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Title: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: Nostril on Sat, 15 February 2020, 16:12:58
(https://i.imgur.com/9UU17pQ.png)

Interest Form:
https://forms.gle/h9ZCCKVVaCJcLiz19 (https://forms.gle/h9ZCCKVVaCJcLiz19)

Specifications:
Typing Angle: 7°
Plate: Gasket Mounted full plate
PCB: QMK-compatible PCB with USB-C breakout board
Price: TBD (Expected to be ~$400 USD)
Material: 6061 Aluminum top and bottom chassis. Brass plate, bar, and weight. Polycarbonate options if possible.
Weight: ~1.8kg
Compatible Switches: MX-style switches

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Assembly:
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Old Renders:
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Inspiration & Design Process:
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To “synthesize” means to combine a number of things into a coherent whole. As such, the 060 design takes inspiration from many places.

The original idea was to take aesthetic elements from audio equipment, and apply it with a modern take to a keyboard. For example, analog synthesizers with their flip-up control panels, amplifiers with their beautifully machined knobs, and rack mounted mixers with their clean bent-rod handles. I knew I wanted to make a keyboard with a prominent flip-up OLED screen, rotary knob, and handlebar.

Design cues were also taken from Apple’s MacBook Pro line - particularly the shape of the cutaways that the laptop has for opening the screen, and the unibody appearance which shows few visible gaps. Other sources of inspiration include keyboards from RAMA Works in general, the Primus, the Chimera65, the Leaf 60, the Polaris, and many others.

The bottom part of the keyboard’s rear mimics rear diffusers that are normally found on the bottom rear of sports cars. I also took inspiration from the Toyota Prius’ long and tall brake lights, which frame the back of the car nice and squarely - this resulted in the supports on the sides of the rear.

The side profile is inspired by pointy dress shoes. These have a triangular wedge shape which makes the side profile look distinctly sharp and acute. I believe it helps make an object appear thinner than it actually is.

With this pile of ideas, I was able to create my first concept design in Maya:
(http://www.aaron-hong.com/portfolio/Pieces/Other/KeyboardPrototypes/Screen7.jpg)
(http://www.aaron-hong.com/portfolio/Pieces/Other/KeyboardPrototypes/Screen8.jpg)
(http://www.aaron-hong.com/portfolio/Pieces/Other/KeyboardPrototypes/Screen4.jpg)

After some consideration, I determined this was an overly ambitious project for my first keyboard (maybe later), and decided to cut out many of the features to make a simpler design that I was happy with. I started creating the new design in Fusion 360 instead of Maya so that the design would actually be manufacturable, and polished the design along the way.


In Development & Subject to Change:
Currently I am still working on the PCB, which will have a USB-C breakout daughterboard.
Update: PCB and daughterboard done

The spacing between the weight's fins is very narrow, which makes it hard to fit a USB-C plug in normally, so the current plan is to mount the plug with a portrait orientation (flag-style USB-C). The problem with this is that it will be a very deeply recessed jack with little room around it, and may require pulling on the cord to unplug. However it will create a very clean look. This might change - my backup plan is to rearrange the fins a bit and remove one of them from the center to make space to mount it in a normal landscape orientation.
Update: Now using vertical USB in a portrait orientation. See later post.

The screws are currently M3 with a 4mm head - this is subject to change.

Plate is currently a screwless sandwich mount - designed for gasket mounting in mind. I still need to add in rubber parts to make this a proper gasket mount - however I need to research what rubber parts are available to work around or manufacture first.
Update: Gasket mount is done.

The colors/material options are undecided. Ideally I would like to offer all of the following options, however offering only a few will be realistic:

Top Chassis: Satin Aluminum, E-Black, E-White, Frosted PC, Vapor polish PC
Bottom Chassis: Satin Aluminum, E-Black, E-White, Frosted PC, Vapor polish PC
Plate: Polished Aluminum, PVD Yellow Brass, PVD Rose Brass
Bar: Polished Aluminum, PVD Yellow Brass, PVD Rose Brass
Weight: Polished Aluminum, PVD Yellow Brass, PVD Rose Brass, Frosted PC, Vapor polish PC

I will narrow down the color options based on interest form submissions.

Finally, layouts are also subject to change. I have only worked on a standard ANSI layout so far, but will consider HHKB, WKL, and ISO layouts if there is interest.

Quantity that will be offered is unknown for now.

What I'm Looking For:
The purpose of this thread is of course primarily to gauge interest for this design, and narrow down options.

However, I am also looking for guidance on actually getting this project manufactured, since I am super new to this. I haven’t reached out to many people individually yet, since I thought it would be better to start with an IC post where there can be public discussion first, but I could really use some mentorship.

In particular, I’m hitting a wall with how to source parts for the gasket mounted plate. I would also like some recommendations on manufacturers for both the case and PCB. Also, which parts libraries to use (in EAGLE) that will allow me to get my PCB printed and assembled (it seems that many manufacturers have their own private libraries, are there standard public ones?).

If you are a keyboard designer/maker/vendor, I would love to be in contact with you! Please hit me up on Discord!

Acknowledgements:
Thanks to all my family and friends - you are my main motivation to keep doing cool things. You guys have also given me the most feedback on this project which has helped make it what it is.

Thanks to all the keyboard designers that I have taken inspiration from - there are really too many to list and really the whole community matter when it comes to advancing keyboard design.

Thank you ai03 for the Keyboard Plate Generator tool that I’m using, as well as the PCB guide. This stuff is extremely helpful!

Thanks to Agilr, kema, olivia, and Zambumon for allowing me to use their keysets in my renders. They have also given some useful feedback and guidance for this project. Seriously, their keysets are awesome.

Contact / More Information:
Discord: Nostril#3948

Just shoot me a DM on Discord if you have any questions - feel free to contact me directly or reply in this thread if you prefer.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Sat, 15 February 2020, 16:13:18
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Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: GR1NN1NGC4T on Sat, 15 February 2020, 16:57:26
I'm definitely going to follow the process because you got a look for that keyboard that just screams "Retro futuristic" and I love that style.

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Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 15 February 2020, 17:13:25
Wow, what a wild & aggressive design.... I kinda love it! Definitely will be keeping an eye on this one. I fully expect it to end up being quite expensive due to the design, but this one is so unique & cool looking to me, I'd be willing to shell out for it if I got the extra scratch at the time! GL with this project!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 15 February 2020, 17:28:47
It's too fast! Too furious!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: daintySPLASH on Sat, 15 February 2020, 17:34:14
This is definitely unique... will be keeping a close eye on this project as it progresses!  I like what i see
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: fishinaspacesuit on Sat, 15 February 2020, 17:49:51
Wow very unique design, count me in for a HHKB :)


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Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: godofdeath on Sat, 15 February 2020, 18:22:58
why's there a heatsink on the keeb LUL
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Agilr on Sat, 15 February 2020, 18:38:27
Great to see this coming into fruition, loved the design before and can't wait to see it going into GB soon! Nothing like an unique 60% board :p
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 16 February 2020, 00:24:35
This board looks insane!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: growler on Sun, 16 February 2020, 05:15:23
Nice to see someone breaking new ground, many projects are variations on a common theme, this is actually unique. Well done.

growler

Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 16 February 2020, 09:51:13
Gotta be honest, I kinda hate how... useless the handlebar is.
- You cannot lift the keyboard up with it (too close to the keycaps).
- You cannot use it as a pen holder.
Yes I know it's pure decoration, but then that kinda goes against your source of inspiration: audio gears, which
 tend to be designed as highly form-follows-functions as possible.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: rukia on Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:41:47
Pen rest is a nice touch, however
- I dislike that you have a handlebar there, which serves no other purpose aside from being mildly decorative
- I also really dislike how you needlessly will end up complicating the manufacturing process and jacking up the price of the board by adding the heatfin-esque thing which, again, serves no purpose other than to be mildly decorative and to add weight to the board.

The way I see it, you're making the board complicated for the sake of making something complicated
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: sonicdoooom on Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:10:41
^^ Then don't buy it. This board is obvious based on aesthetics, and beautiful design. If you want something based around function there's plenty of options out there...
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:32:23
It's a heat pipe, obviously, just like the heat fins on the back... this sucker runs HOT
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:04:52
Gotta be honest, I kinda hate how... useless the handlebar is.
- You cannot lift the keyboard up with it (too close to the keycaps).
- You cannot use it as a pen holder.
Yes I know it's pure decoration, but then that kinda goes against your source of inspiration: audio gears, which
 tend to be designed as highly form-follows-functions as possible.

Fair points. I have definitely considered this myself, but I really feel that it really completes the look and feels too different without it. As an interesting aside, I think in some audio equipment the handles are designed not only to allow grabbing the device, but also to protect the hardware if it's dropped, so that the handles and case are taking the impact instead of the pots.

In my original concept, I was also thinking of it less of a handle - I added the bar as a physical barrier to prevent smudging/accidental input (if touchscreen) on the screen part (the scope of this is all a ridiculously long shot anyway) - however this function doesn't really apply so much after replacing the screen with just the pen rest cavity. I guess the same separation does apply with whatever you put on the pen rest, but it wouldn't really matter since it's recessed anyway. At the end of the day, you're right - it's just an aesthetic element.

Pen rest is a nice touch, however
- I dislike that you have a handlebar there, which serves no other purpose aside from being mildly decorative
- I also really dislike how you needlessly will end up complicating the manufacturing process and jacking up the price of the board by adding the heatfin-esque thing which, again, serves no purpose other than to be mildly decorative and to add weight to the board.

The way I see it, you're making the board complicated for the sake of making something complicated

I wouldn't say that these elements are mild, it's not really a small optimization on aesthetics. Rather, I think this package of design choices is a pretty pronounced statement, which in my opinion also happens to look cool (subjective ofc). Yes, many design elements on this board are very much form over function, and as such it certainly won't be for everyone.

It's a heat pipe, obviously, just like the heat fins on the back... this sucker runs HOT

Exactly, this board is for typing at 300wpm.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: TonyPia on Sun, 16 February 2020, 16:22:31
This guy knows how to talk.
I admit the design is different in a good way by far from other keyboards that I've seen in GH, which makes this board not for everybody.

Did you think about having dedicated arrow keys, either 65% way or just arrows?
60% is awesome for almost everything but painful for text editing.

How about integrating the bar onto the board so that it looks like embedded half pipe?
The board has fins and pen rest that already make it unique enough.
Even wall like square bar with no space in-between would look great.



Gotta be honest, I kinda hate how... useless the handlebar is.
- You cannot lift the keyboard up with it (too close to the keycaps).
- You cannot use it as a pen holder.
Yes I know it's pure decoration, but then that kinda goes against your source of inspiration: audio gears, which
 tend to be designed as highly form-follows-functions as possible.

Fair points. I have definitely considered this myself, but I really feel that it really completes the look and feels too different without it. As an interesting aside, I think in some audio equipment the handles are designed not only to allow grabbing the device, but also to protect the hardware if it's dropped, so that the handles and case are taking the impact instead of the pots.

In my original concept, I was also thinking of it less of a handle - I added the bar as a physical barrier to prevent smudging/accidental input (if touchscreen) on the screen part (the scope of this is all a ridiculously long shot anyway) - however this function doesn't really apply so much after replacing the screen with just the pen rest cavity. I guess the same separation does apply with whatever you put on the pen rest, but it wouldn't really matter since it's recessed anyway. At the end of the day, you're right - it's just an aesthetic element.

Pen rest is a nice touch, however
- I dislike that you have a handlebar there, which serves no other purpose aside from being mildly decorative
- I also really dislike how you needlessly will end up complicating the manufacturing process and jacking up the price of the board by adding the heatfin-esque thing which, again, serves no purpose other than to be mildly decorative and to add weight to the board.

The way I see it, you're making the board complicated for the sake of making something complicated

I wouldn't say that these elements are mild, it's not really a small optimization on aesthetics. Rather, I think this package of design choices is a pretty pronounced statement, which in my opinion also happens to look cool (subjective ofc). Yes, many design elements on this board are very much form over function, and as such it certainly won't be for everyone.

It's a heat pipe, obviously, just like the heat fins on the back... this sucker runs HOT

Exactly, this board is for typing at 300wpm.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 17 February 2020, 03:42:42
This guy knows how to talk.
I admit the design is different in a good way by far from other keyboards that I've seen in GH, which makes this board not for everybody.

Did you think about having dedicated arrow keys, either 65% way or just arrows?
60% is awesome for almost everything but painful for text editing.

How about integrating the bar onto the board so that it looks like embedded half pipe?
The board has fins and pen rest that already make it unique enough.
Even wall like square bar with no space in-between would look great.

I'm pretty set on doing a 60% layout for this board - but I'm looking into some 60% variants (WKL, HHKB, ISO, etc.). But yeah, 60% definitely takes some getting used to and needs a mapping that works well for you. I do a lot of programming, so I have to move the text cursor a lot - I have my Function key bound to Caps Lock and arrow keys on WASD in the function layer, as well as Enter on Spacebar in the function layer. That does the trick for me.

Not sure what you mean about integrating the bar onto the board - do you mean having it be part of the same piece, or making it like a J-01 esque pen rest?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: TameFlame on Mon, 17 February 2020, 05:00:16
This is very interesting!
I am very much a fan of the fin-aesthetics on the rear side of the board, but like others I'm somewhat skeptical of the bar. While I don't think it's unnescessary or a complication, I do feel it could use some rework - that being said, I wouldn't have a clue on how though. It's worth noting that a board can aim to be a more unique designwise product, form over function as you mentioned yourself, and not always aim for the cheapest possible solution.

I could get with the thought, that I believe has been floated already, of lowering the bars vertical position, making it more of a step, or slightly raised bar, as opposed to something which resembles a handle, yet has no use as handle.

I think the fins have a very strong design wise quality, and removing one would also mean a break in a system of fins, which I'd be sad to see. I am very excited to see where you choose to go from here with this project.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 17 February 2020, 05:05:46
Love the design (yes, including the bar) but I can imagine this costing a hell of a lot to produce...

With changing the USB port orientation, keep in mind that it would rule out pretty much every widely available 60% PCB out there without some janky hacking. I would heavily lean towards finding a way to support the common DZ60 format PCBs if possible.

HHKB-blocker top and split spacebar support would be enough to put this into the 'must have' category even at a premium price point.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: TonyPia on Mon, 17 February 2020, 12:06:18
This guy knows how to talk.
I admit the design is different in a good way by far from other keyboards that I've seen in GH, which makes this board not for everybody.

Did you think about having dedicated arrow keys, either 65% way or just arrows?
60% is awesome for almost everything but painful for text editing.

How about integrating the bar onto the board so that it looks like embedded half pipe?
The board has fins and pen rest that already make it unique enough.
Even wall like square bar with no space in-between would look great.

I'm pretty set on doing a 60% layout for this board - but I'm looking into some 60% variants (WKL, HHKB, ISO, etc.). But yeah, 60% definitely takes some getting used to and needs a mapping that works well for you. I do a lot of programming, so I have to move the text cursor a lot - I have my Function key bound to Caps Lock and arrow keys on WASD in the function layer, as well as Enter on Spacebar in the function layer. That does the trick for me.

Not sure what you mean about integrating the bar onto the board - do you mean having it be part of the same piece, or making it like a J-01 esque pen rest?

I've used HHKB for like 7-8 years as well as a few 60% but still the fact that I have to hit another button to move around is pain. Probably that's the reason I have trouble with hitting Ctrl and Shift while moving around in games. I instead prefer hitting a function key with one hand and use letters in the other hand side to move around. Still, it is pain especially once I moved to 65% world. It would be wonderful to have HHKB + Arrows.

J-01 is close to what I though but not that tall to work as pen rest. You have pen rest in the body of the board already. Just quick thought that there must be better approach than current bar which cannot be used as handle.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: irew0w on Mon, 17 February 2020, 14:50:28
i ADORE this design. can't wait to see more!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Tue, 18 February 2020, 02:08:16
This is very interesting!
I could get with the thought, that I believe has been floated already, of lowering the bars vertical position, making it more of a step, or slightly raised bar, as opposed to something which resembles a handle, yet has no use as handle.

I'll definitely consider playing with that part of the design over the longer term. I tried out some relatively quick variations on that part today, but still ended up liking the original design the most in the end. For the height, the bar formerly was a noticible bit lower, but was raised as a tweak to make it vaguely follow the projected curvature that sculpted sets (just looking at Cherry profile really) had - it also seems to help with giving it that wedge-shaped side profile and breaks the rectangular mold a bit. I'm not really getting that as much with some of the other variations I'm trying, but I'll keep it at it for a bit more.

Some variations:
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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/BarVariations/Original.png)
Original (12mm height from bar center to case top)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/BarVariations/BarLow.png)
Slightly lowered height (10mm height from bar center to case top)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/BarVariations/BarLower.png)
Greatly lowered height (7mm height from bar center to case top)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/BarVariations/None.png)
Nothing (I'll need to try making the top margin the same as the others, but that'll take a bit of work to get the internals right)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/BarVariations/RailFlat.png)
Flat rail
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/BarVariations/RailRound.png)
Rounded rail
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/BarVariations/RailAngle.png)
Angled rail

I think the fins have a very strong design wise quality, and removing one would also mean a break in a system of fins, which I'd be sad to see. I am very excited to see where you choose to go from here with this project.

I'm thinking the same as you about the fins - I've also tried reducing the fin count to increase the spacing and it doesn't look right, which is why I'm leaning towards the portrait-orientation USB port even though that seems pretty weird and unconventional.

Love the design (yes, including the bar) but I can imagine this costing a hell of a lot to produce...

With changing the USB port orientation, keep in mind that it would rule out pretty much every widely available 60% PCB out there without some janky hacking. I would heavily lean towards finding a way to support the common DZ60 format PCBs if possible.

HHKB-blocker top and split spacebar support would be enough to put this into the 'must have' category even at a premium price point.

Yeah, but I think even if the USB was a normal orientation, the position on its own will still at least require a breakout board. I'm right with you on the preference to just use DZ60 format PCBs if possible, but I haven't seen any off-the-shelf available ones with breakout pins for the USB (let me know if I'm wrong about this)? It would be hard to hook up the daughterboard as an extension to the motherboard's normal USB plug due to space constraints.

J-01 is close to what I though but not that tall to work as pen rest. You have pen rest in the body of the board already. Just quick thought that there must be better approach than current bar which cannot be used as handle.

Right - I don't really like the idea of having another pen rail either since there already is one integrated into the body. I do like the current design though, and right now am only considering a change - I can't really promise anything at the moment, and I'll probably try and proceed with other things that need to be done first, keeping this in mind to possibly revisit.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: dom on Tue, 18 February 2020, 03:11:21
This is the dope design man :) super fun!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: MadsMe on Tue, 18 February 2020, 05:00:35
I am absolutely all for this design and hope it will at one time graze my desk. The only thing I would like altered a bit is the lip that covers the fins. When I use the board I would love to see the fins, is there a possiblity of the fins pertrueding somehow?

Keep it up!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: jackcauliflower on Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:22:48
Absolutely love this design! I’d be in for an HHKB layout if that comes to fruition! :)


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Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: TonyPia on Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:36:35
I am absolutely all for this design and hope it will at one time graze my desk. The only thing I would like altered a bit is the lip that covers the fins. When I use the board I would love to see the fins, is there a possiblity of the fins pertrueding somehow?

Keep it up!

You are going to pay hundreds of dollars for your family and friends, not for yourself  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Wed, 19 February 2020, 03:45:20
Some updates:

I realized I forgot to ask for an email address for those who would like to be notified the group buy details by email. If you've already filled out the interest form before 12pm GMT Wednesday and would like to be notified, please click on the interest form link again where you can update your response to add your email - make sure you click through to the last page to resubmit.

Also, I finished the the gasket mount:

Gasket Mount Renders:
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/BottomChassis.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/BottomChassisZoom.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/BottomChassisWithPlate.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/TopChassis.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/TopChassisZoom.png)


I am absolutely all for this design and hope it will at one time graze my desk. The only thing I would like altered a bit is the lip that covers the fins. When I use the board I would love to see the fins, is there a possiblity of the fins pertrueding somehow?

Keep it up!

Perhaps the polycarbonate options will do the trick for you? I added renders of them in the "Other Colors" section of the original post.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: alanskiii on Wed, 19 February 2020, 04:26:58
Whoa that polycarb is


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Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: MadsMe on Wed, 19 February 2020, 07:23:23
Some updates:

I realized I forgot to ask for an email address for those who would like to be notified the group buy details by email. If you've already filled out the interest form before 12pm GMT Wednesday and would like to be notified, please click on the interest form link again where you can update your response to add your email - make sure you click through to the last page to resubmit.

Also, I finished the the gasket mount:

Gasket Mount Renders:
More
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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/BottomChassis.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/BottomChassisZoom.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/BottomChassisWithPlate.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/TopChassis.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/GasketMount/TopChassisZoom.png)



I am absolutely all for this design and hope it will at one time graze my desk. The only thing I would like altered a bit is the lip that covers the fins. When I use the board I would love to see the fins, is there a possiblity of the fins pertrueding somehow?

Keep it up!

Perhaps the polycarbonate options will do the trick for you? I added renders of them in the "Other Colors" section of the original post.

I was thinking more along the lines of having a black/white keyboard with frosted PC weight with underglow shining our from that and having the fins show a little bit. Thought that would look cool.

Never have the reverse a thought, but looks cool also!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: alphabirth on Wed, 19 February 2020, 11:19:18
Dang!  I'm really digging all the wild stuff appearing on GH these days!  Good work man!  This will probably end up being too rich for my blood, especially in a pure 60% though.  Also, have you thought about pushing the bar right to the back edge (past the stepped portion) so that it could be used as a rest for a phone / tablet?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Thu, 20 February 2020, 06:42:16
I was thinking more along the lines of having a black/white keyboard with frosted PC weight with underglow shining our from that and having the fins show a little bit. Thought that would look cool.

Never have the reverse a thought, but looks cool also!

Oh, I did have that same thought as the clear next step from having the PC weight but I didn't think that's what you were talking about. I don't really care personally much for RGB underglow on this design, but I think it's definitely something that some people will like.

It might be a bit tricky to get LEDs oriented correctly since it might need a daughterboard to be facing the correct way and to pass the wall from the bottom chassis, and also there is currently no gap for such daughterboard to fit. Also it seems the PC weight has been far less popular based on the results of the interest form so far. So I think this idea will have to be shelved for another day.

I haven't thought of any other specific usecases for this yet (this might be worthwhile if there are others), but perhaps it would be a good idea to have a pin header or JST connector for all of the unused pins on the microcontroller, and some sort of cable passthrough aside from the USB port hole, so that extended functionality could be offered later down the line.

Dang!  I'm really digging all the wild stuff appearing on GH these days!  Good work man!  This will probably end up being too rich for my blood, especially in a pure 60% though.  Also, have you thought about pushing the bar right to the back edge (past the stepped portion) so that it could be used as a rest for a phone / tablet?

Interesting idea. I like the idea of that functionality - adding a phone/note stand while keeping the pen rest relatively unobstructed. It will be complicated with the current design though since that will move the mounting holes to probably the most densely machined part of the board - so trying this out will not be very easy and require a fair amount of redesign.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: d00deitsnik on Thu, 20 February 2020, 15:31:56
I'm really excited to watch this project move forward. I really like the ideas you have and would be interested in seeing if the vertical usb-c port turns out well. Definitely following this!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Myouri on Sat, 22 February 2020, 06:02:20
 :D I'm interested in this project. Keeb looks pretty nice. And those fins and the bar though lol. Looks unique
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Glychd on Sat, 22 February 2020, 06:30:53
Oooh, I like this a lot.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: markclemmons on Tue, 25 February 2020, 02:06:44
Love this board------take my money

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Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Wed, 26 February 2020, 01:58:46
Here's a small update.

I've mostly been working on the PCB, and have been making some good progress there.

In other news, I have played around with some ideas on how the daughterboard/USB cutout will work -  here's some details. Previously I said I was planning on using a flag-style USB-C port, which would have been with the daughterboard aligned parallel to the case bottom. I have since changed this idea. Now, the USB-C port will be a straight USB-C receptacle, with the board parallel to the rear wall of the bottom case:

Like this part:
(https://www.ept.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2016/01/16MAD248_IA1.jpg)

The reason for this change of thought was that I realized this will allow much more protrusion of the USB port from the board, and will make the USB-C cutaway much less recessed.

It will be mounted with two screws into the rear wall of the bottom chassis.

Here are some pictures to illustrate (PCB parts are placeholder blocks). I'm still currently working on this part of the design, so expect some changes later.

(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/Daughterboard.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/DaughterboardZoom.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/InternalTop.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/External.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/ExternalNoTop.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/ExternalWeight.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: TonyPia on Wed, 26 February 2020, 09:17:56
Here's a small update.

I've mostly been working on the PCB, and have been making some good progress there.

In other news, I have played around with some ideas on how the daughterboard/USB cutout will work -  here's some details. Previously I said I was planning on using a flag-style USB-C port, which would have been with the daughterboard aligned parallel to the case bottom. I have since changed this idea. Now, the USB-C port will be a straight USB-C receptacle, with the board parallel to the rear wall of the bottom case:

Like this part:
Show Image
(https://www.ept.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2016/01/16MAD248_IA1.jpg)


The reason for this change of thought was that I realized this will allow much more protrusion of the USB port from the board, and will make the USB-C cutaway much less recessed.

It will be mounted with two screws into the rear wall of the bottom chassis.

Here are some pictures to illustrate (PCB parts are placeholder blocks). I'm still currently working on this part of the design, so expect some changes later.

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/Daughterboard.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/DaughterboardZoom.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/InternalTop.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/External.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/ExternalNoTop.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/ExternalWeight.png)



I like this project. Everything is unusual in a good way.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 26 February 2020, 17:47:15
Man, that last change you made on the usb c port is pretty sick. Can't wait to hear more about this board!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: xiangxp on Wed, 26 February 2020, 23:43:56
Here's a small update.

I've mostly been working on the PCB, and have been making some good progress there.

In other news, I have played around with some ideas on how the daughterboard/USB cutout will work -  here's some details. Previously I said I was planning on using a flag-style USB-C port, which would have been with the daughterboard aligned parallel to the case bottom. I have since changed this idea. Now, the USB-C port will be a straight USB-C receptacle, with the board parallel to the rear wall of the bottom case:

Like this part:
Show Image
(https://www.ept.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2016/01/16MAD248_IA1.jpg)


The reason for this change of thought was that I realized this will allow much more protrusion of the USB port from the board, and will make the USB-C cutaway much less recessed.

It will be mounted with two screws into the rear wall of the bottom chassis.

Here are some pictures to illustrate (PCB parts are placeholder blocks). I'm still currently working on this part of the design, so expect some changes later.

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/Daughterboard.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/DaughterboardZoom.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/InternalTop.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/External.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/ExternalNoTop.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/ExternalWeight.png)

Will this screw with the current aftermarket cables? Especially those with coils?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Thu, 27 February 2020, 03:06:05
Here's a small update.

I've mostly been working on the PCB, and have been making some good progress there.

In other news, I have played around with some ideas on how the daughterboard/USB cutout will work -  here's some details. Previously I said I was planning on using a flag-style USB-C port, which would have been with the daughterboard aligned parallel to the case bottom. I have since changed this idea. Now, the USB-C port will be a straight USB-C receptacle, with the board parallel to the rear wall of the bottom case:

Like this part:
Show Image
(https://www.ept.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2016/01/16MAD248_IA1.jpg)


The reason for this change of thought was that I realized this will allow much more protrusion of the USB port from the board, and will make the USB-C cutaway much less recessed.

It will be mounted with two screws into the rear wall of the bottom chassis.

Here are some pictures to illustrate (PCB parts are placeholder blocks). I'm still currently working on this part of the design, so expect some changes later.

Show Image
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/Daughterboard.png)

Show Image
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/DaughterboardZoom.png)

Show Image
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/InternalTop.png)

Show Image
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/External.png)

Show Image
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/ExternalNoTop.png)

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(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/ExternalWeight.png)

Will this screw with the current aftermarket cables? Especially those with coils?

It is a pretty tight fit for a lot of cables and probably won't fit some. Currently the dimensions of the cavity are 7.3x12.0mm with a 2.0mm corner radius, 11.39mm deep at the shortest distance, and 12.91mm deep at the longest distance.

The main limiting factors are how close the edge of the daughterboard are to touching the main PCB and how close the edge of the cutaway is to the weight's edge. They are already very close at the moment. These constraints are limiting that 12.0mm dimension, which I would like to make bigger if possible. There's a few solutions to these problems - I can make the keyboard a bit taller, thin out the rear wall, move the daughterboard PCB to the opposite side of the rear wall and make accommodating cutaways, etc. But I'd like to save those solutions only if I definitely need them.

I'm having some issues at the moment with Fusion 360 crashing whenever I try to switch my motherboard PCB from 2D to 3D PCB - which I'd like to do so I can check how everything fits currently, but not any issues with the daughterboard for the same thing. The Electronics Design feature in Fusion seems relatively new, and afaik is just Autodesk EAGLE integrated into the rest of Fusion. I'll probably just ask Autodesk support about this soon. Once I get this worked out and confirm the fit then I'll make some more final decisions.

For any given cable, it needs to be straight for roughly the first 40mm starting from the tip of the USB connector and it needs to fit in that 7.3x12.0mm cutaway at its thickest point. Regarding custom current aftermarket cables with coils and aviator connectors and such - I think it should fit fine for the ones that I've seen, since I haven't seen one that is coiled right up to the end, and I've usually seen the plug housing use a pretty slim shrinkwrap strain relief.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Thu, 27 February 2020, 23:55:04
Ok, got a model in for the USB plug and tweaked the dimensions to fit the plug a bit tighter. Hopefully these new renders will give a better idea of how much the plug will stick out and how things will fit.

(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/New/PCBOnly.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/New/BottomOnly.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/New/BottomAndPCB.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/New/BottomAndPCB2.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/New/BottomAndPCB3.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/USB-Cutout/New/External.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: i luv chuletas on Fri, 28 February 2020, 13:00:07
I dig the changes, should make it easier to retrofit it with custom cables.

I know the layouts are still under considerations, but how do you see the chances of having HHKB for a final buy?

That would really be the cherry on top for me personally.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Sat, 29 February 2020, 03:27:14
I dig the changes, should make it easier to retrofit it with custom cables.

I know the layouts are still under considerations, but how do you see the chances of having HHKB for a final buy?

That would really be the cherry on top for me personally.

I think the chances for both WKL and HHKB are great in terms of demand.

Here are the layouts that were chosen of people who responded:
ANSI Standard: 76.3%
ANSI WKL: 33.8%
ANSI HHKB: 32.5%
ISO Standard: 15%
ISO WKL: 7.5%
ISO HHKB: 7.5%
Tsangan: 5%

The percentages do not total up to 100%, since there are multiple options that could be selected - the percentage is just the likelihood that a given person selected that option. In fact, about 76% of people who said they were interested in WKL and 74% of people who said they were interested in HHKB said they were also interested in ANSI standard - I assume that this most likely implies that they would prefer the less orthodox layout (WKL or HHKB) with standard being their fallback option (though this is still a broad assumption), so in reality the demand is probably even higher than those initial ratios suggest.

In terms of progress for WKL and HHKB blockers, full disclosure - I haven't worked on either at all yet. I think in terms of feasibility, I would imagine it wouldn't be that much of an issue since afaik, most of the cost of manufacturing is creating the workholding - which is why scaling works wonders, and I would imagine that the same workholdings would be applicable between the standard/WKL/HHKB variants. This all comes down to talking with the manufacturers in the end though, but I am pretty determined to make this happen as I am also personally interested in seeing these variants.

I'd like to create prototypes of a standard version, WKL version, and HHKB version if possible.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: MadsMe on Mon, 02 March 2020, 04:40:04
I myself am a WKL advocate but standart is also an instant buy from me!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Fri, 06 March 2020, 04:25:50
Hi everyone! Here's a few updates.

I've still been mostly working on the PCB - I think this is mostly done - there are a few details I need to work out though, and I have been looking at getting 5 prototype PCBs made soon to test out. After thinking about the layout support a bit, I've decided on doing a soldered universal PCB that will support both ANSI and ISO, standard bottom row, Tsangan (includes HHKB and WKL), and split LShift, RShift,, and Backspace. Since this is a universal PCB to support all of these layouts, hotswap will not be offered on this one. I may consider a hotswap PCB if there is enough demand (though I do not think it is likely as of now), but it will only be a fixed layout in ANSI Tsangan.

I may create another interest form later that is less focused on seeing how many people are interested, but rather more focused on if any major options/features are being neglected such as hotswap PCBs, built-in RGB lighting, and polycarbonate cases.

I have also updated the plate to match the universal PCB, which supports all of these layouts:
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/Layouts/Plate1.png)

And also have done some work on the WKL and HHKB blockers, but I am still doing some refinement on this:
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/Layouts/HHKB1.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/Layouts/HHKB3.png)
(http://aaron-hong.com/060/Layouts/WKL2.png)

I have also reached out to some manufacturers for case production, though this is still very early and I do not know much more than before about what will be possible.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: tiamo123654 on Fri, 06 March 2020, 20:48:17
so elegant the keyboard is !!  I'll  definitely join the GB.
IMO she doesn't need  built-in RGB lighting.
the light will break her design texture.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: yhs on Sat, 07 March 2020, 15:44:08
Very interesting
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Wed, 18 March 2020, 14:54:19
I've been talking with some manufacturers and have placed an order with one for case prototypes. The sample production should take roughly 20 days according to the manufacturer. Wish me luck that everything turns out well!

Meanwhile, I'm finishing some things up to place the prototype PCB order.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: himynameisadam2397 on Thu, 19 March 2020, 09:28:48
Prototype is going to be crucial for this design, fingers crossed it turns out great

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Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Fri, 20 March 2020, 16:15:04
Prototype is going to be crucial for this design, fingers crossed it turns out great

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Thanks :)


PCB Prototypes are also ordered now. Also to clarify on the manufacturing time I mentioned before, that is actually 20 working days, so closer to 4 weeks.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: MadsMe on Mon, 23 March 2020, 11:23:08
You wouldn't happen to have a signature we can use to promote this board?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Tue, 24 March 2020, 04:12:54
You wouldn't happen to have a signature we can use to promote this board?

Ah right, I forgot! Thanks for reminding me. I don't have one at the moment, but I'll work on one to share soon. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: MadsMe on Wed, 25 March 2020, 05:30:18
You wouldn't happen to have a signature we can use to promote this board?

Ah right, I forgot! Thanks for reminding me. I don't have one at the moment, but I'll work on one to share soon. :thumb:

Perfect!  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Wed, 25 March 2020, 23:17:16
You wouldn't happen to have a signature we can use to promote this board?

Ah right, I forgot! Thanks for reminding me. I don't have one at the moment, but I'll work on one to share soon. :thumb:

Perfect!  ;)

Ok, I just finished creating a few different signature banners - please check the thread's original post for it! Thanks a ton for helping promote the board!  :D
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Jaltr on Thu, 26 March 2020, 06:10:49
The banner looks v nice
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: jauny on Fri, 27 March 2020, 09:34:16
this looks incredible! Will def snatch one once GB becomes available!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Meowsaur on Sun, 05 April 2020, 11:44:13
Hell yes; really glad to see ISO support for the PCB.
Looking forward to seeing photos of the prototype.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: MadsMe on Mon, 06 April 2020, 05:48:51
When do you have an etimated price? I think thats a big thing for people to know.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 06 April 2020, 21:26:14
When do you have an etimated price? I think thats a big thing for people to know.

Definitely. I think I'll have a better idea of what the price will be a bit after I receive the prototypes, but at the moment, <$400. Sorry for the broad range as of now, but I can say it can only go down from there assuming the manufacturer is fine.

I'm planning on conducting another interest check survey with pictures of the built prototype, a proposed price point, and narrowed down color options, which I'll also be posting to Reddit. I'd like to gauge the interest there as well, since while the average Geekhack member is probably a deep enthusiast, Reddit is a larger community. Based on the results of the current interest check, I'd say there's quite a few different colors that I would like to have available based on what people want, and I'd like to see some more responses/interest before committing to a lower price.

Also, I'd like to determine the exact weight of the board when I have the prototype in hand. I can do some estimates in Fusion 360, but those are of course based on theoretical values and properties of the materials. I also need to figure out packaging. The shipping cost would be separate from the price of the kit, but it would still be good to know.

Finally, of course I'd like to make sure the quality from the manufacturer is good, since the price point is of course based on how much the particular manufacturer's costs.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: L8T on Mon, 06 April 2020, 21:43:15
Where is the usb port? I dont see the hole in renders.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 06 April 2020, 22:27:35
Where is the usb port? I dont see the hole in renders.

Sorry, the original post has some outdated renders from before that was figured out. I'm planning on updating the pictures on the original post with real pictures when a prototype is built.

It's a center-mounted port in portrait orientation. Here's a render that shows how it will look.
(https://i.imgur.com/C6Pggnc.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Marc7202 on Tue, 07 April 2020, 07:27:03
Do you know how many units there's gonna be?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: DonaldPShimoda on Tue, 07 April 2020, 19:33:58
I hadn't planned on getting a 60% (I really love my arrow keys) but I might have to make an exception for this board. It's so cool! Can't wait to see how the prototype turns out!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Wed, 08 April 2020, 15:10:50
Do you know how many units there's gonna be?

I haven't decided yet, I'm leaning towards a limited group buy - maybe ~200 slots? I'll try to have a generous number of slots adjusted to the interest, but there's certainly going to be an upper limit for how much I can manage at a time. If I do have limited slots, I'll try and prioritize people who filled out this original interest check form somehow.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 08 April 2020, 16:19:51
HHKB black with brass accents and lste summer release and we gucci baby
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: NorrittMTG on Sat, 11 April 2020, 08:38:58
 :thumb: Yes please :) ISO and split space and i'm 100% in
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 13 April 2020, 18:12:39
:thumb: Yes please :) ISO and split space and i'm 100% in

Full disclosure: the prototype I've ordered has ISO support, but no split space atm :(

The supported alternative layouts my prototype I has is:
Standard ANSI layout
ISO Enter
Split Left Shift (ISO)
Split Right Shift
Split Backspace
Tsangan bottom row
Stepped Caps Lock

I've ordered 3 prototypes with different colorways and top pieces (for STD, WKL, and HHKB). I'll be doing different layouts on each build to show these differences.

Please keep following the progress on this board though! I'm definitely considering looking into split space.

EDIT: Forgot to mention Stepped Caps Lock
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: TonyPia on Mon, 13 April 2020, 19:31:04
:thumb: Yes please :) ISO and split space and i'm 100% in

Full disclosure: the prototype I've ordered has ISO support, but no split space atm :(

The supported alternative layouts my prototype I has is:
Standard ANSI layout
ISO Enter
Split Left Shift (ISO)
Split Right Shift
Split Backspace
Tsangan bottom row

I've ordered 3 prototypes with different colorways and top pieces (for STD, WKL, and HHKB). I'll be doing different layouts on each build to show these differences.

Please keep following the progress on this board though! I'm definitely considering looking into split space.

So this is doable with 2U backspace on top right?
(https://i.imgur.com/Wu53zLp.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 13 April 2020, 19:52:09
So this is doable with 2U backspace on top right?
More
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Wu53zLp.jpg)

Yes. And to clarify further, everything I mentioned that can be split of course can be configured as one key (not split), in which case it will be standard ANSI 60% sized.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 20 April 2020, 23:31:48
It's been silent for a while, so here's a quick update:

I asked the manufacturer last week how progress is going on the prototypes. They said that they are approaching finishing in terms of milling work, but they will need some more time for the surface treatment, so it is delayed a bit. However, they sent me some photos of where it's at now.

(https://i.imgur.com/KUD2jfD.jpg)

Here's a link to the whole album. (https://imgur.com/a/pzhnQDi)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 21 April 2020, 00:57:27
Looking promising!  Plate is in backwards... silly manu.   :p

Still wish the top bezel was 1mm taller.  Not a fan of seeing the switches peaking out from the bottom of the keycaps
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: MadsMe on Tue, 21 April 2020, 09:00:29
OMG yes... This is soo good looking. I coulnd't help but feel a bit proud of you, considering this is your first board! Can't wait for it to be finished!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Tue, 21 April 2020, 15:26:06
Looking promising!  Plate is in backwards... silly manu.   :p

Still wish the top bezel was 1mm taller.  Not a fan of seeing the switches peaking out from the bottom of the keycaps

Damn, I'm impressed. You have sharp eyes - this was actually one of the things I was a bit concerned about. However, I did increase the height of the top bezel by about 1.0-1.5mm (I don't remember which tbh) between the renders in the original post and what I submitted to the manu be produced. Also the gap I left on either side of the gasket mounting tabs was made to be 1.5mm, though I'm planning on using 1/16 in silicone sheet as the raw material for the gaskets - which is 1.5875mm (I made the gap smaller to account for compression).

These are obviously tiny numbers but hopefully they add up to account for that gap you were talking about. All these changes should be reflected in this batch of renders:  https://imgur.com/a/71ZCZcn (https://imgur.com/a/71ZCZcn)

Not sure which render/image you spotted the gap in, but could you check the updated renders to see if you think it's successfully addressed?

I'll definitely take note of this too when I build out the protos and make sure it doesn't turn out ugly.

EDIT: Oh, I see what you mean even on the new renders. I'll look into it and might make another revision depending on how the proto ends up looking, and I'll post a few pictures comparing this feature to some of my other boards.

OMG yes... This is soo good looking. I coulnd't help but feel a bit proud of you, considering this is your first board! Can't wait for it to be finished!

Thanks! <3
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: BigBabyJesus on Sat, 25 April 2020, 16:11:58
Holy Heck! This is crazy good looking!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: BigBabyJesus on Sat, 25 April 2020, 16:45:20
Is this the only place I can follow updates? The Polycarbonate one is sooo beautiful!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: zandegran on Sun, 26 April 2020, 15:00:54
It's stunning. why go all the way to have a gasket mount and not do a leaf spring mount? just asking and planning to buy without it as well  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 27 April 2020, 01:56:47
Is this the only place I can follow updates? The Polycarbonate one is sooo beautiful!

At the moment. Updates are a bit slow atm, as I'm patiently waiting for some manufacturing stuff. I might make a Discord to follow along when there will be more updates.

It's stunning. why go all the way to have a gasket mount and not do a leaf spring mount? just asking and planning to buy without it as well  ;)

Mostly just cause I haven't personally owned a leaf spring mount yet, so I don't know if I like it personally yet and also that means I don't have a reference on hand to base the design on.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: BigBabyJesus on Mon, 27 April 2020, 02:00:05
Is this the only place I can follow updates? The Polycarbonate one is sooo beautiful!

At the moment. Updates are a bit slow atm, as I'm patiently waiting for some manufacturing stuff. I might make a Discord to follow along when there will be more updates.

Great. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: mcRewind on Mon, 27 April 2020, 02:30:03
Definitely count me in. Unique design, and I would be more than happy to hold some cash until your (hopeful) GB!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: kema on Tue, 28 April 2020, 22:13:02
FF looks absolutely amazing on it, looking forward to this!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Wed, 29 April 2020, 04:44:43
Got some updates from the manufacturer! The prototypes will be shipped out to me tomorrow, and will probably arrive in roughly a week from then.

Here's a few photos from the manufacturer:
https://imgur.com/a/IUDBCi5 (https://imgur.com/a/IUDBCi5)

Long story ahead, but here's a TLDR: The manufacturer mentioned there some minor fitting issues on this prototype which aren't critical but are kinda lame, because my tolerances are too tight and because physics (maybe?). I'll still be accepting this first prototype to check out if it's otherwise good, and I'll be making a second prototype which loosens up the tolerances before moving to GB, which should hopefully be perfect.

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There were some issues with fitting the parts together after applying the surface finishes, which I was pretty surprised about, since I left about a 0.15mm gap between any parts that needed to fit together, which I thought would be plenty more than enough space given what I looked up about PVD and E-Coat thicknesses. So why is there interference? Here's what I think.

The anodized finished part did not have any issues with fitting, and there were no fitting issues with the parts before surface treatment, so this interference is certainly from the coatings. My first though was that perhaps they weren't actually using an E-Coat, and perhaps a thicker powder coating (which I thought still would fit). However, I gave them a call with a translator who said that the word they used for electrophoresis in Chinese was distinctly that, and wouldn't have been simply confused with something else.

The interference is pretty minor, as they said the parts can still be assembled together, but it might result in some scratching (only on interior parts anyway) and it might be hard to disassemble. They offered to polish down the PVD parts to make it fit better, but it might damage the finish - I agreed to have one of them polished down as a sacrifice, and have the others shipped as normal (the anodized had no problems anyway).

They ended up polishing it and actually didn't have any issues with the finish. This next Imgur album shows the parts that they polished (this is after it has been buffed down). Interestingly, the areas they marked that had interference were all at the corners of the plate, and also they verbally mentioned that a few of the slots where the rear weight fins fit into were also areas of interference. I double checked my design, and the gap at these areas were uniform with the other gaps (0.15mm) - so if the design is sound, does that mean that the coating tends to be thicker in these areas?

https://imgur.com/a/IUDBCi5 (https://imgur.com/a/IUDBCi5)

I think that is actually the case, and kind of makes sense. Sputter deposition (http://www.semicore.com/what-is-sputtering) is a common method of applying PVD, which as far as I understand involves electrically charging the object being coated. And as we know, E-Coat also electrically charges the target object for deposition. My theory is that these methods which involves electrically charging the keyboard might be the culprit.

As we have observed in other parts of the world, we know that electric charges tend to concentrate around sharp edges (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.125.5503&rep=rep1&type=pdf). Similar to a lightning rod, sharp edges on the keyboard may hold a higher charge than other parts, and of course there can be some additional irregularities due to factors such as where the electrodes were attached, etc. My theory is that this results in these types of coatings being thicker at the corners, which is why there is interference at the intersection of corners.

If anyone who has experience with this has any ideas on if this seems legit, please let me know what you think.

In any case, the bottom line is that my tolerances are too tight. I will still be accepting this round of prototypes to see if the quality and finish looks good, and also to see if the keyboard generally feels good (weight distribution, etc.). Of course, I don't want any surprises or potential fitting issues with the production run - so I'm planning on ordering another prototype which will have revised tolerances, and perhaps design changes if the first prototypes reveal the need to make any. This probably won't take as long to produce as the first prototype run, since the manufacturer now has the workholdings needed to make the keyboard, and the surface treatment figured out.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 29 April 2020, 08:49:16
Welp, there go my wallet's content. :confused:

Seriously though, this is probably the first 60% that has me crazy excited. Looks amazing man.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Glueeater on Wed, 29 April 2020, 12:25:17
Super excited about this - hoping the polycarbonate options happen - but your black/rose render looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: switchnollie on Wed, 29 April 2020, 13:43:02
Liking the flatbar for finger boarding :cool:

Cool seeing boards stray from the brick shape.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: zandegran on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:38:55
Read your long story. Yes the whole of it  :) Makes lot of sense.
So, my understanding is you have 2 options
1. have separate manufacturing process. You don't want to have this as this may spoil the symmetry of the process and cause more headache down the line.
2. Adjust the tolerances and compromise the fitting for anodised finishes.

Can't we live with the current version if the adjustment of polycarbonate ones is working. I hope you will have better answer once you have the prototypes in hand. Also, who knows, Increasing the tolerances might not be visible. I will let you be the better judge of it.

Disclaimer: I'm planning to buy the Aluminium ones.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Wed, 29 April 2020, 17:52:56
Liking the flatbar for finger boarding :cool:

Lol, I really like that idea.

Read your long story. Yes the whole of it  :) Makes lot of sense.
So, my understanding is you have 2 options
1. have separate manufacturing process. You don't want to have this as this may spoil the symmetry of the process and cause more headache down the line.
2. Adjust the tolerances and compromise the fitting for anodised finishes.

Can't we live with the current version if the adjustment of polycarbonate ones is working. I hope you will have better answer once you have the prototypes in hand. Also, who knows, Increasing the tolerances might not be visible. I will let you be the better judge of it.

Disclaimer: I'm planning to buy the Aluminium ones.

Yeah, I'm pretty much leaning towards #2 at the moment. I think having the separate manufacturing process probably counts as a different part with the manufacturing, considering my WKL/HHKB/STD layout cases already count as separate parts, so I'd like to avoid this.

I think the interference issue is pretty minor from the sound of it - I mean it does still technically fit together already, but it's practically a press fit. So that makes me think the coating is barely thick enough to cause interference. I'm not planning on adding a huge amount of tolerance, so it should still look pretty clean even with anodization. I think having these first prototypes in hand will help answer a lot of these questions.

Super excited about this - hoping the polycarbonate options happen - but your black/rose render looks great!

I'm not sure if I'll have polycarbonate options based on what I've seen in the results so far. I'll review them again soon and reconsider though. If I do end up having them, the two finishes that I proposed will probably just be consolidated into one - I'll have to see what the manufacturer is capable of, so that there aren't so many options (to keep costs lower).
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard
Post by: Nostril on Wed, 06 May 2020, 16:16:50
Hey guys!

Huge update: Today I will be showing you the first ever seen photos of the plate installed in the correct orientation.

In all seriousness, I've received the case prototypes. I still am waiting on the motherboard PCB, but I have received the daughterboard PCBs. I have assembled one set of parts as much as I can (it doesn't have a motherboard PCB or stabilizers though).

Here's a nice shot of the prototype.
(https://i.imgur.com/WCwBbBm.jpg)

Please check out this photo album for more. Sorry if these aren't the most glamorous photos (there are some though) - I am deliberately trying to highlight the issues I've found in these photos, which I'm sure you'll appreciate as well.

https://imgur.com/a/W3MU8Cr (https://imgur.com/a/W3MU8Cr)

Now, I'll get to my thoughts on how everything turned out.

Complaints/Issues:
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I think design-wise, there are only a few minor issues, that I can list out on one hand:
  • Gap between the border keys and the inside wall of the case is too narrow
  • USB port cutout can be bigger
  • Loosen up some tolerances
  • Not an issue but this is on my bucketlist for design changes - I'm gonna try to add split spacebar support to the plate

Now, in terms of manufacturing - I want to be completely candid with everyone that there are plenty of issues. I ordered 3 sets of parts, with 3 colors - E-White, E-Black, natural aluminum color/silver (clear ano), and for the PVD parts - Nickel (silver), Gold, and Rose Gold.

The silver came out pretty nice - there are some marks on the finish but I think the overall look was mostly achieved. The PVD Gold and Rose Gold finish is amazing quality (this was outsourced by the manu), however what I'm referring to Rose Gold actually came out as basically a copper brown color (it is still very high quality though, but not what I wanted).

Okay - now onto the bad stuff with the finishing. The E-Coat White looks like ass. On the E-White, there are many marks particularly on the interior and in crevices which look like oil stains or something, as if the part wasn't cleaned before coating, and also straight up some noticible and large missed spots on the white. The E-Coat Black is better, and doesn't really have missed spots as far as I could tell, but has things like what looks like a bubble under the paint near the logo, and also what appears to be scratches after the coating was finished. Now for the PVD Nickel - these parts I literally thought were made of steel at first, but upon closer inspection they are definitely coated brass. It also seems to have a machine finish and isn't polished at all. Like I mentioned before, the manu mentioned some fitting issues - and said they can "reprocess the parts" though it might cause scratching - I think that's what they did with these PVD Nickel parts. At least they fit easily.

Here is what I will change to make the finish better in future iterations:
  • Explicitly tell the manu to clean the parts before coating
  • Bead-blast the parts before E-Coating
  • Switch from 6061 Aluminum to 6063

The machining has some problems too - there are some weird spots where features appear to be added or wrong - though all of these are on the interior. Here are the main weird things with the machining:
  • The HHKB has a weird protrusion on the interior off the blocker that fits perfectly into the switch cutout on the plate. It's a weird added feature that I double checked did not exist in my original design, so I'm not sure how this was added.
  • The bottom 2 screw holes are supposed to be counterbored, with the head diameter going partially through. They made this with the head diameter going through the whole BottomChassis so those holes will be unusable without some weird workarounds
  • Idk if this counts as machining or is just a shipping issue or something - but one of the rear weights (the rose gold) is straight up warped. I don't know how it's possible to warp something that thick so I think this must have happened before shipping.
  • The bent rods have kinda inconsistent angles and hole centering


Prototype impressions:
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With all of these complaints being said, let me talk about the prototype that is (mostly) assembled.

It looks amazing. It feels amazing too. To build it, I had to do a fair amount of work to thin the ends of the PVD Gold rod, but it came out nicely in the end. As I said earlier, the bottom two screw holes are nonfunctional, but it still feels very sturdy for only having 2/4 screws.

The prototype weighs in at 1761g - it's a fair amount of heft. Due to it's shape (obtuse angles make it slippery) and seamless design, it's kinda hard to pick up from the edges. It is easier to just grab it by the bar to lift, and then put your fingers under the bottom. Speaking about the bar - it is very rigid in the up-and-down motion, but can be flexed with a forward-to-back motion, but I wouldn't be concerned about doing any permanent bending to it unless you deliberately bend it while it is unassembled (it would be very difficult to do this assembled).

The USB port feels nice - the deep recession actually helps guide the plug in very easily. However, it is a tight fit with most cables, and one cable I have with a larger plug it doesn't fit at all. As mentioned earlier, I will widen this up.


Here's my tenative plan going forward:

Of course, I will still be waiting for those motherboard PCBs to come and finish up the silver and gold prototype I assembled.

I'll be working on those planned design changes that will hopefully address some issues and make life a bit easier for the manufacturer.

I think the problems that I've seen here are beyond this manufacturer's capabilities to fix, so I will look for another manufacturer. While it is enough to help me debug some issues as a prototype, I simply don't think this is workable into production-level quality. I already have some quotes from before that I need to see if they are still valid, and I'll order some prototypes from another manufacturer. However, I won't be ordering three at a time like I did with this run - I'll just order one HHKB in E-White with PVD Rose Gold since I think this is the most difficult finish to pull off.

Depending on which manufacturer I end up with, the price at GB might go up. I'll let you guys know more details on this when it becomes more clear.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 07 May 2020, 07:57:36
"I'm gonna try to add split spacebar support to the plate"

 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

HHKB and split space on top of the killer aesthetics... shut up and take my money. All of it.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: Agilr on Thu, 07 May 2020, 07:59:15
OH my GOD that proto looks sick...

This is a must have for sure now!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: MadsMe on Thu, 07 May 2020, 13:36:32
Thank you for the very detailed and honest prototype review. Makes me super confedent in your process going forward!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: productkun on Thu, 07 May 2020, 13:38:00
Prototypes look great so far!
The part of the rose gold and Copper made me chuckle hehe
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: locxu on Sun, 17 May 2020, 12:08:39
Reserved
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 18 May 2020, 00:59:05
Progress has been a bit slow this last week because I've been actually been busy with moving (from LA to Seattle). Here's some updates nonetheless:

I still haven't received the PCBs so I contacted the PCB manu a few days ago to ask what's up with that. It sounds like they were moving facilities and lost the PCBs during that - so they are just giving me a full refund for now. Not the worst thing ever - at least I can try putting all the new design changes like support for the new layouts in the reorder.

Speaking of the new layouts, as I said earlier - I would look into split space support. Here's what I came up with:
- A split enter option - 1u+1.25u - cause why not
- A 3-way split spacebar bottom row - 2.75u+1u+2.25u (reference (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/cbecd5c99a6436ca1613d548d29c370b)) - should be pretty easy to find keys that will fit this arrangement, and it adds a lot of functionality
- A 2-way split spacebar bottom row - 2.75u+2.75u (reference (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/8341a5bfdd3f28dbf5cf7c7d665acde1)) - getting two 2.75u's might be hard, but it's certainly possible and I think this just looks so balanced and aesthetically pleasing to me

Other new design changes are also implemented in the design. Namely:
- Standard gap size increased slightly
- Bar diameter increased slightly
- USB port cutout raised and widened
- Increased margin on main cutout for keys (this increases the whole keyboard footprint by the same amount)
- Increased standard chamfer size slightly

In terms of what I have left to do, it's just redoing some of the technical drawings to reflect these changes, as well as the reference renders and specifications document to submit to the new manufacturer. I should be on track to submit all of this stuff this week.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 18 May 2020, 01:42:16
"A 3-way split spacebar bottom row - 2.75u+1u+2.25u (reference) - should be pretty easy to find keys that will fit this arrangement, and it adds a lot of functionality"

I would think this is the ideal approach
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 18 May 2020, 08:47:27
"A 3-way split spacebar bottom row - 2.75u+1u+2.25u (reference) - should be pretty easy to find keys that will fit this arrangement, and it adds a lot of functionality"

I would think this is the ideal approach

Oh sorry, I wasn't clear. Current plan is to try and make all the of these mentioned layouts available on the same PCB/plate.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: zandegran on Mon, 18 May 2020, 08:52:21
Awesome! I like the split space at and thicker bar change
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: ryaneezy on Mon, 18 May 2020, 14:54:03
Oooo this is a super unique design. Loving the rose gold and heat sinks. Only thing I would change is the for the usb c to not be centered. Personally I think it would go great coming out the left back. Anyway, can’t wait for GB!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: Ptaty on Sat, 23 May 2020, 08:12:45
This keyboard looks absolutely amazing, great job with it so far! The interest check form keeps bugging out for me, so hopefully I'm not disadvantaged when this does go to group buy. I would most definitely be interested in purchasing this beauty. I created a geekhack profile just to show appreciation for how awesome I think this is!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: Nostril on Sat, 23 May 2020, 16:20:31
Thanks all!

Quick update: I finished the preparations for the drawings and specifications on revision 2 and have sent out some emails to some manufacturers. Just waiting on replies.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: thestateofmay on Sat, 23 May 2020, 17:06:44
Please consider HHKB PC.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: theside123 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 22:12:22
when gb start?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: GaNeBaL on Thu, 28 May 2020, 11:35:49
any chance for diff plate materials or halfplates?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: Nostril on Thu, 28 May 2020, 12:44:27
when gb start?

Haven't gotten that far yet, but there will be more details on it when I know. If you want to leave an email on the interest form, I'll let let everyone on there know the details once it's figured out.

any chance for diff plate materials or halfplates?

I've been leaning mostly toward just having the one option to keep costs lower. I'm open to releasing plate files after the GB though.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: productkun on Fri, 29 May 2020, 06:49:15
Will we get renders with the new revision? :)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard - First Prototype Received
Post by: Nostril on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:43:16
Will we get renders with the new revision? :)

I'll update the renders this weekend!   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: Nostril on Mon, 01 June 2020, 04:25:21
I placed orders from a new manufacturer and reordered the PCBs. The quoted lead time is 15 business days, so hopefully I'll receive the prototype by June 22nd.

On a side note, I'm looking into those polycarb options again, but no promises as of now.

Also added new renders to the original post.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: thestateofmay on Mon, 01 June 2020, 15:49:03
Wait my bad it already comes with HHKB layout. Any chance it'll come iwith half plate and/or PC plate options?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: Nostril on Tue, 02 June 2020, 03:45:56
Wait my bad it already comes with HHKB layout. Any chance it'll come iwith half plate and/or PC plate options?

I won't be ordering other plate layouts through the manufacturer, for the purposes of keeping prices lower for the GB. I'll release the plate files after GB though, but people will have to get these produced on their own. Stay tuned though, as I do have some ideas regarding this and I might have something to announce later.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: Glueeater on Mon, 08 June 2020, 18:52:10
Polycarb renders look sick - hope it happens :)
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: Maxferfra on Wed, 24 June 2020, 11:22:09
This keyboard looks amazing!! how can I sign up for a spot in the group buy?
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: zoo on Wed, 24 June 2020, 11:38:57
Looks good! Feel like the backweight could use more fins, though.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: Nostril on Sat, 27 June 2020, 03:13:11
This keyboard looks amazing!! how can I sign up for a spot in the group buy?

Working on more details at the moment - I have some more significant changes in the works. Feel free to fill out the interest check form on the original post, and you can leave an email to be notified about GB / availability details when that's finalized.
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: santela on Sat, 27 June 2020, 11:09:55
Wow, this is definitely one of the more interesting designs I've seen in a long while. Not even sure if this is for me, but I might jump on it just for how different it looks from all the other keyboards. Great work!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: Ptaty on Mon, 29 June 2020, 15:09:02
Glad to see this project is coming along, I've been supporting it since the start! Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing its culmination and hopefully purchasing one for myself!
Title: Re: [IC] Synth Labs 060 - a Gasket-Mounted 60% keyboard (New Renders 06/01/2020)
Post by: MadsMe on Mon, 29 June 2020, 17:01:31
Glad to see this project is coming along, I've been supporting it since the start! Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing its culmination and hopefully purchasing one for myself!

Echo!