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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Tue, 28 December 2010, 16:01:35
Post'em...

My Setup:
Onboard Toslink to JVC-888v To Grado SR125i's.

Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Brian8bit on Tue, 28 December 2010, 16:05:47
It's like I'm on 4chan.
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Post by: Daniel Beaver on Tue, 28 December 2010, 18:02:40
Koss PortaPros plugged into my motherboard's onboard audio. Supa hi-end, yo.

(http://www.digimedia.ru/UserFiles/image/materials/2009/august/idozers/KOSS_Porta_Pro.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Tue, 28 December 2010, 18:30:21
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;269994
Koss PortaPros plugged into my motherboard's onboard audio. Supa hi-end, yo.

Show Image
(http://www.digimedia.ru/UserFiles/image/materials/2009/august/idozers/KOSS_Porta_Pro.jpg)


I just bought a pair of those for my best friend to use on his ipod nano 2nd gen. (The last models before Apple started cheaping out on their DACs)
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Post by: nmd on Tue, 28 December 2010, 20:05:31
I use Sennheiser HD 280 PROs for music and Razer Carcharias for gaming. I use the Razer because it's got a real relaxed braided cord and doesn't clamp down on my head, so if I'm wearing my glasses it doesn't give me a headache or distort my vision. The sound isn't as good and the Razer also has a defect in the volume control causing the left speaker to go out after a while but warranty covers it(just takes like a month for a replacement.)

I use Logitech Z-2300s rest of the time.
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Post by: woody on Tue, 28 December 2010, 20:18:04
AKG K44, best bang for buck.
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Post by: jaynoon on Tue, 28 December 2010, 20:20:23
I have some Audio Technica ATH-AD700s plugged into an Astro Gaming Mixamp.

I don't think the AD700s benefit tremendously from amplification, but the mixamp actually makes the wiring around my desk less crazy, and provides an easy TOSlink->headphone path from my Xbox.

These headphones are ridiculous for the $90 or so you can get them online for.
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Post by: Parak on Tue, 28 December 2010, 20:33:49
Another ATH-AD700 fan here :D They go into a mixer, mixer connects to a kenwood VRS-7100 receiver, which connects to a soundcard via optical. Easy switching from headphones to speakers this way.
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Post by: jaynoon on Tue, 28 December 2010, 21:20:20
Quote from: Parak;270079
Another ATH-AD700 fan here :D


Yeah, they're really fantastic cans for the money. I plug them straight into my iPhone and they sound pretty damn good.

I would totally jump up to the ATH-AD900s just based on my happiness with the 700s, but I don't really have too much to complain about. I suppose they could use a touch more low end response..
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Post by: godly_music on Tue, 28 December 2010, 21:24:29
Judging from the picture, Grados are just as uncomfortable as Koss Porta Pros. Ear squeezed directly into foam = bad. I've used Sennheiser HD 570s for a good 8 years and bought Koss Porta Pros, which lasted a whole year until the non-replaceable cable broke. My latest babies are These (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=269216&postcount=71). Running them with an old Sony integrated amp, they sound like NOTHING AT ALL. If you play a ****ty encode, they'll brutally reveal every glitch. If you play from a good source, they are phenomenal. Sennheisers in comparison like to sugarcoat. Some people really prefer that, and there's an argument to be made for either.
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Post by: D-EJ915 on Tue, 28 December 2010, 22:20:17
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/enthauptet/pho/_C9U9075.jpg)
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Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 28 December 2010, 22:41:43
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7015/part1293597493674.jpg)
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Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 28 December 2010, 23:16:00
Another AD700 owner reporting in, just with these being directly plugged into the rear of an Auzentech X-Fi Prelude (no dedicated headphone amp). They work great for the exact purpose I bought 'em for-surround sound gaming with CMSS-3D Headphone.

It makes me wonder if all those higher-end cans like properly-amped Beyerdynamic DT880s and anything Stax or electrostatic would really be that much of an improvement in gaming and general music listening (I'm starting to build up a small FLAC collection now that I have the hard drive space) to justify the increased expense.
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Post by: jnsjr on Tue, 28 December 2010, 23:26:17
AD900's plugged directly into a x-fi prelude as well... i have always wanted a pair of bassy senns and a pair of grados as well!
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Post by: cbf123 on Tue, 28 December 2010, 23:43:04
AKG 501s with a self-built PPAv1 amp.  Bass boost is tuned to provide flat freq response lower than the cans themselves would normally provide.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Tue, 28 December 2010, 23:51:12
Quote from: godly_music;270105
Judging from the picture, Grados are just as uncomfortable as Koss Porta Pros. Ear squeezed directly into foam = bad.


Yes! Yes! Let the hate flow though you! lolz :P Actually, I find my grados to be quite comfy, as all it took was a slight bend of the headband to reduce the squeezing of the ears. I actually tend to forget that I am wearing them. Now I could see if you had a fat head, you might run into problems, but I don't exactly have that problem. In all seriousness though, I will agree with you that when I initially bought the pair they were a little uncomfortable. Yet, I knew that before I actually paid for them, as I tried them on in store and made my comparisons versus many other competing headphones. In the end, I choose audio quality over comfortability. After about a month the headband naturally stretched out and I noticed I was able to wear them for much lengthier periods of time then when initially got them. Now after having these headphones for over half a year and having put over 300 hours into them I can safely say I can easily (and have) wear these all day and night long.
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Post by: Lanx on Wed, 29 December 2010, 00:17:13
ad700 plugged in old xfi. Not an audio phile so do you guys really recommend some amplifier thing? most of the time i use my speakers, actually don't know what speakers i got (away) lemme check my woot account.
ok it wasn't from woot, oh well guess i really have to check, it's a really big subwoofer for a computer tho.
ah found it boston acoustics mm226
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&expIds=17259,27586,27642&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=boston+acoustics+computer+speakers&cp=20&qe=Ym9zdG9uIGFjb3VzdGljcyBjb20&qesig=C4ATrApZfUnL_t7-AwpMXw&pkc=AFgZ2tkKaBwZb3oVtflaCAD-S8h23UDP4FV8KkC7QvMRExs6N3lWQT1mc5HkAt2dBnbXDWl99Ni19_0oaWvXbV9iVXDwN5mhHQ&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=9840360697854834689&ei=8tEaTbngAcL38AajhIzXDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAw# (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&expIds=17259,27586,27642&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=boston+acoustics+computer+speakers&cp=20&qe=Ym9zdG9uIGFjb3VzdGljcyBjb20&qesig=C4ATrApZfUnL_t7-AwpMXw&pkc=AFgZ2tkKaBwZb3oVtflaCAD-S8h23UDP4FV8KkC7QvMRExs6N3lWQT1mc5HkAt2dBnbXDWl99Ni19_0oaWvXbV9iVXDwN5mhHQ&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=9840360697854834689&ei=8tEaTbngAcL38AajhIzXDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAw#)
subwoofer is huge, as big as 4 36o's put together.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Arc'xer on Wed, 29 December 2010, 00:33:08
Quote from: NamelessPFG;270139
It makes me wonder if all those higher-end cans like properly-amped Beyerdynamic DT880s and anything Stax or electrostatic would really be that much of an improvement in gaming


From what I read on the DT880 600ohm at head-fi and other places. Gaming wise they are monsters for it, especially for very serious competitive gaming while the DT770s are more of a fun cans. There's a ****load of reviews on the DT880s and gaming in particular the 600s which seem to produce the best sound when properly amp'd, hell even some people are using the Xonar ST and saying it's just fine for amplification but I'm sure there's always someone coming out and saying external only.

Either way there's a lot of gaming sayings of use but nothing detailed much like what kind of effect it had, discernibility etc.etc. a little too general for my liking especially considering DT880s price.

One guy mentioned the AD700s are always a considered a can for gaming because at the price point they nearly compete with 200-300+ headphones. But compared to the DT880s the 700s are like a low-definition monitor, while the DTs are like higher-definition monitors. Both have a strong gaming capability but the DT880s just provide so much more detail.

The ones who've used it seem to say that the only thing that would be an upgrade are electostats and whatnot(for gaming for that matter but I doubt many will drop 20K+ for headphone plus a giant amp), I even seem to recall some saying the DT4s the old 1930s-40s version(and a specific version of it due to being analytical neutral headphones) were also another option.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: BlueRain on Wed, 29 December 2010, 01:09:17
What's the difference between A700 and AD700?
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Post by: Arc'xer on Wed, 29 December 2010, 01:14:00
Quote from: BlueRain;270173
What's the difference between A700 and AD700?


A = closed, AD = open.
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Post by: BlueRain on Wed, 29 December 2010, 01:14:51
Quote from: Arc'xer;270175
A = closed, AD = open.


The retail price seems so far apart for the "minor" difference?
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Post by: sixty on Wed, 29 December 2010, 01:16:18
HD595 too since two years or so by now. I finally washed the cushions the other day in the sink, after finding out they cost like $100 as replacement parts. It surprisingly worked quite well.
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 29 December 2010, 02:07:37
I picked up the Grado SR80i for my younger brother for an xmas/bday combo gift.  They seem like a great starter set for rock music.

Myself, I haven't had a decent set of headphones in maybe 15 years.  I only got a few minutes' listening time on the SR80i last weekend, and it seemed really dialed in for rock music.  I listen to a lot of rock, but also a good amount of jazz, mostly acoustic instruments.  For lack of a better word they felt a little claustrophobic with the few jazz albums I tried out.  Anyone got a recommendation for something better?  A breakdown of what I listen to lately might go like:

45% "Rock" (Classic Rock, Metal, Punk)
25% Jazz (Mostly acoustic instruments, few vocals)
15% Classical (Piano, orchestra)
15% Hip-hop

I wouldn't want to spend much over $200 and a significant amount of the listening would be unamped.  Just curious if anyone has similar tastes and a good set of headphones.
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Post by: isp on Wed, 29 December 2010, 02:19:15
These things have held up pretty well.  Good value.

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2162/97623829.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Wed, 29 December 2010, 02:24:53
Quote from: Arc'xer;270164
From what I read on the DT880 600ohm at head-fi and other places. Gaming wise they are monsters for it, especially for very serious competitive gaming while the DT770s are more of a fun cans. There's a ****load of reviews on the DT880s and gaming in particular the 600s which seem to produce the best sound when properly amp'd, hell even some people are using the Xonar ST and saying it's just fine for amplification but I'm sure there's always someone coming out and saying external only.


I bet my fat head (:biggrin:) that there is no difference AT ALL. 600 Ohm is meant for beefy amps. What high resistance does is reduce residual noise. That's all it does. The sound is identical, unless your amp is a noise machine. And then some people even have it plugged into a soundcard and again, it's fine? My head's on backwards!

Enthusiast forums are full of both incredibly in-depth reviews and on the other hand, wishful dribble that justifies excessive spending. You find this phenomenon everywhere. "I really can feel the 2g extra tactile force, they make such a difference, and the little rubber rings made from the African Bloop-de-doo tree make for a much smoother bounce than the old regular rubber, my migraine has VANISHED!"

With my awesome sound setup and these fine ears that get me laid regularly, I still can't hear the difference between a FLAC and a well-encoded V0 Mp3 or a ~192kbps Vorbis. Oh no he didn't! Well, problem samples used for blind comparison are a different matter, these exist and you will definitely hear them if you ABX. But that's between lossless and lossy, not between headphones and not about music.

The Beyerdynamic lineup. Roughly it goes 770 (closed), 880 (halfopen) and 990 (open). 770s got more bass, 880s are called neutral and the 990s are a bit more forward and fun. Pro versions have a coiled cable, more rugged and less fancy construction, higher headband pressure and as a result, bit narrower soundstage and more bass. Honestly, I wouldn't have bought mine if I didn't think they would last me for 20 years. They're expensive and solid. If you're looking for a cheaper alternative, it's often said that the AKG K701 is similar to the DT 880.

Oh and if you have the luxury,
going out and testing > all.
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Post by: woody on Wed, 29 December 2010, 03:06:25
Quote from: godly_music;270186
Oh and if you have the luxury,
going out and testing > all.

I would. :) But the equipment to do so is couple more digits.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Zen on Wed, 29 December 2010, 04:17:53
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1023/akgi.jpg)

Emu 0202 USB soundcard
Penguin Amp 'Caffeine'
- AD8397 opamp
- LM6171 ground driver
Connected via home-made cable made of
Mogami 2549 cable &
Neutrik angled stereo mini-jacks
AKG K240 MkII
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Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 29 December 2010, 04:29:27
My babies:

(http://tux.fi/~kumis/Headphones.jpg)
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Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Wed, 29 December 2010, 05:14:42
AKG K240 MKII for me as well.

Just recently bought them. Love those.
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Post by: Brodie337 on Wed, 29 December 2010, 05:23:26
Sennheiser HD555s with the 595 mod. I've considered marrying them.
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Post by: YpoCaramel on Wed, 29 December 2010, 05:35:17
K701 and D5000, but they're not my favorites really. I prefer the HD600 and HD650 over it either, and probably the DT880 as well (yes, I've heard them all). The ESW-10JPNs are lovely, but the clamp gets tiring fast. Want to purchase some custom in-ears and full-sized.
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Post by: 42.tar.gz on Wed, 29 December 2010, 05:43:49
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14349&stc=1&d=1293622959)
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Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 29 December 2010, 07:08:33
Quote from: NAVIWORLDINC;270145
Yes! Yes! Let the hate flow though you! lolz :P Actually, I find my grados to be quite comfy, as all it took was a slight bend of the headband to reduce the squeezing of the ears. I actually tend to forget that I am wearing them. Now I could see if you had a fat head, you might run into problems, but I don't exactly have that problem. In all seriousness though, I will agree with you that when I initially bought the pair they were a little uncomfortable. Yet, I knew that before I actually paid for them, as I tried them on in store and made my comparisons versus many other competing headphones. In the end, I choose audio quality over comfortability. After about a month the headband naturally stretched out and I noticed I was able to wear them for much lengthier periods of time then when initially got them. Now after having these headphones for over half a year and having put over 300 hours into them I can safely say I can easily (and have) wear these all day and night long.


The Grado doughnut ear pads are much more comfortable than the flat ear pads that come with the sr60-sr125. At least to me, my ears barely touch the pads themselves, they fit completely inside the hole while the pads rest on my head. (small ears)
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Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 29 December 2010, 11:03:37
Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;270217
AKG K240 MKII for me as well.

Just recently bought them. Love those.

Made in Austria or already made in China?

Stuff here:
HD580 @ comp
HD590 mainly for Rockbox'd ClipV2 @ home
SE420 for portable use on ClipV2
HD420SL for radio (600 ohm hiss busters)
HD540 (old 600 ohm) for standalone CD player

A bit heavy on Sennheiser, I know.
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Post by: jpc on Wed, 29 December 2010, 11:21:30
HD580's are great. Love em. Too bad they are out of production.
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Post by: kidchunks on Wed, 29 December 2010, 11:52:21
JVC HAS-700 (best bang for the buck!) @ Work
link (http://www.amazon.com/JVC-HAS700-Portable-Full-Size-Headphone/dp/B0013OWPVO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1293645040&sr=1-1)

HD555's (no mod) connected to my x-fi xtreme gamer @ Home (best $87 I spent on cans!)

Looking at the A700s, they have them on sale!
link (http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-A700-Audio-Technica-Headphones/dp/B000E9VKUQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293644918&sr=8-1)

AD700 cheaper!
link (http://www.amazon.com/Technica-ATH-AD700-Open-air-Audiophile-Headphones/dp/B000CMS0XU/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_c)

I love my JVC's but considering the A700, but I work in a quiet environment. Anyone use them for work?
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Post by: BlueRain on Wed, 29 December 2010, 11:56:56
Any reason for no mod? The YouTube looked really easy to convert to 595 which is $50 more expensive on Amazon and two times the MSRP?
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Post by: kidchunks on Wed, 29 December 2010, 11:57:55
Quote from: BlueRain;270325
Any reason for no mod? The YouTube looked really easy to convert to 595 which is $50 more expensive on Amazon and two times the MSRP?


Haven't broken them in yet. Too lazy to run the noise samples lol
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Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 29 December 2010, 13:03:51
I need to spend some time reading this thread and over at head-fi, you guys should post your opinions of what you have.  I'd like to get some nice cans in the $100-300 range for use with an amp and some good audio gear that I've recently scored. :biggrin:

I use these Ultimate Ears Triple.Fi 10vi (has mic for phone use) on my commutes, doing yard work and general portable use.  Picked them up for $100 last year during the Amazon gold box sale and they are one of the best purchases I've ever made.  If I lost them I would pay full retail ($350-420ish) to replace them.

The Sennheiser HD-202's are my leave at work on my desk phones which I don't use much since getting the Triple.Fi 10's but they are an Excellent budget headphone.  Really.  For $25 they are very tough to beat and quite comfortable.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_-sQ6TN93LvU/TRuFGfbuVVI/AAAAAAAABlY/PtTnqldOFgM/s800/Headphones%20and%20earbuds%20-%20Ultimate%20Ears%20Triple.Fi%2010vi%20and%20Sennheiser%20HD-202.JPG)
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Post by: woody on Wed, 29 December 2010, 13:12:18
I prefer the pear. Mmmm.
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Post by: wap32 on Wed, 29 December 2010, 13:28:17
At home I have some 601's not currently amped, but I'm just finishing a DIY amp (opamp gain stage w/ MOSFET buffer).

Etys ER4P for noisy environments or high portability, the detail on these is just amazing.

At the University, I usually bring my ESW9's. After owning the A900's I wanted something similar but portable.
They're not quite it, but they're very fun to listen and sound good unamped.

No pics ATM.
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Post by: Keymonger on Wed, 29 December 2010, 13:52:30
Quote from: Brodie337;270220
Sennheiser HD555s with the 595 mod.

Same here. Hooked up to a NuForce Icon amp...

I have a question, by the way. Can you guys tell a difference between 128 kbps MP3 and uncompressed? Or 128 kbps MP3 and 320 kbps? Last time I checked, I couldn't, but now I listen to more classical than ever. I remember when I first used an amp with my headphone, I still couldn't tell a difference, but I did hear more in the recordings that I had, and I could make out the lyrics in songs better...

I have what I consider good hearing. But I have read people that can easily tell the difference. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't trust people who say that. There are also people who say that they can tell the difference between digital and analog. I'd like to see them do a little blind trial and see if that is really the case. I've had that in mind for some time, to write a script that plays some music in different quality and then asks the user to guess which sample it was, and then at the end show what the user got right and wrong.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 29 December 2010, 13:58:14
Quote from: Zen;270208
Show Image
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1023/akgi.jpg)


Emu 0202 USB soundcard
Penguin Amp 'Caffeine'
- AD8397 opamp
- LM6171 ground driver
Connected via home-made cable made of
Mogami 2549 cable &
Neutrik angled stereo mini-jacks
AKG K240 MkII


any reason a non audiophile who uses his droid for workouts or just ad700 to xfi would want to make an altoid cmoy amp?
i'm just asking cuz they look cool and i just learned how to solder so i was thinking about buying a kit! but i have absolutely no idea what it's for and what it can do, pretty much total noob. (i just think it'd be fun to solder)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 29 December 2010, 13:58:53
I definitely can tell 128k vs higher, absolutely.  Now 192k vs 320k is more tricky, and it really depends on the music.  Most modern music sucks majorly and the details aren't there to hear to begin with.

Listen to Dave Matthews Live at Redrocks or Pink Floyd Pulse at low and high bitrate and you'll hear it.
 
There is a McIntosh cd on bittorrent sites that is used to demo their audio gear that is phenomenal.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 29 December 2010, 14:17:16
I also rip everything to both FLAC and MP3.  If I ever want to change the compressed format to something else, it is not too much effort to convert the FLACs to a new format, but I don't want to get all the CDs back out again.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 29 December 2010, 14:28:28
Quote from: jpc;270315
HD580's are great. Love em. Too bad they are out of production.

HD600s still exist, which are the same with fancier looks. Not a fan of the marble finish though, and apparently it likes to peel off once in a while, too. (When I sold my HD650, this happened during shipping. Bummer.)
Quote from: Lanx;270369
any reason a non audiophile who uses his droid for workouts or just ad700 to xfi would want to make an altoid cmoy amp?
i'm just asking cuz they look cool and i just learned how to solder so i was thinking about buying a kit! but i have absolutely no idea what it's for and what it can do, pretty much total noob. (i just think it'd be fun to solder)

Do you have trouble reaching enough volume?

But certainly a Cmoy makes a nice DIY project. To match the AD700s, best pick an opamp with some oomph that isn't easily impressed by low-impedance loads. ATs are quite efficient, but low impedance tends to drag down open-loop gain and worsen distortion. Buffer capacitors should be reasonably-sized, too (maybe 470 with a single 9V block, more for lower voltages).

The X-Fi may be able to user some beefier buffer caps, too. I'm not sure whether they were as thrifty as with the Audigy SE, which reportedly does noticeably better on low-impedance cans if the headphone opamp gets a few hundred F (16V+) from V+ to V-... biggest problem is fitting the thing.

Re: bitrates, 128k CBR tends to be quite OK these days. But who still uses that? My portable stuff is LAME VBR -V 4 or -V 5 these days, even -V 6 I was quite unable to ABX. It is important that Replaygain or equivalent be used, however. Hotly mastered records may result in overshoots of up to +3.6 dB with lower MP3 bitrates, giving additional clipping on playback. (Rockbox rulez!)

Archiving should be lossless only, as ripster outlined.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Wed, 29 December 2010, 14:34:57
Quote from: Keymonger;270368
Same here. Hooked up to a NuForce Icon amp...

I have a question, by the way. Can you guys tell a difference between 128 kbps MP3 and uncompressed? Or 128 kbps MP3 and 320 kbps?


With my Grados I can tell the difference between 256kbps and 320kbps. Anything less than 224kbps just sounds plain bad. I can also tell a difference between V0, V2, compression. In all honesty when I actually want to hear the album I will often get the CD out and play directly from, I don't have my turntable set up as of right now, but have been interested in getting it out. As for the difference between high quality FLAC and 320kbps I can't tell a difference quality, but they do sound different.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Wed, 29 December 2010, 18:25:45
Quote from: NAVIWORLDINC;270383
I can tell the difference


Blind listening test or it didn't happen.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 29 December 2010, 19:18:23
Quote from: didjamatic;270348
I need to spend some time reading this thread and over at headroom, you guys should post your opinions of what you have.  I'd like to get some nice cans in the $100-300 range for use with an amp and some good audio gear that I've recently scored. :biggrin:

I use these Ultimate Ears Triple.Fi 10vi (has mic for phone use) on my commutes, doing yard work and general portable use.  Picked them up for $100 last year during the Amazon gold box sale and they are one of the best purchases I've ever made.  If I lost them I would pay full retail ($350-420ish) to replace them.

The Sennheiser HD-202's are my leave at work on my desk phones which I don't use much since getting the Triple.Fi 10's but they are an Excellent budget headphone.  Really.  For $25 they are very tough to beat and quite comfortable.



the Grado 325is is incredibly bright with a very tight bass if properly amp (it doesn't take much). Jazz music really shines on these headphones, especially by bands where the recordings are top notch, i.e. Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band.

When I say bright, I don't mean they have lack of bass, but the highs are incredibly prominent in all music, but they never feel too shrill.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Parabellum on Wed, 29 December 2010, 19:27:44
I'm trying to find a wireless pair of headphones that won't cost me a damn fortune..
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 30 December 2010, 01:31:31
Quote from: keyb_gr;270379

Do you have trouble reaching enough volume?

no, usually have it at like 3 (i use the speaker pass thru) and i'm a total noob in the audio area so like i don't even know what an amp would do, i just thought those cmoy things would be cool to make heh.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Cyanide on Thu, 30 December 2010, 02:27:08
i use the bose Qc-15's. they are good, but i don't know if i would say they are worth $300. everyone that uses them says the quality is amazing, but i have always had good headphones/speakers so i didn't notice a huge difference. i only paid $200 for them because my previouse bose headphones had  broken after warranty, and if that happens they let you buy the same pair, or an upgrade for a big discount.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Earth Worm Jim on Thu, 30 December 2010, 05:38:24
Quote from: ripster;269948
HTPC media server or InterToobs Cloud to Slimbox (duet in bedroom) to Gilmore Lite to Sennheiser HD595.  I can also use the Slimbox controller as a Wifi iPod with Shure e530 buds.

Show Image
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4736071319_8c97d66fef_z.jpg)


Sennheiser HD595 nice! There the ones I use, very comfy on the ears for a long gaming session or music. :-)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Thu, 30 December 2010, 07:43:46
Quote from: NAVIWORLDINC;270383
As for the difference between high quality FLAC and 320kbps I can't tell a difference quality, but they do sound different.

High quality FLAC? FLAC is lossless.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 30 December 2010, 09:46:44
Quote from: woody;270636
High quality FLAC? FLAC is lossless.


I think he was just describing what FLAC was.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Zen on Thu, 30 December 2010, 10:16:50
Quote from: godly_music;270461
Blind listening test or it didn't happen.


Wrong ..
Blindtests can pretty much be set up to show whatever result is desired,
a 2 Db mismatch of levels will result in more than 90% of people choosing the loudest source as the 'best-sounding' .

Here's what you do instead :
You take an album that you know well, rip it to a 'lossless' format
and make a lossy version to ..
If you can't hear the difference you are either using a onboard 'soundcard'
and/or other inferior equipment OR you need to contact your doctor for  an audiogram ASAP ..
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Zen on Thu, 30 December 2010, 10:29:29
Or maybe you actually play real instruments !
and have an above average trained hearing .
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Zen on Thu, 30 December 2010, 10:35:23
Yeah, You better think really hard about that one,
this being a board where people discuss the 'different feel'
of various similar boards of different vintages !

Seriously, do you think violinists pay a million bucks or more for a Stradivarius
if a 500 bucks Yamaha sounds the same ?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 30 December 2010, 10:43:50
Quote from: Zen;270669
Wrong ..
Blindtests can pretty much be set up to show whatever result is desired,
a 2 Db mismatch of levels will result in more than 90% of people choosing the loudest source as the 'best-sounding' .

Here's what you do instead :
You take an album that you know well, rip it to a 'lossless' format
and make a lossy version to ..
If you can't hear the difference you are either using a onboard 'soundcard'
and/or other inferior equipment OR you need to contact your doctor for  an audiogram ASAP ..


Blind listening comparison with a large enough number of iterations is the standard to determine transparency of different codecs at different bitrates. It is what Hydrogenaudio folks do. Over there, you aren't even allowed to open your mouth on this issue unless you back it up with an ABX. Unless you can back up this claim that blind tests can be falsified with evidence, it's not valid.

A requirement for proper ABXing is that both samples are equally loud (you can achieve this with ReplayGain easily), and that there is a large enough gap in the results to be conclusive.

The procedure you describe is exactly how placebo effects are born. You take a track that you already know well, you know which one is the lossy one and which isn't, and then you add the incentive that if you can't hear the difference between lossy and lossless, something must be wrong with your ears or your equipment.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Thu, 30 December 2010, 11:13:18
Ugh... one of those guys audiophile guys dissing blind test.

I'm sorry, but everytime I hear someone say:
Quote

Blindtests can pretty much be set up to show whatever result is desired,


I just think:

(http://themurkyfringe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/09water-600.jpg)


Science works. It's the reason you have all your hi-tech audio gear.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Zen on Thu, 30 December 2010, 11:24:19
Quote from: godly_music;270681

The procedure you describe is exactly how placebo effects are born. You take a track that you already know well, you know which one is the lossy one and which isn't, and then you add the incentive that if you can't hear the difference between lossy and lossless, something must be wrong with your ears or your equipment.


I did not say that you should know what version is being played ..

What I DID say is that if you can't hear the difference between a
lossless and a lossy version of the same WELL-KNOWN piece of music
there is a problem.. Either your equipment is of insufficient quality
to reproduce the difference OR you have a hearing-problem .

Other than that, I totally agree that a lot of all this 'HiFi'-stuff
is superstition, snobbery and/or placebo ..
Silver 'sounds cold', Gold is 'warm' etc etc ..
Yeah, as long as you can see or know what is what, because your hearing is also affected by what you are 'expecting' to hear .

The fact that I use Mogami-cable should tell you a bit about where I'm coming from..
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 30 December 2010, 11:56:13
Quote from: Zen;270699
I did not say that you should know what version is being played ..


So it's sort of like a "blind" test then? :biggrin:

Well, I'll take the opposite side and say that if you have a high-quality lossy encode such as a recent Vorbis Q6 or MP3 V0 or whichever AAC bitrate is comparable, you won't be able to hear the difference between that and the lossless original. If you can hear a difference, then there is a problem. Either you hear it because you want to hear it, or there's a spider with a tiny microphone sitting in your amp.

It's easy to speak in absolutes. I'm on the safe side saying that lossy is transparent, because that's what it aims to be and that's what the consensus of the internet authority on this (Hydrogenaudio) is. The other side is the one that needs to come up with evidence against this, which again, means doing ABXing.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Thu, 30 December 2010, 12:20:31
Quote from: godly_music;270461
Blind listening test or it didn't happen.


Alright, I'll just call up a few scientists and have them setup a controlled experiment with my own equipment. Dude go **** yourself, I don't really much care what you have read on the internet, but some people actually have good hearing, and from what I have noticed, a lot of people can't hear **** in my opinion.

Just to give you an example of how strong my hearing is, last night I had a headache and I had to take a battery out of the wall clock in order for my brain to stop pounding at each second it ticked off. This wall clock only has your standard quartz time movement piece you see in everyday clocks. Oh I'd like to further mention, that my room is somewhat big, and likes to absorb sound.

I would also like to mention that I am a musician, and have been playing music since I was six years old. I know with my setup my ears can notice the difference between  256kbps and 320kbps, and if you don't believe it, well personally I don't really give a damn, but don't discredit someone just because you can't hear the difference for yourself, and don't discredit someone because you have found similar studies that satisfy your mental well being of not being able to hear.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Thu, 30 December 2010, 12:28:53
Quote from: ripster;270728
Wow.  Why do you have a crap receiver then?


:eek: And what makes you think it is crap?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Thu, 30 December 2010, 12:36:20
Quote from: ripster;270731
Just yanking your chain.  I usually don't hear a big difference in receivers with speakers but do using headphone amps versus some crappy receiver headphone outs.


Ah I thought so... I am not claiming my receiver is the BEST device in the world to provide amplification to my grados, hell, a couple months ago I went back and tested some audiophile headphone amps, all in the over $500-2500 market. I couldn't tell big enough difference, though this one amp I saw for like $1250 sounded really good to me. Spoke with one of the tech's and he said that most of the older JVC's and Pioneers actually had really decent headphone jacks. I was kinda happy with his honesty. Funny too, I bought this amp at a yard sale for $20. Still loving the TOSLINK.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 30 December 2010, 13:54:22
So far it's been suggested that I be convinced by:

- a brand of cable
- nightly headache
- career choice
- strong language

If you couldn't care less to convince me, then stop trying to convince me and exit the argument. Everything else is just white noise, bro.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Thu, 30 December 2010, 13:59:55
Quote from: godly_music;270772
So far it's been suggested that I be convinced by:

- a brand of cable
- nightly headache
- career choice
- strong language

If you couldn't care less to convince me, then stop trying to convince me and exit the argument. Everything else is just white noise, bro.


- a brand of cable
TOSLINK is not a brand, it is a technology of fiber cabling invented by Toshiba in 1983.
- nightly headache
meh
- career choice
Never mentioned anything about a career brah.
- strong language
LOL are you the German FCC?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kamikazekyle on Thu, 30 December 2010, 15:15:34
So, to interject in the Lossless v. Lossy discussion, anyone have any good experience with IEMs?  I normally use IEMs due to my piercings and the pain most headphones cause.  I'm just trying to find a pair that fits my preferences.

I usually listen on a Zune HD for portable, or at my computer and through a FiiO E5 pocket amp.  I also usually use Calamity Trigger from the BlazBlue soundtrack CD for testing since it has electric guitar, bass, drums, plus orchestral string and wind instruments and each has unique sections and combined sections.

I've got a pair of Shure 530's, and they have really clear mids, though the highs are a bit aggressive but not overly so.  The lows are pretty pitiful though.  If I flip the FiiO's EQ to bass boosting, it helps fill out the lows some.  Overall they tend to lack body the soundstage feels far away.  I also easily notice hiss from all my audio sources, though I'm not exactly running all that high end gear.  I suppose if I ran them through a better amp I'd get better results.

I also tried a pair of Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10's, and hated those.  The bass and low end was absent, the mids and highs were cold, albeit clear.  I preferred the Shures over these.

My current mains are Ultimate Ears SuperFi 5 Extended Bass.  These give me the lower end body I like without being punchy, and highs are pretty good but the mids get muddled.  They fit nice, but also slide out over time so I have to keep refitting if I have much head movement.

Anyone have any other suggestions?  Either for a different set of IEMs, or maybe a good amp (and/or USB DAC/sound card) if that'd help.  I'd also take suggestions on headphones, assuming the ear pads were large enough to go entirely around my ears and industrial :P  My headphone experience is pretty limited to A900s (pretty good sound, though again a little bass light) and some Grados that I can't remember the model (too painful to use).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 30 December 2010, 17:10:31
Senn HD595's are going for $117 today on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD595-Performance-Premiere-Headphones/dp/B0001FTVE0
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Thu, 30 December 2010, 17:50:54
Is there a consensus on what the best $100-$150 range of headphones are? I've seen quite a few mentions of the Sennheisers HD595 and the Audio Technica ATH-AD700.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: EverythingIBM on Thu, 30 December 2010, 18:12:17
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;270856
Is there a consensus on what the best $100-$150 range of headphones are? I've seen quite a few mentions of the Sennheisers HD595 and the Audio Technica ATH-AD700.


Sony and Creative have some good headphones in that range.

Although probably not many people here are fond of Creative's speakers/headphones, which is too bad.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:24:18
I use JVC HA-RX700s. Cheap and good.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Thu, 30 December 2010, 21:43:51
I say HD595's for all around best experience, and SR125i's for audiophilia omg my ears are cumming bliss. The HD595's are nice and comfy, bass was a bit hard and highs sounded harsh to me, where as the SR125i's sounded a bit more natural, yet in the beginning, they can be uncomfortable to use.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: polygon on Thu, 30 December 2010, 23:02:38
Wow that's a insane price for 595's ins't it? I remember seeing 555's for $80-100 on sale.

I have these sony headphones:

(http://www.iheadphones.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/S/o/Sony-MDR-XB700_3.jpg)

Pretty good quality, and most importantly they are THE most comfortable headphones ever.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kamikazekyle on Thu, 30 December 2010, 23:14:37
Quote from: ripster;270804
I have Shure 530 and SuperFis too and you could always try a better headphone amp but the Shure 530 is very low impedence and tends to pick up noise easily (my Touch hisses like crazy with it).  I happen to like the Shure bass but hated all the lower end Shure models.  I also think the SuperFI mids are muddled (suspect the ovewhelming bass).   Or look at custom ear molds.  

The trouble with IEMs is it seems you have to pay at least 3X full size cans to get comparable quality.


Yea, that's what I noticed.  I managed to get the Shure 530's on a really good sale and I do value them for classical and reference type listening.  Daily drivers tend to be the SuperFi's for the time being.  I would like more middle clarity, but all the other sub-$1k IEMs haven't pleased me or reviews say outright they lack on the low end.  

I might look into a custom mold eventually.  The fit is OK on the SuperFi's, it's just the silicone tips like to trap heat and slide out, while the foam tips are too small for my ear canals.  They'll expand to max size and still not seal.

I had my girlfriend do a quick A/B test with my Shures and SuperFi's since she's 1st Chair in an orchestra and has been playing violin since she was a child.  I figured she could give me some advice since she's been around live music much more than myself.  Even she agreed that my Shures had *no* low end at all.  I'm starting to wonder if there might be something wrong with them as I can't even hear much below middle C on piano pieces, and it feels as though there is ZERO bass -- almost as if the low end simply isn't there.

Though, since those Sennheiser 595's are the lowest price they've been on Amazon in 6+ months, I might give a shot at those, especially since they're open air.  If they don't work out, I could probably resell them for at least as much as I paid considering they're only $118 right now.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/audiophiles.png)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Crypt on Thu, 30 December 2010, 23:37:07
Ooh, good deals are always tempting.  I've been eying Alessandro MS1s, but maybe I should do more research.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: AndrewZorn on Fri, 31 December 2010, 01:21:41
This thread just reminded me how badly I needed replacement pads for my ATH-M50s, which I researched and ordered just now.  Pleather gets so sweaty and nasty.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Fri, 31 December 2010, 02:15:41
You should see the pads on my old Sennheiser HD 570's, they have basically turned into solid crust. It looks like the skin of a reptile.

I would love to replace the velour on my new headphones with pleather, it's just easier to clean. But by testimony it "dramatically alters the sound" and who am I to argue with the big spenders.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 01 January 2011, 01:31:15
Dang, Senn 595's are back up to $150.  I was a day late or I would have snagged a set.

As for IEM's, I LOVE LOVE LOVE my Triple.Fi 10vi's and spend at least an hour a day with them in my ears.  They're very efficient and were made for use with portable electronics like Ipod/Iphone.  But I do look forward to trying them with a headphone amp.

Possibly this one:

Little Dot MKIV SE
(http://axzell.com/images/supra/ld_mkivse.jpg)

or the Little Dot MKIII for less than half the price
(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/6/6/6/8/6/4/webimg/287558321_o.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 01 January 2011, 02:05:05
These look interesting, being closed and reviewed so favorably.  I'm a Denon fan since scoring a POA-1500 amp that I'm using on my stereo setup.

Denon AH-D2000 (http://www.headphone.com/selection-guide/denon-ah-d2000.php)

(http://www.headphone.com/productphotos/large/0020522000_3332.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Sat, 01 January 2011, 03:32:54
So I've been "educating" myself over at head-fi.  Why does everyone burn everything in?  There are guys "burning in" solid-state electronics over there.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: gun_sl1nger on Sat, 01 January 2011, 04:44:05
Quote from: BlueRain;270173
What's the difference between A700 and AD700?

A700 = closed headphones (speaker contained within solid 'cup' of material) prevent sound from leaking in or out. Gives a warmer more enclosed sound (generally)

AD700 = open headphones ( speaker  contained within a mesh like enclosure) allowing sound to leak both in and out. Better 'spatial' sound.

Don't educated your self on head fi. 90% of it is audiophile bull**** about how 500 dollar oxygen free pure copper cables give you better sound. Or how you need to 'burn' headphones in for 300 hours playing white noise through them to make them truly sound great.

'High end' Hi Fi equipment is an excellent example of the law of diminishing returns.

This is a good place for advice minus the BS.

www.headphones.com.au

These are mine:
HD 600s an open set I wear for Jazz/blues/classical
(http://184.72.239.143/mu/6eae1ffc-07fd-d26f.jpg)

DT250 for home when baby Bella is asleep.
(http://184.72.239.143/mu/6eae1ffc-082f-1f22.jpg)

A900s (for work easy to drive) + Asus STX for quality PC sound
(http://184.72.239.143/mu/6eae1ffc-0842-bed7.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: gun_sl1nger on Sat, 01 January 2011, 05:02:56
Quote from: RoboKrikit;271520
So I've been "educating" myself over at head-fi.  Why does everyone burn everything in?  There are guys "burning in" solid-state electronics over there.

Because none of then have an electrical engineering background. I have seen people suggest 'burning In' after market headphone cables. It is retarded.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 01 January 2011, 11:05:32
so your saying headfi is NOT the GH of headset audio but rather more akin to OCN?
if so what's the GH equiv then?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Sat, 01 January 2011, 11:12:41
I figured I should mention Yuin PK3 (http://www.amazon.com/YUIN-PK3-Earbuds/dp/B002OGEP2M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1293901847&sr=1-1)s, which are the nicest earbuds I've used. Never going to be up to the quality of headphones or in-canal, but when I'm out an about they're wonderful to have (I need to be able to hear the outside world somewhat over my music).

They are much better than Sennheiser mx500s, which are always the recommendation I see on the internet.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 01 January 2011, 11:17:55
woot woot i got the 595's at $117, pretty good deal.

PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Sat, 01 January 2011, 11:39:02
http://www.amazon.com/Skullcandy-Com-Multimedia-Headphone-Black/dp/B000OYFPZ2

They were on sale for $30 when I got them.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41lZBJ9ubwL.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 01 January 2011, 12:44:07
once i burned in my remote control over 100 hours, afterwards the remote functions had a tighter response.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: gun_sl1nger on Sat, 01 January 2011, 14:11:51
Quote from: ripster;271614
Speaker cones do "burn in".  Everything else is HeadFi "All In Their Heads" bs.

If by burn in you mean loosen up after 1000s of hours of listening due to wear and tear. You are probably right. Considering the cones are designed to hold their elasticity for as long as possible, this would be normal fatigue. It doesn't make them sound any better though. I think the millions of dollars put into headphone research by the design/engineering team will far outway an end user playing white noise through a speaker cone at medium volumes to 'burn it in'.

Considering interpretation of sound is a purely subjective thing, I am yet to see any scientific evidence which proves that speakers sound 'better' when you burn them in.

edit: not trolling Rip, just disagreeing.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: wap32 on Sat, 01 January 2011, 14:29:46
Quote from: gun_sl1nger;271675
If by burn in you mean loosen up after 1000s of hours of listening due to wear and tear. You are probably right. Considering the cones are designed to hold their elasticity for as long as possible, this would be normal fatigue. It doesn't make them sound any better though. I think the millions of dollars put into headphone research by the design/engineering team will far outway an end user playing white noise through a speaker cone at medium volumes to 'burn it in'.

Considering interpretation of sound is a purely subjective thing, I am yet to see any scientific evidence which proves that speakers sound 'better' when you burn them in.

edit: not trolling Rip, just disagreeing.


Burn-in, in dynamic speakers at least, is real, but it is not something you "do", it just happens.
If they end up sounding better, or even if there's much difference at all, that's for you to decide.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Sat, 01 January 2011, 15:32:04
Quote from: wap32;271685
Burn-in, in dynamic speakers at least, is real, but it is not something you "do", it just happens.
If they end up sounding better, or even if there's much difference at all, that's for you to decide.


As the discussion has lead to burn in, I felt like talking about my experience with burn in. When I bought them the store advised me that my grados will need about 100 hours of burn in to sound proper. I kinda laughed as I thought it was smoke in mirrors. Got the grados out of the box and immediately noticed they didn't sound like anything the demo pair sounded like. After about 50 hours of burn in I was starting to get nervous, the sound actually was worse then when I bought them, I was about to take them back. But I kept with, and after about 150 hours of play on them, they sounded BETTER than the demo pair in the store. How did I break mine in? Well I found a few sources. I made a playlist... High quality white noise for about one hour, high quality brown noise for another hour, 30 minute silence file,  two hours of Led Zeppelin I-IV (FLAC), half an hour of Tool Lateralus (FLAC), 2 hours of Pink Floyd The Wall and Darkside(FLAC), an hour of Primus Pork Soda(FLAC), and then one and a half hours of another silence file. I had this playlist run for about half a week, with a script that would raise and lower the volume every 10 minutes to random values (20% to 100%) If you ever consider trying to break in a pair of drivers, I recommend a similar practice.

EDIT: I forgot to mention I also used Beastie Boys Licensed to Ill (FLAC), great album for highs lows and mids.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: wap32 on Sat, 01 January 2011, 17:38:23
If I want to speed up the burn-in process, I just leave them overnight playing music at normal listening volume.

But usually I do the burn-in with the headphones on my head...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 01 January 2011, 21:18:05
Oh boy, burn in? I'm no believer in that. I think you get used to the sound signature. But let's make this an "agree to disagree" thing, because I don't think you'll find any studies on it.

(I'd be interested if you could get people who claimed to be able to hear the difference to do so in a double blind.)

Quote from: AndrewZorn;271026
This thread just reminded me how badly I needed replacement pads for my ATH-M50s, which I researched and ordered just now.  Pleather gets so sweaty and nasty.


How long did that take? I just got a pair of M50s and I'm worried about it.

A friend has some ATH-A700s and his pads are in bad shape. Well, actually, just the left one is gone; the right pad is near immaculate. Pretty odd.

Also, did you order identical OEM replacement pads or something else?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 02 January 2011, 01:00:48
i used to has the Audio-Technica A900Ti's, they were great like tony the tiger.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: gun_sl1nger on Sun, 02 January 2011, 03:23:59
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;271846
Oh boy, burn in? I'm no believer in that. I think you get used to the sound signature. But let's make this an "agree to disagree" thing, because I don't think you'll find any studies on it.

(I'd be interested if you could get people who claimed to be able to hear the difference to do so in a double blind.)



How long did that take? I just got a pair of M50s and I'm worried about it.

A friend has some ATH-A700s and his pads are in bad shape. Well, actually, just the left one is gone; the right pad is near immaculate. Pretty odd.

Also, did you order identical OEM replacement pads or something else?

The default pads on the art series A700 and A900 are terrible. Really thin pleather. I bought the A1000 pads which are heavier, as soon as my A900 pads wore out (bits of black pleather would end up around my ears and on my shirt). They slightly change the sound (a bit bassier) but considering how non-bassy the sound is from the art series, it actually seemed to improve them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: CodeChef on Sun, 02 January 2011, 15:14:31
I should read the rest of this thread but I probably won't.

I've got a pair of HD555s, foam modded of course. Running them through a homemade CMOY amp. Source is V0 MP3s on my Sansa Fuze.

Also running them off onboard sound from lappy.

Also got SoundMAGIC PL-50s for travelling light w/ the Fuze.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kill will on Sun, 02 January 2011, 23:42:44
sony mdr for monitoring

wesc for fashion haha
Title: need new headphones
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 03 January 2011, 10:57:10
so i was at the gym the other day and my old crappy iPod earbuds **** the bed.  now i am using my good old Sony MDR-V150 headphones.  they are great headphones, but they are too bulky to bring back and forth to school everyday and i am sure not gonna go running on the treadmill with them.  anyone have any suggestions for decent earbud headphones?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 03 January 2011, 11:20:51
I agree with didja.  The Triple.Fi 10s are pretty nice.  I have those and some ATH-M50s which I also like quite a bit.  I also got some triple flange inserts for the Triple.Fis, and that helped out a lot.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: speedlolita on Mon, 03 January 2011, 18:28:31
I've got a modest pair of Grado SR-80. The low impedance is pretty handy as I can use them with my laptop unamped and they still sound pretty damn good.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: AndrewZorn on Tue, 04 January 2011, 00:14:05
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;271846
Oh boy, burn in? I'm no believer in that. I think you get used to the sound signature. But let's make this an "agree to disagree" thing, because I don't think you'll find any studies on it.

(I'd be interested if you could get people who claimed to be able to hear the difference to do so in a double blind.)



How long did that take? I just got a pair of M50s and I'm worried about it.

A friend has some ATH-A700s and his pads are in bad shape. Well, actually, just the left one is gone; the right pad is near immaculate. Pretty odd.

Also, did you order identical OEM replacement pads or something else?

Only a couple months.  Not terrible, but I've always hated the sweat.  I bought DT250 velour pads, they supposedly fit.

Quote from: itlnstln;272356
I agree with didja.  The Triple.Fi 10s are pretty nice.  I have those and some ATH-M50s which I also like quite a bit.  I also got some triple flange inserts for the Triple.Fis, and that helped out a lot.

Just sold the TripleFi I kept for myself from the Amazon sale, never even opened them.  I would have had the same headphone combo as you.  I just couldn't get over how long the TripleFis were, if I get earbuds, I want to be able to lie down on a pillow while using them... something I've never experienced with comfort.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kamikazekyle on Wed, 05 January 2011, 08:37:43
So, I had this nice long reply typed up but I got logged out between typing it and posting.  Therefore, this new reply will be a bit condensed (which I'm sure some will like :) )

Anyway.  Got the 595's in last night and had a go at them with Divinity 2 for 3-4 hours.  They have some amazing stereo separation and sound stage, that's for sure.  Mids/highs are clear and crisp without feeling too harsh, though they could be a little warmer for my tastes.  Bass is there and defined, though lacking body.  Fit and comfort were great, and far better than my A900s or any Grado I've used.  If I can eek up the low end a bit and keep the mids/highs clean, I'll be damn happy with the purchase.

As my Zune did nothing but tickle the headphones till 80% of max volume (and they were weaker in the low-end impact), I ran them through my FiiO E5 with the bass boost on.  That helped round out the lows and drive them a bit better, though nothing significant.  I also tried some software EQ using my computer's onboard Realtek, and while it helped, I couldn't do much without distorting the sound.  I have yet to try the headphones with my bass guitar amp.

I wound up ordering a Nuforce Icon uDAC-2 for a USB DAC and headphone amp as the FiiO didn't cut it.  From what I've read the uDAC-2 should round out the lower end a bit better than the FiiO while expanding my laptop (and other computers) outputs to RCA or Coax without needing to carry converters.  As I'm going to be travelling a good bit and using my MacBook or other desktops/laptops, having a portable USB DAC will be nice to maintain consistent sound.  If I find out I still want more shaping of the signal or additional amping, I'll probably save and get an Arrow 12HE.  The uDAC-2 should be able to do some preamping on the RCA if I want to run it into another amp or powered speaker set.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Co-Op on Wed, 05 January 2011, 08:58:47
Sennheiser HD580's... Had em for ages, and I think they are discontinued.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nowsharing on Wed, 05 January 2011, 10:31:05
Here's my budget setup:
Fuze LOD -> PA2V2 -> Grado SR80

I picked up the PA2V2 and a pair of Senn PX100s for $40 and sniped the Grados for $35.

I'm jealous of the awesome setups that everyone has, but happy enough with this rig for the moment.


What a horrible picture. Oh well, you get the idea.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ChThoniC on Wed, 05 January 2011, 11:34:26
I use Beyerdynamic DT770-80s at home, straight from my sound card. Love the sounds, great for any kind of music and especially for games/movies. Had them for almost four years, and they were a really great investment.

I use MEElectroics M9 for all portable uses... I can't believe how good they sound for $13. I see myself purchasing from this manufacturer again, whether I need another pair of earphones that I will probably break or want a slightly more expensive IEM.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kamikazekyle on Wed, 05 January 2011, 13:20:12
Quote from: nowsharing;273492
Here's my budget setup:
Fuze LOD -> PA2V2 -> Grado SR80

I picked up the PA2V2 and a pair of Senn PX100s for $40 and sniped the Grados for $35.

I'm jealous of the awesome setups that everyone has, but happy enough with this rig for the moment.


What a horrible picture. Oh well, you get the idea.


Wow, that's some pretty good deals.  I also like your patch setup with the Fuze to the PA2V2.  I wound up getting the FiiO E5 as it was cheap and the size of a 2nd gen iPod shuffle, though it never reall did a whole heck of a lot for most IEMs I used on it.

I wish I knew what I did with my Grados.  I know the wiring in one of the ear pieces was coming loose, though I figured I could fix it.  I probably lost it/accidentally tossed them out during a move.  Hell, I only have 2 CDs left from before I moved into my house a year ago.  Between a theft and two moves, they've all disappeared.  Which sucks, as I hadn't yet ripped them all and some were only ripped in 192kb MP3, not FLAC.

Come to think of it, I lose a lot of stuff every time I move :P
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Brodie337 on Wed, 05 January 2011, 15:30:25
I don't know if this is really the place to ask, but I was just wondering if you think I'd see alot of improvement if I was to buy a headphone amp for my HD555s, which I've done the 595 mod on?

Is it worth it? Where do I start looking for an amp in Australia, and what amps do I look out for?

Thanks,
Brodie.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 05 January 2011, 16:23:28
I'd recommend buying a DAC/amp. Don't amplify a ****ty source to make a giant ****ty.

I'd recomend the MATRIX MINI-I from ebay as a good starting point.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Wed, 05 January 2011, 16:44:42
Quote from: panda-R;273662
I'd recommend buying a DAC/amp. Don't amplify a ****ty source to make a giant ****ty.

Panda's are furry but wise. Stay digital until the DAC/amp + headphones (or speakers).
Many PC motherboards (and other equipment) today have optical or coaxial digital output.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 06 January 2011, 00:13:22
big poo big poo!!!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Brodie337 on Thu, 06 January 2011, 00:45:21
Thanks guys, I'll look into it. While I like my music to sound nice, I've never really looked into PC audio much.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: CodeChef on Thu, 06 January 2011, 18:38:34
ah man, nowsharing, where'd you get the Fuze cable end? Where'd you get the pinout for that matter? I've been meaning to do that for a while but i couldn't find either of those things. BTW, the standard audio out of the Fuze (and Clip) is really one of the best out there.

Lanx, ABI (Anythingbutipod) is the GH of audio. They seem pretty modest but they're actually incredibly knowledgeable and friendly. Say Hi to Andreas while you're there, he's awesome :)

Do you guys want pics? If no one's going to look at them I'm not going all the way upstairs for my camera...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nowsharing on Thu, 06 January 2011, 19:13:59
Quote
where'd you get the Fuze cable end?

$12 shipped on Ebay: http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=fuze+lod (http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=fuze+lod). I'm really happy with the quality of it. About 6 months ago the only options were $30+.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 06 January 2011, 19:38:40
My list of cans:

Grado SR325i with reversed HD414 pads (quarter modded)
Shure SRH840 with straight cable
Sony MDR-V6 with Beyerdynamic DT250 pads
Sennheiser HD580 with 600 grilles, 650 cable/headband
Monster Turbine  /w triple flange modded to bi flange tips
Westone UM1 with comply tips (given to me at canjam chicago 2009 by westone rep)

Amp/DAC:

Little Dot I+ with M8083 tubes and OPA2107 op amp
SMSL mini-dac sd-793 with OPA2107 op amp
Headroom Total Bithead (given to me at canjam chicago 2009 by Headroom rep)

My girlfriend usually uses SR80i with the total bithead, while I use the mini-dac -> little dot I+.

a comment on the monsters, I got them for 65$ and they have great synergy with the motorola droid.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 06 January 2011, 19:50:37
Quote from: ripster;274279
Hey, you just voted for me in the Troll poll!

You need to upgrade to Senny HD595s.


You're the only person I saw trolling so far, but it's all funny.

Forgive me, sir!

And I have done countless HD555 to HD595 mods. I do like the phones, but the SRH840 are my gaming cans. Also, HD600 is better than HD595 (overpriced HD555's), afterall... the NUMBER IS BIGGAR! :O

I am also the self appointed organizer for omaha area head-fi meets. I've done one so far, this year. I'll be doing next year's for sure. Somehow I wrangled in 1600$ worth of raffle prizes for the event. It had it's perks too, i was one of the first people to get to listen to hifiman's latest, the RE-262, and I got a free loan of HD800 plus the ultra desktop setup from headroom for like 2 weeks at no cost to me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Shawn Stanford on Fri, 07 January 2011, 07:19:59
I love this site so much...

As I've gotten older my hearing has gone south and my lifelong tinitis has gone north. At this point, comfort and convenience are as important to me as sound quality. I have a couple sets of earbuds, but I don't remember what they are. A cheap pair of Sonys, I think.

Oh, wait... *rummage* *rummage* Here's a pair in my desk at work. Icemat Audio? Meh, whatever...

I have an old set of Sony MDRs that I bought when I worked at Sony fifteen years ago. They cost me $35, which was something like 75% off list. They're open and sound really good, but they pinch my ears after a while.

I have a couple sets of Bose Around-the-Ear headphones. The first set I bought at Nellis AFB before I deployed in '08. I used them extensively that year and they were very comfortable with good isolation. They also travel surprisingly well.

I really don't have much need for headphones or earbuds day-to-day. At my computer at home I use the speakers built into the TV I'm using as a monitor. At work, I have an old pair of cheap speakers from somewhere. They don't even have a brand name. That's okay, since all I need to hear are the occasional warning beeps.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Fri, 07 January 2011, 07:51:05
i have a few pairs of inexpensive headphones and some other cheap iems that i don't remember the model numbers to
jvc ha-rx700
audio technica ath-ad300
audio technica ath-ad700

oh and source is generally computer -> optical -> old yamaha rx-v795 -> headphones

i'm returning the 595s, i think i'm going to step up to the beyerdynamic dt880s since i'm only concerned with gaming performance and comfort
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pfink on Fri, 07 January 2011, 11:43:59
After joining Head-Fi late last year I spent more money on audio gear in a month than I did on keyboards the entire year...ouch.

Anyway, at work I'm currently using a pair of Shure SRH440's, source is an iPod Classic 160GB->LOD->cMoy amp.

At home it's a modded pair of Grado SR60i's through a NuForce uDAC on my computer. The headphone setup on my main audio rig is a SlimDevices Squeezebox III->Maverick Audio D1->Musical Fidelity V-CAN->Grado HF-2's.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: lootbag on Fri, 07 January 2011, 12:59:42
this is as far as I journeyed into the audiophile world.
so expensive!

old mobile setup:
- iPod Touch 3G
- Whiplash Audio SCSCag Viablue LOD
- RSA Predator DAC/AMP
- Westone 3s

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3481/4379492004d642c73e11z.jpg)

all I have left now are a iPod 5G, the Westone 3s and a pair of Grado SR-80s.
good enough for me :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: CodeChef on Fri, 07 January 2011, 16:04:55
Just picked up a pair of HD280Pros for 75 bucks free shipping from Newegg... I would post the deal but it was a code and I don't have the email anymore...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 07 January 2011, 16:29:52
Quote from: CodeChef;274837
Just picked up a pair of HD280Pros for 75 bucks free shipping from Newegg... I would post the deal but it was a code and I don't have the email anymore...


Let us hear how you like them when you get them. I've heard mostly bad things about them myself, but $75 sounds like a good price.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: CodeChef on Fri, 07 January 2011, 16:43:09
Yeah, I've heard generally good things but that they're not as good as M50s for their price, but this is a much better deal... Anyways, I've been looking for closed cans since I got my 555s and now I have them so yay!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: AndrewZorn on Fri, 07 January 2011, 23:42:44
You guys got me bidding on a used $200 amp.  After I realized it, I was glad I was outbid.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Fri, 07 January 2011, 23:51:48
$117USD HD595's tommorow! YES!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaaTa on Fri, 07 January 2011, 23:58:17
I have a pair of HD280's, been happy with them. And have lasted the beating of being brought around the world on airplanes, many hours of greyhounds, and such.

To me, they're good enough.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 08 January 2011, 00:22:15
the problem i find with headphone amplifiers are that they don't have enough MegaWatts to fry my headphones or make Dr. Walter Jenning glow like a bad ass.

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1020/11588122ww1.png)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 08 January 2011, 00:31:48
nothing is worse than the phantom menace!

Howard the duck is one of those awesome movies that you can't watch when you're older than 8, other wise the awesomeness decreases exponentially with age.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Sat, 08 January 2011, 01:33:34
Quote from: ripster;275021
Link to the  Gilmore Lite Amp webpage (http://www.headamp.com/home_amps/lite/index.htm) just to say you can't buy it anymore!  

However GS-1s at $900 are still being sold.  Damn those suckers are spendy!
Show Image
(http://www.headamp.com/home_amps/gs1/images/gs1_silver_phones_med.jpg)


GS 1000's?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Conditioned on Sat, 08 January 2011, 02:50:15
Im using the AKG701s which I kinda hate/love. I love them cause when I plug them into my asus essence stx and change ohm (even though its not really needed but it does add some 'bouncieness' to the sound) they sound really/U] good. But they arent very comfortable imho. Maybe its cause I shave my head.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Sat, 08 January 2011, 06:55:19
Quote from: Conditioned;275065
Im using the AKG701s which I kinda hate/love. I love them cause when I plug them into my asus essence stx and change ohm (even though its not really needed but it does add some 'bouncieness' to the sound) they sound really/U] good. But they arent very comfortable imho. Maybe its cause I shave my head.

I shave my head every now and then, and I always have had a very short hair style. Regardless I find the K701's very comfortable, and I can use them for quite long periods sometimes. I have to admit the K601's do seem like they would be even more comfortable, but I haven't had any issue so I'm not about to downgrade.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Sat, 08 January 2011, 07:37:57
Quote from: aynjell;275045
GS 1000's?


No. The GS-1 is a Head-Amp headphone amp.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NimbleRabit on Sat, 08 January 2011, 17:26:25
(http://imgur.com/U4yq2h.jpg)

ATH-AD700, JVC RX900, and Allesandro MS1.  

Those are my headphones, as well as some IEM's that I don't have a picture of (SoundMagic PL-50).  It's sad how many people with amazing computers, that are on them constantly, aren't willing to spend a little for good peripherals like headphones and keyboards.  Of course, don't be like me and end up with 3 different pairs of headphones that all work just fine.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Keymonger on Sat, 08 January 2011, 18:51:28
Quote from: NimbleRabit;275376
It's sad how many people with amazing computers, that are on them constantly, aren't willing to spend a little for good peripherals like headphones and keyboards.  

So true. Of course some people's idea of spending money on a keyboard is buying one with a pointless built-in screen... sigh.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ricercar on Sat, 08 January 2011, 18:57:04
Quote from: panda-R;275026
the problem i find with headphone amplifiers are that they don't have enough MegaWatts to fry my headphones or make Dr. Walter Jenning glow like a bad ass.


I got one of these 6-channel Headphone Amplifier with 20W per Channel when my band couldn't hear the monitors:

(http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/1800/HA6-xlarge.jpg)

Linky to buy (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HA6/)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 09 January 2011, 00:07:06
HD595 = awesome. Bass heads steer clear.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Sun, 09 January 2011, 04:10:53
More bass?

Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Sun, 09 January 2011, 04:39:00
Can he still HEAR? D:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Sun, 09 January 2011, 05:58:19
No. He can only feel the bass.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kamikazekyle on Mon, 10 January 2011, 10:06:10
I've been using the Senn 595's for about a week now, sometimes right off the source and sometimes off a uDAC2/FiiO E5 combo.  Love the sound (needs a little rounding out in the low end).  But I've noticed something odd that came about after first listening to the 595's.  It feels like I have inner ear pressure or a head cold.  It's weird.  I can hear everything perfectly fine, and I haven't increased volumes or noticed any less sounds that I've heard before.  I think I'm hearing *more* sounds -- right now I can hear the ticking of my pocket watch in my pocket.

The subjective volume on the 595's is the same as any other headphone or IEM.  I was watching a movie a little last night and I had the volume so low I couldn't distinguish voices.  I checked with my girlfriend and she didn't indicate the volume was too loud.  

I don't have any pressure or pain while using the headphones or any constant source of sound.  More like the pressure/head cold feeling comes about after sound goes to low ambient levels.

I didn't use the headphones for two days, but wasn't paying attention to the ear pressure during that time.

So, aside from the weird ear pressure issue that might/might not be caused by the headphones, I'm liking them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Jerri on Mon, 10 January 2011, 17:12:46
I'm using the Sennheiser PC 360 Headset. For gaming it is ok, if you hear music while you're playing games, i like it, too. But i've to crank the Volume Pot of the Headset, because there must be something like a cap on the Vol Pot, because if you turn the Volume on the headphones down, it creates a stupid loudness effect.
No problem for myself, because on the Breakout Box of the Creative X-Fi Elite Pro you can turn the Master Volume up and down. It's a pitty that i don't have a headphone amplifier yet.

For serious music listening i prefer my old hifi stereo (Infinity Renaissance 90 Speakers + Nakamichi PA-7 Amps).

Cheers

Jerri
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: CodeChef on Mon, 10 January 2011, 19:14:24
"because there must be something like a cap on the Vol Pot, because if you turn the Volume on the headphones down, it creates a stupid loudness effect."

Most improperly-designed volume post do this. In fact, I've never seen it in the audio world, only in guitar electronics. The way to counteract this is called a treble-bleed circuit. It lets the highs pass so the volume pot doesn't cut them.

Also, my 280Pros came! I'm now thinking of selling my 555s because I like the sound of the 280s enough to make them my only cans and I need a closed pair of cans more than I like to be able to hear stuff when I use my open cans at home (and only at home, you can't use them anywhere else)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: JLaz on Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:01:07
Hi, long time lurker around here and I would want to ask for advice from you guys.

I am thinking of buying headphones for gaming, music and movies. I will use them with my Asus g72gx. I am a competetive gamer in Starcraft 2 and would want quality sound and comfort. I've been looking at the UE Triplefi 10 pros and ATH-m50. Still torn with the full-size vs earbud thing.

Maybe someone has owned both and I would be glad to hear from you. Maybe you have other suggestions?

Added Info:
I am from the Philippines and the m50s cost as much as the Triplefis here. for around USD200. For the same price, which one would be more suitable for my needs?

Available brands here are Senn, Ultimate Ears, Bose, Koss, AT, Sony, Phillips.

Summary:
1. It has to sound really good(pref just with my laptop and no amp)
2. It has to be closed/isolating
3. It has to portable as I game on-the-go and in tournaments
4. It has to be somewhat comfortable
5. Build quality should be decent
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: CodeChef on Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:20:21
Check out the Sony MDR-V6. They are a classic recommendation as they sound very good all around and have a fairly flat, balanced sound signature. Probably the best choice for your stated use would be the AT-AD700, but those are open-back headphones. If you do look into IEMs (In-ear monitors, the ones that go deep in your ear canal and seal off the outside world) I would suggest Etymotic MC5s or the Phonak PFE... The PFE is probably a better choice as they are (supposed to be) more comfortable, especially over long periods of time.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: JLaz on Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:39:47
Thank you for the quick response.

The Sonys ARE classics. Actually, I'm totally sold to the Triplefi as of the moment and my only worry is the cable issues and the socket popping out ( as i have read online). As for availability to me, the Phonaks and Etymotics aren't available. The triplefis cost 200usd here and the Shure, Westone, and Senn IEMs cost around 400usd.

Are the build quality issues too bad? Or are those comments are overstated?

I am really sold to the portability of IEMs and the sound they offer with it unless Full-size headphones are THAT of beast when it comes to sound.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Mon, 10 January 2011, 22:54:35
For non positional audio, the V6 are amazing. For positional audio, I dig my Shure SRh840's. The best all around deal is the HD555 modded to HD595. IEMs have never impressed me, except for the RE-262 which are not commercially available yet. The monster turbine is about 1/3 of a 262 with a different frequency response curve.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Jerri on Tue, 11 January 2011, 01:54:21
Quote from: CodeChef;276365
Most improperly-designed volume post do this. In fact, I've never seen it in the audio world, only in guitar electronics. The way to counteract this is called a treble-bleed circuit. It lets the highs pass so the volume pot doesn't cut them.

NO it's not like a Treble bleed, more like a bass bleed ;). It's really not like that sound correction for low volumes. It's more like a "the kids think this thing has a to weak Bass" (well it's relatively natural).
And if the volumepot is down, the mids almost disappear, too. With the bypassed Pot they sound way more open.

And my guitar doesn't have a treble bleed circuit, only a 500k linear volume Pot. A Marshall is bright enough already, when you play clean with the neck Singlecoil ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Tue, 11 January 2011, 11:57:08
Quote from: Jerri;276310
But i've to crank the Volume Pot of the Headset, because there must be something like a cap on the Vol Pot, because if you turn the Volume on the headphones down, it creates a stupid loudness effect.
What you are hearing there is the interaction of the variable series resistance provided by the volume pot (yeah, it's that primitive) with the frequency-dependent headphone driver impedance. Complex voltage divider. You can go here (http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/build-a-graph.php) and plot the impedance curve of, say, a PX100 to get an idea of how it typically looks like. For drivers this size, there typically is a big hump in the bass region which results in said "loudness" effect.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:11:08
So I didn't order the HD595, even though I posted the Amazon deal a while back.  I put them in my cart and slept on it, and sure enough they were back to normal price the next morning.

I did order the HD555 for less than the HD595 deal price, after reading that they are essentially the same after removing some foam.  At the same time I picked up the Grado SR225i to compare with the SR80i that I got my brother for xmas (http://hollywoodjane.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/futurama.png).

The HD555 is WAY laid back compared to either of the Grados.  I expected the Grados to be bright, and they are, but I like both of them quite a lot.  The HD555 in comparison sounds like listening to speakers hidden behind a heavy curtain or two.  Does the HD595 mod make a ton of difference or should I not bother modding and send these back?  As they sound today, I'm not really even tempted to keep them around as a nice alternative to the Grados when I'm not in the mood for brightness, I'd rather get something with more interesting qualities, even if it means spending more.

That said, the HD555's circumaural pads are VERY comfortable, with both of the supra-aural Grados with either flats/comfies (SR80i) or bowls (SR225i) kinda hard on the ears after a long listening session.  I tried Grado's circumaural G-CUSH (http://www.amazon.com/Grado-G-CUSH-Headphone-Cushion-GS1000i/dp/B0039VP3X6) pads (designed for the higher-end Grados), and they do feel very comfortable, but the drivers in the SR225i are a very poor match; lows and mids are cut, so I have to increase the volume, but the volume increase makes the highs way too shrill to enjoy.  I just got a pair of the HD414 pads that are pretty comfy, though I prefer the sound of the bowls.

Anyone have the Denon AH-D2000?  I'm thinking of sending back the Sennheisers and picking these up to complement the Grados.  I do listen to a good bit of hip hop that would sound nice with a little more thump, and some of the really edgy and loud metal/rock/rap can grate on the ears a bit with the Grado sound.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:46:15
Quote from: RoboKrikit;276940
So I didn't order the HD595, even though I posted the Amazon deal a while back.  I put them in my cart and slept on it, and sure enough they were back to normal price the next morning.

I did order the HD555 for less than the HD595 deal price, after reading that they are essentially the same after removing some foam.  At the same time I picked up the Grado SR225i to compare with the SR80i that I got my brother for xmas (http://hollywoodjane.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/futurama.png).

The HD555 is WAY laid back compared to either of the Grados.  I expected the Grados to be bright, and they are, but I like both of them quite a lot.  The HD555 in comparison sounds like listening to speakers hidden behind a heavy curtain or two.  Does the HD595 mod make a ton of difference or should I not bother modding and send these back?  As they sound today, I'm not really even tempted to keep them around as a nice alternative to the Grados when I'm not in the mood for brightness, I'd rather get something with more interesting qualities, even if it means spending more.

That said, the HD555's circumaural pads are VERY comfortable, with both of the supra-aural Grados with either flats/comfies (SR80i) or bowls (SR225i) kinda hard on the ears after a long listening session.  I tried Grado's circumaural G-CUSH (http://www.amazon.com/Grado-G-CUSH-Headphone-Cushion-GS1000i/dp/B0039VP3X6) pads (designed for the higher-end Grados), and they do feel very comfortable, but the drivers in the SR225i are a very poor match; lows and mids are cut, so I have to increase the volume, but the volume increase makes the highs way too shrill to enjoy.  I just got a pair of the HD414 pads that are pretty comfy, though I prefer the sound of the bowls.

Anyone have the Denon AH-D2000?  I'm thinking of sending back the Sennheisers and picking these up to complement the Grados.  I do listen to a good bit of hip hop that would sound nice with a little more thump, and some of the really edgy and loud metal/rock/rap can grate on the ears a bit with the Grado sound.


If you prefer the sound of the bowls but the comfort of the HD414, do what I did:

Using the existing hole as a guide on your 414 pads, cut a hole on the opposite side of your 414 pads. Don't worry too much about the actual cleanliness of the hole since it won't be "customer facing". It's actually the hole used to hold the pad to the driver housing now. The old driver housing hole is now the customer facing hole. Enjoy.

The sound is better, more powerful and punchy... and more refined in my opinion. What is more, it's heavier, and ... more? the word more comes to mind. It's fuller, richer, heavier. More engrossing, at least to me.


End result should be similar to something like this (http://media.photobucket.com/image/HD414%20quarter%20m/Asrale/ms2i_x1.jpg)!

In regards to your HD555: The differences in audio is a lot like salt, btw. A pinch of salt by itself tastes terrible, but a pinch of salt in a dinner sized helping can make all the difference. The mod is about like a pinch of salt in your dinner. It doesn't completely transform the dish, but it does add to it, and in this case a bit more of what's already there. It brings out some of the detail and increases the sound-staging, so I hear. Bottom line: If you don't like them now, send them back.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:54:32
I have used a pair of grado sr60's for many years.  Maybe it's time for a new set :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 11 January 2011, 16:26:23
Quote from: aynjell;276968
If you prefer the sound of the bowls but the comfort of the HD414, do what I did:


Thanks, I think I'll give that a shot!

For the record, I don't dislike the sound of the HD555, I just prefer the two Grados I tried for most of the stuff I listen to, and if I were to own two sets of cans I'd go for something more complementary to the Grado sound.  The 555s are pretty dark and neutral, and aren't enough to make me want to take off the SR225i to hear something through a different kaleidoscope.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 11 January 2011, 16:39:48
Quote from: RoboKrikit;276998
Thanks, I think I'll give that a shot!

For the record, I don't dislike the sound of the HD555, I just prefer the two Grados I tried for most of the stuff I listen to, and if I were to own two sets of cans I'd go for something more complementary to the Grado sound.  The 555s are pretty dark and neutral, and aren't enough to make me want to take off the SR225i to hear something through a different kaleidoscope.

I myself have SR325i, and my alternative kaleidoscope as you put it, is the Shure SRH840. The SRH840 is heavy, but I find that it's different enough that it makes a good alternative. What is more, it's amazing for a closed can, so it's a good alternative for that reason too. Another point is, I sold my ATH-AD700 because SRH840's gaming performance was that good.

Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 11 January 2011, 21:29:31
I like my HD595's but those dam grados have been tempting me forever.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 11 January 2011, 22:41:36
Great-os or Grate-os?

(http://steveearly.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/cringe.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Tue, 11 January 2011, 23:19:30
Quote from: ripster;277183
I find Grados degrading.

Me too, they are just so great that in their price range, they truly de-grade all other headphones out there. (http://www.pornplayedbackwards.com/Futaba2/src/1293587260612.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NimbleRabit on Wed, 12 January 2011, 11:30:23
My grados (actually, allesandros) are my favorites out of all the headphones I have - so much fun to listen to.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: quadibloc on Wed, 12 January 2011, 15:36:03
And here I thought a Grado was a kind of phonograph cartridge.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 12 January 2011, 15:36:46
IIRC, Grado does make phonograph cartridges.

EDIT: They do.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 12 January 2011, 16:51:34
They do make phono carts, and grado will be my first stop when I buy a turntable. Just gotta make sure I buy a compatible table. :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Voyager on Fri, 14 January 2011, 04:37:53
Sennheiser HD555 into Terratec PHASE 24FW.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: quadibloc on Fri, 14 January 2011, 17:56:21
Quote from: itlnstln;277518
EDIT: They do.
I knew that. What I didn't know was that they made headphones.

However, what I found appealing (I bought the lower-priced one, many years back) was the high-output (which meant you could use it with a regular hi-fi setup, not requiring a special pre-preamp) moving coil from Ortofon.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: CodeChef on Fri, 14 January 2011, 20:15:22
Quote from: Voyager;278394
Sennheiser HD555 into Terratec PHASE 24FW.


You're using your Sennheiser as a source? That must sound TERRIBLE!

:P



I've decided the 280Pros are too uncomfortable and that the 555s spoiled me with their delicious velour love. To that end I think I'm going to sell both and pick up a pair of DT770s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Fri, 14 January 2011, 22:02:16
Currently listening to HD600's. Love 'em.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 14 January 2011, 22:58:48
Quote from: aynjell;278841
Currently listening to HD600's. Love 'em.


What'd amp are you using, I was thinking about buying/trying these in the near future
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Sat, 15 January 2011, 00:26:05
Quote from: ironman31;278856
What'd amp are you using, I was thinking about buying/trying these in the near future


I bought the headphones anticipating a better amp but unfortunately that never happened. presently I'm using a Little Dot I+. It seems to suit me well for all my other cans, but not for these. It's better now with a higher gain mode and the right tubes but it wasn't meant for HD600's at all. More grados than anything.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Sat, 15 January 2011, 00:56:24
he90,r10,o2,ps1k,010 among others.
apex pinnacle,hp4 among others.

all i do is write code while i listen to music. that's my life :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: msiegel on Sat, 15 January 2011, 01:00:31
so you're saying... music goes in one end, and code comes out the other? ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Sat, 15 January 2011, 01:10:13
Quote from: typo;278875
he90,r10,o2,ps1k,010 among others.
apex pinnacle,hp4 among others.

all i do is write code while i listen to music. that's my life :)


Please tell me you live in nebraska.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Voyager on Sat, 15 January 2011, 05:46:33
Quote from: CodeChef;278808
You're using your Sennheiser as a source? That must sound TERRIBLE!

:P



I've decided the 280Pros are too uncomfortable and that the 555s spoiled me with their delicious velour love. To that end I think I'm going to sell both and pick up a pair of DT770s.


Looks like my English has epically failed :(.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: George7 on Sat, 15 January 2011, 07:43:14
I bought a pair of DT770 Pro Headphones about 3 years ago for 77 and they're absolutely fantastic. My friend has them at the moment and I miss them greatly. One of my best purchases ever I think as they cost upwards of 130 now!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 15 January 2011, 13:04:14
Quote from: Voyager;278937
Looks like my English has epically failed :(.

nah, i understood what you were saying. That guy is american so that is to blame :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 15 January 2011, 13:13:22
Quote from: ripster;279058
A Ugly American at that!

So, I herd you like Hippy Girls.  What about Cheerleaders?  They have them in your foreign  country?


i like the hot ones!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: quadibloc on Sat, 15 January 2011, 13:44:08
Quote from: Voyager;278937
Looks like my English has epically failed :(.
Given that headphones usually come with male phono plugs, you certainly do plug your headphones into your preamp.

It's true that when describing a hi-fi system, sometimes one speaks of things in source to output order: Goldmund Reference with Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum into Quicksilver MC into Quicksilver Full into Krell Evolution e into KEF Muons.

But this is a hi-fi convention, not standard English usage.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Sat, 15 January 2011, 14:47:25
Quote from: George7;278965
I bought a pair of DT770 Pro Headphones about 3 years ago for 77 and they're absolutely fantastic. My friend has them at the moment and I miss them greatly. One of my best purchases ever I think as they cost upwards of 130 now!

I have the grado sr80i.  They completely changed my perspective on audio.  I really want a good pair of closed phones too.  I am most excited about the possibliity of customizing the DT770's through beyer's website, but that method starts at $299 (before shipping) and you can easily add $60+ in options.  They're the same as the silver ones you can grab on amazon for $179, but how can you pass up custom headphones?  I think that pro version is discontinued, which might explain the price jump.  It seems like they completely dropped that dj section from their website.

Correction: the DJ section is no longer blank and the pro's are listed there again.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 15 January 2011, 16:56:02
Love is our resistance!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: quadibloc on Sat, 15 January 2011, 18:57:29
Quote from: ripster;279167
Ohmmmmm.......(ah hell, there's plenty of the yoda pic elsewhere).
Mani padme hum.

But then, 60-cycle hum is usually a sign of an impedance mismatch. And don't get me started about Natalie Portman.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Sat, 15 January 2011, 22:31:22
i see quadbloc knows whats up :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 15 January 2011, 23:25:21
quadibloc is from Canada! i like him/her already.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 16 January 2011, 00:00:07
dat kinda hot
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: George7 on Sun, 16 January 2011, 09:16:06
Quote from: digitalleftovers;279105
I have the grado sr80i.  They completely changed my perspective on audio.  I really want a good pair of closed phones too.  I am most excited about the possibliity of customizing the DT770's through beyer's website, but that method starts at $299 (before shipping) and you can easily add $60+ in options.  They're the same as the silver ones you can grab on amazon for $179, but how can you pass up custom headphones?  I think that pro version is discontinued, which might explain the price jump.  It seems like they completely dropped that dj section from their website.

Correction: the DJ section is no longer blank and the pro's are listed there again.

I kinda fancy a pair of open headphones too, to go alongside my DT770s. The DT770s are fantastic and sounded, and blocked out noise a hell of a lot better than my friend's battery powered noise cancelling headphones which cost him around 60. However, I'd also like something open as I'm not too bothered about noise cancellation + noise leakage when I'm sitting in my room!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Sugoi on Sun, 16 January 2011, 11:35:39
I use beyerdynamics DT 880 Pro (250 ohm version). Teared a huge hole into my purse (...) but it's definitely been worth each single cent.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: CodeChef on Sun, 16 January 2011, 17:33:26
Natalie Portman can pad me any time she wants...

That was bad. I apologize.

Anyone wanna buy my 555s? They're minty fresh! :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Sun, 16 January 2011, 19:35:40
Wow, rather a lot of people use Beyerdynamics. *thumbs up*
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: johnnysasaki on Sun, 16 January 2011, 21:58:15
Just nabbed a FUBAR IV DAC + headphone amp when I found out my uncle grabbed me a pair of ATH-M50 phones. They are so hard to find in Canada (at a decent price) but more easily found in HK. Should be fun. Plugging into the computer audio jack just doesn't cut it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Sun, 16 January 2011, 22:04:33
Natalie Portman was amazing in Black Swan.

I still need to decide on a set of headphones but will prob end up with a closed set and an open set.  Most of the time I want to block out noise so I'm really leaning toward the Denon D2000's.  For open it would be Senn 555-650's.

Been focusing more on amps/dacs and sources lately.

Anyone ever tried Stax? (http://www.stax.co.jp/Export/ExportProducts.html)

(http://assets.head-fi.org/0/0f/1000x500px-LL-0f978404_1024.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Sun, 16 January 2011, 22:28:46
Wife says I can't get these:

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-sQ6TN93LvU/TTPHaVIwa1I/AAAAAAAABp8/bmqEdVqGc_w/s800/Stax_Headphones_Worn.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Sun, 16 January 2011, 22:46:37
Got the screener on bittorrent, had no idea what it was when we watched it.  Plenty of surprises!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Mon, 17 January 2011, 02:58:29
Screeners are just terrible. No point in watching good movies with that quality.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 17 January 2011, 08:48:29
Quote from: ripster;279712
Does this mean I don't have to pay for your Ebay keyboards anymore?


Who's selling keyboards?  I'm selling electronics test equipment (http://shop.ebay.com/didjamatic/m.html) this week.  :)  

Quote from: db_Iodine;279745
Screeners are just terrible. No point in watching good movies with that quality.


The quality on the one I got for Black Swan was the best i'd seen in a long time.  Then again, we're on a 36" CRT with XBMC/Orig Xbox as a source.  But it was definitely DVD comparable.  It's the one that's 1.x GB and the only weirdness is a brief watermark at the beginning of the film.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 17 January 2011, 09:57:33
Ever since he invented solid state electronics he has been opposed to that warm vintage tube vibe.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Jerri on Mon, 17 January 2011, 15:59:23
Quote from: ripster;279837
Tube rectifiers!   I have a guitar amp with those smooth tube rectified analog electrons.  I don't think Al Gore would be pleased though.


Selfmade amp? Or which model? ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Tue, 18 January 2011, 01:21:40
does anyone else here have high end headphone gear? i was just wondering what anyone had. nowdays there is no shortage of super expensive phones/dacs/amps to choose from.

i doubt i will get the new ultrasone edition. don't like them. i am sure i will get the new stax.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 07 February 2011, 22:44:42
Been using Denon AH-D2000's and a FIIO E7 portable amp/USB DAC for a week now... LOVE IT!!!   FYI, the FIIO is scorable for $75 free ship if you make an offer to the US seller on ebay.  That's cheap.  So far I say it's worth it, especially as a USB DAC.  There are bundles with a E9 dock/desktop amp that can push high ohm cans for under $200 total online as well.  I'm waiting on that until I see what comes out from some manufacturers over the next months, including the E15 from FIIO.

But these headphones are amazing.  A great counterpart to my Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10vi's.  The Denons are actually pretty efficient and don't sound horrible straight out of an Ipod.  They sound fantastic on a home receiver.

(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9859/img0160mj9.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 08 February 2011, 00:20:22
I don't even want to post an update on where my audio adventures have taken me over the last month. Suffice to say I have these D2000s now also (and an armful of other stuff) and I love them, and I blame geekhack.

I got 2 new tubes in the mail today. :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 08 February 2011, 01:40:53
Quote from: typo;280228
does anyone else here have high end headphone gear? i was just wondering what anyone had. nowdays there is no shortage of super expensive phones/dacs/amps to choose from.

i doubt i will get the new ultrasone edition. don't like them. i am sure i will get the new stax.


On the headphone side of things I'm entering the mid to high end, but I'm not at the far reaches of space (HD800, T1, R10, Stax, etc). I have SR325i, and HD580. Which are already on the far reaches of space for normal people, but just beginning for headphone users.

I also have SRH840, and boy does it sound good but the build quality is just plain crap.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Tue, 08 February 2011, 11:44:22
Quote from: aynjell;291649
I also have SRH840, and boy does it sound good but the build quality is just plain crap.

Interesting, hadn't heard about that. What's the problem?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: cgoldberg on Tue, 08 February 2011, 12:27:59
I like over-the-ear style headphones...

I used Grado SR80's for years... great sound but dorky looking:
(http://www.gradolabs.com/09_images/sr80i.png)

Recently I switched to Beats by Dre (Solo model):
(http://www.beatsbydres.com/pic/201011191737081787.jpg)

These Beats are my fav headphones I've ever owned.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 08 February 2011, 13:17:39
Quote from: keyb_gr;291804
Interesting, hadn't heard about that. What's the problem?

The headband is unnecessarily large, and too thin for how big it is. And it just falls apart. It was coming apart within a year.

Quote from: cgoldberg;291822
I like over-the-ear style headphones...

I used Grado SR80's for years... great sound but dorky looking:
Show Image
(http://www.gradolabs.com/09_images/sr80i.png)


Recently I switched to Beats by Dre (Solo model):
Show Image
(http://www.beatsbydres.com/pic/201011191737081787.jpg)


These Beats are my fav headphones I've ever owned.

I'm shocked that a pair of SR80's could be bested by a pair fo beats. Sounds to me like you appreciate bloated bass. The beats are just terribad.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: cgoldberg on Tue, 08 February 2011, 13:27:10
Quote from: aynjell;291852
I'm shocked that a pair of SR80's could be bested by a pair fo beats. Sounds to me like you appreciate bloated bass. The beats are just terribad.


Well.. in a quiet listening environment... with a headphone amp... and only considering sound quality... The Grado's sound better.

however...

I mostly use these during my subway commute and walking in the city.  The Beats have a punchier bass and sound really nice over street traffic and the rails :) (I don't like full noise cancelling because I need to be somewhat aware of my environment).

pros for the Beats:
- bassss
- collapsible
- detachable high quality cord
- comes with volume control on cord, and spare version without (I prefer without)
- comes with case
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 10 February 2011, 00:03:39
Question for you OPEN headphone owners, especially Senn 595-650's and Beyerdynamic DT880's and similar...

Can you hear a phone ring easily with them on?

Would the sound leakage annoy someone over a 6ft cube wall in a moderately quiet office?

I'm thinking of trying opens so I'm not so shut out at the office but don't want to annoy anyone.  If its at a reasonable volume (Milton) I wouldn't be concerned and can't imagine them being that loud since I don't like damaging my ears.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 10 February 2011, 00:04:46
Question for you OPEN headphone owners, especially Senn 595-650's and Beyerdynamic DT880's and similar...

Can you hear a phone ring easily with them on?

Would the sound leakage annoy someone over a 6ft cube wall in a moderately quiet office?

I'm thinking of trying opens so I'm not so shut out at the office but don't want to annoy anyone.  If its at a reasonable volume (Milton) I wouldn't be concerned and can't imagine them being that loud since I don't like damaging my ears.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 10 February 2011, 00:33:30
At a low-mid volume level (background listening), you can hear outside sounds easily and your coworkers won't hear the music.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: YpoCaramel on Sun, 13 February 2011, 01:11:45
Quote from: didjamatic;292705
Question for you OPEN headphone owners, especially Senn 595-650's and Beyerdynamic DT880's and similar...

Can you hear a phone ring easily with them on?

Would the sound leakage annoy someone over a 6ft cube wall in a moderately quiet office?

1. DT880 is semi-open. It does muffle a tiny bit, but otherwise it's a leaker both ways.
2. Yes, unless you're trying to blow out your ears with the music volume.
3. I assume you mean 6ft away, across a cubicle wall, not a 6-foot cubicle wall. They would likely hear something. I would generally advise a lightly sealed phone - something that doesn't isolate much (and less clamp), but doesn't leak much either (iirc the Denon D2/5/7000, the big Audio-Technicas). Alternatively, Sennheiser MX980 earbuds don't isolate much but don't leak.

I have K701, D5000 and ATH-ESW10JPN. I don't like the former two much.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Sun, 13 February 2011, 08:55:12
I have Ultimate Ears TripleFi's when I need complete isolation, they're perfect.  But I'm really enjoying the big sound of these Denon D2000's.  They don't clamp at all.  The look of the DT880/770 is great and their reviews are awesome and they look really comfortable.

By 6ft cube wall I meant it's 6ft high but there is in fact someone about 6ft away on the other side.  I'm thinking open or semi-open won't be a problem.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Z Overlord on Sun, 13 February 2011, 18:54:26
Asus Xonar Essence STX --> Sennheiser HD555
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: YpoCaramel on Sun, 13 February 2011, 20:52:29
Many open headphones and some closed ones would give you bigger imaging, I've never be impressed by the directionality of the D5000 and I assume the same for the D2000 (same driver, different housing iirc). Soundstage is ok in my book. Bass could stand to be much less muddy.

Yes, low clamp - that's why they don't isolate much at the same time :p trade-offs
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Mon, 14 February 2011, 05:51:11
somehow i just know i will get the new stax flagship. i wish i could quit this addiction.

it is stupid quite frankly because my loudspeaker system can best any headphones. period.
it is just harder to hord loudspeakers :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Mon, 14 February 2011, 06:39:29
Quote from: typo;294765
somehow i just know i will get the new stax flagship. i wish i could quit this addiction.

it is stupid quite frankly because my loudspeaker system can best any headphones. period.

So you've got the full blast of studio-level room treatment going on, plus a SBA/DBA, and speakers to match? Lucky man.
Quote from: typo;294765
it is just harder to hord loudspeakers :)

That definitely.

Have you looked into head tracking systems for headphones yet? A Smyth Realizer could deliver very good results when given a near-ideal room for setup. Seemingly a lot of studio folks like to use the thing since it allows them to take their accustomed working environment with them. Not sure how the bass level requirements are dealt with though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: audioave10 on Mon, 14 February 2011, 11:58:33
I haven't used headphones for years. The Sennheiser's I had back then were very good however. I may have to look into this again.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 14 February 2011, 12:47:06
Plantronics Gamecom 367

/ashamed

I bought them when I built my new PC in Oct, and haven't gotten a new pair since. I bought a set of Logitech Z506 speakers and they sound great, but I want better sounding music! I hesitate to buy any expensive headphones/sound systems without having the proper hardware in place. Can anyone recommend a good list of fairly cheap sound cards/amps (or do i need both?) I can use to make my music sound better? Or will I just not see a difference with the Logitech speakers I have??
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Mon, 14 February 2011, 13:41:27
Which board with what kind of onboard sound chip do you have? Something like an ALC889, set up properly, would work pretty much as well as anything.

I see a bunch of people complaining about audible hum with the Z-506 - does yours not have this problem? Apparently it's a bit sensitive to cellphone noise, too. SQ doesn't seem to be particularly outstanding either. Apparently a product in the tradition of other new Logitech speaker systems (i.e. disappointing compared to previous offerings).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 14 February 2011, 13:49:45
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO as far as my motherboard goes.

I don't have any humming issues with them. And my cellphone doesn't interfere much (keep it on my left hand side, on the other side of the pc, next to the balcony door). All-in-all best $69 I've ever spent (best buy had them mismarked...my win) on speakers.

When I bought them I wasn't expecting fantastic sound quality, just something to enjoy my music to. I use the bass a lot, as I listen to a lot of house (fitting as Tiesto is a distant cousin of mine :p) and hip-hop. I guess what I'm saying is how much will I have to spend to fit my system to have nice, clear bass and better sound quality with the speakers I already have. I think I'm limited to sound card/amp at this point??

The main reason I'm here, though, is for a good pair of head phones you guys can recommend to me based on what you know. The ones I have are crap. My brother's Razer Carcharias are nice, but I hear a lot of people on here complained about the quality. I have a $19 pair of Sennheisers that blow both my headphones, my brothers headphones, my speakers, and a friends Beats by Dre headphones away.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Mon, 14 February 2011, 14:18:26
That board has a VT1708... nothing particularly exciting, but it should get the job done output wise.

How much would you be willing to spend on cans?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 14 February 2011, 14:56:45
~US$100, I guess. Not really looking for something that will last forever. Something that has a mic for games and plays music well.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Mon, 14 February 2011, 15:21:38
So essentially you need a headset... not too many attractive offerings there. Whatever Sennheiser PC1xx fits your budget or a Beyer DT234Pro should be a decent option (though in case of the DT234Pro you have to be aware that it's the headset version of the DT231Pro/235 costing half as much), otherwise one may want to get a basic clip-on mic plus regular headphones. I'm a little surprised the guys at Headroom don't carry PC headsets, they only have phone jobs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 14 February 2011, 16:11:05
To be honest, I don't mind having to buy a separate mic. That way I'll be able to take the headphones with me without having a random cable waggling around, and a mic hanging out on the top of the headset.

With that in mind, what headphones do you recommend? Mic??

Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it :) I feel Amazon reviews can be slightly biased and welcome third-party reviews from a trusted source. Especially from a German, proven to be the most discerning consumers in the world :p
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: slueth on Mon, 14 February 2011, 17:02:09
I got an AKG 702, Pioneer HDJ 2000, a Razer Carcharias  and a couple cheap sony headphones that are broken.

I use the AKG 702 with my computer and the HDj 2000 on the go..
The hdj2000 is great on the bus and has some passive isolation.
 I only have the Razer Carcharias for the mic but it does sound good.
 The hdj-2000 are great for dance/electronica music and have an amazing build quality to it.  Magnesium alloy hinges, leathery pads, and foldaway make it great for on the go.
The AKG is not so great in the bass area but I boost the bass with the EQ.. It has a good sound stage that makes me sometimes forget if my speakers or playing or I am wearing headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 14 February 2011, 17:20:09
Quote from: slueth;295026
I got an AKG 702, Pioneer HDJ 2000, a Razer Carcharias  and a couple cheap sony headphones that are broken.

I use the AKG 702 with my computer and the HDj 2000 on the go..
The hdj2000 is great on the bus and has some passive isolation.
 I only have the Razer Carcharias for the mic but it does sound good.
 The hdj-2000 are great for dance/electronica music and have an amazing build quality to it.  Magnesium alloy hinges, leathery pads, and foldaway make it great for on the go.
The AKG is not so great in the bass area but I boost the bass with the EQ.. It has a good sound stage that makes me sometimes forget if my speakers or playing or I am wearing headphones.


You definitely don't half-ass your headphone purchases :p those AKG 702's look fantastic!

Now sell them to me. :wink:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Mon, 14 February 2011, 17:39:55
Quote from: .XL;295034
You definitely don't half-ass your headphone purchases :p those AKG 702's look fantastic!

Now sell them to me. :wink:


Yet a lot of people hate them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 14 February 2011, 19:35:11
Quote from: aynjell;295052
Yet a lot of people hate them.


...can I get some for free, then? I'll pay shipping :D

If it's the audio quality, I think I wouldn't mind...best pair of headphones I've ever owned are a $20 pair of Sennheisers.

If it's the looks...you don't need to look at the damn thing, it's on your head!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Mon, 14 February 2011, 20:18:46
Quote from: .XL;295140
...can I get some for free, then? I'll pay shipping :D

If it's the audio quality, I think I wouldn't mind...best pair of headphones I've ever owned are a $20 pair of Sennheisers.

If it's the looks...you don't need to look at the damn thing, it's on your head!


I'm sure the quality is fine, but it's very colored. It's not a studio monitor, that's for sure, despite akg marketing it as one. Most people whom have tried ended up not being able to translate to other things with it at all. Quincy Jones being the possibly for profit obvious exception.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Mon, 14 February 2011, 21:04:54
well, no. my speaker setup is actually very sub-par. they are high end but the room stinks. i personally enjoy them much more than all of my headphones though. many people might disagree.  i do collect upper end cans and i still prefer the speakers. thats just imo.
in fact if my speakers were properly setup they would no doubt be a lot better than they are now. i just got the headphone bug a long time ago and i do listen to them regularly. i sometimes switch back between the he90 or o2 and the speakers trying to decide the speakers are better but honestly i am not sure. it is not exactly a straight line comparison. two different animals. speakers and headphones, that. as i said i can't wait to get my hands on the new stax. i hope they live up to the hype.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Mon, 14 February 2011, 22:15:04
Quote from: typo;295186
well, no. my speaker setup is actually very sub-par. they are high end but the room stinks. i personally enjoy them much more than all of my headphones though. many people might disagree.  i do collect upper end cans and i still prefer the speakers. thats just imo.
in fact if my speakers were properly setup they would no doubt be a lot better than they are now. i just got the headphone bug a long time ago and i do listen to them regularly. i sometimes switch back between the he90 or o2 and the speakers trying to decide the speakers are better but honestly i am not sure. it is not exactly a straight line comparison. two different animals. speakers and headphones, that. as i said i can't wait to get my hands on the new stax. i hope they live up to the hype.


I use klipsch promedia 2.1. Need to get some type of sub isolator and some stands that work with them though. Otherwise I love them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 14 February 2011, 23:21:41
Here are a few that I found:

Sennheiser HD280 (http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-280-Pro-Headphones/dp/B000065BPB/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297746432&sr=1-1)

Audio Technica ATH A-700 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E9VKUQ/ref=s9_bbs_gw_d0_ir03?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1ZSYR5RGEW01ZJ0ZE9HA&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846)

What's the difference between these and the AD700's??

Sennheiser HD448 (http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD448-Closed-Circumaural-Headphone/dp/B002DGTGO0/ref=sr_1_20?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297746748&sr=1-20)

I asked this same question on a friends of mine's wall to see what he thought (big audiophile) and some 5 of his friends responded with Beats by Dre...waste of money ><
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Arc'xer on Mon, 14 February 2011, 23:27:46
Quote from: .XL;295220
Here are a few that I found:

Sennheiser HD280 (http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-280-Pro-Headphones/dp/B000065BPB/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297746432&sr=1-1)

Audio Technica ATH A-700 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E9VKUQ/ref=s9_bbs_gw_d0_ir03?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1ZSYR5RGEW01ZJ0ZE9HA&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846)

What's the difference between these and the AD700's??

Sennheiser HD448 (http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD448-Closed-Circumaural-Headphone/dp/B002DGTGO0/ref=sr_1_20?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297746748&sr=1-20)

I asked this same question on a friends of mine's wall to see what he thought (big audiophile) and some 5 of his friends responded with Beats by Dre...waste of money ><

All three are closed-back. Kinda strange on the HD448 since it looks open due to the grill on it but apparently it's closed. No one who is a "big audiophile" would even mention those.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 14 February 2011, 23:34:20
Quote from: Arc'xer;295223
All three are closed-back. Kinda strange on the HD448 since it looks open due to the grill on it but apparently it's closed. No one who is a "big audiophile" would even mention those.


I asked him what to get, he hasn't responded. These are all my picks. What's closed vs open back?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: slueth on Tue, 15 February 2011, 00:01:53
Heh. The AKG do look good but sound better.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kps on Tue, 15 February 2011, 10:00:34
Quote from: .XL;295226
What's closed vs open back?


This refers to the 'cans' over the ears.

Closed-back headphones have no openings, so they provide better sound isolation, in both directions. These are what you need for use in a cube or open office environment.

Open-back headphones have the back of the speaker open to the outside air in some way (usually behind a grille). This allows for better audio quality for the same cost.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Tue, 15 February 2011, 12:45:42
Quote from: slueth;295026
I got an AKG 702, Pioneer HDJ 2000, a Razer Carcharias  and a couple cheap sony headphones that are broken.

I use the AKG 702 with my computer and the HDj 2000 on the go..
The hdj2000 is great on the bus and has some passive isolation.
 I only have the Razer Carcharias for the mic but it does sound good.
 The hdj-2000 are great for dance/electronica music and have an amazing build quality to it.  Magnesium alloy hinges, leathery pads, and foldaway make it great for on the go.
The AKG is not so great in the bass area but I boost the bass with the EQ.. It has a good sound stage that makes me sometimes forget if my speakers or playing or I am wearing headphones.


I sure hope you're plugging the K702's to a proper headphone amp. You're missing half of the quality if not.

You might also be a bass junkie, and therefore you probably wouldn't like most other high end headphones either.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Tue, 15 February 2011, 13:16:49
AD700s are closed while A700s are open. Sound wise, the amount of bass seems to be different: While the closed versions are known to have a healthy amount, the open ones are a bit on the lighter side. Other than that, AT is a competent manufacturer.

HD280s are not bad closed cans for the price, though people tend to find them a little dry. Good isolation, a bit clampy.

Not sure about the HD448s... they seem to measure reasonably well but may be suffering from a bit of "hollow bird syndrome" (audible cavity resonance), as you'd expect from an open shell gone closed.

Open cans are more of a European thing, so many of the affordable open ones over here are quite spendy in the States. For Grados it's the other way round, so some SR-60s or Alessandro MS-1s would be worth looking at (be aware that build is about the polar opposite of what you'd see with, say, Sennheiser). They are more fun cans for rocking out than dead neutral, but that gets them a large enough following.
Quote from: db_Iodine;295563
I sure hope you're plugging the K702's to a proper headphone amp. You're missing half of the quality if not.
They're a low-medium impedance load with somewhat modest sensitivity, that's true. An opamp without a good bit of oomph under the hood may well break into sweat at higher levels. At least they're not very picky about output impedance.
Quote
You might also be a bass junkie, and therefore you probably wouldn't like most other high end headphones either.
K701s/702s exist in multiple versions with varying amounts of bass. Many are on the lighter side of things, and cranking the lows with such a sample doesn't automatically make someone a basshead. It would mean they had the wrong cans though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 15 February 2011, 13:31:21
If it's for gaming, I strongly suggest AD-700, A-700, or sennheiser HD555 with the 595 mod. Also, I've found that SR80i with bowls are pretty good for some games too, at least for games not demanding spatial awareness...

For non spatially aware games likes WoW, Sony MDR-V6. Isolation, and fun, they are perfect for a game with no spatial cues.

For spatially aware games, like quake 3, ATH-AD700 or HD555. I used to recommend the SRH840 but find them too cumbersome to game with and they're of all my cans the only ones falling apart. I'm disenchanted.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kill will on Tue, 15 February 2011, 13:40:56
sony mdr pro 7506 for life
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 15 February 2011, 13:47:07
Quote from: kill will;295603
sony mdr pro 7506 for life


The argument is that there is no difference between the two. Supposedly it amounts to a gold plated plug, and not much else.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 15 February 2011, 14:07:44
Thanks again for all the help guys. I think I'm going to go for the closed 'cans' then...a set of A700's are a good price and seem to be quite good quality. I'll use them when traveling, too, so I hope they're tough enough for that!

From what you said about the difference between closed and open...the closed seems a better fit for me because I'll have them on while on a plane/bus/metro and I like bass. So it's a win-win i think.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Tue, 15 February 2011, 15:18:10
Just don't cross streets with them on.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Tue, 15 February 2011, 15:41:10
Quote from: aynjell;295591
I used to recommend the 555 but find them too cumbersome to game with and they're of all my cans the only ones falling apart. I'm disenchanted.

They're no Beyers for sure. Cheap and cheerful ABS plastic rather than the much more flexible stuff found on previous generations. Let's hope the current series (558/598) will hold up better.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Tue, 15 February 2011, 15:49:50
Quote from: .XL;295618
Thanks again for all the help guys. I think I'm going to go for the closed 'cans' then...a set of A700's are a good price and seem to be quite good quality. I'll use them when traveling, too, so I hope they're tough enough for that!

ATs with their wings and stuff are neither compact nor extremely rugged. The collapsible HD280s would be a better match.
Quote from: .XL;295618
From what you said about the difference between closed and open...the closed seems a better fit for me because I'll have them on while on a plane/bus/metro and I like bass. So it's a win-win i think.

You'd be a candidate for DT770s... 'fraid they're a bit out of your budget though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 15 February 2011, 16:23:30
So, HD280 for portability, DT770 for best quality sound around my budget it seems?

I've got them both saved on Amazon. I'll get back to them later this month when I've got the cash. Found a $10 clip on mic on Amazon, too, that should do the job for gaming.

Damn you Geekhack. I've only been signed up for about a week and I've already dropped over $200...about to double that if I get the DT770's...

EDIT: How about a set of Beyerdynamic HD440 (http://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-DT-440-Premium-Headphones/dp/B000Y04OSU/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1297808646&sr=8-11) or Denon AH-D1100 (http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AH-D1100-Advanced-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B0042ETXRQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297808879&sr=1-2)?

EDIT2: Is a headphone amp even necessary? (FiiO E5 (http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-E5-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B001P9EQH8/ref=pd_sim_e_5))
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Arc'xer on Tue, 15 February 2011, 16:49:23
Quote from: keyb_gr;295580
AD700s are closed while A700s are open.


Other way around AD = open, A = closed.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 15 February 2011, 17:06:11
Quote from: keyb_gr;295664
They're no Beyers for sure. Cheap and cheerful ABS plastic rather than the much more flexible stuff found on previous generations. Let's hope the current series (558/598) will hold up better.


I mistyped. I meant the 840's by Shure. They're pretty bad about falling apart if my unit is any indication.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 15 February 2011, 17:21:15
DENON AH-D5000's!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 15 February 2011, 18:10:59
Quote from: panda-R;295715
DENON AH-D5000's!


If a $150 Ducky keyboard costs '10 tons of bamboo,' how many tons do these cost?? 40 tons?

...that's a lot of bamboo for you to part with.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 15 February 2011, 18:20:20
I've narrowed it down to the Audio-Technica MH50S, the Beyerdynamic DT440, the Beyerdynamic DT770, the AKG-K271MKII, and the Denon AH-D1100.

Which one is the best bang-for-your-buck headphones of this group? I'm going to get a cheap Zalman clip on mic to go with them for gaming.

PS - If anyone is willing to trade a nice set of headphones for a Razer Arctosa keyboard, Razer Mamba mouse, and a Gamecom 367 headset, PM me :wink:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: slueth on Tue, 15 February 2011, 19:09:28
Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by slueth View Post
I got an AKG 702, Pioneer HDJ 2000, a Razer Carcharias and a couple cheap sony headphones that are broken.

I use the AKG 702 with my computer and the HDj 2000 on the go..
The hdj2000 is great on the bus and has some passive isolation.
I only have the Razer Carcharias for the mic but it does sound good.
The hdj-2000 are great for dance/electronica music and have an amazing build quality to it. Magnesium alloy hinges, leathery pads, and foldaway make it great for on the go.
The AKG is not so great in the bass area but I boost the bass with the EQ.. It has a good sound stage that makes me sometimes forget if my speakers or playing or I am wearing headphones.
I sure hope you're plugging the K702's to a proper headphone amp. You're missing half of the quality if not.

You might also be a bass junkie, and therefore you probably wouldn't like most other high end headphones either.


I am using a halo claro sound card.  It has a built in headphone amp that goes up to 600 ohms.  
I only boost the bass on electronic music because it makes my head bob but when I am listening to like harmonica blues or vocals i change the EQ.  When I say its not great in the bass area i mean its not exaggerated like other headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 15 February 2011, 19:39:48
Quote from: .XL;295742
I've narrowed it down to the Audio-Technica MH50S, the Beyerdynamic DT440, the Beyerdynamic DT770, the AKG-K271MKII, and the Denon AH-D1100.

Which one is the best bang-for-your-buck headphones of this group? I'm going to get a cheap Zalman clip on mic to go with them for gaming.

PS - If anyone is willing to trade a nice set of headphones for a Razer Arctosa keyboard, Razer Mamba mouse, and a Gamecom 367 headset, PM me :wink:

If you go DT 770, make sure you get the lower ohm set unless you want to splash out on an appropriate amp also. If you don't, you'll end up getting approximately the worst possible value. if you want DT 770's you can plug into your sound card, your ipod, and your smart phone without requiring amplification, the 32 ohm is your best bet even if it's not as potentially good as the higher ohm models. The trouble with beyers is you have to figure out the best ohm rating for you. Personally I'd go 80 ohm. I find that cans at that ohm rating have low noise from portables, but good quality with your computer sound output. Just make sure they aren't the blacksheep of the range.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 15 February 2011, 19:44:52
Quote from: aynjell;295769
Just make sure they aren't the blacksheep of the range.

Not sure what you mean by this part.

I was planning on 'splurging' on one of these (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001P9EQH8/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=AFKH6OU9WWNFS) as well...hopefully it works fine :p

EDIT: Meaning to say, my choice was the 80Ohms. Unless one of the cheaper options is a better bang-for-your-buck. From online reviews, it looks like the ATM50S are the best headsets in this range.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 15 February 2011, 19:57:11
Quote from: .XL;295774
Not sure what you mean by this part.

I was planning on 'splurging' on one of these (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001P9EQH8/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=AFKH6OU9WWNFS) as well...hopefully it works fine :p

EDIT: Meaning to say, my choice was the 80Ohms. Unless one of the cheaper options is a better bang-for-your-buck. From online reviews, it looks like the ATM50S are the best headsets in this range.

The Fiio E5 will not drive that, it's honestly a waste. I sold mine for a few bucks, and never looked back. Just plug it into your sound card or buy an X-Fi or something. If you go 32 ohm anything will drive them, 80 ohm anything with a baseline level of testicular fortitude will do the job while having a cleaner more analytical sound if my experience with headphones with that ohm range is accurate. If you can spend money (like 500+ for a good amp) you can go for something like 300ohm or 600ohm.

otherwise stick with 32 or 80. But just make sure that there aren't reviews saying the 32 ohm or 80 ohm sound better, or that one of those models isn't just terrible or something. They're different products. I wouldn't be surprised if they differed in their performance to some degree.

That being said, without spending on an amp, you're limited to 80 ohm or 32 ohm. Read reviews on both and especially look for comparison articles. Pick the winner and be happy. It may be though that there isn't much benefit to teh DT770 32 ohm over the DT440 32 ohm or something. It really requires a great deal of reading.

As an example, I have one amp. The Little Dot I+, it's designed to drive the piss out of 32 ohm cans. So I'd probably go 32 ohm or 80 ohm to get respectable performance from the cans and the amp. DT770 600ohm will just sound terribad from my setup.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 15 February 2011, 20:41:40
By X-Fi do you mean something like this (http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Blaster-X-Fi-Surround-Refurbished/dp/B003P5IAFY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1297823917&sr=8-6)?

I'll get to work researching the DT770 and the ATMH50S then...which is good, because I need to take a break from researching international supply chains ><

Though on the upside, with the knowledge I gain I could help EK learn to stock keyboards faster than...never.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 15 February 2011, 20:56:36
Quote from: .XL;295792
By X-Fi do you mean something like this (http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Blaster-X-Fi-Surround-Refurbished/dp/B003P5IAFY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1297823917&sr=8-6)?

I'll get to work researching the DT770 and the ATMH50S then...which is good, because I need to take a break from researching international supply chains ><

Though on the upside, with the knowledge I gain I could help EK learn to stock keyboards faster than...never.



No, are you using a laptop? if so, this is your better bet:

http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Sound-Blaster-System-SB1240/dp/B004275EO4/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297824303&sr=1-4

If you have a desktop and have a PCI-Express X1 slot or better:

http://www.amazon.com/Creative-SB0886-Titanium-Fatal1ty-Professional/dp/B0018EFGTM/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297824345&sr=1-2

if you want the front bay (with headphone and mic ports and volume control) then this:

http://www.amazon.com/Express-Blaster-Titanium-Fatal1ty-Champion/dp/B001BDPLJA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1297824379&sr=1-1



There are many options, though no one particular option is the best for any given person.

I figure it this way, optical output from the X-Fi, with wasapi or with just plain old foobar output should perform as good as I'll ever hear. So I basically utilize my X-Fi as a transport. The only reason it's there over my onboard audio is that it handles spatial audio processing and offloads some of that load to my CPU, loads music faster, and does a few things better. Considering music and gaming are major parts of my life, it makes sense to meet in the middle somewhere...

For speakers, it goes:

X-Fi (stereo output) -> Klipsch Promedia 2.1

For headphones, it goes:
X-Fi (optical output) -> SD-793 Mini-DAC -> Little Dot I+ -> Whatever can I'm using.

I have "output stereo mix to optical" enabled so I can switch between the two without making any changes, and when gaming if I choose to use my headphones any and all output goes to both places, and by not using the optical as the default, I get all the features the X-Fi matters for. Also, when all I want is music, I can setup WASAPI in foobar and output to optical, so no other sound comes out, since windows default sound output is the stereo mix, it never makes it there since the optical output is locked down by WASAPI. Makes a good "kill switch" for everything else besides music, a lot of people argue there is some SQ improvements but I wouldn't dare start that argument here or anywhere else as I have no experience suggesting one way or the other.


Optical, ideally should give me the best possible sound quality if output to a good DAC. Arguably there is some merit to a better sound card, but realistically I won't ever spend enough in that card's lifetime for me to consider upgrading it. For now, it's as good as it'll get.


Basically, it's an EAX processor, a digital transport, a speaker output and many other things. It just does a lot of things well and based on my needs, it fits the bill perfectly.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 15 February 2011, 21:32:46
Maaan...I HAD to read this post while listening to Lloyd Banks -Start It Up. Now I'm going to make a second big spontaneous purchase of the night ><

I can only buy either the headphones or the X-Fi card though...

I think I'd get the usb one, seeing as I'll probably be doing a semester abroad in China next sem and won't bring my desktop with me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Tue, 15 February 2011, 22:14:12
for a first purchase i recommend grado sr80 or if you have more money beyer dt880 or k701/2. buying $30 headphones is just a let down. unless you just have no funds. i understand. i just wanted to state this because if i was told all i can do is keep one headphone that is under $300 it would be one of those.

i could argue the k701 is more accurate than the he90. of course accuracy is just one small part of the whole equation so that is really neither here nor there. i do think the k701 could be someones first and last headphone so long as they do not join head-fi.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Arc'xer on Tue, 15 February 2011, 22:31:59
I think a better option would either be the Xonar ST or STX. Albeit many who've done reviews on the ST vs STX lean towards the ST as providing the better sound. Except ST is PCI and STX is PCIe, so either you need a PCI bus or a PCIe to PCI converter. Although I haven't run into anyone using a converter may or may not work.

Both are able to drive headphone upward to 600ohms. And from what many have mentioned unless your willing to spend some good dough on external equipment the best bang for buck you'll get is the ST. Considering it uses some of the top parts on the market at a reasonable price point.

I mean sure external equipment would be great and all but again money, time, and research are going to be needed.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Tue, 15 February 2011, 23:37:51
Quote from: typo;294765
somehow i just know i will get the new stax flagship. i wish i could quit this addiction.

it is stupid quite frankly because my loudspeaker system can best any headphones. period.
it is just harder to hord loudspeakers :)

You have something that could best the Stax TOTL's?  What the heck do you have?  Those Stax reportedly sound like $100k stereo systems.

My best speakers are KEF Reference 203's I scored on local classifieds.  They weren't cheap but were a bargain compared to retail.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-sQ6TN93LvU/TU6pGse1klI/AAAAAAAABqk/0Ntcgl1jjRo/s800/KEF_203_maple.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 15 February 2011, 23:51:53
The Grados are okay, but I heard quality wise they weren't too great and break easy. Plus, I'm not a fan of on-ear, I much prefer circumaural.

It's between the AKG, the Denon, and the AT then. Thanks for all the help guys, I can take it from here ;)

Plus I can't afford a soundcard now, but when I can, I'll make sure to take a hard look between Xonar and X-Fi
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 16 February 2011, 12:09:47
The grados are some of the most well built cans out there. Honestly, I think I  wanna take the x-fi usb thing back. Want a cheap setup? here is what I reccomend:

Grado SR80i, buy bowl pads with it. trust me, it helps.

Buy the headroom bithead. It will work as a usb sound card, plus a high end amp and pairs perfectly with the SR80i with bowls. It's a really good combination and I heard a lot of synergy. Also grados don't break often, they're just really really simple.

http://www.headphone.com/headphone-amps/headroom-total-bithead.php

That's the amp I strongly suggest you buy if you get grados.

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/?mfnID=6

There are the grado line. Protip: the cheapest headphones aren't the worst. The iGrado is actually the same exact drivers of the SR60i, just that the wear style is different. I personally think the SR80i sound better enough to justify the price.

My reccomendation:

Bithead -> Grado SR80i (w/ bowl pads)

All together it'll cost you about 270$. I'd strongly suggest looking for a discount. I have this combo, I have personal experience with it. I'd sell you my bithead but it's my girlfriends main "hifi".

Also yes, I love grado. So maybe I'm biased. Me and the GF have 3 grado products: iGrado, SR80i, SR325is
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 15:17:50
I like that amp a lot...I love that it's batt powered, it should keep my macbook pro batt alive a while longer.

The problem I have with the Grado's is the 'on-the-ear' config. I can't stand on-the-ear 'cans,' I was ready to buy some beats solo a year ago, and tried them on, hated them after about 15 minutes of listening to music.

I'm assuming there's some comfortable models out there, but I think I'd prefer circumaural headphones, especially considering I'd use them a lot traveling, and don't want to disturb others.

That amp WILL be bought though...reviews are great...


EDIT:


Another question: What format should my music be in?? Most of it is in MP3, is it possible to switch to another format and gain quality or is quality lost once it's gone?? What program should I use to change the format of songs? I would use iTunes, but I've gotten to really dislike using it for anything. I feel like I'm just going to wipe my macbook and start clean, getting rid of all the crap I don't like, such as iTunes and iWeb, the whole iWork suite (MS Office just does the job better) and all of CS4 Extended. Should be good to have a fresh start :p

What's the best (free) music/media player for Macs, anyway? Is there a Foobar like program? I've got miro and vlc right now...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 15:23:45
Found a pair of AKG K172HD for $149, seems that they retail at places like Best Buy and Amazon for much more than that. Are they better than the AKG271MKII??
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 16 February 2011, 16:31:37
I like the Grados, but if you are looking for comfort and especially off-the-ears comfort they are not it.

MP3 files are lossy-compressed.  You can't get the data that has been removed back, so converting them to another format will only make them sound the same or worse.  MP3s are not necessarily bad; depends on how heavily compressed they are, and the music itself.  I'd listen to what you have and see how it sounds.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 16 February 2011, 16:57:16
I've been amazed at the difference a USB DAC makes even listening to 192k streams on Pandora (I bought the 1 year PandoraOne membership)  and I'm just using a FIIO E7 I got for $75 shipped.  Because of this, I can't imagine buying a headphone amp that doesn't have USB DAC functionality + portability if you're mobile.  Once you have that, then I'd consider a stationary headphone amp.  Thankfully it's a hot marketplace for headamps so there are many to choose from and the prices are coming down on many.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 16 February 2011, 17:20:24
Quote from: RoboKrikit;296328
I like the Grados, but if you are looking for comfort and especially off-the-ears comfort they are not it.

MP3 files are lossy-compressed.  You can't get the data that has been removed back, so converting them to another format will only make them sound the same or worse.  MP3s are not necessarily bad; depends on how heavily compressed they are, and the music itself.  I'd listen to what you have and see how it sounds.

I believe that the comfort level of Grados is sufficient with the plastic variety. The SR80i I suggested is so light on your ears that if you complain about discomfort you're a sissy. The bowls hurt only on the heavier Grados, the wooden and worse yet the aluminum (like my SR325i) are VERY uncomfortable with the bowls. For my 325is I use the Sennheiser HD414 pads, which offer a warmer sound and a greater level of comfort.

Also, Grados have a interesting headband design. The headband is actually a thin metal strip, but a sturdy one. This means you can pretty much custom tailor the fit of your grado headphones to your head by bending it; eg I have a bit of a cone head, so I bend two divits on the left and right of the center and this gives me a tight by very comfortable and reassuring fit. Now, the SR80i doesn't have the leather sheathe but this is easily fixable if you find that you want it, jmoney leather hand bands tend to be affordable.

Remember how I said I use the Sennhiser HD414 pads? Well there is a MYRIAD of pads available for grado headphones and they're all compatible. S (comfy), M (bowl), G (bagel), HD414 (sennheiser pad, about 5$ a set), etc. And there are more options for people who want to go deeper. Basically, if I had to say so, the single most customizable headphone on the market are any given grado product. Some cans respond better to some pads, and I wouldn't reccomend bagel pads on the SR80i for example, but bowls, any day of the week.

Quote from: didjamatic;296346
I've been amazed at the difference a USB DAC makes even listening to 192k streams on Pandora (I bought the 1 year PandoraOne membership)  and I'm just using a FIIO E7 I got for $75 shipped.  Because of this, I can't imagine buying a headphone amp that doesn't have USB DAC functionality + portability if you're mobile.  Once you have that, then I'd consider a stationary headphone amp.  Thankfully it's a hot marketplace for headamps so there are many to choose from and the prices are coming down on many.

The Bit-head I recommended offers all of this functionality. The batteries are the compromise here, unfortunately in that they are not recharged by the device. They use standard consumable batteries. You have easy access to them so it's pretty easy to swap batteries out. Whether or not the performance is acceptable with any type of recharge-able battery I don't know, never tried. Rechargeable batteries offer less current than non rechargeable, thus the compromise.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 17:53:11
Quote
Rechargeable batteries offer less current than non rechargeable, thus the compromise.


That's what I had read, that using rechargeable batteries lowers the quality of music.

Do you know of a USB amp (or is USB DAC the proper term?) that recharges when plugged in? I'd like this for the simple reason that I wouldn't have to buy tons of batteries (the one you linked me last 20hrs on 4 AA's). Then again, I'm really looking to just use this on my desktop for the time being, and when I study abroad in China I'm sure I'll be able to find plenty of AA's cheap.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 16 February 2011, 17:54:42
Quote from: aynjell;296354
I believe that the comfort level of Grados is sufficient with the plastic variety. The SR80i I suggested is so light on your ears that if you complain about discomfort you're a sissy. The bowls hurt only on the heavier Grados, the wooden and worse yet the aluminum (like my SR325i) are VERY uncomfortable with the bowls. For my 325is I use the Sennheiser HD414 pads, which offer a warmer sound and a greater level of comfort.

Also, Grados have a interesting headband design. The headband is actually a thin metal strip, but a sturdy one. This means you can pretty much custom tailor the fit of your grado headphones to your head by bending it; eg I have a bit of a cone head, so I bend two divits on the left and right of the center and this gives me a tight by very comfortable and reassuring fit. Now, the SR80i doesn't have the leather sheathe but this is easily fixable if you find that you want it, jmoney leather hand bands tend to be affordable.

Remember how I said I use the Sennhiser HD414 pads? Well there is a MYRIAD of pads available for grado headphones and they're all compatible. S (comfy), M (bowl), G (bagel), HD414 (sennheiser pad, about 5$ a set), etc. And there are more options for people who want to go deeper. Basically, if I had to say so, the single most customizable headphone on the market are any given grado product. Some cans respond better to some pads, and I wouldn't reccomend bagel pads on the SR80i for example, but bowls, any day of the week.


I have all of the Grado pads, the yellow Sennheiser pads, and an extra set of bowls that are taped.  The only ones that I'd say are comfortable are the Senn pads and the G-Cush (circumaural) pads, but the G-Cush IMO does not sound good on the SR80i or SR225i; highs too present, lows non-present.  My favorites are the bowls (taped or non-) or the flats.  I can wear them and I don't complain about it, but they're not especially comfortable.  There is a midpoint between comfortable and painful and that is where the Grados sit for me.  My ears are harder than average, so that probably doesn't help.  Adjusting the headband does help a bit.

The Denon D2000 I picked up last month, now that is comfortable!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 17:58:11
Quote from: RoboKrikit;296370


The Denon D2000 I picked up last month, now that is comfortable!


*checks amazon.com...*

Awww :(

How is this (http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-E7-Portable-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B003E6K1VK/ref=zg_bs_13880161_2) as compared to the bithead?? Seems a lot of people like this.

Looking at reviews, it seems the ATH-M50S is still my best bet. I'm 90% sure I'm sticking with that. Need to read a few more reviews to cement my decision.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 16 February 2011, 18:20:24
Quote from: .XL;296371
*checks amazon.com...*

Awww :(

How is this (http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-E7-Portable-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B003E6K1VK/ref=zg_bs_13880161_2) as compared to the bithead?? Seems a lot of people like this.

Looking at reviews, it seems the ATH-M50S is still my best bet. I'm 90% sure I'm sticking with that. Need to read a few more reviews to cement my decision.

I wish I could offer an opinion myself. I actually don't care for the sound of denon's, but I may have to try them again. The bithead has the option of simply powering it from USB, and for low impedance headphones this is sufficient. For high impedance headphones, you'll most likely prefer something of more testicular fortitude. For grados, it's wonderful. If the fiio e5 is any indication of the E7's performance, I probably would strongly dislike it. They in my opinion don't really offer anything past a volume control for line out from an iPod, whether this is true for the E7, I cannot say.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 16 February 2011, 18:27:26
Quote from: .XL;295739
If a $150 Ducky keyboard costs '10 tons of bamboo,' how many tons do these cost?? 40 tons?

...that's a lot of bamboo for you to part with.

I am the chairman of a bamboo production and harvesting conglomerate. The best part of it is being called the chairman.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 18:29:32
Quote from: aynjell;296382
I wish I could offer an opinion myself. I actually don't care for the sound of denon's, but I may have to try them again. The bithead has the option of simply powering it from USB, and for low impedance headphones this is sufficient. For high impedance headphones, you'll most likely prefer something of more testicular fortitude. For grados, it's wonderful. If the fiio e5 is any indication of the E7's performance, I probably would strongly dislike it. They in my opinion don't really offer anything past a volume control for line out from an iPod, whether this is true for the E7, I cannot say.

This is what I was thinking. The E5 is probably a strong indicator of the quality of the E7, and seeing as the E5 isn't very good I doubt the E7 is. The bithead seems like the better bet. Especially seeing as it can be powered by USB, which is what I was really hoping. The batteries would be good if I can get it hooked up to my ipod, though I'm a) thinking of selling it and b) not really looking forward to carrying the bithead strapped to the ipod.

The Denon D1100 seem like a good deal, but from what I've read the ATH-M50S outperform them, thought not by much. I'm not an audio expert so I doubt I'd be able to spot the different though. I think it comes down to looks at that point, and the ATH-M50S look better than the competition.

Quote from: panda-R
I am the chairman of a bamboo production and harvesting conglomerate. The best part of it is being called the chairman.  

In that case, Chairman Panda, I hope we can become steadfast friends, as I am somewhat lacking in bamboo at the moment.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 16 February 2011, 19:23:54
Quote from: .XL;296392
The E5 is probably a strong indicator of the quality of the E7, and seeing as the E5 isn't very good I doubt the E7 is.

Measurements (http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Various/FiiO%20E7%20vs.%20E5.htm) look pretty unconspicuous though, with a ruler-flat frequency response and pretty well-behaved distortion spectrum even into a rather heavy load. I'd say the E7 can drive most any ordinary cans, though it may run out of output volume with modestly sensitive 600 ohm samples (maximum output is about 2.2 Vrms, so you wouldn't get more than 97 dB SPL out of a K240M/DF).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 19:41:59
As a price compromise between the two, I found a NuForce Icon uDac (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003Y5FRNS/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A15OOFJ01NGILN) that seems to be pretty popular. It's a smaller unit than the other two we've mentioned, but apparently it's a big performer. I don't think it can be used with mobile devices, though, but at the price point of headphones I'm looking at I doubt any of them are powerful enough to warrant buying an amp for my ipod touch :p I'd rather just get a USB one for my laptop/pc.

The 80 hours of battery life and lithium-ion battery on the E7 still has me interested, even if the quality is ~E5 standards (which, as you pointed out, is probably not the case). Again, I don't have a trained ear for great amps so I don't know if I'd really be able to tell an okay amp from a good amp. It suffers less EMF than the bithead, which seems to be pretty prone to it, and is small enough to sit on my laptop and take with my ipod if i feel like carrying it around.

The NuForce on the other hand looks like a solid piece of equipment that will do well with both my laptop and desktop, that doesn't suffer much from EMF. So I guess it's a toss up between these two. Anyone have a quarter...?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: slueth on Wed, 16 February 2011, 20:04:07
Maybe XL, you should instead get a cheap penguin/altoids cmoy headphone amp and grab a grado.  Much cheaper and those cmoys often have rechargable batteries.
Not to mention how badass those tins look. Totally macgyver looking :biggrin:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-Cmoy-headphone-amp-Opamp-2227-Amplifier-/250774930116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6359c2c4#ht_2050wt_1139 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-Cmoy-headphone-amp-Opamp-2227-Amplifier-/250774930116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6359c2c4#ht_2050wt_1139)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 16 February 2011, 20:29:07
Quote from: .XL;296436
As a price compromise between the two, I found a NuForce Icon uDac (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003Y5FRNS/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A15OOFJ01NGILN) that seems to be pretty popular. It's a smaller unit than the other two we've mentioned, but apparently it's a big performer. I don't think it can be used with mobile devices, though, but at the price point of headphones I'm looking at I doubt any of them are powerful enough to warrant buying an amp for my ipod touch :p I'd rather just get a USB one for my laptop/pc.

The 80 hours of battery life and lithium-ion battery on the E7 still has me interested, even if the quality is ~E5 standards (which, as you pointed out, is probably not the case). Again, I don't have a trained ear for great amps so I don't know if I'd really be able to tell an okay amp from a good amp. It suffers less EMF than the bithead, which seems to be pretty prone to it, and is small enough to sit on my laptop and take with my ipod if i feel like carrying it around.

The NuForce on the other hand looks like a solid piece of equipment that will do well with both my laptop and desktop, that doesn't suffer much from EMF. So I guess it's a toss up between these two. Anyone have a quarter...?

I am seeing the nuforce at 250$. The bithead is 150$, and the E7 is 100$. Not sure how they're landing inbetween? Oooooh, the udac. Dur. I have no experience with it, to be honest.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 20:35:11
Quote from: slueth;296448
Maybe XL, you should instead get a cheap penguin/altoids cmoy headphone amp and grab a grado.  Much cheaper and those cmoys often have rechargable batteries.
Not to mention how badass those tins look. Totally macgyver looking :biggrin:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-Cmoy-headphone-amp-Opamp-2227-Amplifier-/250774930116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6359c2c4#ht_2050wt_1139 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-Cmoy-headphone-amp-Opamp-2227-Amplifier-/250774930116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6359c2c4#ht_2050wt_1139)


I can't find much about them online. Do you have personal experience with them?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 16 February 2011, 20:52:49
Quote from: .XL;296467
I can't find much about them online. Do you have personal experience with them?


A CMOY is like the lightsaber of every young audiophile jedi's path. It's usually your first amp, self built or not. Though you get way more props for building it yourself. But at that price there's no benefit to be honest. Just buy you a penguin and get a good set of cans. That does leave you without a dac but there are plenty of cheap dacs around.

Honestly though, if you're going cmoy, I'd go RA-1 clone instead. Granted it's not really nice, but it's an amp designed to run with grados, but similar in topology to a CMOY.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fanmusic-Mini-Portable-Battery-Headphone-Amplifier-RA1-/120642236301?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c16d66f8d

Also it's cheaper at about 2$ less since shipping is free. Couple it with the aforementioned dac and I'll wager you'll get top end performance from low impedance cans, especially grados which it was voiced for.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: JelinaNU on Wed, 16 February 2011, 21:36:13
So, I've been following this thread for a few days and am curious about something... How can I be certain that I would hear a difference if I did upgrade some of my equipment. Mind you, I definitely don't have the money to investigate at present, but it's a niggling question of mine. Understand that I work in the warehouse of a steel distributor. Before that I worked in a junkyard, preceded by a rock radio station and a racetrack. That is, it's very likely that my hearing is somewhat damaged.

The small amount of research that I've been able to do, this week, tells me that the source matters a great deal, regardless of the outlet.  I'm guessing that would require me to upgrade my on-board audio or buy some kind of DAC before an upgrade in headphones or speakers would be noticeable -- currently I'm running a set of Logitech X-530 speakers or a $30 Logitech gaming headset, as the mic is a necessity -- and spending ~$200 with that knowledge seems like an all-stop in my situation. Given too that most of my listening comes from gaming and podcasts, is it worth considering?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: slueth on Wed, 16 February 2011, 21:51:01
Um its not a product that is made by a "brand".. its more of a do it your self thing but there are premade ones by hobbiest.  It wad developed by Chu Moy and shared to the headphone people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMoy)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 16 February 2011, 22:59:54
I love the Denon D2000's enough that I will be watching for some D7000's.

As for the FIIO E7, you can get it here for $75 SHIPPED (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-FiiO-E7-Earphone-Headphone-Portable-Amplifier-/110639504749?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item19c2a0dd6d#ht_2120wt_1139) if you offer.  It charges via usb and has a lithium ion battery.  My only complaint is the jack quality but I would buy again.  Great intro head amp.

If the bithead takes AA's, spring for some Eneloops from Amazon and a good intelligent charger.  They cost but are great batteries with long shelf life and will save you in the long run.

The Fubar IV looks great, as do many others out there.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 23:04:28
Quote from: didjamatic;296518
I love the Denon D2000's enough that I will be watching for some D7000's.

As for the FIIO E7, you can get it here for $75 SHIPPED (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-FiiO-E7-Earphone-Headphone-Portable-Amplifier-/110639504749?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item19c2a0dd6d#ht_2120wt_1139) if you offer.  It charges via usb and has a lithium ion battery.  My only complaint is the jack quality but I would buy again.  Great intro head amp.

If the bithead takes AA's, spring for some Eneloops from Amazon and a good intelligent charger.  They cost but are great batteries with long shelf life and will save you in the long run.

The Fubar IV looks great, as do many others out there.


Hmm...washington dc...I he takes $75, I wonder if he'll take $60 and I pick it up? I live right outside DC
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 16 February 2011, 23:15:16
He declined an offer of $70 shipped before accepting $75.  You could try local pickup but most volume ebayers don't like local pickup.  Honestly $75 is an unbelievable deal for this amp.  It's cheaper than China sources.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 16 February 2011, 23:20:12
Quote from: didjamatic;296524
He declined an offer of $70 shipped before accepting $75.  You could try local pickup but most volume ebayers don't like local pickup.  Honestly $75 is an unbelievable deal for this amp.  It's cheaper than China sources.

I wish I had read this earlier...I offered 65 and 70, and now it won't let me offer a third time, saying I've bought too many of this item already ><

Edit: He declined $75. I guess he figured it was selling too cheap...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 16 February 2011, 23:46:32
I am from the mainland so i must support my mainland brothers in arms, audio-gd. My next purchase will be a audio-gd NFB-10ES fully balanced dac and full balanced amp. Panda's aren't known for their balance as they seem to have issues falling out of trees however this is the year 2011 and I'm going to change all that.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 17 February 2011, 07:30:26
Quote from: JelinaNU;296491
How can I be certain that I would hear a difference if I did upgrade some of my equipment.

The small amount of research that I've been able to do, this week, tells me that the source matters a great deal, regardless of the outlet.

Given too that most of my listening comes from gaming and podcasts, is it worth considering?


Headphones are important, source is even more important, the amp is well.. just get an amp that's strong enough to drive your cans. A lot of wankery is happening in the audiophile world. With more expensive headphones, you see diminishing returns. My old, ****ty headphones were almost as good as my expensive new Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro's. Less detail and less bass, that's it.

Games and podcasts are usually already lossy compressed. Not that this means a lot, I've yet to be able to separate (decent) lossy and lossless in a blind listening test. But if you're not a dedicated music-head, then I wouldn't go crazy on headphones. There are good ones even in a modest price range.

For example the Koss Porta Pro. They look like a horrible 80's remnant, but they have awesome sound for that price and a lifetime warranty. You don't need an amp for them, either.

http://www.headphone.com/selection-guide/top-picks.php

These guys are a bit more level-headed than the head-fi forum IMO.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Thu, 17 February 2011, 08:45:41
Quote from: godly_music;296651


I trust this man...if only from his name.

I guess I'll get the CMoy amp linked above for now, as well as the ATH-M50S. If I need a better one I can buy it. The ATH-M50S should work fine through my PC and laptop even without the amp, too.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 17 February 2011, 12:37:15
Quote from: .XL;296683
I trust this man...if only from his name.

I guess I'll get the CMoy amp linked above for now, as well as the ATH-M50S. If I need a better one I can buy it. The ATH-M50S should work fine through my PC and laptop even without the amp, too.


That's a good path to follow. I wouldn't start by upgrading, I'd start by diversifying. Buy what you want now, but then branch out.


Also, seriously consider the RA-1 clone. It's similarly cheap and would more than likely actually sound better.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Thu, 17 February 2011, 12:39:15
Quote from: aynjell;296779
That's a good path to follow. I wouldn't start by upgrading, I'd start by diversifying. Buy what you want now, but then branch out.


Also, seriously consider the RA-1 clone. It's similarly cheap and would more than likely actually sound better.


The only thing that kills me about this is I want the USB DAC for the random times I'll pop on CS, or to run my speakers through when I feel like laying down and blasting music over speakers.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 17 February 2011, 14:06:13
Quote from: .XL;296781
The only thing that kills me about this is I want the USB DAC for the random times I'll pop on CS, or to run my speakers through when I feel like laying down and blasting music over speakers.


The CMOY won't have that.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Thu, 17 February 2011, 15:09:57
Quote from: aynjell;296810
The CMOY won't have that.


I guess it's E7/bithead/nuforce or bust then.

On another note, I've decided on the Audio Technica M50S. My girlfriend's brother is a musician and recommended them over similar pricepoint Sennheisers, Denons, and AKGs. He did say, though, if I wanted to pick up a great pair of headphones and not worry too much about money the AKG 701s are a good idea. But yeah...money and all that jazz.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 17 February 2011, 17:00:45
Quote from: .XL;296858
I guess it's E7/bithead/nuforce or bust then.

On another note, I've decided on the Audio Technica M50S. My girlfriend's brother is a musician and recommended them over similar pricepoint Sennheisers, Denons, and AKGs. He did say, though, if I wanted to pick up a great pair of headphones and not worry too much about money the AKG 701s are a good idea. But yeah...money and all that jazz.


Be sure to let us know what you think.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: JelinaNU on Thu, 17 February 2011, 18:50:24
Quote from: godly_music;296651
Games and podcasts are usually already lossy compressed. Not that this means a lot, I've yet to be able to separate (decent) lossy and lossless in a blind listening test. But if you're not a dedicated music-head, then I wouldn't go crazy on headphones. There are good ones even in a modest price range.


Thank you, GM. Your post was quite helpful. The only other issue that I can see is that my need for a mic apparently cuts the potential pool by a massive percentage. While I noticed that there are a solid number of in-ear headphones that are iPhone compatible (and therefore have a mic), I'm going to assume that the mic is of the kind that one has to hold to their mouth when speaking. That's no joy for gaming over Ventrilo.

Certainly the various gaming peripheral companies (e.g. Razer and Steelseries) have "gaming" headsets; I tend to think they're a lot of money for a lot of flash, though. I fell into that trap a few years ago when I bought my Death Adder, a Tarantula keyboard, a pair of Razer Barracuda headphones. The Death Adder I swear by. The other two were fragile, ill-functioning wastes. Razer mice withstanding, I probably won't touch another "gaming" product unless the cries of its greatness penetrate the heavens.

...

Man, this audio business is far more complicated than my foray into mechanical keyboards.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Thu, 17 February 2011, 18:58:38
Quote from: JelinaNU;296952
Thank you, GM. Your post was quite helpful. The only other issue that I can see is that my need for a mic apparently cuts the potential pool by a massive percentage. While I noticed that there are a solid number of in-ear headphones that are iPhone compatible (and therefore have a mic), I'm going to assume that the mic is of the kind that one has to hold to their mouth when speaking. That's no joy for gaming over Ventrilo.

Certainly the various gaming peripheral companies (e.g. Razer and Steelseries) have "gaming" headsets; I tend to think they're a lot of money for a lot of flash, though. I fell into that trap a few years ago when I bought my Death Adder, a Tarantula keyboard, a pair of Razer Barracuda headphones. The Death Adder I swear by. The other two were fragile, ill-functioning wastes. Razer mice withstanding, I probably won't touch another "gaming" product unless the cries of its greatness penetrate the heavens.

...

Man, this audio business is far more complicated than my foray into mechanical keyboards.


You can always get a great pair of headphones for music listening, and strap one of these (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00029MTMQ/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER) to them when you plan on gaming. That's what I'm going for. I'm not really worried about having the best quality mic, and I speak pretty loudly anyway, so it seems like the best of both worlds really. And it's really cheap!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 17 February 2011, 19:15:48
Funny, that's just the mic I bought too. Headsets usually sound bad. The only downside with the Zalman is that it won't fit on the thin (typical for cheap) headphone cables.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 17 February 2011, 20:11:51
Quote from: godly_music;296966
Funny, that's just the mic I bought too. Headsets usually sound bad. The only downside with the Zalman is that it won't fit on the thin (typical for cheap) headphone cables.

Fits fine on most "reccomended" headphones for gaming, however. ATH-AD700, MDR-V6, Grado SR80i, HD555, etc. Almost everything I've ever used for gaming it works well with. But hey, we're not really the sort to buy "cheap" stuff, are we?

It's what I use when I can find the darned thing.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: shortround on Fri, 18 February 2011, 16:20:34
I just recently picked up the Astro a40 system.  Although they seem to have mixed reviews, they are great so far for my needs.  I bought them mostly for gaming, but will use them for a lot of movies too.  I like how they're compatible with just about anything, and extremely comfortable (which means a lot to me).  I'm running Gran Turismo 5 B-spec right now in fact.  

(An online image):

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Q0l%2BGW%2B6L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NAVIWORLDINC on Sun, 20 February 2011, 17:11:07
Wow... I have been gone so long... But look my thread lives on... I need to stay around geekhack more often... ^__^
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Sun, 20 February 2011, 21:34:43
i have some ultra high end phones and a exceptionally high end loud speaker system. let's just leave it at that. i do not really want to get into the specifics.

i guess it would be a toss up between the he90 and the speakers. either is more than good enough.

the funny thing is have had nimwit's a/b with bose and they exclaimed "they both sound like headphones". lol.

it is like a cigar or irish single malt whiskey. you have to have the ability to realise the difference.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Sun, 20 February 2011, 21:47:25
Quote from: typo;298576
i have some ultra high end phones and a exceptionally high end loud speaker system. let's just leave it at that. i do not really want to get into the specifics.

i guess it would be a toss up between the he90 and the speakers. either is more than good enough.

the funny thing is have had nimwit's a/b with bose and they exclaimed "they both sound like headphones". lol.

it is like a cigar or irish single malt whiskey. you have to have the ability to realise the difference.


...i think he's trying to communicate...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: manfaux on Sun, 20 February 2011, 22:07:47
Nice thread here! as I just tossed my shabby Stelseries headphones out of my window, I am now in desperate need of another pair of good headphones.

As I know nothing about audio devices whatsoever, I will list some of the features I desire and hopefully you guys can give me an idea of what to get:

- I'm planning to use them on my PC (which has an external USB sound card connected to it) and mainly just for listening to all kinds of music, I don't care about gaming.
- Comfort is my top priority, I want it to be well-made with decent materials, and as light as possible
- I prefer an open-ear design, is that what they are called? open-ear? any way, I want to be able to hear my surroundings with them on

that's about it, my budget is $500, what headphones am I looking at?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Sun, 20 February 2011, 22:47:15
Quote from: manfaux;298592
Nice thread here! as I just tossed my shabby Stelseries headphones out of my window, I am now in desperate need of another pair of good headphones.

As I know nothing about audio devices whatsoever, I will list some of the features I desire and hopefully you guys can give me an idea of what to get:

- I'm planning to use them on my PC (which has an external USB sound card connected to it) and mainly just for listening to all kinds of music, I don't care about gaming.
- Comfort is my top priority, I want it to be well-made with decent materials, and as light as possible
- I prefer an open-ear design, is that what they are called? open-ear? any way, I want to be able to hear my surroundings with them on

that's about it, my budget is $500, what headphones am I looking at?


Came over here from my recommendation? Heheh...you came to the right place! These guys are great ;)

Remember those AT headphones I said I bought? I cancelled the order. I came through some money on eBay and I'm looking at the AKG701 (http://www.amazon.com/AKG-K-701-WHITE-HEADPHONES/dp/B000EBBJ6Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298263429&sr=8-1) again. They look great...lot's of people have love for them, and they're fantastic for the price. If I had $500 I'd go for them and save the rest :p
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: manfaux on Sun, 20 February 2011, 23:04:52
Quote from: .XL;298605
Came over here from my recommendation? Heheh...you came to the right place! These guys are great ;)

Remember those AT headphones I said I bought? I cancelled the order. I came through some money on eBay and I'm looking at the AKG701 (http://www.amazon.com/AKG-K-701-WHITE-HEADPHONES/dp/B000EBBJ6Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298263429&sr=8-1) again. They look great...lot's of people have love for them, and they're fantastic for the price. If I had $500 I'd go for them and save the rest :p


that AKG looks great, shape/size look perfect, is AKG a reputable brand? I've heard of them but not familiar with the brand at all.

now come to think of it, are wireless headphones any good? As long as they aren't too heavy I think I could use some less cords on my dekstop.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Sun, 20 February 2011, 23:22:16
Quote from: manfaux;298614
that AKG looks great, shape/size look perfect, is AKG a reputable brand? I've heard of them but not familiar with the brand at all.

now come to think of it, are wireless headphones any good? As long as they aren't too heavy I think I could use some less cords on my dekstop.


In my internet travels I have heard high praise of AKG. I think they're definitely a safe bet.

I wouldn't go with wireless...I doubt the sound quality would be as good. And no one say ya had to keep the headphones always plugged in...the AKG come with a really cool stand you can display them on next to your pc.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: manfaux on Mon, 21 February 2011, 11:02:13
Quote from: .XL;298622
In my internet travels I have heard high praise of AKG. I think they're definitely a safe bet.

I wouldn't go with wireless...I doubt the sound quality would be as good. And no one say ya had to keep the headphones always plugged in...the AKG come with a really cool stand you can display them on next to your pc.


Ya the last time I had a wireless headphone was a while ago and it was awfully heavy with horrid battery life, guess the sound quality isn't as good either?

does that AKG 701 have an open ear design?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 21 February 2011, 12:00:32
Quote from: manfaux;298784
Ya the last time I had a wireless headphone was a while ago and it was awfully heavy with horrid battery life, guess the sound quality isn't as good either?

does that AKG 701 have an open ear design?


Yeah it's open ear, but you need a good amp to power it apparently...puts me out of the running for one :/ Back to the ATHM50S...not that i'm sad about it or anything ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Mon, 21 February 2011, 12:34:12
the k701 can be powered very nicely by the ps audio gcha which is now half price for $499. it was well worth the original $1,000 imo.

there are some other amps which are even less money and will do it good. there are the chinese amps from pacific valve sound very nice but sometimes they explode lol.

the gcha and k701/2 is a reference quality system imo. not the finest there is but darn good.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Mon, 21 February 2011, 13:53:26
Quote from: typo;298827
the k701 can be powered very nicely by the ps audio gcha which is now half price for $499. it was well worth the original $1,000 imo.

there are some other amps which are even less money and will do it good. there are the chinese amps from pacific valve sound very nice but sometimes they explode lol.

the gcha and k701/2 is a reference quality system imo. not the finest there is but darn good.


Which amps are you talking about specifically?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 21 February 2011, 14:20:13
Quote from: typo;298827
the k701 can be powered very nicely by the ps audio gcha which is now half price for $499. it was well worth the original $1,000 imo.

there are some other amps which are even less money and will do it good. there are the chinese amps from pacific valve sound very nice but sometimes they explode lol.

the gcha and k701/2 is a reference quality system imo. not the finest there is but darn good.


Reading your comment made me think of this scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nyvh5wzE_g#t=8m00s) in the movie Infernal Affairs hahah...great movie!

If any of you haven't watched it yet...go. Now.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: manfaux on Mon, 21 February 2011, 15:32:02
I'm not familiar with these headphone amps, do they work the same way as an USB sound does? $499 sounds expensive for just the amp... leaves me $1 for headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Mon, 21 February 2011, 15:45:41
Quote from: ripster;298952
Using a amp with most consumer headphones is like the difference between Dark Blue/Light Blue Cherry MX and Dark Brown/Light Brown Cherry MX.

In other words not much but fun to argue about.


I can't agree here at all. Even low end headphones get much clearer sound with a decent headphone amp. And with higher end consumer headphones like the AKG K701 the difference between amp and no amp is like night and day.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Mon, 21 February 2011, 16:14:48
Quote from: manfaux;298949
I'm not familiar with these headphone amps, do they work the same way as an USB sound does? $499 sounds expensive for just the amp... leaves me $1 for headphones.


You can go for this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003Y5FRNS/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A15OOFJ01NGILN) usb dac which has received high reviews and praise. Alternatively, this one (http://www.headphone.com/headphone-amps/amplifiers/headroom-total-bithead.php) has received lots of praise on here and other places (head-fi I think). Which one is the best, I have no clue, but combining one of these with the AKG701 will give be great and save you ~$90.

I'm stuck in between the two, I'll be re-ordering my ATH-M50S later today and I'll give my self a couple weeks to decide which usb dac to go for :p
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 21 February 2011, 16:24:53
The GCHA (http://www.psaudio.com/ps/products/detail/gcha-headphone-amplifier) has been out for 5 years and lately there is a lot of competition out there.  How does it compare to more recent amps?  I see it's balanced, Class A so that's good.  But I have to wonder about the prices of some head amps when you can get excellent receivers for less money.  (Assuming you're not looking at portable headamps)  It seems any receiver that lacks HDMI can be picked up for next to nothing.  The model I want goes for aroun $700-800 on ebay and was over $5k a few years ago.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Mon, 21 February 2011, 20:57:55
i personally think the gcha is the best thing going for $499. it has balanced now but it is now made in china as well. i have a cullen gcha that is amongst the best ss amps there are imo.

as for the chinese amps you should know something about electronics if you opt for one of those. many examples have been unsafe to the point of exploding. i am not making that up. of course there was singlepower blowing up as well. i like to stick with companies that are known to be legit.

i am highly skilled with electronics. i took 3 years to build my tube amp and i feel there exists nothing better currently. i will not share or sell the design sorry.
some rsa and ttvj pinnacle are all that comes close to mine imo.

i think $500 is where serious amps start out if you get the right one. it does not have to be the gcha. it does have usb though. the dac1 usb is three times the money but probably better sound mainly due to the dac in it. i feel if you get a new amp for $100-$200 you are either taking a safety risk or it just won't sound any better than an av receiver.

as for av receivers, the headphone pcb generally sucks across the board in those.

i am not completely sure about what you get for what money at the entry level.
i have not used those in years.

i also feel to get $400 headphones unamped is a big waste of money.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 21 February 2011, 21:49:12
Do you use a portable headamp?

Also, seen the HLLY DMK-IV (http://cgi.ebay.com/HLLY-HIGH-END-DMK-IV-DAC-USB-Headphone-AMP-Pre-AMP-/250548484485?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a55da7985#ht_8819wt_1039)?  I know the HLLY group is unpopular for knocking off the LittleDot amps but the DMK-IV seems popular.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 22 February 2011, 01:50:56
That was the one place I thought was safe from knock offs... chinese audio gear. But nope.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 22 February 2011, 10:24:41
Quote from: aynjell;299210
That was the one place I thought was safe from knock offs... chinese audio gear. But nope.


If you ever go to Hong Kong they have some REALLY good knockoffs. Made in Hong Kong by electrical engineers in their spare time using expensive tube amps as their 'inspiration.' These knockoffs are hand made, good or better quality as $5000 tube amps, for somewhere around $800USD. A fantastic deal if you live in Hong Kong, but I wouldn't want to risk transporting them!

Source: Audiophile friend who lives 3 months a year in Hong Kong
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 22 February 2011, 10:42:53
Quote from: ripster;299335
I said most consumer headphones.

These days I go for convenience so I can pick up music anywhere in the house.  Nobody sits in their living room listening to music any more - that's why HiFi is turning into an Old Doods hobby.



GET EEEMMMM

I wouldn't want to sit in my living room just listening to music either...that'd be a rare occurence. That's where the appeal in the USB DAC lies...plug it into your laptop or any computer wherever you are and enjoy. Nice for riding the bus, metro, or just waiting in between classes. More bang-for-your-buck IMO.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Tue, 22 February 2011, 10:55:52
Quote from: ripster;299346
FLAC over Wifi.

Settle for no less.  And jitter my ass.

As mythical as the key transposition errors on my Filco Zero.


And if you were one of those rare-breed of Geekhackers that leaves their house every now and then, what should you do?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Tue, 22 February 2011, 11:05:12
PandoraOne membership for commercial-free 192k streams
Ipod/Zune or other w/high quality or lossless music
One of many portable headamps with USB DAC's built in < this is where I'm researching.

Though honestly, my triplefi 10's are fantastic straight out of an iphone/ipod and no hassle of 12ft cables that are on many premium headphones.


Quote from: .XL;299333
If you ever go to Hong Kong they have some REALLY good knockoffs. Made in Hong Kong by electrical engineers in their spare time using expensive tube amps as their 'inspiration.' These knockoffs are hand made, good or better quality as $5000 tube amps, for somewhere around $800USD. A fantastic deal if you live in Hong Kong, but I wouldn't want to risk transporting them!

Source: Audiophile friend who lives 3 months a year in Hong Kong

This can be true, but you need to know what you're getting or know someone you trust to make a recommendation.  The difference of 1 cap or solder joint can make or break you.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Tue, 22 February 2011, 11:30:16
Quote from: ripster;299358
Well, you could stream from home as well.

But I just  grab a Sansa Clip and  a $12 Phillips over the ears (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Neckband-Headphones-SHS5200-28/dp/B003CJTR8M/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1) (I look like a dork but so does every other Hipster in town with huge cans).  Buy a bunch - the jack will crap out in a few years but at $12 the performance/price ratio can't be beat.
Show Image
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41wdL0mOimL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)


 My iPod Touch hates my Shure SE530s - the noise floor is terrible (I assume due to an impedence mismatch).

Plus my motto is always match the headphones to the source and usage.


I can't stand wearing that kind of headphones for longer than 10 minutes.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Wed, 23 February 2011, 01:08:39
well it is strange about china. what you generally see for consumers usually spells low quality. or even disaster. there are some chinese amps that are original designs and are of  exceptionally high quality. they sell for 5 grand but compete with 20 grand amps! for instance xindak. the 840 series of cambridge audio is going to outperform anything in'ts price range but it can't count as wholly chinese. it is assembled in china. nad, same thing. there are  other very high end chinese products but the names escape me at the moment.

the problem with the china only imported amps is someone has to change the xformer etc. that is where it all goes downhill with these outfits. besides china does not hold companies liable like other countries afaik. i think there are some very nice cheap amps like this. i am capable of checking under the hood if you will. if you are not i'd forget those.

i am certainly not afraid to buy the right chinese products.

as asked: no, i do not use a portable amp. as none of my cans are portable. in the truest sense of the term. try wearing the he90/hev90 "orpheus". :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Carefoot on Wed, 23 February 2011, 04:55:25
I am rocking some AKG-701s.  They are pretty.

(http://toilville.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/AKG-K701-big-300x300.jpg)

Can't lie however I want myself a pair of Seinheisers just so I can swap out the sound scape when these sick baller cats get boring for my ears.  Warning that these headphones crave .FLAC and anything less will rape your ears.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 23 February 2011, 06:57:05
Has anyone hear tried out/have any electrostatic earspeaker/headphones systems? I've been looking into some for my next upgrade.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 23 February 2011, 11:39:52
Quote from: typo;299692
well it is strange about china. what you generally see for consumers usually spells low quality. or even disaster. there are some chinese amps that are original designs and are of  exceptionally high quality. they sell for 5 grand but compete with 20 grand amps! for instance xindak. the 840 series of cambridge audio is going to outperform anything in'ts price range but it can't count as wholly chinese. it is assembled in china. nad, same thing. there are  other very high end chinese products but the names escape me at the moment.

the problem with the china only imported amps is someone has to change the xformer etc. that is where it all goes downhill with these outfits. besides china does not hold companies liable like other countries afaik. i think there are some very nice cheap amps like this. i am capable of checking under the hood if you will. if you are not i'd forget those.

i am certainly not afraid to buy the right chinese products.

as asked: no, i do not use a portable amp. as none of my cans are portable. in the truest sense of the term. try wearing the he90/hev90 "orpheus". :)


Actually most of the products I would be buying (little dot, audio-gd, you know... trusted chinese companies) from wouldn't require one to change a transformer, they come with the right one.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 23 February 2011, 11:44:58
Quote from: db_Iodine;298958
I can't agree here at all. Even low end headphones get much clearer sound with a decent headphone amp. And with higher end consumer headphones like the AKG K701 the difference between amp and no amp is like night and day.

Maybe it is helpful to give a little background on what makes headphones "fussy". There are several different factors:

1. Impedance variation. Will lead to bent frequency response due to interaction with output impedance. Sound will be "right" for a narrow range of output impedance values only. For example, Sennheiser HD598s (60 ohms min, 280 ohms max) sound right on a plain ol' Clip (<<10 ohms), while a typical integrated amp output jack (330..470 ohms) turns them into basshead cans with a 10 dB boost around 80 Hz. Multi-driver BA IEMs can be even worse - a Super.fi 5Pro's impedance response looks like a rollercoaster with a maximum of over 80 and a minimum of only 8 ohms. They better be optimized for some non-zero output impedance, 'cause otherwise it would take 1 ohm or less for a deviation of under 1 dB. By contrast, something like a lowly Sennheiser CX300 (in spite of its 16 ohms) or a 250 ohm Beyer DT880 are far less critical. I have recently added some impedance data and calculation for FR deviation to the headphone sensitivity table (http://stephan.win31.de/sensitivity.ods).

2. Low impedance and modest sensitivity at the same time, making an amp break into sweat more easily. K701s, for example, and orthodynamics even more so. In return, those aren't too fussy about output impedance.

3. Very high impedance can be a problem if output voltage swing just isn't too big. Some Euro-capped MP3 players can barely drive reasonably sensitive fullsize cans like my old HD590s (~110 dB SPL / 1 Vrms) to acceptable volumes, while my Rockbox'd Clip gets 600 ohm cans reasonably loud.

Oh, and ripster may want to look at a current-generation (4G) Touch. Along with the iPhone 4G, they are supposed to be near noiseless (noticeably better than a Clip+, which is not a slouch to begin with).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 23 February 2011, 12:25:49
Quote from: keyb_gr;299867
Maybe it is helpful to give a little background on what makes headphones "fussy". There are several different factors:

1. Impedance variation. Will lead to bent frequency response due to interaction with output impedance. Sound will be "right" for a narrow range of output impedance values only. For example, Sennheiser HD598s (60 ohms min, 280 ohms max) sound right on a plain ol' Clip (<<10 ohms), while a typical integrated amp output jack (330..470 ohms) turns them into basshead cans with a 10 dB boost around 80 Hz. Multi-driver BA IEMs can be even worse - a Super.fi 5Pro's impedance response looks like a rollercoaster with a maximum of over 80 and a minimum of only 8 ohms. They better be optimized for some non-zero output impedance, 'cause otherwise it would take 1 ohm or less for a deviation of under 1 dB. By contrast, something like a lowly Sennheiser CX300 (in spite of its 16 ohms) or a 250 ohm Beyer DT880 are far less critical. I have recently added some impedance data and calculation for FR deviation to the headphone sensitivity table (http://stephan.win31.de/sensitivity.ods).

2. Low impedance and modest sensitivity at the same time, making an amp break into sweat more easily. K701s, for example, and orthodynamics even more so. In return, those aren't too fussy about output impedance.

3. Very high impedance can be a problem if output voltage swing just isn't too big. Some Euro-capped MP3 players can barely drive reasonably sensitive fullsize cans like my old HD590s (~110 dB SPL / 1 Vrms) to acceptable volumes, while my Rockbox'd Clip gets 600 ohm cans reasonably loud.

Oh, and ripster may want to look at a current-generation (4G) Touch. Along with the iPhone 4G, they are supposed to be near noiseless (noticeably better than a Clip+, which is not a slouch to begin with).


I know this from personal experience. my I+ can drive HD800's but not HD580's. The HD800's and HD580's have the same impedance, but marginally different sensitivities.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 23 February 2011, 14:02:11
Quote from: aynjell;299877
I know this from personal experience. my I+ can drive HD800's but not HD580's. The HD800's and HD580's have the same impedance, but marginally different sensitivities.
But how can a few dBs make such a difference? Nominally their sensitivity should even be the same, and impedance differs by maybe 10%.

And a headphone amp that can't drive HD580s, the quintessential "OMG you need an amp!!!1" cans back in the day (and, to be honest, hardly an extremely critical load)? What did they construct that one for, martians? Or do you merely have a very quiet source?
Apparently the LD I+ has an opamp gain stage and output buffer with reasonably beefy transistors, which at least on paper seems OK and not something to fail driving a measly HD580. Of course it still has the tube stage, thus the THD+N of .2% @ 1 Vrms and .6% at 3 Vrms, so distortion will be higher for higher-impedance, lower-sensitivity cans. Still, 1 Vrms should be plenty loud on '580s, and 0.2% with a presumably 2nd-order-dominated distortion spectrum isn't anything tragic by any means.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 23 February 2011, 14:02:16
Just got my ATH-M50 in the mail! I ended up ordering the M50 instead of the M50S, the extra stretch seemed like it might come in handy.

I'm listening to them right now, they sound great! I can really feel the bass, and I'm picking up sounds in songs I love that I hadn't heard before. I'm a true believer now :p And this is all with onboard audio LOL so I'm only assuming it just gets better from here :p

I'll make sure to run some white and pink noise through them too to burn them in correctly.

I have two issues with the headphones:
1.) The earpieces swivel really easily when you grab them. With conscious effort this doesn't matter, and I'm sure I'll eventually get to the point where I just naturally grab them without issue.
2.) They are a little tight. I don't have a huge head, but it's fairly big. The band has plenty of flex to it, so I'm sure after some wear it'll loosen up.

Thanks for the help guys! I'm very happy with my purchase. I'm looking forward to 'discovering' my music like never before :p
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 23 February 2011, 14:31:12
Quote from: keyb_gr;299918
But how can a few dBs make such a difference? Nominally their sensitivity should even be the same, and impedance differs by maybe 10%.

And a headphone amp that can't drive HD580s, the quintessential "OMG you need an amp!!!1" cans back in the day (and, to be honest, hardly an extremely critical load)? What did they construct that one for, martians? Or do you merely have a very quiet source?
Apparently the LD I+ has an opamp gain stage and output buffer with reasonably beefy transistors, which at least on paper seems OK and not something to fail driving a measly HD580. Of course it still has the tube stage, thus the THD+N of .2% @ 1 Vrms and .6% at 3 Vrms, so distortion will be higher for higher-impedance, lower-sensitivity cans. Still, 1 Vrms should be plenty loud on '580s, and 0.2% with a presumably 2nd-order-dominated distortion spectrum isn't anything tragic by any means.


based on your statements I have a hard time believing you know what you're talking about.

The I+ gives approximately 150mw to 300ohms, and barely approaches listenable volumes at full volume pot. My source is not quiet, it's actually quite loud. An ipod headphone manages to be quieter than my source. The closest I can get to actually driving my 580's is plugging them into the headout of my klipsch speakers. oh well, I'll be getting a FUN soon, and it should drive everything I've got with aplomb. :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 23 February 2011, 14:45:23
Quote from: .XL;299920
I'm listening to them right now, they sound great! I can really feel the bass, and I'm picking up sounds in songs I love that I hadn't heard before.

A quote commonly heard from those picking up their first decent headphones. ;) The second time usually is when upgrading to a top-class open dynamic model. (Speaking of which, the "natural" upgrade path to ATH-M50s would seem to be HD650s.)

Another side-effect typically is that you start listening to things that never struck you as very attractive before.
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I'm a true believer now :p And this is all with onboard audio LOL so I'm only assuming it just gets better from here :p

ATH-M50s aren't terribly picky and quite sensitive, so anything that doesn't mind their low-ish impedance should drive them pretty well. Unless you already have top-class onboard audio (like a decent ALC889 implementation), a $50-ish soundcard should bring another small improvement.
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2.) They are a little tight. I don't have a huge head, but it's fairly big. The band has plenty of flex to it, so I'm sure after some wear it'll loosen up.

Closed cans have to be somewhat tight for best isolation, no way around that. At least these big circumaurals are reasonably comfortable, their mid-sized supraaural cousins can be quite bad since they press on the ears themselves.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 23 February 2011, 16:33:19
Quote from: keyb_gr;299939
(Speaking of which, the "natural" upgrade path to ATH-M50s would seem to be HD650s.)


They're not closed though :/

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Closed cans have to be somewhat tight for best isolation, no way around that. At least these big circumaurals are reasonably comfortable, their mid-sized supraaural cousins can be quite bad since they press on the ears themselves.


I hate on-the-ear headphones for this reason. Can't stand the feeling I get after maybe half an hour with them squeezing my ears!

I have another question...what is the best media player for both OSX and Windows? I prefer to use the same program for both OS's. I've got Foobar2000 on my desktop right now, but I'm still looking for one that works on both (just for reasons of familiarity, I guess).

I might just end up using iTunes since I do quite like Genius...but I hate how the program makes my music files retarded. I don't know how to explain it...it seems like it retags all my music and splits them in so many different folders. Is it possible to just use the source folders? Or will it not use Genius correctly?

It seems like finding a good all-in-one media player is quite tough. I know ripster loves MediaMonkey, but it doesn't work on Mac.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 23 February 2011, 17:09:24
Quote from: .XL;299983
They're not closed though :/



I hate on-the-ear headphones for this reason. Can't stand the feeling I get after maybe half an hour with them squeezing my ears!

I have another question...what is the best media player for both OSX and Windows? I prefer to use the same program for both OS's. I've got Foobar2000 on my desktop right now, but I'm still looking for one that works on both (just for reasons of familiarity, I guess).

I might just end up using iTunes since I do quite like Genius...but I hate how the program makes my music files retarded. I don't know how to explain it...it seems like it retags all my music and splits them in so many different folders. Is it possible to just use the source folders? Or will it not use Genius correctly?

It seems like finding a good all-in-one media player is quite tough. I know ripster loves MediaMonkey, but it doesn't work on Mac.

For MAC, I know of lot of audiophiles still rely on itunes.

For WIN, Foobar is the goto app and is by far the best. Anything I need to do with music i seem to be able to do with foobar with minimal fuss.

Some people use Exact Audio Copy to rip CD's. I use foobar with the integrity verifier plugin, it checks the same sources in the same fashion. Providing you get an accurate rip and it checks out, the end result should be exactly the same. That's one app down.

I love foobar's ability to be any type of player, a playlist style player, a media library style player, etc. I prefer the media library approach and I can totally do that with foobar, albeit configuration can be a bit difficult it's pretty darned powerful.

The verifier also works for files you didn't rip. As long as it's gapless, it can check the integrity of an album you get, whether by friends or otherwise.

Also, it works with audioscrobbler, a feature that while pointless is fun to have available. It's nice to be able to actually QUANTIFY your favourites.

You can even edit tags using foobar, albeit the tagging in mp3tag is ultimately more powerful, and I still haven't figured out how to add album art to the files with foobar.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 23 February 2011, 17:42:04
I guess until a better alternative presents itself, iTunes is the best bet for me?

And I also guess my issue with foobar lies with my complete lack of knowledge of how to do anything in foobar haha...it seems like it needs at least some sort of scripting ability. I can't really make heads or tails of it so I just use the basic black layout :/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 23 February 2011, 18:17:29
I didn't have to delve into scripting at all and still found Foobar to be plenty powerful. Even the default UI customized nicely in "layout editing mode". (Then again, I'm not that picky with the visuals. It's got to be readable and functional, and that's about it.)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15594&stc=1&d=1298506186)

My most important plugins: Audioscrobbler and Lyrics Show 2. I have ASIO output installed but use plain ol' DirectSound since it allows the "output front stereo on all channel pairs" feature to work.

In order to take advantage of a full Replaygain implementation when using iTunes, you want to be using qNormal or iVolume.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Wed, 23 February 2011, 18:21:45
Quote from: .XL;300030
I guess until a better alternative presents itself, iTunes is the best bet for me?

And I also guess my issue with foobar lies with my complete lack of knowledge of how to do anything in foobar haha...it seems like it needs at least some sort of scripting ability. I can't really make heads or tails of it so I just use the basic black layout :/


Start an album up and while you're doing that start fscking around with it a bit in layout editing mode. After that, start looking for things it wish it could do. Since it's the audiophile's first choice, odds are it will have a plugin or the feature by default to do what you want to do.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Wed, 23 February 2011, 20:34:12
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I guess until a better alternative presents itself, iTunes is the best bet for me?


*spit take*

Anything but iTunes. Why people put up with that software mystifies me.

Foobar is a wonderful program, but it is intimidating to use at first (and it runs well on wine. You use a Mac, correct?) Otherwise, Songbird is a good choice. Not sure about replacements for Genius, though...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Wed, 23 February 2011, 22:18:57
Thanks for all the tips...

@keyb_gr and aynjell: I'll just play around with it and work it to my liking, once I get my library in order...no mean feat :/

So, turns out iTunes destroyed almost all my tags (when I first started my music collection I was careful with about the first 15 gigs, then just stopped caring). What was tagged correctly was turned into a mess by what I can only assume is iTunes.

I'm about 50% through my library right now, I've gotten most of the music in the right folders, now have to organize it and then get it all tagged in MP3tag.

@Daniel: Are you using it through WINE? That's the only feasible solution I've found.

@ripster: you really don't like foobar, huh? I'll give mediamonkey a try, since ya endorse it so heavily :p
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 24 February 2011, 00:48:53
Quote from: ripster;300105
MediaMonkey & MagicNodes.  Better tagging than Foobar.  REACT & EAC, better ripping than Foobar.

The ripping wouldn't be any better. I can say that for sure. I explained that in an above post. EAC's primary feature is the ability to verify the integrity of the RIP afterwards. Foobar, with a plugin, can do the same thing without throwing up a red flag in my av program of choice.

Also it's one less program I have to use. Foobar can select from a variety of ripping modes and a even control the speed of the drive so you really have a lot of control over the ripping process and have the capacity of getting assured results just like you would with foobar. So... eac is kind of worthless as a standalone program.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Thu, 24 February 2011, 06:29:01
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@Daniel: Are you using it through WINE? That's the only feasible solution I've found.

I normally am a windows user, but on my xubuntu rig at school I run it through wine. It is simple to do on linux, so I imagine it would be straightforward on wine for OS X.

In regards to the Foobar vs other media players argument...
I use separate programs for tagging and ripping (mp3tag and EAC), which are somewhat more functional than Foobar. I am not averse to using more than one program for media management. You spend 99% of that time in your media player anyways.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Thu, 24 February 2011, 15:46:14
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;300251
I normally am a windows user, but on my xubuntu rig at school I run it through wine. It is simple to do on linux, so I imagine it would be straightforward on wine for OS X.

In regards to the Foobar vs other media players argument...
I use separate programs for tagging and ripping (mp3tag and EAC), which are somewhat more functional than Foobar. I am not averse to using more than one program for media management. You spend 99% of that time in your media player anyways.


I've been using Mp3tag, it seems to work quite well. I don't really need to rip music since I only have a few cds I haven't ripped yet.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Orphagn on Thu, 24 February 2011, 15:50:22
I have a pair of Corsair HS1's and they feel really nice. Only downside to them for me is that they're USB, but it's required since it has it's own sound processor built in. I haven't messed with the sound settings too much since i'm not really an audiophile, but they sound fine to me. They have a 3.5mm input model (HS1A), without the build in sound processor for those that haven their own sound card.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: YpoCaramel on Sun, 27 February 2011, 00:55:13
Quote from: ripster;299358
My iPod Touch hates my Shure SE530s - the noise floor is terrible (I assume due to an impedence mismatch).

Plus my motto is always match the headphones to the source and usage.

They didn't come with am attenunator of some kind? Wait, that was probably UE.... (sorry! I can't remember what came with my SE530s five years ago!) Well you can try one of those or this is one of those situations where a $20cheap amp might actually come in useful...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Sun, 27 February 2011, 09:47:08
Carefoot, those are good looking.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Sun, 27 February 2011, 20:35:48
Quote from: YpoCaramel;301617
They didn't come with am attenunator of some kind? Wait, that was probably UE.... (sorry! I can't remember what came with my SE530s five years ago!) Well you can try one of those or this is one of those situations where a $20cheap amp might actually come in useful...

Amp is prolly better since SE530s are among the more fussy multi-driver BA jobs when it comes to source impedance. The average UE attenuator has 100 ohms in series and 15 ohms in parallel for like 13 ohms or so, and for those Shures I wouldn't recommend more than 1 ohm (which will give a FR deviation of less than 1 dB).

A little Fiio E5 should already do a fairly decent job.

Yes, an amplifier still makes the best attenuator.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Chobopants on Tue, 08 March 2011, 10:21:06
HD555s (iphone camera so the color is off and it looks like 595s, haha) into a Rolls headphone amp for home. At work I use HD280s straight into my computer. I used to use Etymotics hf2s for commuting/gym but they got caught on my ebrake as I was exiting my car and they exploded. :(

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5094/5509073429_fe4cded920.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 08 March 2011, 12:17:07
my 595's feel so lacking in the UMPH department these days. I've been rocking around with a subwoofer in my near field monitor setup. I need BOOM BOOM BOOM.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 08 March 2011, 12:35:48
Quote from: ripster;307726

I used to have ButtShakers on my gaming chair and then one day I moved beyond OCN puberty. (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-863)


I understand your desires for personal growth but you forgot that buttshakers help promote regular bowel movements. I guess its not a good thing if u poop on ur chair though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: typo on Sun, 20 March 2011, 00:45:09
if you are able to setup foobar right for your needs the quality is outstanding.
i am streaming 128kbps radio and it is close to cd quality. i know that seems impossible. it is upsampled to meet the soundcard and then further upsampled by the dac. wasapi. i have not lost a packet in over 10 weeks and the station is on the other side of the world. winamp cannot come close.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Roasty on Sun, 20 March 2011, 01:01:24
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5014/5468417668_4cfe43d2f3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_roasty/5468417668/)

Schiit Valhalla


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5218/5468416038_ff981e7ab4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_roasty/5468416038/)

Senn HD650 + Zu Mobius & Gamma 2 dac


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5180/5468415520_4188a63cc2.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_roasty/5468415520/)

Alessandro MS2i



.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 20 March 2011, 01:25:02
Quote from: Roasty;314639
Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5014/5468417668_4cfe43d2f3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_roasty/5468417668/)


Schiit Valhalla

Hows the Valhalla go with the HD650? I can't wait for my 650's to get here but now I'm in search of an amp to match them with. Was thinking Crack OTL but imma so lazy for DIY these days.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: .XL on Sun, 20 March 2011, 01:29:51
Quote from: panda-R;314647
Hows the Valhalla go with the HD650? I can't wait for my 650's to get here but now I'm in search of an amp to match them with. Was thinking Crack OTL but imma so lazy for DIY these days.


...panda-R out of character? lolwut?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Roasty on Sun, 20 March 2011, 02:42:20
Quote from: panda-R;314647
Hows the Valhalla go with the HD650? I can't wait for my 650's to get here but now I'm in search of an amp to match them with. Was thinking Crack OTL but imma so lazy for DIY these days.

i was initially worried that they would be too warm sounding for the HD650, but i'm actually quite happy with the pairing. very lush, full bodied sound and surprisingly large sound stage (.. then again i'm coming from a Corda Headfive which i felt had a really small sound stage). bass is clean and quite fast for a tube amp. i listen to all genres of music and it handles them quite well.

i think the schiit amps are quite hard to beat given the price range. other options i was looking at were the WooAudio amps as well as the Headamps, but they were a bit pricey for me. considered going the Little Dot route but wasnt too keen on their design / look.

quite a few people on head-fi.org have paired the HD650 with the Burson HA-160; i also considered this but decided to give tube amps a try this time round. u may want to look into this if you're thinking of going the solid state route.

if you're getting a HD650, you should look into aftermarket cables.. the Zu Mobius i have is a really good upgrade over the stock cable.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 20 March 2011, 11:29:15
Quote from: .xl;314648
...panda-r out of character? Lolwut?


i love boobs!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ktkr on Sun, 20 March 2011, 11:35:30
Quote from: Roasty;314639

Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5218/5468416038_ff981e7ab4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_roasty/5468416038/)


Senn HD650 + Zu Mobius & Gamma 2 dac


Nice picture. AMB y2 sure is a fine piece of gear.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 20 March 2011, 11:35:45
@roasty, thx for the impressions... i was saving up for the audio-gd NFB-10ES as peeps have been saying it pairs well with the HD650 but it's so hard to resist trying cheap options out there considering i already have a dac to boot.

Where did u get the Zu? i can't seem to find anything online.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Roasty on Sun, 20 March 2011, 21:14:08
Quote from: ktkr;314776
Nice picture. AMB y2 sure is a fine piece of gear.


thanks! had mine built by MisterX as i'm hopeless in DIY.


Quote from: panda-R;314777
@roasty, thx for the impressions... i was saving up for the audio-gd NFB-10ES as peeps have been saying it pairs well with the HD650 but it's so hard to resist trying cheap options out there considering i already have a dac to boot.

Where did u get the Zu? i can't seem to find anything online.


So far the only audio-gd product i had a chance to try was the DAC-19 at my friend's house. just checked the price of the NFB-10ES, lol its $880 excluding roughly $100 in shipping costs..! for that budget, u have many amp options.. haha enjoy picking one out. go to a headphone meet and test a few before u decide! i tried a WooAudio 6SE and fell in love..

i got the Zu Mobius cable about 5-6 years ago. it may no longer be in production :( maybe check head-fi.org if anyone has it for sale second hand?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: strum4h on Sun, 20 March 2011, 23:41:58
I have Audiotechnica ATH-700's and they are fantastic. I want to try out a pair of grados though I am looking to get some new ones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Half-Saint on Mon, 21 March 2011, 04:46:57
Just picked up brand new Sony MDR-RF810RK. Batteries finnished charging up this morning so I'll finally be able to test them. I just wish they included a carrying case with the headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Mon, 21 March 2011, 08:51:30
Quote from: Half-Saint;315151
Just picked up brand new Sony MDR-RF810RK. Batteries finnished charging up this morning so I'll finally be able to test them. I just wish they included a carrying case with the headphones.
As long as you're aware that wireless cans like that are mainly geared towards TV watching and that those in particular need pretty high output levels from the source if the transmitter is not to turn off automatically, they should be OK.
Quote from: panda-R;314777
@roasty, thx for the impressions... i was saving up for the audio-gd NFB-10ES as peeps have been saying it pairs well with the HD650 but it's so hard to resist trying cheap options out there considering i already have a dac to boot.

Where did u get the Zu? i can't seem to find anything online.
In terms of audio, you could do no worse than relying on word of mouth. On Head-Fi, anything can be FOTM. Fact is, a HD650 is not a very difficult load. Also, the Audio-gd amps may be fancy and sport a high parts count, but I'm afraid they're not particularly good amplifiers (not untypically for Chinese audiophile gear, it seems). Unless you consider competing with a smartphone impressive (http://dl.project-voodoo.org/RMAA/reports/nfb-12-galaxys-voodoosound-load-hd650.htm), that is.

Fancy upgrade cables are pretty much audiophile snake oil. The HD650's stock one is perfectly fine.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Roasty on Mon, 21 March 2011, 09:35:29
Quote from: keyb_gr;315194

Fancy upgrade cables are pretty much audiophile snake oil. The HD650's stock one is perfectly fine.


i still have my stock HD650 cable. switching between it and the Zu cable, they definitely sound different. go figure.

to each their own i guess.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 21 March 2011, 10:50:59
Quote from: keyb_gr;315194

In terms of audio, you could do no worse than relying on word of mouth. On Head-Fi, anything can be FOTM.


tehehe but i guess that applies also to your opinions also? :D

Don't worry I only ask peoples opinion to see what they think, in the end I almost always choose something else regardless of positive or negative opinion.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Half-Saint on Mon, 21 March 2011, 11:56:53
Quote from: keyb_gr;315194
As long as you're aware that wireless cans like that are mainly geared towards TV watching and that those in particular need pretty high output levels from the source if the transmitter is not to turn off automatically, they should be OK.


Hrm, I actually bought them so I could use them with the PC. Tested them shortly on my SONY KDL-EX500 and the sound was fine but I did have to crank up the volume to 30-ish on the TV. I have yet to listen to some music.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 21 March 2011, 12:05:03
Quote from: ripster;315268
Bwahahahaha!  I made you buy a HD595!!!!!

If I knew you were such a basshead I would have told you to have your ear canals surgically enlarged!

dood i am not da huge basshead but da 595's are a little on the lean side. Besides, i'm moar into boobs than bass.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 22 March 2011, 16:58:03
I FEEL THE BEAT!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5254/5550857673_fac2c0b6dc_b.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Half-Saint on Wed, 23 March 2011, 01:16:28
Sony MDF-RF810RK and Wi-Fi don't go well together. The wifi router is right next to my monitor and I played some Team Fortress 2 but I could hear this constant annoying beating sound that goes 'tup-tup-tup-tup' in the background. It goes away, if I turn off the router. I tried changing channels on the router and the headphones to no avail. The annoying sound remains even, if I turn off the Sony RF transmitter. Stupid.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nmd on Wed, 23 March 2011, 08:02:44
Quote from: panda-R;316236
I FEEL THE BEAT!

Show Image
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So jealous.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 23 March 2011, 09:13:39
Quote from: nmd;316647
So jealous.


it's like having an orgasm in your ears... oh wait that doesn't sound too good.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 23 March 2011, 16:00:35
Quote from: panda-R;316687
it's like having an orgasm in your ears... oh wait that doesn't sound too good.
In fact, they do call this "eargasm".

I used to have a HD650, but it was the older, reportedly darker-sounding version (pre-~2007). And dark-sounding this one was - its sonic signature clashed heavily with my monitor speakers. Pretty clampy, too. Ultimately I went back to a well-worn HD580, which proved a lot easier to adjust to (and more comfy to boot, especially with the DIY headband padding).

I later sold the '650s, at which point it turned out that they must have been from some production lot that had lacquer problems - the stuff partly peeled off en route to the buyer. Both parties weren't amused.

HD595s bass-light? Must have been the older, "bass-shy" 50 ohm version.
Quote from: Half-Saint;316548
Sony MDF-RF810RK and Wi-Fi don't go well together. The wifi router is right next to my monitor and I played some Team Fortress 2 but I could hear this constant annoying beating sound that goes 'tup-tup-tup-tup' in the background. It goes away, if I turn off the router. I tried changing channels on the router and the headphones to no avail. The annoying sound remains even, if I turn off the Sony RF transmitter. Stupid.
Looks like the 2.4 GHz radiation is getting into the Sony's 863 MHz receiver somehow and made audible by the FM discriminator. Maybe frontend filtering isn't too great, or some amplifier is acting as an RF demodulator here. (I certainly wouldn't expect any miracles from €30 wireless cans.)

I have an old pocket radio - all through-hole - where some part in the FM receiver seems susceptible to GSM radiation. A somewhat newer model shows a lot less, but it took a leap into the surface mount era to eliminate this almost completely.

What do you need a wireless set for anyway if you're right at the computer? It'll just sound needlessly bad.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 23 March 2011, 16:04:32
So far I have thoroughly enjoyed my HD650's despite their thick and voluptuous dark sound.  Now the question that remains is if I should be happy with these or continue my quest for audio Nirvana?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 23 March 2011, 16:24:37
Purely on a technical level, it doesn't get much better than these any more, just different - which, of course, you might prefer. Heck, there are enough people swearing by Grados, in spite of rather modest measured performance (or maybe because of it, as it tends to emphasize their sonic characteristics - I'd call them "guitar amp wideband speaker simulator").

I'd say before contracting upgraditis again, better look at the "software" side. How much music do you have, and how much of it do you listen to on any kind of regular basis?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nmd on Wed, 23 March 2011, 16:32:07
Curiously, what would you recommend for headphones intended to be used heavily(6-8 hours)? Preferably closed but open is fine too.

Stipulation: roughly $100(on sale :P) and must be stupidly comfortable. Thinking ath-ad700.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 23 March 2011, 16:32:37
I have my regular rotation and most people would say go for grados but I am not convinced that the grados would be anything special. I may try some one day. I hope my LOVELY CUBE will scratch some of this itch I've had lately.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 23 March 2011, 16:35:18
Quote from: nmd;317094
Curiously, what would you recommend for headphones intended to be used heavily(6-8 hours)? Preferably closed but open is fine too.

Stipulation: roughly $100(on sale :P) and must be stupidly comfortable. Thinking ath-ad700.


do you want to feel the beat like I do? If so you may want to stray away from some of the AT's... I found my ATH-A900Ti's to be slightly on the lean side.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/4190598895_d9eaf225f8_z.jpg?zz=1)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Roasty on Wed, 23 March 2011, 21:20:53
Quote from: panda-R;317058
So far I have thoroughly enjoyed my HD650's despite their thick and voluptuous dark sound.  Now the question that remains is if I should be happy with these or continue my quest for audio Nirvana?


i've bought and sold off a few headphones over the years, but the only headphone i've kept all this while was the Senn HD650 (also my first serious headphone purchase). it is the thick and voluptuous sound that always draws me back to it.

my only gripe with the hd650 is i find it localizes sound very well to the lateral regions, but is poor in imaging the sound from a front / diagonal perspective.

i keep the ms2i for good measure. after periods of listening with the ms2i, on switching back to the hd650, i always enjoy the full bodied sound and luscious vocals.

i've yet to try the HD800..
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 23 March 2011, 22:03:22
@roasty... mmmm voluptuous. You're right about the imaging towards the front, I found it a little shallow in that direction compared to my HD595's but it makes up for it in like everything else.

@ripster, the HD595's sound almost perfect with a sub playing along with it. Oh and they're way more comfy than the HD650's!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 23 March 2011, 23:18:12
MY FACE feels like imploding with the HD650's. Is this a good reason to buy another set of headphones?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: DeltaGunner on Thu, 24 March 2011, 01:28:13
I have a Reloop RHP-10 Cherryblack with a RHM-10 mic attached. (Will post pics later).
Only downside is its stereo so im gonna go for a CM Storm Sirus which i have tested on CeBIT. The Sirus is real 5.1 with USB considering that i dont have a Sound Card that is kinda necessary.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 24 March 2011, 01:42:39
Quote from: ripster;317451
I thought I heard you coming.

Ewww............


DOOD CMON, i'm not that loud. You make me sound like a Rhino giving birth.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Exoverture on Thu, 24 March 2011, 03:04:22
After exploring the Sennheiser front (HD555 all the way to HD800's)... I can safely say they are not really my thing. They are a joy for classical though.

I have since down scaled my whole setup (too much $$$... awfully expensive hobby lol). I've been perfectly content with this for the last 10 months or so: Maverick D1 Tube Magic & DT990PRO 250ohm.

I was really missing that kick with the Senns. Even with questionably expensive DAC/Amps... so I decided to move to the DT990.

Very much a joy to listen to... and only for ~$460!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Thu, 24 March 2011, 03:51:24
Quote from: Julle;317475
That's actually modelled after a 4D ultrasound image of a fetus.

Why so sirius, Fetus?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 24 March 2011, 10:08:20
TUBES make da crunch awesoune though, like captain crunch.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Thu, 24 March 2011, 11:20:34
Quote from: nmd;317094
Curiously, what would you recommend for headphones intended to be used heavily(6-8 hours)? Preferably closed but open is fine too.
You generally don't want to use closed cans for 6..8 hours in a row. Comfy open ones ftw.
Quote
Stipulation: roughly $100(on sale :P) and must be stupidly comfortable. Thinking ath-ad700.
There's not that much choice in this price region. Either those, or some HD555s ($85 at Amazon).
AD700s are a little on the lean side...
(http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID%5B%5D=2661&graphID%5B%5D=563)
(do note that the HD555s shown here are not the "bass-light" version)
...but should be a whole lot less fussy about output impedance.
(http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=7&graphID%5B%5D=2661&graphID%5B%5D=563)
Quote from: ripster;317653
I always thought Tubes compressed the frequencies too much (because they do).
 
Oh, you certainly can build good amps with 'em, as long as you don't mind big, heavy, power hungry and expensive. Like this. (http://www.cavalliaudio.com/lf.php) The same applies to receivers (http://www.r-390a.us/).

Did you know that the still-common EF95 (/6AK5, RF pentode) essentially is a repackaged RV12P2000, as used way back when in the Telefunken E-52 "Kln" (http://www.cdvandt.org/koeln_e_52.htm) (the only tube type in that one, btw)?
Quote
Tubes are the Topres of HeadFi.
More like Logitech G series boards. Bling outside, meh inside.
Quote
OK for guitar amps though.  Guitars live in the midrange with lots of dirty signals.
Overdriving properties are another story entirely. Tubes tend to be well-behaved here, with none of the "lock-up" issues that can take semiconductor-based amplifiers a while to recover after they hit supplies (let alone inversion, as encountered with some opamps).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 24 March 2011, 12:08:01
i like keyb_gr! He's very technical and handsome.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 24 March 2011, 12:22:39
dood nah, i just get them to give me da 115v transformer of DOOM!

plus all those cheap chinese tube amps are so cheap because they're inexpensive also known as cheap.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 24 March 2011, 12:35:58
Quote from: ripster;317772

Long Live CHAIRMAN MAO!  


chairman mao is my uncle. He left me the entire north east of china in his will. Do you think I should get a tube amp for my HD650's?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: DejaHu on Tue, 29 March 2011, 20:42:09
I also have AD-700s plugged into a mixamp.  Only difference is my headphones are modded with a detachable Boom Mic.  Custom cabling for mic support and new paint scheme as well.    (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_JVTrCm2EgJU/TVsDMh4riKI/AAAAAAAADNE/Xbdwq3zMQE0/s912/IMG_0362.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_JVTrCm2EgJU/TVsDM2LwRMI/AAAAAAAADNI/ZS9LO4IYY5M/s912/IMG_0363.JPG)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: DejaHu on Tue, 29 March 2011, 20:48:59
anyone who has sennheiser 555s, the best trick ever:   http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/audio/40761-buy-sennheiser-555s-turn-them-into-595s.html      All you do is open the ear cup and take out the foam, voila, you have senn 595s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: suntorytime on Tue, 29 March 2011, 21:24:23
Quote from: keyb_gr;317718
You generally don't want to use closed cans for 6..8 hours in a row. Comfy open ones ftw.



I don't know, I find my Beyerdynamics DT770 Pro really comfortable, they are almost as comfortable as my RIP Sony MDR-F1's.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: DejaHu on Tue, 29 March 2011, 21:52:26
https://picasaweb.google.com/ThompsonRyan  Different models require different steps.  Really is never the same process each time.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Wed, 30 March 2011, 07:35:47
Anyone use the AD700 for work? I know they are open air cans but does the sound escape as bad as the hd555s?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: DejaHu on Wed, 30 March 2011, 08:12:53
they sound as bad as all open air headphones will.  One isn't going to be amazingly better.  I believe the ad900 are closed
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: suntorytime on Wed, 30 March 2011, 08:52:04
Quote from: DejaHu;321144
https://picasaweb.google.com/ThompsonRyan  Different models require different steps.  Really is never the same process each time.

Looks like you commission the mods. How much do you normally charge for a job such as that? They all look great.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: DejaHu on Wed, 30 March 2011, 09:00:19
it used to be $50 up front and you supply the headphones.  That ended up being a terrible idea b/c of the kind of work that goes into each.  So now when you want to buy a new set of headphones, yours will already be pre-modded.  You just pay a fixed rate depending on the cans you choose.  Just call ahead and say what color scheme you want.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: DejaHu on Wed, 30 March 2011, 09:17:00
http://www.markertek.com for most
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Wed, 30 March 2011, 16:18:00
Quote from: DejaHu;321314
they sound as bad as all open air headphones will.  One isn't going to be amazingly better.  I believe the ad900 are closed


Think you meant the a900s?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NimbleRabit on Wed, 30 March 2011, 21:50:08
Some of the AD700's on that site look absolutely stunning.  I want to do the same kind of thing to mine - kind of makes me wish I knew anything about audio or modding at all.  I wonder if it's worth ruining my headphones . . .

Does anybody know of some guides or someplace I can read to get started trying to do something like that to my ad700?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Half-Saint on Thu, 31 March 2011, 03:12:42
Quote from: keyb_gr;315194
As long as you're aware that wireless cans like that are mainly geared towards TV watching and that those in particular need pretty high output levels from the source if the transmitter is not to turn off automatically, they should be OK.


I'm sending them back - pissing me off! They're useless for listening to the music on my laptop as the sound is screwed up. This is best described as 'huge variations in pressure within my ear, where there should be none'. It's annoying and I couldn't feel this with my other cans. RF interference is an added minus.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 07 April 2011, 00:52:33
I love headphones!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 07 April 2011, 09:02:57
Quote from: ripster;321349
I was looking for the two pin ones.



Lemo connectors/plugs might work for you and some are on ebay.  I believe that is what is used on my VPI turntable.  It's a 4 pin but they also make 2 pin versions.  

(http://images.tradekool.com/173066000/Lemo-1b-2-Pin-Connector.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 19 April 2011, 23:31:07
This thread needs reviving.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5625985863_0f5bcdea5c_b.jpg)

I find I like the DT880/600s when I haven't listened to my HD650s for awhile.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 20 April 2011, 11:18:52
Quote from: ripster;333998
They'll sound even better back in the box!

you're so mean to the DT880s, what have they ever done to you!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 20 April 2011, 13:56:16
She's missing 3 buttons.  Probably stolen while sleeping on the subway.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 20 April 2011, 15:56:44
Quote from: panda-R;333978
I find I like the DT880/600s when I haven't listened to my HD650s for awhile.
Which is understandable, given the difference in highs (and, to a lesser degree, bass).
(http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID%5B%5D=853&graphID%5B%5D=2751)
Interesting how they track pretty well within the mids.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: strum4h on Wed, 20 April 2011, 16:23:52
How much did those cans cost
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 20 April 2011, 16:45:27
Quote from: keyb_gr;334404
Which is understandable, given the difference in highs (and, to a lesser degree, bass).
Show Image
(http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID%5B%5D=853&graphID%5B%5D=2751)

Interesting how they track pretty well within the mids.

 
They're similar but the soundstaging makes the DT880 sound less involving for me. Also the HD650 has noticeably better mids than that graph would lead to believe. The treble is spot on.

Quote from: strum4h;334426
How much did those cans cost


$269 from amazon! I heard it it can get to $249 but I didn't want to wait.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 20 April 2011, 18:43:53
german engineering is so awesome. Sometimes I wish I was a bratwurst.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Mon, 25 April 2011, 18:46:45
My Porta Pro's bit the dust after about seven years of use, so HD595s are in the mail.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Arc'xer on Mon, 25 April 2011, 18:55:17
Quote from: ripster;334496
$269!~

Too much.

Sennys are always worth what they are priced because German engineering DESERVES respect.

For those who are going after higher end headphones beyers(DT880s) are worth it along with the DT770s if you want more bass-orientation. Of course this is an area with a lot of competition like the ultrasone and whatnot but you'll always see someone mention the beyers here and there at the price range.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 25 April 2011, 21:22:59
LOLz!

I didn't sell my HD595's on headfi :P

and I think I'll get the Beyers around for a bit, they so comfy and the soundstage is HUGE!!! plus i can't wait for some giant tubes to troll them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: strum4h on Tue, 26 April 2011, 02:13:38
I want a good set of grado's to replace my ath-700s as my daily driver. Anyone have any suggestions. I love how comfortable the ath-700s are and am worried that the grados are not as comfortable.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 26 April 2011, 08:32:08
Quote from: strum4h;337374
I want a good set of grado's to replace my ath-700s as my daily driver. Anyone have any suggestions. I love how comfortable the ath-700s are and am worried that the grados are not as comfortable.

Out of the two Grado's I have, the sr60's are the least comfortable. The flat pads push your ears against your head and I find it impossible to wear them for over 2-3 hours. The 325is's on the other hand are much more manageable. The doughnut pads are perfect for my small ears (my ears fit completely on the inside of the pad. But since they are aluminum, they are quite heavy and the top of my head starts to hurt after about 3-4 hours.

Both sound great, so that's what I keep them around.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pfink on Wed, 27 April 2011, 15:37:53
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;337218
My Porta Pro's bit the dust after about seven years of use, so HD595s are in the mail.

Koss has a lifetime warranty, you might be able to swing a free replacement for the Porta Pros.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 27 April 2011, 16:14:37
Quote from: pfink;338197
Koss has a lifetime warranty, you might be able to swing a free replacement for the Porta Pros.

that is if you want another protapro to throw into the drawer and never be used :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Mon, 02 May 2011, 15:14:07
Etymotic ER6is have good detail but they really do not have bass. They're pretty good for $60 or whatever they cost now. HD580/600/650 are definitely more comfortable than the HD515/555/595. I would say HD580s are the best value in headphones (you have to buy used and get replacement ear pads though).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NimbleRabit on Mon, 02 May 2011, 15:46:28
Quote from: ripster;340522
Don't get me started on earphones.

Worse price/performance of any audio equipment.

Even a Ducky keyboard has a better price/performance ratio.

 
If you mean that afater a certain point the returns for increased cost is really low for earphones, I agree with you 100%.  I have bought a few different pairs trying to find something I really liked, and I quickly learned that the difference between a $75 (or even $50) pair of earphones and a $200 pair really isn't very much.  I'd rather spend that money on practically anything else and get much better returns.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Mon, 02 May 2011, 15:57:28
Quote from: ripster;340542
I don't think that big fuzzy headed panda guy would agree about the HD650>HD595 comfort thing.

I like my HD595.  But I rarely wear them since dancing to J-Pop is difficult with them on.

Probably not. Signature stress cracks galore I would assume. At least we know every model is more comfortable than any Grado :) So sad as I loved Grados sometimes.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: YetAnotherDeveloper on Mon, 02 May 2011, 16:06:55
Quote from: ripster;340542
I don't think that big fuzzy headed panda guy would agree about the HD650>HD595 comfort thing.

I like my HD595.  But I rarely wear them since dancing to J-Pop is difficult with them on.

I wear my HD595's 6+ hours a day (most days) and i almost never notice they are on my head... though after particularly long sessions i can start to feel them but its never anything that is an issue. I also cant compare them to the HD650's or any others that are worth a crap.  I did base my purchase on the feedback and info on head-fi.org
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 02 May 2011, 16:15:31
WOWS, HD595 >>>>> HD650 on initial comfort, i suspect it becomes HD595 > HD650 comfort over x amount of time.

Apparently since the HD650s are reference level cans they are designed to cause your face to implode. Even I find my Beyer DT880 to be not so comfortable after a while, semi-implosion factor.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: YetAnotherDeveloper on Mon, 02 May 2011, 16:35:29
Quote from: ripster;340591
I crack under stress too.  Especially when driving.

Earbuds cause your eardrums to implode making Audiologist doctors wealthy.

That reminds me.  I need to load up on Hearing Aid stock.

What? Whats that you say?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 02 May 2011, 17:22:38
Quote from: YetAnotherDeveloper;340601
What? Whats that you say?

dood cmon it very easy to follow

A -> B -> Bananas -> Gerbils and Richard Gere = Grandma.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 03 May 2011, 22:07:19
Thinking about getting this (http://www.amazon.com/Grado-RS1i-Reference-Series-Headphones/dp/B00076VEG6) and this (http://signalpathint.com/index.php/Nova/Nova.html) later this summer from here (http://www.yeswehaveawebsite.com/)

I went there over the weekend and listened to their Vandersteen Model 7 rig... truly amazing. Even if it costs around 100,000 USD.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Tue, 03 May 2011, 22:13:28
Grado RS-1s are probably my favorite headphones out of everything I owned (they weren't the "i" model, they had buttons). Stax Lambdas were my other favorite and I definitely prefer them for some things. I've heard great things from friends about the DACs in the Peachtree integrated amps and that the amp is sufficient.

I would love to hear that speaker rig.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 03 May 2011, 22:26:07
Quote from: kpeezy;341329
Grado RS-1s are probably my favorite headphones out of everything I owned (they weren't the "i" model, they had buttons). Stax Lambdas were my other favorite and I definitely prefer them for some things. I've heard great things from friends about the DACs in the Peachtree integrated amps and that the amp is sufficient.

I would love to hear that speaker rig.

Before I walked into that store I had no idea how expensive the world of home audio could get.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: YpoCaramel on Tue, 03 May 2011, 23:40:42
IEM to full-sized price ratio is getting better, Westone 4 and Sony EX1000 at $400-450 (in Asia) can probably match HD595, maybe better in some ways, though it's been a while since I've owned the later... (I own the EX1000, also the Audio Technica ESW10JPN and W1000X. As you can see, performance/price ratio is the second thing on my mind). Maybe more like 2:1 now, if you don't count super deals like HD580. But then again, I just realized HD595 is dirt cheap now, Amazon has them for $140 lol... and I got them for $250 back then.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 09:47:35
i lolz.

$400 IEM <<< $400 HD650 (TAXES FOOS).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:06:11
I would go as far to say they're skullcandy, more like KOSS.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:09:43
Koss KSC35s are SO GOOD! I need to stop being lazy and try and use the lifetime warranty for my two busted pairs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:10:45
dam i forgot they have lifetime warranty, that might exclude them being associated with Koss.

My portapros sound like poop but i kinda enjoy them when I have nothing else to listen to.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:18:03
From what I remember Portapros use the same drivers as KSC35s. It is obviously budget gear but the midrange and vocals are too good for the price. I thought they were close in performance to my Alessandro MS-1s (the midrange at least was on par, it wasn't equivalent in every way).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:26:23
i suspect u look something like this guy when wearing it

(http://academic.depauw.edu/aevans_web/UNIV197/WebPages/Fall2003/AimeePablo/Pictures/lobot2.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:43:48
the hair on my head is just a distraction from the hair on other places.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:48:56
I didn't think pubes existed in the world of OCN. I guess those 10 year olds mature faster than the rest of the world.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:53:51
we're sharing one eternity, living in two minds!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:58:11
Well the members have them. The mods don't.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:59:29
something tells me that KL might be a communist.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:00:59
Yep. A capitalist too.

Eh, comrade? ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:02:32
it is true, just make sure you don't tell them u want to mate with a polar bear KL.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:08:46
dats huge!

I almost forgot this was a headphone thread.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:13:36
Bear with me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:13:53
I need some tubes for my headphones and I need some lubes for my...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:14:26
Quote from: woody;341599
Bear with me.

 
TROLL ALeRT!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:17:41
Quote from: panda-R;341600
I need some tubes for my headphones and I need some lubes for my...
Bones.

I'd spare you the naughty version.
Quick recovery!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:24:52
old age has got the better of me, that lube is going to go a long ways.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:46:34
Quote from: ripster;341614
AH, he's a troll.

I was wondering why he told me to buy a PS/2 cable when I told him I already measured 5V off the PS/2 connector.
Hehe, you troll, you.
You said you wanted to measure current, didn't you?

Quote
Nobody reads posts on the Internet anymore.
True. It's becoming a write-only medium.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:50:18
What stops you measuring current, then?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:57:01
Headphone. AKG 702

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FoarybPaslw/SyZtBBDBf9I/AAAAAAAABGQ/fQ1sGYUYtsM/s800/image002-thumb.jpg)

There, back on topic.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 12:07:05
why is everyone so angry all da time. This is a headphone thread not an angry thread. Now show me some boobs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 12:11:57
Quote from: harrison;341640
they're angry because they're not canadian, obviously.

so you're indirectly saying they're angry because they can't marry their cousins?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 14:02:46
Someone buy my DT880/600s, I need the T1s now. Thanks.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Wed, 04 May 2011, 14:07:17
DT990s are probably my least favorite headphones I've ever used considering how much they cost. Never heard the DT880s I know they're completely different and apparently do have a midrange.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 14:09:02
Quote from: kpeezy;341687
DT990s are probably my least favorite headphones I've ever used considering how much they cost. Never heard the DT880s I know they're completely different and apparently do have a midrange.

it's relative, they have no midrange compared to my HD650s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 04 May 2011, 14:25:12
Quote from: panda-R;341686
Someone buy my DT880/600s, I need the T1s now. Thanks.

I'll trade you some keyboards for them, but that won't help you buy more cans.
Oh, I would need pics of your ears, hair and proof of overall grooming habits and good hygiene first.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 15:15:19
why does everyone assume that i am dirty, which of course i am, but still I don't think my fur has anything to do with how naughty i am.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrSneis on Wed, 04 May 2011, 15:22:12
I am really debating selling my Lcd-2's today :9
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 15:23:50
Quote from: MrSneis;341718
I am really debating selling my Lcd-2's today :9

i trade u my DT880/600s straight up for them because i know how much of a good deal i'm getting.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 04 May 2011, 15:36:59
I'll trade you a stack of keyboards for them.  Kthx.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 04 May 2011, 15:37:29
Quote from: MrSneis;341718
I am really debating selling my Lcd-2's today :9

I'll trade you a stack of keyboards for them.  Kthx.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrSneis on Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:15:14
:) may take a few extra keyboards and dt880's.  I'm really shocked to see that the LCD-2's are not near as "rare" as they were a few months ago.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrSneis on Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:16:38
Quote from: panda-R;341686
Someone buy my DT880/600s, I need the T1s now. Thanks.

Have you heard the T1's yet?  I had them for a few weeks and a few local guys listened to them with me, we agreed they weren't as great as the hype made them out to be!  Then again we were all enamored with stat's at the time.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:32:47
I have not heard the T1s yet but to be honest I am more interested in the LCD-2's for the darkness factor. I love the dark. I just don't like powering the dark.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrSneis on Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:37:09
My favorite dark were the old school HD-650's.  You can't really find them anymore now.  I can see how the T1's might be dark.  Try to get a used Gilmore Lite or GS-1 to pair with 'em!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:40:22
What stat amp are you using MrSneis?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrSneis on Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:43:44
Quote from: kpeezy;341750
What stat amp are you using MrSneis?

 
O2 + kgss.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrSneis on Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:49:37
Quote from: ripster;341754

Why a USED Gilmore Lite?  The panda-R only buys NEW.  He SELLS lots of minty threadcrapping quality stuff though.
Show Image
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4736071319_8c97d66fef_z.jpg)

 
Well Justin discontinued the GLite a while back, there's some new amp coming out soon... supposedly.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrSneis on Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:56:05
It's not collectors item until you have the Gilmore Lite LE (Black casing).  IIRC only like 15 were made.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 19:00:06
Quote from: ripster;341798
I have a big sharpie.

Brb.

we call those turtleheads in canada.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Smallville on Wed, 04 May 2011, 19:27:06
Does anyone here ever trade their keyboards for headphones? I have a pair of ATH-M50 that I would trade for a MX Brown/Blue keyboard :)

But anyways, nice thread here. I was a member on Head-Fi before here. I wasted all my money on audio gear so I have no money for keyboards.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Wed, 04 May 2011, 19:54:55
Quote from: ripster;341819
It is infinitely easier to waste money at HeadFi than here.

Do they think Gold Plated USB DAC connectors sound better?

Some definitely do, sadly. Those threads are hilarious though!

MrSneis do you post on head-case?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Wed, 04 May 2011, 21:45:58
My Dr. can beat up your Dr.!
(http://i.imgur.com/3DX8M.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 23:28:11
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;341859
My Dr. can beat up your Dr.!

why doesn't he have a pen0r?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 04 May 2011, 23:29:13
Quote from: ripster;341810
Is that another stripper terminology thing you Canadians use?

lol dood nah, u know when u gotta poop and like something is peeking out, well that is ur turtlehead.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 05 May 2011, 00:02:48
those are some silly duckys.

oh man my DT880s sound so sexy today, i was rolling the opamp cuz i'm one of those opamp rollers from siberia.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WTFGoD on Fri, 06 May 2011, 04:36:50
Hi, if there is any audiofiles lurking around here would you mind throwing some knowledge at me. I was looking into some headphones but im not sure i could spend $100+ ... i was thinking of either buying a sub $50 headphone or saving for one around $100

but since there dont seem to be many good headphones around 100 even if i convinced myself to spend that much aside from the hd555(disliked by audiophiles?) a/ad700(prolly best in price range?) m50(mabe best ?)

so i was leaning towards getting something on the cheaper side... seeing if i take to fine audio then go on from there ... for the lower price range i was thinking between JVc harx700 or harx900 (900 has better pads, better sound ??) same drivers so pads prolly biggest difference..? also the Samson sr850 which is the one im thinking of getting atm

ill be using these for gaming/movies/music .. i like most music styles but prolly more rockish(alt-rock) type things . i put a heavy emphasis on comfort .. my audio experience is limited to random earbuds including my current M9's  so as i said before im looking for advice on whether to go cheaper or save up and which headphones are best in given price ranges looking for biggest bang/buck

concerns i have with the $100 price range is that there doesnt seem to be alot of value in that range... as the sound of headphones in that range seem pretty lacking (ex: bass lightness) and as im a newbie i doubt i could appreciate the mid/high differences between those 2 ranges (as newbs tend to prefer bass

as the sr850's are hiked up in price atm(highest they've been for awhile says amazon price tracker) i have some time to decide before they come back down
anyways - rant over
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 06 May 2011, 07:03:42
Get a grado sr80i . Can't be beat in the price range.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kackburt on Fri, 06 May 2011, 07:55:20
Using Sennheiser HD25 for years now, but I tried some others in this period of time (:
Mobile use: SoundMagic PL-50 in-ear's atm. (Had some Shure in-ear's too)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Twisti on Fri, 06 May 2011, 08:01:03
I have the HD428's and they are a solid headphone.  I have a big head and they still comfortable so they will fit most any head.  If you are an uber Audiophile then I'm not sure I'd recommend these but if your just looking for a solid pair of cans you might want to check them out.

Quote from: ironman31;342438
Get a grado sr80i . Can't be beat in the price range.

I was going to get these but when I'm in the office I prefer a closed ear headphone to so that my neighbors don't hear my music as well.  Just something to think about
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Fri, 06 May 2011, 10:00:44
Harrison those are pretty interesting headphones. They look like an AKG k240 knock off or some OEM version. I wonder what drivers they use.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NimbleRabit on Fri, 06 May 2011, 12:05:44
Quote from: WTFGoD;342418
Hi, if there is any audiofiles lurking around here would you mind throwing some knowledge at me. I was looking into some headphones but im not sure i could spend $100+ ... i was thinking of either buying a sub $50 headphone or saving for one around $100

but since there dont seem to be many good headphones around 100 even if i convinced myself to spend that much aside from the hd555(disliked by audiophiles?) a/ad700(prolly best in price range?) m50(mabe best ?)

so i was leaning towards getting something on the cheaper side... seeing if i take to fine audio then go on from there ... for the lower price range i was thinking between JVc harx700 or harx900 (900 has better pads, better sound ??) same drivers so pads prolly biggest difference..? also the Samson sr850 which is the one im thinking of getting atm

ill be using these for gaming/movies/music .. i like most music styles but prolly more rockish(alt-rock) type things . i put a heavy emphasis on comfort .. my audio experience is limited to random earbuds including my current M9's  so as i said before im looking for advice on whether to go cheaper or save up and which headphones are best in given price ranges looking for biggest bang/buck

concerns i have with the $100 price range is that there doesnt seem to be alot of value in that range... as the sound of headphones in that range seem pretty lacking (ex: bass lightness) and as im a newbie i doubt i could appreciate the mid/high differences between those 2 ranges (as newbs tend to prefer bass

as the sr850's are hiked up in price atm(highest they've been for awhile says amazon price tracker) i have some time to decide before they come back down
anyways - rant over

I have done extensive listening with quite a few headphones in your price range: Allesandro MS1 (modded pads), JVC RX900 (modded), AD700, ATH-M50.  It all comes down to preferences and finding what you prefer though, and honestly it's hard to figure out what would suit you best without you listening to each and finding out for yourself.  

The ad700 are what I use personally because comfort is the most important aspect to me, although I will sometimes switch to the MS1 or the RX900 when I'm wanting a different sound (I sold the M50 which were my least favorite).  They are indeed bass light and if that's not something you'd be okay with then these aren't a good choice for you.

The RX900 sound great at a fantastic price, but can get really hot on your head after long periods of listening and also don't have the most comfortable pads in the world.  I honestly think the RX900 are a good choice if you're looking to save some money and are willing to do a few mods, and I would be fine with them being my only headphones if they didn't make my head so hot sometimes.

The Allesandro's have a really fun sound, and I tend to listen to these when I just want to enjoy rocking out to my music.  Like the RX900 they aren't the most comfortable headphones in the world though and so I always end up going back to my ad700 after a few hours.

I'm probably going to end up getting some dt880's at some point in the future in the hopes that I can find a headphone that is close to perfect for me, and right now I feel a bit silly switching between 3 different pairs of headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WTFGoD on Fri, 06 May 2011, 13:01:36
you guys are mean trying to confuse me like this :P

i guess ill check out the superlux too
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Fri, 06 May 2011, 17:20:35
HD650 FTW! I really like my HD650s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: krull on Sat, 07 May 2011, 13:50:27
Quote from: ripster;342481
My bose cracked in half after about 3 years.

Bose Blows.

I wish mine lasted as long. I only got about 6 months worth of use out of them. Before they snapped right above the right ear cup.
They sounded pretty good but the build quality was just terrible.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Brummell on Sat, 07 May 2011, 16:47:31
At the risk of turning this into a headphone thread, HD 595s are $119.99 at Amazon again.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 07 May 2011, 17:11:37
Lucky for me I've already tried them for cheaper. Safe to say the HD650s are not on the chopping block.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Sat, 07 May 2011, 18:03:46
Blow-out sale, certainly. Would be interesting to know which variant you get. Knowing Amazon, they tend to hoarde things, so there is a non-zero chance of getting "bass-light" 50 ohm samples instead of the newer "normal bass" ones.

Those Superlux cans are pretty good apparently, it seems - the (semi-)open ones at least. The stock earpads used to be really lousy plastic jobs, but seem to have been upgraded to something a little more passable now. Thankfully they'll take K240 style pads, of which both kinds seem to be an improvement.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Brummell on Sat, 07 May 2011, 18:37:50
They're not my first choice either, but I'm buying them for my work office where they should be fine.  I have a pair of 650s here that I wouldn't trade 595s for either, but I do think the 595s are decent enough cans for that price.  I don't want anything too good at the office.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Arc'xer on Sat, 07 May 2011, 19:00:52
You can always buy the cheaper 555s and mod them to 595s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvQ8PzBrHXE) or buy the AD700s if your into open headphones but then you'd probably get strange looks from everyone.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 07 May 2011, 20:39:40
Amazon sent me the 50ohm version a few months ago. I bought the HD650s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:15:52
AD700s should be a touch on the lean side, but not bad cans otherwise. If you feel the pads are too thin, look up "phatpads" mods.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:36:39
I LOVE HEaDPHONES
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WTFGoD on Mon, 09 May 2011, 04:42:54
checked out the superluxes i think im gonna pickup either the 668's or the samsons when they come back down in price apparently they are almost the same thing so ill just get whichever i can pick up cheaper, prolly the samsons unless i can find a place to get the luxes(only place ive seen is ebay for over 60)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 09:37:58
wheres a good place to learn this dubstepping?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WTFGoD on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:22:48
Quote from: harrison;343733
Which Samsons are you considering?

I found the SR850 (http://www.amazon.com/SR850-Professional-Studio-Reference-Headphones/dp/B002LBSEQS/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1304948434&sr=8-8), which look to be about the same price point.  The Superlux HD 681 (http://www.amazon.com/Superlux-681-Dynamic-Semi-Open-Headphones/dp/B002GHIPYI/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304948550&sr=1-1-catcorr) is a more direct competitor to that phone, at a much better price point.  The sound is similar to the 668's when modded (do some searching at HeadFi).


On further inspection: it looks like they're both made by the same company (http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=review&action=display&thread=5788)!

 

exactly.. but they all have different drivers and apparently the sr850 sounds alot more like the 668 then the 681 (better) so for the extra 10 bucks i fuigre it would be worth it as the 668 is supposed to sound a fair bit better then the 681's

only difference between the samson and the 668 is that the samson is a lower ohm? or something 30something compared to the 688's 56 or so? which means ?? its easier to drive?? no idea :smow:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:30:52
i've decided to get dis amp for my next foray into the world of headphones

(http://cdn.head-fi.org/7/7e/1000x500px-LL-7eab84a3_IMG_2361.JPG)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:55:29
i think those are tube converters, it allows you to use other types of lightsabers.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:29:09
So you get a free tan while listening? Useful.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 12:25:48
ripster u got some interesting fetish porn, now deliver the SAUCE!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 12:43:20
I like these cross cultural exchanges. Our cultures are so different.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:06:24
I don't mean to burst your tubes, but I do have a headphone question.  DT770's, still worth it at $350?  I could get custom colors and some nice leather on them straight from beyer, but audio is really about audio (and the size of your tubes).  Since they are available for much less in plain silver, would I be better off picking something else in that price range?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:09:04
Quote from: pfink;338197
Koss has a lifetime warranty, you might be able to swing a free replacement for the Porta Pros.

 Heh. They're cheap enough that it is probably easier to just order another pair.

I like the HD595's so far. I can't really tell any difference compared to my old Porta-Pros, but they're comfy. $140 is not a lot to spend on something you use every day.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:19:40
Quote from: ripster;343993
I'd see if I liked the sound first by trying the standard model first.  You'll be getting another someday anyway and can upgrade then.  Like shiny spacebars these things don't last forever.

That is a good point. Plus, it would leave me some cash for this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31F2UHtYWfL.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:21:52
get some TUBES! The Asgard only looks nice IMO.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:24:49
there are tubes in Valhalla.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:27:33
hey thats me in the middle!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:28:37
I hear da valhalla is alright. It would be the only SCHIT amp i'd be interested in trying. HOWEVERS my love for the cheapness amps from China will make that almost impossible.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:36:45
If there aren't any tubes in it, then I'm not interested, unless it just LOOKS good. =).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Mon, 09 May 2011, 16:59:38
/wonders why people are so obsessed with dem toobs.

Looks? OK, that I can understand, but usually circuits with vacuum tubes mean higher cost, higher power consumption and worse measurements.

Which is not to say that you couldn't get all solid state gear that is incredibly overbuilt yet doesn't really work all too well (the audio-gd amps come to mind; apparently this is not uncommon with Chinese audiophile gear in general, see e.g. HiSound MP3 players).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 17:19:04
I just look for whatever makes my high impedance cans go BOOM BOOM. If tubes can make it more BOOM BOOM than my lehmann black cube linear clone then imma all for it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Mon, 09 May 2011, 18:08:36
I wonder if audiophiles(seriously, you have to be damaged to pick that description for yourself) also practice voodoo, astrology and alchemy.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Mon, 09 May 2011, 18:13:44
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;344055
I wonder if audiophiles(seriously, you have to be damaged to pick that description for yourself) also practice voodoo, astrology and alchemy.

 
I wish MW were here.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SgCbuAVsmS8/TBvNLTZbN5I/AAAAAAAACYM/nGEfgZXQUx0/s1600/IE+6+troll+(internet+explorer,+browser,+trollface).png)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 21:23:49
i love tube amps and i never get laid.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 21:36:04
Quote from: ripster;344132
This is why Pandas face extinction.

Now your typical tube puts out 4K to 8K output impedence.  So matching to your headphones is just not a natural act.

how does dat work for my 600ohm super cans?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 21:57:56
u make canadians angry!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Mon, 09 May 2011, 22:01:48
No worries then, they are bad at fighting.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 22:03:06
Im going to eat some cake
whos with me!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 09 May 2011, 22:22:07
I JUST ATE THE CAKE. It was delicious.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Mon, 09 May 2011, 22:27:26
Do you have twitter? That would make our lives so much easier!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NimbleRabit on Mon, 09 May 2011, 22:30:34
I just recently finished modding my MS1's and turned them into "MS1000" (http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/323271/alessandro-ms1000-and-ms-ultimate-diy-modding-56k-warning).  Hopefully I like it because I was lazy and used some pretty permanent glue.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 10 May 2011, 11:31:57
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;344173
Do you have twitter? That would make our lives so much easier!

harharhar, twitter doesn't increase my post count!

GET TO DA CHOPPA!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Tue, 10 May 2011, 13:55:23
tube amps don't interest me at all
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 10 May 2011, 14:45:39
Quote from: phillip;344536
tube amps don't interest me at all

obviously because u don't want to get laid.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Tue, 10 May 2011, 15:29:28
Quote from: panda-R;344553
obviously because u don't want to get laid.

no u

solid state for life
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Tue, 10 May 2011, 15:59:16
Better than a gaseous female.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 10 May 2011, 17:21:25
neener neener neener, i can see your weiner.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 10 May 2011, 21:35:01
Ok, so I'm going to Utah in 1.5 wks.. what is it I need to know about headphones again?   I was looking at Beyer DT770s... Needs to be closed, needs to be comfy like a cloud of boobs.

Let me be more specific... the 80 ohm model.  Too bad the 250ohm version looks nicer.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 10 May 2011, 22:37:44
get the 600ohm, it's moar awesome.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 10 May 2011, 22:41:04
I just don't want to dump my load on an amp.  There are limits to how deep my pockets go.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 10 May 2011, 22:55:22
man just make bigger and deeper pockets, thats how u solve dat problem!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 11 May 2011, 08:40:12
Quote from: harrison;344889
you can pick up a cheap chip amp off fleaBay for under $50 for iPod use.  search for cmoy.

I don't know enough about parts of amps... I don't do batteries, so would I also need to get a regulated supply or would a 9v wart suffice?   Is any random cmoy going to be able to push a 600ohm set of cans?

And WTF is up with Beyer shutting down their site on the day I want to do more research?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 11 May 2011, 09:42:39
Quote from: ripster;344645
Utah women are HAWT.

I have to agree.

I wish I could afford big tube amps for home audio but I've stuck to big solid state so far.
Denon POA-2400 that is probably related to Kit from Knight Rider
(http://www.audioscope.net/images/denonpoa2400.jpg)

Wish I had the coin for a pair of these tube monoblocks (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1310096758) .... 282lbs to ship!
(http://pic3.audiogon.com/i/c/f/1304912723.jpg)

Oh wait, we're talking HEADamps.  The FIIO E7 I have is decent for a portable with Denon AHD-2000's but I'd like to try something higher end.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mazora on Wed, 11 May 2011, 11:03:59
Anyone could recommend a great (for the buck) external PC Audio card ?
Also, I would be looking for a great (bang for the $) desktop audio amp.

I'm looking for a kinda-easy solution since I'm a total noob on the matter (wish to learn though).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 11 May 2011, 11:13:34
MATRIX MINI-I HAZaM!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Wed, 11 May 2011, 11:15:36
Quote from: didjamatic;344925
I have to agree.

I wish I could afford big tube amps for home audio but I've stuck to big solid state so far.
Denon POA-2400 that is probably related to Kit from Knight Rider
http://www.audioscope.net/images/denonpoa2400.jpg

Wish I had the coin for a pair of these tube monoblocks (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1310096758) .... 282lbs to ship!
http://pic3.audiogon.com/i/c/f/1304912723.jpg

Oh wait, we're talking HEADamps.  The FIIO E7 I have is decent for a portable with Denon AHD-2000's but I'd like to try something higher end.

 
I have a POA-2400A :)

(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/481/amp1s.png)
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5563/amp2.png)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Wed, 11 May 2011, 11:26:40
Quote from: Mazora;344959
Anyone could recommend a great (for the buck) external PC Audio card ?
Also, I would be looking for a great (bang for the $) desktop audio amp.

I'm looking for a kinda-easy solution since I'm a total noob on the matter (wish to learn though).

I don't know about external audio cards, but I am also in the market for a decent desktop amp.  I have a couple pairs of headphones and headsets, so I would like the amp to feed into a DAC with at least two outputs.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a multi-output DAC that won't hinder an amp?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 11 May 2011, 11:29:31
Quote from: phillip;344967
I have a POA-2400A :)

I don't know if mine is an A or not, but it's a Denon 2400.  I love Denon POA amps and hope to find 1-2 more 2400's so I can tri-amp my KEF Reference 203's with 660W per side :)

I also have a Denon POA1500 and love it's big VU meters
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u46/pleasurepaul/0a54_3.jpg)

I recently sold this Carver M500T to a guy who was going to use 2 of them as bridged 700W monoblocks.

Phillip, you should trade me your 2400 for a bunch of keyboards.  I'd hook you up big time.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Wed, 11 May 2011, 11:48:42
Quote from: didjamatic;344972
I don't know if mine is an A or not, but it's a Denon 2400.  I love Denon POA amps and hope to find 1-2 more 2400's so I can tri-amp my KEF Reference 203's with 660W per side :)

I also have a Denon POA1500 and love it's big VU meters
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u46/pleasurepaul/0a54_3.jpg

I recently sold this Carver M500T to a guy who was going to use 2 of them as bridged 700W monoblocks.

Phillip, you should trade me your 2400 for a bunch of keyboards.  I'd hook you up big time.

I think I'll keep it :)  Those VU meters look pretty nifty - I like the look of vintage equipment.

I dunno what the difference is between the 2400 and 2400A, but it's probably miniscule.  KEF Reference speakers are very nice, too.

You should just check ebay and audiogon often for the POA series amps though.  There are a couple on ebay right now (not 2400s).  This listing ended recently for a pair of 6600s:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Denon-POA-6600-Monoblocks-Excellent-Condition-/300553695334?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item45fa657066
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 11 May 2011, 12:24:48
SO what is this dusty Denon that you speak of Ripster?

When I get the DIY amp bug and feel safe enough to not kill myself I was going to look into Bottlehead kits but those gainclones look interesting.

Phillip, I've been debating between going for another 2200/2400/2800 (basically all the same) or an Emotiva or finding a pair of those Denon 6600 Monoblocks.  I have read though you don't want the 6600A's.  Not sure if they are bad or just not as good as the original 6600's that I think were designed by Nelson Pass.  I hear he has a silver plated OFC unix beard.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Wed, 11 May 2011, 12:45:25
Emotiva would definitely be a good choice.  I would also look for some used ATI amps.

I assume the guy who ran that ebay listing for the 6600s is the same as this guy who just put them on audiogon:
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1309391249&/Denon-POA-6600A-Monoblocks

He says this about the "A" version:
Quote
On these "A" models, Denon used something they called Optical Class A, their version of a sliding bias control via optical link, for reduced crossover distortion.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mazora on Wed, 11 May 2011, 12:56:50
Ok I get it, this thread is not for Canadia Audio noobs like me. I guess I'll have to go and read for a whole month every thread at headfi
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 11 May 2011, 13:20:25
I don't understand anything you old timers talk about. I wasn't even born when they invented the solid state amps.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 11 May 2011, 19:53:43
I hate you people. I haven't finished hacking the crap out of my Filco yet and I'm already looking at building my own DAC and Amp... this is just ridiculous.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 11 May 2011, 19:56:36
What's a DAC and should i get one?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 11 May 2011, 19:59:55
I looked at HeadFi once for five minutes.  Took me several hours to find all the pieces after my head exploded.  

http://www.amb.org/audio/gamma1/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 11 May 2011, 20:00:08
Quote from: panda-R;345159
What's a DAC and should i get one?

Makes computer sound better, and yes.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 11 May 2011, 20:01:40
My computer sounds fine.  Super quiet fans, dampened case... I'm very happy with how my computer sounds.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 11 May 2011, 20:36:47
Quote from: alaricljs;345163
My computer sounds fine.  Super quiet fans, dampened case... I'm very happy with how my computer sounds.

But the DAC will add sounds you never imagined would be there.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 11 May 2011, 20:40:17
It was hard enough getting rid of the sounds I imagined wouldn't be there... Maybe I should get noise cancelling headphones?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 11 May 2011, 20:41:57
Quote from: alaricljs;345172
It was hard enough getting rid of the sounds I imagined wouldn't be there... Maybe I should get noise cancelling headphones?

You definitely shouldn't do that
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 12 May 2011, 00:07:02
GUYS I HAVE A PROBLEM. I have these headphones called Beyerdynamic DT880's and they like don't sound good out of the headphone socket on my computer, What should I do?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 12 May 2011, 00:11:51
Quote from: harrison;345230
put them in a box and ship them to me.

address?

and would i need to insure them?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 12 May 2011, 00:17:26
Here's your tracking #: PA888NDA888R123ABC
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: khanable on Thu, 12 May 2011, 00:25:26
(http://www.khanable.com/headphones.JPG)


Love my grados :)

lil bit modified..
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 12 May 2011, 00:31:46
i like her glasses, I bet she studies physics.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 12 May 2011, 00:47:11
i dun get it!~
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 12 May 2011, 01:11:57
lulz, i such a dummie for a panda.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: strum4h on Thu, 12 May 2011, 01:19:53
Anyone have stax akg k1000 or any other electrostatic earphones?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 12 May 2011, 01:29:15
NOPE, those are too awesome.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WTFGoD on Sun, 15 May 2011, 13:45:25
does this place look legit?  (http://www.greenflymusicsupply.com/store/Superlux-by-Avlex-HD668B-Enhanced-Bass-Stereo-Headphones-p4076.html)


seems alittle too cheap?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WTFGoD on Sun, 15 May 2011, 13:55:24
lol but instills no faith
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Sun, 15 May 2011, 18:26:02
I trust no site that offers me money for no work involved AND wants to sell me stuff.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 16 May 2011, 16:13:33
I hear the Sabre chips in the Peachtree Audio products come close to the quality of that DAC-1.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 16 May 2011, 17:35:53
ripster my homieboy, u lust after gold plated RCAs? U should get the solid copper RCAs because they're solid.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Slarg on Tue, 17 May 2011, 02:45:04
Personally I have a HD555 plugged into a Asus Xonar D2X through a Grado adapter. Pretty sweet ;D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Tue, 17 May 2011, 05:28:18
Ripster, why don't just slap external coaxial or optical S/PDIF DAC and be done with it? Your motherboard must have one such output most probably. In the worst case, it will have S/PDIF header somewhere, and you'll need (few dollar) S/PDIF Out bracket like this:

(http://reset.bg/images/products/h0-product1109003.jpeg)

These high-price PC "sound cards" are a fad. One well going, it seems.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Arc'xer on Tue, 17 May 2011, 05:41:25
Quote from: ripster;347382
OK, getting pissed now.  7.1 analog on a Asus Xonar Essence is a joke without the H6.  And the H6 is like a Unicomp Mini as far as I can tell.

When you mean 7.1 analog do you mean the headphone trick using windows, dolby, and speaker separation. Or do you mean an actual 7.1 speaker setup?

Quote from: woody;347440
Ripster, why don't just slap external coaxial or optical S/PDIF DAC and be done with it? Your motherboard must have one such output most probably. In the worst case, it will have S/PDIF header somewhere, and you'll need (few dollar) S/PDIF Out bracket like this:

Because the sound card has support for the H6 daughterboard and it be a waste of money to install a optical out bracket using the motherboard onboard as source rather than the soundcard.

Quote from: woody;347440
These high-price PC "sound cards" are a fad. One well going, it seems.

Since when are soundcards a "fad"? Soundcards have been around for years and years. Why relegate yourself to onboard audio when you can enhance something that is as important as the graphics properties of computer. Sound is very good for games, movies, and music.

In some cases in particular to the xonar ST/X a lot of people will recommend them over external equipment especially at the price range, sure external can be better but considering many don't want to spend a fortune a sound card can be a good bang-for-buck sound equipment.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 17 May 2011, 09:30:56
sorry ripster my homie, i don't read. I like solid copper RCAs because they're solid and costs me $12 bux for the set.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 17 May 2011, 10:38:01
Quote from: ripster;347494
Anyone running M-audio cards  with a 7.1 analog setup?

I did briefly.  Still have the card.  Drivers sucked and with the rest of my pathetic system there was no difference between it and the mobo analog to my ears.  Then again I don't know if my ears are just ****e since I don't have anything good to check with.  The analog out on my main PC is horrific for headphones, too much hiss and extra computer noise (mouse movement, video blitting) so I use a Plantronics USB DAC.   I'm slowly working on upgrading all of this.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Tue, 17 May 2011, 11:37:40
Quote from: ripster;347342
Oh damn.  A Onkyo 7.1 soundcard (http://en.akihabaranews.com/90573/audio-systems/onkyo-releases-a-new-wavio-audio-card-powered-by-creatives-x-fi-technology).  $400.
Show Image
(http://www.akihabaranews.com/wp-content/uploads//images/3/73/90573/1.jpg)

MOAR Capacitance please!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Tue, 17 May 2011, 13:44:39
Quote from: ripster;347494
DAC seems to only make sense if I plan on doing a lot of headphone listening.
With digital music a DAC is always present somewhere. But why would you have it in an overpriced card in a noisy computer, when you have almost free digital output on the mobo nowadays and can have nice DAC/preamp conveniently outside?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: woody on Tue, 17 May 2011, 13:57:17
Dunno about 7.1, not my area. There's the myriad of Dolby acronyms I refuse to learn about. And some cheap USB DACs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 17 May 2011, 20:39:06
Windows 7 recognizes my Kennsington laptop dock as 7.1, but has only 5.0 analog out. Would it be of any value to open this up and give you a chip number?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Wed, 18 May 2011, 11:34:21
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71NOLAZPnVL._SX300_CR0,0,300,257_CR0,0,0,0_.png)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 18 May 2011, 13:42:39
Does that have a USB input?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Thu, 19 May 2011, 11:22:54
This one gets the most eggs, but for only 24 bucks, it hardly seems hifi worthy.
(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/29-180-006-Z02?$S300W$)

They swear that it is 7.1.... (the two mic ports are on the back).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pitashen on Thu, 19 May 2011, 12:21:05
Quote from: panda-R;345159
What's a DAC and should i get one?

 
DAC -> Digital to Analog Converter. It basically exists in all the pc sound cards of any kind. So in a sense you already own a DAC of some sort. The quality of DAC determines the quality of analog output (i.e. sound quality). Therefore the quality of the DAC in a sound card is actually more important than anything else on it. Well of course there is also the amplifier that affects the quality...

So in the end, you can have whatever powerful digital processing chip on the sound card and still get ****ty sound if DAC is ****ty.

Usually if someone is hardcore about it, they would use the optical out connecting to a high quality DAC and then to an amplifier that drives the speaker system or a headphone.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Thu, 19 May 2011, 12:39:23
But, is it really worth ~$1500?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pitashen on Thu, 19 May 2011, 12:43:09
I wouldn't go to that category unless I have a whole library of lossless collections, as well as a high end amp + high end speakers to match it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pitashen on Thu, 19 May 2011, 12:47:55
Quote from: pitashen;348565
I wouldn't go to that category unless I have a whole library of lossless collections, as well as a high end amp + high end speakers to match it.

With that money, I would rather get a pair of nice studio monitors for about $300~400 , an decent DAC for about $200, and a decent amp for another $200. Given that I only listen to mp3s,youtube, hulu and occasionally some not so high quality movie files.  Guess thats not even 1k!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 19 May 2011, 13:48:23
I have my small collection ripped to FLAC... it's 227GB.  Best listening device in my house so far, Sony MDR-NC50's  :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pitashen on Thu, 19 May 2011, 14:05:23
http://www.audiotrak.net/products/prodigy71hifi/

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT.html


I use none of them but i guess they are worth looking into
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 19 May 2011, 14:15:16
avsforum would be a good place to look if somehow you didn't already know about it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pitashen on Thu, 19 May 2011, 15:43:22
x-fi Forte?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NimbleRabit on Thu, 19 May 2011, 18:49:11
Quote from: ripster;348608
Hmm... nobody has a 7.1 sound card they use personally and recommend?  Something OTHER than Creative please.

Somebody post this question at HeadFi.

No.  Who in gods name uses 7.1 on their PC these days?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Arc'xer on Thu, 19 May 2011, 21:50:41
Quote from: NimbleRabit;348731
No.  Who in gods name uses 7.1 on their PC these days?


Are you serious or trolling?

Many use 5.1/7.1. Sure stereo is more convenient for space(5.1/7.1 emulation) but there's quite a lot of multi-channel users out there.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Fri, 20 May 2011, 12:18:28
Sorry, on-topic post.
I needed portable closed on-ear headphones with low impedance and good bass, so I got the HD25's(the Adidas edition, because it looks ****ing awesome).

Pretty good stuff, recommended.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Fri, 20 May 2011, 12:33:04
For gaming purposes I use the PC161. Thought about buying a HMD25, but then I would need to mod the connectors and get an XLR->USB mic amp.

Meh. Convenience wins.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Fri, 20 May 2011, 13:46:04
HaveANiceDay, were they the HD 25-1 II or the SP? I loved the 25-1 IIs (confusing naming scheme ftl). Get a standalone mic and use them for gaming!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Fri, 20 May 2011, 14:07:39
Those with the split headband, so the 25-1 II. Thought about modding them with a mic, but I'd need to get an extra pair as these are only for my listening needs.
Yesterday an ebay auction ended with the HMD 25's for the price of regular HD, it was a good deal but I'm feeling too lazy to mod anything right now.

Here's a pic I stole from here (http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/5254/sennheiser-adidas-hd-25-1-ii-headphones-review)
(http://i.imgur.com/91il5.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 20 May 2011, 15:31:39
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;349067
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/91il5.jpg)

he - I read all the reviews and listened to the experts and compared specifications before I made my decision.

she - Which headphones did you get?

he - The blue ones!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Fri, 20 May 2011, 16:12:43
Research is important. Then you go to the store and try the candidates. Then you buy the pretty version of the winner!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Fri, 20 May 2011, 17:22:40
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;349125
Research is important. Then you go to the store and try the candidates. Then you buy the pretty version of the winner!

Yes, but its that trying part that is hard.  Headphones are almost as bad as mechanical keyboards.  You might have to travel to try some.

Portland OR, has a wonderful store called 32ohm audio.  They even have hi end senheiser and beyer that you can pick up and listen to.  Some hifi audio places have similar offerings, but wide selections seem to be rare.  I hope other cities are as lucky as I am here.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Fri, 20 May 2011, 17:26:09
Quote from: ripster;349171
What if the GF wears pink Nikes?
Show Image
(http://static.igossip.com/photos_2/may_2011/christina_ricci.jpg)

Then she needs to stop wearing my shoes god dammit!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: doublethink on Fri, 20 May 2011, 19:48:35
hd280 pro 64ohm + asus xonar + belkin volume knob.

goodbye krackle creative.   ill deal with software volume if i get proper impedance matching. :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ficklampa on Thu, 26 May 2011, 05:51:57
I have some headphones here and there, seems like I mostly get those from Germany for some reason...

Sennheiser HD555, not modded since I didn't know about the mod since like yesterday. Using these for my gaming desktop, with a Zalman MIC-1 microphone, second pair.
Beyerdynamic DT250 some wiring problem I think, sound crackles sometimes so I hardly use them any more.
AKG K26p somewhat used for my iphone
Grado SR80 + MIC-1 connected with a Griffin iMic (I think it's called) to my macbook
Plantronics X95 for xbox 360

The HD555 goes through an X-can V2 (with X-psu) headphone amp to my Asus Xonar-soundcard.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Thu, 26 May 2011, 09:43:19
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;349067
Those with the split headband, so the 25-1 II. Thought about modding them with a mic, but I'd need to get an extra pair as these are only for my listening needs.
Yesterday an ebay auction ended with the HMD 25's for the price of regular HD, it was a good deal but I'm feeling too lazy to mod anything right now.

Here's a pic I stole from

I have a pair of those and I got them for only 160€ Brand new,
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 31 May 2011, 22:31:38
They could at least learn proper English...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ficklampa on Wed, 01 June 2011, 20:27:19
So... I did the 595-mod. I like it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ficklampa on Wed, 01 June 2011, 20:37:23
555 -> 595 mod that is.
Running them on the old X-can 2. Tubes ftw.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: curzen on Fri, 03 June 2011, 13:03:46
Had the Sony MDR V6 delivered about an hour ago. I'd say they are pretty awesome, despite no 5000 hour break in yet to hear the echo of the big bang in my audiophile cables made from spun elementium by 40 year old virgins. yeah. headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Fri, 03 June 2011, 13:06:35
I finally got around to replacing my HT subwoofer.  Ordered an Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX last night, and I can't wait for it to get here :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Fri, 03 June 2011, 13:27:15
Yeah, I really wanted a Rythmik FV15/FV15HP but they were out of my price range...I'd actually be more than happy with any of the Rythmik options, since they would certainly be much better than my previous subwoofer (JBL Venue SUB12).  I'd also have to pay tax on a Rythmik since they're based in Austin :(

The subs I was really looking at:
HSU VTF-2.3
HSU VTF-3.3
Outlaw LFM-1 Plus
Outlaw LFM-EX
Elemental Designs A3-300
Epik Legend

Basically a bunch of subs in the $600-700 range.  Outlaw started a sale on their subs yesterday that was 15% off and free shipping...so instead of paying $739 shipped for the LFM-1 EX, I got it for $552 :D

I'd like to get an Emotiva Ultra Sub 12 for my computer system too, but I can't afford that right now.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ricercar on Sat, 04 June 2011, 21:42:53
Quote from: curzen;355250
Had the Sony MDR V6

These are the buckling spring of headphones. They last and last and won't die even long after we discover something better. Mine are 24 years old and still deliver. Not many phone models on the market a quarter century, let alone lasting that long.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: curzen on Sat, 04 June 2011, 23:10:34
Quote from: ricercar;355725
These are the buckling spring of headphones. They last and last and won't die even long after we discover something better. Mine are 24 years old and still deliver. Not many phone models on the market a quarter century, let alone lasting that long.

Koss has a bunch of near ancient models still for sale, I just can't bring myself to like them. too bulky. And unless I'm mistaken they have fiunally ceased production of the Pro4aa's.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sinis on Sun, 05 June 2011, 21:13:49
here: AKG k530, an 50ohm, affordable, so i could get a soundcard with headphone-amp. Had a sennheiser for more than 5 years - it was some hd 4xx I think, cant f$%&in find it on the web. It broke something like 18 month ago. god, i loved it. rip
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ficklampa on Tue, 07 June 2011, 12:58:45
I tried a pair of Koss Porta Pro. Almost killed myself.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Tue, 07 June 2011, 13:12:29
That data is almost 10 years old. Bit long in the tooth if you ask me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Tue, 07 June 2011, 13:26:01
sub arrived today :)
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1189/outlaw1.jpg)

I would like to rearrange my room to make it fit better, but I need to be getting back to work :(
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Tue, 07 June 2011, 14:07:15
Yeah, I really like the look of the speaker drivers.

It's actually not a gloss finish on the sub - it's got an inlaid plexiglass top, which is fairly unique.  Unfortunately some of the glue wasn't fully set (or whatever) so it separated a little.  I pushed it down, but it's not perfectly smooth.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Tue, 07 June 2011, 14:51:34
I just called and spoke to Scott about my sub's imperfections - very nice and helpful.  Unfortunately they can't replace just the plexiglass top, but they offered to replace the sub without me having any downtime.  They'll send me a prepaid shipping label in the mail along with a new sub, and I can just mail the old one back whenever I receive the new sub.  He also offered me a discount but I need to send him detailed photos first to see how much they'd offer me.  Either solution works for me though...I like customer service like that :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: curzen on Tue, 07 June 2011, 17:18:15
it would be finlandians leading the suicide charts if not for all the booze
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 07 June 2011, 17:22:11
I'll post more pictures in this (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?18601-New-headphone-rig) thread

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1341/img4310wa.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ethics- on Tue, 14 June 2011, 19:02:44
I recently lost my Klipsch S4i earbuds that I use with my phone. I loved the sound isolation and the boomy bass on them. Any suggestions on my next pair of headphones? I've looked into Ety mc3s, but people said that the bass might be a bit disappointing if Im coming from the Klipsch.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ethics- on Tue, 14 June 2011, 19:12:32
I have a pair of Sennheiser 555s that I have at home. Earbuds are for commuting, librarying, etc.

Out of curiosity, have you heard about the 555s being equivalent to the 595s once you remove a piece of dampening foam?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ethics- on Tue, 14 June 2011, 20:43:51
Ah, I guess if I would have read the last two pages, I would have discovered that the mod was already mentioned :|
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ethics- on Tue, 14 June 2011, 21:58:03
Nope.  But I did look at some banana holders after seeing some users here with them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ficklampa on Sat, 18 June 2011, 07:13:59
@ripster many people see to be complaining about Sennheisers buds. Seem to be bad quality and not so good audio performance compared to other brands... :/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: posthaste on Sat, 18 June 2011, 08:43:49
Ripster, why did you select the 8 gigabyte Sony Walkman over the 16GB version?  

I'm thinking of buying one and am curious if there's something I should know.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyboardlover on Sat, 18 June 2011, 08:46:57
Quote from: ripster;362841
However I've had good luck with Sennys in the past and doubt it's a manufacturing issue just like the Filco ping issue has been proven to not be a manufacturing issue.

 
I've yet to see conclusive evidence that the Filco issue is not a manufacturing issue. It is definitely a QA issue as some boards do it while others don't, and we've found that putting foam inside the case helps. Which means that not all the keyboards are getting put together quite properly. Which...is...a...manufacturing...issue.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Sat, 18 June 2011, 09:17:09
These headphones has the best and most rich sound I ever heard:

Sennheiser HD 800
(http://media.headphone.com/productphotos/large/0020080800_3759.jpg)

If you are looking for a really good amp, this is it:

HeadRoom Balanced Ultra Desktop Amp (BUDA)
(http://media.headphone.com/productphotos/small/0000012550_3891.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Sat, 18 June 2011, 09:29:41
Quote from: ripster;362867
$1500 seems a bit high.

 
I believe even though the HD800 is very expensive, I will still recommend it to others
because I believe that what you pay is what you get and it is certainly like no other headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Sat, 18 June 2011, 09:40:43
HD800 it's like a Porsche for your ears! German engineering at it's finest!

The HD800 is hand-assembled in the Sennheiser global headquarters in Germany using only the finest, most luxurious materials.
In fact, even just checking out the stainless steel earpieces of the HD800 is enough to display the highest standard of engineering
design that went into the production of it. Aside from the stainless steel earpieces, the HD800 also has a stainless steel mesh and
earpad cushions made from a special micro-fiber from the luxury car industry.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Sat, 18 June 2011, 10:23:39
Quote from: ripster;362876
That does it.

I'm typing up my Braun German Engineering thread as we speak.

For sure you bought a series 7, do you ? ;)

I'd recommend this ...
(http://www.scharferladen.de/shop/images/9900-rasiermesser-pfalume.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Sat, 18 June 2011, 11:13:12
I've never heard the hd800s, but my frien who's up in portland listened to them at 32 ohm audio and sai he enjoyed the lcd2s much more, although the highs aparently are more pronounced in the hd 800
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Sat, 18 June 2011, 11:32:33
Quote from: ripster;362919
And they are american made.

(http://cms.whathifi.com/Images/137570fe9bli.jpg)


 (http://www.whathifi.com/blog/sennheiser-hd800-hands-on-preview-plus-how-the-163-1000-headphones-are-built)
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How are headphones made?
All Sennheiser HD800 headphones are hand-made at the Hannover production facility. In theory, they could make 5000 pairs a year, but manufacturing capacity is flexible to meet demand.
If all components are to hand, it takes around 45 minutes for a series of skilled workers to assemble a pair of HD800s – after which each set of Sennheisers is tested (of which more later).
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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Sat, 18 June 2011, 11:38:12
I kinda don't like pre-assembly line production methods in this day and age for something as mechanically simple as Headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Sat, 18 June 2011, 11:56:31
Quote from: ripster;362941
I was talking about the LCD2s being american made.
Ok , get it.

(http://sixmoons.com/audioreviews/audeze/2.jpg)
Looks nice and it costs only ~ 660€. It COULD be the Leopold of headphones ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Sat, 18 June 2011, 17:51:33
I always thought LCD-2s were closed but Tyll Hertsens lists their measurements in the circumaural open category. And having taken his pair apart, he ought to know. Go figure.

These orthos are doing pretty well in measurements actually, particularly low-frequency distortion (regardless of whether it's the LCD-2 or one of the Hifiman units). Conventional open cans can't touch them in that regard. Their impedance response is pretty much ruler-flat, too. They are, however, quite inefficient. LCD-2s already are the least critical of the bunch, so I'd trust even a rather inexpensive amp like the FiiO E9 to drive them fairly well. Still, any old Cmoy can drive a HD800.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Sat, 18 June 2011, 18:18:38
I find the LCD-2 to be well driven by relatively weaker amps. My ibasso d10 cobra with the gain drove them past my listen volume.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Sat, 18 June 2011, 18:40:27
This IS the Optimus Maximus of headphones ...
(http://zapp2.staticworld.net/news/graphics/162869-HE90_orpheus_575.jpg) (http://www.stereophile.com/headphones/sennheiser_orpheus_he_90_headphones/index.html)
This thing is really expensive - and no longer available !!! Need mo money :(
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Sat, 18 June 2011, 18:47:28
I always say: If it looks too fancy, it probably is.
Also, being the Optimus Maximus of headphones is not really a compliment.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Sat, 18 June 2011, 19:04:00
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;363100
I always say: If it looks too fancy, it probably is.
It's too much expensive for me to afford :( The price for a HE 90+HEV 90 was $12,900 (in 1995!)
But i think if looks and sound quality could kill, this system would be deadly.

Quote from: HaveANiceDay;363100
Also, being the Optimus Maximus of headphones is not really a compliment.
Yepp, right. But finally i didn't mean it like that. Better: It is the Optimus Maximus of headphones because of the price.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Sat, 18 June 2011, 19:14:18
The heat from those tubes may indeed be lethal.
I don't like "warm" sounding electronic music. Good for a guitar amp, I guess.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Backward_Pawn on Sun, 19 June 2011, 00:06:10
I use AD700 plugged into an X-Fi Ti HD.  I want to eventually get an amp and a pair of DT990s, but for now these are really good for the money.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ficklampa on Sun, 19 June 2011, 15:31:34
Just compared Koss Porta Pro, AKG K26p and Grado SR80. What a piece of junk those Koss are. Too much base, hardly heard what the singer sang in ZZ Top - Gimme all your lovin.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MissileMike on Sun, 19 June 2011, 16:52:12
Quote from: ficklampa;363542
Just compared Koss Porta Pro, AKG K26p and Grado SR80. What a piece of junk those Koss are. Too much base, hardly heard what the singer sang in ZZ Top - Gimme all your lovin.

You have to cut a nickel-sized hole in the porta pro foam for them to sound any good. After that, they're great for the price- but would never touch the SR-80 for sound quality.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nolo on Mon, 20 June 2011, 21:05:59
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;363110
The heat from those tubes may indeed be lethal.
I don't like "warm" sounding electronic music. Good for a guitar amp, I guess.

Maybe right. Don't know. Never listen to that headphones :(

Btw .. Electronic music
[video=youtube;7RqvPkByI1A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RqvPkByI1A[/video]

[video=youtube;kdZKhsk01kc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdZKhsk01kc[/video]
sounds best with my current configuration :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: strum4h on Wed, 22 June 2011, 01:39:22
I want to try a pair of stax so badly lol.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Wed, 22 June 2011, 03:06:05
Quote from: ironman31;363089
I find the LCD-2 to be well driven by relatively weaker amps. My ibasso d10 cobra with the gain drove them past my listen volume.

Make sure you tighten the screws once in a while.  My right screw has made some mild marks on the wood because I wasn't careful and didn't see it being loose.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Wed, 22 June 2011, 07:57:41
Quote from: ficklampa;363542
Just compared Koss Porta Pro, AKG K26p and Grado SR80. What a piece of junk those Koss are. Too much base, hardly heard what the singer sang in ZZ Top - Gimme all your lovin.

To be fair, the Porta Pro's are only $20. I like em.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 22 June 2011, 09:13:26
Quote from: flaming_june;365121
Make sure you tighten the screws once in a while.  My right screw has made some mild marks on the wood because I wasn't careful and didn't see it being loose.

The philips head screws? So far mine seem to be holding up. How long did it take for yours to loosen?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MissileMike on Wed, 22 June 2011, 09:39:14
Quote from: ripster;365217
Ditto on that!!!!
I used to use a behind the neck variation for jogging and if they were still made I still would be still.

You're referring to the ksc-55, they were great!  After they went out of production, i got a bunch for $3 each on ebay- I still use them sometimes.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Bilbin on Wed, 22 June 2011, 09:41:24
Those Koss were amazing before I decided to make it more 'open' by making the holes bigger.

Accidentally stabbed one of the drivers and it's all crackly so I don't use them anymore :(

It seems as if the really cheap 75s might be some knock offs because of the plastic casing covering the driver instead of metal.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MissileMike on Wed, 22 June 2011, 09:51:12
99$, wow....  and they sure weren't the most comfortable headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MissileMike on Wed, 22 June 2011, 10:00:33
so dreamy!

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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ficklampa on Wed, 22 June 2011, 13:02:13
Quote from: MissileMike;363574
You have to cut a nickel-sized hole in the porta pro foam for them to sound any good. After that, they're great for the price- but would never touch the SR-80 for sound quality.

Just in the foam or also in the plastic?

Quote from: Daniel Beaver;365190
To be fair, the Porta Pro's are only $20. I like em.

Yes, I know. But everyone seems so excited about them here. Head loads of good stuff, good reviews etc... Had more expectations from them, which I know I shouldn't have had from the first place... Didn't pay for them anyway so it's alright. Should probably give them away to someone that likes them. :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Thu, 23 June 2011, 05:11:49
Quote from: ironman31;365216
The philips head screws? So far mine seem to be holding up. How long did it take for yours to loosen?

 
It didn't take long, but I didn't notice for a long time.

Some of my earlier headphones and gear

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss68/yellowt/9bb17905.jpg)
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss68/yellowt/SDC10155.jpg)
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss68/yellowt/SDC10154.jpg)
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss68/yellowt/SDC10174.jpg)
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss68/yellowt/DSCF0030.jpg)

Kinda sorry to say, that's not even half my collection.  My friend's a headfi member since 05 and I joined in 06.  Spent literally thousands since.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Thu, 23 June 2011, 07:44:18
Quote from: ripster;365244
Please note.   "Fly Eyes" is not an Asian joke.
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The internet taught me that racism is Okay as long as Kim Jong-il is the butt of the joke.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 23 June 2011, 09:05:21
Quote from: flaming_june;365955
It didn't take long, but I didn't notice for a long time.

Some of my earlier headphones and gear

Kinda sorry to say, that's not even half my collection.  My friend's a headfi member since 05 and I joined in 06.  Spent literally thousands since.

I was about to buy a pair of RS1i's, but I decided to go all out and get something different than the Grado sound I've heard the past couple years.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Sun, 03 July 2011, 01:30:32
Just bought a pair of these: AKG Q701 (just the K701 in colors).

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JsK8VN7tL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I have an ART Headamp4, but its not enough to drive these things.  I would like to get a shiit Asgard, but I'm open to other ideas.  Is the HT Omega Claro Halo headphone amp worth comparing to a dedicated amp?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Mon, 04 July 2011, 00:51:43
After some research, I think the FiiO E9 would be a less expensive alternative. Thoughts?  It's not a  head-fi fave, but I'm not discouraged by that.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Mon, 04 July 2011, 06:16:53
I think you should just resell the q701s and get a 501 instead.  If you just want to update your amp, then it's time to get the Concerto.  If on a tighter budget, then a dynalo would be good.  After being in the hobby since pre 06, I never like to see people go with flavor of the month products like asgard or lyr.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Mon, 04 July 2011, 06:49:34
Quote from: digitalleftovers;372317
I have an ART Headamp4, but its not enough to drive these things.  I would like to get a shiit Asgard, but I'm open to other ideas.  Is the HT Omega Claro Halo headphone amp worth comparing to a dedicated amp?

It's a TPA6120A2 job like you'll also find on an Asus Xonar Essence ST/STX or in a FiiO E9. Should be fine for driving '701s.

The E9 actually wouldn't be a bad match - it's got plenty of gain, too (10 / 18 dB), and them AKGs won't care about the 10 ohm output impedance or show any noise. If you already have a nice soundcard, this would be one to look at. I'd trust a Meier or Lake People amp more when it comes to sustaining high output power, but those also are more expensive.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Mon, 04 July 2011, 20:28:07
No doubt both can drive the 701s, just not very well.  I can run my 600ohm t1 off onboard but it doesn't compare to my mid fi or expensive amps.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Tue, 05 July 2011, 00:08:04
Any thoughts on some of the "little brother" hi-fi stuff? Like the Matrix M-Stage, Corda Swing, or even the Burson H-160...  I wish I could listen to some of the higher end amps to know if it was actually worth the extra money to me.  I think thats the real issue.  I suppose I had a similar dilemma when I got my first Cherry keyboard, but at least I had the urging of a trusted friend.  I'm more on my own with this audio endeavor.  Speaking of Endeavors, I want my round 3 blanks!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrAndersson on Tue, 05 July 2011, 07:31:46
I just got myself the steelseries siberiav2 - in red! Its totally awesome, good bass and super comfortable. wondering how it will be on warm days cuz of the leather earcups, will keep you updated!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Tue, 05 July 2011, 09:10:13
FWIW, I think the KSC35s are equal to or better than the Alessandro MS-1s. I'm pretty sure the Alessandros are the exact same as Grado SR-80. If I remember correctly, the PortaPros use the same drivers as the KSC35s.

My knowledge is fuzzy after so many years of being a speaker convert. YOU SHOULD ALL CONVERT NO EXCUSES!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 05 July 2011, 10:02:19
Quote from: kpeezy;373671
FWIW, I think the KSC35s are equal to or better than the Alessandro MS-1s. I'm pretty sure the Alessandros are the exact same as Grado SR-80. If I remember correctly, the PortaPros use the same drivers as the KSC35s.

My knowledge is fuzzy after so many years of being a speaker convert. YOU SHOULD ALL CONVERT NO EXCUSES!

With headphones you don't need a room for listening to music... and its cheaper. Of course I would like to buy some, but later in life when I can afford a nice setup.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: xargos on Tue, 05 July 2011, 11:10:11
Good to see that there are people around here that actually care about sound quality.

Personally, I have Sennheiser HD590 headphones hooked into a Little Dot I+ hybrid headphone amp.  Occasionally I will use a surprisingly decent pair of JVC HA-RX700 headphones with the amp if I want to drown out a little bit of the outside world.

Right now the audio source is an Entech Number Cruncher 205.2 DAC hooked up to a nettop with my CD collection stored in FLAC format.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 05 July 2011, 12:24:39
If you're really stuck on keeping the q701, then Burson h160 is a good route to go.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Tue, 05 July 2011, 13:23:59
Quote from: ironman31;373683
With headphones you don't need a room for listening to music... and its cheaper. Of course I would like to buy some, but later in life when I can afford a nice setup.

Eh, unless you're in a dorm or some shared bedroom then I don't see the issue. I use Amphion Helium2s on a desktop and it's amazing. There are much smaller monitors too that would work well.

Disclosure: I think speakers are inherently better than headphones and the gap is widened even further by the used prices on speakers. I think people forget about nearfield setups.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Tue, 05 July 2011, 17:21:52
On further inspection of the meier audio page, it looks like the Concerto is no longer available and will be replaced with the Corda Classic in September.  I can't find any info about it, but I may message Jan and ask.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 05 July 2011, 19:26:09
Quote from: kpeezy;373799
Eh, unless you're in a dorm or some shared bedroom then I don't see the issue. I use Amphion Helium2s on a desktop and it's amazing. There are much smaller monitors too that would work well.

Disclosure: I think speakers are inherently better than headphones and the gap is widened even further by the used prices on speakers. I think people forget about nearfield setups.

With my limited experience with a nice speaker setup, I feel that high end headphone systems can be quite nice when compared to equivalent, sometimes more expensive, tower speakers. Though this is only coming from me listening to a couple setups in Audio Alternative in Atlanta.

The Vandersteen VII rig was by far the most realistic sounding peach of audio equipment I've ever heard. And again, I think the entire setup was around 100,000 USD. I also listened to a pair of planar magnetic speakers (around 10k for the pair) and was not immediately impressed. I feel my LCD-2's gave them a run for their money at a fraction of the cost.

Again, these are just limited impressions.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 05 July 2011, 19:47:33
Quote from: digitalleftovers;373971
On further inspection of the meier audio page, it looks like the Concerto is no longer available and will be replaced with the Corda Classic in September.  I can't find any info about it, but I may message Jan and ask.

Second hand man.  There's at least one on sale on headfi right now.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: eyesnine on Tue, 05 July 2011, 21:38:09
Audio Technica ATH-M50. They're really nice.

Good isolation, so I can use them when recording. Deep bass, so I know what's at the low end of my mixes. Excellent detail for editing and getting the settings just right when mastering and mixing. A jack of all trades - outstanding value for audio hobbyists.

I use an E-MU 0404 USB for editing and production work, and an E-MU Tracker Pre for recording. They work well and the converters are the best available for the money. They're the no frills high quality solution.

As for the monitors vs headphones debate...

To some degree it's a matter of personal preference, though I don't entirely agree with that viewpoint. Headphones can offer a level of detail that is not obtainable through monitors. Also, headphones can offer a wider frequency range for the money, by far. For the money, in the $100 headphone vs $100 monitors category, headphones win. Hands down. Really the competition isn't even remotely close.

That said, mastering and mixing on headphones is a bad idea. It's too hard to get the levels right. Headphones have so much detail that some parts that are perfectly audible over headphones completely disappear into the mix over monitors.

Also, speakers are better for casual listening, movies and such. Wearing headphones is a chore sometimes.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 05 July 2011, 21:58:15
Quote from: eyesnine;374227
Also, speakers are better for casual listening, movies and such. Wearing headphones is a chore sometimes.

This is my only problem with headphone listening. Sometimes I don't really feel like something on my head for an extended period of time, especially when I'm wearing glasses. And headphone listening completely takes away the possibility of walking around and doing other things while listening.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 05 July 2011, 23:52:55
They're also for different applications.  One maybe for hosting a dinner party, while another for quiet personal listening session in an apartment or townhouse when isolation is important.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: shortround on Wed, 06 July 2011, 00:58:24
Quote from: ripster;365244
Made you look like you had Fly Eyes on the side of your head.

Please note.   "Fly Eyes" is not an Asian joke.
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He's been among us for a while now:


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Tiger's mom:
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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bcpk on Wed, 06 July 2011, 08:20:40
AD700 + NuForce uDAC 2 for srs bsns gaming. Otherwise Superlux HD668B.
Fischer DBA-02s + RB'd Sansa Fuze for music.
Meelec Ai-M6P for phone.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: MrAndersson on Thu, 07 July 2011, 06:13:51
So what i found is that my ears can get a little sweaty after about 6 hours of useage which imo is ok - this is the first headset I have had that doesnt hurt the top of my ears. Siberiav2 is my best buy so far, they rock!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thp777 on Thu, 07 July 2011, 08:02:34
Ultimate Ears TripleFI 10 in ear monitors with comply foams. I use them for everything even xbox . planning on getting them custom molded soon. maybe in a dark red or blue.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Fri, 08 July 2011, 00:27:23
Quote from: thp777;375321
Ultimate Ears TripleFI 10 in ear monitors with comply foams. I use them for everything even xbox . planning on getting them custom molded soon. maybe in a dark red or blue.

That's a hella lot to spend on a mid fi iem.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: skyblue on Fri, 08 July 2011, 03:12:58
I know this is probably not the best thread to put this in, but I know nothing about audio systems and am looking for some advice.

Want to upgrade the sound system on my rig (using some basic $10 set up right now) and am looking at this system:

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=41_535&item_id=026573

Is this any good for an entry level system? It's only going to be used for music and gaming, I don't really need anything high end.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thp777 on Fri, 08 July 2011, 07:16:17
Quote from: flaming_june;375913
That's a hella lot to spend on a mid fi iem.
i managed to get my iems new for $80 and the reshell is only about $125 at most depending on how much impressions cost me. I dont really like having regular headphones on and i dont NEED to shell out alot for anything super high quality atm because these sound quite nice to me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: keyb_gr on Fri, 08 July 2011, 09:36:51
Quote from: skyblue;376007
I know this is probably not the best thread to put this in, but I know nothing about audio systems and am looking for some advice.

Want to upgrade the sound system on my rig (using some basic $10 set up right now) and am looking at this system:

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=41_535&item_id=026573

Is this any good for an entry level system? It's only going to be used for music and gaming, I don't really need anything high end.
Looks to be OK for a cheapie 2.1. From what I could find, it's no miracle in bass and highs quality, but distortion is relatively low.

You can try stuffing an old sock into the bass reflex port to combat boominess, and keep the sub away from walls and the floor, maybe even put it ON the desk if at all possible.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bcpk on Sun, 10 July 2011, 14:25:16
Quote from: ripster;376116
Puiin PK3s!
[IMG]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6024/5884989322_1e68ccf099_z.jpg[IMG]

The HeadFi hype is justified.

At least for $40 price range.

Yuin.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Sun, 10 July 2011, 23:20:07
I'm content with my AD700s, but I still wonder how much better it can possibly get.

Unfortunately, the answer is an expensive one...when I can afford it, I'm entering the exotic world of electrostatics. Seems like they're the way to go for soundstage and imaging, though the other aspects of sound quality aren't hurt either. (Just don't expect bass slam.)

Seems like certain vintage Stax earspeaker models can be had for under $200, but that's only part of the equation when it comes to electrostatics. They need amplification, and the amplifiers themselves (specific to electrostatics, I might add) can be crazy expensive as well, sometimes more than the earspeakers themselves. There are cheaper transformers like the SRD-6/7, but those require speaker-level output from a speaker amplifier (which I fortunately have access to in the form of a couple of old receivers).

Does anyone here have experience with that stuff?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aggiejy on Mon, 11 July 2011, 00:54:53
This thread makes me sad.  I just put my DT 770 Pro 80 on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230645602067&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT) today.  Loved them, though I have to say they aren't as comfortable to me as may others have said.  I used to have some Sony headphones with a suspension type thing on the top of my head that was SUPER comfortable.  But I lost them and don't remember what they were. :-/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: suntorytime on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:34:13
Quote from: aggiejy;377958
This thread makes me sad.  I just put my DT 770 Pro 80 on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230645602067&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT) today.  Loved them, though I have to say they aren't as comfortable to me as may others have said.  I used to have some Sony headphones with a suspension type thing on the top of my head that was SUPER comfortable.  But I lost them and don't remember what they were. :-/

They were either the Sony MDR-F1 or SA range i.e. SA3000, SA5000. I had the MDR-F1 and it was the most comfortable headphone i've owned. On another note re Dt770 pro's I agree they aren't as comfortable as people make out due largely imho to the high clamping force in used in the pro range. I got around this by extending the clamps as far as possible and using J Money lambskin ear pads (dealing with him directly was a pain though, and not recommended). The ear pads are thick enough to keep it on my noggin. Either way I very much dislike the sound from the dt770, it's boomy with little control in bass, lack of midrange and ear piercing highs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 14 July 2011, 03:19:37
Clamping force will reduce over time just by wearing them. Yea, when I got my DT880 Pro's fresh out of the box, they weren't nearly as comfortable as the old Sennheisers. By now, the force is about the same, though the Senns are still the comfort winners. I love the heavy, coiled cables of the Pro line and the 'built like a tank' anodized alu frame though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheGreatAmphibianPling on Thu, 14 July 2011, 07:41:47
Quote from: kpeezy;373799
Eh, unless you're in a dorm or some shared bedroom then I don't see the [need for a listening room].

Room acoustics have a big effect on sound quality. For a certain value of "big", that is. You can spend as much money as you like on speakers but if the room is wrong and you're unwilling to tweak it, then Mr Physics he say "Turn that racket off!" Of course that doesn't mean a tweaked room has to be only for listening to music. And some rooms will need little to no tweaking.

Quote
I use Amphion Helium2s on a desktop and it's amazing. There are much smaller monitors too that would work well.

Disclosure: I think speakers are inherently better than headphones and the gap is widened even further by the used prices on speakers.

IEMs made junk of this reasoning quite a few years ago. In so far as "Inherently better" was ever reasoning. Which was always very little as you don't give any reasons! And anyway "better" is extremely subjective - it may include requirements like isolation and portability. At a given level of quality, speakers cost twice (or more - much more!) than conventional headphones, and conventional headphones twice as much as IEMs. (Well, arguably - it depends how much you believe in the existence of and importance of "sound stage" effects.) Plus they're easy to drive without distortion, so you can forget an amp if your source has a decent built-in one.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 14 July 2011, 07:53:11
For instance I can't bother to pay good money on speakers for either my desk or living room.  The desk is on a balcony/loft, speakers are placed such that the back is against open air.  Also, I can place the sub vent pointed at the carpeted floor or at the side of my desk.  The living room is what the loft looks over, it has a vaulted ceiling at ~45 angle with a 22ft peak, also open onto the dining room under the loft.  One speaker is corner placed and the other backs onto yet more open air where the stairs to the front door/basement are.

Amazing bass amplification/concentration of the living room speakers if I'm sitting at my desk and there's no sound-stage whatsoever no matter where you go.

This is why I'm looking into better headphones than I have rather than a new set of speakers.  I did learn however that the speakers I have had for the last 15 years are amazing not only to my own ears, but others as well... Clements di-108's, I was rather pleased to find out I had chosen wisely when I was a kid.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Bry on Mon, 18 July 2011, 10:02:37
I have a pair of A40's and the astro mixamp. Nothing special but they serve me well as a gamer.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 19 July 2011, 03:10:40
i'm getting a bluetooth adapter for my computer
i have a jawbone BT earpiece that i use for work/personal all day, ppl say it's the best BT i've used and sounds great.
Gonna try to pair this up with computer and see how it works with dragon(dictate)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bcpk on Wed, 20 July 2011, 11:06:39
Quote from: NamelessPFG;377899
I'm content with my AD700s, but I still wonder how much better it can possibly get.

Unfortunately, the answer is an expensive one...when I can afford it, I'm entering the exotic world of electrostatics. Seems like they're the way to go for soundstage and imaging, though the other aspects of sound quality aren't hurt either. (Just don't expect bass slam.)

Seems like certain vintage Stax earspeaker models can be had for under $200, but that's only part of the equation when it comes to electrostatics. They need amplification, and the amplifiers themselves (specific to electrostatics, I might add) can be crazy expensive as well, sometimes more than the earspeakers themselves. There are cheaper transformers like the SRD-6/7, but those require speaker-level output from a speaker amplifier (which I fortunately have access to in the form of a couple of old receivers).

Does anyone here have experience with that stuff?


Next step up from the AD700s is probably the AKG K701s. However, unlike the AD700s, the K701s are very demanding in terms of driving power - you will need an amplifier that costs as much as the headphones themselves to get the best out of them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Yngwie on Fri, 22 July 2011, 08:38:47
I use a pair of AKG K702's for home listening and Triple Fi 10's for portable. Unfortunately I don't have a headphone amp yet :(
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Fri, 22 July 2011, 16:27:07
Quote from: bcpk;384054
Next step up from the AD700s is probably the AKG K701s. However, unlike the AD700s, the K701s are very demanding in terms of driving power - you will need an amplifier that costs as much as the headphones themselves to get the best out of them.
Let me guess-the one in my new-to-me X-Fi Forte isn't going to cut it. (This is an amp where I have to drive all my current headphones at either 5% or 6% volume! 4% and below might as well be 0%, mute. 7% and up is too loud to be comfortable.) But amplifiers aren't really for the volume so much as making sure the drivers get the current (dynamic drivers, anyway) they need to function to their fullest, right?

I'm also hearing recommendations for the Ultrasone Pro 900s in terms of gaming with HRTFs, though those probably need a good amp too.

Those are still dynamics, though...but if the X-Fi Forte dynamic headphone amp is enough, it'll save a considerable bit of expense (and desk space for an old receiver to feed a cheap SRD-series energizer if going the Stax route).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ViciousXUSMC on Mon, 25 July 2011, 09:38:05
AD700, A700, Hfi 2400

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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WasabiJ on Mon, 25 July 2011, 21:03:34
Sony XB-1000's

Only person in Afghaniland with them.

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MOOOOOAAAAARRRRR BAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS.

My FiiO e7+e9 combo took a fall and now I'm just using a nuForce μDac.

I plan on rebuilding a collection when I return to the states, starting with a Schiit DAC+Lyr combo.  Yay for built in Toslink from a company I love and respect!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ViciousXUSMC on Mon, 25 July 2011, 22:14:26
I have a uDAC-2 and like it its what I use for my laptop.

At home I use the NuForce HDP

I was maybe thinking of getting the e7 & e9 combo at one point in time.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheChillburger on Mon, 25 July 2011, 22:20:50
Audio Technical AD700 into an Asus Xonar DX sound card. A nice bang for your buck and super comfy.

Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WasabiJ on Tue, 26 July 2011, 03:42:52
Quote from: ViciousXUSMC;387172
I have a uDAC-2 and like it its what I use for my laptop.

At home I use the NuForce HDP

I was maybe thinking of getting the e7 & e9 combo at one point in time.

It's a really good deal for the money.  I just didn't wanna drop another $150 on the combo when I'm gonna be deployed, and possibly break them again.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: 4LI4Z on Wed, 27 July 2011, 09:57:33
I have a AKG K530 and I love it for gaming and especially listening to music. Its an awesome headphone for 60 bucks, great.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Dox on Tue, 02 August 2011, 21:16:24
I love my Shures SRH840!
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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Boyiee on Sat, 06 August 2011, 15:50:58
I use modded senn hd 555's but now am looking to increase the sound quality.

Was looking at a e7 and a nuforce DAC. Are these good choices? I don't want to go overboard, but I need to get away from onboard.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Sun, 07 August 2011, 21:25:34
Quote from: Boyiee;394292
I use modded senn hd 555's but now am looking to increase the sound quality.

Was looking at a e7 and a nuforce DAC. Are these good choices? I don't want to go overboard, but I need to get away from onboard.

In terms of real improvements you're probably better off with a low-end pro audio soundcard. The Nuforce is a bit of a joke and while the Fiio is fine (and useful if you want to amp portably) it's not a drastic improvement on many onboards nowadays, if at all.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Boyiee on Sun, 07 August 2011, 22:45:22
I don't need portability, I was told that what I need most is an amp. Also I like to use both my speakers and headphones simultaneously (typically playing sound from 2 different things at once) so a DAC seemed like a good buy.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Mon, 08 August 2011, 06:57:28
Quote from: Boyiee;394940
I don't need portability, I was told that what I need most is an amp. Also I like to use both my speakers and headphones simultaneously (typically playing sound from 2 different things at once) so a DAC seemed like a good buy.

Well - it's really about what you like best, both in terms of how you go with peer opinion and what you think is a nice audio toy. Let's face it, a lot of this audio thing can come down to how cool the amp /device looks.

The absolute truth is that if your onboard isn't total dreck (and most recent ones fall into that category) it'll drive most headphones perfectly well to perfectly decent quality - enough that you'd have to spend several hundred (even on a non-BS-imbued piece of equipment) to get quantifiably better.

e.g. all the onboards that I have generally around me will drive a Beyerdynamic T1 - a 600-ohm (albeit very efficient) phone - or an Ultrasone Edition 8 - a lower-impedance phone with efficiency a bit on the low side which many on forums like Head-Fi will say in a blanket manner that it needs "amping" :suspicious: - to decent quantifiable quality and relatively ear-bleeding volumes. In fact, many $10 'fleabay specials' USB interfaces based around e.g. the Cirrus codecs are also capable of doing the same. And if an Ed8 works, an HD555 should be zero problem for those decent onboards, although I will admit it's not a headphone I've owned.

If you want signal routing flexibility and decent quality and having an onboard battery is not a necessity, I'd say a relatively low-end pro audio interface is a better bet. Not only there's less BS in the level of sound quality you'll get, the better ones have software / hardware control of signal routing - so you can route only to headphones, to monitors, etc. Take a look at something like a Focusrite Saffire 6 USB. There's a highly Google-ranked review on Head-Fi about it which just points out everything that's wrong with the community but it's a solid, decent-quality interface which has good signal flexibility for the price/IOs. I use RME Babyfaces in what would be a similar role but it may be a bit rich if you're considering the Fiio/Nuforce.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Boyiee on Mon, 08 August 2011, 08:16:37
Yeah I've come to understand that my onboard is actually pretty good, and since I'm no audiophile that I really shouldn't need to upgrade. My problem is some games I like having the audio come through the speakers while having ventrilo through my headset. Other games I want both in headset. Right now I'm using a crappy creative USB dac that is starting to fail on me requiring replacement. I've also been looking at getting new speakers as well, which shouldn't NEED a dedicated sound card, but a dac to keep my current setup of game-through-speaker vent-trough-headphone pretty happy. That's there the fiio's came into play... Although I've been debating this decision of what to buy or what to upgrade for about 4 months now, cause I have no real direction. Do I get new speakers, like corsair or klipch promedia, do I get a headphone amp dac. Computer audio is something I just don't know enough about so I've been beating around the bush forever trying to decide, and time is running out before I HAVE to make some purchase and I really don't want it to be some impulse buy.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Mon, 08 August 2011, 10:34:14
I'd say in general, blow your money on the things that actually make the noises - speakers, headphones/sets - than 'audiophile-grade' accoutrements.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HaveANiceDay on Mon, 08 August 2011, 11:37:49
Everyone knows that if we could build DAC's out of money, they would be the best sounding.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Mon, 08 August 2011, 12:22:28
Quote from: HaveANiceDay;395167
Everyone knows that if we could build DAC's out of money, they would be the best sounding.

That should be the Head-Fi slogan.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:30:06
Quote from: arpod;395135
I'd say in general, blow your money on the things that actually make the noises - speakers, headphones/sets - than 'audiophile-grade' accoutrements.

agreed 1000%
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 30 August 2011, 09:22:06
I finally got lucky.

Stax SR-Lambda normal bias (with rebuilt drivers, albeit with 2.5 micron mylar now) and SRD-7SB for $250 shipped. They haven't shipped yet, but I just paid yesterday and it's only 10:20am.

They ought to make soundwhoring in games really easy, let alone what they'll do for music, but now I'll have to keep an old receiver parked on my desk just to feed the SRD-7 (needs speaker-level input) until I have the money for a dedicated amp and not a mere transformer box.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Boyiee on Tue, 30 August 2011, 11:44:37
I still havent made a purchase, still not sure if I want all sound going through headphones or not. That fiio headphone amp is getting more tempting everyday. It feels like a waste dedicating my sennheisers mostly for ventrilo, but games like wow (need sound for pvp) I don't think I could tolerate coming through headphones.

BF3 will be the real test.

Edit: maybe I'll just bite the bullet and get a new set of phones. Not sure what's a good upgrade from modded hd555s, especially still using onboard.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Tue, 30 August 2011, 12:23:29
Quote from: NamelessPFG;407357
I finally got lucky.

Stax SR-Lambda normal bias (with rebuilt drivers, albeit with 2.5 micron mylar now) and SRD-7SB for $250 shipped. They haven't shipped yet, but I just paid yesterday and it's only 10:20am.

They ought to make soundwhoring in games really easy, let alone what they'll do for music, but now I'll have to keep an old receiver parked on my desk just to feed the SRD-7 (needs speaker-level input) until I have the money for a dedicated amp and not a mere transformer box.

High fidelity isn't necessarily game-worthy. My G35 does a better job in that regard than any high-end phone I own/ed. I also own the Beyer MMX300's but I use them primarily for Skype duties, preferring the Logitechs for gaming.

Quote from: Boyiee;407475
I still havent made a purchase, still not sure if I want all sound going through headphones or not. That fiio headphone amp is getting more tempting everyday. It feels like a waste dedicating my sennheisers mostly for ventrilo, but games like wow (need sound for pvp) I don't think I could tolerate coming through headphones.

BF3 will be the real test.

Edit: maybe I'll just bite the bullet and get a new set of phones. Not sure what's a good upgrade from modded hd555s, especially still using onboard.

Clearly depends on what it's going to be used for in terms of percentage of time, whether open/closed and budget.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Boyiee on Tue, 30 August 2011, 12:50:02
Can sell the 555s probably for a few bucks, I got a decent budget if its worth it. I game mostly and listen to music 2nd. Games I play are FPS and wow. Currently using open and like it, haven't used closed in a long time. No preference really.

I want to upgrade somewhere, just not sure where. Amp? Well these headphones wont benefit much from that. So new phones? Well I'd probably want to get away from onboard if I do that.

Any suggestions on the best upgrade path?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:18:34
Headset IMO. Senn 360?

If headphone, if you want a real jump I'd say something like the HD650 - which would justify the purchase of the Fiio.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 30 August 2011, 16:20:31
Quote from: arpod;407507
High fidelity isn't necessarily game-worthy. My G35 does a better job in that regard than any high-end phone I own/ed. I also own the Beyer MMX300's but I use them primarily for Skype duties, preferring the Logitechs for gaming.
Point taken, but have you even owned Stax before? Or any other electrostatic headphone (Koss ESP/950 or some other non-Stax vintage models), for that matter?

With the G35, how much of that preference goes to the actual sound signature of the headset itself, and how much goes to Dolby Headphone? That's another thing that has to be considered; the G35 is hard-wired to its own USB DAC/DSP, while I don't even know what the source for your high-end headphones would be, let alone if it provides binaural surround ala Dolby Headphone or CMSS-3D Headphone.

Whatever the case, I'll find out soon if the Stax sound is for me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Chobopants on Tue, 30 August 2011, 16:24:16
Anyone try the 598s yet? How do they compare to the 555s? I've been eyeing them for a while but don't know if it's worth it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Tue, 30 August 2011, 16:58:58
Quote from: NamelessPFG;407653
Point taken, but have you even owned Stax before? Or any other electrostatic headphone (Koss ESP/950 or some other non-Stax vintage models), for that matter?

SR-007 MkI / II, as well as the Orpheus. Experience enough for you?

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With the G35, how much of that preference goes to the actual sound signature of the headset itself, and how much goes to Dolby Headphone? That's another thing that has to be considered; the G35 is hard-wired to its own USB DAC/DSP, while I don't even know what the source for your high-end headphones would be, let alone if it provides binaural surround ala Dolby Headphone or CMSS-3D Headphone.

Whatever the case, I'll find out soon if the Stax sound is for me.

I'm not saying the G35 specifically is the be-all and end-all, you understand. I'm saying horses for courses, and that it's easy to get too wrapped up in this stuff that you're hammering the law of diminishing returns for what you're trying to achieve. This guy isn't for example listing music as his primary use. And I'm saying that some gaming headsets manage to provide more than adequate performance for gaming, are definitely usable for actually enjoying music, and are more tractable as everyday-use items than some chi-chi headphone for gaming-first use.

In my home office setup for example I keep a Beyerdynamic T1 on the side for what you could call critical music listening, but the truth is that I almost never use it - I'll go into the living room if I actually want to listen - but the vast majority of time the G35 or the MMX 300 are far handier to use and deliver absolutely acceptable sound for checking out music, and the G35 in particular is far more useful for gaming. If I was 'gaming-first' I wouldn't even bother having the Tesla around in that room.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Tue, 30 August 2011, 17:05:00
Quote from: Chobopants;407656
Anyone try the 598s yet? How do they compare to the 555s? I've been eyeing them for a while but don't know if it's worth it.


By all accounts they're reskinned 595's which should mean an improvement over the 555 - but personally as I said I'd rather just make the jump to the HD650.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 30 August 2011, 17:34:41
Quote from: arpod;407668
SR-007 MkI / II, as well as the Orpheus. Experience enough for you?

More than enough. Those were flagships!

Quote from: arpod;407668
I'm not saying the G35 specifically is the be-all and end-all, you understand. I'm saying horses for courses, and that it's easy to get too wrapped up in this stuff that you're hammering the law of diminishing returns for what you're trying to achieve. This guy isn't for example listing music as his primary use. And I'm saying that some gaming headsets manage to provide more than adequate performance for gaming, are definitely usable for actually enjoying music, and are more tractable as everyday-use items than some chi-chi headphone for gaming-first use.

In my home office setup for example I keep a Beyerdynamic T1 on the side for what you could call critical music listening, but the truth is that I almost never use it - I'll go into the living room if I actually want to listen - but the vast majority of time the G35 or the MMX 300 are far handier to use and deliver absolutely acceptable sound for checking out music, and the G35 in particular is far more useful for gaming. If I was 'gaming-first' I wouldn't even bother having the Tesla around in that room.

So it's also a matter of convenience. I already know that SRD-7SB is going to have to warm up at first (might even take a whole hour to do so), among other things.

Note that headsets with boom mics don't factor in heavily for gaming in my case because I already have a desk mic and just use that. What I am concerned about is hearing potential threats and from what direction, and some people seem to find this much easier with electrostats compared to dynamics or orthos. Smyth even bundles a basic Stax setup with the Realiser.

Also note that I do enjoy my fair share of music (especially when I find new bands I happen to like; not difficult with very limited music experience/knowledge overall), even if the vast majority of it is merely 16/44.1 CD quality at most. Maybe buying $250+ (more like $300+ when you factor eBay prices) headphones is overkill, but I'm still reasonably sure there's room for improvement over the AD700s on the same source material.

The law of diminishing returns is definitely something I'll have to be wary of (especially with all the audiophile snake oil and hype flying about), but I don't see myself needing anything better than that Lambda for a long while.

Ultimately, though, you have one thing I don't when it comes to audio equipment, and that's experience. You've already heard flagships of all sorts in action, whereas the best headphones I've ever had are mere AD700s (at least until Thursday). A lot of this boils down to simple curiosity-how much better does it get (within reasonable budgets), and what do electrostatics sound like compared to dynamics?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Chobopants on Tue, 30 August 2011, 17:43:38
Quote from: arpod;407670
By all accounts they're reskinned 595's which should mean an improvement over the 555 - but personally as I said I'd rather just make the jump to the HD650.

This is actually probably good advice. Once you're hovering around the $200 range you may as well go to $350 and get the best.

I've used 595's side by side next to 555's and the different wasn't striking enough that I felt any desire to upgrade. I think I'll just continue to enjoy my 555's and try to ignore the audiophile discussions that lead you down the path to ruin!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Thu, 01 September 2011, 15:49:32
I've had my Lambda for a few hours now, and so far, I'm liking it.

-It's very light and comfortable. Even moreso than the AD700, which is saying something.
-They're not kidding when they say the music just tends to float into your ears. Very, very little eardrum-thumping compared to dynamic drivers of any sort. I'm not complaining.
-Music seems to be less...veiled, for lack of a better term. Perhaps this is what the Stax fans meant by "clear sound".
-Gaming with CMSS-3D Headphone is just as effective, if not moreso. Front imaging seems a bit better over the AD700s, though I haven't ruled out the possibility that it could be even better if CMSS-3D Headphone's generic HRTF settings perfectly matched my own unique HRTF.
-The TrackClip Pro fits better on the Lambda's headband than the AD700's. Not that this is going to concern most people, but as comfortable as these things are, I'd rather not have to wear a baseball cap with a reflector clip on it whenever I'm in a dogfighting mood. (While I'm at it, what if it could be used to approximate the head-tracking feature of the Beyerdynamic Headzone and Smyth SVS Realiser in software?)

Still just first impressions, though, and confirmation bias could be kicking in. Regardless, I already like these, and the only real negative is that I need this huge receiver on my desk just to serve as a speaker amp for the SRD-7/SB.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: strum4h on Fri, 02 September 2011, 06:54:02
I have been eyeing a pair of AIAIA TMA-1's for a while. I mainly listen to Jazz, Trip-Hop, House, and IDM. I was wondering if anyone has had experience with these.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: csm725 on Fri, 02 September 2011, 07:30:37
How are the 558's? I love the 598's look.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Fri, 02 September 2011, 10:43:20
Quote from: NamelessPFG;408987
I've had my Lambda for a few hours now, and so far, I'm liking it.

-It's very light and comfortable. Even moreso than the AD700, which is saying something.
-They're not kidding when they say the music just tends to float into your ears. Very, very little eardrum-thumping compared to dynamic drivers of any sort. I'm not complaining.
-Music seems to be less...veiled, for lack of a better term. Perhaps this is what the Stax fans meant by "clear sound".
-Gaming with CMSS-3D Headphone is just as effective, if not moreso. Front imaging seems a bit better over the AD700s, though I haven't ruled out the possibility that it could be even better if CMSS-3D Headphone's generic HRTF settings perfectly matched my own unique HRTF.
-The TrackClip Pro fits better on the Lambda's headband than the AD700's. Not that this is going to concern most people, but as comfortable as these things are, I'd rather not have to wear a baseball cap with a reflector clip on it whenever I'm in a dogfighting mood. (While I'm at it, what if it could be used to approximate the head-tracking feature of the Beyerdynamic Headzone and Smyth SVS Realiser in software?)

Still just first impressions, though, and confirmation bias could be kicking in. Regardless, I already like these, and the only real negative is that I need this huge receiver on my desk just to serve as a speaker amp for the SRD-7/SB.

Having stuck the Orpheus on the Elite Pro among other CMSS cards, I can say it's no better and no worse from a gaming standpoint than something like the G35 - in fact, for me the G35 implementation might be better. Neither is an actually accurate positioning indicator even in titles I know to be compatible - generic HRTF is generic HRTF. Basically once you get beyond a certain degree of capability (and that is beyond the sub-par AD700 / A700. I dunno why the 'I'm a fauxphile' gamers have recently taken to these) it doesn't make any difference, and in fact, if you want any semi-meaningful degree of positioning capability with generic HRTF it does help to compress down the soundstage so that you get a more manageable sound bubble for CMSS / Dolby effects to take place in. The Ultrasone Edition 8 with the S-Logic soundstaging for example is one previous headphone I've owned that is actually quite a decent gaming headphone. It's also relatively lightweight and tractable and it would make for an incredibly bad-value but fairly effective adjunct to my G35 :tongue1:

One problem of electrostatics is that they can lack the dynamic impact that you'd want from a gaming phone - the Omega II's for example would definitely not be my first choice in a gaming headphone. But for classical / indie / folk etc music-first use I don't see any problems.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Chobopants on Fri, 02 September 2011, 13:05:55
Quote from: csm725;409258
How are the 558's? I love the 598's look.

From the sounds of it the new series is just rebranded older ones? Probably not worth the upgrade if you already have 555/595s? Was kind of looking for an excuse to try them out but I haven't heard and strong recommendations for them over the older ones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Fri, 02 September 2011, 15:43:46
Quote from: arpod;409382
Having stuck the Orpheus on the Elite Pro among other CMSS cards, I can say it's no better and no worse from a gaming standpoint than something like the G35 - in fact, for me the G35 implementation might be better. Neither is an actually accurate positioning indicator even in titles I know to be compatible - generic HRTF is generic HRTF. Basically once you get beyond a certain degree of capability (and that is beyond the sub-par AD700 / A700. I dunno why the 'I'm a fauxphile' gamers have recently taken to these) it doesn't make any difference, and in fact, if you want any semi-meaningful degree of positioning capability with generic HRTF it does help to compress down the soundstage so that you get a more manageable sound bubble for CMSS / Dolby effects to take place in. The Ultrasone Edition 8 with the S-Logic soundstaging for example is one previous headphone I've owned that is actually quite a decent gaming headphone. It's also relatively lightweight and tractable and it would make for an incredibly bad-value but fairly effective adjunct to my G35 :tongue1:

One problem of electrostatics is that they can lack the dynamic impact that you'd want from a gaming phone - the Omega II's for example would definitely not be my first choice in a gaming headphone. But for classical / indie / folk etc music-first use I don't see any problems.
Understandable. What we really need is something with personalized HRTFs. So far, I only see MyEars (test a bunch of presets, set a "virtual audio cable" as default audio device and lose my X-Fi's gaming features in the process, may be subscription-based) and the Smyth SVS Realiser (requires a surround speaker room to configure properly, EXPENSIVE, still constrained to 7.1 imaging). But for now, CMSS-3D Headphone will do.

For gaming alone, I wouldn't go out and suggest that everyone buy a Stax setup due to the amp requirement and cost (I just happened to get off easy for just $250, most will have to pay significantly more than that). I don't notice a dramatic improvement over the AD700s for that. Diminishing returns have become apparent, to the point where the generic HRTF system has become the bottleneck. In my case, I didn't buy them just for gaming, but for music and the occasional movie too, and I've found that I just happen to like the way electrostatics reproduce music.

I'm actually not really looking for dynamic impact on my eardrums, which is why I don't mind electrostatics. If I wanted that, I'd probably slip a subwoofer under my chair so my whole body gets hammered and not just my eardrums. Even without it, there's still a bit of thump on my ears with the bass notes (and I certainly don't find the Lambdas anemic there).

As for the AD700s, why do you consider them sub-par? Is it the whole anemic bass thing? Is it because you find them TOO open and spacious for generic HRTF filters to work their best? I didn't buy them with any pretense of considering them audiophile headphones by a long shot; I just wanted something more competent for gaming with CMSS-3D Headphone, and the AD700s did that far better than the other cheap or old headphones I had lying around at the time, so I felt they were worth it.

Ultimately, though, we're just proving again that sound is highly subjective. Not everyone is going to like a given headphone's sound signature, and that's all right because this is an open market and we can get what we want without imposing our choices on everyone else.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sam113101 on Sat, 03 September 2011, 14:46:51
Srh750dj:
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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Sat, 03 September 2011, 15:15:53
No, what I find amusing about the A700/AD700 from the fauxphile gamer aspect is that these phones are pretty much at the same level of performance as the headsets that these guys look down on. It's kind of become the must have, and I just don't understand why. It's probably that most people can't afford to buy a decent headset along with the A/AD and compare - and let's face it, most people want to be right about their choices, yet not every one can - like e.g. me - just go out and buy everything simultaneously to compare even if he's curious.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Chobopants on Sat, 03 September 2011, 16:22:34
Sennheiser makes an HD280 headphone that also has a headset:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HMD-280-XQ-Headset-ear-cup/dp/B000Z76JBM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1315084027&sr=8-3

A great option for "gamer" headphones. :) I'd pick some up if I didn't just use HD555's with a clip on mic, I LOVE my HD280s for work/traveling.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Keymonger on Sat, 03 September 2011, 21:16:44
Quote from: Chobopants;407656
Anyone try the 598s yet? How do they compare to the 555s? I've been eyeing them for a while but don't know if it's worth it.
I upgraded from a 555 (with that foam remove mod) to a 598. IMO, it's a big enough difference for me that I was happy with my purchase. I was actually quite surprised at the difference, the sound is wider (think this is called headstage? the difference between the most quiet and most loud sound). I'm not much of an audiophile so I can't say more than that.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Sun, 04 September 2011, 05:42:59
Quote from: Chobopants;410099
Sennheiser makes an HD280 headphone that also has a headset:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HMD-280-XQ-Headset-ear-cup/dp/B000Z76JBM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1315084027&sr=8-3

A great option for "gamer" headphones. :) I'd pick some up if I didn't just use HD555's with a clip on mic, I LOVE my HD280s for work/traveling.

A comparatively poor option compared to the MMX 300 IMO, and not the best comparison in terms of price/capability next to the G35.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kpeezy on Sun, 04 September 2011, 11:42:44
I would be looking for an HMD-25 of some sort for an integrated microphone.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Chobopants on Sun, 04 September 2011, 14:15:34
Quote from: arpod;410377
A comparatively poor option compared to the MMX 300 IMO, and not the best comparison in terms of price/capability next to the G35.


Um, if you say so. If it has the same headphone base as the HD280s I'd say it's likely a great headset, I LOVE my 280s. BDs are great headphones as well but the price of those MMXs is wild. I agree that the price on the 280-XQ is a bit silly (adding over $100 to the price just for a microphone????).

I actually think 280s are greatly underrated headphones, probably because of their <$100 price. I've used all sorts of ridiculous multi-thousand dollar reference headphones with all sorts of amps and blah blah electrodynamo jerk off stuff in recording situations and always go back to my 280s pleasantly surprised.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Sun, 04 September 2011, 16:09:56
Quote from: Chobopants;410541
Um, if you say so. If it has the same headphone base as the HD280s I'd say it's likely a great headset, I LOVE my 280s. BDs are great headphones as well but the price of those MMXs is wild. I agree that the price on the 280-XQ is a bit silly (adding over $100 to the price just for a microphone????).

I actually think 280s are greatly underrated headphones, probably because of their <$100 price. I've used all sorts of ridiculous multi-thousand dollar reference headphones with all sorts of amps and blah blah electrodynamo jerk off stuff in recording situations and always go back to my 280s pleasantly surprised.

They're great for the money (if a little antiseptic) but no giant-killers.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Chobopants on Sun, 04 September 2011, 16:26:37
Hmm, odd. Antiseptic is the last thing I'd use to describe them. If anything they're a tad warm and the closed soundstage can feel a little claustrophobic for live classical and jazz performances.

There's a reason I have 555s and a nice amp at home. Right around the 555/595 range you start to see some pretty stark diminishing returns on your investment. I've used 650s and above (some fancy Beyers) and, yes they ARE better but for the price difference it's tough to justify the purchase.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Mon, 05 September 2011, 03:32:33
Quote from: Chobopants;410587
Hmm, odd. Antiseptic is the last thing I'd use to describe them. If anything they're a tad warm and the closed soundstage can feel a little claustrophobic for live classical and jazz performances.

Antiseptic meaning 'somewhat devoid of a dynamic character'. They do have a slight fall-off in the highs and a flat bass. Technically they're not miracle-workers either, although they're definitely better value than the Audio-Technicas.

Quote
There's a reason I have 555s and a nice amp at home. Right around the 555/595 range you start to see some pretty stark diminishing returns on your investment. I've used 650s and above (some fancy Beyers) and, yes they ARE better but for the price difference it's tough to justify the purchase.

Used and owned are different, since most people's assessment of audio above all is 100% subjective. Take the 'nice amp' for example, which in all likelihood could be bested by an onboard. But there is some truth to that. I don't think there's any point in any person who actually has to consider more than a second affording it having anything more than an HD650* headphone-wise (although I will say the Orpheus does coalesce into something 'uber'). All of which of course makes the fauxphile-nose-look-down of gaming headsets all the more ridiculous.

*Which is why if you're looking to have a really nice pair, it makes sense just to get one and be done with it
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 06 September 2011, 07:30:28
I use:
Fostex T50 RP for portable and general use.
Audio Technica ATH AD900 for gaming, movies, progressive music, etc.
Grado SR225i is almost never used.

Gamma2 DAC and CKK-iii amp are still (unfortunately) in the woks.
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I'm really loving the ortho sound of the Fostex cans. Everyone should get them.
The AD900 is like the AD700 (apparently) but better all 'round (and black).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 06 September 2011, 12:41:42
Wait a minute...T50RP for portable use? Presumably without a portable amp? I've heard that they're rather insensitive and need an amp to get the most out of them.

In other news...damn, people will really pay up for the Sennheiser Orpheus systems! (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-Orpheus-system-Collectors-item-/120773482406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1ea917a6#ht_500wt_959) That's Stax SR-009 + Blue Hawaii SE money there...perhaps part of the appeal is the rarity of the Orpheus system, along with the aesthetic.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Tue, 06 September 2011, 13:17:30
Quote from: NamelessPFG;411465
Wait a minute...T50RP for portable use? Presumably without a portable amp? I've heard that they're rather insensitive and need an amp to get the most out of them.

In other news...damn, people will really pay up for the Sennheiser Orpheus systems! (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-Orpheus-system-Collectors-item-/120773482406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1ea917a6#ht_500wt_959) That's Stax SR-009 + Blue Hawaii SE money there...perhaps part of the appeal is the rarity of the Orpheus system, along with the aesthetic.

The aesthetic can wear after a while. It certainly doesn't fit with my other gear in the living room.
The sound is a big part I have to say. I've still heard nothing that comes close as an all-round pleasurable entity.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: whiskerBox on Tue, 06 September 2011, 14:56:48
These are my latest

(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee451/johnjohns0n/DSCN0922.jpg)

(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee451/johnjohns0n/DSCN0920.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: forTruce on Wed, 07 September 2011, 00:26:46
Been browsing thru the thread and thought I would ask for a quick tip.  I am looking into getting a good headset as I have never experienced good quality audio.  I was most likely going to get the Sennheiser 595's, but I'm still not sure what I need to get to accompany them (soundcard/amp/whatever).  If it makes a difference its about a 50/50 split between music and gaming as far as uses go.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 07 September 2011, 02:15:50
gonna try audio technica athnc7(prolly got that wrong)
basically their top of the line noise cancelling, why this over a bose? i just hate bose? rather gonna let fiance and her trip to russia/germany test it out.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mitchellderp on Wed, 07 September 2011, 12:49:42
Geekhackers - I have finally perfected my setup in the way of keyboard, mouse and mousepad. Only problem is, my speakers are now kaput as the left speaker is half the volume of the right one. Can you recommend any good reasonably priced headsets that are available from Amazon.co.uk, as their returns policy is freaking awesome! Preferably with a mic attached as I've just started using skype a lot to talk to people I know.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Thu, 08 September 2011, 05:44:05
Quote from: Mitchellderp;412103
Geekhackers - I have finally perfected my setup in the way of keyboard, mouse and mousepad. Only problem is, my speakers are now kaput as the left speaker is half the volume of the right one. Can you recommend any good reasonably priced headsets that are available from Amazon.co.uk, as their returns policy is freaking awesome! Preferably with a mic attached as I've just started using skype a lot to talk to people I know.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CA-HS1EU-HS1-Gaming-Headset/dp/B00439ZDZQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315478612&sr=8-1
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mitchellderp on Thu, 08 September 2011, 12:08:26
Sweet, that'll go with the A70 in my system and the HX520 powering it all. One day, all of my components will be Corsair, they're just so freaking awesome.

EDIT: Whose referral link is that?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nar on Thu, 08 September 2011, 13:54:20
I use an Alessandro MS-1i when I'm at home and a pair of Sunrise Audio AS-Feeling earbuds elsewhere.
Just can't stand the feeling of in-ears.

I've also wanted to make a mini3 amp but I've never gotten around to it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Thu, 08 September 2011, 16:43:51
Quote from: Mitchellderp;412731
Sweet, that'll go with the A70 in my system and the HX520 powering it all. One day, all of my components will be Corsair, they're just so freaking awesome.

EDIT: Whose referral link is that?

None that I'm aware of. Just search for Corsair HS1.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 09 September 2011, 17:11:35
audio technica athnc7 is great, i couldn't hear my air cleaner no more (if anyone has a hepa air cleaner, you know what i mean) but am i supposed to be able to hear voices like the tv? I took these and walked the dog with them outside and i could only hear crickets, i took them off and heard all the ac's blowing.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Fri, 09 September 2011, 18:55:01
Quote from: ripster;413595
My son uses the Sennheiser PC350.  Frankly, I think the sound sucks but the mike is excellent.[/QUOTE

I wouldn't say 'sucks' but it's a very uninvolving sound for a gaming headset.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Muldoonite on Fri, 09 September 2011, 22:15:02
(http://i.imgur.com/HuKzy)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Muldoonite on Fri, 09 September 2011, 22:17:56
(http://i.imgur.com/HuKzy.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HuKzy)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 11 September 2011, 18:50:40
Quote from: NamelessPFG;411465
Wait a minute...T50RP for portable use? Presumably without a portable amp? I've heard that they're rather insensitive and need an amp to get the most out of them.


They're fine out of my rockbox'd sansa fuze. My 'scope says it can do 1V+ peak to peak before clipping.

I do plan on building a portable buffer for the current capacity, though.

The biggest problem is that the stock cable is 1/4" and my diy adaptor bent :(

Don't buy the canare miniplugs.
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no ,the vintage T50 (not RP) and most other ortho/isodynamic headphones you really need the current, as they're stupidly inefficient.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Mon, 12 September 2011, 06:06:19
Quote from: dorkvader;414624
They're fine out of my rockbox'd sansa fuze. My 'scope says it can do 1V+ peak to peak before clipping.

I do plan on building a portable buffer for the current capacity, though.

The biggest problem is that the stock cable is 1/4" and my diy adaptor bent :(

Don't buy the canare miniplugs.
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no ,the vintage T50 (not RP) and most other ortho/isodynamic headphones you really need the current, as they're stupidly inefficient.
In that case, I might just consider picking up a T50RP as a portable set provided that it's comfortable and doesn't leak too much sound, though I would prefer a 1.8"/3.5mm TRS jack on the stock cable. It would also be a nice intro to orthodynamics to round out my dynamic and now electrostatic experiences.

As far as comfort goes, it's said that making better pads will go a long way there, and possibly even improve the sound quality.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 12 September 2011, 07:33:27
If you're into modding, the cheaper T40 and T20 have (I believe) the same driver.

Also, you can use some 3.5 mm interconnects as the headphone cable. Note you may have to shave some plastic down to get it to fit in the locking inlet, or you can replace the jack completely (which I am very close to doing)

I find it pretty comfortable when walking around. I wear them for at least 90 minutes when I have to work Saturday (there's no bus). They don't really leak that much, especially for an "open" design.

new pads would be nice, but I do know the stax 02 pads that seem to be everyone's favourite replacement are something like 80% the cost of the headphone. That may be price per pad, as well.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Mon, 12 September 2011, 17:27:22
Same driver, much less cost? Now I'm really interested, and no, I'm not averse to modding. (If anything, it's said that the weakest part of the Fostex orthos is NOT the driver, but the enclosure. Now, if you've got $500 to spend, you could get some Thunderpants, which use those very same drivers from the look of it...but the enclosure is said to be that much better as far as sound quality goes. Or maybe people just like the wood look. Who knows?)

And as for the Stax SR-007/Omega 2 pads, I do remember hearing about someone sticking those on a set of SR-X/MK3s and saying the sound quality improved noticeably in addition to comfort. Too bad they're so expensive...but I suppose it's expected when it's an accessory for what is usually a $2,500 headphone.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: suntorytime on Mon, 12 September 2011, 19:51:16
Recently I've had the chance to try out the Sony MDR-Z1000 and find that it's probably the best general sounding headphone I've heard. It sort of does everything well, unlike my Ultrasone and DT770. To cap it off, the z1k sounds great without amping. Downside is that the small cups really kill my ears after 2-3 hours. They have pretty much convinced me to try out the flagship IEMs from Sony :/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Tue, 13 September 2011, 06:10:58
Quote from: suntorytime;415218
Recently I've had the chance to try out the Sony MDR-Z1000 and find that it's probably the best general sounding headphone I've heard. It sort of does everything well, unlike my Ultrasone and DT770. To cap it off, the z1k sounds great without amping. Downside is that the small cups really kill my ears after 2-3 hours. They have pretty much convinced me to try out the flagship IEMs from Sony :/

The problem with the Z1K for me was that I think they're a 'neither here nor there' halfway house in terms of utility. Somewhat large to be portable, somewhat small to be truly domestic headphones - so in a non-pro scenario (these are basically high-end studio monitors after all) I found it difficult to justify a home. The Ultrasone Edition 8 is more compact, yet I still found these too large to be usefully carryable as portable headphones when I tried commuting with them, and there are better headphones for purely home use, even around the same price.

The problem for me with the Sony IEM's is also what makes the higher-end variants sound really good - the dynamic drivers. If I'm investing in a pair of IEM's what I really want is isolation along with appropriate sound quality - and the Sony tech just does not hack it in that regard. The armature-based IEMs are (although unbelievably bad value for money comparatively speaking) where its at for me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: suntorytime on Tue, 13 September 2011, 19:07:05
Quote from: arpod;415392
The problem with the Z1K for me was that I think they're a 'neither here nor there' halfway house in terms of utility. Somewhat large to be portable, somewhat small to be truly domestic headphones - so in a non-pro scenario (these are basically high-end studio monitors after all) I found it difficult to justify a home. The Ultrasone Edition 8 is more compact, yet I still found these too large to be usefully carryable as portable headphones when I tried commuting with them, and there are better headphones for purely home use, even around the same price...

I definitely agree with you there, I only wish Sony would build on the z1k and make a full size out of it, but this seems unlikely as Sony is inept at capitalising on the good aspects of older products... As for the sound compared to other home use headphones, I would also agree to an extent, but I enjoy the fact the z1k doesn't do anything particularly bad for a mid-high end headphone, and has really nice build quality to boot. It really grates me to find some of the more popular cans really lacking in one of the three (bass, mids, and treble). I'm willing to give the Sony IEM's a shot by selling the z1k, isolation is not an issue for me, I'm just after some good no fuss (with amps or dacs) sound while I work.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ascii on Wed, 14 September 2011, 10:13:09
Well, here's my current portable setup.

From the ears out:  JH13 custom IEM's -> Whiplash audio twisted silver wire IEM cable -> Ray Samuels The Shadow amp -> Whiplash twisted silver Line out dock cable -> iPod touch.  Kept together by the power of Velcro.  This is my current "daily rig."  Fits in a pocket and is great for using at home, the office, and everywhere in between.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6189/6147218034_529fb5a259_z.jpg) (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6084/6146667819_581ec453bf_z.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6078/6146667279_2b7ab9e0b6_z.jpg) (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6164/6146670705_392d995558_z.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6086/6147218394_bca6d6bbc6_z.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Wed, 14 September 2011, 15:39:07
lol cables
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ascii on Wed, 14 September 2011, 15:59:43
Quote from: phillip;416159
lol cables
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a proponent of snake oil cables.  I went with aftermarket cables because I kept killing the OEM cables every 3-6 months.  If anything, this cable is longer, beefier, and theoretically better built than stock.

Is there a sound difference?  It sure sounds better when neither channel cut out.  Other than that, I haven't done an A/B in a while.  Most of the time people won't notice a much of a sound difference.

The amp inline IS a noticeable improvement over using the regular headphone jack though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 14 September 2011, 16:03:12
I've always been sketchy on cables sounding different. Hell, I doubt I could tell the difference between my 1500 USD W4S DAC-2 and the DAC on my ibasso d10. I never had a chance to go back and forth between the two, but I wouldn't be surprised if I couldn't tell the difference.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ascii on Wed, 14 September 2011, 16:19:42
Quote from: ironman31;416171
I've always been sketchy on cables sounding different. Hell, I doubt I could tell the difference between my 1500 USD W4S DAC-2 and the DAC on my ibasso d10. I never had a chance to go back and forth between the two, but I wouldn't be surprised if I couldn't tell the difference.
Probably not.  If I use my RSA Predator in amp only mode, it sounds just about identical to the Shadow amp pictured (probably uses the same nail polished TI chips).  The DAC feature though... makes using headphones with a computer doable w/o noise.  I doubt I'd be able to tell a difference between the Predator DAC and MOTU Traveler I've got at home

While different cables don't sound very (if any) different from each other, the feel of the cable itself can make a difference when you're using it all day every day.

Cables = personal preference.  As long as they let the electrons pass freely and you like the results, they're going to work well.

DAC = the fact that it's there is the important part.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 14 September 2011, 16:26:27
Quote from: ascii;416181
Probably not.  If I use my RSA Predator in amp only mode, it sounds just about identical to the Shadow amp pictured (probably uses the same nail polished TI chips).  The DAC feature though... makes using headphones with a computer doable w/o noise.  I doubt I'd be able to tell a difference between the Predator DAC and MOTU Traveler I've got at home

While different cables don't sound very (if any) different from each other, the feel of the cable itself can make a difference when you're using it all day every day.

Cables = personal preference.  As long as they let the electrons pass freely and you like the results, they're going to work well.

DAC = the fact that it's there is the important part.


I just need to get a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter for my LCD-2's so I can go between the two. I'll have someone else switch them back and forth (or not at all) between the two, and see if I can hear a difference. If not, then I guess I spent 1500 dollars on a very nicely built box with a lot of inputs on the back, lol.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ascii on Wed, 14 September 2011, 16:35:36
LOL, there you go.  I need to get an 1/8" -> 1/4" adapter to try these with the MOTU.  Lots of inputs = lots of options and not outgrowing the nicely built box as quickly.

Regarding headphones... I either have to do big over the ear (not good for portable) or custom IEM's.  All universal IEM's were extremely uncomfortable to me.  Didn't realize why until after sending JHA some ear impressions.  Apparently my ears are built a bit weird and the canal flattens a bit in a bend.  Customs are the only IEM's that I can wear for more than 5-10 minutes at a time.  Worth the time and $ investment, IMHO.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 14 September 2011, 16:43:00
Quote from: ascii;416192
LOL, there you go.  I need to get an 1/8" -> 1/4" adapter to try these with the MOTU.  Lots of inputs = lots of options and not outgrowing the nicely built box as quickly.

Regarding headphones... I either have to do big over the ear (not good for portable) or custom IEM's.  All universal IEM's were extremely uncomfortable to me.  Didn't realize why until after sending JHA some ear impressions.  Apparently my ears are built a bit weird and the canal flattens a bit in a bend.  Customs are the only IEM's that I can wear for more than 5-10 minutes at a time.  Worth the time and $ investment, IMHO.

Those will be my next audio purchase. Not sure how long from now, but I would really like something I can listen to in a library and still have them sound great. My sr60's don't really fit well in that category, lol.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ascii on Wed, 14 September 2011, 19:45:06
Quote from: ironman31;416195
Those will be my next audio purchase. Not sure how long from now, but I would really like something I can listen to in a library and still have them sound great. My sr60's don't really fit well in that category, lol.
HA, yeah, my re-cabled SR125's and first/second run AKG K701's are no good for wearing at work/in public.  If you're looking for custom IEM's and are located in FL, I'd recommend a day trip to JHA to have them do the fitting and meet the people who make them.  They're great people and you'll have a good conversation with them :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 14 September 2011, 19:59:19
Where is JHA located?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ascii on Wed, 14 September 2011, 21:41:42
Quote from: ironman31;416269
Where is JHA located?
2517 East Semoran Blvd.
Apopka, FL 32703
866/485/9111
jhaudio.com
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillip on Thu, 15 September 2011, 09:33:02
not headphone related, just audio related...

I decided to pull an old denon poa-2400a amp out of my closet the day before yesterday and use it for my movie/console setup.  I also wanted to get the center speaker to the top shelf rather than being stuck so low in the middle.  Unfortunately that means I had to put my tv on top of it.  I don't really like having the tv up there, so I need to get a new stand soon that has a proper mount and room for everything else.

(http://i.imgur.com/rtvVQ.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 16 September 2011, 00:03:46
Quote from: NamelessPFG;415146
Same driver, much less cost? Now I'm really interested, and no, I'm not averse to modding. (If anything, it's said that the weakest part of the Fostex orthos is NOT the driver, but the enclosure. Now, if you've got $500 to spend, you could get some Thunderpants, which use those very same drivers from the look of it...but the enclosure is said to be that much better as far as sound quality goes. Or maybe people just like the wood look. Who knows?)

And as for the Stax SR-007/Omega 2 pads, I do remember hearing about someone sticking those on a set of SR-X/MK3s and saying the sound quality improved noticeably in addition to comfort. Too bad they're so expensive...but I suppose it's expected when it's an accessory for what is usually a $2,500 headphone.

I'd check if I were you, but I believe they are the same. Note that you'll get the "silver" painted metal parts on the other ones, though.

Also, on the thunderpants, from what I've read part of the sound comes from the wood, and more "solid" construction, but the bulk comes from the damping. Apparently playing with that will allow you to really bring out the thunder. Of course, the thunderpants are almost always closed or "really close", so that will greatly affect the sound.

Me, I'd love to turn some wood cups on a lathe and build one, but I haven't the time, money, effort, etc. at the moment.

Other pads include the sony SA5000 pads (which are like $55 each, also expensive) and pads from some Shure cans, that I do want to try.

I also plan to add a flexible leather strap under the headband to make a double headband. The adjusters stay almost all the way down always on my small head, so there's plenty of room, and I expect it to greatly increase comfort. Not that it needs it, though.

I still hate my SR225i's though. I'll probably wait until I have a good amp/DAC ready, then I might sell them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Hitch22 on Sat, 17 September 2011, 15:44:52
New range of Corsair gaming headphones coming soon. Link (http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-gaming/vengeance-gaming-headsets.html)

Personally, I'm interested in the 1300 model because every set of USB headphones I've every tried has had awful sound quality.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Sat, 17 September 2011, 16:18:40
Quote from: Hitch22;417826
New range of Corsair gaming headphones coming soon. Link (http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-gaming/vengeance-gaming-headsets.html)

Personally, I'm interested in the 1300 model because every set of USB headphones I've every tried has had awful sound quality.

What, the HS1 & G35 too?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Hitch22 on Sat, 17 September 2011, 16:29:54
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What, the HS1 & G35 too?

I bought a set of HS1 USB for my old man and they sound pretty bad to me. Really tinny sounding. I can't speak to the G35's, never tried them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 20 September 2011, 19:58:37
I'm told Electrostats make good gaming headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 21 September 2011, 06:52:50
What is a good "gaming" headphone?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Wed, 21 September 2011, 12:36:25
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What is a good "gaming" headphone?

IMO, one which does sound positioning well when working alongside Dolby Headphone or similar HRTF, and offers sufficient audio performance to allow you to make out all the game sounds as well as voices on top, alongside a tonal character that enhances immersion in gaming.

A lot of people equate a wide soundstage (i.e. a very distinct left-right separation of the stereo soundfield) with superior gaming attributes, but I disagree. In fact, the stereo, analog headphones I rate most for gaming, the closed Ultrasones equipped with S-Logic, have a distinctly compacted soundstage but with the ability to easier discern sweeping movements across the stereo and HRTF soundfield.

The Ultrasone Edition 8 is overkill (although in my possession where there is no such thing as overkill, they were my subway beaters until earlier this year) but it's the flagship example of a headphone with an oddly compacted, but somewhat more holographic representation of the stereo soundfield in stereo or when used with Dolby. Lesser closed Ultrasones will deliver much of the same gaming performance though.

Personally though, I stop at the diminishing returns level for PC gaming use and value usability just as much as sonic suitability, especially as I prefer headsets as opposed to headphones - since desk mics and clip-ons either get in the way, or are crud. Which is why you'll find me gaming on a Logitech G35.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Battou62 on Thu, 22 September 2011, 10:59:42
I picked up a pair of Beyer DT 770 Pro's a few weeks ago off of Ebay for cheap. I have them paired up with a Audio-gd Sparrow. Its seriously overkill for gaming, but really adds to the immersion. Listening to music on the other hand is a very enjoyable experience.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: hcry4 on Thu, 22 September 2011, 11:23:26
I really like my 770s, too. A very good pair of closed headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Thu, 22 September 2011, 16:46:08
Quote from: dorkvader;419320
I'm told Electrostats make good gaming headphones.
My Stax Lambdas work excellently in games with CMSS-3D Headphone and can be worn for hours on end, but spending that kind of money on gaming-only headphones is getting into overkill territory. (Especially since vintage Lambda-series models seem to be getting more expensive over the years.) If you want something that also sounds great in music, though, why not give the electrostatic experience a shot? They may be the last headphones you ever need for home listening, and if you don't like them, they WILL sell.

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Quote from: ironman31;419486
What is a good "gaming" headphone?
IMO, one which does sound positioning well when working alongside Dolby Headphone or similar HRTF, and offers sufficient audio performance to allow you to make out all the game sounds as well as voices on top, alongside a tonal character that enhances immersion in gaming.
Pretty much this. You want something that allows you to make out what a sound is and where it came from.

Can't vouch for or against Ultrasone, though; never heard a single model of theirs. (I did think about getting a Pro 900 at one point, just to know what the Ultrasone hype was all about...until I saw that Stax deal.)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: suntorytime on Fri, 23 September 2011, 00:56:54
Ultrasone seem very well geared for gaming. I have the HFI-2400 (open model), really good bass and the treble comes out in abundance. The DT770 which I also own do well too. I prefer the ultrasones as their imaging seems to be more accurate. I use either of these for gaming along with my webcam as the mic (easy to setup).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Fri, 23 September 2011, 05:51:36
The only problem is - and this was one of the reasons I got rid of the Edition 8 as the aforementioned beaters - that I don't really find (closed, which is where they put in the most development thus far) Ultrasones all that enjoyable for music in terms of the way they sound, and also in the peculiar, aforementioned gaming-suitable way they deliver the soundstage. They're also certainly less fatiguing to listen to due to the way S-Logic works (and it does work) but I don't have a pair of headphones on my head as often as e.g. a recording engineer, so many of those features I think gets in the way of simple music listening.

The DT770 isn't a bad compromise for music + gaming (although it's not as good as a similarly priced closed Ultrasone for the latter), and we do have the MMX 300 which delivers (although less convenient than the G35 in a couple of areas and the fact that you have to pair it with a generic Dolby Headphone soundcard) headset-wise as well. Which is why I use a couple of those as well as the G35. But I still prefer to game on the G35, while I Skype on the Beyers because of the outstanding mic.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mitchellderp on Tue, 27 September 2011, 16:40:07
I have another audio based question - what are the best reasonably priced earphones? My Sennheiser CX500's just decided to die on me, as I expected seeing as they were about 8. Are there any budget ones that offer great performance?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Tue, 27 September 2011, 17:49:21
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I have another audio based question - what are the best reasonably priced earphones? My Sennheiser CX500's just decided to die on me, as I expected seeing as they were about 8. Are there any budget ones that offer great performance?

What do you expect if you buy fakes?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 27 September 2011, 19:31:43
Why Geekhack, how did you know about my other love?

AKG K701s fed from a Woo Audio 6 SE, with an EML 5U4G rectifier and matched Tung Sol 6SN7 GT driver tubes.

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I love them for their clarity and incredibly open soundstage. There is plenty of bass (most will say there isn't) so long as they are being driven properly by a good amp.

Am I doin it rite? Don't mind the 6Gv2, it's sitting in a box in my storage closet now.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Zamorph on Tue, 27 September 2011, 20:58:14
Quote from: ironman31;419486
What is a good "gaming" headphone?


g35.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mitchellderp on Wed, 28 September 2011, 10:15:29
Quote from: arplod;422326
What do you expect if you buy fakes?
Amazon.co.uk sell fakes? Well, I'll be damned.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Wed, 28 September 2011, 11:10:13
Quote from: Mitchellderp;422695
Amazon.co.uk sell fakes? Well, I'll be damned.

If it's too cheap to be true, it probably isn't. MSRP was 50 for it, wasn't it? I know people have been caught out by fake ATH-ES7's and CX300's. 500's, I wasn't aware of  but I haven't kept touch.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mitchellderp on Wed, 28 September 2011, 13:19:55
Fake Filcos? Where?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: hcry4 on Wed, 28 September 2011, 13:30:30
Quote from: Mitchellderp;422815
Fake Filcos? Where?


Leopolds...? I kid. I kid.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mitchellderp on Wed, 28 September 2011, 14:26:06
Quote from: hcry4;422824
Leopolds...? I kid. I kid.

What you did there - I see it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nar on Wed, 28 September 2011, 15:10:24
Speaking of the PK3. I have the Sunrise AS-Feelings, they sound great and from what I read are comparable to the PK3s at pretty much the same price.
If you happen to live in Canada I'd recommend them over the PK3, solely because you get to pay cheap national shipping rather than international shipping and having to deal with customs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ekaros on Thu, 29 September 2011, 04:37:27
I have been looking for replacement pads for my Sennheiser HD433, but they cost 12$ for two flat circular pieces of foam with hole in midlle. Too much for me. Have to wish for a new pair for christmas.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Thu, 29 September 2011, 05:00:08
Quote from: ripster;422749
Fake Sennys?  I've seen lots of Fake Filcos lately but not Sennys.  They aren't that spendy.


Yeah - there was a big run on fake CX300's.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: williamjoseph on Sat, 01 October 2011, 00:36:13
Gee, if it wasnt for geekhack, i wouldnt be collecting keyboards and typewriters. Now i am starting to learn about head-fi.......
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Tetsuma on Sat, 01 October 2011, 01:14:04
Quote from: williamjoseph;424464
Gee, if it wasnt for geekhack, i wouldnt be collecting keyboards and typewriters. Now i am starting to learn about head-fi.......

Take the trite on that site with a bag of salt though. Also, never buy into cables sounding different and FoTM equipment. Some good posters there, lot of sensationalist's howling too.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Tetsuma on Sat, 01 October 2011, 01:26:14
Quote from: Ragnorock;422370
Why Geekhack, how did you know about my other love?

AKG K701s fed from a Woo Audio 6 SE, with an EML 5U4G rectifier and matched Tung Sol 6SN7 GT driver tubes.

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I love them for their clarity and incredibly open soundstage. There is plenty of bass (most will say there isn't) so long as they are being driven properly by a good amp.

Am I doin it rite? Don't mind the 6Gv2, it's sitting in a box in my storage closet now.

Benchmark dac1, Heed Can amp, k701s here. How're you liking the woo 6? I was considering it as an upgrade to my can amp, but am tossing up just biting the bullet and getting a phonitor. Either that, or something solid state around $600.
Probably move onto LCD2 after that.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Sat, 01 October 2011, 05:43:51
Quote from: Tetsuma;424479
Take the trite on that site with a bag of salt though. Also, never buy into cables sounding different and FoTM equipment. Some good posters there, lot of sensationalist's howling too.

Ironically for an audio site the SNR is incredibly low :whistle:

But then, after you gain some experience and don't consider the 'holy grail' purchases in that field a lot of money, most even enthusiast sites tend to be that way for me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 02 October 2011, 21:50:47
Quote from: Tetsuma;424480
Benchmark dac1, Heed Can amp, k701s here. How're you liking the woo 6? I was considering it as an upgrade to my can amp, but am tossing up just biting the bullet and getting a phonitor. Either that, or something solid state around $600.
Probably move onto LCD2 after that.
The Beta22 is supposed to be pretty good, and you can probably build one for $600. (~$110*3 + 120 (sigma22) +100 (transfromer)+ ?DIY case?) I'm more of a DIY-fan anyway. I'll probably DIY a nice keyboard sometime.

I considered getting the AKG as my first 'phone, but I started with the AD900, and really enjoy it. There may bass quantity, but the quality is there. I'm not much of a basshead anyway.

Once I get a real job, I'll probably get some nice Planar-magnetic headphones. LCD-2 is at the top of the list.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Pony on Wed, 05 October 2011, 23:16:11
I just got a pair of ATH-AD700.  Wow, wish I would have tried these years ago, woulda saved alot of money (much better than Beats by Dre Studio and Razer Barracudas I wasted money on).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: LuvULongTime on Tue, 25 October 2011, 19:06:07
For DIYers looking for closed cans the Fostex planar magnetic T50RPs are a great value.  They can be easily modded to hang with the big boys.  I was at a head-fi meet recently and had a chance to sample the LCD-3 and SR-009s.  I walked away completely satisfied with my $75 cans.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 25 October 2011, 19:27:29
Quote from: LuvULongTime;439308
For DIYers looking for closed cans the Fostex planar magnetic T50RPs are a great value.  They can be easily modded to hang with the big boys.  I was at a head-fi meet recently and had a chance to sample the LCD-3 and SR-009s.  I walked away completely satisfied with my $75 cans.

Did you listen to Audez'e's 100k speakers?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: LuvULongTime on Thu, 27 October 2011, 02:12:26
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Did you listen to Audez'e's 100k speakers?


It was headphones only.  Audeze brought their LCD-3s and a Red Wine Audio amp.  100k speakers, wow.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 27 October 2011, 07:02:59
Quote from: LuvULongTime;440337
It was headphones only.  Audeze brought their LCD-3s and a Red Wine Audio amp.  100k speakers, wow.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they were showing off those, their near-field monitors, and their mic at the RMAF.

http://www.theaudiobeat.com/rmaf2011/rmaf2011_audeze.htm
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RickyJ on Fri, 28 October 2011, 23:15:25
There's some nice setups in this thread!

About a month ago I started looking into upgrading my headphones (Sennheiser HD228, ~2 years old), and foolishly bought a Corsair HS1A headset (online reviews were good...) to use while occasionally playing co-op games with friends.  The Corsair headset was only $40 during an in-store sale at NCIX so I'm not overly broken up over the complete lack of bass, but it's still an unpleasant surprise.  I do watch TV shows and movies on my PC right now, until I get my own place again where I can set up my plasma and Yamaha 5.1 system.  So I've been primarily looking into gaming headphones/headset that will work great for TV/movies as well.  Previously for co-op games I've plugged my Xbox 360 controller and headset into my PC just to use the mic, but it doesn't happen often enough for me to sacrifice sound quality for a built-in mic.

It's happened a few times now where I'll get deeper into headphone/DAC/amp research, then have to remind myself what I'm really going to be using it all for.  So I think I've found a way to accommodate my wants/needs while still using modular building blocks.  NCIX has the Creative X-Fi Titanium HD card with headphone amp good for 330Ω cans, for $130cdn after instant rebate.  This card will do CMSS-3D virtual surround over the optical-out connection, so I can upgrade to a better DAC+amp at a later date and still get the benefits for gaming.  For headphones, a local music store has Beyer Dynamic DT990Pro 250Ω for $180, sitting on the shelf.  They also have the DT770Pro for the same price, but the comparisons I'm seeing for gaming puts the 990Pro in the lead.

Any feedback is definitely welcome!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 29 October 2011, 04:27:59
Right now im running Sony MDR-V6's because I got them at a low price (for the price I dont think that you can beat them) but after watching Dave Rat - The Mighty Headphone Quest (http://tinyurl.com/3knmg65) I started looking at a pair of Denon AH-D2000's. I even tried them in person but until recently I couldnt find a good enough price to buy and now it looks like I missed out on the deal on buy.com.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Kick on Sat, 29 October 2011, 04:35:53
For those wondering about headphones for gaming, you're probably better off with open backed headphones. The ad700 would be highly recommended by most/all gamers that have actually tried them. Definitely get those. Sounstage is amazing but because they're open backed, the bass is lacking. But then again, I'd like my bass to be limited if I'm gaming. How're you going to hear footsteps when an explosion occurs right next to you :p

For music it's pretty damn good too but again. Do not expect bass for you dubstep listeners
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Sat, 29 October 2011, 07:16:52
Quote from: Kick;441690
For those wondering about headphones for gaming, you're probably better off with open backed headphones. The ad700 would be highly recommended by most/all gamers that have actually tried them. Definitely get those. Sounstage is amazing but because they're open backed, the bass is lacking. But then again, I'd like my bass to be limited if I'm gaming. How're you going to hear footsteps when an explosion occurs right next to you :p

For music it's pretty damn good too but again. Do not expect bass for you dubstep listeners

I actually don't mind the bass in headphones such as the Grado sr60i's. Many of the dubstep recordings aren't very good anyways, so if the headphone can play that frequency, then it's good enough. I think the grado's bass is nice and tight, even if it is a little lacking. And that's coming from someone who normally listens to a pair of LCD-2's, who's bass response is ridonkulous.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Sat, 29 October 2011, 09:05:40
Quote from: RickyJ;441603
It's happened a few times now where I'll get deeper into headphone/DAC/amp research, then have to remind myself what I'm really going to be using it all for.  So I think I've found a way to accommodate my wants/needs while still using modular building blocks.  NCIX has the Creative X-Fi Titanium HD card with headphone amp good for 330Ω cans, for $130cdn after instant rebate.  This card will do CMSS-3D virtual surround over the optical-out connection, so I can upgrade to a better DAC+amp at a later date and still get the benefits for gaming.  For headphones, a local music store has Beyer Dynamic DT990Pro 250Ω for $180, sitting on the shelf.  They also have the DT770Pro for the same price, but the comparisons I'm seeing for gaming puts the 990Pro in the lead.

Any feedback is definitely welcome!


I use my DT990pro as my movie/gaming can. I use it over my T1 and DT880/600 from the same family. The bass really add some oomph to explosions. It also has a bigger sense of space than DT880. Though, if you're sensitive to treble, you may want to felt mod it (add a 1.5mm thick felt in front of the driver like DT880). If bass is too much, add a piece of felt behind the driver at the vent. These also kick the crap out of Grados as low volume listening cans. I like these for acoustics guitars, electronica, and sometimes orchestras as it brings out the rumble of double bass. It is an irreplaceable can in my collection. DT990 Premium is tooooo close in performance to pay extra for, though you can sometimes find them for sale for not much over 200.
Don't bother with X-Fi. CMSS3D sounds like ass. I'd get a Xonar ST with low latency drivers over the creative.

Quote from: Kick;441690
The ad700 would be highly recommended by most/all gamers that have actually tried them.

I don't like them one bit. Bad bass extension and a bit one note bass, like most AT I've heard.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RickyJ on Sat, 29 October 2011, 11:08:38
Thanks for the feedback laffindude.  Good to know it's easy to tone down the one complaint I've heard of the 990Pros.  I've seen another reference to CMSS-3D sounding muddy, I suppose the reviewer comparisons between CMSS-3D and DH are focused 100% on competitive gaming.  I play 90% single player FPS/RPG and 10% co-op multiplayer with friends, so it would just be nice to hear where the enemies are instead of guessing, without sacrificing sound quality.

My only PCI slot right now is between my SLI'd GTX285's, which would make for a noisy environment for a sound card, no?  I've got a PCI-e 4x slot on top, which I was hoping would be a better environment for the sound card.  From what I've gathered, the only differences between the Asus STX and ST are: PCI vs PCI-e, ST has header for 7.1 analog breakout board, ST has better clock circuit for lower jitter.  Is it worth paying the extra $20 and putting the card between two GPUs for lower jitter?

Thanks,
Rick

edit: Can the Asus cards output the virtual surround modified signal over a digital connection like the Creative one I've been looking at?  That would make it easier to add a better DAC+amp later and keep the surround.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Sat, 29 October 2011, 11:52:00
In another life when I was a competitive gamer, I hated the extra processing done on by the sound card. None of the "virtual surround" sounds correct, and straight up stereo had the best sound positioning for me. Very subjective so take that with a pound of salt. Some people need to have the crossfeed type sound to help with positioning.
Xonar can do virtual surround if that is what you want (not sure on the digital output though). I don't know how it sounds compared to Creative solutions though. Like I said, I just use stereo (I use 2.0 monitors as well). I don't think the better clocks are reason enough to get the PCI version over the STX. Don't read too much into what headfi thinks. They all flocked to the Asus after the Creative debacle. Now they claim Asus sucks after a few years after crowning it as the best sound card. Just get something you can afford and be happy. You don't need the gimmicks for spacial positioning. The DAC in the Asus is decent, and the drives DT990 well enough. DT990 is a bit more picky about amps. They sound a bit too sharp with under powered amps, with loose uncontrolled bass.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 29 October 2011, 11:59:52
Personally for PC gaming im waiting for Creative's New DAC (http://tinyurl.com/6yc4a8m). For everything else I use a Edirol FA-66.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Sun, 30 October 2011, 13:44:30
Quote from: laffindude;441748
Don't bother with X-Fi. CMSS3D sounds like ass.
I wouldn't use it for music, but for gaming, the imaging is leagues ahead of stereo for me.

Note that I still play a lot of older games that use DirectSound3D or OpenAL. In these games, CMSS-3D Headphone doesn't make the foolish step of emulating a speaker system; instead, it directly processes every virtual sound source for a more proper binaural effect. You even get height cues (which are sorely missing in newer games that use XAudio2 or FMOD because they pre-mix everything to 7.1 at most and stereo at least before it hits the sound driver)! (And on top of this, some of those games use EAX 3/4/5, so the X-Fi DSP is still needed for that.)

One major example that comes to mind is Unreal Tournament (which uses OpenAL with the help of an Old Unreal patch; UT 2004 uses OpenAL by default). In stereo, the sounds are clear, but all jammed right next to my ears. I don't have a clear image of exactly what sounds are coming from where. I keep flicking CMSS-3D Headphone on and off to compare, but I still get the same issue with plain stereo.

As you say, though, it's very subjective. At least it's optional and not forced on anyone; toggle to taste. (It doesn't help that you can't get a personalized HRTF on the more affordable binaural surround filters; for that, you'd need a $3,000+ Smyth Realiser and a chance to record a good home theater system. In the end, it's still emulated 7.1 at most, not a true 3D sound field...if only we could have it all.)

Now, I won't get into the usual CMSS-3D Headphone vs. Dolby Headphone or X-Fi (Creative, some Auzentech) vs. C-Media (Asus, HT Omega, most Auzentech) cards, only because I haven't owned a C-Media card with Dolby Headphone and don't intend to buy one any time soon. Note that I actually rather loathe Creative as a corporation, but I don't have much choice in the matter if I want my older games to sound as the developers intended (with EAX). Maybe things would be different if Aureal had survived...

Quote from: RickyJ;441796
Can the Asus cards output the virtual surround modified signal over a digital connection like the Creative one I've been looking at?  That would make it easier to add a better DAC+amp later and keep the surround.
I cannot confirm this directly, but word on Head-Fi is that Xonar cards cannot output Dolby Headphone-processed two-channel over S/PDIF, while X-Fi cards can output CMSS-3D Headphone-processed audio over S/PDIF. That would be a shame if Asus really did impose such a limitation.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Mon, 31 October 2011, 16:52:04
I liked CMSS. Until I used Dolby Headphone on the G35.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 01 November 2011, 20:43:28
I'm not going to say which is better until I have the chance to give Dolby Headphone a chance in games, and I don't have the money for an Astro Mixamp right now. (My cards have Dolby Digital Live, so I don't have to worry about properly feeding it with S/PDIF.) The comparable Turtle Beach Ear Force DSS is said to be more prone to hiss, and the JVC/Victor SU-DH1 isn't a common find these days (plus the JVC version is only battery-powered). I don't know of any other external DSPs that offer Dolby Headphone processing on an AC-3/Dolby Digital-encoded S/PDIF signal.

On top of that, I don't have much incentive to buy one other than review purposes and use with my old Xboxes. I'm quite content with my audio setup for gaming as it is; the main "upgrade" I'm thinking of would really be more of a consolidation of that receiver and transformer box into a dedicated amp so as to free up desk space.

If only I knew someone with a Mixamp that I could borrow for a short while...that would help a lot. As it stands, though, I generally don't get the chance to review anything without buying it first.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Tue, 01 November 2011, 21:01:57
There is I guess also the element of headphone matching. When the codec is built into the phone, you (as the manufacturer) know - literally - what you're getting into.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 01 November 2011, 22:47:20
So they can tune the G35's sound characteristics to Dolby Headphone (or, perhaps, the other way around)? Makes sense.

Still, something just unnerves me about USB headsets like that. I'd rather have the DAC/DSP and the actual headphone/headset separated. On the other hand, others might like that plug-and-play convenience (unless the G35 needs drivers for full functionality).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Wed, 02 November 2011, 05:01:56
Quote from: NamelessPFG;443837
So they can tune the G35's sound characteristics to Dolby Headphone (or, perhaps, the other way around)? Makes sense.

Still, something just unnerves me about USB headsets like that. I'd rather have the DAC/DSP and the actual headphone/headset separated. On the other hand, others might like that plug-and-play convenience (unless the G35 needs drivers for full functionality).

It's not like it has to be your only headphone or that you can't plug in another audio interface at the same time, is it?

(and yes, it needs drivers of course)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Wed, 02 November 2011, 06:52:05
Quote from: arplod;443942
It's not like it has to be your only headphone or that you can't plug in another audio interface at the same time, is it?

(and yes, it needs drivers of course)
I'm not that absolutist, but in all likeliness, I'd only use it on my notebook, which isn't that much of a gaming computer to begin with (damn Intel GMA graphics that are practically the only option for convertibles).

Why not the desktop? I bought those X-Fi cards for a reason. CMSS-3D Headphone and general audio quality improvements aside, there's also the matter of EAX 3/4/5 support, and I still play my fair share of older games that use them. Not having it on wouldn't be as the game developer intended for it to sound. (But now that games over the past few years have taken the software audio engine route, it's less important to a lot of people. I just wish the software audio engines in question had some binaural options to go along with the typical stereo and surround loudspeaker configurations.)

Then there's the matter of enjoying my Stax setup too much, even for gaming. I'll be highly surprised if anything can top the Lambda in terms of comfort.

I mentioned the subject of drivers because some USB headsets are touted as being driver-free, which could be a selling point to those who use their headset amongst many different computers, I suppose. It wouldn't be a deal-breaker if the G35 needed drivers to function properly, though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Wed, 02 November 2011, 11:24:44
It really depends on what your usage mode is. In your case - i.e. where you're seemingly at right now, in intermediate audio enthusiast and player of older games mode - it probably makes more sense to be where you're at.

It's just what when I game, I just like to get into it straight away without a lot of fuss. Also I've used the gamut of configurations (e.g. combining X-Fis with pro soundcards so that the gaming audio is routed through the pro card, and music audio comes direct from the pro card so I can use output switching on the pro card to route how and where the audio goes) and I know what works for me and what doesn't.

For gaming, I want a single thing that's ready to go the moment I put them on. I put on the G35, swing the mic down (turning it on), slide Dolby switch up or down depending on whether the particular game works better in stereo or surround, adjust the audio (and I can do this all from the left earcup) and start playing. Audio quality is absolutely gaming-suitable, and also perfectly acceptable for all-round listening though it's not at e.g. DT770 levels of capability (but then you can't really expect that in a <$100 headphone, let alone a headset).

If I want to 'actually listen' then the rest of the gear comes out and I switch outputs - but if I'm just surfing around Zune Pass for example after a gaming session, I'll probably keep the 35's on, just turn surround off.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 04 November 2011, 00:43:43
Anyone have experience with AIAIAI TMA-1? Looking for a new pair of headphones and these caught my eye, read a bunch of reviews and they all gave it a pretty good review overall, anyone on here ever try on a pair?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Striketh on Fri, 04 November 2011, 01:29:06
I have a pair of Denon D7000's, a custom built amp, and I'm running it through a Creative Titanium X-FI soundcard. I spent about $1,200 on everything and love it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 04 November 2011, 02:06:54
tsangan:
depends on what you want to use it for. My 30 minute impression is... I'll keep my HD25-1 as portable. Less punch, muddier mids, recessed treble. IMO it is just another FotM can at headfi.
Your head don't go bopping like you would on a HD25. IMO if the can can't do that, rest would be moot, no matter the sound quality.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Fri, 04 November 2011, 09:04:49
Quote from: Striketh;445309
I have a pair of Denon D7000's, a custom built amp, and I'm running it through a Creative Titanium X-FI soundcard. I spent about $1,200 on everything and love it.
Why did you oend up going with the 7000's? Ive read that the internals are the same at the 2000's.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: funkymeeba on Fri, 04 November 2011, 09:32:43
I have a pair of Ultrasone HFI-450 headphones. They're far from the finest, but are certainly quite nice for what I need them for. I'm one of the seemingly few who find them comfortable for long periods.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: eugenius on Sat, 26 November 2011, 09:35:28
Currently I have a balanced Grado HF2, a Beyerdynamic MMX300 Manufaktur headset, a CEC HD53N balanced amplifier, a DACport portable dac/amp, a Headroom Desktop Balanced DAC/AMP and a custom modded multibit Assemblage DAC. Everything except the Assemblage and the DACport is for sale. :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 26 November 2011, 23:25:53
I was wondering if anyone had any info on these http://tinyurl.com/7amddgv .
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: godly_music on Sun, 27 November 2011, 04:59:21
It says DT770 Pro with added microphone. So it's a closed headphone with good sound and powerful bass. The microphone is apparently studio quality, but I've never used one of these.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 27 November 2011, 05:29:20
Well i know what it says didnt know if anyone had anymore info with at least the brand.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Sun, 27 November 2011, 07:38:43
I love the general sound signature of Beyers. The DT770/880/990 (they have the same driver) trio do tend to have a treble peak at ~8.5khz. If you listen to bad recordings with hot treble, they tend to get a bit annoying. There are several versions of DT770, and some are bassier than the others. 250ohm one is middle of the road. Though, i prefer HD25-1 for closed cans over DT770.

You didn't say what you want the headphones for, so no recommendations. Also, the condenser microphone uses mini-XLR and phantom power. It is not really something for gamers.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: teraflame on Sun, 27 November 2011, 22:54:36
I just bought UM3x removable cable for 25% off (final price about $300). Very excited to get it, I tried a couple years ago and loved it. Using regular earbuds has become torturous now.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 28 November 2011, 00:49:57
Quote from: laffindude;459523
I love the general sound signature of Beyers. The DT770/880/990 (they have the same driver) trio do tend to have a treble peak at ~8.5khz. If you listen to bad recordings with hot treble, they tend to get a bit annoying. There are several versions of DT770, and some are bassier than the others. 250ohm one is middle of the road. Though, i prefer HD25-1 for closed cans over DT770.

You didn't say what you want the headphones for, so no recommendations. Also, the condenser microphone uses mini-XLR and phantom power. It is not really something for gamers.

Lol yea it going to be plugged into my Roland Edirol FA-66
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: slueth on Mon, 28 November 2011, 02:31:20
Not really a headphone but I got a Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10 Noise Isolating Earphone.  Does anyone have it?  It is coming in the mail.
Wow these sound awesome, I like them a lot more then my AKG 702s :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RickyJ on Wed, 30 November 2011, 22:08:06
I got my Fiio E10 DAC/amp on Monday, I pre-ordered it from the 2nd build batch.  I'm using my crappy Corsair headset until Christmas and this little E10 really woke them up, I can actually hear bass notes now.  Music sounds like music now too, even in Skyrim!  When I max the volume I get zero hiss through my 32 ohm Corsairs, which is something I'm really not used to.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Zamorph on Wed, 30 November 2011, 23:07:16
Can anyone point out a few good sets of earbuds and headphones.
Heard good things about um3x, Sennheiser HD595, akg k 701, grado sr325
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: slueth on Wed, 30 November 2011, 23:33:30
AKG 702 is awesome for headphones and I will now recommend Ultimate ears triple fi 10 earphones.  Both are amazing.  AKG needs some oomph with a DAC/amp though or it will sound not as good.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: davkol on Thu, 01 December 2011, 17:04:43
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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: phillyosophy on Sat, 03 December 2011, 13:53:58
ATH M50 for indoor use, Fisher Audio Eterna for outdoor/on-the-go use. Fiio E7 for just that little extra kick in sound :)

Currently going through alot of headsets, to find a good and comfortable one :) Had so far, various razer's' (luckily borrowed from friends, none good, stay clear), the steelseries siberia v2 (comfy and all right, lovely colours too), trying out in-ears headsets; not for the iphone/mobile kind, the ones that actually come with a splitter for mic and speaker i/o.

I wear glasses, thick framed ones too. The biggest problem I have is after awhile, the back of my ears hurt from the headset pressing down on to my ears, on to my glasses frame.

Next to try: Steel Series in ears. I have a Tte one at the moment, not bad but the mic can be improved.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: elogical on Sat, 03 December 2011, 15:26:23
Quote from: Zamorph;461722
Can anyone point out a few good sets of earbuds and headphones.
Heard good things about um3x, Sennheiser HD595, akg k 701, grado sr325


The only ones that I have of those are the sr325 and they are great, very happy with them, I don't think you'd go wrong with any you listed though. Keep in mind what you want them for though. With open headphones like those they are great for at a desk or at home but they do let some sound out so don't expect to use them at a quiet office setting or out and about. The grado 325 especially are really not made to be portable.

I personally like to have in-ear phones for on the go and open design for at home, not sure if you were suggesting that approach as well or just debating which style you want.

Also many of those are gonna need a headphone amp to take full advantage of them. At least something like the Fiio e7 or similar, doesn't have to be super spendy
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mcsnails on Sat, 03 December 2011, 15:53:56
Does anybody have any advice on sleeving headphone cable with braided sleeve? I just purchased some JVC HA RX700's and was interested in doing this mod.  Particularly, what size sleeving do you think would be necessary?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Sat, 03 December 2011, 18:17:38
Quote from: Zamorph;461722
Can anyone point out a few good sets of earbuds and headphones.
Heard good things about um3x, Sennheiser HD595, akg k 701, grado sr325

I have the Q701 and a pair of SR80's.  While its not really fair to compare those, my impression of their philosophies is that grado colors the sound more.  If you want a warmer sound, go with with grado, and if you want a flatter, more 'real'(I take that term from head-fi) sound, go with the 701/2, or consider one of the lower AKG models that are not geared toward the reference market.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Sun, 04 December 2011, 16:03:36
...Wait a minute. Grado "warm"? I thought their frequency graphs suggested otherwise, with a lot of treble emphasis, whereas my understanding of the term "warm" is that it skews a bit more toward emphasized bass and recessed treble. Maybe I have to brush up on all this audiophile jargon some more.

In other headphone-related news, I should have a Stax SR-202 and SRM-212 by the end of the month. Found a deal on those that was too good to resist...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: slueth on Sun, 04 December 2011, 16:42:28
a pair of stax, what a boss!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Sun, 04 December 2011, 17:29:27
Quote from: NamelessPFG;464048
...Wait a minute. Grado "warm"? I thought their frequency graphs suggested otherwise, with a lot of treble emphasis, whereas my understanding of the term "warm" is that it skews a bit more toward emphasized bass and recessed treble. Maybe I have to brush up on all this audiophile jargon some more.

That was the case initially, but once I amped my SR80i's their bass REALLY increased.  Now they are definitly what I would call 'warm'.  In a good way though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 05 December 2011, 04:53:57
I think you're using your Q701 as reference, that is why the midrange on the SR80i sounds warmer. Grados' house sound is a huge mid bass hump for lots of punch (no balls on the real bass side), which colors the mid-range. Though, I refuse to call smiliefaced freq response cans warm.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Tue, 06 December 2011, 07:48:02
hd555 (finally 595 modded), ath-m50s and DT770 pro (250) with a cmoybb. Also looking at getting the denon ahd2000 but can't find them anywhere. :tsk:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: turbocharged on Tue, 06 December 2011, 07:55:17
Quote from: kidchunks;465124
hd555 (finally modded), ath-m50s and DT770 pro (250) with a cmoybb. Also looking at getting the denon ahd2000 but can't find them anywhere. :tsk:

I also have the DT-770 Pro 250's, but with a biosciencegeek cmoy....absolutely love the setup.

I also have a pair of ATH-AD700's and AKG K430's.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 06 December 2011, 15:26:29
Quote from: NamelessPFG;464048
...Wait a minute. Grado "warm"? I thought their frequency graphs suggested otherwise, with a lot of treble emphasis, whereas my understanding of the term "warm" is that it skews a bit more toward emphasized bass and recessed treble. Maybe I have to brush up on all this audiophile jargon some more.

In other headphone-related news, I should have a Stax SR-202 and SRM-212 by the end of the month. Found a deal on those that was too good to resist...



(http://cdn.head-fi.org/4/48/1000x500px-LL-48741c01_P1030413_resize.jpg)

Compared with

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=353
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Fri, 09 December 2011, 20:16:11
Quote from: flaming_june;465330
*image snipped*
That image helps immensely, thanks. (Though I would think that the low bass would go all the way down to 20-30 Hz, given that's what I'd expect the bassheads to be seeking.)

In other news, some Chinese firm named Edifier actually bought out Stax yesterday. It's stirred up quite a bit of discussion over at Head-Fi. I just hope this doesn't drive up prices of existing equipment too much if it all ends up being the last great electrostatic headphone gear because the new management didn't know what they were doing.

On the flip side, maybe they'll have some decent distribution channels for once.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NimbleRabit on Fri, 09 December 2011, 21:37:14
Quote from: ripster;467522

Low bass is muddy?


Read it like a frequency response graph, the "muddy" is high up over the lowest bass on the frequency range.  It means there is a lot of low bass.

Quote from: ripster;467522

I've never "felt" the bass of Headphones like you can with a real sound system.


I've never really understood the obsession with feeling bass.  I have a great sound system in the living room where I can "feel" the bass, but I honestly think I still prefer my headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Fri, 09 December 2011, 23:02:22
Whats better than speakers or headphones??? Listening to them AT THE SAME TIME!

K, well, it was more of an accident since I had them both on when I turned up the volume the other day.  I did think it was strange that I could feel the bass against my legs from my headphones.  But it sounded great!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: cbf123 on Fri, 09 December 2011, 23:45:43
I've actually heard of guys that listen to headphones but with an amp/subwoofer to give the bass oomph.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Sat, 10 December 2011, 23:33:48
Quote from: NimbleRabit;467532
I've never really understood the obsession with feeling bass.
Neither do I. It's always "bass this, bass that", even on Head-Fi, like people just want a couple of vibrators on their heads or something. That, or they stuff their cars so full of subwoofers that you can hear it in your house as they drive by the street several feet away.

I can understand wanting good bass reproduction, but bass alone isn't music to me. (It could be that most of my preferred music is unquestionably non-bassy, even if there are low notes.) I want the whole spectrum, as much of it can be captured (bass and treble extension isn't a bad thing), and I want it all done well, within financial reason. I want it done clearly and effortlessly. And most of all...I want to hear where every gunshot, footstep, and explosion is coming from so I can plan accordingly.

As for the headphone + subwoofer idea? I've considered it, but that will have to wait. Even then, it's rather low on my priorities, especially when it could mean irritating everyone else in the house.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Benji on Sun, 11 December 2011, 21:03:28
Portapro. Yes. Best bang 4 buck
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: davkol on Mon, 12 December 2011, 16:52:22
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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Tue, 13 December 2011, 00:21:00
I used to listen to headphones with a sub, then I took an arrow to the knee...
Sub's bass is unintegrated with the sound from the headphone. It also sounds a bit slow and delayed. It is fine for movies and games I guess, but music sounds better without the sub. If i want maximum impact, I'd just use my monitors + sub. Even the bass don't integrate so well here, but better than headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 13 December 2011, 08:51:19
What exactly is happening in skyrim that's making people make all these arrow to the knees joke.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Tue, 13 December 2011, 08:57:51
Quote from: flaming_june;469591
What exactly is happening in skyrim that's making people make all these arrow to the knees joke.

i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 13 December 2011, 15:48:50
Finally got that SR-202 + SRM-212. Pretty much what I expected from the seller's description. Now I don't have to keep this huge receiver on my desk, though I haven't taken it off yet.

The only thing is, I haven't received a replacement headband part yet and probably won't until tomorrow. Worse, it's not obvious how to remove the existing headband part (the fork/"case holder" that holds the earcup in place) without breaking the whole thing. In the meantime, I swapped the baffles and drivers with the SR-Lambda's earcups. (Why didn't I swap headbands instead? They changed the headband design from the Nova series onward...including how they mate to the earcups. The pin sizes and distances are different.)

EDIT: So there's these hollow pins that hold the "case holder" forks in place...and they are a TOTAL PAIN IN THE ASS to try and push out. Everything I've attempted hasn't made the damn thing budge at all. I don't even know if I can displace it without breaking it and escalating the repair cost from a $35 fork to a $150 headband. I was thinking that the newer headbands would hold them in via screws like the vintage ones.

...That is, until I tried one of my screwdrivers with a Torx T6 bit for the hell of it. Worked like a charm. Now I just have to wait for the replacement fork to show up tomorrow, and I can have a complete, functional SR-202 headband...which will make selling the old Stax gear a lot easier.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 13 December 2011, 17:27:22
Quote from: kidchunks;469597
i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee)

Kind of reminds me of Fallout New Vegas: quantity over quality.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Wed, 14 December 2011, 17:47:11
There, got the headband all fixed up today a replacement part. Now it's complete.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]34995[/ATTACH]

And, yes, that's the set I was using in the background, sans the receiver that fed the SRD-7/SB. I'm glad to have all that desk space free now.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]34996[/ATTACH]
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Creizai on Sun, 18 December 2011, 19:29:20
Quote from: NamelessPFG;470878
There, got the headband all fixed up today a replacement part. Now it's complete.

(Attachment) 34995[/ATTACH]

And, yes, that's the set I was using in the background, sans the receiver that fed the SRD-7/SB. I'm glad to have all that desk space free now.

(Attachment) 34996[/ATTACH]


crazy I was just doing searches on head-fi and saw your one set for sale.

I'm seriously thinking about picking up that exact setup.. so please tell me how it is.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: inaneframe on Sun, 18 December 2011, 19:41:52
Quote from: flaming_june;470052
Kind of reminds me of Fallout New Vegas: quantity over quality.


Not sure what "quantity" vs. "quality" issue you are talking about with FNV.  Could you elaborate?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Sun, 18 December 2011, 21:22:08
Quote from: Creizai;473487
crazy I was just doing searches on head-fi and saw your one set for sale.

I'm seriously thinking about picking up that exact setup.. so please tell me how it is.
Quite nice, actually. There's some weirdness that I noticed with a tone generator that I chalk up to the guy who rebuilt the drivers not doing a perfect job, but as a first set of Stax, it'll definitely be enough to find out if you love the sound or not. (For that matter, it was something I never noticed without the tone generator, and it could have also been the fault of the receiver feeding the SRD-7/SB for all I know.)

Actually, after a few days of listening with the SR-202 + SRM-212, the sound seemed a bit "sterile" and "flat" by comparison, for lack of better words. But then it turned out that using an EQ to bring up the midrange helps a lot...and the normal-bias SR-Lambda, even one that apparently has thicker diaphragms, is quite renowned for its midrange. Voices suddenly sound like there's no longer a veil in front of them.

However, I didn't actually put that set in Head-Fi B/S/T...though it's on eBay right now, with under 24 hours left.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Creizai on Sun, 18 December 2011, 22:18:25
Quote from: NamelessPFG;473547
Quite nice, actually. There's some weirdness that I noticed with a tone generator that I chalk up to the guy who rebuilt the drivers not doing a perfect job, but as a first set of Stax, it'll definitely be enough to find out if you love the sound or not. (For that matter, it was something I never noticed without the tone generator, and it could have also been the fault of the receiver feeding the SRD-7/SB for all I know.)

Actually, after a few days of listening with the SR-202 + SRM-212, the sound seemed a bit "sterile" and "flat" by comparison, for lack of better words. But then it turned out that using an EQ to bring up the midrange helps a lot...and the normal-bias SR-Lambda, even one that apparently has thicker diaphragms, is quite renowned for its midrange. Voices suddenly sound like there's no longer a veil in front of them.

However, I didn't actually put that set in Head-Fi B/S/T...though it's on eBay right now, with under 24 hours left.

that must have been it, saw the ebay link..

Either way I already have some A900's for personal computer/gaming use, but I'm looking to have a separate setup for studying, relaxing and the Stax SR-202 + SRM-212 was perfect price point that I'm looking into that would sound completely different from what I already have and love.  Hard decision though, do I go that route and keep my a900 is prefect for what I use it for now, or upgrade to the WA5000 all together.

gotta say though stax on heads look retro cool awesome ****.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Index on Mon, 19 December 2011, 02:01:34
Hi all,

I'm in the market for a really high quality headset. I am currently looking at Beyerdynamic products, more specifically the DT 297 PV MK II for Phantom Power and the DT 290 MK II. I understand these are not your standard headsets, and I was wondering if I could even use these for PC gaming.

Here'e the product list on Beyerdynamic's website I'm currently looking at.

http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/studio-and-stage/headsets-for-live-applications.html
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 19 December 2011, 11:54:15
Quote from: Index;473623
Hi all,

I'm in the market for a really high quality headset. I am currently looking at Beyerdynamic products, more specifically the DT 297 PV MK II for Phantom Power and the DT 290 MK II. I understand these are not your standard headsets, and I was wondering if I could even use these for PC gaming.

Here'e the product list on Beyerdynamic's website I'm currently looking at.

http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/studio-and-stage/headsets-for-live-applications.html

I am looking at the 797 PV my self and can use it because of the DAC I have. Unless you have a good dac that supports professional equipment your not going to be able to use most if not all of the professional stuff.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Mon, 19 December 2011, 13:18:25
Quote from: Creizai;473572
that must have been it, saw the ebay link..

Either way I already have some A900's for personal computer/gaming use, but I'm looking to have a separate setup for studying, relaxing and the Stax SR-202 + SRM-212 was perfect price point that I'm looking into that would sound completely different from what I already have and love.  Hard decision though, do I go that route and keep my a900 is prefect for what I use it for now, or upgrade to the WA5000 all together.

gotta say though stax on heads look retro cool awesome ****.
Someone thought they looked like they came out of the Cold War, which wouldn't be off the mark (SR-Lambda debuted in 1979, design's continued with only minor modifications to this day, most concerning the headband/arc). While I can't say I'm very fond of the boxy styling, the sound quality and comfort more than makes up for that.

I haven't tried the closed-back A-series models, but I did have an AD700 at one point, which got sold mostly because the Lambda did everything it was good at better. Almost as comfortable, that's for sure. I'm actually slightly curious as to what the AD900 and AD2000 are like, but when I start getting into that price range, I start thinking "I could buy more Stax for that much!"
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Index on Mon, 19 December 2011, 14:55:43
Quote from: TheProfosist;473816
I am looking at the 797 PV my self and can use it because of the DAC I have. Unless you have a good dac that supports professional equipment your not going to be able to use most if not all of the professional stuff.

What DAC would you recommend? And why do I need a DAC?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 19 December 2011, 15:44:51
Quote from: Index;473934
What DAC would you recommend? And why do I need a DAC?
Idk what to recommended what I do know is that the Edirol FA-66 that I have fit every specification that I wanted and I got one used off ebay at a great price. Well the DAC (Digital to Analogue Converter) is what controls the input and out put of the audio. To output to good quality speakers and headphones you need same quality equipment outputting to them with the correct specifications.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 19 December 2011, 16:00:37
You want it for the ADC and miniXLR/XLR jack with phantom power. Of course you can just buy a soundcard that do provide phantom power via TRS jack.
It is cheaper just to buy the headphone it is based on and a seperate USB condenser mic.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 19 December 2011, 16:02:47
Quote from: laffindude;473980
You want it for the ADC and miniXLR/XLR jack with phantom power. Of course you can just buy a soundcard that do provide phantom power via TRS jack.
It is cheaper just to buy the headphone it is based on and a seperate USB condenser mic.
Yep but when you already have the equipment like I and others do there is no reason not to look at the 797.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: digitalleftovers on Mon, 19 December 2011, 16:11:25
Quote from: TheProfosist;473816
I am looking at the 797 PV my self and can use it because of the DAC I have. Unless you have a good dac that supports professional equipment your not going to be able to use most if not all of the professional stuff.

In the case of the 290 MKII, it says that it has an input impedance of 80ohms.  So, basically, you don't necessarily need a hi-fi head amp, but maybe something like a FiiO E9, or a decent stereo amp should be able to power those.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 19 December 2011, 16:57:19
Quote from: TheProfosist;473984
Yep but when you already have the equipment like I and others do there is no reason not to look at the 797.


I think I'd prefer to have more freedom in choosing my phones than having to choose from the short list of those that has a mic attached.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 19 December 2011, 17:11:10
Quote from: laffindude;474032
I think I'd prefer to have more freedom in choosing my phones than having to choose from the short list of those that has a mic attached.
Then get a separate mic... I want a headset and the 797 fit the specification I wanted. I dont know if I will like the sound of the headphones as I am used to less on the lower end with my M-Audio BX5a's MDR-V6's and AH-D2000's
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RickyJ on Sun, 25 December 2011, 17:39:55
I'm now rocking a set of Beyer DT990Pro 250Ω phones, which my Fiio E10 is more than happy to power.  The volume didn't even change much between my 32Ω Corsairs and these, I was expecting more of a drop.  They sound excellent so far!

[ATTACH=CONFIG]35924[/ATTACH]
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: andrewjoy on Fri, 30 December 2011, 04:14:31
Myself i have a set of PC 360 ( its pretty much a set of HD 558 with a mic glued on the side) connected to the Auzentech X-Fi Forte. ( with the default optamp)

frequency response 15-28,000Hz
impedance 50 Ohms
Sound Pressure Level is rated at 112dB.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Fri, 30 December 2011, 14:23:34
Finally got my setup upgraded. Now my setup looks like this:

Creative X-Fi Titanium -> Klipsch Promedia 2.1
Creative X-Fi Titanium -> Blue Jeans Audio Optical -> Audio-GD NFB-2 -> Blue Jeans Audio RCA -> Audio-GD C-2C -> HD650/SR325i/SRH840/MDR-V6

Player setup for headphones playback is Foobar2000 -> Wasapi w/ crossfeed -> out to optical.

Blue Jeans Cable, for you cable believers and non believers makes a truly high end quality cable. What I mean is, for cable believers, it's a great entry level product. For non believers, it's the only cable you should ever buy. The build quality is fantastic and you should never ever need to replace them due to failure. They're just made fantastically.

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

For those not familiar with Audio_GD, they're a chinese firm. If I understand the history right, they started life by improving upon the Zero DAC/AMP, then progressed into flat out replacing it at a slightly higher cost (but drastically improved audio quality) and finally finished it's domination of the low end space with the sparrow and the fun. Now, they have higher end offerings, the NFB-2 is their highest end single ended dac, and the C-2C is an older variation of their highest end single ended amplifier. In short, what I have is the top end from audio-gd prior to going into a balanced setup, which I doubt I will ever do, although I am sorely tempted to get a C-2 because they look so much nicer.

http://www.audio-gd.com/En%20audio-gd.htm
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RickyJ on Fri, 30 December 2011, 18:30:58
So today I thought I'd try my Beyers in my phone, since I barely had to add any volume with my Fiio. Turns out my Galaxy S2 can drive them alright, louder than I'd listen to them at. They don't sound as amazing as they do on my Fiio, but still pretty good.  I double checked the impedance with my multimeter and confirmed 250 ohm per channel.  Are these 990's just that easy to drive?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Sun, 01 January 2012, 11:52:49
Can reach adequate volume isn't the same as being driven well. They do get acceptably loud on portables, but the bass is a mess as well as shrilly treble. Ohms isn't a good indicator of how loud they'll sound from some input. Sensitivity is a better measurement of that.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Fast_Fingers on Sun, 01 January 2012, 14:52:38
Quote from: laffindude;481466
Can reach adequate volume isn't the same as being driven well. They do get acceptably loud on portables, but the bass is a mess as well as shrilly treble. Ohms isn't a good indicator of how loud they'll sound from some input. Sensitivity is a better measurement of that.

Definitely. If anything, Ohms is a guideline to how powerful you need your amplifier to be before it sounds adequate. AKGs are especially tough on weak amplifiers (K301 Xtra user here).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RickyJ on Sun, 01 January 2012, 15:37:15
That's what I was thinking, enough power for low wave amplitudes, not enough to drive the full wave.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jellowiggler on Sun, 01 January 2012, 18:32:28
I bought Grado SR80s about 6 years ago. They have been awesome. No amp required.  I did have to put some extra padding on the headband.

I paid $160 but they sound like headphones in the 200-250 range and don't need an amp.

I hope they last another 10 years. They sound excellent!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mcsnails on Wed, 04 January 2012, 21:50:14
Just got done modding my jvc HA RX700's that I got for Christmas.  I added some neon blue braided sleeving and some heatshrink to make the ends look all nice and pretty.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]36612[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]36613[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]36614[/ATTACH](sorry for poor quality, they're all compressed cellphone pictures)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: emptyk on Wed, 04 January 2012, 22:52:03
That blue braiding looks sick.

My setup goes like this:  FLAC files > Foobar2000 > Peachtree Audio Decco2 (DAC + Integrated Amp + Headphone output) > Sennheiser HD650

I pretty much listen to music all day at work, and I've finally ripped all of my CDs into lossless FLAC format stored on my PC.  Dig it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 04 January 2012, 23:00:15
I got some Dr.Dre Beats for Christmas. They are quite bassy (much to my liking). Just my two cents.:smile:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Surly73 on Fri, 06 January 2012, 08:00:35
Shure E4g and Shure SE425-V

Auzentech Forte 7.1 at home.  M-AUDIO Audiophile USB at work.  Various portable devices not worth mentioning.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: cheebs on Sun, 08 January 2012, 00:38:11
Beyerdynamic DT231 Galactic

Shure SE215
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jbluzb on Sun, 08 January 2012, 05:28:51
I also own several headphones;

Shure SRH-440
Shure SE - 425
Shure SE - 535
AiAiAi Tracks
AKG K420


Nice to know some are OC on sound quality too.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tomten_alle on Sun, 08 January 2012, 07:16:50
I have a DT770 Pro (80 ohm). They are awesome and look very good. Their response is not really linear, though it fits metal very good. Too bad most music sound like crap anyway, thank you loudness war!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sawedust on Sun, 08 January 2012, 15:01:56
Purchased a pair of Ultrasone HFI-580 cans from Amazon during the Black Friday sales.  Still in the process of burning them in; still a little bit of sibilance here and there.  I love the sound of these headphones, especially when listening to electronica, dubstep, etc.

Chose them from recommendations over at Head-Fi over the SRH-840 and ATH-M50 cans; all three were around the same price at the time of purchase.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Barn on Sun, 08 January 2012, 16:35:26
Bose QuietComfort 3 on ear. Fantastic headphones. Still looking for a decent pair of in-ear buds though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Tue, 10 January 2012, 20:33:13
Can anyone recommend a dac without an amp(budget $200)? I really like my cmoybb and I'm not looking to have it out of the equation(just yet). I was looking at some of the diy kits on Beezar.com (http://beezar.com). Anyone tamper with any of those?

Update:
Wouldn't mind a dac/amp as long as I can bypass the internal amp when needed. Still no luck finding one. :(
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 10 January 2012, 21:51:07
Quote from: kidchunks;487649
Can anyone recommend a dac without an amp(budget $200)? I really like my cmoybb and I'm not looking to have it out of the equation(just yet). I was looking at some of the diy kits on Beezar.com (http://beezar.com). Anyone tamper with any of those?

Update:
Wouldn't mind a dac/amp as long as I can bypass the internal amp when needed. Still no luck finding one. :(

This is a little above your range, but I hear good things about schiit, though I've never tried them. I should really listen to some other rigs, I went all in with mine without listening around (no way of doing so). I probably couldn't even tell a difference between mine and something much cheaper.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 11 January 2012, 07:28:36
Quote from: kidchunks;487649
Can anyone recommend a dac without an amp(budget $200)? I really like my cmoybb and I'm not looking to have it out of the equation(just yet). I was looking at some of the diy kits on Beezar.com (http://beezar.com). Anyone tamper with any of those?

Update:
Wouldn't mind a dac/amp as long as I can bypass the internal amp when needed. Still no luck finding one. :(


Audinst HUD-mx1. So so amp, but ok as DAC. It sounds better than the FUBAR II as a DAC (also in your price range). Both of these have socketed opamps, so you can roll the sound you want, to get better synergy with your cmoy.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Thu, 12 January 2012, 22:38:49
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll take a look at those.

Anyone know how to convert flac to alac and keep the replay/album gain tags intact? I've tried using dbpoweramp with no luck. When I use the dsp effect for replay gain they don't match with that of foobar.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 13 January 2012, 01:15:55
ALAC tagging doesn't really support replaygain. Is there particular reason you want to use ALAC?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Fri, 13 January 2012, 07:19:08
Quote from: laffindude;489300
ALAC tagging doesn't really support replaygain. Is there particular reason you want to use ALAC?


I know ALAC doesn't support replaygain. Using it for my ipod with iTunNorm.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 15 January 2012, 02:24:01
Quote from: kidchunks;487649
Can anyone recommend a dac without an amp(budget $200)? I really like my cmoybb and I'm not looking to have it out of the equation(just yet). I was looking at some of the diy kits on Beezar.com (http://beezar.com). Anyone tamper with any of those?

Update:
Wouldn't mind a dac/amp as long as I can bypass the internal amp when needed. Still no luck finding one. :(
I'd look into a gamma2 for that budget, You can probably DIY for ~200. (I see $260 for used ones) If you're not into DIY, a professional builder will make you a gamma1 easily for under your budget. There's also a pretty good chance that you can get a gamma2 for under budget built by omitting components (like S/PDIF (optical and coax) out, the Gamma1 DAC (as it'd just pass the I2s to the gamma2's DAC, ASRC upsampling, etc). Tha gamma2 has a S/N ratio of 139 db. Good luck finding that on a similarly/priced commercial product.

Here's the infopage:
http://www.amb.org/audio/gamma2/

About beezar: they're great! I am looking into DIY'ing a grubdac for mp brother, but I may do the skeletondac instead. I've always been a fan of parafeed, and the torpedo looks to be a great amp for ~300.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 15 January 2012, 09:54:57
I have a set of Audio Technica AD700's I bought mostly for gaming. They work great, I'm knifing more people and getting knifed less
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Sun, 15 January 2012, 13:14:26
Why do deals like this never show up whenever I'm looking around and actually have money to spend? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAX-SRS-3030-Classic-System-II-/130624602682?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e69d5423a)

I might still prefer the Normal bias SR-Lambda by comparison, but the SR-313 looks like a really nice amp. It even has a Normal bias output to go with the Pro bias output. This isn't even factoring how the whole thing is a mere $200 shipped!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: modulor on Thu, 19 January 2012, 21:40:50
Koss PortaPro for travels, Grado sr80i with L-Cush for home.   The PortaPro's are hands down the best bang for your buck of any headphone.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 20 January 2012, 15:35:23
I need advice for something a little out of the ordinary. I am looking for some bluetooth circumaurals that sound half decent for use with iPhone. Besides the $500 sennheiers, which I don't want to pay that much, is anyone aware of anything else? I need some new ones for portable use and the jack on my iDevice is almost nonfunctional... trying to avoid paying to have it fixed if I can do bluetooth. Thanks.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: quake4mhg on Fri, 20 January 2012, 23:51:52
Sennheiser PC360. Brought it 2 years ago. Great directional sound cue in FPS games.
It running good with my cheapo asus DG. (still waiting for asus xense sold separately :ohwell: )
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3586/dsc04651640x480.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Sat, 21 January 2012, 01:14:24
Quote from: lysol;495106
I need advice for something a little out of the ordinary. I am looking for some bluetooth circumaurals that sound half decent for use with iPhone. Besides the $500 sennheiers, which I don't want to pay that much, is anyone aware of anything else? I need some new ones for portable use and the jack on my iDevice is almost nonfunctional... trying to avoid paying to have it fixed if I can do bluetooth. Thanks.


May be something like this will widen your choices in headphones.
http://www.amazon.com/Miccus-BluBridge-Mini-Jack-Bluetooth-Bluetooth-Enabled/dp/B0038MA11U
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: arplod on Sat, 21 January 2012, 13:33:58
Quote from: lysol;495106
I need advice for something a little out of the ordinary. I am looking for some bluetooth circumaurals that sound half decent for use with iPhone. Besides the $500 sennheiers, which I don't want to pay that much, is anyone aware of anything else? I need some new ones for portable use and the jack on my iDevice is almost nonfunctional... trying to avoid paying to have it fixed if I can do bluetooth. Thanks.

Plug a regular headphone into a Jabra Clipper / Nokia BH-111 / 214?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 21 January 2012, 20:29:56
I didn't think to look for some adapter receiver doodad...definitely another option, thanks. Otherwise I might see if I can find a decent repair service other than Apple, who don't charge 50% the price of a new iPhone... shysters.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: HolidaySHRIMP on Wed, 25 January 2012, 06:47:40
Astro mixamp + sennheiser pc360 (hd555 drivers) for my Xbox 360 and for lync at work.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 25 January 2012, 06:56:19
Has anyone had experience with the Sennheiser MM400s or the PX210BTs?  I'm looking for a solid set of bluetooth headphones for work.  I'm getting annoyed with cables getting wrapped around my chair's armrests.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 25 January 2012, 12:37:00
I went for the Senn PX210BTs.  Thanks, everyone, for all your help and input.  It was appreciated.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 25 January 2012, 16:07:59
I am tempted to put Sennheiser Amperior on pre-order. So far the impression is that it is slightly less sharp (in a good way) than the normal HD25-1s. I wonder if I should just take the plunge.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Wed, 25 January 2012, 21:36:55
Finally finished my "not so" portable setup.

(http://kidchunks.com/gh/audio_s1.jpg)

- DT770 Pro (250ohm)
- iPod 5.5g 80gb
- cMoyBB 2.03
- Gamma 1 lite
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 01 February 2012, 06:13:23
Quote from: itlnstln;498769
I went for the Senn PX210BTs.  Thanks, everyone, for all your help and input.  It was appreciated.

The PX210BTs came in last night and they sound pretty good for portable, BT headphones.  Obviously, these aren't going to replace your Grado/headphone amp setup, but they'll do for some work-friendly headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Forin on Wed, 01 February 2012, 19:28:46
My headphones are Audio Technica ATH-AD700.

At first I was blown away, since these are my first better headphones, but after some time I agree that they could have better bass and color is terrible.

I think that I need to upgrade to ATH-AD900.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: lorem3k on Wed, 01 February 2012, 21:45:41
I have a Matrix Mini-i as my DAC/amp and Senn HD25-1 IIs. For portable use I have an iPod Classic.
Quote from: Forin;505736
My headphones are Audio Technica ATH-AD700.
At first I was blown away, since these are my first better headphones, but after some time I agree that they could have better bass and color is terrible.
I think that I need to upgrade to ATH-AD900.
If you're looking for better bass, don't look to the AD series at all, apparently the bass is pretty much the same on almost all of them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 01 February 2012, 21:49:43
Right now I have Audio Technica M50s, and they're great.

This looks like a pretty large thread for headphones, so if you guys want to all there is to know about sound equipment, head over to http://www.head-fi.org where the audio enthusiasts hangs out.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 01 February 2012, 22:18:41
I honestly haven't heard a set of Audio Technicas that's worth the price range they're selling at.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Forin on Thu, 02 February 2012, 03:15:24
I noticed that, but I've listened to ATH-AD900 and they are adequate IMO for my taste. I'm not looking for bass-only headphones.

Beside I love how comfortable their headphones are.

Yes they are overpriced.

Quote from: lorem3k;505890


If you're looking for better bass, don't look to the AD series at all, apparently the bass is pretty much the same on almost all of them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 02 February 2012, 03:38:16
That depends on the genre you listen to of course. The one note bass isn't too noticeable in things with electronic beats. They do well with female vocals especially. Plus they look cool while out and about. Have you seen how dorky HD25-1's are? They're worse when on your head. Amperior here I come.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 08 February 2012, 00:59:14
i've been rocking a various combinations of:

usb -> amb y1 -> {meta42, amb mini3} -> {hd600, alessandro ms1, ety er6, ety hf2} for about 10 years

feel free to shoot me any questions about the components

i also recently fixed up some rotted out infiniti ref1 bookshelves and paired them with a lepai tripath amp if you want to know about that.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Namkung on Wed, 08 February 2012, 04:14:50
Looking to purchase HD 598.
I plan on using it for listening to music on my computer (FLAC files) most of the time and maybe sometimes on my ipod .
Listening to mostly classical piano / soprano-pop crossovers like sarah brightman and the likes +_+.
Was wondering if getting a D/A converter might be worth it and if so how is HRT music streamer 2? I have heard that is pretty good
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: zirb on Wed, 08 February 2012, 08:18:18
I can only speak for the HD598. I've tried several available headphones in some local stores here and the HD558/HD598 where the most comfortable from the beginning. I ended up buying the HD558 because they where on offer (120€) and the difference between those two was not too huge.

Can't tell how much of a difference an D/A would make.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 08 February 2012, 08:27:23
and 558 is not too high on the ladder for bang for buck either.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 08 February 2012, 10:21:31
for computer listening, imo a D/A (even a relatively cheap usb audio device) is a must-have just because of the high noise floor from EMI inside the machine. the exception to this is apple products, which are pretty well thought out.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 08 February 2012, 10:30:55
well for whatever reason their d/a pathway is usually pretty clean
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: IPT on Wed, 08 February 2012, 12:24:35
Quote from: laffindude;505927
I honestly haven't heard a set of Audio Technicas that's worth the price range they're selling at.

AD700's are only about $70-80 bucks, i dunno what other headphone offers that great of a sound stage at that price

I myself bought them as my 1st "audiophile class" headphone, I now have the AKG K701
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: minnus on Thu, 09 February 2012, 18:51:47
I have the 595 and 650. Comfort-wise, I prefer the 595.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Bertross on Thu, 09 February 2012, 22:16:32
I use Beyerdynamics DT880 250Ohm on my Asus STX, freaking awesome!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jonnybastard on Thu, 09 February 2012, 22:37:21
Quote from: Bertross;510732
I use Beyerdynamics DT880 250Ohm on my Asus STX, freaking awesome!

Recently upgraded to a pair of those myself, definately a cut above the AD700's I was rocking previously.  What amp are you using out of curiosity?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Pred on Fri, 10 February 2012, 02:32:14
I obtained about a year ago a pair of Audio-Technica ATH-A500s off craigslist for 10 bucks, which was a steal.

The guy thought that the thing was broken, and so wanted to get rid of it for some money. I got it, then looked to see if it really was broken. After some further inspection, I saw that the gold connecting piece had broken, with a bend in it and some connection issues on the inside. I went to a nearby radioshack and bought a new connector piece, and now these headphones work like new.

I LOVe these headphones, they sound incredible, though they do feel kind of flimsy.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Forin on Fri, 10 February 2012, 04:20:16
Had AD900 were for $160-180 I would already have one.

Quote from: projectD;509322
AD700's are only about $70-80 bucks, i dunno what other headphone offers that great of a sound stage at that price

I myself bought them as my 1st "audiophile class" headphone, I now have the AKG K701


Quote
I honestly haven't heard a set of Audio Technicas that's worth the price range they're selling at.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Roguemaster8 on Fri, 10 February 2012, 05:10:04
Nothing fancy, just a Sennheiser HD 428 I've been using for over a year now.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]39985[/ATTACH]

Plugged into the front of my computer for enchanting on board audio sound.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mackem on Fri, 10 February 2012, 10:07:47
I'm going to buy the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms soon.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Scottyyy on Fri, 10 February 2012, 18:35:51
Quote from: Mackem;511002
I'm going to buy the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms soon.

I hope you like bass :D

I used to be a pretty big headphone fan. Tried all kinds of headphones, but once I settled my setup I stopped following. I'm pretty sure I'll never change from my Denon D5000s. They are perfect for me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Bertross on Sat, 11 February 2012, 03:52:05
Quote from: jonnybastard;510749
Recently upgraded to a pair of those myself, definately a cut above the AD700's I was rocking previously.  What amp are you using out of curiosity?


Just using High Gain on the STX, if i was going to amp them i would go DAC Magic for sure. I find the STX good enough for my gaming needs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: boredgunner on Sun, 12 February 2012, 15:53:38
Here's mine - Cooler Master Storm Sirus.  It does everything I want a pair of headphones to do and then some.  I use it in USB mode so I can use the control console.

(http://www.gnd-tech.com/image/i/WhJAk.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: FKSSR on Mon, 13 February 2012, 10:21:04
I bought an ASUS Xonar DG sound card and a pair of Corsair HS1A headphones.  I really like the combo.  THe headphones are comfortable, and they feel very solid (more solid than the SteelSeries 5HV2 that I replaced).  The mic quality is also great, which is important for my MP gaming.

The reason I didn't buy the USB version is because I wanted my speakers to also benefit from a higher quality soundcard than built-in.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 13 February 2012, 13:56:54
Friends don't let friends use Asus soundcard. Horrible drivers.
http://brainbit.wordpress.com/category/articles/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: FKSSR on Mon, 13 February 2012, 14:46:40
Quote from: laffindude;513372
Friends don't let friends use Asus soundcard. Horrible drivers.
http://brainbit.wordpress.com/category/articles/

Thanks for posting that!  I will check my latency when I'm at home.  I haven't had any issues, but maybe I just haven't noticed them.  I only heard good things about Xonar DG before I bought it, but that doesn't always mean there are no issues... :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Tue, 14 February 2012, 05:17:34
Not sure if you noticed, there are DPC optimized driver at that website. That was the point of me posting the link ;o
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: FKSSR on Tue, 14 February 2012, 10:08:01
Quote from: laffindude;513997
Not sure if you noticed, there are DPC optimized driver at that website. That was the point of me posting the link ;o

I didn't have time to do much with it last night, but I'm going to install the Uni drivers this afternoon. :)  Thanks!!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Tue, 14 February 2012, 10:32:07
This thread needs more pictures of good DAC+AMP+headphone combos. This is what I've been using for the past two years or so.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]40477[/ATTACH]
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 14 February 2012, 22:47:23
Quote from: db_Iodine;514172
This thread needs more pictures of good DAC+AMP+headphone combos. This is what I've been using for the past two years or so.

(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/76/106994.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 15 February 2012, 07:50:52
Man, that makes me a bit envious.

I've been thinking of buying a pair of closed headphones to pair with my K701. Been thinking about Beyerdynamic DT770's and a few Ultrasone models. Any suggestions on which would be the best bang for buck? With Ultrasone I'm most afraid of the bass, and that it's going to be a bit too much for my taste.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 15 February 2012, 08:43:27
I cant really recommend much. Ive only owned a couple of grados and the lcd2s. Ive never had a chance to go to a meet or anything
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 15 February 2012, 09:18:04
Quote from: db_Iodine;514172
This thread needs more pictures of good DAC+AMP+headphone combos. This is what I've been using for the past two years or so.

Okay.

AKG K701 and 271 mk IIs with a Woo Audio 6SE, using both an EML 5U4G/Tung Sol 6SN7GT combo and a Sophia/Sylvania set of tubes. Both sound incredible. Oddly enough, and its probably because the 701s are more broken in, but right now the 271s do not have as much bass, something that is really odd considering that the 701s have a false reputation for being light on the bass. Hook them up to a proper amp though, and its there in abundance. The 271s don't lack for detail though, and the efficiency is much better. I was actually surprised by how much detail they actually show, but I suppose that's because its basically the same driver as the 240 just with a closed back. I bought the 271s to combat the plague of Beats by Dre headphones all over the WSU campus. They cost less than the beats over the ear cans by $75 to $275 and sound phenomenally better.
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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Scottyyy on Wed, 15 February 2012, 21:23:45
Quote from: Ragnorock;515115
Okay.

AKG K701 and 271 mk IIs with a Woo Audio 6SE, using both an EML 5U4G/Tung Sol 6SN7GT combo and a Sophia/Sylvania set of tubes. Both sound incredible. Oddly enough, and its probably because the 701s are more broken in, but right now the 271s do not have as much bass, something that is really odd considering that the 701s have a false reputation for being light on the bass. Hook them up to a proper amp though, and its there in abundance. The 271s don't lack for detail though, and the efficiency is much better. I was actually surprised by how much detail they actually show, but I suppose that's because its basically the same driver as the 240 just with a closed back. I bought the 271s to combat the plague of Beats by Dre headphones all over the WSU campus. They cost less than the beats over the ear cans by $75 to $275 and sound phenomenally better.
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Looks amazing. Tube amps are so pretty. :3

I had a Darkvoice 332 for a while, and it was really awesome. But like with most expensive things I own I end up selling them to buy different things. :/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 15 February 2012, 21:25:41
Thanks man. I feel you but I have no intentions of selling it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jonnybastard on Wed, 15 February 2012, 22:53:53
Loving those tube amps, nice lookin dog too :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Thu, 16 February 2012, 09:39:45
Quote from: Ragnorock;515115
I bought the 271s to combat the plague of Beats by Dre headphones all over the WSU campus. They cost less than the beats over the ear cans by $75 to $275 and sound phenomenally better.


I've seen a lot of Beats by Dre's here in Finland as well. I haven't actually seen any real reviews of those headphones nor have I ever listened to them, so I can't fully judge them but I would estimate they're not good enough to justify the price.

Great pictures and lovely tubes, btw.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 16 February 2012, 11:08:16
They're exactly what you would expect headphones branded by a washed up rap singer would be. Retarded amounts of bass with 0 attention to clarity, distortion removal, tonal balance, detail, or soundstage. They are the high price equivalent to $.02 Apple earbuds used only for a fashion statement by those that don't know anything about headphones other than "It makes the music come out" ... well some of it at least.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: noGG on Thu, 16 February 2012, 14:28:25
Beats are the headphones for people that pretend they care/know about sound quality but are actually talking out of their ass. I'll stick with my ATH-M50's. I'd much rather have headphones that let me hear aspects of a song that I didn't know where there before than ones that simply make everything loud. I honestly don't see why anyone in their right mind would buy a pair of Beats when there's obviously headphones for half the price the sound EXACTLY THE SAME.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: wongster on Thu, 16 February 2012, 14:28:45
Quote from: db_Iodine;515051
I've been thinking of buying a pair of closed headphones to pair with my K701. Been thinking about Beyerdynamic DT770's and a few Ultrasone models. Any suggestions on which would be the best bang for buck? With Ultrasone I'm most afraid of the bass, and that it's going to be a bit too much for my taste.

Disclaimer: I am not an audiophile, nor do I own much audio equipment. I don't know that much about audio, but I'll give you my impressions of my Ultrasone headphone.

I have an Ultrasone PRO550, which is a pretty fantastic headphone in my opinion. I would definitely be careful of getting Ultrasones though, some people like really them, and some really don't. They excel with electronica music; because of that, the bass may be too much for you. The bass is not overpowering for me; it provides a very nice thump and I would classify it as a "fun" headphone because I like some bass in my music and games. It has a really nice airy soundstage for closed back headphones.

I think the PRO550 was a good buy. It all depends on what you will be listening to because different headphones suit different people. For bassier music, the PRO550 will be hard to beat at it's price range (I got it at $150 on Amazon. edit: wow it's now at $200. Yikes!). If you tend to listen to classical music, something like the Sennheiser 595 or something like that would be better. I hope that helps! :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dirge on Thu, 16 February 2012, 14:44:32
I use an old pair of grado s80's.  my walking around I use weston um2's.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: noGG on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:20:38
How are the Weston UM2's? I've been thinking about investing in a pair when I start DJ'ing for people other than my roommates to save my hearing in the long run, but I'm a real stickler for sound quality. Mainly interested in how accurate they are and how comfortable they are to wear over an extended period of time.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dirge on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:48:26
I love them noGG, worn on the train for an hour there and back a day.  Al Green to Green Day, sounds great to me, not as tiring as the Grado 80's not as harsh either.  For what I have to compare them with is limited, I'm very happy with my purchase, 4 yeasr or so later.  The price of the tips has gone up some mind.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Collective on Thu, 16 February 2012, 16:48:43
Iodine, I find myself in the same position as you, I have k701s and I was also thinking about buying another headphone to have as a second reference.  I think the Beyerdynamics look more comfortable and more like the K701 style than the Ultrasones, but also the frequency response is very similar to the AKGs at least according to the frequency graphs at headphone.com.  Anyways, no matter your choice, if you really think there is too much bass you can always put on some equalization.  I use foobar2000 with the winamp dsp bridge and use the Electri-q posihfopit free parametric equalizer through that.  Lots of people talk about each headphone's frequency response signature like you're committed to it but you're not, I think you are more committed to the stereo imaging, fit, and appearance, so just don't worry about it I'm sure you'll make a good choice.  It might be worth it to just get something like a refurbished HD 280 for a closed phone so you can buy some other open phones haha.  I personally don't know whether to get HD 555, HD 558, or a KRK 10S subwoofer.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 17 February 2012, 05:03:49
Quote from: wongster;516277
Disclaimer: I am not an audiophile, nor do I own much audio equipment. I don't know that much about audio, but I'll give you my impressions of my Ultrasone headphone.

I have an Ultrasone PRO550, which is a pretty fantastic headphone in my opinion. I would definitely be careful of getting Ultrasones though, some people like really them, and some really don't. They excel with electronica music; because of that, the bass may be too much for you. The bass is not overpowering for me; it provides a very nice thump and I would classify it as a "fun" headphone because I like some bass in my music and games. It has a really nice airy soundstage for closed back headphones.

I think the PRO550 was a good buy. It all depends on what you will be listening to because different headphones suit different people. For bassier music, the PRO550 will be hard to beat at it's price range (I got it at $150 on Amazon. edit: wow it's now at $200. Yikes!). If you tend to listen to classical music, something like the Sennheiser 595 or something like that would be better. I hope that helps! :)


The Pro 550 would be in the same price range as the DT 770, but I was actually thinking of going up to Pro 750. Perhaps I'll just take a plunge and try the Pro 750 out and if I for some reason don't like them, I can always return them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Index on Fri, 17 February 2012, 11:37:56
Just ordered a new portable headphone amp! I'm so excited!!! Getting the PA2V2 from Gary.

I also plan to get the new Limited Edition DT 770 Pros. Might also get the TMA-1's for portable use.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 17 February 2012, 11:58:25
DT770 Pro limited edition use the 32ohm drivers. Make sure you know what you're getting into. The drivers sound very different (in a bad way) compared to the 250 and 600ohm version.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: wongster on Fri, 17 February 2012, 13:07:17
Quote from: db_Iodine;516869
The Pro 550 would be in the same price range as the DT 770, but I was actually thinking of going up to Pro 750. Perhaps I'll just take a plunge and try the Pro 750 out and if I for some reason don't like them, I can always return them.

Oh, okay. I've heard good things about the Pro 750 as well, and just like you said you can return them if they don't work for you.

Good luck! :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Index on Fri, 17 February 2012, 13:18:26
http://www.head-fi.org/a/headphone-impedance

Just because a pair of headphones has a lower impedance, doesn't mean it's better. It all depends on your setup.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Surly73 on Tue, 21 February 2012, 17:33:21
Quote from: laffindude;513372
Friends don't let friends use Asus soundcard. Horrible drivers.
http://brainbit.wordpress.com/category/articles/


I thought that was the common wisdom for anything from Creative.  It seems that EVERYONE has horrible drivers.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Tue, 21 February 2012, 22:03:37
Quote from: Surly73;521105
I thought that was the common wisdom for anything from Creative.  It seems that EVERYONE has horrible drivers.
It's practically a rule that audio device drivers have to suck, in my experience. Creative, Asus, Realtek, maybe even non-Asus, C-Media-based cards too. (It's quite telling that some of the Xonar Unified Driver (http://brainbit.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/asus-xonar-unified-drivers/) packages use the default C-Media control panel like the Auzentech and HT Omega cards using the same chipset.)

That said, my X-Fi cards haven't given me much fuss, from my four-year-old X-Fi Prelude to the X-Fi Forte to the X-Fi Titanium HD I traded the Forte for (other guy needed analog surround channels, I didn't). Good thing that's the case, because I have to have their gaming DSP effects.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 21 February 2012, 22:19:03
I would just like to mention that the only way to properly do DAC is with a standalone DAC out of the case, (Schiit Bifrost or something) not a sound card. Anyone trying to argue the merits of one brand of sound card vs another is silly.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 21 February 2012, 23:26:25
meh. it's not like usb dacs are immune from EMI or other pc-based noise sources; they get a fair amount of noise over the bus (particularly if they rely on it for power), and computer desks are pretty noisy things.

it's important to remember that you're never going to get distortion-less audio repro, and by far the largest source of distortion in any reasonable listening setup is environmental (pollution, reflections, etc), and all the stuff between the voice coils and your brain ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 21 February 2012, 23:54:25
I was thinking of optical or coaxial input, USB DACs just aren't as good.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 22 February 2012, 00:02:39
coax and optical are both far from perfect, and the audio codecs tend to resample before sending the bits out.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Surly73 on Wed, 22 February 2012, 10:39:20
Quote from: NamelessPFG;521393
It's practically a rule that audio device drivers have to suck, in my experience. Creative, Asus, Realtek, maybe even non-Asus, C-Media-based cards too. (It's quite telling that some of the Xonar Unified Driver (http://brainbit.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/asus-xonar-unified-drivers/) packages use the default C-Media control panel like the Auzentech and HT Omega cards using the same chipset.)

That said, my X-Fi cards haven't given me much fuss, from my four-year-old X-Fi Prelude to the X-Fi Forte to the X-Fi Titanium HD I traded the Forte for (other guy needed analog surround channels, I didn't). Good thing that's the case, because I have to have their gaming DSP effects.

I've had lots of issues with my Auzentech Forte 7.1 drivers by Creative.  Analog outputs vanish.  It thinks the card isn't installed. Problems and crashes when switching modes.  Sometimes when switching the number of speakers (or from speakers to headphones) all audio will go away and not come back.  Really annoying.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 22 February 2012, 11:02:40
Quote from: mkawa;521560
coax and optical are both far from perfect, and the audio codecs tend to resample before sending the bits out.

I'm not saying that standalone DACs are superior to analog by itself, I'm saying that they are superior to internal soundcards aslmost universally. Also the bifrost does bitperfect conversion, meaning no upscaling.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Parak on Wed, 22 February 2012, 11:29:59
Quote from: Ragnorock;521906
I'm not saying that standalone DACs are superior to analog by itself, I'm saying that they are superior to internal soundcards aslmost universally.

That's a pretty lofty claim, actually. In which metrics are they superior, and do you have objective measurements to back that up?

:pop2:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 22 February 2012, 13:11:57
I don't need to, do your own research. I don't have time to explain it again.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Parak on Wed, 22 February 2012, 14:12:01
Quote from: Ragnorock;522008
I don't need to, do your own research. I don't have time to explain it again.

Yeah that's not quite how this works. If you make a nebulous claim like that without providing evidence, I don't need to find evidence of my own to dismiss it.

Here's a similar pointless argument: "I would just like to mention that the only way to properly drive to the grocery store is with a Ford (Mustang Boss or something) not a Chevy. Anyone trying to argue the merits of Corvette vs Camaro is silly."
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 22 February 2012, 14:19:01
Point taken, but if I'm going to spend my time arguing the merits of soundcards vs standalone DACs, I'm going to do it on Head FI, not a headphone thread on a keyboard forum. I have group buys to run. Its something I have generally regarded as fact for a long time like most people who know about them do. I'm not going to go dredging up relevant information to further derail a thread, sorry.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Typhaeon on Wed, 22 February 2012, 15:27:22
Lower-end setup compared to most here: Sennheiser PC350s running through an ASUS Xonar Essence STX.  I should at least upgrade the cans at some point; was thinking about the 360s since Sennheisers have great build quality and the noise-cancelling mic has never let me down.  

Pretty much every other headset has a bunch of gimmicky "gamer" horse**** tacked onto it, and uses some awful on-board USB sound processor that makes my supposed enthusiast card rather irrelevant in function.  Suggestions, anybody?  I'd very much prefer a headset to a standard pair of headphones, because standalone mics are often terrible, don't cancel noise properly, etc.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 22 February 2012, 15:36:48
Blue microphones aren't terrible, just sayin'.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: volund on Wed, 22 February 2012, 17:41:57
I'm currently using a pair of JVC HA-RX 700's fed by a ASUS Xonar DX
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Wed, 22 February 2012, 21:33:57
Quote from: Surly73;521890
I've had lots of issues with my Auzentech Forte 7.1 drivers by Creative.  Analog outputs vanish.  It thinks the card isn't installed. Problems and crashes when switching modes.  Sometimes when switching the number of speakers (or from speakers to headphones) all audio will go away and not come back.  Really annoying.
I'll admit, my Forte disappeared from Windows once, and it wasn't solved until I started changing which PCIe slot it was installed in. There was also the occasional lockup during mode switch, which seemed to be avoidable if I just make sure to close every application first, including Web browsers. Not exactly the best of driver experiences, but at least it worked most of the time.

By comparison, the Prelude and Titanium HD are quite stable, same damn Creative drivers aside. I'm just grateful that they're usable at all given how much I depend on their DSP features while gaming. Wouldn't want to do without EAX or CMSS-3D Headphone now...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 22 February 2012, 21:53:52
Quote from: Ragnorock;521906
I'm not saying that standalone DACs are superior to analog by itself, I'm saying that they are superior to internal soundcards aslmost universally. Also the bifrost does bitperfect conversion, meaning no upscaling.
actually this isn't necessarily true. the issue, as i alluded to before is noise. _in general_ there are more sources of noise inside the case than out.

generally speaking, there are two sources of noise when you colocate your D/A stage with your computer. 1) EMI 2) switching noise from the PC's power supply

the reason people generally try to do D/A conversion out of the case is that moving out of the case is the most reasonable way to avoid both sources of noise. EMI is generally blocked by a sufficiently thick case, and the PC's power supply can't inject noise on your D/A's power rail if it's not powered by it.

that said, nothing's stopping you from doing both within the case, and if you look at pro audio cards such as the m-audio line, they deal with EMI by shielding their cards, and regulate the crap out of power from the power supply to stomp out noise on the power rail. in exchange, they get massive bandwidth from being on PCIe.

it's also worth noting that you can fail at both these things on an outboard device too. this is why, eg, usb devices don't always sound that great. not only do they have to deal with bus noise, traffic, and corruption, but it's not like the only source of EMI is your computer... further, usually _if_ they have outboard power supplies, they're switchers that are just as noisy as your ATX job, and lower voltage to boot. spdif doesn't completely fix this, but at least gets rid of the bus aspect. still, you have to keep resampling, jitter, etc. in mind if you go this route.

anyway, my point was that nothing's perfect, and you shouldn't feel like you need to rejigger everything and buy all kinds of audiophile gear because someone on the internet tells you that your sound card is junk.

my "perfect" setup (ie, the one i can't find enough flaws in to give a piss) is a pair of infinity ref1's (ca. 1989) i got free and refoamed, a lepai ta2020-based amp that i hacked the input section off of (the volume pot died, oops), and an amb gamma1 kit that i leave usb powered. the headphone end of it is a meta42 kit and a pair of senn hd600s (pushing 11 years old this year!).

at near field, this is about as good as it gets, and the largest investment was in tools and time to build and learn.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kraise on Thu, 23 February 2012, 08:53:56
Anyone have good recommendations for headphones that will be good for computer use and for listening through an amp to practice guitar?

I have been looking at ATH-M50s, AKG K240s, and AKG K271s. I have tried the first two at a local store and they both felt good on my head and both produced different sounds (semi-open vs. closed) but also fine. I wasn't hugely impressed however but maybe because my expectations were so high after reading so many reviews... I still might get the M50s though since they felt a little more sturdy and I already know I will probably drop them a few times on my hardwood floor. I do like the fact though that both AKGs come with two detachable cables though, one can be used for computer use and the other to my amp. I'm open to suggestions! And also important: budget is around $250 CAD

Note: I have had my eyes on AKG K702s for a while now but seems that prices here have jumped from at least a year ago, around $450 now.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 23 February 2012, 09:14:31
alessandro music series 1. sublime for guitar practice
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Thu, 23 February 2012, 10:37:24
Speaking of EMI inside computer cases, I wonder if that's actually what people hear from the analog outputs of onboard audio and not, say, a ground loop caused by poor motherboard design (from an audio standpoint).

I'm not saying that EMI/RFI is a non-factor, but I can't rule out the possibility that some of the issues are misattributed, either.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:05:48
Quote from: kraise;523016
Anyone have good recommendations for headphones that will be good for computer use and for listening through an amp to practice guitar?

I have been looking at ATH-M50s, AKG K240s, and AKG K271s. I have tried the first two at a local store and they both felt good on my head and both produced different sounds (semi-open vs. closed) but also fine. I wasn't hugely impressed however but maybe because my expectations were so high after reading so many reviews... I still might get the M50s though since they felt a little more sturdy and I already know I will probably drop them a few times on my hardwood floor. I do like the fact though that both AKGs come with two detachable cables though, one can be used for computer use and the other to my amp. I'm open to suggestions! And also important: budget is around $250 CAD

Note: I have had my eyes on AKG K702s for a while now but seems that prices here have jumped from at least a year ago, around $450 now.
Okay so the 701/2s are actually $280 on amazon. I have Prime so I could get them to me for free and then I could ship them to you if they are that much more expensive in Canada. I recently bought a pair of 271mk2s, which are essentially closed back 240s, so they offer a nice balance between the great soundstage and clarity of the 240s, while upping the bass and isolation toward the M50s. The mids on the M50s are pretty weak compared to their bass and treble, but overall are still an excellent value, no one will ever say you made a bad buy getting them. It depends on your musical tastes and such more than anything. While the bass in the M50s isn't overpowering, its just really well done, they aren't suited for every kind of music. Unamped, the 271s have enough efficiency that I can listen to them as loud as I want without having to deal with the lack of portability that comes with using an amp. Amped though, the 702s are pretty much superior in every way, including bass- lol yeah, I was surprised.

Since you probably don't really need to keep others from hearing your music or you hearing outside noises, closed isn't strictly necessary unless you are a bass freak.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: emptyk on Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:20:24
^ Amazon Prime is the Devil and an enabler of acquisition disorder.

To stay on topic, I bought my Sennheiser HD-650 headphones using Amazon Prime.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kraise on Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:42:12
Quote from: mkawa;523028
alessandro music series 1. sublime for guitar practice

I hear good things about those too but unfortunately I can't find anyone who carries them locally to try and/or buy :(

Quote from: Ragnorock;523211
Okay so the 701/2s are actually $280 on amazon. I have Prime so I could get them to me for free and then I could ship them to you if they are that much more expensive in Canada. I recently bought a pair of 271mk2s, which are essentially closed back 240s, so they offer a nice balance between the great soundstage and clarity of the 240s, while upping the bass and isolation toward the M50s. The mids on the M50s are pretty weak compared to their bass and treble, but overall are still an excellent value, no one will ever say you made a bad buy getting them. It depends on your musical tastes and such more than anything. While the bass in the M50s isn't overpowering, its just really well done, they aren't suited for every kind of music. Unamped, the 271s have enough efficiency that I can listen to them as loud as I want without having to deal with the lack of portability that comes with using an amp. Amped though, the 702s are pretty much superior in every way, including bass- lol yeah, I was surprised.

Since you probably don't really need to keep others from hearing your music or you hearing outside noises, closed isn't strictly necessary unless you are a bass freak.

Wow, thanks for the advice and offer! I didn't get a chance to try the 271s but I just slightly preferred the sound of the 240 over the M50 so I was kind of curious to try the 271 – I was late to meet someone so I had to leave the store. I am almost positive I would have liked it but I also like the semi-open back of the 240s... which brings me back to my first choice: 702.

This is probably the only store in my area that carries the 702 (link below) and although there are a couple of websites that will ship it to me, they will still be over $400. I go here to try out any music/audio-related equipment.
http://www.long-mcquade.com/products/6291/Pro_Audio_Recording/Headphones/AKG/K702_-_Premium_Open_Ear_Reference_Headphones.htm

However, I think I may just pull the trigger on either the 240 or 271 after I try both of them out in-store and see if I ever feel the need to upgrade to the 702 in the future. I won't be able to afford a proper amp anytime soon so I think that is my most rational decision.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:46:02
Lol yeah, I know how it can be buying things in Canada. Amazon.ca sucks by comparison. Let me know if you want me to do the same deal for either of those though, I figure the shipping to you may or may not make it worthwhile though. They're both around 125-150 here.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kraise on Thu, 23 February 2012, 13:14:37
Quote from: emptyk;523231
To stay on topic, I bought my Sennheiser HD-650 headphones using Amazon Prime.

I wish I could get those! Just outside of my budget though. I'm trying to be good and start giving myself a budget for purchases.

Quote from: Ragnorock;523273
Lol yeah, I know how it can be buying things in Canada. Amazon.ca sucks by comparison. Let me know if you want me to do the same deal for either of those though, I figure the shipping to you may or may not make it worthwhile though. They're both around 125-150 here.

I really appreciate the offer and although I would probably save a few bucks (even after compensating you) I'll just get them locally to save any hassle. Thanks though!

Amazon.ca does suck for electronics and variety and I sometimes buy off Amazon.com anyway and just take the hit from duty/customs but a lot of things won't even ship. I will try out the 240 and M50 again and then try the 271 and get one of the three if I really like one of them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: modulor on Thu, 23 February 2012, 13:18:41
One of my good friends just ordered a pair of the AKG K 271 MK II 32ohm and I've very curious to hear what they sound like compared to my Senn HD280 Pros 64ohm once his are broken in.  Plus, they are pretty badass looking in comparision.  The only time I use the Senns though is for planes or the occasional solo metro train ride.  They can't compare to open air cans like my Grado 225i or even my Koss PortaPro (IMO) but when external silence is of importance, a good pair of closed phones is indeed necessary (as is his case).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 23 February 2012, 14:39:26
Quote from: mkawa;523028
alessandro music series 1. sublime for guitar practice


I'd of reccomended something similar, although I would have suggested grado based on personal experience with them, they're largely the same can so I'd assume that the ms-1 is just as good if not better for the purpose.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 23 February 2012, 14:50:45
Allesandros are basically tuned/upgraded Grados... so yeah you can get 90% of the can with a pair of Grados.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 23 February 2012, 16:13:25
Quote from: NamelessPFG;523116
Speaking of EMI inside computer cases, I wonder if that's actually what people hear from the analog outputs of onboard audio and not, say, a ground loop caused by poor motherboard design (from an audio standpoint).

I'm not saying that EMI/RFI is a non-factor, but I can't rule out the possibility that some of the issues are misattributed, either.
i think the ****tyness of onboard audio is caused by a huge number of factors and it's probably not worth thinking too much about exactly which one of them is worst.

alessandros are barely modified grados. given the qc from the grado factory (basically non-existent), it's hard to believe that they would sound any different on average, AND YET i tried both the sr80 and the MS1s as a guitar monitor, and i preferred the MS1s. i have no idea why, but the MS1s sounded lusher and fuller.

afaik they measure approximately the same as the sr80/sr125 though, so i dunno really.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bace on Thu, 23 February 2012, 21:21:35
I just recently got into headphones after mechanical keyboards. Heres what I currently have in my possession.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]41514[/ATTACH]
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: AKIMbO on Thu, 23 February 2012, 22:18:34
Quote from: bace;523797
I just recently got into headphones after mechanical keyboards. Heres what I currently have in my possession.

(Attachment) 41514[/ATTACH]

How do you like those beyers?  I've got a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-990 Premiums and I've always been curious as to what their supra-aurals sound like.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bace on Thu, 23 February 2012, 23:09:25
Quote from: AKIMbO;523866
How do you like those beyers?  I've got a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-990 Premiums and I've always been curious as to what their supra-aurals sound like.

Me ears are still pretty inexperienced but the dt1350s sound excellent to me and I like them alot. They are very comfortable and isolates very well. The highs and mids are extremely clear and crisp but not piercing. The lows are tight and punchy but lacking some body. Amping does helps to add body to the lows though. I've had little experience with circumaurals so I can't really make any comparisons. I listen mostly to alt. rock, rap/hip-hop, dubstep, and progressive/electro house. The dt1350 are my favorite for alt. rock and electro house while I prefer the hd25-1 or the tma-1 for rap and dubstep although the dt1350 could hold its own in those genres too.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Supertoaster on Thu, 23 February 2012, 23:59:29
I'm using this crappy Rosewill USB headset. It has such boring sound. I plan to get some JVC HAR700's and a Asus XONAR DG for my Birthday in May.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826193055
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 24 February 2012, 00:41:23
Quote from: bace;523919
I listen mostly to alt. rock, rap/hip-hop, dubstep, and progressive/electro house.


That's pretty obvious from your collection of cans. You really should pick up a set of Denon D2000. They're right up your alley.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mackem on Fri, 24 February 2012, 08:45:39
I've heard the DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms are also good for those genres of music (Which I listen to). Good buy or not? I'm planning on buying them pretty soon.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: volund on Fri, 24 February 2012, 09:21:11
Quote from: Supertoaster;523973
I'm using this crappy Rosewill USB headset. It has such boring sound. I plan to get some JVC HAR700's and a Asus XONAR DG for my Birthday in May.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826193055


awesome combo, I have the Xonar DX and the HARX, great sound quality for games and music
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Supertoaster on Fri, 24 February 2012, 10:33:16
Quote from: volund;524217
awesome combo, I have the Xonar DX and the HARX, great sound quality for games and music


Yeah, plus I can mod them. it's funny the 700s are basically 900s but missing a few things. Do ypu think they work good for electronics with lots of synths
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bace on Fri, 24 February 2012, 11:14:58
Quote from: laffindude;524011
That's pretty obvious from your collection of cans. You really should pick up a set of Denon D2000. They're right up your alley.

Cool, I'll look into those. Thanks.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: GeorgeStorm on Sun, 26 February 2012, 19:58:19
How would people say AKG 601s compare to ones like DT770s in terms of quality?
As far as I'm aware, the DT's are more bass heavy, but purely in terms of build/sound quality, how do they compare? If they are roughly the same price/the 601s being slightly cheaper, would they be a sensible buy?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Sun, 11 March 2012, 09:27:40
So I currently have these **** Aerial 7 headphones (http://www.aerial7.com/product/street/tank/storm/)
It's my birthday soon :D (yay)
and I am kinda thinking that I would like these (http://www.akg.com/site/products/powerslave,id,252,pid,252,nodeid,2,_language,EN.html) and this (http://www.noisymotel.com/product.asp?ProductID=286)
Would it be worth 200 of my precious dollars?
Would you recommend something different?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Sun, 11 March 2012, 09:57:01
You don't really need an amp for those, its the 240's big brother the 701/2 that is difficult to drive without one. Neither is FiiO a top of the line brand, though they do make great portable amps. That said, it will help nonetheless. As for the cans, those are a great option, though I would probably go with the mkiis if you can afford it. The extra accessories and aesthetic redesign makes them a bit better value even with the extra $50 tacked on to the price. Those are semi open, which means if you're wearing them in public and listening to them at a medium-high to loud volume and there isn't a lot of ambient noise, odds are most will be able to hear you. Those concerns depend on your planned usage of them obviously. Anyways I'm a big fan of AKGs, I have the 701s and 271 mkiis. I went with the 271s for my portable pair because of the better sound isolation and I have the 701s if I really want to just listen to the music. If I didn't have them I probably would have gotten the 240s though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Sun, 11 March 2012, 10:08:09
Quote from: Ragnorock;542187
You don't really need an amp for those, its the 240's big brother the 701/2 that is difficult to drive without one. Neither is FiiO a top of the line brand, though they do make great portable amps. That said, it will help nonetheless. As for the cans, those are a great option, though I would probably go with the mkiis if you can afford it. The extra accessories and aesthetic redesign makes them a bit better value even with the extra $50 tacked on to the price. Those are semi open, which means if you're wearing them in public and listening to them at a medium-high to loud volume and there isn't a lot of ambient noise, odds are most will be able to hear you. Those concerns depend on your planned usage of them obviously. Anyways I'm a big fan of AKGs, I have the 701s and 271 mkiis. I went with the 271s for my portable pair because of the better sound isolation and I have the 701s if I really want to just listen to the music. If I didn't have them I probably would have gotten the 240s though.

I'm only going to be using them at home,
So the semi-open doesn't really affect me.
I've tried a friend's 701's,
If I did choose to buy these would they be as comfortable?
I wouldn't be able to afford the mkII's,
are the only differences the extra cable, velvet ear pads, and coiled cable?
What would you recommend as an amp instead of the FiiO?
I wouldn't want to spend more than $85 on an amp if possible.

But then the real question is,
Should I even bother?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Sun, 11 March 2012, 10:32:22
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the 240s and the 271s use the same ear cushion pads, since they're both swappable and from everything I can tell they look the same. If that is the case, then the 240s will not be as comfortable imo. The 701's pads are thicker, and thus my ears, which I generally consider to be of pretty normal, maybe a bit larger in size, do not touch the inside of the can on the 701 but do on the 271s. My friend noted the same difference. Those are pretty much the differences, aside from the exterior redesign, the speakers inside of the 240, whatever version, are the same and sound the same for all intensive purposes. The only real difference is that the ear cushions in the mkii are softer so they conform better to your head, offering better bass response and more comfort.

If it was me doing it all over again, and I was only listening to them at home, I would do almost exactly what I did the first time and save up and get the 701s with a desktop solid state amp such as the Matrix M stage http://www.head-fi.org/t/599832/matrix-m-stage-newest-2-1-version-silver-new

or the pricier tube amp Schiit Lyr. http://www.head-fi.org/t/576141/wts-schiit-lyr-aus

Obviously that is much more than you have laid out for a price range so I say your plan is solid. The 240s are great cans, but buy them first and decide what you think of them before getting an amp. Odds are you won't feel its necessary as long as your source is decent.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Sun, 11 March 2012, 10:45:09
I have about a month to decide on what I want to do.
I am really liking the look of the 240's though.
I should try to sell my Aerial7 cans.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Mon, 12 March 2012, 00:24:23
[ATTACH=CONFIG]43638[/ATTACH]
Grado SR125i, PreSonus Firebox. Probably not the best amp but it's a simple signal chain.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Roguemaster8 on Mon, 12 March 2012, 03:14:22
All these Grado headphones...Are they really worth the price?

I was thinking about upgrading to some M50's, but for that money I could get a nice Tenkeyless Filco with browns.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Kazen on Mon, 12 March 2012, 10:05:59
(http://www.sennheiser.nl/sennheiser/products.nsf/resources/910AB01E74275D46C125768F00494978/$File/MX271_detail.jpg)

cheap 10€ earbuds..

do the job well.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: feckn_eejit on Mon, 12 March 2012, 15:37:43
I've got several old Stax, my favourite of which is the ridiculously uncommon SR-X Mk.III/Pro.  Absolutely incredible transducers... ridiculously, ridiculously accurate.  I'm very impressed by the SR-007s, but find myself preferring the more direct in-your-face presentation of the old X/Pros.  As for the rectangular Stax which most seem to love, I had a pair of SR-404s for a time which I couldn't fall in love with due to the frenetic upper midrange goings-on.  I'd still like to hear a pair of earlier Lambda Sigs which are supposed to be even worse in this regard, but also insanely fast...

My daily drivers are a pair of Grado SR325s which have been breathed on by a very nice and knowledgeable (but flaky...) dude in Ontario to become Symphones Magnums.  Mine are the Mk.II edition as I couldn't bring myself to be without them for months at time to be further upgraded, plus I'm deliriously happy with how they sound as-is.  I ditched a pair of fairly early RS1s after determining the clear superiority of the Magnums.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 12 March 2012, 17:55:42
Quote from: Roguemaster8;543125
All these Grado headphones...Are they really worth the price?

I was thinking about upgrading to some M50's, but for that money I could get a nice Tenkeyless Filco with browns.

I love my sr60i's. I had a pair of 325is, but didn't really like the sound of them all that much. They also made my ears ache (from what I would assume to be the brightness). I drove them with an ibasso d10 cobra. Never tried anything higher than those.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Tue, 13 March 2012, 01:25:25
What would you recommend as a first pair of decent headphones?
These (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-AKG-K240-Studio-Headphones-K-240-S-K240S-headphone-/270905587249?pt=DJ_Gear_Lighting&hash=item3f133b3631#ht_1839wt_1396), or these. (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-GRADO-SR60i-SR60-SR-60-AUDIOPHILE-HEADPHONE-/130566778679?pt=AU_headphone&hash=item1e6662ef37#ht_6005wt_905)
They're both the same price for me to get them.
Not sure what amp I'm going to get to drive them yet either.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 13 March 2012, 01:43:07
koss ksc35 or sportapros if they still make them. no amp.

if you go grado you you need to do sr80s at a minimum. the sr60s are muddy and bleh
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jonnybastard on Tue, 13 March 2012, 01:47:13
I can't comment on either of those, but the Alessandro's MS-2 (Grado's basically) I used to have weren't all that comfy for long sessions.  I've got a pair of Audio Technica AD700's that have had very little use sitting here gathering dust if you're interested, you won't need an amp to drive them either. (http://headphones.com.au/psingle?productID=178)
Send me a PM if you're keen :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Tue, 13 March 2012, 01:48:29
Quote from: mkawa;544234
koss ksc35 or sportapros if they still make them. no amp.

if you go grado you you need to do sr80s at a minimum. the sr60s are muddy and bleh

My friend has some Koss portapros,
and I can not wear them,
they sound good, but they just fall off my head..
The cheapest I can find the sr80's in Australia is $140,
and that's putting me over budget with an amp.

Edit*
I don't think I will, one of my friends might though,
Not sure yet, thanks for the offer.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Maarten on Tue, 13 March 2012, 02:03:18
Im not a headphone guy.... im one of those iem dudes ;) Shure SE530`s on a Meier audio Corda 2 move as DAC and/or amp and when i want to be even more isolated from my environment ill put one of these over my iems;

[ATTACH=CONFIG]43894[/ATTACH]

No, don't laugh.... i know it looks silly but it just gives me such a nice listening experience.....
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 13 March 2012, 02:38:38
try ksc35 then. also sennheiser hd202. the last classic under 70$ is sony mdr-v6/7506. i wouldn't spend more than 50 on a first pair.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Tue, 13 March 2012, 03:11:18
Head-fi are no help whatsoever, I think I'm just gonna buy the K240's.
I'll get an amp/dac later.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Tue, 13 March 2012, 08:09:14
Quote from: mkawa;544277
try ksc35 then. also sennheiser hd202. the last classic under 70$ is sony mdr-v6/7506. i wouldn't spend more than 50 on a first pair.
My first pair... I don't recommend them. Too harsh.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 13 March 2012, 08:17:55
Quote from: PixelVandalism;544218
What would you recommend as a first pair of decent headphones?
These (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-AKG-K240-Studio-Headphones-K-240-S-K240S-headphone-/270905587249?pt=DJ_Gear_Lighting&hash=item3f133b3631#ht_1839wt_1396), or these. (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-GRADO-SR60i-SR60-SR-60-AUDIOPHILE-HEADPHONE-/130566778679?pt=AU_headphone&hash=item1e6662ef37#ht_6005wt_905)
They're both the same price for me to get them.
Not sure what amp I'm going to get to drive them yet either.

I can't recommend because I've never tried the Akg's. Any flat pad Grados are terribly uncomfortable after 2 hours. But I also wouldn't recommend replacing the pads on the sr60's, they sound overly bright and the bass drops out for the most part.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 13 March 2012, 08:27:07
Quote from: Maarten;544251
(Attachment) 43894[/ATTACH]

While amusing it makes some sense.  Those are actually much nicer looking than the ones I've got for outdoor work.  On the other hand my Sony MDR-NC50's do a reasonable job but certain tools are too much for them.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: feckn_eejit on Tue, 13 March 2012, 18:37:12
Quote from: Maarten;544251
Im not a headphone guy.... im one of those iem dudes ;) Shure SE530`s on a Meier audio Corda 2 move as DAC and/or amp and when i want to be even more isolated from my environment ill put one of these over my iems;
*snip*
No, don't laugh.... i know it looks silly but it just gives me such a nice listening experience.....
Interesting idea!  Might to try that with my UE 10vi despite the fact that I'd feel like a complete berk walking around with ear protectors on and little wires coming out of them...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: verbel on Wed, 14 March 2012, 07:35:41
Is there such a thing as decent wireless headphones? I currently use a set of sennheiser hd 555's and I really like them. I would really like to have something of the same quality that is wireless.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 14 March 2012, 09:48:16
sennheiser has some good wirless aparently
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: J-P on Wed, 14 March 2012, 11:15:33
[ATTACH=CONFIG]44072[/ATTACH] I can recommend these cans. Beyerdynamic DT1350's - I have yet to hear any wireless headphones that I'd recommend, though the AKG HEARO 999 Audiosphere II (http://www.akg.com/site/products/powerslave,id,247,pid,247,nodeid,2,_language,EN.html)'s are touted as the bestest (and currently discontinued).... drool
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 21 March 2012, 05:43:56
Today I received a Sieveking Omega with Zebrano finish as my headphone stand and it's just amazing.

I got myself a pair of Beyerdynamic DT 990 Edition (250ohm) and a Nuforce Icon HDP for computer use. Was lucky enough to find the HDP for 320€ while the normal price here is like 450€ and more.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 21 March 2012, 05:53:33
I've bought a pair of Beyerdynamic DT990 Edition Headphones (250ohm) and a Nuforce Icon HDP. It should arrive this week or next. I found a really nice deal for the Nuforce Icon HDP paying for it the same price as USA MSRP price while here the standarad price is like 600 USD. I'm quite excited, I know it's not the best gear around here but I think it will suit my needs.

Also today I received a Sieveking Omega with Zembrano finish. Nice German made headphone stand, it's amazing.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Wed, 21 March 2012, 06:03:57
Quote from: guilleguillaume;552282
I've bought a pair of Beyerdynamic DT990 Edition Headphones (250ohm) and a Nuforce Icon HDP. It should arrive this week or next. I found a really nice deal for the Nuforce Icon HDP paying for it the same price as USA MSRP price while here the standarad price is like 600 USD. I'm quite excited, I know it's not the best gear around here but I think it will suit my needs.

Also today I received a Sieveking Omega with Zembrano finish. Nice German made headphone stand, it's amazing.

Aren't those stands upwards of $100?

Last night I bought my AKG K240's
I can't wait to get them, after I get back from my holiday.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 21 March 2012, 06:29:28
Quote from: PixelVandalism;552286
Aren't those stands upwards of $100?

Last night I bought my AKG K240's
I can't wait to get them, after I get back from my holiday.

I sold some old spare hardware items then I purchased it for 99€.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Wed, 21 March 2012, 06:39:14
Quote from: guilleguillaume;552297
I sold some old spare hardware items then I purchased it for 99€.

That's a fair bit of money.
I love the aesthetics of the HDP, I'm probably going to get a uDAC-2 for the looks, among other reasons.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 21 March 2012, 08:17:42
Im still on the search for a nice wide  brim headphone stand for the LCDs
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 21 March 2012, 09:36:27
Here is a picture:

(http://i.imgur.com/Y3nB9.jpg)

At home they're quite happy because I didn't spend the money in keyboards :party:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Wed, 21 March 2012, 10:22:31
Quote from: guilleguillaume;552406
Here is a picture:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Y3nB9.jpg)


At home they're quite happy because I didn't spend the money in keyboards :party:

How do you like the HD25s? Is the addias version based off the HD25 or the lower-bracket version? I'm thinking about getting some new closed-back cans that I can use at work (I don't think my coworkers want to hear what I listen to through the outside of my Grados :P)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ekw808 on Wed, 21 March 2012, 14:10:26
The headphones I use daily with my computer are HD555's modded, and I have been using a pair of Monster pro gold turbines for my ipod, but I recently RMA'd those and they said that model was currently not in stock so I opted for the miles davis trumpets instead. Pretty stoked about seeing what the difference is between the gold and the trumpets are =).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Maarten on Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:23:58
Quote from: feckn_eejit;545027
Interesting idea!  Might to try that with my UE 10vi despite the fact that I'd feel like a complete berk walking around with ear protectors on and little wires coming out of them...


Oh just do it! Peltor now also makes the Optime III in neck-version;

[ATTACH=CONFIG]45196[/ATTACH]

Still looks geeky, but not as geeky as the full over-your-head version :clap2:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Mon, 26 March 2012, 10:57:36
Quote from: sth;552444
How do you like the HD25s? Is the addias version based off the HD25 or the lower-bracket version? I'm thinking about getting some new closed-back cans that I can use at work (I don't think my coworkers want to hear what I listen to through the outside of my Grados :P)

I actually like them for electronic music and some rock and I've been palying with them a lot of months for now but after trying my new Beyerdynamic DT990 Edition I can say that they're not the best for all kind of enviroment. I will be using them while attending LAN parties because being closed headphones and as portable headset because they have short cable. By the way they improved with the Nuforce Icon HDP quite a bit and the soundstage appeared to be way better than before.The thing is that they sound like everything is too close to you and the bass sounds very strong but not disturbing.

Pics of the new Beyerdynamic and the PC setup:

(http://i.imgur.com/uCV1y.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/MPNIp.jpg)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Mon, 26 March 2012, 14:03:54
(http://img.tapatalk.com/4b087b6e-bcf4-e977.jpg)

Just re-cabled my Grado SR-80i's... Second time soldering and it was pretty sloppy work but they still sound good. Probably need something other than an Altoid box C-Moy for an amp...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 March 2012, 14:08:31
Nice! Where'd you get the yellow pads?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: roaduck on Mon, 26 March 2012, 14:44:51
I don't listen on headphones much but when I do I use two discrete systems.

As my Sugden A21a and VTL Ultimate valve preamplifier have no headphone sockets I have a Musical Fidelity X-Cans class "A" valve headphone amplifier going to a pair of Sennheiser HD 600's.For the PC I have a separate headphone amp, a QED MB45 powering Sennheiser HD 250's.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Mon, 26 March 2012, 15:08:51
Quote from: sth;557449
Nice! Where'd you get the yellow pads?

They're Sennheiser 414 pads.

http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Cushions-Sennheiser-SRI-Series-headphones/dp/B002B4OEZ0 (http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Cushions-Sennheiser-SRI-Series-headphones/dp/B002B4OEZ0)

Just caught this ebay auction lookin up a link, they come quarter moddded and in a multitude of colors:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TANGERINE-Sennheiser-HD414-Pads-Grado-Alessandro-replacement-SR60-SR80-SR325-RS1-/120884472201?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item1c2546a989#ht_500wt_1361 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TANGERINE-Sennheiser-HD414-Pads-Grado-Alessandro-replacement-SR60-SR80-SR325-RS1-/120884472201?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item1c2546a989#ht_500wt_1361)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Tue, 27 March 2012, 08:38:27
I have an AKG K550 incoming. I haven't really liked any AKG since K501, so this ought to be interesting. I want a cheap sealed can on my desk for those noisy times of the day.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jonnybastard on Sat, 31 March 2012, 08:14:52
Bought an external DAC during the week, decided on a Cambridge DacMagic Plus as it was one of the few that has all the features I was looking for and didn't cost upwards of 1k.  Previously I was using an ASUS Xonar HDAV Deluxe sound card which was reputed to have a pretty decent DAC on it already, so I was a bit hesitant going in but all that doubt went out the window after about 5 minutes of listening, daaaaaamn this thing is nice, everything just sounds so much cleaner with a lot more detail, very happy with the purchase.  
Also picked up a pair of Beyer DT770pro's a couple of weeks back as a fun pair of cans for doof doof etc, I love my DT880's but being fairly neutral they can be a bit boring for real high impact music, the 770's are the complete opposite haha they pack so much bass, the high's are a little harsh for metal but I love them for electronica and hiphop etc.

Pic of new setup, PC  ->  DacMagic+  ->  Matrix M-Stage  ->  Beyerdynamics DT880 & DT770pro's.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7279/6885710120_7f24927806_o.jpg)

One of my favorite features which didn't seem to be present on a lot of other DAC's I looked at was that it has a digital out pass through, which I run to my Yamaha receiver for when I'm using my real speakers, which is most of the time.  That meant I was able to ditch the sound card from my PC altogether which neatened it up a wee bit more as the ASUS card required an ugly molex cable that I was unable to hide :p  Could have just used the onboard optical/coax on my motherboard for the digital out but that would mean changing the audio output in windows each time that I swap between cans or speakers, a pretty minor thing but it's way more convenient the way I've got it setup now.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mackem on Sun, 01 April 2012, 20:14:42
Any ideas for a cheap amp/DAC for the DT770 Pro 80s?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on Sun, 01 April 2012, 20:34:13
Quote from: PixelVandalism;544241
My friend has some Koss portapros,
and I can not wear them,
they sound good, but they just fall off my head..
The cheapest I can find the sr80's in Australia is $140,
and that's putting me over budget with an amp.

Edit*
I don't think I will, one of my friends might though,
Not sure yet, thanks for the offer.
In order to really benefit from having an amp you need to be spending in a certain bracket. $140 is maybe up there for you but in audiophile dollars it's barely entry level. The SR80's are a great headphone by themselves, my advice is get them and screw the amp for the time being.
Quote from: PixelVandalism;552304
That's a fair bit of money.
I love the aesthetics of the HDP, I'm probably going to get a uDAC-2 for the looks, among other reasons.
For the money a uDAC is going to cost, you can really do a lot better. The technology the uDAC is built on is fairly old, and depending on where you ask NuForce have a reputation among audiophiles for being overpriced and mediocre. Yes, they look like military hardware, but if looks were the most important consideration when buying audio gear we'd all be rocking Skull Candy or V-Moda.
Quote from: PixelVandalism;552286
Aren't those stands upwards of $100?
I saw a Sieve on display in a home audio store near where I live. It's nice to look at, and on first inspection I thought it had come from Ikea; I was gobsmacked to turn it over and see the $175 price tag. For $30 or even $50 I might have gone for it, but $175? That's a rip-off. The wood grain and build quality are both good, but not outstanding. A quick search of Etsy yielded a much more compelling design – for $28:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/67310735/vinyl-record-headphone-stand

Whatever the build quality is like, the least I can say for the vinyl stand is that each one is a unique piece, not some mass-produced factory made commodity.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Tue, 03 April 2012, 07:33:30
Quote from: jonnybastard;562461

Pic of new setup, PC  ->  DacMagic+  ->  Matrix M-Stage  ->  Beyerdynamics DT880 & DT770pro's.


Glad to see another M-Stage user. I received mine a week ago and love it. Pairing it with a gamma1 lite (until my HRT Streamer ii arrives) and a pair of DT770 pros. Did the gain dip switches confuse you first time around? lol
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: hamza_tm on Wed, 04 April 2012, 20:19:44
Sennheiser PC360s through an Auzentech Forte :)

Went through CAL!'s, Samson SR850, DT770, DT880 premiums to finally get here!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jonnybastard on Wed, 04 April 2012, 20:33:26
Quote from: kidchunks;565528
Did the gain dip switches confuse you first time around? lol


You mean by reading them backwards? Maybe.. :p  Such a bargain amp hey, I was set on buying a Talisman T-33h when I walked in the shop but walked out with a Matrix that was $500 cheaper lol, my ears seriously struggled to find much difference between them.

Quote from: Mackem;563970
Any ideas for a cheap amp/DAC for the DT770 Pro 80s?


The Matrix Cube seems to be reasonably well regarded as a cheap all-in-one, they've also just released an updated version of the M-Stage with a built in usb DAC that might be worth looking into, being that it's priced only ~$50 more than the regular amp version I wouldn't expect anything magical as far as the DAC goes but at least you would then have a decent amp and can look at upgrading your DAC down the track if it doesn't suit your needs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: augusto2112 on Thu, 05 April 2012, 11:19:11
Never heard about DAC/amps before, and just googled them. Should I bother buying one? Do they improve the sound quality by much?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Thu, 05 April 2012, 11:25:05
Quote from: augusto2112;567737
Never heard about DAC/amps before, and just googled them. Should I bother buying one? Do they improve the sound quality by much?
No people just spend thousands of dollars on them because when you lick them they taste like sour patch kids.

Srsly, of course they improve sound quality, by leaps and bounds. As with anything there are diminishing returns. If you're not willing to invest at least a couple hundred dollars, buy some HD280s or Grado SR 80i cans and skip the amp.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: augusto2112 on Thu, 05 April 2012, 12:34:25
Quote from: sth;567749
No people just spend thousands of dollars on them because when you lick them they taste like sour patch kids.

Srsly, of course they improve sound quality, by leaps and bounds. As with anything there are diminishing returns. If you're not willing to invest at least a couple hundred dollars, buy some HD280s or Grado SR 80i cans and skip the amp.

I have a DT770 Pro already. The question was if they improved sound quality significantly or just by a bit... Judging by your comment they help a lot right? I'll see if I find a cheap one for me.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 05 April 2012, 13:02:25
Like he said, cheap DACs aren't worth it. If you're looking for recommendations, I will go ahead and recommend the Bifrost by Schiit.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Thu, 05 April 2012, 13:13:10
Quote from: augusto2112;567844
I'll see if I find a cheap one for me.

You can check out JDS Labs (http://www.jdslabs.com/) for the cmoybb. John is pretty cool and he'll answer any questions you have. You tell him what headphones you're using and he'll build the amp to specification.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: augusto2112 on Thu, 05 April 2012, 13:18:18
Quote from: Ragnorock;567879
Like he said, cheap DACs aren't worth it. If you're looking for recommendations, I will go ahead and recommend the Bifrost by Schiit.

Looked it up, and I guess I'll have to do without DACs for a while...

PS: nice signature :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Thu, 05 April 2012, 13:23:35
Quote from: Ragnorock;567879
Like he said, cheap DACs aren't worth it. If you're looking for recommendations, I will go ahead and recommend the Bifrost by Schiit.

Do you have any for/against opionion on the Valhalla? I'm really not interested in going down the high-end loudspeaker route and it's a full $100 cheaper than the bifrost DAC.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Thu, 05 April 2012, 17:03:26
I got one of those Altoids C-Moy amps from an eBay seller about a year ago. I guess I'm supposed to be using a DAC on my pc though? Using it to power 80i's...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 05 April 2012, 17:22:19
the amb gamma1 kit is probably the best cheap usb dac. the aliendac and its clones are not bad either
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Thu, 05 April 2012, 17:30:47
So the point of a DAC is better (curious how?) conversion of digital signal vs something like the Wasapi plugin w/ CMOY amp?

I guess DAC is like an external sound card just for the headphones?

congrats on 1k post mkawa
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 06 April 2012, 00:19:01
Digital to analog conversion is not 100% accurate. The way they reconstruct the analog signal can color sound. Most thing already have DAC in it already. Even the cheapest soundcard has a DAC, since you can just plug your headphones with analog connections right up to it. WASAPI is still in the digital domain. All it does is bypass alot of the audio stack to reduce latency, and less things messing with the still digital signal. DAC only affect the digital to analog part, then sends the signal to be amplified (pre-amp), then on to power amp, which could be internal or connected externally via transports.
DAC COULD be a soundcard. Like those USB connected one that actually do act like a soundcard. However DAC is not necessarily a soundcard, like those you connect via toslink, which still require a soundcard present. You could connect your DVD or SACD player, for example, directly to the toslink of the DAC to bypass the digital analog conversion inside the player. Even home appliances doesn't always have the best DAC implementation. DAC is one of those things that isn't too easy to hear the difference. It is mainly small detail and the way it color (or not color) the sound. Law of deminishing return hits pretty fast. Though, I do remember the days we had to spent $1-2k+ on a good DAC that sound as good as today's $3-500 DACs.

PS, I purposely left out the physicals like design, construction and components or the software part like sampling rate of the DAC. Those certainly influence how the DAC sounds. There is a lot of audiophile voodoo here. Read as much into them as you want to.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 06 April 2012, 00:59:31
Quote from: laffindude;568501

PS, I purposely left out the physicals like design, construction and components or the software part like sampling rate of the DAC. Those certainly influence how the DAC sounds. There is a lot of audiophile voodoo here. Read as much into them as you want to.

Not sure if id call this voodoo as much as just better engineering to handle noise and higher bitrate files.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 06 April 2012, 01:12:20
Sure if you're talking about the tangibles.
Better engineered parts don't always sound better.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Hoff on Sat, 07 April 2012, 06:17:45
Hello,

I am looking to buy the Sennheiser PC 360's and was wondering whether anyone had a smililar issue.

I have just bought a Mechanical Keyboard (Flico Mastertouch 2) with Brown switches. These aren't the quitest keyboards in the world as most of you know and sets off the voice activation for me in Mumble or TS a lot of the time, which isn't great for peole i am playing with.

With these more expensive headsets will this problem be errased?

Thanks,

Hoff.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Sat, 07 April 2012, 08:19:43
Finally received my hrt streamer ii.

Semi portable setup now consist of a m-stage, external usb, dac and headphones..LOL

Definitely a step up from my gamma1 lite. Not sure if I want to keep it though. The clicks and pops are present even with a powered hub. Even did the firmware update. May try some different USB cables.

Shame, cause I'm really digging the sound. :(

May have to jump on a bitfrost if I can't get these pop and click issues resolved.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on Sat, 07 April 2012, 13:26:10
Quote from: augusto2112;567737
Never heard about DAC/amps before, and just googled them. Should I bother buying one? Do they improve the sound quality by much?
That depends on what your current setup is like. What kind of headphones do you own, what are they connected to and how are they connected? If it's a computer or MP3 player, what's the bitrate of the audio you're listening to?

A DAC and an amp perform 2 different tasks, although these are often combined within the same product; a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) functions much like your computer's sound card, while an amplifier provides additional power to your headphones. Most/all headphones will benefit from a better source (i.e. DAC), while not all benefit in the same way – or to the same degree – from amplification. You don't need to spend thousands of dollars on a DAC/amp to get great results, however as a general rule if your headphones are audiophile grade ($500+), you can reasonably expect to spend at least as much money again on a DAC/amp.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: LuvULongTime on Sat, 07 April 2012, 16:21:11
I A/B'd a bifrost against a Titanium HD.  They sounded the same so the bifrost went back.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: lorem3k on Sat, 07 April 2012, 19:41:29
Quote from: mkawa;568136
the amb gamma1 kit is probably the best cheap usb dac. the aliendac and its clones are not bad either
If you can spare the $300 and aren't into DIY, the Matrix Mini-i is a great entry-level DAC. It has a really great level of detail and a nice warm sound, and it can handle up to 24/192 (only 16/48 over USB though). The amp section is pretty decent as well, nothing to write home about though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Sun, 08 April 2012, 18:44:33
Quote from: LuvULongTime;570074
I A/B'd a bifrost against a Titanium HD.  They sounded the same so the bifrost went back.

Did you let the bifrost burn in? Also, what head phones did you use for your testing?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 13 April 2012, 13:54:11
/not a believer of burning in of solid state electronics.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 13 April 2012, 14:45:30
So would it be noticeably beneficial to have a DAC (sound card/ usb interface) for sound and then a cmoy for power? This question is specific to Grado Sr-80i's with altoid cmoy on a PC. Sorry if that is kind of general.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: lorem3k on Fri, 13 April 2012, 18:48:08
Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;574776
So would it be noticeably beneficial to have a DAC (sound card/ usb interface) for sound and then a cmoy for power? This question is specific to Grado Sr-80i's with altoid cmoy on a PC. Sorry if that is kind of general.
With an SR80i, I think the money would be better spent upgrading your headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 13 April 2012, 20:06:33
on the contrary i think sr80s are good stuff. they're pretty sensitive so they don't need a whole lot of fancy amplifier. the weakest link in an onboard PC audio -> sr80 chain is the onboard audio. i would consider a cheap outboard USB dac.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Fri, 13 April 2012, 20:26:02
I get my K240's on Monday :whoo:
There are so many amps and dacs to choose from though :pout:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: LuvULongTime on Tue, 17 April 2012, 11:52:29
Quote from: kidchunks;570946
Did you let the bifrost burn in? Also, what head phones did you use for your testing?


36-40 hours, HD800s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Wed, 18 April 2012, 07:44:08
What do you guys think of the Little Dot MKII?
I would be using it with a DAC like the Alien or Bantom.
I don't know what DAC I want to get yet though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 18 April 2012, 08:43:06
Do you have time to warm your tubes? I hardly ever listen to my tubies because I'll want to warm them up for 2-30 minutes before I listen. It just doesn't fit in with how I listen now.
What version of K240 (and other headphones) are you gonna run?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Parak on Wed, 18 April 2012, 08:45:41
Quote from: PixelVandalism;577778
I don't know what DAC I want to get yet though.

If you're not in a rush, I'd suggest waiting for the nwavguy odac.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Wed, 18 April 2012, 08:45:47
Quote from: laffindude;577810
Do you have time to warm your tubes? I hardly ever listen to my tubies because I'll want to warm them up for 2-30 minutes before I listen. It just doesn't fit in with how I listen now.
What version of K240 (and other headphones) are you gonna run?

I have time to warm them, I'm running the studio version.
I also plan on using it as a pre-amp for some kind of speaker setup.

Do you have any idea of what the price of the odac will be?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Parak on Wed, 18 April 2012, 09:11:06
Quote from: PixelVandalism;577814
Do you have any idea of what the price of the odac will be?

The assembled PCB is available for preorder for $100 from JDS Labs, expect to pay more for one inside an enclosure. They will also sell an assembled O2 with the ODAC in it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: emptyk on Wed, 18 April 2012, 09:13:04
Quote from: mkawa;575022
on the contrary i think sr80s are good stuff. they're pretty sensitive so they don't need a whole lot of fancy amplifier. the weakest link in an onboard PC audio -> sr80 chain is the onboard audio. i would consider a cheap outboard USB dac.

+1 for sure.

JesuswasaZombie:  Get a Fiio E10 (something like $75.00 on Amazon).  You'll hear an improvement for sure.  Come back here and let me know how it sounds.  I am thinking about getting one to use with my laptop.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 18 April 2012, 09:15:46
MKII is a OTL amp though. Those are usually better with higher impedance phones. K240 isn't an efficient phone, but there should still have enough oomph, unless you want ear-splittingly loud gain. Lower sensitivity is probably good, to raise it from the noise floor. Sky is blue, sun is bright, and tube amps have hiss. Such is life :)
I only got to play with a MKIV, and they sounded excellent with a DT880 2003. Probably a little too warm on the newer DT880/600.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Wed, 18 April 2012, 18:03:41
Quote from: emptyk;577848
+1 for sure.

JesuswasaZombie:  Get a Fiio E10 (something like $75.00 on Amazon).  You'll hear an improvement for sure.  Come back here and let me know how it sounds.  I am thinking about getting one to use with my laptop.

I'll check it out, thanks.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Thu, 19 April 2012, 01:10:00
Quote from: laffindude;577851
MKII is a OTL amp though. Those are usually better with higher impedance phones. K240 isn't an efficient phone, but there should still have enough oomph, unless you want ear-splittingly loud gain. Lower sensitivity is probably good, to raise it from the noise floor. Sky is blue, sun is bright, and tube amps have hiss. Such is life :)
I only got to play with a MKIV, and they sounded excellent with a DT880 2003. Probably a little too warm on the newer DT880/600.

What would be better at the $150 ish (including shipping to australia) for my phones, and as a pre amp for a later system?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 19 April 2012, 05:52:32
Better is a vague term. Most solid state amps should give you more power at lower ohm load. However, whether or not you need the extra gain, I don't know. Probably not. You should head to a few stores with your K240 and audition a few amps to find what suit your taste the most. I think you'll find the differences between amps is hugely overblown.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Thu, 19 April 2012, 06:08:08
Quote from: laffindude;578683
Better is a vague term. Most solid state amps should give you more power at lower ohm load. However, whether or not you need the extra gain, I don't know. Probably not. You should head to a few stores with your K240 and audition a few amps to find what suit your taste the most. I think you'll find the differences between amps is hugely overblown.


I don't know of any audio stores that sell head-amps.
I love how tubes look, that it really why I am looking at them.
Would the Little Dot MK1+ be better for me?
Or something like the http://www.china-hifi-audio.com/xiangsheng-dac01a-dac-decodersheadphone-amplifier-black-p-502.html?zenid=qkrfinifpcn61lpqt76ocghe47 or http://www.china-hifi-audio.com/qinpu-a3-a3-hifi-vacuum-tube-integrated-amplifier-chpo-p-162.html?zenid=qkrfinifpcn61lpqt76ocghe47 ?
The problem with those is how much they would be in Australia, as I haven't really looked.
I've "auditioned" a FiiO E7, and it doesn't sound, powerful? enough to drive the cans? compared to a NAD 3220PE that is at my house.

I'll see what if I can find some stores on the weekend, but I highly doubt it.

*edit* I just realised that the MK1+ only has RCA in.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 19 April 2012, 06:54:52
MKI+ has more powerful amp at low impedance (200mW@32ohm vs 100mW@32ohm). It certainly doesn't look as cool and concessions had to be made for being a portable amp.

Not sure how much you can pick up a FUBAR IV (or plus version) for. Those actually don't sound half bad for the price. I saw them on 50% off, but I don't know how much it'll be shipped to you or are there taxes involved.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Thu, 19 April 2012, 07:32:17
Quote from: laffindude;578700
MKI+ has more powerful amp at low impedance (200mW@32ohm vs 100mW@32ohm). It certainly doesn't look as cool and concessions had to be made for being a portable amp.

Not sure how much you can pick up a FUBAR IV (or plus version) for. Those actually don't sound half bad for the price. I saw them on 50% off, but I don't know how much it'll be shipped to you or are there taxes involved.

Shipping something like that from the US, would probably be about $40?
We don't get import taxes on international packages.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 27 April 2012, 03:26:44
Hmm T90. If it has the same bass as the DT990 but less treble, I am buying one. T70 is a huge improvement over DT770, I wonder how big of a change it'll be since 990 is very good already (aside from the treble).
Another on the current shopping list is Philips Fidelio L1. I was gonna get this for my basshead can, but I am gonna wait and compare to T90.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Namkung on Fri, 27 April 2012, 16:14:24
loving my hd650 + little dot dac i + mk iv se set up. :music:
saving for hd800 + WA2 +_+
i would strongly recommend little dot's products to anyone if you are in the market for OTL tube amps .
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Mackem on Fri, 27 April 2012, 16:19:02
Finally took the plunge on the DT 770 Pros 80Ω. I did try and order them a while back but they've been backordered on a few sites. Anyone else use these?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 27 April 2012, 23:13:13
Quote from: Namkung;584163
saving for hd800 + WA2 +_+


Listen before you buy. While technically good, I just can't listen to them. Treble will be a huge culture shock for a HD650 owner.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Sun, 29 April 2012, 16:47:21
After poking around nwavguy's blog, I think I'm going to try and flip my bellari vp530 and pickup the O2 with the ODAC from JDSlabs... I love his transparent anti snake oil breakdowns of products and I think after seeing benchmarks of the FiiO dacs etc I can't really go wrong on his price point.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: prava on Sun, 29 April 2012, 16:59:13
Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;585792
After poking around nwavguy's blog, I think I'm going to try and flip my bellari vp530 and pickup the O2 with the ODAC from JDSlabs... I love his transparent anti snake oil breakdowns of products and I think after seeing benchmarks of the FiiO dacs etc I can't really go wrong on his price point.

I'd wait until the release the full desktop product (the ODA), as it will have a better layout and better connectivity. For instance, with the O2+ODAC you have the power plug on the front, and only 3.5mm jacks available. With the fully blown product we will have big ass jacks and more connectivity...unless you want the portability the O2 offers, of course ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Sun, 29 April 2012, 17:22:50
Oh, that's what I meant, I'm getting confused between all these Oproduct names >_<

The last ODA post I saw was from 2011, when is the projected release?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: SmallFry on Sun, 29 April 2012, 17:46:35
I just got a pair of Bose OE2's to replace my Dr. Dre Beats... I do NOT recommend the Beats... The drivers crapped out in a few weeks of using them. The Bose ones are much nicer in my opinion.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Sun, 29 April 2012, 18:25:40
Aw, SmallFry... do you have the ability to return them? :happy:

Some people really prefer Bose, and I don't want to sound like an audiophile snob, but I am personally not a fan of the sound (especially at the price you pay for the name).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: SmallFry on Sun, 29 April 2012, 21:11:12
They are certainly better than my Dr. Dre Beats. (They are a Christmas gift from my parents) I will continue to use the Bose ones... I like them. :smile: Thanks for your AUDIOPHILE SNOBBINESS though... Just kidding! Thanks for your comments, if I have any problems, I'm sure I'll remember this post.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Sun, 29 April 2012, 21:17:42
Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;585829
The last ODA post I saw was from 2011, when is the projected release?

The goal was get the ODAC out as he felt that was a necessary component of the ODA and he felt that it'd be handy as a standalone too or something along those lines.  ODA should be back on the front burner at this point and I'm hoping for Xmas.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: kidchunks on Mon, 30 April 2012, 09:59:34
Sad day, think my m-stage is damaged. Right channel is lower than the left. Had to manually adjust the left and right channels to get a balance. Going to see if I can get a friend to repair it. I was liking the HRTSII/M-Stage combo too. =\

Anyone try the Yulong D100 MKII? Heard they've made some minor tweaks and it's only $10 more than the original ($440) from tamaudio.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 30 April 2012, 14:33:21
Quote from: Namkung;584163
loving my hd650 + little dot dac i + mk iv se set up. :music:
saving for hd800 + WA2 +_+
i would strongly recommend little dot's products to anyone if you are in the market for OTL tube amps .
I completely misread the model you were looking at whoops
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Mon, 30 April 2012, 14:40:13
The WA 2 is just as suited for the HD800s as the 6SE, in fact some would say its even better. The design of the WA2 caters to high impedance cans, which is what the HD800s are. The numbering system Woo has isn't logical. The 2 isn't at the low end of the spectrum, its actually $40 more than the 6SE. The key difference is that it is about the nicest OTL amp most people are willing to buy.

But yeah a WA6 will work just fine with HD 800s, just be sure to get the Sophia 274b or it won't do them justice.

http://wooaudio.com/products/wa2.html

From Jack Woo himself: (The question being which is better for K701s)

Hello David,

Thank you for your interests.

You are correct the 6SE offers much power to spare which is desirable for
harder-to-drive headphones such as the AKG's. It is up to your personal
sound preference to choose either the WA2 or the 6SE. If you look for tight
control, great dynamic control, speed, and attack, the WA6-SE is the best
choice. If you like a warmer, relaxed, smooth sound, the WA2 will work
better.

Please let me know if you have further question.

Best regards,
Jack
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Mon, 30 April 2012, 14:52:36
Wow, I had no idea there were bottle heads lurking in here.  I'm not a huge headphone guy, but I have tried a few OTL projects on headwize.  Since my headphones are all 32-ohm, the performance hasn't been great.  I recently picked up a set of small OPTs from Edcor to build a proper headphone amp.  That project is stuck in the cue behind a few other fire bottle projects, though.

If you like to tinker, there are some good projects out there.  Pete Millett has a nice turn-key PCB-based one now that uses cheap compactrons.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 30 April 2012, 14:58:05
Quote from: Ragnorock;586548
The WA 2 is just as suited for the HD800s as the 6SE, in fact some would say its even better. The design of the WA2 caters to high impedance cans, which is what the HD800s are. The numbering system Woo has isn't logical. The 2 isn't at the low end of the spectrum, its actually $40 more than the 6SE. The key difference is that it is about the nicest OTL amp most people are willing to buy.

But yeah a WA6 will work just fine with HD 800s, just be sure to get the Sophia 274b or it won't do them justice.

http://wooaudio.com/products/wa2.html

From Jack Woo himself: (The question being which is better for K701s)

Hello David,

Thank you for your interests.

You are correct the 6SE offers much power to spare which is desirable for
harder-to-drive headphones such as the AKG's. It is up to your personal
sound preference to choose either the WA2 or the 6SE. If you look for tight
control, great dynamic control, speed, and attack, the WA6-SE is the best
choice. If you like a warmer, relaxed, smooth sound, the WA2 will work
better.

Please let me know if you have further question.

Best regards,
Jack
Nice!

I actually misread I read WA3 instead of WA2 :rofl:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Namkung on Mon, 30 April 2012, 17:30:59
^
WA2 vs 6-SE is no brainer for me personally as I NEED a preamp for my stereo system.

i love my current setup but the 650s arent the best when it comes to the stuff i listen to (mostly classical / sopranos) T__T
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: prava on Mon, 30 April 2012, 21:18:13
For classical, IMO, the K701 beat the crap out of the HD650 (I have both). The mids and higs are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good the HD650 will feel ashamed of themselves. The only problem I have with the K701 is that they are not a "balanced" headphone, as they are bass-lacking....but classical music has never need any sort of bass so for that purpose I wouldn't hesitate.

You see, If you like all sorts of music the HD650 is a good pairing (contrary to the K701, which are very specific. Listening to electronic music or any music that relies on bass on those AKG will make you almost cry), but if you know exactly the music you will be listening to, K701 is an awesome can. Just remember you need a proper amp to drive them as they require tons of voltage (with a low output impedance to not many amps can deliver).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Namkung on Mon, 30 April 2012, 21:43:25
^ mm.. i listened to hd600s and to be honest, i felt that even they were better than the 650s for classical .
i figure i might as well upgrade big time and go for the hd800s . i have not had the chance to listen to them yet and I will make sure to listen to it before making the purchase obviously but from what I have read, they are pretty good for classical. + i don't exclusively listen to classical haha. I do want to try out the k701s though. i think those look awesome
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 01 May 2012, 00:00:40
Quote from: prava;586916
For classical, IMO, the K701 beat the crap out of the HD650 (I have both). The mids and higs are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good the HD650 will feel ashamed of themselves. The only problem I have with the K701 is that they are not a "balanced" headphone, as they are bass-lacking....but classical music has never need any sort of bass so for that purpose I wouldn't hesitate.

You see, If you like all sorts of music the HD650 is a good pairing (contrary to the K701, which are very specific. Listening to electronic music or any music that relies on bass on those AKG will make you almost cry), but if you know exactly the music you will be listening to, K701 is an awesome can. Just remember you need a proper amp to drive them as they require tons of voltage (with a low output impedance to not many amps can deliver).
Okay, so you probably haven't listened to K701s with proper amping. The bass REALLY suffers without it, and without a proper amp I can definitely agree they are light on bass. However, when properly amped, they are very balanced. There is plenty of bass, and I listen to A LOT of dubstep/techno. They do really shine with classical the most, but the do make me cry when listening to Obsidia FLACs... out of JOY.

For the record, I'm using AKG K701s with a WA6SE with tung sol 6SN7s and an EML 5U4G/Sophia Princess 274b for rectifiers... as well as various other driver tubes. I have some K271 MKIIs both amped and unamped, and the 701s when amped have the most bass, over the closed back 271s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Tue, 01 May 2012, 00:53:26
K701 doesn't agree with my ears. The shrieky upper midrange/lower treble is what does it in for me. No coherent center stage is another booboo. The BIGGEST negative against it is you need to play them loud to sound good. They're absolutely anemic at lower volume*. This was a few years ago when I still had my Headroom DAC/amp combo. I did hear that the newer drivers have more bass, so I may need to try the new ones.

*My preferred levels is probably much lower than average. I can't get my K550 playing quietly enough on one of my weaker amps without running into channel imbalance. At this lower volume, it really highlight how much headphones, even a highly efficient one, benefit from amps. Plugged directly into the computer, and the subbass is flabby and lacks punch.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: prava on Tue, 01 May 2012, 15:09:47
Quote from: Ragnorock;587034
Okay, so you probably haven't listened to K701s with proper amping. The bass REALLY suffers without it, and without a proper amp I can definitely agree they are light on bass. However, when properly amped, they are very balanced. There is plenty of bass, and I listen to A LOT of dubstep/techno. They do really shine with classical the most, but the do make me cry when listening to Obsidia FLACs... out of JOY.

For the record, I'm using AKG K701s with a WA6SE with tung sol 6SN7s and an EML 5U4G/Sophia Princess 274b for rectifiers... as well as various other driver tubes. I have some K271 MKIIs both amped and unamped, and the 701s when amped have the most bass, over the closed back 271s.

I believe a Matrix M-Stage is more than enough to power the K701, so I don't think they will get any better. With that said, though, it may be because you aren't using transparent amps and, thus, why you get such powerup in the bass section.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Tue, 01 May 2012, 15:49:31
AKGs tend to hurt my head.  Their head band design kind of sucks...like an old pair from the 70s that I had as a kid.  Can you guys really wear them comfortably for hours?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: prava on Wed, 02 May 2012, 08:01:46
Quote from: rknize;587543
AKGs tend to hurt my head.  Their head band design kind of sucks...like an old pair from the 70s that I had as a kid.  Can you guys really wear them comfortably for hours?

You just get used to them. I couldn't wear them for more than 30 minutes at first, but know I don't feel any pain and can wear them for hours no problem.

But yes, at first they first like having your skull drilled...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 02 May 2012, 09:18:08
Quote from: prava;587517
I believe a Matrix M-Stage is more than enough to power the K701, so I don't think they will get any better. With that said, though, it may be because you aren't using transparent amps and, thus, why you get such powerup in the bass section.
I disagree, you're comparing the most entry level ($200) amp considered suitable for the 701s, to a $1050 amp with >$300 in tubes on it at any given point. Yeah tubes may be less analytically pure signal wise than a solid state, but the parts used in the M-Stage aren't exactly stellar and tubes keep it analog.

And I dunno about the headband design, it never hurt my head and I think the design is great.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: prava on Wed, 02 May 2012, 09:26:04
Quote from: Ragnorock;588077
I disagree, you're comparing the most entry level ($200) amp considered suitable for the 701s, to a $1050 amp with >$300 in tubes on it at any given point. Yeah tubes may be less analytically pure signal wise than a solid state, but the parts used in the M-Stage aren't exactly stellar and tubes keep it analog.

And I dunno about the headband design, it never hurt my head and I think the design is great.

Price has nothing to do with quality, as the M-Stage is a literal copy of the well known Lehman Black Cube Linear, that costs almost a grand. Also, tubes keep it analog? lol? Its well known that tubes add stuff to the signal, nothing to do with analog...
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 02 May 2012, 10:01:35
Amp is not going to magically fix the flaws. If his ears don't like K701, no amount of amping will fix that.

It is so easy to fall into the "more expensive = better" trap. Not that I don't think WA6 is a good amp. Then again, I liked the sound of my CEntrance DACmini more than my much more expensive tubie. If tubes are changing the sound so much, is it still hi-fi? ;o
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Wed, 02 May 2012, 11:07:24
Quote from: prava;588085
Price has nothing to do with quality, as the M-Stage is a literal copy of the well known Lehman Black Cube Linear, that costs almost a grand. Also, tubes keep it analog? lol? Its well known that tubes add stuff to the signal, nothing to do with analog...

Tubes add less "stuff" to the signal than any transistor can.  In fact, certain triodes are still the most linear discrete voltage amplification devices that exist.  It's all about circuit topology.  The picture is complicated, but the short story is that transistors have poor linearity but are small (think IC) and cheap.  So you can create nearly-ideal amplification circuits using many transistors using various types of feedback loops and so forth.  How this circuit is designed and how it recovers from overload/etc is where the differences lie.  Some of them are really good.  Many of the amp ICs found in consumer electronics are not so great.  When combined with cheapskate power supplies, they are awful.

Tubes are large and expensive.  You can build a fairly complex tube amp that has nearly perfect linearity using similar techniques as above.  I have built many.  The only sane way to get high power (> 20W) is with a push-pull topology, which will inherently need global negative feedback and some careful design choices.  Sometimes you can use local feedback and get away from global feedback (the enemy of overload recovery).  One amp that I built does this with astonishing ease (and puts out ~100WPC to boot)!

The amps you guys are talking about here are single-ended and probably have no or some local feedback.  You can get away with this using tubes because they are inherently very linear.  SE amps tend to have a dominant second harmonic and low odd harmonics.  The human ear also has a dominant 2nd harmonic, and it is believed that this may be why SE amps have that "warm", pleasant sound to them.  Push-pull amps will tend have dominant odd harmonics and therefore need feedback to quell them.  Odd harmonics sound "harsh".

Anyway, I'll get off my tube soapbox....
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Wed, 02 May 2012, 12:58:16
The bottom line is that you need to go with whatever sounds the best to your ears.  :)  Sorry about the rant...you hit a nerve.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: prava on Wed, 02 May 2012, 14:05:41
Quote from: rknize;588255
The bottom line is that you need to go with whatever sounds the best to your ears.  :)  Sorry about the rant...you hit a nerve.

Only chance to do that is by blind testing, I'm afraid ;)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Wed, 02 May 2012, 15:28:04
Quote from: prava;588291
Only chance to do that is by blind testing, I'm afraid ;)

Well, for very subtle differences, yeah.  But it's pretty easy to hear the difference between a conventional PP amp and an SE one.

Anyway, to get this thread back on topic, I'm currently listening with a pair of cheap Sennheiser HD-428 headphones.  Someone stole my Grados off my desk at work a while back and I bought these from a local electronics store in a pinch.  They are not bad for what I paid.  Honestly, since I listen through my desk PC's mediocre on-board sound, it doesn't matter all that much.  I also listen to a lot of podcasts, like ASoT.  High fidelity MP3 compression artifacts are better heard through medium-fi headphones.  :)

Since the Grados were my only good set, what I have at home is just a pair of inexpensive Sony headphones.  MDR-XD200, or some such.  Again, not great but not bad either.  Perfectly fine for listening through my PC.  If I want to do serious listening, I don't do it with headphones.

Every time I start looking at better headphones, I get lost in a sea of possibilities and prices.  One thing I didn't like about the SR80 was long-term ear comfort.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 02 May 2012, 16:03:32
Quote from: rknize;588148
Tubes add less "stuff" to the signal than any transistor can.  In fact, certain triodes are still the most linear discrete voltage amplification devices that exist.  It's all about circuit topology.  The picture is complicated, but the short story is that transistors have poor linearity but are small (think IC) and cheap.  So you can create nearly-ideal amplification circuits using many transistors using various types of feedback loops and so forth.  How this circuit is designed and how it recovers from overload/etc is where the differences lie.  Some of them are really good.  Many of the amp ICs found in consumer electronics are not so great.  When combined with cheapskate power supplies, they are awful.

Tubes are large and expensive.  You can build a fairly complex tube amp that has nearly perfect linearity using similar techniques as above.  I have built many.  The only sane way to get high power (> 20W) is with a push-pull topology, which will inherently need global negative feedback and some careful design choices.  Sometimes you can use local feedback and get away from global feedback (the enemy of overload recovery).  One amp that I built does this with astonishing ease (and puts out ~100WPC to boot)!

The amps you guys are talking about here are single-ended and probably have no or some local feedback.  You can get away with this using tubes because they are inherently very linear.  SE amps tend to have a dominant second harmonic and low odd harmonics.  The human ear also has a dominant 2nd harmonic, and it is believed that this may be why SE amps have that "warm", pleasant sound to them.  Push-pull amps will tend have dominant odd harmonics and therefore need feedback to quell them.  Odd harmonics sound "harsh".

Anyway, I'll get off my tube soapbox....
I agree with this, and yeah my amp is single ended but coupled with an output transformer to get the juice.

I hear what you guys are saying though. As I haven't tried an M-stage, I can't make a fair comparison. I did do my research when buying this amp though, and I feel like the extra cost was 100% justified over something like a Lyr or an M-Stage. Also, when I say the sound is different when amped, I mean that the AKGs are no longer anemic in the bass section because they have the voltage on tap when asked for. The tubes don't make it sound super warm, or color the reference spec sound you get from the 701s to begin with... they just sound how 701s are supposed to sound.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: J-P on Wed, 02 May 2012, 18:22:45
Have any of you peeps tried the super-cheapo-plastic-fantastic Superlux HD668b? It's shocking how good they are for $30. I mean... old news I think, but I picked up a pair last month, modded them a little (took out filters + opened up the backs) and these things sound GREAT. The only bad point is that there is no isolation... at home though, or where people don't mind hearing them - they are ossum.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: prava on Wed, 02 May 2012, 19:04:57
Quote from: J-P;588520
Have any of you peeps tried the super-cheapo-plastic-fantastic Superlux HD668b? It's shocking how good they are for $30. I mean... old news I think, but I picked up a pair last month, modded them a little (took out filters + opened up the backs) and these things sound GREAT. The only bad point is that there is no isolation... at home though, or where people don't mind hearing them - they are ossum.

Deffinitely not suited for porn when you are not alone at home xd
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 02 May 2012, 20:42:30
Hmmm, so AKG K 272 HD... or DT770 Pro 250?  Any thoughts?


Or perhaps the K 271 MK II ?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 03 May 2012, 01:11:09
My most recent "headphone amp":

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]49751[/ATTACH]

It was originally built by my dad in the '60s.  I completely refurbished and rebuilt it using a new power supply circuit.  Puts out around 60WPC.

This is the amp I spoke about before, using "Schade" feedback:

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That one was designed by Pete Millett, who intended it as a ~17WPC amp using television sweep tubes as the finals.  It is a very conservative design.  With bigger finals and lots more voltage on the plates, 80-100WPC can be reached.

Pete has a rather nice headphone amp project for the adventurous: the Jonokuchi.  It's on my list of things to try.

http://www.pmillett.com/Jonokuchi.htm

Here are my flea-power amps, both are Tubelab designs.  The SSE (8-14WPC, depending which output tubes and triode vs ultralinear):

[ATTACH=CONFIG]49756[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]49757[/ATTACH]

The TSE (2 or 8WPC, depending if you runs 45s or 300Bs).  Setup with 45s, it makes a decent headphone amp, actually.

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]49759[/ATTACH]
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 03 May 2012, 01:49:28
Those are some pretty amps.
I honestly think properly designed modern Class A SS amp sound very good already. I wouldn't trade my tubies for SS amp for my bass, but for headphones? Not so sure.Cheaper not so well designed tube amps are not going to sound better than a SS. Care into designing the circuits and picking components are probably worth more than tube vs SS.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 03 May 2012, 11:19:06
Oh man those are gorgeous. Moar plzz. Are those 300bs getting gassy inside or are they just painted to look like that. The blue glow looks like they might be wearing out.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 03 May 2012, 13:09:17
Quote from: Ragnorock;589105
Oh man those are gorgeous. Moar plzz. Are those 300bs getting gassy inside or are they just painted to look like that. The blue glow looks like they might be wearing out.


Some of these pictures were taken with my old camera, which could not do long exposures worth a crap.  If you look carefully at the 300B mesh plates, the glow in on the glass.  This is a phenomenon known as tube florescence, which occurs because of impurities in the glass envelope.  Electrons that don't make it to the plate will strike the glass and cause the impurities to glow.  You'll usually see this in line with gaps in the plate structure.  In the case of the 300Bs, it's probably due to the meshed plates.  Now if you see blue or purple haze inside the envelope, especially in and around the cage (behind the plate), then you likely have a gassy tube:

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(not my amp, but an extreme case using a 211 transmitter tube)

Some more tube glow for you.  These are the vintage 8417s that came with this amp.  My dad bought them in the early '70s for < $1 each.  

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Here is my ST-70 right after the rebuild some years ago:

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This is a close up of a strange florescences that happens around the screens of SED's EL34s.  It has something to do with the coatings the SED uses on their screens.

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This is Tubelab's SPP.  I was one of George's "beta testers" for his kit, so I tossed it in this lock box.  I use it in my shop:

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Here it is during a bench test.  There were some issues with the design at first:

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More pictures and info here:

http://www.knizefamily.net/russ/category/electronics/tubeaudio/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 03 May 2012, 14:23:18
OK, so this thread has me looking at DACs again.  I guess I'm looking for a ~$300 all-in-one (DAC+amp)?  The Matrix Cube seems to fit the bill well, but it has some shortcomings.  I am somewhat intrigued by the Maverick Tubemagic D1.  It seems like a real hit on head-fi.  Thoughts?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 03 May 2012, 14:27:30
Hmm, considering how well off you seem to be in the amp section, I would just go for a standalone, but I'm not sure what you're planning on using it for. I have my eyes on a Schiit Bifrost though, so much want... but the Matrix is a good DAC too.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 03 May 2012, 14:38:04
Those are all power amps that live in my recroom (or my shop when they are apart).  I don't use headphones with them.  I'm looking for something to put on my (somewhat crowded) desk to serve as a replacement for my sound card outputs.  But you do make a good point.  What DAC are you using?

Oh...and I have to know...do you game through your tube amp?  :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 03 May 2012, 14:52:33
At the moment I don't have a DAC, just the ****ty onboard DAC in either my MBP or my gaming tower, but yeah, I have used it to game on before. The problem is that when I use it on the gaming rig, the mobo has so much signal noise that when I run it through the amp I get a noticeable hum, so I usually bypass the amp and just deal with it. When gaming on my laptop though, it does sound pretty sweet... its mostly the headphones, but so many times have I turned around thinking that noise was in the room... and it wasn't.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 03 May 2012, 15:04:00
The hum is probably a ground loop, since both the computer case and the amp are earthed.  Are they both plugged into the same wall outlet/power strip?  Have you tried clamping a wire between your PC and your amp chassis?  There is a little trick you can do to the safety ground of your amp to break the ground loop, if you are adventurous.  :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 03 May 2012, 15:27:33
That's a good point, and I will try that. I assume you mean that is the trick? I'm an enthusiast, not an engineer lol.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 03 May 2012, 15:35:08
No, the trick involved busting the thing open and doing a bit of soldering.  :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 03 May 2012, 15:58:30
Been there, had to modify the metal plate everything was mounted to as it had bowed down and the tube sockets were angled such that I couldn't fit some of my fatter tubes without the glass touching the side of the socket hole in the case. I didn't do any soldering though, since it didn't require any and I don't have any such tools anymore.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 03 May 2012, 16:10:00
Ah, I see.  Well, for the record, the trick involves putting 2 series pairs of high-current diodes in parallel at opposite polarities between the chassis ground and the signal ground of the amp.  It's another trick from Pete Millett:

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This gives the signal ground ~ +/- 1.4V of wiggle room with respect to earth ground.  The diodes are selected to have much greater current carrying capacity than the unit's safety fuse so that they can still blow the fuse in the event of some electrical failure inside of the amp.  It works well to kill typical ground loops.  I've been doing this in all my amps.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Namkung on Thu, 03 May 2012, 18:12:38
I used to hear some static noise when I had my DAC connected to my computer via USB.
was fixed by using optical out since that isolates the power from the computer or something =S though since you are using an onboard dac, i guess this isn't an option.

@rknize
I am not too sure about the maverick tubemagic but the nuforce icon hdp is a pretty good dac/amp combo too that you might want to consider!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Heisenberg on Thu, 03 May 2012, 20:27:29
ATH AD-700 are my all time favorites when it comes to value relative to performance.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 03 May 2012, 23:50:01
Quote from: Namkung;589462
I am not too sure about the maverick tubemagic but the nuforce icon hdp is a pretty good dac/amp combo too that you might want to consider!

The Icons are a little more than I want to spend.  Their uDACs seem quite reasonable, though.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Fri, 04 May 2012, 01:22:47
Do any of you have any recommendations for an amp, preferably with a DAC, for less than $200?
It's for my K240's, I'm probably going to use it as a pre-amp for some speakers as well.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Fri, 04 May 2012, 02:30:32
You can get away with a FIIO with those cans, they're good amps that are cheap and if you do something like the e7 and e9 you get an amp and dac under $200.

240s don't really need it though, aside from the extra volume, they're pretty efficient, like the 271s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: LuvULongTime on Fri, 04 May 2012, 02:32:09
Quote from: Namkung;584163
saving for hd800 + WA2 +_+


I love the combo, it gets used almost everyday.  I use an O2 desktop at my comp but when I want to relax for a while I head to the Woo.  

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nice pics rknize
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Fri, 04 May 2012, 03:11:21
Quote from: Ragnorock;589733
You can get away with a FIIO with those cans, they're good amps that are cheap and if you do something like the e7 and e9 you get an amp and dac under $200.

240s don't really need it though, aside from the extra volume, they're pretty efficient, like the 271s.

I don't really like FiiO amps, The E7's I've used seemed low quality (not sound wise)
nor did they sound as good as my dad's NAD amp, they felt like they were missing something compared to it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Sun, 06 May 2012, 20:11:34
So um yeah... DIY desktop amp ~$180, suggestions?  I was looking at the pimeta v2 w/ 24v sigma 25 PSU, AD843JNs.

Hmmm?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tr4656 on Sun, 06 May 2012, 20:19:05
O2 amps could do as well.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Sun, 06 May 2012, 20:29:28
Already planning on doing an ODA when he finishes that up, so I'm looking for something else.  :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Namkung on Sun, 06 May 2012, 20:32:32
Quote from: LuvULongTime;589735
I love the combo, it gets used almost everyday.  I use an O2 desktop at my comp but when I want to relax for a while I head to the Woo.  

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nice pics rknize

damn. im so jealous T____T

edit:
what tubes are those? looks like tung-sol 5998s.. /drool
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 06 May 2012, 20:32:52
180 is a fair amount of scratch.. then again, a pimeta with opa627s in class A sounds pretty darn good..
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: PixelVandalism on Sun, 06 May 2012, 20:42:09
I asked this question yesterday -_-
What do you think of the Audinst HUD-MX1, Tiny Tube DAC, and Yulong U100?
The Audinst is $172, the Yulong is $192, and I can't find anyone who sells the Tiny Tube.
The Yulong is only $192 until tomorrow.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Sun, 06 May 2012, 20:42:45
Hmmm, only $10 more for the opa627s vs the ad843s.  Either one fits in with the rest of the parts I've picked.  Aside from that, yes class A.  :)


As to the 180... could cut 15 and get a jameco linear regulated supply instead of building one.  Could go with something other than the blue velvet pot, and could go with a cheaper case instead of the hammond alu box.  Could get cheaper resistors, but that's only a couple bucks.

edit:  read more on opamps and I'm still sold on the ad843s.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 06 May 2012, 21:17:50
i have an elpac wall-wart that i like quite a bit. the blue velvet is really really nice. there's the smaller alps rk series that people seem to like now in portable amps. the blue velvet is really nice though, and unless the RK is comparable (and just smaller), probably worth it.

i think tubes are a waste of money and time, personally.
Title: cMoyBB
Post by: litster on Sat, 12 May 2012, 16:23:18
Finished my cMoyBB build last week.  Glad I didn't post the pictures before the ghroll back.  I hope that was the last one.

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I ordered double parts for almost everything by accident from Mouser.  I am going to order anther $15 worth of parts from JDSLabs to build another one.  This next one will be the rechargeable version.

After that, I might want to build a DAC.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Sat, 12 May 2012, 17:19:18
Hooray for another rollback!
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Sun, 13 May 2012, 00:15:48
The Headphone thread died.  Long live the headphone thread.

To review, I got a pair of Sennheiser HD 558 cans the other day.  The open/airy sound was weird at first, but I got over that.  It reminded me of an old pair of headphones that I had many years ago.  I think they were Koss or Awia.  They were open-back with thick, fluffy foam pads.  Awesome bass.  I also found the Audio-Technica MD-50s and they rock by comparison to the HD558.  I bent the headband a bit to make them more comfortable, but they still get hot.

After a day or so, I didn't like the HD 558s anymore.  They seemed kind of lifeless even though they are very detailed.  I put them in my drawer at work overnight with di.fm streaming to them at high volume.  That helped a bit.  Yesterday, I did the foam mod (to make them more like the HD 598) and it made a significant difference.  They actually have good bass extension now and are even more airy.  They go deeper than the MD-50s, though are not as bass heavy.  The detail makes them pretty good for playing games, too.

I attempted to order a Matrix Cube, but they were out of stock.  They offered to upgrade me to their Mini-i for free, so I went with that.  In the meantime, I'm using a Fiio E17.  Not bad, once you get the aluminum shavings out of the PCB.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 May 2012, 00:46:10
while researching for headphones, I found out that back in late 2010, HD650 sold for $299 briefly.  But it is now selling for $450 to $500.  another potential candidate is Denon AH-D5000 for $380 or so at http://www.electronics-expo.com/ with coupon code.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 13 May 2012, 07:08:12
omg, hd650s are 500$ now? yah, i got mine in about ~2000 for 250. hard to beat them for classical
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Post by: laffindude on Sun, 13 May 2012, 07:51:39
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/luscious-denon-ah-d2000-ah-d50000-and-ah-d7000
Before you buy a D5000, take a look at that then decide if it is worth it.

I personally like the HD600 more. I wouldn't call 650 veiled, but it is a bit less exciting sounding.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 13 May 2012, 08:52:52
on second thought, i have hd600s. i believe hd650s launched at 350-ish, so prices still have gone up, but not as much as i thought. 300 for hd650s is quite a deal.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 May 2012, 11:46:47
Quote from: laffindude;591487
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/luscious-denon-ah-d2000-ah-d50000-and-ah-d7000
Before you buy a D5000, take a look at that then decide if it is worth it.

I personally like the HD600 more. I wouldn't call 650 veiled, but it is a bit less exciting sounding.

Thanks for the link.  Will give it a read.

Quote from: mkawa;591537
on second thought, i have hd600s. i believe hd650s launched at 350-ish, so prices still have gone up, but not as much as i thought. 300 for hd650s is quite a deal.

mkawa, will take a look at HD600.  Another option would be SKG's K701, which is still around $280.  Maybe I should not go to far high end and get something in the $200-$300 range before I get spoiled.  :-)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Sun, 13 May 2012, 16:59:11
Quote from: rknize;591277
The Headphone thread died.  Long live the headphone thread.

To review, I got a pair of Sennheiser HD 558 cans the other day.  The open/airy sound was weird at first, but I got over that.  It reminded me of an old pair of headphones that I had many years ago.  I think they were Koss or Awia.  They were open-back with thick, fluffy foam pads.  Awesome bass.  I also found the Audio-Technica MD-50s and they rock by comparison to the HD558.  I bent the headband a bit to make them more comfortable, but they still get hot.

After a day or so, I didn't like the HD 558s anymore.  They seemed kind of lifeless even though they are very detailed.  I put them in my drawer at work overnight with di.fm streaming to them at high volume.  That helped a bit.  Yesterday, I did the foam mod (to make them more like the HD 598) and it made a significant difference.  They actually have good bass extension now and are even more airy.  They go deeper than the MD-50s, though are not as bass heavy.  The detail makes them pretty good for playing games, too.

I attempted to order a Matrix Cube, but they were out of stock.  They offered to upgrade me to their Mini-i for free, so I went with that.  In the meantime, I'm using a Fiio E17.  Not bad, once you get the aluminum shavings out of the PCB.
ROFL
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Post by: mkawa on Sun, 13 May 2012, 17:05:24
Quote from: litster;591635
Thanks for the link.  Will give it a read.



mkawa, will take a look at HD600.  Another option would be SKG's K701, which is still around $280.  Maybe I should not go to far high end and get something in the $200-$300 range before I get spoiled.  :-)
when i bought my hd600s there was no hd650 or hd800. if i were buying new phones today, i'd splurge on the 800s, not because i don't like the hd600s, but because i like them so much*, and by all reports the new models are the same sound but even more refined. ;)

*they've actually stopped my headphone purchasing for 10 years and counting
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Mon, 14 May 2012, 00:17:43
Quote from: mkawa;591537
on second thought, i have hd600s. i believe hd650s launched at 350-ish, so prices still have gone up, but not as much as i thought. 300 for hd650s is quite a deal.


I may have spring for them at $300.  But $500?  No way.  Looks like the HD600 can be had for that.  Hmm.  I'll give these a bit more time.  I've spent enough already....

Quote from: Ragnorock
ROFL


Yeah, pretty sad.  Extruded aluminum housing+self-tapping screws=cranky PCB.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: martinyeah on Mon, 14 May 2012, 01:39:58
i m using logitech g930
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 14 May 2012, 16:03:52
Can I just say OMG... like holy crap... I have just plugged in my new DT770 pro 250omg cans. There is nothing quite so surreal as hearing subtle mix placement that you've never noticed before (w/ headphones, not comparing to my stereo).  There's bass drums in here that never existed before.  I'm having a hard time deciding what I should listen to next.  

All this through my cheap Plantronic headset adapter (USB DAC).

I can't wait to get my Pimeta built.
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Post by: laffindude on Mon, 14 May 2012, 17:47:43
You'll get more impactful and articulate bass with an amp. If bass is up your alley, then you picked the right cans.
Not sure if you like Jamiroquai, but I love the bass on Traveling without moving. Lenny is always a good listen too (let love rule is my favorite). These are my favorite when testing for bass texture.
/currently listening on my modded DT990pro.
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Post by: sth on Mon, 14 May 2012, 17:57:37
Quote from: alaricljs;592674
I'm having a hard time deciding what I should listen to next.

The Flaming Lips' Soft Bulletin 5.1 Demastered stereo mixdowns (PM me if you don't have access to sites that they're available on). Fuh. King. Uh. May. Zing. Also, Clouds Taste Metallic is good in a very different way.
The Most Serene Republic's Population is an incredible baroque pop-ish album that is beautifully put together.
Shellac's 1000 Hurts, pretty much anything recorded by Steve Albini will sound incredible as well. 1000 Hurts is a good example of how good the space between sounds can sound on good headphones.
Charles Mingus' Mingus Moves (Canon and Wee are my favorites)
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Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 14 May 2012, 21:03:33
Quote from: laffindude;592730
You'll get more impactful and articulate bass with an amp. If bass is up your alley, then you picked the right cans.

Definitely found a track that will demonstrate the amp nicely for me: Moby - Flower, you might have heard it in the new Gone in 60 Seconds.  That track from Jamiroquai is a good listen, don't know that they would make it into my regular rotation.

As to my typical listening, that's tough.  Metallica - Death Magnetic (Moderus master) happens to be where I heard the difference in drums and positioning.  On the other side of the tracks (town/state/world?) is Wynton Marsalis - Baroque Music for Trumpets.  Very well balanced and detailed.  

A random selection of my collection I listened to recently:  Black Keys, Chris Cornell (solo, Audioslave and Soundgarden), Crystal Method, C-Tec (the ultimate in bass tests), Daft Punk, Juno Reactor, Massive Attack, NIN, Orbital, Pink Floyd, Tool, Rob Zombie...

sth - thanks for the suggestions.  Flaming Lips, found Soft Bulletin on youtube and ran away after 10 seconds.  Most Serene Republic gets put on the list of further investigation.  Preferably without all this pop/click crap from youtube.  Shellac gets on that list above MSR.  In hunting for 'Canon' I found nothing but horrid interpretations of it :(  Certainly not finding the two you mention worth a listen on YT... on the other hand, Moanin' sounds good, finding something comparable at random is not working out so well.
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Post by: sth on Mon, 14 May 2012, 21:35:31
Quote from: alaricljs;592899
Definitely found a track that will demonstrate the amp nicely for me: Moby - Flower, you might have heard it in the new Gone in 60 Seconds.  That track from Jamiroquai is a good listen, don't know that they would make it into my regular rotation.

As to my typical listening, that's tough.  Metallica - Death Magnetic (Moderus master) happens to be where I heard the difference in drums and positioning.  On the other side of the tracks (town/state/world?) is Wynton Marsalis - Baroque Music for Trumpets.  Very well balanced and detailed.  

A random selection of my collection I listened to recently:  Black Keys, Chris Cornell (solo, Audioslave and Soundgarden), Crystal Method, C-Tec (the ultimate in bass tests), Daft Punk, Juno Reactor, Massive Attack, NIN, Orbital, Pink Floyd, Tool, Rob Zombie...

sth - thanks for the suggestions.  Flaming Lips, found Soft Bulletin on youtube and ran away after 10 seconds.  Most Serene Republic gets put on the list of further investigation.  Preferably without all this pop/click crap from youtube.  Shellac gets on that list above MSR.  In hunting for 'Canon' I found nothing but horrid interpretations of it :(  Certainly not finding the two you mention worth a listen on YT... on the other hand, Moanin' sounds good, finding something comparable at random is not working out so well.

Try to find a copy of Mingus Moves. Preferably on vinyl, but FLAC (or at the very least v0) will do. Soft Bulletin/The Flaming Lips may not be your thing but The Soft Bulletin (especially the 5.1 demaster version) has a very unique sonic quality. Steven Drozd was a master of texture... then he stopped doing heroin. Good for him, bad for us.

I wouldn't trust 90% of masters from the last 20 years from any band on a major... read up on the loudness wars if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Judging by the stuff you've listed, I really doubt our musical tastes will mesh, and I'll refrain from commenting on everything except Metallica. Those dip****s wouldn't know a good mix if it were an axe between Lars Ulrich's eyes. The dude butchers the **** out of the drums too. Grumble.
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Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 14 May 2012, 22:28:39
Metallica - Hence why it's the Moderus master (long story short, the master tracks were released in Guitar Hero or something and some engineer dude mastered his own release.  Info has been posted to Metallica's own forums/site on where to get it and it hasn't been censored.)  Also interestingly enough the track I was enjoying the drums on is... drum light:  The Unforgiven III, lots of piano, strings, yeah really typical Metallica?  :)

edit: more Metallica - they released an EP w/ 4 more tracks that didn't make the original album.  Compared to the Moderus master they sound like muddy ****e mixed with asphalt.

Yes the loudness wars suck, wish it never happened, too bad a lot of the music I like participates in that war.  There's a whole lot more music that I can enjoy (like jazz) there's just certain genres than I can't enjoy unless that's all I'm doing (like jazz) and I don't have time for that unfortunately.  Hard enough to listen to classical without stopping what I'm doing.
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Post by: sth on Mon, 14 May 2012, 22:50:51
I was referring more to the sound that Lars makes with his drums period. I think it's terrible.
I'm on the other side of the fence re:loudness wars -- I generally find music released by people who care little enough about the sound of their record to be awfully boring. That includes bands that have signed to majors and effectively gave up on creative control of their art... but that's for another thread. To cut it short: hooray indy labels and the DIY scene.
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Post by: laffindude on Mon, 14 May 2012, 22:55:26
Listening to Rosanna on the original Toto IV pressing is quite a treat. Loudness war sucks.
However I don't think modern mastering technique is necessarily bad. Only when the compressor is used excessively. Many jazz albums are mastered pretty decently. It has that "modern sound" without being hypersquished. Say, something like Ray Charles' Genius loves company. Diana Krall's albums are equally wonderful.
On the opposite end of the scale. RHCP's I'm with you was atrocious. Lenny's Black and white America. Ew (though I did enjoy some songs with that "compressed sound" like Superlove).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 17 May 2012, 10:18:45
So I've decided that these HD-558s are too laid back for low-volume playing.  When I crank them, they do sound quite good.  However at low volumes they are rather boring.  Part of the problem might be the background office noise mixing with the music.  The M50s are more intimate (being closed-back), but not as detailed and not as comfortable.

I usually listen to high-energy music while coding (hard rock, death/hair metal, trance), but I prefer to do it at lower volumes to save my ears.  They also need to be comfortable, since I wear them for many hours at a time.  Suggestions?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 17 May 2012, 10:21:47
i like canalphones for offices. my office phones are etymotics hf-2s with the comply wax guard tips. comfortable, wildly isolating, can get basically any volume i want, from white noise to ear shattering from an iphone. open phones don't really work well for offices unless you have a private office and a heavy door
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Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 17 May 2012, 11:00:12
My DT770s are comfy and closed... but having zero experience with decent headphones, can't say how they would compare for you.  They do low volume well.  Compared to the Sony MDR-NC50s I had been using....

bass: cleaner, more responsive, deeper extension
mids: other than a much more accurate sound stage, nothing really to report
highs: no complaints in regards to shrillness or any imbalance wrt bass/mids

They are very detailed and do wonderfully with anything I've pumped through them.  They are also very revealing of the quality of my collection.

edit: and one other note - the velour makes them rather warm (temperature) but I got used to it fairly quickly.  I only overheat if I also have the cat in my lap.
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Post by: laffindude on Thu, 17 May 2012, 11:07:37
Quote from: rknize;594608
So I've decided that these HD-558s are too laid back for low-volume playing.  When I crank them, they do sound quite good.  However at low volumes they are rather boring.  Part of the problem might be the background office noise mixing with the music.  The M50s are more intimate (being closed-back), but not as detailed and not as comfortable.

I usually listen to high-energy music while coding (hard rock, death/hair metal, trance), but I prefer to do it at lower volumes to save my ears.  They also need to be comfortable, since I wear them for many hours at a time.  Suggestions?


I am a low volume listener as well. DT990pro is my personal favorite for that. Though they're open so may not be desirable to you. You can try DT770pro like alaricljs if you need some more isolation. I like a bit more basshump for low level listening, so I'd suggest the Pro 80ohm. Pro versions have a tighter clamp, so you'd want to stretch the spring steel headband until desired clamp is achieved. Not sure if it matters, but these Beyers are built like tanks (and easily repaired with replacement parts).
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Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 17 May 2012, 11:47:27
The Pro's are tighter?  My head must be tiny then, this is the most gentle over-ear I could imagine.  My Sonys and my industrial ear protection is far tighter than this.  I have the 250ohm Pro.
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Post by: laffindude on Thu, 17 May 2012, 12:02:42
Premium edition are even gentler on the ears. Keep in mind a lot of the sealed (not just closed like DT770) headphones and hearing protections need the tight clamp to maintain the seal for isolation.
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Post by: mkawa on Thu, 17 May 2012, 13:18:33
i've heard good things about the dt770s. i believe my officemate has a pair. if you like the beyer sound and closed circumaural thing, stick to it.
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Post by: rknize on Thu, 17 May 2012, 13:38:24
Guess I won't know until I try them.  Sounds like they are quite colored, but that is probably good for low volume.
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Post by: mkawa on Thu, 17 May 2012, 13:46:55
Actually neutral tends to be better for low volume because there are no valleys in the frequency response that you need to compensate for
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Post by: rknize on Thu, 17 May 2012, 13:50:11
Anyone ever try the DT880s?
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Post by: laffindude on Thu, 17 May 2012, 14:11:56
Yes. They're on my head at the moment.
In comparison to DT990pro:
880 has slightly less airy sound, but more "flat" sounding sound-signature.
less bass and less treble. 600ohm version has sliiiiightly more bass punch.
Probably my favorite mid-fi phone.

DT770 is the odd ball out in term of sound signature in the xx0 family.
DT770 has a huge midrange suckout, even more so than the 990. 880 is the most "neutralish" one.
Closed phone sounds closed ;p
DT880 has no isolation to speak of.
I don't know what is it about the 770, it just isn't my cup of tea.

DT880's pro version is the most similar to premium version versus the others. 770 and 990 are basically using older version's cups, where the 880 pro uses the same as current Premiums. It just have different headband padding and clamp.
Pro versions have the curly cord that I like more than straight cords.
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Post by: rknize on Thu, 17 May 2012, 15:15:12
Thanks for that.  My office isn't *that* noisy.  I do have a lot of PCs in here, and so there is some background fan noise (especially the SAS array on my build machine).  I do like being able to hear when people approach with the HD-558s and the old Koss phones that I had.  People often sneak up on me when I use the HD-428s or the M50s.

I think/hope it's the laid-back sound that is the issue.  From what I gather, Beyerdynamic tends to have a fairly U-shaped response in this range and that the DT880 is the least so.  Maybe I will give them a try.
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Post by: laffindude on Thu, 17 May 2012, 15:29:26
I hope you can try before you buy. D2000 has very modest isolation, and has a mild smilie faced response. May be it'll block out just enough day to day sound, but enough to hear what's going on around you.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 17 May 2012, 16:05:34
Pretty tough to find a place that can demo all these different types.  Thanks, though.
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Post by: rknize on Thu, 17 May 2012, 16:50:12
I assume you are referring to the Denon AH-D2000?  Do you have those?  How would you characterize their sound as compared to the DT880?  The seem to have a good reputation, aside from that pesky screw.
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Post by: laffindude on Thu, 17 May 2012, 17:23:21
Yes I am talking about the Denon D2000.
I like the DT880's trade offs more than D2000. D2000's bass seems to dig deeper without being excessive. DT880 have the midbass hump to give it that punch. 880 is probably more exciting sounding.
Midrange, I call it a wash. D2000 sounds warmer to me.
Treble. Here is the main difference to me. DT880 has a characteristic Beyer 8.5k treble spike. The tiss from cymbals can get a little annoying (you can eq or use some tube magic here). D2000 is pretty laid back through the treble, without being overly dark. Edit: Not implying these are dark phones. They are only dark compared to the trebly Beyers.

Taken as a whole, D2000 is pretty blend sounding. How you like it depends on your ears. It is actually not a closed headphone, only almost closed. There is a strip of gap around the plastic outer part that lets air through. So it does isolate, but not to any great extent. Soundstaging is pretty good, perhaps lacks a bit of depth. Pretty flat sounding with a slight warm tilt. My only complain about it is that the bass can sound a bit loose and unrefined. If you want a more exciting sound, may be these are not for you.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 17 May 2012, 19:30:50
Well, I have the Senns if I want laid back.  I'm not very thrilled with the low impedance, either.  Driving the D2000 OTL would be a challenge.
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Post by: laffindude on Thu, 17 May 2012, 22:38:18
Definitely. 600ohm Beyer on the other hand are perfect for those OTL amps.
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Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 18 May 2012, 18:47:21
If anyone has a pair of Bose OE2i's PM me please!
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Post by: NamelessPFG on Sat, 19 May 2012, 17:57:01
I wish I had $550 right now. (http://www.head-fi.org/t/610463/stax-lambda-sb-with-transformer-box-srd-7-sb) This is why I try not to browse Head-Fi's B/S/T section; I get too tempted to spend money again.

Never mind that I already have a similar setup; it wouldn't hurt to have a backup.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Sat, 19 May 2012, 23:44:33
These Beyers are revealing what crap Netflix streams...  but I'm still happy ;)
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Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 20 May 2012, 09:54:51
Just bought a pair of Shure srh840's for 130 USD from Guitar Center. I tried these and some Audio Technica ATH-M50s'. The m50 felt a little distorted in the treble and the sound was a little too upfront for my liking. They weren't bad at all, but I think I prefer the 840's. They sounded a little muffled at the store with my ipod, but for some reason at home there is no recession of the upper end. I'm playing them out of Wyred4Sound DAC2 -> Violectric V200. I also feel like they 'ring' a bit in the lower mids to upper bass, but that could just be because I'm used to the LCD-2's
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2040/190369.jpg)
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Post by: rknize on Sun, 20 May 2012, 13:55:28
The Matrix Mini-i came in the other day.  The Senns sound amazing when driven by this thing.  I have to play them pretty loud, but wow.  Awesome sound stage and great/natural bass extension.  Live recordings are almost as good as my system downstairs.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: litster on Mon, 21 May 2012, 01:14:26
I have recently read a good number of headphone reviews.  I have no idea what the reviewers talk about. The adjectives used in these reviews are: warm, tight, fast, laid back, etc.  I think I will need to get a couple of different headphones to begin to understand what they mean.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Mon, 21 May 2012, 10:32:44
Audio reviews are generally to be taken with a grain of salt.  Many of the finer points are highly subjective.  However, when it comes to speakers and headphones, the differences are often much more obvious.  In any case, it's hard to put audio attributes into words.  A lot of audio reviews take advantage of this fact and spew a lot of meaningless nonsense.  But yes, it's best to hear the differences for yourself.

I'll take a stab at a few of the terms, FWIW:

"forward" vs "laid back" - taken to the extreme, having your head right next to the speakers versus listening from another room.  The instruments feel like they are firing at you, instead of you trying to make them out in the distance.  Forward can be more fun and more detailed (easier to pick out instruments and performers), but a more laid-back sound is probably more "natural".

"fast" and "tight" are often used to refer to the bass.  It has to do with how the movement and control of the speaker cone interacts with the speaker's own natural resonance.  A lot of things besides the speaker itself impact this, including the design of the cabinet, the impedance and current capability of the amp, interconnect impedance, etc.  For headphones, I think it has most to do with the first two, since the mass of the speaker cone is so low.

Another one you'll hear is the "sound stage".  It's how deep and how wide the virtual sound stage seems.  For a live recording, this would correspond to the actual stage.  For a studio recording, it's all in the magic of what the sound engineer did.  How can you have 3D sound with only two speakers?  Well, you only have two ears.  For good recording, the 3D information is there.  It's a matter of getting to your ears without losing it along the way.  The speakers probably have the most influence on this, since they introduce the most distortion into the source by far.
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Post by: laffindude on Mon, 21 May 2012, 10:58:46
Imaging belongs under soundstage too. Sound stage is not only how wide it is, but also depth. How far is each instrument is from you. This is usually the Achilles heel of headphones. Our brain works out the slight difference in time sound arrive to each ear to pin point the exact location of the sound. Headphone does not let you hear sounds from the other channel to work out this information (without crossfeed). This extreme stereo separation can fatigue your ears. They can also make center sounds that seems to come at you from 11 and 1 oclock at the same time (incoherent center stage, which is why I hate K701).

Do watch out for placebos. This is the land of 2000 dollar power cables.
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Post by: mkawa on Mon, 21 May 2012, 11:18:26
i do my best to refrain from attempting to interpret other's impressions of audio gear. audio reproduction is hopelessly complex that even the best objective measurements we have are woefully inadequate, much less the wildly subjective ones. however, there are a couple terms that i feel are pretty reasonable:

"low-end" behavior when signal is around 1-500hz
"mid-range" behavior when signal is around 500-12khz
"high-end" 12-20khz

"warm" amplitude response when signal is in mid-range is unusually high (w/rt high/low end)
"laid-back" amplitude response in mid/low frequency domain is similar, but low-end rolls off at a particularly high frequency (and note that _every_ headphone has 3db roll-off by 75hz)
"rock" low amplitude response in high-end
"peaky" high amplitude response in the high-end

there are other valid terms in the frequency domain as well but they're not coming to mind.. there are also terms that refer to distortion in the time domain. i'm of the opinion that most of these terms refer to ringing at various frequencies..

"bass smearing" low-frequency reproduction tends to ring
"tight" low-frequencies do not tend to ring
"fast" high-frequencies do not tend to ring
"sibilant" high-frequencies tend to ring

"soundstage" refers to spatial reproduction, but i have no idea how one models this, or even reproduces it, since i don't really understand how humans localize audio, but do know that involves the shape of the ear; imo, all bets are off on this one, except that the further the drivers are from your ear, the better the potential for spatial reproduction.
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Post by: litster on Mon, 21 May 2012, 13:42:33
Thanks for the explanation, guys.  I will have to match them up with what I hear.
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Post by: dmbr on Thu, 24 May 2012, 16:16:33
Grado 225i's for music, Audiotechnica ATH-AD700's and Sennheiser 380HD's for gaming.

I use a modded Xonar ST sound card when not listening to vinyl B)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 24 May 2012, 17:17:19
I tried-out the DT 880s at a local Brookstone.  They seemed to have a fairly flat response and were relatively comfortable.  I like the velure pads.  I ordered the 250-ohm Pro version from B&H, because I wanted a coiled cord and an input impedance that was a reasonable compromise.  I'm pretty happy with them so far.  Not so laid-back as the Senns, which makes them a bit more engaging at low volume.  Fairly flat response, unlike the bass-bloated M50s or the overly-warm Senns.  Not as open as the Senns and not as intimate as the M50s.  Decent compromise, overall.  Clearly a studio headphone.  I think I'm good, now.  :)
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jonnybastard on Thu, 24 May 2012, 20:27:06
Good choice, 880's are easily my favorite pair of cans.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Thu, 24 May 2012, 22:36:25
Quote from: laffindude;597074
Imaging belongs under soundstage too. Sound stage is not only how wide it is, but also depth. How far is each instrument is from you.

This is usually the Achilles heel of headphones. Our brain works out the slight difference in time sound arrive to each ear to pin point the exact location of the sound. Headphone does not let you hear sounds from the other channel to work out this information (without crossfeed). This extreme stereo separation can fatigue your ears. They can also make center sounds that seems to come at you from 11 and 1 oclock at the same time (incoherent center stage, which is why I hate K701).
Ironically, this is also why binaural sources are generally mixed for headphones only. That very property of hearing sounds from the other channel in both ears (which is how we're able to tell what direction they're coming from in the first place, and what binaural methods act on) makes binaural mixing for stereo speakers significantly more complicated compared to headphones, because now you have to factor in crosstalk cancellation and whatnot. It's not impossible, though, hence QSound and other such processing methods.

The problem with this? Well, there just aren't that many binaural sources to begin with, aside from a select few music albums and older PC games (back when DirectSound3D and OpenAL were still in common use, and thus the 3D sound information can easily be mixed into any format the sound device desires instead of being constrained to 7.1 and one-dimensional stereo headphone panning).

This subject also makes me think about the endearingly atmospheric presentation of my vintage Stax Lambda, which could actually be a trait of electrostatics in general. Instead of the sound being forced and thrown into your ears, it sort of just flows in instead. Fortunately, in spite of this rather spatial-sounding presentation, the center stage never sounds incoherent to me. Very whole, no gaps.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dmbr on Fri, 25 May 2012, 00:21:22
Pardon the tangent, but speaking of surround sound with headphones, this is worth checking out: http://www.head-fi.org/t/447089/5-1-headphone-experience-foobar-configuration-for-all-stereo-music-files
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 25 May 2012, 09:52:16
weird.

personally, i don't find localization to be all that important. i guess i'm just more of a composition and timbre nerd
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: dmbr on Fri, 25 May 2012, 15:08:51
For me, the difference between surround and stereo is as big as stereo vs mono. It really makes certain songs and genres come alive.

Albums that are carefully mixed for 5.1 sound amazing with Dolby Headphone. The Crystal Method does stunning things with it...voices and little trails of reverb swimming around your head in perfect rhythm...if you're not tripping already you will be.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: NamelessPFG on Fri, 25 May 2012, 22:43:57
For music, I don't prioritize localization over things like sound signature and whatnot, but for gaming, I most certainly do.

Binaural surround filters like CMSS-3D Headphone or Dolby Headphone can be like aural wallhacks with the right headphones.

I'll have to admit that I've never heard any songs mixed with 5.1 in mind, though. The only ones I've encountered are stereo, with the occasional binaural recording.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: jwaz on Wed, 30 May 2012, 16:22:51
Has anyone hapened to check out the monoprice headphones people are so impressed with? I'm really tempted to get them as a beater pair.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: litster on Wed, 30 May 2012, 20:00:21
I came across this blog post (http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-we-hear.html) on objective vs subject review on hi fi gear.  My day job involves a lot proving and validating quality with numbers so this post really resonates with me.

And then I read this WA5 headphone amp review on headfonia.com:

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At the current state, I think the number is close to $6,000. Yes, four times the price of the Sennheiser HD800. No wonder it sounds so good.


Yes, I am a skeptic right now.  How could I trust any of these subjective reviews?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 31 May 2012, 04:35:36
You don't. There is a conflict of interest. They depend on advertising dollars, so how honest do you think they will be. Audiophile stuff is full of placebos and snake oils. Some sites to stay away from: Headfi, headphonia, 6moons. (There is a lot of astroturfer on headfi).
If people claim they can hear interconnect cable difference. It is time to walk away. http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm http://www.changstar.com/
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 31 May 2012, 06:59:19
nwavguy has his own interests to defend.

this is why i stick to the old school diy scene.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 31 May 2012, 10:05:43
DIYers are not free from placebo and snake oil. I don't like nwavguy myself, but he has a pretty good point about the active ground loved by the DIY community (and used in your Pimeta2).
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 31 May 2012, 10:28:46
i'm still not sure what his point about active grounds is. he says "yah, it makes sense for battery powered amps". note that most of the old diy designs are battery powered. then there's some stuff about crosstalk, and then he has some dubious measurements of a mini3 driven out of spec.

the difference is that in the old days, there wasn't really any money involved (or if there was it all went directly to mouser/digikey and the pcb houses lol) and people didn't feel the need to disparage other people's designs.

until you commercialize them, circuits are circuits, and just behave as they behave. you're curious, so you build one, and then you're a bit more curious so you build and measure ten more. you listen to them and think a bit and that's how you have fun. my point is that nwavguy is clearly commercializing and productizing his designs, no matter what their objective merits might be. in his world, you have a limited budget for audio hardware and he wants it to be devoted to his circuits.

go check out an archive of the old headwize product pages (i think kevin gilmore maintains these now) to see how it used to be done. it was more like "oh, i built your circuit and this is what i thought, but then i had this cool idea, because i wanted MORE BASS" and ta-da, apheared's a47
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 31 May 2012, 10:53:13
Call me materialistic, but looks were a factor in choosing my headphones and amp setup. I could have been blissfully happy with just my k701s and ****ty FiiO amp, but I wanted something more prestigious. When I saw how badass the WA6 looked with the Sophia, I decided I wanted one, as expensive as it was for the utility I would likely get out of it. Worse still, I learned the better match for my cans was nearly double the price, and I still didn't mind, I just hunted for a good deal on Head-Fi until I found one (I paid about MSRP for mine but it came with about $800 of tubes and was mint.) I knew that like mech keyboards, amps hold their value really well, so if I was ever in a bind I could sell it, but I haven't wanted to yet, and there's always someone wondering what the hell it is.

As far as the comments about Head-Fi et. al., of course you should take everything at face value. I do go over there for reviews on audio gear, mostly cans, but I always sift through several opinions to get the best idea possible, all the while knowing that these guys are all biased because that's what they like. Considering that we all are biased into mech boards here, its pretty easy to relate with that. If I was to come in here preaching that membranes are just as easy to type fast on as mechanicals, and that everything we like here is a ridiculous waste of money and we're slaves to SP, CClack and EK etc, we'd all be in an uproar over it. In the end, we're a community of enthusiasts, and so are they.

That said, some caveats:

Use monoprice interconnect cables until you have the discretionary income to the point of where you want to be able to point out your pretentious cables that look awesomer. For actual headphone cables though, you can hear noticeable difference by upgrading the cable if it isn't matched to the cans. For example with the Sennheiser HD800, the gauge of the cable isn't thick enough to carry the proper current for the bass response, so upgrading from the stock cable helps significantly. This is something I noted universally so I can say that with confidence. I hope that makes sense.

Snake oil is everywhere, but it is much more common in audio gear because its so preferential. However there is a distinction to be made between that and the mass market products like beats, which many owners will say are awesome. That makes me die a little inside because having compared them to what I have, I know that what I hear is not snake oil, and their opinions are simply ignorant of the truth.

I think the best way to make subjective things like audio component reviews more objective is to count them. If a lot of people, whom, while biased, have very discriminating tastes, all like something, then there's a pretty good chance that you'll like it too.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: litster on Thu, 31 May 2012, 10:54:59
According to nwavguy and jdslabs, nwavguy doesn't make any money from O2 or ODAC.  He seems to have only his reputation to defend, no money.

He is out there with numbers, repeatable numbers.  I like to see that from commercial manufacturers.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 31 May 2012, 11:07:21
Not sure I agree about he is disparaging other's designs for his own gain. He is not the only guy who is not doing active ground designs. I think he is doing it for his own ego. Circuits are just circuits. They sound the same whether or not you commercialize it. FUD is always around in the audiophile domain regardless. If he wants to sell his designs, good for him. It doesn't make active ground have more or less stereo crosstalk than it has right now.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: litster on Thu, 31 May 2012, 12:08:33
Quote from: Ragnorock;604660
Considering that we all are biased into mech boards here, its pretty easy to relate with that. If I was to come in here preaching that membranes are just as easy to type fast on as mechanicals, and that everything we like here is a ridiculous waste of money and we're slaves to SP, CClack and EK etc, we'd all be in an uproar over it. In the end, we're a community of enthusiasts, and so are they.


I can see that.  I can perceive the differences between different keyboards and switches that are tens or hundreds of dollars aport.  I can't perceive the differences between high end hifi gear that are thousands of dollars apart.  Not yet anyway.

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For example with the Sennheiser HD800, the gauge of the cable isn't thick enough to carry the proper current for the bass response, so upgrading from the stock cable helps significantly. This is something I noted universally so I can say that with confidence. I hope that makes sense.


I have been reading and other articles and DIY instructions on building my two cMoyBB amps to match voltage, current, and gain for low and high impedance headphones.  HD 800 is a high impedance headphones at 300 ohms.  it needs more voltage for higher volume.  For low impedance headphones like IEMs and or headphones (30 ohms or so) designed to work directly with portable music players that don't provide high voltage, you need higher current supply.

Anyhow, you would think Sennheiser would have the correct matching cables for its $1,500 pair of headphones.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 31 May 2012, 13:01:43
thank you for acknowledging that the jds stuff is a commercial product. yes, for a commercial product, jds is out there with far more transparency than most of these audiophile shops. but, as a diy type, nwavguy/jds are an insult to the open friendly diy community that used to exist.

anyway something that has been bugging me since i heard about this whole hubbub; who is nwavguy anyway?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Thu, 31 May 2012, 13:12:09
Quote from: litster;604687
I can see that.  I can perceive the differences between different keyboards and switches that are tens or hundreds of dollars aport.  I can't perceive the differences between high end hifi gear that are thousands of dollars apart.  Not yet anyway.



I have been reading and other articles and DIY instructions on building my two cMoyBB amps to match voltage, current, and gain for low and high impedance headphones.  HD 800 is a high impedance headphones at 300 ohms.  it needs more voltage for higher volume.  For low impedance headphones like IEMs and or headphones (30 ohms or so) designed to work directly with portable music players that don't provide high voltage, you need higher current supply.

Anyhow, you would think Sennheiser would have the correct matching cables for its $1,500 pair of headphones.
You're damn right, I mean really Sennheiser? I meant voltage... I think. Too much group buy shiz going around in my head to think too hard about that at the moment. XD

But its the same principle as to why you need heavy duty (like 12 gauge) extension cables when you're drawing a lot of amps using a power hungry piece of equipment.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 31 May 2012, 16:04:49
electricity: A SERIES OF TUBES
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Netdewt on Thu, 31 May 2012, 16:28:45
I have Grado SR-125 (had them for about 10 years) and just got a set of Fostex T20RP, modding soon.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 01 June 2012, 06:46:51
Quote from: Ragnorock;604660

Use monoprice interconnect cables until you have the discretionary income to the point of where you want to be able to point out your pretentious cables that look awesomer. For actual headphone cables though, you can hear noticeable difference by upgrading the cable if it isn't matched to the cans. For example with the Sennheiser HD800, the gauge of the cable isn't thick enough to carry the proper current for the bass response, so upgrading from the stock cable helps significantly. This is something I noted universally so I can say that with confidence. I hope that makes sense.


Sorry, that sounds like FUD in the highest degree. We're talking few milliamps of current here. The cables are more than sufficient.
There are also univerally accepted notion that silver cable sounds brighter, yet no one has been able to demonstrate the ability to ABX it yet.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Netdewt on Fri, 01 June 2012, 07:13:59
Cable modding has gotten out of control in the audio world for sure. People upgrade their power cables and claim it makes a difference in the sound.

I did upgrade my speaker cables on the stereo from very old, crappy 26ga repurposed "wire" to 10ga cable from Blue Jeans and thought that there was a noticeable difference in the sound, however.

One place that seems to make sense to me, if anywhere, is the cable for a turntable because the signal is pretty weak until it's gained by the phono pre.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: litster on Fri, 01 June 2012, 09:51:54
Quote from: litster;604663
According to nwavguy and jdslabs, nwavguy doesn't make any money from O2 or ODAC.  He seems to have only his reputation to defend, no money.

He is out there with numbers, repeatable numbers.  I like to see that from commercial manufacturers.


Quote from: mkawa;604723
thank you for acknowledging that the jds stuff is a commercial product. yes, for a commercial product, jds is out there with far more transparency than most of these audiophile shops. but, as a diy type, nwavguy/jds are an insult to the open friendly diy community that used to exist.

anyway something that has been bugging me since i heard about this whole hubbub; who is nwavguy anyway?


I had no idea yesterday who you were thanking since you did't quote.  Then I read the last few posts again today.  No, I mean I would like to see other commercial manufacturers back up their products with numbers and tables and used tested methods to prove what they claim is repeatable by other people, like nwavguy and jdslabs do.

mkawa, I would like to see some examples from you to demonstrate why nwavguy and jdslabs are an insult to the open friendly DIY community that doesn't exist any more.  I come in late and don't know the history behind it.

I sent over 6 emails to John at jdslabs for many noob questions and he answered every one of them, most within minutes, a couple within a few hours late at night or over the weekend.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: litster on Fri, 01 June 2012, 09:56:42
Quote from: litster;604687

I have been reading and other articles and DIY instructions on building my two cMoyBB amps to match voltage, current, and gain for low and high impedance headphones.  HD 800 is a high impedance headphones at 300 ohms.  it needs more voltage for higher volume.  For low impedance headphones like IEMs and or headphones (30 ohms or so) designed to work directly with portable music players that don't provide high voltage, you need higher current supply.

Anyhow, you would think Sennheiser would have the correct matching cables for its $1,500 pair of headphones.


Quote from: Ragnorock;604726
You're damn right, I mean really Sennheiser? I meant voltage... I think. Too much group buy shiz going around in my head to think too hard about that at the moment. XD

But its the same principle as to why you need heavy duty (like 12 gauge) extension cables when you're drawing a lot of amps using a power hungry piece of equipment.


No, I mean why isn't the cable that comes with the hd 800 isn't enough for a $1,500 pair of headphones?  You mean Ferrari sold you a supercar and it comes with bicycle wheels?
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 01 June 2012, 10:59:44
here's how the first run of PPA boards ended up being made

http://www.head-fi.org/t/27735/ppa-project-announcement

it was a collaborative design. the core designers came up with some design principles and a prototype. the rest was collaborative with the community. absolutely everything was open. design choices were explained, alternatives were proposed and explored, everyone built variants, everyone had fun

kevin gilmore's original article on the dynalo circuit: http://gilmore2.chem.northwestern.edu/projects/showfile.php?file=gilmore3_prj.htm

numerous pcbs and designs have been based off of that articles over the last 10 years. kevin has assisted wherever he can and whenever asked on those projects without taking a dime. iirc the only time he's ever taken money was when headamp directly commercialized the design as a finished product and (more importantly) put his name on it.

these are the people that nwavguy disparages (and not just on his page, there are forum posts that are most likely due to him going back years) as "doing it all wrong". meanwhile, he won't publish his real name, his newest design is not open, etc.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Maarten on Fri, 01 June 2012, 11:20:34
Quote from: Netdewt;605488
Cable modding has gotten out of control in the audio world for sure.

LIES! This (http://www.head-fi.org/t/590318/stefan-audioart-saa-voice-10ft-balanced-xlr-headphone-cable-classic-edition-rhodium-pins-cocobolo-wood-shells-splitters-external-cotton-quad-brading-free-plug-termination-of-your-choice) is great value for money! :music:
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Parak on Fri, 01 June 2012, 12:03:52
So an interesting thing about headphone cables is that the general principle is not too different from speaker cables, which have of course gathered quite a bit of "controversy". What they both boil down to, though, is Ohm's Law. To try and put it simply, there are essentially three factors involved:

1. A given impedance of your speaker/headphone (in ohms)
2. Resistance in the cable which increases the thinner and/or longer it is (also in ohms)
3. Potential output of your amplifier (in volts)

Due to the law, your total power that goes out to the speaker/headphone depends on all three of them. The less total resistance/impedance, the more power will get through. This is why 2 and 4 ohm speakers are easier to drive than 8 ohm speakers, and same goes for headphones where 32 ohm impedance is easier than 300 or 600 ohm impedance. The purpose of a cable is to provide as little in-between resistance as possible, as significant additional resistance will reduce the power that the amp is able to supply. Thick gauge and small lengths are needed for small impedance with large power outputs. There are plenty of numbers already floating around for speakers, such as this (http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm) excellent article by one of McIntosh engineers.

For headphones, the same effect applies. However, the required power to drive headphones is far less than what would be needed for speakers. Moreso as per the above, the required cable thickness goes /DOWN/ as the impedance goes /UP/. Think of the headphone impedance as an obstruction at the end of a hose - you can increase the size of the hose all you want, but since the flow through it remains the same (what the amp supplies), your total output flow does not change.

The resistance of a wire of a given gauge and length is easy enough to calculate for standard copper, and there are plenty of calculators for that. It's recommended that the total resistance of the wire be no more than 5% of the system impedance. The link above just about halves that even further on the safe side. For HD800, which is 300 ohm impedance, you'd want a cable that has a total resistance of no more than 7.5 ohms. As per this calculator (http://www.cirris.com/testing/resistance/wire.html) one can easily get away with using 30 awg wire (VERY thin) over a distance of 50 feet (lawl). So no, thicker cables (assuming they have thicker copper) won't do anything for headphones outside of some truly bizarre cases like running a cable over a few miles.

TL;DR: Due to basic physics, premium cables that are marketed as means of improving sound for either speakers or headphones are complete bunk. There is however some value in having nice cables that are more durable or flexible, but those can be had at a modest price increase over lamp cord.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Fri, 01 June 2012, 13:08:43
Quote from: Parak;605674
So an interesting thing about headphone cables is that the general principle is not too different from speaker cables, which have of course gathered quite a bit of "controversy". What they both boil down to, though, is Ohm's Law. To try and put it simply, there are essentially three factors involved:

1. A given impedance of your speaker/headphone (in ohms)
2. Resistance in the cable which increases the thinner and/or longer it is (also in ohms)
3. Potential output of your amplifier (in volts)

Due to the law, your total power that goes out to the speaker/headphone depends on all three of them. The less total resistance/impedance, the more power will get through. This is why 2 and 4 ohm speakers are easier to drive than 8 ohm speakers, and same goes for headphones where 32 ohm impedance is easier than 300 or 600 ohm impedance. The purpose of a cable is to provide as little in-between resistance as possible, as significant additional resistance will reduce the power that the amp is able to supply. Thick gauge and small lengths are needed for small impedance with large power outputs. There are plenty of numbers already floating around for speakers, such as this (http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm) excellent article by one of McIntosh engineers.

For headphones, the same effect applies. However, the required power to drive headphones is far less than what would be needed for speakers. Moreso as per the above, the required cable thickness goes /DOWN/ as the impedance goes /UP/. Think of the headphone impedance as an obstruction at the end of a hose - you can increase the size of the hose all you want, but since the flow through it remains the same (what the amp supplies), your total output flow does not change.

The resistance of a wire of a given gauge and length is easy enough to calculate for standard copper, and there are plenty of calculators for that. It's recommended that the total resistance of the wire be no more than 5% of the system impedance. The link above just about halves that even further on the safe side. For HD800, which is 300 ohm impedance, you'd want a cable that has a total resistance of no more than 7.5 ohms. As per this calculator (http://www.cirris.com/testing/resistance/wire.html) one can easily get away with using 30 awg wire (VERY thin) over a distance of 50 feet (lawl). So no, thicker cables (assuming they have thicker copper) won't do anything for headphones outside of some truly bizarre cases like running a cable over a few miles.

TL;DR: Due to basic physics, premium cables that are marketed as means of improving sound for either speakers or headphones are complete bunk. There is however some value in having nice cables that are more durable or flexible, but those can be had at a modest price increase over lamp cord.
Well what about transitioning to a silver cable, which is what the aftermarket cables are.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Parak on Fri, 01 June 2012, 13:40:14
Quote from: Ragnorock;605729
Well what about transitioning to a silver cable, which is what the aftermarket cables are.

Silver is about 5-10% more conductive than copper, which means that you can have a cable thinner or longer by that amount and still have same results. So if a 50 foot silver cable of gauge X is of the recommended resistance, then you'd want a 45 foot cable of gauge X made of copper to meet same resistance. Alternatively, instead of the 5% of impedance figure mentioned, one could instead use 6.2% or so to calculate required wire gauge on the copper wire calculator.

So how much one would pay to get 5-10% more conductivity? 5-10% more? 20%? Nah, about 13,000% more, based on the recent prices for copper and silver.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ragnorock on Fri, 01 June 2012, 13:47:29
Interesting insight. Actually it makes me want to try it to see if I notice a difference. I'm pretty aware of the placebo effect when comparing gear so I could provide some feedback on whether the physics actually back up the subjective nature of audio preference. (Also just agree with me so I have an excuse to buy HD800s) XD
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Parak on Fri, 01 June 2012, 14:41:59
Well, speakers and headphones are definitely more subjective than objective, in both sound and comfort. I personally would prefer the rest of my gear to be firmly in the objective camp, which in order of potentially decreasing subjectivity (based on how much they /might/ change the sound signature), is amp -> dac -> interconnects. So I'd rather have uncolored sound by the first two devices there, and if I want, then I'd use a software EQ to fine tune it which is better than changing out the amp/dac entirely.

On that basis, premium is worth it if you personally like the comfort and sound signature of particular headphones or speakers. Not quite at all worth as much for proper amp/dac combo to match, and definitely not for cables. Of course, price/performance does affect this at some point - do $10,000 Stax phones sound 100 times better than ATH-AD700? Do I care if I'm a billionaire? :p

If you want to test cables, you'd ideally want to at least make sure that you have no way of telling which cables are currently connected :D
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Netdewt on Fri, 01 June 2012, 18:59:44
Quote from: Parak;605749
Silver is about 5-10% more conductive than copper, which means that you can have a cable thinner or longer by that amount and still have same results. So if a 50 foot silver cable of gauge X is of the recommended resistance, then you'd want a 45 foot cable of gauge X made of copper to meet same resistance. Alternatively, instead of the 5% of impedance figure mentioned, one could instead use 6.2% or so to calculate required wire gauge on the copper wire calculator.

So how much one would pay to get 5-10% more conductivity? 5-10% more? 20%? Nah, about 13,000% more, based on the recent prices for copper and silver.

A higher gauge copper cable is also more conducive.

I like this article @ Blue Jeans:
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/what-does-wire-gage-mean.htm

Also, as seen today in my office:
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Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 01 June 2012, 19:08:55
Quote from: litster;605568
No, I mean why isn't the cable that comes with the hd 800 isn't enough for a $1,500 pair of headphones?  You mean Ferrari sold you a supercar and it comes with bicycle wheels?


Upgraditus. Stock so it must suck. Audiophiles are like that.
http://www.stereotimes.com/cables062301.shtml we're in the land of the stupid. I am still waiting for people who claims they can hear the difference to ABX these to cheap lamp cord cables.
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1101/nordost.htm <- value for the money = 100.

Quote from: Parak;605674
TL;DR: Due to basic physics, premium cables that are marketed as means of improving sound for either speakers or headphones are complete bunk. There is however some value in having nice cables that are more durable or flexible, but those can be had at a modest price increase over lamp cord.


These kinda talks gets you banned from Head-Fi. Spot on though. As long as the cable is sufficiently thick for the length of the run, there are no differences. (or if there IS a difference, it means the cable is broken. Like the increased capacitance on some "audiophile cables").
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 01 June 2012, 19:41:16
tbh head-fi seems to have become a pretty terrible place. it used to be that the only place you could pretend that there were differences between cables without being banned was the DBT-free forum, and the only sponsors were jan meier and headroom.

in that respect i can kind of see where some of the backlash is coming from. some of it is definitely misguided, but much of it doesn't seem to be. head-fi used to be the sane alternative to audioasylum. now, it seems the asylum mentality's taken over :(
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 01 June 2012, 19:59:58
Head fi is too busy. Headcase isnt bad for a little info here and there, and innerfidelity is great for the technical side of things. In the end i couldnt care less what people say about cables/ dacs and what not. Either listen before you buy or buy it and eat sellbit if you dont like it.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: grave00 on Fri, 08 June 2012, 15:05:29
Quote from: mkawa;605951
tbh head-fi seems to have become a pretty terrible place. it used to be that the only place you could pretend that there were differences between cables without being banned was the DBT-free forum, and the only sponsors were jan meier and headroom.



I am a very recent user of headfi.  I didn't recall any suppression of opinions for people advocating for non-audiophile cables.  In fact, as I look at a thread on monoprice in the cabling subforum there, it's quite the opposite.  Plenty of them recommend them as just as good, with a few lamenting the stiffness.  Seems like a pretty freewheeling place to me.  I wouldn't be suprised if plenty of people there actively poo poo the idea that cables make a difference.  I think this is just misinformation.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Fri, 08 June 2012, 15:42:28
There has been moderator backlash when such opinions directly attack important sponsors of headfi.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Striketh on Thu, 19 July 2012, 21:40:56
Ah, I remember this thread. I originally posted in regards to having a pair of Denon D7000's. While GH was "on vacation" I picked up a pair of Grado RS2i's :)

Really love the contrast in sound with them. Got a pair of flat ear pads to replace the stock ones and they're really satisfying to listen to for my live, acoustic and orchestral recordings. I definitely recommend the flat ear pads, though, if you're going to pick these up as they definitely improve comfort (less pressure on your ears) and improve the quality of the bass.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Thu, 19 July 2012, 21:49:21
Hm, might as well post an update. I am now the proud owner of an Eric Barney headset stand... doesn't exactly go with my decor but it's nice to have something to keep my cans up in the air :)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Striketh on Thu, 19 July 2012, 21:54:48
Hm, might as well post an update. I am now the proud owner of an Eric Barney headset stand... doesn't exactly go with my decor but it's nice to have something to keep my cans up in the air :)

Ah, what's it look like? I am currently hanging my headphones off this classy piece of decor:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000H40UAO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

Cheap and it's nice and heavy so 3 pairs of headphones can hang off it with ease! :P

I used to use a banana hanger before, but as my collection has grown it was no longer sufficient. It's amazing how I've spent well over $1,500 on headphone stuff and about $30 in total on stands :)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Namkung on Fri, 20 July 2012, 01:19:04
First post since GH came back up!
Ordered a pair of hd800s. Should arrive early next week.
Hopefully the sound signature suits me better than my hd650s.
Will be driving them with little dot dac + mk iv se.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 20 July 2012, 11:13:58
My K550's earpads unglued itself at the seam. I had to pull it apart to get them to stick together again. Where the f do you order replacement pads?
I like how the earpads go on the K550. Just put the lip on the pads into the notch and rotate. Much less pain in the ass than Beyer. I am gonna notch my Beyer cups.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: IllegalAlien on Fri, 20 July 2012, 13:50:33
Bose Earpads are the worst ripoff.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Fri, 20 July 2012, 14:08:21
I've been listening to the DT880 Pro's daily at work since I got them.  I'm really happy with them for casual listening levels.  They strike a nice balance between open and closed sound.  I can still hear things around me, but it's much more subdued than the Senns.  My only gripe is that they are a bit on the heavy side...built like a tank, though.  They also mess up the hair on the sides of my head.  :)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: JaLKne on Fri, 20 July 2012, 19:57:18
Do you run your DT880s through an amp? I can't wait for my little dot MK III to get here.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Fri, 20 July 2012, 20:00:46
Yeah, a Fiio E17.  It can drive them just fine.  I have the 150ohm version.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: JaLKne on Sun, 22 July 2012, 16:24:38
Have you tired many portable amps? I've been considering that one for a while now, but it seems a bit bulky to me because I have a sansa clip+.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Kasperb22 on Sun, 22 July 2012, 17:58:30
Yeah, a Fiio E17.  It can drive them just fine.  I have the 150ohm version.

I have the E17 paired with an Ultrasone Pro 900. I highly recommend both!
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: M0rph3us on Sun, 22 July 2012, 21:34:03
I have a crappy Razer Piranha that I got for super cheap, but it works. Wish I had to money to get a good headset, but alas "I am just a poor boy, nobody loves me". :D
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Mon, 23 July 2012, 18:37:31
Have you tired many portable amps? I've been considering that one for a while now, but it seems a bit bulky to me because I have a sansa clip+.

Not really.  It sounds pretty good, but the Matix at my desk at home is a little better for some reason.  My job situation may be changing later this summer, such that I'll be taking a train to/from work.  If that happens I'll probably get a cMoy or similar.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 25 July 2012, 00:47:53
Why not use your E17?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Kronen on Sun, 29 July 2012, 11:57:47
Gotta love my Sennheiser 5(9)5s for a fraction of the cost :-).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvQ8PzBrHXE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvQ8PzBrHXE)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mvh11 on Sun, 29 July 2012, 12:43:38
Quote from: Ragnorock;605729
Well what about transitioning to a silver cable, which is what the aftermarket cables are.

Silver is about 5-10% more conductive than copper, which means that you can have a cable thinner or longer by that amount and still have same results. So if a 50 foot silver cable of gauge X is of the recommended resistance, then you'd want a 45 foot cable of gauge X made of copper to meet same resistance. Alternatively, instead of the 5% of impedance figure mentioned, one could instead use 6.2% or so to calculate required wire gauge on the copper wire calculator.

So how much one would pay to get 5-10% more conductivity? 5-10% more? 20%? Nah, about 13,000% more, based on the recent prices for copper and silver.
This is the best response I've ever seen to copper vs. silver argument.

The audiophile industry is mostly full of lies. Premium cables are one of those lies. More flexible cables are the only reason to pay more, but the premium on those are ridiculous as well. I'm a believer in using power cables to run my speakers. It works great and costs next to nothing. I don't have really high end speakers, but even if I did, I wouldn't be using "better" cables.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Christown on Mon, 30 July 2012, 01:01:51
I use Audio-Technica ATH-M50s hooked up to an Audioengine D1 DAC.

Awesome sound quality, highly recommend either product.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: mistakemistake on Mon, 06 August 2012, 09:57:00
I just use Etymotic hf3's. Nothing too exciting compared to what everyone else is rollin with.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: nathaniel_h on Mon, 06 August 2012, 22:45:51
I'm using the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pros, which I actually reviewed on my website! (http://rhino.im/5s) I'm using them with my Presonus AudioBox 44VSL as my audio interface (sound card), as I do voice recordings for Youtube.

(http://rhinofeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IMG_4176.jpg)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rudyzhou2 on Wed, 08 August 2012, 02:55:10
Any ultrasone fans here for electronica :D
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 08 August 2012, 07:46:50
I use a pair of Gateway2000-branded Altec Lansing computer speakers from 1997 on my main PC. They seem to get the job done OK. But I don't use much in the way of headphones.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Anynoupy on Wed, 08 August 2012, 08:34:36
Nothing much compared to what I saw in here, but still, my headphones :

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8430/7739712468_82e92876ff_o.jpg)

By Anynoupy (http://flickr.com/anynoupy).

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7254/7739700848_a1363590de_o.jpg)

Steelseries Siberia V2 Gold Edition. By Anynoupy (http://flickr.com/anynoupy).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8290/7739706718_e49bcc19f7_o.jpg)

Nokia BH-905i (Bluetooth Headset). By Anynoupy (http://flickr.com/anynoupy).
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: davkol on Wed, 08 August 2012, 11:55:08
Recently switched to HD 448, they're more comfortable for all-day use than HD 215. Thinking of getting a Grado SR60i.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 08 August 2012, 11:59:48
Will post my dt880/600 & dt770/250 premium  + fiio e17 + little dot mkiii once the little dot arrives! :P
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Striketh on Wed, 08 August 2012, 12:09:51
As long as you guys don't have those Dre Beats you're good. I just shake my head when I see people wearing them.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 08 August 2012, 12:19:34
As long as you guys don't have those Dre Beats you're good. I just shake my head when I see people wearing them.

You should read this thread for some lolz.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/619494/beats-are-magical-and-other-nearly-criminal-marketing-schemes
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Striketh on Wed, 08 August 2012, 13:53:30
As long as you guys don't have those Dre Beats you're good. I just shake my head when I see people wearing them.

You should read this thread for some lolz.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/619494/beats-are-magical-and-other-nearly-criminal-marketing-schemes

Oh yeah, I already knew about their marketing crap. That's one company I wish would get sued for spreading drivel to the masses.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 August 2012, 13:58:49
Still rockin' the DT880 Pros.
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Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 08 August 2012, 14:02:56
That sure looks like 880 printed on the cans...
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 August 2012, 14:36:17
Uh...yeah...duh.  Can't you read?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: sth on Wed, 08 August 2012, 15:11:55
Uh...yeah...duh.  Can't you read?
only headphones, not forum posts
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Namkung on Sat, 11 August 2012, 12:43:34
well.. gave my HD800 a good listen for 2 weeks now and I have to say that these sound absolutely amazing. I owned a pair of hd650s before and have listened to the dt990s (600ohm) which I don't feel are really headphones that I can fairly compare with the hd800s. My listening was done with little dot dac / hrt music streamer ii + little dot mk iv se with of course flac (16/44.1) files / wasapi mode on foobar.
There were lots of things that struck me right away when I listened to these headphones for the first time and it still keeps me amazed. The soundstage on this thing is amazing. if you really close your eyes it feels like you are there. I love listening mostly to classical and I have NEVER heard the Martha Argerich's legendary 1965 recording in the way I did with the 800s. Then there is the imaging? I am not sure if I am using the term correctly but with the hd800s it is very obvious where the sound is coming from. if the mic for the orchestra was positioned in the middle then you can very easily hear X and Y instruments coming from left / right side depending on where they are positioned. Even with non classical pieces, I have never heard many of my songs the way I did with the hd800s (Norah Jone's come away with me album comes to mind). I have read that the hd800s are a technological masterpiece and it really sounds just like that. It sounds like an extremely smart headphone. I could prob go on for a lot longer but the last thing I want to comment on is the bass. The bass with these phones are very clean and what surprised me the most was HOW the bass sounded. It almost sounded "3D" . the bass seemed to be multi layered and this is something I couldn't hear with the 650s that I had before. Again, the fact that these headphones are so "smart" is extremely apparent here. I posted pictures on the other thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33293.0) so I won't bother posting them here again.

Was reading through the last few pages of this thread and I found the cable discussion pretty interesting haha. I am a sucker for these things and have recabled all of my audio equipment (did not recable my hd800s yet but I will be purchasing moon audio's black dragon cable soon). I purchased a van den hul optical cable, jenna ultra's cryo treated copper rca interconnects, hospital grade power cables, monster clean power surge, and i recabled my hd650s with the oracles from enigma audio. Now I personally think I have pretty good ears when it comes to listening to music considering that I was born perfect pitch and learned / played piano for 15 years+ of my life. But I also know the placebo effect is VERY VERY real . Each time I got my new cables, I felt like I heard slight differences in the sound but after awhile I came to believe it was probably mostly / entirely just a placebo effect but even if I had the hindsight to see this, I would have bought the cables for aesthetic reasons alone. Dem cryo copper cables are sexy ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/cnrnB.jpg)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: IPT on Mon, 13 August 2012, 10:51:47
i had AKG K701, but sold them as i never really used them that much

i just use my Triple-Fi's now, and my AD700
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: emptyk on Tue, 14 August 2012, 09:21:43
Just got some MEElectronic M21 earphones as a cheap set for use at the gym, etc. Very pleased with the sound for only about $20.00. I think earphone technology is getting better and cheaper every year.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 14 August 2012, 19:54:42
Finally got my little dot mk III! It really does bring out the true strength of the dt 880/600 :D
Looking to upgrade to a Peachtree Dac*it if i can ever find one for a decent price.

PC usb -> E17 w/ L7 Line out -> monoprice premium RCA -> LDMKIII -> dt 880/600

(http://i.imgur.com/Ieqwf.jpg)

My "portable" setup: Sansa fuze 36gb -> LOD -> cardas cable -> E17 -> dt 770/250 premium

(http://i.imgur.com/mePDS.jpg)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: davkol on Wed, 12 September 2012, 06:14:46
Audio Technica ATH-AD500 just arrived.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Calade on Wed, 12 September 2012, 14:40:30
I've had a Sennheiser PC-360 headset for quite some time now, and they're the most comfortable thing to ever touch my head. Better than pillows, I'm telling you. Perfect for hours and hours and hours of gaming, since your ears don't start to hurt at all. Sound quality in both input and output is also really good, but the bass is not always as deep as one would hope when listening to music. Really solid and stylish piece of gear, too.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: csm725 on Mon, 17 September 2012, 12:07:11
Everyone in here with the fancy gear makes me jealous...
(http://i.imgur.com/VvZgV.jpg)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Drakan290 on Sat, 22 September 2012, 18:13:23
Just picked up a set of DT990 premiums and an E17 to pair with my E9. I think I'm in love, upgrading from e9+700PROmk2's
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 22 September 2012, 18:25:27
I may have missed the post, but I'm surprised no one has any IEMs

http://www.jhaudio.com/product/jh5-pro-custom-ear-monitor

I ordered these in January, they didn't like the molds I sent them and I've been too lazy ever since to get another set to them.  I should probably do that someday soon.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: modulor on Mon, 24 September 2012, 10:52:23
I may have missed the post, but I'm surprised no one has any IEMs

http://www.jhaudio.com/product/jh5-pro-custom-ear-monitor

I ordered these in January, they didn't like the molds I sent them and I've been too lazy ever since to get another set to them.  I should probably do that someday soon.

I've got a set of HiFiMan RE-262's that I love, but I prefer full headphones personally.  I've never tried, or considered, custom molded IEM's...but they seem interesting and I imagine would offer maximum comfort (one reason I prefer full headphones).
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tcv on Mon, 24 September 2012, 17:53:54
Currently have the SRH940.

I've owned Sennheiser 555, Audio Technica M50s and Steelseries 7H.

Shure headphones are great but Sennheiser is probably the best brand.

ATH was good and I didn't enjoy the Steelseries headphones.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 29 September 2012, 03:42:35
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Denon AH-D5000's and and O2 amp  :cool:
Title: Re: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tcv on Sun, 30 September 2012, 16:45:05
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Denon AH-D5000's and and O2 amp  :cool:

Those are sick. I looked at them and some Beyerdynamics before my last purchase.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 30 September 2012, 20:50:55
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Denon AH-D5000's and and O2 amp  :cool:

Those are sick. I looked at them and some Beyerdynamics before my last purchase.
Thanks, they are the first higher end cans I purchased. I was literally in tears the first time I used them, couldn't believe how much I wasn't hearing before with my M-50's. My next goal is a pair of Audeze LCD 3's.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Will@MD on Tue, 02 October 2012, 02:43:44
Any love for the thunderpants mod? Was one of the first guys on head-fi to embark on that quest. This is a pic I took before putting the drivers back in and wiring them up.

(http://i.imgur.com/h8cp5.jpg)

Made some damn nice cables for them as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/BT18C.jpg)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Tue, 02 October 2012, 03:06:58
I have sony mdr-v6's and am looking at a pair denon ah-d2000's to replace them. Also looking at beyerdynamic dv 797 PV's for a nice headset. I also have maudio bx5a v2's which i place to replace with Adam A3X's. I have no clue if all of these even have the same sound profile.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Internauta on Tue, 02 October 2012, 19:42:00
Looking to buy some headphones, my budget is around hundred-fitty. I think that would be reasonable price range if I got a decent sound card, such as the Asus Xonar DX http://tinyurl.com/8lh4vos (not included in ideal budget)

Any suggestions on what to buy? I'm afraid to buy something and try it since many headphones are uncomfortable since I have glasses, mainly on the bumpy bus ride(s) for 2 hours a day. Listen to heavy metal and electronic mainly, so a clean EQ would be ideal.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 02 October 2012, 19:48:13
Looking to buy some headphones, my budget is around hundred-fitty. I think that would be reasonable price range if I got a decent sound card, such as the Asus Xonar DX[url]http://www.amazon.com/PCI-Express-Channel-XONAR_DX-XD-90-YAA060-1UAN00Z/dp/B0017DJXG6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1349224629&sr=8-7&keywords=asus+soundcard/url] (not included in ideal budget)

Any suggestions on what to buy? I'm afraid to buy something and try it since many headphones are uncomfortable since I have glasses, mainly on the bumpy bus ride(s) for 2 hours a day. Listen to heavy metal and electronic mainly, so a clean EQ would be ideal.

Wait... so is this for portable or home use? A ultrasone HFI-580 (with velour pads) might be a good choice if you don't plan on getting a amp. It's on the bassy side, but what would be "clean" to you?

Maybe a noontec zoro? Creative Aurvana live? They're highly praised by tyll, one of the most influential people in the headphone biz.

On a side note... I ordered a dt990/600 last week and got it on wednesday. Have to say that I don't like the brightness of the dt990 compared to the 880. The bass was nice for some genres, but I didn't appreciate the thumping most of the time. Gonna have to send them back sometime this week.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Internauta on Tue, 02 October 2012, 20:29:31
Looking to buy some headphones, my budget is around hundred-fitty. I think that would be reasonable price range if I got a decent sound card, such as the Asus Xonar DX[url]http://www.amazon.com/PCI-Express-Channel-XONAR_DX-XD-90-YAA060-1UAN00Z/dp/B0017DJXG6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1349224629&sr=8-7&keywords=asus+soundcard/url] (not included in ideal budget)

Any suggestions on what to buy? I'm afraid to buy something and try it since many headphones are uncomfortable since I have glasses, mainly on the bumpy bus ride(s) for 2 hours a day. Listen to heavy metal and electronic mainly, so a clean EQ would be ideal.

Wait... so is this for portable or home use? A ultrasone HFI-580 (with velour pads) might be a good choice if you don't plan on getting a amp. It's on the bassy side, but what would be "clean" to you?

Maybe a noontec zoro? Creative Aurvana live? They're highly praised by tyll, one of the most influential people in the headphone biz.

On a side note... I ordered a dt990/600 last week and got it on wednesday. Have to say that I don't like the brightness of the dt990 compared to the 880. The bass was nice for some genres, but I didn't appreciate the thumping most of the time. Gonna have to send them back sometime this week.
A bit of both, portable wouldn't be essential to have great audio but definitely a more enjoyable listening experience than these low-range in ear buds ive used for years. Id say any EQ that doesn't make metal and rock sound muddy, since it what I mostly listen to. I don't have much experience with audio, which may reflect my inaccurate opinions, but would love to get into audio! Ill check out those headphones and similar ones, thanks!
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 02 October 2012, 20:39:49
If you can spend a little more, and don't mind IEMs, go for a VSonic gr07. They're amazing flat, and slightly warm sounding IEMS. I love how they sound with my Fiio e17 and +4 treble. Pretty good instrumental separation and detail. They also come with lots of tips, so one is bound to fit you properly.

They're my current choice of IEMs for portable/private listening.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 02 October 2012, 21:27:55
Looking to buy some headphones, my budget is around hundred-fitty. I think that would be reasonable price range if I got a decent sound card, such as the Asus Xonar DX http://tinyurl.com/8lh4vos (not included in ideal budget)

Any suggestions on what to buy? I'm afraid to buy something and try it since many headphones are uncomfortable since I have glasses, mainly on the bumpy bus ride(s) for 2 hours a day. Listen to heavy metal and electronic mainly, so a clean EQ would be ideal.
Try the Audio Technica M50's. They are an amazing entry level audiophile quality set. Careful, audio can be  even more of a slippery slope than keyboards when it comes to your wallet and addiction.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 02 October 2012, 21:55:45
The ATH m50's are nice, but they are NOT comfortable for glasses users. They clamp very hard, and the leather doesn't distribute the clamp very well. The HFI-580 is in the same price range, and is much more comfortable if you get velour pads for them.

Edit: Would also like to add the v-moda m-80. Very good SQ but comfort may be questionable. I've tried them out, and they clamped fairly hard but my friend told me that you can stretch out the headband so that it doesn't clamp as hard.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: _js_ on Wed, 03 October 2012, 17:39:45
I have a Macbook Pro with Apogee Duet (FireWire version) and Grado SR225's.  For mobile listening, just an iPhone 4 and Sennheiser PX100's.  Wish they still sold those.  Don't like the PX100 II's nearly as much.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: swagpiratex on Wed, 03 October 2012, 17:46:43
Going to cop a pair of DT770 Pro/250 today that I found off Craigslist :D

Will post how they are, will be driven by a dinosaur of a receiver. Pictures to come.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 17:49:02
I love mine :)   and that's driven by a crap $20 Behringer headphone distro amp (4 outputs).
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 03 October 2012, 20:08:54
Going to cop a pair of DT770 Pro/250 today that I found off Craigslist :D

Will post how they are, will be driven by a dinosaur of a receiver. Pictures to come.

Nice! They'll serve you well as long as you power them properly.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 04 October 2012, 01:23:57
Quote
Going to cop a pair of DT770 Pro/250 today that I found off Craigslist :D<br /><br />Will post how they are, will be driven by a dinosaur of a receiver. Pictures to come.
Lucky dog i wish that stuff popped up in my area.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: swagpiratex on Thu, 04 October 2012, 02:47:09
Best part is I copped both for $190 total :o

(http://i.imgur.com/56Qg5.jpg)

Kept the receiver that my grandparents bought when they moved to America. Unfortunately they aren't around for me to ask how old the receivers are, but it seems like they drive my DT770 Pro/250's pretty well. Very different from the Grados that I trashed in HS.

(http://i.imgur.com/CNCsV.jpg) (http://imgur.com/CNCsV)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lethal Squirrel on Thu, 04 October 2012, 15:10:34
Ahhh man. I'm jelly of all these nice headphone/amp setups.  All I have is a pair of AKG k240's and a Dayton DTA-100a amp. (http://i.imgur.com/0lraY.jpg)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Thu, 04 October 2012, 18:13:50
Older receivers will power headphones very well since they were intended for headphones with really high impedances.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: swagpiratex on Thu, 04 October 2012, 19:27:46
Woot, that's a relief :D
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Internauta on Thu, 04 October 2012, 21:58:11
So I was thinking about the AudioTechnica M50s. Just a question, would it be better to spend a bit more on the headphones, or get the M50s and  an amp? I wouldn't mind not having an amp for portable listening.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Thu, 04 October 2012, 22:03:18
A amp isn't gonna do too much for the M50s as they're already very efficient and don't scale up too well. What's your budget? Are you only looking for portable headphones?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lethal Squirrel on Thu, 04 October 2012, 22:32:53
Okay, i have a question for anyone willing to answer. I have a pair of AKG K240's as you can tell from above. I've been feeling unsatisfied with them lately and have thought about upgrading. I've been looking at the DT 770 PRO's for a while. Do you think those would be a good upgrade? I know that the AKG's are open and the beyerdynamic's aren't so it's a bit different to compare. but as far as actual quality goes, how much better are they? Maybe you have a different suggestion? I like it a taaaad on the bassy side, which is what I the akg's seem to lack.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Thu, 04 October 2012, 22:37:50
Quote
- 80Ohm (PRO)

The 80Ohm model has the most bass out of all the DT770 models. The bass is nice and pronounced with having good impact and depth, though when under amped it can have a mind of it's own. When underamped the bass gets bloated and flabby. The mids are probably the fullest of the DT770 line up but still on the recessed side. The treble is presented nicely although it sounds like it slightly rolled off. The treble is also the smoothest of the DT770 line. The soundstage is smaller then the rest though and certainly smaller than the DT770/250Ohm, most likely due to the bass and treble. This ehadphone it really good for rock, rap, metal, and any other bassy music genre's.

 

-250Ohm (PRO)

The Pro version sounds almost the same but the thing that is most different is the clamping force of the headband. It clamps quite tight, while the other models have a looser fit. Also the soundstage on this model seems smaller cause of the clamp and the bass is also pronounced because of the clamp as well. Other than that it sounds the same.

Source (http://www.head-fi.org/t/513393/guide-sonic-differences-between-dt770-dt990-models-more)

You might find the bass that you're looking for in the 80ohm pro version. Is there any place where you can try them out first? Maybe look into Ultrasones, they're very bassy.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 04 October 2012, 22:45:01
The 250Ohm need an amp to produce bass, without an amp it's obviously missing. As for head clamping, I don't find them to be tight at all.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lethal Squirrel on Thu, 04 October 2012, 22:58:23
I have a dayton DTA-100a amp : )
Not sure if that would be adequate for it.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Thu, 04 October 2012, 23:13:46
I have a dayton DTA-100a amp : )
Not sure if that would be adequate for it.

Not sure how much voltage it will output @ 250ohms... but it'll be better than having no amp. Again, look into ultrasones. I feel that the dt770 is weak compared to the dt880 as long as your not listening in an noisy environment.

Clamping is pretty subjective, and it's a huge deal if you wear glasses. A new premium beyer headphone to me clamps slightly hard, but not nearly as hard as the M50s did when i first got them. The beyer's clamp problem can be easily fixed by bending the headband to 180 degrees or more.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: RickyJ on Fri, 05 October 2012, 13:54:57
My 990Pro are comfortable with my glasses. I game for hours without any discomfort.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Fri, 05 October 2012, 14:53:14
My 990Pro are comfortable with my glasses. I game for hours without any discomfort.

The dt880 and dt990 share the same earpads, so i'd have to agree.

Edit: didnt see the pro, but yeah you can still stretch out the headband on the pros anyways.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Fri, 05 October 2012, 16:01:38
I did find the 880Pro's head band to be a little tight.  Easy to adjust, though.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Will@MD on Fri, 05 October 2012, 18:34:43
My 990Pro are comfortable with my glasses. I game for hours without any discomfort.

Really? I have those gunnar glasses and DT990's. Are the pro earpads more cushy?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: justin one on Fri, 05 October 2012, 21:54:31
I used to rock the ATH-AD700s but switched to HD555s. Modded them to HD595s and they're great.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Sat, 06 October 2012, 06:07:11
My 990Pro are comfortable with my glasses. I game for hours without any discomfort.

Really? I have those gunnar glasses and DT990's. Are the pro earpads more cushy?

The pro and the premium use the same earpads.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 10 October 2012, 21:08:39
So I haven't listen to my 990 in awhile, so I dug it up and haven't left my head in a few hours. Not sure why I enjoy listening to piano on this. Currently listening to: http://www.amazon.com/The-Chopin-Collection-Artur-Rubinstein/dp/B000026OW3/
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 10 October 2012, 21:35:38
So I haven't listen to my 990 in awhile, so I dug it up and haven't left my head in a few hours. Not sure why I enjoy listening to piano on this. Currently listening to: http://www.amazon.com/The-Chopin-Collection-Artur-Rubinstein/dp/B000026OW3/

What do you normally use?
Title: Re: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tcv on Mon, 15 October 2012, 23:24:31
I used to rock the ATH-AD700s but switched to HD555s. Modded them to HD595s and they're great.

I miss my hd555s. :(
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Tue, 16 October 2012, 04:57:58
Oh forgot about this thread. I been listening to HD600. My general purpose phone on the computer is my 880/600 though.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pexon on Wed, 17 October 2012, 10:38:48
I am currently re-wiring and sleeving my DT770's, so I'll report back in a few days with the results!  :cool:
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: asura on Wed, 17 October 2012, 11:28:22
Not really a headphone person... Have a pair of Sennheiser in-ears (no idea what model, no in-line volume control) which are either in my SansaClip, or plugged into an X-FI card in my computer...  I've never really had the need for cans in my life...

However, I am currently enjoying the noise from a pair of Goodmans K2's (circa 1970) that I just finished renovating; replacement of one 12" driver and one 2.75" tweet with matching units from a donor cab, finally replacing the naff, powdering acoustic foam used to seat the drivers with neoprene tubing.  They're currently being driven by a NAD C340 with a NAD C541 as the source... but those could both be changing soonish.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 17 October 2012, 21:21:32
I demand more pics of setups! Feed me! Some pretty tube amps would be nice to see.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: asura on Thu, 18 October 2012, 13:01:13
I have a prime lens on the way, so when it arrives I'll take some photos.  Still no where near perfect - I want an active crossover so that I can split the pre-amp signal from the 340 for the K2 drivers; mids+tweets on my C340 power channels, and a 3020 each for the bass.  I have a couple of "spare" 12" drivers floating around for which I might knock up a horn cab for...
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Seltox on Fri, 19 October 2012, 05:02:50
Audio Technica M50s, out of an Asus Xonar Essence STX.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ux4dzl.jpg)
(http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87326&stc=1&d=1224607642)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: swagpiratex on Fri, 19 October 2012, 11:10:40
damn, that would sound nice....
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ranviper on Fri, 19 October 2012, 12:46:52
Plantronics gamecom 377. Great headset for 40 bucks. Very good virtual surround and the mic is clear and crisp.

(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6709/001mxi.jpg)

I use it in conjunction with an Asus Xonar 5.1 card. Works well.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Seltox on Fri, 19 October 2012, 12:49:57
I have some Gamecom 777's here too, actually.  They were really quite comfortable, but after a few straight hours made my left ear hurt.  Sounded great for the price though, and the mic was good!
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Scottyyy on Thu, 25 October 2012, 01:38:51
I need new earpads for my Denon D5000s. I wonder if Denon sell replacements :x
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pexon on Fri, 26 October 2012, 17:37:13
Got my Fostex T50RP in the post the other day... SOOOOO NICE! Gonna go hella mad on the mods on 'em
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Dabboo on Fri, 26 October 2012, 20:11:32
I'm really liking the BeyerDynamic DT770 PROs, I think I'll be buying some of them really soon. God damn, now I'm addicted to key caps and headphones.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: pexon on Sat, 27 October 2012, 07:06:37
The DT770's are epic phones for the price.
Title: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ACallander on Sat, 27 October 2012, 07:51:53
So I wonder, what's a good headset for 50% gaming (fps) and 50% music (classic rock, blues, rock, etc...)

Anyone have any recommendations?

Preferably with a mic but if not what mic to recommend?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Sat, 27 October 2012, 08:37:54
Mod mic is pretty popular...  I am quite happy with my DT770 Pro 250's for everything.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: davkol on Sat, 27 October 2012, 17:02:05
So I wonder, what's a good headset for 50% gaming (fps) and 50% music (classic rock, blues, rock, etc...)

Anyone have any recommendations?

Preferably with a mic but if not what mic to recommend?
ATH-AD700 are recommended for gaming (I have a slightly worse version (AD500), and it's great for the price, but not so much for rock/metal), Grados for music with distorted guitars. Neither have a mic. If you really want a headset, Sennheiser PC 360 are quite good in fact, one of my friends loves them.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Scurq on Tue, 30 October 2012, 20:12:39
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Ux4dzl.jpg)


I got those on my head right now, without the s (straight cable) and i love em, eargasm.
I also got some HD598 and AKG K 242
im probably going to buy a decent DAC and a amp for them.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Dabboo on Wed, 31 October 2012, 23:41:11
Look what came in the mail today!

(http://i.imgur.com/i0rJa.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CWUvK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gLyik.jpg)


I still need an amp to balance them out as the one side seems to be slightly bassier but it's only a tiny amount, most people wouldn't notice it. I'll likely get the Fiio E10.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: winzds on Fri, 02 November 2012, 13:55:43
Sennheiser pc 360
Title: Re: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tcv on Sun, 04 November 2012, 06:22:02
Look what came in the mail today!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/i0rJa.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CWUvK.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gLyik.jpg)



I still need an amp to balance them out as the one side seems to be slightly bassier but it's only a tiny amount, most people wouldn't notice it. I'll likely get the Fiio E10.

Those look really sick.

I still think next time I buy a pair of head phones i'm going with sennheiser or an expensive IEM headphone
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lethal Squirrel on Sun, 04 November 2012, 19:35:05
Anyone know why my new 250ohm DT 770 PROs are crackling and distorting when I play digital piano with them?

seems to happen most with d# and e.

I know its not the piano because its fine with other headphones
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Sun, 04 November 2012, 19:40:32
Sounds like bad amping.  Quickest way to get similar results in windows:  Set software volume to low, set soundcard volume to high, set headphone amp volume to low...   Or something like that.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lethal Squirrel on Sun, 04 November 2012, 19:43:24
I'm plugged directly into the piano though, and it's fine with my AKG K240s : /

Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Lethal Squirrel on Sun, 04 November 2012, 19:49:04
well, I just plugged my amp into the piano, then the headphones into the amp, and same results. I dont notice any distortion with my AKGs, and I dont notice any distortion when listening to music with the DT 770s, I guess there must be some frequency that the headphones just dont like from the piano, idk.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Sun, 04 November 2012, 22:21:10
I used my DT880 Pros daily, but I have to say that Sennheiser builds more comfortable pairs.  The 880s get heavy after several hours, which tends to bother the crown of my head.  My modded HD-558s don't have the problem, since they are all plastic.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 07 November 2012, 21:44:54
It may be the thin cushion on the headband of the Pro. You can stuff it with some foam to see if it helps. The headband cushion is only held on with snaps, so easily done/reversible.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Ascaii on Fri, 09 November 2012, 06:10:58
I got myself a pair of Sennheiser HD598s about 3 months ago and the difference to my old 280s was immense...last week, I received my Fiio e10 from amazon.
I didn`t think it would make as big a difference as it did...but Im reexperiencing a lot of music since I am running this combo. I can definitely recommend this low cost DAC.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Fri, 09 November 2012, 11:32:03
I went from the HD428 to the HD558 and removed the foam baffle (which is supposed to make them more like the 598).  They are completely different headphones just driven by a laptop, so there really isn't a comparison.  :)  I'm driving them with a Martix Mini-I and they sound great.  I'm still tempted to pickup a set of 650s, but I just don't think the price hike is worth it.

I also have a Fiio (E17), which does a pretty good job at driving the DT880 Pros.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bavman on Fri, 09 November 2012, 12:09:45
Anyone here have any comfort issues with the ATH M50s? I just got mine a couple days ago and they put pressure right under my ear were my jaws are...It gets uncomfortable to have them on for more than 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Fri, 09 November 2012, 12:15:32
The E17 can drive the 250ohm beyers fine, but are inadequate for the 600ohms. Ahh someone lend me their hd 600/650 so that I can try it out with my rig! I can lend you my dt770/250 :O
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Fri, 09 November 2012, 12:17:05
Anyone here have any comfort issues with the ATH M50s? I just got mine a couple days ago and they put pressure right under my ear were my jaws are...It gets uncomfortable to have them on for more than 5 minutes.

I did when I first got my M50s during the summer. You can stretch out the headband by leaving the headphones between some pillows or books. It should get better after a day or two of doing that.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 09 November 2012, 12:42:09
Are soundcards really worth it? If so what's the best one around $70? Or am I better off buying an amp?


BTW I have Audio Technica AD700s but I'm looking to upgrade somewhat soon
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Fri, 09 November 2012, 12:49:18
I stopped buying sound cards since the early Audigy days, as the on-board chips had improved enough that they worked reasonably well.  For audio, I've gone with combo DAC/amps running off of a digital output so that you can get a clean analog path away from the noisy PC environment.  That way the DAC can stay through multiple PC generations.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Fri, 09 November 2012, 13:30:41
If you game a lot, get a soundcard for the processing effects. Otherwise it'll be better to get a dedicated amp/dac.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ChaoticKinesis on Fri, 09 November 2012, 13:54:14
Disagree about the need for processing effects. I had a Xonar DX and hated its Dolby Headphone feature, along with every other surround effect offered. The benefits of DSP are very subjective.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Fri, 09 November 2012, 14:10:10
A lot of people prefer the EAX effects on creative cards. I don't play any game that would give me a substantial benefit from processing effects, so I can't comment on that. On the other hand, a sound card will give you a banded EQ if your onboard chip doesn't have it.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 09 November 2012, 14:34:48
So DAC > AMP > Soundcard?


What's a good DAC around $70? Any good amps around that price?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Fri, 09 November 2012, 14:47:29
So DAC > AMP > Soundcard?


What's a good DAC around $70? Any good amps around that price?

A soundcard is a DAC, but usually when we say DAC, we mean a stand-alone DAC. Generally if you don't have an amp, it will give you a bigger benefit than a dac would, especially for a full sized headphone or for higher impedance headphones.

At $70, I would suggest the Fiio E10 as a dac/amp. The E7 is an alternative if you would like to use it as a portable amp as well. I have a E17 that i use for my portable setup, and I love it with my Vsonic gr07.

If you don't want a combo, the DAC destroyer(ebay) is a good choice for a budget DAC. This (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Class-A-Hybrid-Tube-Headphone-Amplifier-6N11-Pre-AMP-/120698390588?pt=US_Home_Audio_Amplifiers_Preamps&hash=item1c1a2f483c) or this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Class-Hybrid-Tube-Headphone-Amplifier-6922EH-Pre-AMP-/110661860034?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c3f5fac2) would make a pretty good choice too. I've never used any of these myself, but they have been recommended on headfi quite a few times.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aggiejy on Sat, 10 November 2012, 22:41:21
I got myself a pair of Sennheiser HD598s about 3 months ago and the difference to my old 280s was immense...last week, I received my Fiio e10 from amazon.
I didn`t think it would make as big a difference as it did...but Im reexperiencing a lot of music since I am running this combo. I can definitely recommend this low cost DAC.

Funny, I just ordered 598s yesterday, and got a Fiio e10 yesterday.  Looking forward to trying them out! 

I had Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 before as people said they were super comfortable.  I found them like head clamps.  So I ordered a pair of AKG K 272 HD which I got yesterday, also on the recommendation they are among the most comfortable.  They're not head clamps, but the top strap was pulling pretty hard against the top of my head due to the stretchy elastic.  I don't think I have a big head, but who knows... nothing seems to feel good for extended listening.  Or I'm just a whiney *****. :)   

Anyway, hoping the 598s are as comfortable as the reviews suggest, but I guess my track record isn't great.  (Don't get me started on in-ear stuff...)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Sat, 10 November 2012, 22:49:03
Interesting, they actually sell a 770/80 model with even more severe clamping according to what I've read (the 770 M).  It's supposed to be for 'drummers and monitoring purposes'

I find my 770/250 Pros to be very comfy although after a few hours the band does press down into my poor head.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aggiejy on Sat, 10 November 2012, 22:55:28
Yeah, I successfully stretched them a bit and they were much better.  They certainly weren't uncomfortable for short sessions.  I guess my problem is that I usually leave my headphones on all day while working.  Hard to find much that's comfortable for 8-10 hours.  Sadly, the least fatiguing I have are <shudder>Bose</shudder> AE2.  But even then, the fake leather (or whatever it is) makes my ears sweat after a while.  And they don't sound all that good, not that I claim to be a snobby audiophile or anything. :)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 10 November 2012, 23:04:38
I can wear my  Audio Technica AD700s all day with minimal adjustments. They are the only headphones I've used but they are so comfortable it's ridiculous
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aggiejy on Sat, 10 November 2012, 23:10:03
I can wear my  Audio Technica AD700s all day with minimal adjustments. They are the only headphones I've used but they are so comfortable it's ridiculous
Yeah! I was looking at some Audio Technica's with that same type suspension system... looked super comfortable!  It's just that it looked similar to the AKG pair I just got (which weren't perfect) so I thought I'd try a traditional top strap with more padding (the Sennheiser 598).  But if that doesn't work, I might try some like yours!
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 19 November 2012, 02:40:10
So my  motherboard has a Realtek ALC898, I see that the Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD is coming on sale soon. So is a $100 DAC still better than that? Or am I better off investing in better headphones (current and only pair, AD700s)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102033&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL111912&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL111912-_-EMC-111912-Index-_-SoundCards-_-29102033-L07B


Also, I've had some compliant about my mic. I've tried 2 different mics, both were the $10 desktop Logitech ones, is it the mic or the onboard soundcard  that is the issue with low audio input (my headphones sound fine)?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: ChaoticKinesis on Mon, 19 November 2012, 03:36:46
I'd skip the sound card and put my money toward headphones. The difference will be far more noticeable.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 19 November 2012, 03:58:28
Spend the 100 on a real dac to power your phones
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: codymaust on Tue, 27 November 2012, 00:24:39
Old pic, but... Beyer Dt770
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/1pp7v1thjuz3kcn/2009-12-31%2023.00.00-11.jpg)

Into a Fiio E10
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aggiejy on Wed, 28 November 2012, 22:31:57
Just to followup - I posted a few weeks back about looking for a comfortable headphones. 

I had previous owned DT 770 Pro 80s, which were comfortable but headclamps.  (Stretching didn't seem to help much.)

So then I ordered a pair of AKG K272 HD (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0028N78KC/)s.  They had glorious comfort reviews, but I thought they pulled down on the top of my head harder than if they were just sitting on there due to the elastic tention on the auto-adjusting headband.  Such a weird thing.

Anyway, I returned those a few days later (to Amazon) and ordered Sennheiser HD 598 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042A8CW2/)s. 

[attachimg=1]

OMG... they didn't look like they'd be more comfortable than the AKGs, but man, they are wonderful.  I guess I have a sensitive head or something, because I pretty much think everything is uncomfortable, but these are wonderful.  I do sometimes wear a hat if I'll have them on all day for both the dreaded hair impression and also because it's a bit more comfortable.

Oh, they sound great too. I use them with a Fiio E10.  (But, comfort is 9/10 importance to me, sound is much less.)

That said, it's hard to beat a Bose AE2 headphones for their SUPER light weight.  Problem there is that the ear cups are a fake kind of leather that can sometimes sweat.  Plus, they don't sound good (relatively).

Edit: I also just noticed after posting this than Amazon dropped the price $25 in the past few weeks. :-/  Great value though.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: tufty on Thu, 29 November 2012, 02:38:39
Sennheisers are lovely.  Swear by 'em.  My HD490s, which replaced my HD430s (which were killed by my parent's sodding jack russell terrier after 14 years of sterling service), are 20 years old now, have traveled around the world with me, and sound as good as they ever did.  Lovely cans, although they are ripe for a foam replacement.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: timofonic on Thu, 29 November 2012, 10:38:44
I'm quite interested in getting some great headphones. But I would like to use a microphone for voip and such.

What about those Sennheiser headphones for gamers? Are those with the same audio quality than the ones more suited for Audiophiles?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 29 November 2012, 12:40:14
You are better off getting good headphones that suit you and a separate mic, such as the modmic (http://www.modmic.com/).
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Thu, 29 November 2012, 12:52:33
Guys, vote for the Little Dot MK IV at massdrop! I have the MK III and it is a wonderful tube amp paired with the M8161 tubes and the dt880/600.

https://www.massdrop.com/poll
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bavman on Thu, 29 November 2012, 13:06:29
Quick question guys. I've decided to go with the NwAvGuy Objective2 amp since I can build it myself for around $40-50 (diy pcb + ac power adapter + my own custom enclosure) vs premade which is ~$150ish, but I'd like a DAC to go alone with it. I can get the objectiveDAC preassembled pcb for $100 (since theres no DIY options for it) which can be soldered to the O2 amp to create a DAC/AMP combo.  I feel like its a good deal since JDS sells the amp/dac combo for $295 and I'd only be paying ~$150 or so. Do I have a better option at that price point (either $150 combo or a $100 DAC to pair with the amp)?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: timofonic on Thu, 29 November 2012, 14:10:20
You are better off getting good headphones that suit you and a separate mic, such as the modmic (http://www.modmic.com/).

Are there distributors in Europe?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: rknize on Thu, 29 November 2012, 14:14:54
Quick question guys. I've decided to go with the NwAvGuy Objective2 amp since I can build it myself for around $40-50 (diy pcb + ac power adapter + my own custom enclosure) vs premade which is ~$150ish, but I'd like a DAC to go alone with it. I can get the objectiveDAC preassembled pcb for $100 (since theres no DIY options for it) which can be soldered to the O2 amp to create a DAC/AMP combo.  I feel like its a good deal since JDS sells the amp/dac combo for $295 and I'd only be paying ~$150 or so. Do I have a better option at that price point (either $150 combo or a $100 DAC to pair with the amp)?

At that price, it will be hard to find a combo that specs as well as the ODAC.  I have the Matrix Mini-i myself, but considered the ODAC.  i don't have any personal experience with it, but it gets good reviews in DIY circles.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Alessandro on Thu, 29 November 2012, 14:37:40
Anyone else going to give some love to the HD598s? :)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Kabuks on Thu, 29 November 2012, 17:15:20
I swap my Astro a40's between my pc and ps3 for gaming.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bace on Fri, 30 November 2012, 22:37:59
Anyone else going to give some love to the HD598s? :)

I'm thinking of getting a set of HD 598s. I'm looking for a good all rounder for music, movies/shows, and gaming. I currently have a set of Q701 that might give to a friend so I'm looking for a replacement.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: davkol on Sat, 01 December 2012, 04:30:46
Rocking Grados SR60i with bowls ("comfort" pads were just ridiculous).
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Makeo on Tue, 04 December 2012, 05:14:52
Had my A700 for a few years now, and I must say they have been amazing. But it's getting about that time to upgrade, so i'm looking for a new pair soon. Looking for a mid-high(ish) cans with an amp. Think I have it narrowed to the DT880's or 990's, or the HD600/650's and possibly the Lil dot MK III for the amp. But not too sure yet as i'm still doing research. Anyone have any other inputs on the DT's or HD's?

Here's my a700's with a lil stand i made for them and my future cans too!

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/Makeo/a700nstand.jpg)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 04 December 2012, 06:41:41
Makeo, I can recommend you the Dt880/600 or the dt990/600 with the little dot mkIII as that is my current setup. I do prefer the dt880 over the 990 though, because I bought the 990 once and I felt the treble was too much for me, and i preferred the neutrality of the dt880. The dt880's sound signature works for just about any genre. As for the little dot, try to get the mullard m8161 tubes for them because those tubes really bring out the details and soundstage, and simply makes the mids come alive.

Be sure to check up on massdrop within the next week or so, they might have a groupbuy on the little dot mk iv. I hope that this helped!
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: durainello on Tue, 04 December 2012, 09:04:28
Ah...a familiar place
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: codymaust on Tue, 04 December 2012, 10:41:31
Just throwing this out there... If any of you guys are looking custom mods or custom cabling, Brian Goto at http://btg-audio.webs.com is worth consideration.

I had my DT770's modded by him and his work really is exceptional. He's very well known over at the Head-Fi forums.


In other news, I'm in the market for a pair of openback cans.. I love my 770s but I just hate the isolation sometimes. I was thinking Grados, but I have no way of testing anything, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bace on Tue, 04 December 2012, 10:52:09
I'm getting my HD 598s in today! can't wait!
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 04 December 2012, 11:19:16
Just throwing this out there... If any of you guys are looking custom mods or custom cabling, Brian Goto at http://btg-audio.webs.com is worth consideration.

I had my DT770's modded by him and his work really is exceptional. He's very well known over at the Head-Fi forums.


In other news, I'm in the market for a pair of openback cans.. I love my 770s but I just hate the isolation sometimes. I was thinking Grados, but I have no way of testing anything, unfortunately.

Thanks for the link! I'm gonna consider getting my dt880 recabled or detachable cable modded. You should really get the dt880 if you love your 770.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Alessandro on Tue, 04 December 2012, 11:23:12
I'm getting my HD 598s in today! can't wait!

You're going to love them!

Test out the amazing soundstage, the first thing you need to watch is the Virtual Barber Shop video.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: bace on Tue, 04 December 2012, 11:31:57
I'm getting my HD 598s in today! can't wait!

You're going to love them!

Test out the amazing soundstage, the first thing you need to watch is the Virtual Barber Shop video.

roger!
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 04 December 2012, 15:50:51
Selling my dt770/250 if anyone is interested, check out my classifieds thread.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=29455.0
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Makeo on Tue, 04 December 2012, 16:23:49
Makeo, I can recommend you the Dt880/600 or the dt990/600 with the little dot mkIII as that is my current setup. I do prefer the dt880 over the 990 though, because I bought the 990 once and I felt the treble was too much for me, and i preferred the neutrality of the dt880. The dt880's sound signature works for just about any genre. As for the little dot, try to get the mullard m8161 tubes for them because those tubes really bring out the details and soundstage, and simply makes the mids come alive.

Be sure to check up on massdrop within the next week or so, they might have a groupbuy on the little dot mk iv. I hope that this helped!

Thanks for the reply! How comfortable would you say the DT's are? I can seriously wear my a700 for 24hrs+ and not have the slightest fatigue. And I will def keep an eye out on massdrop. That site is pretty awesome lol.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 04 December 2012, 16:29:02
I'm the most picky comfort guy ever, and I can couldn't stand my DT770s for very long.  They're comfortable pads, but lots of clamping force.  You can stretch them out a bit though.  Anyway, I've tried a700s before, and they're way more comfortable in every measure IMO.  BUT, DT770s sound amazing.

(I recently got some Senn HD598 though, and they are really comfortable!)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: Makeo on Tue, 04 December 2012, 16:57:47
Arggg that's what kinda has me waiting to pull the trigger on a new set. If they sound that good, I might just live with the tightness. But if it is a problem I might venture out to the HD's or possibly some other cans. Need to find a store around me that might have some I can try on.
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: codymaust on Tue, 04 December 2012, 17:02:20
Just throwing this out there... If any of you guys are looking custom mods or custom cabling, Brian Goto at http://btg-audio.webs.com is worth consideration.

I had my DT770's modded by him and his work really is exceptional. He's very well known over at the Head-Fi forums.


In other news, I'm in the market for a pair of openback cans.. I love my 770s but I just hate the isolation sometimes. I was thinking Grados, but I have no way of testing anything, unfortunately.

Thanks for the link! I'm gonna consider getting my dt880 recabled or detachable cable modded. You should really get the dt880 if you love your 770.
Yeah man, I can't recommend him enough.

How would you describe the 880s sound? I'm assuming it's not exactly like the 770s, but I do love the sound and the comfort of my Beyers.. I was really only leaning towards Grado because even their cheaper options are well revered (60i/80i)
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 04 December 2012, 18:45:18
I'm the most picky comfort guy ever, and I can couldn't stand my DT770s for very long.  They're comfortable pads, but lots of clamping force.  You can stretch them out a bit though.  Anyway, I've tried a700s before, and they're way more comfortable in every measure IMO.  BUT, DT770s sound amazing.

(I recently got some Senn HD598 though, and they are really comfortable!)

Did you try the pro version? Because the premium version barely clamps once you stretch out the headband. They just sit snugly on my head, and are very comfortable for hours even though I wear plastic frame glasses. I've tried the HD600 in store before, and they are similiarly comfortable, except with an oval shape that might fit some ears better. So you won't go wrong with the premium beyers or with the HD600/650, just depends on your sound preference.

How would you describe the 880s sound? I'm assuming it's not exactly like the 770s, but I do love the sound and the comfort of my Beyers.. I was really only leaning towards Grado because even their cheaper options are well revered (60i/80i)

The dt880 sounds very similiar to the 770, but superior in almost every day. Since the dt880's are open, they will have a bigger soundstage and better seperation. They are also much more airy, with a very smooth treble with great extension. The dt770's treble is more peaky and is more prone to sibilance. The mids on the dt880's are also less recessed than on the dt770. As for the bass, the dt880 has less quantity, but more quality; it is very tight and clean, there is more texture to the bass, and you can hear the layering of it. The overall sound signature is very natural and linear, with a little bit of brightness. The brightness though, to me, is non-fatiguing and really brings out the details in my music. As such, the dt880 is great for pretty much every genre unless you listen to really bass-heavy music.

If you have a dedicated desktop amp, I highly recommend getting the 600ohm version. It isn't significantly different from the 250 and 32 ohm versions, but it has the smoothest treble and the best bass texturing as long as it is powered properly. What are you driving your headphones with?
Title: Re: Headphone Thread.
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 04 December 2012, 23:21:11
I'm the most picky comfort guy ever, and I can couldn't stand my DT770s for very long.  They'r