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Title: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 30 April 2020, 17:06:13
HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS

The stars align! After a pretty intensive IC phase with lots of fertile discussions, we have finally reached the GB phase. Oh and btw, new name! SKB (Simple Keyboard) is no more, it's a Heavy Metal Keyboard now (or HMKB). To make the whole GB process easier for all of us, I set up a shop. A discord channel is also available now. BUT PLEASE, before you do anything, take your time and read this start post including the FAQ - because 95% of the time it helps all the time ;)

Renders

HMKB-60 Standard with GMK Dark

(https://i.imgur.com/dKsyFY0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/MTNs4ky.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5NfjDGe.png)

HMKB-60 HHKB stainless steel with GMK Ashes

(https://i.imgur.com/Q4aZsNm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ibZfbyQ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3n21Ozs.png)

HMKB-65 with Dolch

(https://i.imgur.com/ar0sFhP.png) (https://i.imgur.com/jyidCcF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xV6RP8y.png)

HMKB-65 with GMK TARO R2

(https://i.imgur.com/iTw5bZJ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/EW2pcAP.png) (https://i.imgur.com/uecpy2o.png) (https://i.imgur.com/qSY40y5.png)

HMKB-75 with GMK Nautilus R2

(https://i.imgur.com/kG3DChg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/KWVf0Au.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Jfwi6ol.png) (https://i.imgur.com/E04Ndns.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2CWYd4M.png) (https://i.imgur.com/8Q0Bysl.png)

HMKB-75 with GMK Ashes

(https://i.imgur.com/4j87zil.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QZZnSAN.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ye2d3dX.png) (https://i.imgur.com/v6oU0bx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/uf1dfEc.png)

HMKB-80 WKL with OG Cherry caps & RGB Modifier

(https://i.imgur.com/oMkYEsk.png) (https://i.imgur.com/adudkc4.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ZCrnSlY.png) (https://i.imgur.com/lWRa7Kb.png)

HMKB-80 with WoB

(https://i.imgur.com/ipLbXll.png) (https://i.imgur.com/d6IgZQz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/g7tdebk.png)

HMKB-95 with GMK 9009 (almost, because R0)

(https://i.imgur.com/QDnhqR9.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5ErEHso.png) (https://i.imgur.com/rVR5IEr.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2KIpc8R.png)

HMKB-40
there are a few in the IC thread, soon more...

Photos

RAL1013

(https://i.imgur.com/hEBuqQj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/UiVJnjc.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/FHZCAaa.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/JKl5pZb.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/J9aGd28.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/SA1miq1.jpg)

Stainless Steel

(https://i.imgur.com/txua2tS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/j2p6W0X.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2oTySU4.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/RIsQ6Xj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/h9ufsNe.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/OSS7OLS.jpg)

More photos

(https://i.imgur.com/nOUK6b3.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kOuuzyM.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/M1j7Nu9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TvVrziA.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/He508jU.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/QnYaIRO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SGp0g2S.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/BEQHXtJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ReRRbft.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UvAiwiv.jpg)

About

This is a mechanical keyboard enclosure made from bent sheet metal. After being laser cut, a big precision bending machine (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/biegemaschinen/trubend-serie-5000/) forms the sheet metal part into its final shape. Top and bottom steel parts form an extremely tough and heavy enclosure that rests firmly on your desk.
The plate that holds the switches is top mounted which is obviously revealed by the penetrating bolts. TPE grommets are used to fully isolate the plate from the bolts and the enclosure, which results in a more enjoyable typing experience.
The typing angle is adjustable by a mono leg, made of metal and attached by bolts. This ensures the case top stand rock solid at all of the four possible angles: 6, 8, 10 and 12 degrees.
The big bezels are a deliberate choice and provide a well spaced frame for the key caps.
Powder coating (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating) is a very robust, technical coating. It has a grainy texture wich is called fine structure. Beige, grey, black and yellow are the available color options.
Apart from these powder coated versions there is also a stainless steel version. It is bead blasted V2A steel.

Designed and made in Germany.

Sizes and versions

(https://i.imgur.com/bBupViv.jpg)

Specifications

Colors

Included

Pricing

See the prices in the shop. Here are some basics:

Timeline

I assume a sufficient amount orders will be reached after one month. Order should be placed in the following month. Production should take at least two months, four months at max. Then the shipping starts and it will take at least one more month until the last package will be shipped.

Expected shipping Q3 2020

Updates

the whole start post including the FAQ will be updated over time. To be most up to date you should join the discord server. Here I will only post the most important milestones.

FAQ

Q: What is included?
A: The case, plate, PCB and accessories like nuts, bolts and grommets.

Q: Who developed the PCBs?
A: Maartenwut.

Q: But I already have a PCB, can I get an HMKB without it?
A: Yes, the 60% versions are available without PCB, that's "HMKB-60s" in the shop. All other sizes are only available as kit, PCB included.

Q: Boardwalk PCB?
A: The Boardwalk PCB is the only one you'll have to get elsewhere. It's sold via MKUltra. You need to ask Silentreader regarding a Euro proxy.

Q: YAS62 PCB?
A: I have very few left from my last GB. They are the only reason a SKB2 YAS version will be made.If you already have a YAS PCB and want a new case for it, you can get the HMKB-60-YAS without the PCB, you can find it in the shop under "HMKB-60s".

Q: RGB?
A: Please leave!

Q: Hotswap?
A: No, Maarten's PCBs don't support hot swap.

Q: Can I use another PCB?
A: Yes, if you prefer a different PCB (maybe because of hot swap capability) you can do so. SKB2 is a top mount construction, so you don't need to care about screw hole compatibility. Just make sure the USB port is at the correct position. I tried a hot swap PCB, it fits, no problem.

Q: Other colors?
A: There was a long discussion about which colors and which specific RAL tone. It's beige, grey, black, yellow and stainless steel. Nothing else.

Q: Powder coating, what is that?
A: It's a durable type of technical coating. It's like baked into the metal. Google it!

Q: Only this Geekhack IC thread? Am I missing something? Discord, Instagram, anything else?
A: During the IC phase all was happening in the Geekhack thread only. Since the start of the GroupBuy, a discord server is available.

Q: What about social media?
A: No, I don't do social media at all but I don't mind if you share information about HMKB on social media, provided you link to "www.heavymetalkeyboards.com".

Q: Will you offer plates made of other materials than steel or brass?
A: No, only steel and brass.

Q: A custom plate?
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Just not right from the start, need a rest first, before I dive in to custom plate files.

Q: How long will the GB run?
A: About one month, I estimate until the end of may or start of june.

Q: Expecting any corona related delays?
A: The German manufacturer is operating normally at the moment. The Chinese company responsible for the PCBs is back to normal operation at this time. So I don't expect any corona related delays.

Q: So you do run a shop now, or what?
A: No! The store is simply a means to run the group buy more efficiently. I don't consider myself a shop operator.

Q: Will you have HMKBs in stock?
A: No, I'm not planning to hold stock, definitely not!

Q: Where is it made?
A: The keyboard case is entirely made in Germany. Only the PCBs are made in China.

Q: How can I help?
A: Use the banner in your signature or show your support with a post to let me know you like it. That makes me happy.

Q: Where are you from?
A: Frankfurt, Germany. GUDE!

Group Buy
HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS (https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/)
(among the first 100 orders, seven of the prototypes will be raffled)

Discord
JOIN (https://discord.gg/x9rVkNp)

Oblotzky, huge thanks for your help!

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:07:44
Approved :thumb:

PS, love the bent/industrial design!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: templa23 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:33:01
GB is finally here! Made a account and gonna wait for my early bird coupon before placing a order
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: wgsunrise on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:56:46
Very unique and beautiful boards which I have been following for quite some time.
I jumped in immediately once I saw the GB started.

Everyone can tell how responsible, dedicated and passionate PlastikSchnittstelle is by the frequency of his detailed reply in the IC thread.
I am glad that there is still a relatively affordable but special board on the market for people to choose.

I am sure that this GB is going to be very successful and the final product will be a gem to possess.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:02:13
GB is finally here! Made a account and gonna wait for my early bird coupon before placing a order

I'm in the same boat, early bird participant ready to join (just waiting for coupon).
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Harnak on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:05:34
So glad to finally see this group buy here! I love the aesthetic of the bent sheet metal! In for 1 beige 75% full right cluster. Thanks for running this and I hope you get a lot of orders!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Rew23 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:06:38
Board looks great. Very novel design with so many form factors and a great price. Definitely interested in grabbing one. One small typo in the about section "which" instead of "wich". Much respect and GLWS.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pott on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:46:06
Purchased a Beige 65% (for WoB) and a yellow 60% (for Nautilus).

Heavy Metal Keyboard is an awesome same for a huge metalhead like me. I'm very much looking forward to these, good luck!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: nasp on Fri, 01 May 2020, 02:00:23
What's happening with the 40%? There's brief mention of it but nothing more.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: vaf1en on Fri, 01 May 2020, 02:06:48
What's happening with the 40%? There's brief mention of it but nothing more.
It is such a superior layout that it needs not fight for more attention than it already has. ;)
That being set, here is a direct link (https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/collections/groupbuy/products/hmkb-40) to it.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: beekey on Fri, 01 May 2020, 03:11:29
Any pics from the inside? How about some typing video? How does it sound?

Update: found the IC https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.0)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 01 May 2020, 03:36:45
Nice shop, waiting for coupon to place order  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Fri, 01 May 2020, 04:02:02
Yeah, really complete GB. And the shop is very impressive too. Congratulations Plastik!
I'm also waiting for the coupon to place order.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Streep on Fri, 01 May 2020, 04:43:54
ordered one HMKB-60 HHKB stainless steel :D can't wait to have it  :thumb: :p
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: bryanwafu on Fri, 01 May 2020, 05:07:47
can we order extra grommets and bolts?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: voelzmo on Fri, 01 May 2020, 05:30:47
Wow, I have to say this is one of the most well-done ICs and group-buys I have ever seen! Awesome interaction in the IC thread, comprehensive information and constant updates in the OP. Great shop page showing all relevant things at a glance.

On top, this is a great keyboard at a very compelling price point. Definitely getting a 75% for GMK taro, this will be so nice 😍.

Thanks Plastik!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:16:03
Fantastic IC, flawless execution for the shop experience, well done. Grabbed a stainless 75% :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: catbus on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:17:14
This was a great IC! Placed an order for a 60s Boardwalk-A and a 40. Now just to wait for Q3 :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rinkaan on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:31:00
ordered a stainless with brass plate! second board of the month... ouch hahaha
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SihTzu on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:31:42
This is the second GB I have participated. This GB is well prepared and professional. It was a pleasure to place an order. Grabbed a black 95.  ;D

Thank you, Plastikschnittstelle!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:32:22
Help - would a 1800 Matt3o kit compatible with 65% with 2 blockers?

https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-dev-tty-keycap-set (https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-dev-tty-keycap-set)


Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: zhnu on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:36:17
Nice shop got a tkl banana.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Rexcramer on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:40:50
Got me a 75% stainless and 95% yellow (for GMK Nautilus of course). Impressed by the variety and also huge props for having such a clean website set up for the GB. Probably the best customer experience I have had in any GB so far.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:45:49
Yay, finally!  ;D

Just placed my order. :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Mekberg on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:49:50
I was already set to buy a stainless WKL TKL, but seeing the prices I jumped onboard for a beige 60 HHKB as well! :D

Also, it feels so great supporting a EU designer and EU production! Really looking forward both to this and to future products to come.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:52:08
Just waiting for early bird discount and then... maybe I even  get a 65 and 75 :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rabbbit on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:11:54
already in love 75

通过我的 OXF-AN10 上的 Tapatalk发言

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: kekstee on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:15:54
The new rubber mounting and plate looks excellent. Also nice switch to full steel to avoid the bending issues alu had.

So curious for one, but I already got a build with the first SKB here :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rondg on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:24:30
Any news for the early birds? Though I don't use 40%, some combinations already ran out of stock  :(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: benfrain on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:42:57
Finally, I'm going to own some precision German engineering :)

As soon as that early bird voucher hits my inbox I'm going to be all over this! Well done PlastikSchnittstelle!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: LilSmithers on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:50:51
Will this support the dz60 hotswap? For the 60% wkl case?
With the price tag, easily thinking this over the kbd67v2 that's about to he restocked!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: magicrobots on Fri, 01 May 2020, 08:35:16
Ah crumbs I'd totally order this if it came in white. :|
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Nim on Fri, 01 May 2020, 08:42:22
I very much approve of the new naming you went for! I'll be patiently waiting for this
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: honoka on Fri, 01 May 2020, 08:47:55
Any news for the early birds? Though I don't use 40%, some combinations already ran out of stock  :(
they are not out of stock, they just aren't enabled just yet. Plastik thought the interest was going to be low for 40%. if more people order them he will unlock the possibility to have it in stainless steel and probably also brass plate.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ChitownM2 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:23:49
I'm a little confused by the Yas62 options. I have a Yas62 PCB that I still never assembled.

I see that you say that you have some left, but if I choose the yas version of the HHKB-60, the price is the same as if i get any other 60%. Is there somewhere else I should be looking to indicate that I don't need a PCB that drops the price a little?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:27:42
Prices appear to be inclusive of VAT. Will this be deducted from final price for shipments outside the EU?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:30:39
Joined for 75% case and checked out but then remembered I needed the PCB and had to check out again.  Any chance I could get some of that shipping money back?  I sent you an email through the store with my order #
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DasGnome on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:38:01
Excellent price. Super happy to have grabbed a YAS layout. Most underrated 60% layout!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: honoka on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:40:48
Joined for 75% case and checked out but then remembered I needed the PCB and had to check out again.  Any chance I could get some of that shipping money back?  I sent you an email through the store with my order #
dude all 75% kits come with pcb.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:12:28
Joined for 75% case and checked out but then remembered I needed the PCB and had to check out again.  Any chance I could get some of that shipping money back?  I sent you an email through the store with my order #
dude all 75% kits come with pcb.

Yeah but I always get a backup in case I need to rebuild and things go awry
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: 2003987 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:19:02
At risk of going unemployed... will join if can keep my job
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: treeleaf64 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:22:33
At risk of going unemployed... will join if can keep my job

Good luck with your job.  :( Hope everything goes well.
As for me, I'm definitely buying this.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: kiyoboardasmr on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:35:00
When I woke up today, I wasn't planning on buying a keyboard  :) But such a unique project at this price, I got a WKL stainless steel  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: 2003987 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 11:13:54
At risk of going unemployed... will join if can keep my job

Good luck with your job.  :( Hope everything goes well.
As for me, I'm definitely buying this.

Thanks man, hope this corona thing goes away.... pretty stressful time
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 01 May 2020, 11:49:19
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Iamsosmrt on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:00:15
95% yellow (for GMK Nautilus of course)

I'm planning to do the same. The yellow fits so well with the nautilus look. And the 95% form factor is perfect to show of a lot of keys.

Currently I have an old cherry g80 1800 as a 95% board and have been looking for an affordable but more premium option in that form factor and this is it. After taxes and shipping it's even cheaper than the tkc1800 that I considered but didn't buy because it's really expensive for a painted plastic case.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: norb on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:17:18
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: KZzzz on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:35:25
Hi, can you post some dimensions of the 95% version (overall length/width etc.), as well as the size of the rectangular gap between the function cluster and number clusters? I am planning to make some custom vinyl stickers, and If I know the dimensions I can design around it. You don't have to disclose too much, but it would be nice to have some diagrams showing the general dimensions of the different cases. I would also appreciate if you can take a picture of the bottom of the case. Thanks, good luck with your GB!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: catamscott on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:35:30
have already got an SKB75, but for that price i might grab an HMKB60 too......  :p
site looks really great as well
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:41:57
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:42:56
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: LevelSteam on Fri, 01 May 2020, 13:28:16
These are amazing! I've been looking for a nice 75% at a reasonable price for a while now.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:16:37
IN.
Also, IN.
And a third plate, of course.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pcire on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:34:03
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

No rush, but can we enter the raffle in case you sell 100+ by the time we get the coupons?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: cadrev on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:35:28
Finally! Time to say goodbye to my savings, this + Nautilus.

Also can anyone confirm if the powder coat on the yellow is smooth or textured like in the IC picture? I'm thinking of just getting that stainless steel version cause I'm liking how smooth it is.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: StanleyLelnats on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:44:49
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

No rush, but can we enter the raffle in case you sell 100+ by the time we get the coupons?

Wondering this as well. Really want to place my order but waiting on my coupon
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Damage on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:53:34
In!

So many options. I'm doing a SSK clone type build with mine.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Magnificent Bureaucrat on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:58:44
Absolutely love the name change, I just jumped in for a 60% in black.

Seeing pictures of the beautiful bare metal 65% I was sorely tempted to go for a second. (Feels weird the word beautiful for such an industrial chunk of metal)

Kudos to Plastik for doing such a good job with the website :thumb: Looks really professional, particularly the animated diagram.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Banzai on Fri, 01 May 2020, 15:56:53
Love the new name! Just bought my beige HMKB75, and cannot wait to get it.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Fri, 01 May 2020, 16:32:45
Just wondering, when it comes to shipment, are they going to be shipped as per chronological order, ie starting from whoever placed the order first?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 01 May 2020, 17:13:09
Watched and saved. Ordering a HMKB-80 with an extra PCB in a few days.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 01 May 2020, 17:52:36
Still wondering about this...

Prices appear to be inclusive of VAT. Will this be deducted from final price for shipments outside the EU?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Nublit on Fri, 01 May 2020, 19:42:27
I preordered a HHKB layout in beige :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 01 May 2020, 19:57:00
Also can anyone confirm if the powder coat on the yellow is smooth or textured like in the IC picture? I'm thinking of just getting that stainless steel version cause I'm liking how smooth it is.
Powder coating is quite textured. Look at the prototype photos to get an idea.
The stainless steel model is also not entirely smooth... It's got less texture than powder coat models though.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: thedrov on Fri, 01 May 2020, 20:04:40
No tungsten option? I thought we were going to get HEAVY!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 01 May 2020, 21:13:10
No tungsten option? I thought we were going to get HEAVY!

I suspect the tungsten, titaniun and technetium case options are reserved for R3.  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 01 May 2020, 21:16:24
Please no, i love titanium.. my wallet already hurts enough.  :))
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 02 May 2020, 01:05:26
Have a render or a diagram for the backside final version?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: KMPLSV on Sat, 02 May 2020, 04:57:31
Nice shop, waiting for coupon to place order  :thumb:

i was about to order this as my first DIY kit. what is this coupon you speak of?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 02 May 2020, 04:59:56
Coupons are for those of us who helped paying the protos at different times in the IC process.
So it's for "early birds" only. Not for classic GB buyers.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Little4Real on Sat, 02 May 2020, 05:14:19
Will there ever be any plate files available? Would love to make an Alps/AEK 60 with the HMKB-60
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 02 May 2020, 06:02:52
There is a complete FAQ on the opening post.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Sat, 02 May 2020, 14:45:26
Nice presentation in the OP, that's a dedication! Also like the way web page shows all possible modifications and related info. Very well done! :thumb:

I think I will pick up one, but still not sure which, haha. They all are amazing. Good luck with GB!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: mchanneh on Sat, 02 May 2020, 15:40:55
I'm in for a black 75 full column! So good to see a Europe based GB!! Exciting!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: idkpotato117 on Sat, 02 May 2020, 15:41:23
Just ordered mine. Im very excited! This will be my first case group buy :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Motte on Sat, 02 May 2020, 15:51:36
Morjen from the rheinisch version of Bornheim!

I followed your IC loosely but now that your GB is live you caught my attention. The name change is very nice \m/
So now I'm considering wether to get a 75 or a 95. How wide are those versions?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:28:10
Hi, can you post some dimensions of the 95% version (overall length/width etc.), as well as the size of the rectangular gap between the function cluster and number clusters? I am planning to make some custom vinyl stickers, and If I know the dimensions I can design around it. You don't have to disclose too much, but it would be nice to have some diagrams showing the general dimensions of the different cases. I would also appreciate if you can take a picture of the bottom of the case. Thanks, good luck with your GB!

Morjen from the rheinisch version of Bornheim!

I followed your IC loosely but now that your GB is live you caught my attention. The name change is very nice \m/
So now I'm considering wether to get a 75 or a 95. How wide are those versions?

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

Here you go, sorry it took me a while:

[attach=1]

it's in mm btw :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:30:04
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

all earlybirds should have their giftcode email by now
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:33:50
Finally! Time to say goodbye to my savings, this + Nautilus.

Also can anyone confirm if the powder coat on the yellow is smooth or textured like in the IC picture? I'm thinking of just getting that stainless steel version cause I'm liking how smooth it is.

please take a look at the photos in the start post. they are high res and super sharp. these photos should give you a mutch better impression of the powder-coated and the stainless-steel-bead-blasted than I could describe with words.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:35:05
Just wondering, when it comes to shipment, are they going to be shipped as per chronological order, ie starting from whoever placed the order first?

I don't know yet.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:36:12
Still wondering about this...

Prices appear to be inclusive of VAT. Will this be deducted from final price for shipments outside the EU?

everybody pays the price that is shown there. nothing will be deducted.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:41:49
I'm a little confused by the Yas62 options. I have a Yas62 PCB that I still never assembled.

I see that you say that you have some left, but if I choose the yas version of the HHKB-60, the price is the same as if i get any other 60%. Is there somewhere else I should be looking to indicate that I don't need a PCB that drops the price a little?

yes, the 60% is the only size that you can get without a PCB, if you prefer. It wass called "HMKB 60s" in the beginning but since most don't seem to check what's behind that, I renamed it to "HMKB 60 no PCB". this should be a bit more obvious now :)
you can get a 60YAS version without the PCB there.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 02 May 2020, 18:22:48
everybody pays the price that is shown there. nothing will be deducted.

Thank you. And kudos for designing/producing a beautiful KB!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Sat, 02 May 2020, 18:31:07
Once you have installed the keyboard, do you know roughly how many mm is the space between the PCB and the bottom plate?
Asking to see how much foam we can put on the bottom to dampen the noise.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Insanto on Sat, 02 May 2020, 18:34:15
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

all earlybirds should have their giftcode email by now

i havent gotten mine yet?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 19:00:34
Once you have installed the keyboard, do you know roughly how many mm is the space between the PCB and the bottom plate?
Asking to see how much foam we can put on the bottom to dampen the noise.

since it is angled, the front edge of the pcb is very close to the bottom, at the rear end there is obviously more space. I can give you more specific numbers on monday.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 19:01:38
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

all earlybirds should have their giftcode email by now

i havent gotten mine yet?

please check your spam. if there is nothing either, I'll check tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: suspiciouscow on Sat, 02 May 2020, 20:10:53
i'm trying to order hmkb in yas/black/steel but the website says its out of stock. is that bc its bundled with the limited pcb's? if that's the case, how do i order one if i already have a pcb?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Sat, 02 May 2020, 20:11:50
Ordered a TKL w/ brass plate. Hoping this thing is H E A V Y
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: suspiciouscow on Sat, 02 May 2020, 20:55:03
i'm trying to order hmkb in yas/black/steel but the website says its out of stock. is that bc its bundled with the limited pcb's? if that's the case, how do i order one if i already have a pcb?

just kidding, i'm blind. i just saw the no pcb option
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: M4dn3ss on Sat, 02 May 2020, 23:55:42
Alps support, or compatibility with H87a PCBs?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: consumer on Sun, 03 May 2020, 00:18:46
Will a YAS PCB be available for order at some stage during this group buy?


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Sun, 03 May 2020, 03:40:53
Might have to buy another   :-\
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Insanto on Sun, 03 May 2020, 04:48:08
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

all earlybirds should have their giftcode email by now

i havent gotten mine yet?

please check your spam. if there is nothing either, I'll check tomorrow evening.


nah, war leider nix im spam
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: LilSmithers on Sun, 03 May 2020, 08:46:41
What 60% PCBs have been tested?
Want one for a break in board to main on my desk. Would like to use the dz60 hotswap when it's restocked. How well will that fit if at all?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 03 May 2020, 08:53:17
You'll find all your answers in the PCB part of the dedicated Discord server (see end of first post for the link)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 03 May 2020, 09:47:51
Hi,

This is for anyone who wants to see what a 60% wkl looks like.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Narcolepsy on Sun, 03 May 2020, 09:58:23
In for a black 95, looking forward to the board.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: alphabirth on Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:08:16
Yasss!  I'm stoked this is finally live! :D  I snagged a yellow boardwalk.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: foxtrap614 on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:29:40
I purchased the stainless steel 65% with 2 blockers. Thank you.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: fromjuanm on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:34:18
What is the average weight of the 60% case with brass plate? Looking to see how heavy this case will be.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:50:26
What is the average weight of the 60% case with brass plate? Looking to see how heavy this case will be.

please read the product page, all there.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:52:10
Alps support, or compatibility with H87a PCBs?

I've looked at the H87a. It appears to me it should be compatible, but I can't really say for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:50:09
Been following the IC for a while, put my order in for a 75% , looking forward to this  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: jauny on Sun, 03 May 2020, 20:07:31
Very excited to see happening! I just put in an order for a 75!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Sun, 03 May 2020, 22:04:16
Damn am I the only one ordering 65% with 2 blockers?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: jauny on Mon, 04 May 2020, 00:18:43
Sounds like a great choice too. I just like my F keys and arrows too much!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Mon, 04 May 2020, 00:57:21
Hi. Was wondering what the weight of the HMKB-80 would be w/ brass plate? The weight listed seems to be for the standard plate.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lz2019 on Mon, 04 May 2020, 01:08:38
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: honoka on Mon, 04 May 2020, 01:33:36
Hi. Was wondering what the weight of the HMKB-80 would be w/ brass plate? The weight listed seems to be for the standard plate.

Thanks!
if you compare the density of the two materials you will be able to determine if there is any real difference in weight. volume is constant.
If I remember correctly brass is just above 8000kg/m^3. steel is varies but is generally also close to that.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: beekey on Mon, 04 May 2020, 01:41:39
Thinking about stainless steel version and then polish it to shine. Did somebody else think about doing this?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 May 2020, 05:08:08
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.

I'm not really sure what you expect to see inside? There is just the plate and the PCB inside, noting else hides there. You can find another picture here, first page of the IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 May 2020, 05:11:21
Hi. Was wondering what the weight of the HMKB-80 would be w/ brass plate? The weight listed seems to be for the standard plate.

Thanks!

that difference is so tiny it is lost after rounding. the weight on the product page is therefore the same. maybe add about 0.05kg for the brass plate version.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 May 2020, 12:38:59
Most earlybirds got their gift code and used it. Anyone who hasn't got it jet, PM, DM or Email me.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Hell-es on Mon, 04 May 2020, 13:40:43
 :thumb: already used for stainles TKL - thank for the code and the gb
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ponchofreedo on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:00:33
curious...why no esd protection for the pcb?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:06:22
Maartenwut PCB are all ESD protected (and fuse). What are you talking about ? Did you check the actual GB shop?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ponchofreedo on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:19:14
Maartenwut PCB are all ESD protected (and fuse). What are you talking about ? Did you check the actual GB shop?

i was in the shop, but i thought i read in the features that they didnt have them. i think i just read it too fast and combined it with the line below about no in-switch LEDs. my mistake.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:20:42
I don't blame you. I do it often myself.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 05 May 2020, 11:58:28
Wow, very thoughtful and detailed GB info, and nice presentation too. I'm in for a board!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: beekey on Tue, 05 May 2020, 14:07:27
Somebody thinking of polishing the stainless steel?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Insanto on Tue, 05 May 2020, 14:35:31
Beige 80% wkl for me wohoo \o/

I'm gonna call it the Model N
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: bliss on Tue, 05 May 2020, 14:55:23
When I woke up today, I wasn't planning on buying a keyboard  :) But such a unique project at this price, I got a WKL stainless steel  :thumb:

Same here. HMKB-80.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: andreisd on Wed, 06 May 2020, 01:27:50
Hello, thank you for the excellent GB! Question: Bolts on all renders/photos they are black. What a bit sticking contrast on Beige/Yellow boards. Is there a chance to get yellow bolts for yellow keeb and beige bolts for beige keeb?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lz2019 on Wed, 06 May 2020, 02:01:40
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.

I'm not really sure what you expect to see inside? There is just the plate and the PCB inside, noting else hides there. You can find another picture here, first page of the IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764

That fills the gap in my mind I guess, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: andreisd on Wed, 06 May 2020, 02:34:56
What kind of stabilizers possible to install?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Wed, 06 May 2020, 02:39:01
Classic PCB mount Stabs.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Wed, 06 May 2020, 19:07:31
Hello, thank you for the excellent GB! Question: Bolts on all renders/photos they are black. What a bit sticking contrast on Beige/Yellow boards. Is there a chance to get yellow bolts for yellow keeb and beige bolts for beige keeb?
Plastik has previously stated his preference for the black bolts. And IMO, they look nice being black.


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: wing1098 on Thu, 07 May 2020, 04:28:28
when will the group buy end?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: chris_1865 on Thu, 07 May 2020, 05:00:52
2 95% and 1 extra pcb :thumb:
Can't wait for receving the kit!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: funkmon on Thu, 07 May 2020, 06:53:26
Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: malde on Thu, 07 May 2020, 07:47:54
when will the group buy end?
Since reading is hard, I'll give you a second try by copying directly from the FAQ in the OP:

Q: How long will the GB run?
A: About one month, I estimate until the end of may or start of june.


Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.

You'll always read something in the likes of "just solder it, it isn't hard". Which is actually true, first I was afraid of doing it myself, but after the first few switches you'll notice it actually is pretty easy.
On the other hand, depending on where you are located, there is probably a makerspace or some community member around who'll assist or do it for/with you.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Azurewrath on Thu, 07 May 2020, 10:24:51
Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.
As malde already said, of course you can pay someone local or try to get help from someone for this. But then again, soldering isn't hard and it's a handy skill to have. You also don't need much for a small project like soldering on a few switches:
- soldering iron (The Miniware ones are really good and inexpensive portable/beginner irons. TS80 if you have a USB Quickcharge Power Bank or charger and TS100 if you prefer barrel jacks and more power.)
- solder wire (0.5 to 1mm, leaded is easier if you can still get it)
- some isopropyl alcohol and an old toothbrush to clean the flux residue
That's it.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: funkmon on Thu, 07 May 2020, 23:01:14
Oh man, where am I going to buy a toothbrush?! This sounds hard! :P.

Okay, I'm going to see if I can apprehend a soldering iron in the coming weeks and give it a go, or find some nerd who'll do it for me for like $50. I'll be back with an update.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Insanto on Fri, 08 May 2020, 02:00:18
don't get leaded solder, as a beginner i doubt you'll have the ventilation to suck all the smoke away.. and you don't wanna get braindamage
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: danieljgrouse on Fri, 08 May 2020, 02:20:37
You... won’t get brain damage from leaded solder. The fumes are the same as for non leaded solder, it’s rosin. You’d have to be heating the solder to impossible temps to get lead fumes. Your not getting any lead into your system unless you’re licking the solder. Lead free solder will require higher temperatures, you’re more likely to want to use flux, and in general it will be slightly more difficult for a newbie.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Raptor_N60 on Fri, 08 May 2020, 12:11:00
Missed the YAS62 gb, any chance of making another run? :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:30:07
I can't find the post, but I'm pretty sure someone asked about the height at the front.
Look:

[attach=1]

Front edge of the keycap and front edge of the case. Distance to ground, feet included.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:34:27
Missed the YAS62 gb, any chance of making another run? :confused: :confused:

Sorry, that's it with YAS. It is no more.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:39:29
Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.

Just in case you do learn how to solder, you will be disappointed. Because if I remember correctly, when I learned it, I did not feel any cooler than before :(

If not:
There are quite a few who offer to build you the the keyboard for commission. What I have seen, I say, they all do e very good job and they wor is worth every penny.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CustomerSupport on Fri, 08 May 2020, 20:44:47
Debating getting the HMKB-80 in Black or Yellow, but regardless I'll be ordering one as a birthday present to myself.

Super stoked
Title: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 09 May 2020, 07:21:14
In for a black HMKB60 (HHKB) without a PCB. Do hope DZ60/YD60MQ will fit alright.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 09 May 2020, 07:23:49
Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.

Just in case you do learn how to solder, you will be disappointed. Because if I remember correctly, when I learned it, I did not feel any cooler than before :(

If not:
There are quite a few who offer to build you the the keyboard for commission. What I have seen, I say, they all do e very good job and they wor is worth every penny.
Soldering is a boring skill, gets old pretty quickly. Desoldering ... is still so much fun for me as all I have is a solder sucker pump thing, no fancy FR301 desoldering stations (cause they are vvv expensive).

My current score is 2 PCBs ruined and 1 preserved lol
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CorePrime on Sat, 09 May 2020, 13:38:15
Hi.  Noob here.  So if I buy tkl with brass plate, I assume I need to purchase plate mount switches & stabilizers, correct?   I thought I read someone said pcb mount.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 May 2020, 14:02:18
Hi.  Noob here.  So if I buy tkl with brass plate, I assume I need to purchase plate mount switches & stabilizers, correct?   I thought I read someone said pcb mount.

Your stabilizers need to be PCB mount for this. The switches can be plate or PCB mount. The only difference between these is that the PCB mount versions have extra two little legs that help them stick into the PCB. You should always get PCB mount switches with the extra two legs, even if they are held in a plate. Don't bother about "plate mount switches".
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CustomerSupport on Sat, 09 May 2020, 14:56:43
Hi.  Noob here.  So if I buy tkl with brass plate, I assume I need to purchase plate mount switches & stabilizers, correct?   I thought I read someone said pcb mount.

Your stabilizers need to be PCB mount for this. The switches can be plate or PCB mount. The only difference between these is that the PCB mount versions have extra two little legs that help them stick into the PCB. You should always get PCB mount switches with the extra two legs, even if they are held in a plate. Don't bother about "plate mount switches".

Great comment; to expand on the "why", if you have PCB mount switches but end up needing plate-mount switches, you can easily clip the extra legs off.

If the reverse is true (have plate-mount switches for a PCB mount setup) the switches are incompatible.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 May 2020, 15:59:19
excellent cutomer support!
name+pic is absolute priceless!!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Sat, 09 May 2020, 18:52:42
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: vaf1en on Sun, 10 May 2020, 04:09:05
Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Kaleidoua on Sun, 10 May 2020, 06:22:36
I can't seem to find the "non pcb 60% version" in the store. Or is that the one that costs 140 eur?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: okidna on Sun, 10 May 2020, 07:14:28
I can't seem to find the "non pcb 60% version" in the store. Or is that the one that costs 140 eur?


The bottom right one, here's the link: https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/collections/groupbuy/products/hmkb-60s
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: marshskitow on Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:30:14
I'm in! I am so exited ahah
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SxM Designs on Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:56:10
Any idea how can I get a early bird code? I can order then!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 10 May 2020, 14:24:53


Any idea how can I get a early bird code? I can order then!

You should build a time machine.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 May 2020, 15:37:49
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Biased opinion on Sun, 10 May 2020, 19:17:48

Soldering is a boring skill, gets old pretty quickly. Desoldering ... is still so much fun for me as all I have is a solder sucker pump thing, no fancy FR301 desoldering stations (cause they are vvv expensive).

My current score is 2 PCBs ruined and 1 preserved lol
[/quote]

I picked up one of these and it was 100% worth the price, turned a multi hour ordeal into an effortless 10min job. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HIPPO-150W-Desoldering-Rework-Iron-Station-Digital-De-Soldering-Gun-Dual-LCD-AU-/142158805635
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 10 May 2020, 19:49:52
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.

The moq for current prices and ALL THAT VARIETY is just 400? Insane. Whatever you have going for your manufacturing/logistics, I'm really impressed. Glad to be a part of this GB.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Hell-es on Mon, 11 May 2020, 01:54:48
Yeah - thats why i joined - even with the delays skb1 had, not really many people complained as it was handled so good - cleary and open communication - great
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Motte on Tue, 12 May 2020, 14:52:16
Just placed my order. Now it feels like I'm wating for christmas :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: fer.real on Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:10:47
Christmas is only 7 months away.  With the way the world is right now, we very well may be waiting until then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: bball2 on Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:48:11
In for a stainless steel 75% layout, looks great!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Data on Tue, 12 May 2020, 16:30:04
Nice job.  Great selection and options.  Going with a custom PCB was really smart.  Tempted to pick up a TKL in stainless!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: cohesive_glue on Tue, 12 May 2020, 21:23:46
That yellow!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Wed, 13 May 2020, 00:06:44
Can I use 7u space bar layout if I got the 65% with 2 blockers?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Wed, 13 May 2020, 10:21:17
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.

Thats great news. Are you planning on closing the GB early now that we've hit MOQ?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:14:42
Can I use 7u space bar layout if I got the 65% with 2 blockers?

Yes, you can. See the photos in the start post. There you is the beige HMKB-65 which has the blockers and a 7U spacebar.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:15:46
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.

Thats great news. Are you planning on closing the GB early now that we've hit MOQ?

But why would I do that?
I had stated, that the GB will run for one month, just like all others do (ok, there may have been a few exceptions). Nothing has changed.
GMK keycap GBs also don't stop when they hit MOQ. At that point production just went from not being economically viable to just OK.

So if you are considering to join the GB but are not sure about which version, size or color to choose, take your time, no need to hurry.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:20:37
I got in contact with Energieschleuder who is currently running the GMK Masterpiece GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106068.0). Made some new renderings. Here you can see GMK Masterpiece on an HMKB-60 stainless steel:

(https://i.imgur.com/fyDo3dc.png) (https://i.imgur.com/qe740ib.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iHVtAqm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/O99hiyE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/nn3jV6f.png)

Btw, I tried stainless steel screws for this scene. Included will be the black ones.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:37:21
I got in contact with Energieschleuder who is currently running the GMK Masterpiece GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106068.0). Made some new renderings. Here you can see GMK Masterpiece on an HMKB-60 stainless steel:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fyDo3dc.png)


Looks awesome. Now I have the perfect excuse to buy Masterpiece.  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: makit on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:02:15
Looks like I'm in for a wild ride.
I have never built a mechanical keyboard myself and originally wanted to start with a HS PCB to make things a little easier.
Just bought a yellow 75%, it was just too tempting to let this pass. Which reminds me, I need some soldering equipment too ...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Hadoken86 on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:18:32
Damn am I the only one ordering 65% with 2 blockers?

No
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:22:11
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.

Thats great news. Are you planning on closing the GB early now that we've hit MOQ?

But why would I do that?
I had stated, that the GB will run for one month, just like all others do (ok, there may have been a few exceptions). Nothing has changed.
GMK keycap GBs also don't stop when they hit MOQ. At that point production just went from not being economically viable to just OK.

So if you are considering to join the GB but are not sure about which version, size or color to choose, take your time, no need to hurry.

I already joined! I had asked that question because of what was on the GB page.

Quote
The order phase is open for about one month or until a sufficient amount of orders is reached.

I wasnt sure if "sufficient amount" was MOQ or you had a target order # past the MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:25:57
TRUE!
Yes, sorry, I absolutely wrote "sufficient amount".
This was more meant as a backdoor for me to keep the GB open a bit longer in case I would struggle to get past MOQ. But this is behind us now, so for now it is just "end of this month".
Again, sorry.

Let's set an end date now:
June 2nd
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 13 May 2020, 14:25:56
Thats great news. Are you planning on closing the GB early now that we've hit MOQ?

LOL what in the world kinda question is this
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Wed, 13 May 2020, 16:18:14
LOL what in the world kinda question is this
To be honest, I also was quite worried about GB closing early due to "sufficient amount" remark. I mean, if that were true and GB would be closed when targeted amount of orders reached, I would be missing out on this as I am yet to receive the paycheck. I see no reason to being this sarcastic as many people are already struggling due to corona and actually need safe amount of spending money before jumping on every GB.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: malde on Thu, 14 May 2020, 04:36:42
I got in contact with Energieschleuder who is currently running the GMK Masterpiece GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106068.0). Made some new renderings. Here you can see GMK Masterpiece on an HMKB-60 stainless steel:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fyDo3dc.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/qe740ib.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/iHVtAqm.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/O99hiyE.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/nn3jV6f.png)


Btw, I tried stainless steel screws for this scene. Included will be the black ones.

On the topic of screws, black being included is probably the best/most fitting option since you selected them. But let's say I want to explore other options/colors, I can recall that there has been mention of them all being M3. What I could not find though are the actual lengths, since the sides and top does seem to be different, at least in the exploded view/graphic. Do you mind sharing the lengths?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: NorrittMTG on Thu, 14 May 2020, 05:10:54
Are there any plans to make this board VIA compatible?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 06:02:35
On the topic of screws, black being included is probably the best/most fitting option since you selected them. But let's say I want to explore other options/colors, I can recall that there has been mention of them all being M3. What I could not find though are the actual lengths, since the sides and top does seem to be different, at least in the exploded view/graphic. Do you mind sharing the lengths?

Yes, they are all M3.
The length of the eight screws needed for the top mounting is 14mm, 15mm will most likely also fit.
For the screws at the sides and the back 8mm is optimal.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Danilo_dk on Thu, 14 May 2020, 07:06:56
Why is the brass plate for the HMKB 40 sold out?

And more importantly, why am I interested in buying a 4x12 ortho keyboard when I already have two Plancks and a Plaid?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SxM Designs on Thu, 14 May 2020, 07:30:04
ONe question.. Is the SS version somewhat polished?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 14 May 2020, 08:18:39
ONe question.. Is the SS version somewhat polished?
It's bead blasted, look at the prototypes.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: malde on Thu, 14 May 2020, 08:28:57
Why is the brass plate for the HMKB 40 sold out?

And more importantly, why am I interested in buying a 4x12 ortho keyboard when I already have two Plancks and a Plaid?

First: It's not sold out, there never was a brass plate for the 40 even though the shop shows it. Technical reasons I guess.

And Second: Because the Plancks and Plaid aren't HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS, of course.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Danilo_dk on Thu, 14 May 2020, 09:04:13
Why is the brass plate for the HMKB 40 sold out?

And more importantly, why am I interested in buying a 4x12 ortho keyboard when I already have two Plancks and a Plaid?

First: It's not sold out, there never was a brass plate for the 40 even though the shop shows it. Technical reasons I guess.

And Second: Because the Plancks and Plaid aren't HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS, of course.

Will the brass plate become available?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: makit on Thu, 14 May 2020, 09:56:32
Unfortunately I do not have the best sense when it comes to colour combinations. Do you think the board in yellow goes well with the GMK Deep Navy?
Sorry if the question is too much OT, I'm completely new here in the forum :x
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: saesh on Thu, 14 May 2020, 13:52:08
Unfortunately I do not have the best sense when it comes to colour combinations. Do you think the board in yellow goes well with the GMK Deep Navy?
Sorry if the question is too much OT, I'm completely new here in the forum :x

No problem at all, there was an image posted in the Discord, judge for yourself (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705801555344883742/706764195739467826/navy.jpg?width=1263&height=842).
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 13:54:36
Unfortunately I do not have the best sense when it comes to colour combinations. Do you think the board in yellow goes well with the GMK Deep Navy?
Sorry if the question is too much OT, I'm completely new here in the forum :x

No problem at all, there was an image posted in the Discord, judge for yourself (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705801555344883742/706764195739467826/navy.jpg?width=1263&height=842).

But that's a photoshop that someone else than me did.
GMK Deep Navy renderings are on the way, better wait for those.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:13:21
Is there any way to know the dimensions of the keyboards? I would love to know. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:15:45
Is there any way to know the dimensions of the keyboards? I would love to know. :thumb:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106072.msg2897704#msg2897704

that's the way ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:17:46
Is there any way to know the dimensions of the keyboards? I would love to know. :thumb:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106072.msg2897704#msg2897704

that's the way ;)

You are beautiful and annoying as well lol.  :-*

This has complicated the situation
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:18:07
 ;D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lz2019 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:26:39
after quite some looking and thinking, settled with the 65% yellow at last, this color attracts me so much. now start to patiently wait.
thanks for making all this happening!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: makit on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:28:34
Unfortunately I do not have the best sense when it comes to colour combinations. Do you think the board in yellow goes well with the GMK Deep Navy?
Sorry if the question is too much OT, I'm completely new here in the forum :x

No problem at all, there was an image posted in the Discord, judge for yourself (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705801555344883742/706764195739467826/navy.jpg?width=1263&height=842).

But that's a photoshop that someone else than me did.
GMK Deep Navy renderings are on the way, better wait for those.

Thank you both, looks good to me :) I'm still waiting for your renderings then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Motte on Thu, 14 May 2020, 15:17:59
Christmas is only 7 months away.  With the way the world is right now, we very well may be waiting until then.

Oh noes :( But then I have time to find the perfect cap set :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lvl2cow on Thu, 14 May 2020, 15:58:25
Just ordered a 75%; first time builder, so excited!! So cool to see a community like this, you guys are awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Danilo_dk on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:08:31
Would a regular Planck PCB work in the HMKB 40, or is the switch spacing standard on its plate?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:17:03
Just ordered a 75%; first time builder, so excited!! So cool to see a community like this, you guys are awesome.

that's what I though, when I came here first :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:18:30
Would a regular Planck PCB work in the HMKB 40, or is the switch spacing standard on its plate?

HMKB-40 does not have the regular switch distance of 19.05mm. It is 19.00 because it is made for the Eon40 PCB.
The HMKB-40 is only available as kit with the Eon40 PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Danilo_dk on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:38:25
Would a regular Planck PCB work in the HMKB 40, or is the switch spacing standard on its plate?

HMKB-40 does not have the regular switch distance of 19.05mm. It is 19.00 because it is made for the Eon40 PCB.
The HMKB-40 is only available as kit with the Eon40 PCB.

That means it actually is compatible with the Planck. The reason I'm asking is that I have hotswap Planck PCBs, which I could then use instead or until I decide on a switch to use with the case.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:55:56
I can't confirm it to 100% but on first sight it looks to me like it should totally work.
https://imgur.com/a/8gn3UQs#LnOQUYN
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 15 May 2020, 19:53:59
The GMK Masterpiece renderings I did had a few little mistakes. Also I find it hard to simulate the bead blasted stainless steel in the renderings. Here are new renders, HMKB-60 HHKB this time. Only the photos in the start post can show you how stainless steel really looks like.

(https://i.imgur.com/MUqG5jq.png) (https://i.imgur.com/whVCj18.png) (https://i.imgur.com/s8z0IHE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/mauvuzE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xfzRPAz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/NSyI2vx.png)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: norb on Sat, 16 May 2020, 06:31:02
so these renders are with ss screws, but the ss case will still come with black screws right?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Inner-Ear on Sat, 16 May 2020, 06:57:51
Very tempted to join. I just don’t know how well Vilebloom would go with RAL1013 though
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SxM Designs on Sat, 16 May 2020, 19:24:29
Any renders for the bottom side? I am curious about the bottom :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rymnd6c28 on Sun, 17 May 2020, 08:40:58
Joined!! No more regrets missing the SKB.. :p :p :p
Good luck with everything, can't wait!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 May 2020, 09:09:46
Any renders for the bottom side? I am curious about the bottom :)

look here:

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

and here:

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.

I'm not really sure what you expect to see inside? There is just the plate and the PCB inside, noting else hides there. You can find another picture here, first page of the IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 May 2020, 09:12:31
Very tempted to join. I just don’t know how well Vilebloom would go with RAL1013 though

The beige (RAL1013) would not be a good fit with Vilebloom, IMO.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 May 2020, 09:13:03
so these renders are with ss screws, but the ss case will still come with black screws right?

correct, only black screws will be included.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Sun, 17 May 2020, 09:22:57
Man I have to talk to the doc, I might not be able to use it as a travel board due to weight  :(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: quarterlife on Sun, 17 May 2020, 12:39:53
just put an order for stainless TKL, will be my first mech board buidl!
also gave an excuse to pick up gmk masterpiece, ahhhhhh!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DaveOrAstroDave on Sun, 17 May 2020, 16:01:20
My apologies if this is addressed elsewhere, but is the 60% the only one with speaker support?
I wonder what all those extra headers are for in some of the pics of the other pcbs...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 18 May 2020, 06:01:15
My apologies if this is addressed elsewhere, but is the 60% the only one with speaker support?

yes, the 60 is the only one

I wonder what all those extra headers are for in some of the pics of the other pcbs...

they are not relevant for the HMKB builds.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 19 May 2020, 20:27:33
GMK Deep Navy on HMKB-60 HMKB, stainless steel:

(https://i.imgur.com/rSRLx8v.png) (https://i.imgur.com/bVoi6bd.png) (https://i.imgur.com/U0rnO0J.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wn1FZ3E.png)

more will follow tomorrow, goodnight!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pcire on Tue, 19 May 2020, 20:28:54
That looks sick af! I can’t afford to buy another set!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 May 2020, 09:57:27
GMK Deep Navy on HMKB-60 HHKB:

(https://i.imgur.com/IRbQ313.png) (https://i.imgur.com/LHWhIg8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/tNXodig.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5OWSZST.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/oVnrn3O.png) (https://i.imgur.com/8PzR8p0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/pDhHotO.png) (https://i.imgur.com/aVODX6b.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/12cu1bM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/m6n22qX.png) (https://i.imgur.com/U3AlPji.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QhDCghk.png)

Same for 75% and 80% later today.

GMK Deep Navy currently in group buy, here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106058.0).

Thanks to ttom!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: KOCMOC on Wed, 20 May 2020, 10:18:31
Love this, will be my first build! Actually two, 60 YAS and HMKB 65 × One Blocker. So excited! Thank you for such a great design!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 May 2020, 13:32:12
I was asked if GMK Gregory (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106351.0) might be a good match for the yellow HMKB. GMK Gregory uses "CV". I took some photos outside, here they are:

(https://i.imgur.com/litBkZY.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/A4v8KEW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/tnKHE2P.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Zaum.Tech on Wed, 20 May 2020, 17:31:06
Imho one of the most interesting boards of the year, great to see the group buy!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: datAintFalc0 on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:12:09
Just joined the GB! super stoked for a compact 1800 layout finally :)

one quick question, I noticed at the corners there are small cracks where the bent sheets join. Do you have any insight as to how much dust will get inside? I like the touch, but I'm afraid it's gonna get dusty inside real quick haha
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:33:15
one quick question, I noticed at the corners there are small cracks where the bent sheets join. Do you have any insight as to how much dust will get inside? I like the touch, but I'm afraid it's gonna get dusty inside real quick haha

thanks for joining, happy you like it!

cracks? dust?
it has bent flanges and the designs emphasizes that, rather than trying to hide that fact. so it is somewhat open, yes. does that make any difference thought? any keyboard is open anyway. there is that big cutout where the keys go through ;)

the gaps between the keys - thats where all kinds of stuff enters the keyboard. mechanical keyboard aren't dust proof in any way at all.
how much junk enters your keeb is more up to you and your desk life. you can't eliminate the gaps between the keys. btw, the gap between bezel and keys is actually pretty tight on HMKB.

getting your caps off from time to time and clean it is a good idea for any mechanical keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Wed, 20 May 2020, 21:04:43
The fold gap is on the edges and vertical, you will get most of your dust and debris from the gaps in between each keys.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: zayyy on Wed, 20 May 2020, 22:17:10
Just joined the group buy as my first build and I'm very excited!

I ordered the HMKB75 Full right column, and I'm trying to figure out what size spacebar stabilizer will work with this layout? I saw that there are options between 6.25u or 7u when looking for stabilizers. Still new to all this  ;)

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Liub on Thu, 21 May 2020, 01:03:04
Howdy, I am thinking of putting in one more keyboard order (was a pre-backer, have two boards ordered at the moment).

Would you automatically know that it's the same person ordering and combine the shipping or would I pay shipping again? Can I amend a previously paid order? Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rymnd6c28 on Thu, 21 May 2020, 01:41:38
Just joined the group buy as my first build and I'm very excited!

I ordered the HMKB75 Full right column, and I'm trying to figure out what size spacebar stabilizer will work with this layout? I saw that there are options between 6.25u or 7u when looking for stabilizers. Still new to all this  ;)

Thanks in advance!

I think you can go 6u, 6.25u, and/or 7u. Depends on how you want the bottom row is.
ref: https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/products/pcbs-r1
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:34:04
Howdy, I am thinking of putting in one more keyboard order (was a pre-backer, have two boards ordered at the moment).

Would you automatically know that it's the same person ordering and combine the shipping or would I pay shipping again? Can I amend a previously paid order? Thanks!

please dm me regarding this
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Sepharis on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:43:10
I assume the answer to my following question is "A blank sheet of material" but do you have nay pictures of the underside of the keyboard?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: mchanneh on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:49:18
I assume the answer to my following question is "A blank sheet of material" but do you have nay pictures of the underside of the keyboard?

Any renders for the bottom side? I am curious about the bottom :)

look here:

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

and here:

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.

I'm not really sure what you expect to see inside? There is just the plate and the PCB inside, noting else hides there. You can find another picture here, first page of the IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764

Hi mate, see quote and messages linked above. Cheers
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:54:40
thanks for linking to it.
I should include some underside pictures in the start post.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: 82d28a on Thu, 21 May 2020, 08:09:52
thanks for linking to it.
I should include some underside pictures in the start post.
Yes please. Nothing fancy just a clear detailed view of all sides. I wish more GBs and ICs did this instead of or with the artistic photos/renders. Thank you!


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Sepharis on Thu, 21 May 2020, 08:33:32
Ah My apologies for not reading the thread more closely
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 May 2020, 09:59:06
GMK Deep Navy on HMKB-80:

Again GMK Deep Navy, this time on the HMKB-80. In the last renderings with Deep Navy I made a few little mistakes regarding the legends. Should be all correct this time:

(https://i.imgur.com/ocNXGpm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3VlDIKQ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Sw9TDSr.png) (https://i.imgur.com/AZJ6PKy.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cPwv4Fp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/CPIllJX.png) (https://i.imgur.com/p32f4ck.png) (https://i.imgur.com/1AU93Y7.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/B0UyD2j.png) (https://i.imgur.com/TSj4XTE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/bGr81LF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/1F811ER.png)

GMK Deep Navy currently in group buy, here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106058.0).

Again, thanks to ttom!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: LordOwen on Fri, 22 May 2020, 06:51:20
I've been looking for a kit to call my first build... and I think that seeing those Dark Navies on the stainless builds might have just done me and my wallet a massive world of hurt... If KAT Arctics also look this smooth, I'm a goner for sure!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ilezia on Fri, 22 May 2020, 07:47:54
Ah man... I'm still waiting for Polaris and the S7 Elephant but this thing looks so good I just have to get it. For me the steel one is unique and carries the spirit of the project best so gonna pick up a 75 version. But the beige one looks so good too I'm tempted to get another :p
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 May 2020, 15:39:12
OG Cherry / GMK 9009 on HMKB-40:

Finally made some renders of the HMKB-40:

(https://i.imgur.com/4j90lVD.png) (https://i.imgur.com/DqIQsXG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/PvqTnmH.png) (https://i.imgur.com/LwE0t9C.png) (https://i.imgur.com/69uLbVj.png)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 23 May 2020, 11:34:34
HMKB outdoor

I took some more pictures outside today. These are some of the earlier prototypes (batch two and three). All at different angles, 6°, 10° and 12°. A lot asked about the bottom side, here you can see it in good lighting conditions (Cloudy sky but still ok). Yes, just a plain and boring surface, pretty much nothing to see there. No logo, nothing. The screw access holes in the corners of the bottom are quite big in the prototypes, they will be smaller in the production units. In the one closeup shot you can see that the same grommets that are used for isolating the plate are also utilized between top and bottom parts. Furthermore those same grommets act as feet.

(https://i.imgur.com/9DtOFcT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/jjToPCB.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/tA6cGkC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JvXi0PT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/knQNt2W.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ZFr7R3k.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: 82d28a on Sat, 23 May 2020, 11:49:13
HMKB outdoor

I took some more pictures outside today. These are some of the earlier prototypes (batch two and three). All at different angles, 6°, 10° and 12°. A lot asked about the bottom side, here you can see it in good lighting conditions (Cloudy sky but still ok). Yes, just a plain and boring surface, pretty much nothing to see there. No logo, nothing. The screw access holes in the corners of the bottom are quite big in the prototypes, they will be smaller in the production units. In the one closeup shot you can see that the same grommets that are used for isolating the plate are also utilized between top and bottom parts. Furthermore those same grommets act as feet.

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(https://i.imgur.com/tA6cGkC.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/knQNt2W.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZFr7R3k.jpg)

Thank you great photos.


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 23 May 2020, 16:30:29
OG Cherry with RGB MOD on HMKB-80 grey

HMKB beige was chosen specifically with OG Cherry keycaps (or GMK 9009) in mind and of course those are a perfect fit. However, some had asked if those keycaps might also go well with the HMKB grey.
So I did some renders of this combination:

(https://i.imgur.com/6y2IQd9.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9U2GuHF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/sxvKJMX.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iB9KTPI.png) (https://i.imgur.com/1e6Xblt.png)

Next I'll do some more renders of Dolch on HMKB grey. Great news that Dolch with R5 will be back soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106504.0). Those will be the last renders I'll do, no more after that, I'm really tired of doing renders :(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 23 May 2020, 18:31:07
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 23 May 2020, 18:56:42
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)

Oh, I could make that happen.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 23 May 2020, 19:04:31
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)

Oh, I could make that happen.

Make it challenging! That means NO HANDARBEIT. :p
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 23 May 2020, 19:09:03
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)

Oh, I could make that happen.

Make it challenging! That means NO HANDARBEIT. :p

I should say, if he sends me the files I could make it happen hahaha.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: hatedhero on Sat, 23 May 2020, 19:40:20
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)

Oh, I could make that happen.

Make it challenging! That means NO HANDARBEIT. :p

I should say, if he sends me the files I could make it happen hahaha.

I'd love to see a render of the GMK Handarbeit on the stainless steel bead blasted version :D I think it'd be popping hahaha.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 24 May 2020, 00:35:35
I'd love to see a render of the GMK Handarbeit on the stainless steel bead blasted version :D I think it'd be popping hahaha.

More like pooping, if you...

That's it! Render GMK I Pooped in the Pool in the beige case (the yellow one would a tad too much).
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: masterchris_99 on Mon, 25 May 2020, 08:01:54
Are there any pictures/renders of the 65 without blockers? I've searched the whole IC Thread and was not able to find anything
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 25 May 2020, 08:16:35
The color combos are awesome. If I could swing more than one I might go for GMK Lux on yellow HMKB. Also, would it be sacrilege to cerakote a SS HMKB? What about BoW on a red HMKB? For a professional office, the Deep Navy on SS is a real statement IMO. All around, very nice work!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: malde on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:05:13
Are there any pictures/renders of the 65 without blockers? I've searched the whole IC Thread and was not able to find anything

Take another look in the OP, look for HMKB-65 with Dolch and HMKB-65 with GMK TARO R2.
I don't think there is a 65 prototype without blockers.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: godofdeath on Mon, 25 May 2020, 16:14:22
ooo if only the 75% had the 7v layout with the f row moved over .25u i woulda bit on this :'(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Tue, 26 May 2020, 03:52:20
Finally placed my order for my HMKB 95 in yellow  ;D

Super hyped for it to get here!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: phinix on Tue, 26 May 2020, 05:21:13
TKL without F-row would be great in this as well.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 26 May 2020, 06:13:33
GMK Carbon on HMKB-65 Beige

Although the HMKB beige is chosen with OG beige cherry keycaps (or GMK 9009) in mind, other sets with beige also work pretty well, imo. Here it is with GMK Carbon, latest round that came with R5:

(https://i.imgur.com/9In8Oqf.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/G79RbPY.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mvvk9vV.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/M6tPrUL.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Chubbs70000000 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 02:04:31
Super happy with this GB. Just joined! Loving the look.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 27 May 2020, 12:18:14
GMK TA90 on HMKB-75 Grey

I don't yet have the prototype PCBs for the HMKB-75 but I do have a prototype case and plate now. That's enough for me to be able to show you how the build looks.

HMKB grey is perfect for Dolch. Many other sets work as well, especially when there is some kind of warm grey present. Here it is with GMK TA90. The photos also show the cherry profile how it was originally designed. The profile is completed with R0 and R5, the way it is supposed to be:

(https://i.imgur.com/9jefIBc.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/KHEstWx.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/lSQKm6e.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mxmjoh0.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: dollhouse on Wed, 27 May 2020, 18:50:05
GMK TA90 on HMKB-75 Grey

I don't yet have the prototype PCBs for the HMKB-75 but I do have a prototype case and plate now. That's enough for me to be able to show you how the build looks.

HMKB grey is perfect for Dolch. Many other sets work as well, especially when there is some kind of warm grey present. Here it is with GMK TA90. The photos also show the cherry profile how it was originally designed. The profile is completed with R0 and R5, the way it is supposed to be:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9jefIBc.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/KHEstWx.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lSQKm6e.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/mxmjoh0.jpg)


LOOKS SO GOOD
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Wed, 27 May 2020, 20:14:26
Can we get a round of shots like that with the stainless please?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: perry4761 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 20:30:48
This pictures make me anxious to get mine! Can't wait! Any updates on the raffle and the potential stream build?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: tacpot on Thu, 28 May 2020, 04:58:17
I'm trying to picture in my head what beige would look like with a dark keyset like Olivia++ dark, I love the vintage vibes from beige but concerned that it might not work with that keyset... anyone any thoughts?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ronnie_gogs on Thu, 28 May 2020, 11:47:34
Just joined the GB for HMKB95 in Yellow.
First GB, first custom... Now to shop around for keycaps
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Scragg on Thu, 28 May 2020, 11:55:32
just put in my order, Someone on my new users post suggested you guys.
This is pretty much exactly what i was looking for! super glad i found you guys before you closed the GB!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: hkiri on Thu, 28 May 2020, 12:14:27
Thanks a lot for the new photos! The grey seems like the best allrounder color!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: alphabirth on Thu, 28 May 2020, 15:50:59
This pictures make me anxious to get mine! Can't wait! Any updates on the raffle and the potential stream build?

No kidding!  You gotta quit posting these sick glamour shots... It's making me too antsy to get ahold of my board!  :p
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: mchanneh on Thu, 28 May 2020, 17:23:53
I maybe in the minority here but I think the black boards are the best of the bunch! They look so slick!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ArtofKhaos on Thu, 28 May 2020, 19:30:52
Im in! this will be my first super stoked. 
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: arcaniko on Fri, 29 May 2020, 04:05:20
I maybe in the minority here but I think the black boards are the best of the bunch! They look so slick!

I'm definitely on your side with this one. WoB just looks phenomenal on black.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 29 May 2020, 06:18:36
That 75% looks awesome :D And to join the black crew; ordered a full75% black. Will put Griseann on it with R0-R5 mods :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: TBone on Fri, 29 May 2020, 16:02:09
Aww man I'm in, black 80% w/ brass plate ;D

Now I just have to decide which switches I'm going with, as well as stabilizers. Getting a Zeal switch tester to broaden my horizons to all of the new switches since I last bought a board!!  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SirFroy on Fri, 29 May 2020, 22:24:40
Looking forward to pulling the trigger on this.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Sslix on Fri, 29 May 2020, 22:34:35
Beyond excited to get my 75! Going to try it with KAT Arctic  :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: dennismdc on Sat, 30 May 2020, 02:44:02
My first keyboard group buy. Can't wait to pair the 95 grey with the KAT space cadet.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: perry4761 on Sat, 30 May 2020, 14:30:54
Aww man I'm in, black 80% w/ brass plate ;D

Now I just have to decide which switches I'm going with, as well as stabilizers. Getting a Zeal switch tester to broaden my horizons to all of the new switches since I last bought a board!!  :eek:

Dont sleep on durock switches and stabs, ymmv but the Zeal tax is not worth it anymore imo.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: RazorOmega on Sat, 30 May 2020, 23:29:13
Are you able to accept other forms of payment, perhaps PayPal? I’ve been trying to purchase a stainless steel 65% but my card have issues with the website.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Slayer77 on Sun, 31 May 2020, 06:38:54
Hi, can we have an Asian proxy next time please?

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: thor_r on Sun, 31 May 2020, 10:47:01
Just ordered 75 in stainless steel and 95 in beige. Good stuff, congrats!  :thumb:

Also waiting for my GMK Navy Blue to go with my 75. Any upcoming keycaps GB recommendations for 95 beige?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SaraZera on Sun, 31 May 2020, 18:59:19
Just purchased the HMKB-65 in black.
It'll be my first custom keyboard build and I can't wait!
Now I just need to find some keycaps and switches I like for this build.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 01 June 2020, 17:33:49
Group buy ends:
June 2nd, Tuesday, 3:00 PM CEST (Germany)


Countdown (https://webuhr.de/timer/HMKB+GB+END/2020-06-02T15:00:00/)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 01 June 2020, 17:35:12
HMKB DISCORD LINK (https://discord.gg/nBCPWAa)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SirFroy on Mon, 01 June 2020, 23:10:52
Just went in on the 95& in grey with the brass plate.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: FellTattooArtist on Tue, 02 June 2020, 00:04:56
The HMKB 75 comes with the Eon75 is that right? does it support soldering Mil-Max 0305 or any other Mil-Max sockets?

What other PCBs would go fine on the HMKB 75?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: saesh on Tue, 02 June 2020, 01:12:19
The HMKB 75 comes with the Eon75 is that right? does it support soldering Mil-Max 0305 or any other Mil-Max sockets?

What other PCBs would go fine on the HMKB 75?

Yes, the Mil-Max sockets will work. But notice that because of the mounting style of the case the PCB is only held up by the friction of the switches and the Mill-Max sockets. It is not ideal but should work. You could solder the four outer switches to have a solid connection or put some foam into the case to keep the PCB up.

The PCB is custom made for the 75, there are no other PCBs that would fit if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: xyc0n on Tue, 02 June 2020, 13:53:41
Countdown (https://webuhr.de/timer/HMKB+GB+END/2020-06-02T15:00:00/)

Just a heads up to anyone else who was trying to join the GB at the eleventh hour, this countdown syncs to local time. It says I have 2hrs left but the GB is closed.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 02 June 2020, 13:57:15
yes, the GB is closed now.
sorry.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: funkmon on Tue, 02 June 2020, 17:32:56
Ah **** I was literally just going to buy one. I just soldered my first thing!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: omikron on Wed, 03 June 2020, 07:11:55
Dang it! I wanted to buy this metal case so bad!!! heard about it just 1 day ago by accident. :(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: oluigenuma on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:14:37
Oh no I missed it by one day.  :(

Any chance there are going to be extras?

Please dm me if someone wants to sell his slot
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:18:46
there will be extras available for sure. with this high quantity I have to order quite a few more as backup. those will be made available after GB has shipped, some time after september.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:26:50
Little late, but if I wanted to cerakote my board after the fact, which color/finish would it adhere to the best? I imagine black or inox?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:43:44
Ceracoating over powder coating does not work (well).
This GB did not offer any ceracote or ceracote friendly option.
DONT.

If you have to, the stainless steel is your only option.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: TankaGTE on Wed, 03 June 2020, 16:43:38
Are you able to accept other forms of payment, perhaps PayPal? I’ve been trying to purchase a stainless steel 65% but my card have issues with the website.
Have you possibly tried contacting your bank? Maybe they thinks is a fraudulent charge.


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: omikron on Thu, 04 June 2020, 04:11:51
Paypal is really business unfriendly, especially in terms and conditions. It also has way more profit cut than needed and if you calculate all the taxes for specific location it is 40% or more of the total, so you have to crank up the mark-up pretty significantly in order to get any money out of your work.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: marshskitow on Sat, 06 June 2020, 17:01:05
Hey hello guy! I have to ask something since its gonna be my first build.
What stabilizers do i need for a ISO 65 build ?

I never understood stabs, exept that i need a 6,25u i guess.

Regards
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 06 June 2020, 18:32:35
Hey hello guy! I have to ask something since its gonna be my first build.
What stabilizers do i need for a ISO 65 build ?

I never understood stabs, exept that i need a 6,25u i guess.

Regards

A 6.25u, a 2u for enter, and probably a 2u for your backspace as well.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: marshskitow on Sun, 07 June 2020, 05:09:29
Hey hello guy! I have to ask something since its gonna be my first build.
What stabilizers do i need for a ISO 65 build ?

I never understood stabs, exept that i need a 6,25u i guess.

Regards

A 6.25u, a 2u for enter, and probably a 2u for your backspace as well.


Thanks a lot ! :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: marshskitow on Sun, 07 June 2020, 14:01:02
@Poesjuh, is this gonna work ?

(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/Hf35d853c5dae401986292f688d49ea9dZ.jpg)

There is a screw so im not sure.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 07 June 2020, 14:11:11
So, what is the final number of orders?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Sun, 07 June 2020, 15:05:52
So, what is the final number of orders?
Ordered mine in the day before last I think and my order number was in high 1900s. So I guess we sold a lot.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 07 June 2020, 17:36:06
GMK TA90 on HMKB-75 Grey

HMKB grey is perfect for Dolch. Many other sets work as well, especially when there is some kind of warm grey present.

Just out-of-curiosity, would you say that also applies to Modern Dolch?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: prizeS on Sun, 07 June 2020, 18:27:35
GMK TA90 on HMKB-75 Grey

HMKB grey is perfect for Dolch. Many other sets work as well, especially when there is some kind of warm grey present.

Just out-of-curiosity, would you say that also applies to Modern Dolch?

modo would work just fine imo.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: mchanneh on Sun, 21 June 2020, 07:32:12
Hey I believe the discord link has expired, can you relink this again? Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Tue, 23 June 2020, 01:19:41
Hey I believe the discord link has expired, can you relink this again? Thanks a lot!

https://discord.gg/PzWQEsB
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: parablol on Sat, 27 June 2020, 21:32:55
Will there be a chance of offering any more 40% cases in the future?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: myflowsocold on Mon, 06 July 2020, 15:45:48
Sorry - discord link seems to have expired, can I get a fresh one? Much appreciated!


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Mon, 06 July 2020, 21:05:59
Sorry - discord link seems to have expired, can I get a fresh one? Much appreciated!


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https://discord.gg/XgUKYD7
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: myflowsocold on Tue, 07 July 2020, 23:07:30
Thank you but says invite is invalid - not sure why. Can one of the moderators send a valid link?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Wed, 08 July 2020, 00:08:33
Thank you but says invite is invalid - not sure why. Can one of the moderators send a valid link?

Links expire. This one should last longer, valid for 25 uses.

https://discord.gg/C67hYcS
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: radam on Wed, 08 July 2020, 06:45:38
There is a link to discord, in the menu, on the website.
https://heavymetalkeyboards.com
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 23 July 2020, 06:01:03
UPDATE:

I assume all of you have joined the discord server by now.
For those who don't use discord, I'll quickly sum up:

- group buy orders slightly over 1100
- lots of communication in the discord
- build stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYeIjOk0Nlg&feature=youtu.be) and typing demo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KthtH2G4Kh8&feature=youtu.be)
- expected shipping late Q3 / September
- extras will be available after shipping

Regarding communication:
Those who know me, know that I dedicate a lot of time to communicating. Throughout the IC this has exclusively taken place here on Geekhack, since posting on multiple channels is just too much for me and since I had not jet used discord before. With the start of the GB I had finally gotten myself to setting up a discord server - many of you had asked for this during the IC phase. Immediately the HMKB discord became the main communication channel. That also meant, that this GB thread quickly became pretty much abandoned. One the one hand I feel a bit sad about this, since I had always liked and preferred the classic way of forum posting over the more chat-like and rushed discord style communication. On the other hand the discord server offers many advantages over the classic forum style. The HMKB discord server has a lot of members now and is the main communication channel. Recently communication has slowed down there a bit too, since I was on vacation. I will only post here on Geekhack when either a definitive shipping date is set or when a delay should happen. Anything else will be on the discord.

Sorry for the expired links to the HMKB discord, I wasn't aware of that in the beginning. Thanks to all who posted new links. Here is a link that should not expire that quickly (but also won't work for ever):

HMKB Discord (https://discord.gg/crtrUQC)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:19:51
I think faster communication through discord is the way most group buys go now.  I don’t see any issue as long as you provide occasional updates here, especially for important events (delays, qc issues, shipping timelines, etc...)

That should adequately satisfy the most recent addendum to the Group Buys rules:

Quote

- geekhack.org is a community of keyboard enthusiasts and not simply an advertising platform for keyboard-related sales.  Thus we request that any group buy organizers who post their group buy threads in this section also provide updates in the thread they have started until the conclusion of the group buy, even if updates are also posted somewhere else.  Group buy threads made here are for group buy progress discussion as well as open discussion of any quality control issues.   If a group buy organizer decides to provide an off-site instant message chat option for faster order support (for example Discord), any such communication needs to be optional when it comes to non-sensitive* order information.


Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:37:34
I understand the appeal of Discord from creator standpoint, but I must say I'd also rather have updates here. Discord is good for building a community but is quite bad as news source. I am member of bunch of servers I wish I wasn't but they do not provide updates anywhere else. From about 30 servers, I constantly engaged in about 4.

TLDR: Agreed with previous poster, updates regarding product should be also posted in a forum.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:43:10
As I had mentioned in my last post, this classic way of forum communication here is what I personally prefer. Once the discord server was up, it just felt like 99% happened there. I just went with it.
Sure, anything important will be posted here as well of course.

Oh and btw, one thing I forgot to mention in my quick sum up:
- I open sourced all the plate files for HMKB
You can find and download them in the discord.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: 82d28a on Thu, 23 July 2020, 19:25:05
As I had mentioned in my last post, this classic way of forum communication here is what I personally prefer. Once the discord server was up, it just felt like 99% happened there. I just went with it.
Sure, anything important will be posted here as well of course.

Oh and btw, one thing I forgot to mention in my quick sum up:
- I open sourced all the plate files for HMKB
You can find and download them in the discord.
Can you created a discord channel just for updates to the GB?  I'm not a pro discord user and I do not see any obvious place with all the updates.

Also I would prefer updates here.

Thanks again for all your cool project.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: TetraEngine on Sat, 01 August 2020, 23:57:42
As I had mentioned in my last post, this classic way of forum communication here is what I personally prefer. Once the discord server was up, it just felt like 99% happened there. I just went with it.
Sure, anything important will be posted here as well of course.

Oh and btw, one thing I forgot to mention in my quick sum up:
- I open sourced all the plate files for HMKB
You can find and download them in the discord.
Can you created a discord channel just for updates to the GB?  I'm not a pro discord user and I do not see any obvious place with all the updates.

Also I would prefer updates here.

Thanks again for all your cool project.

Yea I second that. It's hard to get updates in the group because of all the discussions going on and I don't check my discord everyday, so a dedicated Updates channel will be a big help!
Thank you and all the best for the GB, hope nothing gets delayed!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 02 August 2020, 16:00:09
Nothing new here. One of the rules of GH is to post updates in the GH topic but for some reason runners always make a discord channel and end up posting 90% of updates only there. Nothing negative against plastic persé, just a shame it's pretty much always how it goes.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: saesh on Mon, 03 August 2020, 00:53:09
Sure, anything important will be posted here as well of course.
Also I would prefer updates here.

As far as I understand updates will be posted here, only the chatter is happening in Discord.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 03 August 2020, 02:21:38
Yes, no news. This was asked a few times on discord recently as well. Still, late Q3/September is my estimate for shipping, nothing has changed in that regard.
Basically when you don't see me post an update, then that's good. If I were to update anything now then it will either be about delay or shipping start.
OKAY, I get it, some would have probably hoped for some more insight on production and the different steps before shipping. Please understand that I'm not very good at doing lots of stuff in parallel. I'm busy with more than just the GB atm, that's all fine, but during the GB phase and in the following weeks, it felt like I was doing 100% discord communication and that kept me from doing anything else. So atm, my focuse is less on communication.

I get asked about address changes due to people moving quite often. Regarding that in general:
Sure no problem, I'll take care of address changes when shipping starts, then I'll do all address changes in one go.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:51:29
is this still scheduled to ship this month?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:58:34
is this still scheduled to ship this month?

Next week I should be able to be more specific about the timeline ahead.
Shorter: update next week.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Wed, 09 September 2020, 23:12:05
Update was posted in Discord today
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: rys on Sun, 13 September 2020, 10:11:14
Can someone paste the Discord update here?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Sun, 13 September 2020, 11:00:38
Its a few pages however
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Sun, 13 September 2020, 13:37:47
Can someone paste the Discord update here?

TLDR:
There is a delay. Covid did not have an impact but delay was due to 1) Scale: expected 200, total orders 1000 2) Fear: Intimidated by scale and moving carefully 3) Details: Got lost in minute details when existing designs are already better and wasting time 4) Communication: Wasted time in answering discord instead of being productive 5) He is always late: He needed to keep this deadline so that he could work under pressure. Announcing delay early would mean he would relax and waste more time

More updates: "Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview to streamers"

I really wish he would start proving more frequent updates. Order was finalized, Boards entered production and seems they (some of them?) finished and are with runner but he didnt share a single update. All we got is this delay message after 3 and half months. I would request runner to be more transparent.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Fri, 02 October 2020, 15:37:50
is this still scheduled to ship this month?

Next week I should be able to be more specific about the timeline ahead.
Shorter: update next week.

Update was posted in Discord today

bliss don't discord.

(please post milestones and updates in this thread as well - remember, you have got hundreds of fans behind you and thus you will master this mammoth task :thumb:)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 03 October 2020, 22:23:22
I have too many things making demands on my time without adding Discord to the 'to do' list. Please cross-post here for us those of us who are too busy or lazy or technologically challenged or whatever. IC and GB ran from here, updates should be here also. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Sun, 04 October 2020, 01:31:49
OP: I will post updates both here and on Discord!
Also OP: does not post updates here
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Mekberg on Mon, 05 October 2020, 06:31:02
Last post in the Updates channel on Discord was on September 9th, so don't worry, you're not missing much of anything. Quoting it below, for reference:

Quote
Okay, sooo WHEN?

Well, production itself isn't really taking a lot of time. Organizing around it is what takes most of the time. Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Please keep in mind that almost every other GB that started around the same time will have you waiting at least until Q1, next year - in this context I still consider HMKB to be pretty quick.

I hope you understand and bear with me.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Mon, 05 October 2020, 12:39:31
Its not about missing much or not, its about OP not posting here when he promised to do so.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Mon, 05 October 2020, 13:40:45
SKB was pretty slow for maybe 1/5th as many orders as HMKB

See you kids summer 2021.... ahahhhaha
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Wed, 07 October 2020, 08:40:04
Last post in the Updates channel on Discord was on September 9th, so don't worry, you're not missing much of anything. Quoting it below, for reference:

Quote
Okay, sooo WHEN?

Well, production itself isn't really taking a lot of time. Organizing around it is what takes most of the time. Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Please keep in mind that almost every other GB that started around the same time will have you waiting at least until Q1, next year - in this context I still consider HMKB to be pretty quick.

I hope you understand and bear with me.

Thank you for posting that here!

I'm cool with it all, just wanted to state that I am probably not going to check the Discord, call me old-fashioned...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 09 October 2020, 14:57:48
Can someone paste the Discord update here?

TLDR:
There is a delay. Covid did not have an impact but delay was due to 1) Scale: expected 200, total orders 1000 2) Fear: Intimidated by scale and moving carefully 3) Details: Got lost in minute details when existing designs are already better and wasting time 4) Communication: Wasted time in answering discord instead of being productive 5) He is always late: He needed to keep this deadline so that he could work under pressure. Announcing delay early would mean he would relax and waste more time

More updates: "Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview to streamers"

Thanks for the TLDR of my discord update. I don't think I need to add anything to that, the full version is on discord. It's quite long.

I really wish he would start proving more frequent updates. Order was finalized, Boards entered production and seems they (some of them?) finished and are with runner but he didnt share a single update. All we got is this delay message after 3 and half months. I would request runner to be more transparent.

Guys, I know, some would feel more comfortable with more updates. Though not apparent here for those who don't use discord, I continued to be very active over there for quite some time after the GB order phase had ended and until just recently. I felt that I had to retreat from the constant communication because it was too time consuming and kept me from focusing on more important things. Hope you can understand that.

Sure, it's unfortunate that I had to announce a delay but keep in mind that the overall GB schedule was quite ambitious to begin with, afaik most GBs usually take longer. Could have been easier for me now if I had just set a later shipping time to begin with. Though I think it is overall better for the GB this way because if I really had given me more time, maybe I would have progressed slower which would have lead to a delay as well.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 23 October 2020, 14:39:52
Apologies for the all to common "late to the party" post, but will there, or is there, any extras,or another round planned in the future?
If so, when and where?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: cpt-nic on Fri, 23 October 2020, 14:50:27
According to the discord, extras will be available - and it seems like not only "some" but "many". Current estimate is Q4 2020.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: leski on Mon, 09 November 2020, 01:14:38
Could anyone kindly send a valid discord invitation link? Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Mon, 09 November 2020, 01:33:12
Could anyone kindly send a valid discord invitation link? Thanks!
https://discord.gg/J6977aweBe
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 15 November 2020, 14:39:57
Q4 almost over

Treeleaf slowly becomes angry

The chance of shipping is like finding a four leaf clover

I don't think it will happen soon, frankly

 :mad:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: norb on Sun, 15 November 2020, 14:51:42
Q4 almost over

Treeleaf slowly becomes angry

The chance of shipping is like finding a four leaf clover

I don't think it will happen soon, frankly

 :mad:

almost over? we're literally at  50% of q4 bro.
if a few months delay makes you angry, i hope for you that you didn't take part in the gmk dracula gb, which will have at least 9 months delay from the original ship date.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Sun, 15 November 2020, 16:09:52
Q4 almost over

Treeleaf slowly becomes angry

The chance of shipping is like finding a four leaf clover

I don't think it will happen soon, frankly

 :mad:

almost over? we're literally at  50% of q4 bro.
if a few months delay makes you angry, i hope for you that you didn't take part in the gmk dracula gb, which will have at least 9 months delay from the original ship date.

Just because some GBs take longer doesn't mean that every other one also should.

It's understandable for people to get antsy when the GB runner announces a delay in the same month the product is scheduled to ship, and then gives no further meaningful update for the next 2 months.

" For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. "

I don't really mind waiting, but some more frequent updates would be nice, even if you have to communicate that there are more delays. I would rather get another delay update in November than like 2 weeks before the end of Q4.

Or maybe production is going well and this will actually ship in Q4, who knows.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Shikada on Mon, 16 November 2020, 04:45:01
There's no meaningful update, and GB runner is avoiding Discord for a while now...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Shikada on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:07:07
We just got an update, here's a copy for those not in the Discord server:

Quote
UPDATE

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
I had already mentioned this in my last message which I had addressed at everyone. So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

I understand that it is frustrating to wait. I'm very sorry for that.

There was the poll about which streamer should get the latest pre production units. Those will go out in about two weeks from now.

Something else:
I noticed that the #general chatroom has been occupied by trolls lately. I would appreciate suggestions on how to deal with those. I know some of you have already muted those individuals but I hope there is a general solution for this. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:10:38
There's no meaningful update, and GB runner is avoiding Discord for a while now...

I'm not avoiding discord. I chat there regularly. There just isn't anything to update about atm. Here is the situation...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:11:39
We just got an update, here's a copy for those not in the Discord server:

Quote
UPDATE

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
I had already mentioned this in my last message which I had addressed at everyone. So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

I understand that it is frustrating to wait. I'm very sorry for that.

There was the poll about which streamer should get the latest pre production units. Those will go out in about two weeks from now.

Something else:
I noticed that the #general chatroom has been occupied by trolls lately. I would appreciate suggestions on how to deal with those. I know some of you have already muted those individuals but I hope there is a general solution for this. Thanks.

Damn, you are quick, I just wanted to post this here, let me do it anyway...

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:12:16
UPDATE

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

I understand that it is frustrating to wait. I'm very sorry for that.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: TheNeonKnight on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:35:21
Sad I just found this group buy today, would have totally snagged a 60%.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:36:38
there will be extras ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: TheNeonKnight on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:47:38
Ill keep an eye out, then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 16 November 2020, 10:11:14
Please post here with info. I'm also on your Discord but sometimes hard to wade through new messages if I don't keep up. Definitely considering a 65

there will be extras ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Mon, 16 November 2020, 11:10:43
UPDATE

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

I understand that it is frustrating to wait. I'm very sorry for that.

seems like that is a bit of oversight that should have been ironed out prior to offering an unlimited GB. nonetheless, GL and hoping to receive my 95 soon.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 20 November 2020, 12:30:57
"For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time."

So, it is my understanding that production has not started yet? Just tell us it's not Q4 anymore.

I found this fantastic video on the HMKB Discord:





Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 November 2020, 12:37:38
nice video!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kraize on Fri, 20 November 2020, 13:19:40
So, let me get this straight. You started a GB (unlimited, nonetheless) in April without any idea on logistics?!? Then you proceeded to sell 1000+ units at an average of $150 to amount to $150k and now it is November (7 months later) and NO production has started yet. There is STILL no place to house the boards and no updates were sent out? LOL. Glad I didn't go in on this.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 20 November 2020, 13:22:35
nice video!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Timbersawdust on Fri, 20 November 2020, 13:52:53
nice video!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 20 November 2020, 14:57:37
lmao
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Fri, 20 November 2020, 15:22:27
nice video!

this response is not a good look. shows more about you than the people asking for constant updates, honestly.

there's a reason people are not happy with how things are turning out, and the nonchalant, standoffish responses to paying customers are just fanning the flames. more transparency and less radio silence is needed, and stop guaranteeing deadlines you can't meet.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: akimbra on Fri, 20 November 2020, 15:22:52
Nice video!
oh it's my video
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 November 2020, 15:36:29
nice video!

this response is not a good look. shows more about you than the people asking for constant updates, honestly.

there's a reason people are not happy with how things are turning out, and the nonchalant, standoffish responses to paying customers are just fanning the flames. more transparency and less radio silence is needed, and stop guaranteeing deadlines you can't meet.

I have taken plenty of time over the last days to give more insight regarding the delay. I have engaged some of those who are unhappy directly in order to resolve the issue. again I'm sorry for the delays.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: akimbra on Fri, 20 November 2020, 16:51:31
Hey friend, thanks for liking my video, it's always good to see the positive feedback from this community!


(https://i.imgur.com/Xc7yRvu.png)(https://i.imgur.com/OavnFIp.png)(https://i.imgur.com/sO4dqpV.png)



I'm sorry but why lie to people? Is there a double standard in providing refunds for the people that ask? Manufacturing hasn't even started and you have yet to figure out how you will be able to do the logistics.

Although, yes, there is a clause in the GB about delays, I have yet to see any concrete update about your GB. I wasn't at all trying to be mean, I only asked that you will show some proof for the things you have stated and the objectives you have accomplished in the past 6 months of this GB.

Edit: I will acknowledge that zujo got his refund as plastik states but that is no reason to lie to people about a double standard.

I have yet to cancel my order and still believe that you can pull through but not by being silent or answering criticism with sarcasm. Please be transparent as it is not too late for this group buy to turn into a successful one!

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 November 2020, 18:08:59
as I have explained in the discord already, there are a few people being very rude and even harassing. I hope it is understandable that I would like to move forward without them being part of the group buy. that is why I gave a refund to those and the ones I assumed were affiliated.

you specifically are very toxic. i would really welcome to be able to refund you but so far you refused to provide me with your order number.

oh and btw, zujo is refunded, that screenshot does not show the whole discussion.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: D-EJ915 on Fri, 20 November 2020, 18:35:16
In the discord I saw "PCB and some parts" are in production? Is there an actual list of what has been produced and is in possession, what is in production currently and what is waiting to be produced? (presumably waiting on the storage area).  I think it would help a bit, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 November 2020, 18:41:47
exactly, had told this a few times on the discord already but it keeps drowning in the noise which is caused by a handfull of people. PCBs are in production. the "some parts" is just plates at surface treatment which will go to builders/streamers.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Fri, 20 November 2020, 20:31:38
nice video!

this response is not a good look. shows more about you than the people asking for constant updates, honestly.

there's a reason people are not happy with how things are turning out, and the nonchalant, standoffish responses to paying customers are just fanning the flames. more transparency and less radio silence is needed, and stop guaranteeing deadlines you can't meet.

I have taken plenty of time over the last days to give more insight regarding the delay. I have engaged some of those who are unhappy directly in order to resolve the issue. again I'm sorry for the delays.

yes, i have seen those. but just keep in mind that you are often radio silent for months on end, and pop up a once in a blue moon to state that some other problem has popped up. if you were more consistently providing updates, maybe people wouldn't be as nagging. it's the fact that we don't know when updates will come, whether there's progress, what stage the project is in, etc. add to the fact that when you do respond, you're sarcastic and curt rather than helpful most times. i'm not one to judge, but it doesn't make much sense to respond sarcastically when paying customers have legitimate concerns.

there comes to a point where just apologizing doesn't work anymore, too. you can be sorry for the delay, but that doesn't change the fact that we are once again going to miss your deadline. the reason people are concerned is because every time an update comes, it seems like a new problem arises that should've been dealt with before. and people were kept in the dark regarding what stage the project was in, so to know that production on cases haven't started at all when the projected deadline of Q4 is coming up (which already has been delayed), is pretty surprising to most.

again, i'm just trying to offer constructive criticism from my perspective. i have just been lurking in the discord, and understand that delays are part of GBs. i get that no one is trying to have delays, but when the only updates that come out are just more delays, it's frustrating. i would suggest this, for example: the last update you mentioned the Q4 target, which we are most likely missing. there is no way that the you couldn't have foreseen this storage issue 2 months prior, especially since production has not started all along. you should have mentioned that there could be warehousing/storage issues that could arise, to which might contribute to further delays. also mention that the cases have not been started yet, just the pcbs. - this way people can have a better idea of what's going on, instead of being dropped a bomb 1 month before deadline every update.

i hope this makes sense. the toxic chats are not helpful either, that's for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 02:15:16
If being "toxic" is prerequisite for getting a refund and getting out of this toxic group buy I can dial it up? The delays are one thing. Lying about progress and the bull**** shaming people for wanting an update (which proved to be well placed concern) is the main bit I'm not ok with. Also those mentioning the runner takes a 3% PayPal refund hit - they have had at best estimate around 200,000€ for over 6 months now and not produced anything. Most loans run at well over 10% if not closet to 20% interest per year, so even if they refunded everything it's still a pretty sweet deal for them. I wish I thought of it first.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 21 November 2020, 02:17:50
Q2 2021 that is I guess
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Sat, 21 November 2020, 05:05:08
I am also not happy with how plastic is handling the GB. No concrete updates on what is happening, progress, parts completed, update photos.. nothing... Just some vague reasons on the delay. Saying "Delays are common in GB" thousand times will not solve anything. People will accept delays if you are transparent. Being shady and cryptic and completely silent on details will lead to unhappy people... I hope plastic learns from how others are handling their GB's. All the best
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: beekey on Sat, 21 November 2020, 05:48:24
At the core this is about trust. People trust GB runners with their money and faith that something nice will be produced. When GB runners are not showing people some respect with information sharing and updating them, the relationship is on a downhill trajectory.
If then nothing improves over such a long time, people will loose trust and questioning everything. Sorry to say so, but PlastikSchnittstelle GB handling is a complete failure IMHO.
If he wants to gain any trust again, he needs to up his game. If this GB is too much for him to handle, he should refund and call it a day. Start smaller and build up skills in running big logistic projects. Maybe get some people to help and share the burden and fun.

As with all relationships there are two sides and this should not be an excuse for any of the two sides being rude.

To give a complete counter example is the Pandora GB. Koobaczech is fantastic. Super positive guy and he shares a stream of small little updates. This builds something very positive around the GB. People are looking forward to see more pieces come together.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sprigun on Sat, 21 November 2020, 06:59:17
Most loans run at well over 10% if not closet to 20% interest per year, so even if they refunded everything it's still a pretty sweet deal for them. I wish I thought of it first.
I would like to bank where you bank. 20% interest per year!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 07:05:58
You understand the difference between interest rates on loans, credit cards etc versus savings, term deposits etc right?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 21 November 2020, 07:32:29
the alarming and negative picture that some try to paint of this group buy is really unsettling to me. I had explained in the update section what has been taking time so far and had furthermore mentioned the simple reasons that block the further progress. the pcbs require less space, no further handling and don't need to be checked before being passed on for surface treatment, that's why they are already in production. in hindsight the very optimistic Q3 timeframe wasn't a good idea, still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys.

what some have been letting out here has nothing to do with valid criticism, it is simply harassment. atm I don't know how to deal with those individuals, sorry that the discord server has become an unfriendly environment.

I hope it is understandable that I would like certain individuals not to be part of this group by anymore, which is the reason I made refunds. delays itself are no reason for a refund, this policy is the same with most other group buys.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 08:21:40
So still confidently on track for Q4 then as last update?

"harassment"

People wanting to know wtf is going on with something they bought when presented with confident timelines is not "harassment". There's an unavoidable loss of trust when you say things like "no updates is good news", citing the amount of time spent on communication as a reason for delays and then not communicating at all for months, people take you at face value and then you abuse that trust. This is not just people being impatient for no reason or "harassing". Viable suggestions have been proposed, e. g. if volume of orders is the issues, nothing stops you from processing them in batches of 200 as per your expected initial volume. If people have to wait for later batches because of that I'm sure some would still complain but most would be understanding and it wouldn't leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ggggggg on Sat, 21 November 2020, 10:11:11
So still confidently on track for Q4 then as last update?

"harassment"

People wanting to know wtf is going on with something they bought when presented with confident timelines is not "harassment". There's an unavoidable loss of trust when you say things like "no updates is good news", citing the amount of time spent on communication as a reason for delays and then not communicating at all for months, people take you at face value and then you abuse that trust. This is not just people being impatient for no reason or "harassing". Viable suggestions have been proposed, e. g. if volume of orders is the issues, nothing stops you from processing them in batches of 200 as per your expected initial volume. If people have to wait for later batches because of that I'm sure some would still complain but most would be understanding and it wouldn't leave a bad taste in the mouth.

What you're describing is not harassment. But if you're following the direction the Discord server is taking you've seen him being subject to hate and vitriol. There's really no point to the Discord server anymore, if I could I'd lock it down. There are a lot of valid complaints and suggestions being voiced which drown in an endless sea of "wow I haven't been here for a while what happenend omg Plastik you shouldve seen this coming months ago lol what a ****show", ad nauseam. If all that were contained to this thread at least people wouldn't repeat the same rants every 30 minutes.
That being said, the group buy is being handled very badly and I really hope Plastikschnittstelle can filter out the noise and – instead of engaging those in it for the chaos – consider actually replying to some of the suggestions kicking around, such as the above quoted.

*Why not process in batches? If this isn't practical, tell us why please.
*You said sorting all the hardware is a daunting task all by yourself. Have you found someone to help you with that?
*You say you're waiting on two locations where you can sort and store cases. Lots of people have suggested renting out self-storage, have you looked into this? Germany is under a soft lockdown for at least a few more weeks, maybe you can strike a deal with an otherwise closed local business to rent out their space?

Also please for the love of god stop repeating still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys, that is not the issue.

[...] Saying "Delays are common in GB" thousand times will not solve anything. People will accept delays if you are transparent. [...]

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Sat, 21 November 2020, 10:45:07
IMO much of the discontent stems from the aggressive timeframe set by Plastik, which resulted in unrealistic expectations. I came to this conclusion after having a look at the round 1 gb, https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.0):
GB start: 2018/04
Shipping: 2019/08
(I triple checked). Let that sink in for a minute. Caveat emptor, indeed.

No bad blood at all, looking forward to my 80 :-*

And I won't bother Plastik on discord so he can concentrate on the process...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Sat, 21 November 2020, 14:51:55
in hindsight the very optimistic Q3 timeframe wasn't a good idea, still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys.



don't compare yourself to other GBs, compare it to your own timeframe. you set the targets, not the other vendors. what people need and want is more accountability, not more apologies and justifications for failure.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: yhs on Sat, 21 November 2020, 15:52:38
I'll be fully transparent - I have not followed this GB after joining at all. However, I read several unsettling posts lately and now read that GB runner has in fact refunded some of the GB participants, despite it not being GB policy (or standard in other GBs for that matter). Question: are you willing to refund my spot if I were to ask you to do so? I am sure someone else will want the extra board at some point. If not, will acting like a jerk make me eligible for a refund?

This is not a jab at GB runner at all, I am just trying to understand the mechanic here.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Sat, 21 November 2020, 17:21:14
People make mistakes.

There's nothing 'shady' about Plastik.

I don't care if my board takes another year.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 21 November 2020, 19:02:35
People make mistakes.

There's nothing 'shady' about Plastik.

I don't care if my board takes another year.

I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Sat, 21 November 2020, 23:17:58
People make mistakes.

There's nothing 'shady' about Plastik.

I don't care if my board takes another year.

nothing wrong with Plastik. no one said he was shady or anything. it's just the way he handled things.

you also can't speak for everyone. not everyone is okay with another year. if everyone just ends up enabling mistakes after mistakes, then the hobby will never progress.

at the end of the day Plastik has had prior GB experience, so we all know he's not shady.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: leetuser on Sun, 22 November 2020, 00:59:56
Honestly this board looks great. Was sad I missed the GB, but reading up to this point I'm happy to just watch this play out. I would love to purchase a board at some point. Does anyone know if there's any plans to sell these ever again after the GB is complete?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: parablol on Sun, 22 November 2020, 01:09:09
I missed the GB and if anyone who got a Planck-compatible case wants to give up your spot, I'll buy it from you.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: norb on Sun, 22 November 2020, 05:38:20
Honestly this board looks great. Was sad I missed the GB, but reading up to this point I'm happy to just watch this play out. I would love to purchase a board at some point. Does anyone know if there's any plans to sell these ever again after the GB is complete?

there will be extras available, you could try to grab one of them.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: radam on Sun, 22 November 2020, 08:55:05
I just want to mention that comparing yourself to other delayed group buys should not be used as positive measurement, or what is to be considered normal. I have noticed a bit of a standoffish attitude from providing updates before it got to this point. If you give yourself a goal, miss it, and tell yourself it's fine because you are still within a normal time frame, you will miss your next goal because pushing dates becomes acceptable. I believe that giving updates, weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly, keeps you feeling accountable and keeps the work in the forefront of your mind. I consider myself a procrastinator and this is how it works. It also gives participants confidence that you are always working on a solution for the current problems. Yes it's work, and you're just one person, but I believe that makes it a little more important.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:00:07
So still confidently on track for Q4 then as last update?

"harassment"

People wanting to know wtf is going on with something they bought when presented with confident timelines is not "harassment". There's an unavoidable loss of trust when you say things like "no updates is good news", citing the amount of time spent on communication as a reason for delays and then not communicating at all for months, people take you at face value and then you abuse that trust. This is not just people being impatient for no reason or "harassing". Viable suggestions have been proposed, e. g. if volume of orders is the issues, nothing stops you from processing them in batches of 200 as per your expected initial volume. If people have to wait for later batches because of that I'm sure some would still complain but most would be understanding and it wouldn't leave a bad taste in the mouth.

What you're describing is not harassment. But if you're following the direction the Discord server is taking you've seen him being subject to hate and vitriol. There's really no point to the Discord server anymore, if I could I'd lock it down. There are a lot of valid complaints and suggestions being voiced which drown in an endless sea of "wow I haven't been here for a while what happenend omg Plastik you shouldve seen this coming months ago lol what a ****show", ad nauseam. If all that were contained to this thread at least people wouldn't repeat the same rants every 30 minutes.
That being said, the group buy is being handled very badly and I really hope Plastikschnittstelle can filter out the noise and – instead of engaging those in it for the chaos – consider actually replying to some of the suggestions kicking around, such as the above quoted.

*Why not process in batches? If this isn't practical, tell us why please.
*You said sorting all the hardware is a daunting task all by yourself. Have you found someone to help you with that?
*You say you're waiting on two locations where you can sort and store cases. Lots of people have suggested renting out self-storage, have you looked into this? Germany is under a soft lockdown for at least a few more weeks, maybe you can strike a deal with an otherwise closed local business to rent out their space?

Also please for the love of god stop repeating still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys, that is not the issue.

[...] Saying "Delays are common in GB" thousand times will not solve anything. People will accept delays if you are transparent. [...]

Excellent reply. After not reading about this for like 6 months and not even remembering I'd gotten an early bird in the "pre-GB" stage I've just recently looked at a couple things because this thread kept getting bumped and the incessant trolling and just general ridiculous badgering is actually insane, never seen this in any other GB even when Ivan scammed like 80% of GH - not to say people being pissed off isn't warranted because it absolutely is, but good lord.

People may think it's crazy talk but this is why having literally anything be done via discord is an insane detriment to the sanity of anyone involved in any group buy. I swear if this had been done exclusively via Geekhack not even 5% of the toxicity would've been present (as is obviated by the fact the person that seemingly made the "meme" video has 5 posts with a 2020 account, among other things) - discord is a cesspool and the bane of anyone's mental state if they value it, save very specific cases where the servers are heavily gated and properly maintained. I would strongly suggest anyone looking to do anything relating to keyboards take that to heart.
Title: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:56:40
So still confidently on track for Q4 then as last update?

"harassment"

People wanting to know wtf is going on with something they bought when presented with confident timelines is not "harassment". There's an unavoidable loss of trust when you say things like "no updates is good news", citing the amount of time spent on communication as a reason for delays and then not communicating at all for months, people take you at face value and then you abuse that trust. This is not just people being impatient for no reason or "harassing". Viable suggestions have been proposed, e. g. if volume of orders is the issues, nothing stops you from processing them in batches of 200 as per your expected initial volume. If people have to wait for later batches because of that I'm sure some would still complain but most would be understanding and it wouldn't leave a bad taste in the mouth.

What you're describing is not harassment. But if you're following the direction the Discord server is taking you've seen him being subject to hate and vitriol. There's really no point to the Discord server anymore, if I could I'd lock it down. There are a lot of valid complaints and suggestions being voiced which drown in an endless sea of "wow I haven't been here for a while what happenend omg Plastik you shouldve seen this coming months ago lol what a ****show", ad nauseam. If all that were contained to this thread at least people wouldn't repeat the same rants every 30 minutes.
That being said, the group buy is being handled very badly and I really hope Plastikschnittstelle can filter out the noise and – instead of engaging those in it for the chaos – consider actually replying to some of the suggestions kicking around, such as the above quoted.

*Why not process in batches? If this isn't practical, tell us why please.
*You said sorting all the hardware is a daunting task all by yourself. Have you found someone to help you with that?
*You say you're waiting on two locations where you can sort and store cases. Lots of people have suggested renting out self-storage, have you looked into this? Germany is under a soft lockdown for at least a few more weeks, maybe you can strike a deal with an otherwise closed local business to rent out their space?

Also please for the love of god stop repeating still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys, that is not the issue.

[...] Saying "Delays are common in GB" thousand times will not solve anything. People will accept delays if you are transparent. [...]

Excellent reply. After not reading about this for like 6 months and not even remembering I'd gotten an early bird in the "pre-GB" stage I've just recently looked at a couple things because this thread kept getting bumped and the incessant trolling and just general ridiculous badgering is actually insane, never seen this in any other GB even when Ivan scammed like 80% of GH - not to say people being pissed off isn't warranted because it absolutely is, but good lord.

People may think it's crazy talk but this is why having literally anything be done via discord is an insane detriment to the sanity of anyone involved in any group buy. I swear if this had been done exclusively via Geekhack not even 5% of the toxicity would've been present (as is obviated by the fact the person that seemingly made the "meme" video has 5 posts with a 2020 account, among other things) - discord is a cesspool and the bane of anyone's mental state if they value it, save very specific cases where the servers are heavily gated and properly maintained. I would strongly suggest anyone looking to do anything relating to keyboards take that to heart.
“Join my discord server here”

It seems like having a separate Discord server nowadays is the ****. I’ve personally joined like at least 20 Discord servers and 99% of a time they serve 0 purpose. That is, after you disable all notifications cause otherwise you’ll go insane in a matter of days.

It seems like the whole concept of IM got misjudged and misapplied all over the place while insisting that “community engagement” is the way to go.

I have to disagree. In our age of information the quality and cohesiveness of thought is far superior to a sheer quantity.

Addressing the GB. Mistakes were made and that’s fine. Mistakes are the best way to learn and improve. The GB runner just need to address the suggestions on this thread and finally start to provide meaningful updates.

Update saying there are no updates is better that no update at all. A paragraph or two will suffice. It will take literally 15 minutes weekly to draft it and send here.

* Updates: Geekhack thread + mailing list (something like a trello board for currently worked on items will do wonders as well)
* Support: mail (maybe zendesk if GB runner is feeling fancy)
* Chatter: Discord server which is 100% ignored by the GB runner. Just make it clear that Discord is for customers to discuss and share. Not for updates. Not for support.

I get that managing things may be challenging especially when you get overwhelmed with a large order quantity etc. But above would take a day to setup at most while addressing the majority of constructive criticism at this point.

“it is still better the other group buys” -> “my original estimate was indeed overly optimistic and I apologize for this. The current rough ETA is X because of A,B and C”

“currently I’m communicating with multiple vendors regarding X. I should have a reply from them by Y. That will unblock A,B,C but D is still blocked on Z.”
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: perry4761 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 16:13:25

Addressing the GB. Mistakes were made and that’s fine. Mistakes are the best way to learn and improve. The GB runner just need to address the suggestions on this thread and finally start to provide meaningful updates.

Update saying there are no updates is better that no update at all. A paragraph or two will suffice. It will take literally 15 minutes weekly to draft it and send here.

* Updates: Geekhack thread + mailing list (something like a trello board for currently worked on items will do wonders as well)
* Support: mail (maybe zendesk if GB runner is feeling fancy)
* Chatter: Discord server which is 100% ignored by the GB runner. Just make it clear that Discord is for customers to discuss and share. Not for updates. Not for support.

I get that managing things may be challenging especially when you get overwhelmed with a large order quantity etc. But above would take a day to setup at most while addressing the majority of constructive criticism at this point.

“it is still better the other group buys” -> “my original estimate was indeed overly optimistic and I apologize for this. The current rough ETA is X because of A,B and C”

“currently I’m communicating with multiple vendors regarding X. I should have a reply from them by Y. That will unblock A,B,C but D is still blocked on Z.”

We've been asking for that since October, and the answer we've had is "what I'm doing is in line with other GB's, I don't understand why everyone is so mad, I'm not going to do updates every two weeks that's crazy".

Plastik needs to acknowledge that we aren't mad because we think he's running away with our money, or because of delays. We are mad because there is a lack of MEANINGFUL communication, and because the apparent cause of delays seems to be procrastination. Maybe it's not, but we don't have any updates to tell us it's not, all we know is that it isn't covid and that renting a space is a problem, and some solutions offered by the community (doing it in batches) have been ignored. There might be a very good reason why that's not a viable option, but please tell us! You don't have to address every question from everyone, and certainly not as a direct reply to each question, but addressing the most commonly asked questions is not unreasonable and can be done in a single post that would take as little as 20 minutes to write.

We're halfway into the Q4 estimate, and we haven't been told yet that the Q4 estimate, which was meant to be a "sure thing" is no longer feasible, but with the info we currently have it is obvious that this board will be delayed to 2021, and at this point Q2 2021 seems more likely than Q1.

Answering the following questions would help a ton with the vitriol from the community that this GB has been experiencing in the last few days:

What steps are being taken to resolve the issues that are stopping this group buy from going forward? Any news on the two places you were looking to rent? Were you able to find a manufacturer that will pack the screws and small components for you? If it took you 7 months to rent a space and find a screw manufacturer, how are you expecting to QC 1100+ boards and even more PCBs on your own before summer? Has production started (besides the PCBs)? If not, when and how long do you think it will take? Do you need help from the members of the community for anything?

I don't understand how this group buy became so secretive after such an open IC.

For what it's worth, I think that some of what happened in the Discord server was extremely rude and mean-spirited. It is best to ignore those who spend half of their day spewing hate at the project without contributing to a meaningful conversation, but to do so without addressing the constructive criticism and the solutions proposed by the more reasonable participants comes off as tone-deaf and is why the anger has carried on over here as well.

As one of those who has participated in the early bird funding of this project back in January, I still have faith in the runner and the project, but I wish there was more transparency, even in the "no updates" updates (ex: "still waiting on a place before manufacturing starts, the price of the places I was waiting was too high" or "still negotiating for the rental" or "made an offer, still waiting for answer" or "started manufacturing the first 200 boards" etc).

Good luck with everything Plastik, I can't wait to get my hands on my HMKB-80!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Mon, 23 November 2020, 01:11:13
For what it's worth, I think that some of what happened in the Discord server was extremely rude and mean-spirited. It is best to ignore those who spend half of their day spewing hate at the project without contributing to a meaningful conversation, but to do so without addressing the constructive criticism and the solutions proposed by the more reasonable participants comes off as tone-deaf and is why the anger has carried on over here as well.

As one of those who has participated in the early bird funding of this project back in January, I still have faith in the runner and the project, but I wish there was more transparency, even in the "no updates" updates (ex: "still waiting on a place before manufacturing starts, the price of the places I was waiting was too high" or "still negotiating for the rental" or "made an offer, still waiting for answer" or "started manufacturing the first 200 boards" etc).

Exact same position as a participant in the early funding, exactly my same thought. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Emir on Mon, 23 November 2020, 09:12:18
lumina vibes
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 23 November 2020, 09:27:59
lumina vibes
Exactly. On so many levels.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sprigun on Mon, 23 November 2020, 15:12:39
You understand the difference between interest rates on loans, credit cards etc versus savings, term deposits etc right?

Show me a savings or term deposit loan with 10-20% interest
This is not a credit card loan
You understand realities vs drama?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: tectonicplate on Mon, 23 November 2020, 18:29:42
I joined the Plastik's original SKB GB… and it took forever with far fewer boards to deal with. Eventually I got my board and it was great, ultimately worth the long wait. I decided to also join this GB knowing full well, regardless of what the GB runner claimed, this would most likely be a longer wait. I'm OK with waiting, and I've been fine with the communications, but these were my expectations going into this. Excited to get this board, whenever it shows up.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ponchofreedo on Mon, 23 November 2020, 19:37:31
I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.

its been beyond badgering at times. my take on it right now: we're coming up on the holidays, so things will probably be slowed down anyways. would be great to have some more meaningful transparency, as has been pointed out, but this is far from the worst groupbuy (as some people have been claiming) that ive been in or seen. some people just gotta chill and let the man do his thing, but it would be nice to get more meaningful transparency. its kind of like the capsunlocked scenario, but at least compared to that one, we haven't been gaslit every week.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 24 November 2020, 15:07:34
lumina vibes
Exactly. On so many levels.

I joined the hobby relatively recently (2019), what's up with lumina?

I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.

its been beyond badgering at times. my take on it right now: we're coming up on the holidays, so things will probably be slowed down anyways. would be great to have some more meaningful transparency, as has been pointed out, but this is far from the worst groupbuy (as some people have been claiming) that ive been in or seen. some people just gotta chill and let the man do his thing, but it would be nice to get more meaningful transparency. its kind of like the capsunlocked scenario, but at least compared to that one, we haven't been gaslit every week.

I have the same expectations mainly due to my experiences with my GBs. I'm not sure how much of the fears and concerns are driven by people even newer than me to the hobby.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Topweasel on Tue, 24 November 2020, 21:01:36
I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.

its been beyond badgering at times. my take on it right now: we're coming up on the holidays, so things will probably be slowed down anyways. would be great to have some more meaningful transparency, as has been pointed out, but this is far from the worst groupbuy (as some people have been claiming) that ive been in or seen. some people just gotta chill and let the man do his thing, but it would be nice to get more meaningful transparency. its kind of like the capsunlocked scenario, but at least compared to that one, we haven't been gaslit every week.

It is beyond badgering. I think its about to self destruct. I also think its where Group buys are going. This isn't 50-100 people glad that someone has the same vision as them, 10-50 people just glad they were able to order. This isn't specialty molded and colored plastic that's allowed to run late on everything even though they have manufactured hundreds of Group buys. This is 2000 people that found a semi interesting, semi affordable, stylized option, just as the mech market exploded. It's going to run into the same issue that Kickstarter saw years ago and the pressure of it is going to have a lose some creators and some group buys dying with no refunds, may taking a vendor down with it. Kickstarter had a hard time convincing people that it wasn't a store front, that any delivery times relied on the fact that the kickstarted product was successful and could hit projections, that nothing on the pledge was even guaranteed. You had kickstarters where to make sure it was successful and was able to provide the pledges to people who paid, had to ship to retailers first. But no, that isn't allowed, people would rather the business they funded folded as long as they got their product and got it first. We still see this now with Epomaker and Durgod getting trashed for shipping their crowdfunded returns with retail and storefront sales (where in a way both used Kickstarter, indegogo and so on as pre-order systems then crowdfunding).

Sorry getting a little ranty there and can go on and on. But the point being that the more people involved the more likely you have someone who think a projection is written in stone and they will have said part by the time some event rolls around. Or someone that thinks that any deviation from projections is affront to them. Or someone that thinks that because they input money they get to choose how a business is run. What happened here will happen again, and eventually a really big one will crash and burn, because they would rather be right then get their product. Here Plastik is doing what he can. Maybe he was shortsighted. Maybe isn't moving as fast as he can. But all it takes is one or two people travesty this, and omg why isn't your mind only on getting me my hardware that, and so on, to get some people talk like well maybe he didn't need to say it this way but maybe. I hate to say it but its the same stuff that the hate groups get so many people involve. They can be as loud and brash as they want to be but as long as they can get enough people to pick out something they can hold onto it escalates.

The truth of the matter is that this isn't a free market purchase and as much as anyone would have done it differently than Plastik, we got an est not a delivery date, we got no promises of updates. In fact the exact opposite we were told updates would be minimal. We didn't order a finished and stocked item. It will come in Plastik has had them produced, QC, packaged, and shipped through whatever logistics process he can come up with. It was always that way. All the lynching is going to do is cause Plastik to hermit up more, may cause us to lose a creator we didn't need to lose. All pushing for refunds does is create a self fulfilling prophecy (as each dollar returned is less to cover shipping costs and such depending on where in manufacturing it is. One guy mentions how I am sure the board will sell. Maybe, but only if it gets to that point. We don't know how much of the price is manufacturing, shipping, and margin. Its fine in the short term if it only affects the margins. But I am guessing that is relatively small for something like this. The questions is when does the house of cards fail, 10 returns, 20, 100. I wouldn't want to find out.

Next up will probably be Louis with the Primus. Much more expensive. Has already had some tension build on some of the side GB stuff and at least one he was full sponsoring. He updates more often. But its still 1 person QCing 1000 much more demanding GB. Cannon probs going to have fun if Sat75R2 sees any delays. Heck we have to keep in mind how toxic it gets when entitle brats don't get what they want. People were tearing into NK for selling out a $100 keyboard. This hobby is going to see a bubble burst soon maybe late 2021. Probably will look more like 2019 after that.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: KZzzz on Tue, 24 November 2020, 22:46:30
I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.

its been beyond badgering at times. my take on it right now: we're coming up on the holidays, so things will probably be slowed down anyways. would be great to have some more meaningful transparency, as has been pointed out, but this is far from the worst groupbuy (as some people have been claiming) that ive been in or seen. some people just gotta chill and let the man do his thing, but it would be nice to get more meaningful transparency. its kind of like the capsunlocked scenario, but at least compared to that one, we haven't been gaslit every week.

It is beyond badgering. I think its about to self destruct. I also think its where Group buys are going. This isn't 50-100 people glad that someone has the same vision as them, 10-50 people just glad they were able to order. This isn't specialty molded and colored plastic that's allowed to run late on everything even though they have manufactured hundreds of Group buys. This is 2000 people that found a semi interesting, semi affordable, stylized option, just as the mech market exploded. It's going to run into the same issue that Kickstarter saw years ago and the pressure of it is going to have a lose some creators and some group buys dying with no refunds, may taking a vendor down with it. Kickstarter had a hard time convincing people that it wasn't a store front, that any delivery times relied on the fact that the kickstarted product was successful and could hit projections, that nothing on the pledge was even guaranteed. You had kickstarters where to make sure it was successful and was able to provide the pledges to people who paid, had to ship to retailers first. But no, that isn't allowed, people would rather the business they funded folded as long as they got their product and got it first. We still see this now with Epomaker and Durgod getting trashed for shipping their crowdfunded returns with retail and storefront sales (where in a way both used Kickstarter, indegogo and so on as pre-order systems then crowdfunding).

Sorry getting a little ranty there and can go on and on. But the point being that the more people involved the more likely you have someone who think a projection is written in stone and they will have said part by the time some event rolls around. Or someone that thinks that any deviation from projections is affront to them. Or someone that thinks that because they input money they get to choose how a business is run. What happened here will happen again, and eventually a really big one will crash and burn, because they would rather be right then get their product. Here Plastik is doing what he can. Maybe he was shortsighted. Maybe isn't moving as fast as he can. But all it takes is one or two people travesty this, and omg why isn't your mind only on getting me my hardware that, and so on, to get some people talk like well maybe he didn't need to say it this way but maybe. I hate to say it but its the same stuff that the hate groups get so many people involve. They can be as loud and brash as they want to be but as long as they can get enough people to pick out something they can hold onto it escalates.

The truth of the matter is that this isn't a free market purchase and as much as anyone would have done it differently than Plastik, we got an est not a delivery date, we got no promises of updates. In fact the exact opposite we were told updates would be minimal. We didn't order a finished and stocked item. It will come in Plastik has had them produced, QC, packaged, and shipped through whatever logistics process he can come up with. It was always that way. All the lynching is going to do is cause Plastik to hermit up more, may cause us to lose a creator we didn't need to lose. All pushing for refunds does is create a self fulfilling prophecy (as each dollar returned is less to cover shipping costs and such depending on where in manufacturing it is. One guy mentions how I am sure the board will sell. Maybe, but only if it gets to that point. We don't know how much of the price is manufacturing, shipping, and margin. Its fine in the short term if it only affects the margins. But I am guessing that is relatively small for something like this. The questions is when does the house of cards fail, 10 returns, 20, 100. I wouldn't want to find out.

Next up will probably be Louis with the Primus. Much more expensive. Has already had some tension build on some of the side GB stuff and at least one he was full sponsoring. He updates more often. But its still 1 person QCing 1000 much more demanding GB. Cannon probs going to have fun if Sat75R2 sees any delays. Heck we have to keep in mind how toxic it gets when entitle brats don't get what they want. People were tearing into NK for selling out a $100 keyboard. This hobby is going to see a bubble burst soon maybe late 2021. Probably will look more like 2019 after that.

People need to realize that whatever the creator does, it is by their virtue, not out of necessity. Nothing is out necessity, because this is a enthusiast operated ecosystem. Anyone can pitch their ideas and host some sort of sale, and that's a double edge sword. Especially for a group buy, you need to understand the risk at hand, that at any moment the creator can call it a fail and move on without any final product.

That being said, the inaction of veteran hobbyists and creators is just sad. The hobby is growing, but the ways things work aren't. The groupbuy framework isn't meant for the large amount of customers, and I doubt it will ever really adapt to the growing hobby. So yeah, I guess this hobby will "crash" eventually, but it doesn't seen like a concern to anyone, certainly not you. Because at the end of the day, the nature of cool, novelty products sold online is its exclusivity, and the less people knowing this hobby just mean an easier win at a raffle for the next one-of-a-kind quirky keyboard you want.

As a side note, you mentioned the Primus groupbuy. I am not familiar with the situation (cool looking board btw), but I don't thinking bring up another unrelated GB in this thread is responsible. You are projecting an unofficial status of an unrelated group buy here, which would just mislead people. I think your comments on the status of the Primus GB would interests people who actually joined Primus GB more than the people here.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Tue, 24 November 2020, 23:27:36
Don't want to quote the two posts above me, but absolutely on point.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Topweasel on Wed, 25 November 2020, 09:24:16

People need to realize that whatever the creator does, it is by their virtue, not out of necessity. Nothing is out necessity, because this is a enthusiast operated ecosystem. Anyone can pitch their ideas and host some sort of sale, and that's a double edge sword. Especially for a group buy, you need to understand the risk at hand, that at any moment the creator can call it a fail and move on without any final product.
Agreed.

That being said, the inaction of veteran hobbyists and creators is just sad. The hobby is growing, but the ways things work aren't. The groupbuy framework isn't meant for the large amount of customers, and I doubt it will ever really adapt to the growing hobby. So yeah, I guess this hobby will "crash" eventually, but it doesn't seen like a concern to anyone, certainly not you. Because at the end of the day, the nature of cool, novelty products sold online is its exclusivity, and the less people knowing this hobby just mean an easier win at a raffle for the next one-of-a-kind quirky keyboard you want.

Who said I wasn't worried. I wouldn't have made that long of a post if didn't care. But I also know that it is probably inevitable and as a consumer I can only affect this by voting by wallet. I am not worried about GB's. Ill take my chances on boards I want and if the options move in a more tenable way (like companies picking up the slack) and there are boards I want ill go that way. You have to remember that hobbies have collapsed and came back stronger. Would the Nintendo have had the success that they had if the game market didn't implode, would there have been a push for gaming on PC's? The Dotcom bubble burst needed to happen to get the web experience we have today. If I had to predict the change would be less community run group buys, and more business run ones like KBD. Or just new products with supply waves like Novelkeys, the more unique selections go back to sub 100 parts with brands everyone knows like Keycult. Not a whole lot different, just more enthusiast boards from companies we already associate with, and known low supply luxury options, but the GB a week by a business that doesn't actually stock anything, or a creator just going out on their own will be dead.

As a side note, you mentioned the Primus groupbuy. I am not familiar with the situation (cool looking board btw), but I don't thinking bring up another unrelated GB in this thread is responsible. You are projecting an unofficial status of an unrelated group buy here, which would just mislead people. I think your comments on the status of the Primus GB would interests people who actually joined Primus GB more than the people here.
I guess if the fear mentioning it get people to do the same thing. Sure. Your right. I am not going to change what I said at this point but I will keep it in mind going forward. I think my point is legit though, but lets talk on more general terms I am on several custom's discord and there are one or two that have the same side discussions that started a couple of months ago with HMKB. There more people you have involved in the Group buy the higher likelihood of dealing with people who are unable to understand what a group buy really is.