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Title: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: Lil on Mon, 17 August 2020, 16:42:52
Ex Arkhes - TKL

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Hi Everyone,

After buying a few too many keyboards I wanted to design something myself. The name is in recognition of that; meaning literally "borne of the beginning", and marks my first keyboard design.
Aesthetically I was inspired by the shape of the rowing shell and the katamaran, which manifests in curved profiles, bezels and a back/top piece reminiscent of a boats motion over water.

Here are two renders by Pikku-allu:

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Specifications:
. WKL 7u only bottom row
. 4.2 degree typing angle
. O-ring gummy worm mount - ala Jane v2 CE, 356 Mini etc
. Curved seamless case profile
. H88 PCB by Hineybush - F13 TKL form factor
. 6063 Aluminium case and plate

Two versions of the keyboard kit

I am planning to have two versions, one with an aluminium base and the other with a full brass base. I have some ball-park figures for pricing, but not set as it depends on MOQ. The machine time is long with the seamless top case and curves which makes it expensive relative to other keyboards. The reason why the common rectangle seamed design is the standard is because it is inexpensive to machine.

A full aluminium version unbuilt without the plate weighs roughly around 2kg, whereas the brass base on its own weighs around 3.5kg.

Alu ~ $550-600 depending on the number of units. I hope to keep this on the lower end, $600 would only be for a 50 unit run or less for example.
Brass base ~$680

IC form, where you can vote on colours

Please fill out this IC form to help me gauge interest: FORM HERE (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfM1ZbRhqRwQnO34pEYD0VkFi-YHW_wVomEtcus-wu7KUsS4Q/viewform)


Supported Layouts:
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The duro of the o-ring has not been finalised.

The prototype has arrived, I ordered a silver aluminium top, a red aluminium base, a brass base and some plates. I will have to wait for the H88s to be shipped out sometime later this month to build it, at which point I'll post pictures and a typing test

Here's a look at the brass base and the bottom internals:

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I want to say a special thanks to James of Alchemist Keyboards. You can see and keep track of some of his exciting upcoming projects like the AKB-OGR and Raine V2 if you join his discord server here: https://discord.gg/yPkfGGC [updated link]
I also would like to thank Pikku-allu who is helping me with renders, keycap renders should be available shortly. Sneak peek:

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Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype arrived: photographs 30th Sept]
Post by: Lil on Mon, 17 August 2020, 16:44:25
For now, this is where you can find more prototype pictures!

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This is where i'll post the build photographs of the Prototype once I receive the PCB


Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: yoot on Mon, 17 August 2020, 16:49:14
This board got cuuuuuuuurves
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: bisoromi on Mon, 17 August 2020, 16:51:45
sharp boi glwic
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Mon, 17 August 2020, 16:52:17
I'm glad to see the Typemaster is being taken in a slightly more original direction.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: jjexpat00 on Mon, 17 August 2020, 17:04:21
In for a float test...

Would be interested to see a catamaran version with a "split" design weight.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Phrillis on Mon, 17 August 2020, 17:32:12
i see f13, i like
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Kinesiologist on Mon, 17 August 2020, 18:35:17
This looks great, i'm sure you will have no trouble "sailing" this to the public :D
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: IMZO on Mon, 17 August 2020, 19:48:20
Looks pretty nice! F13 stonks! GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: TheMilkmen on Mon, 17 August 2020, 20:13:34
O-ring gasket is absolutely a yes. Very interested to see this progress!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: immaphantomlol on Mon, 17 August 2020, 20:22:22
this is pretty dope!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 17 August 2020, 21:26:51
Catamaran looks like it's got dual usb-c

What's the bottom of the board look like?
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: fropsie on Mon, 17 August 2020, 23:55:34
Certainly interesting!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: GaNeBaL on Tue, 18 August 2020, 00:35:12
i'm gonna touch the butt
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Nonnegaard on Tue, 18 August 2020, 02:51:15
Every single, and I genuinely mean EVERY single TKL should have F13. It makes the top symmetrical (at least until the nav), and it makes for the perfect spot for an artisan. It's a no-brainer.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: GMK83 on Tue, 18 August 2020, 03:34:10
Looks good!  Titanium bottom would be cool.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: ephemeral25 on Tue, 18 August 2020, 06:10:19
First keyboard based on a nautical theme that I actually like. Can't wait for renders !
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Ja3_420 on Tue, 18 August 2020, 08:02:27
but does it float?
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: EMC Labs on Tue, 18 August 2020, 08:10:51
nice sutuff
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: OBL17 on Wed, 19 August 2020, 14:45:24
yup im interested for sure!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Stev!e on Wed, 19 August 2020, 15:23:13
I find it unique and different. I really like it!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: rikercd on Wed, 19 August 2020, 15:43:57
Dope keyboard, I'll buy one.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Janoma on Thu, 10 September 2020, 10:54:43
Beautiful design, DEM CURVES. A blue/e-white version would be a must-buy.

EDIT: I might have concerns about the stability, mainly front to back wobble.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 10 September 2020, 11:03:17
Needs more Semaphores, but conceptually this keeb is a solid idea.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: zoo on Thu, 10 September 2020, 14:15:43
The back plate doubling as the weight and aesthetic feature in the back is pretty clever, looks interesting. Is there going to be a USB-C option?
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [prototype ordered, feedback wanted]
Post by: Lil on Thu, 17 September 2020, 07:57:59
Thanks everyone for the interest, the aluminium parts for the prototype have finished being CNCed by the factory:

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I have also ordered a brass base. I hope to receive and build the prototype sometime in October, at which point I will test the optimal number of screws and make amendments as required. You can see the current iteration of the bottom of the keyboard pictured above. Unfortunately the Titanium base was around 8-10x more expensive than the aluminium version so I have decided not to include this as an option.

My intention with the design was to blend sharp lines and curves to create the overall shape, similar to that of a blade. The overall outside fillet is currently 0.25mm for this reason.
I wanted your feedback on potentially changing the fillet on the front bezel and where the back curve meets the bottom to 3mm. It would then look more like this:

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The keyboard itself was designed around the H88, and so it currently intended to be USB Mini. I do prefer USB-C so if it is possible to use a daughterboard, that isn't out of the cards. But unless stated otherwise you can expect it to remain USB Mini.
My original intention was to keep the colour options to a minimum of 2 to 3 configurations. One with a brass bottom, and the other[/s] being all aluminium construction. Because I couldn't decide which blue I wanted in time, the aluminium base of the prototype will be anodised red. If you have any colour suggestions please let me know

Renders avail soon

Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Anthixious on Thu, 17 September 2020, 08:42:50
Hold up, if this thing has a whole brass bottom, that means a whole one piece of this thing is brass right? Because the bottom piece IS the plate, forcing it to be the weight also correct? This is freaking amazing! Also I got lost on the term 'fillet', would you mind educating us?  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Lil on Thu, 17 September 2020, 09:07:01
Hold up, if this thing has a whole brass bottom, that means a whole one piece of this thing is brass right? Because the bottom piece IS the plate, forcing it to be the weight also correct? This is freaking amazing! Also I got lost on the term 'fillet', would you mind educating us?  :thumb:

There isn't an integrated plate, it will mount in the same way as the Jane V2 CE, and the H88 shares the same mounting points. You can see a demonstration in Velvet's build video of that keyboard:


On the brass version the bottom case will be entirely brass weighing ~3.5kg, the top case will still be aluminium

The fillet is the degree of rounding of the edges on the board - so currently the appearance is quite sharp but I am considering rounding the edges of the front bezel and bottom of the board, you can see the differences in the post above
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Anthixious on Thu, 17 September 2020, 09:27:34
Quote
There isn't an integrated plate, it will mount in the same way as the Jane V2 CE, and the hH88 shares the same mounting points.

On the brass version the bottom case will be entirely brass weighing ~3.5kg, the top case will still be aluminium

I have no idea why I thought the plate was integrated, probably because the render colors of the weight and plate were the same giving that illusion, whoopsthies. That whole bottom in brass though, this is going to be stunning.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 17 September 2020, 11:20:35
Interested to know what it feels like to type on. I'm assuming you placed the bottom gasket supports in an asymmetrical position for a reason (feels? accoustics?) 

Let us know how this baby types!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL
Post by: Lil on Thu, 17 September 2020, 12:45:37
Interested to know what it feels like to type on. I'm assuming you placed the bottom gasket supports in an asymmetrical position for a reason (feels? accoustics?) 


The H88 pcb has cut outs to fit the mounting points of the Jace v2, to allow the o-ring which is between the plate and the pcb to rest on the mounting points in the bottom case. Because I am using the H88, the mounting points on the bottom case for my keyboard will be in the same place for this reason.

If I was using a custom PCB I would've had a choice as to where to put the mounting points, but I think using a standard pcb is a worthwhile trade off; enabling users to be able to easily replace their pcb or get spares in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted]
Post by: Lil on Wed, 30 September 2020, 13:32:42
The prototype has arrived and I have posted some photos in the OP and the second post.

Please fill out the IC form if you're interested and help me decide on colours: IC FORM HERE (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfM1ZbRhqRwQnO34pEYD0VkFi-YHW_wVomEtcus-wu7KUsS4Q/viewform)

Once H88s get shipped out this month I will build it and post more pictures along with a typing test.

Renders are on the way by Pikku-allu


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Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted]
Post by: Kookiekurls on Wed, 30 September 2020, 13:51:59
I love the shape of the keyboard, it looks nice and refined, and I'm always a sucker for an all brass bottom! I just feel like... it needs something on the bottom. A logo or something, not just completely blank. That would be my only criticism! Best of luck with this one, I hope it sounds amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: gilbert on Wed, 30 September 2020, 14:27:08
This looks pretty wild
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 30 September 2020, 14:30:46
this looks sick.  Lilac option would be awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted]
Post by: Lil on Wed, 30 September 2020, 18:33:12
I love the shape of the keyboard, it looks nice and refined, and I'm always a sucker for an all brass bottom! I just feel like... it needs something on the bottom. A logo or something, not just completely blank. That would be my only criticism! Best of luck with this one, I hope it sounds amazing!

I think you're right, I will come up with something to be engraved on the bottom. I originally intended to do a wave pattern for a blue bottom version but I don't know how practical it would be on reflection.

This looks pretty wild

this looks sick.  Lilac option would be awesome!

Thanks guys! Looks like Lilac is the most popular option so far on the form. If there was a Lilac top option on the Alu version, what colour would you want on the case bottom to match it?
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted]
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 30 September 2020, 18:42:07

Thanks guys! Looks like Lilac is the most popular option so far on the form. If there was a Lilac top option on the Alu version, what colour would you want on the case bottom to match it?


silver or white IMO!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: beigeandbrown on Thu, 01 October 2020, 11:54:48
Any plans for a half plate?
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: Lil on Thu, 01 October 2020, 15:50:28
Any plans for a half plate?

I didn't have any plans to include a half plate option, but I will add it to the IC form along with an ISO plate option. So if there is enough interest I will consider it
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: ramnes on Mon, 26 October 2020, 16:00:26
Looking good! Do you think the front edge could be lowered?
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: soloplayer on Mon, 26 October 2020, 19:46:57
dope design, count me in  ;D
is there an option for brass plate update? or plate file available after GB?
and pls be FCFS  :D ty
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: Lil on Tue, 27 October 2020, 07:56:19
Looking good! Do you think the front edge could be lowered?
H88 PCBs should be shipped by mykeyboard in early November as they were being remade, so I will be building it around then. Based on my impressions I may want to make revisions to the design at that point. Lowering the front height is something I am currently considering and I will update you on my thoughts at that point

dope design, count me in  ;D
is there an option for brass plate update? or plate file available after GB?
and pls be FCFS  :D ty
Thanks! I currently plan for there to be a brass plate and alu plate option, I haven't decided if the brass plate would be an add on yet though. I can also make the plate file available after the GB.
My preference is also for FCFS but I will have to discuss it with the vendors I am working with
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: soloplayer on Tue, 27 October 2020, 10:10:53
Looking good! Do you think the front edge could be lowered?
H88 PCBs should be shipped by mykeyboard in early November as they were being remade, so I will be building it around then. Based on my impressions I may want to make revisions to the design at that point. Lowering the front height is something I am currently considering and I will update you on my thoughts at that point

why dont you contact hiney and ask him to make a h88-c?  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: Baionlenja on Tue, 27 October 2020, 14:52:38
that mini usb cutout is brilliant
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: yuutsu on Tue, 27 October 2020, 17:28:46
This is incredibly beautiful, I can't wait for this one!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: kimchijody on Sat, 07 November 2020, 05:07:44
What the actual **** this hurts my brain I have so many questions. Mainly how the hell can I get one? Good stuff. Very interesting design.

I will say that I personally have no preference for mini or usb-c. However I think it should be worth considering that Hiney will likely run an h88c gb and many upcoming boards will offer support for h88c as well. Would love if the cutout could be compatible with both, as sourcing pcbs will become much easier for those who want to purchase more pcbs with various plate options down the line. GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: filuwow on Sat, 07 November 2020, 09:07:56
Filled the IC form, any chance to change mini usb to type-C.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: cannon-cat on Sat, 07 November 2020, 18:35:41
I like it! +1 for Type-C
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 07 November 2020, 19:18:31
I would like to see a Tsangan/WK option since the PCB supports it.
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: Icemanrec on Sun, 22 November 2020, 01:00:35
oh nice, this might be my chance to buy a TKL Alps board
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: FaIIen on Sun, 22 November 2020, 01:01:45
any estimated date for anything?
Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: Lil on Sun, 22 November 2020, 07:52:50
any estimated date for anything?
February.

That being said, I am still waiting on a pcb to build+test the r1 proto, and the r2 proto will probably take 30 days to manu. So this has thrown a bit of a wrench into my plans, as I originally expected to be able to test everything in October, allowing me to make revisions before the gb date.

I ordered an in-stock H88 from Monokei on the 18th, so I am hoping something will arrive soon.

Title: Re: [IC] Ex Arkhe - F13 o-ring TKL [Prototype photographs, IC form posted/Sept 30th]
Post by: Digmo on Sun, 22 November 2020, 14:56:26
some interesting curves, id like to see iso support