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Title: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
Post by: well_cooper on Thu, 26 November 2020, 07:30:49
Are you ready for a keycap revolution ?
DISCORD LINK (https://discord.gg/t7BzyJt6XK) - Join to see our progress
IC Form now LIVE
https://forms.gle/AZLv5yJJ5gJPyjru7 (https://forms.gle/AZLv5yJJ5gJPyjru7)
It is happening! Pre production samples have arrived CLICK HERE (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109843.msg3006433#msg3006433)
Hi fellow keeb and cap lovers, I'm helping a friend out with their upcoming project that they are keen to seek your feedback!

Introducing Besides Studio - 5 truly nerdy old boys who worked in the computer peripheral industry for many years, we designed computer cases, keyboards, gaming mouses, and headsets.  Currently, we have two industrial designers, two mechanical engineers, and one electronic engineer.


Inspiration
The inspiration of creating a full set of machined aluminum keycaps was at one stage just some drunk talk between the 5 of us since we already have full aluminum custom keyboard cases why not go all out and have a full set of metal keycaps to match.

While we are not the first to think, design, and make CNC aluminum keycaps but at the price point ($30 Ė 50 USD per 1u keycap) has restricted full sets to only be enjoyed by a few, on a commission basis. With a madmanís (that is me :p ) encouragement, we set a goal to make them more accessible at a somewhat obtainable price.

(https://i.imgur.com/PYxyeyn.jpg)

The first round of samples

Design
The full sets of keycaps will be based on the popular cherry profile (R1 Ė R2 Ė R3 Ė R4 Ė Space) with some design tweaks added for better user experience. During our first prototype we found that at fast typing situations, fingers can hit the edge of higher row keys, with plastic material (ABS or PBT) this is not much of a big deal. With much harder material it can be unpleasant therefore during our second prototype we decided to round the edge off the front-facing surface to lower the possibility for that to happen. The same applies to the space bar as well (no more thumb resting marks!)

(https://i.imgur.com/DOKQmhq.jpg)

The first round of samples


Kitting v1.2 - UPDATED FEB 2021 (MOD & BAR kit pricing will be updated)

Blank Set
(https://i.imgur.com/NR0MHcX.jpg)
Legend Set
(https://i.imgur.com/DT9fLRb.jpg)


Kitting v1
More
At the moment with kitting, we have taken a leaflet out of KAT Refine kitting style to cater for different keyboard layouts. We aim to be compatible with 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL and full 104 keys
 
We plan to introduce Alpha, F Row, Function Numpad, Arrow, Modifiers and Space bar - 7 separate kitS so no matter how serious or sceptical you are there is a kit that you can purchase at various price points to give them a try.

Blank Set

(https://i.imgur.com/J5cBH4G.jpg)
Alpha - $199 USD

(https://i.imgur.com/QydNdqj.jpg)
Modifier - $150 USD


(https://i.imgur.com/SUZDXvE.jpg)
F Row - $89 USD


(https://i.imgur.com/7Jwr3DE.jpg)
Numpad - $95 USD | Function - $29 USD | Arrow - $19 USD


(https://i.imgur.com/KaKNxnW.jpg)
Space bar - $55 USD

Legend Set


Since many people have request caps with legends, we thought about offering a laser engraving service rather than opening up another IC. (Laser engraving cost is EST to be $35 USD for a full set)

(https://i.imgur.com/W5bTFtZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dKRnB0G.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ayMyZgJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VAUaaaj.jpg)

Colours

Black, Silver, Pale gold, Red, Navy,
(https://i.imgur.com/7TMK8l4.jpg)

More

(https://i.imgur.com/lVryq1g.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LKyGMGk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/I2UWdZX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YADfOPR.jpg)

Render Gallery

Red with Black on M60-A - case file courtesy of RAMA WORKS
(https://i.imgur.com/MovgMoz.jpg)

More
Black and Gold, never grow old - case file courtesy of proto[Typiest]
(https://i.imgur.com/mzFp7as.jpg)

Silver with Navy on U80 - case file courtesy of RAMA WORKS
(https://i.imgur.com/pFfQ0mb.jpg)

Black with Gold on SP-111 - case file courtesy of TKC
(https://i.imgur.com/Dd0eg9r.jpg)

Black with Silver on Klippe T R3 - case file courtesy of Mekanisk
(https://i.imgur.com/ZCxFAPg.jpg)


Laser etched samples


(https://i.imgur.com/8tfPR2s.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YzJH8Bz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1hQWuhg.jpg)


Delivery time frame


Estimated 1.5 months for 100 full kits (TBC)
We are working very closely with our manufacturing partners to ensure capacity can be met and finish product quality is up to standard.



Material
The full set will be made of 6063 Aluminum, different colour sets will be achieved through anodizing. Capsí cross stem is MX switch compatible (tightness can be easily adjusted)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/TlPEo6M.jpg)
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  • 1u cap weight = ~2g
  • 2.25u cap weight = ~4.5g
  • 2.75u cap weight = ~5.5g
  • 6.25u space bar weight = ~12.5g
We engineered the cap to be light so that (to us) there is little need to change to heavy spring weight switches or spring swap. So far it has been tested on 62g Everglide Teal v2.5 linear switches and 42g Oreo tactile switches.
Potato sound test setup with Cyberboard & Banana Split 62g Switches
More prototype pictures can be found here (https://imgur.com/a/LZKkD1j)


Banner
(https://i.imgur.com/Iy6UWy6.png)
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To do list:
  • Renders for all 5 available colours - Uploaded (100% completion)
  • Laser engraving sample - Uploaded (100% completion)
  • Final Kitting update - completed (100%)
  • GB! - Soon

Update Log
26 Feb 2021 - Kitting update
21 Jan 2021 - Pre production sample photo added
14 Jan 2021 - Laser etched sample photo added
07 Jan 2021 - renders ++
02 Jan 2021 - More renders added
29 Dec 2020 - All colour render added, To do list updated
21 Dec 2020 - Legends sets render uploaded, added To do list
15 Dec 2020 - Tidy up post, Sound Test uploaded
13 Dec 2020 - Caps render, Kitting, Prices uploaded. Discord link and IC form link available
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: tzoyo512 on Thu, 26 November 2020, 07:42:17
 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: yui on Thu, 26 November 2020, 07:48:34
very nice, if you manage to get alu key caps to an "affordable" price it would be great.
i am a sucker for raw machined aluminum, would you think that could be an option? or that could even work on a keyboard? and i would need iso support, else i'll settle for just the spacebar.
and do you have plans for international buyers (i am guessing that you are based in the US)?
that is a loads of ifs but if you stay close to the teased pricing, ship to Europe and support iso i would most definitely get a set, and if you can get raw machined alu that would be even better
in any cases, good luck.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: krzank on Thu, 26 November 2020, 07:54:03
I want it.
Maybe I'll be able to afford full set.
 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: sup3r170va on Thu, 26 November 2020, 08:33:51
Very interesting idea. Definitely keen to watch this space.
For my info, does the mod kit include at least one spacebar? While I understand the need to break up to reduce the per kit price, Iím hoping I donít need 4 kits (alphas, mods, space, arrows) for a 65% board :)

By the way do they come with legends? Yes right?
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: Rossman360 on Thu, 26 November 2020, 08:37:18
wow, looks way less obviously metalic than other metal caps I've seen
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: bigfishkb on Thu, 26 November 2020, 12:47:03
Wow, great looking set. If the price can actually get low enough I would totally grab some. The nice teal color in the pictures isn't listed under available options though. I would want those and navy to make match hammerhead colors.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: Anthixious on Thu, 26 November 2020, 20:22:16
These caps can be done in a mint anon green?! Ugh, I might have to reconsider this <3 hoping I can save up for this in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: johnnysstash on Thu, 26 November 2020, 20:24:24
these look pretty insane, ill have two sets please!
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 27 November 2020, 01:53:55
sound test?
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Fri, 27 November 2020, 04:18:04
Wonderful idea and goal you all have- I'm hoping to hear more from this, and if things go the way they're planned to- I'd absolutely love a set!
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 27 November 2020, 04:24:02
HEAVY METAL

Yes, I want this.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 04:56:30
very nice, if you manage to get alu key caps to an "affordable" price it would be great.
i am a sucker for raw machined aluminum, would you think that could be an option? or that could even work on a keyboard? and i would need iso support, else i'll settle for just the spacebar.
and do you have plans for international buyers (i am guessing that you are based in the US)?
that is a loads of ifs but if you stay close to the teased pricing, ship to Europe and support iso i would most definitely get a set, and if you can get raw machined alu that would be even better
in any cases, good luck.

Thank you, we are trying tho. We have done processes to reduce the amount of machining hours and release price is looking good so far (needs tweaking)
We will have ISO support, metal keycaps will work just like normal keycaps. Group buy will be available to international buyers.

In regards to Raw alu, the problem is that if the surface left untreated it will oxidize overtime (unless that is something you are willing to deal with) we currently don't have plan to have raw machined sets available
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 04:57:33
I want it.
Maybe I'll be able to afford full set.
 :thumb:

 :D That is why we here! Stay tuned
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 04:59:49
Very interesting idea. Definitely keen to watch this space.
For my info, does the mod kit include at least one spacebar? While I understand the need to break up to reduce the per kit price, Iím hoping I donít need 4 kits (alphas, mods, space, arrows) for a 65% board :)

By the way do they come with legends? Yes right?

We are working on the kitting atm, currently we plan to include 2 Space bars in the ALPHA kit (6.25u & 7u), Space bar kit will have other sizes for split space support

Lengends fonts can make or break a set, given everyone's taste is different we are thinking about doing a blank sets. You will be able to vote in the IC form when it becomes available
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:02:07
Wow, great looking set. If the price can actually get low enough I would totally grab some. The nice teal color in the pictures isn't listed under available options though. I would want those and navy to make match hammerhead colors.

Colour you see in the photos are the prototype sample set I currently have, Teal is chosen as a demo colour and before GB we will have an IC form to take on colour suggestion and you can vote for the colour you want
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:03:36
These caps can be done in a mint anon green?! Ugh, I might have to reconsider this <3 hoping I can save up for this in the future.

mint anon green....possible but it might be done in just Limited 1/1 sets  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:04:30
these look pretty insane, ill have two sets please!

Thank you, keep an eye on this place for IC form when it's ready to be released
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:05:35
sound test?

It's been planned, will have them available together with IC form link later on
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:05:52
These caps can be done in a mint anon green?! Ugh, I might have to reconsider this <3 hoping I can save up for this in the future.

mint anon green....possible but it might be done in just Limited 1/1 sets  ;D

Depending on the price and color options, I might get more than one set. Good luck you guys.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:06:12
Wonderful idea and goal you all have- I'm hoping to hear more from this, and if things go the way they're planned to- I'd absolutely love a set!

It WILL happen  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:06:31
HEAVY METAL

Yes, I want this.

Yes sir!
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: Anthixious on Fri, 27 November 2020, 14:35:34
These caps can be done in a mint anon green?! Ugh, I might have to reconsider this <3 hoping I can save up for this in the future.

mint anon green....possible but it might be done in just Limited 1/1 sets  ;D

Alright I have no idea why I typed that, I'm pretty sure I meant anod for anodised, whoopsthies.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: UberPlatypus on Fri, 27 November 2020, 15:45:36
Now this. This is something I will pay for... Assuming it isn't more than $400 for a TKL layout... If it can be $300 for a TKL layout I'm sold.

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Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: Nyeezy on Fri, 27 November 2020, 21:10:04
Following


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Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 27 November 2020, 21:18:19
Love it.  I have rough fingers from peeling dry skin in the cold months.   These caps would feel so comfort to type on.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: yukitoki on Fri, 27 November 2020, 22:08:56
I want this  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 28 November 2020, 01:02:01
Also, thinking about color.  I think sticking to natural metallic and neutral colors like silver, gray, bronze, and black make the most sense.  We have a ton of options with color when it comes to plastic keycaps.  I'd love to see something that reflects the natural beauty of the material, at least for the first round  ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: hiddensong on Sat, 28 November 2020, 01:51:57
It all comes down to the price. Will you be the ones to do it!? I think you can.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:14:05
Love it.  I have rough fingers from peeling dry skin in the cold months.   These caps would feel so comfort to type on.   :thumb:

They are smoooooooth  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:15:33
Also, thinking about color.  I think sticking to natural metallic and neutral colors like silver, gray, bronze, and black make the most sense.  We have a ton of options with color when it comes to plastic keycaps.  I'd love to see something that reflects the natural beauty of the material, at least for the first round  ^-^

That's is my goal, would also like to make some easy to pair colours available so it can be easy to pair up with your soon-to-be endgame boards
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:17:52
It all comes down to the price. Will you be the ones to do it!? I think you can.

We have improved CNC process dramatically and the feel on the prototype feels.....man that's something else
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: well_cooper on Sun, 29 November 2020, 05:58:34
Pricing is availabe
Kitting is available
Colour option now added
IC Form is LIVE
Discord link addedLegend sets addedTo do list added
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: yui on Mon, 30 November 2020, 05:22:36
In regards to Raw alu, the problem is that if the surface left untreated it will oxidize overtime (unless that is something you are willing to deal with) we currently don't have plan to have raw machined sets available
well it was only a bonus :) i will take silver anodized if raw is not available.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: beigeandbrown on Mon, 30 November 2020, 06:14:44
I'm not too knowing about this type of stuff but IIRC, aluminum oxide is actually a type of protectant from oxidation itself. unlike flaky iron oxide on regular steel, aluminum oxide forms a durable layer over raw aluminum almost immediately, creating a natural barrier to further oxidation. Therefore I don't think there will be an issue in terms of oxidation over time. I'm not sure how skin oils react to this  aluminum oxide but I'm pretty sure the stuff is non reactive and very tough.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: Beenoman on Mon, 30 November 2020, 10:27:32
Super interesting, do you have a sound test? It'd be interesting to hear the acoustics of it
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: sup3r170va on Mon, 30 November 2020, 14:38:56
I would prefer the set to have legends. GMK style would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 30 November 2020, 18:44:02
I'm not too knowing about this type of stuff but IIRC, aluminum oxide is actually a type of protectant from oxidation itself. unlike flaky iron oxide on regular steel, aluminum oxide forms a durable layer over raw aluminum almost immediately, creating a natural barrier to further oxidation. Therefore I don't think there will be an issue in terms of oxidation over time. I'm not sure how skin oils react to this  aluminum oxide but I'm pretty sure the stuff is non reactive and very tough.

Check this page out
https://www.wileymetal.com/aluminum-corrosion-why-it-happens-and-what-to-do-when-it-does/ (https://www.wileymetal.com/aluminum-corrosion-why-it-happens-and-what-to-do-when-it-does/)
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 30 November 2020, 18:46:11
I would prefer the set to have legends. GMK style would be nice.

Will have options in the IC form and GB will be base on IC results
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: sup3r170va on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:11:52
I would prefer the set to have legends. GMK style would be nice.

Will have options in the IC form and GB will be base on IC results

Thanks. Looking forward to the IC form.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: yui on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:51:22
I'm not too knowing about this type of stuff but IIRC, aluminum oxide is actually a type of protectant from oxidation itself. unlike flaky iron oxide on regular steel, aluminum oxide forms a durable layer over raw aluminum almost immediately, creating a natural barrier to further oxidation. Therefore I don't think there will be an issue in terms of oxidation over time. I'm not sure how skin oils react to this aluminum oxide but I'm pretty sure the stuff is non reactive and very tough.
like iron there is multiple type of oxidation, and skin oils will make it oxide quite slower and so the oxidation will not be uniform, anodization will create a strong and consistent oxide layer, and allow for tinting. and yes alu oxide is very non reactive and pretty much the 2nd strongest material known to man (after diamond)
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: zoo on Wed, 02 December 2020, 10:30:33
Thoughtful fillet
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set - Major UPDATE & IC From LIVE
Post by: well_cooper on Sun, 13 December 2020, 06:08:53
Major UPDATE  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set - Major UPDATE & IC Form LIVE
Post by: yukitoki on Mon, 14 December 2020, 03:07:24
Great Update!
Looking forward to the group buy.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Full CNC Aluminium Cherry Profile Keycaps set
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 14 December 2020, 21:49:41
sound test?
Uploaded today!
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio CNC Aluminium Keycaps set --29.11 Proto photos added
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 14 December 2020, 21:50:26
Super interesting, do you have a sound test? It'd be interesting to hear the acoustics of it
Available now
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: bobasweatandtears on Tue, 15 December 2020, 21:49:25
Sound test is a lot better than I thought an all metal caps set would sound like!
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: pool on Tue, 15 December 2020, 22:41:27
I would be incredibly impressed if you can maintain the alpha sets at $200 dollars. Manufacturing quality metal keycaps is not cheap, especially in high tolerances. I am curious how you're able to maintain such a low price point?

Accounting for machining, sandblasting (which I believe you have), anodizing, and other treatments, that's quite low of a cost per keycap.

I am guessing you are doing all of this in house, which can keep costs low.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: RIFT on Wed, 16 December 2020, 01:47:47
I must succeed with the heaviest board in existence. GIMME GIMMEEee
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: loop | esc lab on Wed, 16 December 2020, 03:34:32
You will have something truly special if you can offer this at the price point you say you will

But it does lead to a lot of questions on my end on what "the catch" is in how you will be achieving this price point. Will you be machining the keycaps or through metal injection molding/casting? What bead blasting level will you be using? How are you doing the anodization? What's the tolerance level you will be achievement? What does "easily adjustable stem" mean (from the look of your stems, they don't seem that much different from typical alu keycap stems). I'm going to guess you mean that typical house tools will allow one to tighten or loosen the stem to fit different stems.

I realize the questions I ask may seem slightly conflict of interest-y but as someone in the same space, that price point seems too good to be true other than if you:
1. Own the CNC machines + anodization (which seems possible considering
2. Literally just paying for material cost
3. Operating in a crazy high volume (which doing the math at 100 sets, doesn't seem super high)
4. You're running your own fulfillment and logistics
5. Not using vendors to help you sell
 
Anyways. You don't need to answer my questions if you feel you're revealing too much.

Again, if you can pull this off at the price point, I would be incredibly impressed. And I root for you the entire way.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: well_cooper on Wed, 16 December 2020, 05:12:09
Sound test is a lot better than I thought an all metal caps set would sound like!


Thanks Boba! Glad you like my potato sound recording setup :D
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: well_cooper on Wed, 16 December 2020, 05:59:24
You will have something truly special if you can offer this at the price point you say you will

But it does lead to a lot of questions on my end on what "the catch" is in how you will be achieving this price point. Will you be machining the keycaps or through metal injection molding/casting? What bead blasting level will you be using? How are you doing the anodization? What's the tolerance level you will be achievement? What does "easily adjustable stem" mean (from the look of your stems, they don't seem that much different from typical alu keycap stems). I'm going to guess you mean that typical house tools will allow one to tighten or loosen the stem to fit different stems.

I realize the questions I ask may seem slightly conflict of interest-y but as someone in the same space, that price point seems too good to be true other than if you:
1. Own the CNC machines + anodization (which seems possible considering
2. Literally just paying for material cost
3. Operating in a crazy high volume (which doing the math at 100 sets, doesn't seem super high)
4. You're running your own fulfillment and logistics
5. Not using vendors to help you sell
 
Anyways. You don't need to answer my questions if you feel you're revealing too much.

Again, if you can pull this off at the price point, I would be incredibly impressed. And I root for you the entire way.
 
I would be incredibly impressed if you can maintain the alpha sets at $200 dollars. Manufacturing quality metal keycaps is not cheap, especially in high tolerances. I am curious how you're able to maintain such a low price point?

Accounting for machining, sandblasting (which I believe you have), anodizing, and other treatments, that's quite low of a cost per keycap.

I am guessing you are doing all of this in house, which can keep costs low.


Appericate your support on our project! Since I saw that video on Linus Tech Tips showing a full metal caps board really made me wanted one, I mean who wouldn't if the price is reasonable. That has been the starting point for this project. Discussing with multiple manufactures and optimzing the machining process started at the start of this year, the whole process was long and frustrating. Some designs seen on other metal novelty caps have to be left out to control cost (engraving on the inside) although I'm hoping to include in the future group buys.


To shed some light in your questions:

Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: well_cooper on Wed, 16 December 2020, 06:01:07
I must succeed with the heaviest board in existence. GIMME GIMMEEee


Super keen to see your proto!
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: loop | esc lab on Wed, 16 December 2020, 22:25:00
You will have something truly special if you can offer this at the price point you say you will

But it does lead to a lot of questions on my end on what "the catch" is in how you will be achieving this price point. Will you be machining the keycaps or through metal injection molding/casting? What bead blasting level will you be using? How are you doing the anodization? What's the tolerance level you will be achievement? What does "easily adjustable stem" mean (from the look of your stems, they don't seem that much different from typical alu keycap stems). I'm going to guess you mean that typical house tools will allow one to tighten or loosen the stem to fit different stems.

I realize the questions I ask may seem slightly conflict of interest-y but as someone in the same space, that price point seems too good to be true other than if you:
1. Own the CNC machines + anodization (which seems possible considering
2. Literally just paying for material cost
3. Operating in a crazy high volume (which doing the math at 100 sets, doesn't seem super high)
4. You're running your own fulfillment and logistics
5. Not using vendors to help you sell
 
Anyways. You don't need to answer my questions if you feel you're revealing too much.

Again, if you can pull this off at the price point, I would be incredibly impressed. And I root for you the entire way.
 
I would be incredibly impressed if you can maintain the alpha sets at $200 dollars. Manufacturing quality metal keycaps is not cheap, especially in high tolerances. I am curious how you're able to maintain such a low price point?

Accounting for machining, sandblasting (which I believe you have), anodizing, and other treatments, that's quite low of a cost per keycap.

I am guessing you are doing all of this in house, which can keep costs low.


Appericate your support on our project! Since I saw that video on Linus Tech Tips showing a full metal caps board really made me wanted one, I mean who wouldn't if the price is reasonable. That has been the starting point for this project. Discussing with multiple manufactures and optimzing the machining process started at the start of this year, the whole process was long and frustrating. Some designs seen on other metal novelty caps have to be left out to control cost (engraving on the inside) although I'm hoping to include in the future group buys.


To shed some light in your questions:
  • We are planning to run fulfillment and logistics by ourselves, keep marketing to the minimum and overheads to the lowest possible
  • Hight volume does allow us to have more leverage with manu to ensure adequate production time frame
  • No vendors for this project since we cannot afford vendor commission at this price point
  • ALL caps regardless its size will be CNC machined, sand blasted then anodized
  • We are thinking about tweaking sand blasting level to give it a slight rougher surface texture but I'm very happy with the proto set I'm currently typing on
  • Stems are easily adjustable with house tools (I've been using small piler and flat head screw driver), we are designing a specialized tool (optional purchase) to be released during GB phase to tighten and loosen stems
  • Anodizing colours are chosen to show off its metallic property hence no E-white or other crazy colours available at this point (will be offered in the future)

 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: yukitoki on Wed, 16 December 2020, 23:11:30
just need to add a in a series-00 shiny esc keycap  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: loop | esc lab on Wed, 16 December 2020, 23:12:46
just need to add a in a series-00 shiny esc keycap  :eek:


Coming Soon ô  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - Sound test uploaded & IC Form LIVE
Post by: titanium on Wed, 16 December 2020, 23:26:23
If you find a way to mimic the scoop/curved F&J home row I will definitely be in. Not a fan of the nub/bar homing unfortunately
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 21st Dec Update & Live Stream
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 21 December 2020, 06:10:08
My good friend and the all around super nice and fun streamer JPermz will stream tomorrow with a prototype set of full metal caps tomorrow at 7PM AEST 22nd Dec (or 3AM EST on  Dec 22nd).  Hope to see you there!

https://www.twitch.tv/jpermz (https://www.twitch.tv/jpermz)
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 21st Dec Update & Live Stream
Post by: SaraZera on Mon, 21 December 2020, 10:40:44
These will be perfect for my next build. Now we play the waiting game.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 21st Dec Update & Live Stream
Post by: snail_typist on Mon, 21 December 2020, 11:00:30
the mods are looking real nice, might get the mods and function keys
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 29 Dec Update
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 28 December 2020, 10:05:57
These will be perfect for my next build. Now we play the waiting game.

The perfect banner combo does exist :cool:

the mods are looking real nice, might get the mods and function keys

Same colour or mix & match?
Title: Re: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 29 Dec Update
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 29 December 2020, 04:53:16
On the right egro board these could really pop.  Have you tested how tight they will fit.  The reason I ask is because sometimes RAMA caps are a little loose on the fit.
Title: Re: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 29 Dec Update
Post by: well_cooper on Tue, 29 December 2020, 07:31:03
On the right egro board these could really pop.  Have you tested how tight they will fit.  The reason I ask is because sometimes RAMA caps are a little loose on the fit.

Cap stem tightness on our one can be easily adjusted. Tho I do notice some switches fits tighter (gat yellows, reds and black, ink series) and some fit slightly less tight (switches made by JWK in general)
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 14 Jan Laser etched sample
Post by: well_cooper on Thu, 14 January 2021, 04:42:56
Second last update before GB! Lets go
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 14 Jan Laser etched sample
Post by: yukitoki on Thu, 14 January 2021, 08:15:22
LETS GOOO  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 26 Jan Pre Production samples
Post by: well_cooper on Tue, 26 January 2021, 02:19:02
(https://i.imgur.com/3KNQ9bm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jD9bWEw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7CZl0D6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/55xD4gG.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 26 Jan Pre Production samples
Post by: Bantalope on Sun, 14 February 2021, 16:18:17
Getting more tempting with every update.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 26 Jan Pre Production samples
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 15 February 2021, 08:02:04
Starting to look better and better.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
Post by: Hellenic94 on Wed, 17 February 2021, 16:56:33
Navy looks amazing. Making me second guess getting striker.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
Post by: twohands on Thu, 18 February 2021, 19:18:22
Any chance there will be blanks for ergo modifiers available? I would be in for multiple sets if it will be  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
Post by: well_cooper on Fri, 19 February 2021, 04:25:15
Any chance there will be blanks for ergo modifiers available? I would be in for multiple sets if it will be  :thumb:

ergo dox?
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
Post by: Rx003 on Fri, 19 February 2021, 05:02:33
Interesting sound test! I would be in if there is an option for frow set only!!! Glwic and wish you all the best for this! :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
Post by: well_cooper on Sat, 20 February 2021, 20:40:30
F-Row set is available  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
Post by: twohands on Sun, 21 February 2021, 12:17:21
Any chance there will be blanks for ergo modifiers available? I would be in for multiple sets if it will be  :thumb:

ergo dox?

Yes Ergo Dox please.
Title: Re: [IC] Besides Studio Alu Metal Keycaps set - 16 Feb Kitting update
Post by: well_cooper on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:26:40
Any chance there will be blanks for ergo modifiers available? I would be in for multiple sets if it will be  :thumb:

ergo dox?

Yes Ergo Dox please.

Haven't seen Ergo Dox request coming up in the IC so far, perhaps in the future runs we will attempt to introduce that layout