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Title: [IC] KAT Arctic (GB live!)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:17:37
Hiya

Visit the group buy page here

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106046.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106046.0)


This is the KAT version of JTK Arctic, which I ran in 2018 and was finished sometime in 2019.

Backstory to why I'm doing KAT. Someone kept bugging me to rerun in SA so.. I decided to do KAT.

(https://i.imgur.com/jZf9tEQ.jpg)

Take a look and provide any insight or suggestions in the IC for me to see.

Colors are not entirely up to par as of yet so take a look at the sub-par photos with a grain of salt.

I did my best to take the photos in different lighting settings
(https://i.imgur.com/kNJX8qo.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ciU09x6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sJmGWrj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Imeorai.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XxitdPq.jpg)

Renders by Manzel:
(https://i.imgur.com/nY4aAWw.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Vm7XMOE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/j5qVGru.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/VotZx4b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Vpb4hqY.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/VPmMwoi.jpg)

Renders by Kingk22
(https://i.imgur.com/qu00OMt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aD6DDwR.jpg)


Kits
Alphas -
More

Arctic Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/cs3QPLL.jpg)

Frostbite Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/qDJwvaH.jpg)

Colevrak+
(https://i.imgur.com/KZ0MS9T.jpg)

French
(https://i.imgur.com/9vzhy4S.jpg)

North
(https://i.imgur.com/kr2izKp.jpg)


Modifiers -
More

Arctic Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/XbsHccj.jpg)

Arctic Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/QrzHcYg.jpg)

Snowman Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/o7dO78s.jpg)

Snowman Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/FdFUuon.jpg)

Otter Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/MjIxfdy.jpg)

Otter Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/sUb7jav.jpg)

Frosted Otter Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/o6PmK2r.jpg)

Frosted Otter Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/bZu1aaD.jpg)

Ergo Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/n2judmj.jpg)

Numpads -
More

Arctic Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/rqWD3Qi.jpg)

Arctic Icon Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/YtjcK7y.jpg)

Snowball Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/USrJtcH.jpg)

Snowball Icon Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/tLtRvp5.jpg)

Ice Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/gqrhcQV.jpg)

Spacebars -
More

Spacebar Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/vOPS2F1.jpg)

Blue Split Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/j20xjIZ.jpg)


Beluga (Novelty Kit)
(https://i.imgur.com/jZgavKv.jpg)


Removed Kits

Alt F-Row
Arrow Kit
Frostbite Colevrak+
South
Gray Split


Deskmat
(https://i.imgur.com/OaNVJrN.jpg)

Pricing
(https://i.imgur.com/KXMg9B3.png)

Vendors:
NA: Novelkeys
ASIA: ZFrontier
EU: Mykeyboard.eu
AU/SEA: DailyClack

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Updates:
02/10:
- Start IC

03/10:
- Corrected International Kits
- Added Icon Mods / Menu Key

03/15
- Added Novelties and Text Novelties

03/16
- Finalized Novelty kit
- Added deskmat
- Added Alternate F-Row kit

03/30
- Added Snowman Otter Kit
- Changed 40s/Ortho to 'Otter'
- Added Alternate F-Row
- Added Arrow Kit
- Added accented spacebars
- Updated Colevrak+ Kits
- Updated South Kit
- Added Frostbite 'B' key to Spacebar kit

04/03
- Removed Alt F-Row
- Removed Arrow Kit
- Removed Frostbite Colevrak+
- Removed South
- Removed Gray Split

- Added F1-4 / F 9-12 Frostbite keys to Frostbite Alphas

04/18
- Finalize Pricing

To Do:
- Announce 2 winners for giveaway on discord.
- Start GB



Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:19:36
Just waiting to see the international (norde) kits and Im totally in! jesus! I guess I need this and KAT WoB f my wallet

Edit: Btw, Icon Mods, please :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Rilow on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:21:58
Looks good. Very interested.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Starston3 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:25:59
Backstory to why I'm doing KAT. Someone kept bugging me to rerun in SA so.. I decided to do KAT.
Thanks for the straightforwardness. I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: marky on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:28:44
Very interested.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:30:04
Colevrak?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:32:27
Colevrak?

Will be offered.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:38:27
Can we see blue alphas with white mods in a render?

(Ice blue Sakura wouldn't hurt!)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:42:13
Can we see blue alphas with white mods in a render?

(Ice blue Sakura wouldn't hurt!)

Ill get that up  sometime soon once my GB finishes up for Fuyu
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:56:53
Very interested (an international kit would be awesome).
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Vireca on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:02:26
Maybe split 40s and ortho kits? Biip made it for Milkshake and its a great idea IMO. Just buy what you need
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Shurakai on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:04:55
NE snowman ortho kit avail?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:05:03
Since KAT doesn't have kit MOQs, can you do a small space kit with 6.25 and 7u in blue? Pretty please.

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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:08:58
Colevrak?

Will be offered.

bless you, count me in. I'm currently in 100% of all KAT group buys, and this one won't be an exception
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:10:04
Since KAT doesn't have kit MOQs, can you do a small space kit with 6.25 and 7u in blue? Pretty please.

Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk

Those are included in the space bar kit though?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Popopro on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:20:28
Been excited since I heard this was going to be a thing. Definitely going to join!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:26:54
Since KAT doesn't have kit MOQs, can you do a small space kit with 6.25 and 7u in blue? Pretty please.

Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk

Those are included in the space bar kit though?
Yup, but what I meant since there is no MOQ per kit, you can make a standard space set for people who just want to add another color to the board.

Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: belgium_waffles on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:41:39
nice
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 10 February 2020, 16:44:51
Can we see blue alphas with white mods in a render?

(Ice blue Sakura wouldn't hurt!)

Ill get that up  sometime soon once my GB finishes up for Fuyu
Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: YMwoo on Mon, 10 February 2020, 18:37:21
finally it comes! no novelties this time?
Also, maybe some 1u keys for the inner column for ergo?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 10 February 2020, 22:10:50
finally it comes! no novelties this time?
Also, maybe some 1u keys for the inner column for ergo?

There will be a full kit of novelties
I actually wanted some ideas for novelties
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: aspenc4 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 22:48:39
Well done - the frost bite alphas with the mods look great. You've got me considering a blue set for the first time in recent memory.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 10 February 2020, 23:10:36
NE snowman ortho kit avail?

Yeah I may make an addition for snowman ortho/40
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: j_maizy on Mon, 10 February 2020, 23:13:55
finally it comes! no novelties this time?
Also, maybe some 1u keys for the inner column for ergo?

There will be a full kit of novelties
I actually wanted some ideas for novelties

I liked the snowflakes and penguin from JTK. Any chance there will be a RAMA, Salvun, or similar novelty?


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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: sourmk on Tue, 11 February 2020, 00:42:38
Any chance you might be thinking about some blank alphas and mods?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: YMwoo on Tue, 11 February 2020, 00:52:56
NE snowman ortho kit avail?

Yeah I may make an addition for snowman ortho/40

depend on the render of blue alpha and white mods, might be interested in white ergo too if possible.

as for novelties, the snowflake and the original animals are good enough imo
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 11 February 2020, 01:01:16
it's finally happening

is this or ddolch happening first?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 11 February 2020, 01:51:04
Any chance you might be thinking about some blank alphas and mods?



I was thinking of it, wanted to see how desired it is first

it's finally happening

is this or ddolch happening first?


This will happen first until I can find out how I want to run ddolch if i'm running it at all

finally it comes! no novelties this time?
Also, maybe some 1u keys for the inner column for ergo?

There will be a full kit of novelties
I actually wanted some ideas for novelties

I liked the snowflakes and penguin from JTK. Any chance there will be a RAMA, Salvun, or similar novelty?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

There will be more designs including the original ones. No plans for any artisan novelties
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: vaf1en on Tue, 11 February 2020, 02:18:38
I am in for white alphas and mods.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: terrad on Tue, 11 February 2020, 02:50:17
Any possibility for blue mods?

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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: VXQN on Tue, 11 February 2020, 04:34:07
This looks amazing! I would like to see icon'ed arrow keys though.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 11 February 2020, 04:59:56
This looks amazing! I would like to see icon'ed arrow keys though.

There will be icon mods, but I will also be adding icon arrows to the text mods
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: hound on Tue, 11 February 2020, 05:59:03
Like it, but no Novelty Kit ?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 11 February 2020, 06:21:36
the first good colorway in KAT! sick! I'm definitely in :D hmm I like text only mods but I also like the GMK style where control, alt, delete, esc are text and only some things are icons, will that be offered or is the icons kit icons only? I'll take white alphas with colevrak-addon and grey text (maybe icons) mods :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 11 February 2020, 07:08:42
the first good colorway in KAT! sick! I'm definitely in :D hmm I like text only mods but I also like the GMK style where control, alt, delete, esc are text and only some things are icons, will that be offered or is the icons kit icons only? I'll take white alphas with colevrak-addon and grey text (maybe icons) mods :)

Its Text or Icon only. I want to keep things simple for right now

Like it, but no Novelty Kit ?

I'll have those added soon enough
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 11 February 2020, 09:01:55
alright!

is the white color the same as KAT Alpha by the way?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: dmatx1 on Tue, 11 February 2020, 09:04:04
Its Text or Icon only. I want to keep things simple for right now

Great colors, and please keep the text mods.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 11 February 2020, 09:07:48
Its Text or Icon only. I want to keep things simple for right now

Great colors, and please keep the text mods.

Both will be offered
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Shurakai on Tue, 11 February 2020, 13:58:49
NE snowman ortho kit avail?

Yeah I may make an addition for snowman ortho/40

That would be awesome. I love dark alpha/light mods.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: eas on Tue, 11 February 2020, 14:40:53
Will 40s and Ortho be separated?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 11 February 2020, 14:57:53
Will 40s and Ortho be separated?

It's under consideration
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: d00deitsnik on Tue, 11 February 2020, 16:18:24
Can I request split spacebars in other colors? 
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: lookid on Wed, 12 February 2020, 03:37:58
I really like color scheme especially with dark alphas and mods.
Prob, it will be my 1irst KAT set.
I'm in.

And I would like to see same novelties as in original jtk arctic set, they're cute :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: SilverJS on Wed, 12 February 2020, 21:40:32
Agreed on novelties.

I'm assuming the arrow keys will have to be text?  Symbols look nicer in my opinion, but certainly not a requirement.  But more importantly, could we have the arrows keys the blue accent color as per the original set?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: alphabirth on Thu, 13 February 2020, 15:43:54
KAT is dye-sub right?  My dream with an arctic set was always to get Inuktitut sublegends:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/KB_Inuktitut-Naqittaut.svg/1600px-KB_Inuktitut-Naqittaut.svg.png)

If you could make that happen, I'm 100% in!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: MeloDet on Thu, 13 February 2020, 16:23:47
Don't know if I would go for all of those sublegends, but some of them like the alphas at least would be doped.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: alphabirth on Thu, 13 February 2020, 16:49:54
Yeah, pretty much just the alphas was what I was thinking--maybe the green sublegends from the number row, but not the extra symbols.  That is too much for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 14 February 2020, 10:02:31
Same novelties will be included as well as a few more

I am including icon arrows in the text mods as well as text arrows
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 14 February 2020, 15:33:18
KAT is dye-sub right?  My dream with an arctic set was always to get Inuktitut sublegends:
Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/KB_Inuktitut-Naqittaut.svg/1600px-KB_Inuktitut-Naqittaut.svg.png)


If you could make that happen, I'm 100% in!

This national layout, and the Iberoamerican layout, should be perfect testbeds for the capabilities (and results) of KAT keycaps with multiple cornered legends (as opposed to one or two centered).
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 14 February 2020, 21:27:55
I don't plan to have any sub legends. I did that with Fuyu already so I'm quite done for it for now.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: YMwoo on Sat, 15 February 2020, 03:36:09
I don't plan to have any sub legends. I did that with Fuyu already so I'm quite done for it for now.

any plan for alpha in other language then?
my personal ideal set would be mono korean frostbite + ergo snowman
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: QQuanQuan on Sat, 15 February 2020, 04:20:33
Brilliant!
Huge support from Chinese players.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: konstanz_ on Sat, 15 February 2020, 07:59:06
nice but would be nicer if you did DSA!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 15 February 2020, 09:35:56
No plans to do anything besides Latin and KAT.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: 0Name on Thu, 20 February 2020, 04:10:33
Someone kept bugging me to rerun in SA so.. I decided to do KAT.
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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: wyrm on Fri, 21 February 2020, 20:46:48
Count me extremely interested, especially if we get beautiful modifiers like arrows for shift and caps. None of the other KAT boards I've seen have had these modifiers =[
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 21 February 2020, 21:35:22
I got the samples in today, will take some photos once I can get some good day light.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 21 February 2020, 21:35:55
I got the samples in today, will take some photos once I can get some good day light.
Awesome. Can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 24 February 2020, 11:20:35
I got the samples in today, will take some photos once I can get some good day light.
Nice! Looking forward ;D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: deLEES on Tue, 25 February 2020, 05:36:08
Can't wait to see novelties and the icon mods. The colours are great and KAT profile is great so good to go :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 26 February 2020, 08:11:38
Lighting is pretty ****, I usually wake up late, and weather hasn't been getting any better but here are some photos before my camera died on me.

It's incredibly much darker in photos than it is in person. The white should be much brighter as well the gray.

(https://i.imgur.com/kNJX8qo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ciU09x6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sJmGWrj.jpg)

**** photo

(https://i.imgur.com/Sz5bcgk.jpg)

Also, more kits.

(https://i.imgur.com/arG5Cqt.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/08bvbeG.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xSx8ARU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hBjmpYH.png)

Would also like to thank Eskimojo for the help with the kits. Much much appreciated <3
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Wed, 26 February 2020, 09:17:45
The samples look great!! I'm 100% joining this one for a lot of keys! I'd prefer mykeyboard.eu as the EU vendor :]

Hmm for the Colevrak kit, can I request an ASDF row closing bracket key (])? It's for shifting the right side of the alphas one key to the right, and the brackets to the middle. (http://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html) I'd get the set either way but I'd prefer having the option to do this!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Joaquox on Wed, 26 February 2020, 09:20:12
Snowman ortho icon mods and I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 26 February 2020, 14:58:01
The samples look great!! I'm 100% joining this one for a lot of keys! I'd prefer mykeyboard.eu as the EU vendor :]

Hmm for the Colevrak kit, can I request an ASDF row closing bracket key (])? It's for shifting the right side of the alphas one key to the right, and the brackets to the middle. (http://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html) I'd get the set either way but I'd prefer having the option to do this!

Just some background.  The R3 "]}" is for Wide mod, and is included in the Colevrak+ kits for these KAT sets:  Atlantis, Explosion, Goddess, Lich, Lucky Jade, Mumei, and Oasis.

Wide mod works for QWERTY and all Colevrak+ supported layouts with the exception of Dvorak:

(https://i.imgur.com/9vME99j.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 26 February 2020, 15:01:38
Lighting is pretty ****, I usually wake up late, and weather hasn't been getting any better but here are some photos before my camera died on me.

It's incredibly much darker in photos than it is in person. The white should be much brighter as well the gray.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/kNJX8qo.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ciU09x6.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sJmGWrj.jpg)


**** photo

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Sz5bcgk.jpg)

That's hot ;)

Would also like to thank Eskimojo for the help with the kits. Much much appreciated <3
<3
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 26 February 2020, 15:06:29
FYI: the BRESLAPTIT kit contains the dreaded middot error: the 3. key should be 3 instead.  :thumb:


ALSO: each time I see this set I warm up to its colors a bit more.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Rilow on Thu, 27 February 2020, 07:41:05
Would it be possible to get split spacebars in blue in the spacebar kit?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: ViciousVerbivore on Thu, 27 February 2020, 20:25:36
Any chance that colevrak kit will also be available in a White on Blue version like the regular alphas?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 28 February 2020, 01:02:38
The samples look great!! I'm 100% joining this one for a lot of keys! I'd prefer mykeyboard.eu as the EU vendor :]

Hmm for the Colevrak kit, can I request an ASDF row closing bracket key (])? It's for shifting the right side of the alphas one key to the right, and the brackets to the middle. (http://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html) I'd get the set either way but I'd prefer having the option to do this!

FYI: the BRESLAPTIT kit contains the dreaded middot error: the 3. key should be 3 instead.  :thumb:


ALSO: each time I see this set I warm up to its colors a bit more.

The samples look great!! I'm 100% joining this one for a lot of keys! I'd prefer mykeyboard.eu as the EU vendor :]

Hmm for the Colevrak kit, can I request an ASDF row closing bracket key (])? It's for shifting the right side of the alphas one key to the right, and the brackets to the middle. (http://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html) I'd get the set either way but I'd prefer having the option to do this!

Just some background.  The R3 "]}" is for Wide mod, and is included in the Colevrak+ kits for these KAT sets:  Atlantis, Explosion, Goddess, Lich, Lucky Jade, Mumei, and Oasis.

Wide mod works for QWERTY and all Colevrak+ supported layouts with the exception of Dvorak:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9vME99j.png)


I'm a conus boy so please help out here.

Check these out now

(https://i.imgur.com/LJyaaIo.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ij7mV7H.png)
The 3 will be much better in the actual kit renders.

Also if anyone can spot any issues with any of the kits, please point them out.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 28 February 2020, 02:15:53
I'm a conus boy so please help out here.

Check these out now

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/I6CkUGS.png)


Also if anyone can spot any issues with any of the kits, please point them out.
Ah, thanks for adding the closing bracket ] key but it's one row too high, it needs to be in what's labelled as R2. The one you added is actually included in regular alphas haha
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 28 February 2020, 02:37:31
I'm a conus boy so please help out here.

Check these out now

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/I6CkUGS.png)


Also if anyone can spot any issues with any of the kits, please point them out.
Ah, thanks for adding the closing bracket ] key but it's one row too high, it needs to be in what's labelled as R2. The one you added is actually included in regular alphas haha

Ah, I'll fix it
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 28 February 2020, 02:47:22
I'm a conus boy so please help out here.

Check these out now

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/I6CkUGS.png)


Also if anyone can spot any issues with any of the kits, please point them out.
Ah, thanks for adding the closing bracket ] key but it's one row too high, it needs to be in what's labelled as R2. The one you added is actually included in regular alphas haha

I take full responsibility for the confusion.  I forgot that the KAT name for the homing row is R2.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 28 February 2020, 03:14:40
Ah, I'll fix it
Perfect, thanks a lot!

I don't have a great idea that is strictly better than the way the kits are set up right now, but it feels like you could change something about how the spacebars are sold. One observation is that the white 6.25u spacebar is included in almost every mod kit (except ergo blanks), so maybe the 6.25u spacebars could be moved to the alpha kits instead, this way users of blue alphas could get a blue spacebar without buying the extra spacebar kit as well, at least in the 6.25u size.

I think my favourite setup would be:
The white alpha kit contains 6.25u and 7u white spacebars,
the blue alpha kit the same in blue,
the grey mod kits gain 6.25u and 7u (or just 6.25u for 40s mods) spacebars in _grey_ (currently white),
the white mod kit loses its spacebars.

Then, instead of selling extra spacebar kits for blue and grey, those would instead be for blue and white.

What do you think?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: VXQN on Fri, 28 February 2020, 04:43:01
The samples look so good! I was about to purchase KAT Lucky Jade as my first KAT Kit, but maybe I'll hold off on that...
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 28 February 2020, 06:41:52
I'm a conus boy so please help out here.


I'll take a full look at the South kit on Saturday.

For now, notice that the legend is weirdly smaller than the rest of the alphas.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 28 February 2020, 06:42:57
I'm a conus boy so please help out here.

Check these out now

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/I6CkUGS.png)


Also if anyone can spot any issues with any of the kits, please point them out.
Ah, thanks for adding the closing bracket ] key but it's one row too high, it needs to be in what's labelled as R2. The one you added is actually included in regular alphas haha

I take full responsibility for the confusion.  I forgot that the KAT name for the homing row is R2.


This is why I've been suggesting for some time now that row names for the KAT profile ought to be K1..Kn instead of R1..Rn (ok, Rn..R1).
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 28 February 2020, 07:28:42
Ah, I'll fix it
Perfect, thanks a lot!

I don't have a great idea that is strictly better than the way the kits are set up right now, but it feels like you could change something about how the spacebars are sold. One observation is that the white 6.25u spacebar is included in almost every mod kit (except ergo blanks), so maybe the 6.25u spacebars could be moved to the alpha kits instead, this way users of blue alphas could get a blue spacebar without buying the extra spacebar kit as well, at least in the 6.25u size.

I think my favourite setup would be:
The white alpha kit contains 6.25u and 7u white spacebars,
the blue alpha kit the same in blue,
the grey mod kits gain 6.25u and 7u (or just 6.25u for 40s mods) spacebars in _grey_ (currently white),
the white mod kit loses its spacebars.

Then, instead of selling extra spacebar kits for blue and grey, those would instead be for blue and white.

What do you think?

I'm a conus boy so please help out here.


I'll take a full look at the South kit on Saturday.

For now, notice that the legend is weirdly smaller than the rest of the alphas.

I wouldn't look at my KLE kits as a 1:1 with how the keys will actually come out since I'm not the best at using KLE for kits, I try to avoid it usually but theres so many options with KAT.

As much as I would like to add more space bar options, there's just too many combinations I added in to add specific keys to specific kits. I wanted to generally make everything work with each other instead of each kit being the "best" that it can be. I generally don't want to make important kits more expensive than it should be either.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 28 February 2020, 08:45:02
Here are some other shots.

(https://i.imgur.com/5egkIJR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UHChqgm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9XFu16v.jpg)

I can't photograph the gray as well as I should be able to, but this gives some sort of idea
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 28 February 2020, 09:02:14
I love these colours! My most anticipated set. Can't wait to have this aaaah
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Reiep on Fri, 28 February 2020, 09:41:57
French support, I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: 2obi on Fri, 28 February 2020, 09:58:23
Yup im buying this.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 28 February 2020, 22:58:20
I take full responsibility for the confusion.  I forgot that the KAT name for the homing row is R2.
This is why I've been suggesting for some time now that row names for the KAT profile ought to be K1..Kn instead of R1..Rn (ok, Rn..R1).

I agree K# would help clarify things.  But while R# may seem like the default standard, according to Deskthority (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Keyboard_profile#Numbering) the ISO standard labels rows alphabetically:

(https://i.imgur.com/xsvQ49U.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sat, 29 February 2020, 11:16:50
I love the fact that you have samples in an IC, i'm in on this for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 29 February 2020, 14:03:08
As promised, I went through the international kits, and these are the problems I've found:

Colevrak: no issues.

North: no issues with the alphas.

South:
R4: 3 has its legends misplaced (but you surely know that).
R3: three keys are missing: 2" 3 .
R3: [{ is missing.
R2: no missing keys; however, and have different sizes from each other and from the letters in the base alpha kits.

EDIT: I'm stupid.

French:
R4: The key has its sign misplaced (contrast it with the key, which gets it right).

All three: no AltGr keys?

French and Italian keys: the accented letters are shown in uppercase, although the standards put them in lowercase. This, however, can be waved off as a design choice (and, as things go, I like it better this way, although this DOES require using a smaller font size).

HTH!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Sat, 29 February 2020, 17:40:02
Aah I don't think you can call upper case , , a style choice for the french set, these keys actually can't produce the upper case symbols, only the lower case ones, so I think labelling them as lower case makes more sense.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 29 February 2020, 21:05:15
As promised, I went through the international kits, and these are the problems I've found:

Colevrak: no issues.

North: no issues with the alphas.

South:
R4: 3 has its legends misplaced (but you surely know that).
R4: three keys are missing: 2" 3 .
R3: [{ is missing.
R2: no missing keys; however, and have different sizes from each other and from the letters in the base alpha kits.

French:
R4: The key has its sign misplaced (contrast it with the key, which gets it right).

All three: no AltGr keys?

French and Italian keys: the accented letters are shown in uppercase, although the standards put them in lowercase. This, however, can be waved off as a design choice (and, as things go, I like it better this way, although this DOES require using a smaller font size).

HTH!

(https://i.imgur.com/5UEHOc5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/BYPu4Xf.png)

As for the uppercase and lowercase scenario, it's going to stay as is to keep the legends uniform to each other in the alpha kit.

and is AltGr actually preferred for people?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Kokaloo on Sat, 29 February 2020, 21:39:30
Oh this is sweet! I so love seeing samples before this goes live. Great job, will totally be in as I missed the JTK version right as I was coming into the hobby. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 01 March 2020, 05:43:35
As for the uppercase and lowercase scenario, it's going to stay as is to keep the legends uniform to each other in the alpha kit.

and is AltGr actually preferred for people?
Maybe rethink this, it's not as consistent as you think. Again, the key on a french keyboard never prints , with shift it prints 9 instead. And you're not using capital Mu, which is M, but μ, and you're not using ẞ, but , so making an exception by using the capital letters on the french accented keys actually introduces more inconsistency.

Personally, I'd always use AltGr if given the opportunity, and I'd actually welcome it if one of the 2 Alts in the base mods was replaced with AltGr, since I use AltGr but not other language-specific keys (like the Dutch also do, for example).
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: eskimojo on Sun, 01 March 2020, 05:50:02
Maybe rethink this, it's not as consistent as you think. Again, the key on a french keyboard never prints , with shift it prints 9 instead. And you're not using capital Mu, which is M, but μ, and you're not using ẞ, but , so making an exception by using the capital letters on the french accented keys actually introduces more inconsistency.
μ is actually and therefore shouldn't have been placed in uppercase. I'll explain:

μ (U+03BC) is the Greek lowercase letter mu (from which the Latin letter m was derived).
(U+00B5) is the "micro" (10^-6) symbol (which is DERIVED from the letter mu, of course).

French keyboards (and German keyboards, too) have the micro symbol, not the mu letter.


And yes, in some fonts, both characters look the same... others take care to make them a bit different, so you can tell which is which.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 01 March 2020, 05:53:07
Oops, I stand corrected on this one!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 01 March 2020, 05:59:46

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5UEHOc5.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BYPu4Xf.png)


See my "EDIT: I'm stupid." edit in my previous post. Sorry.


As for the uppercase and lowercase scenario, it's going to stay as is to keep the legends uniform to each other in the alpha kit.

and is AltGr actually preferred for people?

AltGr is required for... pretty much all non-English(USA) national layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:01:38
Aah I don't think you can call upper case , , a style choice for the french set, these keys actually can't produce the upper case symbols, only the lower case ones, so I think labelling them as lower case makes more sense.

You're right. The real problem with the French and Italian national layouts is, of course, the bad functional design choice of mixing letters with other signs.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: eskimojo on Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:08:58
Aah I don't think you can call upper case , , a style choice for the french set, these keys actually can't produce the upper case symbols, only the lower case ones, so I think labelling them as lower case makes more sense.

You're right. The real problem with the French and Italian national layouts is, of course, the bad functional design choice of mixing letters with other signs.
just make the entire set lowercase, ez  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Varbil on Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:11:03
when will this gb start? can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:23:46
Eh
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 01 March 2020, 08:47:52
Aah I don't think you can call upper case , , a style choice for the french set, these keys actually can't produce the upper case symbols, only the lower case ones, so I think labelling them as lower case makes more sense.

You're right. The real problem with the French and Italian national layouts is, of course, the bad functional design choice of mixing letters with other signs.
just make the entire set lowercase, ez  :cool:

So the ARCTIC would become arctic?

Damn climate change...
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: vaf1en on Tue, 03 March 2020, 04:51:39
Everyone seems stoked about this.
So the GB will kickoff soon ish? ;D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 03 March 2020, 22:57:18
Everyone seems stoked about this.
So the GB will kickoff soon ish? ;D


Yes, its right under our noses, across the horizon on the closest month coming up starting with M
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Top Right Logo on Wed, 04 March 2020, 01:54:28
Mapril can't come soon enough!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Wed, 04 March 2020, 12:27:39
Mapril can't come soon enough!

Let's get through smarch weather first, please.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: -Durzo on Fri, 06 March 2020, 09:49:18
i really want this! im in for sure
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 08 March 2020, 16:50:56
(https://i.imgur.com/Vm7XMOE.jpg)

These will be the only kits with icon mods.

(https://i.imgur.com/AnXhZW7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/D0bS6vT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3hnRHQd.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/GWdIPdT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tNhAhQV.png)

Huge thanks to OneCreativeMind for lending me the files for the icons.

Ill have the novelties posted sometime soon
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Popopro on Sun, 08 March 2020, 18:19:50
this just gets better and better
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Joaquox on Mon, 09 March 2020, 04:52:44

These will be the only kits with icon mods.

So ne ortho snowman icon avail?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: tiamo123654 on Mon, 09 March 2020, 09:14:43
No Novelty Kit?

the animals and snowflake are the heart and soul of this set.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: valkyr1e on Mon, 09 March 2020, 11:14:33
Will there be a light version of the 40's kit? I only see the dark version.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 09 March 2020, 13:29:04
No Novelty Kit?

the animals and snowflake are the heart and soul of this set.




Ill have the novelties posted sometime soon
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 09 March 2020, 16:19:00
The Code keys in the modifiers kit seem redundant. Remove them and maybe move the 6u spacebar to that kit? I think that would be a more useful use of space.

As for the icon mods, I'd suggest using an upwards-facing barred arrow () for the Caps legend. A downwards-facing one doesn't make sense to me. The Caps icon is usually a variation of the Shift icon: is one such variation, and is another. However, that makes the upside-down barred (there's no Unicode symbol for it) a double variation, which at that point is too far removed from the icon imo.

I don't like the icon you chose to represent Function. It looks more like the standard Page Up symbol, . How about using a symbol like instead, representing layers? You see this in sets like GMK MoDo and others.

I think the Delete icon may look better as , so it matches the Backspace. The Insert icon may look better as or, if you want to avoid lettering altogether, .

Also, I think you may have swapped these legends around?
(https://i.imgur.com/5Acw1ZV.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 09 March 2020, 17:01:17
I think the Delete icon may look better as , so it matches the Backspace.

Meanwhile, I think the Backspace icon may look better as , so it matches the Delete.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 09 March 2020, 22:51:28
The Code keys in the modifiers kit seem redundant. Remove them and maybe move the 6u spacebar to that kit? I think that would be a more useful use of space.

As for the icon mods, I'd suggest using an upwards-facing barred arrow () for the Caps legend. A downwards-facing one doesn't make sense to me. The Caps icon is usually a variation of the Shift icon: is one such variation, and is another. However, that makes the upside-down barred (there's no Unicode symbol for it) a double variation, which at that point is too far removed from the icon imo.

I don't like the icon you chose to represent Function. It looks more like the standard Page Up symbol, . How about using a symbol like instead, representing layers? You see this in sets like GMK MoDo and others.

I think the Delete icon may look better as , so it matches the Backspace. The Insert icon may look better as or, if you want to avoid lettering altogether, an upside-down .

Also, I think you may have swapped these legends around?
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5Acw1ZV.png)


The Code keys was a personal choice of mine and they will be staying. The 6u key is not a common key and will not be added to a kit that will cater to the majority.

On contrary, an upward facing caps lock would not make sense to me and I can guess a lot of people would prefer it this way instead a similar looking shift key with a bar as 'caps'

The function key is up for changing as I wasn't a big fan of it myself.

The two keys are not mixed up, ones a 1u tab and the other is a alternate function key.

The insert/del keys are staying as is to "stay true" to most common icon legends that are already out there.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 09 March 2020, 22:52:50
I think the Delete icon may look better as , so it matches the Backspace.

Meanwhile, I think the Backspace icon may look better as , so it matches the Delete.

Yeah, I'm not gonna have duplicate keys like that going on here. Can you imagine, having split bs ⌫ and a 1u ⌫ on top of each other

Also, please look at the revised international kits on the first page and let me know what you think. I took what you guys across the water said and implemented it into the  kits.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 10 March 2020, 01:13:57
The Code keys was a personal choice of mine and they will be staying. The 6u key is not a common key and will not be added to a kit that will cater to the majority.

The function key is up for changing as I wasn't a big fan of it myself.

Alright, sounds good :+1:

On contrary, an upward facing caps lock would not make sense to me and I can guess a lot of people would prefer it this way instead a similar looking shift key with a bar as 'caps'

I have seen no other set that uses a downward-facing arrow with bar for Caps Lock. This is not a standard nor common icon. Upward-facing arrow with bar, on the other hand, is a standard Caps Lock icon. Not only have we been seeing it in recent GMK sets (8008, 9009, MoDoL), but it's also been present in touch interfaces and phone keyboards for years. In fact, it's the de facto standard Caps Lock icon on phone keyboards as most major phone keyboards (iOS default, Android default, SwiftKey, Gboard) use it.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wkmW2LwdbmY/hqdefault.jpg) (https://i0.wp.com/cybermaohi.com/iT3k/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/android_typing_tips_caps_lock-100538030-medium.jpg) (https://support.swiftkey.com/hc/article_attachments/360000805325/swiftkey-settings-cog.jpg) (https://www.keyboardapps.net/image/cache/catalog/gboard/gboard-capslock-350x450.png)


The two keys are not mixed up, ones a 1u tab and the other is a alternate function key.

I'm not sure I understand how those two keys might be useful. The R2 1u Tab is useful on 40% ortho boards, but this is not a 40s kit; and the R2 1.5u Function I don't think I've ever seen used anywhere. Beyond that, the primary reason why they look mixed up is that the two corresponding keys in the regular text modifiers kit are an extra R2 1.5u Tab and a R2 1u Up.

(https://i.imgur.com/0ddoZLn.png)


The insert/del keys are staying as is to "stay true" to most common icon legends that are already out there.

The current Insert icon is another one that's not common — at least not as a legend for Insert. In fact, the upside-down Shift arrow is a popular Caps Lock icon legend, as I'm sure you know. The most common Insert icon legend would probably be (e.g. GMK Darling) or (e.g. GMK Red Honey), as mentioned earlier. I think looks nicer than the , so maybe consider using that for this set.

(https://i.imgur.com/wMGggxQ.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 10 March 2020, 02:32:37
The Code keys was a personal choice of mine and they will be staying. The 6u key is not a common key and will not be added to a kit that will cater to the majority.

The function key is up for changing as I wasn't a big fan of it myself.

Alright, sounds good :+1:

On contrary, an upward facing caps lock would not make sense to me and I can guess a lot of people would prefer it this way instead a similar looking shift key with a bar as 'caps'

I have seen no other set that uses a downward-facing arrow with bar for Caps Lock. This is not a standard nor common icon. Upward-facing arrow with bar, on the other hand, is a standard Caps Lock icon. Not only have we been seeing it in recent GMK sets (8008, 9009, MoDoL), but it's also been present in touch interfaces and phone keyboards for years. In fact, it's the de facto standard Caps Lock icon on phone keyboards as most major phone keyboards (iOS default, Android default, SwiftKey, Gboard) use it.

Show Image
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wkmW2LwdbmY/hqdefault.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i0.wp.com/cybermaohi.com/iT3k/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/android_typing_tips_caps_lock-100538030-medium.jpg)
Show Image
(https://support.swiftkey.com/hc/article_attachments/360000805325/swiftkey-settings-cog.jpg)
Show Image
(https://www.keyboardapps.net/image/cache/catalog/gboard/gboard-capslock-350x450.png)



The two keys are not mixed up, ones a 1u tab and the other is a alternate function key.

I'm not sure I understand how those two keys might be useful. The R2 1u Tab is useful on 40% ortho boards, but this is not a 40s kit; and the R2 1.5u Function I don't think I've ever seen used anywhere. Beyond that, the primary reason why they look mixed up is that the two corresponding keys in the regular text modifiers kit are an extra R2 1.5u Tab and a R2 1u Up.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0ddoZLn.png)



The insert/del keys are staying as is to "stay true" to most common icon legends that are already out there.

The current Insert icon is another one that's not common at least not as a legend for Insert. In fact, the upside-down Shift arrow is a popular Caps Lock icon legend, as I'm sure you know. The most common Insert icon legend would probably be (e.g. GMK Darling) or (e.g. GMK Red Honey), as mentioned earlier. I think looks nicer than the , so maybe consider using that for this set.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wMGggxQ.png)


I see the issue with the duplicate keys now. Thank you for pointing that out, Ill have the corrected renders up by tomorrow.

As for the Insert/Del situation, I should note that I am utilizing OCMs icons for this set as he has given me grace. I did not create these icons but Im a fan of how they look as they stand but I hate icons for navigational keys, so I could be on the fence of just cutting out the keys as it is.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 10 March 2020, 09:24:51
I think the Delete icon may look better as , so it matches the Backspace.

Meanwhile, I think the Backspace icon may look better as , so it matches the Delete.

Yeah, I'm not gonna have duplicate keys like that going on here. Can you imagine, having split bs ⌫ and a 1u ⌫ on top of each other

Well, in that case it'd be and , so it's cool.



Also, please look at the revised international kits on the first page and let me know what you think. I took what you guys across the water said and implemented it into the  kits.

Looking...

North: no issues.

South:
- R4 (second row): 2" and 3 are already present in base; the second duplicates the already in R4.
- R4: don't forget the correct alignment of 3 and
- R3 has ]{ (closing, opening) but it ought to be [{ (both opening)
- R2: don't forget to correct the size of (both the 'N' in "" and the 'C' in "" should be the same size as the alphas in the base kit).

French: no issues.


ALSO!

Not actually nutty further suggestions:

1) On the dark mods kit, could we have the entire F row in dark color (instead of white F1..F4 and F9..F12 and dark F5..F8)? If going with dark mods and frostbite alphas (including the space bar in it), only eight of the F keys would remain white, and that'd be a bit weird.


2) On the "US ISO" side, the terminal style is gaining acceptance. You could take the R1 <> key off each international kit and have it in both base alphas kits ("alphas" and "frostbite") instead.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 10 March 2020, 12:54:42
I think the Delete icon may look better as , so it matches the Backspace.

Meanwhile, I think the Backspace icon may look better as , so it matches the Delete.

Yeah, I'm not gonna have duplicate keys like that going on here. Can you imagine, having split bs ⌫ and a 1u ⌫ on top of each other

Well, in that case it'd be and , so it's cool.



Also, please look at the revised international kits on the first page and let me know what you think. I took what you guys across the water said and implemented it into the  kits.

Looking...

North: no issues.

South:
- R4 (second row): 2" and 3 are already present in base; the second duplicates the already in R4.
- R4: don't forget the correct alignment of 3 and
- R3 has ]{ (closing, opening) but it ought to be [{ (both opening)
- R2: don't forget to correct the size of (both the 'N' in "" and the 'C' in "" should be the same size as the alphas in the base kit).

French: no issues.


ALSO!

Not actually nutty further suggestions:

1) On the dark mods kit, could we have the entire F row in dark color (instead of white F1..F4 and F9..F12 and dark F5..F8)? If going with dark mods and frostbite alphas (including the space bar in it), only eight of the F keys would remain white, and that'd be a bit weird.


2) On the "US ISO" side, the terminal style is gaining acceptance. You could take the R1 <> key off each international kit and have it in both base alphas kits ("alphas" and "frostbite") instead.

Yeah I misread specific icons you were refering to last night.

As for the F-Row addition, I'll add a separate kit for the missing keys.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 10 March 2020, 15:53:18
I think the Delete icon may look better as , so it matches the Backspace.

Meanwhile, I think the Backspace icon may look better as , so it matches the Delete.

Yeah, I'm not gonna have duplicate keys like that going on here. Can you imagine, having split bs ⌫ and a 1u ⌫ on top of each other

Well, in that case it'd be and , so it's cool.



Also, please look at the revised international kits on the first page and let me know what you think. I took what you guys across the water said and implemented it into the  kits.

Looking...

North: no issues.

South:
- R4 (second row): 2" and 3 are already present in base; the second duplicates the already in R4.
- R4: don't forget the correct alignment of 3 and
- R3 has ]{ (closing, opening) but it ought to be [{ (both opening)
- R2: don't forget to correct the size of (both the 'N' in "" and the 'C' in "" should be the same size as the alphas in the base kit).

French: no issues.


ALSO!

Not actually nutty further suggestions:

1) On the dark mods kit, could we have the entire F row in dark color (instead of white F1..F4 and F9..F12 and dark F5..F8)? If going with dark mods and frostbite alphas (including the space bar in it), only eight of the F keys would remain white, and that'd be a bit weird.


2) On the "US ISO" side, the terminal style is gaining acceptance. You could take the R1 <> key off each international kit and have it in both base alphas kits ("alphas" and "frostbite") instead.



(https://i.imgur.com/vS2vTaz.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: bd_slade on Tue, 10 March 2020, 16:33:00
Thanks for considering all the feedback that you are! Really nice set!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 10 March 2020, 16:53:55
Small suggestion, if you're going to make an extra F-keys kit, could you maybe add F1-F10 keys for keyboards with two F-key columns on the left of the keyboard? I don't have such a keyboard yet but I'd love to get one in the future, so I'd get that kit.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 10 March 2020, 17:09:54
Small suggestion, if you're going to make an extra F-keys kit, could you maybe add F1-F10 keys for keyboards with two F-key columns on the left of the keyboard? I don't have such a keyboard yet but I'd love to get one in the future, so I'd get that kit.

That's actually a good idea. I doubt anyone with one of those bad boys would buy my sets though.

(https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/41/41f7e3fb8476ed0e7c7b1968af2d288278b5d2b1_full.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Tue, 10 March 2020, 17:45:13
Any chance of white alphas+gray legends? If not, understandable, 2 alphas is already a lot for a set
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 15 March 2020, 17:48:08
redacted, nothing to see here folks
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: dmatx1 on Sun, 15 March 2020, 18:11:31
Text novelties :thumb:

What about an alternative F-row kit with -1C, -2C, ... -12C legends?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: rockydbull on Sun, 15 March 2020, 20:46:47
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LVCDkqh.jpg)


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(https://i.imgur.com/5uicwnP.png)


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(https://i.imgur.com/tlL17lh.png)



Oh snap these text novelties are tight.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated novelties)
Post by: gminso on Sun, 15 March 2020, 22:23:25
its pretty funny that someone bugged you to run SA but you run KAT instead  :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated novelties)
Post by: thedavefulton on Mon, 16 March 2020, 12:47:35
This is a bit nit-picky, but the Kelvin temp shouldn't have the degree symbol. And that is about the only thing I remember from 2 semesters of chemistry :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated novelties)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 16 March 2020, 12:56:27
This is a bit nit-picky, but the Kelvin temp shouldn't have the degree symbol. And that is about the only thing I remember from 2 semesters of chemistry :)

Yeah someone told me that lol. Ill be removing it so dont worry
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated novelties)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:30:00
Finalized the novelty kit, it's quite the hefty boi

(https://i.imgur.com/CAiE3ym.jpg)


Alternate F-Row

(https://i.imgur.com/BfY6den.png)

and a infamous adxlk deskmat

(https://i.imgur.com/OaNVJrN.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: valkyr1e on Tue, 17 March 2020, 11:36:45
Will there be a light version of the 40's kit? I only see the dark version.

My request may have been overlooked... Could this addition be possible to this set? Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: YMwoo on Thu, 19 March 2020, 03:00:01
wondering: will you have a render with blue alpha and white mods?
also, if I may have a request: can we get a render of standard kit in 60% (basically just like the first image with JTK Arctic but in KAT profile so we can have direct comparison?)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 10:54:56
Will there be a light version of the 40's kit? I only see the dark version.

My request may have been overlooked... Could this addition be possible to this set? Thanks!

Yeah, Ill add a snowman kit for it. Only in text mods though, these kits are getting out of hamd
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 10:55:37
wondering: will you have a render with blue alpha and white mods?
also, if I may have a request: can we get a render of standard kit in 60% (basically just like the first image with JTK Arctic but in KAT profile so we can have direct comparison?)

When it gets closer to GB Ill have more renders up
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic
Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:25:04
Will there be a light version of the 40's kit? I only see the dark version.

My request may have been overlooked... Could this addition be possible to this set? Thanks!

Yeah, Ill add a snowman kit for it. Only in icon mods though, these kits are getting out of hamd

Lovely!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:29:22
(https://i.imgur.com/RMTqv1m.png)

These are the sales figures for kat eternal. Clearly the ortho crowd wants icon mods, not text.

Please reconsider doing the snowman ortho kit with icon mods instead of text.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: rockydbull on Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:43:39
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RMTqv1m.png)


These are the sales figures for kat eternal. Clearly the ortho crowd wants icon mods, not text.

Please reconsider doing the snowman ortho kit with icon mods instead of text.

Did I miss something? It looks like there is a text ortho and icon ortho kit
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: subluxe on Thu, 19 March 2020, 12:44:32
Oh this is exciting :D Good to see more KAT sets, always wanted to try one cause I've heard good things.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 19 March 2020, 13:08:41
btw the alternative f row kit, as it stands rn, doesn't include alternatives but duplicates.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 13:22:36
Would there be a possibility of white alphas with gray text instead of blue? Would look nice with the gray mods to have a more color neutral kit
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 15:41:08
btw the alternative f row kit, as it stands rn, doesn't include alternatives but duplicates.


Lol oh yeah, Ill have the colors fixed. Big dumb



It's been fixed
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 15:41:40
Would there be a possibility of white alphas with gray text instead of blue? Would look nice with the gray mods to have a more color neutral kit

Look into buying a set of Honeywell
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 19 March 2020, 16:06:01
Would there be a possibility of white alphas with gray text instead of blue? Would look nice with the gray mods to have a more color neutral kit

Look into buying a set of Honeywell
KAT Honeywell is a thing?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 16:06:48
Would there be a possibility of white alphas with gray text instead of blue? Would look nice with the gray mods to have a more color neutral kit

Look into buying a set of Honeywell
KAT Honeywell is a thing?

GMK or SA Honeywell or copycats are a thing
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 18:06:26
Would there be a possibility of white alphas with gray text instead of blue? Would look nice with the gray mods to have a more color neutral kit

Look into buying a set of Honeywell
Yeah wanted pbt preferably and wanted to try kat profile, :/ thought it would be slightly easy to include more sets because of how the MOQ is done, guess i'll go for the light blue legends then
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 19:28:46
Would there be a possibility of white alphas with gray text instead of blue? Would look nice with the gray mods to have a more color neutral kit

Look into buying a set of Honeywell
Yeah wanted pbt preferably and wanted to try kat profile, :/ thought it would be slightly easy to include more sets because of how the MOQ is done, guess i'll go for the light blue legends then

I want to avoid flooding this GB set with so many different kits. Adding the kit you're requesting doesn't quite fit the theme either so it's tough to justify putting it in
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Joaquox on Sun, 22 March 2020, 01:29:25
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RMTqv1m.png)


These are the sales figures for kat eternal. Clearly the ortho crowd wants icon mods, not text.

Please reconsider doing the snowman ortho kit with icon mods instead of text.

Did I miss something? It looks like there is a text ortho and icon ortho kit

Op only wants to do one white ortho kit, I'm arguing it should be icon, not text, since it's more than twice as popular!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: rockydbull on Sun, 22 March 2020, 10:43:03
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RMTqv1m.png)


These are the sales figures for kat eternal. Clearly the ortho crowd wants icon mods, not text.

Please reconsider doing the snowman ortho kit with icon mods instead of text.

Did I miss something? It looks like there is a text ortho and icon ortho kit

Op only wants to do one white ortho kit, I'm arguing it should be icon, not text, since it's more than twice as popular!

Did op say that somewhere? The first post has kit/renders of icon and text.

Edit: I think I might understand now. There are icon and text of the black ortho but not the white? Only text of the white ortho?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Sun, 22 March 2020, 12:48:07
Would there be a possibility of white alphas with gray text instead of blue? Would look nice with the gray mods to have a more color neutral kit

Look into buying a set of Honeywell
Yeah wanted pbt preferably and wanted to try kat profile, :/ thought it would be slightly easy to include more sets because of how the MOQ is done, guess i'll go for the light blue legends then
yea fair
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 22 March 2020, 12:54:36
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RMTqv1m.png)


These are the sales figures for kat eternal. Clearly the ortho crowd wants icon mods, not text.

Please reconsider doing the snowman ortho kit with icon mods instead of text.

Did I miss something? It looks like there is a text ortho and icon ortho kit

Op only wants to do one white ortho kit, I'm arguing it should be icon, not text, since it's more than twice as popular!

Did op say that somewhere? The first post has kit/renders of icon and text.

Edit: I think I might understand now. There are icon and text of the black ortho but not the white? Only text of the white ortho?
Yeah I was confused as well at first but OP did say a Snowman 40s kit would only be with text mods, check reply #129.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 23 March 2020, 05:47:42
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RMTqv1m.png)


These are the sales figures for kat eternal. Clearly the ortho crowd wants icon mods, not text.

Please reconsider doing the snowman ortho kit with icon mods instead of text.

Did I miss something? It looks like there is a text ortho and icon ortho kit

Op only wants to do one white ortho kit, I'm arguing it should be icon, not text, since it's more than twice as popular!

Did op say that somewhere? The first post has kit/renders of icon and text.

Edit: I think I might understand now. There are icon and text of the black ortho but not the white? Only text of the white ortho?
Yeah I was confused as well at first but OP did say a Snowman 40s kit would only be with text mods, check reply #129.

Correct
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Joaquox on Tue, 24 March 2020, 01:22:17
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RMTqv1m.png)


These are the sales figures for kat eternal. Clearly the ortho crowd wants icon mods, not text.

Please reconsider doing the snowman ortho kit with icon mods instead of text.

Did I miss something? It looks like there is a text ortho and icon ortho kit

Op only wants to do one white ortho kit, I'm arguing it should be icon, not text, since it's more than twice as popular!

Did op say that somewhere? The first post has kit/renders of icon and text.

Edit: I think I might understand now. There are icon and text of the black ortho but not the white? Only text of the white ortho?
Yeah I was confused as well at first but OP did say a Snowman 40s kit would only be with text mods, check reply #129.

Correct

So why are you adamant on running it with text, even though icons are clearly at least twice as popular and arguably more beautiful?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 24 March 2020, 04:28:53
I hate this x is better than y debate.

Ill just add both text and icon 40s/Ortho for snowman.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Joaquox on Wed, 25 March 2020, 03:12:07
I hate this x is better than y debate.

Ill just add both text and icon 40s/Ortho for snowman.

(https://cdn140.picsart.com/292667251028211.png?type=webp&to=min&r=240)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 30 March 2020, 00:06:35
I'm finalizing kits so I wanted to get this out there before I get a real professional to render these.



Someone tell me how to minimize the images please, sorry for the spam of images.


Also it would be great reference if you could fill out this poll.

https://forms.gle/ebmtFAn8dQUKWY9d9 (https://forms.gle/ebmtFAn8dQUKWY9d9)



Alpha Kits

More
(https://i.imgur.com/w8i6MNQ.png)


Colevrak+
(https://i.imgur.com/Kn23on9.png)

Frostbite Colevrak+
(https://i.imgur.com/QXB4zro.png)

South
(https://i.imgur.com/aEMBpce.png)

North
(https://i.imgur.com/5kjj3xh.png)

French
(https://i.imgur.com/lW2sy8O.png)

Alternate F-Row
(https://i.imgur.com/8tiWNd2.png)

Arrow Kit (If you don't like text directional keys)
(https://i.imgur.com/9uEs32s.png)

Arctic Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/mFFs4EW.png)

Arctic Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/aLB4S3S.jpg)

Snowman Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/YhgQbEw.png)

Snowman Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/ZqmEuQw.jpg)

Otter Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/qiSxBwv.png)

Otter Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/Y2bJSpR.jpg)

Frosted Otter Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/jMQPulG.png)

Frosted Otter Icon Modifiers

Ergo Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/a8PPvGs.png)

Spacebar Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/zy7C0F6.png)

Blue Split Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/4uzVxdZ.png)

Gray Split Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/57kIqB3.png)

Numpads
(https://i.imgur.com/NIeseu8.png)

Icon Numpads
(https://i.imgur.com/Mqb9rKV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Uoy23Xm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GFpJFIb.jpg)

Beluga Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/9UTV8I5.jpg)


Your keyboard can look the same as my cat

(https://i.imgur.com/0P3GlaT.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Top Right Logo on Mon, 30 March 2020, 02:36:31
What kit does the kat come with? So cute!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 30 March 2020, 05:04:26
Love your KAT! And I love these kits! Thanks for the extra arrow key kit. At this point, the only thing I wish for is a second 1.75u shift in the big modifier kit so that I can use one kit for two keyboards. I know that I could technically use the 2.75u key on a 60%, but I'd love to use one modifier kit for both a 65% and a 95% and it's easily possible except that I would need another 1.75u shift. Adding this would make it perfect for me personally :)

Haven't voted on ther strawpoll yet, I'm getting alphas, colevrak, text mods, text numpad, grey 6u spacebar and probably icon arrows, but not sure yet about the alt f row and a second set of alphas with colevrak.

/edit: oh you can only vote for one thing at a time in the strawpoll. can you change that or is it supposed to work like that?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 30 March 2020, 05:12:07
Love your KAT! And I love these kits! Thanks for the extra arrow key kit. At this point, the only thing I wish for is a second 1.75u shift in the big modifier kit so that I can use one kit for two keyboards. I know that I could technically use the 2.75u key on a 60%, but I'd love to use one modifier kit for both a 65% and a 95% and it's easily possible except that I would need another 1.75u shift. Adding this would make it perfect for me personally :)

Haven't voted on ther strawpoll yet, I'm getting alphas, colevrak, text mods, text numpad, grey 6u spacebar and probably icon arrows, but not sure yet about the alt f row and a second set of alphas with colevrak.

/edit: oh you can only vote for one thing at a time in the strawpoll. can you change that or is it supposed to work like that?

I'll redo the strawpoll into a gform here in just a moment, fresh in about 5 minutes.

Also the gray split kit is only the split space bars and 6u. You will still need to buy the space bar kit if you need the 6.25/7U
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 30 March 2020, 05:24:22
Yeah I need a 6u spacebar and getting it in grey is probably cheaper (due to the smaller kit), and I think I'd prefer it over white looks-wise for that specific keyboard anyway. Is the 6u spacebar with centered or off-center stem?

What do you think about a second 1.75u shift?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 30 March 2020, 05:28:52
Yeah I need a 6u spacebar and getting it in grey is probably cheaper (due to the smaller kit), and I think I'd prefer it over white looks-wise for that specific keyboard anyway. Is the 6u spacebar with centered or off-center stem?

What do you think about a second 1.75u shift?

It should support off-centered

Also I will not be adding a second 1.75u shift, it just seems redundant and I'm still trying to keep the kits to a minimal even though my kit count says otherwise.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 30 March 2020, 06:14:17
I know some people have been waiting for this for a while, I forgot about it til today.

(https://i.imgur.com/1TzpZtv.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: dmatx1 on Mon, 30 March 2020, 06:20:55
I'll redo the strawpoll into a gform here in just a moment, fresh in about 5 minutes.

You forgot to include the Beluga kit :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 30 March 2020, 06:29:51
I'll redo the strawpoll into a gform here in just a moment, fresh in about 5 minutes.

You forgot to include the Beluga kit :)

Thanks, it's been added to the OP and the G Form
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: YMwoo on Mon, 30 March 2020, 07:23:42
I know some people have been waiting for this for a while, I forgot about it til today.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1TzpZtv.jpg)


this looks so nice!
just wondering, any possibility of adding black accent key on snowman modifier.
also somehow getting blue spacebar on snowman/modifier or frostbite alpha?

Edit: also 1u for inner column for ergo kits?
For Sol2 compatibility
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 30 March 2020, 12:32:41
I know some people have been waiting for this for a while, I forgot about it til today.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1TzpZtv.jpg)


this looks so nice!
just wondering, any possibility of adding black accent key on snowman modifier.
also somehow getting blue spacebar on snowman/modifier or frostbite alpha?

Edit: also 1u for inner column for ergo kits?
For Sol2 compatibility

That's a no for the gray accent key, it's just a very unpopular accent that I don't like for the snowman kit.
And you say 1u, are you referring to a whole column?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (added and finalizing kits before GB)
Post by: Sidewinter on Mon, 30 March 2020, 13:04:13
Made an account on geekhack just to say that I love this kit, awesome job !
Also, I already completed the gform but please keep the French kit and the BE support, it's so rare to have.  :)

Will buy anyway if this goes live with the French kit, but do you have a price estimation for these kits ? Thx !
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: break on Mon, 30 March 2020, 14:11:31
I know some people have been waiting for this for a while, I forgot about it til today.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1TzpZtv.jpg)


Good lord this is nice.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (added and finalizing kits before GB)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 30 March 2020, 21:19:24
Manzel pointed something out to me.

We're missing the B Frostbite key in the space bar kit.

(https://i.imgur.com/7ZY5E7I.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (added and finalizing kits before GB)
Post by: o3okevin on Mon, 30 March 2020, 23:12:48
Chances of a Canadian proxy please?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: YMwoo on Tue, 31 March 2020, 02:21:16
That's a no for the gray accent key, it's just a very unpopular accent that I don't like for the snowman kit.
And you say 1u, are you referring to a whole column?
for the inner column only.
this is the official supported layout:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0008/8827/5005/files/chrome_2019-06-04_15-38-12.png?v=1559682316)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 31 March 2020, 04:49:12
That's a no for the gray accent key, it's just a very unpopular accent that I don't like for the snowman kit.
And you say 1u, are you referring to a whole column?
for the inner column only.
this is the official supported layout:
Show Image
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0008/8827/5005/files/chrome_2019-06-04_15-38-12.png?v=1559682316)


I'm going to be upfront and say that I'm not keen on adding any more keys to any of the kits. There are quite a lot and I would rather avoid adding keys to support a certain keyboard/layout.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: YMwoo on Tue, 31 March 2020, 04:58:23
I'm going to be upfront and say that I'm not keen on adding any more keys to any of the kits. There are quite a lot and I would rather avoid adding keys to support a certain keyboard/layout.
understood :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 31 March 2020, 05:09:30
I'm going to be upfront and say that I'm not keen on adding any more keys to any of the kits. There are quite a lot and I would rather avoid adding keys to support a certain keyboard/layout.
understood :thumb:

On a second thought, is it just two keys that needs to be added? to the bottom row?

There should be enough keys in the ergo kit to support that
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (added and finalizing kits before GB)
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 31 March 2020, 05:18:32
(https://i.imgur.com/JUjVSNp.png)

Using for the Fn icon instead of (which looks bad imo) would allow you to drop 4 extra keys from the icon mods kit.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (added and finalizing kits before GB)
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 31 March 2020, 05:36:46
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/JUjVSNp.png)

A
Using for the Fn icon instead of (which looks bad imo) would allow you to drop 4 extra keys from the icon mods kit.

I'm keeping that key in there for their intended use, also as I am not creator of the icon mods I would like to stay as true as I could possibly be.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: YMwoo on Tue, 31 March 2020, 19:32:23
On a second thought, is it just two keys that needs to be added? to the bottom row?

There should be enough keys in the ergo kit to support that
It's actually 2x R3 1u and 2x R2 1u
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Updated kits, novelties & deskmat)
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 01 April 2020, 05:21:09
On a second thought, is it just two keys that needs to be added? to the bottom row?

There should be enough keys in the ergo kit to support that
It's actually 2x R3 1u and 2x R2 1u

Okay, rejoice. They are added.

(https://e.lvme.me/tukac9t.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 01 April 2020, 23:26:26
Group buy will start exactly 1 month away from now.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: YMwoo on Thu, 02 April 2020, 00:26:53
Okay, rejoice. They are added.

Show Image
(https://e.lvme.me/tukac9t.jpg)

awesome, thanks!

Group buy will start exactly 1 month away from now.
that's fast, kinda expecting it to be a bit later. hopefully the condition will be better by then :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: frothy on Thu, 02 April 2020, 11:30:44
Really looking forward to this! Any chance of getting DeskHero to proxy for us Canucks?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Adelscott on Thu, 02 April 2020, 16:33:54
I'll be on this for sure !
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 02 April 2020, 19:33:12
Kit Renders are finalized, there will be no more changes from here on out.

Unless there's some problems that I somehow missed.

Edit: Some problems came up, will have to put some kits on the chopping block.
Prices will be out soon after I get confirmation from Keyreative and vendors.


Alphas -
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Arctic Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/cs3QPLL.jpg)

Frostbite Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ni8247.jpg)

Colevrak+
(https://i.imgur.com/KZ0MS9T.jpg)

French
(https://i.imgur.com/9vzhy4S.jpg)

North
(https://i.imgur.com/kr2izKp.jpg)


Modifiers -
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Arctic Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/XbsHccj.jpg)

Arctic Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/QrzHcYg.jpg)

Snowman Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/o7dO78s.jpg)

Snowman Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/FdFUuon.jpg)

Otter Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/MjIxfdy.jpg)

Otter Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/sUb7jav.jpg)

Frosted Otter Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/o6PmK2r.jpg)

Frosted Otter Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/bZu1aaD.jpg)

Ergo Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/n2judmj.jpg)

Numpads -
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Arctic Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/rqWD3Qi.jpg)

Arctic Icon Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/YtjcK7y.jpg)

Snowball Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/USrJtcH.jpg)

Snowball Icon Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/tLtRvp5.jpg)

Ice Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/gqrhcQV.jpg)

Spacebars -
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Spacebar Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/vOPS2F1.jpg)

Blue Split Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/j20xjIZ.jpg)

Beluga (Novelty Kit)
(https://i.imgur.com/jZgavKv.jpg)


Removed Kits

Alt F-Row
Arrow Kit
Frostbite Colevrak+
South
Gray Split

Added

 F1-4 / F 9-12 Frostbite keys to Frostbite Alphas
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: rockydbull on Thu, 02 April 2020, 21:15:00
There is so much variety in this set it honestly feels like two sets in one. Gonna be hard to budget for this.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 03 April 2020, 03:30:14
Bummer about the arrow kit. Can you maybe add blue arrow keys to the numpad kits? There are almost no keyboards with numpad but without arrows, and a lot of them have separated arrows that would look great in the accent color.
Title: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: LostGoatOnHill on Fri, 03 April 2020, 04:08:41
Love this, in!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: TheStrkr on Fri, 03 April 2020, 04:34:47
Oh man, I finally made an account for this.

I'm in for the Frostbite Alpha, Arctic Icon Mods and Spacebar kits. Oh and the Novelties too, why not.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: tehfrawg on Fri, 03 April 2020, 10:07:31
Would it be possible to have an Esc keycap add on? I really like the icon mods but would like to have the option of a regular Esc cap with them

Also, I would love to see the blue arrow keys included!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 03 April 2020, 16:10:38
Kit Renders are finalized, there will be no more changes from here on out.



(https://i.imgur.com/6vriL6L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wTeQj8k.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: LostGoatOnHill on Sat, 04 April 2020, 03:15:50
Looking gorgeous


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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Mechwarrior3000 on Sun, 05 April 2020, 23:10:47
Im sold, count me in!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Radium on Sun, 05 April 2020, 23:55:02
This keycap is unique and simple. Maybe im in when GB is open :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Merloobi on Mon, 06 April 2020, 19:10:40
Love the clean look, I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: krisst on Tue, 07 April 2020, 05:04:38
This set will be my first KAT profile keycap set. I also prefer pbt if possible, which kat keycaps are, so its a plus.

I got JTK Arctic, love the colour.

Bored of GMKs..
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: bow3i on Wed, 08 April 2020, 12:03:01
Love this set, can't wait to jump on it!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Joaquox on Wed, 08 April 2020, 12:55:59
Please refrain from jumping on your keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 09 April 2020, 07:00:29
Please refrain from jumping on your keyboard.

Would definitely try to avoid that.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (May 1st GB)
Post by: Myth on Thu, 09 April 2020, 13:17:55
Definitely in for a deskmat to go with my JTK Arctic
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 16 April 2020, 21:39:22
Tentative pricing has been updated for Novel Keys, the rest will be sometime shortly.

$36 - Arctic Alphas
$43 - Frostbite Alphas
$32 - Beluga
$30 - Colevrak+
$38 - Ergo Modifiers
$23 - French
$63 - Arctic Modifiers
$63 - Arctic Icon Modifiers
$48 - Otter Modifiers
$48 - Frosted Otter Modifiers
$50 - Frosted Otter Icon Modifiers
$50 - Otter Icon Modifiers
$63 - Snowman Modifiers
$63 - Snowman Icon Modifiers
$26 - North
$22 - Arctic Numpad
$22 - Arctic Icon Numpad
$12 - Ice
$22 - Snowball Numpad
$22 - Snowball Icon Numpad
$29 - Spacebar
$15 - Blue Split

Also the frostbite alphas are more expensive due to the need to add some keys for it to make it work with the modifiers out there.

(https://i.imgur.com/qDJwvaH.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: LovesThe on Thu, 16 April 2020, 22:11:59
I don't understand why the 40's and Ortho mods are crammed into one set, the waste of keys makes this set very unattractive.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: VXQN on Fri, 17 April 2020, 04:49:28
Love this set, have held off on a couple of others for it!

I have to ask, is there any chance of getting a blank convex 1.25u (white) key for us split-space users?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: eskimojo on Fri, 17 April 2020, 04:52:54
I don't understand why the 40's and Ortho mods are crammed into one set, the waste of keys makes this set very unattractive.

Mcnos has already had to cut the amount of kits offered, as there is a limit to how many kits vendors are willing to sort and package.

Splitting the kits further would require compromise in other areas.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: Joaquox on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:40:02
Right now it feels like this is the kit that will end up on my prophet. Very much looking forward to the GB!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: LovesThe on Sat, 18 April 2020, 00:36:23
I don't understand why the 40's and Ortho mods are crammed into one set, the waste of keys makes this set very unattractive.

Mcnos has already had to cut the amount of kits offered, as there is a limit to how many kits vendors are willing to sort and package.

Splitting the kits further would require compromise in other areas.

Oh well, I guess I'll stick to GB with more limited scope then. Can't afford to waste money on so many useless keys.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: LostGoatOnHill on Sat, 18 April 2020, 01:08:27
Love this set, totally in


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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: YMwoo on Sat, 18 April 2020, 09:43:24
nice pricing, hopefully other vendor is okay too.
still a bit bummed that the blue spacebar is in spacebar kit instead but totally understandable.
excited for GB!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: DaMnED on Sat, 18 April 2020, 09:52:40
So sad the South kit had to go, I do understand the reason but from a personal standpoint, I'm out.

For future reference, the way to go is to make a international kit like milkshake had (and many KAT sets coming out), less kits, less keys overall, while still supporting the niche sets.

Good luck to all!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 18 April 2020, 12:38:49
I will be hosting a giveaway on my server for any who would like to hate themselves.

Find the details on the pin in the channel.

https://discord.gg/9ExTPMg
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Updated page 4)
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 18 April 2020, 20:08:03
Here's the tentative final pricing for all the vendors

(https://i.imgur.com/KXMg9B3.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (Pricing Finalized, awaiting GB)
Post by: ZeusCables on Tue, 21 April 2020, 13:46:12
hey guys, my name is Zeuscables and I'll be providing custom Artisan cables for KAT Arctic!

Pics: https://imgur.com/a/1xNg4Ki
website: https://www.zeuscables.store/copy-of-masterpiece

you'll be able to choose from 3 different heat shrink colors.

GB starts May 1st

Collabs: Moondust, Lucky Jade, Atlantis, Arctic, Masterpiece, Blink, Ivory, Goddess, Red Dragon, Demon Sword, Explosion, Midnight Rainbow
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (GB - May 1st)
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 28 April 2020, 04:57:56
North kit is missing 2" key for German layout.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (GB - May 1st)
Post by: manzel on Tue, 28 April 2020, 05:29:34
The 2" key is included in the base alphas.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (GB - May 1st)
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 28 April 2020, 06:30:52
whoops you're right, my bad!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Arctic (GB live!)
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:35:56
Group buy page is live and active.

Please direct any further discussion here

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106046.0