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Title: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: cruelworld on Sat, 13 November 2021, 16:30:33
cw80/60 by

(https://i.imgur.com/BKLqcAz.png)


➊ intro

This project exists as a piece of referential design and an amalgamation of features from my favorite custom keyboards (namely the OTD Koala + TGR Jane V2), condensed into my two preferred layouts. The principle aim was to merge these classic design elements with modern features and provide a level of modularity and customization to suit the end users typing preferences. This includes an individualized injection-molded gasket mount, seamless enclosure design and hidden cable routing amongst a bevy of other features.


➋ details

►Layouts:
88 (F13) - WKL, WK
87 (F12) - WKL, WK
60 - WKL, WK, HHKB
►Colors: Grey, Wine, Pink, Lilac
►Typing angle: 5°
►Materials: 6063 Anodized aluminum body, brass internal weight, stainless steel accent weight
►Mount: Proprietary injection molded gasket
►Hardware: M3, M4 Hex
►Front height: 18mm
►Unbuilt Weight: Approx 5.8lbs (TKL), 3.5lbs (60)
►PCB: Hineybush (https://hineybush.com) H88, H87, H60 + Unified Daughterboard
►Includes: Hard-case, microfiber, QR assembly guide, MDPC-X JST, 60A stock gasket + polycarbonate full plate
►Price: $490 - $605

Projected Groupbuy sale date: December 7th (TKL), December 14th (60%)


(Note: No renders are utilized, pictures are taken in varying degrees of diffused natural sunlight to give the buyer an accurate idea of production anodization.)

(https://i.imgur.com/gL93xz5.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/fAprnm3.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/EgUzfxt.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/yGq28Hr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6PrOx5S.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/iN1mDBe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tIRRJ6q.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/r2UZ9fm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R84kKJI.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/2PnVsY5.jpg)

CW80 Gallery (https://imgur.com/a/mHgAMEM)
CW60 Gallery (https://imgur.com/a/VZjdY4o)

(https://i.imgur.com/GmiuMPo.jpg)

Skunkworxxx (LE):

►Art by EURA (https://eura.love)
►Black anodization
►Matte PVD stainless steel internal weight, accent weight
►Discrete laser engraving + numbering


➌ quantities

(Note: As a Discord specific presale has taken place in mid-August, production of all boards has already begun in order to expedite the production window. The true final count of each layout are listed to the right of each available quantity. All units unaccounted for will be sold as in-stock items post fulfillment.)

Standard
88/87: 86 (500 Total)
60: 342 (500 Total)

Skunkworxxx (LE)
88/87: 32 (200 Total)
60: 62 (100 Total)


➍ typing tests



Additional typing tests:
Alexotos - JWICK (87) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dk-6oJKuaU)
YEFFY - Nixies (60) (https://streamable.com/bgr912)
Aerysten - Vintage MX Black (88) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIrVRzANH4)
Aerysten - Zykos (60) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsaAfSF127o)
xinxinwong - Black Ink (88) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx5iUOA7KSA)
Cobertt - NK Creams (88) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug8MWgK6GAU)
Relapse - Nylon JWK (80) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rKiSYck4K8)
Relapse - Zykos (60) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-_BxfJvVE4)


➎ add-ons:

(https://i.imgur.com/PfZat4K.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/eCKBCSG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dDv5fYD.jpg)

As modularity is an important part of this project, I'm offering a handful of easily swappable pieces as selected by my Discord community. All items ship inside the top pocket of the included hard-case with no additional shipping charge. Following the completion of your board purchase, add-ons will be made in a separate order and the two will be merged together for streamlined fulfillment.

Groupbuy add-ons: Polycarbonate plate (Full/Half), aluminum plate (Full/Half), brushed stainless steel bottom plate, matte carbon-fiber bottom plate, additional gaskets (60A/40A/20A), additional PCBs (https://www.cruelworld.wtf/collections/add-ons)

Post-groupbuy add-ons: Additional plate types(Fr4/POM/Polypropylene), plateless adapter, alternate weights with different engravings (EURA (https://eura.love) collaboration), fixed cable accent piece (Coaxius (https://coaxius.com) collaboration), different contrast bottom plates, wrist-rests, desk mat.


➏ production + fulfillment

All units are produced and finished by Dadesin (DDS) and fulfilled by a Shenzhen based fulfillment center in order to avoid sea freight. If COVID restrictions permit, our team will QC and SKU all components collaboratively alongside DDS to ensure a rigorous quality standard before they are packed. In the event that travel limitations have not been lifted by the end of the production window a third-party, hobby savvy control team will ensure our quality standards are met and your order arrives accurately from Shenzhen.

Production has been prepaid for the entirety of this project via a private presale and my own personal investment. As of the day of this posting (11/12) production has been under way on all non-variable components (case bottoms, weights, bottom panels) for the better half of two months. Fulfillment will be split up into multiple sequences as described below:

(Note: Despite all steps being taken to mitigate production, there's always a potential for delay as with any groupbuy.)

Sequence One: Presale units + first groupbuy orders - Mid-April/Early May
Sequence Two: Extras + In Stock following groupbuy fulfillment


➐ project log

All logs and significant updates will be posted within this format to ensure transparency:

Update No. 1 - Refinements and Revisions (August 19th, 2021) (https://imgur.com/a/x9ePkXU)
Update No. 2 - Production Photos (November 9th, 2021) (https://imgur.com/a/yXc2U0O)


➑ FAQ

Can I buy more than one board?
Yes. As the TKL and 60 groupbuys occur on differing dates, I consider these two separate purchases and allow for one TKL and one 60. For fulfillment sake I cannot combine two boards into the same shipment.

Will plate files be made public?
Yes.

Can I get _ feature/color/finishing/engravings?
Beyond what is listed you’re free to contact me for commission services, otherwise no.

What’s with your name?
This is a moniker I’ve used throughout various creative endeavors. There’s no deeper meaning.

This looks like _, this is a clone!
Call it what you want, I’m indifferent to rectangle politics.

Will there be an R2?
No. While making this has been a blast, I'm quite eager to introduce other projects I'm working on.

What happened to the polycarbonate version of this project?
As some might remember this started out some time ago as a polycarbonate project with a much simpler case design. Unhappy with my previous manufacturers QC and communication I used this opportunity to redesign this entirely to integrate a bunch of features while retaining the same case shape and mounting style. I plan on revisiting polycarbonate in the future, though no official date has been set.

Why is this expensive?
This is understandably one of the most asked questions since starting this project. From a fabrication and logistics perspective this project utilizes a generous amount of stock material, a relatively low unit count when considering there are three different models offered, complex internal machining, a very competent manufacturer, a secondary manufacturing process for the mounting style and a fulfillment process responsible for 35 different SKU variations.


♥ special thanks ♥

My awesome rep, Coaxius Cables, Hineybush, EURA, the local NYC community (it was sick meeting a lot of you), Puddsy, Grimm, Vephix, Birckenthot, hell, filledtypes, chunk, Alexotos, Relapse, YEFFY, Aerysten, liberator, yui, Cobertt, IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES, Ninjapirate, Taicho, Lau, anybody who bought an FNF unit from me and the entirety of my very awesome Discord community.

You’ve all contributed to this project in some way - be it moderation, critical feedback, community insight, motivation or just being a generally awesome person.


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socials

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»Check out our storefront here!« (https://www.cruelworld.wtf)

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To stay up to date on the most current updates, join our Discord! (https://discord.gg/Ww5Q5sePsX)

Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Signature on Mon, 15 November 2021, 14:50:27
approved
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: 1017BirckenThot on Mon, 15 November 2021, 14:54:42
Very lit  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: rolecks on Mon, 15 November 2021, 14:56:01
whew that skunkworxxx looks incredible
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: C0M9LEXM1ND on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:00:48
Been tracking these boards for a while and comparing them to other high end keyboards. Let’s just say I finally found my endgame.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: themasterphi on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:02:42
Excited to see the GB post finally up. Have been enjoying my CW80 for some time now, great feel and sound. Looking forward to purchasing additional plate options (mostly PP...  ;)).

Post is really in-depth and offers a lot of transparency! This is highly appreciated.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: The_Runz on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:07:46
It’s here! Gimme that wine CW80  :p
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: hellphyre on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:11:46
Much love for you and your projects.  Wishing you the best on the group buy.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Aerysten on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:13:03
Super exciting! These boards are extremely well made, beautiful, and a joy to type on. Top job on these really. Can’t wait. Love you dude.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:15:47
Super cool person when I was asking questions about the board. Colors are killer, might have to pick a pink board up
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: jynh on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:16:34
Great boards, great guy.

Love my CW88 so much, I bought 2.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Nyxabel on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:20:27
Good luck with the public sale CW! Can’t wait for my cw88
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: WalkinTrashCan on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:27:31
Wickle Tickle goated! GL on the GB, excited for my 60 and 88 to come in.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: aaronlau on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:28:14
This keyboard is damn good. Appreciate the things you’ve done for me, my friends and this community thus far.

Wishing you the best of luck on the public Groupbuy!

Love you homie 🖤
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Cobertt on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:31:36
Don't sleep on this one.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Shvrk on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:34:12
Been watching the  streams and have been fortunate enough to type on one that was built for a stream. Cannot wait for this board. Better than the hype for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: _IanOfEarth on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:51:05
Very excited for my CW88 unit!! Love this board already.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: SolidCactus on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:55:50
I'm loving this - fantastic work cruelworld! Hopeful to snag 88 WK  :D
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: baka jiken on Mon, 15 November 2021, 16:04:41
Can't wait! Missed presale but will not miss GB!
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: surplusofchairs on Mon, 15 November 2021, 16:06:07
wao i remember seeing the ic for the polycarbonate version of the 60%. joined your discord for pc then and saw the alu version. those colours :eek: that purple.

glad i was able to hop on the discord early sale  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Mon, 15 November 2021, 16:17:41
Relief that the price here is at least justified by using Dadesin - it definitely showed in the quality control  :))

Have a good GB  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: toxic_munkii on Mon, 15 November 2021, 16:55:38
Looks and sounds amazing - Bring on GB <3
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: city on Mon, 15 November 2021, 17:21:26
Already in for a 60 and an 80. Stoked for these. Good luck on the GB!
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: TheTriggeredPony on Mon, 15 November 2021, 17:46:50
been waiting a while for this board, will be picking up the wkl 88 in black
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 15 November 2021, 17:50:38
very good board. i have the wine color 87 proto in the pictures. glwgb
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: totalemon on Mon, 15 November 2021, 18:50:34
it's so good to see this in GB!! I've been following since the original IC and stupidly passed on the discord presale, but I think I might go in for a lilac! Either way, GLWGB and all the best <3
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Taicho on Mon, 15 November 2021, 18:55:29
Imagine not getting one of these.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: ch0i on Mon, 15 November 2021, 19:18:33
I love  :p :p :p :p ;D great work act
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: pinguha on Mon, 15 November 2021, 19:29:02
Oh man can't wait for this!
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: frostfiree on Mon, 15 November 2021, 19:53:46
Love the number of protos and photos included for this GB. Best wishes on this buy!
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 15 November 2021, 22:30:53
I just want to throw up some mad support for CW.

I participated in one of the early rounds and everything CW has done throughout this process has been above and beyond from paying for air shipping during COVID out of pocket to graciously letting me swap colors of boards after delivery (not saying that he would do this for everyone, I think he just happened to have an extra in the color that I wanted more).

Even though I have a CW88 in hand, I'm going to doing the GB for the CW60 and maybe pick up another CW88 in a different color.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: LordHaveMercy on Tue, 16 November 2021, 03:41:40
Been following this guy since his polycarb posting early last year... At the time, I was looking for some sort of HHKB-style layout keeb that wasn't necessarily mass-produced. CW's keebs were what first popped up. So, I joined his Discord... and the rest is history.

I never could have imagined how dedicated and detailed Cruel World's keyboards would turn out to be. I am ridiculously lucky to have witnessed the rebirth/rework of this project into something that likely will meet or *exceed* what Keycult and TGR produce.

I'm lucky to have grabbed a Skunkworks CW60 during the presale. And I am eager to see what comes next!

Excellent rectangles. Very good plate files. Good luck with Group Buy. ;D
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: andromache on Tue, 16 November 2021, 08:29:17
Excited for the collaboration with Eura and hoping my budget allows me to get a cw80 when the GB starts. Love these boards.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: soloplayer on Tue, 16 November 2021, 20:27:40
the best board. no doubt. no regret getting it  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: audax989 on Tue, 16 November 2021, 23:18:52
can't wait to see the other custom add ons! excited for my wine 88.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Bultiz on Thu, 18 November 2021, 13:26:58
Hotter than hot, heard the guy running this is pretty hot too.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Nonnegaard on Fri, 19 November 2021, 01:49:41
Quote from: cruelworld on Sat, 13 November 2021, 16:30:33
I’m indifferent to rectangle politics.
This has to be the biggest joke I've heard all day. Still, good luck to you with fulfillment, and good luck everyone. Boards are hot  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: cruelworld on Mon, 22 November 2021, 08:31:24
Dates adjusted slightly to account for some minor delays due to the upcoming holiday.

Appreciate all of your kind words and patience, have a great week! ♥
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Tulesto on Tue, 23 November 2021, 19:20:11
Man I said I'd grab the CW88 but I am hard leaning towards the HHKB in that beautiful red. Either way good luck with the GB, can't wait to join!
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Grandmasternoob on Wed, 24 November 2021, 04:07:18
What is the reason for this number of mounting holes?  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: cruelworld on Fri, 26 November 2021, 10:35:23
Quote from: Grandmasternoob on Wed, 24 November 2021, 04:07:18
What is the reason for this number of mounting holes?  ;)
The mounting points are similar to what you'd find on most modern Jane inspired plates, the screw points have just been replaced with gasket mounting tabs.

If you're referring to the screw holes on the back of the board, there's a set for holding the case together and a set to hold bottom plate to the bottom of the case.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: MrMar on Mon, 29 November 2021, 00:46:32
Writing this out ON my CW60 and I am very excited to see more people get their hands on these boards. I have found it nothing but lovely to use. (and the wine color is v. nice)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: nick779 on Mon, 29 November 2021, 20:46:42
This might be the first baller keyboard I get my hands on. One of the first to tick all of the boxes in a 60.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Shiono on Wed, 01 December 2021, 15:27:13
So hyped for this board! Excited for all the things you do moving forward as well.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Kokukenji on Tue, 07 December 2021, 20:50:16
Able to get on CW88. Can't wait to build it and give it a go. Thank you for the work you and your team have done.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Nurseh on Fri, 10 December 2021, 16:48:31
Got in for a CW87, keep up the good work!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 12 December 2021, 13:20:02
dumping some updates from the discord, this should cover what you need to know about other stuff:

(https://i.imgur.com/yMCeDbf.png)

(link to imgur album: https://imgur.com/a/KFAWavu (https://imgur.com/a/KFAWavu))

(https://i.imgur.com/OYjcXNr.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Tec9bsX.png)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 14 December 2021, 10:51:46
(https://i.imgur.com/hkYNpFj.png)

otherwise the 60 goes live in like 8ish hours

disclaimer that i'm not in this GB but i do own a proto of this board (the wine 87 in all the product shots), but i am friends with CW and we are working on some stuff that is unrelated to this. im just posting the discord updates because CW has been busy manually doing google form stuff 1 by 1 but has been posting good, regular updates.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Cobertt on Tue, 14 December 2021, 11:40:01
Quote from: Puddsy on Tue, 14 December 2021, 10:51:46
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hkYNpFj.png)


otherwise the 60 goes live in like 8ish hours
Puddsy the legend. Much appreciate for the assist.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 17 December 2021, 13:53:01
(https://i.imgur.com/TZDT5JK.png)

form link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd83yaCBuYtoJuYpKytUVxRI1HmA5iFMJtsoEil8Xh48jNnug/viewform
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 18 December 2021, 09:59:02
(https://i.imgur.com/24zMA1F.png)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 19 December 2021, 17:50:04
(https://i.imgur.com/RU7bpM4.png)

i will continue to post the discord updates in this thread when i notice them/when i think to do it, but i suspect the frequency of them will drop from here out. also, since i have my board already, i don't really have motivation to pay much attention to this GB beyond CW being my friend. i remind you that i am not affiliated with this GB.

i suggest you join the discord if you haven't already, and i encourage CW (or one of the many discord mods) to post the updates in this thread as well.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: cruelworld on Sun, 19 December 2021, 18:22:40
Howdy Geekhack,

Greatly appreciate Puddsy and his updating of everything in the midst of a rather hectic launch - I admittedly was not anticipating such an incredible response and found it easiest to connect to my audience via the methods they're most familiar with. Unfortunately Shopify (or most point of sale systems in my experience) is not set up for groupbuys, let alone ones with as many options as this one and much of this had to be addressed manually (over the course of a very sleepless 24 hours) to ensure accuracy. Fortunately it seems most if not at all are active in the Discord.

That said:

• Buyers purchased slots via my Shopify front with several days to update an attached google form to specify their board specifics (layout, colorway, etc). All of these invoices have been dispatched and verified by their respective buyers and the final board count has been submitted to DDS.

• Add-on components (bottom plates, gaskets, typing plates, pcbs, etc) will run until December 25th to give everyone a chance to purchase things freely. The total counts for these will be submitted immediately to their respective manufacturers as soon as this sale concludes. I will then begin the process of manually merging these two invoices to guarantee order accuracy and that each set of add-ons makes its way into their respective hard-cases during fulfillment.

• All of the original order count will be produced, I've also added a variety of units for sale as in-stock items post fulfillment.

Now we begin the (hopefully mitigated by our presale) production period - it's been awesome getting to make rectangles for you guys and I look forward to providing you with updated timelines shortly after the holidays.

Be easy and stay safe out there.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world
Post by: cruelworld on Fri, 24 December 2021, 23:02:20
Merry Christmas geekhack! Today is the last day for add-on orders! This includes extra plates, PCBs, gasket hardnesses, accent plates, etc.

• All sequencing emails have been sent.
• Custom length JST and sleeving materials en route.
• Hard-Cases + packaging paid for.
• Machining resumes post holidays.
• In addition to extras, I've paid for some more boards in more popular layouts with an additional color/weight finishing for the in-stock sale.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Sequencing posted)
Post by: cruelworld on Fri, 21 January 2022, 16:23:02
Hope everyone is doing well and staying safe. As production winds down for CNY I wanted to give you all as accurate a picture as I can provide in terms of an expected fulfillment date. Much of this has been cross-posted from my Discord server announcements:

While everything is moving along at a decent pace, we're anticipating a 1.5 - 2 month delay post Chinese New Year, placing Sequence 1 fulfillment into mid-April/early May. This is in relation to a variety of factors across multiple fabricators I use (hard cases, injection molder, case manufacturer), mostly as it relates to a boom of Omicron outbreaks throughout Guangdong where all of our production is done as well as our manufacturers ability to get production back up to speed following the holiday. I'm hoping that by the time the holiday is over these rates will level out similarly to how they have here in the states.

In no particular order here is where we're at per manufacturer:


• Case bottoms and weights are mostly finished, case tops are still being milled. I'm hoping to have pictures of everything from DDS post-holiday once they move into finishing (PVD, sandblasting.)

• Injection molding is reported to be halfway finished (starting with 40A and 20A gaskets). After 60A are finished, extra gaskets will be shipped to me for packing while the remainder will go to DDS for assembly with stock plates.

• Hard cases have finished molding and are waiting to be branded. Foam liners will be laser-cut after the holiday before being sent to DDS for packaging.

• PCB orders have been placed with Hiney with plenty of extras. Once finished, these will be held at our CN warehouse.

• Micro-fibers are finished.

• JST cables have been received by me. At time of posting I'm 1/3 of the way finished sleeving and I regret this design decision immensely. I've tested the new length in both size prototypes and they fit perfectly.

• Mylar pouches, authenticity/QR code cards and bulk bump-on feet have been received by me. Bubble zip bags for plates and backplates are finished and will be shipped to DDS post holiday.

• Stickers (Skunkworxxx and standard) have been shipped to me and should arrive next week.

• Hardware (M2, M3, M4 hex, both silver and black) has been received by DDS.

• Once the above components arrive and I finish sleeving, I'll ship packed mylar envelopes (bump-ons, cabling, stickers) to our CN warehouse for fulfillment some time within the next 1-2 weeks.


In terms of fulfillment, China and Hong Kong border entry is projected to remain closed or extremely limited into the new year with speculative re-openings as far as mid-2022 given all of the new Omicron cases. I'm presently looking at fulfilling out of different locales with lighter travel restrictions and weighing my options against using an in-country quality control team as my fulfillment center maintains warehouses throughout SEA. I'd prefer to inspect everything myself prior to shipping as my focus will always be on providing a quality product with turnaround as fast as the present-day situation will allow.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (In production, slight delay.)
Post by: cruelworld on Mon, 14 March 2022, 14:47:15
Consolidating the last few weeks of small updates for a comprehensive view of where we're at. Much of this has been cross-posted from my Discord server announcements:

As previously mentioned due to an increasingly unstable border entry situation throughout China predicted through to the next year, in-person quality control will be entirely possible at our new warehouse in Hanoi alongside some cool community members.

In no particular order here is where we're at per manufacturer:


• Remaining case components are DELAYED due to a recent outbreak within Shenzhen. A short-term stay-at-home order is in effect until further notice.

• Hiney has updated that PCBS ARE DONE and are en route to a warehouse space.

• Hard cases ARE DONE.

• Micro-fibers ARE DONE.

• JST cables ARE DONE - this sucked and took forever.

• All packaging IS DONE and is either with me or in storage.

• Stickers (Skunkworxxx and standard) ARE DONE.

• Hardware (M2, M3, M4 hex, both silver and black) has been received by DDS.


With everything else finished on time hopefully delays can be kept to a minimum, I will keep everybody as updated as possible as the situation in Shenzhen progresses.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: granola bar enthusiast on Mon, 14 March 2022, 21:45:20
wkl 60's are by far my fav layout
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 02 May 2022, 09:48:19
(https://i.imgur.com/OQBIjHP.png)

from 4/20/2022
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 07 July 2022, 10:59:11
Wonder how was that flight at the end of July.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 12 July 2022, 13:44:37
https://www.cruelworld.wtf/blogs/cw80-60/email-update-07-12-22

and sign up for the mailing list if you aren't already

https://www.cruelworld.wtf/pages/email-update

i believe this email went out to people who ordered already (mine is a proto so i'm technically not in this gb) but just in case people are checking here
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: audax989 on Wed, 13 July 2022, 17:40:41
Quote from: Puddsy on Tue, 12 July 2022, 13:44:37
https://www.cruelworld.wtf/blogs/cw80-60/email-update-07-12-22

and sign up for the mailing list if you aren't already

https://www.cruelworld.wtf/pages/email-update

i believe this email went out to people who ordered already (mine is a proto so i'm technically not in this gb) but just in case people are checking here

thanks puddsy. I did receive that chunky email update. we are almost there.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 14 July 2022, 19:54:19
thanks again to puddsy for updating everybody in my absence - admittedly have to get better about communicating updates on here amid all the chaos of getting settled here in VT. As he's already correctly stated:

Email updates and the most recent email sent to all buyers can be found here:

https://www.cruelworld.wtf/blogs/cw80-60/email-update-07-12-22

Extras pricing, quantities and a concise list of updates can be found here:

https://www.cruelworld.wtf/pages/project-status

With components presently in transit and a warehouse here I'll be doing as much preemptive work as I can to streamline getting groupbuy units out as quickly as possible once received.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: cruelworld on Sat, 03 September 2022, 16:35:13
Newest Email Update sent to all buyers reposted here. This elaborates on some reanodizing and refinishing being the root cause for a delay that's pushing fulfillment back to mid-November:

https://www.cruelworld.wtf/blogs/cw80-60/email-update-07-12-23
Pictures from DDS showing all units moving into finishing back in July have been added to the production album:


https://imgur.com/a/yXc2U0O

Screens of correspondence with my manu rep to verify updates.
https://imgur.com/a/kP0RsgD

I've otherwise set up our VT based warehouse and have processed and SKU'd all components aside from enclosures. Next update will feature finished anodizing and boards being prepared for export. Per Discord updates I'll be staying here until the groupbuys completion to supervise quality control and shipping.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 16 November 2022, 12:07:27
Well, it's mid-November now.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 16 November 2022, 15:29:48
Quote from: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 16 November 2022, 12:07:27
Well, it's mid-November now.

from discord november 14:

Quote
CW80/60 GROUPBUY UNITS ARE IN THE FINAL WEEK OF ASSEMBLY AND PACKING. I HAVE BEEN ADVISED THIS WILL TAKE 1.5 WEEKS. I WILL BE LEAVING THE 20TH TO OVERSEE THE FOLLOWING PROCESS IN PERSON:

• Exporting + Shipping to QC warehouse (6-8 Days in transit)
• Individual SKU + QC Process (1-1.5 Weeks Estimate per fulfillment)
• Shipping to pick & pack center, distribution of GB units. (3-4 Days per fulfillment)
• Taeha + Alexotos streams
• Extras
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 15 December 2022, 22:29:12
It's been almost a month.
Let's check that timeline:

Nov 14, from Discord:
Quote
CW80/60 GROUPBUY UNITS ARE IN THE FINAL WEEK OF ASSEMBLY AND PACKING. I HAVE BEEN ADVISED THIS WILL TAKE 1.5 WEEKS. I WILL BE LEAVING THE 20TH TO OVERSEE THE FOLLOWING PROCESS IN PERSON:

• Exporting + Shipping to QC warehouse (6-8 Days in transit)
• Individual SKU + QC Process (1-1.5 Weeks Estimate per fulfillment)
• Shipping to pick & pack center, distribution of GB units. (3-4 Days per fulfillment)
• Taeha + Alexotos streams
• Extras

IDK what "per fulfillment" as a unit is: is it a colorway, a TKL/60% or combined. In the previous update fulfillment has been regarded as a "process". Is it a "sequence" (that's been cancelled)? No idea.

Anyways, combining all these terms (Final week of assembly and packing that will take 1.5 weeks+6-8 days in transit for Export and Shipping to QC WH + 1.5 weeks for SKU+QC + 3-4 days for distribution) would give us roughly month from 14th of November which is, well, today.

So, if no further delays have been communicated, we might have expected first "fulfillments" to show up at least as tracking numbers. No further delays have been communicated here, so where are the units?
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (Production Update)
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 15 December 2022, 23:54:46
Hey there!

My apologies for missing an update here, I've been otherwise very adamant about communication via Discord/email newsletter and occasionally forget to post here as I am not a regular Geekhack user. Attached is the most recent update regarding a few small delays and an update from DDS marking the end of production and assembly, boards are being packed for shipping and on their way to me for quality control and the last of product SKUing.

Quote
Due to an error in communication all LE boards were assembled with silver hardware as opposed to the black hex hardware originally requested. I’ve had DDS reassemble these with the correct screws introducing a slight delay that’s expected to be entirely resolved on Monday - Tuesday. The rest of the boards are boxed for shipping while plates and bottom plates are being placed into windowed resealable mylar sleeves so that they can be identified quickly during SKU’ing. I have been given an estimate of 1 week until the entirety of the shipment is passed off to a forwarding agent to arrive to me.

Pictures of anodizations and misc packaging have been uploaded to the production gallery below. Please keep in mind that these are factory photos that are typically not color accurate due to aggressive factory lighting.

Associated album featuring boards coming out of anodization and into assembly posted here - originally posted on December 11th.]Associated album featuring boards coming out of anodization and into assembly posted here - originally posted on December 11th. (https://imgur.com/a/yXc2U0O)

I hope you can understand that these are all estimates that I work within and they fluctuate based on the information I am given from my manufacturer and forwarding rep. In the future I'll be sure to stay on top of posting here regularly.

Cheers and happy holidays.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (QC 100% FINISHED, PACKAGING TO START SHORTLY)
Post by: cruelworld on Tue, 21 February 2023, 10:05:00
QC 100% finished, awaiting confirmation from our fulfillment provider for pickup and hoping to get packaging started asap. Will post when I have an updated timetable from them.

If you need an address change feel free to fill out this form: https://forms.gle/STMoV1NcuMBTUBe58
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (SHIPPING)
Post by: cruelworld on Thu, 30 March 2023, 14:21:35
After many delays we are finally shipping. Tracking has been updated for over half of the GB and packaging has started, hoping to have groupbuy boards shipped in their entirety within the next week.

Extras and a few B stock will be going up on Saturday, April 1st at 12PM EST. I'll be holding onto a handful of boards for any shipping incidentals that'll be listed later in the month as well. B stock units consist of slight mismatch and small blemishes: https://imgur.com/a/D3LM1mD (https://imgur.com/a/D3LM1mD)

Thanks to everyone and their continued patience, excited to get these out to you and start on the next project  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: cruelworld on Tue, 18 April 2023, 21:18:39
70% shipped. Awaiting pickup on international orders and catching up on a few US domestic boards that didn't make it on the first two pickups.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: rolecks on Sun, 23 April 2023, 09:06:06
Boards received thanks for the run CW. Been a long road due to outside circumstances but there was good communication throughout the way.

Hope to see some of these at upcoming meetups.

(https://i.imgur.com/6C19K1P.jpeg)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 23 April 2023, 20:09:08
Damn, I knew I should have gotten that bordeaux on extras.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: involuntarysoul on Tue, 25 April 2023, 19:57:03
Quote from: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 23 April 2023, 20:09:08
Damn, I knew I should have gotten that bordeaux on extras.

it is flooding the mm atm, you can prob find one under GB price
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: honoka on Sat, 29 April 2023, 04:46:59
why the fudge is the cutout for the board in the carry case so small? was that the reason why the cloth wasn't around the actual board during shipping and got all kinds of foam residue lodged in all the chamfers?
it's annoying dude
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: hidehide on Mon, 01 May 2023, 07:44:07
I regret I missed out the GB and extra. I read you are holding a handful of boards just in case. Will there be another round of extra in the coming weeks? Thanks! 🙏🏻
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: airs on Tue, 09 May 2023, 16:25:31
Thinking about getting an ApolloH 88 pcb for my CW88 - other than needing to solder on the JST header, anyone know if there would be an issue with using it?

https://divinikey.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/geon-apolloh-hotswap-pcb
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: incrediblejr on Tue, 16 May 2023, 07:01:26
The CW60 GB has now concluded the first part of its journey for me personally, almost a year delayed to date, as my second CW60 arrived yesterday. I held out hope that my second CW60 would be any different than my first CW60, but unfortunately, it was not.

The CW60 design appears fundamentally flawed, even after 4 prototypes. The JST cutout in the bottom case is too small to house the PCB's JST connector with cable and is resting on the floor, acting as a tray mount post.

Here (https://imgur.com/a/vBSewGH) is some pictures with measurements I took from my two units.

Here (https://imgur.com/a/pl9B6j8) is even more pictures and videos from the Reddit link below.

This has been reported and acknowledged in the Reddit thread PSA: CruelWorld 60 has unexcusable design flaws (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/13e0q7u/psa_cruelworld_60_has_unexcusable_design_flaws/) thread 6 days ago.

The GB runner has offered temporary solutions, working towards a permanent solution while they investigate the extent of the problem. A Google Form, only available through their Discord (https://discord.gg/ZY3frys), is set up for us GB participants to report that they are affected.

While I do appreciate that this issue is being taken seriously and addressed, I find the approach somewhat lacking. The problem has been known for over 12 days now, and shipments should have been halted for an immediate check on the extent and validity of the claims. In the process, it would be prudent to examine the TKL files and conduct control measurements on the produced boards to ensure other SKUs are not impacted. I for one asked for my second CW60 not to be sent as this is clearly not a tolerance issue.

Identifying the cause should be a matter of minutes. Open Fusion 360, measure the cutout, and if it's less than 7.1mm (a generous estimate), the design is fundamentally flawed and all units are affected. Both my two cases' cutouts measure ~6.05mm, and they're supposed to accommodate a 7mm JST connector and cable. This cutout should not be anywhere near 6mm (which coincidentally is the width of the JST connector component on the PCB). Not on prototype 1, 2, 3, 4, or let alone the GB run.

Moreover, there appears to be another design flaw in the CW60 that's masked by the small cutout: the reset button is too close to the bottom. This claim is backed by those who desoldered their JST connectors and soldered the wires directly onto the PCB, reporting that the reset button now hits the bottom case, necessitating its desoldering as well. Back-of-the-envelope math suggests that it is highly plausible. This suggests that this issue has been overlooked in all four prototypes prior to the Group Buy.

As if this was not enough, here is an incomplete list of other design or fulfillment issues that have been reported, ranging in severity:

If you are a GB participant, I highly suggest you join Cruel World Discord (https://discord.gg/ZY3frys) to stay up-to-date with all the latest developments while we complete the last part of this journey.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Evasive on Tue, 16 May 2023, 09:00:34
Quote from: incrediblejr on Tue, 16 May 2023, 07:01:26
The CW60 GB has now concluded the first part of its journey for me personally, almost a year delayed to date, as my second CW60 arrived yesterday. I held out hope that my second CW60 would be any different than my first CW60, but unfortunately, it was not.

The CW60 design appears fundamentally flawed, even after 4 prototypes. The JST cutout in the bottom case is too small to house the PCB's JST connector with cable and is resting on the floor, acting as a tray mount post.

Here (https://imgur.com/a/vBSewGH) is some pictures with measurements I took from my two units.

Here (https://imgur.com/a/pl9B6j8) is even more pictures and videos from the Reddit link below.

This has been reported and acknowledged in the Reddit thread PSA: CruelWorld 60 has unexcusable design flaws (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/13e0q7u/psa_cruelworld_60_has_unexcusable_design_flaws/) thread 6 days ago.

The GB runner has offered temporary solutions, working towards a permanent solution while they investigate the extent of the problem. A Google Form, only available through their Discord (https://discord.gg/ZY3frys), is set up for us GB participants to report that they are affected.

While I do appreciate that this issue is being taken seriously and addressed, I find the approach somewhat lacking. The problem has been known for over 12 days now, and shipments should have been halted for an immediate check on the extent and validity of the claims. In the process, it would be prudent to examine the TKL files and conduct control measurements on the produced boards to ensure other SKUs are not impacted. I for one asked for my second CW60 not to be sent as this is clearly not a tolerance issue.

Identifying the cause should be a matter of minutes. Open Fusion 360, measure the cutout, and if it's less than 7.1mm (a generous estimate), the design is fundamentally flawed and all units are affected. Both my two cases' cutouts measure ~6.05mm, and they're supposed to accommodate a 7mm JST connector and cable. This cutout should not be anywhere near 6mm (which coincidentally is the width of the JST connector component on the PCB). Not on prototype 1, 2, 3, 4, or let alone the GB run.

Moreover, there appears to be another design flaw in the CW60 that's masked by the small cutout: the reset button is too close to the bottom. This claim is backed by those who desoldered their JST connectors and soldered the wires directly onto the PCB, reporting that the reset button now hits the bottom case, necessitating its desoldering as well. Back-of-the-envelope math suggests that it is highly plausible. This suggests that this issue has been overlooked in all four prototypes prior to the Group Buy.

As if this was not enough, here is an incomplete list of other design or fulfillment issues that have been reported, ranging in severity:
  • USB port misaligned
  • JST cutout on the TKL I argue is misaligned, the connector has in the lower 0.x mm clearance to the bottom case (i.e. it will hit the bottom case when typing).
  • Carrying case too small to house the keyboard wrapped in fiber cloth, which is neatly folded on top of the keyboard. While this may seem like a minor issue, I can only imagine the amount of hours that have been spent cleaning the keyboards from case foam and worrying about ano flaws. I estimate I have spent easily 1h between my two keyboards.
  • Missing engravings on the Skunkworxxx editions
  • 12 months delayed fulfillment
  • No MDPC-X JST cable
  • Missing components, mine was missing bump-ons
  • Shipping by UPS rather than DHL which was what we paid for at the start of the GB. May not be such a big deal for some countries where UPS is actually competent.

If you are a GB participant, I highly suggest you join Cruel World Discord (https://discord.gg/ZY3frys) to stay up-to-date with all the latest developments while we complete the last part of this journey.


One of the reasons I joined this GB was the self proclaimed 4 months delivery date and all of his yes-men shilling his product on discord. If I remember correctly I believed he said that he finished sleeving all the jst cables. I can't be for sure anymore since the discord channel is now gone but mine did not come sleeved. Seems like just another thing to add to the list of broken promises. It's unfortunate that the board ended up with as many flaws as you stated. As his first public group buy he definitely took on more than he can chew.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: airs on Wed, 17 May 2023, 16:36:35
Quote from: airs on Tue, 09 May 2023, 16:25:31
Thinking about getting an ApolloH 88 pcb for my CW88 - other than needing to solder on the JST header, anyone know if there would be an issue with using it?

https://divinikey.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/geon-apolloh-hotswap-pcb

In case anyone else is wondering about this pcb, I went for it and it works. The JST header does interfere with the flex of the board though (it touches the bottom of the case without putting any pressure on it), so I just soldered the wires to the through holes.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: DaaDaa on Wed, 17 May 2023, 17:41:14
Quote from: Evasive on Tue, 16 May 2023, 09:00:34
Quote from: incrediblejr on Tue, 16 May 2023, 07:01:26
The CW60 GB has now concluded the first part of its journey for me personally, almost a year delayed to date, as my second CW60 arrived yesterday. I held out hope that my second CW60 would be any different than my first CW60, but unfortunately, it was not.

The CW60 design appears fundamentally flawed, even after 4 prototypes. The JST cutout in the bottom case is too small to house the PCB's JST connector with cable and is resting on the floor, acting as a tray mount post.

Here (https://imgur.com/a/vBSewGH) is some pictures with measurements I took from my two units.

Here (https://imgur.com/a/pl9B6j8) is even more pictures and videos from the Reddit link below.

This has been reported and acknowledged in the Reddit thread PSA: CruelWorld 60 has unexcusable design flaws (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/13e0q7u/psa_cruelworld_60_has_unexcusable_design_flaws/) thread 6 days ago.

The GB runner has offered temporary solutions, working towards a permanent solution while they investigate the extent of the problem. A Google Form, only available through their Discord (https://discord.gg/ZY3frys), is set up for us GB participants to report that they are affected.

While I do appreciate that this issue is being taken seriously and addressed, I find the approach somewhat lacking. The problem has been known for over 12 days now, and shipments should have been halted for an immediate check on the extent and validity of the claims. In the process, it would be prudent to examine the TKL files and conduct control measurements on the produced boards to ensure other SKUs are not impacted. I for one asked for my second CW60 not to be sent as this is clearly not a tolerance issue.

Identifying the cause should be a matter of minutes. Open Fusion 360, measure the cutout, and if it's less than 7.1mm (a generous estimate), the design is fundamentally flawed and all units are affected. Both my two cases' cutouts measure ~6.05mm, and they're supposed to accommodate a 7mm JST connector and cable. This cutout should not be anywhere near 6mm (which coincidentally is the width of the JST connector component on the PCB). Not on prototype 1, 2, 3, 4, or let alone the GB run.

Moreover, there appears to be another design flaw in the CW60 that's masked by the small cutout: the reset button is too close to the bottom. This claim is backed by those who desoldered their JST connectors and soldered the wires directly onto the PCB, reporting that the reset button now hits the bottom case, necessitating its desoldering as well. Back-of-the-envelope math suggests that it is highly plausible. This suggests that this issue has been overlooked in all four prototypes prior to the Group Buy.

As if this was not enough, here is an incomplete list of other design or fulfillment issues that have been reported, ranging in severity:
  • USB port misaligned
  • JST cutout on the TKL I argue is misaligned, the connector has in the lower 0.x mm clearance to the bottom case (i.e. it will hit the bottom case when typing).
  • Carrying case too small to house the keyboard wrapped in fiber cloth, which is neatly folded on top of the keyboard. While this may seem like a minor issue, I can only imagine the amount of hours that have been spent cleaning the keyboards from case foam and worrying about ano flaws. I estimate I have spent easily 1h between my two keyboards.
  • Missing engravings on the Skunkworxxx editions
  • 12 months delayed fulfillment
  • No MDPC-X JST cable
  • Missing components, mine was missing bump-ons
  • Shipping by UPS rather than DHL which was what we paid for at the start of the GB. May not be such a big deal for some countries where UPS is actually competent.

If you are a GB participant, I highly suggest you join Cruel World Discord (https://discord.gg/ZY3frys) to stay up-to-date with all the latest developments while we complete the last part of this journey.


One of the reasons I joined this GB was the self proclaimed 4 months delivery date and all of his yes-men shilling his product on discord. If I remember correctly I believed he said that he finished sleeving all the jst cables. I can't be for sure anymore since the discord channel is now gone but mine did not come sleeved. Seems like just another thing to add to the list of broken promises. It's unfortunate that the board ended up with as many flaws as you stated. As his first public group buy he definitely took on more than he can chew.

one time , i said i dont like the look of the design and he removed me from the discord. lol. you can imagine how much i love this. lol. the guy himself is ok, his fans are the real losers.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: xclr8 on Sun, 21 May 2023, 00:45:32
Quote from: Evasive on Tue, 16 May 2023, 09:00:34
One of the reasons I joined this GB was the self proclaimed 4 months delivery date and all of his yes-men shilling his product on discord. If I remember correctly I believed he said that he finished sleeving all the jst cables. I can't be for sure anymore since the discord channel is now gone but mine did not come sleeved. Seems like just another thing to add to the list of broken promises. It's unfortunate that the board ended up with as many flaws as you stated. As his first public group buy he definitely took on more than he can chew.

I'm fairly new to this hobby and was bummed for missing out on this board but after seeing what a debacle this has become, I'm definitely glad I missed it. I mean, 1300 units for his very first GB is outrageous.

Looks like Pixy is out of the running for me now. There's just way too many better options out there.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Apothecarii on Mon, 22 May 2023, 12:26:50
What engraving was missing from the Skunkworxxx edition?
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 22 May 2023, 14:59:49
Numbering I believe. What "discrete laser engraving" was going to be is unknown.
Maybe just too discrete to be visible, but I don't care. Numbering is just for ego.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Rhienfo on Mon, 22 May 2023, 18:38:57
Quote from: xclr8 on Sun, 21 May 2023, 00:45:32
Quote from: Evasive on Tue, 16 May 2023, 09:00:34
One of the reasons I joined this GB was the self proclaimed 4 months delivery date and all of his yes-men shilling his product on discord. If I remember correctly I believed he said that he finished sleeving all the jst cables. I can't be for sure anymore since the discord channel is now gone but mine did not come sleeved. Seems like just another thing to add to the list of broken promises. It's unfortunate that the board ended up with as many flaws as you stated. As his first public group buy he definitely took on more than he can chew.

I'm fairly new to this hobby and was bummed for missing out on this board but after seeing what a debacle this has become, I'm definitely glad I missed it. I mean, 1300 units for his very first GB is outrageous.

Looks like Pixy is out of the running for me now. There's just way too many better options out there.

1300 units for a first keyboard gb is insane. If I ever do a group buy it will be maybe 50 units, having a basically unlimited group buy for your first is a terrible idea without a large company backing it, and even Monokei, a large company in the grand scheme of the hobby, don't even do 1300 in the time period they claimed.

I understand that this project was probably made in order to make a nice keyboard, but it comes across as a cash grab hype project (especially with the gb being released near Christmas, though that's probably a coincidence), to bank of the hype of the Jane V2 (keep in mind this was when ME units weren't being released yet) which is just a shame cause it probably would have been good if it wasn't for the errors, and while I am patient, it must have stung for the people who bought into it, not knowing that they project would be delayed again and again.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: incrediblejr on Mon, 26 June 2023, 11:40:39
Almost two months have passed since the JST connector clearance issue was first brought to the attention of the group buy runner. Since then, they've done nothing more than launch what appears to be a sham investigation to identify the cause and assess the number of affected customers. The only communication we've received are statements about how hard they're working, while they trivialize, or entirely neglect to mention, all other issues plaguing the GB.

The sole explanation they've provided is "an issue of alignment from an injection molded part and how it interfaces with the plate coupled with the 'wings' on the male end of the JST connector" (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/13e0q7u/comment/jjnsu0x/). But let's burst this bubble right here because this explanation isn't remotely plausible. The JST male header has always measured around ~7mm wide, while we're dealing with a ~6mm cutout in the bottom case. It's quite a stretch to believe that somehow the gaskets could have any part in the too small JST cutout in the bottom case for the CW60 and misaligned JST cutout of CW87/CW88. The plate placement is constrained; it can't be moved haphazardly without the keycaps interfering with the case. So, what's with these charades?

Their decision to make the PCB replacement an opt-in process, accessible only through a Google Form shared on their Discord, comes across as disingenuous, given that it's clear all keyboards are affected.

Six weeks ago they announced that new PCBs "should be prototyping ready within the next few days", radio silence ever since. The lack of updates and the passage of time - should we take these as indicators of the outcome?
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: airs on Mon, 26 June 2023, 15:37:42
I replaced the JST header with a Molex EZmate connector, then used a Geon EZmate to JST cable - it works well and doesn't bottom out. Not ideal, I know, but it's a solution for people who are up for it.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: SafeAtShore on Thu, 29 June 2023, 17:21:45
CW said at the start of fulfillment that GB participants would be reimbursed for the difference in shipping compared to extras. Hasn't said a single thing since. I'm also still waiting on a replacement alu plate, because mine came bent. Way to shaft GB participants after 1.5+ years.

Yet another sh*thole of a GB that's beyond scuffed. This, Mechs & Co, Charue, Keycult, Aeternus, The Royal, the list goes on.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: yhs on Sat, 01 July 2023, 05:40:57
I finally got around to assembling my CW60 LE yesterday. Aside from not seeing any “special engraving” and not having received bumpons, initial impression is good.

I’ve been AWOL and missed the option to purchase extra plates/weights. Anyone know if this will be possible at later time?
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Rhienfo on Sat, 01 July 2023, 08:40:03
Quote from: yhs on Sat, 01 July 2023, 05:40:57
I finally got around to assembling my CW60 LE yesterday. Aside from not seeing any “special engraving” and not having received bumpons, initial impression is good.

I’ve been AWOL and missed the option to purchase extra plates/weights. Anyone know if this will be possible at later time?

I don't know about the weights but the plate files are on their discord server so you can get a plate cut if you want to. However it will probably be cheaper to find the plates aftermarket, so just pick the best option for you.

Someone may sell a third party weight for this but I'd seriously doubt it, idk if they even sold extra weights (someone correct me if they did I didn't really know too much about this until the units shipped)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: incrediblejr on Mon, 03 July 2023, 01:01:45
It has been 7 weeks since any form of communication regarding the promised DB shims to fix the misaligned DB, as well as the new DB and PCBs to address the fundamentally flawed (https://imgur.com/a/pl9B6j8) keyboard design (https://imgur.com/a/vBSewGH) that is affecting all units.

Pixy TKL when? (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/13e0q7u/comment/jqdn6bd/)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: a_saker on Tue, 04 July 2023, 13:48:45
Quote from: airs on Mon, 26 June 2023, 15:37:42
I replaced the JST header with a Molex EZmate connector, then used a Geon EZmate to JST cable - it works well and doesn't bottom out. Not ideal, I know, but it's a solution for people who are up for it.

oooo, this is in interesting fix. Do you have pictures of the end result by any chance?
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: incrediblejr on Sun, 09 July 2023, 11:32:10
An update has been posted on the Cruel World Discord.

TL;DR: They are working hard and are very busy, so they can't be bothered to update the geekhack thread. The prototype for replacement PCBs is supposedly on the way, but it's 8 weeks delayed from the initial estimate, which is on brand. DB Shims, for the misaligned USB port, are also on their way. They also showcased their new project and a render of the PCB. :thumb:

They refuse to acknowledge that all units are fundamentally flawed (spoiler alert: they are) and seem to stick with their implausible explanation that gasket tolerances caused the JST cutout in the bottom case to be too small and misaligned. That is the best option for them financially, with the added bonus of saving face for themselves, the FnF/prototype testers, and streamers off production units ;) by virtue of plausible deniability (*). Unfortunately, that shifts the burden of getting replacement PCBs onto all the individual group buy participants. So, if you are a group buy participant, please fill in this opt-in Google form for replacement PCBs if you haven't already. (https://forms.gle/FoA2NXHtwpfEYfyCA)

(*) Cobertt showed their FnF unit with the promised custom MDPC-X JST cable (https://imgur.com/a/3aS9dHc) that may not have a ~6mm JST cutout to house the ~7mm connector and cable (https://imgur.com/a/vBSewGH) that is plaguing the GB units.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Cobertt on Tue, 11 July 2023, 07:32:55
Quote from: incrediblejr on Sun, 09 July 2023, 11:32:10
That is the best option for them financially, with the added bonus of saving face for themselves, the FnF/prototype testers, and streamers by virtue of plausible deniability.

I get that you are extremely frustrated and pissed. You have every right to be. The FnF and Prototype units were not plagued with this problem, so you should leave those people out of this. If you want to make wild accusations with no basis, fine. But speaking as someone with a FnF unit and the single prototype Skunkworks HHKB, I can assure you that there are no JST tolerance issues or daughter board tolerance issues. Can take photos when I get a chance to prove it. It's extremely childish to drag people who supported the product when we received units that do not have this flaw. The two prototypes that I built did not exhibit any tolerance issues with the JST cutout.

It's fine to be mad at CruelWorld, but don't be mad at the people who wanted other people to get the same chance they did in purchasing the great keyboard they did. I'm sorry that there were flaws in the production run, how would anyone that received a FnF unit or prototype to build know that there would be an issue in main production. That's an unfair judgement to cast on them.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: honoka on Tue, 11 July 2023, 07:38:27
I'm super looking forward to those pictures of your board.

You seem to be friends with CruelWorld. What is your take of what happened? Design file mistake? Because we have gotten no explanation of what the reason for this mess is.

I will tag and remind you to post pictures if you happen to forget.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Cobertt on Tue, 11 July 2023, 07:49:20
Quote from: honoka on Tue, 11 July 2023, 07:38:27
I'm super looking forward to those pictures of your board.

You seem to be friends with CruelWorld. What is your take of what happened? Design file mistake? Because we have gotten no explanation of what the reason for this mess is.

I will tag and remind you to post pictures if you happen to forget.

I met CruelWorld through a mutual friend. I was asked to build an early prototype tkl unit and give feedback, which I did for no monetary benefit, other than stream the build process. We've remained in contact and yes, are friends.

It wouldn't be right for me to comment on what I thought the issue is, because I don't know. I didn't purchase a production run unit due to already purchasing one prototype and a FnF unit. I have both a 60 and an 88 for reference. The 60 is a prototype and the 88 is a FnF unit. I built multiple FnF units and all were the same as mine. Good tolerances. It could be a production error, or it could be a file error. I really don't know. So for that, my word means nothing. When I advertised this keyboard and recommended it, it was off the basis of my own boards that were in my hand. Which for all purposes are extremely well made keyboards. My FnF unit has one known issue, that was disclosed to all FnF buyers. It's USB-C port has very tight tolerances so not all off the shelf cables will work with it. Mentioning only for transparency's sake. This was corrected for production units. Once I am home from work I'll snap some photos of the jst cutout and usb-c port.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: soloplayer on Tue, 11 July 2023, 10:29:39
does anyone know the black, red and clear gasket socks equivalent to ? iirc the clear one is 60A, but the others i have no idea
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Cobertt on Tue, 11 July 2023, 23:34:13
Quote from: honoka on Tue, 11 July 2023, 07:38:27
I'm super looking forward to those pictures of your board.

You seem to be friends with CruelWorld. What is your take of what happened? Design file mistake? Because we have gotten no explanation of what the reason for this mess is.

I will tag and remind you to post pictures if you happen to forget.

Here is the Imgur album I made. https://imgur.com/a/3aS9dHc The 88 has tighter tolerances than the Proto60, however I am still able to achieve movement in the gaskets over the JST area. I am on the half aluminum plate on my 88, so it is stiffer in general in the navigation section due to the lack of cutouts in the aluminum plate. As you can see in the prototype, there is ample room to allow the pcb to flex. I have a polycarbonate plate in my 60 and have full flexibility when pressing down on it.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: honoka on Tue, 11 July 2023, 23:56:33
Appreciate the follow through on the pictures! I don't have a CW87/88 myself so I can't attest to any issues the group buy variant might have.
I do have a CW60 though and I would love to be able to compare the jst cutout placement/size with yours.
Even only the back of the board with the cover for the cable compartment removed would be of great help.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: incrediblejr on Wed, 12 July 2023, 01:39:46
Quote from: Cobertt on Tue, 11 July 2023, 23:34:13
Here is the Imgur album I made. https://imgur.com/a/3aS9dHc The 88 has tighter tolerances than the Proto60, however I am still able to achieve movement in the gaskets over the JST area. I am on the half aluminum plate on my 88, so it is stiffer in general in the navigation section due to the lack of cutouts in the aluminum plate. As you can see in the prototype, there is ample room to allow the pcb to flex. I have a polycarbonate plate in my 60 and have full flexibility when pressing down on it.

Nice of you to join the conversation, I have updated my post. The JST cutout sure looks different, or maybe we get fooled by the promised custom MDPC-X JST cable that you are sporting. I thought I gave the blueprint of how to document the flaw. (https://imgur.com/a/vBSewGH)
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Cobertt on Wed, 12 July 2023, 07:54:01
Quote from: incrediblejr on Wed, 12 July 2023, 01:39:46
Nice of you to join the conversation, I have updated my post. The JST cutout sure looks different, or maybe we get fooled by the promised custom MDPC-X JST cable that you are sporting. I thought I gave the blueprint of how to document the flaw. (https://imgur.com/a/vBSewGH)

I don't have a pair of calipers unfortunately so I won't be able to accurately measure, but you can clearly see the entirety of the JST connector and plug through the cutout. I have no comment for the MDPC-X JST cable, as that information was not something that I was privy too. I just wanted to make it clear that people that supported the project who purchased FnF units were not part of some elaborate scheme. We genuinely got an excellent keyboard, one that we wanted other people to have the chance to experience and use.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: incrediblejr on Thu, 13 July 2023, 03:07:43
TL;DR: All CW60 production/GB units are fundamentally flawed, while FnF boards show significant differences and appear to be free from the same issue(s). If you are a group buy participant please fill in this opt-in Google form for replacement PCBs if you haven't already. (https://forms.gle/FoA2NXHtwpfEYfyCA)

I'm glad Cobertt joined the conversation and shared their FnF board with us. It is evident that the FnF unit and the production unit differ in several ways. (https://imgur.com/a/ea8Scec) The size of the JST cutout, the anchoring of the weight, and the width of the JST channel all vary. And this is just based on one image! Who knows what other modifications have been made leading up to the production run? Could the PCB clearance have been lowered or a different PCB used for the production run? As those of us who have "fixed" the PCB have noticed that the reset button hits the bottom case, necessitating its desoldering as well. Maybe the reset button on FnF PCB is absent/different, or perhaps all FnF participants are light typists. For all intents and purposes, the FnF board could be considered a distinct board with similar aesthetics.

From the FnF board, we can see that the elusive MDPC-X JST cable could benefit from a little extra space, and the JST channel was probably widened for the production run to better accommodate it. However, in doing so, the JST cutout in the bottomcase was misaligned and made too small. How this was missed in the subsequent prototype(s) and testing of the production units is beyond me.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: a_saker on Thu, 13 July 2023, 11:40:04
Quote from: incrediblejr on Thu, 13 July 2023, 03:07:43
TL;DR: All production/GB units are fundamentally flawed, while FnF boards show significant differences and appear to be free from the same issue(s)...

Is it all production units or just the CW60 SKUs? I have no issues or have not noticed any with multiple builds on my extras CW88
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: Rhienfo on Thu, 13 July 2023, 18:12:11
Quote from: incrediblejr on Thu, 13 July 2023, 03:07:43
TL;DR: All production/GB units are fundamentally flawed, while FnF boards show significant differences and appear to be free from the same issue(s).

I don't think it's all boards because there wasn't any issues with some boards, however it was a decent chunk of the boards it seems. This makes me believe that it was a production error on one/several batches of the boards, which says a lot about the qc because the problem would be noticed by putting the pcb in the case, though I am speculating there.

Quote from: a_saker on Thu, 13 July 2023, 11:40:04
Is it all production units or just the CW60 SKUs? I have no issues or have not noticed any with multiple builds on my extras CW88

It was both types of units that had these problems, and there even SKUs that weren't even engraved apparently.
Title: Re: [GB] cw80/60 by cruel world (70% SHIPPED)
Post by: incrediblejr on Fri, 14 July 2023, 03:08:10
Quote from: a_saker on Thu, 13 July 2023, 11:40:04
Is it all production units or just the CW60 SKUs? I have no issues or have not noticed any with multiple builds on my extras CW88

Assumed too much context, updated wording.

The CW87/88 JST cutout (https://i.imgur.com/DTkZ4KO.jpeg) sure does rival the mess of CW60 (https://i.imgur.com/TKMKu7D.jpeg) and friends/others (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/13e0q7u/comment/jjnjhc4) have reported that the JST connector hits the bottomcase. It's not like there is different types of production units but rather that some notice it and some don't. I haven't had a CW87/88 at hand to try and inspect personally so I can not comment further.