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Title: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Pricing and Final Kits
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:53:10
GMK Shanshui 山水

The long path home.

Coming New Years Day 2021 from vendors everywhere.

(https://i.imgur.com/5gWhwcJ.jpg)
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(https://imgur.com/vGRixum.jpg)

Note: new renders featuring retooled legends coming soon.

Jagged peaks rise like the teeth of some long-fallen colossus from the horizon, worn to harmlessness by water, foliage, and time. A placid thread of water weaves among them. For ages, the water has borne rafts carrying silent, wizened men and their gently chattering companions: great, fearsome waterfowl perched on long bamboo canes. They are ancient cormorants, eyes smoldering like lanterns. Part duck, part eagle, part feathered hunting dog, they slip beneath the currents with hush and speed and return with throats full of wriggling fish, dutifully disgorging their catch for a treat and a gentle stroke.

In few places does man live in such harmony with nature; in few places is man so noble an animal. For those who have been to the Li River (Lijiang in Chinese), it’s unforgettable. For those who have not, they have surely seen the ghosts of the mountains and water conjured from memory and ink. Perhaps no other subject is depicted so often in shanshuihua, the Chinese style of ink painting perfectly suited to capture the layered depth of the South China Karst and the reflections off the tranquil waters of the Lijiang. Literally “mountain-water-painting” in the Chinese, these words are immortalized in the local slogan of this stretch of the Lijiang between Guilin and Yangshuo: 山水甲天下, “the best landscapes under heaven.”


About the set

GMK Shanshui is a white-on-black Cherry profile keycap set designed to capture both the enduring shanshui images of the Lijiang and the essence of the uniquely Chinese artform of shanshuihua, practiced by artists in China and around the world. Designed by Grundlemere of Fort Stevens Mercantile, conceived and rendered by NathanAlphaMan of Alpha Design.

Base keys are molded in GMK stock CR black, with legends rendered in crisp stock WS1, matching existing WoB sets and kits, and compatible with other monochrome Cherry profile keys. The base kit offers sublegends in Cangjie, while modifiers are rendered in both Simplified and Traditional Chinese + icons—the first GMK legends in true Chinese characters.

Complete the Interest Check form to make this set a reality (https://forms.gle/awesbh5sqiQ7GBwU6)

See a full gallery of board and scene renders (https://imgur.com/a/UQaYh3Q)

Follow me on IG @grundlemere for photos and project updates, and feel free to reach out on Discord at grundlemere#1126 with questions or to say hello. New: join my Discord server for updates (https://discord.gg/D8YtXuu)!


Updates



Vendors

Available from these vendors for group buy January 1, 2021.

US: Cannonkeys
China: Zfrontier
SE Asia: iLumkb
Europe: CandyKeys
Australia: Daily Clack
Canada: Deskhero.ca
UK (non-EU): Prototypist.net


Kits

Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit

(https://i.imgur.com/UahE1kT.png)
The Simplified Chinese base kit offers sublegends in the Cangjie Chinese typing system, while modifiers are rendered in Simplified Chinese + icons—the first GMK legends in true Chinese characters. Designed to cover a wide range of layouts. Included numpad is rendered in Chinese financial numerals as monolegends. Alphas include basic special Chinese punctuation sublegends.

Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit

(https://i.imgur.com/nQqc27I.png)
The Traditional Chinese base kit offers sublegends in the Cangjie Chinese typing system, while modifiers are rendered in Traditional Chinese + icons—the first GMK legends in true Chinese characters. Designed to cover a wide range of layouts. Included numpad is rendered in Chinese financial numerals as monolegends. Alphas include basic special Chinese punctuation sublegends.

Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit

(https://i.imgur.com/yXsshD6.png)
A complete alphanumeric kit with Cangjie Chinese character monolegends, and duplicate modifiers and spacebars to assist base kit buyers in covering a second board if desired. Includes both Simplified and Traditional Chinese character alpha supplements and east/south/west/north Chinese character arrow keys. Recommended for compatibility with GMK WoB, Minimal, and other monochrome sets.

Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit

(https://i.imgur.com/aZZcCn6.png)
Novelties feature images, real and imagined, of the Li River between Guilin and Yangshuo, China, in Guangxi Province amid the world-famous South China Karst geologic formations. Novelty icons include:

Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit

(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)
Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.


Pricing

Cannon.keys (prices in USD)
Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit (154pcs)     134.99
Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit (154pcs)     134.99
Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit (66pcs)     79.99
Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit (23pcs)     44.99
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit (13pcs)     27.99
   
Zfrontier (prices in RMB)
Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit (154pcs)     968.00
Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit (154pcs)     968.00
Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit (66pcs)     544.00
Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit (23pcs)     302.00
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit (13pcs)     184.00
   
iLumkb (prices in SGD)
Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit (154pcs)     180.00
Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit (154pcs)     180.00
Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit (66pcs)     106.50
Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit (23pcs)     60.00
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit (13pcs)     37.50
   
CandyKeys (prices in EUR)
Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit (154pcs)     129.99
Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit (154pcs)     129.99
Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit (66pcs)     75.00
Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit (23pcs)     42.00
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit (13pcs)     28.00
   
Prototypist.net (prices in GBP)
Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit (154pcs)     119.00
Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit (154pcs)     119.00
Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit (66pcs)     69.00
Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit (23pcs)     39.00
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit (13pcs)     25.00
   
Deskhero.ca (prices in CAD)
Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit (154pcs)    177.00
Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit (154pcs)    177.00
Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit (66pcs)    105.00
Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit (23pcs)    59.00
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit (13pcs)    37.00
   
Daily Clack (prices in AUD)
Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit (154pcs)     178.00
Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit (154pcs)     178.00
Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit (66pcs)     105.00
Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit (23pcs)     59.00
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit (13pcs)     37.00



Retooled Legends

After submitting the original renders and legends to GMK, we were expecting some notes on necessary adjustments to meet their mold tooling specs, but were told, basically, try again. I've spent the last couple of weeks completely overhauling the legends to meet the specs: adding cutaways to minute interior spaces, broadening strokes, narrowing and straightening negative space, rounding corners, and in a few cases, simplifying elements altogether.

This represents my best efforts to adhere to the integrity of the written Chinese language and to create a consistent typography that will serve not only this set but all sets that will use these legends to come. These legends are essentially as detailed as GMK's machining will allow while maintaining consistent character size with conventional mod and alpha legend sizing. I hope you are as pleased with how they've turned out as I am, and most of all, I'm looking forward to seeing them in the next round of NathanAlphaMan's kit renders, which we're hoping will be done over the US Thanksgiving break. Special thanks to A.Jakkkke for his final review of the character forms and his extremely helpful suggestions.

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Here's a link to download a full-size image and see all the detail (https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)


Keyboard renders

(https://i.imgur.com/1cbWXn2.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/w0OkzkN.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/URSd67C.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2dWAIaq.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vGRixum.jpeg)

See a full gallery of keyboard renders (https://imgur.com/gallery/UQaYh3Q)


Collaborations

(https://i.imgur.com/b4s8nzV.jpg)

Digital Carpentry for custom branded rare wood wrist rests
Luxe Cables for a set-matched aviator cable
RAMA WORKS for metal artisan keycaps
Salvun for artisan keycaps in bronze
Latrialum for collab artisan keycaps in resin
DE∆Gcaps for a collab artisan keycap in resin
Sodie Caps for collab artisan keycaps in resin
Destroyer Caps for collab artisan keycaps in resin
Bludgeoned Kaps for collab artisan keycaps in resin
Rascal Caps for collab artisan keycaps in resin
Frumpzkeys for collab artisan keycaps in resin
Fraktal Kaps for collab artisan keycaps in resin
Rejeck Kaps for collab artisan keycaps in resin
Froue Loop for a collab multimedia artisan keycap

If you’re a maker or artisan, I’d love to work with you to develop an exclusive collaboration for GMK Shanshui or a future set. Please get in touch!


RAMA WORKS artisan keycaps

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All three GMK Shanshui x RAMA artisans

(https://i.imgur.com/WGTQZCM.jpeg)
The Shan cap, in anodized black aluminum and white enamel fill, with the character 山 (“mountain”) in ancient Liushutong script

(https://i.imgur.com/OGKJqWd.jpeg)
The Shui cap, in e-white aluminum and black enamel fill, with the character 水 (“water”) in Liushutong script

(https://i.imgur.com/1AMPvoX.jpeg)
The Chop cap, rendered in deep red enamel on black PVD brass, displaying my adopted Chinese surname 魏 in a yin seal script imprint with a slight off-axis tilt.


Deskmats

(https://i.imgur.com/WUfb2J5.jpg)
Rafts 钓鱼筏 deskmat: An ink painting of traditional fishing rafts afloat on the Li River beneath the leaning phoenix tail bamboo, emblazoned with the Shanshui logo chop at bottom left. Based on artwork by Baoyan.

(https://i.imgur.com/OSiomty.jpg)
Karst 岩溶 deskmat: an ink painting of the South China Karst seen through the mist with the inscription, "best scenery under heaven" (山水甲天下), an unofficial local slogan of the Li River area. No seal for users who prefer a completely monochrome look. Based on artwork by Elina Li.


Relationship to GMK Houhai

GMK Shanshui is the predecessor set to GMK Houhai, enabling the molds for Houhai, a far more complicated and prohibitively expensive set, to be produced using stock colors at an attractive price point. In the wise words of one vendor with far better business sense than most designers, “you can have 80+ new molds, or you can have seven custom RAL colors, but you can’t have both.” Hence, the long path home.

If you are a Houhai supporter, the best way you can help make that set possible is to support this set, and to let our existing vendors know that you want GMK Houhai to follow shortly on the heels of GMK Shanshui.


Sharing the Cangjie legends

Designers interested in using the Chinese-language legends we’ve created are welcome and encouraged to reach out for design files to use in their renders, free of charge.

This is likely my last set design to use Chinese character legends—I don’t want to get typecast as the Chinese keycap guy! But I hope that other designers will take up the mantle and use these legends to produce beautiful work, as others have with Hiragana and Hangul legend designs.


Acknowledgements

This design goes to the great people of China, the Chinese-speaking world, and the Chinese diaspora, who contribute so much to our community through their creativity, passion, knowledge, and work. You changed my life and I’ll never be the same. Also,

NathanAlphaMan for the incredible collaborative partnership, the initial idea to do Houhai as a WoB set, the gorgeous renders, and the critical feedback
Michael at Digital Carpentry, for being my first partner, my biggest sounding board, and my unrelenting critic
Exclusive, for the cultural translation help and his friendship
Alex, for the kernel of the idea of what Shanshui would become
Upas, for taking a chance on this set, and his important advice
Louis, for his kindness, his passion for my work, and his partnership
Jae, for his honesty and sense, and for the use of his beautiful J-01 and J-02 models
LBaron and the S+R team, for making their gorgeous Iron165 and Iron180 models available
A.Jakkkke for helping me make this set as good as it can be.


Thanks for reading this far and thank you for your feedback.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:53:39
Reserved
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: yoot on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:53:57
I've been waiting for this. Hype!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: ttom on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:55:38
Lovely. Looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:56:15
I've been waiting for this. Hype!

You really were quick on the trigger. Thanks for your support!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: NathanAlphaMan on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:56:50
Damn, there goes my chance to say first.

Loved working on this with you man <3
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: SpinningHook on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:57:08
Digging the base and the novelties.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:58:16
Damn, there goes my chance to say first.

Loved working on this with you man <3

I know you would have done a combo breaker on my reserved reply! Loved working with you. Thanks for the wonderful idea!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: 7empest on Sat, 12 September 2020, 13:07:49
uWu I am liking this one!

Another wallet drainer for me
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: frostfiree on Sat, 12 September 2020, 13:08:06
Finally a set with chinese sublegends of some kind. I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: phylogenyhkg on Sat, 12 September 2020, 13:08:57
Traditional Chinese should be the base.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: Suavity on Sat, 12 September 2020, 13:24:51
Traditional Chinese should be the base.

I second this. Great set though!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 12 September 2020, 13:32:07
Traditional Chinese should be the base.

I second this. Great set though!

Please tell us in the interest check form! We are polling worldwide on the demand for SC vs. TC, and we need your data to make any kitting changes.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: dak148 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 13:33:24
Lovely set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: Hesi on Sat, 12 September 2020, 13:41:41
Traditional Chinese should be the base.

I second this. Great set though!

I'm interested (in-laws from Guilin) but also ^

Will be clicking on the IC form!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: Bitmxp on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:07:40
While this has no practical use in typing Chinese...

It's gorgeous, and I need it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: mustardgreens on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:26:24
Love! Thank you for doing this.

Sent from my LG-M703 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: SxM Designs on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:32:32
Looks so nice and quite refreshing because of the new sublegends.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:54:02
While this has no practical use in typing Chinese...

It's gorgeous, and I need it!

That’s mostly the goal! But, you can use this to type in pinyin or Cangjie.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: Pachriksu on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:37:16
Traditional Chinese should be the base.

I second this. Great set though!

I'm interested (in-laws from Guilin) but also ^

Will be clicking on the IC form!

I fourth this! WoB is a great colorway for minimal legends.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: psxndc on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:41:20
Given how many Japanese kanji are derived from Chinese characters, this totally does it for me. I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: KurageOuji on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:59:52
im so glad this finally has an IC, ive been hyped for this ever since i saw this in houhai, (still hyped for that too). really nice looking set, i'll definitely pick up every kit
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: baobaozi on Sat, 12 September 2020, 16:39:45
Gotta have both this and Houhai!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: kw88 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 16:55:33
very nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: kidviddy on Sat, 12 September 2020, 16:59:49
Yesssssss, it's here at last!  Looks great, very excited.  I've filled in the form; my main request is either to break the numpad out into a separate kit or include the full numpad in the traditional mods kit.  I'd like to be able to build a fully monolegend kit, with monolegend cangjie and monolegend financial numerals on the numpad, using traditional Chinese characters, and it's a shame to have to buy the full base kit with its simplified Chinese mods and sublegend alphas just to get at the seven or so number keys I'd be missing.

EDIT: Is there a reason why there are so many 火 keys in the cangjie monolegend kit?  I count four...
EDIT EDIT: Oh, I see!  I didn't realise the simplified form of 火 is different from traditional.  For anyone else puzzled, the angle of the two little dashes either side of the 人 is different (and 火 is located where the F key goes so you need homing and non-homing for each of simplified and traditional variants, so four in total).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: NathanAlphaMan on Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:11:12
EDIT: Is there a reason why there are so many 火 keys in the cangjie monolegend kit?  I count four...


I can answer this!

火 goes where F would go on a Latin layout, so you already have two versions of the key: one scooped and one barred.

Then there's a slight stroke difference between the SC and TC versions of 火, hence the need for two more keys, one scooped traditional and one barred traditional.

EDIT: I see you figured it out before I finished typing this comment  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: emerge on Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:18:16
Amazing set, filled the form too. Looking forward to this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:18:33
Yesssssss, it's here at last!  Looks great, very excited.  I've filled in the form; my main request is either to break the numpad out into a separate kit or include the full numpad in the traditional mods kit.  I'd like to be able to build a fully monolegend kit, with monolegend cangjie and monolegend financial numerals on the numpad, using traditional Chinese characters, and it's a shame to have to buy the full base kit with its simplified Chinese mods and sublegend alphas just to get at the seven or so number keys I'd be missing.

EDIT: Is there a reason why there are so many 火 keys in the cangjie monolegend kit?  I count four...

Thanks! And we will be thinking on a way to satisfy your kitting needs. It might be tough considering that only some users will want full mono, but we'll see what we can do.

By way of explanation on the 火 character, and why there are a few stray numpad keys in the trad mods kit: There are a few characters used in the legends that are aaaaalmost the same in Traditional as they are in Simplified...but they're not the same. 火 is a good example. If you look closely, the left "flame" stroke is oriented differently depending on the character style: northeast to southwest in the Simplified; northwest to southeast in the Traditional. It's a small but important difference. All of the supplemental Traditional keys to the right are the same: an additional jag before a downward stroke, a missing flick at the end, or an angled stroke instead of a flat one. There are four 火 keys because 火 happens to be a homing key. There are two Traditional and two Simplified: one each barred and scooped as preference dictates.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:19:46
Looks like we all rushed in like a bunch of nerds to answer this critical question.  ;D

We both put a lot of care into these legends, as you can see!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: kidviddy on Sat, 12 September 2020, 18:00:29
Looks like we all rushed in like a bunch of nerds to answer this critical question.  ;D

We both put a lot of care into these legends, as you can see!

Haha, thanks for your answers!  After I noticed the difference in the 火 character I started looking at the others and realised just how much effort you guys put in!  I knew about some of the obvious differences between traditional and simplified characters, like the line vs dashes at the bottom of 級 (which is different again in Japanese!), but details like the fact that the downward stroke in 女 extends above the horizontal line in traditional and only meeting it in simplified... wow. I can see why this took a while to pull together -- you guys definitely took the time to dot the 'i's and cross the 't's (as it were)! Excellent work.

EDIT: Grammar
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: totalemon on Sat, 12 September 2020, 18:43:26
This is so gorgeous. Can't wait for the GB next year! :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: phat schlong on Sat, 12 September 2020, 20:15:49
Definitely in. This is so nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: FootFingers on Sat, 12 September 2020, 20:21:40
Really is looking good, will keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: atlanticise on Sun, 13 September 2020, 03:35:43
great, now i have to prep my wallet for BOTH shanshui and houhai. collect them all, amirite.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Sun, 13 September 2020, 05:04:28
in,
GLWGB on 2021!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: santela on Sun, 13 September 2020, 11:20:11
Nice, definitely in! Been waiting for this since Houhai.
I would like to suggest some white keycaps for esc and enter, since there is white spacebar, I think having some accent colors that pop would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sun, 13 September 2020, 14:22:01
Nice, definitely in! Been waiting for this since Houhai.
I would like to suggest some white keycaps for esc and enter, since there is white spacebar, I think having some accent colors that pop would be nice.

We'll think on how to do it! The name of the game at the moment is to try to get the cost of the kits down, but perhaps we can see what a quote on adding more caps would be.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 13 September 2020, 17:03:05
Great set.  I applaud how much time you spent to perfectly represent both traditional and simplified Chinese characters.

One niggling comment about the OP: could you revise the large-font "Coming in winter 2021" at the top?  This technically could be Q1 or Q4.  I found "Available from these vendors for group buy in Q1 2021, aiming for February" lower down, but was initially confused.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Sun, 13 September 2020, 17:48:34
Great set.  I applaud how much time you spent to perfectly represent both traditional and simplified Chinese characters.

One niggling comment about the OP: could you revise the large-font "Coming in winter 2021" at the top?  This technically could be Q1 or Q4.  I found "Available from these vendors for group buy in Q1 2021, aiming for February" lower down, but was initially confused.

A compromise: "early 2021." Glad you like the set, and look forward to getting it to market to you!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: SnowyMinion on Sun, 13 September 2020, 20:16:16
I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: DJSwayde on Sun, 13 September 2020, 20:43:42
ngl this is dope.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: MIXO Cables on Sun, 13 September 2020, 22:03:38
I am definitely interested... but would be better with accent colours
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 14 September 2020, 07:47:57
Good news this morning: RAMA WORKS is on board for artisan keycaps! Perhaps that will help some folks add some accent color to their boards. Looking forward to seeing what they can do.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 14 September 2020, 15:36:15
More updates:

We are all set for a New Years Day launch. GMK Shanshui will be available for group buy January 1, 2021 from vendors around the world.

We have also added Latrialum as a partner for collab keycaps. Her style is one of our absolute favorites and should express beautifully alongside GMK Shanshui.

More updates always on the way...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: ZongZiWang on Mon, 14 September 2020, 16:20:15
老铁 666 Nice to see Chinese keycaps set as an option!

Having white accent keys like GMK WoB would definitely my recommendation, so it won't look like those cheap OEM keyboards with Chinese print on them.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: Disintro on Mon, 14 September 2020, 16:55:58
Love this keyset! More money out of the wallet for me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: PotatoTM on Mon, 14 September 2020, 19:31:09
Always a fan of different alphas, hope this isn't too expensive given the amount of new moulds, looking forward to it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水
Post by: santela on Tue, 15 September 2020, 21:46:51
Great set.  I applaud how much time you spent to perfectly represent both traditional and simplified Chinese characters.

One niggling comment about the OP: could you revise the large-font "Coming in winter 2021" at the top?  This technically could be Q1 or Q4.  I found "Available from these vendors for group buy in Q1 2021, aiming for February" lower down, but was initially confused.

Awesome!

Looking forward to the artisans as well!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: alezsun on Wed, 16 September 2020, 11:44:14
Looks great! Love the traditional Chinese characters instead of simplified. I’m in.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: whirlwind on Wed, 16 September 2020, 12:32:50
Great set, definitely interested
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: perry4761 on Wed, 16 September 2020, 12:37:23
Another banger collaboration by Nathan. I didn’t think I would be joining any GMK set until Polybius, yet here we are! Amazing set, props to both of you for this. I will definitely be in on this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: Ulliam on Wed, 16 September 2020, 16:28:48
Finally <3 This set couldnt be more perfect.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: violeaf on Wed, 16 September 2020, 17:29:57
The set itself looks great, I'd join the GB just for the Chinese legends.

However when making the connection to Chinese watercolour art, it feels slightly forced to me I'm afraid. The art is characterised by the gradient of colours and impressionism (especially landscape), solid dark doesn't say that for me.

I'd say it could be more associated with Chinese calligraphy if anything
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: grundlemere on Thu, 17 September 2020, 13:29:56
Couple of minor updates:


That's it love Grundle
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: grundlemere on Thu, 17 September 2020, 13:30:54
Finally <3 This set couldnt be more perfect.

That means a lot coming from you, brother. Blacklight is NUTS! I love the deskmats Sour did too.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: SMOKEY on Fri, 18 September 2020, 17:27:55
Hey bro.
You already know I love these awesome pieces of plastic.
Post the Mats here, they are literally perfect.
Cheers
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 19 September 2020, 07:14:16
Hey bro.
You already know I love these awesome pieces of plastic.
Post the Mats here, they are literally perfect.
Cheers

I wanna! But I want to finish board renders with the mats first. Hey, how about Ramas? Y’all wanna see those?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - GB Date set, New Collabs
Post by: leexy on Sat, 19 September 2020, 09:54:09
very nice. i'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - RAMA Artisans Posted!
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 19 September 2020, 14:56:51
Just got the RAMAs in, everyone. Took a little while to do a simple scene render on parchment and brand them and here they are. Go check the start of the thread for details on all three caps.

(https://i.imgur.com/2uPokLh.jpeg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - RAMA Artisans Posted!
Post by: Hesi on Sat, 19 September 2020, 16:52:40
If/When this is up I'm at minimum in for 2/3 Ramas (山, 水) and novelties. looking good!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - RAMA Artisans Posted!
Post by: seulji on Sun, 20 September 2020, 18:15:00
Soooo good. Those monolegends are very clean.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - RAMA Artisans Posted!
Post by: santela on Mon, 21 September 2020, 09:12:18
Wow the chop artisan looks great, and perfect for a Chinese theme. I love the idea but I wish you would have adopted a different Chinese last name, such as mine: 曹 lol so I can have my own last name on an artisan. I can only imagine how cool that would be.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - RAMA Artisans Posted!
Post by: santela on Mon, 21 September 2020, 09:28:50
Something I have noticed is that the traditional mod still uses 《》, but if I'm not mistaken, I think traditional users (mostly Taiwan HK and Macau) do not use these signs? They are specifically for book or article titles, and in traditional Chinese I think they all use 『』instead. I don't know where these two go on a board (for Japanese they are the same keys as the bracket keys), and it is probably better to check with a traditional Chinese typist, but just thought that might be something to be considered in order to be more functional with the traditional set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - RAMA Artisans Posted!
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 21 September 2020, 19:53:31
Something I have noticed is that the traditional mod still uses 《》, but if I'm not mistaken, I think traditional users (mostly Taiwan HK and Macau) do not use these signs? They are specifically for book or article titles, and in traditional Chinese I think they all use 『』instead. I don't know where these two go on a board (for Japanese they are the same keys as the bracket keys), and it is probably better to check with a traditional Chinese typist, but just thought that might be something to be considered in order to be more functional with the traditional set.

Thanks for pointing that out, and someone in the IC form also told us so. It's only because I'm ignorant of Traditional Chinese punctuation as I learned in the mainland. It's fortunate because these legends are actually set on different keys, so we will plan to update the legends to include them appropriately, among other kit changes we plan to make after collecting feedback. You're the first person to bring it up on the forum, though, so here's a note to anyone wondering! Yes, we will add 「 」TC quotation marks to the [] keys.

And as far as a RAMA for your surname...if you can get MOQ together for a RAMA order, go for it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - RAMA Artisans Posted!
Post by: santela on Mon, 21 September 2020, 21:49:28
Something I have noticed is that the traditional mod still uses 《》, but if I'm not mistaken, I think traditional users (mostly Taiwan HK and Macau) do not use these signs? They are specifically for book or article titles, and in traditional Chinese I think they all use 『』instead. I don't know where these two go on a board (for Japanese they are the same keys as the bracket keys), and it is probably better to check with a traditional Chinese typist, but just thought that might be something to be considered in order to be more functional with the traditional set.

Thanks for pointing that out, and someone in the IC form also told us so. It's only because I'm ignorant of Traditional Chinese punctuation as I learned in the mainland. It's fortunate because these legends are actually set on different keys, so we will plan to update the legends to include them appropriately, among other kit changes we plan to make after collecting feedback. You're the first person to bring it up on the forum, though, so here's a note to anyone wondering! Yes, we will add 「 」TC quotation marks to the [] keys.

And as far as a RAMA for your surname...if you can get MOQ together for a RAMA order, go for it!

Haha, that probably means I'll have to buy all the MOQ myself  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - RAMA Artisans Posted!
Post by: phat schlong on Tue, 22 September 2020, 21:35:08
Love the Rama cap designs
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 25 September 2020, 11:42:38
Thanks for the thoughs on the RAMA caps, everyone. Looking forward to getting those in hand.

Up today we're sharing the deskmats. Nathanalphaman is hard at work getting the mat under some board renders so you can envision your Shanshui setup, but for now, here are the deskmat renders.

(https://i.imgur.com/WUfb2J5.jpg)
Rafts 钓鱼筏 deskmat: An ink painting of traditional fishing rafts afloat on the Li River beneath the leaning phoenix tail bamboo, emblazoned with the Shanshui logo chop at bottom left. Based on artwork by Baoyan.

(https://i.imgur.com/OSiomty.jpg)
Karst 岩溶 deskmat: an ink painting of the South China Karst seen through the mist with the inscription, "best scenery under heaven" (山水甲天下), an unofficial local slogan of the Li River area. No seal for users who prefer a completely monochrome look. Based on artwork by Elina Li.


Also, we met this week to talk through your feedback from the IC form and make some changes to kits. I will walk you through those once they're finalized and re-rendered.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 25 September 2020, 11:45:59
One last thing: There's news on GMK Houhai.

Look to that thread later today.  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: elisyan on Fri, 25 September 2020, 12:23:23
I didn't even know I needed more deskmats..
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 25 September 2020, 12:35:11
I didn't even know I needed more deskmats..

Are there ever really enough?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: anhthao88 on Fri, 25 September 2020, 18:08:12
The deskmat renders look dope! Will the deskmat be available for purchase separately from the keyset?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 25 September 2020, 19:03:36
Just realized: no 40s/ortho kit? I get it may be tough to make MOQ, just wondering if that's the reason.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 25 September 2020, 21:27:55
The deskmat renders look dope! Will the deskmat be available for purchase separately from the keyset?

Absolutely, as always!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: anhthao88 on Fri, 25 September 2020, 21:30:22
The deskmat renders look dope! Will the deskmat be available for purchase separately from the keyset?

Absolutely, as always!
That's great. I'll def join for the novelties kit & the mat.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 25 September 2020, 21:32:04
Just realized: no 40s/ortho kit? I get it may be tough to make MOQ, just wondering if that's the reason.

Lot of 40s compatibility in the base, and ortho with a little creativity and willingness to use wrong legends. Given that this set had to focus on availability of both Traditional and Simplified Chinese legends, we opted not to doubly replicate kits for uncommon layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: slyr586 on Fri, 25 September 2020, 21:43:21
Okay, I NEEED one of these mats. Yes please.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: tofulo on Sat, 26 September 2020, 00:22:34
deskmat pls
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: chris_1865 on Sat, 26 September 2020, 01:26:52
Finally a GMK changje input keycap...Hope the base kit include TC instead of SC

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Edit for second inpression(?) of the TC kit

It's a little weird to see SC words straightly convert to TC imo since TC's translation words may be different from SC (e.g. Print Screen is better translate into 截圖/擷圖). It would be better to let TC & SC have its own translated words. AFAIK the translation of ins/del/PgUP/Pgdown/Home/End is both correct in TC or SC, and menu may be better translate into 功能 in TC

btw the 「柳」 problem in numpad happened again lol. 6 should be 「陸」.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 26 September 2020, 09:20:04

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WUfb2J5.jpg)

Rafts 钓鱼筏 deskmat: An ink painting of traditional fishing rafts afloat on the Li River beneath the leaning phoenix tail bamboo, emblazoned with the Shanshui logo chop at bottom left. Based on artwork by Baoyan.


Set or no set, I am totally getting this deskmat.


Also, take a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiild guess as to which one keycap bothers me. ;-)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: dak148 on Sat, 26 September 2020, 10:02:18
I have one deskmat and never thought about getting more but these are really nice...Going to have to get one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: IMZO on Sat, 26 September 2020, 11:58:04
Great set! Great Novelties and great deskmats!

Ticks all the box.. totally in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: chnhngxn on Sat, 26 September 2020, 18:21:39
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 26 September 2020, 21:55:56
Finally a GMK changje input keycap...Hope the base kit include TC instead of SC

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Edit for second inpression(?) of the TC kit

It's a little weird to see SC words straightly convert to TC imo since TC's translation words may be different from SC (e.g. Print Screen is better translate into 截圖/擷圖). It would be better to let TC & SC have its own translated words. AFAIK the translation of ins/del/PgUP/Pgdown/Home/End is both correct in TC or SC, and menu may be better translate into 功能 in TC

btw the 「柳」 problem in numpad happened again lol. 6 should be 「陸」.

Thanks friend, we’ll get these legends fixed. If you have any other translation fixes for TC, please share them with me at grundlemere#1126 on Discord and we will run them through a couple of our partners. Want to make sure they are right.

Ugh sorry about the numpad, not sure how that one slipped by us again but you’re the first person to notice it. I even know that character means “willow.” We’ll add both these points to the kit changes for next round.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 26 September 2020, 22:00:36
桂林人表示很赞


从我的 iPhone 发送,使用 Tapatalk

哪里,我表示桂林人很棒!多谢朋友!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: AvoidingYou on Mon, 05 October 2020, 16:35:50
I'm here from the Houhai thread, seeing that this will be first. I am not a huge fan of WoB sets, but I will consider supporting to help Houhai come to fruition  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: leavenember on Mon, 05 October 2020, 18:42:11
Really cool set! Nice homage, and really like the novelties. However, some of the novelties might need a little refinement(?)
The ISO enter, with the tree/branch almost looked like some sort of creature with horns waving....
I think the rendition/drawing of your idea could be better.
Overall will be following, also glad you cleared up new years day as Jan 1. not sometime in February ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: gbenz on Mon, 05 October 2020, 21:20:17
Really cool set! Nice homage, and really like the novelties. However, some of the novelties might need a little refinement(?)
The ISO enter, with the tree/branch almost looked like some sort of creature with horns waving....
I think the rendition/drawing of your idea could be better.
Overall will be following, also glad you cleared up new years day as Jan 1. not sometime in February ;D

I don't think that's a tree or a branch LOL. It's probably something like this: https://imgur.com/a/kYOU1Rc (https://imgur.com/a/kYOU1Rc)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 05 October 2020, 22:16:12
Can't say I love it , but I think it's pretty cool.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: gilbert on Tue, 06 October 2020, 08:28:53
Such a clean set
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Tue, 06 October 2020, 08:45:47
All in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: grundlemere on Wed, 07 October 2020, 13:00:50
One of the many changes we're making based on your IC feedback: BoW accent keys.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698705403827060766/763171009929936926/ShanShui.592.png)

Stay tuned for more.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: santela on Wed, 07 October 2020, 23:03:20
One of the many changes we're making based on your IC feedback: BoW accent keys.

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698705403827060766/763171009929936926/ShanShui.592.png)


Stay tuned for more.

Nice!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: leexy on Thu, 08 October 2020, 01:58:59
sweet
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: esclab on Fri, 09 October 2020, 01:31:58
One of the few, if not only, Chinese keycap set that does Chinese culture justice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:04:55
Everyone, thanks so much for your feedback on the IC form! We've made our final changes to the kits based on your feedback and have submitted our art and designs to GMK for a quote.

Here are a list of the changes that we made by kit:

TC mods kit:
Base kit:
Spacebars kit:
Novelties kit:
All kits:
Bonus:

Most of these changes are minor but important to ensure the legends are as correct as possible to Chinese convention in various territories. However, the additions to the Novelties kit to add BoW accent keys is much more apparent.

(https://i.imgur.com/aZZcCn6.png)

Please also see the new deskmat scene renders (https://imgur.com/gallery/1kDY5NG) created by Nathanalphaman.

Complex scene renders to come.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: BapoDonu on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:09:22
Really like the enter key
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:00:31
Out of curiosity, what's the -looking legend on the backslash keys for?

Edit: Oh (and I believe I've seen this asked before somewhere in the Houhai thread, but I can't remember the answer), what's the R2 1u Home (行首) key for?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: noodleman on Mon, 12 October 2020, 21:14:36
quick question, are the artists you took the artwork from involved in these deskmats?  Are they aware of the changes you've made to their art?

https://www.art.com/products/p48208011469-sa-i10827985/baoyan-chinese-landscape-watercolor-painting.htm?upi=Q1AMEO20&PODConfigID=4986602&sOrigID=965450

https://elinali.com/ink-1
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Audiobs on Mon, 12 October 2020, 21:32:22
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 12 October 2020, 21:56:28
quick question, are the artists you took the artwork from involved in these deskmats?  Are they aware of the changes you've made to their art?

https://www.art.com/products/p48208011469-sa-i10827985/baoyan-chinese-landscape-watercolor-painting.htm?upi=Q1AMEO20&PODConfigID=4986602&sOrigID=965450

https://elinali.com/ink-1

So that’s an interesting way to frame a question. I purchased the artwork from them, and I purchased it with an enhanced license that allows commercial reuse and merchandising.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 12 October 2020, 21:58:44
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.

To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: noodleman on Mon, 12 October 2020, 22:11:55
I'm sorry I sounded accusatory.  I re-read my post and it sounded pretty bad.  But you gave me the answer I wanted to know.  You're doing things right :thumb:

quick question, are the artists you took the artwork from involved in these deskmats?  Are they aware of the changes you've made to their art?

https://www.art.com/products/p48208011469-sa-i10827985/baoyan-chinese-landscape-watercolor-painting.htm?upi=Q1AMEO20&PODConfigID=4986602&sOrigID=965450

https://elinali.com/ink-1

So that’s an interesting way to frame a question. I purchased the artwork from them, and I purchased it with an enhanced license that allows commercial reuse and merchandising.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 12 October 2020, 22:18:42
I'm sorry I sounded accusatory.  I re-read my post and it sounded pretty bad.  But you gave me the answer I wanted to know.  You're doing things right :thumb:

quick question, are the artists you took the artwork from involved in these deskmats?  Are they aware of the changes you've made to their art?

https://www.art.com/products/p48208011469-sa-i10827985/baoyan-chinese-landscape-watercolor-painting.htm?upi=Q1AMEO20&PODConfigID=4986602&sOrigID=965450

https://elinali.com/ink-1

So that’s an interesting way to frame a question. I purchased the artwork from them, and I purchased it with an enhanced license that allows commercial reuse and merchandising.

I appreciate you walking that back a little. I do understand why it’s critical to ensure that artists are fairly compensated for their art. I would be furious if someone used my work without agreement.

Ideally, of course, I would have commissioned original work just for the deskmats, but these pieces are just as beautiful as any I could have commissioned, and the artists were fairly compensated, while still retaining rights to sell them again. Of course, I would love to have done it myself, but I’m not much of a Shanshui painter...  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: ZongZiWang on Tue, 13 October 2020, 00:07:11
Love the accent keys! But really wish it’s in the base kit or corresponding kit rather than in the novelties kit..
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 13 October 2020, 05:55:17
Those desk mats are sublime.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Tue, 13 October 2020, 07:38:23
Out of curiosity, what's the -looking legend on the backslash keys for?

Edit: Oh (and I believe I've seen this asked before somewhere in the Houhai thread, but I can't remember the answer), what's the R2 1u Home (行首) key for?

That punctuation mark is the Chinese equivalent of a serial comma. Modern Chinese uses western commas too, but this one is particularly used to separate items or actions in a series.

The R2 home key is total personal preference. Those of us who do a lot of text editing may prefer to have their delete key across from backspace, and their home/end keys on r2 and r3 below it. I tend to use a lot more home/end than pg up/dn, so I have the latter on a layer. 65s are sort of the most common form factor at the moment, and the nav cluster is small so the keys you choose matter most. It’s just an option I don’t see often enough and because I’m the designer and it’s my preference, I’ve included it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 13 October 2020, 07:52:25
That punctuation mark is the Chinese equivalent of a serial comma. Modern Chinese uses western commas too, but this one is particularly used to separate items or actions in a series.

The R2 home key is total personal preference. Those of us who do a lot of text editing may prefer to have their delete key across from backspace, and their home/end keys on r2 and r3 below it. I tend to use a lot more home/end than pg up/dn, so I have the latter on a layer. 65s are sort of the most common form factor at the moment, and the nav cluster is small so the keys you choose matter most. It’s just an option I don’t see often enough and because I’m the designer and it’s my preference, I’ve included it.

Sounds good, thanks for the explanation and the clarification. By the way, the Drop ALT (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/drop-alt-mechanical-keyboard/FP/jvaBVTl3Qza8nbN2bgP9_PC.png), which is arguably the most common 65% board out in the wild, also has Home on R2 by default (together with R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn), so in doing this you're also covering users of that layout.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Audiobs on Tue, 13 October 2020, 16:22:38
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.

To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.

Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Deskmats up
Post by: chris_1865 on Wed, 14 October 2020, 04:12:49
Finally a GMK changje input keycap...Hope the base kit include TC instead of SC

---

Edit for second inpression(?) of the TC kit

It's a little weird to see SC words straightly convert to TC imo since TC's translation words may be different from SC (e.g. Print Screen is better translate into 截圖/擷圖). It would be better to let TC & SC have its own translated words. AFAIK the translation of ins/del/PgUP/Pgdown/Home/End is both correct in TC or SC, and menu may be better translate into 功能 in TC

btw the 「柳」 problem in numpad happened again lol. 6 should be 「陸」.

Thanks friend, we’ll get these legends fixed. If you have any other translation fixes for TC, please share them with me at grundlemere#1126 on Discord and we will run them through a couple of our partners. Want to make sure they are right.

Ugh sorry about the numpad, not sure how that one slipped by us again but you’re the first person to notice it. I even know that character means “willow.” We’ll add both these points to the kit changes for next round.

oh sh!t I haven't seen this reply until now coz I didn't check geekhack everyday… Seems I'm late. I guess I'd rather put some opinions here instead.

Glad to see the translation improvement! (Especially the numpad 6 lol) However I still find something looks like haven't been translate yet in TC numpad part. The capital number letter of 2, 3& 6 are different between sc & tc, which should be 貳/叄/陸 instead of the sc one. Also is there any reason for both tc & sc numpad have the same numpad 7 key? I don't see any needs for 2 numpad 7 key imo……
 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Thu, 15 October 2020, 11:59:53
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.

To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.

Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!

According to our IC responses and market insights from our partners in Asia, there's strong demand for both, and we expect for there to be strong demand for both in future GBs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Makish on Thu, 15 October 2020, 15:07:19
Oh man, I think I might actually buy every kit with this one. Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Firebear31 on Fri, 16 October 2020, 04:30:03
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.

To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.

Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!

According to our IC responses and market insights from our partners in Asia, there's strong demand for both, and we expect for there to be strong demand for both in future GBs.

I just asked my GF and she is typing in Pinyin (like myself). She's from Guangdong. There's an even harder version of typing than cangjie which is by strokes instead of radicals. I meanif people are used to write like this okay :D but for me it's hard to think of like writing the word I guess, instead of just typing the pinyin and picking the right word. But it still looks cool :D  Can't imagine writing latin letters by strokes xD Then we could make 30% keyboards with all functions I suppose.

Would be curious what the average age is of the people "demanding it". I guess the young are more used to pinyin now due to mobile phones.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 16 October 2020, 10:09:53
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)

Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.

I'm not sure that the inclusion of white 3u and 2u spacekeys is a necessity. Users would probably get more mileage out of a second black 3u space (for split 3u+3u or 3u+1u+3u setups), and the white 2u space can probably be removed outright seeing as ortho support in base is incomplete, and there is already a black 2u space in the kit.

On a separate note, you can probably remove the second R4 1u Ctrl key and R1 1u Backspace from the base kit.
Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards, only ortho 40%. I believe users (especially in China) would get a lot more mileage out of a R4 1u Shift key, which (together with 2u Shift) is used by the GK64 and similar 60% layouts with arrows, which are very popular in the East.
As for 1u Backspace, not very many boards at all use this size. A notable one is Minila, but this set lacks a couple of keys to be able to support that layout (R4 1.75u Control, R4 1u Shift, among others).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: santela on Fri, 16 October 2020, 11:19:17
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)

Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.

I'm not sure that the inclusion of white 3u and 2u spacekeys is a necessity. Users would probably get more mileage out of a second black 3u space (for split 3u+3u or 3u+1u+3u setups), and the white 2u space can probably be removed outright seeing as ortho support in base is incomplete, and there is already a black 2u space in the kit.

On a separate note, you can probably remove the second R4 1u Ctrl key and R1 1u Backspace from the base kit.
Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards, only ortho 40%. I believe users (especially in China) would get a lot more mileage out of a R4 1u Shift key, which (together with 2u Shift) is used by the GK64 and similar 60% layouts with arrows, which are very popular in the East.
As for 1u Backspace, not very many boards at all use this size. A notable one is Minila, but this set lacks a couple of keys to be able to support that layout (R4 1.75u Control, R4 1u Shift, among others).

I think the 1u backspace is a good thing to have, since some 60% board users use them. I guess most can replace it with the delete key, but it's not exactly the same. Rama is the worst offender here, their 60% and 65% hotswap pcbs all have 1u backspace (which I hate, but some people might still need them)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: santela on Fri, 16 October 2020, 11:34:53
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.

To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.

Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!

According to our IC responses and market insights from our partners in Asia, there's strong demand for both, and we expect for there to be strong demand for both in future GBs.

I just asked my GF and she is typing in Pinyin (like myself). She's from Guangdong. There's an even harder version of typing than cangjie which is by strokes instead of radicals. I meanif people are used to write like this okay :D but for me it's hard to think of like writing the word I guess, instead of just typing the pinyin and picking the right word. But it still looks cool :D  Can't imagine writing latin letters by strokes xD Then we could make 30% keyboards with all functions I suppose.

Would be curious what the average age is of the people "demanding it". I guess the young are more used to pinyin now due to mobile phones.

I can answer this. What your girlfriend is talking about is called WuBi, and it's a pretty old typing method, I remember it being fairly popular in the 90's in mainland China, but it's something you actually have to learn how to use and remember which strokes go with which keys. There are keyboards out there with WuBi legends on them, but they look very busy and not aesthetically pleasing at all, also pretty much impossible to make as doubleshot keycaps. I'm sure there are probably people still using it but I honestly don't know anyone who actually does anymore. Even my relatives who are 70 years old use pinyin exclusively, since everyone is typing on their phones nowadays and pinyin is just much easier. I've heard people say typing on WuBi can be a lot faster than using pinyin once you are proficient, but I am pretty skeptical about that. There is also another typing method called ZhengMa, which nobody uses and I have zero knowledge of.

Here's a picture of the WuBi keycaps atrocity:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Wubi_keyboard-cut.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: wynects on Sat, 17 October 2020, 04:44:56
Hey dude, both of the deskmats look sooooooo sick! Definitely will get them! 等不及了!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: prizeS on Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:52:32
Hey dude, both of the deskmats look sooooooo sick! Definitely will get them! 等不及了!

在等多一年吧  :))
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: snelltrail on Mon, 19 October 2020, 16:41:52
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.

To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.

Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!

Just wanted to add in answer to this question: some characters are the same in traditional and simplified. That's why only some of the characters are different between the simplified and traditional mod base kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: boneandbee on Mon, 19 October 2020, 20:26:15
The desk mats and novelties on this are exquisite! So beautiful!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Tue, 20 October 2020, 18:06:47
Thanks to everyone for the positive (and constructively critical) feedback! We are rocking and rolling on getting our quotes and art checks for doubleshot mold machining from GMK via Cannonkeys.

Latest thing I wanted to show off is our GMK Shanshui x Digital Carpentry wrist rest prototypes. Michael has been my partner and sounding board since the very beginning, and I’m super happy with his work as always. (I think I have 8 wrist rests from him!?) He will offer as always a range of rare woods, shapes, and custom sizes bearing the Shanshui chop, with an optional red enamel or resin fill. We’re still working out the details but I can’t wait to get the fill work finalized and show you some of our other collabs. The filled one now is intentionally bumpy, as we used a different, more textured version of the art that left some areas unburnt by the engraving laser, but likely the final version will be the cleaner version of the art you see on the darker wood.

(https://i.imgur.com/b4s8nzV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MCXhS9W.jpg)

Full gallery of shots of both prototypes here (https://imgur.com/gallery/ka1XtHr)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Orca Builds on Tue, 20 October 2020, 18:13:30
100% in amazing work
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: boneandbee on Wed, 21 October 2020, 14:17:18
Those wrist rests are amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Firebear31 on Thu, 22 October 2020, 11:42:53
damn, those wristrests!
Will there be ebony or other dark wood ones?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: DigitalCarpentry on Thu, 22 October 2020, 13:10:30
Those wrist rests are amazing!

Thanks! It helps when someone takes good photos of them too... :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: DigitalCarpentry on Thu, 22 October 2020, 13:13:00
damn, those wristrests!
Will there be ebony or other dark wood ones?

I do have some darker woods such as Wenge and that Peruvian Walnut. They would need to have the enamel/paint fill to show up well against the wood. Ebony would only be a option if someone was willing to pay up front for it seeing as the wood itself is so expensive.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 23 October 2020, 06:32:13
OK now in for deskmats and the wrist rests.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 23 October 2020, 10:45:03
Glad y'all like the wrist rests! R2 proto of the enamel fill incoming. Want to clean up a little bit there.

Also, happy Friday, just wanted to share something I thought was cool. Now that Graen is a confirmed Iron180 color, this is a real thing that I will have on my desk someday in 2021.

(https://i.imgur.com/vGRixum.jpeg)

It's the little things in life. Can't wait for either GB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: kokugatsu on Fri, 23 October 2020, 12:35:12
The quote 「山水甲天下」 on Karst doesn't really make sense linguistically, I get the inspiration behind it but it would just look like a misquote to a native speaker? Not a complete deal breaker and probably won't matter to the western audience anyway.

Big fan of the Rafts deskmat btw
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 24 October 2020, 09:59:58
The quote 「山水甲天下」 on Karst doesn't really make sense linguistically, I get the inspiration behind it but it would just look like a misquote to a native speaker? Not a complete deal breaker and probably won't matter to the western audience anyway.

Big fan of the Rafts deskmat btw

It might not be apparent to everyone but that’s actually a common slogan for the people of Guilin and the Li River. Google image search it and see what comes up.

(https://i.imgur.com/32JbM2B.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: CobraLi on Mon, 26 October 2020, 09:04:46
I can't wait for this groupbuy cause I need some Chinese keycaps for another keyboard and these look great! Saving up for them!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 26 October 2020, 10:23:32
I can't wait for this groupbuy cause I need some Chinese keycaps for another keyboard and these look great! Saving up for them!

Thank you! Just waiting to hear from GMK on pricing and legends. Really excited to bring this to users in China, HK, TW, and everywhere around the world!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 26 October 2020, 10:37:15


Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)

Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.

I'm not sure that the inclusion of white 3u and 2u spacekeys is a necessity. Users would probably get more mileage out of a second black 3u space (for split 3u+3u or 3u+1u+3u setups), and the white 2u space can probably be removed outright seeing as ortho support in base is incomplete, and there is already a black 2u space in the kit.

On a separate note, you can probably remove the second R4 1u Ctrl key and R1 1u Backspace from the base kit.
Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards, only ortho 40%. I believe users (especially in China) would get a lot more mileage out of a R4 1u Shift key, which (together with 2u Shift) is used by the GK64 and similar 60% layouts with arrows, which are very popular in the East.
As for 1u Backspace, not very many boards at all use this size. A notable one is Minila, but this set lacks a couple of keys to be able to support that layout (R4 1.75u Control, R4 1u Shift, among others).

Have you had a chance to take a look at this post?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Ulliam on Mon, 26 October 2020, 16:25:52
Looking forward to this set and have been for a minute, I wish the novelties we're a little more inspired tho, and I'd love to know what extent "based on the works of" means in the deskmats.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Tue, 27 October 2020, 12:56:27


Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)

Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.

I'm not sure that the inclusion of white 3u and 2u spacekeys is a necessity. Users would probably get more mileage out of a second black 3u space (for split 3u+3u or 3u+1u+3u setups), and the white 2u space can probably be removed outright seeing as ortho support in base is incomplete, and there is already a black 2u space in the kit.

On a separate note, you can probably remove the second R4 1u Ctrl key and R1 1u Backspace from the base kit.
Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards, only ortho 40%. I believe users (especially in China) would get a lot more mileage out of a R4 1u Shift key, which (together with 2u Shift) is used by the GK64 and similar 60% layouts with arrows, which are very popular in the East.
As for 1u Backspace, not very many boards at all use this size. A notable one is Minila, but this set lacks a couple of keys to be able to support that layout (R4 1.75u Control, R4 1u Shift, among others).

Have you had a chance to take a look at this post?

We've made all the kitting changes we plan to make at this point, unless there's a dramatic need to cost-cut depending on the quote from GMK. We included two 3U spacebars and two 2u spacebars, one in black and one in white, to give users some options for an accent space (in the case of the 2u) and for a design flourish to include one of each in white and black for users of 3U+3U setups.

I have personally owned or built two different compact full-size boards that use or can use two 1U spacerow mods including CTRL. R1 1U backspace is used by some who prefer a split BS layout, or for ortho 40s.

The R4 1U shift key is a good point, but we are past adding new keys to the kits, this post of yours being the only such request during the IC period. In any case, while it's not a perfect solution, the novelties add support for rare layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Tue, 27 October 2020, 13:11:39
Looking forward to this set and have been for a minute, I wish the novelties we're a little more inspired tho, and I'd love to know what extent "based on the works of" means in the deskmats.

I sent you a DM on Discord. Happy to discuss anything that didn't get covered in this IC thread about the deskmats.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Glenn315 on Sun, 01 November 2020, 23:05:02
Everything about this set looks amazing. Looking forward to New Years! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: MilkTea_QAQ on Sun, 01 November 2020, 23:50:47
I can't wait for this groupbuy cause I need some Chinese keycaps for another keyboard and these look great! Saving up for them!

Thank you! Just waiting to hear from GMK on pricing and legends. Really excited to bring this to users in China, HK, TW, and everywhere around the world!
Nowadays, only HK and TW uses 倉頡, I really don’t understand why TC is not the basic set instead of SC. 倉頡 can only type with TC
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: cbbplanet on Mon, 02 November 2020, 18:19:13
Just submitted IC for this. gluck! we need more chinese keysets

but yeah agreed.. changjie is really for traditional chinese only. i might just do mods for this in traditional chinese and hopefully get on the gmk zhuyin alphas
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Wed, 04 November 2020, 08:15:53
Hey everyone, updates are going to be a little slow in coming as we are reworking the legends to meet GMK specs. The incredibly fine details, especially of TC characters on mods, is proving tough to meet GMK's specs for their mold machining equipment. It will work, it's just going to take a lot of very fine adjustment.

I'm hoping this work will be done within a couple of weeks, then back to GMK for quotes and pricing. Will update you on that. Hoping also to have some collab prototypes or other partner stuff to share in the meantime. Thanks for your patience!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Masticccc on Mon, 09 November 2020, 10:03:34
Is there a possible for Chinese numpad for Clear water kit also? I was planning to make full Chinese monolegend keyboard with Old Path + Clear Water and now I see the numpad on base kit also. It would be really painful for me to buy the base kit just for the Chinese monolegend numpad lol.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: noodleman on Mon, 09 November 2020, 14:13:00
i'm sure this was asked before but I can't seem to find the post.  Is there a reason why the old path kit isn't just a seperate base kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: maxohmax on Tue, 10 November 2020, 13:54:25
One of the best kits I've seen in a while. Definitely getting the base.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 10 November 2020, 15:28:32
Wish the monolegends were in the base kit kinda like masterpiece, but regardless this looks like a must buy
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: sirm1ster on Thu, 12 November 2020, 07:44:36
Is there also plans to create white colored caps with black characters? I'm not a big fan of black colored caps, but this set seems to look amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Thu, 12 November 2020, 11:55:38
Hey everyone, making great progress on adjusting the legends by hand to meet GMK's specs. Should be done this month to include at least one new board render.

Kits are not likely to change at this point, though we are getting a quote for an alt TC base kit to see how that works out. Explanation is that our main goal here is to get all molds made, and with all the interest in TC, SC might not get made at all. Shanshui is both a labor of love and a means to an end to get GMK Houhai produced, as well as kits planned by four other designers who want to use the Chinese legends.

With regards to BoW, I would like to tentatively plan on that happening for r2 of this set if it's a successful GB, but there are no guarantees of that and it's likely a long way off given that I plan to run at least two more GBs before that happens. It would be a fantastic look for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: Perch on Fri, 20 November 2020, 08:48:26
The deskmats really make this set special. I love it <3
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: santela on Fri, 20 November 2020, 11:34:16
Hey everyone, making great progress on adjusting the legends by hand to meet GMK's specs. Should be done this month to include at least one new board render.

Kits are not likely to change at this point, though we are getting a quote for an alt TC base kit to see how that works out. Explanation is that our main goal here is to get all molds made, and with all the interest in TC, SC might not get made at all. Shanshui is both a labor of love and a means to an end to get GMK Houhai produced, as well as kits planned by four other designers who want to use the Chinese legends.

With regards to BoW, I would like to tentatively plan on that happening for r2 of this set if it's a successful GB, but there are no guarantees of that and it's likely a long way off given that I plan to run at least two more GBs before that happens. It would be a fantastic look for sure.

Since the cangjie inputting method isn't used in mainland, TC actually makes more sense. But right now some of the modifiers and some legends are mostly using mainland translations, which do not make much sense in TC. Examples being 《》 should probably be omitted as they are not really used in regions that use TC. The enter key should also probably be translated to 輸入 instead, as 回车 isn't really used in TC. Like you said you are not planning to change the kit at this point, which means sticking to SC is probably less headache and more accurate.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: donny_pete on Fri, 20 November 2020, 23:32:31
This is super hype
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Final Kit Changes
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 11:50:47
Hey everyone, making great progress on adjusting the legends by hand to meet GMK's specs. Should be done this month to include at least one new board render.

Kits are not likely to change at this point, though we are getting a quote for an alt TC base kit to see how that works out. Explanation is that our main goal here is to get all molds made, and with all the interest in TC, SC might not get made at all. Shanshui is both a labor of love and a means to an end to get GMK Houhai produced, as well as kits planned by four other designers who want to use the Chinese legends.

With regards to BoW, I would like to tentatively plan on that happening for r2 of this set if it's a successful GB, but there are no guarantees of that and it's likely a long way off given that I plan to run at least two more GBs before that happens. It would be a fantastic look for sure.



Since the cangjie inputting method isn't used in mainland, TC actually makes more sense. But right now some of the modifiers and some legends are mostly using mainland translations, which do not make much sense in TC. Examples being 《》 should probably be omitted as they are not really used in regions that use TC. The enter key should also probably be translated to 輸入 instead, as 回车 isn't really used in TC. Like you said you are not planning to change the kit at this point, which means sticking to SC is probably less headache and more accurate.

Yep, we had a long open period for asking the TC user community to share any changes they saw necessary, and most agreed that the legends were accurate in both TC and SC. We checked with TW and HK users, and checked the Microsoft TC translation manual. The challenge is that most keys have been rendered in English for so long, that very few users are really aware of a practical Chinese name, so we went with our best guess after consulting with many users and vendors in territories that use both systems. the other thing I learned is that TC is not monolithic, and that legends differ even among TW, HK, and areas within South China where TC is still used. Sorry we didn't get your feedback in that stage.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: donny_pete on Sat, 21 November 2020, 11:53:55
If money allows, will 100% get this set. It can literally go with any color keeb
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 11:54:01
Everyone! Wanted to make sure you saw the new retooled legends I created to meet GMK's machining specs. Kit and board renders will be out soon, but here they are:

(https://i.imgur.com/YZ7INWf.png)

Here's a link to download a full-size image and see all the detail (https://i.imgur.com/YZ7INWf.png)

I've spent the last couple of weeks completely overhauling the legends to meet the specs: adding cutaways to minute interior spaces, broadening strokes, narrowing and straightening negative space, rounding corners, and in a few cases, simplifying elements altogether. More detail on the process in the main post.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 11:55:30
If money allows, will 100% get this set. It can literally go with any color keeb

Thanks Donny! We're hopeful the stock colors will keep the price down despite the considerable cost of all the new legends. Certainly an R2 will be very affordable, but R1 still has to happen to make it so.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: ABABA on Sun, 22 November 2020, 14:30:13
Amazing! Really appreciate the work you put in to make cangjie sublegends a reality, can't wait to get this :)
I do have a question - I noticed that both 陸 and 貳 are in simplified rather than traditional on the numpads for the trad set, was that intentional? It seems a bit out of place to me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: Digmo on Sun, 22 November 2020, 15:16:03
Looking good
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: sup3r170va on Sun, 22 November 2020, 18:22:39
Love this set. Personally I think BoW would sell better, and fit the 山水 title better  :))
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Sun, 22 November 2020, 18:37:11
Amazing! Really appreciate the work you put in to make cangjie sublegends a reality, can't wait to get this :)
I do have a question - I noticed that both 陸 and 貳 are in simplified rather than traditional on the numpads for the trad set, was that intentional? It seems a bit out of place to me.

Ah! Good catch. Looks like I will need to fix these on final round.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Sun, 22 November 2020, 18:38:39
Love this set. Personally I think BoW would sell better, and fit the 山水 title better  :))

I think this will happen in round 2! I generally agree, but the design happened before the theme, and our early supporters really preferred WoB. Once we get this set made, I would like to explore offering both in a second round.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 23 November 2020, 08:09:58
Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABA

(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)

link to full-size image (https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: MilkTea_QAQ on Mon, 23 November 2020, 08:12:01
Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABA

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)


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(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png]http://link to full-size image)

Why is the numpad enter different from the alpha’s enter? They should be the same right? Kinda weird if you ask me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 23 November 2020, 08:28:59
Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABA

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png]http://link to full-size image)

Why is the numpad enter different from the alpha’s enter? They should be the same right? Kinda weird if you ask me.

Not in most cases according to the conventions that I extensively researched. Do you know the characters? It's like the difference between "return" and "enter". The return key 回车 is literally "return carriage," as on an old typewriter, while 输入  is "enter sum" as on a calculator.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 28 November 2020, 09:44:45
Quick update: legend re-renders are in the works in the Alpha Studio laboratories as we speak. Looking forward to showing you the new kits ASAP.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: Crab2020 on Sat, 28 November 2020, 12:27:39
Oh my god, it’s perfect
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:45:47
Oh my god, it’s perfect

Thank you! I can't wait to show everyone the new legends.  NathanAlphaMan says the alphas are done, now on to SC mods and TC supplements. Should be soon!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: kikichan86 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 22:25:35
Definitely in for the deskmat at least..in particular because I need something on my desk that reminds me of The Untamed xDD
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Thu, 03 December 2020, 09:11:29
Definitely in for the deskmat at least..in particular because I need something on my desk that reminds me of The Untamed xDD

Is this...gay magical kung fu? Holy **** I'm in this looks amazing
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 04 December 2020, 08:55:04
Just had some great conversations with artisan makers yesterday, and I'm proud to add Destroyer Caps, Rascal Caps, Rejeck Kaps, and Frumpzkeys to the collab partnerships list! All will be making special runs of their super cool sculpts for GMK Shanshui, joining Deag, Sodie, Latrialum, and many of my other favorite makers to make something special for this set.

Still to come:

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: CobraLi on Sat, 05 December 2020, 04:11:51
Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABA

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)


link to full-size image (https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)

I am checking on this thread and ready for the groupbuy! Really want the traditional set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Retooled Chinese Legends!
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 05 December 2020, 09:30:26
Thank you, friend! I’m excited too, I can’t wait to make it real for you!

Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABA

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)


link to full-size image (https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)

I am checking on this thread and ready for the groupbuy! Really want the traditional set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: Bunn3y on Sat, 05 December 2020, 11:07:16
I noticed that the 難 alpha in the SC base kit is a TC character of 难, but I am not sure if that is intentionally left in or a mistake. Can you please clarify on that?
On another note, this set is looking great. GLWIC :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 05 December 2020, 12:57:32
Interesting set. I like. Treeleaf approved
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: grundlemere on Sun, 06 December 2020, 10:47:29
I noticed that the 難 alpha in the SC base kit is a TC character of 难, but I am not sure if that is intentionally left in or a mistake. Can you please clarify on that?
On another note, this set is looking great. GLWIC :D

Ah, yes! This is intentional. I made the decision to leave the TC character in the SC alphas, because after consulting with friends on the Mainland, they agreed that while Cangjie is not used frequently in Mainland China, the legends used there never employ simplified version of 難...it just wouldn't look right.

Thanks for your kind comment and your support!

Interesting set. I like. Treeleaf approved

Thank you! I'm really excited about it, and it's always nice to have some positive feedback!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: illuminarias on Mon, 07 December 2020, 12:34:43
pretty excited for this! Might be my first GMK set :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: mustardgreens on Mon, 07 December 2020, 12:48:45
pretty excited for this! Might be my first GMK set :)

Might be my last  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 07 December 2020, 12:56:19
pretty excited for this! Might be my first GMK set :)

Might be my last  :D

We all keep saying it, and yet...   :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: Galakc on Mon, 07 December 2020, 14:42:59
Those deskmats are very interesting, looking forward to any sample of these
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: foolish on Mon, 07 December 2020, 17:12:11
Goodness gracious this whole set is AWESOME. Especially those desk mats. If I don't end up getting the set I HAVE to have one if not both of those desk mats.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: ThomasTaiTai on Mon, 07 December 2020, 17:51:52
Why are the base kit mods simplified instead of traditional?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: 14x71 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 12:45:32
take my money
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: thejuicebox on Tue, 08 December 2020, 12:45:49
count me in, this set is flawless from base to rama caps
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: grundlemere on Tue, 08 December 2020, 16:01:09
take my money

count me in, this set is flawless from base to rama caps

Y'all gon make me cry  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: iinko_mk on Tue, 08 December 2020, 17:16:01
I'm all in for a Chinese set! Something that i can actually know what it means that isn't English
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: grundlemere on Wed, 09 December 2020, 11:51:14
Really, really excited to add a collab artisan from Bludgeoned Caps during the GB period!

Even more excited to let you know that the hand adjustments to legends has been approved by GMK and this set is feasible! It took about 150 hours of work but they are beautiful and I can't wait to share renders. Everything is coming together very nicely.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 13 December 2020, 08:17:51
Really, really excited to add a collab artisan from Bludgeoned Caps during the GB period!

Even more excited to let you know that the hand adjustments to legends has been approved by GMK and this set is feasible! It took about 150 hours of work but they are beautiful and I can't wait to share renders. Everything is coming together very nicely.
Both exciting news.

Blud Kaps has been putting some fire material out lately. Stoked.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: grundlemere on Sun, 13 December 2020, 10:09:57
Really, really excited to add a collab artisan from Bludgeoned Caps during the GB period!

Even more excited to let you know that the hand adjustments to legends has been approved by GMK and this set is feasible! It took about 150 hours of work but they are beautiful and I can't wait to share renders. Everything is coming together very nicely.
Both exciting news.

Blud Kaps has been putting some fire material out lately. Stoked.

Just awesome stuff. If jAnus was great before, 1.5 is mind-blowing. The Bubble Nebula is my absolute fave cw, so much weird depth and transparency and light tricks. Can’t wait to see what he’s cooking up for Shanshui. Still a surprise to me!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: atlanticise on Mon, 14 December 2020, 07:16:11
Super stoked. This is easily one of the most anticipated sets for me!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: Daomington on Sun, 20 December 2020, 22:32:14
I can't wait for it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: MilkTea_QAQ on Sun, 20 December 2020, 23:15:27
Price?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - New Collab Partners
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 21 December 2020, 18:12:50
Lot of news coming in the next couple of days, hoping for tomorrow, to include pricing and final collab. Couple of prototypes of accessories as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Pricing and Final Kits
Post by: grundlemere on Thu, 24 December 2020, 11:32:15
December 24 Updates


GB thread coming soon. Happy holidays, everyone! GB starts in one week!


Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Pricing and Final Kits
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 26 December 2020, 16:35:38
GB thread is live: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110355.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110355.0)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Shanshui 山水 - Pricing and Final Kits
Post by: karateyes on Mon, 04 January 2021, 16:50:58
wish you guys offered a 65% version and N E W S directional arrow keys with mods :(