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Title: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:05:15
Do you love through-hole keyboards? Wish there was a more premium option? If youíve answered yes, I may have a keyboard for you! I present to you, Argyle.

IC Form (https://forms.gle/hdTaLvzSpWRFbHLS9)

Please take a minute to fill it out. If this goes to GB, most likely only the most popular 2 or 3 options will be offered.

Features:
Renders:

Rendered by Abec

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Additional Renders:
More
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PCB and Silkscreen:

(https://imgur.com/CGyyCjx.jpg)

The argyle patterns of the bottom corners needs no explanation. Love it or hate it? Let me know in the IC form. As for the logo on the top-right, I have been thinking about becoming a vendor serving Asia for some time now. It is still under consideration but I have put in some legwork including a name, MechSeoul, and a logo. Even if I decide to not go the vendor route, the logo is something I decided to place on my current and any future designs. It features N-Tower, an iconic communications tower located in the center of Seoul.

Supported Layouts:

(https://imgur.com/ul9KW2a.jpg)

Vendors:


Pricing and MOQ:

To be determined

Colors and Options:
Design:

I love the through-hole keyboards out there but I wanted one with a metal housing. So, I employed the wonderful team at ProtoTypist (Jae: logistics and fulfillment, James: housing design, Yiancar: PCB design) to make my idea into a reality. To give itís own flavor and to give a better view of the components, the components were split to the sides of the keyboard. The relatively high typing angle was also chosen to increase the visibility of the components. Even though 65% is my favorite layout by far, I couldnít pass up the opportunity to match the symmetry of the housing with the symmetry of the 60% layout. Because the focus of the keyboard is the side partitions, the rest of the design was kept relatively simple.

To-do:
Possible Concerns:

FAQ:

Q: How are the see-through panels held in place?

A: There are grooves for rubber/foam which will hold up the panels. The grooves can be seen in some of the renders if you look closely.

Q: How are the side partitions illuminated?

A: The image of the PCB shows the location of 10 RGB LEDs. These LEDs will shoot light up into a diffuser which will direct light off to the sides. One side of the diffuser is blocked off to prevent light bleed through the switch plate. A simple render of the implementation can be seen here:
More
(https://imgur.com/xOzeGFr.jpg)


Q: Could you add an bluetooth, OLED, rotary encoder, T-bar fader, fingerprint reader, and/or flux capacitor?

A: If the response of the IC/GB is positive, the GB runs smoothly, and the desire for a R2 is high, ideally I would add more features in future rounds. The design team and I already had to put our minds together to tackle a few obstacles such as elegant way to hold the panels in place and to light up the interior of the side partitions. More features means a higher chance something will fail or not be adequate. So, I'm starting simple now but I'm open to add more features in any future rounds.

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Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:05:47
(Reserved)
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: ab042896 on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:15:11
Woah, this is definitely a more sophisticated take on a through hole board, I like it!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: fropsie on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:16:56
Yes.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: singabore on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:18:48
poggies
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: PvtSkittles on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:21:10
I need it.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: donut_sauce on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:23:24
that is awesome
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Fredington on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:30:24
HHKB please.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: naked_and_jameson on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:33:59
Wow, amazing. Love it. I'll be in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: ttom on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:43:37
I love this, great work
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: huey on Fri, 08 May 2020, 14:58:05
Nice. Thank you for adding ISO support, the bottom engraving is fantastic, the silk-screen is classy and well done, and the overall minimal design is lovely.

Some form of PCB mount would make this board for me.

The renders do make it look silver to me though, I know it should be white but eh.

Also, how are the "glass" panels going to be mounted? It seems like the most fragile part of the design, while easy to replace, it's durability concerns me.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: badboy731 on Fri, 08 May 2020, 15:16:10
I was just wondering what this board was from the renders I've seen. Glad to see an IC for it!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Fri, 08 May 2020, 15:21:25
Nice. Thank you for adding ISO support, the bottom engraving is fantastic, the silk-screen is classy and well done, and the overall minimal design is lovely.

Some form of PCB mount would make this board for me.

The renders do make it look silver to me though, I know it should be white but eh.

Also, how are the "glass" panels going to be mounted? It seems like the most fragile part of the design, while easy to replace, it's durability concerns me.

First keyboard IC so I thought I'd keep it simple with top-mount. GMK Shoko has been rendered with silver housing.

There will be grooves to hold foam that will in turn hold up the panels. So, the panels are kind of gasket mounted? haha. Thought about putting gasket mount in the title but thought that would be too bait and switch. lol.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: neon_tom on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:49:53
Love this
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Magnificent Bureaucrat on Fri, 08 May 2020, 18:07:57
Odds on this is going to be out of the question for me finance wise, but this looks so freakin' good.

I live in hope of a cheap version of this premium version of the cheap through-holes :)
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: phat schlong on Fri, 08 May 2020, 18:36:39
I love this. Definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: worldspawn on Fri, 08 May 2020, 18:37:09
What's the intent with the I2C header?  If you rearranged the pins so it is GND 5v SCK SDA, one could install an OLED in that location as well.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517841096798109696/708461825704067143/unknown.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 08 May 2020, 18:42:32
Quirky but quite cool.  Could make a great gaming board.  Will there be any lighting on the sides?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 08 May 2020, 19:09:12
Very nice. Wish I didn't have so many 60s already coming. But definitely cool.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: FRANCO on Fri, 08 May 2020, 19:18:52
Would there be space to install a rotary encoder?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: abstractkb on Fri, 08 May 2020, 19:55:50
Wow, this is such an interesting design.  Do you have an idea of how the clear windows would mount inside the case?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: GarrettSucks on Fri, 08 May 2020, 20:18:14
This idea is really cool. But I donít think you should have argyle on the PCB. It really forces a distinct design style to the board that will clash with tons of keyset styles.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: DuellM on Fri, 08 May 2020, 20:45:42
So Many Awesome Keyboards coming out. Can't wait for this
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: i luv chuletas on Sat, 09 May 2020, 00:37:35
Wow, this looks amazing. A WKL version of this would be a must buy for me!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Sat, 09 May 2020, 02:07:54
This idea is really cool. But I donít think you should have argyle on the PCB. It really forces a distinct design style to the board that will clash with tons of keyset styles.

That's a good point. I will add a question to the IC form to see how others feel about it.

Quirky but quite cool.  Could make a great gaming board.  Will there be any lighting on the sides?


Yes. This has been mentioned in the original post. In the PCB image I have posted, you can see 4 LEDs per side. These LEDs will be shooting up into a diffuser. The diffusers will be blocked on one side to prevent light bleed through the switch plate.

What's the intent with the I2C header?  If you rearranged the pins so it is GND 5v SCK SDA, one could install an OLED in that location as well.

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517841096798109696/708461825704067143/unknown.png)


As I only commissioned the design, I do not know the intent of the I2C header.

An OLED would be a great idea. However, I'm afraid I would not want to add it currently. If there is a 2nd round, it would definitely be considered.

Would there be space to install a rotary encoder?

Rotary encoder will not be considered at this time and round.

Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Sat, 09 May 2020, 02:15:57
Wow, this is such an interesting design.  Do you have an idea of how the clear windows would mount inside the case?

This has been answered in a previous post:

There will be grooves to hold foam that will in turn hold up the panels. So, the panels are kind of gasket mounted? haha. Thought about putting gasket mount in the title but thought that would be too bait and switch. lol.

Odds on this is going to be out of the question for me finance wise, but this looks so freakin' good.

I live in hope of a cheap version of this premium version of the cheap through-holes :)

If you look closely at the PCB picture, there are 6 holes that can be used to screw into a back plate. So, it's a possibility it may be offered as a kit at a much later date.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Kalibrrr on Sat, 09 May 2020, 02:41:11
I'm in for this one for sure
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: beekey on Sat, 09 May 2020, 03:52:28
This is so nice. I love the look of nice electronic designs. I hope I can get one.

Are there other "good looking" electronic parts which could be added to the bottom corners, replacing the pattern? Copper coils (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Copper-wire-wound-coil-for-PCB_904687178.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Copper-wire-wound-coil-for-PCB_904687178.html), no function, just for the looks?

Or how about (a) rotary encoder(s)? Saw the previous answer.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: L-Ron on Sat, 09 May 2020, 04:08:27
I've been hoping for a premium through-hole board ever since I saw the Plaid. Love this, definitely in for one.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: equalunique on Sat, 09 May 2020, 14:38:38
Fantastic concept.

I try to stay away from 60% unless there is a 1x5 macro column to the left, or a 2x5 macro column in the case of 65%. Something about not having G & H in the center bothers me.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: worldspawn on Sat, 09 May 2020, 19:45:30

What's the intent with the I2C header?  If you rearranged the pins so it is GND 5v SCK SDA, one could install an OLED in that location as well.

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517841096798109696/708461825704067143/unknown.png)


As I only commissioned the design, I do not know the intent of the I2C header.

An OLED would be a great idea. However, I'm afraid I would not want to add it currently. If there is a 2nd round, it would definitely be considered.




I'm not suggesting you add the OLED, I'm suggesting you slightly change the pin arrangement so others can.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Sat, 09 May 2020, 20:46:54
This idea is really cool. But I donít think you should have argyle on the PCB. It really forces a distinct design style to the board that will clash with tons of keyset styles.

+1.

Honestly, I end up never using 60%'s because I miss the arrow keys too much. If I have the cash to burn when the GB goes live, I'll definitely consider it. Or if there is a 65% version in the future, I'm in. Best of luck!!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: blizzara01 on Sat, 09 May 2020, 21:08:07
Isn't acrylic is easily to scratch? Glass would be better I think.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Visionaire on Sun, 10 May 2020, 15:49:50
Would love to have those side compartments lit up at night.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 May 2020, 15:51:36
this is very interesting!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: mongoose27 on Sun, 10 May 2020, 15:54:23
Very nice, I'm liking this.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: vewy_nice on Sun, 10 May 2020, 16:33:48
Mmmm classic green pcb would be so spicy

Also would look good with some "useless" components in there. Like a few electrolytic capacitors or something... You know just cuz.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: switchnollie on Sun, 10 May 2020, 16:50:00
Sweet concept, one of the cleanest in this genre I've seen :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: hownowbrowncow on Mon, 11 May 2020, 01:31:48
Just set aside money for this. +1 for glass windows
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 11 May 2020, 01:59:24
It looks cool, but what the heck are those chips on the left and the right?  I've never seen anything in a package like that on a modern keyboard.  Are they just for looks or are those actual processors?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Mon, 11 May 2020, 03:14:51
Isn't acrylic is easily to scratch? Glass would be better I think.

To be determined. In any event, dimensions of the panels would be shared at a later date so that people may get acrylic or glass panels in different tint/color cut locally/online.

It looks cool, but what the heck are those chips on the left and the right?  I've never seen anything in a package like that on a modern keyboard.  Are they just for looks or are those actual processors?

This is a different take on the through-hole keyboards kits out there like the gingham, plaid, discipline, etc. All the components you see are functional. To my knowledge, the left chip handles the matrix and the right handles the LED lighting.

This is so nice. I love the look of nice electronic designs. I hope I can get one.

Are there other "good looking" electronic parts which could be added to the bottom corners, replacing the pattern? Copper coils (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Copper-wire-wound-coil-for-PCB_904687178.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Copper-wire-wound-coil-for-PCB_904687178.html), no function, just for the looks?

I will not be adding anything that doesn't have a function to the board.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: paulgali on Mon, 11 May 2020, 03:43:52
This is actually nuts. Love it!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 11 May 2020, 06:11:30
It looks cool, but what the heck are those chips on the left and the right?  I've never seen anything in a package like that on a modern keyboard.  Are they just for looks or are those actual processors?

This is a different take on the through-hole keyboards kits out there like the gingham, plaid, discipline, etc. All the components you see are functional. To my knowledge, the left chip handles the matrix and the right handles the LED lighting.

You are correct. Going off of Yiancar's previous designs, the left chip is an ATmega328 microcontroller (MCU), which does all of the keyboard work like matrix scanning, interpreting keycodes, communicating with the host, sending scancodes via USB etc. The right chip is an I/O port expander, which is used to allow the MCU to control the LED lighting since the MCU itself doesn't have enough GPIO pins (it has barely just enough for the key matrix).
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: ephemeral25 on Mon, 11 May 2020, 08:38:01
I am so IN.

Big fan of displaying smd components.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: hkiri on Mon, 11 May 2020, 08:46:37
Always have been a fan of those through hole kits and how they present the components on the top, but I never really liked the fact that they are missing a case.
This is definitely a must buy for me!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Mon, 11 May 2020, 09:59:27
(https://imgur.com/Sb2zUJ0.jpg)

Prototype PCBs are in. But I'm still waiting for the components to arrive.

Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: kedayap on Mon, 11 May 2020, 10:59:14
Just take my money already.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: TEL_Venom on Mon, 11 May 2020, 11:13:39
Love this!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: valkyr1e on Mon, 11 May 2020, 11:20:02
Just take my money already.

This.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 11 May 2020, 11:35:52
Definitely a very interesting & great looking board! I'd be down for one for sure! I love the ideal of a premium board with the exposed diode look.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Lazy_Borzoi on Mon, 11 May 2020, 11:41:54
Definitely interested.
Can you tell us if it's going to be an limited or unlimited GB?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 11 May 2020, 16:27:53
I'd be in for a HHKB layout if the price is reasonable
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: saqneo on Mon, 11 May 2020, 16:42:12
I hear what you're saying about the mod symmetry but I'd love to see this on a tight 65% layout (arrow key blocker only). Unfortunately I just can't bring myself to use 60%s anymore.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 11 May 2020, 16:43:50
Show Image
(https://imgur.com/Sb2zUJ0.jpg)


Prototype PCBs are in. But I'm still waiting for the components to arrive. Pending no issues with the PCB, after I build one, I'll most hold a raffle for 3 of them for free (not including shipping) with a backplate, components, and spacers through an event (most likely Instagram like & tag).

awe snap, I didn't see that it was Alps compatible.  Okay.  I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: PvtSkittles on Mon, 11 May 2020, 17:04:06
I would also prefer not having the argyle pattern printed on the PCB.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 11 May 2020, 17:10:19
I would also prefer not having the argyle pattern printed on the PCB.

Make sure you fill out the IC form in the Original post.  There is a section where you can tell him that.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: octix on Mon, 11 May 2020, 19:00:40
Remember seeing a render of this before. Iím so in for this!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Eviscerae on Tue, 12 May 2020, 09:30:51
For us HHKB fans, Can you move the 1.5U left shift over to the right, exchanging places with the 1U key?  It would make an HHKB layout very symmetrical, and quite possibly improve on that design even more!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Tue, 12 May 2020, 11:27:51
Amazing.  Iím in.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: HannibalChew on Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:49:31
Love this. Would love it more with a HHKB layout. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Tue, 12 May 2020, 21:56:50
Very clean! Looking for updates to come :)
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: sugar.tea.milk on Tue, 12 May 2020, 23:57:05
I was thinking that the black one would make a nice office keyboard, and then I saw additional renders for white with red PCB!
Both options look so nice, it's quite hard to choose between the two.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: vaf1en on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:50:51
Think I need two of these, one white with red PCB and one navy with white PCB.  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: scatology on Wed, 13 May 2020, 14:55:09
Does the case have a seam? The renders don't show it but the bottom makes me think it has one. I like the design but I don't buy keyboards with seams because I don't really like it unless the designs is amazing like this one! haha.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Wed, 13 May 2020, 15:31:20
Definitely interested.
Can you tell us if it's going to be an limited or unlimited GB?

It will be limited. The details and options are still being hashed out but you can probably expect 100 to 200 units. Most likely right in the middle at around 150.

Does the case have a seam? The renders don't show it but the bottom makes me think it has one. I like the design but I don't buy keyboards with seams because I don't like it.

Yes, it has a seam.


What's the intent with the I2C header?  If you rearranged the pins so it is GND 5v SCK SDA, one could install an OLED in that location as well.

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517841096798109696/708461825704067143/unknown.png)


As I only commissioned the design, I do not know the intent of the I2C header.

An OLED would be a great idea. However, I'm afraid I would not want to add it currently. If there is a 2nd round, it would definitely be considered.




I'm not suggesting you add the OLED, I'm suggesting you slightly change the pin arrangement so others can.

The pin arrangement has been changed. But since it was not in the scope of the commission, OLED functionality will not be provided by us. Hopefully someone in the community can.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Lazy_Borzoi on Wed, 13 May 2020, 18:08:58
Definitely interested.
Can you tell us if it's going to be an limited or unlimited GB?

It will be limited. The details and options are still being hashed out but you can probably expect 100 to 200 units. Most likely right in the middle at around 150.




Thank you for your answer. I hope you will consider to raffle the GB spots and not FCFS. I feel like at least with the raffle, everyone has got the same chance. I can't compete with bots in the FCFS format. I tried joining many GBs that were limited and never got in. Not once.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: fluxlab on Thu, 14 May 2020, 01:21:38
Best design of this style I've seen man. Just wish an ortho version is available..

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Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: markclemmons on Tue, 19 May 2020, 02:58:26
Love this one

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Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Dyto69 on Tue, 19 May 2020, 03:33:46
Oh yes, i really want that to happen. Definetly one of the coolest 60% that i saw.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: timbuktew on Wed, 20 May 2020, 15:04:53
Super into this, really hope it happens!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: izroll on Wed, 20 May 2020, 17:26:05
Love it! Praying to the raffle gods in advance.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: mongoose27 on Wed, 20 May 2020, 17:39:10
Very interested in this one!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: ackzot on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:02:09
love the design aesthetic, especially the black. it's longer lengthwise than most 60s, so feels a little counter intuitive in terms of working against one of the benefits of a 60 keyboard.

still debating as it feels more like show piece than a daily driver, but at least it presents a 60 keyboard that is visually striking compared to others.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: diddykang on Wed, 20 May 2020, 21:10:51
Love the design. Def interested.. would kill for an orange/yellow housing.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: ilikerustoo on Thu, 21 May 2020, 01:21:15
I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Thu, 21 May 2020, 06:09:14
love the design aesthetic, especially the black. it's longer lengthwise than most 60s, so feels a little counter intuitive in terms of working against one of the benefits of a 60 keyboard.

still debating as it feels more like show piece than a daily driver, but at least it presents a 60 keyboard that is visually striking compared to others.

No denying that the main focus of this keyboard is the through-hole aesthetics. The other through-hole kits like the plaid, discipline, and gingham are the same. There's no real reason for the components to be in a separate area unless it is to give some visual impact. The Argyle is just taking that a step further. So, yes, the design is not functional, but I hope to deliver a more premium feel than simple sandwich mount PCB kits while keeping the aesthetics.

Thank you for your answer. I hope you will consider to raffle the GB spots and not FCFS. I feel like at least with the raffle, everyone has got the same chance. I can't compete with bots in the FCFS format. I tried joining many GBs that were limited and never got in. Not once.

The plan is to have multiple vendors. And it is easiest for them to simply do a FCFS format GB. If the first GB is successful, I would be love to have additional rounds.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: rmw2013 on Thu, 21 May 2020, 16:55:10
Really hope we get to see multiple PCB colors

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Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: d00deitsnik on Fri, 22 May 2020, 04:00:34
This looks super cool. I'd be willing to use it as a daily driver because of its aesthetics.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: IvernTheTree on Sun, 24 May 2020, 02:51:19
Can there be more renders of the pcb color options? I am so hyped cuz this will be my first build <3 :D
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: BaltO on Mon, 25 May 2020, 01:31:03
actually beautiful
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: roguesystem087 on Mon, 25 May 2020, 06:57:41
pretty cool! hope this makes it to GB!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: amperrsand on Tue, 26 May 2020, 17:17:52
I didn't even know through-hole keyboards (or the see-through part moreso, not the through-hole part) was even a "genre" of keyboard. Idk if I'll be able to buy this, but it's slick as hell, man.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: RŲk on Wed, 27 May 2020, 17:07:16
Definitely interested!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: GaNeBaL on Fri, 29 May 2020, 11:49:26
would love to see this board, also, any more info on plates? would love to see a halfplate
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 29 May 2020, 11:55:58
Simon told me this is good
So I am in.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: maximize on Fri, 29 May 2020, 18:45:14
Holy hell, this is beautiful.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: chickenballs on Sun, 31 May 2020, 10:09:43
I think you said you might do a 65 and 75% after the 60%, I'm sure it's very hard to estimate times but can you guestimate when would they be available ? If I have to wait like 1-2years to get the other version then I might just jump on the 60 lol

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Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 31 May 2020, 10:50:33
Show Image
(https://imgur.com/Sb2zUJ0.jpg)


Prototype PCBs are in. But I'm still waiting for the components to arrive. Pending no issues with the PCB, after I build one, I'll most hold a raffle for 3 of them for free (not including shipping) with a backplate, components, and spacers through an event (most likely Instagram like & tag).

awe snap, I didn't see that it was Alps compatible.  Okay.  I'm in.

Wait wut, ALPS..... yeah I'm in for sure now too!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Sun, 31 May 2020, 11:59:41
I think you said you might do a 65 and 75% after the 60%, I'm sure it's very hard to estimate times but can you guestimate when would they be available ? If I have to wait like 1-2years to get the other version then I might just jump on the 60 lol

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I'm sorry. I really can't say. It depends on many different factors.

A shortened but not so short version: The design for the 65% isn't going to start until the 60% GB is over. First, a prototype for the 60% needs to be approved by Jae (of Prototypist) and I. Also, we'd need to find a date range that all the vendors can agree on to run the GB. After the 60% GB ends, then would come the design phase of the 65%. I haven't given too much thought on what changes I'd make if any for the 65% version other than the layout. After the design is completed and approved, we'd go to prototype phase. Again, a proto would need to be approved before GB for the 65%.

Any time estimate I give now would just really be a random guess. This would be my first keyboard GB and it really has given me a lot of insight in how complicated the process is.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: wolfez4444 on Tue, 02 June 2020, 07:30:02
Absolutely love this design! I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: scie on Tue, 02 June 2020, 08:35:59
As a newbie to this  :-[ I have to ask what is the purpose of the I2C header and what could I do with it? Besides that, it is a really nice looking board and maybe that would be my first gb.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Beef Supreme on Thu, 04 June 2020, 10:41:09
Beautiful design! I also like the idea of lighting up the components with an LED.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: dudeship on Thu, 04 June 2020, 12:00:09
This is awesome, will you ever make a 75% version?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: MShaw09 on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:07:22
Saw this board and decided to finally make an account instead of lurking for so long...
Are there any ways other than GH to stay updated with the progress, like a discord server? Definitely don't want to miss this one!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Cold Hands on Mon, 08 June 2020, 01:21:34
I need this in my life please
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: x86ect on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:08:05
Hey Seoulcialite, not sure if it's too late for this but, would it be possible to put an LED beside each one of the diodes and have the LED light up when electricity flowed through it?

Edit: Hmmm... perhaps it would make the sides too wide.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: TheHMan on Mon, 08 June 2020, 19:40:09
Is there a discord for updates?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Zoba on Mon, 08 June 2020, 22:22:57
Love the look of this!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Tue, 09 June 2020, 01:07:06
Hey Seoulcialite, not sure if it's too late for this but, would it be possible to put an LED beside each one of the diodes and have the LED light up when electricity flowed through it?

Edit: Hmmm... perhaps it would make the sides too wide.

Yeaaaaa.... more than a couple of problems with that. That would require drastic changes to the PCB and housing. Design for the PCB already been completed and I already have the prototype PCBs with me. Prototype housing has been made and is now in the hands of Jae (of ProtoTypist) for fitment testing. I think it would definitely tip the balance aesthetic and functionality in a negative way.

Is there a discord for updates?

Not at the moment. I will post discord info once the prototype is approved and we get a better estimate on when the GB will run.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Bachoo on Tue, 09 June 2020, 11:07:53
I'm very into this.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Kreath on Fri, 12 June 2020, 22:38:00
I'm excited to follow the progress of this board!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Sun, 14 June 2020, 12:59:37
(https://imgur.com/G1LccUy.jpg)

Decided to post a little tease. Prototype is currently in Jae's possession. He will be doing fitment testing for the plate, pcb, and see-through panels before sending it to me for final approval.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: scatology on Sun, 14 June 2020, 13:09:36
SEXY!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: stein3 on Sun, 14 June 2020, 13:24:43
Will Jae be building that or will you? Can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 16 June 2020, 12:02:29
More interested.  Looking good.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: ♾Ḋḯṩⱥṩẗḝṟ on Wed, 17 June 2020, 05:36:15
Show Image
(https://imgur.com/G1LccUy.jpg)


Decided to post a little tease. Prototype is currently in Jae's possession. He will be doing fitment testing for the plate, pcb, and see-through panels before sending it to me for final approval.

Chamfered edges are looking real clean, can't wait to see more. Please keep the teasers/updates coming ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 17 June 2020, 06:00:10
Quote
Tops: standard (possibly WKL and HHKB)

How likely is a HHKB top looking at this point?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: grundlemere on Wed, 17 June 2020, 08:19:03
This is super extra. Love the Radio Shack vibes. I can't wait to see it lit up!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 17 June 2020, 23:20:49
This is super extra. Love the Radio Shack vibes. I can't wait to see it lit up!

er... i don't think it lights up
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: IvernTheTree on Thu, 18 June 2020, 01:48:09
This is super extra. Love the Radio Shack vibes. I can't wait to see it lit up!

er... i don't think it lights up
Wait didn't the one who made it said that there will be led on the side to light the sides up?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 18 June 2020, 04:56:33
This is super extra. Love the Radio Shack vibes. I can't wait to see it lit up!

er... i don't think it lights up
Wait didn't the one who made it said that there will be led on the side to light the sides up?

Features:
  • ...
  • RGB LEDs for the side partitions
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Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: bow3i on Fri, 19 June 2020, 03:28:19
i like this a lot
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 19 June 2020, 10:05:04
Oh, neat.  It does have leds.  Looks like 4 rgb led spots on the pcb on both sides.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Llamakob on Sun, 21 June 2020, 05:36:07
Love this board do far, if its not too expensive ill probably be in for one, Also finally a board that is based from an EU Proxy.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: wolfez4444 on Wed, 22 July 2020, 14:27:49
Any updates? Really looking forward to this!  :)
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: beekey on Wed, 22 July 2020, 14:43:26
Quote
Tops: standard (possibly WKL and HHKB)

How likely is a HHKB top looking at this point?
Would also like to get a HHKB top.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 04 August 2020, 12:49:11
My DCS red alert shipped and I saw the render that reminded me of this IC  :p

Updoots?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Tue, 04 August 2020, 14:53:13
My DCS red alert shipped and I saw the render that reminded me of this IC  :p

Updoots?

It seems like glass will not be viable. It's difficult to find a glazier that can cut to the specifications that we need, the tolerances would not be close enough, and also it'd be too costly. Jae has ordered acrylic panels which should arrive this week. So, we're hoping to finish fitment testing of all the parts soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 04 August 2020, 15:35:44
My DCS red alert shipped and I saw the render that reminded me of this IC  :p

Updoots?

It seems like glass will not be viable. It's difficult to find a glazier that can cut to the specifications that we need, the tolerances would not be close enough, and also it'd be too costly. Jae has ordered acrylic panels which should arrive this week. So, we're hoping to finish fitment testing of all the parts soon.

That all makes sense.  Thanks for the update. Such a lovely project. 

What about offering an add on for an additional set of windows.  Could keep them stored away for down the road if you get a bad scratch.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 04 August 2020, 16:53:00
My DCS red alert shipped and I saw the render that reminded me of this IC  :p

Updoots?

It seems like glass will not be viable. It's difficult to find a glazier that can cut to the specifications that we need, the tolerances would not be close enough, and also it'd be too costly. Jae has ordered acrylic panels which should arrive this week. So, we're hoping to finish fitment testing of all the parts soon.

That all makes sense.  Thanks for the update. Such a lovely project. 

What about offering an add on for an additional set of windows.  Could keep them stored away for down the road if you get a bad scratch.

I second Pixel's ideal, scratching is the only real issue with using acrylic. If you offer extras nobody can complain down the road if theirs get scratched & they didn't buy an extra set, LOL!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 04 August 2020, 17:55:54
Or make the files available in a public repository so people can cut their own 5 years from now. 
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Owl- on Tue, 04 August 2020, 19:53:54
Why not go for museum/gallery grade variants? pretty sure they won't scratch as easily and are easier to cut for that matter. Could be less pricey.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: macomac on Wed, 05 August 2020, 14:07:23
Really like everything about this board. Can't wait to see more progress!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Dubsadan on Wed, 05 August 2020, 16:26:52
My DCS red alert shipped and I saw the render that reminded me of this IC  :p

Updoots?

It seems like glass will not be viable. It's difficult to find a glazier that can cut to the specifications that we need, the tolerances would not be close enough, and also it'd be too costly. Jae has ordered acrylic panels which should arrive this week. So, we're hoping to finish fitment testing of all the parts soon.

Appreciate the update. Glass is nice but not worth any significant cost increase.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: scatology on Wed, 05 August 2020, 16:34:02
The shape of the acrylic seams rectangular so glass planels are easily doable on your side if you really want to have glass.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Thu, 06 August 2020, 01:41:38
The shape of the acrylic seams rectangular so glass planels are easily doable on your side if you really want to have glass.

Glass panels were something we really wanted. It's not like we contacted one shop, was declined, and gave up on the idea. Jae has contacted a handful of glazier shop but the radius of the corners is too small. Also we would need 2mm thickness whereas most shops only do 4mm minimum. Finally, as I stated before, the tolerances would not be tight enough for the mounting system that we are using. No question that we could probably get something in that shape with glass but the chances that it wouldn't fit or would not be snug with the rubber mounting seams would be too high. However, we will be releasing the files for the panels after the group buy for anyone that wants to try to get them made themselves.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: scatology on Thu, 06 August 2020, 10:54:44
I was talking from your perspective.  I meant that the customer can easily make the panels on their side. It wasnít clear, my bad.

Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Thu, 06 August 2020, 11:35:13
I was talking from your perspective.  I meant that the customer can easily make the panels on their side. It wasnít clear, my bad.



The shape of the acrylic seams rectangular so glass planels are easily doable on your side if you really want to have glass.

Glass panels were something we really wanted. It's not like we contacted one shop, was declined, and gave up on the idea. Jae has contacted a handful of glazier shop but the radius of the corners is too small. Also we would need 2mm thickness whereas most shops only do 4mm minimum. Finally, as I stated before, the tolerances would not be tight enough for the mounting system that we are using. No question that we could probably get something in that shape with glass but the chances that it wouldn't fit or would not be snug with the rubber mounting seams would be too high. However, we will be releasing the files for the panels after the group buy for anyone that wants to try to get them made themselves.


Yeah, its a difficult one. We can physically get glass cut to size, but its not cheap, and its not toughened as we need it in 2mm thickness. From a safety perspective I wouldn't be comfortable with 2mm thick glass in there after some conversations with Glaziers - plus there would be some re-design of the board needed as we would need to change the internals and thicken up the height to accommodate thicker glass and still have room for components. Given the cost associated to achieve that, plus the cost variance in glass and acrylic vs having a great material available in perspex off the shelf it def makes sense to go with that for now.

That being said we can always open up the files for people to get some additional materials made up for the window areas.

Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 06 August 2020, 15:52:36
Just submitted my IC.
Good luck with this one. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: nathanchere on Fri, 07 August 2020, 06:06:32
Quote
Tops: standard (possibly WKL and HHKB)

How likely is a HHKB top looking at this point?

Just in case this was accidentally missed... *bump*
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: zekth on Fri, 07 August 2020, 17:01:16
Red and white hhkb such a cool combo
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Fri, 07 August 2020, 20:48:47
Acrylic should be just fine for this application. 

Looking forward to this one big time.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: jagger27 on Sat, 08 August 2020, 20:35:12
I need this so much
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: darthcapn on Sat, 08 August 2020, 20:43:11
Expected timelframe for gb?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: EMC Labs on Sat, 08 August 2020, 21:27:26
How likely will the HHKB and WKL tops be included?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Mon, 10 August 2020, 01:51:33
How likely will the HHKB and WKL tops be included?

Expected timelframe for gb?

I hope to have more details soon. Testing the prototype is almost complete.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: keebpleeb on Mon, 10 August 2020, 09:26:45
Just stumbled upon this - I love me some through-hole builds and this one is super fun! GLWIC - I'll be watching this one closely!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Zenith10010 on Tue, 18 August 2020, 20:13:13
Looks like I found my next board. Looks absolutely incredible, well done!
Hopefully this comes to Deskhero.ca
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: dirtegg on Sat, 22 August 2020, 16:06:08
This is the keyboard that finally made me create an account here... eagerly awaiting future announcements regarding its development!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Mtvan87 on Thu, 03 September 2020, 21:01:27
Looks very nice, loving the left & right components.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: jimboytacos on Fri, 04 September 2020, 15:18:57
Curious to ask ...
If I were to reverse engineer a pcb to fit this case, would the spacing, which houses the dual-side clear panels, fit 1.5U keycaps properly? Say, keycaps from an ergo kit....

Do you have a render of what it might look like? Just cuz I'm being extremely adventurous.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: atlanticise on Tue, 15 September 2020, 08:45:23
this is truly super cool! i'm very interested, will this be a limited GB?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: archerypro459 on Tue, 15 September 2020, 10:21:50
haven't always been a fan of through hole, but my god is this pretty.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: EXOgreen on Wed, 16 September 2020, 13:11:22
I am interested as well. Im a fan of products that show off the machine behind the function.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: alspdx on Wed, 16 September 2020, 23:09:26
So good, HHKB please!
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: jagger27 on Fri, 16 October 2020, 01:01:56
ne gb date?
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Ulei on Tue, 20 October 2020, 01:43:05
Really interested if my wallet says yes.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: Seoulcialite on Mon, 26 October 2020, 14:22:28
The implementation of window mount and the diffuser was not exactly satisfactory. We will be making some minor changes and ordering another prototype. We are aiming to have the GB in Q1 of next year. Also, it is quite likely that we will be able to offer more units than the previously mentioned estimate of around 200. I will provide more updates as I get them.
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: SnowShy on Mon, 26 October 2020, 16:57:26
YES PLEASE
Title: Re: [IC] Argyle - 60% Through-hole Keyboard
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 26 October 2020, 18:23:54
The implementation of window mount and the diffuser was not exactly satisfactory. We will be making some minor changes and ordering another prototype. We are aiming to have the GB in Q1 of next year. Also, it is quite likely that we will be able to offer more units than the previously mentioned estimate of around 200. I will provide more updates as I get them.

Did the prototype give any answers re: likelihood of running this with HHKB blocker option?