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Title: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPED!)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 15:11:57
We are grateful to the otd.kr (http://www.otd.kr/) community that allowed us to use their DSA 1.75 stepped key tooling for this group buy. Thanks guys, you rock!

TL;DR
DSA Family
This is a group buy for DSA family spherical keycaps. DSA is a medium profile keycaps family (PDF of Signature Plastics reference (http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/DSAFamily.pdf)) with spherical top.

This is how it looks like compared to other families:

(http://i.imgur.com/yYDiWHg.jpg)

To my knowledge there have been very few (if none) GBs for this family of keycaps. Keys are all on the same profile (0-degrees angle) which means that you can place any key in any position (the are no rows like in standard DCS family). This makes them suitable for custom keyboards and unconventional layouts (dvorak, colemak, ...).

This is not your usual set of keycaps, be sure to understand what you are buying.

Colors
Colors are inspired by the Commodore 64, hence the "Retro" naming.

These are the official SP colors we are going to use:
(http://i.imgur.com/jsQamKW.jpg)

This is a preview of the Retro kit (NOTE that the mods are not how they really look like in this set, this is just to give you a rough idea)
(http://i.imgur.com/0PuQNJN.jpg)
image courtesy of kaporkle

PS: I've been asked for additional colors (namely white on blue). If this GB gets a very high volume of orders we may add more colors.

Kits
Here what you can buy. There are a lot of options but don't worry, I developed a web app to make ordering very easy, see below.

KIT 1: Extetended Alpha
(http://i.imgur.com/vioCAbf.png)
includes homing keys for dvorak, colemak and others

KIT 2: TKL + Winkeyless + Capslock Switch kit | !!!MOQ 25!!! MOQ already met
(http://i.imgur.com/hORmN2p.png)
This is all you need for "standard keyboards", just remember to add a spacebar (6.25 Universal for the usual sospects).

NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!
NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DSA Family!

KIT 3: TKL Plum + Winkeyless + Capslock Switch kit | !!!MOQ 25!!! MOQ already met
(http://i.imgur.com/pYBLV29.png)
Same as above but in burgundy

KIT 4: Numpad
(http://i.imgur.com/VQqL9qR.png)

KIT 5: ISO
(http://i.imgur.com/wd9WdfO.png)
NOTE: NO 1 unit keys included, you have to buy them separately!

KIT 6: C64 Nostalgia
(http://i.imgur.com/R72Ts9l.png)
Function row in Commodore style

KIT 7-11: All mods!
(http://i.imgur.com/fCnjCxa.png)
NOTE: No duplicate keys! If you want 2 ctrl, 2 alt, 2 super, ... you need to pick 2 of each!

KIT 12: Extras!
(http://i.imgur.com/kKnEmYQ.png)

Blanks
Blank keys for every need. Remember to pick a space bar. At the moment all blanks are Brown. We may add more colors, but don't hold your breath.

European kits
I might run a separate group buy for this set for main European languages, but only if there will be enough ISO Kits sold. This might your only chance to get a full ISO layout for spherical.

Important note regarding space bars! **UPDATED**
Signature Plastics initially said that they couldn't provide DSA spacebars, but they contacted me back saying that they actually have them!

I've just updated the order form with the new space bars. If you already placed your order, I'm not going to automatically switch your DCS spacebars to DSA because the DCS ones might still be needed for certain keyboards.

This is how it works
If you don't know which one to take, look at the back of your spacebar and measure the distance of the stems.

I would recommend taking a couple of spacebars in different families (it's 2 bucks at high tiers). This would save you unpleasant surprises! Anyway we will be taking some spares, just in case.

Deadline
February 18, 23:59:59 GMT

Pricing
You can find pricing and follow real-time price changes at this address:

Group Buy Pricing (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/status.php)

Order
For this group buy I've set up a special web application.

Order Form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php)

When you send your order you'll be given an Order ID, write it down somewhere, with that ID you can review, change or delete your order at any time. No need to ask me to do it for you. You can also save the order ID on your browser as a cookie for easy access.

If you lose the Order ID, you can simply resend your order, the previous one will be overwritten!

With your order ID you can also follow the cost of your key caps based on the current tiers.

Logistics
I'm taking care of the kit layouts, interest check, group buy, contacts with Signature Plastics, replying to questions in this thread and so on. samwisekoi (located in the US), will collect money, place the order with SP and send keys to all of you.

I'm located in Europe, so if it's cheaper we might find some way to collect/split orders between the continents (both for payments and shipping).

FAQ (READ!)
- What are relegendable keys (code blk100r)?
Relegendables are like so:

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40175.0;attach=13369;image)

- What additional blanks do I need for ErgoDox?
4 2-units
12 1.5-units
1-unit it's up to you, up to 20, but you can take the 1-unit modifiers and/or the Extra kit and in that case you'd need less blanks.

- Are we going to have plum modifier kits and blanks?
We are discussing with samwisekoi the feasibility. Not in this first round.

- Are we going to have white on blue?
Same as above, we are discussing it with samwisekoi right now. The GB already reached very high tiers, but it is actually up and running only since 3 days!
We have incredible things ready for the next round!

- Your friendly neighbors samwisekoi & matt3o
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 11 February 2013, 15:51:49
Good job so far on this, I placed my order already :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Mon, 11 February 2013, 15:53:32
Woohoo!  I'm in!  Thanks to everyone who is making this happen.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 February 2013, 15:58:08
Ordered pretty much 1 of everything. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Dgsbllx on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:03:51
Definitely having a proper read through tomorrow, really can't be arsed to try and understand anything right now I've had a hard day (poor me  :p)
Cheers for making this happen, I'll be back tomorrow!

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Bullveyr on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:05:22
Ordered only the basics atm but who knows what I'll add in the future. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: reaper on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:11:17
Yeah, great job on the order form.  You can save it and come back and edit it and everything. lol  :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:12:10
Wow I really like this. Very tempting. That's like everything I ever wanted in a keycap.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:13:45
I'm not sure about putting a whole board in this profile but I'm considering grabbing the number pad set. The font is SO hot. =Drools=

Awesome pictures ^_^
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: i3oilermaker on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:19:40
Is there a closing date or is this a wait and see?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:24:13
Everything about this is amazing.  Matt3o for R5!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: sherryton on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:30:40
Nice job on the form.  It's super easy and great :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:32:34
This is one of the slickest group buy orders I've run across. I guess it's appropriate, for the nicest group buy set I've seen.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:36:10
And in! Very awesome form!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:40:47
I put a preliminary order in that will probably get edited at least once. I like how you've single handedly raised the bar on how to run/manage a group buy. Looking good and I'm excited. Hope it runs for a couple months so we get some nice prices.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Dianoda on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:41:45
Really, really nice order form.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:42:11
In addition to Extended Alpha Kit 1, what other keys would be necessary for an ErgoDox?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:43:09
True or false: blanks only available in chocolate.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Batmann on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:45:12
sick set!
great job Matteo
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:48:38
Alright! Glad to see this move from IC to GB :)  I'm in... big time.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:04:14
Very pretty indeed, decided to go for one, may give up quest for Dolch.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:08:50
thanks to everyone for the compliments, I spent quite a bit of time on the order form and the gb status page.

Is there a closing date or is this a wait and see?

as long as orders flow :) I'd like to make this a "speed buy" though. It won't be a 6 months GB :P

True or false: blanks only available in chocolate.

True... and it's coffee, not chocolate :P

If there's interest and brown ones reach good tier I might add red blanks.

In addition to Extended Alpha Kit 1, what other keys would be necessary for an ErgoDox?

4 2-units
12 1.5-units
1-unit it's up to you, up to 20, but you can take the 1-unit modifiers and/or the Extra kit and in that case you'd need less blanks.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:12:31
Maybe you already explained this before, but how come they want so much for the tkl? Do they have to make new tooling?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: i3oilermaker on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:17:13
Maybe you already explained this before, but how come they want so much for the tkl? Do they have to make new tooling?

Prices will go way down as quantity goes up.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:17:49
Maybe you already explained this before, but how come they want so much for the tkl? Do they have to make new tooling?

the TKL contains many 1.5 and 1.75 additional keys which are exponentially more expensive. It's not a simple TKL kit, you can do winkeyless and ctrl/capslock switch with the same kit. The goal is to reach at least 50 tier at $50 it's a pretty attractive kit.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:21:37
This will make me sound very sad but there are little 3 keys with a £ sign and little 2 keys with a " to buy. This makes me strangely happy.

Oh dear.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:31:07
Just ordered.  Compliments on the automatic GB system.  A++.  Blows 7bit's system away.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Binge on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:36:32
ordered this and a new set of pants.  I'm spent.  :))
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:37:24
ordered this and a new set of pants.  I'm spent.  :))

You should of bought two for when they come in as well!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:37:44
/me cries for plum 1x mods  :'(

Also, can someone post the stem configurations of the four space bars?  For example is the 6.25 a 6-stem universal?  What do the two 6-unit ones look like?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: DamienG on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:51:35
If there's interest and brown ones reach good tier I might add red blanks.

Brown 1x1 blanks seem to have already hit top tier. I'd be up for moving some of mine to a plum or lime.

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jabar on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:54:33
Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 11 February 2013, 18:15:08
Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?

SP does MOQ by color and profile.  So 200,000 ANSI enter keys plus 20 ISO enter keys has the ISO enter keys priced with Qty=20.

Quote from: Signature Plastics
The prices are based on key row, size and color combination...

Seriously.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 11 February 2013, 18:21:14
What a beautifully set out Order Form, especially love the small pictures to show what we're buying.  Very nice.

I have to say, I'm addicted to this key-set.  I thought that maybe it couldn't get any better looking but Matt3o you out did yourself.  You are indeed a key-set artist.  It's not what you include in the key-set but what you left out and combined to achieve a very balanced colour layout and feel for this old-style of keys.  It's mature/adult and very refined in it's execution without it falling into a children's style of colours and fonts which is usually typical.

The colours you chose remind my of a "Cherry-Ripe" chocolate bar distributed here in Australia.  The cherry is deep in colour and the coffee looks like dark chocolate.

Take a bow ..........Maestro.  8)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mashby on Mon, 11 February 2013, 18:26:35
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff195/katflip09/animated/surprise.gif)
W O W ! ! ! Raise the bar much?

Seriously impressed, oh and I ordered as well. :cool:

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 February 2013, 18:35:53
Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?

SP does MOQ by color and profile.  So 200,000 ANSI enter keys plus 20 ISO enter keys has the ISO enter keys priced with Qty=20.

Quote from: Signature Plastics
The prices are based on key row, size and color combination...

Seriously.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


I think he meant that the "base" kit would include the keys from the ISO kit, and raise the price of the base kit a few dollars. So that the 20 or so ISO users get what they need without paying a lot for it, and everyone else pays more for the base kit, and gets keys they don't need.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mashby on Mon, 11 February 2013, 18:38:27
Not that this will affect my order, but there is no "GEEK HACK" key in this set is there?  :'(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:34:41
Ironically, to outfit a typical 104/108 (one basic set, one modifier set, one C64 set, one tenkey, and one spacebar) currently costs far more than most of the boards you'd put them on.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:38:58
The price will come down, probably WAY down in most cases.  When we get past the 50 tier, it gets much better.  Also remember that this is a boutique set.  It is going to be visually striking, and the keyboard will seem pedestrian in comparison.
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jcrouse on Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:41:51
Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?

SP does MOQ by color and profile.  So 200,000 ANSI enter keys plus 20 ISO enter keys has the ISO enter keys priced with Qty=20.

Quote from: Signature Plastics
The prices are based on key row, size and color combination...

Seriously.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


Of course, each one is a different setup for the machine. That is essentially why the cost goes down as the quantity rises. You are spreading the setup time across more product. An ANSI enter and ISO enter would be a completely different mold. Also, color changes require a purge of the press and can be pretty time consuming.
Title: DSA Retro Set
Post by: fydo on Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:43:03
Wow! This looks awesome! High-fives for this GB, the website looks very professional. :)

On a related note... My poor wallet. ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jabar on Mon, 11 February 2013, 20:20:28
SP does MOQ by color and profile.  So 200,000 ANSI enter keys plus 20 ISO enter keys has the ISO enter keys priced with Qty=20.
I think he meant that the "base" kit would include the keys from the ISO kit, and raise the price of the base kit a few dollars. So that the 20 or so ISO users get what they need without paying a lot for it, and everyone else pays more for the base kit, and gets keys they don't need.
What jdcarpe said. Having ISO included in the base kit was a big discussion at DT and I'm surprised it didn't appear here (I'm not even an ISO person). I'd like to hear Matt3o's reasons because I do believe he was in on the previous conversation.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 11 February 2013, 20:31:24
The price will come down, probably WAY down in most cases.  When we get past the 50 tier, it gets much better.  Also remember that this is a boutique set.  It is going to be visually striking, and the keyboard will seem pedestrian in comparison.

Absolutely.  You definitely will need an LZ-GH to compliment this key-set.  8)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 11 February 2013, 20:43:59
My first GB and I'm very excited! I don't know what other GBs are like, but this feels very professional and well thought-out. I bought a Cherry keyboard just to try these keys out. (Ok, fine, I was gonna buy a Cherry board, but this GB definitely accelerated the process!)

I love the color scheme, too. (crosses fingers, prays for white on blue)

How can I be sure that I'm getting the right size modifiers? I've ordered a Ducky with MX Greens, and I'm eyeing the keyboard layout and trying to figure out what size is correct. Guessing 1.5 modifiers? Can anyone else with a fullsize Ducky confirm for the newb?

Matt3o -- take a bow!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Loligagger on Mon, 11 February 2013, 20:46:59
Any chance of adding in a 00 key for the numpad? Possibly interested in a set for the gh60 + 10key whenever those start up but I don't think I'll use a 2.0 size 0 key.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jwaz on Mon, 11 February 2013, 20:56:40
Beautiful looking set, I'd be really into it if there was a Colemak/ blank option*facepalm*

Anyway, fantastic concept. I might jump in anyway.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 11 February 2013, 20:57:59
My first GB and I'm very excited! I don't know what other GBs are like, but this feels very professional and well thought-out. I bought a Cherry keyboard just to try these keys out. (Ok, fine, I was gonna buy a Cherry board, but this GB definitely accelerated the process!)

I love the color scheme, too. (crosses fingers, prays for white on blue)

How can I be sure that I'm getting the right size modifiers? I've ordered a Ducky with MX Greens, and I'm eyeing the keyboard layout and trying to figure out what size is correct. Guessing 1.5 modifiers? Can anyone else with a fullsize Ducky confirm for the newb?

Matt3o -- take a bow!

The ducky will have 1.25 mods and a 6.25 spacebar.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: DamienG on Mon, 11 February 2013, 21:01:14
Any chance of adding in a 00 key for the numpad? Possibly interested in a set for the gh60 + 10key whenever those start up but I don't think I'll use a 2.0 size 0 key.

That request would probably have best been made during the 13 pages of interest check...

Beautiful looking set, I'd be really into it if there was a Colemak/ blank option, but that is doubtful.

The keys are all the same profile so you can switch them round. Base set 1 comes with Colemak alternative home key curvature...

[)amien
(Set is nothing to do with me, I'm just excited about it)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Loligagger on Mon, 11 February 2013, 21:08:43
That request would probably have best been made during the 13 pages of interest check...

I rarely swing by the interest check subforum, either way it's no big deal since the varying sets cover 99% of the bases anyway (which is pretty impressive).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Sai on Mon, 11 February 2013, 21:21:28
can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?
Title: DSA Retro Set
Post by: fydo on Mon, 11 February 2013, 21:55:44
can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?

It just started! Why would you want it to end already? ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 11 February 2013, 22:16:14
Any chance of adding in a 00 key for the numpad? Possibly interested in a set for the gh60 + 10key whenever those start up but I don't think I'll use a 2.0 size 0 key.
Yes please. I'm sure one more key won't kill us...

Also, I'm interested in blanks in lime and plum, as well as those colors in relegendables.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Sai on Mon, 11 February 2013, 22:31:46
can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?

It just started! Why would you want it to end already? ;)

yea. half asleep when i posted that. pretty dumb of me. :D
i'll go put in an order now.

Order submitted
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 11 February 2013, 23:08:41
can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?

It just started! Why would you want it to end already? ;)
'cause how much I want is dependent on how many paychecks happen between then and now.

This group-buy is amazing. It's got a sweet web interface, a tracker table of pricing, and even 2x blanks for easy ergodox compatibility. It's got Dvorak sets, and even a good color, and everything. It's the perfect GB.

I want to order several keyboards worth, 'cause I enjoy flat profile, I love spherical, and I can use it with Dvorak? Excellent!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 11 February 2013, 23:16:02
Quote
NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!

iirc OTD made a DSA set with stepped caps lock with window in DSA profile, any reason why its in DCS?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wasabah on Mon, 11 February 2013, 23:23:24
Stupid question: what does left stemmed mean?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 February 2013, 23:25:51
Off center stem.  They are used on such boards as Cherry and korean customs.  They are stepped keys.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: litster on Mon, 11 February 2013, 23:27:18
I just pushed TKLPLUM down to the next tier! 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: litster on Mon, 11 February 2013, 23:36:07
Matt3o, will you be the person accepting paypal payments?  do you have a proxy in the US who could help you receive and distribute?

Great website!  Great job! 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wasabah on Mon, 11 February 2013, 23:36:14
Off center stem.  They are used on such boards as Cherry and korean customs.  They are stepped keys.
Man, this really is science. Thanks!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 01:46:09
Oh my... so many question to answer... Sorry if I'm going to make many consecutive posts, but the Topic summary in the post reply doesn't go so far in the past.

Ok let's start.

Also, can someone post the stem configurations of the four space bars?  For example is the 6.25 a 6-stem universal?  What do the two 6-unit ones look like?

The DSA spacebar has fixed mounting positions. Measuring from the center mount(post) outward, the two outer mounts are 1.500" from the center mount. This is slightly smaller than our DCS 6.2 unit spacebar which measures 1.575" from the center mount.

The 6.2 is the standard universal SP space bar.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 01:52:26
Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?

This has been discussed especially on Deskthority. The ISO kit contains 3 returns which are pretty expensive and KIT2 and KIT3 are already expensive by their own because of all the extra keys. We couldn't add any more key. I asked for a quote for an aggregated version and we decided to make a kit of its own.

oh and in KIT1 it wouldn't make any sense of course :)

Looking at the stats after 8hours I don't think we will have any issue.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 01:56:51
What a beautifully set out Order Form, especially love the small pictures to show what we're buying.  Very nice.

{snip}

Take a bow ..........Maestro.  8)

I'm flattered, thanks.

And also thanks to all others who noticed the hard work needed for putting this all together!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 02:12:52
and finally Post history catches up... more aggregated replies

Any chance of adding in a 00 key for the numpad? Possibly interested in a set for the gh60 + 10key whenever those start up but I don't think I'll use a 2.0 size 0 key.

If there's interest, 1 unit keys don't impact cost that much.

can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?

I hope this could be made very quickly, but it depends on how the order flows. The soft dead line is 3 weeks from now, but it will probably be pushed.

iirc OTD made a DSA set with stepped caps lock with window in DSA profile, any reason why its in DCS?

Are you sure it was DSA and not SA? SP told me that they don't have tooling for off center keys in DSA.

Matt3o, will you be the person accepting paypal payments?  do you have a proxy in the US who could help you receive and distribute?

Sorry for not being more chatty about this.

I'm taking care of the interest check, group buy, contacts with Signature Plastics, and so on. Samwisekoi (located in the US), will collect money, place the order with SP and send keys to all of you. So please show gratitude to him as well, he is doing all the dirty job.

I'm in Europe, so if it's cheaper we might find some way to collect/split orders between the continents.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Tue, 12 February 2013, 02:23:35
I'm in! Just hope it doesn't really cost $145! People need to order more tkl!!!! :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wasabah on Tue, 12 February 2013, 02:25:06
Man, every time I update the price overview I'm just amazed.
Growing steadily!

Thanks Matt3o, this will most likely be my very first group buy.
And such an awesome one at that! :)

May I ask at what count(s) you might consider adding blue color?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 02:35:47
May I ask at what count(s) you might consider adding blue color?

no fixed numbers, I want to avoid people cancelling their brown or red orders to get the blue :P When both sets (brown and red) are on a very safe spot, we will be adding blue.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wasabah on Tue, 12 February 2013, 02:37:44
Haha, okay. ;)
Makes sense!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: FabsSpeed on Tue, 12 February 2013, 04:46:05
I am in. Form filled out!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 12 February 2013, 04:46:14
May I ask at what count(s) you might consider adding blue color?

no fixed numbers, I want to avoid people cancelling their brown or red orders to get the blue :p When both sets (brown and red) are on a very safe spot, we will be adding blue.

I will be buying all COLOURS...... so don't worry.  Since I'm already in for over $530 this key-set is well worth more.  :-*
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: altesien on Tue, 12 February 2013, 05:02:41
okay. ;)
Makes sense :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 12 February 2013, 05:17:44
Filled out.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: kurplop on Tue, 12 February 2013, 05:43:39
Many thanks to Matt3o and Samwisekol. Great job on the color combinations and the management of this group buy.

If we are interested in plum blank caps should we wait until the coffee blanks reach a safe level or should we order the coffee blanks and change later if the plum blanks become available?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 05:54:40
If we are interested in plum blank caps should we wait until the coffee blanks reach a safe level or should we order the coffee blanks and change later if the plum blanks become available?

if the coffee ones don't reach a safe spot we are not adding the plums, so... my suggestion would be to order coffee blanks and either cancel the order before the end or order plum if they become a reality. As you'll see the order form is darn easy to use and you can alter your order any time without asking me a thing.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Tue, 12 February 2013, 06:13:54
I got to say, this ordering and order quantity site is amazing! All groupbuys should be run like this! My hats off to you, Matt3o.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on Tue, 12 February 2013, 07:05:34
Hi

I'm pretty new to the keyboard/GB thing (been reading the forum for the past months though).

Which sets should I buy to fit my Ducky G2pro TKL? The ISO set but then what? :)

Seams to be an awesome kit, hope the price comes down a bit though.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mooksy on Tue, 12 February 2013, 07:16:53
when this group buy ended?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 12 February 2013, 07:19:00
What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?

If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?

Thanks,
John
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Tue, 12 February 2013, 07:25:03
What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?

If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?

Thanks,
John

Reledgendable.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 12 February 2013, 07:31:39
Hi

I'm pretty new to the keyboard/GB thing (been reading the forum for the past months though).

Which sets should I buy to fit my Ducky G2pro TKL? The ISO set but then what? :)

Seams to be an awesome kit, hope the price comes down a bit though.

You will need:
* Extended Alpha
* either Tenkeyless Coffee or Tenkeyless Plum
* ISO kit
* DCS 6.25-units Universal Spacebar
optional:
* C64 kit
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 07:51:31
I got to say, this ordering and order quantity site is amazing! All groupbuys should be run like this! My hats off to you, Matt3o.

thanks, really appreciated.

when this group buy ended?

I'm going to add this to the OP. Don't expect this to last long, a soft deadline is 3 weeks from now.

What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?

Relegendable keys are like so:

[attach=1]

If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?

they will feel amazing on ergodox :)

You need:
4 2-units
12 1.5-units
1-unit it's up to you, up to 20, but you can take the 1-unit modifiers and/or the Extra kit and in that case you'd need less blanks.

I'm going to add this to the OP as well
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Tue, 12 February 2013, 07:56:21
What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?

If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?


So for a 76-Key ErgoDox you would want:
Extended Alpha                Qty (1)
1 Unit Blank                     Qty (18)
1.5 Unit Blank (blk150)     Qty (12)
2 Unit Blank (blk200)        Qty (4)

You probably don't need all (18) 1 Unit blanks, but at $0.24 each that buys you some flexibility.  You could substitute relegendables if you want to be able to mark them... or if you want all blanks, then skip 'Extended Alpha' and just get (60) 1 Unit Blanks instead.

Personally, I ordered 'Extended Alpha', 'TKL', '1 Unit Modifiers', 'Extra Keys', the 1.5 and 2 Unit Blanks and some Relegendables... but I'll have a lot of extra keys.  ;D


Edit:  Ahh, I got Ninja'd by matt3o!  :cool:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 08:06:02
I had to remove the 10 pieces limit from the order form (replacing the drop down with a standard input box).

The smartest of you might know what is going on...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: luckynet on Tue, 12 February 2013, 08:12:36
what do i need to order for

leopold spacebar
kbt race
kbt poker

why isin't there a topre option?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Noko on Tue, 12 February 2013, 09:09:15
Order placed.  Amazing work on the GB software!
Being able to tweak my order whenever has made me keep adding extras.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: i3oilermaker on Tue, 12 February 2013, 09:10:59
Bumped the numbers a bit :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: merijn on Tue, 12 February 2013, 09:29:55
What would suffice as an "ergodox kit"?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 12 February 2013, 09:38:24
What would suffice as an "ergodox kit"?

I think this is what you're looking for. :)

What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?

If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?


So for a 76-Key ErgoDox you would want:
Extended Alpha                Qty (1)
1 Unit Blank                     Qty (18)
1.5 Unit Blank (blk150)     Qty (12)
2 Unit Blank (blk200)        Qty (4)

You probably don't need all (18) 1 Unit blanks, but at $0.24 each that buys you some flexibility.  You could substitute relegendables if you want to be able to mark them... or if you want all blanks, then skip 'Extended Alpha' and just get (60) 1 Unit Blanks instead.

Personally, I ordered 'Extended Alpha', 'TKL', '1 Unit Modifiers', 'Extra Keys', the 1.5 and 2 Unit Blanks and some Relegendables... but I'll have a lot of extra keys.  ;D


Edit:  Ahh, I got Ninja'd by matt3o!  :cool:

If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?

they will feel amazing on ergodox :)

You need:
4 2-units
12 1.5-units
1-unit it's up to you, up to 20, but you can take the 1-unit modifiers and/or the Extra kit and in that case you'd need less blanks.

I'm going to add this to the OP as well
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Tue, 12 February 2013, 09:52:41
what do i need to order for

kbt race
kbt poker


KBT Race - The race is a weird one.  There are a lot of options in this buy, but nothing that will replace all of the Race's keys exactly. You can get close, but you'll have some blanks or "mis-labeled" keys.  There is no 1.5 Coffee Esc, but there's a 1.5 Plum Esc in the 1.5 Mods group.  There aren't any arrows or 'End' in the 1.25 mods group, and you only need 1 key from the 1 Unit mods group.  If you're ok with blanks, you can just get something like this:

(63)    1.0  Keys
(10)    1.25 Keys
(4)    1.5   Keys
(1)   1.75 Keys
(1)   2.0 Keys
(2)   2.25 Keys
(1)   6.25 Keys

Otherwise, you'll probably want Alpha, TKL, 1.5 unit mods, 1.25 unit mods, 1 unit mods, 6.25 space and (5) 1.25 Unit blanks
[attach=1]


KBT Pure - The Pure is like this (I don't have a poker) my understanding is that the difference is the Shift is split in a Pure, so it's a 1.75 (shift) and 1 (fn) instead of 2.75 (shift) in the Poker.  So, if you want blanks remove a 1.0 and a 1.75 and add a 2.75. 

(47)    1.0  Keys
(7)    1.25 Keys
(2)    1.5   Keys
(2)   1.75 Keys
(1)   2.0   Keys
(2)   2.25 Keys
(1)   6.25 Keys

Kit wise, you could do this with Alpha, TKL, 6.25 Space and a 1.25 Blank for your Function key (or the 1.25 mods pack)?

[attach=2]

Please, verify the numbers against your own keyboard, I'm pretty sure I counted them all right when I made my spreadsheet thing, but I'd hate to be wrong and you end up getting messed up.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Eloex on Tue, 12 February 2013, 09:57:40
Hi, I was wondering if it possible set up an order for a Full Blank DSA Tenkeyless set. (For a QFR) And if it is possible, what are the exact amounts for each key I have to order? Thanks!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Tue, 12 February 2013, 10:04:49
Hi, I was wondering if it possible set up an order for a Full Blank DSA Tenkeyless set. (For a QFR) And if it is possible, what are the exact amounts for each key I have to order? Thanks!

I can't answer with certainty as I don't know the board you reference, but I know that there aren't any 2.25 or 2.75 blanks at this time, and those are pretty standard sizes for Shifts and Enter.  So you could get all the other caps as blanks, but you'd need to get those in one of the kits, and they wouldn't be blank.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 10:08:37
Please, verify the numbers against your own keyboard, I'm pretty sure I counted them all right when I made my spreadsheet thing, but I'd hate to be wrong and you end up getting messed up.

thanks regack :) you saved me a good half an hour :)

Hi, I was wondering if it possible set up an order for a Full Blank DSA Tenkeyless set. (For a QFR) And if it is possible, what are the exact amounts for each key I have to order? Thanks!

You can't have a 100% blank set because we don't have blanks for the big keys. You can go pretty close though.

72 1u
1 2u
2 1.5u
1 1.75u
7 1.25

In addition you'd need:
1 2.75
2 2.25u

they are in the "Extra modifiers" (not blank)

PLEASE VERIFY! I did a very quick key count
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 10:10:25
Bumped the numbers a bit :)

Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: merijn on Tue, 12 February 2013, 10:13:38
I think this gb is going very well. Are blue caps likely?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 10:16:24
I think this gb is going very well. Are blue caps likely?

if orders keep coming at this pace, very likely. But I need samwisekoi permission to add more workload to the GB (he is the one sorting the keys)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: merijn on Tue, 12 February 2013, 10:20:53
I also have a question. I am looking at the price of the extra modifiers, but I don't get the pricing. They're the same ones as found in the TKL set, thus wouldn't their price have to go down together with the TKL set?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 10:22:38
I also have a question. I am looking at the price of the extra modifiers, but I don't get the pricing. They're the same ones as found in the TKL set, thus wouldn't their price have to go down together with the TKL set?

Yes, I have the same perplexity. I'm going to double check that with SP.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 11:00:40
Signature Plastics confirmed pricing for KIT 11
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 12 February 2013, 11:25:31
Damn, I thought I'd hit a decent home run with klaxon in terms of popularity, but I didn't have near this response in a day.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Bullveyr on Tue, 12 February 2013, 11:37:36
I had to remove the 10 pieces limit from the order form (replacing the drop down with a standard input box).

The smartest of you might know what is going on...
I'm not one of the smartest but I think I know why. :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 12 February 2013, 11:38:40
I had to remove the 10 pieces limit from the order form (replacing the drop down with a standard input box).

The smartest of you might know what is going on...
I'm not one of the smartest but I think I know why. :P

I'm not smart...so I'm still puzzled.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 11:49:02
attack of the vendors
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jil_jil32 on Tue, 12 February 2013, 11:52:15
Poor the 1.75x mods kit... I hope you can find a solution for me, I just need one Enter 1.75x key =(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Tue, 12 February 2013, 11:54:52
Poor the 1.75x mods kit... I hope you can find a solution for me, I just need one Enter 1.75x key =(

Keep checking back, if what Matt3o is hinting at might happen, could be at the highest quantity/lowest price tier soon enough.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 11:56:17
Poor the 1.75x mods kit... I hope you can find a solution for me, I just need one Enter 1.75x key =(

I'm probably going to remove the C64 key from 1.75 mods and maybe some other keys to try to lower that price.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jil_jil32 on Tue, 12 February 2013, 12:02:56
Yeye... :3
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 12 February 2013, 12:03:41
I'm sure it will happen soon, but we really need at least 12 more people to pick up the Coffee TKL set. Drops the price by over $20.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 12 February 2013, 12:07:26
Yes I hope that one gets there.  I've already called dibs on one.  It's definitely needed for boards with 1x mods since those don't come in plum.

... and there just may be a custom board soon that has that configuration...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 12 February 2013, 12:16:09
Definitely want to get to the 50 tier and beyond, that's where it levels off.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: boost on Tue, 12 February 2013, 12:25:52
Form filled!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 12:43:25
Definitely want to get to the 50 tier and beyond, that's where it levels off.

I'd say the sweet spot would be 75, but 50 is good enough.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Tue, 12 February 2013, 12:54:05
I'm sure it will happen soon, but we really need at least 12 more people to pick up the Coffee TKL set. Drops the price by over $20.

Kicked.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 13:06:21
BREAKING NEWS!

Fasten your belts because this is going to blow your guts all over your keyboards.

Signature Plastics just contacted me and informed that they actually have 6.2 units and 7 units spacebars in DSA family (contrary to what they originally said)! Now I just have to understand what kind of mount points they have.

This is what they say about mount points:

Quote
The 6.2 unit spacebar has fixed spacing with a center mount and 2 outboard mounts positioned 1.976" from the center mount. The 7 unit spacebar also has fixed mount positions with a center mount and 2 outboard mounts positioned 2.245" from the center mount.

Not the most universal space bars ever, but still...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jil_jil32 on Tue, 12 February 2013, 13:08:07
Oh oh oh... SP...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 13:45:18
If I did the math well this is what we have in DSA:

6 units, 3 stems, 1 center 2 at 40mm from center
6.2 units, 3 stems, 1 center 2 at 50mm from center
7 units, 3 stems, 1 center 2 at 57mm from center

SO

The group buy is probably going to have:

DSA 6
DCS 6
DSA 6.2
DCS 6.2 Universal
DSA 7

oh gosh, what a mess...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: elton5354 on Tue, 12 February 2013, 13:46:56
Will the DSA 6.2 space bar fit Filco, Poker, and the rest keyboards?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Tue, 12 February 2013, 13:48:06
The DCS space bar is not very well-liked.  Except for the universal 6.25 unit version, I don't see a reason to keep the other DCS, do you?
Title: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Gupgup on Tue, 12 February 2013, 13:48:31
Form filled! Can't wait to have that plum color!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 13:51:08
Will the DSA 6.2 space bar fit Filco, Poker, and the rest keyboards?

yes, as far as I can tell, it seems the standard Filco spacebar.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: DamienG on Tue, 12 February 2013, 13:54:29
You've probably already considered this where we're close to the upper bound it sometimes makes sense to order the minimum quantity at the next tier and effectively 'dispose' of the extra sets as it's still cheaper for the people in that group.

e.g. ISO kit has 22 people currently at 18.98. That's $417.56 for those key sets.

If you were to order 25 sets at 12.86.. that would be $321.50. i.e. those 22 people could pay $14.61 with three sets left over.

You could actually build this logic into your tool.

current_order_value = order quantity * current tier price;
next_level_min_value = min qty for next tier * next tier price;
if (current_order_value > next_level_min_value) current price = next_level_min_value / order quantity;


[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 14:43:07
You've probably already considered this where we're close to the upper bound it sometimes makes sense to order the minimum quantity at the next tier and effectively 'dispose' of the extra sets as it's still cheaper for the people in that group.

e.g. ISO kit has 22 people currently at 18.98. That's $417.56 for those key sets.

If you were to order 25 sets at 12.86.. that would be $321.50. i.e. those 22 people could pay $14.61 with three sets left over.

You could actually build this logic into your tool.

current_order_value = order quantity * current tier price;
next_level_min_value = min qty for next tier * next tier price;
if (current_order_value > next_level_min_value) current price = next_level_min_value / order quantity;


yes, that is something I was considering but for the sake of simplicity I didn't implement it. Most of the kits won't have issues reaching a good tier and higher tiers price difference is low (so that logic would work only when orders are very close to the tier boundary). Anyway I'm going to check prices/tiers before placing the order.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: DamienG on Tue, 12 February 2013, 15:07:31
It's really cool that the extras set includes replacement 2 and 3 for UK keyboards! :) Combined with the ISO enter I think the only missing key is the one next to the Z with backslash and vertical bar on it?

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Tue, 12 February 2013, 15:11:44
It's really cool that the extras set includes replacement 2 and 3 for UK keyboards! :) Combined with the ISO enter I think the only missing key is the one next to the Z with backslash and vertical bar on it?

I believe that key is in the extended alpha kit.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: DamienG on Tue, 12 February 2013, 15:16:19
It's really cool that the extras set includes replacement 2 and 3 for UK keyboards! :) Combined with the ISO enter I think the only missing key is the one next to the Z with backslash and vertical bar on it?

I believe that key is in the extended alpha kit.

You're totally right, it's hidden up there top left. This set rocks :)

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Glod on Tue, 12 February 2013, 15:18:56
oh wow, this started, so cool Matt3o!

i am going fill out in the next couple days.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jneffekt on Tue, 12 February 2013, 16:22:15
I'm in!

Hopefully it doesn't cost too much to ship to Australia
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 12 February 2013, 16:27:27
It would be cool to also be able to search your order by your username, in case you're wanting to view or change your order on another computer or on the go and don't have your order number handy. But I agree with what others have said that the order tool is amazing. Great work!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Tranquilite on Tue, 12 February 2013, 16:28:07
I think it's safe to say at this point that blank 1x plum (and probably lime) keys should be added. Already over 1000 1x blanks ordered.

I'm also pretty sure that I am on board for this group buy, but I'll hold off for a few days just to make sure that I can afford it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tjweir on Tue, 12 February 2013, 16:30:54
I think it's safe to say at this point that blank 1x plum (and probably lime) keys should be added. Already over 1000 1x blanks ordered.

I'm also pretty sure that I am on board for this group buy, but I'll hold off for a few days just to make sure that I can afford it.

I'd add lime 1u blanks to my order as well.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 12 February 2013, 16:31:54
Blanks and relegendables in those colors, please.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 16:41:11
blanks in other colors will be added all together, not one at the time. it would be a pain to manage otherwise.

It would be cool to also be able to search your order by your username, in case you're wanting to view or change your order on another computer or on the go and don't have your order number handy. But I agree with what others have said that the order tool is amazing. Great work!

anyone could change your order that way :) we would need username+password and that is a complexity I wanted to avoid. Maybe with the next GB :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Tue, 12 February 2013, 16:56:05
blanks in other colors will be added all together, not one at the time. it would be a pain to manage otherwise.

It would be cool to also be able to search your order by your username, in case you're wanting to view or change your order on another computer or on the go and don't have your order number handy. But I agree with what others have said that the order tool is amazing. Great work!

anyone could change your order that way :) we would need username+password and that is a complexity I wanted to avoid. Maybe with the next GB :)

I just dropped the Order ID in an email to myself, so I have access to it anywhere that I have internet access. 

I like not having to make another username/password. :D


Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 12 February 2013, 16:59:52
I'll drop it in dropbox when I get home tonight.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 12 February 2013, 17:10:58
Are all the blanks TBN (coffee) color. RBC (plum) blanks would be nice for the Ergodox users.

John
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 12 February 2013, 17:40:58
My first GB and I'm very excited! I don't know what other GBs are like, but this feels very professional and well thought-out. I bought a Cherry keyboard just to try these keys out. (Ok, fine, I was gonna buy a Cherry board, but this GB definitely accelerated the process!)

I love the color scheme, too. (crosses fingers, prays for white on blue)

How can I be sure that I'm getting the right size modifiers? I've ordered a Ducky with MX Greens, and I'm eyeing the keyboard layout and trying to figure out what size is correct. Guessing 1.5 modifiers? Can anyone else with a fullsize Ducky confirm for the newb?

Matt3o -- take a bow!

The ducky will have 1.25 mods and a 6.25 spacebar.

Thanks Halverson! Going to update my order. Someone should compile all the "What will my board require?" answers in this thread and put them on the top page for easy reference.

Thanks again for organizing this groupbuy Matt3o. It can't be easy fielding all these questions.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 17:45:40
ahah thanks Krogenar, that gif made my day :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 12 February 2013, 18:02:50
Okay I'm updating the order form, tomorrow (Wednesday) you'll find all the DSA space bars. I'll also update the OP with all the info you need to pick the right one.

You'll probably want to switch from DCS to DSA but remember the DSA 6.25 is not Universal (I'd take some of both families if I were you :P )

Sorry about this space bar mess, but SP gave me the wrong info.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: oluf on Tue, 12 February 2013, 18:49:43
Your GB software is awesome! Thanks for putting this together!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wasabah on Tue, 12 February 2013, 18:55:14
I'm also still holding off because I would prefer blue keys.
But the more I look at the colors, the more I consider just buying both. Especially if we get lime 1 blanks!
Would love a brown-green Ergodox. :)
I have two Ergodoxes anyway, and the blank keys from Massdrop aren't so expensive and I could also just sell them.
Oh my god, the temptation.. *throws money at screen*
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 12 February 2013, 19:42:55
Oh my god, the temptation.. *throws money at screen*

NOW you're getting the hang of it! :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Acanthophis on Tue, 12 February 2013, 20:02:49
(http://i.imgur.com/fVbL7.gif)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Tue, 12 February 2013, 20:09:05
^ Deathstar needs a GH plastered on the side.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 12 February 2013, 21:18:00
The deathstar is perfect for this GB-- it has a spherical depression on it!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wasabah on Tue, 12 February 2013, 22:43:36
Quick question: the size of the return key in kit2/kit3 is 2.25, right?
So is there any way to get a 2.0 return key? Can't find/see it right now.. 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 12 February 2013, 23:30:03
The amazing thing is the breakdown.  The base set starts at less than $40 even at a hypothetical five orders.  Meanwhile, the 1.75x modifier set starts at over $200, for just twelve keys.  It's clear SP's system is optimized for the production of 1x keys.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: kdash4 on Wed, 13 February 2013, 01:17:42
blk are blanks right?
What color are they?
Seeing that you are in Italy, how much is shipping to the US?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: funkymeeba on Wed, 13 February 2013, 01:25:28
I believe samwisekoi will be doing the sorting/shipping, and he is in the US, so I don't think you need to be worried there.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 01:31:37
Quick question: the size of the return key in kit2/kit3 is 2.25, right?
So is there any way to get a 2.0 return key? Can't find/see it right now..

you need to take the blanks for that, sorry. We may add it to the extramods, but they are not receiving much love so...

blk are blanks right?
What color are they?
Seeing that you are in Italy, how much is shipping to the US?

blanks are all coffee/brown.

Please ready carefully the OP, section Logistics. Shipping originates from US.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 03:03:06
Important Update about Spacebars!

Signature Plastics initially said that they couldn't provide DSA spacebars, but they contacted me back saying that they actually have them! This is a great news because we can have a 100% DSA keyboards (except for the ISO and left stem keys).

I've just updated the order form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php) with the new space bars. I'm not going to automatically switch your DCS spacebars to DSA because the DCS ones might still be needed for certain keyboards.

This is how it works

If you don't know which one to take, look at the back of your spacebar and measure the distance of the stems.

I would recommend taking a couple of spacebars in different families (it's 2 bucks at high tiers). This would save you unpleasant surprises! Anyway we will be taking some spares, just in case.

Head to the order form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php) and update your order.

If you don't remember your order ID you can simply send a new order with the same username and the same forum. The previous order will be overwritten. If you really need to recover your previous order, send me a PM.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: fydo on Wed, 13 February 2013, 03:08:32
Woo! 6.2 DSA spacebar! :)

Very exciting stuff!

Any chance of getting spacebars in plum? *hopeful*
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Larken on Wed, 13 February 2013, 04:38:57
already put in my order for some of the kits. I can foresee I'll be changing my order a few more times before the buy ends (to add more keys, not subtract:D). Amazing job on the site, Matt3o.

Don't want to be one of those reporters in the gif, but are there going to be anymore keys added to the groupbuy as this progresses? (crossing my fingers for plum 1x and 1.5x blanks :))
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 04:45:32
I would have never expected such a huge success. I was worried of not reaching the 50 tier but the alpha kit reached 231 pieces in 2 days!!!.

This means that we are definitely going to add more meat to the BBQ, but I need samwisekoi release on that, and from the emails I had with him he seems a little worried :) (right samwisekoi?!  ;D)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 13 February 2013, 05:16:30
Man this took off fast, and that order form is slick. Great job all around.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 13 February 2013, 06:28:19
Don't want to be one of those reporters in the gif, but are there going to be anymore keys added to the groupbuy as this progresses? (crossing my fingers for plum 1x and 1.5x blanks :))

Ditto that -- hoping plum color makes a return.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Caaaarrrt on Wed, 13 February 2013, 06:31:30
Order submitted. I hope this sets the standard for future group buys, excellent job Matt3o and samwisekoi.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mikelanding on Wed, 13 February 2013, 07:45:58
Awesome work. Set very high standard for any future GB.
Ordered 2 sets for Ergodox!
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jcrouse on Wed, 13 February 2013, 08:26:47
blk are blanks right?
What color are they?
blanks are all coffee/brown.

So, for the ergodox there is really no way to have a two color setup. It really would need to be all coffee. Have you considered plum blanks for this situation?

John
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 08:42:16
So, for the ergodox there is really no way to have a two color setup. It really would need to be all coffee. Have you considered plum blanks for this situation?

this has been asked so many times that I added it to the FAQ in the original post :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 13 February 2013, 08:52:41
Matt3o, I just want to thank you for making that "SHIFT LOCK" key a reality. I don't know who requested that for this set, but it's brilliant. I've been wanting a shift lock for so long now, and at least one of my Phantoms/GH60s will have a shift lock key, using an MX Lock switch. So retro. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 08:57:49
Matt3o, I just want to thank you for making that "SHIFT LOCK" key a reality. I don't know who requested that for this set, but it's brilliant. I've been wanting a shift lock for so long now, and at least one of my Phantoms/GH60s will have a shift lock key, using an MX Lock switch. So retro. :D

glad you noticed :)
you can't call it "C64 inspired" if you don't have a shift lock key
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 10:21:28
Mod extra rearragement

Since 1.75-units and Extra modifiers kits are not receiving much love I'd like to merge and remix them to see if we can reach a decent tier.

What are the keys you'd like to see in the new mod extra kit?

This is my idea:

Code: [Select]
new mod extra
1.75 alt, ctrl, return, tab, shift, backspace
2.0 back space, return

My educated guess (absolutely unconfirmed) for the pricing of such a kit would be
$168
$86
$59
$37
$21
...

thoughts?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Wed, 13 February 2013, 10:23:53
Especially in light of sam's hesitation, I would be wary of letting this GB come down with Roundfouritis.  Surely a totally new color scheme could be done is a separate GB?  It could even run in parallel, which would avoid confusion and also allow someone else to step up and help sam.

There are no price breaks from SP when you make a change like that, IIRC.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 10:28:43
Especially in light of sam's hesitation, I would be wary of letting this GB come down with Roundfouritis.  Surely a totally new color scheme could be done is a separate GB?  It could even run in parallel, which would avoid confusion and also allow someone else to step up and help sam.

There are no price breaks from SP when you make a change like that, IIRC.

"white on blue" will most likely end up in Round 2, that will happen sooner than you might think.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 February 2013, 10:32:46
Mod extra rearragement

Since 1.75-units and Extra modifiers kits are not receiving much love I'd like to merge and remix them to see if we can reach a decent tier.

What are the keys you'd like to see in the new mod extra kit?

This is my idea:

Code: [Select]
new mod extra
1.75 alt, ctrl, return, tab, shift, backspace
2.0 back space, return

My educated guess (absolutely unconfirmed) for the pricing of such a kit would be
$168
$86
$59
$37
$21
...

thoughts?
 

Maybe you could PM the 6 people who asked for those, and see which pieces they were after?  I don't know...  I would greatly consider it if it came a 2.25 and 2.75 blank in there as well...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 10:36:54
if there's interest for bigger blank mods I can definitely add them
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 February 2013, 10:44:38
if there's interest for bigger blank mods I can definitely add them


I wouldn't mind the 2.25 and 2.75 blanks, but probably not more than a couple of each.  I'm not sure about other people, but if they're trying to make completely blank boards, the 2.25 and 2.75 would be handy.   
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 10:51:06
my guess would be $17 at 5 and $9 at 10 tiers for 2.25, 2.75. Why they cost more that spacebars is out of my understanding
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 February 2013, 11:03:09
my guess would be $17 at 5 and $9 at 10 tiers for 2.25, 2.75. Why they cost more that spacebars is out of my understanding

It's sort of crazy.  I still don't quite understand why 1.75 Mod and Mod Extra are so pricey.  Those Mod Extra keys are pretty standard, especially the 2.25 Return and 2.75 Shift...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 13 February 2013, 11:05:10
i would refrain from adding more kits at this point. collect money, submit the order and go. you can always submit additional orders.

mixing high volume keys with low volume keys (by color, profile and/or mold) is painful for SP from a production standpoint. it's better to submit complex orders as multiple invoices in which the high volume stuff gets submitted paid for and delivered first, and then any weird remainders are put in a separate order with the understanding that they'll be at much higher cost with much longer lead time. that way SP doesn't have to tie delivery of the high volume short lead-time parts with the low volume high lead-time parts and sales can separate the task of pricing same.

further, remember that all this deliberation time is time in which they are planning for production of your invoice (to minimize your order's lead time and telegraph their production schedule) _without getting paid_.

also, don't cheap out on the sorting. for the love of god have them sort a 230 set order.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 11:12:14
It's sort of crazy.  I still don't quite understand why 1.75 Mod and Mod Extra are so pricey.  Those Mod Extra keys are pretty standard, especially the 2.25 Return and 2.75 Shift...

My guess is that they have some sort of aggregated mold for standard keys (so they mold together 1.25, 2.25, and so forth). If you ask them separately the process might be more complicated and expensive.

mixing high volume keys with low volume keys (by color, profile and/or mold) is painful for SP from a production standpoint. it's better to submit complex orders as multiple invoices in which the high volume stuff gets submitted paid for and delivered first, and then any weird remainders are put in a separate order with the understanding that they'll be at much higher cost with much longer lead time. that way SP doesn't have to tie delivery of the high volume short lead-time parts with the low volume high lead-time parts and sales can separate the task of pricing same.

thanks for the very useful info and suggestions!

also, don't cheap out on the sorting. for the love of god have them sort a 230 set order.

are kidding me?! pricing includes sorting! I have no intention of manually sorting all those keys!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 13 February 2013, 11:17:12
It's sort of crazy.  I still don't quite understand why 1.75 Mod and Mod Extra are so pricey.  Those Mod Extra keys are pretty standard, especially the 2.25 Return and 2.75 Shift...

My guess is that they have some sort of aggregated mold for standard keys (so they mold together 1.25, 2.25, and so forth). If you ask them separately the process might be more complicated and expensive.
afaik they don't have aggregated molds. however, molds that are used more often are going to be cheaper, because they will be easier to work into the production schedule.

Quote
also, don't cheap out on the sorting. for the love of god have them sort a 230 set order.

are kidding me?! pricing includes sorting! I have no intention of manually sorting all those keys!
excellent! totally jazzed about this buy!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Binge on Wed, 13 February 2013, 11:19:56
Matt3o would you be my new dad?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: funkymeeba on Wed, 13 February 2013, 11:22:28
Man, I can't believe how much attention this got. All this time I thought nobody was interested in DSA caps at all. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 11:26:44
Matt3o would you be my new dad?

LOL :))

and here's the "you made my day" post of the day :)

oh and since we are already near the top tier on all kits, this GB ends sooner than expected :P talking about it with samwisekoi right now
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Dgsbllx on Wed, 13 February 2013, 11:31:58
I best get my ass in gear and get an order in!
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jcrouse on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:09:19
Matt3o would you be my new dad?

LOL :))

and here's the "you made my day" post of the day :)

oh and since we are already near the top tier on all kits, this GB ends sooner than expected :P talking about it with samwisekoi right now

Before the plum modifiers are added?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jil_jil32 on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:15:44
Mod extra rearragement

Since 1.75-units and Extra modifiers kits are not receiving much love I'd like to merge and remix them to see if we can reach a decent tier.

What are the keys you'd like to see in the new mod extra kit?

This is my idea:

Code: [Select]
new mod extra
1.75 alt, ctrl, return, tab, shift, backspace
2.0 back space, return

My educated guess (absolutely unconfirmed) for the pricing of such a kit would be
$168
$86
$59
$37
$21
...

thoughts?

Actually, I ordered it just because of the GREEN return 1.75x keycap, I think it's cool enough to have for my weird board. I can use blank keycaps for others ~.~
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jwaz on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:17:20
Maybe run a new DSA Retro set quarterly?
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:18:18
Matt3o would you be my new dad?

LOL :))

and here's the "you made my day" post of the day :)

oh and since we are already near the top tier on all kits, this GB ends sooner than expected :P talking about it with samwisekoi right now

Before the plum modifiers are added?

I'm confident we can have plum blanks. I don't know about mods.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:29:45
And plum mods just dropped a tier.

Speaking as another person that's ran a semi popular GB recently, I'm amazed with how streamlined your process has been.  High five
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:31:56
And plum mods just dropped a tier.

and brown ones reached 75! go go browns! :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:37:58
The "downside" of this is now I may need another keyboard to accommodate these two sets, klaxon's three, and r4's two.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Dgsbllx on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:39:32
Order placed!  I'm going to put them on the phantom i'm building with the wdf125 plate, so I'm hoping my order is correct  :-[
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:41:14
There are a lot of DCS 7 unit space bars still on order.  I have a feeling that a lot of people are unaware of the DSA availability.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:46:02
There are a lot of DCS 7 unit space bars still on order.  I have a feeling that a lot of people are unaware of the DSA availability.

I'm probably going to convert all DCS-7 in DSA-7 at the end of the GB.

PS: Alpha reached the highest tier  :eek:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:50:10
There are a lot of DCS 7 unit space bars still on order.  I have a feeling that a lot of people are unaware of the DSA availability.

I'm probably going to convert all DCS-7 in DSA-7 at the end of the GB.

Good idea.  But what about DCS-6?  There are probably a lot of the same there, but some people specifically need the universal one.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 12:56:18
Good idea.  But what about DCS-6?  There are probably a lot of the same there, but some people specifically need the universal one.

DCS-6 and DSA-6 should have different mount points. I'm waiting for specs from SP. DCS should be the one for Cherry g80-something. DSA has symmetric stems.

DCS-6.2 is the Universal SP spacebar (needed for leopold I believe), with 6 mount points and fits almost any keyboard (almost!). DSA 6.2 has only 3 stems, and it should be the "standard" filco one.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Wed, 13 February 2013, 13:01:28
Ooops...you are completely right.  Momentarily forgot about the quarter unit difference.  I was referring to the 6.25.  I have a feeling some of the universal buyers would prefer to have the better profile rather than the universal feature.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: plastboks on Wed, 13 February 2013, 13:04:48
Excellent ordering system. Just submitted a order.  :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Wed, 13 February 2013, 13:10:45
C64 Nostalgia is 1 away from another drop.  Poor Mod175 and ModExtra D:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: dirge on Wed, 13 February 2013, 13:54:50
C64 Nostalgia is 1 away from another drop.  Poor Mod175 and ModExtra D:

I agree, but the drops only by a fraction.  What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!

design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 13 February 2013, 15:05:11
I agree, but the drops only by a fraction.  What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!

design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.

Like this?

[attach=1]
60% Retro Blue with all 1x1 & 6.25 spacebar.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 13 February 2013, 15:08:29
I agree, but the drops only by a fraction.  What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!

design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.

Like this?

(Attachment Link)
60% Retro Blue with all 1x1 & 6.25 spacebar.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


Looks good, but your stagger is off.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 13 February 2013, 15:21:00
I agree, but the drops only by a fraction.  What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!

design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.

Like this?

(Attachment Link)
60% Retro Blue with all 1x1 & 6.25 spacebar.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Looks good, but your stagger is off.

Yep.  Quick knock-together illustration.  Heck, the ROWS aren't even straight.

If only I had a set of retro blues...

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Wed, 13 February 2013, 15:28:13
I agree, but the drops only by a fraction.  What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!

design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.

Like this?

(Attachment Link)
60% Retro Blue with all 1x1 & 6.25 spacebar.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Looks good, but your stagger is off.

Yep.  Quick knock-together illustration.  Heck, the ROWS aren't even straight.

If only I had a set of retro blues...

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Years from now when people who ordered SPH keys from R4 have passed, you should be able to find them in estate sales.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:28:51
If only I had a set of retro blues...

I want them as much as you do :) Just wait for Retro Blue Edition :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:33:17
I have specs for all the spacebars!

Choose wisely.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wiredPANDA on Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:36:01
If only I had a set of retro blues...

I want them as much as you do :) Just wait for Retro Blue Edition :)

Will the Retro Blue Edition be like the R4 SPH?  All White on Blue (core + mods), or will it be the same set with Coffee and then Blue mods?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:46:31
Will the Retro Blue Edition be like the R4 SPH?  All White on Blue (core + mods), or will it be the same set with Coffee and then Blue mods?

I was thinking all blue, but now that you mention it... blue and coffee wouldn't be that bad... mmmmmh like smurf-n-coffee set
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 13 February 2013, 17:22:59
I have specs for all the spacebars!

Choose wisely.

  • 6 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 40mm from center. This is a very peculiar spacebar, suitable for custom keyboards only.
  • 6.2 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 50mm from center. This has the standard Filco and the like mounting position.
  • 7 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. This is mainly for winkeyless.
  • 6 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 38mm from center. No clue what this is about
  • 6.2 units Universal DCS: This is the universal Signature Plastics 6 mount points space bar. This should fit most of the keyboards out there
  • 7 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. There's no reason to get this spacebar anymore being the 7u DSA a perfect alternative.

Damn, I chose them all.......I also checked my order again and it's now dropped to $280.64......unbelievable.  Of course you know what that means........need to order more keys.  :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 13 February 2013, 17:24:48
I was thinking all blue, but now that you mention it... blue and coffee wouldn't be that bad... mmmmmh like smurf-n-coffee set

Oh no.......you do know what happens when you step on a Smurf?  The brown colored stuff isn't coffee......... ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wasabah on Wed, 13 February 2013, 17:31:28
How are the chances for lime/plum blanks?

Blue and coffee? Omg, count me in!!  :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 13 February 2013, 19:46:47
DAT BLUE!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 13 February 2013, 20:44:19
Damn, now I'm really disappointed.  I thought the 6x spacebars would match the off-center cherry space from the G80-1800's.  What board would those center stemmed 6x fit??
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Tranquilite on Wed, 13 February 2013, 22:35:08
Still very interested in 1x Plum blanks. I need to fill in the block above the arrow cluster on my phantom.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Chicken Chaser on Thu, 14 February 2013, 00:50:51
Just ordered Kit 1 + Kit 3 + 6.25 universal spacebar!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 01:33:15
I was thinking all blue, but now that you mention it... blue and coffee wouldn't be that bad... mmmmmh like smurf-n-coffee set

Oh no.......you do know what happens when you step on a Smurf?  The brown colored stuff isn't coffee......... ;D

ahaha right. I have to make some tests. anyway blues are in round 2 so I'm not going to worry about them for now.

Damn, now I'm really disappointed.  I thought the 6x spacebars would match the off-center cherry space from the G80-1800's.  What board would those center stemmed 6x fit??

I have no f# clue. we could make a 6-units for the g80 but that would cost $800. there must be a really high interest for it.

Still very interested in 1x Plum blanks. I need to fill in the block above the arrow cluster on my phantom.

I'm trying to make this happen!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: wasabah on Thu, 14 February 2013, 01:41:23

Still very interested in 1x Plum blanks. I need to fill in the block above the arrow cluster on my phantom.

I'm trying to make this happen!


Please please please also lime ones? :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: simkev on Thu, 14 February 2013, 04:21:18
Please add blank plum and lime keys in 1u, 1ur, 1.25u, 1.5u, 1.75u, 2u and 2u2s
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: NexusKaiser on Thu, 14 February 2013, 07:01:05
Hmm... When would this GB close and payments collected? I've placed an order for one set only for budgetary reasons, but may change that to two along the way. Would help to know when the deadline is so I know roughly how long I have to (try) to gather more funds xD

Awesome keyset by the way ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 February 2013, 07:04:26
It will be open for a couple of weeks.  Better to put your full order in early if you really want it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 07:17:48
Hmm... When would this GB close and payments collected? I've placed an order for one set only for budgetary reasons, but may change that to two along the way. Would help to know when the deadline is so I know roughly how long I have to (try) to gather more funds xD

Read the OP carefully :P

Considering how fast this is selling, we are probably going to close this pretty soon.

Anyway don't worry I believe we attracted some vendors, so there's the chance you could buy this set later.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 14 February 2013, 07:44:32

Considering how fast this is selling, we are probably going to close this pretty soon.


Damn, at least give us a decent 12 hours notice before putting the brakes on this. 

I have a feeling this thing is going to get bigger than an Oil Tanker and you know how difficult that baby is to stop in time.  :o
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jcrouse on Thu, 14 February 2013, 07:50:30

Considering how fast this is selling, we are probably going to close this pretty soon.


Damn, at least give us a decent 12 hours notice before putting the brakes on this. 

I have a feeling this thing is going to get bigger than an Oil Tanker and you know how difficult that baby is to stop in time.  :o

Agreed. Although I have an order in, seems a few variables still exist, such as the plum or green mods. I think once the options are "locked" a fair amount of extra orders will be placed, or existing orders modified. Some are probably watching and waiting.

John
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Dgsbllx on Thu, 14 February 2013, 07:52:56
Provisional deadline in the OP is march 4th so we still have a reasonable amount of time
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 07:54:01
Don't worry people, I'm not going to remove the plug without at least 48 hours notice!

Also if we are going to add more mods and blanks of course we will give time to catch up.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 14 February 2013, 08:29:24
suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 14 February 2013, 08:32:34
suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.

(http://i.imgur.com/wBQdA1O.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 14 February 2013, 09:06:47
suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.

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(http://i.imgur.com/wBQdA1O.png)  (http://i.imgur.com/wBQdA1O.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Thu, 14 February 2013, 09:08:53
suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.

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ahh... the proxy has spoken.  I was hoping for some of the plum blanks, but it can wait for another buy.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: relcc on Thu, 14 February 2013, 09:09:49
I'm looking for a 1.5 plum color backspace key. Any change it can be fit in the tenkeyless or modifier set?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 14 February 2013, 09:13:06
suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.

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Ironically, the number of hands Sam will require for sorting the groupbuy.

Thank you, please tip your waitress, and try the shrimp scampi. (exits)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 09:45:19
samwisekoi has spoken.

no more kits. sorry.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 14 February 2013, 10:00:46
No more kits...

In this round.  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 10:04:02
I agree they are more than enough... and sincerely I thought we wouldn't have reached 50 tier... and look where we are instead...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 February 2013, 10:45:15
I think that's probably best.  It would be very difficult to start changing things around after everyone has already placed their order.

There is obviously massive support though, let's get the follow-up one going soon! :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: regack on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:16:44
I agree they are more than enough... and sincerely I thought we wouldn't have reached 50 tier... and look where we are instead...

I think we can thank your great UI for taking orders for part of it... :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:23:56
I agree they are more than enough... and sincerely I thought we wouldn't have reached 50 tier... and look where we are instead...

I think we can thank your great UI for taking orders for part of it... :D

This is my first GB, so I don't know if previous ones have been run like poorly planned bank heists -- but the interface Matt3o made really did make it easy to decide what I wanted to buy, and what was going to work for my keyboard. How did you put it together in the first place, Matt3o? Is that all custom programming on your part?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Binge on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:29:03
I agree they are more than enough... and sincerely I thought we wouldn't have reached 50 tier... and look where we are instead...

I think we can thank your great UI for taking orders for part of it... :D

This is my first GB, so I don't know if previous ones have been run like poorly planned bank heists -- but the interface Matt3o made really did make it easy to decide what I wanted to buy, and what was going to work for my keyboard. How did you put it together in the first place, Matt3o? Is that all custom programming on your part?

He can't tell you!  Matt3o must first teach his adopted GH children!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: fydo on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:34:55
Just a curious question about the C64 kit, "For a full Commodore 64 experience".

I've been looking at pictures of the C64 and I may be looking at the wrong thing, but I don't see where the lighter colored function row comes into play.

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1588537/c64.jpg)

Anyone able to shed some light on this? I'm considering picking up that kit as well. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:38:15
How did you put it together in the first place, Matt3o? Is that all custom programming on your part?

yes, it's all custom code. I was frustrated by Google Forms group buys, it's very difficult to follow GB in that form and if you want to modify your order you have to contact the GB organizer.

7bit's system is better but cumbersome especially for new users. I remember my first GB was with 7bit and as a complete newbie it scared me a little.

Also being able to see the realtime statistics I think it's crucial for GBs and I didn't want to update a forum post manually every day with updated stats.

At the end I like to think that part of the success of this GB is due to the management system I've built. Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.

He can't tell you!  Matt3o must first teach his adopted GH children!

ahaha too many mouths to feed

Just a curious question about the C64 kit, "For a full Commodore 64 experience".

Anyone able to shed some light on this? I'm considering picking up that kit as well. :)

sorry the color of the lighter row is off in the preview. The final color will be closer to this:

(http://i.imgur.com/iEPkm1D.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:39:04
also suggest hard order and payment deadlines. unpaid orders summarily cancelled. let's get this thing going ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:44:39
Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.

That is extremely generous of you. Thanks!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Binge on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:45:24

At the end I like to think that part of the success of this GB is due to the management system I've built. Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.



(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29191017.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 11:53:03
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LOL! Karma credit! Can I convert it into keycaps?

Here you go, this is a better representation of the c64 kit
(http://i.imgur.com/R72Ts9l.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 12:00:24
also suggest hard order and payment deadlines. unpaid orders summarily cancelled. let's get this thing going ;)

you really need to expand this. sorry I'm slow.

hard order?

unpaid orders summarily cancelled?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: fydo on Thu, 14 February 2013, 12:11:43
Here you go, this is a better representation of the c64 kit
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/R72Ts9l.png)


Aha! That clears that up for me, thanks. I just had a dark reference image. :)

I don't really need it, but I've added it to my order for fun.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 14 February 2013, 12:23:19
also suggest hard order and payment deadlines. unpaid orders summarily cancelled. let's get this thing going ;)

you really need to expand this. sorry I'm slow.

hard order?

unpaid orders summarily cancelled?
i recommend announcing a date at which orders will close as well as a date upon which payment is due as well as payment instructions. make these deadlines firm; ie, absolutely no orders or changes after deadline, and every order which is not fully paid by deadline is cancelled. this will allow you to submit your order to SP and pay your invoice on-time. result is that everyone gets their keys an order of magnitude faster.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 12:29:39
i recommend announcing a date at which orders will close as well as a date upon which payment is due as well as payment instructions. make these deadlines firm; ie, absolutely no orders or changes after deadline, and every order which is not fully paid by deadline is cancelled. this will allow you to submit your order to SP and pay your invoice on-time. result is that everyone gets their keys an order of magnitude faster.

A B S O L U T E L Y !

We have so many orders that I'll have no mercy!

If you don't pay in time your order is cancelled. No IFs no BUTs. You are out.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Dgsbllx on Thu, 14 February 2013, 12:31:46
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-naQ3-g7WBKs/Tm3nqTy2mbI/AAAAAAAAF28/Xv5hdGDat4U/s1600/umpire.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jil_jil32 on Thu, 14 February 2013, 12:42:58
Why no changes after the deadlines? =D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 14 February 2013, 12:47:03
That's it jil, you're out!  No questions!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jil_jil32 on Thu, 14 February 2013, 12:51:19
Awww ._.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 13:00:41
the problem is if the not-paying users make a tier step down. I'll try to take care of it adding some spares.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 14 February 2013, 13:06:02
So how does this work? You set a hard deadline beyond which no new orders will be allowed, and then state a secondary deadline for payment? I'm assuming you will send out PayPal invoices to everyone, they then have to pay before the deadline, or they will be dropped from the GB altogether. Is that correct?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 14 February 2013, 13:08:42
So how does this work? You set a hard deadline beyond which no new orders will be allowed, and then state a secondary deadline for payment? I'm assuming you will send out PayPal invoices to everyone, they then have to pay before the deadline, or they will be dropped from the GB altogether. Is that correct?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Exactly.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 14 February 2013, 13:30:30
Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.

That is extremely generous of you. Thanks!

AMG, yay!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 14 February 2013, 13:32:04
the problem is if the not-paying users make a tier step down. I'll try to take care of it adding some spares.
yes, you are unlikely to get a 100% conversion from order to payment. prepare appropriately.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 14 February 2013, 13:35:58
Here is a Blue and White 60% homage to the IBM Selectric done in all 1x1 with an optional 1.25x Mod set shown as well.

This would work for Brown as well, but I was guided by the photo of the Selectric with Blue D/S keycaps in the [IC] thread.

And this time the rows are lined up and staggering properly.  It should fit in a Poker case just fine.  :cool:

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Bullveyr on Thu, 14 February 2013, 14:17:54
At the end I like to think that part of the success of this GB is due to the management system I've built. Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.
Your fancy order form (+ number of kits) made me order much more than I actually "need". :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 February 2013, 20:24:38
You know what you should do?  Give your GB system to iMav.  They could host the GBs on Geekhack and configure it to slurp a buck off of every order to donate to the cause.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 14 February 2013, 21:13:40
You know what you should do?  Give your GB system to iMav.  They could host the GBs on Geekhack and configure it to slurp a buck off of every order to donate to the cause.
Don't.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 14 February 2013, 21:16:19
Don't.

That's an amazingly well thought out argument you've presented.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 14 February 2013, 21:40:12
Don't.

That's an amazingly well thought out argument you've presented.

"Don't." more elaborate: "You know what you shouldn't do? Give your GB system to iMav."

In short: I have a problem with GH's mentality to own (or steal) all intellectual properties of its users (thumbs up if they changed those terms by now).
But since Matt3o plans on making it open source, why should he "give" (let iMav/GH take over ownership) his code away? Just was poorly phrased by metalliqaz. Unless he intended to push Matt3o into transferring ownership...
Title: DSA Retro Set
Post by: fydo on Thu, 14 February 2013, 21:50:42
I imagine if he just threw the source up on Github or something, we can all contribute any changes (or fork and make our own versions, depending on whatever license he chooses)
I'd imagine this group buy software would be beneficial to even non-keycap group buys, so it's very generous that it would made open source. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Thu, 14 February 2013, 23:15:48
Settle down.  No one would ever ask such a thing of Matt.  There is no reason to think iMav or anyone else would.  It would be completely inappropriate and unnecessary.  It's his software to do with as he pleases.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 14 February 2013, 23:21:35
I think the whole point of the post was that, as consumers, we should be giving something back to the forum we take for granted. If everyone who participated in a GB had $1.00 added to their order, it would make for a small, good faith donation back to the site.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 14 February 2013, 23:47:21
I think the whole point of the post was that, as consumers, we should be giving something back to the forum we take for granted. If everyone who participated in a GB had $1.00 added to their order, it would make for a small, good faith donation back to the site.
And by site you sure mean GH.
What about DT? This GB originates from there after all...
Donations to either site is shiit. Rather give Matt3o the extra moneys for his programming efforts and hosting not only this GB software but also his other projects which are useful for the community.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: cix on Thu, 14 February 2013, 23:48:36
This group buy is soooooo full of win
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 14 February 2013, 23:54:42
I think the whole point of the post was that, as consumers, we should be giving something back to the forum we take for granted. If everyone who participated in a GB had $1.00 added to their order, it would make for a small, good faith donation back to the site.
And by site you sure mean GH.
What about DT? This GB originates from there after all...
Donations to either site is shiit. Rather give Matt3o the extra moneys for his programming efforts and hosting not only this GB software but also his other projects which are useful for the community.

I'm a member of both forums, obviously. But I find there is more activity here on GH, so that's where I find myself more often. I'm not going to bash DT here, but you can see from the order form how many orders come from each site.

Orders from Deskthority Users: 37
Orders from Geekhack Users: 117
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Acanthophis on Fri, 15 February 2013, 00:08:17
Who ****in cares about how many orders were made from either forum? This has no corelation to potential "donations" and its recipient(s).
So, after you said you won't bash DT you are straight referring to order numbers. That's some sort of bashing in my eyes. Comparing **** sizes is always 'bashing' for me.
Did you also count the 'tier smashers'? Strangely, although GH has far more orders, the tier smasher's percentage is higher on the DT side.
Since you seem to care about those comparisons, I took the effort to write those short sentences.

Anyway, I will not let someone force me "donate" to something I don't support.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 15 February 2013, 00:10:15
you're free to not post on this forum, and regardless i encourage you to move discussion of topics that might derail the thread (ie, intellectual property) rights to a more appropriate thread and forum.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 01:46:49
Point 1
The software (which I should find a fancy name for) will be released under GPL license. So no Geekhack nor other entities will have its ownership. Unless they want to buy it, very unluckily.

Point 2
The software will be released on Github for everyone to see, use, fork.

Point 3
Better integration with this forum and Deskthority is desirable (eg: sending the Order ID via PM)

Point 4
If Geekhack wants to offer the software as a service, that would be great. Meaning that if you want to organize your GB and you don't have hosting or the technical abilities, you could use GH's GB service. But this just came out of my mind, I have no proof of this ever happening. Actually, if there's really high interest in something like that, I could set up a server just for it. BUT please note that something like that would have a cost to me that I would have to cover somehow (being donations or whatever).

Point 5
GH vs DT feud is ridiculous. Stop it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 15 February 2013, 01:58:19
want to add that we're super excited about the possibilities; i only took a quick look at the order site, but hash and rknize are both going crazy over how slick it is. no rush to throw it up on github, but when you do we will deffo take a look and see what kind of integration/contributions we can manage short and long-term (that damned to-do list of ours is several miles long).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Fri, 15 February 2013, 05:03:39
Yes. I cant say enough about how slick that interface is. I only took part of this GB to use it! :p J/K

Maybe at the very bottom there could be an option to check to donate $1 or something.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 15 February 2013, 06:04:04
Yes. I cant say enough about how slick that interface is. I only took part of this GB to use it! :p J/K

Maybe at the very bottom there could be an option to check to donate $1 or something.

Exactly.  When I first used Matt3o's link I was amazed.  It was so 'professionally' laid out with little pics showing clearly what you are buying.  In fact I chose more gear because the way he laid out all the keys.  Very sneaky but highly effective, you should work for the major retailers they would pay you big money to design their store purchases the way you've done it here.

Also I don't mind handing over some money to GH, because I waste so much time on here bothering so many people.  :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 07:03:18
you should work for the major retailers

who said I'm not already working for them :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 15 February 2013, 07:27:13
I think the whole point of the post was that, as consumers, we should be giving something back to the forum we take for granted. If everyone who participated in a GB had $1.00 added to their order, it would make for a small, good faith donation back to the site.

It's all up to Matt3o on what he wants to do with his software. He would be completely within his rights to sell the software to other groupbuy leaders, or keep it exclusively as his own, so his groupbuys dominate in awesomeness. I don't know if Matt3o and samwisekoi are making any profit off this current groupbuy, but if they are making a profit I hope it's a decent one, because they deserve it. In fact, I hope they are making a profit. Why? Because when something is profitable, you get more of it.

If Matt3o wants to give his software away, that's his business, and he should not feel pressured into doing so. He and every other successful groupbuy organizer has already done enough for the community; they don't deserve to be pressured into doing even more.

I would not mind donating $1 towards GH for my groupbuy order; but it should be stated up front that it's happening. Just keep everything transparent. Maybe make it a variable/option for the software to change the amount, and/or who gets the extra. Maybe have $2, and one dollar each goes to GH and DT, and any other participating forums. Or split the 'tithe' proportionally. That would incentivize participation from other forums, lowering prices for everyone.

The utility of his groupbuy setup made me look at how the other groupbuys managed their own, and it got me to thinking -- there should be some database listing all the keys and key sizes required for every board we can manage to find. Then you could plug the kind of board you have into the system, and it would spit out what pieces you would need to purchase for your board. So you plug in a Filco with a model number, and it tells you whether the groupbuy can outfit your board, and then shows you what you should (or could) purchase. No more puzzling over the components.

Anyway, great GB, great leadership from the organizers, all hail the glories of Capitalism!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 08:06:54
just to be clear, since I never spoke about this.

I am not making any profit from this. I would have stated that clearly in the OP otherwise. Actually, if you put together the time spent organizing the GB and developing the software these keycaps are costing me quite a bit :P I'm not even collecting money, samwisekoi is, so I'm really doing it just for karma.

That being said. To cover people that inevitably are not going to pay we will overcharge the final cost a small %. If we end up with more money than needed we might have an additional custom key, or some free caps for samwisekoi (who has to sort all that stuff), or donations to GH and DT. I don't know yet.

Regarding the management software. I can't stand group buys managed with Google docs, it's such a broken system. If there's interest I could set up a service for everyone to use and in that case I'll need to find a way to get a return. Worst case scenario I'll release it as open source and work on it in my spare time (but in that case you need your webhost and a minimum of technical abilities).

'nuf said
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tjweir on Fri, 15 February 2013, 08:45:11
Point 5
GH vs DT feud is ridiculous. Stop it.

+1
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 15 February 2013, 09:08:35
just to be clear, since I never spoke about this.

I am not making any profit from this. I would have stated that clearly in the OP otherwise. Actually, if you put together the time spent organizing the GB and developing the software these keycaps are costing me quite a bit :P I'm not even collecting money, samwisekoi is, so I'm really doing it just for karma.

'nuf said

Good morning all.  Sigh.  Three things.

#1 My hope is not to lose money.  Otherwise, what Matt3o said goes.

#2 Let's take " 'nuf said " as an indication that this sub-topic is done unless someone wants to continue it elsewhere.  If so, please shoot me a PM and I'll split the thread so the sub-thread can continue somewhere else.

#3 Look over there!  Really cool retro keycaps!  Brown!  Plum!  Green!  Someday Blue!  Woo-hoo!  Let's talk about how much we like them, want them, and will use them!

Peace out, y'all.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 09:16:29
(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/11/climate-change-arabica-coffee-extinct-2-537x358.jpg)

(http://wellofhealth.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/plum.jpg)

(http://fantasy-faction.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/captain-picard-full-of-win.jpg)

ps: no money losing, that's for sure!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 February 2013, 09:22:52
Plum modifiers are the color of Picard's uniform? Epic win!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:12:21
Coffee and plum...chocolate and raspberry...whatever.  It will be awesome!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:15:10
Coffee and plum...chocolate and raspberry...whatever.  It will be awesome!

chocolate is TGH, coffee is TBN :P

wanna try it? http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:20:36
Ahh...I forgot about how Europeans like their chocolate.  ;)

Edit: nice color wheel, BTW!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Larken on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:23:10
already looking forward to R2.

you know, I had originally sworn off buying anymore keycaps, but this set was too awesome to pass up. I blame matt3o and samwisekoi for pure awesomeness.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:26:17
already looking forward to R2.

you know, I had originally sworn off buying anymore keycaps, but this set was too awesome to pass up. I blame matt3o and samwisekoi for pure awesomeness.

Please no calling these "R" anything.  "The next round" will do nicely!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:28:01

Please no calling these "R" anything.  "The next round" will do nicely!


DSA Retro Blue Edition, please :)

or DSA ReBlEd if you want :P

PS: reply to emails :P we need to set a deadline on this
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Larken on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:31:00
woops, sorry. apparently there's some unknown landmine I stepped on there. :(

DSA Retro Blue = much want.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:31:32
Ron and Matteo, for "Retro Blue Edition" is there any thought of making the white on blue in SA profile, instead of DSA? I know they sit taller on the board, but they are also much thicker.

And yes, I know it overlaps with 7bit's R4. I still want them.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: tmk1207 on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:34:28
Coffee and plum...chocolate and raspberry...whatever.  It will be awesome!

chocolate is TGH, coffee is TBN :P

wanna try it? http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/

oh oh great ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:36:19
The SA profile is riddled with problems.  Look carefully at the "R4" Wiki on DT.  You may notice that some of the modifiers don't appear to be the right size.  SA didn't have any of the right space bars either, but R4 paid for those by spreading the cost across the entire GB.  I wouldn't want to do anything with SA until R4 finally ships something and we get to see what they really look like on a modern keyboard.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:37:33
Ron and Matteo, for "Retro Blue Edition" is there any thought of making the white on blue in SA profile, instead of DSA? I know they sit taller on the board, but they are also much thicker.

And yes, I know it overlaps with 7bit's R4. I still want them.

SA doesn't have right shift and return key (I seem to recall).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: rknize on Fri, 15 February 2013, 10:52:33
They only have 2-unit, or some such.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 11:15:57
DEADLINE SET TO 2013-02-18 23:59:59 GMT

This is the deadline for placing new orders.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: jil_jil32 on Fri, 15 February 2013, 11:18:04
Deadline already??? Oh my...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: wiredPANDA on Fri, 15 February 2013, 11:31:22
Got me to put in an order, now - when will be the cutoff to modify an existing order?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Dgsbllx on Fri, 15 February 2013, 11:32:15
Cleared cookies and forgot about this order form! Time to submit another order, which is probably a good idea for me anyway because I can double check everything now the deadline is so near.
Love the speed of this groupbuy  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 11:38:17
Got me to put in an order, now - when will be the cutoff to modify an existing order?

you'll have a very short window to modify or cancel an order. Less than 24h. (actually the time that Melissa will take to confirm pricing next Monday and for me to do some math for the final kits cost :P )
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Sai on Fri, 15 February 2013, 12:02:36
oh well. makes me worry for a while after seeing the deadline thing without reading it carefully.  :-X

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Fri, 15 February 2013, 12:10:49
Can I ask what international shipping will cost?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 12:21:48
Can I ask what international shipping will cost?

I'm waiting for confirmation from samwisekoi on that. I guess around $25
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 15 February 2013, 13:34:25
Just to be clear... listen carefully.

I don't know where this **** came from but I'm NOT going to leave this GB. 7bit has nothing to share with this GB, he helped with the IC like many of you did, that's all. This creature is mine you'll have to rip it out of gory teeth if you want it!

And thanks for wasting my and samwisekoi time!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 February 2013, 13:45:19
???
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 15 February 2013, 13:51:09
OK, so I've been staying out of this thread because I didn't want a set of these, despite the awesome change in profile etc. I do have to commend you on the GB order system though Matt! That thing is SUPERB!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set
Post by: Bullveyr on Fri, 15 February 2013, 13:52:37
Only thing that worries me is that the stepped DCS Capslock might look ugly.

Show Image
(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/11/climate-change-arabica-coffee-extinct-2-537x358.jpg)

Rofl, now I know why there are lime keys.  :))
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 15 February 2013, 13:52:59
wut...

Why is this ending after one week? If someone happened to be on vacation/holiday they just missed out. Something like this should run at least a month if not longer.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 15 February 2013, 13:54:02
Flash GB, the new, better way to run a GB!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: i3oilermaker on Fri, 15 February 2013, 13:54:12
Ya snooze ya lose
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 February 2013, 13:55:47
Reminds me of i3oilermakers group buys. Quick and easy! :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 15 February 2013, 14:07:40
I agree.  We have enough orders for good prices, let's do this thing.  No need to stretch it out.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 15 February 2013, 14:10:19
There will always be people that miss out on directly participating in a GB.  And there will always be people that got in on the GB that are willing to sell on their sets.  This will not be changed by having a GB go on for months.
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 15 February 2013, 14:21:01
Quick and easy! :D
TWSS! :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Tranquilite on Fri, 15 February 2013, 15:23:30
Still a bit sad about the lack of 1x plum blanks (I'm a broken record, I know), but that's mostly because I just don't see plum coming back in the immediate future. But then again, maybe I'm wrong, and plum will make a triumphant return the next time somebody organizes a spherical GB. Though to be honest, if the price tiers for 1x coffee blanks indicates anything, I could just order 10 1x plum blanks myself and still get a good deal...

I'm am happy about how speedy this group buy is progressing. I've always wanted to try out spherical caps, I love the color scheme, and this is as cheap as these caps are going to get, I suspect. Good work Matt3o and samwisekoi!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Kabuks on Fri, 15 February 2013, 15:27:04
Ordered. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: rknize on Fri, 15 February 2013, 15:35:37
Matt may hook us up in Round Blue.  Some folks in EU are also hoping for language layouts for this color scheme, so I won't be surprised if those show up in the next round as well as "make up" sets or something.  :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: blighty on Fri, 15 February 2013, 15:41:29
Still a bit sad about the lack of 1x plum blanks (I'm a broken record, I know), but that's mostly because I just don't see plum coming back in the immediate future.
You could always find out the MOQ for the DSA 1x plum blanks from SP and run a mini group buy concurrently with this one.  Getting them made now increases the chances that the color matches (ex. Klaxon red not matching Red Alert 2.0 red).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: aggiejy on Fri, 15 February 2013, 15:44:15
Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.

That is extremely generous of you. Thanks!

AMG, yay!

Indeed!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 February 2013, 20:43:58
Matt3o, one thing to think about (you probably already are), is that, as of right now, the people who ordered Mod175 would pay less, in total per person, if you doubled all their orders than if it stayed at 8 orders.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: oTurtlez on Fri, 15 February 2013, 21:56:13
Just as a clarification, the TKL set with all the modifiers comes with a long right shift AND and a 1.75 right shift?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 16 February 2013, 00:24:12
Got me to put in an order, now - when will be the cutoff to modify an existing order?

you'll have a very short window to modify or cancel an order. Less than 24h. (actually the time that Melissa will take to confirm pricing next Monday and for me to do some math for the final kits cost :p )

You kind of got me scared, because I thought this would go for some time like Toxic has.  When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).

Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet.  Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.

Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: gnubag on Sat, 16 February 2013, 00:26:42
damn... i would like a modifier pack for the gh60 ansi w/ winkey
so basically the tkl modifier pack without the f-key row, arrowkeys, insert block, and the keys above.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 16 February 2013, 01:36:06
You kind of got me scared, because I thought this would go for some time like Toxic has.  When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).

Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet.  Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.

Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.

- Monday new order freeze
- Tue/Wed edit/cancel freeze
- from there probably 1 week to pay

this is what probably will happen, but we are setting up the paperwork in order to not have the paypal account blocked. This might take some time that will give all of you more time to pay.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 16 February 2013, 02:21:44
My order just keeps getting bigger every time I look at that order form.
I've been on this forum for three weeks and I'm well into the 1400 dollar mark.
GEEZ. ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 16 February 2013, 04:39:51
Call to Europeans
when this GB will be completed I'm going to set up a Pan European kit for this set. The DSA Retro EU Kit

The kit will include: DE, IT, SE, NO, FR, UK. And possibly others.

If you are interested in the Retro set consider that this might be your only chance to get a DSA set in your locale.

Note to UK users and people who ordered the Extra kit
I'm not yet sure if SP has all the molds for the Extra kit (waiting for reply from SP). If this is not the case we are going to remove the keys they don't have the molds for. In that case the UK keys will be moved to the EU Expansion kit.
Title: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Batmann on Sat, 16 February 2013, 08:25:18
My order just keeps getting bigger every time I look at that order form.
I've been on this forum for three weeks and I'm well into the 1400 dollar mark.
GEEZ. ;D

That is a decent score! Too many awesome GB running at the moment
When I joined I was like "well 2 boards is enough"
Now I have 3 more coming and at least 4 keycap sets on hold
One does not simply fight off keyboard addiction!

Back on topic, Matteo I hope I can afford the French add on (gonna be a very limited run I guess!), I also feel like coming by to hug you, we are neighbor after all :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 16 February 2013, 08:30:28
Back on topic, Matteo I hope I can afford the French add on (gonna be a very limited run I guess!),

we would like to make 1 set with all languages, it will be more expensive but all languages will meet the MOQ. Also I'd like to add a special key to the mix. Don't know yet what.

I also feel like coming by to hug you, we are neighbor after all :)

sure, be my guest :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: mickd on Sat, 16 February 2013, 09:39:15
Make it epic enough and you might get a lot of non-European people buying in too :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: AKIMbO on Sat, 16 February 2013, 10:02:20
Just joined this GB....needed the awesome keys for my edox. 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Acanthophis on Sat, 16 February 2013, 11:55:03
When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).

Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet.  Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.

Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.
Why join a GB when you don't have money?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: DamienG on Sat, 16 February 2013, 13:50:53
Because you think you'll have the money by the time it's required?

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Acanthophis on Sat, 16 February 2013, 14:31:56
Well, it's required within 2 weeks max (9 days, if the 18th is the deadline for orders and money collection lasts a week). Will the pay check come by then? No? Then don't join. Simple.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: sadbox on Sat, 16 February 2013, 15:27:39
You kind of got me scared, because I thought this would go for some time like Toxic has.  When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).

Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet.  Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.

Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.

- Monday new order freeze
- Tue/Wed edit/cancel freeze
- from there probably 1 week to pay

this is what probably will happen, but we are setting up the paperwork in order to not have the paypal account blocked. This might take some time that will give all of you more time to pay.



I hope you end up waiting till feb. 28/march 1. I imagine you'll lose a few orders to people waiting for checks to get cashed, etc.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: RickyJ on Sat, 16 February 2013, 16:53:24
Dammit, 5 keys away from being able to do a full set for a Race!  Up/down/left/right/End in 1.25x. :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Sat, 16 February 2013, 16:57:33
Dammit, 5 keys away from being able to do a full set for a Race!  Up/down/left/right/End in 1.25x. :(

Blanks!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: RickyJ on Sat, 16 February 2013, 17:06:35
Didn't see that small line! :)

Race DSA keys required
1x base
1x TKL plum
1x 1.5x mods for delete/escape (but no plum delete)
1x 1.25 mods for right shift (but no plum option)
1x 1.0x mods for  right Ctrl (but no plum option)
5x 1.25x blanks for up/down/left/right/End (but no plum option)

Still not doable in the brown/plum colourway. :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: sadbox on Sat, 16 February 2013, 19:29:45
When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).

Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet.  Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.

Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.
Why join a GB when you don't have money?

I could imagine that some people are a bit drained until next paycheck after the couple korean boards + various key buys this month.

That being said, I'm totally ready for some crazy-ass retro keys.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 16 February 2013, 19:41:30
Well, it's required within 2 weeks max (9 days, if the 18th is the deadline for orders and money collection lasts a week). Will the pay check come by then? No? Then don't join. Simple.

Hey Moron......yes you I'm talking to.  This coming week is my payday, hence you don't need to worry you're little brain about when I will front up with the money.  Matt30 will get the moolah this coming 20th.

I thought of everyone else here, but I guess you don't give a toss about anyone else other than yourself....... typical of some selfish individuals.  But if you want to run a ONE Day Group Buy be my guest.

We'll see how many sign up to that one ........hehe.  :p :p :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 16 February 2013, 19:45:56
I hope you end up waiting till feb. 28/march 1. I imagine you'll lose a few orders to people waiting for checks to get cashed, etc.

If he wants to call in the money next week ........17th to the 22nd of Feb he can, I'll deposit my paypal amount easily.  I get paid like most with company deposits into my Bank Account.  I just get use to mentioning "Pay Cheques" because I use to get paid that way in the early 80's.

Everything now is instant payment, unless you get Casual Rates and not on permanent contract.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: simkev on Sun, 17 February 2013, 05:06:15
Would someone be up for running a groupbuy for blank keys in coffee, plum and lime?
Kinda hard for me to do since I am in Sweden.
It should include 1u, 1ur, 1.25u, 1.5u, 1.75u, 2u and 2u2s in all three colors.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 17 February 2013, 05:54:09
I didn't order, but I looked at your order form. IT'S SWEET!?!11!!!


How hard is that to make?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 05:56:21
I didn't order, but I looked at your order form. IT'S SWEET!?!11!!!


How hard is that to make?

thanks
the whole system took me 2 days, I would probably need another 3/4 days to make it general purpose
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 17 February 2013, 05:57:53
I didn't order, but I looked at your order form. IT'S SWEET!?!11!!!


How hard is that to make?

thanks
the whole system took me 2 days, I would probably need another 3/4 days to make it general purpose

How is it hosted? I've only used google forms. It's nice, but yours is way nicer

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 06:09:37
How is it hosted? I've only used google forms. It's nice, but yours is way nicer

on one of my servers, but it needs very little infrastructure (just PHP, no db)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 17 February 2013, 06:12:07
How is it hosted? I've only used google forms. It's nice, but yours is way nicer

on one of my servers, but it needs very little infrastructure (just PHP, no db)

Dang, I have no server or PHP skillz :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 06:23:02
Dang, I have no server or PHP skillz :(

I'm toying with the idea of offering it as a service (on my server on its own domain)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 17 February 2013, 06:28:37
Dang, I have no server or PHP skillz :(

I'm toying with the idea of offering it as a service (on my server on its own domain)

I'd be interested, but that would be based on cost ofc
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 06:32:24
I'd be interested, but that would be based on cost ofc

extremely community friendly :) maybe even donation based. I don't know, maybe I could open a thread for that.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Krogenar on Sun, 17 February 2013, 07:27:43
Maybe release it as a drupal module?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 07:33:38
Maybe release it as a drupal module?

also a good idea. or wordpress plugin :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: sicaine on Sun, 17 February 2013, 10:22:50
Why not just github it? : )

I would make patches for it
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 10:47:56
Why not just github it? : )

I would make patches for it

that's another story, you need a server and some technical skills to install and use it though. I'd like to set up a server for everyone to use. No server, no skill needed.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 17 February 2013, 10:50:10
What color are the C64 kit keys?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 10:52:44
What color are the C64 kit keys?

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#GFW,WA
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 17 February 2013, 10:58:29
Thanks for the quick reply! I love your color tool. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: oluf on Sun, 17 February 2013, 11:50:09
What color are the C64 kit keys?

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#GFW,WA

Wow! That is really cool!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Sun, 17 February 2013, 12:35:07
Can I ask what international shipping will cost?

I'm waiting for confirmation from samwisekoi on that. I guess around $25

Thought that might be the case... That really adds to the cost of one set...  No chance of getting it sent with the Klaxon order from tjcaustin I suppose?!  (I know that won't be possible really lol)

Have to get deciding - just over 24hrs left!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 12:39:16
oh c'mon $ > € and $ > £ exchange are so favourable for us
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Sun, 17 February 2013, 12:45:46
Fair point - but the postage turns a £40 set into a £57 set...  That combined with payday being a week away means some hard decisions...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 February 2013, 12:53:12
a couple of vendors took this set, it may be available later, but of course at a way higher price.

also please note that the price exposed is the raw keycaps cost. the final price will be higher to cover expenses. Next Tuesday we should be able to give you the final price.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: sicaine on Sun, 17 February 2013, 13:11:12
Why not just github it? : )

I would make patches for it

that's another story, you need a server and some technical skills to install and use it though. I'd like to set up a server for everyone to use. No server, no skill needed.

I'm a software engineere, and i do like the idea of having such a nice little gem as open source and installable on my server :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: jabar on Sun, 17 February 2013, 13:53:50
man I wish another 50 people would hop on the 1.75 mod set...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 17 February 2013, 15:34:18
not sure what that set is for
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (deadline approaching!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 17 February 2013, 16:15:54
Can I ask what international shipping will cost?

I'm waiting for confirmation from samwisekoi on that. I guess around $25

Thought that might be the case... That really adds to the cost of one set...  No chance of getting it sent with the Klaxon order from tjcaustin I suppose?!  (I know that won't be possible really lol)

Have to get deciding - just over 24hrs left!

I'm down if they are, you have plenty of room in that med flat rate box.  Just have to get it to me.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Krogenar on Sun, 17 February 2013, 17:25:27
Currently 199 orders... let's break the 200 mark!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 02:36:17
Time left to place new orders 15h 25m

So Far
Orders placed: 207
Kits ordered: 6495
Total Value: $33,833.71

Remember that the final price will be higher but you'll have 2 days to change or cancel your orders (but not to place new orders).

Europeans, there will be an EU kit with all major languages if we receive enough orders from Europe!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 18 February 2013, 02:50:30
Can I ask what international shipping will cost?

I'm waiting for confirmation from samwisekoi on that. I guess around $25

Thought that might be the case... That really adds to the cost of one set...  No chance of getting it sent with the Klaxon order from tjcaustin I suppose?!  (I know that won't be possible really lol)

Have to get deciding - just over 24hrs left!

I'm down if they are, you have plenty of room in that med flat rate box.  Just have to get it to me.

That would be awesome!  I'll send you a PM for your address as that needs to go on the form.

Cheers mate - now I owe you another favour!

GK
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: TDub on Mon, 18 February 2013, 03:24:47
Not sure if this was asked before, but can we also get blanks in plum or green? Otherwise my 2 Ergodox with this set will be almost exclusively coffee without much plum or green :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 03:31:01
Not sure if this was asked before, but can we also get blanks in plum or green? Otherwise my 2 Ergodox with this set will be almost exclusively coffee without much plum or green :(

not in this first round. if there's enough interest we can make an expansion pack.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: salmo on Mon, 18 February 2013, 07:55:34
I love the set.  Your order system is great. Only one suggestion: have it email the magic number or a link with it to the paypal email given.  I just sent it to myself so I don't lose it.

Almost missed this, but got my order in.  Thanks!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: boost on Mon, 18 February 2013, 08:16:20
Ordered 2 complete sets!! Can't wait to get these :)

Thanks Matt30!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 08:32:21
I love the set.  Your order system is great. Only one suggestion: have it email the magic number or a link with it to the paypal email given.  I just sent it to myself so I don't lose it.

Almost missed this, but got my order in.  Thanks!

I'm setting up a features wish list for the management software. Next time it will be even better :) This time we have limited features, sending email is a hassle and I preferred to go live earlier and stripping it out.

Ordered 2 complete sets!! Can't wait to get these :)

Thanks Matt30!

Mooost welcome :) glad you liked it.

"3-oh" not "3-zero" :P important detail :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: boost on Mon, 18 February 2013, 08:34:54
I love the set.  Your order system is great. Only one suggestion: have it email the magic number or a link with it to the paypal email given.  I just sent it to myself so I don't lose it.

Almost missed this, but got my order in.  Thanks!

I'm setting up a features wish list for the management software. Next time it will be even better :) This time we have limited features, sending email is a hassle and I preferred to go live earlier and stripping it out.

Ordered 2 complete sets!! Can't wait to get these :)

Thanks Matt30!

Mooost welcome :) glad you liked it.

"3-oh" not "3-zero" :P important detail :)

ohhh, mybad. Thanks Matt3o!!!!!!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 18 February 2013, 11:16:01
Unicorn vomit? You decide...

(http://i.imgur.com/K1LkNYt.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 18 February 2013, 11:19:01
Unicorn vomit? You decide...

More than 3 colors is unicorn vomit. Look it up. :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 18 February 2013, 11:38:16
A final (hopefully) couple of questions - what is the time frame for these?  In terms of getting produced etc?  Just because tj has offered to ship my set over here (UK) with our Klaxon order but I don't want to hold up delivery of that too much.  Will these be shipping at (approximately) the same time as Klaxon?  Also, any ideas (even roughly) on the extra costs on top of the 'raw' price (excluding shipping obviously) ?

Thanks

George
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 18 February 2013, 11:50:48
A final (hopefully) couple of questions - what is the time frame for these?  In terms of getting produced etc?  Just because tj has offered to ship my set over here (UK) with our Klaxon order but I don't want to hold up delivery of that too much.  Will these be shipping at (approximately) the same time as Klaxon?  Also, any ideas (even roughly) on the extra costs on top of the 'raw' price (excluding shipping obviously) ?

Thanks

George

The hope for me is to have things ready to ship by the end of May at the latest(if that helps.)

And since I've got a set, too, they should be able to fit all in the same small flat rate box (if priority is an option), meaning you won't have to even pay for shipping to me. 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 18 February 2013, 12:13:07
Sounds even better!  I'm just figuring out money stuff this end but on the order form it says

"The actual final cost is higher and will include custom keys molds, shipping, paypal fees, packaging and spare pieces to cover SP errors"

and I was wondering how much higher it will end up...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: guilleguillaume on Mon, 18 February 2013, 12:37:29
I know some of you may have seen this pictures already but just to show everyone how this should look in your keyboards:

(http://i.imgur.com/siRuOjc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/KOy0jwY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/7DZKiaa.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/YpMVjO1.jpg)

You can see relegendables on one of the keyboards.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: cgbuen on Mon, 18 February 2013, 12:40:34
Unicorn vomit? You decide...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K1LkNYt.png)


Just to be sure.. there aren't going to be Super/Meta mods in plum, are there?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 12:49:03
mmmhh... those keyboards with those keys... are so sexy... something is moving here below

Just to be sure.. there aren't going to be Super/Meta mods in plum, are there?

nope
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 13:16:51
I got confirmation from SP that DSA 7 units spacebar has the same mounting points than DCS 7 units. So all DCS will be converted into DSA.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: megnin on Mon, 18 February 2013, 13:22:22
I just had to get in on this one.  I think the brown and plum keys look great.   
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: DamienG on Mon, 18 February 2013, 13:26:31
I got confirmation from SP that DSA 7 units spacebar has the same mounting points than DCS 7 units. So all DCS will be converted into DSA.
Any news on whether the 2 and 3 with UK symbols in the extras kit actually exist or whether we'll have to hold out for the euro kit?

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 18 February 2013, 13:48:54
PM'd with a couple of questions Matt3o
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 February 2013, 13:54:48
How do you get your order ID if it isn't saved as a cookie?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Dgsbllx on Mon, 18 February 2013, 13:57:36
How do you get your order ID if it isn't saved as a cookie?

Meant to write it down. If you submit a new order though it just overwrites your old one.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 14:13:17
Any news on whether the 2 and 3 with UK symbols in the extras kit actually exist or whether we'll have to hold out for the euro

The extra kit is confirmed. All keys are available without surcharge.

How do you get your order ID if it isn't saved as a cookie?

Resend a new order with the same username. The previous will be overwritten, otherwise send me a PM and I'll send your order ID.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 18 February 2013, 14:18:21
I have a feeling this set is going to look stunning, especially because of the variety of colors. I'm curious to see how people will mix it up and which keyboards they'll put them on. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 18 February 2013, 14:29:26
Unicorn vomit? You decide...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K1LkNYt.png)


Try it with the brown set, might look less unicorn-y.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 18 February 2013, 14:31:34
I have a feeling this set is going to look stunning, especially because of the variety of colors. I'm curious to see how people will mix it up and which keyboards they'll put them on. :)

ErgoDox

and my custom 40% keyboard prototype. Wait, what?! That's just crazy talk...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 18 February 2013, 14:36:38
Order placed!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: wiredPANDA on Mon, 18 February 2013, 15:07:50
I have a feeling this set is going to look stunning, especially because of the variety of colors. I'm curious to see how people will mix it up and which keyboards they'll put them on. :)

ErgoDox

and my custom 40% keyboard prototype. Wait, what?! That's just crazy talk...

ErgoDox - this.  Ordered a set of the black PBT DSA keys from MassDrop.  But - look how much better these will look.

I'm ready for the next round, though, and hoping for white on blue.  Those would look great on the ErgoDox with it's blue PCB.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 18 February 2013, 15:32:07
Jesus... $40,000 in keycaps. Signature Plastics must be the place to work at if that's what we get from a small community's group. Imagine what WYSE commissioned SP for. $1,000,000? More? O.o
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 18 February 2013, 15:36:06
Jesus... $40,000 in keycaps. Signature Plastics must be the place to work at if that's what we get from a small community's group. Imagine what WYSE commissioned SP for. $1,000,000? More? O.o

Heh. It wasn't SP back then that WYSE bought keycaps from. It was Comptec. Signature Plastics was established in 2001 following a management buyout of assets and customer base of Comptec Inc.

Sorry for the OT. :)
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 18 February 2013, 15:40:41
Jesus... $40,000 in keycaps. Signature Plastics must be the place to work at if that's what we get from a small community's group. Imagine what WYSE commissioned SP for. $1,000,000? More? O.o

Heh. It wasn't SP back then that WYSE bought keycaps from. It was Comptec. Signature Plastics was established in 2001 following a management buyout of assets and customer base of Comptec Inc.

Sorry for the OT. :)
Oh interesting. Thanks for that tidbit! Still, $35K in keycaps is insane.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 February 2013, 16:05:56
How do you get your order ID if it isn't saved as a cookie?

Resend a new order with the same username. The previous will be overwritten, otherwise send me a PM and I'll send your order ID.

Maybe send that via email.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 16:56:59
one hour left, gents.

speak now or forever hold your peace
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: epicsilas on Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:10:16
I know some of you may have seen this pictures already but just to show everyone how this should look in your keyboards:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/siRuOjc.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/KOy0jwY.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/7DZKiaa.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YpMVjO1.jpg)


You can see relegendables on one of the keyboards.

Wow! We should have a GB for some of those! They look awesome.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 24h to order)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:40:26
one hour left, gents.

speak now or forever hold your peace

Trusting words there Matt3o.  I have lost my cookie oddly enough, but I do know I did buy some stuff that I was extremely happy with hence no modifications required.

Thanks for running this buddy, all the way from beautiful Italia.  8)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 30' to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:46:27
Please remember to save the ORDER ID somewhere, being a textfile, email or in the cookies. You will need it to know the final cost of your set. If you lose it, write me a PM and I'll send it to you.

Final price will be shown in the next couple of days. When the price will be final you'll still have the chance to change or cancel your order for a short period. When invoicing starts all you can do is paying :P

We are trying to move fast to start production asap. The payment window won't be very long, if you are not sure about your purchase please cancel before invoicing starts.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 30' to order)
Post by: oluf on Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:54:00
I really like your style Matt3o... I look forward to more of your GBs! =)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 30' to order)
Post by: kmiller8 on Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:56:50
hmm.... Still have a few minutes to decide....
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 30' to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:59:59
hmm.... Still have a few minutes to decide....

place a minimal order before it's too late :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 30' to order)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 18 February 2013, 18:00:01
I really like your style Matt3o... I look forward to more of your GBs! =)

YES most definitely.  You have shown your skills to everyone here on Geekhack and we never forget Group Buys such as this.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (last 30' to order)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 18 February 2013, 18:04:59
thanks. that repays of all the efforts :)

on a side node...

Retro set officially doesn't accept any more new order!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Mon, 18 February 2013, 18:10:19
Damn! Two off for the next tier tkl.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Mon, 18 February 2013, 18:21:44
Is there any change of getting the C64 logos in plum without the whole plum set? Just wondering as I was debating the plum set but decided the extras all came in brown so to go for that instead but the little plum C64's are very nice.

Not a big deal if not at all but thought it was worth asking. Really nicely done btw.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Gupgup on Mon, 18 February 2013, 18:24:04
Could I get a PM of my current order? My ID isn't able to get fetched :/
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: regack on Mon, 18 February 2013, 18:43:07
Damn! Two off for the next tier tkl.

My guess is that Matt3o will go ahead and order 100 of those, and charge everyone $40.88...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 18 February 2013, 19:44:41
Damn! Two off for the next tier tkl.

My guess is that Matt3o will go ahead and order 100 of those, and charge everyone $40.88...

That would be where part of those spares for "oopsies" and so forth could come from. 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: feng on Mon, 18 February 2013, 20:32:33
Is it too late to submit the order? T_T
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 18 February 2013, 20:42:09
Yeah you missed it by about 4hrs.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 18 February 2013, 20:56:04
Is it too late to submit the order? T_T

I thought you had already placed an order.......?  What gives?

I have ordered about two or four of everything, I can give you a TKL set if you're interested?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: feng on Mon, 18 February 2013, 21:03:34
Is it too late to submit the order? T_T

I thought you had already placed an order.......?  What gives?

I have ordered about two or four of everything, I can give you a TKL set if you're interested?

Preparing the two exams for the next two days and missed the group buy. :\ I'll take anything that you're willing to part with. Thanks a lot Elrick! :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 February 2013, 21:08:55
PM Matt3o, I'm sure he could squeeze a bro into the list. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 18 February 2013, 21:46:31
Preparing the two exams for the next two days and missed the group buy. :\ I'll take anything that you're willing to part with. Thanks a lot Elrick! :)

No worries bud.  I owe you Big Time.  ;)

I hate when education interferes with Group Buys here on Geekhack.  Because you can not avoid the exams or even postpone them, hence why I won't let you miss out on owning a "Once in a Lifetime" DSA Retro Set like this.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 18 February 2013, 22:14:41
Should pretty much take orders  until close to when everyone has paid. A one week group buy is really kind of crazy compared to every other group  buy ever conducted here that I know of for full sets of keys....

Literally someone could have been on a one week vacation and completely missed out. I would like to know what warrants this haste.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 18 February 2013, 22:15:25
Flash GB. New and improved!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 18 February 2013, 22:41:48
Should pretty much take orders  until close to when everyone has paid. A one week group buy is really kind of crazy compared to every other group  buy ever conducted here that I know of for full sets of keys....

Literally someone could have been on a one week vacation and completely missed out. I would like to know what warrants this haste.
CC's are sold out within seconds on EK, atleast before the lottery system.  I love this system.  So organized and the keycaps will get here fast.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 18 February 2013, 22:44:11
Should pretty much take orders  until close to when everyone has paid. A one week group buy is really kind of crazy compared to every other group  buy ever conducted here that I know of for full sets of keys....

Literally someone could have been on a one week vacation and completely missed out. I would like to know what warrants this haste.
Fortunately this was a very popular GB that will almost certainly have extras. Also, I believe some of the vendors took a few sets, so I am sure people who missed out this time won't be left out entirely.

I have been very impressed with this GB. From the timescale, colours (and other aesthetics), price, organization, and other choices on behalf of the organizers: it's been great.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: aggiejy on Mon, 18 February 2013, 23:06:25
Should pretty much take orders  until close to when everyone has paid. A one week group buy is really kind of crazy compared to every other group  buy ever conducted here that I know of for full sets of keys....

Literally someone could have been on a one week vacation and completely missed out. I would like to know what warrants this haste.

Well, perhaps, but it's 10x better than one that drags on forever.  I wish they were all < 2 weeks. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: reaper on Mon, 18 February 2013, 23:18:41
1 week if I had my way. lol  The faster the better!  :)
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 18 February 2013, 23:30:47
The faster the better!  :)
TWSS!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 18 February 2013, 23:42:39
1 week if I had my way. lol  The faster the better!  :)

I wonder if there ever will be a ONE day Group Buy?  That would be the absolute fastest one on record for Geekhack.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Mon, 18 February 2013, 23:48:04
You missed the GB for NIQMOD candies...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 19 February 2013, 00:55:58
You missed the GB for NIQMOD candies...

That would be the Sprayed on Candy Painted ones?  If they actually used candy-coloured Polycarbonate then I would of bought a few sets.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 19 February 2013, 02:41:01
That would be where part of those spares for "oopsies" and so forth could come from.

yes, we will need some spares.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 19 February 2013, 02:43:40
1 week if I had my way. lol  The faster the better!  :)

I wonder if there ever will be a ONE day Group Buy?  That would be the absolute fastest one on record for Geekhack.

When I did my plate GB, most orders came in on the first week or the last week of the GB. If they were the same.......



lol :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 19 February 2013, 02:55:51
the speed of the GB also attracted many vendors I believe
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 19 February 2013, 03:23:10
Loving those final numbers, now I regret not ordering more.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 19 February 2013, 03:25:06
Loving those final numbers, now I regret not ordering more.

That's the essence of Geekhack.......if only you could get MORE.  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 19 February 2013, 03:26:19
Loving those final numbers, now I regret not ordering more.

you can still get more
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 19 February 2013, 06:51:16
Repost: DCS 7 units spacebars

We had confirmation that DCS 7 units and DSA 7 units spacebars have the same mounting points, hence all DCS 7-units will be converted to DSA 7-units. There's no reason to get the DCS one. If you ordered both spacebars because you didn't know which one to take, you can leave the DCS. Remember that you can still modify your order.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Hirsti on Tue, 19 February 2013, 09:00:13
wow can't believe i missed that one.. since when are gbs going through so fast? oO
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Dgsbllx on Tue, 19 February 2013, 09:01:39
wow can't believe i missed that one.. since when are gbs going through so fast? oO

Since Matt3o stepped up and started a revolution  :cool:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 19 February 2013, 09:04:52
Realistically GBs are as fast as the people interested and able to place an order.  Traditionally the major slow downs were caused by not understanding what was in a set, how to place an order, and many questions in regard to "when" for every little step.

Matt3o's order system has destroyed those boundaries and made it very easy to progress this GB to the point that it should be closed in order to not over burden the guy stuck packing and shipping these sets out. 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: kgleeson on Tue, 19 February 2013, 12:03:22
Can't believe I missed this as well.
Would love to order a set if this opens up again.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: i3oilermaker on Tue, 19 February 2013, 12:52:10
TechKeys will have extras
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 February 2013, 13:26:07
This is why people have to check the forum every hour, on the hour.  :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 19 February 2013, 13:36:13
Fortunately this was a very popular GB that will almost certainly have extras. Also, I believe some of the vendors took a few sets, so I am sure people who missed out this time won't be left out entirely.

the speed of the GB also attracted many vendors I believe

Right because the point of a group buy is so people who get left out have to pay more for it from a vendor  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 February 2013, 13:44:04
Right because the point of a group buy is so people who get left out have to pay more for it from a vendor  :rolleyes:

Well... no one was intentionally left out, they just missed the boat.

The Lesson: Watch Out for Boats. Groupbuy Boats, especially.

(Krog hugs his order, wistfully. "I love you DSA Retro Set order. So glad I found you. Your eyes say 'Yes' but the restraining order says, 'No.'")
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 19 February 2013, 13:45:50
Fortunately this was a very popular GB that will almost certainly have extras. Also, I believe some of the vendors took a few sets, so I am sure people who missed out this time won't be left out entirely.

the speed of the GB also attracted many vendors I believe

Right because the point of a group buy is so people who get left out have to pay more for it from a vendor  :rolleyes:

Better than missing the GB all together or buying from a forum member (making the safe assumption that a forum member would charge a markup as well)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 19 February 2013, 13:46:42
heh
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Tue, 19 February 2013, 13:46:57
To be fair to matt3o, there were several days of notice leading up to the group buy opening. It wasn't a sudden, "BETTER ORDER NOW!" kind of thing. At any rate, based on the success of this buy, I'd expect others very similar to it in the future.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 19 February 2013, 13:48:48
I wish I had missed Round 4...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 19 February 2013, 14:15:51
I wish I had missed Round 4...
I did miss it, want to swap situations? :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: rknize on Tue, 19 February 2013, 14:27:00
I wish I had missed Round 4...
I did miss it, want to swap situations? :p

You missed R4?  Lucky you...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 19 February 2013, 15:11:26
the GB has been extremely successful in a very short time. Please don't forget that there are people working for free on the GB organization. We would have liked to add more colors, more kits, more blanks, ... if this were my day job I would have added all colors and kept it open longer.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 19 February 2013, 15:22:52
You missed R4?  Lucky you...

 :))
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: MadScientist46 on Tue, 19 February 2013, 15:27:27
Hm, I kinda feel like back when Red Alert orders closed and I didnt have the funds to be a part....
This set looks really awesome, wish I had money to participate.

Hope there's gonna be a Round 2 of these one day, cause imo, these won't ever appear in the classifieds :D
And much respect for handling this GB, really like the straight forward way this was done.

The JealousScientist46^^
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 19 February 2013, 18:03:14
I wish I had missed Round 4...

Wanna buy mine? :D
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 19 February 2013, 18:49:34
I wish I had missed Round 4...

Wanna buy mine? :D

Lol....round 4 is turning into a giant pyramid scheme.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 19 February 2013, 18:50:54
I wish I had missed Round 4...

Wanna buy mine? :D

Lol....round 4 is turning into a giant pyramid scheme.

I'm getting away from SP sets. You might see a CC&G and a graphite set hit the FS section
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 19 February 2013, 18:55:00
I wish I had missed Round 4...

Wanna buy mine? :D

I mean I *WISHED* I had missed it... unfortunately I bought a 2 or 3 sets.  I don't even pretend to understand what all is going on with that.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 19 February 2013, 19:09:16
I don't even pretend to understand what all is going on with that.

Yeah I had to avoid that one simply because it became more confusing as time went on.  It was like you were thrown into a mirror room looking for a way out but all you see is your stupid self thumbling around trying to understand what was happening.

As soon as a Group Buy starts to get complicated and confusing, unfortunately it would be the time to bail.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: eth0s on Tue, 19 February 2013, 19:15:05
Lol....round 4 is turning into a giant pyramid scheme.

yep, +1 ^

How long has Round 4 been going on now?  18+ months?  And there is no end in sight.  And I seem to be the only one who is tired of waiting, besides maybe AKIMbO above. 

As for a pyramid scheme, I guess it is a bit, since non-existent orders are being sold and then re-sold to ever more hopeful nubs.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 19 February 2013, 21:30:31
Yep, and it makes you feel like a **** if you ask for the status.  But seriously, I'm surprised more people aren't showing concern over someone that has had maybe $100+ of your money for 18 months or whatever it's been. :)  But, getting off topic... thanks for doing it the way you did Matt3o!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 20 February 2013, 04:24:04
Dear US residents

Many of the American orders do not have the country in the address field!

If you don't add the country you pay international shipping!

I will not add it for you. The order form says "remember the country!", that's also true for US residents.

F*&%#K YEAH!

UPDATE

I've been able to update the country by checking the US State. You just need to double check your address, just in case.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Wed, 20 February 2013, 04:27:52
My bad! Fixed!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 20 February 2013, 04:34:16
I'll try to find other ways to detect the country... maybe from a list of US States, but it's more work for me and it's not 100% fail safe.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 20 February 2013, 04:35:04
Many of the American orders do not have the country in the address field!

If you don't add the country you pay international shipping!


Matt3o let them pay what we pay, the gross amount of shipping charges....plus the eternal waiting for all the items to be delivered as it clears customs  ;D .

Lets share the transit misery all round  :-* .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 20 February 2013, 06:23:54
Dear US residents

Many of the American orders do not have the country in the address field!

If you don't add the country you pay international shipping!

I will not add it for you. The order form says "remember the country!", that's also true for US residents.

F*&%#K YEAH!

Just to be clear, the address should look like:

Quote
Joe Blow
123 Any Street
Sunnyvale, CA 11111
U.S.A.

Is that correct? This is also great practice for future version of Matt3o's Groupbuy System -- fields that must be filled out, etc. Then we can move on to feature creep.  :))
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 20 February 2013, 06:35:13
I use "UNITED STATES" instead of "USA"
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 20 February 2013, 06:40:19
It doesn't matter how you write it (USA, U.S.A., United Stated, ...). They all match.

My bad. I should have placed an extra field just for the country. Next time I'll do better.

ANYWAY

I've updated all of them checking the US State. The form will be back online soon, you just need to double check your address and your order.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 20 February 2013, 06:43:38
I use "UNITED STATES" instead of "USA"

You will be paying $75 for shipping to Brazil, sorry. Add drop down menus to the next version of the Matt3o GroupBuy OS. Do you think you'll go with Linux, or a self-rolled proprietary system? LOL
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Gus.s on Wed, 20 February 2013, 11:56:30
2 days late. Very sad.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: modulor on Wed, 20 February 2013, 15:22:39
Yeah...bummer I missed out on this.  I see this GB was pretty successful, so I think it's safe to say "There's always Round 2" :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 20 February 2013, 18:17:10
I'm conjecturing wildly about what other colors would be good for a Round 2. Blue, obviously -- what about a salmon color? Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three? How long will it take for this keyset to be made up, just as a wild guess (not holding anyone to a deadline). Sorry if I sound impatient; I'm really not -- just excited about these keys! I think they're gonna be completely kickass.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 20 February 2013, 18:38:35
Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three?

We are trying to make this as fast as possible. If everything goes smooth 3-4 weeks for production + time for sorting kits + USPS time
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 20 February 2013, 18:39:23
Final cost published

Head to the order form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php) and use your order ID to review your order. Send me a PM if you can't find your Order ID.

You'll find the final cost of your order. That includes shipping, expenses, SP errors and broken keycaps.

Notes
- The price list page still shows the keycaps raw cost as sold by Signature Plastics. This is for the sake of transparency.
- The final price may still vary during the next couple of days until the orders will be completely frozen.
- Please let me know if you see some weird results!
- The price does not include taxes for US, CA residents. If you live in California you are subject to an additional 8.625% before shipping.

What next (READ!)
- Review your personal info!
- You have another couple of days to change your order. BUT please don't abuse it, the orders should be considered final.
- If you want to cancel your order, do it NOW! The button says "Delete your order" and not "cancel" for a reason. The order is deleted, removed forever, no records taken, no question asked. Better to cancel it now that to not pay the invoice later.

Note to international residents (not-US). Note that USPS costs for a medium box is $60 and a small box ($24) only fits 170 keys.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 February 2013, 19:06:33
Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three?

We are trying to make this as fast as possible. If everything goes smooth 3-4 weeks for production + time for sorting kits + USPS time

Considering Melissa has been telling me from day one for klaxon that production time is double what you've just said, I would give some leeway...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: aggiejy on Wed, 20 February 2013, 19:07:02
Any way to get a break down of the shipping/expenses/etc?

The "row costs" for mine were $69, now it's $85.  I'd be nice to see where that extra $ is going.  :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: karljs on Wed, 20 February 2013, 19:16:31
Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three?

We are trying to make this as fast as possible. If everything goes smooth 3-4 weeks for production + time for sorting kits + USPS time

Considering Melissa has been telling me from day one for klaxon that production time is double what you've just said, I would give some leeway...

And the Round 4 caps have been "in production" for months now.  SP doesn't seem to just queue orders as they come in, though.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: elton5354 on Wed, 20 February 2013, 19:19:37
I'm sure shipping to Canada is a lot less than $24.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: netdevil on Wed, 20 February 2013, 19:21:51
I have changed my address from a international address to a local address in the United States but the total cost does not reflect that change. Am I doing something wrong ? :confused:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 February 2013, 19:33:08
I'm sure shipping to Canada is a lot less than $24.

Not really.  Shipping alone is ~$20 since it seems like they're using flat rate priority (good call, imo) and then there are supplies and time to take into consideration.

Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three?

We are trying to make this as fast as possible. If everything goes smooth 3-4 weeks for production + time for sorting kits + USPS time

Considering Melissa has been telling me from day one for klaxon that production time is double what you've just said, I would give some leeway...

And the Round 4 caps have been "in production" for months now.  SP doesn't seem to just queue orders as they come in, though.

Considering that R4 had been taking in payments the entire time it's been "in production", I would bet true production times are started when they get their money, you know?

But either way, the point was more to shoot for the long time and getting more excitement when people get their caps in one month instead of 2.5-3...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 20 February 2013, 19:55:35
Final cost published

You'll find the final cost of your order. That includes shipping, expenses, SP errors and broken keycaps.

Note to international residents (not-US). Note that USPS costs for a medium box is $60 and a small box ($24) only fits 170 keys.

Brilliant, yes my final cost has ballooned but still very happy to pay it.  Just let us know when Paypal payments will be required, my bank account is full and I want some soothing retail therapy (just like a woman, but with key-caps only).

Very nice how you mentioned everything about including the final price with shipping so that we don't get any surprises down the line when we pay.

Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 20 February 2013, 20:09:29
Paypal has been cranky lately, so we are doing everything we can to follow the rules and keep them happy and out of our hair.  Part of that will be to ask large orderers to pay outside of PayPal. We are working on what exactly 'large' means and how payments will be made by those buyers.

At this moment, 'large' is defined as $350 or higher. That may change as we work the details out.

In any event, if you fall into this bucket you will be contacted directly and given further instructions.

FYI,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 20 February 2013, 20:14:30

At this moment, 'large' is defined as $350 or higher. That may change as we work the details out.

In any event, if you fall into this bucket you will be contacted directly and given further instructions.

FYI,

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Can you up the amount to $500 or higher as LARGE?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 20 February 2013, 20:40:01
Any way to get a break down of the shipping/expenses/etc?

The "row costs" for mine were $69, now it's $85.  I'd be nice to see where that extra $ is going.  :)
Yeah same here. Mine went from $170 to $202 and from what it says that is still subject to change? I would hope in a positive way...
 :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 20 February 2013, 20:47:21

Mine went from $170 to $202 and from what it says that is still subject to change? I would hope in a positive way...
 :p

Don't forget that includes shipping costs as well.  The costs on the actual keys are fixed it's just now Paypal doing it's best to gouge-the-hell out of us on this deal.

Dare I say it, they could possibly double the costs on this whole Group Buy and we are powerless to prevent it.  :o
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 20 February 2013, 20:55:12

Mine went from $170 to $202 and from what it says that is still subject to change? I would hope in a positive way...
 :p

Don't forget that includes shipping costs as well.  The costs on the actual keys are fixed it's just now Paypal doing it's best to gouge-the-hell out of us on this deal.

Dare I say it, they could possibly double the costs on this whole Group Buy and we are powerless to prevent it.  :o
This is very true. In the long run I don't mind the price right now, but if it gets any higher I might have to bow out. :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Wed, 20 February 2013, 20:58:00
woa, order cost jumped quite a bit wonder what triggered the huge jump, with consideration to shipping cost of course
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 20 February 2013, 20:59:28
This is very true. In the long run I don't mind the price right now, but if it gets any higher I might have to bow out. :(

Yeah but the ONLY way to pay for all of this is using Paypal services.  They are the "Tony Soprano" of payment systems on the web.  Hence what ever 'Tony' wants he gets.

Plus SP is use to dealing with Paypal in general, hence when there is the possibility of using another payment system I think Melissa would bale on us.

It's just the way it is when we buy Key-caps in Group Buys they are never cheap, and now you know why.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:01:41
WHAAA???
Mine went up by over 30 dollars  :eek: :eek: :eek:
And I'm not international!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:05:01
Weird, mine has only gone up ~$12.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mickd on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:14:54
WHAAA???
Mine went up by over 30 dollars  :eek: :eek: :eek:
And I'm not international!

Sounds like the system is picking yours up as international for some reason.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Sai on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:16:52
mine went up by 33 usd. but not that bad considering shipping fees, sorting fees, etc.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:36:07
I'll double check.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: oneproduct on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:37:43
Seems like $33ish is around the magic number in terms of shipping and extra costs. The only problem is I only bought $35 worth of keycaps (alpha + extra blanks, which covers an ergodox), so shipping is 100% of the product cost for me. :S

Is there any chance alternative shipping options can be arranged if that's the main component of the extra cost? As it is right now, it's a bit hard to swallow.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:39:59
mine went up by 33 usd. but not that bad considering shipping fees, sorting fees, etc.
But if you compare that to the Klaxon fees (which included a little extra for a good job), it's a little steep.
I also made sure mine was listed as USA!!! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: salmo on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:40:38
Mine "jumped", but I thought pretty reasonably.

It was originally just caps. Now it covers shipping, paypal fees, and my piece of the extra costs/work.  So when I look at what I ordered and the total, it seems like a fair price in comparison to other sets.  Plus, they're the best looking and most interesting set I've seen in a while.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 20 February 2013, 21:55:22
Just double checked, mine went up by exactly 40.98.  Seems a bit steep for domestic shipping...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 20 February 2013, 22:00:32
Yeah, mine went up by $32 for a domestic order as well. 15% jump seems a bit high.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: DamienG on Wed, 20 February 2013, 22:07:14
Just double checked, mine went up by exactly 40.98.  Seems a bit steep for domestic shipping...
Make sure the last line of your address is USA

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Sai on Wed, 20 February 2013, 22:24:01
mine went up by 33 usd. but not that bad considering shipping fees, sorting fees, etc.
But if you compare that to the Klaxon fees (which included a little extra for a good job), it's a little steep.
I also made sure mine was listed as USA!!! :rolleyes:
yea. its a little higher than Klaxon though.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 20 February 2013, 22:42:24
Shipping &cet. is +$15 for me.  Seems legit.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Wed, 20 February 2013, 22:43:21
Mine was around $15 as well.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Wed, 20 February 2013, 22:47:29
32USD for me, small international order.
Maybe I'll add more keys, simply to justify the shipping/additional cost.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Wed, 20 February 2013, 22:56:53
I was just wondering: I only ordered keys to fit my ErgoDox.
Is there somebody else from Germany who doesn't have ordered many keys?
That way we could combine our order (if we stay below the 170 keys) and save on shipping!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:00:35
$30 for int seems reasonable.

$30 for us, not so much. 

But remember that it was mentioned earlier that most of us USers forgot to put our country in the address field and that while he extrapolated what he could from the state, there would be overlooked people and if it didn't say USA, then there would be international shipping charged.  American Dollars to Italian doughnuts, that's where the jumps are coming from.

Seems like $33ish is around the magic number in terms of shipping and extra costs. The only problem is I only bought $35 worth of keycaps (alpha + extra blanks, which covers an ergodox), so shipping is 100% of the product cost for me. :S

Is there any chance alternative shipping options can be arranged if that's the main component of the extra cost? As it is right now, it's a bit hard to swallow.

Unfortunately, USPS still sees Canada as "far away land" and charges international pricing similar to if it was shipped overseas.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:04:00
Btw, the return key(s) in the tenkeyless set are what size? 2.0? 2.25?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:08:04
Well I just checked my order and it definitely has USA!!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:12:45
Mine too.  In fact it seems it was changed from "UNITED STATES" to "USA" for me, so that isn't the problem.  I'm starting to think that there is a flat 15% increase on all orders, with addition cost for international orders.  Honeymoon is over.  I'm still going to pay it, but I'm not going to feel good about it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:16:43
I remember in the order forum, if you didn't put USA, it was assumed that it was international so thus the $33 charge


Gotta read the fine print bro
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:17:56
I'm fairly sure there's something going on as I'm sure I'm not the only one paying a more than reasonable surcharge for shipping and handling that lives in the US.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:20:42
Gotta read the fine print bro
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:21:11
Well, it was said from the beginning that the prices were not final.
Also it was noted that they would order additional "backup" keys.
And I remember there being some talks about buying some molds?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:21:53
What are you talking about Beast?  Sarcasm?  I just said my order does say USA.  And, where in the OP or the order form does "USA" even appear?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:22:21
Gotta read the fine print bro

I'll read *your* fine print, bro?

I dunno, that seemed better in my head.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:28:31
About 1500 keycaps, + ~$110 to Vietnam... May I have an explaination?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Larken on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:29:05
mine jumped by about 70 over bucks. I lowered the number of blanks I purchased and it went down to a 34 bucks increase. International order. Seems like the number of keycaps does matter.

Original count, around 200 caps.
After lowering my order, 15x caps. I didn't want to decrease my order if I could help it, but more than a 40 dollars increase in shipping for 40 odd more blanks just didn't make sense. 34 is still acceptable to me, though a little higher than what I expected.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:49:10
I remember in the order forum, if you didn't put USA, it was assumed that it was international so thus the $33 charge


Gotta read the fine print bro
Read it bro. Got USA in the address bro. Still wondering where $20 extra is going bro.
 :D
edit: Must have got over the single shipping box limit... bro
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:50:24
I remember in the order forum, if you didn't put USA, it was assumed that it was international so thus the $33 charge


Gotta read the fine print bro
Read it bro. Got USA in the address bro. Still wondering where $20 extra is going bro.
 :D

Brobably to cure Bro's disease, brah.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 20 February 2013, 23:51:29
I remember in the order forum, if you didn't put USA, it was assumed that it was international so thus the $33 charge


Gotta read the fine print bro
Read it bro. Got USA in the address bro. Still wondering where $20 extra is going bro.
 :D
lulz

Brobably to cure Bro's disease, brah.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jabar on Thu, 21 February 2013, 00:16:33
should I keep any of the mod kits? I'm iffy about them because the mod coverage by TKL Plum is pretty good, and the mods are only in brown (and lime).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: fydo on Thu, 21 February 2013, 00:46:41
So with a bit of trial and error and a spreadsheet, I've discovered that the cut-off point between ~$30 shipping and ~$60 shipping to Canada is at exactly 158/159 keys respectively. This is assuming that all keys (including spacebars) count as one key, and that I haven't miscounted the number of keys in the kits I ordered. Feel free to correct me if I've made a mistake here.

Extended Alpha Kit - 58 keys
Plum Mod Kit - 53 keys
Numpad Kit - 26 keys
(This leaves me 21 keys left to get spacebars/blanks/others if I want to stay in the ~$30 shipping range)

I hope this helps someone else out.
Again I'd like to give a huge thanks to Matt3o for his excellent GB software that allows us to figure these things out without pestering him too much! :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 21 February 2013, 01:10:03
So with a bit of trial and error and a spreadsheet, I've discovered that the cut-off point between ~$30 shipping and ~$60 shipping to Canada is at exactly 158/159 keys respectively. This is assuming that all keys (including spacebars) count as one key, and that I haven't miscounted the number of keys in the kits I ordered. Feel free to correct me if I've made a mistake here.

Extended Alpha Kit - 58 keys
Plum Mod Kit - 53 keys
Numpad Kit - 26 keys
(This leaves me 21 keys left to get spacebars/blanks/others if I want to stay in the ~$30 shipping range)

I hope this helps someone else out.
Again I'd like to give a huge thanks to Matt3o for his excellent GB software that allows us to figure these things out without pestering him too much! :)
Bravo Sir!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 02:59:25
what better than a good dose of forum flame in the morning when you wake up? :)

The math may be off, but before complaining please consider and verify the following:
- shipping is included! We are using flat box rates that are pretty expensive but they are tracked.
- we are ordering 1% more keycaps to cover: 1) errors and broken caps, it may happen. Valentine GB got 9 errors over 100 kits sold and if that happens we want to give you a replacement fast, 2) USPS lost packages
- wrapping material
- a very small security buffer to cover contingencies (we don't want samwisekoi to lose money)
- 2.9% + 0.30 paypal fees. this is added at the very end
- cancelled orders. someone may not pay and a tier might go down. this is unfortunate but we have to cover that.

There's no profit for me nor samwisekoi. If we end up with more money than expected (close to impossible) we are going to reinvest in the community (custom keys, SP molds for everyone to use, donations to GH/DT, whatever).

The algorithm to calculate the final price is pretty complex and takes into consideration not only your order, but your order in a whole. This means that I'm redistributing small expenses through all orders. The % of redistributed amount is minimal, the bad part is shipping.

I'm perfecting the algorithm and final cost may lower. For example I just checked Canada shipping rates and they are slightly lower (20/41 instead of 24/60), so I'm going to rectify that.

Also I've been said that small box fits 170 keys only but others are saying that it can fit more. So we have to verify that.

Please be patient, don't flame, we are not making a profit on this, we want all to be happy :) point me to what you think is a wrong value, I'll check it out. Wait before cancelling your order until the prices are frozen.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 21 February 2013, 03:10:16
what better than a good dose of forum flame in the morning when you wake up? :)

Please be patient, don't flame, we are not making a profit on this, we want all to be happy :) point me to what you think is a wrong value, I'll check it out. Wait before cancelling your order until the prices are frozen.

Matt3o this is essentially Geekhack to a tee.  But like all other GB's this is only the beginning of the pricing structure, hence more refinement is required.

I fully expect to pay heaps for it, hence I'm not going anywhere because where else am I going to get these babies?  :))
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Thu, 21 February 2013, 03:31:42
Until when can we edit the order?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 03:34:36
Until when can we edit the order?

I'd say tomorrow night GMT (we also have to get the final quote from SP).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Thu, 21 February 2013, 03:39:47
+ $75,18

At first it sounded like much but considering it includes $60 for shipping I'm fine with that. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Thu, 21 February 2013, 04:18:03
iirc OTD made a DSA set with stepped caps lock with window in DSA profile, any reason why its in DCS?

Are you sure it was DSA and not SA? SP told me that they don't have tooling for off center keys in DSA.

Source: http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=137752
(http://www.otd.kr/gn/data/file/album/2041081346_72c16e35_k174.jpg)

Source: http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=24344&sca=%EC%A0%9C%ED%92%88%2F%EC%A0%95%EB%AC%BC&sfl=wr_subject&stx=356&page=8
(http://www.otd.kr/data/file/album/2085636419_f51bb5fd_IMG_4731.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 04:21:07
(http://picchiopc.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/homer_sbav.gif)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Thu, 21 February 2013, 04:22:44
So left stemmed stepped capslock will be in DSA and not DCS profile?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 04:35:05
So left stemmed stepped capslock will be in DSA and not DCS profile?

I need a release from the current tooling owner... crossing fingers.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Thu, 21 February 2013, 04:37:39
Alright keep us filled in! A DCS stepped caps would be very weird

I also remember it being on sale from SP themselves not too long ago they didnt have enough quantity for me to build an entire 87/84 keyset though
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 05:49:51
there would be an alternative... have everyone pay a fixed rate of $27.30 for shipping. I know this is controversial :P so I didn't implement that.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 21 February 2013, 06:18:04
My order bumped up a bit (maybe $20~) and I'm fine with it. Not a big deal.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 06:41:55
My order bumped up a bit (maybe $20~) and I'm fine with it. Not a big deal.

check it a couple of minutes :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 07:13:03
Final cost updated

I've set a small box to 200 keys (of various sizes) and updated shipping to Canada.

Please review, this is hopefully very close to the real thing.

We have a very very small margin of error. This mean that all of you have to pay or the system collapses :P

Consider that you'll have only 1 week to pay, if you think you can't make it, cancel your order now.

My suggestion, especially for international orders, is to take as many keys as possible until you see a big bump in the final cost. The bump is most likely due to shipping expenses.

Of course if you can merge orders with one or more friends it's easier for us and cheaper for you. But payment must come from just 1 paypal account.
PS: the system to calculate shipping is pretty complex if you want to merge two or more orders PM me and I'll help you out.

IMPORTANT
- mod175 and modextra won't be ordered and are not counted in your total because they didn't reach a decent tier
- to the blanks cost consider that we added 0.05 per key for sorting (SP expenses)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Thu, 21 February 2013, 07:36:23
Anybody from Germany with up to only 100 keys who wants to combine shipping?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 21 February 2013, 08:18:42
All good here matt3o! Forgot I almost doubled  my order and it wouldn't fit in one box. ;D
Sorry about bumming you out first thing in the morning. :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: sicaine on Thu, 21 February 2013, 08:30:38
Anybody from Germany with up to only 100 keys who wants to combine shipping?

I will get around 130 keys.

Would it be cheaper if you send all keys for germany to germany and we redistribute it here?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 08:37:33
Anybody from Germany with up to only 100 keys who wants to combine shipping?

I will get around 130 keys.

Would it be cheaper if you send all keys for germany to germany and we redistribute it here?

if shipping from DE to DE is say 10 and you have 4 people joining:

60 / 4 = 15 + 10 = 25
25 < 60

cheers :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 February 2013, 09:07:53
Anybody from Germany with up to only 100 keys who wants to combine shipping?

I will get around 130 keys.

Would it be cheaper if you send all keys for germany to germany and we redistribute it here?

if shipping from DE to DE is say 10 and you have 4 people joining:

60 / 4 = 15 + 10 = 25
25 < 60

cheers :P

I think that was a "yes".

Seriously, you have no idea -- and neither did we -- how complicated the shipping and cost calculation really is.  Over the past several days, Matt3o, me, more experienced GB-sponsors and not one but two tax professionals have been working on these calculations for something like six hours per day.  Then Matt3o puts it into code and the results pop out.

We don't have the DSA keys here yet (obviously) but we have lots of other keys.  And we have a few DSA keys.  So we weighed them to estimate that, I personally placed sample volumes of keysets into actual USPS flat-rate boxes, and did everything we could do to ensure that (a) everyone would actually get their keycaps and (b) the organizers wouldn't be left with a big financial hole.

Also, the order form and many of Matt3o's posts contained the message that the numbers were the raw numbers from SP before any of the other costs.  Since we know that PayPal adds fees, SP adds sorting fees and freight, packing supplies aren't free, some people will have to pay Sales Tax, and somehow the keycaps have to be sent around the planet, perhaps it was a mistake to use a lower-than-possible cost  in the pricing page.  This exposed all of the actual extras that make this non-profit event seem to be expensive.

Also, I've already stated that we have to work out special costing and payment for large orders, including, for example, vendor shipments to Vietnam.  We will do so, but in the meantime, the pricing calculation treats those as enormous personal orders.  They won't be.

This is apparently the downside of transparency.  Nobody on this end is trying to make money or lose money. We are trying to get spiffy keycaps custom-made and shipped to enthusiasts around the globe safely and quickly.

Sorry for the rant and good morning all!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: phinix on Thu, 21 February 2013, 09:16:05
oh man.. missed it..:(

When is next round???
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 09:30:44
If anyone wants to back out/sell some extras I need the following:

Kit 1: Extended Alpha
Kit 2: Brown TKL
Kit 4: Numpad
Kit 6: C64 Notalgia -- Will buy the whole set or just the RUN STOP key
Kit 7: 1.0 mods -- only need a few keys but will buy the whole set.
Kit 12: Extra Keys -- will buy the whole set or just the UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT keys
6 Units DSA Spacebar
6 Units DCS Spacebar

I need to be able to get all of them at one time due to the funky nature of the Deck Legend layout.  Maybe multiple people want to let go of some stuff?

where are you located?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: kaiserreich on Thu, 21 February 2013, 09:33:47
My keycaps orders breached the small flat rate box tier even just ordering 2 sets.

Please help to answer these questions so that I can work with my countrymen to do combined shipment
1. How many keycaps can we fit into the Medium flat rate box?
2. what is the shipping cost for Medium Flat rate box?
3. Can you please give me some extra time to modify the orders as consolidating the orders might take a while from my side?

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 21 February 2013, 09:34:02
dudes and dudettes: it turns out that stuff costs money. please don't flame your kindly local GB organizers. thanks buds!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 09:39:17
Seriously, you have no idea -- and neither did we -- how complicated the shipping and cost calculation really is.  Over the past several days, Matt3o, me, more experienced GB-sponsors and not one but two tax professionals have been working on these calculations for something like six hours per day.  Then Matt3o puts it into code and the results pop out.

We don't have the DSA keys here yet (obviously) but we have lots of other keys.  And we have a few DSA keys.  So we weighed them to estimate that, I personally placed sample volumes of keysets into actual USPS flat-rate boxes, and did everything we could do to ensure that (a) everyone would actually get their keycaps and (b) the organizers wouldn't be left with a big financial hole.

Also, the order form and many of Matt3o's posts contained the message that the numbers were the raw numbers from SP before any of the other costs.  Since we know that PayPal adds fees, SP adds sorting fees and freight, packing supplies aren't free, some people will have to pay Sales Tax, and somehow the keycaps have to be sent around the planet, perhaps it was a mistake to use a lower-than-possible cost  in the pricing page.  This exposed all of the actual extras that make this non-profit event seem to be expensive.

Also, I've already stated that we have to work out special costing and payment for large orders, including, for example, vendor shipments to Vietnam.  We will do so, but in the meantime, the pricing calculation treats those as enormous personal orders.  They won't be.

This is apparently the downside of transparency.  Nobody on this end is trying to make money or lose money. We are trying to get spiffy keycaps custom-made and shipped to enthusiasts around the globe safely and quickly.

Sorry for the rant and good morning all!

Amen!

dudes and dudettes: it turns out that stuff costs money. please don't flame your kindly local GB organizers. thanks buds!

Alleluja!

How many keycaps can we fit into the Medium flat rate box?
Can you please give me some time while I consolidate the shipping from my countrymen so that I can save a bit more on S&H?

200 keys is the approx limit. But also the total amount spent is part of the equation.

Orders will be final tomorrow I believe. Monday if SP takes time to confirm the final quote.

Illinois

can't help you then, sorry. ask some US fellow.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: kaiserreich on Thu, 21 February 2013, 09:45:15
@matt3o,

I am not very clear with the shipping options being offered here and I hope to obtain more information to make a better decision for this. So forgive me if I am sounding rude, but since you want to finalize the orders quickly, I hope to get a fast response from you as well.

Correct me if I am wrong, but from what you are saying, anything less than 200 keys will ship in a small flat rate box. I understand that there are huge vendor shipments that are considered exceptions. But what about anything above that for personal orders, what is the shipping option and cost, is it the same option if I order say... 5 sets or 10 sets ?

Also, can you please help to provide the time when no more change in orders are accepted.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 10:00:03
Correct me if I am wrong, but from what you are saying, anything less than 200 keys will ship in a small flat rate box. What about anything above that, what is the shipping option and cost, is it the same option if I order say... 5 sets (600 keys) ?

the max you pay is $60, but samwisekoi has to sort some special scenarios (vendor's and big orders to some exotic locations).

Also, can you please help to provide the time when no more change in orders are accepted.

I'm willing to close this Friday 23:59 GMT. But SP is closed tomorrow so it is unlikely that we are going to make this until Monday.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: reaper on Thu, 21 February 2013, 10:04:38
People in Calif will have to pay tax?  Well, that's the first.  The sales tax here is what?  9 percent?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 10:08:04
People in Calif will have to pay tax?  Well, that's the first.  The sales tax here is what?  9 percent?

8.625%

samwisekoi knows better
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: rknize on Thu, 21 February 2013, 10:31:11
Thanks to Matt and Sam for all of this effort!

I think the transparency is great but some may not be used to it.  Most of the organizers bake some of these costs into the price of the keys.  Matt showed you what the true cost of the keys are.  Now you know about all of the other expenses that GB organizers have to deal with.  We're all in this together and it is good for everyone to understand where their money goes and why.

Once this round is over, it will be easier for Matt's software to guesstimate a final price to a given location and give people a better idea of the various overhead costs.  Hopefully, this will avoid sticker shock in the future.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 10:37:00
Next time (if there will ever be a next time) I'll include all the expenses from the beginning. That's for sure.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: TDub on Thu, 21 February 2013, 10:39:51
If there is some combined shipment for Germany, I would definitely be in! Also is anyone in Germany willing to sell the 1.5 plum modifiers and either the green or plum enter from their Tenkeyless Plum set for my ErgoDox?
I originally wanted to add to Tenkeyless and either sell most of the keys or use them for my poker, but they add 20+ dollars in shipping and I probably don't need them.

Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 21 February 2013, 10:40:42
folks, if you don't like the price you've been given, you're free to drop out of the buy. no one is forcing you to participate in this.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: pasph on Thu, 21 February 2013, 10:45:30
Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.

It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer

folks, if you don't like the price you've been given, you're free to drop out of the buy. no one is forcing you to participate in this.

Thanks for the kindly words
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Binge on Thu, 21 February 2013, 11:08:17
folks, if you don't like the price you've been given, you're free to drop out of the buy. no one is forcing you to participate in this.

Thanks for the kindly words

Rabble Rousers are problematic to group buys.  Usually when folks are given less information and feel like they can't get any there are less complications from such people.  I believe mkawa is making a point to ground people back into reality.  The reality is that this is a group buy.  The organizers do their best to make sure the product is made, and it can only be made with group cooperation.  Feeling cheated/discriminated before making suggestions just shows how willing people are to criticize without first suggesting a solution.  If people have vital information that could help shipping why not suggest it?  If people from Germany want their packages marked a way that saves them 20% then why not suggest it?  If you don't like how it's being done because you feel a helpless victim then you can drop out, like mkawa suggested, or you can contribute/participate like a helpful group-buyer all-the-while remembering that you isn't the boss!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 21 February 2013, 11:12:57
Next time (if there will ever be a next time) I'll include all the expenses from the beginning. That's for sure.

You're doing a great job, Matt, don't sweat the crying.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 21 February 2013, 11:14:21
So if this closes to order modifications this Friday or Monday the 25th then when will the payment deadline be?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 February 2013, 11:26:23
Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.

It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer


For USPS Small Boxes under $400 USD sent to GERMANY or ITALY we must complete USPS form 2976.  It contains FROM and TO addresses plus:

Contents:    Merchandise
Description:    Plastic keycaps
Qty:    Actual quantity
Weight:    Actual weight
Value:    Cost before shipping
HS Tariff:    n/a
Country of Origin:    USA
AES Exemption:    NOEEI § 30.37(a) - less than $2500 USD, not destined for Cuba or North Korea.

You can check for yourself at http://postcalc.usps.com/.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 11:28:31
I'm waiting for a release to use the stepped 1.75 key. I believe this is very important and worth waiting a couple of days for it.

So.

Orders freeze:
This Sunday, February 24 at 23:59:59 GMT


There might be some very small price variations in the next few days (in the +/- $2 range, so I hope this won't be a problem). Please note the final price is taking some time because we are trying to make things right. I could have blindly added shipping based on keycaps number, instead I'm making an average between total cost spent and keycaps number.

Payment deadline is:
Friday, March 1 at 23:59:59 GMT

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Laladila on Thu, 21 February 2013, 12:07:41
Thanks for your answers Matt3eo  :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 21 February 2013, 12:19:49
Because that's the order CHANGE deadline, not the place an order deadline.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 21 February 2013, 13:08:42
So many deadlines makes everything so complicated. Would be easier next time to leave ordering open longer with just a payment deadline.

Also just a suggestion if most people get paid on a Friday either being February 22nd or March 1st then a payment deadline of March 2nd might make more sense.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 13:13:11
I got confirmation that under 400 keycaps we are going to use 2 small boxes.

200keys 1 small box
400keys 2 small boxes
400+keys 1 med box

I'll update pricing tomorrow
Title: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 February 2013, 13:31:45
Personally, I'd rather have mine shipped in a Medium FRB than two Small FRB. Price difference is negligible, and there is less chance for the post office to screw something up with one package rather than two. International orders might be another story.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: pasph on Thu, 21 February 2013, 13:41:27
folks, if you don't like the price you've been given, you're free to drop out of the buy. no one is forcing you to participate in this.

Thanks for the kindly words

Rabble Rousers are problematic to group buys.  Usually when folks are given less information and feel like they can't get any there are less complications from such people.  I believe mkawa is making a point to ground people back into reality.  The reality is that this is a group buy.  The organizers do their best to make sure the product is made, and it can only be made with group cooperation.  Feeling cheated/discriminated before making suggestions just shows how willing people are to criticize without first suggesting a solution.  If people have vital information that could help shipping why not suggest it?  If people from Germany want their packages marked a way that saves them 20% then why not suggest it?  If you don't like how it's being done because you feel a helpless victim then you can drop out, like mkawa suggested, or you can contribute/participate like a helpful group-buyer all-the-while remembering that you isn't the boss!

I've said nothing bad, just asking
mkawa sentence seems to me a little rude
Only the boss can ask?
The others just have to pay?
Is this your idea of a community?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: TDub on Thu, 21 February 2013, 13:49:20
Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.

It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer


For USPS Small Boxes under $400 USD sent to GERMANY or ITALY we must complete USPS form 2976.  It contains FROM and TO addresses plus:

Contents:    Merchandise
Description:    Plastic keycaps
Qty:    Actual quantity
Weight:    Actual weight
Value:    Cost before shipping
HS Tariff:    n/a
Country of Origin:    USA
AES Exemption:    NOEEI § 30.37(a) - less than $2500 USD, not destined for Cuba or North Korea.

You can check for yourself at http://postcalc.usps.com/.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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I wouldn't say we have the right to an answer, but i definitely appreciate it! I have a followup question though: The last bit about the AES Exemption, do you know what that means for us in terms of import taxes? Is it as good as it sounds and we are exempt (might be a little to optimistic)?

Also just because it can't be said enough: Thx for organizing the GB :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 21 February 2013, 13:51:04
That's an export exemption, not a tax exemption.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 February 2013, 14:06:58
That's an export exemption, not a tax exemption.

Yes.  All I know is that the choices were (a) not over $2500 and not going to Cuba/N. Korea or (b) an answer that probably meant not shipping.

I am pretty sure I cannot ship anything to Cuba or North Korea no matter what.

And you are very welcome.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 21 February 2013, 14:16:40
Thanks for the insight, sam.
The questions still remains: Will you put the actual value on the form?
Because if you do, we Germans definitely have to pay 19% VAT. All packages from outside-EU which values are bigger than 22€ will get the additional 19% VAT. And not just on the value before shipping, they take the total. So, my raw costs were like $80, now the total is $113. The Zoll (german customs) will ask me for 19% of the total $113.
I would like to avoid that. How? The declared value has to be lower than 25€ ($30).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 21 February 2013, 14:19:50
Personally, I'd rather have mine shipped in a Medium FRB than two Small FRB. Price difference is negligible, and there is less chance for the post office to screw something up with one package rather than two. International orders might be another story.

that is going to impact international shipping mainly. I wouldn't use 2 small boxes for domestic, but that decision is up to samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: phinix on Thu, 21 February 2013, 14:39:33
If someone doesn't want it anymore, let me know - please PM me!
I'm after ISO UK layout, TKL, so would need these kits:

- kit 1
- kit 3
- kit 5 (ISO)
- kit 12 (extras, with £ key etc)
- 6.25 space bar
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 February 2013, 14:44:32
I am happy to put things in the best packaging for the purpose.

Not so much a fan of international mail fraud, however.

We will endeavor to execute this group buy in the best, most cost-effective, legal way possible.

Seriously, this is the public Internet.  Everybody say hello to the fine people at Homeland Security and the NSA!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Thu, 21 February 2013, 15:03:23
Good stuff here thanks I am glad its going to be sent tracked as want to anticipate its arrival!

Thanks for all the well organised information, makes it easy to adjust your order if you need to.

If there are any plum C64 keys separately from the plum set (I ordered all brown) I'd be interested in a couple, if you are looking to get rid of spares afterwards etc.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: TDub on Thu, 21 February 2013, 15:04:23
I am happy to put things in the best packaging for the purpose.

Not so much a fan of international mail fraud, however.

We will endeavor to execute this group buy in the best, most cost-effective, legal way possible.

Seriously, this is the public Internet.  Everybody say hello to the fine people at Homeland Security and the NSA!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Thx again for the answers! I completely understand :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 21 February 2013, 15:35:58
Well, that's your call.

I think this will be my last SP GB. Can't afford to always pay the 19% as a student on loan :/
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: pasph on Thu, 21 February 2013, 16:08:39
From an initial price of $180 it will go to $300 to my doorsteps, the raw cost of caps is only 60% of the total amount
Now the Originative prices are really interesting
Order halved
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 16:48:39
Hm, what color should I get my treble case done in for this?

apple
polished aluminum
or something else...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: fydo on Thu, 21 February 2013, 16:50:34
Hm, what color should I get my treble case done in for this?

I have no idea what is possible, but I bet plum would look pretty sharp! (If you picked up the plum keys, that is) :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 16:53:59
Hm, what color should I get my treble case done in for this?

I have no idea what is possible, but I bet plum would look pretty sharp! (If you picked up the plum keys, that is) :)

I did.  But any new colors would incur an additional cost.  Also, I kinda want a retro looking color that isn't black/white.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 21 February 2013, 16:54:09
From an initial price of $180 it will go to $300 to my doorsteps, the raw cost of caps is only 60% of the total amount
Now the Originative prices are really interesting
Order halved
Mine went from raw cost $79.13 to $134.61 total at my doorstep. That's quite a take...
And yeah, Originative is cheaper, although retailer's markup...


Don't take this as a complaint. I'm just stating how it is for me.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mashby on Thu, 21 February 2013, 17:23:24
For a first GB, I think this process has been stellar. Sure there will be a few things that will be different next time, but I still think matt3o and samwisekoi have really knocked it out of the park. There will always be adjustments and changes based on forces outside the control of anyone running a GB, so bumps along the way should be expected.

My order went up a bit, but I'm not changing a thing.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Thu, 21 February 2013, 18:24:39
If there is some combined shipment for Germany, I would definitely be in! Also is anyone in Germany willing to sell the 1.5 plum modifiers and either the green or plum enter from their Tenkeyless Plum set for my ErgoDox?
Isn't the enter key too long?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 February 2013, 18:54:53
FYI to all:

I got a sample of 100 1x DSA keycaps from Melissa today.  I can absolutely fit 200 keycaps in a small box.  Probably 240x maximum (where a spacebar = 6.25x.)

So we will take a look at who can fit into small boxes now.  More orders will.

Also, everyone please note that we only have to fill out the export forms if you ask us to ship to an address outside of the USA.  (Similarly, California Sales Tax only applies to shipments made to addresses in California.)

I am happy to put keycaps together if that saves you money, or ship them in two small boxes instead of one medium.  Or if you want me to send your box to a friend in another state, then I won't need to put anything on the export paperwork because it won't exist.  The next leg would be up to you and your friend.

I am advised by an elder statesman here to say the following:

"Look, if i ship internationally, I will only ship via tracked mail and i will fill out the customs forms accurately, period."

But more will fit in a box!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 19:20:42
Last I knew, 3 full 104key sets had little trouble in a small flat rate box.  I can't find where I read that at, something rag posted, I think, but yeah.  *Should* be able to fit 300 easy.

EDIT:  Whoops, remembered wrong, it's 3 tkl kits, so 3x87 or 261ish
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 February 2013, 19:32:40
300 is like stuffing them in there, and things tend to get crushed that way by the postal services. I'd be comfortable with the limit being 240-250 in a Small FRB.

Matteo and Ron, those of us that mentioned a little sticker shock at the price jump weren't trying to criticize anything you are doing. It's just that, when the form said there would be other things baked into the final prices, and they would increase a bit, I personally thought it would be like $10, not $30 ($200 order). It's just surprising to see the price jump like that. I guess for the next round, maybe add 15% to the prices in the form, and they should be close enough at the end. Just a thought. I'm sure you guys are already planning something like this.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 February 2013, 20:32:39
Thanks for that!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: boost on Thu, 21 February 2013, 20:50:51
Didn't get a invoice :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 20:57:02
I don't think anyone has yet. Pricing is showing through your order number, though
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mickd on Thu, 21 February 2013, 21:08:20
If anyone from Australia wants to combine shipping with me, feel free to send me a PM. If you do though, be prepared to actually combine packages if I calculate that it is worth it! I'll let you know via PM.

Though it will probably only be worth it if we get over 4 or so people.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: oneproduct on Thu, 21 February 2013, 21:29:42
If anyone in Ontario or Quebec wants to combine shipping you can PM me! Other provinces would probably be fine too.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: kaiserreich on Thu, 21 February 2013, 21:55:34
FYI to all:

I got a sample of 100 1x DSA keycaps from Melissa today.  I can absolutely fit 200 keycaps in a small box.  Probably 240x maximum (where a spacebar = 6.25x.)

So we will take a look at who can fit into small boxes now.  More orders will.

Also, everyone please note that we only have to fill out the export forms if you ask us to ship to an address outside of the USA.  (Similarly, California Sales Tax only applies to shipments made to addresses in California.)

I am happy to put keycaps together if that saves you money, or ship them in two small boxes instead of one medium.  Or if you want me to send your box to a friend in another state, then I won't need to put anything on the export paperwork because it won't exist.  The next leg would be up to you and your friend.

I am advised by an elder statesman here to say the following:

"Look, if i ship internationally, I will only ship via tracked mail and i will fill out the customs forms accurately, period."

But more will fit in a box!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Hi Sam,

previously Matt was saying that small flat rate boxes are about $30 for shipping.
What is the cost for the next larger box?
I am planning to combine orders from my country and that is about 4 to 5 sets + addon keys
Just want to make sure that the algorithm quoted the price correctly and avoid a price shock when it comes to payment time.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:01:45
Medium FRB Int'l is about $60-ish. Medium should hold MANY keycaps.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 22 February 2013, 01:57:59
300 is like stuffing them in there, and things tend to get crushed that way by the postal services. I'd be comfortable with the limit being 240-250 in a Small FRB.

Matteo and Ron, those of us that mentioned a little sticker shock at the price jump weren't trying to criticize anything you are doing. It's just that, when the form said there would be other things baked into the final prices, and they would increase a bit, I personally thought it would be like $10, not $30 ($200 order). It's just surprising to see the price jump like that. I guess for the next round, maybe add 15% to the prices in the form, and they should be close enough at the end. Just a thought. I'm sure you guys are already planning something like this.

this is the price of being honest and transparent.

We showed you the real SP raw cost and that was an error because people don't have a clue about the real expenses.

As a general rule think of this:

Raw keycaps cost + 1% additional keycaps to cover SP errors and broken caps + wrapping material (it's not free) + % to cover people that will not pay + shipping + Paypal fees

There's no profit for us, so you cannot blame us if expenses are too high. We have little control on them.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 22 February 2013, 02:14:58
FYI to all:

I got a sample of 100 1x DSA keycaps from Melissa today.  I can absolutely fit 200 keycaps in a small box.  Probably 240x maximum (where a spacebar = 6.25x.)

...

"Look, if i ship internationally, I will only ship via tracked mail and i will fill out the customs forms accurately, period."
...

If you are using the same boxes as we had in Round 1 / 3 there should fit even more than 250 keys, because DSA are smaller. You can calculate the number of boxes needed by using the key sizes for example.

In both Round 1 and 3 we stated a value of $25 per box whoch worked out very well for most of us. Issues with lost packages where minor compared to other things like missing keys from SP.

Tracked shipping should be an option for those who want it (then also with proper declaration for insurance purposes).

But normal orders should go uninsured to lower costs and reduce the chance that packages get stuck in customs.

I've shipped a lot of stuff uninsured and most arrived. If not, I shipped a reserve and if no reserve the worst case is to refund the money for the missing stuff.

Good luck to get insurance money from the USPS, or whoever ships the insured stuff, if something gets lost.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: CeeSA on Fri, 22 February 2013, 02:22:11
Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.

It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer


For USPS Small Boxes under $400 USD sent to GERMANY or ITALY we must complete USPS form 2976.  It contains FROM and TO addresses plus:

Contents:    Merchandise
Description:    Plastic keycaps
Qty:    Actual quantity
Weight:    Actual weight
Value:    Cost before shipping
HS Tariff:    n/a
Country of Origin:    USA
AES Exemption:    NOEEI § 30.37(a) - less than $2500 USD, not destined for Cuba or North Korea.

You can check for yourself at http://postcalc.usps.com/.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Maybe we could find a global proxy for international buyers?
If you would like to 100% legal you are right. This is one side.

On the other side we are only some crazy nerds buying some low qly plastic pices that will shine in near future.
We are no resellers or something like that. Other people will trash this things in a second undoubtedly.

I realy think about deleting my order....

Could someone proxy the international orders?
If not, could someone proxy my order?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 22 February 2013, 02:29:40
FYI to all:

I got a sample of 100 1x DSA keycaps from Melissa today.  I can absolutely fit 200 keycaps in a small box.  Probably 240x maximum (where a spacebar = 6.25x.)

...

"Look, if i ship internationally, I will only ship via tracked mail and i will fill out the customs forms accurately, period."
...

If you are using the same boxes as we had in Round 1 / 3 there should fit even more than 250 keys, because DSA are smaller. You can calculate the number of boxes needed by using the key sizes for example.

In both Round 1 and 3 we stated a value of $25 per box whoch worked out very well for most of us. Issues with lost packages where minor compared to other things like missing keys from SP.

Tracked shipping should be an option for those who want it (then also with proper declaration for insurance purposes).

But normal orders should go uninsured to lower costs and reduce the chance that packages get stuck in customs.

I've shipped a lot of stuff uninsured and most arrived. If not, I shipped a reserve and if no reserve the worst case is to refund the money for the missing stuff.

Good luck to get insurance money from the USPS, or whoever ships the insured stuff, if something gets lost.

OMG!

The DSA retro kit brought 7bit back to geekhack!

It's a miracle! Hurry up! take more keycaps! they are sacred!

 ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 22 February 2013, 02:43:29
I've updated the final cost (for the better)

The changes are:

1) 250 keys limit for small box (many have added multiple spacebars and mods, 250 seems legit)
2) 2 small boxes instead 1 medium for international orders

This had a big impact on overall pricing!

Have a look at your order now. Mine went down $15!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 22 February 2013, 02:44:09

Orders freeze:
This Sunday, February 24 at 23:59:59 GMT



Payment deadline is:
Friday, March 1 at 23:59:59 GMT



Fantastic Matt3o that was what I was after.  Hence I suspect you'll request the payments via Paypal email?

Nice to see this baby coming to an end, and I'm ready to pay up in full.

Damn, also my TOTAL went down a little.......very nice.  8)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mickd on Fri, 22 February 2013, 02:59:50
New price is very reasonable for me!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:13:34
Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.

It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer


For USPS Small Boxes under $400 USD sent to GERMANY or ITALY we must complete USPS form 2976.  It contains FROM and TO addresses plus:

Contents:    Merchandise
Description:    Plastic keycaps
Qty:    Actual quantity
Weight:    Actual weight
Value:    Cost before shipping
HS Tariff:    n/a
Country of Origin:    USA
AES Exemption:    NOEEI § 30.37(a) - less than $2500 USD, not destined for Cuba or North Korea.

You can check for yourself at http://postcalc.usps.com/.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Maybe we could find a global proxy for international buyers?
If you would like to 100% legal you are right. This is one side.

On the other side we are only some crazy nerds buying some low qly plastic pices that will shine in near future.
We are no resellers or something like that. Other people will trash this things in a second undoubtedly.

I realy think about deleting my order....

Could someone proxy the international orders?
If not, could someone proxy my order?
I'm on the same boat, I understand the legality of declaring everything but I don't think I can handle the custom charges, a few people here knows my recent run in with Canada customs and their taxes/fees, it wasn't pretty
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Dgsbllx on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:23:17
My issue will definitely be customs also. Its $12 or so before any other charges just for handling  :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: pasph on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:25:45
300 is like stuffing them in there, and things tend to get crushed that way by the postal services. I'd be comfortable with the limit being 240-250 in a Small FRB.

Matteo and Ron, those of us that mentioned a little sticker shock at the price jump weren't trying to criticize anything you are doing. It's just that, when the form said there would be other things baked into the final prices, and they would increase a bit, I personally thought it would be like $10, not $30 ($200 order). It's just surprising to see the price jump like that. I guess for the next round, maybe add 15% to the prices in the form, and they should be close enough at the end. Just a thought. I'm sure you guys are already planning something like this.

this is the price of being honest and transparent.

We showed you the real SP raw cost and that was an error because people don't have a clue about the real expenses.

As a general rule think of this:

Raw keycaps cost + 1% additional keycaps to cover SP errors and broken caps + wrapping material (it's not free) + % to cover people that will not pay + shipping + Paypal fees

There's no profit for us, so you cannot blame us if expenses are too high. We have little control on them.


Raw keycaps cost + 1% additional keycaps to cover SP errors and broken caps + wrapping material (it's not free) + % to cover people that will not pay + Paypal fees

These are not a problem

shipping + VAT (21%)
are a problem
Have 40% of additional costs IS a problem
It's not a rant is a fact
Nobody can blame you
It's simply too much so, as per mkava's kind advice, drop items or order

Lesson learned, next time i'll ask beforehand about vat and if there's no undervalue don't join gb
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Caaaarrrt on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:32:10
I took out the 2 DSC universal spacebars I had in, just in case. My order went down by $23 haha I think I'll stick with just the DSA spacebars :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:34:41
shipping + VAT (21%)

shipping cost is pretty reasonable a this point (with the latest updates).

customs/VAT is out my control :) (but you can't ask samwisekoi on a public forum to commit fraud... )
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:43:35
Could I ask how much of my order constitutes shipping? (so when I merge it with tjcaustin's order I know what it should go down by)
Also, will merging mine with his increase his shipping? (I obviously don't want him to be out of pocket for doing me a favour)

If this is a pita then don't worry - I'll check with him again and if all is still well then will merging our orders still be ok?

Thanks again

George
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:51:52
If I get hit with customs I'm looking at an additional $120 +/-
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 22 February 2013, 04:01:13
darn boundaries.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Fri, 22 February 2013, 04:07:08
I might be charged total over $200 for the order if you do so, so it's not good price for the keysets anymore at last.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: pasph on Fri, 22 February 2013, 04:17:44
(but you can't ask samwisekoi on a public forum to commit fraud... )

In fact i haven't ask him that, instead i've reduced my order :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 22 February 2013, 04:20:37
(but you can't ask samwisekoi on a public forum to commit fraud... )

In fact i haven't ask him that, instead i've reduced my order :)

read between the lines  :cool:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: salmo on Fri, 22 February 2013, 08:23:38
this is the price of being honest and transparent.

We showed you the real SP raw cost and that was an error because people don't have a clue about the real expenses.

Yeah, I'm hoping these folks never see how sausage is made. :) 

Don't let the vocal ones get you down.  I think this has been a well run affair.  I'm really impressed with the ordering system and your general helpfulness.  I also think that everything's looked on the up and up, and that it's been interesting to see the process, costs, and most of all, the work involved.

Thanks so much guys.  Can't wait to have a gorgeous new set of caps.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 22 February 2013, 08:27:57
Thanks so much guys.  Can't wait to have a gorgeous new set of caps.

I'm really looking forward to seeing these caps made. Great job sam and matt on this groupbuy. Good luck, Matt, programming a future shipping algorithm to try and predict costs. It's just incredible to think that a government has to tack on so much extra money, it's criminal. Anyway, great job fellas.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Zifle on Fri, 22 February 2013, 09:54:17
This GB appears to have run extremely smooth, with the website set up for it and whatnot. It's been nice to be able to change my order at any time, and watch the sets/prices go down automatically.
The increased amount did surprise me a little, but I should have seen something similar coming.
For any future buys, I imagine a lot of the fuzz could have been avoided by giving a rough estimate of the additional costs.
The only thing I could want more, and perhaps might be an idea to implement, is even more transparency, by showing the numbers for these additional costs, PP %'s, and raw numbers for the order.

With that said though, it's been a pleasant ride thus far, I'm looking forward to receive these fantastic caps!
Thanks for running this.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:36:14
I know it's boring to read along 20 pages of thread... but the numbers are there.

1% additional keycaps to cover errors.

We have 418 alpha. This means that we will order 423 of them. The cost of 423 kit will be redistributed on the 418 buyers. Pretty linear.

To that add 2.90%+0.30 Paypal, shipping cost, wrapping material ($1 per order approx).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: rknize on Fri, 22 February 2013, 11:03:52
223 orders and a couple of people are complaining.  Most of the rest understand the situation and are happy.  Don't let a vocal minority speak for the majority.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: oluf on Fri, 22 February 2013, 11:41:53
223 orders and a couple of people are complaining.  Most of the rest understand the situation and are happy.  Don't let a vocal minority speak for the majority.

Agreed!! I can think of another GB recently where a very noisy minority steamrolled the majority... Very sad.

Matt3o, you're doing a fantastic job... Don't be discouraged! =D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Acanthophis on Fri, 22 February 2013, 11:46:19
As far as I see it, pretty noone complained about the GB itself.
Please stop trying to alienate those "complainers".




Oh, and btw, for those who don't know exactly, what those previous "complaints" (I would call them concerns) are about.


Abstract from the EU customs regulation for Germany for goods with a value between 22€-150€. Concerning explicitly which value they take into consideration to tax (German, I'll translate the important passages):
Quote
Warenwert

Maßgebend für die Feststellung, ob die Wertgrenze von 150 bzw. 22 Euro eingehalten wurde, ist der Warenwert einschließlich der ggf. enthaltenen ausländischen Umsatzsteuer wie in der Zollinhaltserklärung (CN 22/CN 23) ausgewiesen. Eine Prüfung, ob die Beförderungs- bzw. Portokosten in diesem Wert enthalten sind, erfolgt nicht. Falls wegen ungenauer oder fehlender Angaben in der Zollinhaltserklärung – wie in den meisten Fällen - eine mündliche Zollanmeldung abzugeben ist, sind zur Feststellung des Warenwertes geeignete Unterlagen (z.B. Handelsrechnung) vorzulegen. Der Rechnungsbetrag einschließlich ggf. enthaltener ausländischen Umsatzsteuer und ggf. enthaltener Beförderungs- bzw. Portokosten ist die Grundlage für die Ermittlung des Warenwertes. Hinzurechnungen oder Abzüge der ausländischen Umsatzsteuer, der Beförderungs- bzw. Portokosten finden nicht statt.
Rough translations of the bold passage [comments on my side]:
If, because of inaccurate or missing declaration on custom forms - as in most cases -, a verbal custom declaration [as in me going to the custom office] is needed, the determination of the good value are provided through adequate forms (for example invoices). The good will be determined by, if applicable, foreign taxation and transport or postage costs.

So in short, if sam puts in the value before shipping, and it's, let's say $90, and the Zoll (German customs) don't find a invoice which reflects this value in the package, they gonna get a hold of the package. Then, I have to provide some sort of invoice. Now here comes the problem: I paid like, I dunno, $130 (shipping, sorting fees, whatever costs you guys baked in). So that's the only evidence of my purchase, hence I have to pay 19% VAT not only on the actual good value, but also on shipping, sorting fees, and whatever costs.
And to be honest, and I hope you agree, this is something which leaves a bitter taste in some mouths.


I thought about letting my order been proxyed, but the cost will be almost the same, sadly...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 22 February 2013, 12:04:37
We just want the option of the same shipping method as we had in previous group buys.

:-)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: sicaine on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:11:49
107 Dollar : ). Hope the _Zoll_ let it through : ).

Thanks for this nice going gb. And after all this is a world wide unique set of only ~2xx sets. Thats not very expensive.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 22 February 2013, 17:34:53
Yeah, I don't understand about one clear thing.  If you are complaining about transit costs and taxes then why are you even in this Group Buy? ???

For those that look like having next to no money to spend on Key-caps then go elsewhere and stop complaining about your situation.  No one's interested here.  If you can't afford to own anything here on Geekhack stop trying to de-rail this Group Buy for everyone else.

It all comes down to the people who know what these caps are worth, participating in a Group Buy and knowing the full amount they have to pay for these items/services.  So far someone was right in saying that there is a TINY minority crying about how much they have to spend, solution, ..........go away.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

For the people who genuinely have MONEY in their accounts and are busting to find out how this Group Buy is going then Matt3o needs to cater for them.  The whiners with NO MONEY, you need to ignore urgently.

And during this particular Group Buy it's always been a couple of them that have been vocal about their bill and wanting a FREE-ride.  Don't ever let that happen Matt3o, because in real life you'll have parasites wanting a free meal, just spray them with repellant and move on.
Title: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: elton5354 on Fri, 22 February 2013, 17:43:43
I love to see this GB close before your pay cheque comes in. Seeing how you always ask to defer your payment because of that. :facepalm: And I see you backed out of a group buy at the paying stage from the other GB...if you don't have MONEY don't join it Elrick.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: pasph on Fri, 22 February 2013, 17:44:03
Yeah, I don't understand about one clear thing.  If you are complaining about transit costs and taxes then why are you even in this Group Buy? ???

For those that look like having next to no money to spend on Key-caps then go elsewhere and stop complaining about your situation.  No one's interested here.  If you can't afford to own anything here on Geekhack stop trying to de-rail this Group Buy for everyone else.

It all comes down to the people who know what these caps are worth, participating in a Group Buy and knowing the full amount they have to pay for these items/services.  So far someone was right in saying that there is a TINY minority crying about how much they have to spend, solution, ..........go away.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

For the people who genuinely have MONEY in their accounts and are busting to find out how this Group Buy is going then Matt3o needs to cater for them.  The whiners with NO MONEY, you need to ignore urgently.

And during this particular Group Buy it's always been a couple of them that have been vocal about their bill and wanting a FREE-ride.  Don't ever let that happen Matt3o.

Very nice people around here!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 22 February 2013, 17:49:16
I love to see this GB close before your pay cheque comes in. Seeing how you always ask to defer your payment because of that. :facepalm: And I see you backed out of a group buy at the paying stage from the other GB...if you don't have MONEY don't join it Elrick.

But I do PAY in the end.  I live here in Australia, and pay the highest in TRANSIT costs.  Plus I even lose some shipments.  Yet I am still here buying MORE.

Also pulling out of a Group Buy is the final reason to not having enough money that's what adults do,  you think I wanted to get a free-ride like you?

All I can say, DON'T crap on this GROUP BUY for your own selfish concerns because you're flat broke PAL.  I have never complained ever on this forum about anything the GROUP BUY organizers are trying to achieve, yet you see fit to complain and cry about it all being so unfair to you.......booohooo.  :'(

Time to MAN-up and act like an adult and not like a whining little child  (unless you're still in pre-primary, in which case you'll need your parents permission to even be involved in a Group Buy).   8)
Title: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: elton5354 on Fri, 22 February 2013, 17:59:55
Lol stop editing and adding more nonsense. You're being dumb.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Fri, 22 February 2013, 18:00:09
I was unaware that DSA key caps came with all the drama, too. I've got about 200 of them, maybe it's because those ones are PBT?

Either way, this group buy is awesome, and I'd hate to see the drama shake it up. I've got half a mind to leave some gratuity just for the fact that someone is finally doing a DSA doubleshot group buy. There's not nearly enough DSA buys!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: pasph on Fri, 22 February 2013, 18:01:04
I have to make a post with my Keyboard Collection sooner or later...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 22 February 2013, 18:06:15
if you'd like to discuss the ethics and morality of joining and leaving group buys, please do so in a new thread in off-topic. this thread is for discussion of this particular group buy, folks; let's please try to keep it civilized and on-topic for everyone's sanity. thanks buds.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 22 February 2013, 18:17:04
I have begun contacting buyers using the e-mail addresses you entered with your GH or DT user name as a back-up.  I have already found one large order where both were invalid.

Please make sure you've got one or the other correct in Matt3o's ordering system.  I am certainly not going to chase people who leave bad/fake addresses.

Thank you.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)

p.s.  If the person who ordered qty 5 of several items and provided a bad AOL address actually wants the order, please send me a PM.  Otherwise I will just move along.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Acanthophis on Fri, 22 February 2013, 18:29:34
Elrick, I wasn't talking about not being able to pay. You as a native English speaker should have mastered reading comprehension better than us non-natives in English.
I was talking about unneccessary costs for us EU guys which can be avoided (and has been done in every GB on GH I participated so far).
And payment and custom declaration talk is NOT derailing this thread, as a matter of fact, you did (with gibberish nonsense about not being able to pay).

@sam
So, do you already started invoicing? Will it come as an invoice or will you provide a PP account to which we send our money?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 22 February 2013, 19:31:44
We do not have final quotes from SP yet, so no I have not sent out any invoices yet.

It will probably come as a PayPal request for payment, but I am trying to see what I can do to avoid some of the pitfalls mentioned in this thread.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 22 February 2013, 19:33:49

I was talking about unneccessary costs for us EU guys which can be avoided (and has been done in every GB on GH I participated so far).
And payment and custom declaration talk is NOT derailing this thread, as a matter of fact, you did (with gibberish nonsense about not being able to pay).


Again, you don't like to read much of anything, but avoiding paying taxes is not something that anyone here on this Forum will comply because it's illegal.

No one here either Sam or Matt3o will place themselves into any illegalities because you want to avoid paying any justifiable taxes in your own country.

AGAIN read my posts and it says clearly that if you want to dodge paying anything which includes taxes, then go elsewhere.  No one will risk their freedom trying to help you avoid your legal obligations.

Pay up or shut up.  It's that simple.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 22 February 2013, 19:41:08
Let's drop this please.

EU folks are understandably frustrated with the cost increase for shipping and import taxes.  GB runners understand but their hands are tied.  End of story, yes?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 23 February 2013, 03:28:08
I don't want to look naive, people suck I know, but you wouldn't interact with people face to face like some of you are doing in this forum.

this passive-aggressive attitude, where you don't explicitly say "f@)!k you" but you actually imply it, is very disturbing. And the "but I didn't offend anyone" reply is even worse. In Italy we call it "to throw the stone and hide the hand", that might be the equivalent of "trolling".

Personally I'm flattered by samwisekoi's generosity. He is dedicating so much time in this thing with zero return for himself. I'm just grateful that he is willing to do what he is doing because without him we wouldn't even be talking about DSA keycaps.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 23 February 2013, 03:57:40
Personally I'm flattered by samwisekoi's generosity. He is dedicating so much time in this thing with zero return for himself. I'm just grateful that he is willing to do what he is doing because without him we wouldn't even be talking about DSA keycaps.

Yeah, every group buy has now resulted into this type of behaviour which is not something to be proud of.  But the good news is that you are just a few days away from ending this finally.

PLEASE know that the TINY minority who would love to de-rail this for everyone else will be ignored.  We are the ones still standing beside you and can't wait to hand over the moolah to see this Group Buy happen.

That is why a few of the old hands on here who have had the experience of running previous group buys have now stopped.  Because they faced that same type of behaviour from certain nasty individuals.  The unfortunate thing is that they are always here, you either kill the GB or you persist, that is why anyone wanting to run a Group Buy has my Greatest Respect.

Sometimes you need to develop a very hard skin and extremely toughened attitude to be here on Geekhack due to the less than sterling attitudes from reprobates trying to destroy everyone's good experience in a Group Buy.  Very sorry you had to go through that here, not all of us have that lack of moral character when it comes to showing any common decency to the Group Buy organizers.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: TDub on Sat, 23 February 2013, 04:52:30
How is anyone trying to derail this? By asking questions or complaining about the price? How does that derail anything? In the end the organizers set a price and you either pay it and get awesome caps or you don't. People have a right to ask questions about how these are shipped and how the cost is computed. In my opinion they aren't entitled to answers though (no one ever asks how a price on amazon is composed). It is super awesome though that the organizers are so open about everything and actually answer all these question.
Yes the complaining about price is annoying but complaining about the complainers is just as stupid. People get to express their opinion and concerns, that's what a forum is for, but in the end it probably won't change or "derail" anything so why get so upset about it?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Larken on Sat, 23 February 2013, 05:29:36
Can we drop this, please?

Bottomline is, if anyone decides not to get the caps in the end for any reason, the cancel order button is right there.

If you're fine with the explanations and would like some cool DSA caps, cheers! I personally found the breakdown reasonable enough and I'll be back for retro blue if it ever happens.

Voicing your discontent isn't going to make the prices lower when its already a non-profit GB. Stuff costs money to make, go figure.

I think the first wave of queries were more or less justified, but questions and concerns have already been aired, and have been addressed by the organizers. They've already explained the final costs, including miscellany and what not. 

Now we're just arguing about arguing. Think about how off-putting this is to the GB organizers - they work their asses off to make this happen, and they're sitting through this explaining the same things over and over to different people really patiently, watching the crap fly around as they try to be mature adults. If I was any one of them, I'd be reconsidering any thought of running further buys down the road. Not speaking for them, but I doubt anyone would disagree.

What we should be doing is THANKING the organizers for a job well done (matt3o, wonderful ordering system), and for sam, who has the unenviable job of handling payment and keycap shipments.
 



Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Batmann on Sat, 23 February 2013, 05:44:54
That's already been discussed somewhere but I can't seem to find the answer,
can we arrange combine shipping with klaxon if tj agrees?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 23 February 2013, 06:16:32
That's already been discussed somewhere but I can't seem to find the answer,
can we arrange combine shipping with klaxon if tj agrees?

sure, if he agrees. If you want to proceed that way send me a PM and I'll let you know your total without shipping
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 23 February 2013, 07:06:56
Add your Country!

Please remember to add your country to the address!

This is also true for American residents (and some French)

Use one of the following: USA, U.S.A., United States, United States of America (please don't add !!! at the end)
Uppercase or lowercase, it doesn't matter. Don't use US

If you don't add your country you will be billed international shipping! Orders will be human checked but would be nice to have a 99.9% reliable result.

Thanks
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: luckynet on Sat, 23 February 2013, 07:28:50
send me my invoice...NOW!!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Sat, 23 February 2013, 08:03:47
Checked and double checked email address...would you mind confirming once you think you have contacted everyone in case emails have ended up in the junk folder etc and been overlooked?

Thanks
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: phinix on Sat, 23 February 2013, 08:23:23
Matt3o: I know it is too late for orders, but was thinking, if there are any people that withdrew their ordwrs or dont want to pay or any bits that will be left after all orders sent out- would you be able to let us know here so maybe someone interested could pick up left overs?:-)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 23 February 2013, 08:38:29
Matt3o: I know it is too late for orders, but was thinking, if there are any people that withdrew their ordwrs or dont want to pay or any bits that will be left after all orders sent out- would you be able to let us know here so maybe someone interested could pick up left overs?:-)

If someone wants to drop, should post it here so someone else could take his/hers slot.

If someone won't pay the invoice (very very unfortunate situation) and you are interested I'll put you first in line to replace him/her.

Please note that this set will be available from many vendors soon.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: cyclonechuah on Sat, 23 February 2013, 08:38:55
i've remove my orders to merge with kaiserreich for shipping it into malaysia. btw, thanks for this awesome groupbuy.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: dreamingftw on Sat, 23 February 2013, 10:24:58
I accidentally cleared my cookies and didn't save the order number. Is there any way for you to PM me my order ID so I double check for country? Should be USA. Thanks.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 23 February 2013, 21:10:26
Couldn't help myself.  Readjusted my order for MORE of them.

I think I'm going to need the big FAT box for this order.........  ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Sat, 23 February 2013, 21:35:51
Lol, where are you putting all those?! :D
Are you planning to make a key cap wallpaper or something? :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 23 February 2013, 22:12:40
Lol, where are you putting all those?! :D
Are you planning to make a key cap wallpaper or something? :D

Yep, they're all going on the ceiling.  Just so I can appreciate how beautiful these key-caps truly are.  ;D    I'm going to make something like the Sistine Chapel in Rome.

Matt3o really out did himself with this design, even Michelangelo would be jealous.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jinhan108 on Sat, 23 February 2013, 23:17:14
Hi, am merging my order with Kaiserrich for shipping purposes. Thanks!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 24 February 2013, 03:01:31
Last day to review and modify your order!

Tomorrow we sill start invoicing!

Cancel your order now or forever hold your peace.

All incomplete or "weird" orders (you know who you are) will be removed!

Please understand that if you confirm your order now but you don't pay the invoice, all the community is paying for your keycaps... and actually we have such a small buffer that if more than a few is not going to pay, samwisekoi is paying from his very own wallet!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Sun, 24 February 2013, 05:14:20
Quote
Yep, they're all going on the ceiling.  Just so I can appreciate how beautiful these key-caps truly are.  ;D    I'm going to make something like the Sistine Chapel in Rome.
I knew it!! :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 24 February 2013, 06:44:45
Matt3o really out did himself with this design, even Michelangelo would be jealous.

ohmy, I missed this one.

don't say heresies :) Michelangelo's tomb is close to my house (reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Santa_Croce,_Florence))... don't want him to wake up and slap my face with a brush.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 24 February 2013, 08:18:59
Please understand that if you confirm your order now but you don't pay the invoice, all the community is paying for your keycaps... and actually we have such a small buffer that if more than a few is not going to pay, samwisekoi is paying from his very own wallet!
if necessary, geekhack and i will also chip in.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jcrouse on Sun, 24 February 2013, 09:50:09
Nobody should lose money on a group buy unless there was incompetence, lack of planning or some other problem. That certainly is NOT the issue here. I am with kawa if it would ever come to something needed done here.

John
Title: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Sun, 24 February 2013, 10:20:52
any update on the DSA left stem stepped capslock?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: CeeSA on Sun, 24 February 2013, 10:46:59
order clearly reduced, sry guys.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 24 February 2013, 10:53:53
Hey there excited people!

I see that the USPS wants fixed-price shipments out of the US to weigh under 4 pounds.  I didn't mention it before because that is something like 1800 keycaps.

I don't think it will matter to anyone buying for personal use -- unless you are trying to cover a ceiling or something!

Anyhow, if this affects anyone more than trivially, I'll let you know when shipping comes.

Just an FYI,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Sun, 24 February 2013, 11:11:14
any update on the DSA left stem stepped capslock?

matt3o on Deskthority:

Quote
it is available but we need the release to use it. I don't have it yet, I hope next week. Otherwise we will start production anyway and I'll have SP make the tooling ready for next round.

:)

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 24 February 2013, 11:30:16
Also, to those who have already expressed interest as well as anyone who will be in the San Francisco Bay Area when the keycaps roll in:

Showing up in Mt. View and helping sort and ship will get your shipping fees reimbursed.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 24 February 2013, 13:34:40
I will try to help out with the sorting if familial obligations allow.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: phinix on Sun, 24 February 2013, 14:48:13
Guys, anyone from UK ordered something here and willing to add few kits for me too? I would of course pay my bits, vat, customs, delivery... I can't believe I didn't think about that before... kinda last minute request;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 24 February 2013, 14:51:28
And since I've already got two people doing this and I'm sure it's bumped me to the infinity box (med flat rate), if anyone that's got an order with klaxon through me already wants to just have me ship them together, I've no problem with that.

Phinix, talk to GeorgeK, I've a large order going to him with klaxon and he's having me ship his dsa order with it, he may be alright with me including your stuff as well.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: phinix on Sun, 24 February 2013, 14:52:59
And since I've already got two people doing this and I'm sure it's bumped me to the infinity box (med flat rate), if anyone that's got an order with klaxon through me already wants to just have me ship them together, I've no problem with that.

Phinix, talk to GeorgeK, I've a large order going to him with klaxon and he's having me ship his dsa order with it, he may be alright with me including your stuff as well.

Will do now, cheers!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:02:24
Matteo and Ron, I would like to have my order shipped to TJ to ship with my Klaxon order, if that is possible. Thanks!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:05:50
Also, to those who have already expressed interest as well as anyone who will be in the San Francisco Bay Area when the keycaps roll in:

Showing up in Mt. View and helping sort and ship will get your shipping fees reimbursed.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)

when we get delivery dates, i'll work out my schedule and see if i can be up there too
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:49:12
Matteo and Ron, I would like to have my order shipped to TJ to ship with my Klaxon order, if that is possible. Thanks!

have him add your stuff to his order and cancel yours.
Title: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:51:09
any update on the DSA left stem stepped capslock?

matt3o on Deskthority:

Quote
it is available but we need the release to use it. I don't have it yet, I hope next week. Otherwise we will start production anyway and I'll have SP make the tooling ready for next round.

:)
Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: oneproduct on Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:08:50
People who want stepped caps lock keys so that they don't hit them by mistake really need to rebind their caps lock key to something more useful! :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:44:00
Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<

not what I said :)
I still have some hope
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:53:15
Just so it's here, too.  I see and have added phinix and jdcarpe orders to mine.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 24 February 2013, 17:47:13
the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: phinix on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:21:20
Just so it's here, too.  I see and have added phinix and jdcarpe orders to mine.

Sweet!:)
Thank you very much for help. I have sent you my payment to your Paypal account.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: gizzard on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:32:56
Can help sort in mountain view if timing allows.. post up the schedule once you get the caps
Title: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: tsangan on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:51:20
Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<

not what I said :)
I still have some hope
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off

Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Halverson on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:53:03
Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<

not what I said :)
I still have some hope
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off

Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<

Completely understandable!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:53:17
Look, he did it! Awesome. :D

the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:56:34
Epic set is epic.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:57:03
Epic GB is epic
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: wasabah on Mon, 25 February 2013, 00:38:50
Looks like invoicing is about to start soon.. can't wait!! :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (orders closed!)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 01:59:31
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off

Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<

just to be clear.

we have stepped key.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 02:22:28
All orders are considered final! Now to invoicing.

what happens now

- We will make a final count of all keys and send it to Signature Plastics
- Signature Plastics will return us with the invoice
- This might take 24h so invoicing might actually starts tomorrow (Tuesday)
- The final price might still change a few bucks for so many reasons, so don't start sending money to your proxy yet
- The final price is the one you'll see on the invoice not the one on the order form. Invoce total takes into consideration last minute variations and special agreements you might have with samwisekoi (eg: no paypal fees for people who pay by wire transfer)
- Don't PM regarding your invoice. We didn't send them yet. When we start invoicing we'll put a clear notice on the forum
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Bullveyr on Mon, 25 February 2013, 03:41:56
the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P
<-- happy
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:14:53
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off

Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<

just to be clear.

we have stepped key.
that is not DSA profile from my understanding, having a stepped key was never the issue it was it NOT being in DSA profile that was the issue

In the OP you say it doesn't come with it because SP doesn't have the tooling for it, so i show you a picture with it and you post a image as an response not sure what that meant, then i find out yesterday that there _might_ be a chance we get it but we won't know until after I pay

this really means a lot to i guess maybe only me lol
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:40:03
we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:40:41
that is not DSA profile from my understanding, having a stepped key was never the issue it was it NOT being in DSA profile that was the issue

In the OP you say it doesn't come with it because SP doesn't have the tooling for it, so i show you a picture with it and you post a image as an response not sure what that meant, then i find out yesterday that there _might_ be a chance we get it but we won't know until after I pay

this really means a lot to i guess maybe only me lol
You are not alone, I want it too for my MX Mini and future LZ-GH.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:48:33
the only DCS keys are the ISO returns and the 6.25 universal spacebars (which most of you don't need because we also have a standard 6.2 DSA spacebar)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:40:00
we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.
with _left_ stem on the 1.75x stepped caps lock correct?

Just clarifying since the OP still states
Quote
NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:41:17
I think tsangan is a lil OCD about his caps lock.  Yet I've never seen him use it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:43:28
He even doesn't have any keyboard.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:48:42
Ha!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 07:59:38
we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.
with _left_ stem on the 1.75x stepped caps lock correct?

Just clarifying since the OP still states
Quote
NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!

Stepped keys in the size of 1.75 (one-point-seventyfive) units are in DSA family. Stepped key has the mounting point in the center of the left raised step (left stem'ed).

Now ask me again about the stepped key and I remove it from the GB :P

Sorry if did not update the OP properly, anything I say after the OP overwrites the OP.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: phinix on Mon, 25 February 2013, 08:48:55
I wonder how that DCS ISO return will look like next to spherical caps.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 08:53:18
I wonder how that DCS ISO return will look like next to spherical caps.

very good question. Next time I'd like to have the tooling done for ISO Enter key too.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Sai on Mon, 25 February 2013, 09:56:38
got the test mail.  :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:40:12
got the test mail.  :p
Good.  We got some bounces, which means we can't invoice those people, and that means reduced order volume.

Who can guess what reduced order volume means?

<sigh>

Honest mistakes and complaining in the thread are well and good, but placing false orders?  What do the people who placed real orders with real addresses say we should do to/for the people who used fake addresses?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: rknize on Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:40:48
Ban  ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: rknize on Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:47:10
How many bounces did you get, roughly, and how many of those had valid forum usernames?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:59:17
I'm trying to contact people that we weren't able to reach by email.

But this is very unfortunate. it is going to delay the whole GB, anyway next time we will take more serious countermeasures :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:03:15
What? People have been making fake sign ups?
LAME!!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:04:59
Honest mistakes and complaining in the thread are well and good, but placing false orders?  What do the people who placed real orders with real addresses say we should do to/for the people who used fake addresses?
 - Ron | samwisekoi

Two things:

1. For Matt, make the next iteration of your software check email addresses in advance to prevent exactly this. I'm not complaining at all, just saying we should let all these little problems become instructive. so that future groupbuys are that much better.

2. If they are intentionally fake orders (not sure how to prove that) then ban them from future groupbuys. Intentionally trying to screw up a groupbuy is pretty low; pond scum sort of low. Suddenly discovering that you don't have enough money... that's flaky, and it happens, but it's not evil. If someone used 'YerGBIzGayzor@humptyhump.com' -- then yeah, try to find out who sent it in. Maybe the software can log IP's so we can track down who faked an order.

EDIT: Yes, I would support a ban. Maybe try to match up IPs from usernames to those who IPs used to fill out the form? Maybe tighter integration with the forum software would help?

What percentage of orders are experiencing a problem? 5%? 10% more?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:09:38
There is no way to prevent bad behavior.  We just have to keep calm and carry on.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: jabar on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:10:34
I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:13:10
There is no way to prevent bad behavior.  We just have to keep calm and carry on.

To the former, I think we have to at least try to discourage bad behavior -- we may not be able to stop it, but we could at least find a way to impose consequences for bad behavior. As for the latter, I agree -- we need to be British about the groupbuy.
Quote from: jabar
I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.

I hope you're right. Maybe it's just a case of mispellings, or fumbled typing (ironic).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: rknize on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:19:02
Since the site was on the open Internet and had no integration with GH or DT to at least validate user names, anything is possible.  If a community member did actively corrupt the GB results, they can expect to be publicly flogged at the very least.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:19:26
The reality is that there is nothing preventing 'Joe Random' from putting in a valid DT/GH username and a BS email.  There is no security or authentication on this form.  This would be a reasonable explanation as to the question of why to integrate this software with either GH or DT... would be intriguing to attempt both in the same code base.

edit: ninja'd by Russ!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:32:33
I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.

I believe I said mistakes were not the issue here.  Checking now... Yep.  I said exactly that.

In fact I made no accusations at all, disingenuous or otherwise.  I asked the members of the group buy what we should do if such a thing occurred. 

At the moment we know of one order that looks suspicious, and has both an invalid e-mail address and an invalid forum member name.  In that case the action I took was to (a) try and find a valid address and then (b) request the person who placed it to send me a PM if it was a serious order that happened to have invalid contact information.  Oh, it had an invalid ship-to as well.

I am not going to bother with accusations, disingenuous or otherwise.  If we can't contact the person who placed the order using the address they provided, we will try another way.  But if we can't invoice them, they can't pay, and that volume is lost form the group buy and we have to do something about that fact.

My intent was to give the members of the group buy information as it became available.

Please advise if you would prefer less information.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)

p.s.  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disingenuous
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:37:37
Please advise if you would prefer less information.

Yes, ignorance is blessing. Less information is advisable :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: boost on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:39:32
Please advise if you would prefer less information.

Yes, ignorance is blessing. Less information is advisable :P

This is true (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 13:02:03
Order sent... waiting for invoice.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: pasph on Mon, 25 February 2013, 13:55:43
Knowledge is freedom and ignorance is slavery
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 25 February 2013, 13:56:38
Knowledge is prison, ignorance is bliss
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Acetrak on Mon, 25 February 2013, 14:03:28
Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 25 February 2013, 14:03:50
A is B, B is C.

A is C.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 25 February 2013, 14:20:28
A is B, B is C.

A is C.
LOL

Thanks hashbaz you made my day
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Tranquilite on Mon, 25 February 2013, 14:32:28
I think that in the future, the first time you submit an order, it should send some kind of verification email which also includes the order ID, and a link to the group buy page so that you can verify email, and prevent lost order IDs at the same time.

Also don't forget that there are probably still a few late-comers who wanted in on the group buy who would be willing to at least partially cover fake orders.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 25 February 2013, 14:35:24
Yeah I'm sure we can get people to pick up dropped sets.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Mugen on Mon, 25 February 2013, 14:51:01
I am looking to pick up a set for a friend abroad if anybody doesnt want their set, mainly lookling for KIT 1, Kit 3 and a spacebar.
Cheers.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: pasph on Mon, 25 February 2013, 15:14:09
Knowledge is prison, ignorance is bliss

Yes in a few countries if you have the knowledge they put you in prison :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 25 February 2013, 15:19:00
Just open ordering for another week or two to make up for lost sets.

For a future system I do like the idea of sending a verification email, if you tied in a code that unless entered would erase your order that might additionally guard against these false orders. Two weeks to verify with one warning message after a week should work nicely. Unless you are doing another crazy one week group buy, then just adjust the timing accordingly.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 25 February 2013, 16:38:52
what's to stop me from creating a fake hotmail address?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: pasph on Mon, 25 February 2013, 16:42:31
what's to stop me from creating a fake hotmail address?

A pre-deposit of $5 to be able to make a pre-order?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Bullveyr on Mon, 25 February 2013, 16:45:10
what's to stop me from creating a fake hotmail address?
Hey, my hotmail address is legit :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Mon, 25 February 2013, 16:54:14
what's to stop me from creating a fake hotmail address?
Hey, my hotmail address is legit :p

So is mine!

And got test email safely ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 25 February 2013, 17:09:38
Got the email from you Matt3o.

Just anxiously waiting for the BILL .......  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 25 February 2013, 17:53:07
Ok, I now have the token from Matt3o to begin invoicing.  All orders and addresses are final and have been transmitted to me for invoice preparation.  Anything you see on a web page that isn't from me is an estimate.  If you find a way to do what appears to be changing your order, you are not changing it where it matters.

I may close this thread and start a new one re invoicing and fulfillment.  Please wait until I say something like "invoicing has begun" before you send me a PM asking for your invoice.

I will post status updates on GH and DT, but I am on GH far more often, so the latest news will always be on GH first.

That is it for now.

TL; DR Orders are locked.  Invoices will come out soon. Watch the forum for news.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Binge on Mon, 25 February 2013, 18:15:00
If this arrives before my sanctuary set I'm gonna cry.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 25 February 2013, 19:10:01

I may close this thread and start a new one re invoicing and fulfillment.  Please wait until I say something like "invoicing has begun" before you send me a PM asking for your invoice.

I will post status updates on GH and DT, but I am on GH far more often, so the latest news will always be on GH first.
 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Please do.

Getting all the money in, is the MOST important item now.  We have all made our selections and we desperately want to start handing over the Benjamins as soon as possible.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 25 February 2013, 19:49:21
I'm frustrated that my Gmail address-- obtained back when you had to get an invite-- is considered too suspicious for some services.  eBay, I'm looking at you...  They wanted me to supply a credit-card to verify my identity to shift the account from a long-disused address elsewhere to the Gmail; I left the old account open instead. :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 26 February 2013, 01:43:01
Yo! I didn't receive an email... Should I have got one for verification...
Just let me know if I should send it again.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 26 February 2013, 01:54:10
Yo! I didn't receive an email... Should I have got one for verification...
Just let me know if I should send it again.

it's probably in spam. don't worry we just wanted to test for critical return errors
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: luckynet on Tue, 26 February 2013, 02:13:02
i've gotten a test email, very tempted to reply... :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 26 February 2013, 15:36:42
Yo! I didn't receive an email... Should I have got one for verification...
Just let me know if I should send it again.

it's probably in spam. don't worry we just wanted to test for critical return errors
No test in spam either... Should I pm you my email just in case?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 26 February 2013, 15:41:37
Invoices will show up in your paypal account, whether you get the email or not.  If you're sure you entered it correctly, then you can just sit tight.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 26 February 2013, 15:59:52
Paid!  First to pay, first to ship, riiiiggggght?! ;-)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: regack on Tue, 26 February 2013, 16:03:20
Paid!  First to pay, first to ship, riiiiggggght?! ;-)

Wouldn't that be nice :D... btw, there's a whole thread for that over here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40679.0
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: boltless on Fri, 01 March 2013, 22:31:24
I missed this...  A regrettable mistake.
When is next round?
Title: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: i3oilermaker on Fri, 01 March 2013, 22:55:40
Leftovers will be on TechKeys
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 01 March 2013, 23:48:01
Leftovers will be on TechKeys

Nice one i3oilermaker.  I knew you would step in to save the ones that missed out placing an order.  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 02 March 2013, 01:26:53
F*%$#K YEAH!

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Like I said, nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Sat, 02 March 2013, 05:27:52
Whoop whoop!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: enighma on Mon, 04 March 2013, 06:15:45
Any idea of when the next round will be started?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 04 March 2013, 06:49:37
Any idea of when the next round will be started?

If you want some you can buy them at Techkeys after they come out.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 04 March 2013, 08:12:18
Any idea of when the next round will be started?

If you want some you can buy them at Techkeys after they come out.
And! next GB will be white on blue... Possibly.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: zenuty on Mon, 04 March 2013, 08:19:35
WOW

This times G.B was speed fast !!

I hope meet DAS Retro near day ~~
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: kain0079 on Mon, 04 March 2013, 20:21:53
paid.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 04 March 2013, 20:31:36
And! next GB will be white on blue... Possibly.

Really hope so.  Would love to get me some Blue and White DSA's.

I wonder if Matt3o would even bother to run another Group Buy again?  Usually the first one really destroy's your faith in fellow members on here, hence we will have to see.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 04 March 2013, 20:54:42
Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.

- Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 04 March 2013, 20:56:58
Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.

- Ron I samwisekoi
Good to hear  :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: wiredPANDA on Mon, 04 March 2013, 23:05:28
Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.

- Ron I samwisekoi
Good to hear  :p

My thoughts, exactly.  Waiting patiently for the DSA white on blue.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 05 March 2013, 01:16:06
Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.

- Ron I samwisekoi

you say so?



:P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 05 March 2013, 08:47:37
Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.

- Ron I samwisekoi

you say so?

:P

Retro Blue and Elvish, too!

 :cool:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: rknize on Wed, 06 March 2013, 14:50:16
FYI, the pool of unpaid sets is now up for grabs:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40950.0
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: codymaust on Wed, 06 March 2013, 15:23:08
FYI, the pool of unpaid sets is now up for grabs:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40950.0
Much appreciated, thanks man.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 06 March 2013, 17:47:28
Question for Matt -- what color ABS is being used for the Commodore kit?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 06 March 2013, 17:55:32
Question for Matt -- what color ABS is being used for the Commodore kit?

I'm noe Matt3o, but...GFW
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 06 March 2013, 18:08:45
I'm noe Matt3o, but...GFW

GFW.... Good F-----g Work? I'm not up on the acronyms that the kids use these days with their rap music and their big pants and EyePads and what not.
Was the 'W' intended to be a 'Q' as in Good F'n Question?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 06 March 2013, 18:12:18
GFW is the SP color code. :D

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#TBN,WCK,GFW,WCK
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 06 March 2013, 18:35:56
GFW is the SP color code. :D

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#TBN,WCK,GFW,WCK

Aha, I should know that as I have the color chips strewn all over my desk as we speak.

Also, jdcarpe, pull up your damn pants!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 06 March 2013, 18:50:48
??

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 07 March 2013, 00:37:08
It is really hard to see it since they're blue on the grey (nostalgia) background everyone should be using.
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=8778;type=avatar)
Jdcarpe's avatar^^
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 07 March 2013, 06:35:47
The vast majority uses the default theme.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 07 March 2013, 07:09:27
The vast majority uses the default theme.

Damn kids! Get off my lawn, with your default themes and Justin Biebers and MTV! FEH! (waves his cane menacingly)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:32:08
Who's Justice Beaver?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Tym on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:33:51
Who's Justice Beaver?

(http://azurebot.com/dmas/art/justicebeaver.jpg)
Duh.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:48:05
lulz
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:49:55
Siiiiiiigh

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: liferan on Sat, 16 March 2013, 06:34:38
thx OTD!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 17 March 2013, 04:19:22
If there end up being any extras I'd love a set of these.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 17 March 2013, 04:25:35
Should see some pop up from vendors when they ship.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: codyeatworld on Sun, 17 March 2013, 07:00:12
Dang I forgot to snatch a winkeyless set!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 March 2013, 07:52:15
Dang I forgot to snatch a winkeyless set!

did you get a TKL set?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: codyeatworld on Sun, 17 March 2013, 10:34:42
Yes I did from leftover/unpaid extra.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 17 March 2013, 10:38:59
Yes I did from leftover/unpaid extra.

Then, you got some winkeyless stuff
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 17 March 2013, 11:20:32
Yes I did from leftover/unpaid extra.

Then, you got some winkeyless stuff

Then, you got ALL winkeyless stuff
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: codyeatworld on Sun, 17 March 2013, 12:03:47
Sweeet. Even the space bar?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: GeorgeK on Sun, 17 March 2013, 12:36:34
No - you had to order a spacebar separately
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 17 March 2013, 12:49:50
No - you had to order a spacebar separately

Extras were ordered!

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: codyeatworld on Sun, 17 March 2013, 18:55:38
I'll need a 7x spacebar then, when is there gonna be a chance for them? or who should I pm?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 17 March 2013, 19:04:43
I'll need a 7x spacebar then, when is there gonna be a chance for them? or who should I pm?

Me.  Consider me PM'd.

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: codyeatworld on Mon, 18 March 2013, 01:19:43
Thanks Ron!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: luckynet on Tue, 19 March 2013, 03:59:18
quick question will these ship before the vendors start selling them or after like in the sanctuary group buy? just need some clarification :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 19 March 2013, 05:00:21
quick question will these ship before the vendors start selling them or after like in the sanctuary group buy? just need some clarification :)

they ship as soon as we get them, but please note that it might take some time to prepare your order.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: luckynet on Tue, 19 March 2013, 07:59:28
quick question will these ship before the vendors start selling them or after like in the sanctuary group buy? just need some clarification :)

they ship as soon as we get them, but please note that it might take some time to prepare your order.

yeah i know. not pressuring or anything just hope you don't stop communicating with the gb thats all :( i understand it takes a lot of time preparing and mailing the massive orders and it's completely reasonable that vendors can send them out quicker because they have the man power to do so.

anyways. can't wait!!! wuuhoooo!!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: mashby on Tue, 19 March 2013, 08:07:30
quick question will these ship before the vendors start selling them or after like in the sanctuary group buy? just need some clarification :)

they ship as soon as we get them, but please note that it might take some time to prepare your order.

yeah i know. not pressuring or anything just hope you don't stop communicating with the gb thats all :( i understand it takes a lot of time preparing and mailing the massive orders and it's completely reasonable that vendors can send them out quicker because they have the man power to do so.

anyways. can't wait!!! wuuhoooo!!!

Based on the traffic I've seen re: the Sanctuary GB, I can see why you'd be apprehensive about other GBs. However, based on my limited experience here on GeekHack, this GB is the exact opposite of the Sanctuary GB.  :cool:

This GB has been well organized, fast, with excellent communication on the process and status. They really raised the bar with this one and other GBs are already following suit.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 March 2013, 08:11:15
Any news on 'Matt3o's Groupbuy PHP Gateway' project? It should at least get it's own thread.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 19 March 2013, 09:34:59
Any news on 'Matt3o's Groupbuy PHP Gateway' project? It should at least get it's own thread.

indeed, I'm just cooling down for a few days :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 19 March 2013, 09:52:53
Actually I have a question about shipping for this group buy.

While I retain the right to work out the shipping process, I am interested if there is a consensus about shipment processing.  Would the members prefer:

(a) Orders to ship out over a period of time TBD, with the first packed being the first shipped, OR

(b) Orders packed over a period of time TBD, with all the orders shipped out at the same time.

Again, I am going to optimize the process on my end, but I would like to understand if there is a consensus among the members.

Thanks in advance!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Bullveyr on Tue, 19 March 2013, 10:01:25
I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Obviously I would prefer to get them rather sooner than later but I wouldn't have an issue if I get mine way after many others.
Option (b) would probably lead to less "drama" in this thread".

PS: I remembered something matt3o postetd over at DT:
Quote
AGAIN: early bird's orders are 100% legit. You just helped me debugging the software and of course... first to place the order, first to be served...

Just want to mention that I was the 5th or so that ordered.  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: funkymeeba on Tue, 19 March 2013, 10:06:40
Drama be damned. I'd say go with the option that's easier for you to manage.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 19 March 2013, 10:16:10
I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Obviously I would prefer to get them rather sooner than later but I wouldn't have an issue if I get mine way after many others.
Option (b) would probably lead to less "drama" in this thread".

PS: I remembered something matt3o postetd over at DT:
Quote
AGAIN: early bird's orders are 100% legit. You just helped me debugging the software and of course... first to place the order, first to be served...

Just want to mention that I was the 5th or so that ordered.  ;D

Fair enough.  First come, first served...

Retro-001   frankbartoli

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 March 2013, 10:17:13
I don't really care, whatever works best for you.

Ditto that. Pack and ship my order first, then do it however you like.
Seriously, whatever you think is most efficient for you is likely to be the fastest method anyway.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 19 March 2013, 10:19:52
I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Obviously I would prefer to get them rather sooner than later but I wouldn't have an issue if I get mine way after many others.
Option (b) would probably lead to less "drama" in this thread".

PS: I remembered something matt3o postetd over at DT:
Quote
AGAIN: early bird's orders are 100% legit. You just helped me debugging the software and of course... first to place the order, first to be served...

Just want to mention that I was the 5th or so that ordered.  ;D

Fair enough.  First come, first served...

Retro-001   frankbartoli

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


do you take payment or order date?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 March 2013, 10:22:57
I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Obviously I would prefer to get them rather sooner than later but I wouldn't have an issue if I get mine way after many others.
Option (b) would probably lead to less "drama" in this thread".

PS: I remembered something matt3o postetd over at DT:
Quote
AGAIN: early bird's orders are 100% legit. You just helped me debugging the software and of course... first to place the order, first to be served...

Just want to mention that I was the 5th or so that ordered.  ;D

Fair enough.  First come, first served...

Retro-001   frankbartoli

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


do you take payment or order date?

LOL! Payment date, payment date!

Matt3o, please make a Groubuy Gateway thread, so I can unleash an avalanche of unwanted advice. Thanks.  :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 19 March 2013, 10:23:44
do you take payment or order date?

Sequence in order data.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 19 March 2013, 18:28:45
Matt3o, please make a Groubuy Gateway thread, so I can unleash an avalanche of unwanted advice. Thanks.  :D

No such thing as an "Avalanche of Unwanted Advice" on here......  :p :p :p :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 19 March 2013, 18:59:16
LOL! Payment date, payment date!

Ok, that would be "astr0s" from DT.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: MadScientist46 on Wed, 20 March 2013, 08:14:31
I think you should do the distribution the way that is least complicated for you. Don't mind to wait a little longer than others, as long as they arrive before Round 4. So that would be in round about 2 years from now! :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: astr0s on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:04:55
LOL! Payment date, payment date!

Ok, that would be "astr0s" from DT.
I would be totally okay with this.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:38:55
Order date would be nice (I was real close to the top). But like most say, do what is easier for you.
Thanks again for making this happen so quick.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: tricheboars on Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:59:15
i know i am late on this and orders are closed. if anyone cancels their order, wants to back out, or doesn't pay i will scoop up their set.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 22 March 2013, 11:01:04
i know i am late on this and orders are closed. if anyone cancels their order, wants to back out, or doesn't pay i will scoop up their set.

Payments have also closed.  You're best shot is to try and buy a set from Techkeys.  I think they will be selling a few sets.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 03 April 2013, 20:25:03
Whats the word on this. I would say no news is good news, right?
Title: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 20:49:09
In production, last I heard. I would expect these to be finished soon, since the order went in right after Klaxon, and TJ just received those.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 03 April 2013, 22:27:53
In production, last I heard. I would expect these to be finished soon, since the order went in right after Klaxon, and TJ just received those.

Damn, it looks like SP has started to pull their proverbial finger out and make these key-sets quick smart.  But of course the finish and quality needs to be accessed.
Title: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 03 April 2013, 22:28:51
In production, last I heard. I would expect these to be finished soon, since the order went in right after Klaxon, and TJ just received those.

Damn, it looks like SP has started to pull their proverbial finger out and make these key-sets quick smart.  But of course the finish and quality needs to be accessed.

Makes me wonder how these are getting done so fast, yet R4 is still being made.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 03 April 2013, 22:38:34
R4 was an order of magnitude larger.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: Michael on Wed, 03 April 2013, 22:39:45
Is this still in 'invoicing' or is it actually being produced? :P


Might want to change the thread title to (production) ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (invoicing)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 03 April 2013, 22:43:58
I'm betting that this is going to be more hampered by r4 than I was with klaxon as I could see it being run through the same machines.

Also, r4 had a lot more tooling changes and whatnot because of the huge amounts of layout and profile options while klaxon was based on the "pick these colors and these amounts" website that's now been taken down.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 04 April 2013, 00:58:42
Keys are in production. SP told me an ETA that it would be too good to be true, so I'm not going to publicize that. Let's say end of April. Later this month I'm going to ask if we are still on track.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 04 April 2013, 01:19:21
I'd be happy just to get 'em before July  ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 04 April 2013, 02:36:57
I had forgotten what these looked like, so I went to check. Hnnnnng! Can't believe I am actually getting these things. Am excite.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 04 April 2013, 04:02:40
Keys are in production. SP told me an ETA that it would be too good to be true, so I'm not going to publicize that. Let's say end of April. Later this month I'm going to ask if we are still on track.

Here's to hoping.  She was laser perfect for my ETA.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: merijn on Thu, 04 April 2013, 05:07:57
I don't get the "it's better not to tell" attitude, there's nothing wrong with transparency. If SP gave you an ETA they strive to that data and there should be no reason not to "publicize" that.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 04 April 2013, 06:47:39
I don't get the "it's better not to tell" attitude, there's nothing wrong with transparency. If SP gave you an ETA they strive to that data and there should be no reason not to "publicize" that.

Underpromise, overdeliver.

Melissa says, "Middle of April" so GB organizer says, "Middle of May, maybe..." and then if it comes late, no problem. And if it comes on time, "Surprise!!! It's here early!" and everyone's a lot happier.

Managing people's expectations is important. It might seem a bit underhanded, but if it makes people feel better, then I say do it. And technically speaking, Matt hasn't said anything about when we can expect it, so it's just sort of fallen off my radar, which is fine by me. Why watch the kettle anyway? I wouldn't call this a 'transparency' issue at all.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 04 April 2013, 07:26:07
I'm not hiding anything. End of April is behind the corner. I'm going to give you a firm date as soon as I get it. The date SP gave me might have changed because of logistical reasons (ie: the bank took more time than expected to send the wire transfer) so I'm not going to disclose that.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 04 April 2013, 08:50:31
Oh that green, brown, and plum!
I can't wait.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 04 April 2013, 09:08:15
Oh that green, brown, and plum!
I can't wait.

Me neither. This is going to be a very unique-looking set.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 04 April 2013, 12:01:26
I don't get the "it's better not to tell" attitude, there's nothing wrong with transparency. If SP gave you an ETA they strive to that data and there should be no reason not to "publicize" that.

Underpromise, overdeliver.

Melissa says, "Middle of April" so GB organizer says, "Middle of May, maybe..." and then if it comes late, no problem. And if it comes on time, "Surprise!!! It's here early!" and everyone's a lot happier.

Managing people's expectations is important. It might seem a bit underhanded, but if it makes people feel better, then I say do it. And technically speaking, Matt hasn't said anything about when we can expect it, so it's just sort of fallen off my radar, which is fine by me. Why watch the kettle anyway? I wouldn't call this a 'transparency' issue at all.

In fact, anyone who wants to show up in Northern California when the keycaps get here is welcome.  Help with the sorting and get your shipping costs refunded.  Take pictures; tell a friend.

And you will probably get pizza and beer as well.  (Beer after checking, however!)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: rknize on Thu, 04 April 2013, 15:01:19
Makes me wonder how these are getting done so fast, yet R4 is still being made.

R4's DCS-based styles are supposedly done.  SA (SPH) is talking forever and is apparently done using different machinery than DCS/DSA.  So it seems that R4's slow pace is not an indicator of the progress of other GBs.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 04 April 2013, 15:03:24
Makes me wonder how these are getting done so fast, yet R4 is still being made.

R4's DCS-based styles are supposedly done.  SA (SPH) is talking forever and is apparently done using different machinery than DCS/DSA.  So it seems that R4's slow pace is not an indicator of the progress of other GBs.

It's a trap man! A TRAP!!!!

Yea makes sense. Gotta take time to make those gorgeous sphericals :D 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: codyeatworld on Thu, 04 April 2013, 19:35:39
In fact, anyone who wants to show up in Northern California when the keycaps get here is welcome.  Help with the sorting and get your shipping costs refunded.  Take pictures; tell a friend.

And you will probably get pizza and beer as well.  (Beer after checking, however!)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


I'm in San Jose!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: phinix on Fri, 05 April 2013, 03:47:15
..I promised myself not to come in here till end of April... I really take waiting for stuff very hard:)
OK, so end of April means mid of April if I'm correct?:D
Cool there is a light at the end of a tunnel then!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 05 April 2013, 06:10:31
Nothing to see here... nothing to see here, please disperse.
Groupbuy? No idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Pazuru on Mon, 08 April 2013, 15:59:06
I. want. keycaps.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 08 April 2013, 16:05:14
me. too.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:05:51
(haltingly) Sentence fragments.... Just phrases!

And now my DSA Retro Set haiku of the day: (written on my G80-2100 HDU)

April Retro Set
Mailman Walks Past
Lo, My Naked Keyboard

(bows)

Hopefully this haiku captured the quiet, patient dignity of waiting; how each person who participated in this GB is a silent, stalwart hero, beloved by millions and yet a dark mystery.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: kurplop on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:33:58
Man, that was beautiful, really touches the heart. But then, maybe we all just need to get out more.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 08 April 2013, 20:50:59
Man, that was beautiful, really touches the heart. But then, maybe we all just need to get out more.

Maybe he has and would prefer to live his life on here at Geekhack, the alternate Universe.  8)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:35:15
run, run, keycaps fairy!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 09 April 2013, 07:12:35
So what are people planning to put their caps on? I have a Topre and a Ducky which I was planning to put CCnG on. How about the GH60? Would any of the suggested plates/layouts suit?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 09 April 2013, 08:00:49
So what are people planning to put their caps on? I have a Topre and a Ducky which I was planning to put CCnG on. How about the GH60? Would any of the suggested plates/layouts suit?

It's funny you ask! I actually bought into this GB before I even had a keyboard with Cherry switches! Since then, my keyboard addiction has compelled me to purchase a Ducky 98something-something with MX Greens, a KBTalking keyboard with Blues (too light a switch, made for delicate, woman-y fingers) and a G80-2100 HDU. So I plan on using the DSA Retro on the Ducky, for certain. The KBTalking has been known to have substandard keycaps, so I was thinking of the Cream Cheese set on that. I was also hoping on experimenting with decking out just the numpad with the DSA, and leaving originals in place.

My only regret is that I missed out on the sphericals from DT. Here's hoping some of those sets go up for resale soon. Those sphericals would look great on 2100. Ah well, plenty to look forward to. Now I should just get back to writing. With so many keyboards I really have no excuse any longer.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 08:34:16
I plan on using one set for my ErgoDox.

Another set will go on a GH60.

And yet another on one of my custom designs, when it's ready.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 09 April 2013, 08:41:48
going to use it on a custom 65%. Actually I designed the whole GB to be able to do that custom keyboard :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 08:43:27
going to use it on a custom 65%. Actually I designed the whole GB to be able to do that custom keyboard :)

Well, then you need to design some new boards. So we can get more GB's from you... :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 09 April 2013, 08:46:22
a KBTalking keyboard with Blues (too light a switch, made for delicate, woman-y fingers)
lol That sounds like something Coach McGuirk would say.

jdcarpe, may I ask how you're going to set up your GH60 using these caps. I really wish I'd added some extra mods to my order now. If it's Top Secret, I understand.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 08:48:45
jdcarpe, may I ask how you're going to set up your GH60 using these caps. I really wish I'd added some extra mods to my order now. If it's Top Secret, I understand.

Most likely a standard winkeyless 1.5x mods layout. :)

But I bought enough options to do any layout, really. Maybe not ISO. :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 09 April 2013, 08:50:43
going to use it on a custom 65%. Actually I designed the whole GB to be able to do that custom keyboard :)

Well, then you need to design some new boards. So we can get more GB's from you... :P

well... actually... that is gonna happen :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 09 April 2013, 09:19:04
Are we going to see that 65% board?!?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 09 April 2013, 09:27:12
Are we going to see that 65% board?!?

(http://i.imgur.com/EfG6OrM.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 09 April 2013, 09:36:02
Need a GH75 right now for DSA.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 09:46:03
Need a GH75 right now for DSA.

If by right now, you mean next year, then you should be good. :P

Ron (samwisekoi) has the reins on that project...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: phinix on Tue, 09 April 2013, 10:19:39
Guys guys.... I just looked at my phone and noticed 11 notifications from this thread and thought that production is over!
wwwrrrrrrrrrrrr....... :'(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 09 April 2013, 10:23:16
Need a GH75 right now for DSA.

If by right now, you mean next year, then you should be good. :P

Ron (samwisekoi) has the reins on that project...
Why you tell me these things?  :))
I just I can live with a race for now...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: disperse on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:24:21
OK, after thinking about it for a while I've decided to go in on the GH60 group buy using this layout:

(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)

The "Super" keys will be the Commodore logo keys.

The "Hyper" key will be a combination Escape / Meta key as described in this article:  http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/

Unfortunately, I didn't order the 1.25 and 1.75 Modifier sets I need.

Will anyone have an extra 1.25 Delete key and/or a 1.75 Hyper key I could beg/buy/borrow/steal?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:28:03
OK, after thinking about it for a while I've decided to go in on the GH60 group buy using this layout:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)


The "Super" keys will be the Commodore logo keys.

The "Hyper" key will be a combination Escape / Meta key as described in this article:  http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/

Unfortunately, I didn't order the 1.25 and 1.75 Modifier sets I need.

Will anyone have an extra 1.25 Delete key and/or a 1.75 Hyper key I could beg/buy/borrow/steal?

I may have those. Ask me after they ship. I forget what all I'm getting. I ordered a few keycaps from this GB. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: wiredPANDA on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:34:14
Are we going to see that 65% board?!?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EfG6OrM.png)


That board looks good.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:38:38
Need a GH75 right now for DSA.

If by right now, you mean next year, then you should be good. :P

Ron (samwisekoi) has the reins on that project...

jdcarpe is a wise man and totally correct!

We also need another wise man to extend the GH60 PCB in two dimensions, and the resident wise men are busy with GH60.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: disperse on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:44:55
OK, after thinking about it for a while I've decided to go in on the GH60 group buy using this layout:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)


The "Super" keys will be the Commodore logo keys.

The "Hyper" key will be a combination Escape / Meta key as described in this article:  http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/

Unfortunately, I didn't order the 1.25 and 1.75 Modifier sets I need.

Will anyone have an extra 1.25 Delete key and/or a 1.75 Hyper key I could beg/buy/borrow/steal?

I may have those. Ask me after they ship. I forget what all I'm getting. I ordered a few keycaps from this GB. :)

That would be awesome.  I'll have some extra keys (arrow keys, Ins, Home, End, Page Up, Page Down) if you need them.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:58:26
Keys should be ready by April 18. By April 22 they should reach Ron who will start sorting.

Please note that this may still change.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: boost on Tue, 09 April 2013, 12:08:28
Keys should be ready by April 18. By April 22 they should reach Ron that will start sorting.

Please note that this may still change.

WOOT, Can't wait for this!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: disperse on Tue, 09 April 2013, 12:40:47
Nothing to see here... nothing to see here, please disperse.
Groupbuy? No idea what you're talking about.

Yeah, what?  Talking to me?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 09 April 2013, 12:44:29
i know i am an idiot and late to this but is it too late to get on this group buy?  these arent the retro sphericals i exactly want but i am coming to the realization that i am never going to get what i want and these are the closest i have seen to my vision outside of Round 4 which was before my time.

also if anyone backs out i would be more than happy to scoop up their set.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: codyeatworld on Tue, 09 April 2013, 12:46:27
Great news!! This will be the first GB caps I receive hopefully! And I was very late :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 09 April 2013, 12:48:32
i know i am an idiot and late to this but is it too late to get on this group buy?  these arent the retro sphericals i exactly want but i am coming to the realization that i am never going to get what i want and these are the closest i have seen to my vision outside of Round 4 which was before my time.

also if anyone backs out i would be more than happy to scoop up their set.

The standard kits (alpha+tkl+space) will be available by the end of the month I suppose. For the other kits you have to wait for the spares (we took some).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: habitualapse on Tue, 09 April 2013, 15:02:24
I missed out on the order as well, but would really love to grab a set. Please let us know if and when there are spares available. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 09 April 2013, 22:20:55
standard set is all i am looking for as this will be for a 60%
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: fl0w3n on Fri, 12 April 2013, 23:18:08
Damnit, I hope I can get extras from this :(

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 12 April 2013, 23:25:17
Is it just me or can we not see what we ordered anymore through the order form?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Sai on Sat, 13 April 2013, 00:01:13
Is it just me or can we not see what we ordered anymore through the order form?

yep. i want this as well. forgot about what I order completely.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: mikelanding on Sat, 13 April 2013, 00:03:29
Me too. At least we can cross check when receive the keycaps.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 13 April 2013, 02:22:23
we are working on it. sorry guys if this is taking a bit.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: esoomenona on Sat, 13 April 2013, 07:48:46
we are working on it. sorry guys if this is taking a bit.
No problem. Thanks for keeping us informed, Matt3o.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 13 April 2013, 08:03:02
the problem is that some orders have been taken manually by Ron (not through my system) and we have to merge the databases. I'd rather wait few days than publish incorrect data.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 13 April 2013, 09:44:10
Or it could be an evil plot to make you happy with whatever you end up getting!

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 13 April 2013, 09:52:09
or an evil plot to take over the world...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 13 April 2013, 10:02:24
Ok, evil plots aside, here is the plan...


Now - consolidating and reconciling data from Matt3o, late orders, PayPal, and misc. e-mails and PM requests.

Soon - send e-mail copy of order and shipping address to each group member.

May 1st or so - receive bulk shipment from SP.

May 4th - sorting and packing starts.

May 6th - packages start being mailed.

As soon as possible after that - DONE.


Of course, no plan survives intact once battle starts, so actual results will be what they actually are.

FYI,

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Glod on Sat, 13 April 2013, 11:02:15
If i get this by May 10th ill be a happy person, id even pay for expedited shipping given how much i ordered. Be cool to show this set off on my next business trip. haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 13 April 2013, 11:04:07
Add more time for sorting/shipping/packing.  Unless you have a group of worker trolls there with you.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 13 April 2013, 11:14:37
Add more time for sorting/shipping/packing.  Unless you have a group of worker trolls there with you.

Worker trolls be the plan, mate.

I mean a fun time for some good friends!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Michael on Sat, 13 April 2013, 11:24:47
Can't wait to get me these sexy thangs....
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 13 April 2013, 19:17:59
i know i am an idiot and late to this but is it too late to get on this group buy?  these arent the retro sphericals i exactly want but i am coming to the realization that i am never going to get what i want and these are the closest i have seen to my vision outside of Round 4 which was before my time.

also if anyone backs out i would be more than happy to scoop up their set.

I think what I will do when the main sorting is complete, is to take the leftover kits and create some standard boxed sets.  Then I can offer them for quick and easy purchase to late-comers with a one-click buying process like RainDrop used.  Actual contents will depend on what actual spares are left, but would be something like:

 - Alphas
 - Mods
 - Extras
 - Spare Spacebar

I think I would rather do that than have another round of multiple-choice.

Anyhow, that will happen after main sorting, packing and shipping.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 13 April 2013, 19:34:30
Worker trolls be the plan, mate.

I mean a fun time for some good friends!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


Worker Trolls are well known Party Fiends.  Make sure you've got lots of Whiskey and Coke.......  ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 14 April 2013, 10:05:23
Worker trolls be the plan, mate.

I mean a fun time for some good friends!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Worker Trolls are well known Party Fiends.  Make sure you've got lots of Whiskey and Coke.......  ;)

Hey, fly up, join the party, and you will be the first person to have Retro DSA keycaps down under!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Poker.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: fl0w3n on Sun, 14 April 2013, 12:44:10
I think what I will do when the main sorting is complete, is to take the leftover kits and create some standard boxed sets.  Then I can offer them for quick and easy purchase to late-comers with a one-click buying process like RainDrop used.  Actual contents will depend on what actual spares are left, but would be something like:

 - Alphas
 - Mods
 - Extras
 - Spare Spacebar

I think I would rather do that than have another round of multiple-choice.

Anyhow, that will happen after main sorting, packing and shipping.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


So there will be leftovers, or is only if there turns out to be some?

I'm in the same boat, I love Retro look and even have some of these profile keys SP sent me. 

I'd be interested in a Kit 1 + Kit 3, potentially + ISO kit and + Commodore kit. 


Also, just wondering, which Commodore keyboard did you guys throwback to?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 14 April 2013, 22:54:23
You have that many spares?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:10:05
You have that many spares?

I had to do some rounding to make tiers, and we did buy some extras beyond the number of paid orders.  Not many, but mostly I want to avoid selling a menu of items.

Also, the PM flood never really stopped.  I am still getting 'am I too late to buy a set?' messages.  And I don't want to be selling just a mod kit to people who missed the window for ordering whatever combo they wanted.

Anyhow, it is just a thought.  We'll see what is left after the fulfillment party is done.

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: n0rvig on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:10:42
Beautiful keys. I missed this, so I'll be on the look out for any spares that pop up.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:11:21
You have that many spares?

I had to do some rounding to make tiers, and we did buy some extras beyond the number of paid orders.  Not many, but mostly I want to avoid selling a menu of items.

Also, the PM flood never really stopped.  I am still getting 'am I too late to buy a set?' messages.  And I don't want to be selling just a mod kit to people who missed the window for ordering whatever combo they wanted.

Anyhow, it is just a thought.  We'll see what is left after the fulfillment party is done.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tricheboars on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:34:13
Well just keep us informed about who we must beg for a tkl set. My wallet is ready.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 15 April 2013, 00:19:10
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 15 April 2013, 00:32:00
Between this and the Realforce Hi-Pro, 2013 is clearly becoming the Year of the Spherical.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 15 April 2013, 00:36:00
Hey, fly up, join the party, and you will be the first person to have Retro DSA keycaps down under!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Poker.png)


Would love to, but me and customs have this love/hate relationship.  They love to catch me bringing stuff back into Oz hence I hate them for this  >:D .  I just wish there were no CUSTOMS anywhere in the world today.

Then I would travel at least every fortnight over to Europe, Asia and the Americas (especially Colombia, Bolivia and Brazil)  8) .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 15 April 2013, 00:43:55
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.

Let's see...

DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)

And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.
Title: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 15 April 2013, 00:45:18
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.

Let's see...

DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
WizbrOrange Crush Girlshark Dreams (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)

And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.

Ftfy!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 15 April 2013, 01:12:47
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.

Let's see...

DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)

And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.

You are forgetting DSA PBT :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 15 April 2013, 01:17:23
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.

Let's see...

DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)

And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.

You are forgetting DSA PBT :P

If you get SP to do a full set in DS-PBT, you shall be revered even more.  I was told point-blank from Melissa that they weren't ready to start offering that at this time.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 15 April 2013, 01:31:46
If you get SP to do a full set in DS-PBT, you shall be revered even more.  I was told point-blank from Melissa that they weren't ready to start offering that at this time.

Dye-sub'd of course. I didn't receive such a negative response from SP, but I have to make the design yet.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 15 April 2013, 02:49:07
Dye-sub'd of course. I didn't receive such a negative response from SP, but I have to make the design yet.

Oh Please do not let us stop you in developing any type of design.  If it's PBT put me down for some.  Besides, you have set the bench mark for a Brilliant Group Buy here on geekhack.

I am now down on my knees and praising you for the forth coming PBT set from SP  ^-^ , which I know will be truly special.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: fl0w3n on Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:28:22
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.

Let's see...

DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)

And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.

Coffee? Where?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Michael on Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:31:25
Can't wait. Needs mah keys...


(http://i.imgur.com/K7o7Db9.gif)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Sai on Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:32:02
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.

Let's see...

DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)

And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.

Coffee? Where?

from keypop.net
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: fl0w3n on Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:33:28
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct.  And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.

Let's see...

DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)

And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.

Coffee? Where?

from keypop.net


Edit: found it, nvm. Awesome.
Link? Is it over?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Sai on Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:39:25
here it is

http://www.keypop.net/product/pre-order-coffee-set
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:03:06
I have to insist that that is not coffee but chocolate :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Michael on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:05:23
I have to insist that that is not coffee but chocolate :p


Mocha! :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: fl0w3n on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:21:28
I have to insist that that is not coffee but chocolate :P

The Alpha looks coffee, but yes the mods I thought looked more chocolate as well.

Ivanx2's coffee set is the sex
Title: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:23:13
Poop. Had to say it. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:33:51
TBN is coffee, TGH is more cappuccino :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: phinix on Mon, 15 April 2013, 16:57:22
If those "coffee" were a bit darker, they would be perfect. But that photo clearly shows those are kinda milk chocolate color instead... :/
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: seferphier on Tue, 16 April 2013, 11:26:38
would be interested in some the surpluses. please send me a PM.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: phinix on Tue, 16 April 2013, 17:35:48
Guys, what do you think - what keyboard top color would look best with these caps?
White, grey, maybe beige?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 16 April 2013, 20:07:25
beige probably
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 16 April 2013, 20:25:30
Guys, what do you think - what keyboard top color would look best with these caps?
White, grey, maybe beige?

The silver in the render looks nifty.  I'm going to try mine in both of my poker cases to see (silver/white)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 April 2013, 01:10:09
Guys, what do you think - what keyboard top color would look best with these caps?
White, grey, maybe beige?

for a true retro look, beige would be the best. White creates a nice, modern contrast, but it should be also good with black. I'm going to take some pictures next week as soon as I get them.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Sai on Wed, 17 April 2013, 02:10:15
oh. next week.  ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 17 April 2013, 02:34:36
I'm going to take some pictures next week as soon as I get them.

Hot damn.  So we'll finally see this masterpiece up close.  Please take some close up shots of the Modifiers, Caps and Spacer keys  ;) .

I'm surprised at how quick SP is in making them these days.  Before you could scratch your arse they've already finished the whole lot  :)) .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 April 2013, 02:43:12
I'm going to take some pictures next week as soon as I get them.

Hot damn.  So we'll finally see this masterpiece up close.  Please take some close up shots of the Modifiers, Caps and Spacer keys  ;) .

I'm surprised at how quick SP is in making them these days.  Before you could scratch your arse they've already finished the whole lot  :)) .

it seems DSA family is easier to produce.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:09:54
Keys are ready and will be shipped to Ron tomorrow. I should receive a sample pack somewhen next week and post better pictures but in the meantime I give you something to fap on

(http://i.imgur.com/TktqAjs.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/MGcRYy5.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: codyeatworld on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:10:49
Awhh yeahh!! Those look amazing!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: aggiejy on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:13:52
woooohoooo!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Gupgup on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:14:59
Yes! Klaxon arrived this week and I get the news that these will be coming soon, couldn't be better :D


Gupgup
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: funkymeeba on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:15:47
Those are magnificent! I can't wait to be rocking them on the work keyboard. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Glod on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:18:53
so far it is exceeding my expectations, hell yeah, ergodox should be pretty hot with this and so will GH60 when the time comes.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:19:14
Here comes the plum

(http://i.imgur.com/g7fXNh8.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: Glod on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:20:58
oh my glod....
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:28:59
There will be a lot of keycaps coming in the next month or so now that R4 is shipped to 7bit
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Michael on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:37:38
(https://static.prtst.net/asset-proxy/e8020ebf29863456e6d9c644d26f750eca141246/687474703a2f2f332e62702e626c6f6773706f742e636f6d2f5f77596b664b45456d6745672f53354b4c696247314642492f414141414141414142596b2f31553631414230715770512f733634302f4925323063616d652e6a7067/http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wYkfKEEmgEg/S5KLibG1FBI/AAAAAAAABYk/1U61AB0qWpQ/s640/I%20came.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:39:48
Wow they are really pretty! Glad I got a plum set as well now.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:45:58
I'll probably give my ErgoDox another chance when these keys come in. Looking great so far, eagerly awaiting more pictures.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Loligagger on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:58:38
Very nice. Did the 1.25 caps lock and stepped caps lock become "shift lock"?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Caaaarrrt on Wed, 17 April 2013, 18:11:10
Looks awesome, so keen for these :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: 1391401 on Wed, 17 April 2013, 18:23:27
Man... i totally should've got these :\
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Jagriff on Wed, 17 April 2013, 18:27:15
Those look so pretty! I can't wait 'till they come in :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 17 April 2013, 19:02:27
Those look so pretty! I can't wait 'till they come in :)

I'm now wiping away my tears.  Tears of happiness  ;D .

I wish I had ordered more key-sets because these are the MOST beautiful looking bunch of keys I've seen so far.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 17 April 2013, 21:04:37
Any pictures of the DSA spacebars?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: salmo on Wed, 17 April 2013, 21:05:03
magnificent.   Now I will return to practicing patience.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: rknize on Wed, 17 April 2013, 21:11:37
They look awesome.

SHIF T
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: boost on Wed, 17 April 2013, 22:03:26
They look awesome.

SHIF T

Glad I got a few sets of these!!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 17 April 2013, 22:23:17
oh. my. god.
Incredible.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Wed, 17 April 2013, 22:28:40
They look awesome.

SHIF T

The ultimate in retro experience!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Michael on Wed, 17 April 2013, 23:52:37
impeccable kerning as always, SP. Bravo.......
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 18 April 2013, 00:55:43
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Sai on Thu, 18 April 2013, 01:04:24
oh yes baby.  :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 April 2013, 01:24:58
Very nice. Did the 1.25 caps lock and stepped caps lock become "shift lock"?

yes, all "caps lock" are "shift lock"

Any pictures of the DSA spacebars?

Sorry no pictures of the blank keys yet.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Thu, 18 April 2013, 03:00:30
40 email notifications.. It had to be it:D
Those are real beauties.. fantastic set I have to admit.
I'm so happy I got them ordered.
I see that this spherical shape is are pretty subtle. That additional row on first photo says "deep dish" - I thought they will be that deep;)
Looks amazing, great job with this GB!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production)
Post by: phinix on Thu, 18 April 2013, 06:10:41
Ok, evil plots aside, here is the plan...


Now - consolidating and reconciling data from Matt3o, late orders, PayPal, and misc. e-mails and PM requests.

Soon - send e-mail copy of order and shipping address to each group member.

May 1st or so - receive bulk shipment from SP.

May 4th - sorting and packing starts.

May 6th - packages start being mailed.

As soon as possible after that - DONE.


Of course, no plan survives intact once battle starts, so actual results will be what they actually are.

FYI,

 - Ron I samwisekoi

Hi Ron,

now when we know you will be getting them this week/weekend not the following, does it mean you would be able to sort and send them next week/weekend?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 April 2013, 06:34:02
Keys will reach Ron next week. Original plan does not change.

I might be able to put my hands over a sample pack earlier to take some photos.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 18 April 2013, 06:45:47
Keys will reach Ron next week. Original plan does not change.

I might be able to put my hands over a sample pack earlier to take some photos.

Yes, please put these on a keyboard ASAP and send photos! Even blurry, potato-ey, Bigfoot photos will be accepted.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Thu, 18 April 2013, 08:25:23
Looking gooooood
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 18 April 2013, 08:30:18
Oh wow, excellent stuff!

I want an entire set with deep dish keys now. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:07:19
Keys will reach Ron next week. Original plan does not change.

I might be able to put my hands over a sample pack earlier to take some photos.

Keys have not shipped to ANYONE, including in bulk to me.  Because of recent problems with poor communication and shipping follow-through on other group buys (not Klaxon) I am making plans, publishing them, and then following them.

So right now I am prepping the mailing list, ordering supplies, and getting set up.  Packing starts on Mar 4th; shipping starts on May 6th.

However, if you want to get your keycaps early, you are welcome to come help sort and pack on Saturday, May 4th in Mt. View California.  Send me a PM if interested.

Besides, anticipation is half the fun, right?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:07:29
Please stop asking for leftovers!

Let me repeat once again which is the left overs policy.

- We have ordered leftovers to cover broken keys, lost packages and errors made by Signature Plastics
- We will be shipping ALL the orders and wait that everybody received them
- When we are sure that all kits landed safely we will count leftovers
- At this point (at least 2 months from now) leftovers will be sold at reasonable price

We have no clue at this stage if we are going to have any left over. For this reason you can't preorder leftovers, we might end up not having any. We are really glad that you liked this set so much, but unfortunately at this stage we can't help you getting one.

What's sure is that the set had a huge success and you'll be able to buy ALPHA+TKL+SPACEBAR from some users who took more than one set. So don't despair, you just have to wait a couple of weeks.

Thanks!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:10:44
Keys have not shipped to ANYONE

this is untrue. keys have been shipped to me :P (SP confirmed today's bulk shipping to you)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:11:42
May the 4th be with you...always.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:14:49
Please stop asking for leftovers!

Let me repeat once again which is the left overs policy.

- We have ordered leftovers to cover broken keys, lost packages and errors made by Signature Plastics
- We will be shipping ALL the orders and wait that everybody received them
- When we are sure that all kits landed safely we will count leftovers
- At this point (at least 2 months from now) leftovers will be sold at reasonable price

We have no clue at this stage if we are going to have any left over. For this reason you can't preorder leftovers, we might end up not having any. We are really glad that you liked this set so much, but unfortunately at this stage we can't help you getting one.

What's sure is that the set had a huge success and you'll be able to buy ALPHA+TKL+SPACEBAR from some users who took more than one set. So don't despair, you just have to wait a couple of weeks.

Thanks!

Also, what he said!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:19:37
Keys have not shipped to ANYONE

this is untrue. keys have been shipped to me :P (SP confirmed today's bulk shipping to you)

Ok, before everyone gets all excited, Matt3o -- designer of this GB -- had HIS PERSONAL SET shipped to him.  Not the sets for all of Europe.

In Washington and California, it is 07:15, and nothing has been shipped to me.

(Besides, it will be a race of turtles to see if UPS can deliver my bulk order slower than Italian Customs can process Matt3o's single set.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:24:57
(Besides, it will be a race of turtles to see if UPS can deliver my bulk order slower than Italian Customs can process Matt3o's single set.)

no turtles! DHL FTW! Crossing all my fingers and some tentacles I should get it this Monday.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:26:39
Besides, anticipation is half the fun, right?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


Right, so waiting is the new form of torture here on Geekhack now  ;) ?

Sammy, ......... you are the best at what you do.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: boost on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:33:55
PM sent for leftovers...







j/k. You going to live stream the sorting party? :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:38:16
You going to live stream the sorting party? :P

Seriously?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:41:13
PM sent for leftovers...

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdjtbmkjx61rp7g3w.gif)

j/k. You going to live stream the sorting party? :P

I wish I could join the party...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: i3oilermaker on Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:45:23
I have leftovers :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 18 April 2013, 10:00:25
Techkeys is going to get tore-up as soon as those get posted  :))
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: boost on Thu, 18 April 2013, 10:20:58
You going to live stream the sorting party? :P

Seriously?

No
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: sicaine on Thu, 18 April 2013, 10:27:43
You going to live stream the sorting party? :P

Seriously?

Do you mind taking pictures while receiving the 'package'? And so on? :>
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 18 April 2013, 10:29:07
I have leftovers :P

Send all requests for leftovers to i3oilermaker (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=16742) .

Thanks!

 - samwisekoi & Matt3o
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 18 April 2013, 10:31:28
Do you mind taking pictures while receiving the 'package'? And so on? :>

Boxes and unboxing?  First package ready for mailing, stuff like that?

Not so much, no.  I will drop a set on a keyboard and post THAT, unless Matt3o and Italian Customs beats me to it.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: i3oilermaker on Thu, 18 April 2013, 10:34:34
I have leftovers :P

Send all requests for leftovers to i3oilermaker (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=16742) .

Thanks!

 - samwisekoi & Matt3o

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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 18 April 2013, 11:28:07
I have leftovers :P

Send all requests for leftovers to i3oilermaker (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=16742) .

Thanks!

 - samwisekoi & Matt3o

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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 April 2013, 11:32:23
I would prefer if vendors could kindly avoid making (or advertising) business on the official DSA retro post. Thanks
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: i3oilermaker on Thu, 18 April 2013, 13:00:09
Sorry - My intention was not to advertise but rather answer the questions of all the posters asking where they could get leftovers.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: daerid on Thu, 18 April 2013, 15:31:36
Question: Are these the same profile as the DSA keys that you can order with round 2 of the ErgoDox?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: rknize on Thu, 18 April 2013, 15:33:10
Yes, they are the same.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 19 April 2013, 00:00:16
Kerning is part of the retro experience.

Remember that a lot of the gear we lust after was designed in a pre-PageMaker world.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 April 2013, 01:24:49
My sample pack arrived in Italy today at 5:51am!!! I should receive it today or Monday! Run DHL run!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Michael on Fri, 19 April 2013, 01:32:06
Maestoso!!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: DamienG on Fri, 19 April 2013, 02:18:47
Kerning is part of the retro experience.
"FT" should not need kerning.

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Fri, 19 April 2013, 06:06:33
I love the colors we got on that set, but was wondering - retro name is used only for those coffee keycaps, right?
Cause that plum color isn't anything near Commodore keys, or am I wrong?
How did we come up with this plum color?:)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 April 2013, 06:21:34
Original set was all brown (with the grey F-row), but very few are strong enough to embrace the True Way of Retro and so plum has been added for the faint hearted.

Green Return is to break the Red Escape trend.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Fri, 19 April 2013, 06:42:48
Original set was all brown (with the grey F-row), but very few are strong enough to embrace the True Way of Retro and so plum has been added for the faint hearted.

Green Return is to break the Red Escape trend.

Haha, cool:)

Coffee and plum look awesome together.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 19 April 2013, 06:52:31
Kerning is part of the retro experience.

Remember that a lot of the gear we lust after was designed in a pre-PageMaker world.

LOL, that's actually a very good point!
*sigh* "Do you even monospace typeset?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monospaced_font

I'm assuming that's the source of the SHIF T phenomena? Is that correct?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 April 2013, 07:20:01
I got keycaps! Took some quick pictures of the unboxing! Later I'll give you a better overview

(http://i.imgur.com/dBkhinC.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/KE40kUD.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/OTcMhyq.jpg)

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 19 April 2013, 07:44:14
Keyboard before and after photos, please!  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Fri, 19 April 2013, 07:44:59
Oooooh...... :-*

Show some space bars!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:25:21
Those look delicious! :D I'm thinking I may have to grab some more Dupli-color this weekend to get a nice red case on one of my Leopold's.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jabar on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:30:15
These are going on my 7bit Phantom once it's done.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:31:19
Really panicking that I forgot to ask tjcaustin to order a spacebar for me... In case I didn't, are there spare 6.25 spacebars?

Edit: Ignore - panic over - I just found my PM to tj and I did indeed ask for a spacebar (as well as a numpad set which I'd forgotten about - my goldtouch will be pleased!)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:18:00
(http://i.imgur.com/RrJTEW3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fl014T3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/SBUd43R.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:22:12
HOLY ****....

I'm stunned.... :eek:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: boost on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:22:18
Wow. Just wow
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: i3oilermaker on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:22:59
DAT retro!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:26:09
they look even better on a Pure imho

pics soon to come
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Glod on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:27:20
man, i just wish you guys offered plum blanks for the ergodox, the plum looks great with the brown

looks great, bravo geekhack, bravo Matt3o
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:30:28
These look astoundingly good and they're going straight on my KMAC.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:36:19
Awesome work sam and matt, those look fantastic! Glad I bought so much of this set. The plum especially makes this look great. Color scheme is so different from anything else available right now.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: rknize on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:03:33
They good great!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:05:57
I knew this was going to be a good one.  Glad I went all-in.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: rknize on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:07:55
That space bar looks nice.  How does it feel?  Hopefully DSA space bars will be offered for all DCS GBs going forward.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:17:46
That space bar looks nice.  How does it feel?  Hopefully DSA space bars will be offered for all DCS GBs going forward.
TOO SHARP! :'(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: hoasican2004 on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:27:05
DSA is very very beautiful!!!!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:28:59
I won't lie. I cried. :'(

So beautiful...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:35:34
I was offering to sell someone my second set, but now I'm not sure if I should. I may need a backup in case they start to shine. And I know no one else will give theirs up!

/me needs more DSA
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Larken on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:36:00
is it wrong that i like the plum more than brown? really glad I got in on this.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:44:22
Overall feel is very good. the keys are rugged and very nice to type on. don't know exactly why but mx red seems particularly good with dsa (and I'm totally an mx blue guy).

And now take a look at my custom keyboard!

(http://i.imgur.com/TdpK9lh.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/YJc1ubR.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Binge on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:45:45
 :'(

I'm entirely too choked up right now.  So glad I got in on this GB.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:46:34
wow!  BTW is that Esc a different profile?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:47:32
wow!  BTW is that Esc a different profile?


All the profile are the same, sir! :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:47:37
That print key being a different color is driving me bonkers! Also, nice case! Finally, on the left of those pictures I see that the key doesn't have a first shot in it. Are some of the keys pad printed/dye subbed? Edit: forgot there were blanks. Duh.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:48:20
Blanks don't normally have a "first" shot. :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:49:02
You with the ninja posts! I've realized my mistakes twice now this morning and you've gone ahead and corrected me already! :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:49:14
Really proud to say this is the first full set I've jumped in on. great work Matt3o!


Let the sorting begin!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:50:50
wow!  BTW is that Esc a different profile?

they are on the same profile, the ESC is simply not pressed enough.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:51:09
Man, I wish I would've grabbed a brown mod set!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: adrock on Fri, 19 April 2013, 11:48:10
can't remember what i ordered, but i'm getting increasingly excited about it :D

edit: thanks whoever sent me the order confirmation, much appreciated ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Sai on Fri, 19 April 2013, 12:27:00
got the noti. i can't seem to remember what i ordered but i believe the email includes everything. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: regack on Fri, 19 April 2013, 12:32:56
Wow! I just got the email, didn't even know these were done already... amazing!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Michael on Fri, 19 April 2013, 12:37:41
This has been the fastest, most organized GB for key cap sets I have seen yet. Awesome job Matt and Sam.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 19 April 2013, 12:39:10
This has been the fastest, most organized GB for key cap sets I have seen yet. Awesome job Matt and Ron.
FTFY, Sam was the name of his koi that passed away in his pond, IIRC. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: oluf on Fri, 19 April 2013, 14:07:17
And now take a look at my custom keyboard!

Love that custom case!! Any chance you'll be producing them for the masses? ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Glod on Fri, 19 April 2013, 15:04:23
And now take a look at my custom keyboard!

Love that custom case!! Any chance you'll be producing them for the masses? ;)

see his other topic on it, its not just a custom case it's a whole custom keyboard

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42302.msg850060#msg850060
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: DamienG on Fri, 19 April 2013, 17:32:18
Just got my invoice too. I remembering um'ing and ahh'ing at the time and changing my order a lot. Glad I settled on a whole bunch of stuff :)

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 19 April 2013, 17:54:02
Man, I wish I would've grabbed a brown mod set!
Same here! maybe I'll just make do with some of the relegendable blanks I got.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 April 2013, 18:02:43
And now take a look at my custom keyboard!

Love that custom case!! Any chance you'll be producing them for the masses? ;)

yes, it's a whole keyboard but very hard to get people buying it since it needs very specific mods. Actually DSA Retro idea was born to be able to build exactly that keyboard :)

Anyway I'll release the source files for the case. Also I'm planning to do the same case with a standard 60% and ALPS switches.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 19 April 2013, 19:03:29
And now take a look at my custom keyboard!

Love that custom case!! Any chance you'll be producing them for the masses? ;)

yes, it's a whole keyboard but very hard to get people buying it since it needs very specific mods. Actually DSA Retro idea was born to be able to build exactly that keyboard :)

Anyway I'll release the source files for the case. Also I'm planning to do the same case with a standard 60% and ALPS switches.
Oh! Yes please.  :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Loligagger on Fri, 19 April 2013, 19:14:26
The thickness on the caps is ~1mm like the DCS line right?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 19 April 2013, 20:22:57


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Fl014T3.jpg)




This was it, ..........I nearly choked on my Corn Flakes, when this page was shown.

It's so damn NICE I can't find any words within the English language to describe this Key-set.  Totally dumbfounded with exuberance, because I know what's coming through the post for me.

I also appreciated the email notice you sent informing me of my Order and my address that these items will be sent to.  This is what I call the MOST Professional Group Buy undertaken thus far here on Geekhack.

In fact I don't know of anyone who can meet this level of professionalism or design taste when it came to devising a Group Buy.  I am only hoping this is not the LAST key-set you will ever design for us here Matt3o.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 19 April 2013, 20:53:04
Sploog!

Awesome!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 20 April 2013, 01:59:16
unfortunately I don't have a white or even better beige case. the caps should look awesome on them!

Also, kudos to the braves who took the C64 kit (the grey function row) because that brown with that grey is simply amazing! I'll try to take more pictures this weeks end.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: rao2100 on Sat, 20 April 2013, 02:24:48
Lovely keycaps, hope there will be more groupbuys in the future. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 20 April 2013, 04:32:34
unfortunately I don't have a white or even better beige case. the caps should look awesome on them!

Also, kudos to the braves who took the C64 kit (the grey function row) because that brown with that grey is simply amazing! I'll try to take more pictures this weeks end.
I got the C64 kit...  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 20 April 2013, 05:16:31
Also, kudos to the braves who took the C64 kit (the grey function row) because that brown with that grey is simply amazing! I'll try to take more pictures this weeks end.
I got the C64 kit...  ;D

Yes, same here I had to buy 4 of them.  I always liked the Commodore Symbol because it reminded me of my old school days here in Convict Town  ::) .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Sat, 20 April 2013, 09:06:46
Wow am even more glad I also got a late plum set now!

Looks great. I also got the C64 row, really look forward to a bit of unicorn there.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Sat, 20 April 2013, 14:00:27
That looks just great, so glad I'm in on this.

Got the confirmation mail, iirc everything is correct but the address systems seems to have problems with German "Umlaute" (ü in my case). As Ron is certainly flooded with PMs/mails I'll wait if he posts here before I send him a mail.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: habitualapse on Sat, 20 April 2013, 15:45:29
So green with envy. Those caps really came out beautifully.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Sat, 20 April 2013, 15:46:39
This is going to look so good on a poker. I can't wait!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 20 April 2013, 16:13:37
That looks just great, so glad I'm in on this.

Got the confirmation mail, iirc everything is correct but the address systems seems to have problems with German "Umlaute" (ü in my case). As Ron is certainly flooded with PMs/mails I'll wait if he posts here before I send him a mail.

How should it be printed if no umlaut is available?  Just as a 'u'?

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: MadScientist46 on Sat, 20 April 2013, 16:17:13
Umlauts are normally written like this in Germany:

ä=ae; ü=ue; ö=oe

But you might want to wait for Bullveyr's answer.

PS: Did I mention I can't wait for these? I already got a "I hate you for getting these!" from a friend!  ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Sat, 20 April 2013, 16:31:35
That looks just great, so glad I'm in on this.

Got the confirmation mail, iirc everything is correct but the address systems seems to have problems with German "Umlaute" (ü in my case). As Ron is certainly flooded with PMs/mails I'll wait if he posts here before I send him a mail.

How should it be printed if no umlaut is available?  Just as a 'u'? - Ron I samwisekoi
As MadScientist46 wrote ü=ue, so it should be printed that way (although "u" would also work I guess).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: MadScientist46 on Sat, 20 April 2013, 16:36:40
... (although "u" would also work I guess).

You must have smart mailmen over in Austria. Over here, maybe 20% of the 'Deutsche Post' employees would get that right ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Sat, 20 April 2013, 16:48:35
I don't worry about the girl who probably will deliver the package, the people in the distribution centers are a different story (I worked in one as a summer job a couple of times :D).
They can handle non-consecutive addresses here, so a simple letter shouldn't be that of a problem. :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Mugen on Sat, 20 April 2013, 20:09:00
Gotta say, this picture (http://i.imgur.com/Fl014T3.jpg) made my regret not joining the GB, this set looks unbelievable, one of the better looking sets i've seen.
Hope they'll be a round 2 of this.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 20 April 2013, 21:15:34
Gotta say, this picture (http://i.imgur.com/Fl014T3.jpg) made my regret not joining the GB, this set looks unbelievable, one of the better looking sets i've seen.
Hope they'll be a round 2 of this.

There will be sets available from some bulk buyers, but...

Retro Green and Retro Blue are coming next!  Go search for Nuclear Data...

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: daerid on Sat, 20 April 2013, 23:46:21
Retro Blue? Man, I'm gonna have to get in on that even though I don't have a Cherry board
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 21 April 2013, 02:28:12

Retro Green and Retro Blue are coming next!  Go search for Nuclear Data...

 - Ron I samwisekoi

Damn, Sammy this is real brilliant news.  It looks like another round of wallet-raping in the never ending Orgy of Key-caps here on Geekhack  ;D .  Loving it immensely.

I wanna be covered in DSA goodness....... forever.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 21 April 2013, 02:34:19
NUCLEAR DATA NEXT PLEASE!!!
Title: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: daerid on Sun, 21 April 2013, 03:09:22
What is this Nuclear Data?
Title: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Halverson on Sun, 21 April 2013, 03:11:44
What is this Nuclear Data?

I believe white on dark green sphericals?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 21 April 2013, 03:36:16
What is this Nuclear Data?

I believe white on dark green sphericals?

yes, but in SA family I guess.

actually the next real thing would be DSA PBT (white+grey)... have to think about it
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 21 April 2013, 05:08:01
actually the next real thing would be DSA PBT (white+grey)... have to think about it

If SP can pull it off making all 87 or 104 keys, then I'm in for at least 4 sets.  Please make available any extra's like spare Space-bars (PBT - 7 inchers) and different coloured ESC's, Enter (RETURN's) and such  ;D .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: chaosstep on Sun, 21 April 2013, 05:18:54
What is this Nuclear Data?

I believe white on dark green sphericals?

yes, but in SA family I guess.

actually the next real thing would be DSA PBT (white+grey)... have to think about it

Sounds good!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: zenuty on Sun, 21 April 2013, 08:11:29
i was excited waiting for DSA Retro Set

i wish meet soon.

My heart speed UP !!!

Thankyou for group buy organizer
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Sun, 21 April 2013, 09:48:37
What is this Nuclear Data?

I believe white on dark green sphericals?

yes, but in SA family I guess.

actually the next real thing would be DSA PBT (white+grey)... have to think about it

white and grey? Sounds perfect to me:)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: baldgye on Sun, 21 April 2013, 09:49:44
And now I'm gutted that I missed out on this GB :()
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Sun, 21 April 2013, 13:11:53
I'm going to keep wishing that Nuclear Data set closer...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 21 April 2013, 13:52:25
And now I'm gutted that I missed out on this GB :()
vendors will be stocking these sets as well for those who missed out :)

i think i said this privately but not on the forum, but it deserves to be said as loudly as possible: HOLY CRAP THESE LOOK GOOD
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: wasabah on Sun, 21 April 2013, 13:54:45
Man, these look awesome. Now I just wish I had ordered more... and as somebody said, plum blanks for Ergodox would have been the icing on the cake.
Can't wait!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 21 April 2013, 15:10:51
Is there any hope of ever seeing plum blanks? 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: TDub on Sun, 21 April 2013, 15:26:29
Plum and the green!!! blanks would make my ergodox sooooo sweet!!! I also regret not picking one up for my GH60 :( Maybe someone will sell me a TKL set.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: baldgye on Sun, 21 April 2013, 15:50:11
And now I'm gutted that I missed out on this GB :()
vendors will be stocking these sets as well for those who missed out :)

i think i said this privately but not on the forum, but it deserves to be said as loudly as possible: HOLY CRAP THESE LOOK GOOD

which vendors ? Techkeys?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: salmo on Sun, 21 April 2013, 16:20:27
which vendors ? Techkeys?

yup
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: baldgye on Sun, 21 April 2013, 16:22:04
awesome :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 21 April 2013, 19:25:54
i think i said this privately but not on the forum, but it deserves to be said as loudly as possible: HOLY CRAP THESE LOOK GOOD

You took the words right out of my mouth......

I think I'll hit Boiler's place for another four sets when he starts selling them.  I have heaps of keyboards all wanting to look like Commodore's  ;) .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: daerid on Sun, 21 April 2013, 21:27:44
OMG spread the love, don't buy up all the extra stock from TK. Let some of us who didn't get in on it nab some first :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Sun, 21 April 2013, 23:47:42
I have Dupli-Color'd my work keyboard case (well, perfections are happening next weekend) in preparation for this. It looks so good with my stock black keys... but I can't wait for this set to show up to go along with it!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 22 April 2013, 01:29:51
OMG spread the love, don't buy up all the extra stock from TK.

I think Boiler would of bought at least 100 sets here.  Due to the overwhelming popularity of these babies.  Alright I'll buy just TWO extra sets  ::) .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Fred on Mon, 22 April 2013, 02:49:09
That looks just great, so glad I'm in on this.

Got the confirmation mail, iirc everything is correct but the address systems seems to have problems with German "Umlaute" (ü in my case). As Ron is certainly flooded with PMs/mails I'll wait if he posts here before I send him a mail.

How should it be printed if no umlaut is available?  Just as a 'u'?

 - Ron I samwisekoi

My mail also has question marks for some letters (å and ä). If they're not possible to replicate, a simple "a" works as replacement i think.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: wasabah on Mon, 22 April 2013, 03:46:42
Mh, I didn't receive any confirmation mail.. :S
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 22 April 2013, 05:30:09
More pictures.

(http://i.imgur.com/8sbpy2E.jpg)

This is my preferred layout with this set.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Mon, 22 April 2013, 05:40:22
motherofgod.jpeg

I honestly didn't think this set would look THIS good. Can I haz mine naow Matt3o????
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: wasabah on Mon, 22 April 2013, 05:40:32
Want. NOW!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Glod on Mon, 22 April 2013, 06:50:18
love it, love the legends, love the colors, glad I bought 2 :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 22 April 2013, 06:58:16
Jesus.... It's, it's... Beautiful...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:38:06
YUUUUUP! going to copy that Pure layout on my pure, but I may have made a mistake swapping to all brown with no plum. Oh well I'm sure I can acquire plum from a vendor to atone for my sins.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: daerid on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:49:07
Please, please do another run.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 22 April 2013, 11:05:08
More pictures.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8sbpy2E.jpg)


This is my preferred layout with this set.

Oh man, this is the layout I'm getting for the GH60.  These look amazing.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: salmo on Mon, 22 April 2013, 11:14:27
More pictures.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8sbpy2E.jpg)


This is my preferred layout with this set.
Oh man, this is the layout I'm getting for the GH60.  These look amazing.

This actually made me tweak my GH60 order.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 22 April 2013, 11:43:56
More pictures.
This is my preferred layout with this set.
Oh man, this is the layout I'm getting for the GH60.  These look amazing.

This actually made me tweak my GH60 order.

I switched from the Samwise layout to this one as well.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: daerid on Mon, 22 April 2013, 12:05:15
That's the ANSI w/ the short R-shift (pure), right? This one?

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41464.0;attach=16403;image)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 22 April 2013, 12:44:15
That's the ANSI w/ the short R-shift (pure), right? This one?

Show Image
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it is
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: daerid on Mon, 22 April 2013, 12:45:19
Good, that means I ordered the right one :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 22 April 2013, 15:15:05
Some boxes came in this afternoon.  I'm sure I'll have some time to get around to looking in them one of these days...

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 22 April 2013, 15:22:38
(http://i.imgur.com/LTfLK.gif)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 22 April 2013, 15:34:16
They look pre-sorted already! shipping could start any day!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 22 April 2013, 15:36:35
Sweet! Hopefully these are waiting on my doorstep when I get home from finals :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: codymaust on Mon, 22 April 2013, 15:50:27
Ayee

Can't wait!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Mon, 22 April 2013, 15:54:39
They look like were packed in some sets, maybe it make sorting a lot easier/quicker?!:D

Guys, what do you think - which keyboard cover color would be better with this set?
Latte  (http://www.iconsume.co.uk/spray-paint-supplies-c8/spray-paint-c124/montana-gold-latte-400ml-p4653)or Sahara beige (http://www.iconsume.co.uk/montana-gold-sahara-beige-400ml-p4544)?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 22 April 2013, 15:58:04
Latte would get my vote
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: DamienG on Mon, 22 April 2013, 16:05:16
Some boxes came in this afternoon.  I'm sure I'll have some time to get around to looking in them one of these days...
So when is the party?

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 22 April 2013, 16:57:35
Some boxes came in this afternoon.  I'm sure I'll have some time to get around to looking in them one of these days...
So when is the party?

[)amien

Saturday May 4th as planned.

Postal scale arrived today, shipping boxes are not here yet.  Address corrections (and sneaky requests for extra items) are still coming in.

We are on plan, people.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 22 April 2013, 17:23:46
Do those boxes smell of delicious coffee beans?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 22 April 2013, 21:44:34

Postal scale arrived today, shipping boxes are not here yet.  Address corrections (and sneaky requests for extra items) are still coming in.

We are on plan, people.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Nice to know everything is going to PLAN.  These are the single MOST wanted keys I could ever wish for, they look so superb and should work beautifully in any keyboard (Filco, Cherry, Ducky, Pure, Race ........).

Thank you for helping out Matt3o with this fantastic Group Buy that will be talked about for years to come  ;) .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: codymaust on Mon, 22 April 2013, 22:24:53
Can't wait for extras to go on sale  :eek:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 23 April 2013, 02:02:50
I'm definitely getting some extras when they show up.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Tue, 23 April 2013, 02:44:13
Latte would get my vote

Yeah, I think latte is closer to original beige keyboards of Commodore 64 or Amiga...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 23 April 2013, 03:33:24
Can't wait for extras to go on sale  :eek:
Yeah, I'm thinking I might need another set. Should have got two from the get go but oh well.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Tue, 23 April 2013, 03:47:13
Latte would get my vote

Yeah, I think latte is closer to original beige keyboards of Commodore 64 or Amiga...

That was my thinking - the other looked a little too brown / yellow...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Larken on Tue, 23 April 2013, 04:15:06
sneaky requests? I like the sound of that.

Matt3o - any chance deep dish blanks would be offered? Don't think these were offered in the original gb (if they were, I missed it completely), but I saw something said about those on DT, and you would be the man to talk to about that.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 23 April 2013, 07:19:11
yes, I have a veeery limited quantity of deep dish I can sell. We had very few of them so they won't be the cheapest.
Title: AW: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: suka on Tue, 23 April 2013, 09:16:06
Not wanting to sound rude, but will the original requests still be fulfilled? I 'ordered' 10 back when you asked for an IC on DT.

Don't get me wrong, I'm so happy with the way you and samwisekoi organized the Retro GB, but the deep-dishes would be the icing on the cake from the looks of your prototype.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 23 April 2013, 09:22:03
suka, the BLANK deepdish were not even meant to be taken in the first place... I bought them for myself and I'm willing to part some of them.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Larken on Tue, 23 April 2013, 10:16:44
I wouldn't mind paying a fair price for some if you're willing to part with some, but I echo suka's comments. Both you and samwisekoi are awesome.

Very very happy with how the GB is done, and the blank deep dishes would be great to complete my set of blanks if I could get some. If not, I'll just wait for the next round, no worries at all.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 23 April 2013, 10:34:09
I can't wait to put these on my G80-2100. Can't really remember everything I got in my order, LOL!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: boost on Tue, 23 April 2013, 10:37:42
Some boxes came in this afternoon.  I'm sure I'll have some time to get around to looking in them one of these days...
So when is the party?

[)amien

Saturday May 4th as planned.

Postal scale arrived today, shipping boxes are not here yet.  Address corrections (and sneaky requests for extra items) are still coming in.

We are on plan, people.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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O_O who's sending in sneaky requests?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Tue, 23 April 2013, 10:47:39
O_O who's sending in sneaky requests?


I bet it's that boost guy. He's a character. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Index on Tue, 23 April 2013, 11:44:50
Lol I just showed my friend the set and now he wants one also (he's big on retro in general). Probably going to try to snatch a Alpha + TKL set from another user.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 23 April 2013, 12:25:51
The alpha kit shows Deep dish for E, H, N, T, U, F, and J. Are they not in fact included?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 23 April 2013, 12:29:52
The alpha kit shows Deep dish for E, H, N, T, U, F, and J. Are they not in fact included?

sure they are included! why not?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 23 April 2013, 12:36:52
The alpha kit shows Deep dish for E, H, N, T, U, F, and J. Are they not in fact included?

sure they are included! why not?

suka, the deepdish were not even meant to be taken in the first place... I bought them for myself and I'm willing to part some of them.

I'm an idiot, didn't realize this was in reference to blank deep dish.  :-[
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 23 April 2013, 13:19:25
rectified
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 23 April 2013, 17:41:17
Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.

But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s. Note the deep dish F and J.  Watch out for the other deep dishes in the kit for the Dvorak and Colemak folks!.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 23 April 2013, 17:49:01
so excited!
Also, nice layout :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 23 April 2013, 19:07:15
Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.

But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s. Note the deep dish F and J.  Watch out for the other deep dishes in the kit for the Dvorak and Colemak folks!.

sam is that the board with the crazy awesome matrix you made?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: DamienG on Tue, 23 April 2013, 19:39:49
Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.
Mmm. Bringing this one to the party right? You want me to bring the KeyCool 84? Any others?

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: salmo on Tue, 23 April 2013, 21:22:42
Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.

But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

These are amazing.  And that GH75 looks great.  Is the plate basically the case there?

That said, it may be my eyes, but I think your 's' is upside down.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Wed, 24 April 2013, 02:50:21
Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.

But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s. Note the deep dish F and J.  Watch out for the other deep dishes in the kit for the Dvorak and Colemak folks!.

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40175.0;attach=19627;image)
On second photo those caps look like dirty a bit. Are they or is it just me?:)
Also, noticed that S cap is up side down:)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 24 April 2013, 04:10:43
Maybe O,I,Z,N,X are also up side down. :P

Note to myself: Look closely to not install Z/N turned 90°. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 24 April 2013, 04:38:01

On second photo those caps look like dirty a bit. Are they or is it just me?:)
Also, noticed that S cap is up side down:)

it must be an effect caused by the camera flash.

Maybe O,I,Z,N,X are also up side down. :P

Note to myself: Look closely to not install Z/N turned 90°. :D

it's very easy. just check the sprue marks location.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Wed, 24 April 2013, 04:47:04
Cool. I thought they were dusty:)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: rao2100 on Wed, 24 April 2013, 09:22:56
Awesome keycaps, cant wait for the next round. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 24 April 2013, 10:22:56
Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.

But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

These are amazing.  And that GH75 looks great.  Is the plate basically the case there?

That said, it may be my eyes, but I think your 's' is upside down.

Thanks; that is the GH75 with hard-wired matrix.  No, the keycaps are not dusty -- the photo was taken in the afternoon, and those are sparkles from the new plastic.  It looks quite different in person.

And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not.  Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front!  Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!

To give myself some credit, I noticed this before you all did -- but some of the letters are harder to detect than the "S".  And all of them should be oriented properly -- and I had (IIRC) one or two properly aligned.

So, check the sprues and the dishes when installing.

Also, thickness-fans will be pleased, I think.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 24 April 2013, 10:31:23
Also, thickness-fans will be pleased, I think.
 - Ron | samwisekoi

Can we get an upskirt shot of one of these keycaps?  :))
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: mashby on Wed, 24 April 2013, 10:58:36
All these pictures are causing my salivary glands to dry out!  :p

Is there any ETA on when they'll be shipped?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: oldskulrulz on Wed, 24 April 2013, 11:43:45
No, the keycaps are not dusty -- the photo was taken in the afternoon, and those are sparkles from the new plastic.  It looks quite different in person.

So, plastic shining or not, I see color disturbances on both photos even You shoot two pics from different angles... On the Space key below "V": there is a diagonal "line".

Or see 2nd. pic: left Commodore and left Alt keys have a line on their left sides. But Space have not - why? Very strange lighting effects. I know cameras sometimes make quite different pictures than live appearance. But these pictures a bit surreal - would be nice to re-take a photo outdoor in normal sunlight w.o. flash just for sure.

I getting see slight spotting on Matt3o's brilliant photos too [a smiley getting mad here]

Anyway, if You send me a keyboard like that I can make professional photos about :D (...I mean send me to keep it...)  :)

Ohh! And who will the brave to make a side-by-side photo with a real C64 !? :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 24 April 2013, 11:50:51
All these pictures are causing my salivary glands to dry out!  :p

Is there any ETA on when they'll be shipped?

1.  Have a Gatorade®.

2.  Packing begins on May 4th.  Norcal members (and those from further away) are welcome.  Willing workers will get to take their keycaps home that very day!  Others will have to wait until the USPS collects, transits, and delivers.  PM me if interested.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 24 April 2013, 12:45:05
And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not.  Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front!  Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 24 April 2013, 12:52:28
And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not.  Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front!  Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?

All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 24 April 2013, 12:54:31
No upskirt shots of these ladies? Rumor has it these beauties are thick.

(disgusted stares directed at Krog)

Oh, right, like I'm the pig!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:08:19
And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not.  Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front!  Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?

All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Binge on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:21:41
And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not.  Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front!  Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?

All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.

DSA != DCS
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:22:57
And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not.  Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front!  Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?

All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.

DSA is symmetrical
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:38:23
And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not.  Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front!  Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?

All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.

DSA is symmetrical
So the mount on the DSA keys is symmetrical although the MX stem isn't?
Does that mean that the keys aren't fitting as tight as DCS does for example?

I don't want to sound like "that guy", I'm just confused. ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:42:55
And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not.  Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front!  Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?

All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.

DSA is symmetrical
So the mount on the DSA keys is symmetrical although the MX stem isn't?
Does that mean that the keys aren't fitting as tight as DCS does for example?

I don't want to sound like "that guy", I'm just confused. ;)

Typical cap sets have different profiles. The W key is a different profile than a Z key. If you put the Z cap in the same place as the W key, you would see the difference in profile.


DSA means that all the caps are uniform in profile. You can put the Z key where the W should go, and there won't be a profile difference.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:50:40
I'm not talking about the profile, I'm perfectly aware of that.

My point is that although you can rotate a DSA key 90° without any profile issue it possibly causes a problem because the MX stem isn't a "perfect +" (horizontal part thicker than the vertical one).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: rknize on Wed, 24 April 2013, 14:15:33
The Cherry MX stem is not uniform in that way.  The horizontal of the cruciform is thicker than the vertical.  However, SP's MX mount is not like this.  The horizontal and vertical are both the larger thickness...or very nearly so.

This is part of the reason why SP's mounts are a bit on the loose side and why the Costar stabilizers don't stay in.  In the case of the stabilizer, the cruciform seems to use the smaller dimension on both axis.  That's why they will usually stay in a normal Cherry cap but will fall out of an SP cap.
Title: Re: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 24 April 2013, 14:15:55
No upskirt shots of these ladies? Rumor has it these beauties are thick.

(disgusted stares directed at Krog)

Oh, right, like I'm the pig!

I like my women like I like my key caps.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 24 April 2013, 14:57:12
The Cherry MX stem is not uniform in that way.  The horizontal of the cruciform is thicker than the vertical.  However, SP's MX mount is not like this.  The horizontal and vertical are both the larger thickness...or very nearly so.

This is part of the reason why SP's mounts are a bit on the loose side and why the Costar stabilizers don't stay in.  In the case of the stabilizer, the cruciform seems to use the smaller dimension on both axis.  That's why they will usually stay in a normal Cherry cap but will fall out of an SP cap.
Thx, that answers my questions. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: vorn on Wed, 24 April 2013, 15:12:56
The Cherry MX stem is not uniform in that way.  The horizontal of the cruciform is thicker than the vertical.  However, SP's MX mount is not like this.  The horizontal and vertical are both the larger thickness...or very nearly so.

This is part of the reason why SP's mounts are a bit on the loose side and why the Costar stabilizers don't stay in.  In the case of the stabilizer, the cruciform seems to use the smaller dimension on both axis.  That's why they will usually stay in a normal Cherry cap but will fall out of an SP cap.

I didn't know that about SP caps! Do they have a reputation for being loose? Across all families?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 24 April 2013, 15:14:30
The Cherry MX stem is not uniform in that way.  The horizontal of the cruciform is thicker than the vertical.  However, SP's MX mount is not like this.  The horizontal and vertical are both the larger thickness...or very nearly so.

This is part of the reason why SP's mounts are a bit on the loose side and why the Costar stabilizers don't stay in.  In the case of the stabilizer, the cruciform seems to use the smaller dimension on both axis.  That's why they will usually stay in a normal Cherry cap but will fall out of an SP cap.

I didn't know that about SP caps! Do they have a reputation for being loose? Across all families?


It just depends on the mold, I guess. Their DCS spacebar molds hold those stabilizer inserts in TIGHT!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Loligagger on Wed, 24 April 2013, 15:50:23
What about DSA caps then? Was the tape/plastic trick necessary for the stabilized keys?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 24 April 2013, 17:22:51
What about DSA caps then? Was the tape/plastic trick necessary for the stabilized keys?

it was necessary for costar, yes.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Thu, 25 April 2013, 01:47:06
I prefer the 'little square of paper' trick ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Thu, 25 April 2013, 08:00:41
Does it mean that for Filco or CM Quickfire Rapid we will need to use some paper or sth to stick them on stabilized keys?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 25 April 2013, 08:46:54
Does it mean that for Filco or CM Quickfire Rapid we will need to use some paper or sth to stick them on stabilized keys?

Use teflon tape, I think it is also known as plumber's tape.

(http://411plumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Plumbers-Tape-Teflon-Wrapping-Pipe.jpg)
(suggestion courtesy of samwisekoi)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: vorn on Thu, 25 April 2013, 08:58:28
Yes it is also known as plumbers tape, and thanks for the suggestion :)

DSA! ALL THE WAY!!!

I've been day dreaming about what 35 deep dish DSA blanks might be like to type on. Could be, nice?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: korrelate on Wed, 01 May 2013, 12:42:31
Beautiful work here. Really... this is just gorgeous.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 01 May 2013, 13:35:05
I have a very limited quantity of blank deep dish keycaps.

If you are interested please PM me, they go for $1 each, I have very few of them so I'm not keen on selling more than 4-6 per person (if there's no interest in them I'll consider selling more per person). Please note that shipping originates from Italy, UNregistered mail would be $4 internationally (at your own risk and it might take 3-4 weeks to be delivered), registered mail goes from $7 to $10 depending on where you live.

I know it sucks paying so much shipping for just a couple of keys... but the keys were not in the original GB and I was able to sneak them into my order, so consider them a bonus. Also I have other items to sell you may be interested in (KBT Pure with PBT caps, ABS rainbow blank alpha kit, sony e-reader prs-650, sony camera DSC-TX10, ESI unik 04 monitor speakers, ...).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 01 May 2013, 14:28:40
Got the final order verification but there is still the problem with the German Umlaute.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 01 May 2013, 15:18:04
Got the final order verification but there is still the problem with the German Umlaute.

Jeez, really?  I have it as Maklerbüro, the database has it like that, but I am sending those e-mails through a very basic Linux mailer, so perhaps the strippage occurs along the way.  I will watch the shipping label and use a ballpoint if needed!

In other Retro DSA news, an unnamed member sent a couple of beautiful GEEK HACK banners to decorate the packing party.  Thank you very much, unnamed member.

And in unrelated news, I mean absolutely unrelated news, a completely random member was selected for an early shipment because we needed to test the process, including the box size.  I hope you like the keycaps, unnamed member!

Unfortunately, the packing tests we have done showed that DSA keycap sets are NOT much smaller than other keycaps.  In fact, our first large trial order couldn't fit into TWO medium USPS flat-rate boxes, so I had to re-pack it and send it UPS.  This works for the US, but is a problem across borders.

The test of a small-box order showed that it would fit, but with alphas, mods, 10-key pad, C64 gray kit and a couple of dozen blank keycaps, it was a very tight fit.

We may have problems with orders that were on the high-side of fitting into a flat-rate box of either size.

One option we have is to open all of the little bags and ship all the keycaps loose.  That would save space, but is ugly for many reasons, so I don't want to do that.

We will get everything out that we safely can, and contact people individually if we need to re-think packing.  If your confirmation e-mail has 10 lines or more, you might be affected.  More when we know more.

FYI to all,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 01 May 2013, 15:29:18
Got the final order verification but there is still the problem with the German Umlaute.

Jeez, really?  I have it as Maklerbüro, the database has it like that, but I am sending those e-mails through a very basic Linux mailer, so perhaps the strippage occurs along the way.  I will watch the shipping label and use a ballpoint if needed!
Yea, dunno what causes the problem but I'm not really worried anyways, I'm pretty sure "Maklerb�ro" on the label would still reach its destination.

Quote
We will get everything out that we safely can, and contact people individually if we need to re-think packing.  If your confirmation e-mail has 10 lines or more, you might be affected.  More when we know more.
With 19 lines I guess I'm affected, no problem paying a few extra bucks for safe shipping.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: DamienG on Wed, 01 May 2013, 16:06:19
The database is probably unicode or utf-8 and correct.

The mailing software sounds like it's setting ISO-8859-1 (Windows 1252-Latin-1) in the mime header (or not setting one at all) then emitting UTF-8 characters.

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 May 2013, 16:12:17
It's my opinion that ALL mailing addresses should be written in standard English (Latin alphabet). That should be a requirement from this point forward, to ensure compatibility between postal services and systems.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: DamienG on Wed, 01 May 2013, 16:17:17
It's my opinion that ALL mailing addresses should be written in standard English (Latin alphabet). That should be a requirement from this point forward, to ensure compatibility between postal services and systems.
What postal service compatibility? Origin country sees destination country name, ships it. Doesn't care about rest of label. Destination should know their own characters.

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: oluf on Wed, 01 May 2013, 16:21:45
Order confirmation received.. Thank you! However, the city, state and zip code are incorrect. I replied to the email with an update. Please, let me know if you didn't get it. Thanks again!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 May 2013, 16:33:09
It's my opinion that ALL mailing addresses should be written in standard English (Latin alphabet). That should be a requirement from this point forward, to ensure compatibility between postal services and systems.
What postal service compatibility? Origin country sees destination country name, ships it. Doesn't care about rest of label. Destination should know their own characters.

[)amien

For instance, if I send something international from the counter at the post office here, the clerk has to type in the information I wrote on the customs form into the computer. Will she know that there is a difference between a "ü" and a "u," or that it matters?

That's just one example that I can think of.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 01 May 2013, 16:35:23
but the country can be typed in plain english
Title: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: fydo on Wed, 01 May 2013, 17:23:58
I am so excited! :D
This set looks amazing!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Wed, 01 May 2013, 17:35:55
No problem here with some extra funds for more box space in the shipping if needed, you guys are really taking good care of this!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Glod on Wed, 01 May 2013, 18:19:15
mr samwise

you have a PM! (when you get a chance of course....busy man i know)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 01 May 2013, 20:01:33

We will get everything out that we safely can, and contact people individually if we need to re-think packing.  If your confirmation e-mail has 10 lines or more, you might be affected.  More when we know more.

FYI to all,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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No worries Sam, if you need more moolah then email me with the required "updated" amount.

More than happy to pay up and make sure these babies are delivered to my address in Convict Town  ;) .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: salmo on Wed, 01 May 2013, 20:30:53
For instance, if I send something international from the counter at the post office here, the clerk has to type in the information I wrote on the customs form into the computer. Will she know that there is a difference between a "ü" and a "u," or that it matters?

That's just one example that I can think of.

I ran a contract postal unit for a while.  No one types in the customs forms, so no worries there.  They are just many carbon copies (one for you, one for the accepting post office, a couple more for someone else to peel off...).  Same with insurance, etc.  There are no character set limitations in US postal mail.  They've just gotten to the point where they add zipcodes and such to barcodes on letters and postage, names aren't really used anywhere in their systems that I can think of.  Delivery notification is just tied to the barcode.  Heck, with registered mail, everyone who touches it has to log it in a book (book!).   As far as I could tell, it just made mail slower because everyone hated touching it. 

There are a variety of character set limitations in email.  Some legacy mail tools still only support 7-bit encoding ASCII, most do full 8-bit ASCII like ISO-8859-1 or whatnot.  Few are UTF-8 clean, outside of graphical mail clients.  The scrozzling of the umlaut looks like a character encoding issue.  No big deal, it'll print fine.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: wasabah on Thu, 02 May 2013, 03:27:06
I still don't have a confirmation mail either.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 02 May 2013, 04:41:55
Got my confirmation. All good.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 02 May 2013, 08:35:51
I still don't have a confirmation mail either.

I will check on this when I get to the office.

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 02 May 2013, 08:46:44
FYI: deep dish blanks are already sold out. Thanks everyone, enjoy your caps!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:45:32
I can't wait to see this set! Thanks Ron and Matt for probably the best-run (and possibly the best-looking) groupbuy so far.
Any word on what GB is next? Green Retro set? Or some spherical?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 02 May 2013, 13:48:34
I can't wait to see this set! Thanks Ron and Matt for probably the best-run (and possibly the best-looking) groupbuy so far.
Any word on what GB is next? Green Retro set? Or some spherical?

There are words in this that bug me that shouldn't bug me.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:05:04
Don't worry, your highness. Your GB holds a special in someone's heart. It's a shame that that person had a heart attack though...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:59:06
I can't wait to see this set! Thanks Ron and Matt for probably the best-run (and possibly the best-looking) groupbuy so far.
Any word on what GB is next? Green Retro set? Or some spherical?

There are words in this that bug me that shouldn't bug me.

Matt's front-end for the DSA GB should become a regular feature of all GBs is what I'm saying. CCnG is right up there in halls of GB winningness.

(a month later, Krog receives his CCnG package, consisting of a fine CCnG powder)

0_o

We should have a thread dedicated to overemotional reactions to GB set unpackings. I'm plan on playing Peter Cetera's 'Glory of Love' (as seen in The Karate Kid part whatever) when I open my DSA set. The USPS box will rest on a white satin pillow.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:06:41
er·ra·ta  noun, plural
statements of error and correction inserted, usually on separate pages or slips of paper, in books or other publications

Apparently the DSA sets for the past few years have had some fit problem when installed in certain keyboards.  This may have been shrugged off as 'just one of those things' by past purchasers, but not any more!

As soon as the Retro DSA keycaps came out of the molds, Matt3o had a sample set sent to him in his keycap-design studio in Tuscany.  There, against the umber hills found in so many paintings (and tourist photos) he test fit the keycaps onto several keyboards and discovered the problem.  Careful measurement and some consultation revealed what the problem had been all along:  The 2.25 and 2.75 keycaps were over-large and out of spec.  On some keyboards they work fine, but on keyboards that closely follow the Cherry specs, they bind against edges and adjacent keycaps.  On your Poker or Pure?  Fine.  On your Filco.  Nope.  won't work.

So, with the kind and compassionate Melissa from Signature Plastics on the job immediately, new molds for both sizes were made and then replacement keycaps for every 2.25 and 2.75 keycaps in Retro DSA were re-shot.  The replacement keycaps were bagged into small kits we are calling "Errata" and air-lifted to the Samwisekoi Retro DSA Packing and Shipment facility in California.

So the members of this group buy will be receiving an extra bag or bags of 2.25 and 2.75 (Shift and Return) keycaps for every Mod kit in their order.  These errata kits might not be needed, but you -- valued group buy member -- will have them in your order nevertheless.

And every future run of DSA keycaps will fit Filco and related keyboards better than ever.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Update 9:37am PDT:  Errata kits have arrived!  They fit!  O frabjous day!  Callooh! Callay!
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:08:40
And this is how things should be done.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: i3oilermaker on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:09:22
(http://i.imgur.com/zJ6g1NQ.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: regack on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:11:21

(descrptive text of the great work by all involved)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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This is the best group buy ever.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:14:26
Wow - that's service!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:15:19
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Let's not forget Matt3o. It was his measuring and checking that helped sort this ordeal out.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:19:08
Gawd bless you fine gentlemen.
Title: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: fydo on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:27:28
Wow, you guys are amazing. This is excellent news!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:29:57
This also paves the way for more DSA profile GBs in the future; not just at GH, but elsewhere. It also reflects well on SP, that they were willing to 'make things right'. So, if I read this correctly:

Quote from: samwisekoi
The 2.25 and 2.75 keycaps were over-large and out of spec.  On some keyboards they work fine, but on keyboards that closely follow the Cherry specs, they bind against edges and adjacent keycaps.  On your Poker or Pure?  Fine.  On your Filco.  Nope.  won't work.

This could be an unexpected boon to Poker and Pure owners, yes? Hello aftermarket! I say donate some of that lettuce back to the GB organizers if they're running low on green, or to cover unexpected expenses. That wouldn't be a requirement, but I think it would be a nice gesture.

Question: how would a Ducky stack up in terms of 'fit' -- Poker or Pure, or more of a Filco?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Fri, 03 May 2013, 14:12:37
How cool! This is going to be such a good looking well fitting key set.

Nice one by the GB guys and SP.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 03 May 2013, 14:58:38
By some bizarre coincidence, my keyboard was DSA Retro-fied by Italian- and Seattle-based elves. No wimpy tenkeyless setups for me, no sir.

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Very tightly boxed. There was very little room left in the box, but nothing arrived crushed.
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Finally, the upskirt photos I was looking for! As promised, these are a nice thickness.
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I started with the numpad on my Ducky SE with MX Greens. I like the Retro-numpad with SP stock black-on-white as-is. Makes it look like I've got an old-fashioned numpad alongside a modern 'board. Keycaps are fitting nicely, no issues. Yes, the '6' and the '9' are a bit confusing, but not terribly so.
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Something else -- I was expected the profile to be a bit lower than the DCS -- it doesn't seem to be so. Or it's not very noticeable. Keyfeel is great. The spacebar was a bit tricky to get right, but after a few tries, it's working fine.
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Full placement of keys. Go-go potato pic! Great choice of colors, Matt and Sam, I'm loving the way it looks. I got a brown alpha set, and the Commodore kit, so I'll play around with that more when I'm home tonight. I'm going to try this set out on a tan/pearl colored keyboard and see how it looks.
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Potato pic #2 -- you'll notice here that the left Shift is sticking a bit. I think this may be a mistake on my part, so I'm going to play around with it a bit more. So far this is the ONLY key to stick (aside from the spacebar) so I think it just needs some warming up or repositioning until it work properly.

This set looks and feels sick on MX Greens. The keys feel very slightly unstable, but I think that can remedied with some plumber's tape if it starts to annoy me -- but I doubt it will. A set this awesome looking is worth a little extra work, in my opinion.

I will post more later tonight after dinner.

Sam, Matt, take a bow, you earned it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:01:53
LOL, moments later I fixed the Shift key, no issues now.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:11:17
wtb my order of caps.  Oh wait.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:13:03
Oh man. I should of ordered the plum mods.
Title: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:21:27
Now we know what Krogenar has on his desk at work. Office Space red Swingline stapler, Nortel phone, Filco 104 (formerly with black on white DS set from SP), IBM Model M.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:25:02
LOL, moments later I fixed the Shift key, no issues now.

Awesome first-owner shots.  Thanks, Krogenar!

I'm glad the original Shift keys worked for you.  I'll send you your Errata kit by regular mail instead of Priority or overnight.  Also, I am very glad that such a full box arrived safely.  You see what I mean about full.  Again, thanks for the photos and the kind words.

FYI, all color choice and other design kudos go to Matt3o.

Also, It is entirely possible that another recipient of one of our early test shipments will be able to post more photos on Monday.  At least that is what UPS tells me.  And who knows, there may be a surprise or two yet to be revealed in this thread.   :cool:

Packing party tomorrow.  Everything is here for that, and I hope to have everything out of here next week.

Cheers,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Binge on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:26:56
I am legitimately excited especially with these surprise extra mods >.< freaking freaking out right now
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:37:08
The keys look great on a full-size board.  Have to decide whether to put mine on my Rosewill or my KMAC ...

Either way, can't wait to get these tomorrow at the shipping party. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:38:03
on my Rosewill or my KMAC ...
Yes.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Glod on Fri, 03 May 2013, 17:17:39
why the f did i not get a num pad, that looks great retro style, i could have just used it on an separate keypad.

oh well

go go retro power!

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: wasabah on Fri, 03 May 2013, 17:51:30
why the f did i not get a num pad, that looks great retro style, i could have just used it on an separate keypad.
lol I had the same thought :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: bearcat on Fri, 03 May 2013, 19:12:09
Really looking forward to putting these on my split ergo; vertically mounted 1.5 units are weird in the DCS profile & should be sweet and nice as DSA.  Hopefully the brown will match the wood too ;)  Can't wait!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Pazuru on Fri, 03 May 2013, 19:17:25
was I supposed to receive a confirmation by now?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 03 May 2013, 19:39:20
Always get the numpad! You never know when you might need it.
The Filco multicam is gonna look sessy with all that brown and plum!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: phinix on Fri, 03 May 2013, 21:02:48
LOL, moments later I fixed the Shift key, no issues now.

Can we see a photo of DSA cap side by side that white you had - just to see height difference?
Also - what photo colors are closer to reality - that darker first photo or last two, brighter ones?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 03 May 2013, 21:10:12
DSA Retro: The Feel Good Set. The caps look great Krogenar, you lucky sod :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 03 May 2013, 21:48:49
DSA Retro: The Feel Good Set. The caps look great Krogenar, you lucky sod :D

Thanks, typing on them now. The larger keys (SHIFTS and Enter) are a wee bit tight on the sides. If I take my DCS profile Enter key and place it against the DSA Retro Enter, the DSA is just a little bit wider. It's not a lot, but it can make the Enter stick occasionally. Those are the only three keys that do this, as per Sam's explanation. See potato pics below.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 03 May 2013, 22:08:34
Can we see a photo of DSA cap side by side that white you had - just to see height difference?
Also - what photo colors are closer to reality - that darker first photo or last two, brighter ones?

I'll upload a better pic tomorrow. The DCS is slightly taller than the DSA, but not by much and the DCS profile has an upward tilt, whereas the DSA are all the same height. So the DSA is slightly lower, and has a single profile, but it's not off-putting at all when typing (not to me anyway). They make my MX Greens feel ... heavier, somehow? Neither of the photo colors from my horrible mobile phone camera really capture the colors. The dark ones in the beginning are too dark and the last ones are overexposed. I'll take pictures using a real camera tomorrow morning, in natural light. The colors have a nice rich feeling to them; they don't explode off the keyboard like a RA or Klaxon do. Those sets have a bold message, a Quentin Tarantino movie -- the Retro set is subtle, it's not screaming, and that's okay -- it's a Merchant Ivory production. The 'brown' keys are sort of a dark chocolate color, and I'm really glad I got the cranberry modifiers, and the green keys (Esc and Enter) end up feeling like a sprig of mint tossed onto the keyboard.

Another thing I liked about this set is that Matt and Sam added a few extra duplicate keys in alternate colors (ESC in Cranberry and Green, for example) and that means I can play around with the color scheme.

I think I have enough keys to put this set on my G80-2100, and I'm curious to see how it will look against a pearl-colored case.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 04 May 2013, 01:46:18
also if anyone wants to try, it could be funny to place all caps upside down :) you can do that with DSA.

and that's okay -- it's a Merchant Ivory production. The 'brown' keys are sort of a dark chocolate color, and I'm really glad I got the cranberry modifiers, and the

PLUM FGS! Not cranberry! Now gotta push the self destruction button on your set.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Sat, 04 May 2013, 06:40:40
also if anyone wants to try, it could be funny to place all caps upside down :) you can do that with DSA.

and that's okay -- it's a Merchant Ivory production. The 'brown' keys are sort of a dark chocolate color, and I'm really glad I got the cranberry modifiers, and the

PLUM FGS! Not cranberry! Now gotta push the self destruction button on your set.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 04 May 2013, 09:29:13
So are we calling this set Cranberry and Nutella now?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 04 May 2013, 09:32:15
So are we calling this set Cranberry and Nutella now?

We are NOT. :mad:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Sat, 04 May 2013, 09:49:54
Cranberry is the new Nuclear Data set. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 04 May 2013, 09:59:11
So my next task this morning is to prioritize Retro DSA shipping -- deciding who gets keycaps sent today, and who might be waiting a tad longer.

So no joking about berries OR Nuclear Data!  And get off my LAN, you kids!

(Seriously, though, I have to admit Nutella is a pretty good color match for Retro DSA.)

But I officially object to these references.  Retro DSA is officially Brown and Plum.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
Callooh! Callay!
Retro DSA is shipping today!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Sai on Sat, 04 May 2013, 10:12:42

(Seriously, though, I have to admit Nutella is a pretty good color match for Retro DSA.)


can you post a picture with Nutella next to Retro DSA set? :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 04 May 2013, 10:19:28
next one who reference to nutella or cranberry does not receive the set :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Sai on Sat, 04 May 2013, 10:28:30
next one who reference to nutella or cranberry does not receive the set :P

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Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Sat, 04 May 2013, 11:10:35
I'm glad the original Shift keys worked for you.  I'll send you your Errata kit by regular mail instead of Priority or overnight.  Also, I am very glad that such a full box arrived safely.  You see what I mean about full.  Again, thanks for the photos and the kind words.

Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!

More pics, in natural lighting:

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jabar on Sat, 04 May 2013, 11:17:06
I'm really surprised that Retro DSA finished before the Phantom R2 arrived... as such, in no hurry to get my keycaps since I only have the 7bit plate.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 04 May 2013, 11:27:32
Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!

Do you think you could "shave" a bit off the edge(s) to make them work? I mean, since you have replacements coming anyway...

For science!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Pazuru on Sat, 04 May 2013, 11:34:55
was I supposed to receive a confirmation by now?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Sat, 04 May 2013, 12:17:38
Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!

Do you think you could "shave" a bit off the edge(s) to make them work? I mean, since you have replacements coming anyway...

For science!

Sure! After I get my replacements! The difference seems to be a little less than the thickness of one of the keycap walls, so if you shaved it equally on the sides it might work. The set still looks awesome, even with a different Shift and Enter key. Here's how it look son a G80-2100. I would need a 7-unit spacebar (any with an extra, let me know!) and there's no way I'm going to find the ba-donka-donk Enter key that would be needed, but it still looks and types great.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: esoomenona on Sat, 04 May 2013, 13:05:53
Dude, that was almost perfect! We need big ass enter DSA caps. Gogogogogo
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Sat, 04 May 2013, 13:13:47
Dude, that was almost perfect! We need big ass enter DSA caps. Gogogogogo

I don't know if they're even available in that size. Plus, how many people would need it? At any rate, the color of badonka-donk Enter key fits with the set. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 04 May 2013, 13:37:18
Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!

Do you think you could "shave" a bit off the edge(s) to make them work? I mean, since you have replacements coming anyway...

For science!

Sure! After I get my replacements! The difference seems to be a little less than the thickness of one of the keycap walls, so if you shaved it equally on the sides it might work. The set still looks awesome, even with a different Shift and Enter key. Here's how it look son a G80-2100. I would need a 7-unit spacebar (any with an extra, let me know!) and there's no way I'm going to find the ba-donka-donk Enter key that would be needed, but it still looks and types great.



that board looks amazing
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Sat, 04 May 2013, 14:51:52
that board looks amazing

Thanks! I like the big layouts.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 04 May 2013, 15:06:39
KMAC time, baby.

(http://i.imgur.com/e67fk76.jpg)

Note for fellow KMAC owners: the corrected right shift was a bit snug. I shaved off a tiny bit of material with a metal file and it fits great now.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: SmallFry on Sat, 04 May 2013, 15:08:35
Aw HELL yeah!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 04 May 2013, 15:08:55
was I supposed to receive a confirmation by now?

A confirmation for what?

They're packing these today.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 04 May 2013, 15:10:38
that board looks amazing

Thanks! I like the big layouts.

I really like it with the mis-matched enter key too, looks alot more authentic than if it all matched :P ...but yeah that's really one of the best looking boards I've seen :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: DamienG on Sun, 05 May 2013, 00:18:06
Here is my DAS 3 temporarily supporting my DSA sets from today until my Phantom arrives.

[attach=1]

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: DamienG on Sun, 05 May 2013, 00:20:56
If there is a follow-up to this group-buy with more DSA keys I would thoroughly recommend we pay for a 6.25" spacebar DCS mold with the extra mounting points to match the DSA and make it universal.

Would also love to see DSA ISO enter but that's less likely to get as much attention, plus a 00, 1xFN, 1xTAB for numeric keypads.

Feels great to type on.

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: daerid on Sun, 05 May 2013, 00:47:08
So jelly of this group buy.

All I want right now is a DSA set of Topre caps (never gonna f**kin happen, I know... but a guy can dream, right?)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (production finished!)
Post by: Krogenar on Sun, 05 May 2013, 06:28:37
Here is my DAS 3 temporarily supporting my DSA sets from today until my Phantom arrives.

(Attachment Link)

[)amien

Nice mix of Commodore kit in there too!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 06 May 2013, 13:16:09
Shipping Update:

I now have a box that will fit more keycaps for not much more money (at least to the US.)  I am shipping ONE of these today as a test.

Also, I am shipping the ENTIRE pile of New Zealand order as a test of Stamps.com-generated customs paperwork.

Both the US and NZ members should have received a shipment notice from Stamps.com about an hour ago.

If both leave the building without problem, I will ship more orders, probably country by country to keep me sane while generating Customs paperwork.

Also, it is possible that I can consolidate the '2 small boxes' orders into a single box for about the same shipping cost.  That seems safer, so I will investigate that as a possibility.

FYI,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: xavierblak on Mon, 06 May 2013, 13:35:52
Just got my notification a few minutes ago. I guess it takes an hour or so for processing. I'm going to have to finish my ergo dox now so my keys have a place to live.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 06 May 2013, 13:37:44
Hey, mine are out for delivery!


Too bad I'm not there to open them. I should have a nice surprise after finals. Phantom PCB, DSA Retro, Lysols Russian + Hangul, and a couple other things!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: boost on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:01:21
Mine is out for delivery also :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:04:56
Mine is not.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:11:40
I received my "Errata" modifiers today, going to try them out when I get home.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:28:04
Mmmm, yummy Cranberry and Nutella set!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:32:38
Mmmm, yummy Cranberry and Nutella set!

But we'll probably never see ours because the box is too big.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:45:00
Mmmm, yummy Cranberry and Nutella set!

Trying to give poor Matt a complex, are we? I heartily approve.

(http://peoplecleaner.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Cranberry.jpg)



Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: salmo on Mon, 06 May 2013, 22:09:25
I just got mine when I got home (advantage of living in Memphis: Fedex also means fast USPS service).  It looks gorgeous on my caseless Phantom here.  I'm really having a blast typing on them.

Thanks so much for this excellent groupbuy.  I think you guys have spoiled me for the future.  Just excited to see what you offer up next.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Sai on Mon, 06 May 2013, 22:14:02
I just got mine when I got home (advantage of living in Memphis: Fedex also means fast USPS service).  It looks gorgeous on my caseless Phantom here.  I'm really having a blast typing on them.

Thanks so much for this excellent groupbuy.  I think you guys have spoiled me for the future.  Just excited to see what you offer up next.

Post pictures please. I'll just have to droll US guys get them before its my turn. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: salmo on Mon, 06 May 2013, 22:26:13
Sure (sorry for the phone quality):
(http://i.imgur.com/2PemjSs.jpg)

Oh and yeah, I flipped the X and Z when I was messing with the stabilizer on my left shift, it has been fixed post-pic.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Sai on Mon, 06 May 2013, 22:37:13
That is a Beauty.  :))
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Mon, 06 May 2013, 23:01:11
no shipment notice yet, still have to wait longer ~~
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: ishtob on Mon, 06 May 2013, 23:02:50
any extra sets?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 06 May 2013, 23:21:48
So jelly of this group buy.

All I want right now is a DSA set of Topre caps (never gonna f**kin happen, I know... but a guy can dream, right?)

The Hi-Pro they introduced is reminiscent of the SA profile caps.  If I recall, it's a spherical design with variable amgles per row.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: daerid on Mon, 06 May 2013, 23:39:25
True, but I want true DSA (the low profile ones). Unless I come into a metric ton of cash for a custom set, prolly not happenin
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 07 May 2013, 00:59:44
If anyone got a kit2 (coffee mods) I would like to talk to you.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 07 May 2013, 01:46:15
I want to see a full brown + retro kit! c'mon who's the first?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: codyeatworld on Tue, 07 May 2013, 01:51:57
No notification yet. I guess my order did not fit in its box? I see people on the east coast receiving theirs  :'(

Both the US and NZ members should have received a shipment notice from Stamps.com about an hour ago.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 07 May 2013, 01:55:48
Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!

Do you think you could "shave" a bit off the edge(s) to make them work? I mean, since you have replacements coming anyway...

For science!

Sure! After I get my replacements! The difference seems to be a little less than the thickness of one of the keycap walls, so if you shaved it equally on the sides it might work. The set still looks awesome, even with a different Shift and Enter key. Here's how it look son a G80-2100. I would need a 7-unit spacebar (any with an extra, let me know!) and there's no way I'm going to find the ba-donka-donk Enter key that would be needed, but it still looks and types great.


That right there is a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 07 May 2013, 06:53:53
I want to see a full brown + retro kit! c'mon who's the first?
Yeah... That's what I wanted to do, but I guess I didn't order kit2...   :'(
*crossing fingers
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 07 May 2013, 07:01:41
I want to see a full brown + retro kit! c'mon who's the first?
Yeah... That's what I wanted to do, but I guess I didn't order kit2...   :'(
*crossing fingers

I don't think you've got kit2
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: wasabah on Tue, 07 May 2013, 07:13:02
I wish I had ordered the numpad kit.
Where can I pick it up afterwards?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 08:10:50
I want to see a full brown + retro kit! c'mon who's the first?

I'm on it, LOL.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 09:16:36
Oh, and I got the 'errata' mods yesterday, and they work great -- perfect fit.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: ThomStar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 10:34:01
Shipping Update:

I now have a box that will fit more keycaps for not much more money (at least to the US.)  I am shipping ONE of these today as a test.

Also, I am shipping the ENTIRE pile of New Zealand order as a test of Stamps.com-generated customs paperwork.

Both the US and NZ members should have received a shipment notice from Stamps.com about an hour ago.


Should all US members have received a notification?  Or does it depend on that new box?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: megnin on Tue, 07 May 2013, 10:55:42
why the f did i not get a num pad, that looks great retro style, i could have just used it on an separate keypad.

oh well

go go retro power!



+1  Oh, putting this set on a tenkeyless and the num pad kit on a separate keypad it a GREAT idea.  Thanks, Glod.  I hope you are able to get a num pad kit from left overs or someone who got one and doesn't need it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: DamienG on Tue, 07 May 2013, 11:00:35
No notification yet. I guess my order did not fit in its box? I see people on the east coast receiving theirs  :'(
You're in San Jose, you could have had yours Saturday :p

It seemed to me that it you ordered 2 Alpha or 2 TKL then it wasn't going to fit in a small.

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Binge on Tue, 07 May 2013, 11:41:57
***waits for box too small notification***
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: codyeatworld on Tue, 07 May 2013, 11:57:12
No notification yet. I guess my order did not fit in its box? I see people on the east coast receiving theirs  :'(
You're in San Jose, you could have had yours Saturday :p

It seemed to me that it you ordered 2 Alpha or 2 TKL then it wasn't going to fit in a small.

[)amien

I know!! :(
I was planning on going, I was even ready to go actually, but things happened and I had to watch my daughter.

Yeah I ordered kit 1 and 3, I wouldof happily paid for a bigger box if I known.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: mashby on Tue, 07 May 2013, 12:03:23
Just got my shipping notification!

(http://i.imgur.com/F5iFK.gif)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Binge on Tue, 07 May 2013, 12:43:34
Just got my shipping notification!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/F5iFK.gif)


We are BROTHERS in this glorious event!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g77cWfQF1qihztbo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 07 May 2013, 13:22:56
Post more pictures!

We want to see your keyboards in retro glory!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 07 May 2013, 13:30:23
Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:04:51
Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?

If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping  >:D.

Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box.  Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time.  Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.

FYI,

 - Ron

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:13:24
I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.

 :D

It's going to happen, just wait.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:22:35
Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?

If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping  >:D.

Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box.  Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time.  Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.

FYI,

 - Ron

Still not seeing anything for my massive box.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:33:19
Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?

If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping  >:D.

Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box.  Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time.  Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.

FYI,

 - Ron

Still not seeing anything for my massive box.

It had to be forklifted into a semi trailer.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:39:42
Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?

If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping  >:D.

Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box.  Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time.  Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.

FYI,

 - Ron

Still not seeing anything for my massive box.

It had to be forklifted into a semi trailer.

Freight charge ftl :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:40:57
Should have it air dropped by parachute to within a 5 mile radius.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:41:43
I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.

 :D

It's going to happen, just wait.

Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: megnin on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:51:08
why the f did i not get a num pad, that looks great retro style, i could have just used it on an separate keypad.

oh well

go go retro power!



+1  Oh, putting this set on a tenkeyless and the num pad kit on a separate keypad it a GREAT idea.  Thanks, Glod.  I hope you are able to get a num pad kit from left overs or someone who got one and doesn't need it.

Sadly, the Filco FKB22MB num pad has a 1x "0 Ins" and a 1x "00" instead of a single 2x "0 Ins" key and there is no "00" key in any of the kits.  I guess that's what the relegendable caps are for.

And, I need a Kit 7 for the 1x "Tab" and 1x "Backspace".

Are there any left over Kit 7s?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Bullveyr on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:52:03
I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.

 :D

It's going to happen, just wait.

Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Maybe one is a "Z".
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:54:46
I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.

 :D

It's going to happen, just wait.

Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Maybe one is a "Z".

;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: megnin on Tue, 07 May 2013, 14:58:23
I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.

 :D

It's going to happen, just wait.

Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Maybe one is a "Z".

;)
Who has two "Z's"?  ;)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Tue, 07 May 2013, 15:03:22
I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.

 :D

It's going to happen, just wait.

Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Maybe one is a "Z".

;)
Who has two "Z's"?  ;)

WTT: My "N" for your "Z" You pay shipping.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: DamienG on Tue, 07 May 2013, 15:11:47
Or I got four left arrows. Which way does my O go. I have an extra minus but no I ;-)

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 07 May 2013, 16:11:03
Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?

If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping  >:D.

Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box.  Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time.  Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.

FYI,

 - Ron

I didn't get anything.  Mine was a medium box so by my understanding that should have gone out with the first batch.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: bearcat on Tue, 07 May 2013, 16:36:35
I didn't get anything.  Mine was a medium box so by my understanding that should have gone out with the first batch.

Likewise?  Although my order was two small boxes.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: megnin on Tue, 07 May 2013, 16:42:08
I thought I'd put them on a white keyboard to see how they look:
(http://www.megnin.com/images/keyboards/dsa01.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 07 May 2013, 16:46:15
Not bad not bad.  I think these keys were made for a dark case though.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 07 May 2013, 16:48:15
Nah, they were made for a BEIGE case...

(http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/gallery/commodore64-recreated/c64_10.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: megnin on Tue, 07 May 2013, 16:49:49
LOL, I think they look pretty good on all three.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: phinix on Tue, 07 May 2013, 17:40:08
Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?

If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping  >:D.

Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box.  Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time.  Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.

FYI,

 - Ron

Still not seeing anything for my massive box.

 :'(
I hope it will be sorted soon.
Was it middle size?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Tue, 07 May 2013, 17:41:08
Just got my shipping notification!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/F5iFK.gif)


We are BROTHERS in this glorious event!

Show Image
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g77cWfQF1qihztbo1_400.gif)

haha
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 07 May 2013, 17:56:37
I didn't get anything.  Mine was a medium box so by my understanding that should have gone out with the first batch.

Likewise?  Although my order was two small boxes.

I shall check on these for tomorrow's post.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  Seriously, the Z/N thing is a possibility.  So is 9/6.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Loligagger on Tue, 07 May 2013, 18:21:23
Any milk bag land orders ship yet?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 07 May 2013, 18:26:20
Any milk bag land orders ship yet?

Milk bag land? Hah. I remember growing up in Manitoba, we used plastic jugs, none of this bag crap like here in ON.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 07 May 2013, 19:00:10
Any milk bag land orders ship yet?

Milk bag land? Hah. I remember growing up in Manitoba, we used plastic jugs, none of this bag crap like here in ON.
During one year of my middle school years, they tried to milk bag us. It only lasted that year.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 07 May 2013, 19:06:45
Any milk bag land orders ship yet?

Milk bag land? Hah. I remember growing up in Manitoba, we used plastic jugs, none of this bag crap like here in ON.
During one year of my middle school years, they tried to milk bag us. It only lasted that year.

I remember milk bags, it was around 2000 right? We even had a special container so that you could pour out of the bag easier.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Tranquilite on Tue, 07 May 2013, 19:21:46
I didn't get anything.  Mine was a medium box so by my understanding that should have gone out with the first batch.
Same for me. Also a medium box.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 07 May 2013, 19:37:51
It was almost exactly around that time, Beast. '98 or so for the year we had them.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: salmo on Tue, 07 May 2013, 21:28:10
I moved from TX to ON when I was like 13.  I'll never forget trying to pour milk from the bag into the special pitcher and getting the kitchen covered in milk.  When I realized you were supposed to drop the bag in and snip the corner of it, I felt very very stupid.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:18:49
When I realized you were supposed to drop the bag in and snip the corner of it, I felt very very stupid.

That's life in general.  Through mistakes you acquire vital knowledge  8) .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: palindrome on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:41:14
Here it is on my Poker.

(http://i.imgur.com/2nNtqAe.jpg)

This has been an excellent GB.  Thanks to everyone who contributed to make this a smooth and easy process.  Looking forward to the next one!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:55:36
DSA, you so fine!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Lunartuna on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:07:33
Man if I knew this set was going to turn out so nice looking on compact boards I would have probably went in on it.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: alixinhzai on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:08:07
no shipping notice :( no tracking :(
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:32:14
Here it is on my Poker.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2nNtqAe.jpg)


This has been an excellent GB.  Thanks to everyone who contributed to make this a smooth and easy process.  Looking forward to the next one!

Oooohhhhh that looks nice.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 08 May 2013, 02:48:39
no shipping notice :( no tracking :(

That's Okay because I never get one  :-[ .
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 08 May 2013, 05:13:55
Is techkeys getting this too?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 08 May 2013, 09:09:55
OK, you all remember when I posted (on GH and DT) that I needed until Thursday to get everything out, and to WAIT until 17:00 PDT Thursday before asking me where your shipping notice was?

Also, If I hadn't gotten it shipped by the close of business last night, there is no reason to believe that I would have done so overnight.

So, if you have sent me one or more messages in the past 48 hours, please don't send me any more until 17:01 PDT on Thursday.  And if you followed instructions and didn't send me a premature message, well, good for you!

The keycaps are sitting in a secure office, with a security system, motion detectors, video cameras and a giant GEEKHACK banner.  Nobody is going to mess with them.  I'm not going anywhere, and the keycaps are in my way and I want to ship them as much or more than you want to get them.

TL;DR:  Please wait until Thursday at 17:01 PDT before sending me any more shipment inquiries.

Thanks and have a nice day.  And then another.  :D

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: codymaust on Wed, 08 May 2013, 12:37:56
Got mine today, thanks so much Ron and Matt3o!  :D

Now I just have to figure out what to put them on ~___~

Doesn't look as great as I had hoped on my grey QFR, but I couldn't resist! :p
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 08 May 2013, 12:43:36
Got mine today, thanks so much Ron and Matt3o!  :D

Now I just have to figure out what to put them on ~___~

Doesn't look as great as I had hoped on my grey QFR, but I couldn't resist! :p

Photos, please!!!  :) Good to get an idea what these look like with different backgrounds.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 08 May 2013, 13:21:10
Am I too late to order a set?  The order form in the OP doesn't seem to work.  Also will these work on my Filco Majestouch-2 Ninja with Cherry MX blue switches?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 08 May 2013, 13:28:12
Sir, I believe you must have a Korean Topre keyboard, but don't worry. They come at the cheap price of $1,000 a piece.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 08 May 2013, 14:50:05
no, this set has been specifically tailored for a symbolics space cadet.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: codymaust on Wed, 08 May 2013, 14:52:10
Got mine today, thanks so much Ron and Matt3o!  :D

Now I just have to figure out what to put them on ~___~

Doesn't look as great as I had hoped on my grey QFR, but I couldn't resist! :p

Photos, please!!!  :) Good to get an idea what these look like with different backgrounds.
Sorry for the extremely low quality haha

[attach=1]

The green (ESC/RETURN) keys are definite no-go with the grey case.. I'll get a picture later
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 08 May 2013, 14:52:49
can i mix this set with a klaxon affiliated set?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 14:54:55
can i mix this set with a klaxon affiliated set?

You're much too busy to be talking about klaxon.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 08 May 2013, 14:56:46
I MUST KNOW IMMEDIATELY
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 May 2013, 14:57:19
OCM. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: codyeatworld on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:00:02
Got mine today, just need the correct spacebar!

Anyways I love the set so far and here it is on my GH60:

(http://i.imgur.com/S3nrpMW.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:02:22
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o151/artofdrowning666/Keyboard%20stuffs/IMG_20130508_155908.jpg)

Ok Ok, who's on the wall of shame for sending me a DCS space???? :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:04:26
Super jelly!  Congrats everyone who's using the caps already.

Hope I can get a set for myself someday.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:05:57
I MUST KNOW IMMEDIATELY

OCM. Just sayin'.

First, multiquote is baller

Second, OCM is coming in June and will probably do DSA Klaxon (or Klaxon Part 2: Eclectic Klaxaroo) in the later part of the year
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: codymaust on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:09:08
Kicking myself for not ordering the brown mods... The all brown really looks good
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:36:19
Today's postal update.

I got as many international shipments out the door as I could, along with some larger US ones that had not been shipped yet.  Everyone who got a shipment should have gotten a shipping advisory from either PayPal or Stamps.com

NOTE:  PayPal was most insistent that I ship non-US packages to the address PayPal has on file.  This was mostly the same as the addresses I had on file, but there were a few members in Korea where PayPal "corrected" the address.

Also, PayPal sent shipping notices to your PayPal e-mail address, so look there first.

[edit]
If you had a US order that was supposed to go into 2 small boxes, I may have shipped it in a single, larger non-flat rate box.  This was a better, safer option.
[/edit]

I have read all of the notes re missing/switched keycaps, and I will try to get those out tomorrow.  If you have a swapped pair that could possibly be a rotation issue (e.g. 6 for 9 or Z for N) please verify that the problem exists when the sprue is facing you.  (The wiseacre with all left-arrows was joking.)  Please re-confirm that the error was made by SP, so I can chase it back to them.

I think that is about it.  I do not think I will get these all out by Friday, but I will get out as many as I can and publish a list of those that I cannot.  The task slowing me down is generating customs paperwork and shipping labels, especially via PayPal.

TL;DR Shipped a bunch more today, including non-US orders. I do not think they will all go out by Friday, but status updates will.

FYI to all, and to all a good afternoon!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:39:26
Got the notice!! Yay, thank you samwisekoi!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:49:41
How do you confuse a 6 with a 9?  The tops of the key have very different symbols that indicate position /mistersrs
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:54:33
How do you confuse a 6 with a 9?  The tops of the key have very different symbols that indicate position /mistersrs

On the numpad they are just the numerals.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:55:27
How do you confuse a 6 with a 9?  The tops of the key have very different symbols that indicate position /mistersrs

That and SP breaks the key off the mold in the front.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: bearcat on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:16:35
TL;DR Shipped a bunch more today, including non-US orders. I do not think they will all go out by Friday, but status updates will.[/color]

FYI to all, and to all a good afternoon!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Thanks a bunch Ron!  You're a mensch!  Eagerly awaiting my shipment notification :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:38:31
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o151/artofdrowning666/IMG_20130508_155908.jpg) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/artofdrowning666/media/IMG_20130508_155908.jpg.html)

now finally someone with some taste! :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:39:16
I seriously can't believe I didn't order the Brown TKL set... It looks so delicious.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:42:33
I've told you guys, this set was meant to be all brown.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:46:30
And now brown mods will be rare and in-demand!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:47:21
I've told you guys, this set was meant to be all brown.

Exactly. I just never saw the appeal of the plum mods. Different strokes I guess.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:56:23
cranberry and chocolate ftw
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:57:59
cranberry and nutella ftw

FTFY.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:59:59
Raspberry and chocolate.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:00:55
Just ordered a Hakko FX-888D.  Seems like a solid machine, despite looking a bit like a toy.

SHAMELESS SELF-PLUG:


High quality soldering gear available here at a bargain price ;) (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43174.0)

^

cranberry and nutella ftw

FTFY.

Yes, I quite agree.  Logical Spock is logical
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:07:38
Kicking myself for not ordering the brown mods... The all brown really looks good
Same here!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: khaangaaroo on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:12:42
I've told you guys, this set was meant to be all brown.

Exactly. I just never saw the appeal of the plum mods. Different strokes I guess.

Seriously. I didn't understand why so many people were ordering plum mods. O well, I'm glad I spent the extra for my browns. Woulda been nice if we had gotten them to the next pricing tier though.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:16:04
Seriously. I didn't understand why so many people were ordering plum mods. O well, I'm glad I spent the extra for my browns. Woulda been nice if we had gotten them to the next pricing tier though.

Different strokes!

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:19:07
There is always something to be said for a nice contrast. But sometimes, uniformity can be just as nice or even better.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: wasabah on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:20:09
Wanna see an Ergodox with these awesome keycaps!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: khaangaaroo on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:23:02
Just curious, what was the final number for brown vs plum mod orders?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: regack on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:31:05
Woohoo! mine showed up!  Thanks again Matt3o and Samwisekoi (and all the weekend packagers (and anyone else I've left out)).
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: DamienG on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:32:53
Just curious, what was the final number for brown vs plum mod orders?
Sam and Matt probably have actual numbers but it looked like 3 plum to each brown TKL.

[)amien
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:50:08
They're heeeeere... and rather strange to type on.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:55:57
More pictures plzzz...
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:57:35
They're heeeeere... and rather strange to type on.

How so? I've been wondering how they would feel / sound. 
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:16:25
How so? I've been wondering how they would feel / sound. 

They make it feel like the keyboard is even more angled (and I use my Filco "flat").  The sound is really no different than any other ABS DS set I've done on this board.  Maybe the cap clack is somewhat lessened by the skirt being smaller, but I wouldn't be able to hear it.

The bowl shape of the caps made me trim my nails.  They were in need of it, but this really brought the issue to the front.  Resting feel is nifty since they hold your finger tips.  I am not using the scoops because I don't like differently feeling caps, I don't use the same finger for 1 particular letter in my typing style.  My Filco is a little left shifted so Caps/shift/Ctrl stick on that side.  Need to open the board and see if I can get .25-.5mm.

The tops of the caps are the lowest possible, so if you compare all the DSA rows it's similar to Cherry/SP ASDF row in height.  Makes the F-row look recessed in this case.

It would seem that I don't particularly need the whole sculpted rows thing that many people notice as missing right off the bat.


^^^ So there is my crazy stream of conscious review.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:33:26
Neat!  I wish there were a "sampling" table where one could try out different caps and type on them for a few minutes to get a feel and find favorites.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Noko on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:44:12
Hah, I am so happy now I bought both mod sets :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 08 May 2013, 19:08:32
Hah, I am so happy now I bought both mod sets :)

We tried, really we tried to get people to buy brown mods.  And now the problem is going to be that there will be fewer extra brown mod kits in the channels as well.

Unless the guy who placed the order with SP really liked the brown mods.  Who knows?  There might be a secret stash somewhere...

But, back to shipping the items people actually ordered and paid for.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 08 May 2013, 19:36:19
I'd be all over any secret stashes... anything left over to outfit my full-sized keyboard.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: khaangaaroo on Wed, 08 May 2013, 19:54:47
I think what swayed people to buy more plum was the sexy rendering of the brown/plum combination in post#1 :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:16:08
that and cranberry + nutella > just nutella
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:24:25
that and cranberry + nutella > just nutella

Nutella only, okthanxkbye:




Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:26:18
Another angle on nutella-only DSA set:

Personally, it's okay, but I think the cran- er, plum and green make it a lot better. :D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:28:28
Here it is again, with as many colors as I can cram onto it:
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: fydo on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:34:24
Personally, it's okay, but I think the cran- er, plum and green make it a lot better. :D

Nice! Those look great. I agree that it looks better with the plum on a full sized keyboard. There's something about that all-brown Poker though... *drool*
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Sai on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:34:46
techkeys time.  ;D
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:53:17
Another angle on nutella-only DSA set:

Personally, it's okay, but I think the cran- er, plum and green make it a lot better. :D

Totally agree.  Your Duck certainly looks fine in all it's plumage, courtesy of Matt3o and Sam.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: codyeatworld on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:59:41
I'm really enjoying typing on them so far, especially the deep dishes!

Heres another pic :)
(http://i.imgur.com/LAwl3zj.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: salmo on Wed, 08 May 2013, 21:27:39
I'm really enjoying typing on them so far, especially the deep dishes!
I have to say that the deep dishes are so good they make me feel dirty.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Larken on Wed, 08 May 2013, 21:59:42
full nutella looks real classy.

got my shipping notification. hats off to samwisekoi and matt3o for this gb, its has been a pleasant experience from beginning to end.

now to wait for the mailman to bring me my goodies. :D



Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jabar on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:20:57
Got mine today! Have yet to check all the keycaps since I have to look up what came with the sets I ordered. Unfortunately, still no Phantom PCB or plate yet to start working on my future 7Bit Retro DSA board!!

All Coffee... erm, Nutella.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:06:40
Mine is in! You are all wonderful. :)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: vorn on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:57:38
I've always thought this was a good idea, and looking at these comments I think I'm gonna have to try it.... a board of deep dish blanks! Needs to happen!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 09 May 2013, 02:17:18
kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3

again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 09 May 2013, 02:25:45
kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3

again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit

I will probably get the other kits once they become available. I'm enjoying the pictures while I wait, so keep them coming.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Thu, 09 May 2013, 02:39:02
kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3

again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit

That's the setup I intended on having. I'll post pics when I swap over.

Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 09 May 2013, 02:43:56
kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3

again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit

That's the setup I intended on having. I'll post pics when I swap over.

remember the RUN/STOP and RESTORE keys :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Thu, 09 May 2013, 02:49:44
kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3

again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit

That's the setup I intended on having. I'll post pics when I swap over.

remember the RUN/STOP and RESTORE keys :P

My ocd wouldn't let me do it any other way! All I need is the correct space bar and I'll feel MUCH better!
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: phinix on Thu, 09 May 2013, 07:28:56
After seeing those full chocolate sets I wish I had ordered kit 2 with chocolate modifiers.... :rolleyes:
I love plum tkl but those full chocolate keyboard looks soooo sweeet:)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: ishtob on Thu, 09 May 2013, 09:36:10
anyone has got an extra misc mod? i'm specifically looking for the 1.5x backspace key
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: khaangaaroo on Thu, 09 May 2013, 10:16:43
(http://i.imgur.com/CYAVNrj.jpg)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 09 May 2013, 10:17:44
That set really sets off the "wood grain" look. Did you do something more to it, like paint or stain to highlight it as well?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: khaangaaroo on Thu, 09 May 2013, 10:20:30
Nope, bare QFR plastic. It's a little less shiny indoors than it is in that outdoor photo.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: khaangaaroo on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:17:22
Looks pretty good with a stock gray case too.

(http://i.imgur.com/IakdMOZ.jpg)

BTW, What's with one "return" key being slightly bigger than the other?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:27:13
Looks pretty good with a stock gray case too.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IakdMOZ.jpg)


BTW, What's with one "return" key being slightly bigger than the other?

This:  http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.msg877971#msg877971

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:31:08
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CYAVNrj.jpg)


The casing does look like it's wood grain!  Didn't realize the black QFR has that texture--it's pretty cool.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:40:11
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CYAVNrj.jpg)


I don't like the function row ~~
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:42:11
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CYAVNrj.jpg)


The casing does look like it's wood grain!  Didn't realize the black QFR has that texture--it's pretty cool.

That's a custom job that he did with some wirebrushes I think. Stock QFR case texture isn't like that.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Binge on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:46:34
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! My fiance got my package and now she thinks we're poor because I bought this!  She doesn't believe me that I bought it months ago!!

Little does she know that I'll be surprising her with a gift :3  Little do I like sleeping on the couch tho :(

[attach=1]
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: khaangaaroo on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:48:36
This:  http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.msg877971#msg877971

Ah excellent job. I didn't realize they were different until the larger one started rubbing up against the adjacent key. I'm really glad that was resolved during production :)



The casing does look like it's wood grain!  Didn't realize the black QFR has that texture--it's pretty cool.

The QFR case doesn't come stock like that. But you can do it to pretty much any plastic case: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41445.0
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:49:43
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CYAVNrj.jpg)


The casing does look like it's wood grain!  Didn't realize the black QFR has that texture--it's pretty cool.

That's a custom job that he did with some wirebrushes I think. Stock QFR case texture isn't like that.

Nope, bare QFR plastic. It's a little less shiny indoors than it is in that outdoor photo.

Well, then that reply was misleading!  He said it was the stock case as seen outside, which implied no modifications =/
---

ETA: that's a good idea with brushing the casing!  I'm going to have to Plasti-dip my Storm Trigger, as it doesn't come with the nice uniform black plastic.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: khaangaaroo on Thu, 09 May 2013, 11:58:08
haha I never said "stock" in that post. I said "bare plastic," meaning no paint or finishes. Sorry for the confusion :P
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: GeorgeK on Thu, 09 May 2013, 12:24:09
Looks pretty good with a stock gray case too.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IakdMOZ.jpg)


BTW, What's with one "return" key being slightly bigger than the other?

If you read back through the thread a bit you'll see a post from Samwisekoi where he explains that the mold was wrong but he and SP fixed it and sorted replacements
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: funkymeeba on Thu, 09 May 2013, 14:18:47
Okay, uh. I may have a problem, and I hope it's not because I was stupid.

I had ordered a 6.25 DCS universal space bar (my e-mail confirmation says this as well), as I am putting these caps on a Leopold FC200R. I seem to have a 6.25 DSA spacebar that does not fit my keyboard, unfortunately. What should I do?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 09 May 2013, 14:19:46
What is it that doesn't fit?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 09 May 2013, 14:22:48
OK, mid-day update.  Another pile of boxes hit USPS today.  This afternoon I'll do an inventory of orders left to ship.

I am going to go pull and ship replacement keycaps to the following people:

prdlm2009
   regular T
   stepped Caps Lock key (plum)

hellocodes
   7x spacebar

Hilo59
   6.25 DSA spacebar
   qty 2 tkl plum
   qty 1 plum errata

Turbo Slaab
   DSA 6.25 spacebar

funkymeeba
   6.25 DCS universal spacebar

Those do not include the N/Z and 9/6 keycaps unless I get a positive confirmation that you were actually serious and you checked with the sprues pointing at you.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Glod on Thu, 09 May 2013, 14:45:24
and you have sent notifications to all that shipped today?
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 09 May 2013, 14:54:00
and you have sent notifications to all that shipped today?

Hah.  PayPal and Stamps.com send e-mail notifications (apparently) when they jolly well feel like it.  One member got his at 3:00am this morning, 12 hours after I generated the mailing label.

So is that a yes?

I have done what I am supposed to do to accomplish that task, yes.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: kdash4 on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:05:19
Tracking says mine was delivered :) however, I will not be home until Friday.
Kind of regret not getting 7x spacebar as I now need it for my new keyboard.
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: mashby on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:08:32
I'll layout all the caps tonight when I have my Official GeekHack Laminated Key Checking and Layout Sheet (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39184.msg763351#msg763351), but it would appear everything is in order.

These keys are amazing and I think I'm in love. See for yourself...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8724380008_61e57a34d9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8724380008/)
The Box (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8724380008/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7321/8723260589_a2ab1e1932.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723260589/)
Such A Tease (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723260589/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7285/8723260865_4123d88096.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723260865/)
Peanuts (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723260865/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7399/8723261111_c265a0ece1.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261111/)
Bubble Wrap (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261111/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7349/8723261375_fec4a67a39.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261375/)
There They Are! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261375/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7394/8723261621_eb1ab2904c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261621/)
DSA Retro Delivered (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261621/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7392/8724381416_7edb955f3c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8724381416/)
She's A Beauty (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8724381416/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/8723262225_0ab5edbd32.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723262225/)
DSA Closeup (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723262225/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Glod on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:09:23
and you have sent notifications to all that shipped today?

Hah.  PayPal and Stamps.com send e-mail notifications (apparently) when they jolly well feel like it.  One member got his at 3:00am this morning, 12 hours after I generated the mailing label.

So is that a yes?

I have done what I am supposed to do to accomplish that task, yes.

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i was just curious, cool thanks for doing all that you have done and will do
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: gizzard on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:29:18
Got my set yesterday.  Amazing!!

Unfortunately I got 2x F5 and no F7. 

Thanks
Title: Re: DSA Retro Set (SHIPPING!)
Post by: Chicken Chaser on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:54:55
I threw these on my Filco last night and I needed to put tape around the costar stabilizer white things to make them stick to the modifiers. I got away with my left shift not needing it though. I also had to shave about 3-4 keys with sandpaper to avoid bumping each other (both shifts, ", /, return). I sorta wish I ordered the DSA profile spacebar since the DCS looks off. It still