I love this, and it will be an instabuy from me. I have a request though. Although the renders are really nice, I would appreciate if you just made some simple renders that more clearly show all the board's details. Please?
Why no price? seems like this should be known already if there has already been a china only gb.The main reason behind is there are several factors need to be reconsider when announcing the price. since there will be vendor charges and shipping charges occured. we dont want to announce it too early then fail to meet the price.
No wonder something seemed off about this keyboard designer... They work with Keysponssory aka CMM.
I took a look at your Discord and it seems you guys were also late on Haven65. Interesting how people keep giving Freather money after the disastrous Fuji65 and Saka65 GBs.
For anyone unfamiliar, Freather and CMM ran two GBs back to back with an ETA of less than half a year. It took them almost 2 years to deliver those boards. Similarly with the Haven65, the GB was from 9/22-10/22 with an ETA of 5-6 months. They claim that they already shipped the cases to vendors in May of 2023 (7 months later). Assuming they did the same thing and shipped by sea (like they did with Saka and Fuji), it'll be several more months before GB joiners get their keyboards, putting the actual time line to almost 1 year.
Oh and let me also talk about the QC Freather and CMM had with Fuji's and Sakas... There was basically no QC! Boards arrived damaged, plates did not fit. The pink ano turned out orange. PCBs had issues. Boards received were mostly C-stock. Issues that they knew about from prototyping ended up making it to final product. Issues that content creators brought up, ignored.
Did they try to make things right? Hell no! Freather and CMM began banning anyone who asked for the status of the projects. They even flooded the Discords with alts that simped for them. You couldn't complain or give any criticism because you'd get harassed by their alts and banned. All of the vendors who joined in as proxies got shafted! Ask Deskhero about the nightmare they went through with refund request. Some vendors even had to pay out of their pocket to fix the plate issues that CMM and Freather refused to take responsibility for.
For all of this, I will never support CMM, Keysponssory, Freather, or anyone involved with them. Do not give these people your money. Do not fall for this GB. Close your wallets and look elsewhere to designers and vendors who have cared about their customers.
No wonder something seemed off about this keyboard designer... They work with Keysponssory aka CMM.
I took a look at your Discord and it seems you guys were also late on Haven65. Interesting how people keep giving Freather money after the disastrous Fuji65 and Saka65 GBs.
For anyone unfamiliar, Freather and CMM ran two GBs back to back with an ETA of less than half a year. It took them almost 2 years to deliver those boards. Similarly with the Haven65, the GB was from 9/22-10/22 with an ETA of 5-6 months. They claim that they already shipped the cases to vendors in May of 2023 (7 months later). Assuming they did the same thing and shipped by sea (like they did with Saka and Fuji), it'll be several more months before GB joiners get their keyboards, putting the actual time line to almost 1 year.
Oh and let me also talk about the QC Freather and CMM had with Fuji's and Sakas... There was basically no QC! Boards arrived damaged, plates did not fit. The pink ano turned out orange. PCBs had issues. Boards received were mostly C-stock. Issues that they knew about from prototyping ended up making it to final product. Issues that content creators brought up, ignored.
Did they try to make things right? Hell no! Freather and CMM began banning anyone who asked for the status of the projects. They even flooded the Discords with alts that simped for them. You couldn't complain or give any criticism because you'd get harassed by their alts and banned. All of the vendors who joined in as proxies got shafted! Ask Deskhero about the nightmare they went through with refund request. Some vendors even had to pay out of their pocket to fix the plate issues that CMM and Freather refused to take responsibility for.
For all of this, I will never support CMM, Keysponssory, Freather, or anyone involved with them. Do not give these people your money. Do not fall for this GB. Close your wallets and look elsewhere to designers and vendors who have cared about their customers.
No wonder something seemed off about this keyboard designer... They work with Keysponssory aka CMM.
I took a look at your Discord and it seems you guys were also late on Haven65. Interesting how people keep giving Freather money after the disastrous Fuji65 and Saka65 GBs.
For anyone unfamiliar, Freather and CMM ran two GBs back to back with an ETA of less than half a year. It took them almost 2 years to deliver those boards. Similarly with the Haven65, the GB was from 9/22-10/22 with an ETA of 5-6 months. They claim that they already shipped the cases to vendors in May of 2023 (7 months later). Assuming they did the same thing and shipped by sea (like they did with Saka and Fuji), it'll be several more months before GB joiners get their keyboards, putting the actual time line to almost 1 year.
Oh and let me also talk about the QC Freather and CMM had with Fuji's and Sakas... There was basically no QC! Boards arrived damaged, plates did not fit. The pink ano turned out orange. PCBs had issues. Boards received were mostly C-stock. Issues that they knew about from prototyping ended up making it to final product. Issues that content creators brought up, ignored.
Did they try to make things right? Hell no! Freather and CMM began banning anyone who asked for the status of the projects. They even flooded the Discords with alts that simped for them. You couldn't complain or give any criticism because you'd get harassed by their alts and banned. All of the vendors who joined in as proxies got shafted! Ask Deskhero about the nightmare they went through with refund request. Some vendors even had to pay out of their pocket to fix the plate issues that CMM and Freather refused to take responsibility for.
For all of this, I will never support CMM, Keysponssory, Freather, or anyone involved with them. Do not give these people your money. Do not fall for this GB. Close your wallets and look elsewhere to designers and vendors who have cared about their customers.
What does Fuji/Sakas have anything to do with Haven? I'm not a fan of Fuji boards and definitely not a fan of their discord, so I quit their discord. The way they handle the community really sucks.
My experience with papamao/haven/china gb has been nothing but amazing. I got my haven 65 in time and the quality is top notch. I joined china haven tkl gb and look forward to build mine.
You're mixing haven with other stuffs that're not relevant.
No wonder something seemed off about this keyboard designer... They work with Keysponssory aka CMM.
I took a look at your Discord and it seems you guys were also late on Haven65. Interesting how people keep giving Freather money after the disastrous Fuji65 and Saka65 GBs.
For anyone unfamiliar, Freather and CMM ran two GBs back to back with an ETA of less than half a year. It took them almost 2 years to deliver those boards. Similarly with the Haven65, the GB was from 9/22-10/22 with an ETA of 5-6 months. They claim that they already shipped the cases to vendors in May of 2023 (7 months later). Assuming they did the same thing and shipped by sea (like they did with Saka and Fuji), it'll be several more months before GB joiners get their keyboards, putting the actual time line to almost 1 year.
Oh and let me also talk about the QC Freather and CMM had with Fuji's and Sakas... There was basically no QC! Boards arrived damaged, plates did not fit. The pink ano turned out orange. PCBs had issues. Boards received were mostly C-stock. Issues that they knew about from prototyping ended up making it to final product. Issues that content creators brought up, ignored.
Did they try to make things right? Hell no! Freather and CMM began banning anyone who asked for the status of the projects. They even flooded the Discords with alts that simped for them. You couldn't complain or give any criticism because you'd get harassed by their alts and banned. All of the vendors who joined in as proxies got shafted! Ask Deskhero about the nightmare they went through with refund request. Some vendors even had to pay out of their pocket to fix the plate issues that CMM and Freather refused to take responsibility for.
For all of this, I will never support CMM, Keysponssory, Freather, or anyone involved with them. Do not give these people your money. Do not fall for this GB. Close your wallets and look elsewhere to designers and vendors who have cared about their customers.
What does Fuji/Sakas have anything to do with Haven? I'm not a fan of Fuji boards and definitely not a fan of their discord, so I quit their discord. The way they handle the community really sucks.
My experience with papamao/haven/china gb has been nothing but amazing. I got my haven 65 in time and the quality is top notch. I joined china haven tkl gb and look forward to build mine.
You're mixing haven with other stuffs that're not relevant.
The guy(s) behind this project are working with CMM and Freather, the scumbags behind Saka/Fuji. Just looking at the US GB for Haven65 already makes this project, Haven TKL, look bad. Haven65 GB was from mid September to mid October 2022, with an ETA of 5-6 months. They are already 8 months and still haven't shipped to vendors or fulfilled. Literally what happened with the Fuji and Saka!
They claimed a 6-8 month ETA, didn't deliver on time, weren't very transparent about the status, and when they said they had shipped, it took almost another year to get tracking... All while completely dropping the ball on QC and basic checking. The plates they shipped were unusable, with some vendors having to step in and fix the issue themselves!
Oh and did I mention the scumbagery?! They silenced anyone asking questions, criticizing them, or asking for refunds. They literally took no blame! Everyone who joined were SOL!
EDIT: Autocorrect
This is why I am voicing my concern and asking others to steer the heck away from any projects that CMM, Freather, or Keysponssory touch.
No wonder something seemed off about this keyboard designer... They work with Keysponssory aka CMM.
I took a look at your Discord and it seems you guys were also late on Haven65. Interesting how people keep giving Freather money after the disastrous Fuji65 and Saka65 GBs.
For anyone unfamiliar, Freather and CMM ran two GBs back to back with an ETA of less than half a year. It took them almost 2 years to deliver those boards. Similarly with the Haven65, the GB was from 9/22-10/22 with an ETA of 5-6 months. They claim that they already shipped the cases to vendors in May of 2023 (7 months later). Assuming they did the same thing and shipped by sea (like they did with Saka and Fuji), it'll be several more months before GB joiners get their keyboards, putting the actual time line to almost 1 year.
Oh and let me also talk about the QC Freather and CMM had with Fuji's and Sakas... There was basically no QC! Boards arrived damaged, plates did not fit. The pink ano turned out orange. PCBs had issues. Boards received were mostly C-stock. Issues that they knew about from prototyping ended up making it to final product. Issues that content creators brought up, ignored.
Did they try to make things right? Hell no! Freather and CMM began banning anyone who asked for the status of the projects. They even flooded the Discords with alts that simped for them. You couldn't complain or give any criticism because you'd get harassed by their alts and banned. All of the vendors who joined in as proxies got shafted! Ask Deskhero about the nightmare they went through with refund request. Some vendors even had to pay out of their pocket to fix the plate issues that CMM and Freather refused to take responsibility for.
For all of this, I will never support CMM, Keysponssory, Freather, or anyone involved with them. Do not give these people your money. Do not fall for this GB. Close your wallets and look elsewhere to designers and vendors who have cared about their customers.
What does Fuji/Sakas have anything to do with Haven? I'm not a fan of Fuji boards and definitely not a fan of their discord, so I quit their discord. The way they handle the community really sucks.
My experience with papamao/haven/china gb has been nothing but amazing. I got my haven 65 in time and the quality is top notch. I joined china haven tkl gb and look forward to build mine.
You're mixing haven with other stuffs that're not relevant.
The guy(s) behind this project are working with CMM and Freather, the scumbags behind Saka/Fuji. Just looking at the US GB for Haven65 already makes this project, Haven TKL, look bad. Haven65 GB was from mid September to mid October 2022, with an ETA of 5-6 months. They are already 8 months and still haven't shipped to vendors or fulfilled. Literally what happened with the Fuji and Saka!
They claimed a 6-8 month ETA, didn't deliver on time, weren't very transparent about the status, and when they said they had shipped, it took almost another year to get tracking... All while completely dropping the ball on QC and basic checking. The plates they shipped were unusable, with some vendors having to step in and fix the issue themselves!
Oh and did I mention the scumbagery?! They silenced anyone asking questions, criticizing them, or asking for refunds. They literally took no blame! Everyone who joined were SOL!
EDIT: Autocorrect
This is why I am voicing my concern and asking others to steer the heck away from any projects that CMM, Freather, or Keysponssory touch.
Thank you for sharing!Hello fellow enthusiasts,
This is PapaMaoddd from Atelier Haven, and I recently announced the upcoming shipment of Haven65 to our vendor. Then, as the Haven 65 are well on track, I am excited to introduce the Haven TKL, which is finishing up shipping in China, a brand-new keyboard with an 80% F13 layout.
Inspired by my college architecture studies, I've designed the Haven TKL to not only follow the Haven 65’s design language, but going even further with an exaggerated milled-out side profile, aggressive lighting, a cantilever structure, and a unique, sandwiched weight design.
Before going into the TKL, let me intro duce you the inspiration behind this board. HavenTKL is still inspired by a piece of architecture, just like how Haven 65 related to Haven Huis. Just about half a year before the trip to Belgium In 2018, I was an architecture major student finishing up my third year of college in Cal Poly SLO(hopefully one of the reader is from there), I finished the design of my favorite piece of work throughout the whole college, a Virtual Reality Research Center located in Russian Hill, San Francisco. I met the professor that affected my way of design and formed my own design philosophy that year, and that is why I really wanted this building to be alive in some other ways.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kjIhyZK.png)
This design was quite influenced by some of Zaha Hadid’s early works as well as some of Thom Mayne’s design. As you can see here, HavenTKL, along with Haven 65, was quite influenced by this building’s crazy cantilever structure, zig-zagging outline, powerful polygonal volumes with a hint of deconstructivism. The overall building is made of silver and transparent material, with a hint of red weaving through out the whole building, and a shiny, red core(VR show room) located in the center of the building. This design of red core of the VRRC is also the inspiration of the “sandwich weight” in feature in HavenTKL
Here is an “architectural diagram” that introduce some basic aspects of the board.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TFO5Yx7.jpg)
explosion renderShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/D5jPeZT.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/x3NAtBq.jpg)
The redcore also did not only inspired the design of the weight, but also my favorite colorway of the board: Silver cases, silver PVD SS weight and the red anodized aluminum core weight. (The small pc bottom case is an extra option)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9unTLru.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RCke94d.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0dGGU8f.jpg)
Here's a quick rundown of the Haven TKL's design features:
• Exaggerated milled-out side profile, following the Haven design language
• Type-C port with poly line design and enlarged space for easier access
• Unique, sandwiched weight design with multiple color options
• 18.2mm front height and 8.5 degrees of typing angle
• Badge design inspired by the keyboard's side profile
• Bottom bar weight with PVD coating and a logo design (brass option available)
• 2 horizontal flex cut PCB with 2 extra connections in the middle for firm or soft(if you choose to cut out the connections) typing experience
• Underglow light and front accent light on both sides of the PCB
• Silicon socks gasket mounting method for improved stability
The Haven TKL will be available in a variety of color options to suit your style. The design is more aggressive than Haven65, and I'm excited to see how it will be received by the community.
Here are some of the other great colorways that will be appearing in the group buy, More information and renders/photos of other colorways will be announced before the GB
“Gray Copper” with GMK CafeShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/VXXHjYd.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iWEVv70.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KpRs3fa.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RqDfBFM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/s7hVSRs.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iWEVv70.jpg)
“Lavender” with Gmk LavenderShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/RPCK2RZ.jpg)
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zbrvbgx.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0SZP8Ha.jpg)
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RPCK2RZ.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3VolhGB.jpg)
“Crimson” with GMK Ishtar+kuro kit
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/h47WX3R.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/a6kbX4B.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HIsiZ9V.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Woi7lGI.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zIRiUyo.jpg)
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“Tempt”+ BoW and “Red Core” + GMK Rainy Day and JTK 404(by rifen)
(I also didn’t take the photos down below, these are my friend code named “little turtles” work. However, he doesn’t know how to use Lightroom so I did it form him but forgetting to get rid of the watermark option)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/80Zjfld.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mFz1hk6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vViR8P0.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TTVid6Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4NV7nx0.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WYMgE9W.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/VYaeoDB.jpg)
CaseShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ThiHFMd.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RxEw7es.png)
As this is an interest check, I'm eager to hear your thoughts and feedback on the Haven TKL. Please let me know what you think, and feel free to ask any questions you may have in Atelier Haven’s Discord channel
Thank you for your attention and interest.
Best regards, PapaMaoddd from Atelier Haven
Discord: https://discord.gg/KtGT4nDAtE