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Title: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:38:26
Hello everyone,

So I've been working on my dream keyboard.
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(And already made a Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gcrb5k/the_rabelius/ ). But I want to get more serious about it.
It's a 105 key ANSI/ISO supporting board. (See the PCB and layout here: https://github.com/LordRabel/Rabelius/tree/master ).
Like the DISCIPLINE 65 by coseyfannitutti the top window allows sight on the components of the keyboard (which all have to be soldered).
More pictures are available on my imgur account: https://imgur.com/user/LordRabel/posts

I feel like 1800s and compact full size boards are so hard to find. Maybe there is not a huge demand for them, but I really need the numpad.
If you got any suggestions or things you would like to see feel free to tell me! Either here at Rabel#9414 trough Discord or trough Reddit u/Lord_Rabel.

I made a Google form too, which you can fill out here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSelQexONaXlF7qsbUTCsPeE1AouoGurZSPbyXEojNDGr0N1WQ/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1

I would love to see your feedback!

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Have a nice day
Lord_Rabel
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Crack85 on Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:40:12
Looks clean

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Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: thecyangiant on Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:43:28
This is really cool, a compact full size like this looks really nice. would a southpaw variant be a realistic option?

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Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Jaltr on Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:46:25
This looks v clean, I'm in.

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Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Vireca on Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:58:59
I dont get it, the case its going to be of aluminum? Or its a case like the Disciple, Plaid, etc?
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Rejeckted on Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:59:34
I'll be watching this. Still looking for a decent full sized custom. This is a contender
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:00:55
I dont get it, the case its going to be of aluminum? Or its a case like the Disciple, Plaid, etc?

I have to say I thought about it, but the top aluminum piece, the plate and the pcb/firmware would have to be redone. Maybe in a future version, but not in this one sorry.

I dont get it, the case its going to be of aluminum? Or its a case like the Disciple, Plaid, etc?

It's going to be aluminum, my google form lists all parts
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: TinyShinyCrumb on Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:14:04
I need this in my life!!! Really nice looking.


Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: TalksToChalk on Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:20:26
Looks clean


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Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: switchnollie on Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:20:53
What purpose will the top window serve?
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Jaltr on Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:21:52
What purpose will the top window serve?
To see the components and such.

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Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Capsy on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:08:07
Interesting layout and design. A few observations:

1) Top row looks very busy. Can probably remove a key and add indicator lights.
2) Sandwich mount is not bad but can be kind of very stiff with SS/brass plates. Making it a simple top mount would open up different plate materials like CF and can also push the design to a seamless look.
3) Components being displayed at the top look good but I think the board has enough going for it to not make the forehead larger. Okay with it either ways.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:22:30
Interesting layout and design. A few observations:

1) Top row looks very busy. Can probably remove a key and add indicator lights.
2) Sandwich mount is not bad but can be kind of very stiff with SS/brass plates. Making it a simple top mount would open up different plate materials like CF and can also push the design to a seamless look.
3) Components being displayed at the top look good but I think the board has enough going for it to not make the forehead larger. Okay with it either ways.

Thanks for your respons!
1.: Good idea, but I wanted to keep the all key layout (rotary encoder was an idea too), but LEDs would add more components to solder a therefor more crammed space. I don't really like that idea.
2.: Yeah I've heard of it, maybe I can add more holes in the Plate to make it more flexible, because I wanted the color accent of the plate on the side as a feature.
3.: I love soldering and I really wanted to solder my own keyboard once, that's why I made it this way.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: gipetto on Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:41:53
your kicad pcbnew file seems to be corrupted. when you click on a diode to route it every diode lights up. i don't know of any way to save a file like that, you generally have to start again from scratch, often needing to do the schematic too.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Pylon on Sun, 03 May 2020, 17:00:56
This is the same width as the Austin - it trades the 2u numpad 0 key for a better looking layout without the funny gap next to the right arrow on Austin.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: thornkin on Mon, 04 May 2020, 03:05:52
The look is amazing. Like the sandwich look and also the top window. I am interested, depending on price point...
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: vaf1en on Mon, 04 May 2020, 03:44:06
3.: I love soldering and I really wanted to solder my own keyboard once, that's why I made it this way.
Having the display window at the top is what draws me to this board.
But I really do not like those sentences at the top of the PCB. Would prefer it clean.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 04 May 2020, 03:45:41
Why oh why are there so many decent full size boards.  I love this and am interested but I am going to need to get a 2nd mortgage to cope with all the great boards that are being designed at the minute.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Mon, 04 May 2020, 04:17:09
Looks really nice
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Kalibrrr on Tue, 05 May 2020, 05:12:30
clean design with the clear part at the top
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Thighs on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:25:56
Custom text PCB? Hell yeah. Love it.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Wed, 06 May 2020, 01:23:31
Small update:
Thanks to everyone, giving me support and helping me with this project!!!
I'm currently in the phase of gathering all the components and making a price estimate. All small bits (screws, standoffs, electrical components) are pretty much in the range of $20-25.
The PCB is another big part. 50% of you (so far) like the idea of custom PCB text. I will talk with a supplier and  probably will get a custom silk version for $20-25 too. Ones who don't like the idea of custom text can leave it empty and get a small decrease in price (am not quite sure how much, but it's probably around $2-$5).
I really want to get this project up and running for less than $380. At the time of posting I only talked to one CNC supplier, who offers me a kit of 25 for like $330 each, however that's only for the Black version. Silver, gray and e-white where loved options too, that's why I have to try my best offering you the best I can. The problem is, that I don't know how much of which kind I can sell, making the estimate hard, because I want to give you the most accurate and less expensive option, so we can all be happy.

Hope you have a great week,
Lord_Rabel
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Sun, 10 May 2020, 06:49:26
-New plate
-PCB updated
-First render with components
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Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: BruceDinh on Sun, 10 May 2020, 07:50:15
That PCB so sick man!!

Love this design
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: i luv chuletas on Sun, 10 May 2020, 08:23:56
absolutely love this, the plate layer looks amazing from the sides too

any idea as far as timeline goes? Want one.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: TAKUUU on Sun, 10 May 2020, 10:11:27
Looks very nice
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:03:49
absolutely love this, the plate layer looks amazing from the sides too

any idea as far as timeline goes? Want one.

Me too xD
The files are all done and Õ only make small improvements. I'm currently in the process of pushing the costs down. We'll see how good I do on that
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: f1 on Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:13:09
Looks clean. Everything I was looking for in a compact full size. All the best!

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Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: penguinspy on Sun, 10 May 2020, 19:46:51
Following this, please offer add-on additional PCB's for those of us likely to mess up something soldering thru-hole components. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: fraymotif on Sun, 10 May 2020, 21:33:26
I really love this! Austin was the only other compact full size I've ever seen but the price and very limited run put it out of my reach. I actually like the look of this better, with the component window up top. A nice clean look and and a definite buy for me!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: PandamanPete on Mon, 11 May 2020, 06:37:31
This looks amazing, definitely interested!
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Mon, 11 May 2020, 11:34:59
I'm so sorry to say, that my idea of having a top glass windows probably isn't coming around. The problem is, that the factories I contacted don't make such small pieces with holes for a reasonable price. I've already figured out a way to sick with the 4 Standoffs and having no sag. But sadly it's probably going to be acrylic.
I hope you understand, however if you know a glass factory, that would do something this special feel free for letting me know.

With that said, have a great week!
Lord_Rabel
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 11 May 2020, 15:23:02
I'm so sorry to say, that my idea of having a top glass windows probably isn't coming around. The problem is, that the factories I contacted don't make such small pieces with holes for a reasonable price. I've already figured out a way to sick with the 4 Standoffs and having no sag. But sadly it's probably going to be acrylic.
I hope you understand, however if you know a glass factory, that would do something this special feel free for letting me know.

With that said, have a great week!
Lord_Rabel


So just to confirm, we'll still have a small window, it's just now going to be made of acrylic instead of glass?
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Mon, 11 May 2020, 23:17:58
So just to confirm, we'll still have a small window, it's just now going to be made of acrylic instead of glass?
Correct the window will still be there just acrylic instead of glass
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 11 May 2020, 23:20:42
if i'm gonna have that giant forehead i want a whole nav cluster

the only time i use a fullsize is when i'm using excel for work, for which i do use the nav cluster
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: stein3 on Mon, 11 May 2020, 23:31:59
You could get around the glass issue by having it slide into place through a slot in one of the sides. Bonus is that the glass could be standard rectangular which would be WAY cheaper to cut.

I'd also love to see some open through-hole slots to add optional LED lighting to the component window... just a circuit with resistor and LED, bonus points if it can be driven off the MCU.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Tue, 12 May 2020, 09:29:51
You could get around the glass issue by having it slide into place through a slot in one of the sides. Bonus is that the glass could be standard rectangular which would be WAY cheaper to cut.

I'd also love to see some open through-hole slots to add optional LED lighting to the component window... just a circuit with resistor and LED, bonus points if it can be driven off the MCU.

But with a slide in solution I would destroy the seamless look. Lighting in the Top compartment would, in my eyes, destroy the minimal look too. But you should be able to mod it to your liking, there would be enough space
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: manaorme on Sat, 16 May 2020, 12:22:06
Don't set the quantity limit too low plz.
I can find lots of gb running less than 100, too hard to get one :confused:
Also the price no more than $450 will be great.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: musdem on Sat, 16 May 2020, 12:43:49
Just missed out on the Austin R2, though I think this board is more my style. Hopefully I will be able to jump in on this one it looks fantastic!
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Xdoc6 on Sat, 16 May 2020, 13:20:33
Based on how fast Austin sold out, I donít think you should be concerned about the demand for a custom full size.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: musdem on Sat, 16 May 2020, 14:52:59
Based on how fast Austin sold out, I donít think you should be concerned about the demand for a custom full size.
I have a feeling it sold out so fast because there are so few choices so those who want one will really jump on a GB fast.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: roguesystem087 on Sun, 17 May 2020, 01:02:30
pretty dope, if feel the top bit might make the keyboard feel really large on the desk.
But if you can pull it off and make the keyboard some what affordable,
that... would be a pretty nice aesthetic touch to something that wouldn't normally have that top glass/acylic area (forgive me for not knowing the exact terminology for this see through area, seems to be more common on smaller boards but i have no idea what its for other than looking cool).

I do have one criticism tho, is there anyway to refine the logo for the brass weight?
so that it looks less ... 'texty' ? Or slightly more minimal branding if u know what i mean
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: amarotea on Sun, 17 May 2020, 03:36:42
I too find 1800s and compact full boards hard to find. Definitely watching.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: FRANCO on Sun, 17 May 2020, 05:33:10
Alps compatible?
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Fri, 22 May 2020, 10:39:59
Hey,
The last week and a half weren't that great, that's why I have to submit, that I am not able to fulfill a GB on my own.
On the one hand because of my lack of knowing how to do a GB and on the other hand because of personal stuff.
If somehow there is one wanting to work with me on releasing it, I would be happy to collaborate. However as it is now, I'm not able to.
I'm really sorry, I would have wanted the board too.

Have a nice weekend
Lord_Rabel
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: TibtibThePrincess on Fri, 22 May 2020, 12:35:03
Hey,
The last week and a half weren't that great, that's why I have to submit, that I am not able to fulfill a GB on my own.
On the one hand because of my lack of knowing how to do a GB and on the other hand because of personal stuff.
If somehow there is one wanting to work with me on releasing it, I would be happy to collaborate. However as it is now, I'm not able to.
I'm really sorry, I would have wanted the board too.

Have a nice weekend
Lord_Rabel

Sad to hear this I was looking forward to this.
I hope you can get things together and run this in the future.

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Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: atxk on Fri, 22 May 2020, 21:37:54
Will there be support for split backspace and/or split right shift?
Looking forward to seeing how this progresses, have been wanting a nice looking fullsize for a while now, this looks like it would be it!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: musdem on Fri, 22 May 2020, 22:26:11
Hey,
The last week and a half weren't that great, that's why I have to submit, that I am not able to fulfill a GB on my own.
On the one hand because of my lack of knowing how to do a GB and on the other hand because of personal stuff.
If somehow there is one wanting to work with me on releasing it, I would be happy to collaborate. However as it is now, I'm not able to.
I'm really sorry, I would have wanted the board too.

Have a nice weekend
Lord_Rabel


Hey I'm not sure if I'd be of help but I'd love to see this board actually go through to GB so if you'd like please PM me with the help you'd need and I'll let you know if I could be of help or at least point you in the right direction of someone who can.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Sylvestyeo on Sat, 23 May 2020, 17:44:50
+1 would love to see this turn live too!
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: nuclearzcy on Mon, 01 June 2020, 11:48:11
hey,I like the design very much,but what I want to know most is whether this product will be sold to China,is there a vendor?
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Whale_algorithm on Wed, 03 June 2020, 19:26:17
Would you consider a 2U zero?
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Pylon on Wed, 03 June 2020, 22:50:50
Would you consider a 2U zero?

That's...basically the Austin (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106139.0)
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Buttsecks on Thu, 04 June 2020, 10:05:21
Is there a possibility for a wkl version?
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: nyc_xela on Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:24:58
Definitely love this idea! I hope everything works out, would love to pick one up. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: clik_clak on Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:13:51
I love the idea, but one of the greatest features of the Msyterium/Discipline is the open-source nature of the projects. It looks like you may have had the PCB files available on your git but they've been removed.

Make it so the Gerbers/BOM/case files are open source and easily replicated and you have a real winner on your hands. I'd be the first to order my own PCB's and get a case cut for it. I'd love to get some PCB's made and build this up as I wait for my Austin R2 to get here.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:43:22
I love the idea, but one of the greatest features of the Msyterium/Discipline is the open-source nature of the projects. It looks like you may have had the PCB files available on your git but they've been removed.

Make it so the Gerbers/BOM/case files are open source and easily replicated and you have a real winner on your hands. I'd be the first to order my own PCB's and get a case cut for it. I'd love to get some PCB's made and build this up as I wait for my Austin R2 to get here.

I know. Open source projects are amazing. I too wanted to make it open source. However the PCB files aren't great. That's why I took them down. I know a laser made case would be cool, no doubt and I would be really interested in designing a rev2 of this board and making it open to the public, but I sadly don't have the possibilities to prototype and stuff right now. So maybe in future? I hope so
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: clik_clak on Wed, 12 August 2020, 12:10:19
I love the idea, but one of the greatest features of the Msyterium/Discipline is the open-source nature of the projects. It looks like you may have had the PCB files available on your git but they've been removed.

Make it so the Gerbers/BOM/case files are open source and easily replicated and you have a real winner on your hands. I'd be the first to order my own PCB's and get a case cut for it. I'd love to get some PCB's made and build this up as I wait for my Austin R2 to get here.

I know. Open source projects are amazing. I too wanted to make it open source. However the PCB files aren't great. That's why I took them down. I know a laser made case would be cool, no doubt and I would be really interested in designing a rev2 of this board and making it open to the public, but I sadly don't have the possibilities to prototype and stuff right now. So maybe in future? I hope so

What's not great about the PCB files? If the PCB files aren't that good, I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a full keyboard build of this. Releasing the PCB files would be a great way to get help and suggestions from community members to help you refine the PCB. With it only costing around $25 USD for 5 pcb's and another $10'ish in parts for building a PCB up, it's a cheap way to have community members give you feedback. I know I'd be happy to provide it myself.

I bet you'd even get some good suggestions from community members on getting a workable acrylic case for it as well.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Wed, 12 August 2020, 14:59:22
I love the idea, but one of the greatest features of the Msyterium/Discipline is the open-source nature of the projects. It looks like you may have had the PCB files available on your git but they've been removed.

Make it so the Gerbers/BOM/case files are open source and easily replicated and you have a real winner on your hands. I'd be the first to order my own PCB's and get a case cut for it. I'd love to get some PCB's made and build this up as I wait for my Austin R2 to get here.

I know. Open source projects are amazing. I too wanted to make it open source. However the PCB files aren't great. That's why I took them down. I know a laser made case would be cool, no doubt and I would be really interested in designing a rev2 of this board and making it open to the public, but I sadly don't have the possibilities to prototype and stuff right now. So maybe in future? I hope so

What's not great about the PCB files? If the PCB files aren't that good, I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a full keyboard build of this. Releasing the PCB files would be a great way to get help and suggestions from community members to help you refine the PCB. With it only costing around $25 USD for 5 pcb's and another $10'ish in parts for building a PCB up, it's a cheap way to have community members give you feedback. I know I'd be happy to provide it myself.

I bet you'd even get some good suggestions from community members on getting a workable acrylic case for it as well.

Ok yes you got a point there. I will look into it. My schedule is kinda rough, but I will do what I can when I do have time for it ツ
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: bobasweatandtears on Wed, 12 August 2020, 18:39:49
Good luck! It looks really good. I like how you married some of the highlighted aesthetic features I also really like in other boards together, but also in less-common layout.
In terms of the back design engraving, I'd prefer it was the large logo design came without the text 'rabelius' below. It's not bad as it is, but I think removing the bottom text would make it look better personally.
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: davisthegreat on Wed, 12 August 2020, 20:01:14
I like this alot - 1800 is my fave layout. The logo is a little busy on the back for me and removing the F-row would make it really compact w/o losing the full size feeling. Offer more plate options - Carbon fiber, FR4 and Polycarb would be nice. FR4 at minimum, its cheap and sounds great
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: engyshow on Thu, 17 September 2020, 04:34:03
Looks amazing... compact full size... :OO yes please!
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Starius on Thu, 17 September 2020, 08:30:51
Do you think the GB will go live this year?
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Thu, 17 September 2020, 09:08:19
Do you think the GB will go live this year?
No. I don't really like the design anymore. Sorry i would have to work out a new board and sadly haven't got time for it...
Title: Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
Post by: Starius on Thu, 17 September 2020, 15:49:23
Do you think the GB will go live this year?
No. I don't really like the design anymore. Sorry i would have to work out a new board and sadly haven't got time for it...

Ah sorry to hear that!  :'(