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Title: GH60 Group Buy (Salvage Mode: Enabled - Update in OP)
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 21 March 2013, 02:40:01
NON-CONUS GB Participants, please read this update from BunnyLake: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg2323159#msg2323159


== == == == ==
Current status of the Group Buy (2017/06/05)
Any updates for the CONUS folks?

On the SMD parts @samwisekoi was supposed to be trying to work something out. He is still packing and moving he posted elsewhere he would try to be back online around July.

I'm on hold for the rest of my orders due to not having those SMD parts and waiting on fulfilling a couple big orders to see what is left to fulfill with and honestly quite a few people just never responded to being contacted a second time.

I got in touch with @mashby the other week and he said he is going to do his best to get back in the game sometime this month (June).

@hoffmanmyster is slowly shipping things out AFAIK, he also moved and got a new job and I'm pretty sure got a gf or wife because he sold a bunch of stuff the other day and I don't know why else anyone would do that :p


so tl;dr as is typical with this buy....things are happening in spurts....we have not given up.....

 :spam: 8)

Current status of the Group Buy (2016/03/01)
Hey guys! Before we dig into the details of this update, I first want to thank everyone for being patient while we worked on putting together a plan of action and nail down the details of how we're going to drag this group buy across the finish line. Rest assured that those volunteering and in the same boat as you. We're all waiting for our own orders as well and we want to wrap this up as fast as possible.

TL;DR
Three proxies are handling the shipment of the US and Canadian orders and you're going to have to pay for shipping again. Shipping will be a flat-rate of $15 and sent via USPS Priority Mail for US customers. Canadian order will be shipped via First-Class.



GH60 Group Buy Status
In case you haven't been keeping up with this thread, this group buy was started three years ago and it unfortunately fell apart. Details can be found within this thread, but the important point is that many volunteers have been working behind the scenes to repair this buy as much as possible and fulfill everyone's order. It's far from perfect, but we're doing our best with what we have left.

Proxy Shipping
Three volunteers are handling the shipment of the US and Candian orders. They are: mashby, HoffmanMyster and SpAmRaY. Our jobs are to handle the shipping of your order, as complete as we can make it, and to collect the funds for postage.

I Have To Pay For Shipping Again?
Yes. We would prefer that this wasn't the case, but given the status of this group buy we have no other option.

How Much Is Shipping?
$15 for US orders, which includes shipping, PayPal fees and handling charge. Canadian Customers will be sent First-Class for the exact postage + $2 handling fee.  In order to expedite your order we are shipping all US orders via USPS and using a Medium Flat-Rate box. In addition, we are including a $2 handling fee.

Why A Handling Fee?
We're trying to run this as lean as possible, but the handling fee is to offset the PayPal fees as well as incidental costs for packaging and shipping. Thankfully the boxes are free, but there are other costs to get your order to you and we don't want the proxies to lose money handling everyone's orders.

All of us will be keeping detailed records to account for all monies collected for shipping and although we don't expect their to be any, all profits will be donated to GeekHack for the operation of the forum.  For more details regarding on why GeekHack is accepting donations can be found here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73331.0).

When Do I Have To Pay For Shipping?
After the proxy has your order ready to ship. We first need to receive the goods from Samwisekoi and sort them into individual orders. This will ensure that your order is as complete as possible and that we have the goods in hand first. Once that is complete, we'll invoice you via PayPal for the shipping costs.

What About Assembly?
Assembly was being coordinated by the original leader of the group buy -- WhiteFireDragon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15168). His abandonment of the group buy is what put us in the position that we're in now.  All of the volunteers involved in this salvage process have attempted to recover what we could, but assembly is no longer available.

Your Options
1. You can choose to solder the keyboard yourself (link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42824.0))
2. Hire a professional (link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45886.0))
3. Ask someone to volunteer here in the thread.

What's The Plan?
Below is an outline of how we plan to process everyone's order. The good news is that some of these items are already completed, so we're already making progress.

1. Receive the most current spreadsheet available from Matt3o

2. Sort through the spreadsheet and send back totals for each order

3. Order Shipping Materials

4. Send Confirmation E-mail To Order Holders

5. Receive Goods From Samwisekoi & Confirm Numbers

6. Send Invoices via PayPal

7. Receive Payment & Ship

8. Wrap Up Exceptions / Problems


Next Steps
As you can see from the outline above, our next step is to send out confirmation e-mails. The purpose of this e-mail is to verify your current address and provide you with what we have as your order. We'll update the thread when these go out.

Once the confirmation phase is complete, we'll be waiting for the order to arrive from Samwisekoi. We'll keep everyone posted along the way and if you have any questions, please post them in the thread so that we can all keep track.



PAYMENT DEADLINE: 06/30/13  >countdown< (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130701T00&p0=137&msg=GH60+Payment+Deadline)


What this is about


GH60 is a community-developed keyboard designed by komar007 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4818), with the original idea by jdcarpe (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17386). This keyboard's form factor is the same size as the KBC Poker or Pure (60% size of a full keyboard, hence the name). Main feature is that it uses the ATmega32u4 controller, which allows for every key to be programmable and a possibility for a custom secondary function layer as well. This single PCB will support many variants of ANSI, ISO, and other custom layouts detailed below.


[attach=1]

[attach=2]


Plate

Plates will make your keyboard will feel more solid overall and help disperse some of the typing stress. They’re optional, but most people do prefer it. Each layout will require a different plate. HHKB and winkeyless layouts can use any ANSI or ISO plate with 1.5x modifiers. I designed these so the top switch housing is removable without desoldering, which helps with swapping switches, springs, stems, lubing, or stickering later on. All the plates offered in here are stainless steel. They can be directly dropped in to existing cases. More details on this in the next post.
 
 compatibility:

 

 Cases
 - Plastic Poker case
 - Plastic Pure case
 - Imsto aluminum tray (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35213.0)
 - Oneproduct aluminum case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=29356.0)
 - Treble aluminum tray (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=29827.0)
 - Pure’s aluminum CNC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40814.0)
 - WhiteFireDragon’s design (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0)
 - The_Beast’s design (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39787.0)
 - alixinhzai's acrylic case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40468.0)
 
 
 
 Assembly
 The PCBs will come with all SMD preassembled, including diodes. Switches and LEDs will require your own soldering. If you’re brave and want to do the SMD soldering yourself, PCB and a bag of SMT components will be cheaper. There will be options for assembly service if you cannot build it yourself.
 
 If you’re assembling it yourself, the minimum equipment you’ll need is a Weller WLC-100 (http://goo.gl/okhmk) soldering station/iron and Rosin-core solder (http://goo.gl/lyrcx) (smaller than 0.04" diameter). Although it is doable with cheap $15 irons, that’s not recommended. In addition to the PCB, you will need the following to complete the build:
   
 
 
 Costs
PCB (SMD presoldered) - $28
PCB (DIY, includes SMT components) - $15
bare PCB
(no components) - $6
Plate
- $16
Switches - $0.63
cherry stabilizers - $9
Costar stabilizers - $7
Assembly - $25


The prices listed above is a ballpark now final. PCBs could be a tad lower, depending on quantity at the end, or possibly be a few dollars higher to account for import/VAT taxes or any other unforeseen fees. Same goes with plates and switches, it really depends on how many of each are ordered.
 
 
 
 Ordering
 Deadline to submit order is Monday, 04/22/13, payment deadline is 06/30/13. You’ve been given the payment date almost 2 months in advance, so start planning your budget accordingly! ETA for all parts will be around September if there are no major delays. Switches might take a little longer if you ordered them.
 
 >ORDER FORM [CLOSED]<

Order confirmation (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AraAg2A1x5csdGhmV2xKd2h5SmZQUFFSa3ZSZ3BjWkE&usp=sharing)

>POLL< (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1unUyoHLIoy08OD-eu5l3zANaIjEw2We35CHHrZlFE_4/viewform)
poll results could affect the final PCB, plate, or features. So please vote!

>Order Changes<
 (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform)

 
Quote
Order example from this GB:
-1x GH60 PCB $30
-1x poker plate $16
-1x cherry (plate-mounted) stabilizer set, 6.25x spacbar wire $9
-63x MX red switches $38 (2 extra switch for defectives or broken pins)
-assembly service $25
 total $113

You'll still need to source the following for a complete keyboard:
-1x case
-1x USB cable
-1x keycap set

 
Logistics
 Komar designed and will have the PCBs made, I designed and will have the plates made. Jdcarpe and I will manage orders, but all of us will have access to the spreadsheets. Jdcarpe and I tjcaustin will handle US and Canada assembly and distributions, komar will assemble and distribute for EU and the rest of the world (unless you have a personal request or already have prior arrangements). Main reason is because it’s no longer cheap to ship international from the US. Switches are from 7bit. Tjcaustin will collect money and invoice.

 Misc links

 IC thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.0)
 Prototyping (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37570.0)
 Further feature development (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40514.0)
 
 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 21 March 2013, 02:40:24
Layouts and plates
 
 Here are some possible layouts, rendered with my case design and toxic green caps theme:
 
 ANSI 1.25x - Poker
[attach=13]
[attach=1]

 
 ANSI 1.25x with short R-Shift - Pure
[attach=14]
[attach=2]

 
 ANSI 1.5x - full 1.5x mod, WKL, or HHKB
[attach=15]
[attach=3] [attach=4] [attach=26]


ANSI 1.5x with short R-shift - full 1.5x mod, WKL, or "true" HHKB
[attach=24]
[attach=27] [attach=28] [attach=25]
 

 ANSI 1.5x with short R-shift and split backspace - full 1.5x mod, WKL, or "true" HHKB
[attach=33]
[attach=12] [attach=29]

 
 ISO 1.25x
[attach=16]
[attach=5]

 
 ISO 1.5x - full 1.5x mod, WKL, or HHKB
[attach=17]
[attach=6] [attach=7] [attach=30]

ISO 1.5x with short R-shift - full 1.5x mod, WKL, or HHKB
[attach=23]
[attach=31] [attach=32] [attach=8]

 
 IvanIvanovich (CANCELED)
[attach=9] 

 
 Samwisekoi
[attach=18]
[attach=11] 

 
 GH60 (max keys)
[attach=19]
[attach=10] 
 


Each of the layouts above will have their own plates (except WKL and HHKB, these just use any 1.5x plate), compatible with all 3 types of stabilizers. In addition, there will be 2 more “universal” plates available. These plates’ main feature is the support for any possible hybrid layout from above. You’ll also be able to completely change layout using the same plate, by desoldering only a few switches and shifting them over (or adding/subtracting switches) rather than desoldering all switches and installing a new plate. You’ll still be able to open up switch top covers like all the other plates. The drawback is that you must use PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers, no other stabilizers option. And although plate-mounted cherry switches should be sufficient, it’s recommended you use PCB-mounted switches for the ones that go in the larger cutout holes.
 
Universal ANSI
[attach=20]

Universal ISO
[attach=21]

Universal 10x spacebar (special order)
[attach=22]
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 21 March 2013, 02:40:46
Assembly

PCB ($30) – You’ll only need to solder switches, a single LED (included) for the capslock, and a resistor (included). Everything you need to solder is through-hole. All SMD parts are pre-soldered at the factory by a pick-and-place machine.

DIY PCB ($15)
– You’ll need to solder EVERYTHING, including all SMD and through-hole components. The SMD components are provided (controller, few capacitors, resistors, single crystal, switch, USB, and roughly 65 diodes).

Disclaimer:
Make sure you know exactly what you're getting into when getting a bare DIY kit. There is no point in saving $15 when you can’t get the board working. This is not your typical soldering of large through-hole switch pins.
Parts are very small, so it's not recommended if you've never done SMD soldering before. The crystal was near impossible to do with a fine iron tip, I used hot air to solder up all the prototype boards. If you mess up, it's very hard to desolder these parts because both ends of the pads must be desoldered at the same time. You'll either need 2 irons, hot air, chipquik, or desoldering tweezers to remove the components. Wick braid could work, but I wouldn't bank on it. So with that many components you'll have to solder, don't plan on messing up.

Make sure you're absolutely clear on what you're doing. If getting the DIY kit, here is the SMD you'll need to do before starting on the switches:






If you have a hot air station:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z7nCAxS2Rg#t=9m37s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z7nCAxS2Rg#t=9m37s)


Komar's instructions for DIY HERE (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37570.msg717519#msg717519)





Stabilizers

Costar (Filco, CM, WASDkeyboards, DAS, etc)
Cherry plate-mounted (Ducky, Leopold, etc)
Cherry PCB-mounted (Poker, Korean customs, etc)

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]



 
Programming custom layouts
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37570.msg717519#msg717519 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37570.msg717519#msg717519)


Programming the firmware (Windows)

1. download and install FLIP (http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx (http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx))
2. connect the keyboard, press the program button (S1) and wait until it enumerates
3. go to device manager, find the atmega32u4 chip and click "update driver"
4. choose location manually: folder named "usb" inside the installation directory of FLIP
5. once the driver is installed, run flip
6. Device -> Select: choose ATMega32U4
7. Settings -> Communication -> USB, FLIP should show the signature at this point (58 1E 95 87)
8. File -> Load HEX file: choose the hex firmware: ukbdc_gh60-0.1.hex (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37570.0;attach=14474)
9. click "Run"
10. after programming is done, disconnect the device from USB and connect again.


Programming the firmware (Linux)
Download and install/compile/unpack dfu-programmer from http://dfu-programmer.sourceforge.net/ (http://dfu-programmer.sourceforge.net/).
Issue the following commands in the command prompt after connecting the device and pressing the programming button (S1). You may need root permissions or udev rules to do that.
sudo dfu-programmer atmega32u4 erase
sudo dfu-programmer atmega32u4 flash ukbdc_gh60-0.1.hex
sudo dfu-programmer atmega32u4 start
where ukbdc_gh60-0.1.hex (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37570.0;attach=14474) is the firmware file.
The keyboard should start working. If it doesn't, reconnect the cable.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: calavera on Thu, 21 March 2013, 02:58:28
Now I know why you're so busy :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: L4yercake on Thu, 21 March 2013, 03:03:04
HHKB ANSI 1.5 possible? 1.5 / 1.5 / 6.25 / 1.5 / 1.5 ?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 03:16:14

Assembly service
If you want your GH60 assembled, please make sure to order all the switches you want on your board.
When we're ready to assemble we will ask you for a specification which defines which switches you want on your keyboard.
The specification can be as simple as "reds with a black under spacebar" or as complicated as a list or picture which shows which switch goes where.
Please note, that we may source the switches a bit later than we have have the boards ready, so ordering switches (no matter with or without assembly) may delay your shipment.


Building the prototype (SMD)
Please see the prototype soldering guide here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37570.msg717519#msg717519 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37570.msg717519#msg717519)
I'll also post an updated version when I get my hands on the first final boards.


Current status
Here's how the board looks now (July 9th 2013):
Top:
[attach=1]
Bottom:
[attach=2]

And here's the bug tracker: https://github.com/komar007/ghkb/issues?milestone=1&state=open (https://github.com/komar007/ghkb/issues?milestone=1&state=open)

Status updates
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg879125#msg879125 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg879125#msg879125) (June 4th 2013)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg943761#msg943761 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg943761#msg943761) (June 27th 2013)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg954327#msg954327 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg954327#msg954327) (July 9th 2013)


How to order switches
We have changed the "official" way of ordering switches.
The switches will be handled by 7bit @ deskthority (http://deskthority.net).
In order to order your switches, register an account on the deskthority (http://deskthority.net) forum and go to http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html) to see what's available and how to write messages to the bot. Please remember that the PCB-mounted switches have names ending with "/NW". For plate-mounted GH60 you need the standard switches, without that suffix.
Please take the switches available in preorder. Their prices are lower, and they will be available in September/October.
In the end of your message to the bot please include a single line containing the text: "GH60" (without the apostrophes). This will mean your switches will be sent to one of the distributors of GH60, which will allow to save on shipping. Alternatively, you can order switches in the same thread on your own, and not have them sent to us. Please remember, that you need to add GH60 if you have checked the "Assembly" option in the GH60 form, unless you want to send the switches to us on your own.


Example switch order for a GH60 poker layout with cherry mx blue on a plate to be sent to user CherryMX @ deskthority:
MXBLUEP 61
GH60
your@email_address.com


If you have ordered switches in the GH60 order form, please transfer your order to 7bit and remove your switch order from the form, using the "order changes" form.
If you leave switches in your GH60 order form, we will try to get the switches for you at the end of money collection, but we can't guarantee prices or delivery term, so your GH60 order may be prolonged.
We're sorry for the inconvenience, but it appeared that handling switches doesn't make much sense, since 7bit already has a very good system to do that, and we don't need additional overhead, having enough problems getting GH60s done.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: TDub on Thu, 21 March 2013, 03:22:39
Finally the GB arrives!! Really nice mock-ups of the layout options!!! Now comes the part where I want to order way more of them then I need....
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 21 March 2013, 03:27:46
Order submitted. Now to wait for the ghpad & WFD's combined case.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Thu, 21 March 2013, 03:49:52
I'll submit my order later depending on WFD's case progress. :D
I am waiting for your HHKB aluminium case, bro.  :p :p
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: codyeatworld on Thu, 21 March 2013, 03:51:30
I ordered two for now!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: viasacra89 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 03:59:24
Ordered two DIY and two universal ansi plates. ^_^
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 04:20:01
holy ****, its here

yayyyyyy

The price i think is fair and the universal plates are cool

ill be signing up soon! for more than one :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 21 March 2013, 04:20:32
Could you make a Pure 1.5x plate? Or would you say the Universal plates would be just as sturdy? And in that case, why not just offer those plates to help increase orders and decrease costs? (And yes, I understand the stab dilemma between the two)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 21 March 2013, 04:24:33
Question that may solve my own above: for the ISO and ANSI HHKB layouts, is there a space available for the outside 1.5x key?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Thu, 21 March 2013, 04:32:52
Just to clear it up. All EU orders will be shipped from Komar (Poland) including plates?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: remedyhalopc on Thu, 21 March 2013, 04:42:41
plates are ~$35 or what?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glissant on Thu, 21 March 2013, 05:06:14
I think it's $16
Plate - $16(taken from first post)

I'll order when I get back from work. I really need to think about which plates I want to get.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:05:01
Lookign forward! Would like to see shipping price before i commit! :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:14:18
Told you guys it would be soon....


:D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:25:01

Lookign forward! Would liek to see shipping price before i commit! :D
Shipping to EU will be from EU, most probably from me. Depending on the country and availability of tracking it will be between $8 and $18 (assuming < 1kg per package)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:26:08
Just to double check, the switches are going to be included in this GB? So I don't have to look for switches outside of the buy right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:43:44
Correct. Just go ahead and order whatever amount and type of switches you want. The more the better. We will source them for you from where we can. No guarantees AT ALL for delivery schedule, though.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:44:35
Nice job guys, looks great!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:45:15
Awww man, there goes my mental image of you, jdcarpe. I always imagined you as Spock, in a purple uniform, surrounded by mountains of boards and switches  ;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pasph on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:55:33
Please add LEDs along with switches and stabilizers
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:56:08
What switches and in what layout need to be rotated?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pasph on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:58:56
What are the options for assembly service?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jcrouse on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:59:28
In post #2, reply#1, in the first sentence below the nice pics of all the keyboards with black and lime green caps you state that "each layout above will have its own plate". What am I missing? Don't the ANSI 1.5x, ANSI WKL and HHKB ANSI layouts use the same plate?

Thanks,
John
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:00:14
What are the options for assembly service?

Depends on the ship date, but I could assemble some GH60's
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:01:49
Wheee!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:04:45
Please add LEDs along with switches and stabilizers
LEDs and resistors come in standard with the PCB, and their price is already included.
Maybe we should add that info...
What switches and in what layout need to be rotated?
We'll try to have no switches rotated at 90 degrees. Only 0 and 180.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: affect656 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:11:26
On the order form the phrasing for switches/stabilizers was a bit odd (Switches and stabilizers (in sets, each set is enough for 1 whole keyboard)). So the way I took it to mean was you would order a set of switches and stabilizers not an exact number of them, if this is incorrect I'll submit a Order Change. Also would it be possible if we order assembly to just have you keep the assembled plate until a case is bought and also ship that to you then get a fully assembled keyboard at once? Doubt many would be interested but just thought I should ask.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: badcop on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:17:39
ordered pcb and plate :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tmk1207 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:22:07
Great <3 . i'll order soon >:<
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:37:21
Is the HHKB ANSI not on the order form?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ideus on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:46:29
Are the components available to be purchased individually, or should be purchased in sets?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:48:12
Thanks for free Toxic advertising :p

Ordered three PCBs and three plates.

Will there be a stabilizers and wire group buy soon? My only worry is I don't have enough spacebar wires but I think I have enough plate mount cherry stabilizers after desoldering several WYSE boards, and will probably have one set of costar stabilizers after taking apart something else.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ishumprod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 07:57:30
do the universal ansii plate fit the Ansii wkl layout ? if yes, what's the point of having a dedicated plate for WKL ansii layout ?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: inteli722 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:04:28
do the universal ansii plate fit the Ansii wkl layout ? if yes, what's the point of having a dedicated plate for WKL ansii layout ?

Because stabilizer support.

I have absolutely no idea whether I'm ordering right now or not...I hope I do, but I want a really nice Phantom, so this might not be in the budget... :(

GLWGB (not that this needs it...It's already extremely well known throughout here.)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ishumprod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:07:47
do the universal ansii plate fit the Ansii wkl layout ? if yes, what's the point of having a dedicated plate for WKL ansii layout ?

Because stabilizer support.

I have absolutely no idea whether I'm ordering right now or not...I hope I do, but I want a really nice Phantom, so this might not be in the budget... :(

GLWGB (not that this needs it...It's already extremely well known throughout here.)

ok, but will the unversal plate allow me to go WKL ? (1.5 mod?)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: boost on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:11:07
Nice, ordered 3 :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: hoasican2004 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:11:57
wow, it's attractive, i will buy one....future ^^
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: inteli722 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:13:03
do the universal ansii plate fit the Ansii wkl layout ? if yes, what's the point of having a dedicated plate for WKL ansii layout ?

Because stabilizer support.

I have absolutely no idea whether I'm ordering right now or not...I hope I do, but I want a really nice Phantom, so this might not be in the budget... :(

GLWGB (not that this needs it...It's already extremely well known throughout here.)

ok, but will the unversal plate allow me to go WKL ? (1.5 mod?)

I believe that's the point, to allow any ANSI layout with supported switch locations.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:19:11
do the universal ansii plate fit the Ansii wkl layout ? if yes, what's the point of having a dedicated plate for WKL ansii layout ?

Because stabilizer support.

I have absolutely no idea whether I'm ordering right now or not...I hope I do, but I want a really nice Phantom, so this might not be in the budget... :(

GLWGB (not that this needs it...It's already extremely well known throughout here.)

ok, but will the unversal plate allow me to go WKL ? (1.5 mod?)

I believe that's the point, to allow any ANSI layout with supported switch locations.

Yes, this is correct. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ishumprod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:23:20


//blablabla

I believe that's the point, to allow any ANSI layout with supported switch locations.

so what's te pointop haveing dedicated ones if the universal fits them all ?

maybe i just didn't undersood anything
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cyberwave on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:32:18


//blablabla

I believe that's the point, to allow any ANSI layout with supported switch locations.

so what's te pointop haveing dedicated ones if the universal fits them all ?

maybe i just didn't undersood anything

you cant use plate mounted stabilizers on the universal ones
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mashby on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:32:54
Ordered.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: salmo on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:33:53
Man, I've been gathering stuff up for this for what feels like forever.  I'm so happy to have an order in for the board.  Outside of that all I lack is a case, which I'm debating between splurging on, or trying to do something myself.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy[
Post by: ishumprod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:40:14
so can you guys  tell me what kind of stabs are tese ?

as i didn't desolder them i suppose they are plate-mounted but i'm not sure o the brand.

also wwill they fit a ansii layout ( WKL ) ?

(http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/15/img0462ac.jpg)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: agor on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:42:31
Ordered 2. Crossing fingers for Aluminum Case!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dsan on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:51:25
Noob question -> Is there a way to see if the pcb is working without having switches soldered?I'm planning on buying all the components for the GH60 gradually,starting with case/pcb/plate and finally switches.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:23:22
Hey wow on so many levels! Thanks to all who made this so sweet and so soon!

We'll have to get Retro DSA as well as Retro Blue and Retro Green out to match this pace, AND we'll have to support all of those nice layouts!

Speaking of which, that 'samwisekoi' layout is meant to allow an embedded arrow pad.  I'll find and post a mockup, perhaps in Retro Green a la the Nuclear Data keyboard.

Anyhow, thanks very much!  Order coming soon.

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:23:54
Order placed...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: llovro on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:32:49
How is with assembly for Europe? Is anyone going to do it? And stabilizers aren't included, are they?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mashby on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:33:53
We'll have to get Retro DSA as well as Retro Blue and Retro Green out to match this pace, AND we'll have to support all of those nice layouts!

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwcuhd4Gyx1qbcq69.gif)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:34:55
How is with assembly for Europe? Is anyone going to do it? And stabilizers aren't incleded, are they?
I'm doing it.
The stabilizer problem is not solved yet. We'll see...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pasph on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:36:12
What about GHPad integration?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:42:41
Buy some Cherry/GMK doubleshot modifiers (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.0), we have you covered for just about any possible layout you wish as long as you like purple!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:46:00
What switches and in what layout need to be rotated?
We'll try to have no switches rotated at 90 degrees. Only 0 and 180.

"We'll try" and "there are" are two different things. Are there any 90 degree switches anywhere on the board? If so what layouts and what switches?


I just wanna know so I can design a plate with the correct rotation of phantom cutouts
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:46:56
What about GHPad integration?
4-I/O extension port + all 5 rows are broken out.
We'll worry later, but it must be possible to integrate somehow. In the worst case just a ribbon cable between the boards somewhere inside the joined case.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:49:38

"We'll try" and "there are" are two different things. Are there any 90 degree switches anywhere on the board? If so what layouts and what switches?


I just wanna know so I can design a plate with the correct rotation of phantom cutouts
PM'd
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:49:48
What about GHPad integration?
4-I/O extension port + all 5 rows are broken out.
We'll worry later, but it must be possible to integrate somehow. In the worst case just a ribbon cable between the boards somewhere inside the joined case.

Would it be possible to have just another USB connection going to the computer for the GHpad? I'm not loving the idea of an attached GHpad to my GH60
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:53:36
What about GHPad integration?
4-I/O extension port + all 5 rows are broken out.
We'll worry later, but it must be possible to integrate somehow. In the worst case just a ribbon cable between the boards somewhere inside the joined case.

Would it be possible to have just another USB connection going to the computer for the GHpad? I'm not loving the idea of an attached GHpad to my GH60

Of course, that's the main option!
Ribbon only in case of a common case, where it can be nicely hidden.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:55:25
What about GHPad integration?
4-I/O extension port + all 5 rows are broken out.
We'll worry later, but it must be possible to integrate somehow. In the worst case just a ribbon cable between the boards somewhere inside the joined case.

Would it be possible to have just another USB connection going to the computer for the GHpad? I'm not loving the idea of an attached GHpad to my GH60

Of course, that's the main option!
Ribbon only in case of a common case, where it can be nicely hidden.

Gottcha, thanks bub :P
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:09:19
Are we supposed to be able to acquire cases on our own? i kinda want one of The_Beast's cases
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:10:52
Are we supposed to be able to acquire cases on our own? i kinda want one of The_Beast's cases

Yes. Or you could go caseless.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Acetrak on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:11:51
Use cardboard
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:12:28
cardboard case sounds nice
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ishumprod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:12:39
or go cardboard-case style ! that's the swaggy way, will post pics once i get my poker pcb and plate so i can get measurements and build one =P


edit : got ninja'd like a newb
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: zeththedarkmage on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:52:07
Will there be an solderless option for people like me who don't know how to use a soldering iron that will have it all put together minus the case and the keycaps?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:53:10
Will there be an solderless option for people like me who don't know how to use a soldering iron that will have it all put together minus the case and the keycaps?
There is (in the first post). I'll add more info soon.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:56:17
I'm hoping someone may answer the questions regarding the plates soon. There have three or four people ask the same thing. I was ready to be like fourth in line to order, but things are a bit unclear...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 10:59:48
Could you make a Pure 1.5x plate? Or would you say the Universal plates would be just as sturdy? And in that case, why not just offer those plates to help increase orders and decrease costs? (And yes, I understand the stab dilemma between the two)

It's in the order form. "ANSI 1.5x (pure shift) plate quantity"

Some people may not want the "Universal" plate, because they want to use plate-mount stabilizers.


Question that may solve my own above: for the ISO and ANSI HHKB layouts, is there a space available for the outside 1.5x key?

Yes, the hole is there in the plate. If you get the HHKB cover option when you order the case, it simply covers that hole.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:09:20
I assume that the SMD-soldered option will be pick-and-place and not hand-soldered by one of you?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:10:09
I assume that the SMD-soldered option will be pick-and-place and not hand-soldered by one of you?

You assume correctly, sir.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:15:02
Great.  Do we need to keep the GB open for ~2 months?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:17:39
What's the difference between plate-mount stabs and pcb-mount?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:22:37
Great.  Do we need to keep the GB open for ~2 months?

I month until orders close, 3 weeks to get all payments...seemed reasonable to me. You need this like NAO, or what?


What's the difference between plate-mount stabs and pcb-mount?

Um, well, plate mount Cherry stabs mount to the stab holes in the plate. PCB mount Cherry stabs mount to some holes in the PCB. Costar stabs use a different design, and ONLY mount to a plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:28:11
Yeah, I mean if I were to order the universal plate or the specific plate. What are the difference between the 2 if I were to use the different stabilizers
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:35:24
Yeah, I mean if I were to order the universal plate or the specific plate. What are the difference between the 2 if I were to use the different stabilizers

Some people just prefer one over the other. I personally prefer Cherry plate mount, because every once in a while, while removing keycaps on a board with PCB mount Cherry stabs, the stab will pull out of the PCB and I have to reinsert it.

Some people prefer Costar. Some people don't have a preference. If you would rather have the convenience of a universal plate, and don't care about which stabilizers you use, then you have the option go that route.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fruktstund on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:48:01
I've been thinking for a couple of hours now, and the best layout for me seems to be a ANSI WKL with 1.75x right shift and a function key to the right of that, HHKB style. I don't really like PCB mounted Cherry stabilizers though, so if the HHKB layout uses a 7x spacebar (which it seems to do), will this plate also have the holes for the outer bottom row 1.5x keys?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:51:34
Here is a layout for the GH60 "samwisekoi" -- including arrow keys.

[edit] I changed Shift_L to ISO 1.25 and added the tilde key.  WFD modified the 'samwisekoi' plate to match.  I will try to make all the 'special' keycaps available in the Klaxon/GH60/RGBY GB to come soon.[/edit]

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:56:28
Here is a layout for the GH60 "samwisekoi" -- including arrow keys.

WFD, I'd like to change Shift_R to ISO 1.25 and add the tilde key.  Can this be done for that version of the plate?

Thanks!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


It's not the plate. The PCB doesn't support a 1.25 R_Shift. That wasn't in our design.


My bad.  Shift_L.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

:D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:57:23
Here is a layout for the GH60 "samwisekoi" -- including arrow keys.

WFD, I'd like to change Shift_L to ISO 1.25 and add the tilde key.  Can this be done for that version of the plate?

Thanks!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

It's not the plate. The PCB doesn't support a 1.25 R_Shift. That wasn't in our design.

My bad.  Shift_L.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nebo on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:05:09
Oh man, I really want this but I want my phantom too and I can't have both! More keys or an awesome HHKB w/ clears? Decisions decisions.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:07:10
You already know which decision is the right one...:D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Acetrak on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:07:43
You already know which decision is the right one...:D
Both!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:09:06
both multiplied by two :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:13:53
going to get 1 hhkb now and 1 poker one possibly later...need to find the best plate for the hhkb
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nebo on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:14:55
You already know which decision is the right one... :D
Both!
Welcome to GH where if you don't own all the GBs you own none of them.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:16:23
going to get 1 hhkb now and 1 poker one possibly later...need to find the best plate for the hhkb

ansi 1.5x
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:31:54
Gonna place an order on sunday :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: RickyJ on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:36:40
A huge THANK YOU for unsoldered option!!! Yes it's more tedious, but also more fun for me.  Will have to scan the local craigslist for a used toaster oven and get some paste, been a few years since I did production like that! :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:37:31
You can always do it with a good soldering iron!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:37:42
I might have to start selling off my boards to buy more of these. It's all the stuff I like about my poker and pure, without the annoying parts.


Also, when it says "the switch color you want" is that any cherry color? Like can we do clears/grays/greens?

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:41:32
I might have to start selling off my boards to buy more of these. It's all the stuff I like about my poker and pure, without the annoying parts.


Also, when it says "the switch color you want" is that any cherry color? Like can we do clears/grays/greens?

considering selling my das for another one of these...i want 2
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tricheboars on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:41:51
Placed order for 2 SMD presoldered GH60 PCBs, 1 Ansi 1.5x Plate, 2 sets of costar stabs, 1 set of mx green switches, 1 set of mx red switches.

i was not sure if 7bit has MX Green Switches. If this is not possible that is cool, I can adapt.

This is very very exciting stuff. I am curious about assembly service. I could be interested in having that done to one of my boards depending on cost.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH YOU MAKE THIS THE BEST WEBSITE ON THE NET.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:42:59
I might have to start selling off my boards to buy more of these. It's all the stuff I like about my poker and pure, without the annoying parts.


Also, when it says "the switch color you want" is that any cherry color? Like can we do clears/grays/greens?

Hope so, I want to try milk/white switches.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:43:39


considering selling my das for another one of these...i want 2

I know man, I want a linear (gray) and clicky (green or white) for sure, and maybe a tactile non clicky (clear).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:44:59
going to get 1 hhkb now and 1 poker one possibly later...need to find the best plate for the hhkb

ansi 1.5x

should i get ansi 1.5x or ansi 1.5 pure shift? i think i need to get the ansi 1.5 pure shift plate right? the real hhkb has a small 1.75 shift i think
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:46:09


considering selling my das for another one of these...i want 2

I know man, I want a linear (gray) and clicky (green or white) for sure, and maybe a tactile non clicky (clear).

i just got a poker with clears like 2 days ago. i want either greens/whites or tactile greys on my gh60...can't decide..why not just get 2!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:48:24
going to get 1 hhkb now and 1 poker one possibly later...need to find the best plate for the hhkb

ansi 1.5x

(http://i.imgur.com/8W2Nlxi.png)

look what i mean
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tricheboars on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:48:41
(http://genophoria.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:56:11
will there be a case made for hhkb ansi?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:58:04
Ordered two populated boards and one plate; will come back and order more...

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)w
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Thu, 21 March 2013, 12:59:19
Ahhh. I'm looking forward to a 1.5x ISO HHKB.

I'm not sure on what stabilisers to use though. Or switch colour, maybe whites (if possible).

And I want to wait and see how much The_Beast's case will be.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:01:07
will there be a case made for hhkb ansi?

that's what i was asking....WhiteFireDragon himself is making a case that can have a top for hhkb ansi...so i think so
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:09:00
Would I have to order a separate plate if i buy WhiteFireDragons case?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:11:34
will there be a case made for hhkb ansi?

that's what i was asking....WhiteFireDragon himself is making a case that can have a top for hhkb ansi...so i think so

His case is only for WKL ANSI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/GH70-ASMBL_2.png
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:13:42
will there be a case made for hhkb ansi?

that's what i was asking....WhiteFireDragon himself is making a case that can have a top for hhkb ansi...so i think so

His case is only for WKL ANSI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/GH70-ASMBL_2.png

"4) modular top cover - The top cover has 3 different designs, allows you to choose a winkeyless cover, HHKB style, or standard full keys"

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Permeability on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:14:49
These will be using PCB Mount switches right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fruktstund on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:14:49
His case is only for WKL ANSI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/GH70-ASMBL_2.png

Look at the second post of this thread.

Quote from: WhiteFireDragon
Here are some possible layouts, rendered with my case design

In the second post you have some possible layouts. These are rendered with his case design.

:)

These will be using PCB Mount switches right?
Both PCB mounted and plate mounted switches will be possible to use, although I believe you won't be able to use plate-mounted switches if you choose to not have a plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:14:59
will there be a case made for hhkb ansi?

that's what i was asking....WhiteFireDragon himself is making a case that can have a top for hhkb ansi...so i think so

His case is only for WKL ANSI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/case/GH70-ASMBL_2.png

"4) modular top cover - The top cover has 3 different designs, allows you to choose a winkeyless cover, HHKB style, or standard full keys"

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39599.0


Nice.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:18:42
yeah i really want that aluminum case or the hhkb layout. i think it would be sexy. i am still trying to find the right plate. someone suggested 1.5x ANSI but i think we need a shorter shift bar..

Would I have to order a separate plate if i buy WhiteFireDragons case?

I think he is making a GB at some point
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:28:05
then get the universal plate?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:32:51
then get the universal plate?

universal plate for hhkb ansi layout? i don't think that would work
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: TheQsanity on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:35:24
Daumn this happened quick.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:36:09
Wow I just posted the OP, woke up and it's on page 4 already. My inbox is flooded so give me time to catch up with posts in here and PMs. Also, if you have a non-personal question, just post it in here rather than PM me, some people might have the same question.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:39:42
Wow I just posted the OP, woke up and it's on page 4 already. My inbox is flooded so give me time to catch up with posts in here and PMs. Also, if you have a non-personal question, just post it in here rather than PM me, some people might have the same question.

i shot you a pm just take your time haha

everyone has been waiting for this for a long time
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:41:08
Wow I just posted the OP, woke up and it's on page 4 already. My inbox is flooded so give me time to catch up with posts in here and PMs. Also, if you have a non-personal question, just post it in here rather than PM me, some people might have the same question.

It's okay, buddy. Glad you got to rest. komar and I have been answering questions as best we can. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: TheQsanity on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:53:52
One question please:

I have yet to receive my prototype (with prof). What are the differences from this and the prototype? Can the prototype use all these different layouts and fit the plates?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:59:06
The prototype lacks the option of split backspace. Also, several of the switches (mostly bottom row and modifiers) are rotated 90 degrees on prototype. The only 90 degree rotated switch on the final revision should be the ISO enter switch, unless komar has something to add otherwise.

Edit: also, the extra pins of the 32u4 controller are broken out to pads on the final revision, which the prototype lacks.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:00:59
That's right.
If you don't have a problem with rotated switches, the prototype's fine.
I think I won't have to rotate anything. It seems everything fits. Except for some overlapping holes, but that's better than rotated switches I think.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:04:00
I have a question about the 2 PCB options. And the assembly service. If I have no experience at all jnapdlering and don't have access to soldering, what hold I be ordering? I think km going to be ordering the assemg service, but what is the extent of the assembly service?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:06:30
I have a question about the 2 PCB options. And the assembly service. If I have no experience at all jnapdlering and don't have access to soldering, what hold I be ordering? I think km going to be ordering the assemg service, but what is the extent of the assembly service?

Order the assembled PCBs ($40) and assembly service ($25). DIY PCBs are ONLY if you want to do everything, including SMD soldering, yourself.

Also, the assembly service consists of installing switches in the plate (if used), and soldering them to the PCB. Firmware will be flashed to your controller. If a case is purchased (if it ships with these), then installation into the case is included. And testing to ensure everything works properly.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: RickyJ on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:12:46
You can always do it with a good soldering iron!

Oh believe me, that's not a problem. I just miss smd production, lol. Hand soldering 0603 size discrete components, fine pitch chips, etc no problem. Would just like to play with paste and baking again. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:17:21
I have a question about the 2 PCB options. And the assembly service. If I have no experience at all jnapdlering and don't have access to soldering, what hold I be ordering? I think km going to be ordering the assemg service, but what is the extent of the assembly service?

Order the assembled PCBs ($40) and assembly service ($25). DIY PCBs are ONLY if you want to do everything, including SMD soldering, yourself.

Ok cool. Are a few LEDs going to be an option? Can I as that in the comments?

And there is no update on the tracking number :( I hope I get it tomorrow!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:20:23
Ok cool. Are a few LEDs going to be an option? Can I as that in the comments?

Only 1 LED is supported, on Caps Lock. Not sure about color options...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:21:34
And there is no update on the tracking number :( I hope I get it tomorrow!


These are months from shipping. You understand GB take time
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:24:36
Ok cool. Are a few LEDs going to be an option? Can I as that in the comments?

Only 1 LED is supported, on Caps Lock. Not sure about color options...

Aww boo I wish I could get 4 on my wasd keys


And there is no update on the tracking number :( I hope I get it tomorrow!


These are months from shipping. You understand GB take time

I bought a poker from jdcarpe last week... We are talking about that. I heard the gh60s are coming in September/October
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:24:39
And there is no update on the tracking number :( I hope I get it tomorrow!


These are months from shipping. You understand GB take time

He was referring to the Poker I sold him.

I bought a poker from jdcarpe last week... We are talking about that. I heard the gh60s are coming in September/October

Technically, you bought it yesterday. That's when I received your payment. :P
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:29:37

Aww boo I wish I could get 4 on my wasd keys

Most probably there will be wasd leds.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:29:48
Gottcha, assumed that since this was the Gh60 thread....
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:31:56

Aww boo I wish I could get 4 on my wasd keys

Most probably there will be wasd leds.

Yay for hole drilling! :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glissant on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:42:08
Got in my order finally. Let me know if I need to clarify my stab and wire wishes. My GH60 arsenal shall be grand (well three in total isn't really GRAND, but..)!!

I hope many people get in on this as I think it's a really awesome little keyboard. And custom stuff is always cool ;).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:44:34

Aww boo I wish I could get 4 on my wasd keys

Most probably there will be wasd leds.

Yay for hole drilling! :D

YAAA! I will put it in the comments section that I want wasd LEDs...maybe some more.jd I like how the poker has some of the modifier keys with LEDs. Pretty cool
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:45:20
OK, semi-big order placed with form; I'm down for 3 of these plus 1 do-the-smd-yourself kit (which ill mess up likely); I'm building one for someone though if that sounds a bit much lol. Looks like ill have a 60% keyboard army; like a mini-jdcarpe collection lolol.

let me know if i messed up the form instructions around the stabs.

with so many people involved it sounds like this could run extremely smooth; I just wish you collected payment a week or two earlier than what you have set.  This is the keyboard I've been waiting for unless the ergodox does actually work out (i have my doubts about it). No KMAC for me (*ducks*).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:49:10
By the way, "Forum name" means your name on the forum. We know the forum is called Geekhack. We have several orders from "Geekhack."  ;D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:53:47
what are the options for the switches?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MarkPharaoh on Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:55:08
By the way, "Forum name" means your name on the forum. We know the forum is called Geekhack. We have several orders from "Geekhack."  ;D

lol.

Man, there are so many options to choose from! Kind of want a HHKB layout to go with my actual HHKB, but the ANSI WKL would also rock.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:08:09
Are can we get any type of switch? I'm looking at grey and whites
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:10:06
Over 80 PCBs ordered in 12 hours, and almost the same amount for plates.


I'll submit my order later depending on WFD's case progress. :D

1/3 of the PMs I got was regarding the case, so I'll just say it to everyone. I'm not going to integrate any of the cases in this GB. Mine specifically, it just has too many parts and many options, which will complicate the ordering. I also don't want my case to delay this GB at all, so it's going to stay separate.



Is the HHKB ANSI not on the order form?

ISO or ANSI 1.5x plate is compatible with 3 layouts: WKL, HHKB, and normal 1.5x bottom row modifier. They all use this same plate, but the specific layout will depend on which top case cover you choose. Obviously if you use a stock poker/pure case, you can't have a WKL or HHKB layout since you can't cover up those certain keys. So in the order form, if you want a WKL or HHKB, then you need to pick the ANSI or ISO 1.5x plate. That was mentioned in the order form, but I hope this clarifies that.



What switches and in what layout need to be rotated?

If you look at the PCB pic in the OP, all of the switches are either not rotated or rotated at 180degree. This doesn't affect your caps. The Only one that as a 270degree rotation is the ISO-enter, which is suppose to be rotated anyways.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:15:14
WFD, is there any option for a plate similar to your WFD150?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/plates/th_HHK150.png

Id be interested in that so I would be confident in the switches staying in place adverse to using the universal ansi.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:18:56
So the $25 option comes with everything you need just not soldered together? Just want to make sure I wouldn't have to source diodes and such myself.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:22:45
So the $25 option comes with everything you need just not soldered together? Just want to make sure I wouldn't have to source diodes and such myself.

Yes, components included.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: phetto on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:26:51
Wooooohoo!!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:28:33
what are the options for the switches?
Are can we get any type of switch? I'm looking at grey and whites

Switches and stabilizers

I was a little reluctant to include switches and stabilizers with this GB at first, because it'll just further complicate ordering, choices, invoice, and organization/management. But I figured it'll be a tad cheaper and easier to have a centralized place to get stuff.

7bit will just send 1 large order directly to us. Feel free to get it directly from him. We're not in control of how much they cost, choices, and when they're available. But ordering large amounts in a GB can be cheaper for everyone. Refer HERE (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html) for direct info and which switch choices are available. Then just fill out which ones you want in the order form.

As for stabilizers, I only have plate-mounted cherries, but I believe alaricljs will get a bunch of PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers soon. You can get Costars directly from WASDkeyboards, or if there are enough orders for the costars at the end, we'll put a large order for those as well. The problem is the spacebar wires. They can't be bought anywhere, so they'll have to be made. I'll post a guide so you can make your own. I'll make as many as I can, but it takes me ~10 minutes each, so I don't think I'll be making 200+ of them.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:31:29
I don't think the OP specifies what the plates are made out of.  Can we assume SS?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Winther on Thu, 21 March 2013, 15:38:56
a few noob questions:

Does/will the firmware support nordic ISO characters aswell?

I might be wrong, but havent there been talk about LED option in the escape key too?

What stabilizers do Ducky keyboards use? Is cherry?


I think thats all for now, will probably drop an order in the next few days.. :P great work on this!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: london00 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:00:17
Order submitted, thanks for making this happen and organizing it.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: multipla on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:03:24
Is this limitation to PCB mount Cherry stabs with the universal plates only for keys in the large cutout holes, or for all?
Can I use regular plate mount Cherry stabs for the spacebar and enter (with the universal ISO Plate)?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:06:21
Hmm.
Want to get a layout different from the Poker, but I don't want to have to go around finding special sized keycaps etc :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:09:53
Can universal plate fit the GH60 layout?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:12:26
I don't think the OP specifies what the plates are made out of.  Can we assume SS?

Myrrh
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:15:22
Ok cool. Are a few LEDs going to be an option? Can I as that in the comments?

Only 1 LED is supported, on Caps Lock. Not sure about color options...

Aw damn, I was hoping the board had backlight support and just didn't come with LEDs.

Guess I'll have to keep my pure around for that.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:21:07
Ok cool. Are a few LEDs going to be an option? Can I as that in the comments?

Only 1 LED is supported, on Caps Lock. Not sure about color options...

Aw damn, I was hoping the board had backlight support and just didn't come with LEDs.

Guess I'll have to keep my pure around for that.

Just wait for the HyperMini. It will at least come with holes for the LEDs, but might happen that some need to be wired manually.

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:28:36
I'm going to sell the ErgoDox I ordered to get one or two of these.

Great work by all involved!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:32:38
Ok cool. Are a few LEDs going to be an option? Can I as that in the comments?

Only 1 LED is supported, on Caps Lock. Not sure about color options...

Aw damn, I was hoping the board had backlight support and just didn't come with LEDs.

Guess I'll have to keep my pure around for that.

Just wait for the HyperMini. It will at least come with holes for the LEDs, but might happen that some need to be wired manually.



You'll have to wait for Round 4 to complete first, sometime next year, is it?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:33:52
Ok cool. Are a few LEDs going to be an option? Can I as that in the comments?

Only 1 LED is supported, on Caps Lock. Not sure about color options...

Aw damn, I was hoping the board had backlight support and just didn't come with LEDs.

Guess I'll have to keep my pure around for that.

Just wait for the HyperMini. It will at least come with holes for the LEDs, but might happen that some need to be wired manually.



You'll have to wait for Round 4 to complete first, sometime next year, is it?


This makes me a sad panda :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:36:43
On WFD's case there are tabs that stick out of the plate that sandwich between the top and bottom pieces of the case. Would it be possible to have those on the plates ordered here? Or should I just wait until the GB for the GH70 case starts up to grab a plate?

Just to confirm, the plates will be stainless steel right? Also if LED color options become available I'd go for white.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:38:17
Yes, I believe these plates will be stainless steel.

If you want the integrated plate, you'll have to wait for the case GB.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:39:37

Just wait for the HyperMini. It will at least come with holes for the LEDs, but might happen that some need to be wired manually.

As nice as that would be, the wiring manually is kinda a deal killer for leds. As far as I'm concerned it's every key, indicators only, or no keys. And every key would be such a pain to wire. And messy.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:49:37
On WFD's case there are tabs that stick out of the plate that sandwich between the top and bottom pieces of the case. Would it be possible to have those on the plates ordered here? Or should I just wait until the GB for the GH70 case starts up to grab a plate?

Also if LED color options become available I'd go for white.

Dedicated plates for my case is separate, only available when that GB opens. I'm not completely done with prototyping that whole case/plate combo yet. But good news for plates offered here, is that you can just directly drop it with my case with no modding. It'll just sit on the standoff (like stock plastic poker case) instead of being screwed down to the case.


As of now, the only LED is the capslock (maybe WASD later on), so all the PCBs will come with one color. It's just too complicated for many options and to manage/match up orders for a single LED. They're only around 20cents so if you don't like the color it comes with, feel free to source your own.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pasph on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:53:53
The problem is the spacebar wires. They can't be bought anywhere, so they'll have to be made. I'll post a guide so you can make your own. I'll make as many as I can, but it takes me ~10 minutes each, so I don't think I'll be making 200+ of them.

All kind of spacebar wires or only Cherry type?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:56:21
6.25x Costar wires available. I don't think anyone is bending 7x Costar wires.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pasph on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:57:20
Dedicated plates for my case is separate, only available when that GB opens. I'm not completely done with prototyping that whole case/plate combo yet. But good news for plates offered here, is that you can just directly drop it with my case with no modding. It'll just sit on the standoff (like stock plastic poker case) instead of being screwed down to the case.

What plate layouts you are going to offer?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: longweight on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:04:30
We need a HHKB case!
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:06:04
We need a HHKB case!

There's one on the way, just have to wait :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tricheboars on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:15:33
I feel sorry for The_Beast and WhiteFireDragon's GH inboxes.  I can only imagine how many messages they got about cases today.  I shall wait.

For us first time DIY builders, do you guys have a book or guide I could check out for soldering?  This is something i have always been interested in since my A+ days in the 90's.  Plus, i am obsessed with keyboards so the time is now.  I am stocking up expecting my first attempt to be disastrous (i learn best through failure for some damn reason) but if at all possible I would like to go into the GH60 with a practiced hand or at least some base knowledge of what i am doing.  I found some photo guides but I have trouble understanding the processes that take place between the photos.  I also checked out our wiki with no positive results for soldering and desoldering plate mounted switches onto PCBs.   I am sure there are many like minded people like me who could use some advice from the experts.  I also understand that the only real way for me to learn how to do this is to actually do this. I just dont have any idea what i am doing.

I could document my full build process with videos and what have you, but you guys cant ridicule me when i set my table on fire and melt my PCBs while crying.  However, if it gets laughs it could be worth it.



Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:17:09
For us first time DIY builders, do you guys have a book or guide I could check out for soldering?

Subscribe to WhiteFireDragon's channel on YouTube.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ishumprod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:19:12
look on youtube for people soldering swithes, i know there are some. i can't really help you through internet, i am very bad at it
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: myndzi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:22:50
Oh yes please! I'm not feeling adventurous to make this my first soldering project, but will gladly pay for assembly. Do I need to order the DIY kit if I'm going to go that route?

Edit: I can see the volunteers getting swamped easily, so I suppose it'll depend on the load. Anyone have a ballpark figure for how much the soldering stuff would cost?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:26:12
Assembly service is $25, according to the OP
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:27:30
Dedicated plates for my case is separate, only available when that GB opens. I'm not completely done with prototyping that whole case/plate combo yet. But good news for plates offered here, is that you can just directly drop it with my case with no modding. It'll just sit on the standoff (like stock plastic poker case) instead of being screwed down to the case.


As of now, the only LED is the capslock (maybe WASD later on), so all the PCBs will come with one color. It's just too complicated for many options and to manage/match up orders for a single LED. They're only around 20cents so if you don't like the color it comes with, feel free to source your own.

Alright sounds good, threw in a request to change my order then. You planning on SS for your plates as well?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: myndzi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:29:29
Yeah, but I'm not sure whether I need to put the DIY kit on the order form to provide the parts or if that's assumed.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:37:54
(http://pcbwing.com/images/SupriseCoupon.gif)
http://pcbwing.com/Surprise.php#

This was on PCBwing's website today. IDK if you guys know already.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:49:03
Thanks, duq. That's been there like forever. Haha.

myndzi, don't order the DIY PCB if you want assembly. That's only for people who want to do ALL the soldering, including the SMD soldering, by themselves. If you want an assembled PCB with switches soldered, firmware loaded, etc., you need to order the standard PCB ($40) plus the assembly service ($25), plus switches, stabilizers, and plate if you want a plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ishumprod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:50:01
hmm there was a thread on classifieds where some guy sold all mounted pokers for monies, you could check there.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:51:30
What would the price of a poker, with MX blues, costar, and fully put together be?

Assuming you mean GH60 with Poker layout plate. I'm assuming 61 MX Blues would cost around $50, plus $90 for the rest you mentioned. About $140 total.


hmm there was a thread on classifieds where some guy sold all mounted pokers for monies, you could check there.

That was me (one of the threads, anyway). And both of the Pokers have been sold.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Brown on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:13:36
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:15:40

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/DSC01742_zps54a39194.jpg)

Looking forward to number 2.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: csimi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:20:28
Why do you mention FLIP in the Windows firmware guide but not DFU? Java is an exploit and virus landmine.
DFU works well on Windows with the HID Liberation Device. Is it different for the GH60?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Luke on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:24:20
WOOP!!!! :D Oh and are we still having LED's on WASD? :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: deazncy on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:29:51
Wow! How much would it cost to have a basic kb with a Pure layout and mx blacks assembled?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:32:09
Ordered! Thanks guys!
Beast I ordered 3 so I hope you will be down to do some more work in the future.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:35:00
Wow! How much would it cost to have a basic kb with a Pure layout and mx blacks assembled?

Probably around $124, not including a case.

Remember, this keyboard is fully programmable, every key. This isn't just an off-the-shelf 60%.


Ordered! Thanks guys!
Beast I ordered 3 so I hope you will be down to do some more work in the future.

Once you go Beast, you never go...east? :P
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:38:34
You never go yeast. Flatbread it is.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eyesmiles on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:40:58
You know it's all bad when you're in a meeting and all you can think about is placing an order for the gh60 GB. :p I was counting off in my head how many plate-mounted cherry stabs I needed. I am assuming that it would be ok to just gather parts and PM people at a later date for assembly. I have an acquaintance with a shop that wants to mess around and powder coat the poker plate that beast has a GB for. I know the cases that beast and WFD are still coming together as well. And of course, 7bit's switch order won't come around until Sept/Oct.

Anyhoo, thank you to everyone who's made the gh60 come to fruition. I can't even imagine the numerous amounts of PMs WFD, jdcarpe, komar, etc. have in their inboxes.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:58:23
There are more DIY PCB kits ordered than I thought. I know price is attractive, but I want you to make sure you know exactly what you're getting into when getting a DIY kit. This is not your typical soldering of large through-hole switch pins. All the SMD components are provided, but you'll have to solder them on yourself. The pre-soldered boards have all the SMD done at the factory by a pick-and-place machine.

There is a ATmega32u4 controller, few capacitors, resistors, single crystal, switch, USB, and roughly 61 diodes that needs SMD soldering. Parts are very small, so it's not recommended if you've never done SMD soldering before. The crystal was near impossible to do with a fine iron tip, I used hot air to solder up all the prototype boards. If you mess up, it's very hard to desolder these parts because both ends of the pads must be desoldered at the same time. You'll either need 2 irons, hot air, chipquik, or desoldering tweezers to remove the components. Wick braid could work, but I wouldn't bank on it. So with that many components you'll have to solder, don't plan on messing up.

This is a run through of the whole SMD process if you're getting DIY kits. It's 2-3 hour process assuming you don't mess up. Make sure you're absolutely clear on what you're doing. I'll link this in the OP as well


Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:11:11
Ordered! Thanks guys!
Beast I ordered 3 so I hope you will be down to do some more work in the future.

Depends on when these come. If it's during my summer break, I'd be game for some soldering and modding
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: justin one on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:14:23
I ordered one assembled and one not. Can't wait!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:19:11
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.

Shouldn't matter if you've ever touched a keyboard if you can solder.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:23:34
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.

Shouldn't matter if you've ever touched a keyboard if you can solder.

In a lot of ways, having just the smt soldered for $25 is nice as it's tedious and time consuming for something that is relatively easy.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:33:03

In a lot of ways, having just the smt soldered for $25 is nice as it's tedious and time consuming for something that is relatively easy.

Though still not something that great for someone who has never smt soldered before seeing as it's only 15 bucks more for all those tough parts to be pre-soldered.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:34:54
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.

Shouldn't matter if you've ever touched a keyboard if you can solder.

Wow.  People are buying the DIY kit for the build-it-yourself experience?  I have decades of soldering experience, and don't think WFD went far enough in explaining just how delicate and unforgiving SMD soldering is.  It is (literally) like soldering an ant to a piece of screen.  One tiny ant-leg at a time.  There is a reason these are done with pick-and-place machines.  It is really, really hard.  And VERY hard to undo mistakes.

If you are a pretty good at soldering, then spend the $40 and get the ":assembled" board.  You will stil have to solder 120+ switch leads, at least one LED, burn the firmware, customize it if desired, etc.  And that is with the NON-DIY kit.

If you've never soldered before, don't even think about the DIY kit.  If you're handy with tools or have just a little soldering experience, then go to the local electronics recycling center, grab a few large circuit boards and spend a few evenings de-soldering and re-soldering the components with wire leads that go through the board.  That should give you plenty of experience to make this almost fun.

Also, get a good soldering iron.  I only use Weller irons, although there are some other good brands.  There is a reason that some irons are $50 and some with the same specs are $5.  Think of Weller as the Cherry MX of soldering equipment.

This is a keyboard forum, not a ham-radio forum.  Absolutely zero people here will think any less of anyone for skipping the SMD part of this.  And for sure you aren't going to save money unless you already have the equipment to do that delicate of a job.

If you have enough dexterity to care about keyboard switches, you can probably build one.  But let the robots do their job first.

</rant>

WFD, thank you very much for the warning message and the video!

Yet another good job in the GH60 stack of good jobs!

Cheers!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:35:47
if the keyboard is fully programable, how do we assign what key to what? i  am planning on getting a hhkb layout, but i want the two keys in between the space bar and Alt keys to be winkeys..i think on the real hhkb they are 2 'meta' keys which i would switch to winkeys. also, i heard if i want hhkb, i should be ordering a ANSI 1.5x plate. on the real hhkb, there is a small right shift, just like the pure, with fn (instead of ` on the pure). should i be ordering ANSI 1.5x PURE plate instead? to incorporate the fn key on the hhkb?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:36:52
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.

Shouldn't matter if you've ever touched a keyboard if you can solder.

Wow.  People are buying the DIY kit for the build-it-yourself experience?  I have decades of soldering experience, and don't think WFD went far enough in explaining just how delicate and unforgiving SMD soldering is.  It is (literally) like soldering an ant to a piece of screen.  One tiny ant-leg at a time.  There is a reason these are done with pick-and-place machines.  It is really, really hard.  And VERY hard to undo mistakes.

If you are a pretty good at soldering, then spend the $40 and get the ":assembled" board.  You will stil have to solder 120+ switch leads, at least one LED, burn the firmware, customize it if desired, etc.  And that is with the NON-DIY kit.

If you've never soldered before, don't even think about the DIY kit.  If you're handy with tools or have just a little soldering experience, then go to the local electronics recycling center, grab a few large circuit boards and spend a few evenings de-soldering and re-soldering the components with wire leads that go through the board.  That should give you plenty of experience to make this almost fun.

Also, get a good soldering iron.  I only use Weller irons, although there are some other good brands.  There is a reason that some irons are $50 and some with the same specs are $5.  Think of Weller as the Cherry MX of soldering equipment.

This is a keyboard forum, not a ham-radio forum.  Absolutely zero people here will think any less of anyone for skipping the SMD part of this.  And for sure you aren't going to save money unless you already have the equipment to do that delicate of a job.

If you have enough dexterity to care about keyboard switches, you can probably build one.  But let the robots do their job first.

</rant>

WFD, thank you very much for the warning message and the video!

Yet another good job in the GH60 stack of good jobs!

Cheers!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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It's good you are clearing this all up =D
Would hate if people bought it, and couldn't even use it, especially after all the anticipation for this board :P
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Brown on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:42:51
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.

Shouldn't matter if you've ever touched a keyboard if you can solder.

Wow.  People are buying the DIY kit for the build-it-yourself experience?  I have decades of soldering experience, and don't think WFD went far enough in explaining just how delicate and unforgiving SMD soldering is.  It is (literally) like soldering an ant to a piece of screen.  One tiny ant-leg at a time.  There is a reason these are done with pick-and-place machines.  It is really, really hard.  And VERY hard to undo mistakes.

If you are a pretty good at soldering, then spend the $40 and get the ":assembled" board.  You will stil have to solder 120+ switch leads, at least one LED, burn the firmware, customize it if desired, etc.  And that is with the NON-DIY kit.

If you've never soldered before, don't even think about the DIY kit.  If you're handy with tools or have just a little soldering experience, then go to the local electronics recycling center, grab a few large circuit boards and spend a few evenings de-soldering and re-soldering the components with wire leads that go through the board.  That should give you plenty of experience to make this almost fun.

Also, get a good soldering iron.  I only use Weller irons, although there are some other good brands.  There is a reason that some irons are $50 and some with the same specs are $5.  Think of Weller as the Cherry MX of soldering equipment.

This is a keyboard forum, not a ham-radio forum.  Absolutely zero people here will think any less of anyone for skipping the SMD part of this.  And for sure you aren't going to save money unless you already have the equipment to do that delicate of a job.

If you have enough dexterity to care about keyboard switches, you can probably build one.  But let the robots do their job first.

</rant>

WFD, thank you very much for the warning message and the video!

Yet another good job in the GH60 stack of good jobs!

Cheers!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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I don't plan on buying the DIY kit, just the $40 one.  I've already watched the video on soldering the chip, and I know I won't be trying that.  I was just wondering if it is that hard to solder the switches onto the board and such. 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:43:17
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.

Shouldn't matter if you've ever touched a keyboard if you can solder.

Wow.  People are buying the DIY kit for the build-it-yourself experience?  I have decades of soldering experience, and don't think WFD went far enough in explaining just how delicate and unforgiving SMD soldering is.  It is (literally) like soldering an ant to a piece of screen.  One tiny ant-leg at a time.  There is a reason these are done with pick-and-place machines.  It is really, really hard.  And VERY hard to undo mistakes.

If you are a pretty good at soldering, then spend the $40 and get the ":assembled" board.  You will stil have to solder 120+ switch leads, at least one LED, burn the firmware, customize it if desired, etc.  And that is with the NON-DIY kit.

If you've never soldered before, don't even think about the DIY kit.  If you're handy with tools or have just a little soldering experience, then go to the local electronics recycling center, grab a few large circuit boards and spend a few evenings de-soldering and re-soldering the components with wire leads that go through the board.  That should give you plenty of experience to make this almost fun.

Also, get a good soldering iron.  I only use Weller irons, although there are some other good brands.  There is a reason that some irons are $50 and some with the same specs are $5.  Think of Weller as the Cherry MX of soldering equipment.

This is a keyboard forum, not a ham-radio forum.  Absolutely zero people here will think any less of anyone for skipping the SMD part of this.  And for sure you aren't going to save money unless you already have the equipment to do that delicate of a job.

If you have enough dexterity to care about keyboard switches, you can probably build one.  But let the robots do their job first.

</rant>

WFD, thank you very much for the warning message and the video!

Yet another good job in the GH60 stack of good jobs!

Cheers!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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Now I wasn't recommending the DIY kit, just saying that Brown wouldn't have much trouble with the standard no switches soldered (but smt pre-soldered) on board. As long as he's had soldering experience.

And agree 100% on the good iron thing. I use a Hakko FX-888 myself. Hakko and Weller are the two of the big consumer irons (Complete **** next to professional ones, but you're lookin at another 0 on those). Can't go wrong with either of them.

Also, look at ones with a seperate unit for temperature control. They tend to be a lot nicer than wands with a dial on the wand or no dial at all.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:46:00
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.

Shouldn't matter if you've ever touched a keyboard if you can solder.

<skip>


It's good you are clearing this all up =D
Would hate if people bought it, and couldn't even use it, especially after all the anticipation for this board :P

Sorry for the rant.  It is really hard to do, and it would in fact be a serious bummer if people saved $15 on what could be an awesome board and then couldn't get it to work.

Brown, to answer you specifically, the normal kit requires normal dexterity.  Go for it.  Practice first!  My rant was not pointed at you.

I am now going to go have some sake and sashimi.

Peace to all, and to all a good evening!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: netdevil on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:52:59
I miss geekhack gb thread for a day or two then I see a 7 page GH60 gb page lol. Ordered after waiting for this for awhile. Good job guys  ;D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: RickyJ on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:54:36
Yeah, thinking again about the DIY option.  I forgot how long it takes to paste a board and place components, then have it bake without anything going cock-eyed.  I don't have the time anymore, lol.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:54:59
On a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would this be for a person who has some soldering experience but hasn't dealt with mechanical keyboards at all?  I'm very interested and want to make my first keyboard the best.

Shouldn't matter if you've ever touched a keyboard if you can solder.

Wow.  People are buying the DIY kit for the build-it-yourself experience?  I have decades of soldering experience, and don't think WFD went far enough in explaining just how delicate and unforgiving SMD soldering is.  It is (literally) like soldering an ant to a piece of screen.  One tiny ant-leg at a time.  There is a reason these are done with pick-and-place machines.  It is really, really hard.  And VERY hard to undo mistakes.

If you are a pretty good at soldering, then spend the $40 and get the ":assembled" board.  You will stil have to solder 120+ switch leads, at least one LED, burn the firmware, customize it if desired, etc.  And that is with the NON-DIY kit.

If you've never soldered before, don't even think about the DIY kit.  If you're handy with tools or have just a little soldering experience, then go to the local electronics recycling center, grab a few large circuit boards and spend a few evenings de-soldering and re-soldering the components with wire leads that go through the board.  That should give you plenty of experience to make this almost fun.

Also, get a good soldering iron.  I only use Weller irons, although there are some other good brands.  There is a reason that some irons are $50 and some with the same specs are $5.  Think of Weller as the Cherry MX of soldering equipment.

This is a keyboard forum, not a ham-radio forum.  Absolutely zero people here will think any less of anyone for skipping the SMD part of this.  And for sure you aren't going to save money unless you already have the equipment to do that delicate of a job.

If you have enough dexterity to care about keyboard switches, you can probably build one.  But let the robots do their job first.

</rant>

WFD, thank you very much for the warning message and the video!

Yet another good job in the GH60 stack of good jobs!

Cheers!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
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One of the four GH60s i signed up for today was the DIY SMD kit. I figured i would use it to get better with smd soldering considering all I have done with smd was this kit http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-Surface-Mount-Technology-Kit/dp/B001RCMNHS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1363913100&sr=8-2&keywords=smd+kit and even that tiny simple kit was a little hard with my current equipment of just a flux pen, some tweezers, and 2 tips (screwdriver and pointy conical) for my Weller WLC100 and the sad part is it ended up not working  :-X

I guess my logic was: accomplish smd soldering and be rewarded with another working GH60

I have watched WFD video when he first posted it, but i think hearing you and WFD now give your arguments against the DIY kit, I think i am convinced to just not do it. My hands shake bad when i'm under stress, i am imagining the damage i could do to the board and myself.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Turkishrambo on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:59:48
This has probably been answered, but is the plates from The_beast's GB compatible? Im assuming yes
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 20:03:11
Is the ANSI 1.5x the best plate for a hhkb layout? or ANSI 1.5x PURE? i figure pure because the hhkb also has the same small shift
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: calavera on Thu, 21 March 2013, 20:06:02
Anyone else still deciding on a damn plate? Decisions decisions...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 21 March 2013, 20:06:14
I built mine (that already had all the SMD stuff done) with a $10 radioshack piece of crap solder iron, anyone can do it. :D
As far as programming it goes there is a nice working gui tool now so you won't have to learn things about C programming to make it work first like poor me pulling out my hair and screaming into the night. :))
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Turkishrambo on Thu, 21 March 2013, 20:07:19
Anyone else still deciding on a damn plate? Decisions decisions...
I really want a winkeyless, the only thing is that i will pretty much have to get a custom alum case... dno if its in budget @_@
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: inteli722 on Thu, 21 March 2013, 20:08:52
Is the ANSI 1.5x the best plate for a hhkb layout? or ANSI 1.5x PURE? i figure pure because the hhkb also has the same small shift

Depends on if you want a TRUE HHKB layout or not. Personally, the HHKB's FN key seems logically placed, even if I don't like the backspace position, so I would go with the 1.5x Pure...but to each his own.

I've found that you should probably think it over, and ignore what everyone else tells you about what you should/shouldn't get layout-wise. It's all up to you. If you think that the Pure plate is best, then get it. If you are unsure and you can do with PCB Mount Cherry Stabs, go for the Universal ANSI plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 21 March 2013, 20:27:05
Or don't get a plate at all as it is not needed anyway and you don't have to worry about a thing!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 21 March 2013, 20:59:31
Is the ANSI 1.5x the best plate for a hhkb layout? or ANSI 1.5x PURE? i figure pure because the hhkb also has the same small shift

Depends on if you want a TRUE HHKB layout or not. Personally, the HHKB's FN key seems logically placed, even if I don't like the backspace position, so I would go with the 1.5x Pure...but to each his own.

I've found that you should probably think it over, and ignore what everyone else tells you about what you should/shouldn't get layout-wise. It's all up to you. If you think that the Pure plate is best, then get it. If you are unsure and you can do with PCB Mount Cherry Stabs, go for the Universal ANSI plate.

i think i would like that fn placement. if i didn't get Ansi 1.5x pure, where would the fn go? even if i do get ANSI 1.5x PURE, i am pretty sure that i will have standard ansi backspace. in that case, where will the "~" key be? an fn option?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ANDMYGUN on Thu, 21 March 2013, 21:54:59
Hello, I'm very new to keyboards and group buys in general.. hopefully someone can help me out. From my understanding the GH60 will not be coming with a case or keys, which I will have to buy separately:

1. Will only certain plates work with specific cases?

2. Whats a popular layout that everyone's getting? I honestly don't know enough about keyboards to purchase one with an open mind.

3. When choosing switched it say's to leave it formatted quantity x item, I'm guessing this would mean the amount of keys on the keyboard and the switch type? IE Cherry MX Browns?

4. Like I said I've never been in a group buy, but I've bought things with paypal before, I'm guessing once they send in my invoice I'll just have to pay for it through paypal?

5. Can someone give me a rough estimate on how much it would cost? with soldering, plate, assembly, and switches.

Thank you in advanced I've always wanted to participate in a group buy but I've never been too sure on how to.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 March 2013, 22:08:32
Hello, I'm very new to keyboards and group buys in general.. hopefully someone can help me out. From my understanding the GH60 will not be coming with a case or keys, which I will have to buy separately:

1. Will only certain plates work with specific cases?
  It's engineered to work with almost every 60% case out there.

Quote
2. Whats a popular layout that everyone's getting? I honestly don't know enough about keyboards to purchase one with an open mind.
What do you use now?
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3. When choosing switched it say's to leave it formatted quantity x item, I'm guessing this would mean the amount of keys on the keyboard and the switch type?
IE Cherry MX Browns? Exactly.
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4. Like I said I've never been in a group buy, but I've bought things with paypal before, I'm guessing once they send in my invoice I'll just have to pay for it through paypal?
Bingo, I'll send you an invoice through paypal and you'll pay it.
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5. Can someone give me a rough estimate on how much it would cost? with soldering, plate, assembly, and switches.
~$140 plus shipping and paypal fees.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fruktstund on Thu, 21 March 2013, 22:15:43
Just put in my order. I didn't think I'd buy one at all, but hell, I do need something smaller until I can buy a Hypermini with super crazy Realforce JIS layout. :>

I would love if you could post pictures of all plate layouts by the way, just to make sure I chose the right one. I'm 99.5% sure I did, but it's still a bit confusing. (For example, I don't think the ANSI 1.5x plate is "HHKB layout compatible" without the shorter right shift, but this might just be me being crazy)
Pretty sure you guys are working on it, but I thought I'd mention it just in case.

Also, it seems as if this group buy is attracting a lot more interest (and orders!) than the first Phantom round, which surely proves interest for custom keyboards (and 60% keyboards too of course) has risen dramatically the last year. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 21 March 2013, 22:25:43

2. Whats a popular layout that everyone's getting? I honestly don't know enough about keyboards to purchase one with an open mind.

3. When choosing switched it say's to leave it formatted quantity x item, I'm guessing this would mean the amount of keys on the keyboard and the switch type?


2. I'd say poker if you have no feelings any other way. It's like most keyboards, and any keycap set will work for you.

3. I think it means like 1 x brown (for one set of brown switches) but I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: calavera on Thu, 21 March 2013, 22:33:16
Who's doing the assembly state side?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Thu, 21 March 2013, 22:40:04
Quote
Jdcarpe and I will handle US assembly and distributions, komar will assemble and distribute for EU and the rest of the world (unless you have a personal request or already have prior arrangements)
by WFD

Who's doing the assembly state side?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ANDMYGUN on Thu, 21 March 2013, 22:53:06
Alright, thanks guy! I currently own a QFR Cherry MX Reds, hopefully these are the last questions I have:

1. I'm unsure which to get: Costar stabs, Plate-mounted, PCB-mounted cherry stabs, I'd really just like to be able to switch out key caps with the ones I bought from WASD.

2. Hypothetically lets say I where to buy:

GH60 PBC quantity: 1 - $40

Poker plate quantity: 1 - $16

Switches and stabilizers: Costar, 1 x Browns - ??

Assembly - $25

How much would I be paying for the Switches and stabilizers along with Paypal and shipping separately? I may be asking for to much, I'd just like to make sure I have enough cash when it comes to paying.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Shinryuu on Thu, 21 March 2013, 23:19:38
Thanks for making this GH60 thing possible. Order sent :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MarkPharaoh on Thu, 21 March 2013, 23:20:24
~$140 + shipping/fees.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 22 March 2013, 00:10:59

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Looking forward to number 2.

Or don't get a plate at all as it is not needed anyway and you don't have to worry about a thing!

Ivan Ivanovich are you using PCB mounted switches?

I feel rare because I don't intent to use any plate of the availables and won't be using any stabilizer but the spacebar one. Am I the only one with this idea in mind?  :p

I don't really know If I should get at least the universal ones in case I decide to change my mind.

By the way, I would like to know if the following layouts are actually possible in the GH60, I combined some with IvanIvanovich layout.

(http://i.imgur.com/ijoG8OV.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/tlxiJLm.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FpImUD3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/3qclSAZ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/RwbHFNZ.jpg)

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't work  since they are combining some of the layouts showed on the OP but it's better to ask. I guess none of the plates would work.

Maybe some of the ISO users and EU ANSI users would like them  ;D


Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: zeththedarkmage on Fri, 22 March 2013, 00:15:24
I'm really liking the winkeyless style but aren't 1.5x mods harder to find? Am I the only one around here who uses winkey+l to the computer? xD I like some of the other styles but will probably just go with poker so that keycap sets are easier to obtain. :))
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 00:20:04
Ivan Ivanovich are you using PCB mounted switches?

I feel rare because I don't intent to use any plate of the availables and won't be using any stabilizer but the spacebar one. Am I the only one with this idea in mind?  :p

I don't really know If I should get at least the universal ones in case I decide to change my mind.

By the way, I would like to know if the following layouts are actually possible in the GH60, I combined some with IvanIvanovich layout.

(snip)

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't work  since they are combining some of the layouts showed on the OP but it's better to ask. I guess none of the plates would work.

Maybe some of the ISO users and EU ANSI users would like them  ;D


Looks like all of those should work just fine, without a plate of course. But wouldn't you want to use a stabilizer on the 2.25 ANSI Enter, the ISO Enter, and 2.00 backspace?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Fri, 22 March 2013, 00:23:55


I feel rare because I don't intent to use any plate of the availables and won't be using any stabilizer but the spacebar one. Am I the only one with this idea in mind?  :p

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you have me on not using stabilizer. :P
currently, only right shift and spacebar have them on my poker. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 22 March 2013, 00:26:03
@ guilleguillaume - those look like they're all hybrids of the layouts posted in the OP. There's no way different plate can be offered for every layout, there are just too many possibilities. That's why you should just get the universal one, it'll accommodate to all hybrids you can think of.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 22 March 2013, 00:38:50

I feel rare because I don't intent to use any plate of the availables and won't be using any stabilizer but the spacebar one. Am I the only one with this idea in mind?  :p


you have me on not using stabilizer. :P
currently, only right shift and spacebar have them on my poker. :D

I'm not alone  :))

@ guilleguillaume - those look like they're all hybrids of the layouts posted in the OP. There's no way different plate can be offered for every layout, there are just too many possibilities. That's why you should just get the universal one, it'll accommodate to all hybrids you can think of.

I figured out  that. Was not my plan to make you create a plate that complicated.

I guess I should just get some universal plates like you say  in case someday I decide to make the keyboards plate mounted. It's better to buy things when you can instead of feeling bad later for not having what you need.

[wall of text and pictures]

Looks like all of those should work just fine, without a plate of course. But wouldn't you want to use a stabilizer on the 2.25 ANSI Enter, the ISO Enter, and 2.00 backspace?

Thank you!  ;D

I'm actually using my Poker X without any stabilizer on it except for the one on the Spacebar. So far I haven't encountered any problems and the only key that can feel weird sometimes  if you don't hit in the center of the key is the 2.75 RShift but after all I don't use it that much to annoy me and also I don't plan to use it in any of my GH60 so no problems at all.

I may want to use one for the ISO enter though, didn't think about that. For me it's a good thing to have the backspace split in 2 keys because I love the JIS layout and I don't have to use the Fn layer to use Esc or Tilde key like on the Poker.

I don't like the feel of the stabilizers and the horrible noise they produce sometimes. My Kmac mini has a lot of rattle in the stabilizers and I hate it. They are PCB mounted though but there's a plate so it may be for this reason  :))

The idea of creating the custom layout that suits my needs perfectly is amazing. With the Kmac mini I can do that but I'm limited to the physical layout what doesn't happen with the GH60 at all if I can do those physical layouts.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Also I would like to thank you all for making this possible. You really put a lot of effort for he community.

Excuse my walls of text  :-[
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 22 March 2013, 00:39:35
... (For example, I don't think the ANSI 1.5x plate is "HHKB layout compatible" without the shorter right shift, but this might just be me being crazy)
Pretty sure you guys are working on it, but I thought I'd mention it just in case.

Also, it seems as if this group buy is attracting a lot more interest (and orders!) than the first Phantom round, which surely proves interest for custom keyboards (and 60% keyboards too of course) has risen dramatically the last year. :)

I'm sorry, I made a huge mistake when writing the OP. It was actually written and pictures rendered almost a month ago, and at the time there were no split backspace. ANSI 1.5x plate doesn't have support for the short R-Shift + extra 1x key.

I'll have to add another plate option in the order form for a "True" HHKB, which will have it's own separate plate. This plate is the same as the ANSI/ISO 1.5x plate, except it will have a split R-shift and split backspace.



EDIT: oops what am I thinking, I'm second-guessing myself haha. There's already a Pure-style plate with 1.5x modifiers that will work in a HHKB layout. It just doesn't have a split backspace. If you truly want a split backspace for the 1.5x pure plate, mention this in the comments section of your order. if there are more than a couple, I can make a separate plate for it. Dorkvader already PM'ed me about this.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: vardhana on Fri, 22 March 2013, 01:21:44
EDIT: oops what am I thinking, I'm second-guessing myself haha. There's already a Pure-style plate with 1.5x modifiers that will work in a HHKB layout. It just doesn't have a split backspace. If you truly want a split backspace for the 1.5x pure plate, mention this in the comments section of your order. if there are more than a couple, I can make a separate plate for it. Dorkvader already PM'ed me about this.

I also want a split backspace for the 1.5x pure plate.
May I mention this in order form?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Fri, 22 March 2013, 01:30:49
... (For example, I don't think the ANSI 1.5x plate is "HHKB layout compatible" without the shorter right shift, but this might just be me being crazy)
Pretty sure you guys are working on it, but I thought I'd mention it just in case.

Also, it seems as if this group buy is attracting a lot more interest (and orders!) than the first Phantom round, which surely proves interest for custom keyboards (and 60% keyboards too of course) has risen dramatically the last year. :)

I'm sorry, I made a huge mistake when writing the OP. It was actually written and pictures rendered almost a month ago, and at the time there were no split backspace. ANSI 1.5x plate doesn't have support for the short R-Shift + extra 1x key.

I'll have to add another plate option in the order form for a "True" HHKB, which will have it's own separate plate. This plate is the same as the ANSI/ISO 1.5x plate, except it will have a split R-shift and split backspace.



EDIT: oops what am I thinking, I'm second-guessing myself haha. There's already a Pure-style plate with 1.5x modifiers that will work in a HHKB layout. It just doesn't have a split backspace. If you truly want a split backspace for the 1.5x pure plate, mention this in the comments section of your order. if there are more than a couple, I can make a separate plate for it. Dorkvader already PM'ed me about this.


Just changed my order to two of these.

Anyone interested in the ANSI pure 1.25 with split backspace? Ten we can use the various non thick PBT sets.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: developej on Fri, 22 March 2013, 03:01:38
i live in Serbia, Europe, and we don't have paypal here. i can only pay with VISA Virtuon. will this be possible?

if yes, i will also need help with order form:
Quote
Switches and stabilizers (stabilizers are in sets, each set is enough for 1 whole keyboard. Switches are per switch)
Costar stabs, Plate-mounted, PCB-mounted cherry stabs (specify spacebar wire size). The switch color you want. FORMAT: quantity x item
if i want a poker layout, is this how it should look:
61 x mx blue
1 x plate-mounted stabilizers

thanks!

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 22 March 2013, 03:55:11
8 pages in one day. O_O

Nice work on this guys, will def be ordering one.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 22 March 2013, 03:56:42
Will be ordering one later I guess, awesome to see this finally happening.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tranquilite on Fri, 22 March 2013, 04:15:27
Still deliberating getting the DIY PCB or not, but other wise most likely going to settle for universal ANSI plate. Should give me all kinds of layout options.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: dirge on Fri, 22 March 2013, 04:32:43
Great! order submitted!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Fred on Fri, 22 March 2013, 05:49:38
ISO pure (pure shift and 1.25x) will have to be on a universal plate? Or will the ISO 1.25x plate work?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 06:42:00
ISO pure (pure shift and 1.25x) will have to be on a universal plate? Or will the ISO 1.25x plate work?

You will need the universal ISO plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Fri, 22 March 2013, 06:45:07
How likely will it that we can have mx green? also what do stabiliser do sorry (& do we need them)? New to the whole DIY kb idea.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: vorn on Fri, 22 March 2013, 06:54:30
Ordered. Can't wait!!!!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: kaiserreich on Fri, 22 March 2013, 07:29:42
Is there a stencil planned for the ones choosing to self assemble?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 22 March 2013, 07:42:29
Is there a stencil planned for the ones choosing to self assemble?
Nope, gotta do it the old fashion way of SMD hand soldering. Or if you're using paste, you have to manually apply it to every pad, then use hot air afterwards. That's why I don't recommend it for saving $15.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 22 March 2013, 08:04:42
how many switches will be required for the hhkb ansi layout? i counted 59...can someone back me up?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 08:20:33
how many switches will be required for the hhkb ansi layout? i counted 59...can someone back me up?

Should be 60, if you use split backspace. Never hurts to order a few (2-4) extra switches, just in case.

Also, we will try to get any switch type requested. If we can't get the switch type you requested, we will contact you and let you know that.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Fred on Fri, 22 March 2013, 08:51:07
You will need the universal ISO plate.

Ok. 1.50x mods or universal plate with cherry stabs*? Decisions, decisions... haha.
Is split backspace available no matter what btw?

*No one seems to like cherry stabs. Apparently it was possible to cut away some excess plastic on them to make them feel better though.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 22 March 2013, 08:54:24
how many switches will be required for the hhkb ansi layout? i counted 59...can someone back me up?

Should be 60, if you use split backspace. Never hurts to order a few (2-4) extra switches, just in case.

Also, we will try to get any switch type requested. If we can't get the switch type you requested, we will contact you and let you know that.

i counted 59 from here
(http://i.imgur.com/0bH7jN4.png)

and i just want it exactly as it is in the pic. also, i know you guys mentioned 7bit, should i make a DT account and message him directly for requesting switches or post in the thread you linked?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Fri, 22 March 2013, 08:55:34
does anyone have the dimensions of the GH60 ? Also would anyone like a case made out of an ammo box?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 22 March 2013, 08:59:09
and i just want it exactly as it is in the pic. also, i know you guys mentioned 7bit, should i make a DT account and message him directly for requesting switches or post in the thread you linked?

Switches will be cheaper or equally cheap within this group buy. So you should order here instead of directly from me (unless you want to order in-stock stuff from me).

I try to make sure that all switch types which are currently produced will be available even if there are not so many orders for some types.



Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Turkishrambo on Fri, 22 March 2013, 09:02:17
what key sets do you plan on using for you GH60's? Im thinking i might use the retro set, idk yet O:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 09:07:01
does anyone have the dimensions of the GH60 ? Also would anyone like a case made out of an ammo box?

The PCB and plates should be about 286mm x 94mm. Do you need exact measurements?

I would be interested in the ammo box case. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: regack on Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:23:43
Woohoo! got my order form filled out...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:31:22
Also want to add this: If you order assembly service, you should not order "DIY" PCBs. DIY means you're going to assemble everything yourself, including the SMD components.

If you need to change your order, please submit a request using this (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform) form.

Thanks! :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:36:00
Also want to add this: If you order assembly service, you should not order "DIY" PCBs. DIY means you're going to assemble everything yourself, including the SMD components.

If you need to change your order, please submit a request using this (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform) form.

Thanks! :D

should we be putting all other information in the comments section? aka like layout we want and LEDs

i want the hhkb layout, but i think i want a normal right shift instead of a small pure one, just because it's a pain to get a 1.75x shift key for keycap sets. i might map the fn down to one of the meta keys instead.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: developej on Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:36:34
don't want to be annoying :D
i live in Serbia, Europe, and we don't have paypal here. i can only pay with VISA Virtuon. will this be possible?

if yes, i will also need help with order form:
Quote
Switches and stabilizers (stabilizers are in sets, each set is enough for 1 whole keyboard. Switches are per switch)
Costar stabs, Plate-mounted, PCB-mounted cherry stabs (specify spacebar wire size). The switch color you want. FORMAT: quantity x item
if i want a poker layout, is this how it should look:
61 x mx blue
1 x plate-mounted stabilizers

thanks!

thanks!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:48:36
don't want to be annoying :D
i live in Serbia, Europe, and we don't have paypal here. i can only pay with VISA Virtuon. will this be possible?

if yes, i will also need help with order form:
Quote
Switches and stabilizers (stabilizers are in sets, each set is enough for 1 whole keyboard. Switches are per switch)
Costar stabs, Plate-mounted, PCB-mounted cherry stabs (specify spacebar wire size). The switch color you want. FORMAT: quantity x item
if i want a poker layout, is this how it should look:
61 x mx blue
1 x plate-mounted stabilizers

thanks!

thanks!

Sorry, not trying to ignore you, but I don't know if that's possible or not. tjcaustin will be invoicing and collecting payments, and he is only accepting payment via Paypal. Perhaps komar007 might be willing to accept your payment, as he is located in Poland, and would be shipping your order. But you would have to ask him directly.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: vorn on Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:50:28
Hmm.. also, for the Assembly Service... it's a radio button. I've ordered 2 boards and want them both assembled. so thats $25 x 2. Should this have a Qty field? Or just put that in the Comments/notes?

I think the bulk of the instruction is going to be in the Comments/notes field. Layout, switch configuration, etc. The rest of the fields are mainly useful for consolidating the orders.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gropingmantis on Fri, 22 March 2013, 11:52:29
Got my switches all ready and my keycaps. PCB and plate order placed. Now to source a nice case...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Fri, 22 March 2013, 11:53:17
Form filled out! :)
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Luke on Fri, 22 March 2013, 12:10:33
Got my switches all ready and my keycaps. PCB and plate order placed. Now to source a nice case...

Exactly the same! xD
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: developej on Fri, 22 March 2013, 12:43:13
don't want to be annoying :D
i live in Serbia, Europe, and we don't have paypal here. i can only pay with VISA Virtuon. will this be possible?

if yes, i will also need help with order form:
Quote
Switches and stabilizers (stabilizers are in sets, each set is enough for 1 whole keyboard. Switches are per switch)
Costar stabs, Plate-mounted, PCB-mounted cherry stabs (specify spacebar wire size). The switch color you want. FORMAT: quantity x item
if i want a poker layout, is this how it should look:
61 x mx blue
1 x plate-mounted stabilizers

thanks!

thanks!

Sorry, not trying to ignore you, but I don't know if that's possible or not. tjcaustin will be invoicing and collecting payments, and he is only accepting payment via Paypal. Perhaps komar007 might be willing to accept your payment, as he is located in Poland, and would be shipping your order. But you would have to ask him directly.

ok, thanks!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Brown on Fri, 22 March 2013, 12:45:47
Would the ANSI 1.5x or Poker plate be easier to find keycaps for?  So many decisions D:  How many switches would I need?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Plater on Fri, 22 March 2013, 12:46:08
Ordered placed, can't wait until I get my hands on these bad boys! And also, Can't wait for the aluminum case!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjweir on Fri, 22 March 2013, 13:42:00
Ordered 2 x Samwisekoi's layout.

Now to find a buyer for my ErgoDox.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: clstyle on Fri, 22 March 2013, 14:13:18
ordered~!!! now i waiting for next step. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 22 March 2013, 15:21:24
All of these layout except MAX keys layout is easy to find keys for in GMK modifiers groupbuy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.0) :D
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 15:24:33
All of these layout except MAX keys layout is easy to find keys for in GMK modifiers groupbuy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.0) :D

Finally some shameless self promotion I can get behind! ;D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:06:38
Does anyone know where I can get some custom HHKB style keys?
I mean the way they have other functions printed on the side facing the user.

Like this: http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/pdkb400ws_corner1000_th0x0.jpg

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Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jksteger on Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:08:58
I'm a GH newbie, I want to order one, I want a HHKB 'clone' with Cherry MX Brown switches and MX black for the keyboard but I know nothing about how to configure this.  :eek:

Can someone please help me out.   ;D with what to put in the order form?

Sorry, i'm learning and will get there soon.

Thanks a zillion GH'ers!!!!

Jeremy
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:16:50
I'm a GH newbie, I want to order one, I want a HHKB 'clone' with Cherry MX Brown switches and MX black for the keyboard but I know nothing about how to configure this.  :eek:

Can someone please help me out.   ;D with what to put in the order form?

Sorry, i'm learning and will get there soon.

Thanks a zillion GH'ers!!!!

Jeremy

If you want a plate (optional), the one you want is not on the order form, yet. WFD needs to update the form with the "HHKB" plate. Other than that, you need a GH60 PCB (not DIY), 60 switches, and stabilizers (PCB mount Cherry). Assembly service if you don't plan to solder the switches (and install the optional plate) to the PCB. Not sure what you mean by "with Cherry MX Brown switches and MX black for the keyboard."
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Winther on Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:44:50
If I want "ISO 1.25x" and a plate, I need plate mounted stabilizers right?

does none of the stabs come with the wires?

will the firmware support nordic letters?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:56:34

will the firmware support nordic letters?
Is doesn't have to, the translation from standard key codes to actual letter happens on the OS side, so no need to worry.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:57:46
When are these expected to begin being produced? I think I read someone say September or October... Could someone clarify this? :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:14:55
That would be the optimistic side of me that wrote this.
No idea.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jksteger on Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:19:35
I'm a GH newbie, I want to order one, I want a HHKB 'clone' with Cherry MX Brown switches and MX black for the keyboard but I know nothing about how to configure this.  :eek:

Can someone please help me out.   ;D with what to put in the order form?

Sorry, i'm learning and will get there soon.

Thanks a zillion GH'ers!!!!

Jeremy

If you want a plate (optional), the one you want is not on the order form, yet. WFD needs to update the form with the "HHKB" plate. Other than that, you need a GH60 PCB (not DIY), 60 switches, and stabilizers (PCB mount Cherry). Assembly service if you don't plan to solder the switches (and install the optional plate) to the PCB. Not sure what you mean by "with Cherry MX Brown switches and MX black for the keyboard."

Thanks so much, I meant to say a cherry mx black for the spacebar!  d'oah!!!

Thanks so much!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jksteger on Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:27:26
Thanks jdcarpe,
I've filled out the order form with what you suggested!

thanks,
Jeremy
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ANDMYGUN on Fri, 22 March 2013, 18:34:02
hey guys, can you tell me if this is right?

GH60 PBC quantity: 1

Poker plate quantity: 1

Switches and stabilizers: 61 x MX Browns,

Assembly service: Yes

I'm unsure about the stabilizers can someone help me out there?


Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 18:39:57
hey guys, can you tell me if this is right?

GH60 PBC quantity: 1

Poker plate quantity: 1

Switches and stabilizers: 61 x MX Browns,

Assembly service: Yes

I'm unsure about the stabilizers can someone help me out there?

Correct. For stabilizers, get 1 x Cherry PCB
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 22 March 2013, 19:46:46
hey guys, can you tell me if this is right?

GH60 PBC quantity: 1

Poker plate quantity: 1

Switches and stabilizers: 61 x MX Browns,

Assembly service: Yes

I'm unsure about the stabilizers can someone help me out there?

Correct. For stabilizers, get 1 x Cherry PCB

it says we have to include spacebar wire size.. should i just put 7x?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: myndzi on Fri, 22 March 2013, 22:07:22
Sent an update to my order in support of split backspace Pure plate :)

One more question. I can, through this group buy, get everything except the case and keycaps? I see that WFD has a case thing going soon too. Do I need to source some keycaps or can I basically just camp out in this thread and wind up with a complete working keyboard?

It's really cool to see this happen, what with all the people coming together to get it all done. You guys are great.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 22 March 2013, 22:09:22
There are enough keycap group buys going on now, along with planned to be done by the time you have this in your hands to not worry about them coming to this gb.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Brown on Fri, 22 March 2013, 22:43:00
hey guys, can you tell me if this is right?

GH60 PBC quantity: 1

Poker plate quantity: 1

Switches and stabilizers: 61 x MX Browns,

Assembly service: Yes

I'm unsure about the stabilizers can someone help me out there?

Correct. For stabilizers, get 1 x Cherry PCB

Would you be able to use Costar (Plate Mount) Stabilizers on it or no?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 March 2013, 23:33:40
hey guys, can you tell me if this is right?

GH60 PBC quantity: 1

Poker plate quantity: 1

Switches and stabilizers: 61 x MX Browns,

Assembly service: Yes

I'm unsure about the stabilizers can someone help me out there?

Correct. For stabilizers, get 1 x Cherry PCB

it says we have to include spacebar wire size.. should i just put 7x?

Sorry, for Poker layout (any with 1.25) get 6.25x wire.

Also, for 1.50 layouts, get 7x wire.

Yes, plate mount stabs including Costar will work with all these plates. You might need to do a little bit of sanding or grinding, as the plate is 0.0625" thick, and Costar spec is for 0.060"
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: vardhana on Sat, 23 March 2013, 07:18:04
I'm a GH newbie, I want to order one, I want a HHKB 'clone' with Cherry MX Brown switches and MX black for the keyboard but I know nothing about how to configure this.  :eek:

Can someone please help me out.   ;D with what to put in the order form?

Sorry, i'm learning and will get there soon.

Thanks a zillion GH'ers!!!!

Jeremy

If you want a plate (optional), the one you want is not on the order form, yet. WFD needs to update the form with the "HHKB" plate. Other than that, you need a GH60 PCB (not DIY), 60 switches, and stabilizers (PCB mount Cherry). Assembly service if you don't plan to solder the switches (and install the optional plate) to the PCB. Not sure what you mean by "with Cherry MX Brown switches and MX black for the keyboard."

Will be order form updated?
WFD said;

blablabla...

EDIT: oops what am I thinking, I'm second-guessing myself haha. There's already a Pure-style plate with 1.5x modifiers that will work in a HHKB layout. It just doesn't have a split backspace. If you truly want a split backspace for the 1.5x pure plate, mention this in the comments section of your order. if there are more than a couple, I can make a separate plate for it. Dorkvader already PM'ed me about this.


I'm confused.
What should people who want truly HHKB layout (split Backspace) plate do?
Wait for form update? Order with comment?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 23 March 2013, 07:24:48
hey guys, can you tell me if this is right?

GH60 PBC quantity: 1

Poker plate quantity: 1

Switches and stabilizers: 61 x MX Browns,


Assembly service: Yes

I'm unsure about the stabilizers can someone help me out there?

Correct. For stabilizers, get 1 x Cherry PCB

it says we have to include spacebar wire size.. should i just put 7x?

Sorry, for Poker layout (any with 1.25) get 6.25x wire.

Also, for 1.50 layouts, get 7x wire.

Yes, plate mount stabs including Costar will work with all these plates. You might need to do a little bit of sanding or grinding, as the plate is 0.0625" thick, and Costar spec is for 0.060"

Alright cool jd. I'm getting 1.5 ANSI plate, so should I mention a 7x wire in the switch/stabilizer section? And how hard are 7x spacebars to find? :0
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 23 March 2013, 08:32:29
What are people thinking for switch layouts on these? I have downloaded one of the mockups and thought about where I want my browns and blues etc. I'm just wondering what other people doing? Anyone have a crazy switch layout planned?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Acanthophis on Sat, 23 March 2013, 09:09:06
Is there a way to review one's order?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eon on Sat, 23 March 2013, 09:33:39
If I want a 1.5 ansi layout with 1.75 shift, seems only the universal plate fits, right ?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 23 March 2013, 09:36:01
Will be order form updated?

I'm confused.
What should people who want truly HHKB layout (split Backspace) plate do?
Wait for form update? Order with comment?

For now, order with comment, please.


Alright cool jd. I'm getting 1.5 ANSI plate, so should I mention a 7x wire in the switch/stabilizer section? And how hard are 7x spacebars to find? :0

Yes, ask for 7x wire in the switch/stabilizer section. You can find 7x spacebars (and 1.5x mods) with the tsangan kits on every keycap set GB.


Is there a way to review one's order?

Sent you a PM with your current order.


If I want a 1.5 ansi layout with 1.75 shift, seems only the universal plate fits, right ?

Yes, this is correct. You can also put your desired layout in the comments section, in case others want a plate with the same option, we will know how many are interested.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eon on Sat, 23 March 2013, 09:55:01
If I want a 1.5 ansi layout with 1.75 shift, seems only the universal plate fits, right ?

Yes, this is correct. You can also put your desired layout in the comments section, in case others want a plate with the same option, we will know how many are interested.

What do you mean by the comments section ? There's a thread for that ? THanks
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 23 March 2013, 09:56:33
What do you mean by the comments section ? There's a thread for that ? THanks

On the order form :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: whiskytango on Sat, 23 March 2013, 13:32:13
If I want a 1.5 ansi layout with 1.75 shift, seems only the universal plate fits, right ?

There's this option on the order form: ANSI 1.5x (pure shift) plate quantity, short R-shift, WKL and HHKB compatible

Isn't this what you're talking about?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eon on Sat, 23 March 2013, 13:52:40
Right that should do it, thanks. This plate isn't listed on this thread though
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 23 March 2013, 19:54:36
JD could I get an order review as well. I should check it and in a few days I'll make sure I've got it updated/correct. A lot of info on here has got me thinking I jumped the gun on my order.  :p
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 23 March 2013, 20:57:30
If we want Dragon's case for the hhkb layout and top, are we going to have to order everything seperate? i am hearing that if we want to get Dragon's future case (which looks like the best option for the hhkb layout) we will have to order all gh60 parts separate and un-assembled, and then build it ourselfs? what is going to be the actual process?  do i need to order the case first or the parts? how will they be integrated together?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:24:12
JD could I get an order review as well. I should check it and in a few days I'll make sure I've got it updated/correct. A lot of info on here has got me thinking I jumped the gun on my order.  :p

Sent you a PM with your order. :)


If we want Dragon's case for the hhkb layout and top, are we going to have to order everything seperate? i am hearing that if we want to get Dragon's future case (which looks like the best option for the hhkb layout) we will have to order all gh60 parts separate and un-assembled, and then build it ourselfs? what is going to be the actual process?  do i need to order the case first or the parts? how will they be integrated together?

You should order the GH60 parts now, and you can order WFD's case later, when he starts the GB for it. It will have an integrated plate available, but you can also use these plates with his case, as they have the standoffs for it. If you use the plate (or no plate) from this GB, all you would have to do to install it in his case is use a few screws to assemble it. Or you could wait, and someone will be able o assemble everything, including the integrated plate, for you after the cases ship.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: poopmat on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:26:40
i feel like a retard
so pardon my ignorance
 i want to get something like a poker with clear switches
i dont know what to order
pls help
thanks

Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:37:20
i feel like a retard
so pardon my ignorance
 i want to get something like a poker with clear switches
i dont know what to order
pls help
thanks

If you want the same setup as a Poker, you should order the GH60 PCB, 61x MX Clear switches, 1x Cherry PCB mount stabilizers, and assembly service (if desired). Poker plate is optional. You would have to source a case for it outside the GB.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Trueno86 on Sun, 24 March 2013, 01:24:15
I think I messed up my form, should have read the thread first (the switches and stabilizers section) Should I submit a new one?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Sun, 24 March 2013, 01:28:24
I think I messed up my form, should have read the thread first (the switches and stabilizers section) Should I submit a new one?
There is a second link to modify orders in the original post.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: realex on Sun, 24 March 2013, 05:32:41
someone talented should come up with nicer logo so we can have shadovved go to work on massive sticker production.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Sun, 24 March 2013, 07:45:29
There has already been an IC for some time now:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38906.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38906.0)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Fred on Sun, 24 March 2013, 08:00:45
So can we get split backspace on any plate or how does it work?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjweir on Sun, 24 March 2013, 08:57:37
So can we get split backspace on any plate or how does it work?

Take a look at the last example, GH60 (max keys).
The backspace is split.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Sun, 24 March 2013, 12:34:54
Does anyone know where I can get some custom HHKB style keys?
I mean the way they have other functions printed on the side facing the user.

Like this: http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/pdkb400ws_corner1000_th0x0.jpg

[/slightlyofftopic]

If you check out WASD keyboards they offer "custom" key caps and can do dual row key prints on single unit keys that allows you to label your function layer, although it is not side printed it should suffice if you need discrete labeling.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Sun, 24 March 2013, 12:41:12
Alright i got my new keycaps from WASD with the new colors too so here they are my two phantoms complete minus custom MM cable.


Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine/IMG_2440.jpg)


Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine/IMG_2444.jpg)


See the above for an example. Prof did this for his phantoms.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: v4mp1 on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:11:38
What about 1000hz polling?  ;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:23:32
So can we get split backspace on any plate or how does it work?

The only plates with split backspace are the Universal plates (ANSI and ISO), and the GH60 (max keys). You can request split backspace for ANSI Pure 1.50, so that it exactly matches the HHKB layout.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:25:03
What about 1000hz polling?  ;)
Who needs that?:D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: v4mp1 on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:40:28
Me xD
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:45:23
Me xD

I think the question was more one of "Why would anyone need that?"
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:49:24
Me xD
I have a deal for you.
Buy the GH60, and then I'll prepare 10 versions of firmware for you (if I manage to do 1000Hz). If you correctly tell which 5 of them are 1000Hz, I'll refund your GH60 PCB.;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:54:56
Hmm. Anyone know which case would be best for an ISO HHKB layout? Even some old plastic cases would be fine.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:59:22
1000hz polling

wut
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Fred on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:59:41
The only plates with split backspace are the Universal plates (ANSI and ISO), and the GH60 (max keys). You can request split backspace for ANSI Pure 1.50, so that it exactly matches the HHKB layout.
Gotcha, I should go for universal ISO then. 1.25x, pure shift and split backspace! This can surely not go wrong.


Edit: Which switches can we assume will be readily available? Is it possible to get some greens and clears?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: v4mp1 on Sun, 24 March 2013, 15:15:05
Me xD
I have a deal for you.
Buy the GH60, and then I'll prepare 10 versions of firmware for you (if I manage to do 1000Hz). If you correctly tell which 5 of them are 1000Hz, I'll refund your GH60 PCB.;)

Deal!  :cool:

But first test if you are able to manage the 1000hz. If yes, i buy a pcb :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Index on Sun, 24 March 2013, 16:01:06
Curious, what is the kro on the GH60?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Sun, 24 March 2013, 17:02:31
Currently no limitations. Any numbers of keys is registered at the same time.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ishumprod on Sun, 24 March 2013, 17:38:25
Currently no limitations. Any numbers of keys is registered at the same time.

terran facerolling mode : activated
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: OnTheBrink on Sun, 24 March 2013, 19:34:43
Really want a custom poker but I do not know how to solder.
is there a way I can buy one and someone can put it together for me?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glissant on Sun, 24 March 2013, 19:38:21
Order the assembly service in the order form :).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 24 March 2013, 19:41:23
Really want a custom poker but I do not know how to solder.
is there a way I can buy one and someone can put it together for me?
At least a dozen folks on here that can do that or you can pay 25 bucks to have it done before it ships to you.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: OnTheBrink on Sun, 24 March 2013, 20:01:05
Order the assembly service in the order form :).

Perfect! Ordering now.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tarzan on Sun, 24 March 2013, 20:19:04
Ordered enough parts to assemble two Poker boards.  (I think...)

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: OnTheBrink on Sun, 24 March 2013, 20:21:45
So I ordered. I hope I did so correctly.
In terms of keys, are we on our own with that or can we order sets?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Sun, 24 March 2013, 20:33:08
So I ordered. I hope I did so correctly.
In terms of keys, are we on our own with that or can we order sets?

SOOOO many group buys happening with keys right now (or just happened) :P
Just make sure that the GH60 layout you picked is compatible with the keys you buy or vice versa
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: justin one on Sun, 24 March 2013, 21:29:02
How does the  function layer work with this? Is it possible to program it to be exactly like the Poker (dedicated fn key, LEDs, etc)?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Sun, 24 March 2013, 21:33:41
Me xD
I have a deal for you.
Buy the GH60, and then I'll prepare 10 versions of firmware for you (if I manage to do 1000Hz). If you correctly tell which 5 of them are 1000Hz, I'll refund your GH60 PCB.;)

Couldn't that just be tested in software?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: OnTheBrink on Sun, 24 March 2013, 23:34:28
So I ordered. I hope I did so correctly.
In terms of keys, are we on our own with that or can we order sets?

SOOOO many group buys happening with keys right now (or just happened) :P
Just make sure that the GH60 layout you picked is compatible with the keys you buy or vice versa

I reallyyyy want the Retro TKLRGBYSYM for my GH60
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=28363.0


Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: RickyJ on Sun, 24 March 2013, 23:39:57
What about 1000hz polling?  ;)

I advise taking the red pill.  Escape this world of spoon-fed marketing BS you've subscribed yourself to. ;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: v4mp1 on Mon, 25 March 2013, 01:46:43
I feel the difference between 125hz, 500hz and 1000hz when it comes to mice.

And no it is not placebo.

But I don't tested the same with keyboards, but having 1000hz on a keyboard can't be that wrong.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Mon, 25 March 2013, 02:09:53
No, you can not feel the difference on a keyboard! You would have to type so inhumanly fast for it to matter in the slightest, and since you only have 10 fingers it wouldn't ever be possible.
Your mouse is a different story because it involves a much different input.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Mon, 25 March 2013, 02:20:42
No, you can not feel the difference on a keyboard! You would have to type so inhumanly fast for it to matter in the slightest, and since you only have 10 fingers it wouldn't ever be possible.
Your mouse is a different story because it involves a much different input.

^
Would need an X and Y axis for mouse + lift distance + all that extra stuff apart from just pressing keys
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: plastboks on Mon, 25 March 2013, 03:14:50
This is such a great community. I can't wait to receive it and start hacking  ;D
Ordered two sets.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 25 March 2013, 04:06:59
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

HHKB ANSI...............................................................................Samwisekoi
[attach=1][attach=2]




Lastly, I was gone for a day, came back and there were tons of PMs (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/21PMs.png) waiting. I noticed a lot of questions were the same, so if you have questions, please post them in this thread instead. They've either already been answered, or other people have the same questions. I don't have time to answer this many redundant PMs per day. I also gotten a couple of emails and I have no idea who sent those because GH does not forward your account name. Use PMs if you need to reach me.

I'll put an ordering example in the OP if you're new and don't know exactly what to order. If you need an order changed, fill out THIS form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform) instead. It cuts back on PMs, and I can change your order whenever I have time. If you PM me, I might miss it because once I click on the first PM, they all get marked as read.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 25 March 2013, 07:32:40
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

HHKB ANSI...............................................................................Samwisekoi
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

If i want a HHKB layout with a normal sized right shift and normal sized backspace, should i be ordering the ANSI 1.5x?


Lastly, I was gone for a day, came back and there were tons of PMs (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/21PMs.png) waiting. I noticed a lot of questions were the same, so if you have questions, please post them in this thread instead. They've either already been answered, or other people have the same questions. I don't have time to answer this many redundant PMs per day. I also gotten a couple of emails and I have no idea who sent those because GH does not forward your account name. Use PMs if you need to reach me.

I'll put an ordering example in the OP if you're new and don't know exactly what to order. If you need an order changed, fill out THIS form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform) instead. It cuts back on PMs, and I can change your order whenever I have time. If you PM me, I might miss it because once I click on the first PM, they all get marked as read.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 25 March 2013, 07:33:31
If i want a HHKB layout with a normal sized right shift and normal sized backspace, should i be ordering the ANSI 1.5x?

You got it.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 25 March 2013, 07:37:50
If i want a HHKB layout with a normal sized right shift and normal sized backspace, should i be ordering the ANSI 1.5x?

You got it.

yeah i think i messed up my quote but thanks!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: clstyle on Mon, 25 March 2013, 08:25:05
i'm not sure my order was correct.

poker pcb w/ smd x 1
poker plate x 1
pcb stabilizer x1
blue sw x 61
assemble x 1

if any problem, please let me know.
thank you. ;D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: plastboks on Mon, 25 March 2013, 08:39:17
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

HHKB ANSI...............................................................................Samwisekoi
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)




Lastly, I was gone for a day, came back and there were tons of PMs (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/21PMs.png) waiting. I noticed a lot of questions were the same, so if you have questions, please post them in this thread instead. They've either already been answered, or other people have the same questions. I don't have time to answer this many redundant PMs per day. I also gotten a couple of emails and I have no idea who sent those because GH does not forward your account name. Use PMs if you need to reach me.

I'll put an ordering example in the OP if you're new and don't know exactly what to order. If you need an order changed, fill out THIS form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform) instead. It cuts back on PMs, and I can change your order whenever I have time. If you PM me, I might miss it because once I click on the first PM, they all get marked as read.

This left be a little confused. I would like a HHKB like the original, but can't see the "Dedicated HHKB" plate in the order form. I have ordered a "ANSI 1.5x (pure shift)", but assume this isn't correct?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 25 March 2013, 09:05:21
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

HHKB ANSI...............................................................................Samwisekoi
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)



Lastly, I was gone for a day, came back and there were tons of PMs (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/21PMs.png) waiting. I noticed a lot of questions were the same, so if you have questions, please post them in this thread instead. They've either already been answered, or other people have the same questions. I don't have time to answer this many redundant PMs per day. I also gotten a couple of emails and I have no idea who sent those because GH does not forward your account name. Use PMs if you need to reach me.

I'll put an ordering example in the OP if you're new and don't know exactly what to order. If you need an order changed, fill out THIS form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform) instead. It cuts back on PMs, and I can change your order whenever I have time. If you PM me, I might miss it because once I click on the first PM, they all get marked as read.

This left be a little confused. I would like a HHKB like the original, but can't see the "Dedicated HHKB" plate in the order form. I have ordered a "ANSI 1.5x (pure shift)", but assume this isn't correct?

I am pretty sure for the HHKB Layout you can order either ANSI 1.5x or ANSI 1.5x PURE SHIFT, depending on the size of the right shift you want. i think the problem most people will find with the hhkb layout is finding a case that will fit it correctly. i think i am going to get WFD's case, because that is the only one i see that will fit it
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 25 March 2013, 10:11:53
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

Samwisekoi
(Attachment Link)


Thank you very much!

Also, FYI to all, I am going to open up a Klaxon/GH60++/RGBY Mods group buy to support all of the GH60 configurations.
[attach=1]

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 25 March 2013, 10:31:25
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

Samwisekoi
(Attachment Link)


Thank you very much!

Also, FYI to all, I am going to open up a Klaxon/GH60++/RGBY Mods group buy to support all of the GH60 configurations.
(Attachment Link)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

 :D ;D that would be awesome
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 25 March 2013, 10:47:43
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

Samwisekoi
(Attachment Link)


Thank you very much!

Also, FYI to all, I am going to open up a Klaxon/GH60++/RGBY Mods group buy to support all of the GH60 configurations.
(Attachment Link)

 - Ron | samwisekoi


If you can add a split enter for the Gh60 config would be great.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: bpiphany on Mon, 25 March 2013, 10:57:43
Me xD
I have a deal for you.
Buy the GH60, and then I'll prepare 10 versions of firmware for you (if I manage to do 1000Hz). If you correctly tell which 5 of them are 1000Hz, I'll refund your GH60 PCB.;)

Deal!  :cool:

But first test if you are able to manage the 1000hz. If yes, i buy a pcb :D

I did far more than 1kHz sampling with my own code, different keyboard, a fair bit simpler but still without trying very hard. I measured that with an oscilloscope while the keyboard was "idling". When communicating with the computer that may decrease a bit. But no, 1kHz ultra polling is completely pointless. There are far more interesting compromises.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 25 March 2013, 10:58:26
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

Samwisekoi
(Attachment Link)



Thank you very much!

Also, FYI to all, I am going to open up a Klaxon/GH60++/RGBY Mods group buy to support all of the GH60 configurations.
(Attachment Link)

 - Ron | samwisekoi


If you can add a split enter for the Gh60 config would be great.

he said all GH60 Configurations
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 25 March 2013, 11:01:40
Yeah I was just looking at the picture.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 25 March 2013, 11:17:40
I feel the difference between 125hz, 500hz and 1000hz when it comes to mice.

And no it is not placebo.

But I don't tested the same with keyboards, but having 1000hz on a keyboard can't be that wrong.

As said, mice are a completely different story. Keyboards don't have to transmit nearly as much data, and timing isn't as critical. Why have 1ms response time when the controller has to spend ~30ms to debounce the switch?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 25 March 2013, 12:16:02
If you can add a split enter for the Gh60 config would be great.

So do you mean a 1.25 Row 3 "Enter" and a 1.00 Row 3 keycap with a different legend?

In what, White on Red?  (My palette is Red, Blue, Green, Yellow and White.)

I can add those keys, and I already have pricing; I just need to know exactly what you want.  And, of course, volume determines cost.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: morpheus on Mon, 25 March 2013, 12:18:38
Quick question:

I'm still confused about the pricing.

If I want a GH60 with Red MX in the Poker design, all assembled...how much would it cost in $US + shipping to US?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 25 March 2013, 12:23:10
If you can add a split enter for the Gh60 config would be great.

So do you mean a 1.25 Row 3 "Enter" and a 1.00 Row 3 keycap with a different legend?

In what, White on Red?  (My palette is Red, Blue, Green, Yellow and White.)

I can add those keys, and I already have pricing; I just need to know exactly what you want.  And, of course, volume determines cost.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


Yeah, 1x and 1.25x on Row 3 for the enter key as well as L.Shift with 1x, 1.25, and 1x backspace. White on Red is perfect for my Klaxon set =D

Also for the R.Shift 1.75x and 1x - I didn't get the tsangan set for Klaxon
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pasph on Mon, 25 March 2013, 14:13:40
+1 for a 1.25 Row 3 "Enter" in any color gets better price
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Fred on Mon, 25 March 2013, 14:14:00
Hope I got the ordering right. Baylife!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: miscsubbin on Mon, 25 March 2013, 16:41:35
Hey I'm pretty new here and I was wondering if something like this would ever show up again (I'm not in the position to be buying a new keyboard now). If not,  what would I need to buy now that I wouldn't be able to in the future? PCB, plate, case (let's hope not)? That way I could buy as little as possible, and then finish it when I have the money.

Thanks, a lot.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Mon, 25 March 2013, 16:56:40
Hey I'm pretty new here and I was wondering if something like this would ever show up again (I'm not in the position to be buying a new keyboard now). If not,  what would I need to buy now that I wouldn't be able to in the future? PCB, plate, case (let's hope not)? That way I could buy as little as possible, and then finish it when I have the money.

Thanks, a lot.

Sounds about right.
But if you are really strapped for cash, you can do without the plate, but then just note that you have to buy PCB-mounted switches then. (Plate-mounted switches will not work without a plate).
Tinlong has an interest check for plastic cases, so they should be a lot cheaper than the aluminium ones. Not nearly as nice, but cheaper :P
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 25 March 2013, 18:24:20
Can someone tell me the size of the LED required to fit in a cherry switch LED hole? Thanks.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Mon, 25 March 2013, 18:30:44
Can someone tell me the size of the LED required to fit in a cherry switch LED hole? Thanks.
t1 aka 3mm
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 25 March 2013, 18:59:08
That's T1
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Mon, 25 March 2013, 20:43:40
That's T1
oops my bad but still 3mm
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: OnTheBrink on Mon, 25 March 2013, 21:05:19
I would like to add LEDs to my keys but I have mine being pre-built. Is this possible?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: LifeZ on Mon, 25 March 2013, 22:02:38
GH60 GREAT!
ALL LAY-OUT Compatible
....GOOD

I drawing to GH60 mix layout..

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Lugoues on Tue, 26 March 2013, 00:20:34
UPDATE:
 Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.
Noooooo  :-[
Hmmm... now what do I pick
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ItsBc on Tue, 26 March 2013, 03:43:08

Thank you very much!

Also, FYI to all, I am going to open up a Klaxon/GH60++/RGBY Mods group buy to support all of the GH60 configurations.
(Attachment Link)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

awesome  :-*
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: BimboBB on Tue, 26 March 2013, 05:52:28
UPDATE:

There has been a few requests for a dedicated HHKB plate, so I just added one for ANSI. It has split backspace and R-shift. Also Samwisekoi requested his layout changed, so it now has a split L-shift (1.25x + 1x). The OP will now reflect these changes, and the order form will now have that additional dedicated HHKB plate.

HHKB ANSI...............................................................................Samwisekoi
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)


@WFD

can you make this "dedicated HHKB-plate" for ISO as well? (i mean including a split backspace)

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: blueasjim on Tue, 26 March 2013, 08:08:40
If there's an assembly service, will this include soldering? I'm very interested in this but no skill in soldering.  :eek:
Thanks
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Tue, 26 March 2013, 08:18:51
If there's an assembly service, will this include soldering? I'm very interested in this but no skill in soldering.  :eek:
Thanks

yes. it will include
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 26 March 2013, 08:19:07
If there's an assembly service, will this include soldering? I'm very interested in this but no skill in soldering.  :eek:
Thanks

Yes, assembly service gets you an assembled GH60, no soldering required.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: blueasjim on Tue, 26 March 2013, 08:22:06
If there's an assembly service, will this include soldering? I'm very interested in this but no skill in soldering.  :eek:
Thanks

Yes, assembly service gets you an assembled GH60, no soldering required.

Whoa. I'm not seeing a down side to this at all!
I will place order once we get home. Thx for swift replies jd & Sai
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 26 March 2013, 08:29:21
I would like to add LEDs to my keys but I have mine being pre-built. Is this possible?

No.  It does not support LEDs
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 26 March 2013, 08:33:40
I would like to add LEDs to my keys but I have mine being pre-built. Is this possible?

No.  It does not support LEDs

The GH60 does not support full backlighting. This was done by design, as backlighting was not one of the objectives of the project.

As of Rev. A of the PCB, the only LED supported is Caps Lock. In the final revision, there may be the option to add LEDs to the WASD cluster and Esc, but nothing has been finalized, yet.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Luke on Tue, 26 March 2013, 08:55:31
I would like to add LEDs to my keys but I have mine being pre-built. Is this possible?

No.  It does not support LEDs

The GH60 does not support full backlighting. This was done by design, as backlighting was not one of the objectives of the project.

As of Rev. A of the PCB, the only LED supported is Caps Lock. In the final revision, there may be the option to add LEDs to the WASD cluster and Esc, but nothing has been finalized, yet.

Beat me to it :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: edrago on Tue, 26 March 2013, 09:24:53
If anyone can help me and give some directions I would be grateful.
It's possible to make something similar to the Zelia Neo 87? Image References (http://fight.pcgames.com.cn/waishe/news/1112/2415715.html)

I know that I should get only a PCB, without plate. How hard would be to find a case for it?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 26 March 2013, 09:31:15
If anyone can help me and give some directions I would be grateful.
It's possible to make something similar to the Zelia Neo 87? Image References (http://fight.pcgames.com.cn/waishe/news/1112/2415715.html)

I know that I should get only a PCB, without plate. How hard would be to find a case for it?

Thanks in advance

Not really, that's a significantly larger keyboard than the GH60, being a tenkeyless.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: edrago on Tue, 26 March 2013, 09:39:02
Not really, that's a significantly larger keyboard than the GH60, being a tenkeyless.

I don't mean the layout as is, I have no problem with something like Poker (I have a Choc Mini ATM). I just wanted to know if was possible that "flat"design or how I could achieve it, I don't know how to describe it.

Thks for the reply.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 26 March 2013, 09:42:52
Not really, that's a significantly larger keyboard than the GH60, being a tenkeyless.

I don't mean the layout as is, I have no problem with something like Poker (I have a Choc Mini ATM). I just wanted to know if was possible that "flat"design or how I could achieve it, I don't know how to describe it.

Thks for the reply.

If you want something "flat" like that, your best bet is to try and find a Vortex CNC Pure case. It is a low profile design, similar to the one in those pictures, although not quite as low. The GH60 PCB will fit perfectly in the Pure CNC case.

You would order the GH60 PCB, switches, and stabilizers, and then try to find one of those Pure CNC cases.


This picture from Mashby shows the profile of the Pure CNC case quite well:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8213/8438789960_ff5b641b7b_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8438789960/)
Side-by-Side with Keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8438789960/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 26 March 2013, 10:41:33
Neo style case would be kind of cool, it's just a block of plastic with an angle to it more or less, then all that would be needed asides from cutting a block of some material at an angle would be a notch for the usb connector and some holes drilled and tapped to secure the pcb to it.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CTollemache on Tue, 26 March 2013, 10:48:27
Just went in for a GH60, poker plate, and some plate mounted stabs. I think I joined geekhack at just the right time! It's like the ultimate keyboard. Now to sit on the classifieds for a poker...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 26 March 2013, 10:52:23
Not really, that's a significantly larger keyboard than the GH60, being a tenkeyless.

I don't mean the layout as is, I have no problem with something like Poker (I have a Choc Mini ATM). I just wanted to know if was possible that "flat"design or how I could achieve it, I don't know how to describe it.

Thks for the reply.

If you want something "flat" like that, your best bet is to try and find a Vortex CNC Pure case. It is a low profile design, similar to the one in those pictures, although not quite as low. The GH60 PCB will fit perfectly in the Pure CNC case.

You would order the GH60 PCB, switches, and stabilizers, and then try to find one of those Pure CNC cases.


This picture from Mashby shows the profile of the Pure CNC case quite well:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8213/8438789960_ff5b641b7b_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8438789960/)
Side-by-Side with Keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8438789960/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
It's crazy to me that he takes all of his photos with an iPotato 4.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 26 March 2013, 10:59:40
It's crazy to me that he takes all of his photos with an iPotato 4.

Right?? It shocks me every single time. I even asked him about it pointblank and he said nope, I'm on Team Potato.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 26 March 2013, 11:31:27
I have updated the GH60 'samwisekoi' mockup to match the change WFD made to the plate.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg829197#msg829197

Thanks WFD et al!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 26 March 2013, 12:00:22
jsut bumbled my way through my order, lets hope i didnt muck that up
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 26 March 2013, 12:10:12
gonna post my order tonight so hopefully someone can check it out for me
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:21:34
I'm assuming that that SMD soldering isn't exactly the easiest thing is it?  Since I'm working on a small budget, I'm trying to see if I could do it on my own to cut cost.  The PCB, plate, and stabilizers is already pushing it a little for me.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:27:33
I'm assuming that that SMD soldering isn't exactly the easiest thing is it?  Since I'm working on a small budget, I'm trying to see if I could do it on my own to cut cost.  The PCB, plate, and stabilizers is already pushing it a little for me.

Actually, it's really, extremely difficult. Especially the crystal. You don't want to try and save $15 that way.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: whiskytango on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:33:39
I think the time saved alone makes it worth the extra $15. I am thinking about getting an extra kit in the DIY flavor just as a challenge. Sort of like building a model airplane. But I am also getting one or two assembled so that I know they will work. But yeah, go look at the instructions on doing the SMD work earlier in the thread. No way is it worth trying to save $15 over

Edit: See the 3rd post here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg828889#msg828889) for instructions.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:34:59
Actually, it's really, extremely difficult. Especially the crystal. You don't want to try and save $15 that way.

Alright, thanks.  The video made it look doable, but I was hesitant.  There's a hackerspace near me with an SMD station, so I figured it might be possible for me to do it, but if it's that tough, it definitely would make more sense to spend the $15 and get it done for me than to cheap out and hope I don't screw up.

Looks like I'll need to scrounge up a little more cash or sell off my Das to get this.

I think the time saved alone makes it worth the extra $15. I am thinking about getting an extra kit in the DIY flavor just as a challenge. Sort of like building a model airplane. But I am also getting one or two assembled so that I know they will work. But yeah, go look at the instructions on doing the SMD work earlier in the thread. No way is it worth trying to save $15 over

Part of the fun to me is putting the work into it.  The time saved doesn't really factor in since it's a fun, stress relieving project.  My back may hurt from it, but there's a satisfaction of doing it myself.  If I could save $15 while also having fun with it, it's worth it.  If, on the other hand, it will be nearly impossible to do and cause me frustration, I'll get it done for me.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nebo on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:42:27
Who is doing the assembly services? If I were to sell my phantom I'd want to keep my switches I ordered.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:45:40
Who is doing the assembly services? If I were to sell my phantom I'd want to keep my switches I ordered.

WFD and I are assembling US orders, komar is doing int'l. Unless you contact someone else to do it, that is.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nebo on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:46:54
Who is doing the assembly services? If I were to sell my phantom I'd want to keep my switches I ordered.

WFD and I are assembling US orders, komar is doing int'l. Unless you contact someone else to do it, that is.
Alright, looks like I might need to somehow get a hold of TP which is super easy these days....
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:59:55
Who is doing the assembly services? If I were to sell my phantom I'd want to keep my switches I ordered.

WFD and I are assembling US orders, komar is doing int'l. Unless you contact someone else to do it, that is.
Alright, looks like I might need to somehow get a hold of TP which is super easy these days....

SmallFry is your best hope there.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: bvtton on Tue, 26 March 2013, 17:13:19
ordered!  :) will we be receiving an email confirmation or something? (successfully submitted the form, but just want to make sure the order went though)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tradet on Tue, 26 March 2013, 17:34:18
Oh my goodness. I discovered the open group buy with 13 pages already!

This should be a valid order I hope? 2 switches for a space and 64 other keys for the GH60 max keys layout (hope I counted correctly). I don't want to solder the SMD parts, but I think it'd be fun to solder the switches and stuff.

Code: [Select]
-1x GH60 PCB SMD presoldered
-1x GH60 (max keys) plate
-1x cherry (plate-mounted) stabilizer set, 6.25x spacebar wire
-4x MX gray switches (2 for a space?)
-68x MX clear switches (counted 64 keys, 4 extra)

Also when flashing the microcontroller, will a mini-B USB cable suffice?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Tue, 26 March 2013, 20:15:33
Are the plates the phantom style? I'm interested in getting clears in this, but I'm not sure if I'd want ergo clears or not... I'll probably get this anyways just because its 60% w/ backplate and I don't have to mod the clears in.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 26 March 2013, 20:18:01
jd, looking back at your poker sale post, you said you had i believe said 'red, green and magenta' as led options for colors. and i know someone said wasd, esc, caps lock and some other keys (winkeys) might become available as an option...should i be putting down those colors in the comments section?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WRXChris on Tue, 26 March 2013, 20:28:45
I'm so torn between layouts and can't decide which plate to order!  I would love an HHKB layout, but that really limits the compatible keysets.  I think I'm gonna have to go with the ANSI 1.5. Ugh, decisions, decisions!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: yearn4 on Tue, 26 March 2013, 20:32:09
are these going to use micro or mini usb?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:27:09
In addition to the PCB, you will need the following to complete the build:
  • Switches
  • Stabilizers
  • Case
  • Keycaps
  • Plate (optional)
  • mini-B USB cable.
[/list]   
 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:07:03
Never-mind about the first question, this one is much more important, how would one program this keyboard? =This one decides DEFINITELY if I get it or not, because I don't want to take it apart and I don't know any programming=
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Wed, 27 March 2013, 01:16:13
Would be able to see the spread sheet being populated? It would be nice to see what we have ordered so we can verify we're getting what we want.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 27 March 2013, 01:28:02
Mini update: some stats after 6 days

185 PCBs ordered
169 plates ordered

When I have time, I'll make a separate form to post your orders. I think I caught up with all PMs, but if I missed yours then send another one.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Wed, 27 March 2013, 03:30:51
Never-mind about the first question, this one is much more important, how would one program this keyboard? =This one decides DEFINITELY if I get it or not, because I don't want to take it apart and I don't know any programming=

Read reply #2 on the first page!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Wed, 27 March 2013, 05:10:33
ordered!  :) will we be receiving an email confirmation or something? (successfully submitted the form, but just want to make sure the order went though)
You wont get an email confirmation, but as long as the form said order submitted they got it :D You'll get the invoice whenever they are sent out.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dgsbllx on Wed, 27 March 2013, 05:20:12
Right I don't understand why the plates and names shown in post 2 don't match to the names on the order form.

I want an exact cherry replica of a HHKB, so am I ordering the ' true" HHKB plate'?

Cheers
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ItsBc on Wed, 27 March 2013, 07:03:14
Going to sign up for the GB, just trying to decide which switches I want. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: edrago on Wed, 27 March 2013, 09:16:00
If you want something "flat" like that, your best bet is to try and find a Vortex CNC Pure case. It is a low profile design, similar to the one in those pictures, although not quite as low. The GH60 PCB will fit perfectly in the Pure CNC case.

You would order the GH60 PCB, switches, and stabilizers, and then try to find one of those Pure CNC cases.

This picture from Mashby shows the profile of the Pure CNC case quite well:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8213/8438789960_ff5b641b7b_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8438789960/)
Side-by-Side with Keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8438789960/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

I think this will do. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll research a little more and place my order soon
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 27 March 2013, 09:28:13
jd, looking back at your poker sale post, you said you had i believe said 'red, green and magenta' as led options for colors. and i know someone said wasd, esc, caps lock and some other keys (winkeys) might become available as an option...should i be putting down those colors in the comments section?

Those are colors I have for doing custom Pokers, which has nothing to do with the GH60 assembly. Once we know more about LED options, there may be some changes or options available. As of this moment, the only LED supported on the PCB is Caps Lock.



Never-mind about the first question, this one is much more important, how would one program this keyboard? =This one decides DEFINITELY if I get it or not, because I don't want to take it apart and I don't know any programming=

If you order an assembled GH60, the controller will be flashed with a firmware before it ships to you. There will be no further programming required, unless you want to change the keymap. Also, the plates are the "Phantom-style" where you can open the switch without desoldering.



Right I don't understand why the plates and names shown in post 2 don't match to the names on the order form.

I want an exact cherry replica of a HHKB, so am I ordering the ' true" HHKB plate'?

Cheers

Yes, order the "true HHKB" plate. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: boost on Wed, 27 March 2013, 09:29:54
My wallet hurts but can't wait to get these :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 27 March 2013, 12:52:43
Sorry for being daft, I just scrapped my previous order and changed it based on the example order from the OP.

Apologies for the noise.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 27 March 2013, 12:55:00
I wish we could get GBs like this, with high costs that are due a good amount of time away, into Matt3o's app, so that you can keep track of your order and cost, and easily modify if need be. I think I already forgot what I ordered...
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 27 March 2013, 13:34:45
If we were able to switch to Matt3o's form at this point, I would even offer to transfer all the current orders into the new form. But I don't know how much he is planning to charge for use and/or hosting, if it's even an option.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 27 March 2013, 13:54:37
I wish we could get GBs like this, with high costs that are due a good amount of time away, into Matt3o's app, so that you can keep track of your order and cost, and easily modify if need be. I think I already forgot what I ordered...
If this is still possible, it would make it easier and more convenient for everyone. That's up to Matt3o if he is ok with this. Google doc is nice, but is still greatly limited.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Wed, 27 March 2013, 14:26:40
I was just thinking this same thing! I want to add some, but don't remember what I ordered.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 27 March 2013, 14:30:55
Matt3o's system>Google Docs ALL DAY LONG!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 27 March 2013, 14:47:41
Matt3o, where you at, son? People looking for yo goods. If we can get a price for it, depending on what it is, I would be willing to chip in. I think it's worth it.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Wed, 27 March 2013, 15:32:58

The GH60 does not support full backlighting. This was done by design, as backlighting was not one of the objectives of the project.

As of Rev. A of the PCB, the only LED supported is Caps Lock. In the final revision, there may be the option to add LEDs to the WASD cluster and Esc, but nothing has been finalized, yet.

If there are going to be any through holes (besides caps, esc, or space because those make good indicators), they should be on all the keys. Not everyone uses wasd to game. I personally use esdf and know people who use rdfg. Plus if I were a lefty I'd use ijkl. It's not like holes complicate things if they aren't hooked to anything.

Not a fan of gaming set backlighting (or keycaps, or anything gaming set related for that matter), but I'm sure there are people who are, and some might not use wasd.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 15:37:51
Never-mind about the first question, this one is much more important, how would one program this keyboard? =This one decides DEFINITELY if I get it or not, because I don't want to take it apart and I don't know any programming=

Read reply #2 on the first page!
Oh... its USB? For some weird reason I just assumed it would be a PS/2 keyboard... damn.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 15:39:24
Never-mind about the first question, this one is much more important, how would one program this keyboard? =This one decides DEFINITELY if I get it or not, because I don't want to take it apart and I don't know any programming=

Read reply #2 on the first page!
Oh... its USB? For some weird reason I just assumed it would be a PS/2 keyboard... damn.

the end on the keyboard is a Mini-USB B, but I've seen plenty of cables with Mini-USB B to PS/2, so just get one of those! I need one :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: miscsubbin on Wed, 27 March 2013, 15:47:35
Hey I'm pretty new here and I was wondering if something like this would ever show up again (I'm not in the position to be buying a new keyboard now). If not,  what would I need to buy now that I wouldn't be able to in the future? PCB, plate, case (let's hope not)? That way I could buy as little as possible, and then finish it when I have the money.

Thanks, a lot.

Sounds about right.
But if you are really strapped for cash, you can do without the plate, but then just note that you have to buy PCB-mounted switches then. (Plate-mounted switches will not work without a plate).
Tinlong has an interest check for plastic cases, so they should be a lot cheaper than the aluminium ones. Not nearly as nice, but cheaper :P

So the things I would have to buy now are the PCB, plate (if I want it), and case. Are you sure that I definitely need to buy a case right now? My whole point is to get the parts that I would be unable to get at a later date, and sadly a case wouldn't allow for that. It seems like a pretty standard case design so I felt like it would show up more often. It's just a poker case right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Wed, 27 March 2013, 15:49:40

So the things I would have to buy now are the PCB, plate (if I want it), and case. Are you sure that I definitely need to buy a case right now? My whole point is to get the parts that I would be unable to get at a later date, and sadly a case wouldn't allow for that. It seems like a pretty standard case design so I felt like it would show up more often. It's just a poker case right?

Gonna be a while before these ship to you. You can wait on the case.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 27 March 2013, 15:51:54
The plates are probably something that you won't see being offered all too often, because it'll pretty much be assumed that everyone who bought a PCB bought a plate for it. If anything, you'd be most likely to find a Poker plate, but that limits you to that layout. So, if you're looking for a custom layout, now is really the time to get the plate for it.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:18:38
Never-mind about the first question, this one is much more important, how would one program this keyboard? =This one decides DEFINITELY if I get it or not, because I don't want to take it apart and I don't know any programming=

Read reply #2 on the first page!
Oh... its USB? For some weird reason I just assumed it would be a PS/2 keyboard... damn.

the end on the keyboard is a Mini-USB B, but I've seen plenty of cables with Mini-USB B to PS/2, so just get one of those! I need one :(
Would that make it have NKRO? If not then I'll still have to pass even though I would love to have a 60% keyboard.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: miscsubbin on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:22:24
The plates are probably something that you won't see being offered all too often, because it'll pretty much be assumed that everyone who bought a PCB bought a plate for it. If anything, you'd be most likely to find a Poker plate, but that limits you to that layout. So, if you're looking for a custom layout, now is really the time to get the plate for it.

Ok, thanks a lot.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:23:31
Would that make it have NKRO? If not then I'll still have to pass even though I would love to have a 60% keyboard.
What exactly is your question? Are you worried about NKRO over USB?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glod on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:32:11
Never-mind about the first question, this one is much more important, how would one program this keyboard? =This one decides DEFINITELY if I get it or not, because I don't want to take it apart and I don't know any programming=

Read reply #2 on the first page!
Oh... its USB? For some weird reason I just assumed it would be a PS/2 keyboard... damn.

the end on the keyboard is a Mini-USB B, but I've seen plenty of cables with Mini-USB B to PS/2, so just get one of those! I need one :(

komar will have to answer this one but i am pretty sure it wouldn't support ps2, i thought i saw this discussed before.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:35:05
Would that make it have NKRO? If not then I'll still have to pass even though I would love to have a 60% keyboard.
What exactly is your question? Are you worried about NKRO over USB?
I'm worried about if I can get NKRO over the PS/2 thing that you were talking about. Also how much latency that there would be because I'm a gamer.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:37:40
You're going to get NKRO over USB via a USB to Mini USB cable. And that is pretty much your only option.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:41:32
Would that make it have NKRO? If not then I'll still have to pass even though I would love to have a 60% keyboard.
What exactly is your question? Are you worried about NKRO over USB?
I'm worried about if I can get NKRO over the PS/2 thing that you were talking about. Also how much latency that there would be because I'm a gamer.

NKRO is NKRO. There shouldn't be any difference between PS/2 or USB in that regard here. You shouldn't worry about latency either.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: L4yercake on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:47:45
Would that make it have NKRO? If not then I'll still have to pass even though I would love to have a 60% keyboard.
What exactly is your question? Are you worried about NKRO over USB?
I'm worried about if I can get NKRO over the PS/2 thing that you were talking about. Also how much latency that there would be because I'm a gamer.

NKRO is NKRO. There shouldn't be any difference between PS/2 or USB in that regard here. You shouldn't worry about latency either.

I'm worried.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 27 March 2013, 16:59:31
I believe the hardware itself supports NKRO and high polling frequency. But it will depend on the firmware to implement these two.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 17:02:28
Would that make it have NKRO? If not then I'll still have to pass even though I would love to have a 60% keyboard.
What exactly is your question? Are you worried about NKRO over USB?
I'm worried about if I can get NKRO over the PS/2 thing that you were talking about. Also how much latency that there would be because I'm a gamer.

NKRO is NKRO. There shouldn't be any difference between PS/2 or USB in that regard here. You shouldn't worry about latency either.
Yeah... I'm worried too, I don't play COD so its not like I can just use any keyboard.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Wed, 27 March 2013, 17:53:06
Your mouse don't use PS/2 so why should your keyboard?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glod on Wed, 27 March 2013, 18:27:22
lol polling rates and nkro; you guys are drinking the marketing kool aid. 6kro is fine for literally everything. if you think you need all this stuff you are not worthy of the awesomeness that is the GH60.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 27 March 2013, 18:33:11
6KRO is fine, the latency is fine. Improve your reaction time and stop blaming the equipments :p
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Wed, 27 March 2013, 18:45:12
Your mouse don't use PS/2 so why should your keyboard?
if i have a PS/2 port and a ps/2 compatible device... why shouldn't i use ps/2

also unlike latency nkro can be critical for gaming if you play rhythm games like o2mania (or other maina games) where you would have to press 7 keys at once. :)  (just putting that out there)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: salmo on Wed, 27 March 2013, 19:20:28
Your mouse don't use PS/2 so why should your keyboard?
if i have a PS/2 port and a ps/2 compatible device... why shouldn't i use ps/2

also unlike latency nkro can be critical for gaming if you play rhythm games like o2mania (or other maina games) where you would have to press 7 keys at once. :)  (just putting that out there)

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm betting you'd have to write firmware that autodetects and speaks PS/2.  Or you'd have to use some sort of active USB to PS/2 adapter (read as latency).  The design basically has a teensy integrated into it, which has the hardware and software libraries to fairly easily create USB devices.  If you're wondering what can be done I'd ask around about what folks have done with the Phantom boards.  They're similar.

And this isn't directed at yo in particular but a lot of questions that have come up lately:
If you want weird layouts in hardware, or to write fun function layers, or just like doing stuff for yourself, then this is for you.  But if you want "gaming gear" that meets all the cool specs, you're probably best off buying that instead, unless you want to try and implement it (and risk not being able to).  This really is a DIY effort, that folks are trying to make as easy as possible (and doing an excellent job of it).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Wed, 27 March 2013, 20:11:06
Your mouse don't use PS/2 so why should your keyboard?
if i have a PS/2 port and a ps/2 compatible device... why shouldn't i use ps/2

also unlike latency nkro can be critical for gaming if you play rhythm games like o2mania (or other maina games) where you would have to press 7 keys at once. :)  (just putting that out there)

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm betting you'd have to write firmware that autodetects and speaks PS/2.  Or you'd have to use some sort of active USB to PS/2 adapter (read as latency).  The design basically has a teensy integrated into it, which has the hardware and software libraries to fairly easily create USB devices.  If you're wondering what can be done I'd ask around about what folks have done with the Phantom boards.  They're similar.

And this isn't directed at yo in particular but a lot of questions that have come up lately:
If you want weird layouts in hardware, or to write fun function layers, or just like doing stuff for yourself, then this is for you.  But if you want "gaming gear" that meets all the cool specs, you're probably best off buying that instead, unless you want to try and implement it (and risk not being able to).  This really is a DIY effort, that folks are trying to make as easy as possible (and doing an excellent job of it).

for 1: i am just saying that if you can use PS/2 why not use it?

for 2: i just brought that up because people say that nkro has the same usefulness as 1k polling etc. while this is not true.
also true if you don't want to deal with DIY don't go DIY.

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 20:57:48
I don't know if this question was answered but, what mx switch types can we ask for? I assume the for usual suspects are already included. (Ex. Blues, reds, blacks, browns) Is there a possibility of  requesting other switch types like greens, whites, greys??
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 21:23:08
6KRO is fine, the latency is fine. Improve your reaction time and stop blaming the equipments :p
I never blame the equipment except when the equipment is to blame. A few months ago I tested the theory of "6KRO is fine", by taking the PS/2 off of my Das and playing CS competitively with it. I noticed that my K/D was significantly less, thus proving my theory.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: vardhana on Wed, 27 March 2013, 22:37:48
I don't know if this question was answered but, what mx switch types can we ask for? I assume the for usual suspects are already included. (Ex. Blues, reds, blacks, browns) Is there a possibility of  requesting other switch types like greens, whites, greys??


See this...
what are the options for the switches?
Are can we get any type of switch? I'm looking at grey and whites

Switches and stabilizers

I was a little reluctant to include switches and stabilizers with this GB at first, because it'll just further complicate ordering, choices, invoice, and organization/management. But I figured it'll be a tad cheaper and easier to have a centralized place to get stuff.

7bit will just send 1 large order directly to us. Feel free to get it directly from him. We're not in control of how much they cost, choices, and when they're available. But ordering large amounts in a GB can be cheaper for everyone. Refer HERE (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html) for direct info and which switch choices are available. Then just fill out which ones you want in the order form.

As for stabilizers, I only have plate-mounted cherries, but I believe alaricljs will get a bunch of PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers soon. You can get Costars directly from WASDkeyboards, or if there are enough orders for the costars at the end, we'll put a large order for those as well. The problem is the spacebar wires. They can't be bought anywhere, so they'll have to be made. I'll post a guide so you can make your own. I'll make as many as I can, but it takes me ~10 minutes each, so I don't think I'll be making 200+ of them.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:15:35
6KRO is fine, the latency is fine. Improve your reaction time and stop blaming the equipments :p
I never blame the equipment except when the equipment is to blame. A few months ago I tested the theory of "6KRO is fine", by taking the PS/2 off of my Das and playing CS competitively with it. I noticed that my K/D was significantly less, thus proving my theory.

But 6KRO doesn't mean a maximum of 6 keys while you're playing...it means certain combinations of keys may only get you up to six. 

So how often did you run your test?  Did you do it blind?  Pretty poor "proof" of a theory...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: bpiphany on Thu, 28 March 2013, 02:32:58
But 6KRO doesn't mean a maximum of 6 keys while you're playing...it means certain combinations of keys may only get you up to six. 

No, in this case it means  maximum 6 different keys at a time. That is a limitation of the communication protocol (which can and have been side-stepped). That is actually 6 keys plus any combination of the 8 modifiers Shift, Alt, Win, Ctrl - left and right.

But you still need to be using very specific applications to need more than that. And ultra polling is just marketing bollocks. PS2 is the technology of yesterday...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Skull_Angel on Thu, 28 March 2013, 03:08:22
6KRO is fine, the latency is fine. Improve your reaction time and stop blaming the equipments :p
I never blame the equipment except when the equipment is to blame. A few months ago I tested the theory of "6KRO is fine", by taking the PS/2 off of my Das and playing CS competitively with it. I noticed that my K/D was significantly less, thus proving my theory.

Gamer here (mostly MMO based), but anything that changed going from PS/2 to USB resulting in a lower K:D was all in your mind.

I've researched this a bit and if you don't believe me a few searches into the difference between low-speed/full-speed USB v. PS/2 latency on modern motherboards along with how key presses register across different switches and controllers will tell you it's absolutely all in your head. Most of the more informative data can be found in posts on these forums even.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 28 March 2013, 08:01:37
6KRO is fine, the latency is fine. Improve your reaction time and stop blaming the equipments :p
I never blame the equipment except when the equipment is to blame. A few months ago I tested the theory of "6KRO is fine", by taking the PS/2 off of my Das and playing CS competitively with it. I noticed that my K/D was significantly less, thus proving my theory.

Have a friend randomly (with a generator/coin, not just deciding on his own) set up the board in either PS/2 or USB. Then have him record your k/d with a note as to the connection method. Repeat this a couple hundred times. You will not be told which was which until the end of the study.

Then your results will be worth looking at and not totally meaningless.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: guilleguillaume on Thu, 28 March 2013, 09:10:46
So the gaming bull**** has arrived to geekhack... run while you can!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Megaweapon on Thu, 28 March 2013, 09:36:28
If you want to attract more people who are new to the 60% scene I suggest adding a section on sourcing keycaps (as related to various layouts) in one of the first three posts.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 28 March 2013, 10:01:01
If you want to attract more people who are new to the 60% scene I suggest adding a section on sourcing keycaps (as related to various layouts) in one of the first three posts.

The 60% form factor keyboard has been established for some time now. I think most people know about it already. In fact, I would say that, with all the major manufacturers releasing 60% boards onto the market right now, 60% is the growing trend right now.

However, the GH60 project was designed from the beginning as a DIY, choose-your-own-layout keyboard project. We will provide assembly for those who aren't comfortable building their own board, so that we don't exclude that group from participating and from their chance to own a GH60.

That said, sourcing keycaps is beyond the scope of this group buy. If there is a specific question regarding a certain choice of layout, I would be happy to answer it. Most of the layouts available would be covered by a standard base + mods + tsangan kit offered in the many keycap group buys going on now. Poker layout would not require the tsangan, and ISO would of course require an ISO kit.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: funkymeeba on Thu, 28 March 2013, 10:48:11
Hm, this is looking more and more attractive to me... especially with my Leopold at home being on the fritz. The time may be right to try some new modded switches. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 28 March 2013, 11:11:46
i told some people who were not familiar of the gh60 over at reddit and they were kinda turned off with supplying their own case, usb cable and keycap set

i am fine with providing all of those things on my own. i think it makes it more fun because it's more personal
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 28 March 2013, 11:18:41
over at reddit

Well, there's your problem right there!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: inteli722 on Thu, 28 March 2013, 12:01:06
over at reddit

Well, there's your problem right there!

I'm over at that reddit and I want this...then again I started here, so that may be why. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Chesshire on Thu, 28 March 2013, 12:31:18
I read through it and there was a lot to take in... and I am fairly new to all of this, but if I were to get the GH60 plate would that allow me to mess around and try out different layouts? I am torn between the HHKB and the Poker pure.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Thu, 28 March 2013, 12:34:35
I read through it and there was a lot to take in... and I am fairly new to all of this, but if I were to get the GH60 plate would that allow me to mess around and try out different layouts? I am torn between the HHKB and the Poker pure.
if you want to try layouts with a plate, take the universal plate, so you don't have to resolder everything if you want to swap layouts. (because of the split backspace)

also you have to get 2 case tops because of the hhkb layout.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 28 March 2013, 12:58:25
I read through it and there was a lot to take in... and I am fairly new to all of this, but if I were to get the GH60 plate would that allow me to mess around and try out different layouts? I am torn between the HHKB and the Poker pure.

If you want to try and mess around and try different layouts, the Universal ANSI plate will allow you to do that. However, I would recommend not using a plate until you decide which layout you want to stick with. The plate is entirely optional. There are several GH60 prototype boards out there right now with no plate installed at all.

With the Universal plates, you need to know where the switches mount to the PCB, as there is no guide for where to install them in the holes with "universal" positions.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 28 March 2013, 13:14:17
I got some questions about stabilizers a few times so I'm adding this bit of info to the OP to show the difference in stabilizers and what a "set" includes:

Stabilizers

Costar (Filco, CM, WASDkeyboards, DAS, etc)
Cherry plate-mounted (Ducky, Leopold, etc)
Cherry PCB-mounted (Poker, Korean customs, etc)

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]





Also, I just added a poll. Depending on the results, it could affect the outcome of the GH60 production PCB, plates, or other options. Voice your opinions! If you think of a good question for the poll, let me know.

>POLL HERE< (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1unUyoHLIoy08OD-eu5l3zANaIjEw2We35CHHrZlFE_4/viewform)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Thu, 28 March 2013, 13:42:03
Ah. I forgot to answer all the questions.

ISO layout ;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: funkymeeba on Thu, 28 March 2013, 13:50:49
WASD backlighting is a neat idea, except that I use ESDF. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tlt on Thu, 28 March 2013, 15:09:58
On the first post it says "Poker and Pure (must be plates with 1.25x modifier)" way is that? Can I use a universal ISO plate with a Pure CNC case?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 28 March 2013, 15:14:22
On the first post it says "Poker and Pure (must be plates with 1.25x modifier)" way is that? Can I use a universal ISO plate with a Pure CNC case?

You can install a GH60 with any of the plates (or no plate) in a Pure CNC case with no problem.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tlt on Thu, 28 March 2013, 15:18:00
Ok, great! Thanks for fast reply.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 28 March 2013, 19:21:58
going with costar i think :)
thanks for the pics WFD
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Thu, 28 March 2013, 23:03:10
6KRO is fine, the latency is fine. Improve your reaction time and stop blaming the equipments :p
I never blame the equipment except when the equipment is to blame. A few months ago I tested the theory of "6KRO is fine", by taking the PS/2 off of my Das and playing CS competitively with it. I noticed that my K/D was significantly less, thus proving my theory.

But 6KRO doesn't mean a maximum of 6 keys while you're playing...it means certain combinations of keys may only get you up to six. 

So how often did you run your test?  Did you do it blind?  Pretty poor "proof" of a theory...
No... My K/D was WORSE when using USB, please read the rest of the conversation when coming in late.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Rule16 on Thu, 28 March 2013, 23:07:17
6KRO is fine, the latency is fine. Improve your reaction time and stop blaming the equipments :p
I never blame the equipment except when the equipment is to blame. A few months ago I tested the theory of "6KRO is fine", by taking the PS/2 off of my Das and playing CS competitively with it. I noticed that my K/D was significantly less, thus proving my theory.

Have a friend randomly (with a generator/coin, not just deciding on his own) set up the board in either PS/2 or USB. Then have him record your k/d with a note as to the connection method. Repeat this a couple hundred times. You will not be told which was which until the end of the study.
You know a couple hundred games of competitive would take almost half right? I'm not going to do that.
Then your results will be worth looking at and not totally meaningless.
You know a couple hundred games of competitive would take almost half a year right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 28 March 2013, 23:17:09

Have a friend randomly (with a generator/coin, not just deciding on his own) set up the board in either PS/2 or USB. Then have him record your k/d with a note as to the connection method. Repeat this a couple hundred times. You will not be told which was which until the end of the study.
You know a couple hundred games of competitive would take almost half right? I'm not going to do that.
Then your results will be worth looking at and not totally meaningless.

Take... almost... half? What? Half of...

But yeah, a legit study isn't going to work with just one or two trials. You can scale it down to let's say 20 games each way and get pretty decent results. Maybe get some other test subjects so the results can be better generalized. Really anything that's not "I changed my keyboard connection and did bad so I undid it and hated it forever".

I guess there is a bit more objective and less trial heavy, but the code would be a pain. Maybe make something to stop any keypresses 6kro won't allow from reaching the game and record them. If nothing is recorded then there can't really be any issue. If anything is recorded, there is an issue.

Now it's possible it did have a negative impact on you. I would just genuinely like to see if it really did or was all in your head. The placebo effect is powerful.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 29 March 2013, 01:07:39
6KRO is fine, the latency is fine. Improve your reaction time and stop blaming the equipments :p
I never blame the equipment except when the equipment is to blame. A few months ago I tested the theory of "6KRO is fine", by taking the PS/2 off of my Das and playing CS competitively with it. I noticed that my K/D was significantly less, thus proving my theory.

But 6KRO doesn't mean a maximum of 6 keys while you're playing...it means certain combinations of keys may only get you up to six. 

So how often did you run your test?  Did you do it blind?  Pretty poor "proof" of a theory...
No... My K/D was WORSE when using USB, please read the rest of the conversation when coming in late.

I read that part..I'm saying your test was not proof of anything..How often did you play?  Did you know what you were using beforehand? 

Playing once or a couple of times and determining it was worse is worthless...I'm not even saying your actual result is not going to end up being what you think...but if you don't see how your testing method is flawed (or you're missing some detail there) then you don't understand how stats work...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 29 March 2013, 08:04:57
Okay, I'm all for open discussion, but this is starting to go beyond anything constructive or helpful to the group buy. So let me give you my thoughts on the goals of this project.

The GH60 is not a "gaming keyboard." It was designed by keyboard enthusiasts, for keyboard enthusiasts. It does not include "full LED backlighting," or "1000 Hz polling," or "full NRKO over PS/2," or whatever the latest marketing slogan is, that's designed to persuade gamers to spend more money on features that may or may not make any difference to gaming performance, and may or may not even be present in the keyboards advertising such features.

The GH60 is a fully programmable, 60% keyboard project with the ability for custom layout configurations to suit the user. At this point, it is not even a complete keyboard, as you still have to source a case and keycaps external to this GB. If this is what you are looking for, you have found it.

If you are looking for something else, more suited to a specific purpose, I would wish you good luck, and I hope you find that elusive keyboard you are looking for.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mashby on Fri, 29 March 2013, 08:09:51
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2384675/amen-o.gif)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 29 March 2013, 08:26:40
Jdcarpe laying down the law...I like it :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Fri, 29 March 2013, 08:34:23
Jdcarpe laying down the law...I like it :D
[attachimg=1]
Took me hours, hope you like it!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jcrouse on Fri, 29 March 2013, 08:34:52
Hooah
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 29 March 2013, 08:58:06
^^^
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Fri, 29 March 2013, 09:13:59
Why are people grouping backlighting with gaming marketing BS anyway? The number of people who could notice any of the gaming things like polling time is tiny if existent at all. I could show somebody who didn't know what a keyboard is backlighting and they'd imminently notice it. It looks nice.

I get that a lot of people don't want backlighting and that's all good. I don't even like it on all my boards. Just seems silly to have a full DIY custom keyboard and totally omit a large area of customization. You can choose your switches, your keys, your case, your plate, your layout. But if you want to choose a light screw you. Especially when not even through holes are there, so even if someone had the kind of time to hard wire it they couldn't backlight it. I mean I see no reason not to add through holes on all the keys if there's discussion of adding the holes to wasd. The hardest part of plotting out the spacing and the like is already done. It's not like you have to drill them by hand. I mean it's your buy and if you don't want to add anything I respect that, but it just seems silly when it would be so easy (Of course easy would just be through holes only, I'm sure real support would be a lot harder) to add.

Still probably gonna get one or two, but if it had backlighting I'd definitely get two or three.


If I can figure out how to space the bloody led holes in KiCAD I'll start my own buy. With blackjack and backlighting.
Going to wait till at least the end of this GB before I even look into this.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 29 March 2013, 09:46:09
Blackjack?

I'm with jdcarpe re the GH60, but I have to say that if you want to do a GH60-LED group buy, you might very well get some takers.  Maybe quite a few.  Certainly the Chinese keyboard-makers do.

However, just adding the holes still leaves a huge amount of work to make a backlit keyboard.  So really what should happen is holes, traces, re-allocation of the PWM pins for LED control, and new firmware.

And again, if you (or anyone) did that, I imagine it would be a pretty successful group buy.

But if there is room for the holes (i.e. the traces are not in the way) then drilling the holes would be one of the easier parts of hard-wiring a full set of LEDs.  Place a switch, make two marks, punch the holes with a drill press and a very small bit.  Or make a template from an old backlit PCB.   Drop in LEDs.  Then run and insulate ground wires to every negative lead, run and insulate 3v wires to each positive lead, perhaps in patterns or separate circuits.  Add logic or physical switches to turn them off and on.  And you are done!

Seriously, this board doesn't have LED support, but your board might.  Will.  Go for it!  I'll buy a couple of PCBs.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Fri, 29 March 2013, 09:57:09
Blackjack?

Bender (Futurama) quote.

As for the holes it's more of a "If you're holeing up WASD why stop there?" thing. If there wouldn't be WASD holes it would make more sense to leave the board hole free.

I'll do some work with the pcb (looks like I'll need a whole third copper layer, ugh), and hopefully someone who can code at all can help with the firmware after the pcb is ready. Ah well, enough of this here. Ill post in making stuff once I have a bit of the pcb done.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 29 March 2013, 10:02:35
i would only want a few LEDs on the number row, wasd, modifiers, etc. not the full board
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Turkishrambo on Fri, 29 March 2013, 10:06:30
fuccckk, still deciding whati want., probably going to get 4 DIY pcbs, 4 pcb cherry stab sets, hhkb plate and 1.5 ansi plate
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Fri, 29 March 2013, 10:07:49
Its always nice when someone makes you an avatar to say thank you :(.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 29 March 2013, 10:19:46
Its always nice when someone makes you an avatar to say thank you :(.

Thank you!

Isn't the best thanks that the person is using it? :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Fri, 29 March 2013, 10:24:52
Its always nice when someone makes you an avatar to say thank you :(.

Thank you!

Isn't the best thanks that the person is using it? :D

True :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 29 March 2013, 10:30:09
Okay, I'm all for open discussion, but this is starting to go beyond anything constructive or helpful to the group buy. So let me give you my thoughts on the goals of this project.

The GH60 is not a "gaming keyboard." It was designed by keyboard enthusiasts, for keyboard enthusiasts. It does not include "full LED backlighting," or "1000 Hz polling," or "full NRKO over PS/2," or whatever the latest marketing slogan is, that's designed to persuade gamers to spend more money on features that may or may not make any difference to gaming performance, and may or may not even be present in the keyboards advertising such features.

The GH60 is a fully programmable, 60% keyboard project with the ability for custom layout configurations to suit the user. At this point, it is not even a complete keyboard, as you still have to source a case and keycaps external to this GB. If this is what you are looking for, you have found it.

If you are looking for something else, more suited to a specific purpose, I would wish you good luck, and I hope you find that elusive keyboard you are looking for.

That was pretty badass..for a half-human, half-vulcan.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: clstyle on Fri, 29 March 2013, 11:05:49
WHERE CAN I GET A HOUSING FOR MY GH60....
WHERE...HOW... :confused:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 29 March 2013, 11:11:57
WHERE CAN I GET A HOUSING FOR MY GH60....
WHERE...HOW... :confused:

There is a list either in the OP here or in the IC thread's OP.

One of them will be from me.

[attach=1]
GH60++ modular case by samwisekoi.

In metal for Retro Green, Acrylic for traditionalists, and in White POM for Retro Blue.  Feet TBD.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mashby on Fri, 29 March 2013, 11:54:51
Woah. First I'm seeing of this and my-oh-my do I like!  :eek:

Do you have a thread regarding your design samwisekoi?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gortloveslinux on Fri, 29 March 2013, 12:14:07
Joined GH just for this :D! Ordered a universal ANSI plate, a board, and PCB cherry stabs. Planning to do a gh60 max keys setup (but want to be able to change my mind). Thank you guys for all the hard work!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 29 March 2013, 12:34:10
Woah. First I'm seeing of this and my-oh-my do I like!  :eek:

Do you have a thread regarding your design samwisekoi?

Thanks and not yet.  Soon.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 29 March 2013, 12:50:21
There is a list either in the OP here or in the IC thread's OP.

One of them will be from me.

(Attachment Link)
GH60++ modular case by samwisekoi.

In metal for Retro Green, Acrylic for traditionalists, and in White POM for Retro Blue.  Feet TBD.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


Glad to hear your design is coming to fruition! I get so excited every time I see one of the new case designs. Thanks for sharing, Ron!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 29 March 2013, 12:56:13
White POM case? I may have to get two of those! Good job, Ron.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 29 March 2013, 13:18:24
I am hoping I am get a white aluminum case. I really really really hope Whitefiredragon's aluminum case will have white as an option. It's the only one I know with a HHKB top :/
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: funkymeeba on Fri, 29 March 2013, 13:56:59
Order form is in! Can't wait for two custom boards. :D

Now to figure out keycaps...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jmneuv on Fri, 29 March 2013, 14:46:05
A few questions still haunt me:

# Are 6.25 off-center stem cherry spacebars possible?
# How stiff is the PCB, seeing there aren't that many mounting points?
# When using a plate, where would the plate rest on; is it slightly larger than the PCB so it could rest on a rim or does the plate actually rest on the pcb through the switches?

Thanks.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 29 March 2013, 15:48:01
Yes Cherry style 6.25 space is possible, there is less flex than my Poker when typing on my prototype GH60.

Excited to see more about this white POM case. It's one of those things I have thought about pursuing for awhile but I don't have the know how to make 3D files for those kinds of things to have them made.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tradet on Fri, 29 March 2013, 16:32:33
I caved in and ordered. Exciting times! Now I need to find some nice keycaps. And a case.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pix3l_fodder on Sat, 30 March 2013, 05:34:34
jdcarpe, Is the poll going to affect the if WASD is going to be added to the GH60 board? Would be very cool to have that addition, does it detrimental effect on anything else on the board? I mean is there any reason for it not to be included if people who don't want the leds cant just not include them when they assemble the GH60?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: smnanthny on Sat, 30 March 2013, 10:28:40
New user just for this thread ^_^ Order in!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: funkymeeba on Sat, 30 March 2013, 10:43:10
Oh, I just realized something that might cause issues for me. What is an approximate time range that everything will be shipping? My apartment lease ends at the end of June, and while I'll be staying in the complex, I'll have a slightly different address to ship to.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Sat, 30 March 2013, 10:46:16
Oh, I just realized something that might cause issues for me. What is an approximate time range that everything will be shipping? My apartment lease ends at the end of June, and while I'll be staying in the complex, I'll have a slightly different address to ship to.

With how things are progressing seems you'll be fine updating your info at that time.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jspark on Sat, 30 March 2013, 11:31:21
I have placed my order at the first day, but I still don't get the invoice for the order. Aren't you sending invoices yet, or is it only I don't get it? Because of it, I don't know how much exactly and how to pay.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Sat, 30 March 2013, 11:35:40
I have placed my order at the first day, but I still don't get the invoice for the order. Aren't you sending invoices yet, or is it only I don't get it? Because of it, I don't know how much exactly and how to pay.

As Stated in OP.

=================

 Ordering
 Deadline to submit order is Monday, 04/22/13, payment deadline is 05/13/13. You’ve been given the payment date almost 2 months in advance, so start planning your budget accordingly!

==================
Title: AW: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: 4814 on Sat, 30 March 2013, 11:42:55
Totally in for this GB! I'm just waiting for my WASD sample kit to finally decide which switches I take. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 30 March 2013, 13:47:23
Excited to see more about this white POM case. It's one of those things I have thought about pursuing for awhile but I don't have the know how to make 3D files for those kinds of things to have them made.

Sheet POM (Delrin/acetal) is expensive to buy raw as well as to have laser-cut.  But it might be awesome cool.  Worth a try.

Here are some further renderings with a Poker/GH60 PCB shown in translucent green for reference.  FYI, the PCB is supported on all four edges as well as secured by two screws on the edges.  Additional support could easily be provided via stand-offs under the central mounting holes in the PCB.

These drawings are not to scale.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 30 March 2013, 14:02:47
Ron, I can add your case to the OP as well if you'd like. How likely is it to come to fruition? If you're going to add the two side screws, you might as well add center standoffs for a plate-less compatibility. Although, these small details should probably be discussed in a dedicated thread once you make one.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 30 March 2013, 14:17:07
Ron, I can add your case to the OP as well if you'd like. How likely is it to come to fruition? If you're going to add the two side screws, you might as well add center standoffs for a plate-less compatibility. Although, these small details should probably be discussed in a dedicated thread once you make one.

Not yet, thanks.  I have not worked out inter-layer fastener placement.  Re internal stand-offs, I am planning to drill and tap holes in the base, but utilize individual stand-offs so the base plate can be laser cut.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 30 March 2013, 14:38:14
Hey WFD,
if i order a hhkb layout, will the layout be a default hhkb to be progammed to what we want later? or will every gh60 come with no designations on each switch?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Kabuks on Sat, 30 March 2013, 16:11:25
Seems like people are really coming out of the woodwork for this GB. :p
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: reddeth on Sat, 30 March 2013, 18:08:04
I'm in for the two of these. Is there a more solid timeline for when they will actually be produced/shipped?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 30 March 2013, 19:45:49
I'd like to officially welcome all the new guys that came out of lurking and registered just for this group buy. There are quite a few of you guys.

WELCOME new dudes/dudettes


Seems like people are really coming out of the woodwork for this GB. :p
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 30 March 2013, 20:50:31
pink leds! pink leds for wasd! <3
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 30 March 2013, 20:51:34
pink leds! pink leds for wasd! <3

Magenta :)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img402/1927/img2659vw.jpg)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 30 March 2013, 21:19:48
pink leds! pink leds for wasd! <3

Magenta :)

Show Image
(http://imageshack.us/a/img402/1927/img2659vw.jpg)


that would be my dream right there

i asked jd for magenta before in this thread

pink/magenta on the wasd, capslock or esc would be amazing :)

i plan on using the hhkb layout, so leds on capslock wont be all too useful
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 30 March 2013, 21:22:24
I totally voted for the magenta LED's already :D.  Jocelyn's board convinced me since its suuuper hot
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 30 March 2013, 21:49:00
I totally voted for the magenta LED's already :D.  Jocelyn's board convinced me since its suuuper hot

Haha Thanks!!!

Question... I won't have any soldering stuffs until later summer or fall, so can I order the PCB (SMD presoldered), stabs, & Plate, pay for it, and have WFD or whoever hold onto to it for a few months?
If this isn't viable, can I choose assembly service and send my own switches or switch bottoms to WFD or whoever is doing assembly? :)
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 30 March 2013, 21:54:35
I'm sure WFD or I can hold your GH60 until you are ready for it. I suppose he will be shipping the eastern US boards, and I'll be shipping the western US. Or however it makes sense. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 30 March 2013, 22:09:32
i might be getting dark greys from another source...so can i send them to you jd? i am picking assembly service, so maybe they can just be used?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 30 March 2013, 22:12:29
I'm sure WFD or I can hold your GH60 until you are ready for it. I suppose he will be shipping the eastern US boards, and I'll be shipping the western US. Or however it makes sense. :)

Thank You. What about the second question? It may be asking too much lol.

I keep thinking I want the GH60 for nothing more than the reprogramming functionality, but hmmm I'll have to think about it a little more before I fill out the form.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 30 March 2013, 22:13:39
I keep thinking I want the GH60 for nothing more than the reprogramming functionality, but hmmm I'll have to think about it a little more before I fill out the form.

Come on, this is Wallethack...just drink the Kool Aid and get three! :P

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 30 March 2013, 22:46:18
Speaking for myself only, I don't mind assembling with parts you supply, if you want to source your own. No custom work on this scale, though. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 30 March 2013, 23:02:51
I'd be willing to do some custom stuff if parts are supplied (I don't really have too much stuff for customizing). I should be able to do these during my summer vacation.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 30 March 2013, 23:11:03
alright cool

still deciding between whites and dark greys
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: affect656 on Sun, 31 March 2013, 03:01:35
alright cool

still deciding between whites and dark greys

Get the dark greys
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 31 March 2013, 03:26:23
Thank You. What about the second question? It may be asking too much lol.

I keep thinking I want the GH60 for nothing more than the reprogramming functionality, but hmmm I'll have to think about it a little more before I fill out the form.

GBs like this are a one time thing. And also, even if you get GH60 and end up choosing the same exact layout and key mapping as the poker, at least you get a novelty board that can't be bought anywhere else.

jdcarpe and I can hold on to stuff. I'm personally holding on to a lot of people's unassembled keyboards right now, pending for parts.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: calavera on Sun, 31 March 2013, 03:58:49
Wait, this is a one time thing?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 31 March 2013, 05:12:10
Its very likely that it may be. The Phantom went for a second round, so I imagine its not all too impossible, but still likely.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: kernelpanic on Sun, 31 March 2013, 07:02:45
Is there a specific groupbuy for the GH60 keys? It's a very speficic layout, so especially the modifier-keys should be hard to get in a "normal" keylayout groupbuy.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Sun, 31 March 2013, 07:13:58
Is there a specific groupbuy for the GH60 keys? It's a very speficic layout, so especially the modifier-keys should be hard to get in a "normal" keylayout groupbuy.

Yeah there is.
Right here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.0
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 31 March 2013, 07:14:20
My Cherry/GMK groupbuy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.0) have keycaps for modifiers on every layout but MAX keys. There is also a companion buy being offered for full set of used keys if you do not have Cherry keycaps already.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: kernelpanic on Sun, 31 March 2013, 07:27:06
So basically, those keys will match every layout except for the last one (GH60 max keys) from the first post? And any other base-keyset should suit aswell?

Anyway, quick anwser. Thanks :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 31 March 2013, 07:49:30
Right, it has every modifier but the 1unit backspace and 1.25 enter. They will be matching with Cherry doubleshot sets. Used Cherry doubleshot sets can be had starting at $10 to get all of the alpha numeric keys.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: kernelpanic on Sun, 31 March 2013, 08:21:53
So if I take the max keys model, I have to get those 2 caps plus a 6.25 space bar?

I'm new to this stuff and I am calculating if it is worth building the GH60 or getting a KBT Pure. The main backdraw of the GH60 is the relatively costy keycaps.

It would be really cool if there would be a GB one day which sells standard base-keycaps for cheap so newbies can start cheaper.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 31 March 2013, 12:31:15
at the moment, i only have the money for one. i really, really wish i had the money for a second one.

hopefully there will be a round two in the future..
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: funinthesun69 on Sun, 31 March 2013, 15:27:41
Hello everyone.  I'm new here..I've been using my friends KBTalking, great board!  Just put my order in on this, going with the ISO 1.5x plate. 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Lastpilot on Sun, 31 March 2013, 16:18:50
So I'm guessing there has been little interest for a full backlit GH60? Count me interested for that group buy!

Blackjack?

I'm with jdcarpe re the GH60, but I have to say that if you want to do a GH60-LED group buy, you might very well get some takers.  Maybe quite a few.  Certainly the Chinese keyboard-makers do.

However, just adding the holes still leaves a huge amount of work to make a backlit keyboard.  So really what should happen is holes, traces, re-allocation of the PWM pins for LED control, and new firmware.

And again, if you (or anyone) did that, I imagine it would be a pretty successful group buy.

But if there is room for the holes (i.e. the traces are not in the way) then drilling the holes would be one of the easier parts of hard-wiring a full set of LEDs.  Place a switch, make two marks, punch the holes with a drill press and a very small bit.  Or make a template from an old backlit PCB.   Drop in LEDs.  Then run and insulate ground wires to every negative lead, run and insulate 3v wires to each positive lead, perhaps in patterns or separate circuits.  Add logic or physical switches to turn them off and on.  And you are done!

Seriously, this board doesn't have LED support, but your board might.  Will.  Go for it!  I'll buy a couple of PCBs.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Sun, 31 March 2013, 18:43:34
I'm interested in some juicy stats on the group buy.
What's the lastest total? :P
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 31 March 2013, 18:55:29
So if I take the max keys model, I have to get those 2 caps plus a 6.25 space bar?

I'm new to this stuff and I am calculating if it is worth building the GH60 or getting a KBT Pure. The main backdraw of the GH60 is the relatively costy keycaps.

It would be really cool if there would be a GB one day which sells standard base-keycaps for cheap so newbies can start cheaper.

Most of us have a few sets of stock keycaps in unused condition. I know I've sent some to deserving souls in the past.

Watch the classifieds, and you will see some for sale, often cheaply.

Good luck!

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 31 March 2013, 18:57:29
211 PCB's ordered to date.
233 plates ordered.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glissant on Sun, 31 March 2013, 20:29:31
That's pretty good =D. Did you guys expect those kinds of numbers or?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 31 March 2013, 20:37:38
It would be really cool if there would be a GB one day which sells standard base-keycaps for cheap so newbies can start cheaper.
Watch the classifieds! Someone (I think khaangaaroo) is selling sets for $10!!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 31 March 2013, 20:47:42
It would be really cool if there would be a GB one day which sells standard base-keycaps for cheap so newbies can start cheaper.
Watch the classifieds! Someone (I think khaangaaroo) is selling sets for $10!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Key-Caps-Cherry-MY7000-HPBUS-POS-Credit-Card-Swipe-Keyboard-/271176973076?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f23683b14

Edit - Missed all the chit chat about the spacebar
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 31 March 2013, 20:50:07
I would say even better, because Cherry, but that means putting more money out for something to complete compatibility, based on your layout of choice.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 31 March 2013, 22:29:56
That's pretty good =D. Did you guys expect those kinds of numbers or?

I did. I estimated we would sell between 200-250 units.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Sun, 31 March 2013, 22:34:32
I did. I estimated we would sell between 200-250 units.

Hear that guys?
BUY MORE TO PROVE JDCARPE WRONG.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 31 March 2013, 22:37:59
Lol. Hopefully I underestimated. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nebo on Sun, 31 March 2013, 22:40:45
Lol. Hopefully I underestimated. :)
Added +1 to the orders. Since payment isn't due until May I can do this and the Phantom. Might not have caps right away but I haven't looked in the GBs for a while and saw I missed some blue on whites which I now need to get somehow. Hopefully there are extras. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Neal on Mon, 01 April 2013, 08:51:21
Will def be ordering in a few days/weeks.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 01 April 2013, 10:04:08
im still considering my order...so many options...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: blueasjim on Mon, 01 April 2013, 10:32:26
im still considering my order...so many options...

Same, only  thing really setting me back is the casing. I want a nice Alum or something.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 01 April 2013, 10:46:40
im still considering my order...so many options...

Same, only  thing really setting me back is the casing. I want a nice Alum or something.

still deciding on layout and switches...everything else is decided
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: vatin on Mon, 01 April 2013, 11:04:22
The only thing stops me is the lack of more affordable cases.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 01 April 2013, 11:05:08
The only thing stops me is the lack of more affordable cases.

tinlong has an ic thread about $20-$30 original poker cases..
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rurushu on Mon, 01 April 2013, 11:10:19
The only thing stops me is the lack of more affordable cases.

tinlong has an ic thread about $20-$30 original poker cases..
thought he already said that the GB wont be happening?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: kernelpanic on Mon, 01 April 2013, 11:10:52
It would be really cool if there would be a GB one day which sells standard base-keycaps for cheap so newbies can start cheaper.
Watch the classifieds! Someone (I think khaangaaroo) is selling sets for $10!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Key-Caps-Cherry-MY7000-HPBUS-POS-Credit-Card-Swipe-Keyboard-/271176973076?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f23683b14

Edit - Missed all the chit chat about the spacebar

Problem is, all these are used. Personally I think this is a situation where used buying is just gross, a keyboard remains a thing you are putting your hands on every day.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 01 April 2013, 11:18:33
Problem is, all these are used. Personally I think this is a situation where used buying is just gross, a keyboard remains a thing you are putting your hands on every day.

You can clean keycaps.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 01 April 2013, 11:32:36
If anyone else is interested, I'm eventually going to drop in an order with SP for blank PBT (ABS spacebar) sphericals to fit the ANSI 1.5 and winkeyless layouts. It will be black and yellow caps. Current plan is to put together ~25 sets. I can put an image together to show the theme I'm going for with this, but it will have to wait until after work.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: guilleguillaume on Mon, 01 April 2013, 11:56:33
It would be really cool if there would be a GB one day which sells standard base-keycaps for cheap so newbies can start cheaper.
Watch the classifieds! Someone (I think khaangaaroo) is selling sets for $10!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Key-Caps-Cherry-MY7000-HPBUS-POS-Credit-Card-Swipe-Keyboard-/271176973076?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f23683b14

Edit - Missed all the chit chat about the spacebar

Problem is, all these are used. Personally I think this is a situation where used buying is just gross, a keyboard remains a thing you are putting your hands on every day.
You need to to know everyone clean the keycaps before putting them in their keyboards and using them.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: thoere on Mon, 01 April 2013, 12:25:56
How long until they're shipping?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 01 April 2013, 12:32:24
I'll be placing my order after the Chicago meet. I want to verify my switch selection there.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 01 April 2013, 12:34:57
The only thing stops me is the lack of more affordable cases.

tinlong has an ic thread about $20-$30 original poker cases..
thought he already said that the GB wont be happening?

My bad I thought it was still going. I might have one for sale if anyone is interested
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: domoaligato on Mon, 01 April 2013, 13:10:20
I would like to be able to use either cherry or costar spacebars/capslocks without modding the board or keycaps
Does one of these layouts meet that requirements with ansi layouts?

Is that even possible?

edit: basically I would like to be able to have standard layout like a filco layout but be able to use either spacebars/capslocks
I have ordered http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.0 and http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41439.0 and want to make sure they will fit with my FPS Counter-Strick V3.0 Kit from feng http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35967.0
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 01 April 2013, 13:13:14
should i go hhkb layout? or winkeyless? hmm..
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 01 April 2013, 13:31:38
How long until they're shipping?

Don't expect an answer anytime soon

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 01 April 2013, 15:14:17
How long until they're shipping?


The real answer is that we just don't know for sure. There are too many variables. I have said that I hope we can get these shipped out to people by the end of the summer, but I may be too optomistic.


Don't expect an answer anytime soon

Thanks for your helpful comment!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Mon, 01 April 2013, 15:18:44
should i go hhkb layout? or winkeyless? hmm..

Not to be an ass or anything, but this is the third post on this page were you just state that you don't know what to get. If you really don't know what to get and need advice or have some questions, then there really is a lot of advice/info to get around the forum or you could create a thread?
I really hope you don't take this as a negative comment.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 01 April 2013, 15:23:14

Thanks for your helpful comment!

If only someone had replied to me :)

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg830674#msg830674
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 01 April 2013, 15:25:03

Thanks for your helpful comment!

If only someone had replied to me :)

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg830674#msg830674

Reply here, just below your post: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg830695#msg830695
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 01 April 2013, 15:27:38

Thanks for your helpful comment!

If only someone had replied to me :)

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg830674#msg830674

Reply here, just below your post: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg830695#msg830695

I didn't think he was working on the project. Some clarification would be nice, especially in the original post.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:09:48
should i go hhkb layout? or winkeyless? hmm..

Not to be an ass or anything, but this is the third post on this page were you just state that you don't know what to get. If you really don't know what to get and need advice or have some questions, then there really is a lot of advice/info to get around the forum or you could create a thread?
I really hope you don't take this as a negative comment.

dat negative comment

just kidding. sorry i am posting so much. i am confused and excited at the same time. will stop posting in this thread  :/
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:22:20

Thanks for your helpful comment!

If only someone had replied to me :)

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg830674#msg830674

Reply here, just below your post: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg830695#msg830695

I didn't think he was working on the project. Some clarification would be nice, especially in the original post.

*Seriously?*  You didn't think komar was working on the project?  You know, the guy who's screenname is the 9th word in the OP. How much more clear can it be?

should i go hhkb layout? or winkeyless? hmm..

Not to be an ass or anything, but this is the third post on this page were you just state that you don't know what to get. If you really don't know what to get and need advice or have some questions, then there really is a lot of advice/info to get around the forum or you could create a thread?
I really hope you don't take this as a negative comment.

dat negative comment

just kidding. sorry i am posting so much. i am confused and excited at the same time. will stop posting in this thread  :/

To be fair, I don't see why he thinks that comments about this keyboard shouldn't be in this thread, but to each his own.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:23:23
thanks tj

i thought i was in the right place  :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:29:43

*Seriously?*  You didn't think komar was working on the project?  You know, the guy who's screenname is the 9th word in the OP. How much more clear can it be?

The release date should be more clear, as in written in the original post. Is that too much to ask? I won't be the first or last to stumble upon this thread to find this information.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: T0ken on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:33:20
Hello, another former lurker here...

For me too, the casing is my only concern. Can anyone comment on the practicality of going case-less? It appears that on the bottom side of the PCB is the microcontroller, SMD components, and through hole pins...it doesn't seem like a stable typing surface to me...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:34:19

*Seriously?*  You didn't think komar was working on the project?  You know, the guy who's screenname is the 9th word in the OP. How much more clear can it be?

The release date should be more clear, as in written in the original post. Is that too much to ask? I won't be the first or last to stumble upon this thread to find this information.

Did it ever occur to you that, "Gee, I guess they don't know exactly how long it will take to manufacture an unknown number of custom PCBs?"

Why put up something that isn't set in stone?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:36:13
Especially being that orders aren't even done yet.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:38:28
Hello, another former lurker here...

For me too, the casing is my only concern. Can anyone comment on the practicality of going case-less? It appears that on the bottom side of the PCB is the microcontroller, SMD components, and through hole pins...it doesn't seem like a stable typing surface to me...

There really isn't any practicality in it.  You should at least have some kind of plate with standoffs for the pcb to sit on.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:39:17
WFD, I was wondering if you could add your lovely post about stabilizers (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg836355#msg836355) to the OP to help those who are new to DIY boards. Thanks in advance :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:40:54

*Seriously?*  You didn't think komar was working on the project?  You know, the guy who's screenname is the 9th word in the OP. How much more clear can it be?

The release date should be more clear, as in written in the original post. Is that too much to ask? I won't be the first or last to stumble upon this thread to find this information.

Did it ever occur to you that, "Gee, I guess they don't know exactly how long it will take to manufacture an unknown number of custom PCBs?"

Why put up something that isn't set in stone?

Because one would be spending hundreds of dollars? I just asked a simple question. A simple answer in the original post such as this would have been sufficient: "No release date atm" or "Release date is at least 6 months away".
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:46:46

*Seriously?*  You didn't think komar was working on the project?  You know, the guy who's screenname is the 9th word in the OP. How much more clear can it be?

The release date should be more clear, as in written in the original post. Is that too much to ask? I won't be the first or last to stumble upon this thread to find this information.

Did it ever occur to you that, "Gee, I guess they don't know exactly how long it will take to manufacture an unknown number of custom PCBs?"

Why put up something that isn't set in stone?

Because one would be spending hundreds of dollars? I just asked a simple question. A simple answer in the original post such as this would have been sufficient: "No release date atm" or "Release date is at least 6 months away".

How was komar's simple answer right after your question not good enough, then? Or does it not count because it wasn't in the OP?

And really, why should the OP be manipulated to your tastes considering you stopped reading after 8 words to not know that komar was a part of the group designing it? 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:49:52

*Seriously?*  You didn't think komar was working on the project?  You know, the guy who's screenname is the 9th word in the OP. How much more clear can it be?

The release date should be more clear, as in written in the original post. Is that too much to ask? I won't be the first or last to stumble upon this thread to find this information.

I'll add it to the OP. I didn't put it before because there are too many variables like jdcarpe said. The larger the GB, the longer lead time and more chance for delays. Coordination for several parts combined into one GB requires communication and collaboration. Things that we are NOT in control of that could delay things are order cancellations/changes, waiting for late payment, or manufacturer delays. There are several manufactures and sources required to get all the parts, so that adds even more variables. At the time I wrote the OP, there is no way I can predict these things, and they're also dependent on how many orders received at the end. Since payment deadline is mid May, my own estimate is mid June - late September for the ETA of all parts.

If you've participated in many GBs, you'll notice that many of them have unforseen delays that are out of the organizers' control. Comparing it to the Phantom GB that is about the same magnitude and has similar parts, it took about a year to complete. 3-6 months from the open of the GB until you get  your package is reasonable, assuming there won't be any major problems.


Hello, another former lurker here...

For me too, the casing is my only concern. Can anyone comment on the practicality of going case-less? It appears that on the bottom side of the PCB is the microcontroller, SMD components, and through hole pins...it doesn't seem like a stable typing surface to me...

Probably not the best idea, although it would work if you put it on something non-conductive. Make your own cardboard case, but that'll just be a more fragile solution to any dedicated 60% case.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: T0ken on Mon, 01 April 2013, 21:17:48
Thanks for the replies guys. As tjcaustin mentioned, I think a standoff separating the PCB from some kind of flat plate seems like a good idea, if no dedicated case.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 01 April 2013, 21:19:38
I guess you could always stick some rubber feet to the bottom of the PCB, or use anti-static mat to place it on. If you do that, I better see you typing on it with no keycaps, though. You go Korean kung-fu, you go all the way. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Mon, 01 April 2013, 21:21:55
I guess you could always stick some rubber feet to the bottom of the PCB, or use anti-static mat to place it on. If you do that, I better see you typing on it with no keycaps, though. You go Korean kung-fu, you go all the way. :D

Who needs switches?  Just put some metal on your finger tips and type on the PCB.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 01 April 2013, 21:23:38

I'll add it to the OP. I didn't put it before because there are too many variables like jdcarpe said. The larger the GB, the longer lead time and more chance for delays. Coordination for several parts combined into one GB requires communication and collaboration. Things that we are NOT in control of that could delay things are order cancellations/changes, waiting for late payment, or manufacturer delays. There are several manufactures and sources required to get all the parts, so that adds even more variables. At the time I wrote the OP, there is no way I can predict these things, and they're also dependent on how many orders received at the end. Since payment deadline is mid May, my own estimate is mid June - late September for the ETA of all parts.

If you've participated in many GBs, you'll notice that many of them have unforseen delays that are out of the organizers' control. Comparing it to the Phantom GB that is about the same magnitude and has similar parts, it took about a year to complete. 3-6 months from the open of the GB until you get  your package is reasonable, assuming there won't be any major problems.

Thanks for the reply, WFD. You've answered all my questions. This clarifies a lot of things and would definitely be informative if added to the OP. Many users on here may not have participated in a GB like this before. It allows us to know what to expect, instead of just blindly going into it.

How was komar's simple answer right after your question not good enough, then? Or does it not count because it wasn't in the OP?

And really, why should the OP be manipulated to your tastes considering you stopped reading after 8 words to not know that komar was a part of the group designing it? 

I'm not sure what your problem is but just relax. If you don't want to help in answering a question, you don't have to.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 01 April 2013, 21:24:25
I guess you could always stick some rubber feet to the bottom of the PCB, or use anti-static mat to place it on. If you do that, I better see you typing on it with no keycaps, though. You go Korean kung-fu, you go all the way. :D

Who needs switches?  Just put some metal on your finger tips and type on the PCB.

Who needs PCBs, just wire a controller into your brain.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: agor on Tue, 02 April 2013, 04:22:42
Could you tell me if my order fine as it is? And can you send it to me via pm please, need to review :-)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jmneuv on Tue, 02 April 2013, 05:38:18
Could someone please provide me with the outer measurements of the PCB as well as the plate.
Thanks.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Luke on Tue, 02 April 2013, 06:44:04
Could someone please provide me with the outer measurements of the PCB as well as the plate.
Thanks.

+1 if possible :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 02 April 2013, 09:56:29
Is this "Wedge" case design interesting to anyone?  (Non-flat is hard in laser-cut plastic, but this could be done.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jmneuv on Tue, 02 April 2013, 10:22:08
I like the flat one with the "foot-bar" better;
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: thoere on Tue, 02 April 2013, 11:09:33
I just need a general time period to expect when these will ship. Days? Weeks? Months? I really want one but I'm not sure if I should buy one now because I have no other mechanical keyboard to use while waiting for the gh60... just sold my Blackwidow.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Kabuks on Tue, 02 April 2013, 11:13:53
I just need a general time period to expect when these will ship. Days? Weeks? Months? I really want one but I'm not sure if I should buy one now because I have no other mechanical keyboard to use while waiting for the gh60... just sold my Blackwidow.

It has already been posted that it will be around September at the earliest.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 02 April 2013, 11:15:35
I just need a general time period to expect when these will ship. Days? Weeks? Months? I really want one but I'm not sure if I should buy one now because I have no other mechanical keyboard to use while waiting for the gh60... just sold my Blackwidow.

I think your question was answered on this very page.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tarzan on Tue, 02 April 2013, 11:44:45
I like the flat one with the "foot-bar" better;

Same here.  Looks more sanitary/clean.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 02 April 2013, 11:52:48
I like the flat one with the "foot-bar" better;

Same here.  Looks more sanitary/clean.
+1 I may just have to go the full samwisekoi on this keyboard lol.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Tue, 02 April 2013, 12:11:56
I like the flat one with the "foot-bar" better;
i would rather have a acrylic wedge on the bottom to make a flat base (like the 356mini) because it looks imho much cleaner.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 02 April 2013, 12:34:18
I am going with a lego case
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40251

when I actually receive the gh60 I may glue the lego's together and integrate standoffs to screw the board down.
 ;D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 02 April 2013, 13:01:23
I like the flat one with the "foot-bar" better;
i would rather have a acrylic wedge on the bottom to make a flat base (like the 356mini) because it looks imho much cleaner.

Yes.  How to make those from laser-cut Acrylic, POM or aluminum is the question.

Thanks for everyone's input.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjweir on Tue, 02 April 2013, 13:14:04
I am going with a lego case
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40251

when I actually receive the gh60 I may glue the lego's together and integrate standoffs to screw the board down.
 ;D

Oh my, I think I'll have to make a Lego case as well.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Tue, 02 April 2013, 13:24:40
I like the flat one with the "foot-bar" better;
i would rather have a acrylic wedge on the bottom to make a flat base (like the 356mini) because it looks imho much cleaner.

Yes.  How to make those from laser-cut Acrylic, POM or aluminum is the question.

Thanks for everyone's input.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


i don't think that there is a legit way to do that (you could always mcgyver stuff ofc)
so milling would be the one option but you would lose the other half of the block....

or cheaper method would be a wood wedge which could be milled for cheaper (i think)
so as long as there are 2 holes for mounting a bar in the back these could also be used for a "custom" wood wedge.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: numerus on Tue, 02 April 2013, 14:09:50
I order it too.
but still confusing about the choise of Case :rolleyes:
will really like one in Carbonfiber or black mat lack.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dsan on Tue, 02 April 2013, 14:36:13
The wait time seems really reasonable to me,don't forget that you'll also get switches,stabilizers,a plate and a pcb.I'll be placing my order really soon,too :)
Is it possible to order different type of switches?For example 63 blues,1 red,1 brown,1 clear and so on?Thank you!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Tue, 02 April 2013, 15:14:03
I like the flat one with the "foot-bar" better;
i would rather have a acrylic wedge on the bottom to make a flat base (like the 356mini) because it looks imho much cleaner.

Yes.  How to make those from laser-cut Acrylic, POM or aluminum is the question.

Thanks for everyone's input.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)

I would definietly consider this over WFD60 if it looked like the 356mini.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: T0ken on Tue, 02 April 2013, 21:02:42
Is this "Wedge" case design interesting to anyone?  (Non-flat is hard in laser-cut plastic, but this could be done.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)



It looks good to me... I'm interested. My options for cases right are cardboard or lego so I'm very interested in any alternatives.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Tue, 02 April 2013, 21:15:13
Fiberglass/carbon fiber and resin?  Clay?  Great Stuff?  ^_^
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: hoasican2004 on Wed, 03 April 2013, 02:59:51
Help me, I need detail of plate (POKER keyboard) , who can send  for me file ( CAD, Adobe illustrator, PDF…. )??? I’m thanks so so so much >”<
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eon on Wed, 03 April 2013, 05:24:22
One question about the HHKB ANSI plate:
- is it possible to setup the bottom row like that: 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 - 7 - 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 ?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: realex on Wed, 03 April 2013, 05:51:11
i have access to high quality cnc milling machines as i am working in metal industry, but as this isn't usually what i do (i am more from the electrical department) i am not that experienced with cad or whatever is used to create the feed for those machines. maybe someone with a little more insight can hook me up with a technical drawing or/and more info while i try and figure out in what quantities i could get some cases done.

i probably could also have the cases anodized there afterwards.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Wed, 03 April 2013, 06:23:24
i have access to high quality cnc milling machines as i am working in metal industry, but as this isn't usually what i do (i am more from the electrical department) i am not that experienced with cad or whatever is used to create the feed for those machines. maybe someone with a little more insight can hook me up with a technical drawing or/and more info while i try and figure out in what quantities i could get some cases done.

i probably could also have the cases anodized there afterwards.
I wish i had experience with this as it would be really nice to get a case from you since you are located in Europe.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 06:26:47
One question about the HHKB ANSI plate:
- is it possible to setup the bottom row like that: 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 - 7 - 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 ?

Yes, that is exactly how the plate is set up. If you want to have the HHKB bottom row, you simply don't install switches in the outside 1.5 positions.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jcrouse on Wed, 03 April 2013, 08:14:49
One question about the HHKB ANSI plate:
- is it possible to setup the bottom row like that: 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 - 7 - 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 ?

Yes, that is exactly how the plate is set up. If you want to have the HHKB bottom row, you simply don't install switches in the outside 1.5 positions.

JDC ... Isn't the HHKB a 6.25 spacebar?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 03 April 2013, 08:16:46
The actual HHKB does, but this layout has a 7x spacebar.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jcrouse on Wed, 03 April 2013, 08:20:46
The actual HHKB does, but this layout has a 7x spacebar.

It is **** like that that just adds confusion. Along with the nice pictures not aligning with the naming of the plstes and order form. I haven't ordered for 3 weeks because I still am not sure what is what.

John
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 03 April 2013, 08:24:31
I think pictures of the plates instead of the layouts, and a list of what each plate can do layout wise, with the pictures of the layouts under them in a smaller size (width=200) or something could clear the confusion up.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 03 April 2013, 08:29:59
Someone give me pictures of the plates and I'll make it all better. You can copy and paste it into the OP or point people to my post.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 03 April 2013, 08:41:02
Updated my order to add switches and assembly services.  Whites on one board, Grays on the other.  Poker layout for both.

 ;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pasph on Wed, 03 April 2013, 08:41:37
i have access to high quality cnc milling machines as i am working in metal industry, but as this isn't usually what i do (i am more from the electrical department) i am not that experienced with cad or whatever is used to create the feed for those machines. maybe someone with a little more insight can hook me up with a technical drawing or/and more info while i try and figure out in what quantities i could get some cases done.

i probably could also have the cases anodized there afterwards.
I wish i had experience with this as it would be really nice to get a case from you since you are located in Europe.

+1
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tricheboars on Wed, 03 April 2013, 09:41:25
i submitted my order day 1 but i dont think i responded to the switch order section properly.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 09:50:09
i submitted my order day 1 but i dont think i responded to the switch order section properly.

Sent you a PM about your order.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Wed, 03 April 2013, 10:07:24
One question about the HHKB ANSI plate:
- is it possible to setup the bottom row like that: 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 - 7 - 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 ?

Yes, that is exactly how the plate is set up. If you want to have the HHKB bottom row, you simply don't install switches in the outside 1.5 positions.

JDC ... Isn't the HHKB a 6.25 spacebar?

It's 6 in size not 6.25, no?
It goes from 0.75 on the X to 0.75 on the ,< key.

Something like this would give the board true HHKB layout while giving the opportunity to add three more keys.
[attach=1]
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 10:19:31
One question about the HHKB ANSI plate:
- is it possible to setup the bottom row like that: 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 - 7 - 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 ?

Yes, that is exactly how the plate is set up. If you want to have the HHKB bottom row, you simply don't install switches in the outside 1.5 positions.

JDC ... Isn't the HHKB a 6.25 spacebar?

It's 6 in size not 6.25, no?
It goes from 0.75 on the X to 0.75 on the ,< key.

Something like this would give the board true HHKB layout while giving the opportunity to add three more keys.
(Attachment Link)

Actually, that layout is supported by the PCB. The 6x spacebar center mount is offset, and matches with the 7x spacebar center mount position. I'm not sure about stabilizer holes, though. It would be up to the plate and case designer (aka WFD) to decide if he wants to change the case and plate design to the "true" HHKB layout, or stick with the 7x spacebar design as it currently stands.

Sorry, but I don't think we will be adding any more layout options at this late date. The 7x spacebar seems more appealing anyhow, as they are more commonly found (e.g. in tsangan kits), and it fixes a problem with the HHKB, by creating a balanced symmetry on the bottom row. PFU Fujitsu doesn't have to worry about spacebar compatibility, since you don't have many options for replacing the keycaps, anyway.

Also, by using the 7x spacebar in that configuration, instead of a 6x, it matches the 1.5x (and WKL) layout.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Wed, 03 April 2013, 10:32:09
oh, I wasn't making a request about a new plate as I don't think there would be a lot of backup, especially since it uses 6x spacebar. Just that one could create it by using a universal plate ;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 03 April 2013, 11:36:36
is it possible with this kit to have off-centered capslock and spacebar?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 11:48:38
is it possible with this kit to have off-centered capslock and spacebar?

Yes, the PCB supports both of those.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: agor on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:03:36
i submitted my order day 1 but i dont think i responded to the switch order section properly.

Sent you a PM about your order.
Could you do this for me aswell, please?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:10:30
i submitted my order day 1 but i dont think i responded to the switch order section properly.

Sent you a PM about your order.
Could you do this for me aswell, please?

Done.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gropingmantis on Wed, 03 April 2013, 17:43:26
Is there a way of getting a PM just to verify that my order changed correctly? I would so hate to miss out on ths
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 17:49:45
Is there a way of getting a PM just to verify that my order changed correctly? I would so hate to miss out on ths

PM sent
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: miscsubbin on Wed, 03 April 2013, 17:58:26
Anyone know where I could get a low profile case? I've looked at the ones in the OP, but they're not quite what I'm looking for. Something similar to this: (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8538658431_ef131e80f5_z.jpg)

I'll post somewhere else if this is the incorrect place.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: sth on Wed, 03 April 2013, 18:11:40
well i suppose i should get in on this to use up the rest of my vintage blacks. ordered :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: hankz on Wed, 03 April 2013, 20:12:56
I change my order and I want to know my order is changed to right quantity or not.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 03 April 2013, 20:43:07
Anyone know where I could get a low profile case? I've looked at the ones in the OP, but they're not quite what I'm looking for. Something similar to this:
Show Image
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8538658431_ef131e80f5_z.jpg)


I'll post somewhere else if this is the incorrect place.

Ask mashby since those are his boards?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: T0ken on Wed, 03 April 2013, 20:48:52
Is shipping to Canada available? I'm fine with increased shipping cost and taxes etc, but I know that shipping  an item to Canada from both USA or EU is a pain. I realized I might as well ask here as I'm about to place my order...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Wed, 03 April 2013, 20:50:41
Anyone know where I could get a low profile case? I've looked at the ones in the OP, but they're not quite what I'm looking for. Something similar to this:

I'll post somewhere else if this is the incorrect place.

There were only ~30 of them from a GB and I'm afraid they're all gone.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 03 April 2013, 21:03:46
Is shipping to Canada available? I'm fine with increased shipping cost and taxes etc, but I know that shipping  an item to Canada from both USA or EU is a pain. I realized I might as well ask here as I'm about to place my order...

The GH60 has no boundaries my fellow Canadian!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: T0ken on Wed, 03 April 2013, 21:36:47
Is shipping to Canada available? I'm fine with increased shipping cost and taxes etc, but I know that shipping  an item to Canada from both USA or EU is a pain. I realized I might as well ask here as I'm about to place my order...

The GH60 has no boundaries my fellow Canadian!

Awesome, thanks for the reply! Order placed, eh  ;D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 04 April 2013, 05:42:20
The actual HHKB does, but this layout has a 7x spacebar.

It is **** like that that just adds confusion. Along with the nice pictures not aligning with the naming of the plstes and order form. I haven't ordered for 3 weeks because I still am not sure what is what.

John

I'll add actual plate pics next to the layouts with keycaps. This was initially done because I would think it's harder for newbs to visualize the keycap size based on a  size 1x switch hole and an unknown space in between. It's easier to see the layout with the actual keycap size at the corresponding positions. I'll notify again when I've added the plate pics.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jcrouse on Thu, 04 April 2013, 06:04:15
The actual HHKB does, but this layout has a 7x spacebar.

It is **** like that that just adds confusion. Along with the nice pictures not aligning with the naming of the plstes and order form. I haven't ordered for 3 weeks because I still am not sure what is what.

John

I'll add actual plate pics next to the layouts with keycaps. This was initially done because I would think it's harder for newbs to visualize the keycap size based on a  size 1x switch hole and an unknown space in between. It's easier to see the layout with the actual keycap size at the corresponding positions. I'll notify again when I've added the plate pics.
WFD ... I completely agree with your reasoning. Looking at the keyboard pics is WAY better than pics of the plates.

Maybe use the name of the plate as a header, EXACTLY the way it is named on the order form and then show a pic of all the different ways it could be setup or at least the majority of them I realize the generic ANSI and ISO plates could be configured quite a few different ways. Also, naming is important to avoid confusion. I just started using a HHKB at work this week and wanted the "true" HHKB layout, only to find out it really is different. I understand the reasons it is so, and again agree, but the naming led me to believe it was exactly the same.

Good work on this to both you and JDC. Your efforts are goung to be enjoyed, and hopefully appreciated, by many.

John
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 04 April 2013, 07:21:36
The actual HHKB does, but this layout has a 7x spacebar.

It is **** like that that just adds confusion. Along with the nice pictures not aligning with the naming of the plstes and order form. I haven't ordered for 3 weeks because I still am not sure what is what.

John

I'll add actual plate pics next to the layouts with keycaps. This was initially done because I would think it's harder for newbs to visualize the keycap size based on a  size 1x switch hole and an unknown space in between. It's easier to see the layout with the actual keycap size at the corresponding positions. I'll notify again when I've added the plate pics.
WFD ... I completely agree with your reasoning. Looking at the keyboard pics is WAY better than pics of the plates.

Maybe use the name of the plate as a header, EXACTLY the way it is named on the order form and then show a pic of all the different ways it could be setup or at least the majority of them I realize the generic ANSI and ISO plates could be configured quite a few different ways. Also, naming is important to avoid confusion. I just started using a HHKB at work this week and wanted the "true" HHKB layout, only to find out it really is different. I understand the reasons it is so, and again agree, but the naming led me to believe it was exactly the same.

Good work on this to both you and JDC. Your efforts are goung to be enjoyed, and hopefully appreciated, by many.

John
:/ that's what I said... and I disagree. To me, looking at the plate is easier. I can see the placement of the switches better.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Thu, 04 April 2013, 17:34:48
Hey,

What's the absolute minimum I need to get from the GB so that I can complete the keyboard later on? I'm a little tight on cash, but don't want to miss this amazing opportunity. I'm not good with a solder, really. I think I need the soldered PCB, the plate, and stabilizers?

As a side note. I've done a little soldering before, but I'm certainly not very good with it. Can I learn to solder switches easily, or should I splurge for switches and assembly?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Thu, 04 April 2013, 17:48:41
Hey,

What's the absolute minimum I need to get from the GB so that I can complete the keyboard later on? I'm a little tight on cash, but don't want to miss this amazing opportunity. I'm not good with a solder, really. I think I need the soldered PCB, the plate, and stabilizers?

As a side note. I've done a little soldering before, but I'm certainly not very good with it. Can I learn to solder switches easily, or should I splurge for switches and assembly?

you need for a functioning gh60 at least: soldered pcb, pcb mount switches, pcb mount stabilizers (cherry only), keycaps, and a usb cable. (plate is optional)

soldering is pretty easy but if you are not confident in your skills, you are better off spending $25 more.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jcrouse on Thu, 04 April 2013, 17:55:37
/ that's what I said... and I disagree. To me, looking at the plate is easier. I can see the placement of the switches better.

I would say not for the masses but that is just my opinion. I was an Autocad designer for over a decade. Personally, I have no problem with the pics of the plates but I suspect many others would find it easier to look at a pic of a kbd.

John
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 April 2013, 18:03:14
This looks like a really fun project, I'd love to buy a kit.

But I'm not sure about the case. I don't want to cannibalize a poker/pure, buy an expensive aluminum case, or make one myself. Will there be a community case to go with this, eventually? Something cheap, plastic maybe?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Thu, 04 April 2013, 18:12:30
Hey,

What's the absolute minimum I need to get from the GB so that I can complete the keyboard later on? I'm a little tight on cash, but don't want to miss this amazing opportunity. I'm not good with a solder, really. I think I need the soldered PCB, the plate, and stabilizers?

As a side note. I've done a little soldering before, but I'm certainly not very good with it. Can I learn to solder switches easily, or should I splurge for switches and assembly?

you need for a functioning gh60 at least: soldered pcb, pcb mount switches, pcb mount stabilizers (cherry only), keycaps, and a usb cable. (plate is optional)

soldering is pretty easy but if you are not confident in your skills, you are better off spending $25 more.

I have never soldered anything on a keyboard, but have taken the solder iron to the innards of a laptop before. It didn't explode or burn up in my face  ;D I'm less confident in being able to bring up enough money to pay for switches and assembly before the deadline, so I'll have to learn. I don't want to order stuff and end up unable to pay for it before the deadline.

I'm picking this up as a long term project, to build my ideal keyboard. I'll take my time with the case, caps, and cable. Pick them out after extended research, and buy them as I get the money for it. Shipping to EU is a *****.

By the way. To whoever is handling payment for this. Do you accept bitcoin?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 04 April 2013, 18:18:28
The minimum I would suggest is the pre-soldered PCB. You can likely buy plates, switches, stabilizers, case, keycaps, USB cable all later. But you will want at least a PCB so you don't miss out now.

As for payment, I'm pretty sure TJ is accepting Paypal only.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Noko on Thu, 04 April 2013, 18:19:36
I haven't soldered in about 15 years but I figured it'll be a lot more rewarding to do it myself.  Here's hoping I don't fry anything!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 04 April 2013, 18:20:25
I posted this answer to someone else back there somewhere, but depending on the layout you want, you may also want a plate at this moment too. Unless you're looking for a Poker layout, I'm of the feeling that plates won't be seen so often.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 04 April 2013, 18:22:21
What's the absolute minimum I need to get from the GB so that I can complete the keyboard later on? I'm a little tight on cash, but don't want to miss this amazing opportunity. I'm not good with a solder, really. I think I need the soldered PCB, the plate, and stabilizers?

Do you accept bitcoin?

Absolute minimum you'll need is a PCB and recommended to get a plate with it. These two things are pretty much a one time offer, while switches, stabilizers, case, cable, and keycaps will be the same (for the most part) no matter when you get it. These things you can source yourself later.

Don't ask for bitcoin payment, this isn't the forum for that. During my brief experimentation with bitcoins, I realized the nature of them attracts all kinds of scumbags.



But I'm not sure about the case. I don't want to cannibalize a poker/pure, buy an expensive aluminum case, or make one myself. Will there be a community case to go with this, eventually? Something cheap, plastic maybe?

I'm still in the early processes of trying to get some plastic cases 3D printed. That won't be in this GB though, too much complications and time consuming if we try to integrate it at this point.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Thu, 04 April 2013, 18:30:53
What's the absolute minimum I need to get from the GB so that I can complete the keyboard later on? I'm a little tight on cash, but don't want to miss this amazing opportunity. I'm not good with a solder, really. I think I need the soldered PCB, the plate, and stabilizers?

Do you accept bitcoin?

Absolute minimum you'll need is a PCB and recommended to get a plate with it. These two things are pretty much a one time offer, while switches, stabilizers, case, cable, and keycaps will be the same (for the most part) no matter when you get it. These things you can source yourself later.

I think that's what I'll do. Thanks.

Does anyone, by any chance, know sources of these in Europe?

Don't ask for bitcoin payment, this isn't the forum for that. During my brief experimentation with bitcoins, I realized the nature of them attracts all kinds of scumbags.

I'm sorry, I did not intend to come off as a... scumbag? Bitcoin is pretty handy for international fund transfer, so I thought I'd ask. I can use paypal too, so it's okay.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 04 April 2013, 18:55:23
lol I didn't specifically say you were a scumbag. There are a lot of decent people that believe and use bitcoins, but the nature of them attract tons of scammers. There's actually a subforum within the bitcoin forum specifically to make threads if you've been scammed. All confirmed scammers are still free to use the forum, except with a scammer tag instead of being banned. This is just a bit ridiculous. Anyways don't want to go too far off topic.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 April 2013, 19:12:03
But I'm not sure about the case. I don't want to cannibalize a poker/pure, buy an expensive aluminum case, or make one myself. Will there be a community case to go with this, eventually? Something cheap, plastic maybe?

I'm still in the early processes of trying to get some plastic cases 3D printed. That won't be in this GB though, too much complications and time consuming if we try to integrate it at this point.

Perhaps by "Rev. B" or the second GB?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: justin one on Thu, 04 April 2013, 19:16:23
I had to cancel my order. I'm sorry I really wish I could do it but just can't right now.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Thu, 04 April 2013, 19:30:38
After some quick investigation, I've decided to buy the damn thing assembled with switches and stabilizers. I'll just have to find the money somehow.

Not afraid of being able or not to solder, but the equipment I'll have to buy is far more expensive than I can justify.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Thu, 04 April 2013, 20:28:53
I hope I'm not going too far off topic. Just let me know if I should split into a thread of my own. I'm not very familiar with the politics of this forum. Please forgive the stupid questions  :-[

I'd like to get some input before I submit my order; partially, because I'm not as knowledgeable as I'd like to pretend, and also because I don't want to waste anyone's time with an incorrect order. Please tell me what you think.

Bearing in mind that I'd like to order an assembled poker layout with switches, stabilizers, and a plate:

Is there anything I should consider that I missed?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 04 April 2013, 20:31:59
^Yes to everything except the stabilizers. They have different feelings to them, but I think you'll be happy with the Costars.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mbreslin on Thu, 04 April 2013, 20:36:11
I'd be happy to pay an extra 25$ assembly fee (plus the cost to order some leds) if you would solder in leds for mine?

1. I could be dead last if you want to deal with all the easy orders first
2. If you're too busy with all the other stuff and can't do it no worries!  ;D

(cross posted from the ic thread)

Also: I decided I want a second one do I just order again or do you/jd modify the order as it stands?

Thanks!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 04 April 2013, 20:46:39
  • The universal ANSI and the Poker plate should both fit. I think I'll get the universal plate, in case I ever buy a solder iron and decide to get an extra key somewhere.
  • I do not believe there is much of a difference between stabilizers, so I'll just stick to my guns and get plate mounted costars.

Is there anything I should consider that I missed?

Per the second post, these two are not compatible. The universal plate is compatible with Cherry PCB mounted stabilizers only.

Edit: The costars should work with the Poker plate though
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 04 April 2013, 20:49:58
^Yes to everything except the stabilizers. They have different feelings to them, but I think you'll be happy with the Costars.

Aren't they non-standard stabilizer bar length though?  Where would you find the right size stabilizer?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 04 April 2013, 20:54:12
That's right, whiskeytango. I forgot about that!

nubbinator: for the Poker layout, he will need a 6.25x stabilizer. Those are prevalent in both Costar and Cherry.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Thu, 04 April 2013, 21:14:38
I feel bad for asking this, but I don't wanna read thru 20 some pages.  Here's a few questions.

1. Switches do not come assembled if I order the assembly?
2. Does anybody know of any upcoming GB's for some aluminum poker cases?  Something similar to what imsto offered, because if there isn't any opportunity for a case, i'm out.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Thu, 04 April 2013, 21:24:11
I feel bad for asking this, but I don't wanna read thru 20 some pages.  Here's a few questions.

1. Switches do not come assembled if I order the assembly?
2. Does anybody know of any upcoming GB's for some aluminum poker cases?  Something similar to what imsto offered, because if there isn't any opportunity for a case, i'm out.

Answer

1. Everything will be assembled in assembly service by JD and WFD. i.e. switches soldered, firmware flash, etc.
2. alixinhzai is selling poker acrlyic case soon. check here (http://"http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40468.0")
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 04 April 2013, 22:18:33
I'd be happy to pay an extra 25$ assembly fee (plus the cost to order some leds) if you would solder in leds for mine?

1. I could be dead last if you want to deal with all the easy orders first
2. If you're too busy with all the other stuff and can't do it no worries!  ;D

(cross posted from the ic thread)

Also: I decided I want a second one do I just order again or do you/jd modify the order as it stands?

Thanks!

I'm not sure if I will be offering any custom services during the assembly phase. And I certainly can't speak to what WFD is thinking on that matter. But probably not, given the volume of orders we are likely to have for assembly. If I decide to offer limited modding services, I will post that here when it comes closer to delivery, and you could pay me directly. Of course, you are always free to contract with someone else for assembly and mods, if you want to do that.

I just want to be upfront about it, so that no one thinks that others will receive "special treatment," while they themselves are left to fend for these services on their own.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mbreslin on Thu, 04 April 2013, 22:37:30
That's fair it's just a service I'd use if someone was offering, I could tell by the post count between the two threads as well as tons of other threads where people mention GH60 that you'll all be very busy hence #2 from my post.

I have a hakko fx888 but I have a busy schedule as well as 3 young boys. Also I'm a mediocre at best solderer (as well as lazy).

Regarding a second pcb/plate/switch set do I just order again?

Thanks.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Thu, 04 April 2013, 23:22:10
That poker case is beautiful.  I don't know how to solder so I have to think about this one.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 04 April 2013, 23:50:05
Regarding a second pcb/plate/switch set do I just order again?

Underneath "ORDER FORM" and "POLL" in the OP is a link for "Order Changes." It's sort of hidden there. Just fill that out and we will update your order.


Also, for everyone, all order changes submitted to date have been updated in the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 05 April 2013, 02:56:19
WFD said "The drawback is that you must use PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers, no other stabilizers option." for Universal Plates.

I'm wondering if this is true or not, assuming you don't plan to change any switches with stabs after putting it together. After viewing the PCB and universal Plates, my intuition tells me it'd be fine to use Plate mounted stabs and that Cherry PCB stabs are only recommended so people can move around stab area switches. Is my thinking correct?

Also, and this is related to the above, can we do more of a true HHKB (6.25 spacebar) with a 1.5x/1x to the right, thus making it look identical to an HHKB? Again, after looking at the PCB and universal Plate, it looks like it would work to me, but would probably require a Universal plate.

Edit - Errrr I guess there will probably be a problem with the stabs moving left and right making them not very stable lol. So no HHKB w/ 6.25 spacebar hmmm decisions decisions :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Fri, 05 April 2013, 03:08:37
Will the plates be anodized is some form or just plain aluminum look?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 05 April 2013, 03:21:46
WFD said "The drawback is that you must use PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers, no other stabilizers option." for Universal Plates.

I'm wondering if this is true or not, assuming you don't plan to change any switches with stabs after putting it together. After viewing the PCB and universal Plates, my intuition tells me it'd be fine to use Plate mounted stabs and that Cherry PCB stabs are only recommended so people can move around stab area switches. Is my thinking correct?
Of course it's true. Because I said so  ^-^

Actually the real reason why you can't use costar or plate-mounted cherry stabilizers is because these two mount directly on the plate. The universal design has an empty space where the stabilizers are suppose to clip onto the plate, and this space in the plate is needed for other switch positions of other layouts.


Also, for everyone, all order changes submitted to date have been updated in the spreadsheet.

Man there were about 50 new pending requests for order changes. Now I feel bad for leaving most of them. I didn't think you were going to do them all in 1 sitting.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 05 April 2013, 03:31:10
Will the plates be anodized is some form or just plain aluminum look?

Stainless steel, it's in the OP. Steel can't be anodized, only painted or powder coated.

The reason why I went with stainless steel instead of aluminum is because even though it's stiffer than aluminum, it can be laser cut faster and use up less gas, so the cutting will cost a tad less, even though the material itself will cost ~3 times more. Also tolerance will be  tad better because it's less prone to melting and deforming.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Fri, 05 April 2013, 03:55:32
Will the plates be anodized is some form or just plain aluminum look?

Stainless steel, it's in the OP. Steel can't be anodized, only painted or powder coated.

The reason why I went with stainless steel instead of aluminum is because even though it's stiffer than aluminum, it can be laser cut faster and use up less gas, so the cutting will cost a tad less, even though the material itself will cost ~3 times more. Also tolerance will be  tad better because it's less prone to melting and deforming.
Thank you I must have missed it, will place my order on sunday :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 07:05:42
On the right side, at top or bottom of posts, click unnotify.

Edit: or click Notifications at the top panel, click the checkbox next to the ones you don't want, and click unnotify.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 07:23:27
Also, and this is related to the above, can we do more of a true HHKB (6.25 spacebar) with a 1.5x/1x to the right, thus making it look identical to an HHKB? Again, after looking at the PCB and universal Plate, it looks like it would work to me, but would probably require a Universal plate.

Edit - Errrr I guess there will probably be a problem with the stabs moving left and right making them not very stable lol. So no HHKB w/ 6.25 spacebar hmmm decisions decisions :)

Actually, the "exactly 100% true" HHKB layout is this: (1.5)-1.0-1.5-6.0-1.5-1.0-(1.0)-(1.5)

These switch positions are supported by the PCB. The 6.0-unit spacebar has an offset center stem, so that it uses the switch position for the 7.0-unit spacebar. However, I don't think the spacebar stabilizer holes exist on the PCB for the 6.0-unit spacebar's outer stems. I'm not totally sure about that, but I will check it in a bit and edit this section accordingly. Edit: The stabilizer holes for the 6.0-unit are basically a hybrid of the 7.0-unit spacebar's (left and center stems) and the 6.25-unit spacebar's (right stem). So you can actually make this layout work without a plate, or with the Universal plate (I think) with PCB-mount stabilizers.

There is currently (that I know of) only one case design that implements the blocked ends on the bottom row to replicate the HHKB design, and that's WFD's case. It would be up to him whether he wanted to change the design of the case top and plate to incorporate the rare 6.0-unit spacebar for a 100% true replica, or stay with the current design which utilizes the much more commonly found 7.0-unit spacebar. And (to my eye) fixes the asymmetry of the HHKB's bottom row.

For everyone else besides Jocelyn and jcrouse, don't worry, nothing has changed. Continue to place orders. No need to worry about this. It was posted as an FYI. Anyway, it's TL; so DR. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 07:26:27
I agree with jd about the symmetry and availability. It just seems a much wiser choice.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 07:36:19
You want to remove them from there? I don't think you can do that...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:17:10
Thanks WhiteFireDragon and jdcarpe. I was really more curious than anything and wanted to understand before I chose :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:20:59
Also, for everyone, all order changes submitted to date have been updated in the spreadsheet.

Man there were about 50 new pending requests for order changes. Now I feel bad for leaving most of them. I didn't think you were going to do them all in 1 sitting.

Don't feel bad. I had been slacking, and decided to get some work done. :P
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jcrouse on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:31:30
Also, for everyone, all order changes submitted to date have been updated in the spreadsheet.

Man there were about 50 new pending requests for order changes. Now I feel bad for leaving most of them. I didn't think you were going to do them all in 1 sitting.

Don't feel bad. I had been slacking, and decided to get some work done. :P

Well, stop that and focus on this outstanding offer, priorities man, priorities.

John
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:37:47
Boom! LOL. ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/kXiVNqR.png)

* * *  REQUIRES RARE 6.0-UNIT SPACEBAR * * *

!!! EXAMPLE ONLY -- NOT CURRENTLY OFFERED FOR SALE IN THIS GB !!!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:44:10
thats a 6x spacebar? why would someone want that?
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:45:21
thats a 6x spacebar? why would someone want that?

HHKB replica :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:45:57
thats a 6x spacebar? why would someone want that?
Because everyone is different and people like different things and not always the same thing? :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:47:34
Just like why does someone want a 10x spacebar...'Cause they f*cking can. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: funkymeeba on Fri, 05 April 2013, 10:48:36
thats a 6x spacebar? why would someone want that?
Because everyone is different and people like different things and not always the same thing? :)

That is crazy talk. Keep it confined to the loony bin. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 05 April 2013, 11:16:00
Also, and this is related to the above, can we do more of a true HHKB (6.25 spacebar) with a 1.5x/1x to the right, thus making it look identical to an HHKB? Again, after looking at the PCB and universal Plate, it looks like it would work to me, but would probably require a Universal plate.

Edit - Errrr I guess there will probably be a problem with the stabs moving left and right making them not very stable lol. So no HHKB w/ 6.25 spacebar hmmm decisions decisions :)

Actually, the "exactly 100% true" HHKB layout is this: (1.5)-1.0-1.5-6.0-1.5-1.0-(1.0)-(1.5)

These switch positions are supported by the PCB. The 6.0-unit spacebar has an offset center stem, so that it uses the switch position for the 7.0-unit spacebar. However, I don't think the spacebar stabilizer holes exist on the PCB for the 6.0-unit spacebar's outer stems. I'm not totally sure about that, but I will check it in a bit and edit this section accordingly. Edit: The stabilizer holes for the 6.0-unit are basically a hybrid of the 7.0-unit spacebar's (left and center stems) and the 6.25-unit spacebar's (right stem). So you can actually make this layout work without a plate, or with the Universal plate (I think) with PCB-mount stabilizers.

The universal plate will work with the HHKB replica bottom row. And not only that, you can actually mount plate-mounted cherry stabilizers for the spacebar. The Enter and L-shift key however must still use PCB-mounted stabilizers.

However, even if there was a dedicated plate like jdcarpe drew, the case must also match the bottom row. Since the right and left block are not the same size, I would have to make a new top cover. If you're fine with paying absurd prices to have one made, then I can design this one-off. But I can't force everyone to go with this HHKB replica because it REQUIRES a 6x spacebar, which is not easy to find, won't match all sets, and will most likely already be used.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tricheboars on Fri, 05 April 2013, 11:37:52
with all the effort, time, and money going into making a GH60 HHKB it would be cheaper and easier to just buy a HHKB.  the GH60 is an opportunity for people to make their own unique layouts. so what if you have a 6.25x or 7x spacebar? your board isnt a hhkb, it is a GH60 with cherry switches.  i guess i just see it as a waste of the GH60's full potential.

i am not telling any of yall what to do. just thought this line of thinking should be shared. also take what i say with a  grain of salt since i am not building a HHKB GH60, i am making 2 poker style ansi boards with a better function layer.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 11:38:44
The universal plate will work with the HHKB replica bottom row. And not only that, you can actually mount plate-mounted cherry stabilizers for the spacebar. The Enter and L-shift key however must still use PCB-mounted stabilizers.

However, even if there was a dedicated plate like jdcarpe drew, the case must also match the bottom row. Since the right and left block are not the same size, I would have to make a new top cover. If you're fine with paying absurd prices to have one made, then I can design this one-off. But I can't force everyone to go with this HHKB replica because it REQUIRES a 6x spacebar, which is not easy to find, won't match all sets, and will most likely already be used.

I'm down for a "true replica" top cover and plate, even if it's expensive. Maybe a couple other people would go in, as well?

I have 1 or 2 (can't remember) 6.0-unit spacebars in DSA profile coming from the DSA Retro GB.


with all the effort, time, and money going into making a GH60 HHKB it would be cheaper and easier to just buy a HHKB.

Except you get to use Cherry switches, and don't have to deal with rubber domes, er cups. ;D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: hankz on Fri, 05 April 2013, 11:40:26
Boom! LOL. ;D

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/kXiVNqR.png)


* * *  REQUIRES RARE 6.0-UNIT SPACEBAR * * *

!!! EXAMPLE ONLY -- NOT CURRENTLY OFFERED FOR SALE IN THIS GB !!!
woo~

Can i get poker layout plate for GH60 cad file.

i want to match my case to draw some hole for screw.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 05 April 2013, 11:45:11
Boom! LOL. ;D

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/kXiVNqR.png)


* * *  REQUIRES RARE 6.0-UNIT SPACEBAR * * *

!!! EXAMPLE ONLY -- NOT CURRENTLY OFFERED FOR SALE IN THIS GB !!!
woo~

Can i get poker layout plate for GH60 cad file.

i want to match my case to draw some hole for screw.

the holes on the plate are not 100% concentric with the hole in the PCB (at least for the poker plates I have), but are close enough to mount screws
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 05 April 2013, 11:47:22
Can i get poker layout plate for GH60 cad file.

i want to match my case to draw some hole for screw.

If you're designing your own case, you need to reference standoffs to the PCB, not the plate. Only 1 of Those screw holes are correct, the rest are off.  alixinhzai designed the initial poker plate with those screw holes, and the positions are only approximated.

edit: Beast beat me to it.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: hankz on Fri, 05 April 2013, 12:11:58
well~

i know that.

because i don't have any software to open pcb's cad file.

so i don't know the position is right or not.

maybe until i get the pcb.

thanks a lot
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 05 April 2013, 12:37:57
Fair Reasons for a 6x spacebar...i was just curious

anyhere here planning on getting that?

i have chaged my layout from hhkb to winkeyless
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 19:34:24
247 ordered so far...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 05 April 2013, 19:41:34
Just like why does someone want a 10x spacebar...'Cause they f*cking can. :D

We f*king can?  Really?  That would be awesome.  I suppose it is really a matter of plate-mounted stabs for the spacebar.

Sounds like a job for my WYSE terminal keycaps!

Universal plate supports this?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)

p.s.  Apologies if this was all covered above, I try to keep up with the thread, but sometimes it zooms by too fast!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 19:44:27
Just like why does someone want a 10x spacebar...'Cause they f*cking can. :D

We f*king can?  Really?  That would be awesome.  I suppose it is really a matter of plate-mounted stabs for the spacebar.

Sounds like a job for my WYSE terminal keycaps!

Universal plate supports this?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


p.s.  Apologies if this was all covered above, I try to keep up with the thread, but sometimes it zooms by too fast!


No, there is no current plate that will support a 10x spacebar. Nor are there stabilizer holes in the correct places in the PCB for a 10x spacebar. The PCB supports the 1.5-1.0-10.0-1.0-1.5 layout with switch positions.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 05 April 2013, 19:44:31
Just like why does someone want a 10x spacebar...'Cause they f*cking can. :D

We f*king can?  Really?  That would be awesome.  I suppose it is really a matter of plate-mounted stabs for the spacebar.

Sounds like a job for my WYSE terminal keycaps!

Universal plate supports this?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


p.s.  Apologies if this was all covered above, I try to keep up with the thread, but sometimes it zooms by too fast!


Haha, i'm not actually sure if the plate supports it. I just saw someone suggest the layout earlier in this thread. Sorry if I got your hopes up!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 April 2013, 19:47:37
6 unit space is not rare, you can get them off cheapo G81-7000 and the like. Unless someone doesn't want to use Cherry keycaps for some insane reason...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Muffet on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:14:59
well~

i know that.

because i don't have any software to open pcb's cad file.

so i don't know the position is right or not.

maybe until i get the pcb.

thanks a lot

This. I have the opportunity to design my own case and machine out at my university, but I don't know the measurements needed. Is there any way the measurements for standoffs, overall dimensions for PCB, and plate and the like can be made available?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: n0rvig on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:20:33
Speaking of rare spacebars, how tricky would it be to get a 5x spacebar onto a GH60? The idea being to make a layout similar to the Apple keyboards.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:22:53
I can add plates for 6x and 10x spacebars, but they'll be made as "one-offs" as long as you understand it will cost more. Also IvanIvanovich's plate layout will be considered one-off too since the current quantity is exactly... zero lol.

Does anyone have a 6x and 10x spacebar you can take a pic of? Flip it over and take a pic of them right on top of a standard 6.25x spacebar. Align one of the outer stems for the stabilizer right on top of each other. I just need to visually see it to make the stem distances


6 unit space is not rare, you can get them off cheapo G81-7000 and the like. Unless someone doesn't want to use Cherry keycaps for some insane reason...
Maybe rare was a bad choice of words, but they're less common and harder to get than a 6.25x or 7x spacebar.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:35:49
6
6.25
10
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/DSC01760_zps8b83af16.jpg)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:39:23
This one is for Ron (and other 10x spacebar fans), again, just fictional...

(http://i.imgur.com/ZntxEMV.png)

WFD, the spacebar stem locations on my 6x and 10x plates are correct. I can send you the drawings if you like.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:43:42
Ha! I asked jd about a 10x spacebar when we met up last month... I think I would grab one of those plates. What kind of price estimate would you think for one off plates?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:44:03
6
6.25
10
Show Image
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/DSC01760_zps8b83af16.jpg)


Holy Moly!!!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:46:14
Do you like big space bars? :P
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tarzan on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:46:57
6
6.25
10
Show Image
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/DSC01760_zps8b83af16.jpg)


Whoah!  That 10x bar is a monster!

(It would totally look vintage on a GH60 board, with some retro spherical keys in a nice Dolch colorway...)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:52:15
I wish I still had my 15 units... but I used it to stir some paint then threw it out LOL.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: hankz on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:53:58
well~

i know that.

because i don't have any software to open pcb's cad file.

so i don't know the position is right or not.

maybe until i get the pcb.

thanks a lot

This. I have the opportunity to design my own case and machine out at my university, but I don't know the measurements needed. Is there any way the measurements for standoffs, overall dimensions for PCB, and plate and the like can be made available?

There is one thing that  I know  is the PCB's size.

So I design the case to match the PCB.

The other dimensions, you should get the final PCB that can be confirmed.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:57:34
I wish I still had my 15 units... but I used it to stir some paint then threw it out LOL.
15x!? Now we're just talkin' crazy...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:00:34
I wish I still had my 15 units... but I used it to stir some paint then threw it out LOL.

ROFL! Hilarious post is hilarious... I'd like to see one on a GH60
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:12:29
Entire bottom row, 1 keycap... problem?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:20:59
This one is for Ron (and other 10x spacebar fans), again, just fictional...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZntxEMV.png)


WFD, the spacebar stem locations on my 6x and 10x plates are correct. I can send you the drawings if you like.


What is outboard of that bar? 1.25 x 2 on each side? 1.50?

[edit] Oh. 10 + (1.25 x 4) = 15. Got it. [/edit]
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:21:38
Exactly, one keycap for bottom row lol. No problems :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:27:22
Would it be possible instead to make it either 1-1.5-10-1.5-1 or 1.5-1-10-1-1.5?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:34:03
What is outboard of that bar? 1.25 x 2 on each side? 1.50?

[edit] Oh. 10 + (1.25 x 4) = 15. Got it. [/edit]

Actually, those are 1.5-1-10-1-1.5


Would it be possible instead to make it either 1-1.5-10-1.5-1 or 1.5-1-10-1-1.5?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:37:46
Mmm, yes.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:59:55
Jd just wanted to make sure you got my PM.  When I sent it I had spotty 4G and the PM system doesn't seem to log my sent messages. No rush for an answer though, I know your busy.  Just wanted to be sure the damned thing actually sent.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 22:04:08
To see messages you've sent that haven't been replied to, go to Messages, then hover over Messages (next to Actions and Preferences) then click on Sent Items (as long as you had the save PM checkbox checked).
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Fri, 05 April 2013, 22:20:11
To see messages you've sent that haven't been replied to, go to Messages, then hover over Messages (next to Actions and Preferences) then click on Sent Items (as long as you had the save PM checkbox checked).
Huh the more you know.  I'm used to IPB forums rather than this.  Is it set to save PM automatically?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 April 2013, 22:22:47
Jd just wanted to make sure you got my PM.  When I sent it I had spotty 4G and the PM system doesn't seem to log my sent messages. No rush for an answer though, I know your busy.  Just wanted to be sure the damned thing actually sent.

Yes, I got your PM, but I hadn't replied until just now. Sorry it took so long, but thanks for reminding me. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 05 April 2013, 22:31:06
I am a fan of the 10x space bar too. I thought some of my old WYSE space bars were 10x, but, upon inspection, it appears they may be 9.75x? I took some pics and lined up the left edge with the left edge of the A key. The right edge was just a little shy of lining up with the ;: key. I guess it would still work with just a slight gap on either side (0.125 units)?


[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

Also, Pics of space bars: Top to Bottom: 6.25x from WYSE moogle, 6.25x universal from SP, 7x from WYSE tsangan set, and 9.75x/10x? from WYSE terminal board

[attach=4]

EDIT: I was thinking about doing a stem mod on the 10x to make the stabilizer locations match the ones for the 7x. But I would consider a dedicated plate for this, depending on price increase. And I think you could make the rest of the plate match the universal layout, that way we still would have options for the other switch locations/layouts. Just a thought.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 05 April 2013, 22:34:04
To see messages you've sent that haven't been replied to, go to Messages, then hover over Messages (next to Actions and Preferences) then click on Sent Items (as long as you had the save PM checkbox checked).
Huh the more you know.  I'm used to IPB forums rather than this.  Is it set to save PM automatically?
If it's not, then there is a setting somewhere to make it be checked automatically.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 06 April 2013, 00:59:45
6
6.25
10
 *img snipped*

I am a fan of the 10x space bar too. I thought some of my old WYSE space bars were 10x, but, upon inspection, it appears they may be 9.75x? I took some pics and lined up the left edge with the left edge of the A key. The right edge was just a little shy of lining up with the ;: key. I guess it would still work with just a slight gap on either side (0.125 units)?

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Also, Pics of space bars: Top to Bottom: 6.25x from WYSE moogle, 6.25x universal from SP, 7x from WYSE tsangan set, and 9.75x/10x? from WYSE terminal board
(Attachment Link)

Wow thanks for pics. I'll look into this.



WFD, the spacebar stem locations on my 6x and 10x plates are correct. I can send you the drawings if you like.

I just got your email for the spacebar sizes. Haven't looked at it yet, but for the 10x size, how did you know the outside stem positions for the stabilizers? Was this something you measured or calculated? If it's calculated or you got it from a schematic somewhere, then it'll be more exact than something that was physically measured.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Sat, 06 April 2013, 04:22:15
^DT wiki says they're 3.5x in from the edges, at least on that one lysol posted.

Also, I think I agree with wt about the rest being universal to allow for some fun in layouts.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 06 April 2013, 12:49:47
The Cherry MX data sheet gives the "A" dimension for 10x space bars, same as 8x... 5.25"
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 06 April 2013, 12:54:39

I have 1 or 2 (can't remember) 6.0-unit spacebars in DSA profile coming from the DSA Retro GB.


Beware.  I was excited about the 6x space in the DSA groupbuy because my board uses 6x.  But according to that thread they don't use the offcenter switch from Cherry boards, but instead a crazy center stemmed thing that doesn't fit anything.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 06 April 2013, 13:01:18
What is outboard of that bar? 1.25 x 2 on each side? 1.50?

[edit] Oh. 10 + (1.25 x 4) = 15. Got it. [/edit]

Actually, those are 1.5-1-10-1-1.5


Would it be possible instead to make it either 1-1.5-10-1.5-1 or 1.5-1-10-1-1.5?


The answer to the second question was too subtle for me.  Could you elaborate, please?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 06 April 2013, 13:04:05
Looking at some of the terminal boards, some have 1-1.5-10-1.5-1 as Left - Mod - Space - Mod2 - Right.

And then the 2.75 R_Shift is split into 1.75-1 as R_Shift - Up.

That would make a coolio retro GH60.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 06 April 2013, 13:11:40
No, the PCB doesn't have switch locations for 1x keys on the ends. Sorry. :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 06 April 2013, 13:12:13
Looking at some of the terminal boards, some have 1-1.5-10-1.5-1 as Left - Mod - Space - Mod2 - Right.

And then the 2.75 R_Shift is split into 1.75-1 as R_Shift - Up.

That would make a coolio retro GH60.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


[edit] Sadly, according to the GH60 Layout Master, it has to be 1.5-1-10-1-1.5. [/edit]
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 06 April 2013, 13:13:47
The Cherry MX data sheet gives the "A" dimension for 10x space bars, same as 8x... 5.25"

I measured mine and used that dimension...5.25"

Meaning the measurement from the center stem to each outboard stem is 66.675 mm as calculated by me.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 06 April 2013, 13:18:19
No, the PCB doesn't have switch locations for 1x keys on the ends. Sorry. :(

I see that now that I am on my workstation instead of my dang tablet.

Looks like 1.5-1-10-1-1.5 and 1.25-1.25-10-1.25-1.25 are both supported.

Can you send me the DWG file for the imaginary plate?  I might play with it for imaginary use with old WYSE terminal keycap sets and the GH60.

Thanks very much!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)

p.s.  Everyone should measure their 10x lengths and stem spacing and post that info along with the spacebar's provenance.  I will do just that.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Chase5delta on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:25:10
Man I wish the order form wasn't so confusing, I feel like I am going to **** up and forget something. Also, sorry if this has already been asked, if we pay for assembly, do you solder on the switches? I am looking to basically buy a completed keyboard and not have to do any soldering.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:30:22
What's so confusing about it? You get a PCB and choose a plate. Switches and stabilizers are optional. The assembly will get you an almost complete keyboard, you'll still need to get a case and USB cable. But if you choose the assembly option, you'll obviously have to order switches and stablizers too, unless you send those in.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:31:21
Man I wish the order form wasn't so confusing, I feel like I am going to **** up and forget something. Also, sorry if this has already been asked, if we pay for assembly, do you solder on the switches? I am looking to basically buy a completed keyboard and not have to do any soldering.

If you mess up we can help you fix it. If you buy the GH60 PCB (SMD presoldered), plate (optional), stabilizers, switches, and assembly service, you will receive a complete keyboard, without a case or USB cable.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Chase5delta on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:34:26
Ok thanks, gonna try to get my order in when I get home.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cyberwave on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:34:52
have a question regarding the GH60...

i noticed the switches for the bottom row are mounted at 90degrees. i wonder how standard keycaps would fit

if im not wrong, the horizontal and vertical axes of the stem have different widths. meaning keycaps can only be mounted the right way/rotated 180degrees and doesnt allow it to be installed at 90degrees  :confused:

correct me if im wrong  :-X
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:36:15
have a question regarding the GH60...

i noticed the switches for the bottom row are mounted at 90degrees. i wonder how standard keycaps would fit

if im not wrong, the horizontal and vertical axes of the stem have different widths. meaning keycaps can only be mounted the right way/rotated 180degrees and doesnt allow it to be installed at 90degrees  :confused:

correct me if im wrong  :-X

All switches (except ISO Enter) in the final PCB revision will be rotated either 0 or 180 degrees.

You can install keycaps on 90 degree rotated switches. See my "Post Your GH60" thread...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: longweight on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:37:37
Cancelled my order.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cyberwave on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:44:41
opps seems like i jumped the gun  :-[

i tried fitting it on 90degrees and the keycaps do fit in though it does take a bit more strength to get the cap on.

thanks for the clarification :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:48:00
^DT wiki says they're 3.5x in from the edges, at least on that one lysol posted.
The Cherry MX data sheet gives the "A" dimension for 10x space bars, same as 8x... 5.25"

Can you point me to the link? The I can't find the datasheet for offset 6x, 6.25x, and 10x spacebars. The only one I found is this one:

http://cherrycorp.com/english/switches/key/mx.htm
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Sat, 06 April 2013, 16:05:34
Submitted order.  Hopefully I got everything I need.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 06 April 2013, 16:13:00
Ok here's a new flexible plate so far. It will work with 10x, as well as some weird 8x and 9x spacebars. It supports both 1.5x and 1.25x modifiers if you're using a 10x spacebar. Obviously the inside switch slots will be covered up by the spacebar if you're using a 10x size. Those inner switch slots next to the stabilizer slots are there if you're somehow using a 8x or 9x size, but I'm not sure if the PCB has proper spacing for the correct keycap sizes there. Those two extras switch holes are there just in case.

With this, you MUST use plate-mounted cherry stabilizers for the spacebar. Costar is not option because making the wire for it will be a pain the ass. PCB-mounted stabilizers is not an option because the PCB does not have holes there. The rest of smaller stabilizers must use PCB-mounted cherry to keep the flexibility of layouts.

[attach=1]



Quote
^DT wiki says they're 3.5x in from the edges
Based on this 3.5x unit and cherry's 5.25" distances apart, the numbers match up to 2.625" distance from switch center to one stabilizer center, so that's how I made the plate. It should be correct. I'm still looking into the offset spacebars.

Btw "3.5x unit in" is not from the edge of the spacebar. It's from the center space between the spacebar and the adjacent key.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 06 April 2013, 16:42:44
Will this do 1.5 - 1 - 10 - 1 - 1.5 ?

Thanks!

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 06 April 2013, 16:51:39
1.5 - 1 - 10 - 1 - 1.5

1.25 - 1.25 - 10 - 1.25 - 1.25

These both work for 10x spacebar size, supported by the plate and PCB.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 06 April 2013, 17:01:33
^DT wiki says they're 3.5x in from the edges, at least on that one lysol posted.
The Cherry MX data sheet gives the "A" dimension for 10x space bars, same as 8x... 5.25"

Can you point me to the link? The I can't find the datasheet for offset 6x, 6.25x, and 10x spacebars. The only one I found is this one:

http://cherrycorp.com/english/switches/key/mx.htm

That's the link.  Doesn't have 6x or 6.25x, but it has 10x.  Never heard of off-center 10x.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Sat, 06 April 2013, 21:58:50
Regarding a few of the "confusing order form" posts, I think much of the form assumes that the user understands what a plate and stabilizers are and a bit about the difference between the stabilizers.  In fact, some newish users don't know anything except basic switch color differences and that it's a cool looking "custom" keyboard.  (I know this because 2 different non-keyboard-nut friends of mine have asked me to help them order this GB!)  I'm not saying you need to address this, but it probably does explain people being confused.  If you understand the basic components of a keyboard and how they fit together, then it's not at all.

Perhaps a couple "pre built" options for popular configs?  Or just add a few dumbed down topics to the OP to explain what's what. (or link to it)  Just a thought. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Sun, 07 April 2013, 12:37:22
I have one last question before ordering, I assume only standard MX switches are available?
As in no ergo-clears on buying this?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 07 April 2013, 12:40:16
I have one last question before ordering, I assume only standard MX switches are available?
As in no ergo-clears on buying this?

You assume correctly.

If you wanted ergo-clears, you would have to buy clears, plus the same amount of either blues, reds, or browns. Then contract with someone outside of the GB to assemble for you, as that would not be covered in standard assembly.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Sun, 07 April 2013, 12:47:24
I have one last question before ordering, I assume only standard MX switches are available?
As in no ergo-clears on buying this?

You assume correctly.

If you wanted ergo-clears, you would have to buy clears, plus the same amount of either blues, reds, or browns. Then contract with someone outside of the GB to assemble for you, as that would not be covered in standard assembly.
I will just buy korean springs later on and switch them out myself since the plates allow for easy top removal.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 07 April 2013, 12:49:18
I have one last question before ordering, I assume only standard MX switches are available?
As in no ergo-clears on buying this?

You assume correctly.

If you wanted ergo-clears, you would have to buy clears, plus the same amount of either blues, reds, or browns. Then contract with someone outside of the GB to assemble for you, as that would not be covered in standard assembly.
I will just buy korean springs later on and switch them out myself since the plates allow for easy top removal.

Good idea! :D
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fydo on Sun, 07 April 2013, 13:10:50
This may be a silly question, but will the "Poker" style plate from this GB work with an actual Poker PCB?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 07 April 2013, 13:13:31
This may be a silly question, but will the "Poker" style plate from this GB work with an actual Poker PCB?

Yes, it will! :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Sun, 07 April 2013, 14:50:27
Just sent my order in. I hope I got it all right. I'm kinda nervous, since it's my first GB ;D

I'll be watching out for cases over the summer. Some of those projects look really nice!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 07 April 2013, 14:56:53
This may be a silly question, but will the "Poker" style plate from this GB work with an actual Poker PCB?

Yes, it will! :D

So by that logic, the Pure plate will work on Pures right? :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 07 April 2013, 15:02:37
A ridiculously large 10x spacebar in a compact keyboard. I like this contrast of an oversized key in a small form factor. It's on the plate I just posted above.

[attach=1]




So by that logic, the Pure plate will work on Pures right? :D

Yes, will fit Pure and the stock case perfectly.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Sun, 07 April 2013, 15:04:40
That thing looks crazy! I'd type dat.
(http://www.troll.me/images/obama-meh/id-type-that.jpg)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nebo on Sun, 07 April 2013, 15:12:30
A ridiculously large 10x spacebar in a compact keyboard. I like this contrast of an oversized key in a small form factor. It's on the plate I just posted above.

If only I had a 10x spacebar... I'm going to be kicking it old fashioned 7x space bar normal HHKB style.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: whiskytango on Sun, 07 April 2013, 16:18:31
Ok here's a new flexible plate so far. It will work with 10x, as well as some weird 8x and 9x spacebars. It supports both 1.5x and 1.25x modifiers if you're using a 10x spacebar. Obviously the inside switch slots will be covered up by the spacebar if you're using a 10x size. Those inner switch slots next to the stabilizer slots are there if you're somehow using a 8x or 9x size, but I'm not sure if the PCB has proper spacing for the correct keycap sizes there. Those two extras switch holes are there just in case.

With this, you MUST use plate-mounted cherry stabilizers for the spacebar. Costar is not option because making the wire for it will be a pain the ass. PCB-mounted stabilizers is not an option because the PCB does not have holes there. The rest of smaller stabilizers must use PCB-mounted cherry to keep the flexibility of layouts.

This is awesome! I like it! Do you think it would be possible to add cutouts for a 7x spacebar to this plate also? That way you have just a little more compatibility?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 07 April 2013, 16:25:23
A ridiculously large 10x spacebar in a compact keyboard. I like this contrast of an oversized key in a small form factor. It's on the plate I just posted above.

lol that's kinda sorta (not really) like putting a 680 in an SG05
Edit - I guess the above would be more comparable to using a 15x spacebar.

Carrying this over because I'm nice :)
Ok here's a new flexible plate so far. It will work with 10x, as well as some weird 8x and 9x spacebars. It supports both 1.5x and 1.25x modifiers if you're using a 10x spacebar. Obviously the inside switch slots will be covered up by the spacebar if you're using a 10x size. Those inner switch slots next to the stabilizer slots are there if you're somehow using a 8x or 9x size, but I'm not sure if the PCB has proper spacing for the correct keycap sizes there. Those two extras switch holes are there just in case.

With this, you MUST use plate-mounted cherry stabilizers for the spacebar. Costar is not option because making the wire for it will be a pain the ass. PCB-mounted stabilizers is not an option because the PCB does not have holes there. The rest of smaller stabilizers must use PCB-mounted cherry to keep the flexibility of layouts.

This is awesome! I like it! Do you think it would be possible to add cutouts for a 7x spacebar to this plate also? That way you have just a little more compatibility?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 07 April 2013, 17:07:22
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-0499

Here is that link, and you were right. I read it too quickly, but it is 3.5x from the center stem. Sorry...

Also, that plate is perfect, WFD. And by my calculations (assuming we can use plates from this buy in it...) that would fit perfectly in your HHKB case!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Aleksander on Sun, 07 April 2013, 17:51:49
eeeeeehhhrrmm... is there any way to check if I remembered to submit my order?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 07 April 2013, 19:28:11
This is awesome! I like it! Do you think it would be possible to add cutouts for a 7x spacebar to this plate also? That way you have just a little more compatibility?

You read my mind. I was in the middle of drawing up this plate when you wrote this. I'm just deciding whether to add the 7x spacebar cutouts into this 10x spacebar plate, or just integrate this 10x spacebar design into existing 1.5x plates. If I do this second option, goods news for you is that you won't have to pay the high price tier of 1-2 plate to have one-off made, but it might increase the cost for everyone else by like 50cents because of the added cut lengths.



http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-0499 (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-0499)

Here is that link, and you were right. I read it too quickly, but it is 3.5x from the center stem. Sorry...

Also, that plate is perfect, WFD. And by my calculations (assuming we can use plates from this buy in it...) that would fit perfectly in your HHKB case!

It's actually both and very symmetrical. It's 3.5x units in from the center space (between spacebar and adjacent key) to the center stabilizer stem, and also 3.5x units from the center switch to center stabilizer stem. I realized this when making the plate.

Yeah it'll fit both standard case and HHKB case. There was a pic of a render of real key sizes just in the last page lol
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 07 April 2013, 21:09:15
I would love if it was added for more compatibility to existing plates for only 50 cents. I already have a lot of plates in my basket... :/
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 08 April 2013, 02:57:27
eeeeeehhhrrmm... is there any way to check if I remembered to submit my order?
Yes, you did;)
1 GH60 and 1 ISO 1.25 plate, right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mm87 on Mon, 08 April 2013, 05:25:53
Changed my order a bit.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pix3l_fodder on Mon, 08 April 2013, 07:31:45
Can you confirm my order? Sounds silly but i miss ordered a crap load of stabs.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:15:36
What is everyone's favorite Stabilizer?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:22:25
Can you confirm my order? Sounds silly but i miss ordered a crap load of stabs.

Have you down for 1x set of Cherry plate mount stabs
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: polarpigs on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:23:26
What is everyone's favorite Stabilizer?

I'm stuck on this too, not sure if I should go with Costar or plate mounted Cherries :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: whiskytango on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:30:40
This is awesome! I like it! Do you think it would be possible to add cutouts for a 7x spacebar to this plate also? That way you have just a little more compatibility?

You read my mind. I was in the middle of drawing up this plate when you wrote this. I'm just deciding whether to add the 7x spacebar cutouts into this 10x spacebar plate, or just integrate this 10x spacebar design into existing 1.5x plates. If I do this second option, goods news for you is that you won't have to pay the high price tier of 1-2 plate to have one-off made, but it might increase the cost for everyone else by like 50cents because of the added cut lengths.

Adding to existing plates is probably the best idea. You lose the option of making all the other stabilizer positions "universal", but it would keep cost down. Unless you can figure out a way to add the 10x capability to the universal plates, but I don't see how with lack of PCB mount stab support for the 10x. Thanks for doing this though!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pix3l_fodder on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:32:54
i went with cherrys because i don't want to try and make a stab bar for the spacebar, i heard you can't buy them :S
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:38:34
Costar 6.25x spacebar wires are readily available. 7x wires for Costar would have to be custom made.

Cherry 6.25x and 7x spacebar wires should be available, and if not, they are easy to bend, as it is only two 90 degree bends at the correct length.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: KennyR on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:42:54
Hello lovely folk, I'm posting this to make sure I fill in my order correctly.

After reading through 26 pages in this thread, I believe I need the following:
I don't require switches.

With this, I hope to assemble a poker style GH60. So from the above list I need 1 PCB, 1 poker plate and a stabilizer set, correct?
The other PCB is used for testing some universal layouts and the GH60 layout. For this I need 1 PCB, 1 Universal plate, 1 GH60 plate and a stabilizer set, if I'm not mistaking?

The spacebar wire needed in the GH60 and Poker layout is 6.25x right?

And below you can see how I filled in my order form to get the above specifications.

If I filled it in correctly, can someone let me know so I can order? ;)

Ps: thank you everybody who contributed to this project!

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Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:44:18
@KennyR Looks good to me! :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: KennyR on Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:57:12
@KennyR Looks good to me! :D

Thank you! I'll order right away!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: polarpigs on Mon, 08 April 2013, 09:49:46
@jdcarpe Just placed my order, can you please check if my comments/notes for the shipping are ok? Would that be possible?  :-[
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 09:52:44
@jdcarpe Just placed my order, can you please check if my comments/notes for the shipping are ok? Would that be possible?  :-[

Yes, that is fine. One of us will contact you when they are ready to ship to verify your shipping address at that time.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mbreslin on Mon, 08 April 2013, 10:29:54
As someone new to mechanical keyboards I have no idea yet what switch suits me but I didn't want to miss out on this gb. Definitely I prefer the poker layout, of all keyboards to stop making it kind of perplexes me that the poker was stopped.

Anyway as I have no idea yet what kind of switches I prefer I got a set with reds and a set with browns. I'm thinking I'll just offer up whichever I don't keep here for cost.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 10:34:49
As someone new to mechanical keyboards I have no idea yet what switch suits me but I didn't want to miss out on this gb. Definitely I prefer the poker layout, of all keyboards to stop making it kind of perplexes me that the poker was stopped.

Anyway as I have no idea yet what kind of switches I prefer I got a set with reds and a set with browns. I'm thinking I'll just offer up whichever I don't keep here for cost.

Yes, that's a good idea. You'll probably like BOTH reds and browns. I do. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ForestFunK on Mon, 08 April 2013, 10:48:16
Is it possible to get a costar stabilizer set with both 6.25x AND 7x spacebar wire? I'm not yet sure if I go with 1,25x or 1,5x modifiers.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 08 April 2013, 10:52:24
You would have to bend or get a custom bent 7x Costar wire. I'm not sure if those are being offered within this buy.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 08 April 2013, 10:55:03
I'm making all the wires for everyone that ordered cherry stabs in this GB, same like I did for all the Phantom order that Profosist was offering.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Winther on Mon, 08 April 2013, 11:26:19
just to make sure, do I have to specify that I want wires with my cherry pcb stabs? they dont come with the stabd automaticly..?

if not, then would anyone be so kind as to add them to my order? :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 11:28:40
just to make sure, do I have to specify that I want wires with my cherry pcb stabs? they dont come with the stabd automaticly..?

if not, then would anyone be so kind as to add them to my order? :)

You just have to specify the spacebar wire size, and it's already in your order. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 08 April 2013, 13:43:21
Just to double check, if you order Costar stabilizers, you get the stabilizing bar with them, correct?  I'm looking at the Poker layout and want to make sure I won't have to scrounge up a space bar stabilizer somewhere.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 13:45:59
Just to double check, if you order Costar stabilizers, you get the stabilizing bar with them, correct?  I'm looking at the Poker layout and want to make sure I won't have to scrounge up a space bar stabilizer somewhere.

Yes, I'm pretty sure every Costar stabilizer set will come with a 6.25x spacebar wire.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mbreslin on Mon, 08 April 2013, 14:15:45
Is it an easy process to remount a different set of stabs? If so I'll change my order (yet again, sorry!) to add 2 sets of costars so I can try both. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 08 April 2013, 14:18:12
Costar is easy

plate-mounted cherry requires you to desolder one switch

PCB-mounted cherry is super easy if there are no plate. If there is a plate, it's impossible without desoldering every switch and taking off the plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 08 April 2013, 14:36:38
ANSI 1.5 uses regular modifiers like you would find in a Filco, correct?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Mon, 08 April 2013, 14:39:50
PCB-mounted cherry is super easy if there are no plate. If there is a plate, it's impossible without desoldering every switch and taking off the plate.

Not impossible...I've done it...but it's quite a challenge and you need to be a bit brave.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 08 April 2013, 14:47:16
In the scope of this GB where many are newbs and don't even know the difference between each stabilizer, it's impossible in that sense. Save the frustration for many people  ^-^

It depends on which plate you have too. The Korean plates I think has a tad more room to work with for PCB-mounted, but these plates are a bit more tight. I haven't tried it yet, but I don't think there is enough room to pop up one of the legs from the PCB. I'm specifically talking about the smaller stabilizers towards the middle of the PCB, not the spacebar. And I'm not going to bother trying after doing this once already.
 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Aleksander on Mon, 08 April 2013, 14:57:32
eeeeeehhhrrmm... is there any way to check if I remembered to submit my order?
Yes, you did;)
1 GH60 and 1 ISO 1.25 plate, right?
Perfect! not much but I only have two hands to type with  :))
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: reddeth on Mon, 08 April 2013, 14:59:05
If you get a moment, would someone please confirm my order to be sure it's right? I'm paranoid  :))

Should be 2 soldered PCB's and 2 Poker plates, and I think that was it.

Also I apologize for not keeping up on the thread as a whole, but are we still looking at September time for a "if nothing goes wrong" delivery?

Thank you!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Mon, 08 April 2013, 15:01:37
Fair enough.  I had to desolder a few surrounding switches and be willing to flex the PCB/plate quite a bit to swing them out.  Not fun, but possible.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: sth on Mon, 08 April 2013, 15:24:52
WFD can you confirm my order as well? mainly the choice of plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 08 April 2013, 15:36:23
1x ANSI 1.5x plate
1x PCB
4x cherry stabs for mods
1x cherry stab for 6.25x space
1x cherry stab for 7x space

edit: I think Matt3o is trying to make is software available in time before the ordering for this GB is finished. The order changes are confirmations by google doc is just inefficient, it still needs manual changes from us. It's better if you guys can see your own order or modify them yourselves.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 15:55:52
If you get a moment, would someone please confirm my order to be sure it's right? I'm paranoid  :))

Should be 2 soldered PCB's and 2 Poker plates, and I think that was it.

Also I apologize for not keeping up on the thread as a whole, but are we still looking at September time for a "if nothing goes wrong" delivery?

Thank you!

Yes, that is what you ordered.

And, yes, as far as we know, that's as good an estimate as any. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: sth on Mon, 08 April 2013, 16:24:37
1x ANSI 1.5x plate
1x PCB
4x cherry stabs for mods
1x cherry stab for 6.25x space
1x cherry stab for 7x space

edit: I think Matt3o is trying to make is software available in time before the ordering for this GB is finished. The order changes are confirmations by google doc is just inefficient, it still needs manual changes from us. It's better if you guys can see your own order or modify them yourselves.
very helpful thanks. i submitted an order change to add one 'true' hhkb plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 08 April 2013, 16:38:48
Important update - please read
Update on the switches (very important!)
We were going to order the switches from 7bit @ deskthority for you. But the prices of switches are going up and he has to pay 100% for preorders. Buying preordered switches is cheaper, but we are not collecting payments yet and payment for the switches is due soon.
I'm worried that if we collect your money for the switches and pay together it might be too late and the groupbuy will be delayed.

That's why my proposition is that if you want to make sure you get your switches along with the GH60, remove your switch order from the order form (by submitting the "order changes" form) and go to http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html) and place your order according to the info there.
You can either have the switches shipped to you (independently from GH60) or we can arrange something with 7bit so that you get them together with GH60 and save shipping (that's the only option for those who checked "assembly" in the order form, of course).
I will post details about it soon.

If you can't pay for switches now or don't want to bother ordering directly from 7bit, you can leave your order as it it. We will then order the switches for you when the money is fully collected, but the prices might be a tad higher and the switches may come later.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 08 April 2013, 16:48:29
^ True story.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Binge on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:00:37
On that note would you please remove the switches and assembly service from my order.  Thanks for the update :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:00:44
ok fellas. this is a major update.

I have noticed that 7-bit has an account here on GH. But I imagine you suggest we contact him through DT due to the Group Buy being run off that site.

Looks like I gotta create a DT account and practice my European accent and keyboard ways. So European's like Cherry Switches, wine, and references to David Hasselhoff right? I think I can do this.

I will be changing my order after I find the switches or at least place my order. Conrad and Mouser have switches as well right?  Just wondering how long the delay with 7-Bit maybe... could be really long.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:03:38
ok fellas. this is a major update.

I have noticed that 7-bit has an account here on GH. But I imagine you suggest we contact him through DT due to the Group Buy being run off that site.

Looks like I gotta create a DT account and practice my European accent and keyboard ways. So European's like Cherry Switches, wine, and references to David Hasselhoff right? I think I can do this.

I will be changing my order after I find the switches or at least place my order. Conrad and Mouser have switches as well right?  Just wondering how long the delay with 7-Bit maybe... could be really long.

Some of us like starting World Wars, we also like madly following America into random wars across the globe!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:06:51
I've ordered switches from 7bit a few times without issue.  Shipping can take a little while, but he ships fairly quickly once he has stock.  However, I haven't ordered since the latest price hikes and the lead time seems to be worsening.  If you want to go this route, do it ASAP.  7bit will soon be buried in Round 4 key caps, so I would expect CherryMX responsiveness to slow even more.

7bit actively avoids GH and his ordering scripts are not hooked into GH's PM system anymore anyway.  You will need to contact him there and converse with his script via DT PMs.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:09:13
On that note would you please remove the switches and assembly service from my order.  Thanks for the update :)
Please use the "change order" form, just for the record. Thanks!
ok fellas. this is a major update.

I have noticed that 7-bit has an account here on GH. But I imagine you suggest we contact him through DT due to the Group Buy being run off that site.

Looks like I gotta create a DT account and practice my European accent and keyboard ways. So European's like Cherry Switches, wine, and references to David Hasselhoff right? I think I can do this.

I will be changing my order after I find the switches or at least place my order. Conrad and Mouser have switches as well right?  Just wondering how long the delay with 7-Bit maybe... could be really long.
Please don't pay for these orders yet, I will soon post info how to indicate that the switches should be sent to us, so that you don't pay shipping.
As for mouser and digikey, I'm not sure they have all types, but 7bit has for sure;)
The current estimation is September/October for these switches.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:16:43
If we want to order the switches now...should we pm him or use that order form?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:18:56
Follow the link to the DT thread and follow the instructions in the OP.  Ordering from 7bit is...different.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Binge on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:22:05
On that note would you please remove the switches and assembly service from my order.  Thanks for the update :)
Please use the "change order" form, just for the record. Thanks!
ok fellas. this is a major update.

I have noticed that 7-bit has an account here on GH. But I imagine you suggest we contact him through DT due to the Group Buy being run off that site.

Looks like I gotta create a DT account and practice my European accent and keyboard ways. So European's like Cherry Switches, wine, and references to David Hasselhoff right? I think I can do this.

I will be changing my order after I find the switches or at least place my order. Conrad and Mouser have switches as well right?  Just wondering how long the delay with 7-Bit maybe... could be really long.
Please don't pay for these orders yet, I will soon post info how to indicate that the switches should be sent to us, so that you don't pay shipping.
As for mouser and digikey, I'm not sure they have all types, but 7bit has for sure;)
The current estimation is September/October for these switches.

thanks! done~
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:22:42
I might just stick with ordering from here...if the only issue is time..then it's no big deal to me
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:24:32
I might just stick with ordering from here...if the only issue is time..then it's no big deal to me
Not only. The other issue is money.

BTW you can still order from 7bit and use the assembly service at the same time. I'm arranging with 7bit, and we'll have your 7bit orders shipped to us.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:28:50
I might just stick with ordering from here...if the only issue is time..then it's no big deal to me
Not only. The other issue is money.

BTW you can still order from 7bit and use the assembly service at the same time. I'm arranging with 7bit, and we'll have your 7bit orders shipped to us.

ohhhh ok cool
i guess we should mention in the order form that it is for the GH60 groupbuy? i am getting the assembly service, so i'd want them to be shipped to you guys.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Mon, 08 April 2013, 17:48:23
Could I bother one of you for my order contents?  I placed one a while back and added to it, but I didn't write it down. *doh* With the switch situation, I might want to revise things.

Thanks!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 18:18:20
Could I bother one of you for my order contents?  I placed one a while back and added to it, but I didn't write it down. *doh* With the switch situation, I might want to revise things.

Thanks!

Sent you a PM. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 08 April 2013, 18:24:25
So forgive me for starting ****, but 7bit doesn't support GH like at all(this is important for a keyboard that's "for the community, by the community) and is actively trying to build his own 60% board that he's claimed is better than the GH60, but we're still supporting him with buying switches through him?

I wish mouser did whites.

To answer the question above, mouser sells blacks/blues/clears in pcb and plate mount.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 08 April 2013, 18:40:29
Damn I need reds.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: sth on Mon, 08 April 2013, 18:47:26
So forgive me for starting ****, but 7bit doesn't support GH like at all(this is important for a keyboard that's "for the community, by the community) and is actively trying to build his own 60% board that he's claimed is better than the GH60, but we're still supporting him with buying switches through him?

I wish mouser did whites.

To answer the question above, mouser sells blacks/blues/clears in pcb and plate mount.

he is trolling you, do you think he actually cares about the gh60 that much? he's not a bad dude he just has a weird sense of humor, dont take it so personally
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:32:29
Wish we had someone within GH who sold all switches...maybe one day
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:34:56
I would not expect to see a whole lot come out of the Hyper project for at least a year or more.  In the meantime, GH60 will come and go.  There is also GH60++/70, which will probably start moving once Retro DSA is done.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:35:35
i would probably get a numpad :D
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:36:53
I would not expect to see a whole lot come out of the Hyper project for at least a year or more.  In the meantime, GH60 will come and go.  There is also GH60++/70, which will probably start moving once Retro DSA is done.

What's GH60++? D:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:37:30
So forgive me for starting ****, but 7bit doesn't support GH like at all(this is important for a keyboard that's "for the community, by the community) and is actively trying to build his own 60% board that he's claimed is better than the GH60, but we're still supporting him with buying switches through him?

I wish mouser did whites.

To answer the question above, mouser sells blacks/blues/clears in pcb and plate mount.

RS (http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/664581/?cm_mmc=aff-_-uk-_-octopart-_-664581), Conrad (http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/706351/Cherry-Switches-12-VDC-button-module-MX1A-A1NN-Without-locating-pin-NA-001-A) (Conrad UK (http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/product/706351/Cherry-Switches-12-VDC-button-module-MX1A-A1NN-Without-locating-pin-NA-001-A)), and Rapid (http://www.rapidonline.com/electronic-components/cherry-12-v-dc-button-module-mx1a-a1nn-50-2495) sell them, the problem is getting them shipped at a decent price.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:40:58
Pexon just had some MX Dark Greys. I wonder if his source can supply switches for this GB? Pexon, are you listening?

I'll ping him later unless someone else wants to first. :)
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:44:07
What's GH60++? D:

It's a GH60 you program with C++

jk :P
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:45:37
It's a GH60 you program with C++

jk :P

You had me for a second! That would horrible :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:46:34
It's a GH60 you program with C++

jk :P

You had me for a second! That would horrible :(

It's basically the Gh60 but a 75% format. I still don't know why they just don't call it the Gh75...... ???
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:48:15
It's basically the Gh60 but a 75% format. I still don't know why they just don't call it the Gh75...... ???

Thanks! Not interested in one if those :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:51:35
Pexon just had some MX Dark Greys. I wonder if his source can supply switches for this GB? Pexon, are you listening?

I'll ping him later unless someone else wants to first. :)

I tried asking, both in the IC and GB thread.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rknize on Mon, 08 April 2013, 20:02:02
It's a GH60 you program with C++

jk :P

You had me for a second! That would horrible :(

It's basically the Gh60 but a 75% format. I still don't know why they just don't call it the Gh75...... ???

Well if you look at the OP, there were several variations on the theme with the possibility of break away parts of the PCB.  If you break all of them off you end up at 60%.  If you leave them on it's 75%.

Anyway...it is very early on still for that one.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 08 April 2013, 20:06:31
I drank the KoolAid and ordered my goodies finally! :D

Eager/impatient face engaged
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 08 April 2013, 21:19:15
It's a GH60 you program with C++

jk :P

You had me for a second! That would horrible :(

It's basically the Gh60 but a 75% format. I still don't know why they just don't call it the Gh75...... ???

"They" DO call the 75% version the GH75!

The GH60++ covers the GH65 (GH60 + arrows and an extra column), the GH75 (GH65 + function keys and a few more), and technically, the unloved GH70 variation that adds a function key row to the GH60.

GH60++ thread:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38847.msg754842#msg754842

Current state of assembly:
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31861.0;attach=16083;image)
Latest prototype GH75 by samwisekoi. 
Keycaps by Lysol, mkawa & i3oilermaker.  Custom free-standing plate/case by The_Beast & Advanced Welding, Inc.


 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 08 April 2013, 22:23:30
So forgive me for starting ****, but 7bit doesn't support GH like at all(this is important for a keyboard that's "for the community, by the community) and is actively trying to build his own 60% board that he's claimed is better than the GH60, but we're still supporting him with buying switches through him?

I wish mouser did whites.

To answer the question above, mouser sells blacks/blues/clears in pcb and plate mount.

he is trolling you, do you think he actually cares about the gh60 that much? he's not a bad dude he just has a weird sense of humor, dont take it so personally

Eh, fair enough.  I have issues with deciphering foreign country humor anyways.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:31:50
Anyway I can get an order confirmation?  Gonna have to remove the switches I assume.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:39:26
Anyway I can get an order confirmation?  Gonna have to remove the switches I assume.

Sent you a PM with your order.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: hankz on Tue, 09 April 2013, 02:09:05
what kind you will chose to ship GH60 to everyone, EMS, UPS?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 09 April 2013, 09:54:54
Samwise that looks fantastic!  Can't wait for raindrop...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Tue, 09 April 2013, 09:58:47
Hope one day you release the GH104 :D Even if its just for me :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Chase5delta on Tue, 09 April 2013, 10:02:35
Any of you guys happen to have a plastic poker case lying around that you would be willing to sell? I'm having no luck in classifieds :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 09 April 2013, 10:16:45
I have a white spray painted one if you're interested
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:02:55
Just caught wind of the thing with the switches and 7bit.

Let me make sure I got this straight. I can either go to DT and preorder from 7bit, indicating that I want my stuff shipped to the GH60 group buy staff, for around 40€ ($52) for 65 switches. In this case I'm basically paying 7bit instead of you guys for the switches, and nothing else changes.

OR

Do nothing, sit on my buttocks, and you guys order the keys from 7bit after payment is collected next month, which could incur in severe shipping delays of the assembled board, perhaps several months.

Correct?

I'm not 100% sure I can find enough money before the order deadline to pay for switches. Getting into this GB required extensive budget fiddling with the goal of having enough money around the 10th of next month. Unfortunately, it ended up meaning I have little to no spare cash at all before that. I won't bore you with my financial details.

Worst case, I'll have to wait however long it takes for you guys to order and receive the switches after next month's payment is down. Best case, we (the GH60 staff and me) could somehow reach an agreement involving me ordering the switches from 7bit between now and at some point next month, depending on my cash flow, and have them delivered to you.

What would you prefer I do? I'd also like to take as much work off your hands as I can. Organizing this must be administrative hell.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:05:48
Hold off on the switches for a bit, everyone. We may have a new supplier in the works.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:07:39
From the UK ? :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:08:28
Was going to place my order today...deciding between whites and greens...guess ill just wait more i guess

let us know when we have a definite supplier of switches! 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:09:40
From the UK ? :D

From Taiwan :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: disperse on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:37:02
OK, my mouse pointer is hovering over the "Submit" button on the order form.  Just want to make sure I'm making the right decisions here.

I have the DSA Retro key caps ordered and am thinking about configuring a Poker layout like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)

With the GH60 software will it be possible to configure the "HYPER" key to act as an Escape key when pressed and a Fn key when held?  (I was inspired by http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/)

I have heard good things about the plate mounted costar stabilizers but am concerned about this:  "You might need to do a little bit of sanding or grinding, as the plate is 0.0625" thick, and Costar spec is for 0.060"  I have a random orbital sander but will stainless steel really sand with some 80 grit sandpaper?

Am I going to save myself a lot of hassle by getting the Cherry Plate mounted stabilizers?

I'm looking at:

1 x GH60 PCB
1 x Poker Plate
63 x Plate-mounted Brown Cherry X Switches (a few spares)
6.25 spacebar wire
1 x Costar plate-mount stabilizers set OR 1 x Cherry plate-mount stabilizers set

Does this seem reasonable?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:40:50
OK, my mouse pointer is hovering over the "Submit" button on the order form.  Just want to make sure I'm making the right decisions here.

I have the DSA Retro key caps ordered and am thinking about configuring a Poker layout like this:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)


With the GH60 software will it be possible to configure the "HYPER" key to act as an Escape key when pressed and a Fn key when held?  (I was inspired by http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/)

I have heard good things about the plate mounted costar stabilizers but am concerned about this:  "You might need to do a little bit of sanding or grinding, as the plate is 0.0625" thick, and Costar spec is for 0.060"  I have a random orbital sander but will stainless steel really sand with some 80 grit sandpaper?

Am I going to save myself a lot of hassle by getting the Cherry Plate mounted stabilizers?

I'm looking at:

1 x GH60 PCB
1 x Poker Plate
63 x Plate-mounted Brown Cherry X Switches (a few spares)
6.25 spacebar wire
1 x Costar plate-mount stabilizers set OR 1 x Cherry plate-mount stabilizers set

Does this seem reasonable?


Yes, that order looks good. You can order it assembled or you can install and solder the switches yourself.

I have made the Costar stabilizers work on these plates before without sanding or grinding, you just have to push the legs into place with something. With a bit of filing with a flat needle file, I hear they work great.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Luke on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:47:05
It's a GH60 you program with C++

jk :P

You had me for a second! That would horrible :(

It's basically the Gh60 but a 75% format. I still don't know why they just don't call it the Gh75...... ???

"They" DO call the 75% version the GH75!

The GH60++ covers the GH65 (GH60 + arrows and an extra column), the GH75 (GH65 + function keys and a few more), and technically, the unloved GH70 variation that adds a function key row to the GH60.

GH60++ thread:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38847.msg754842#msg754842

Current state of assembly:
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31861.0;attach=16083;image)

Latest prototype GH75 by samwisekoi. 
Keycaps by Lysol, mkawa & i3oilermaker.  Custom free-standing plate/case by The_Beast & Advanced Welding, Inc.


 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


Damn, just bought a MX-Mini :P

But to be fair it was for a very reasonable price so I can't complain :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: disperse on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:52:00
OK, my mouse pointer is hovering over the "Submit" button on the order form.  Just want to make sure I'm making the right decisions here.

I have the DSA Retro key caps ordered and am thinking about configuring a Poker layout like this:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)


With the GH60 software will it be possible to configure the "HYPER" key to act as an Escape key when pressed and a Fn key when held?  (I was inspired by http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/)

I have heard good things about the plate mounted costar stabilizers but am concerned about this:  "You might need to do a little bit of sanding or grinding, as the plate is 0.0625" thick, and Costar spec is for 0.060"  I have a random orbital sander but will stainless steel really sand with some 80 grit sandpaper?

Am I going to save myself a lot of hassle by getting the Cherry Plate mounted stabilizers?

I'm looking at:

1 x GH60 PCB
1 x Poker Plate
63 x Plate-mounted Brown Cherry X Switches (a few spares)
6.25 spacebar wire
1 x Costar plate-mount stabilizers set OR 1 x Cherry plate-mount stabilizers set

Does this seem reasonable?


Yes, that order looks good. You can order it assembled or you can install and solder the switches yourself.

I have made the Costar stabilizers work on these plates before without sanding or grinding, you just have to push the legs into place with something. With a bit of filing with a flat needle file, I hear they work great.

Thanks!  I placed the order.  I'm pretty handy at soldering and want to get the practice in case I need to replace a broken switch so I ordered it unassembled (not a DIY kit, I'm not a masochist).

I'll probably be pulling out my router and making a wooden case when everything arrives.  If anyone has detailed measurements, it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Tue, 09 April 2013, 11:58:40
Wooden case/tray sounds awesome. I think Beast was working on something like that too?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mbreslin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 12:50:34
Hold off on the switches for a bit, everyone. We may have a new supplier in the works.

Now you tell me! He has the GH60 tag in the OP so it seemed everything was arranged. Already ordered and paid.

 :confused:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 09 April 2013, 13:01:42
Hold off on the switches for a bit, everyone. We may have a new supplier in the works.

Are you saying that our orders through theProf aren't going to come in?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 13:02:48
komar worked with 7bit to get that GH60 tag setup. Thanks, komar!

If you already ordered switches through 7bit, or want to continue ordering through his system on Deskthority, please feel free to do so. 7bit is a reliable source for these switches, and is offering them at great prices for pre-orders.

If you already have, or want to continue to order switches through this GB, it looks like we may have found another supplier who can help us. We are still in the process of working out all the details, so stay tuned for more information.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:37:14
Would you recommend we hold off on buying switches for a little bit?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Broadmonkey on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:38:41
Why do we need a new supplier instead of 7bit?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:43:05
Because this.

Important update - please read
Update on the switches (very important!)
We were going to order the switches from 7bit @ deskthority for you. But the prices of switches are going up and he has to pay 100% for preorders. Buying preordered switches is cheaper, but we are not collecting payments yet and payment for the switches is due soon.
I'm worried that if we collect your money for the switches and pay together it might be too late and the groupbuy will be delayed.

That's why my proposition is that if you want to make sure you get your switches along with the GH60, remove your switch order from the order form (by submitting the "order changes" form) and go to http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html) and place your order according to the info there.
You can either have the switches shipped to you (independently from GH60) or we can arrange something with 7bit so that you get them together with GH60 and save shipping (that's the only option for those who checked "assembly" in the order form, of course).
I will post details about it soon.

If you can't pay for switches now or don't want to bother ordering directly from 7bit, you can leave your order as it it. We will then order the switches for you when the money is fully collected, but the prices might be a tad higher and the switches may come later.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Lastpilot on Tue, 09 April 2013, 15:47:55
Made this to help give your first post some bling!

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: sth on Tue, 09 April 2013, 16:46:21
no bevel :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 09 April 2013, 17:01:30
What do you think the per unit price for Whites will be?  I'm still on the fence between spending too much and buying some Whites and tossing the springs from my Clears into some Reds I have (since there's no name for that yet that I've seen, I am naming them Ghost Reds).  If it's not too expensive, I'll probably get some.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 09 April 2013, 19:46:57
Just to confirm: the GH60 (max keys) layout can be achieved with the universal plate, correct?

Is there any advantage to the GH60 plate?  I feel like if a plate can use every key position (the universal plate) it should be basically the same as the plate that uses maximum keys (the GH60 plate).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 09 April 2013, 19:52:32
Is Last Pilot's design going to be a sticker option? i would get one maybe to go along with the main design
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Tue, 09 April 2013, 19:52:40
Just to confirm: the GH60 (max keys) layout can be achieved with the universal plate, correct?

Is there any advantage to the GH60 plate?  I feel like if a plate can use every key position (the universal plate) it should be basically the same as the plate that uses maximum keys (the GH60 plate).

The specialized plates have cutouts specific to the layout where as the universal plate has spots that are widened to fit multiple configurations and the switch will not be as secure. These insecure positions are recommended to have pcb mount switches.

It is something to be aware of although the plate mount switches should electrically connect.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 19:58:30
Is Last Pilot's design going to be a sticker option? i would get one maybe to go along with the main design

Lastpilot's design will be THE official sticker design, and will be offered separately from this GB.

I should suggest to komar that he use that design on the final PCB revision, huh?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 09 April 2013, 20:00:06
Is Last Pilot's design going to be a sticker option? i would get one maybe to go along with the main design

Lastpilot's design will be THE official sticker design, and will be offered separately from this GB.

I should suggest to komar that he use that design on the final PCB revision, huh?

Looks good to me. i guess i meant to say Color, and not Design, since that design was posted in another thread (i think right?)

regardless looks cool. final gonna be all pink? :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 09 April 2013, 22:10:26
A brushed aluminum looking sticker would be cool... though perhaps too detailed on the keyboard.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 09 April 2013, 22:15:27
But if I'm not typing on mine by this Fall...  :-*

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 09 April 2013, 22:24:56
aggiejy, that first one looks really nice. Clean, yet not boring. I'm not digging the rust or the ice though. That ice looks a bit fake lol.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 09 April 2013, 22:28:55
So, any guesstimate on switch prices?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 09 April 2013, 22:35:37
From the GH60 Metallic Sticker thread...i like both those colors..i also like Aggiejy's...and the pink one

One of everything for me!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 09 April 2013, 22:36:24
aggiejy, that first one looks really nice. Clean, yet not boring. I'm not digging the rust or the ice though. That ice looks a bit fake lol.

Haha, the rust and ice was a gaudy attempt as a lame joke... ie, SEND ME MY PCB before hell freezes over! ;-)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 09 April 2013, 22:37:37
What do you think the per unit price for Whites will be?  I'm still on the fence between spending too much and buying some Whites and tossing the springs from my Clears into some Reds I have (since there's no name for that yet that I've seen, I am naming them Ghost Reds).  If it's not too expensive, I'll probably get some.
So, any guesstimate on switch prices?

We're still working on it. You're welcome to order directly from 7bit on DT, but we're no longer integrating preorders with this GB. What I have NOT posted yet was that he increased in preorder prices (compared to what I previously mentioned in the OP), and they will be even higher once preorders are over. Also MOQ for each switch was increased to 4000. This is straight from 7bit.

We're working on another source right now, and if it works out, it should be either same or cheaper than the lowest price I have linked in the OP right now (60cents per switch). We still need to account for added fees and shipping though.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rurushu on Tue, 09 April 2013, 23:13:54
Is Last Pilot's design going to be a sticker option? i would get one maybe to go along with the main design

Lastpilot's design will be THE official sticker design, and will be offered separately from this GB.

I should suggest to komar that he use that design on the final PCB revision, huh?
this would be awesome!!!! was going to suggest that! nice one jdcarpe!

A brushed aluminum looking sticker would be cool... though perhaps too detailed on the keyboard.

(Attachment Link)
this looks good! i think if it is a plate, it would be perfect! like the one jdcarpe make to put on his alu case!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 10 April 2013, 06:30:05
We're still working on it. You're welcome to order directly from 7bit on DT, but we're no longer integrating preorders with this GB. What I have NOT posted yet was that he increased in preorder prices (compared to what I previously mentioned in the OP), and they will be even higher once preorders are over. Also MOQ for each switch was increased to 4000. This is straight from 7bit.

We're working on another source right now, and if it works out, it should be either same or cheaper than the lowest price I have linked in the OP right now (60cents per switch). We still need to account for added fees and shipping though.
Shipping from me to the distributors is free and I doubt there will be another source except you find old stock.

Preorder prices:
They where and are 0.54 EUR per switch. Within this group buy, I will not raise these prices, unless Cherry raises their price even more.

The 0.27 EUR per switch where 50% pre-payments which don't work out when I've got to order 4000 of a type instead of just 1000. So, I'm asking now for 100% payment.

I still wait for an answer if the MOQ can be a bit lower. Higher price and a higher MOQ is really a bit too much. With the amount of money that went in I can only order 3 different types of switches (12000 in total).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 10 April 2013, 23:02:31
Can I request a PM to confirm my order is what I'd like it to be?  I've made a few modifications to my order since I placed it, so I just want to make sure everything is what it should be.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 11 April 2013, 07:01:00
Just placed an order for PCB mount stabilizers :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:19:32
Can I request a PM to confirm my order is what I'd like it to be?  I've made a few modifications to my order since I placed it, so I just want to make sure everything is what it should be.

Sent you a PM. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:23:55
If it becomes reality, it looks like alixinhzai (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16908) has brought my Acrylic case to life, and quite nicely, too.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/20923_355899284531027_953751514_o.jpg)

So unless that case (thread here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40468.msg802930#msg802930)) doesn't happen, I'm asking my supporters to switch to alixinhzai.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:26:04
If it becomes reality, it looks like alixinhzai (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16908) has brought my Acrylic case to life, and quite nicely, too.

Show Image
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/20923_355899284531027_953751514_o.jpg)


So unless that case (thread here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40468.msg802930#msg802930)) doesn't happen, I'm asking my supporters to switch to alixinhzai.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


yep. i am switching to him. just asking him for w/r/w case like LZ. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 11 April 2013, 11:20:01
yep. i am switching to him. just asking him for w/r/w case like LZ. :D

Probably faster shipping to you, too.  Please post a review once you get yours!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Thu, 11 April 2013, 11:24:25
yes, sir. I'll try to do the review.  :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Wraul on Thu, 11 April 2013, 12:32:17
Could someone please pm me my order.
I would like to check if I need to do any last minute changes.

Also I like to clarify that I'm fully aware that the stabilizers come in complete sets.
And yes I have order quite a lot of them. I might even add a couple more.
Better safe than sorry. You never know when you might need a stabilizer.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 11 April 2013, 12:49:04
So has it been figured out about how this GB might proceed with the 10x spacebar layout plates?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Thu, 11 April 2013, 16:43:53
Just to confirm, I've posted a request to change my order to:

0 x Switches
2 x GH60 PCBs
1 x ISO 1.5x (Pure Shift) Plate
1 x Cherry Plate Stabs
1 x Cherry PCB Stabs

I've already got another source for switches, so except a USB cable, case and keycaps, that's all I need?
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 12 April 2013, 07:58:27
Just to confirm,
I've already got another source for switches, so except a USB cable, case and keycaps, that's all I need?
You are correct. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 12 April 2013, 08:22:15
Could someone please pm me my order.
I would like to check if I need to do any last minute changes.

Also I like to clarify that I'm fully aware that the stabilizers come in complete sets.
And yes I have order quite a lot of them. I might even add a couple more.
Better safe than sorry. You never know when you might need a stabilizer.

Sent you a PM. :)


Just to confirm, I've posted a request to change my order to:

0 x Switches
2 x GH60 PCBs
1 x ISO 1.5x (Pure Shift) Plate
1 x Cherry Plate Stabs
1 x Cherry PCB Stabs

I've already got another source for switches, so except a USB cable, case and keycaps, that's all I need?

Yes, that's what I have for your order.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 12 April 2013, 08:50:06
So has it been figured out about how this GB might proceed with the 10x spacebar layout plates?

Retro DSA recently caused me to spend some time looking at the specs for spacebars of many lengths, and I think we could create a GH60 plate that would support various long bars.  Specifically 8x, 9x, 9.75x, and 10x, which share some/all mounting dimensions.

(Yes, those people who think their 10x is only 9.75x long -- it IS only 9.75x long.  Those are from WYSE terminal boards.  They will fit on the same mounts, but there will be visible gaps on the bottom row.)

Anyhow, jdcarpe was going to/has sent me the DWG for the long spacebar plate.  I'll take that and check it against the list of spacebars above and possibly make adjustments so as many as possible will fit on the GH60.

Then, because it would look extra-awesome, we'll include long spacebars in the Retro Green/Blue GB so that people can make GH60 versions of the Nuclear Data boards.

FWIW,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: bugsaint on Fri, 12 April 2013, 08:53:35
Order submitted for:

1x PCB
1x Poker plate
1x Plate mounted cherry stabilizers (6.25 wire)
1x Asssembly service.

As I'm in the UK, I'll get the switches from 7bit (used him before and happy to use him again) and tag the order with GH60 so they get shipped to Komar... I assume.

Now to source an (any non plastic) case.  Ideas?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tarzan on Fri, 12 April 2013, 08:56:03
So has it been figured out about how this GB might proceed with the 10x spacebar layout plates?

Then, because it would look extra-awesome, we'll include long spacebars in the Retro Green/Blue GB so that people can make GH60 versions of the Nuclear Data boards.


^This!  Yes, Please!    :cool:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 12 April 2013, 12:29:17
Just submitted an order for two complete ISO sets.

My poor wallet...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 12:31:00
Going to submit my order soon for 1 WKL Setup and 1 Regular Poker setup

i have put so much thought and time into this order...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 12 April 2013, 12:39:18
So has it been figured out about how this GB might proceed with the 10x spacebar layout plates?
10x spacebar layout plates?
10x spacebar layout plates
10x spacebar layout
10x spacebar
10x

/sploosh

If there is going to be a plate that supports 10x spacebar I mush have it.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 12 April 2013, 13:20:10
I think we should add this plate (I can add ISO version as well), which supports bottom row layouts of:

1.50-1.00-10.00-1.00-1.50

1.25-1.25-10.00-1.25-1.25

1.50-1.00-1.50-7.00-1.50-1.00-1.50


(http://i.imgur.com/HppIxBO.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 12 April 2013, 13:35:03
I understand if this is a no, but would it be possible to just change the bottom row of the following plates to that bottom row: ANSI 1.5, ANSI 1.5 Pure, ISO 1.5, ISO 1.5 Pure?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 12 April 2013, 13:37:00
I would think it could replace any of the 1.5x plates, including "True HHKB" etc.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 12 April 2013, 13:38:41
Too many plates! AHH!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Index on Fri, 12 April 2013, 13:40:53
Can someone pm my order? Need to make sure I ordered the correct items. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 12 April 2013, 13:46:23
I would think it could replace any of the 1.5x plates, including "True HHKB" etc.
Mhm, mhm. I like where this is going.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: whiskytango on Fri, 12 April 2013, 14:01:47
I would think it could replace any of the 1.5x plates, including "True HHKB" etc.

Excellent idea! I believe WFD was talking about this possibility earlier in the thread. I would love to see this, it would make my decision on what to order somewhat easier. I have been holding off so far so I don't end up asking for a million order changes...

jd, if/when this decision is made, can you post it? I will go ahead and make a final order decision at that time. Thanks
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 14:08:37
So the 1.5x plate is being removed and a 10x spacebar plate is replacing it? :/
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 12 April 2013, 14:08:44
I think 1.25 1.25 10 1.25 1.25 with 1.75x shift and 1x to the right of shift would be ideal for me. Although 1.5 1x 10 1 1.5 is also  enticing, but harder to have a 1x alt key. As long as I can use one of my  10x spacebars I have sitting around I'll be quite happy. I'll hold off on order changing until the plate options supporting 10x spacebar are solidified.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 12 April 2013, 14:09:07
I think we should add this plate (I can add ISO version as well), which supports bottom row layouts of:

1.50-1.00-10.00-1.00-1.50

1.25-1.25-10.00-1.25-1.25

1.50-1.00-1.50-7.00-1.50-1.00-1.50


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/HppIxBO.png)


Thank jdcarpe for the DWG file.

Comparing that with documents from DT and SP,  I can confirm that this plate will work for 7x Cherry and 10x Cherry.  Also you could fit a 9.75 Wyse with small gaps, and an 8x spacebar, although I don't know if there is a mod combo on the PCB that adds up to 3.5 on each side (e.g. 1.5-1-1 or 1.25-1-1.25.)

SP has molds for 8x and 9x, and I have requested mounting specs for those to see if they will fit as well.

I agree that this plate ought to be made, and also that perhaps it should have "universal" mounts for the mods.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 12 April 2013, 14:37:50
I already have all the plate designs worked out after this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg845617#msg845617) post, so here's what is happening:

All plates with 1.5x modifier spacing will have additional cutouts for a 10x (also 8x and 9x) spacebar. Meaning it's compatible with both 7x - 10x spacebars. There is also a "universal" plate that supports every layout except ones with inner 1.25x modifiers. It's basically the same exact one as this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg844848#msg844848) post but with cuttouts for 7x spacebar, which is almost identical to the one jdcarpe just posted. This will probably be special made one since I don't imagine will get high quantity orders. I tried to integrate this with the current universal plate, but the overlaps make this impossible.

The replica HHKB layout with 6x offset spacebar can just use the current univeral plate design, it's perfectly compatible.

I'll post a pic this new plate and updated plates when I get home. I already sent the universal plate design for prototype.
 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: noxwood on Fri, 12 April 2013, 20:02:53
If I want just a split backspace on US-ANSI, will HHKB work or will I have to go for ANSI-UNI?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 21:29:13
Quick question...while i make final edits..

Fug Costars

Which Cherrys Should i go for?

is there a huge difference between PCB mounted and Plate Mounted? My Pure and Poker both have PCB...but would Plate mounted be better?

looking for opinions yall
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 12 April 2013, 21:43:54
If you have a plate, might as well take advantage of using plate-mounted stabilizers. Also, you can swap them out much easier. If you use PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers, it's impossible to remove without desoldering all your switches and taking off the plate. If you don't use a plate, then well, you don't really have a choice. And also the universal plate doesn't give you a choice either, you need to use PCB-mounted cherries.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: L4yercake on Fri, 12 April 2013, 21:44:08
I believe plate-mounted to be superior then the PCB mounted. Mainly because it feels more stable and I've had errors with PCB mount and nothing has ever come with the plate-mounted.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:07:13
If you have a plate, might as well take advantage of using plate-mounted stabilizers. Also, you can swap them out much easier. If you use PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers, it's impossible to remove without desoldering all your switches and taking off the plate. If you don't use a plate, then well, you don't really have a choice. And also the universal plate doesn't give you a choice either, you need to use PCB-mounted cherries.

will have a plate for my WinKeyless GH60

and if i can afford a second, will have a plate for my 'poker' style GH60

so i should go with plate mounted?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:35:47
If anyone wants some 10x space bars... I've got lots of them.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fl0w3n on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:45:57
Is PCB Mount Cherry Stabilizers really that big of a "drawback" on the universal plates, or is the "drawback" part the lack of options?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:49:26
one last thing...what's the difference between the Universal ANSI plate and the Poker Plate?

if i want a standard poker layout...i should get a poker plate correct

(herp derp question)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:51:45
one last thing...what's the difference between the Universal ANSI plate and the Poker Plate?

if i want a standard poker layout...i should get a poker plate correct

(herp derp question)

As far as I understand, the universal will allow the poker layout PLUS other options should you so desire.  But if you know that you want a poker layout and are never going to change that, you might as well get the poker plate.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 12 April 2013, 23:48:06
How do i know if i did my order right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rurushu on Fri, 12 April 2013, 23:55:45
How do i know if i did my order right?
can PM the organizers...  :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: naokira on Sat, 13 April 2013, 04:36:32
does the gh60 come with a dipswitch? because i'm thinking of getting one but im going to use it on a mac.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Sat, 13 April 2013, 06:56:43
Not like the ones in Poker, but I don't think mac support will be a problem.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 13 April 2013, 19:30:25
How do i know if i did my order right?
can PM the organizers...  :D

Which one?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: rurushu on Sun, 14 April 2013, 03:47:58
WhiteFireDragon, jdcarpe, komar007....
basically those who run this GB....
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: guilleguillaume on Sun, 14 April 2013, 05:15:59
I have yet to decide how much PCB units I want. I still have some days left...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: JBert on Sun, 14 April 2013, 14:21:43
Can an ANSI Poker be converted to ISO without having to buy new Cherry stabilizers?
I think the Return key might still work when the stabilizer is mounted 90º, but what about the shift keys?

Also, what if you want to add to your order, is that an "order change" or a new order under the same forum name?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Sun, 14 April 2013, 14:27:04
Can an ANSI Poker be converted to ISO without having to buy new Cherry stabilizers?
I think the Return key might still work when the stabilizer is mounted 90º, but what about the shift keys?

Also, what if you want to add to your order, is that an "order change" or a new order under the same forum name?
Left shift doesn't have any stabilizers in ISO layout and right shift is the same I think.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 14:48:44
Also, what if you want to add to your order, is that an "order change" or a new order under the same forum name?

Yes, please submit an order change. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Sun, 14 April 2013, 15:34:41
How's the thing with the switches going? Is the goddess of cherry mx providing smiling upon us?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 15:40:54
How's the thing with the switches going? Is the goddess of cherry mx providing smiling upon us?

Looking really good, unless you want MX Clear or MX White. Still need to order from 7bit for those.

We should be able to provide MX Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Grey for $0.60/ea.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: vorn on Sun, 14 April 2013, 15:49:39
Nice!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Sun, 14 April 2013, 15:50:27
How's the thing with the switches going? Is the goddess of cherry mx providing smiling upon us?

Looking really good, unless you want MX Clear or MX White. Still need to order from 7bit for those.

We should be able to provide MX Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Grey for $0.60/ea.

Awesome! MX Blue will be fine, thanks. I got 65 of them in the order, I believe.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Sun, 14 April 2013, 15:54:32
Nice! 11 or so cents cheaper than 7bits. I'll change my order for some greens
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Sun, 14 April 2013, 15:56:45
How's the thing with the switches going? Is the goddess of cherry mx providing smiling upon us?

Looking really good, unless you want MX Clear or MX White. Still need to order from 7bit for those.

We should be able to provide MX Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Grey for $0.60/ea.
So should we re-add switches to our orders?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 15:58:38
Yes, please go ahead at this time with any switch orders. :D

We need the volume to get those prices. ;)
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:00:30
Please add 60 MX Green to my order. Thanks.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:05:16
By the way, does anyone have a spare poker sized case lying around? I'm not confident I'll be able to afford one of those fancy aluminum cases by the time they hit GB phase  :p
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:05:34
Please add 60 MX Green to my order. Thanks.

Done. Everyone please use the order change form if you want to add switches back to your order. ORDER CHANGES (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:10:12
Well ****.

That's cheaper than what I'm getting. Might have to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:28:45
Looking really good, unless you want MX Clear or MX White. Still need to order from 7bit for those.

We should be able to provide MX Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Grey for $0.60/ea.

Tactile gray, linear dark gray, or both??
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:30:36
Tactile gray, linear dark gray, or both??

Grey is Grey, and never Dark Grey. Tactile only. :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:31:01
How's the thing with the switches going? Is the goddess of cherry mx providing smiling upon us?

Looking really good, unless you want MX Clear or MX White. Still need to order from 7bit for those.

We should be able to provide MX Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Grey for $0.60/ea.

X( I want MX whites

Should I order from 7bit? And send them to you? Tell him to send to you? What do? Fug I hate when the plans change :( 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: disperse on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:31:16
Please add 60 MX Green to my order. Thanks.

Done. Everyone please use the order change form if you want to add switches back to your order. ORDER CHANGES (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Q7zSzyaoNe9NORlLav84CtTVoMF22OZJyuW9Zr-c5Is/viewform)

If we already had switches listed we don't need to change anything, right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:34:37
If you already had switches in your order, we will fill them.

If you have MX White or MX Clear in your order, we will fill those by ordering from 7bit. Or you can choose to order them from 7bit yourself, and have them sent to us, using the tag "GH60." See his thread on Deskthority here (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html).
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:35:08
Tactile gray, linear dark gray, or both??

Grey is Grey, and never Dark Grey. Tactile only. :D

True, but I've seen people using it wrong before (not you). I wanted to clarify so people knew they could do ergo clears by using mx gray instead.

Thank You :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:36:50
Tactile gray, linear dark gray, or both??

Grey is Grey, and never Dark Grey. Tactile only. :D

True, but I've seen people using it wrong before (not you). I wanted to clarify so people knew they could do ergo clears by using mx gray instead.

Good point, and thanks for bringing that up. The MX Grey stem is identical to the MX Clear stem, so if you were planning on making Ergo Clears using MX Clear stems with light springs, you can do the same using MX Greys.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:38:12
If you already had switches in your order, we will fill them.

If you have MX White or MX Clear in your order, we will fill those by ordering from 7bit. Or you can choose to order them from 7bit yourself, and have them sent to us, using the tag "GH60." See his thread on Deskthority here (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html).

So I can still put MX whites on my order? Only difference will be a bit more expensive and take longer?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:40:02
So I can still put MX whites on my order? Only difference will be a bit more expensive and take longer?

Correct.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:44:54
So I can still put MX whites on my order? Only difference will be a bit more expensive and take longer?

Correct.

Ok cool .. Would ordering myself from 7bot make a difference time wise?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:47:56
So I can still put MX whites on my order? Only difference will be a bit more expensive and take longer?

Correct.

Ok cool .. Would ordering myself from 7bot make a difference time wise?

It will make a difference if you are able to order in his "pre-order" batch, instead of waiting until the end of the GH60 GB. If you don't get your order in the pre-order batch, you might be waiting some months after the GH60s arrive for your switches to arrive.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:55:43
So I can still put MX whites on my order? Only difference will be a bit more expensive and take longer?

Correct.

Ok cool .. Would ordering myself from 7bot make a difference time wise?

It will make a difference if you are able to order in his "pre-order" batch, instead of waiting until the end of the GH60 GB. If you don't get your order in the pre-order batch, you might be waiting some months after the GH60s arrive for your switches to arrive.

:0 looks like I'm going for the pre-order batch. When I get em, can I send em to you to hold onto for the gh60? 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:56:59
So I can still put MX whites on my order? Only difference will be a bit more expensive and take longer?

Correct.

Ok cool .. Would ordering myself from 7bot make a difference time wise?

It will make a difference if you are able to order in his "pre-order" batch, instead of waiting until the end of the GH60 GB. If you don't get your order in the pre-order batch, you might be waiting some months after the GH60s arrive for your switches to arrive.

:0 looks like I'm going for the pre-order batch. When I get em, can I send em to you to hold onto for the gh60? 

Instead of your address, put "GH60" in the order PM to his script.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 14 April 2013, 17:00:50
:) ok

Gotta talk to you tonigh about some other things too, I'm jug at work right now and in my phone :/
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: thoere on Sun, 14 April 2013, 17:06:13
How much do MX Clears cost for each switch in this GB? Also what size is the spacebar on the HHKB layout?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 14 April 2013, 17:10:21
How much do MX Clears cost for each switch in this GB?

If you order them yourself, directly from 7bit on Deskthority, they are currently at a pre-order price of 0.54 EUR, or $0.71/ea. If you order them from this GB, and we aren't able to get them from 7bit at pre-order prices, they will be 0.65 EUR, or $0.86/ea. Either way, you can have them sent to the GH60 organizers for assembly.

Our other supplier cannot provide MX Clears or MX Whites.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 14 April 2013, 17:24:34
If you're desperate for clear switches, I'll probably be getting some that are desoldered from keyboards. They're not directly offered in this GB because they're not brand new. Brand new ones still need to be directly from 7bit unless we can find some.

I really wish we could have gotten some white switches. Those are the only ones I really wanted too :/
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 14 April 2013, 17:47:36
If you're desperate for clear switches, I'll probably be getting some that are desoldered from keyboards. They're not directly offered in this GB because they're not brand new. Brand new ones still need to be directly from 7bit unless we can find some.

I really wish we could have gotten some white switches. Those are the only ones I really wanted too :/

I'm getting 2 gh60s (hopefully)

Main one will have whites, and the second one will have greens.

:( I'm sad too.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: salmo on Sun, 14 April 2013, 17:59:22
I gave in and added switches and a plate to my order through the change form.  If someone gets a chance, could they PM me with my full order and the estimated grand total post-change.  Thanks!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: thoere on Sun, 14 April 2013, 18:19:45
Oh and sorry to ask so many questions but for the HHKB layout, where do I get the top plate?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Sun, 14 April 2013, 18:28:55
I've been searching and if people want to, there are White switches (Plate mounted) on Conrad-uk.com for £0.36 ($0.55) per switch when ordering over 500, with free delivery (because it's over £67).

I have no idea how much postage would be for an individual to then split the order up and resend out to other people, but it may be worth looking into.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 14 April 2013, 18:47:39
What kind of volume do we need for switches (Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Gray) to be priced @ $0.60/ea?
Oh and will they be offered in PCB, Plate mount, or both?

PS - For anyone wanting ergo clears, you can buy gray switches instead. The stems are identical.

^ light grey  ;)

Yes, gray switches are a lighter gray, but their names are mx gray and mx dark gray. Dark gray will also not be offered :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cyberwave on Sun, 14 April 2013, 18:51:23
^ light grey  ;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 14 April 2013, 19:03:59
I already have all the plate designs worked out after this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg845617#msg845617) post, so here's what is happening:

All plates with 1.5x modifier spacing will have additional cutouts for a 10x (also 8x and 9x) spacebar. Meaning it's compatible with both 7x - 10x spacebars. There is also a "universal" plate that supports every layout except ones with inner 1.25x modifiers. It's basically the same exact one as this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41464.msg844848#msg844848) post but with cuttouts for 7x spacebar, which is almost identical to the one jdcarpe just posted. This will probably be special made one since I don't imagine will get high quantity orders. I tried to integrate this with the current universal plate, but the overlaps make this impossible.

The replica HHKB layout with 6x offset spacebar can just use the current univeral plate design, it's perfectly compatible.

I'll post a pic this new plate and updated plates when I get home. I already sent the universal plate design for prototype.

Maybe it is just me, but I don't think all of the spacebars listed will work.  I agree that they will all fit on the plate, but I think there will be odd gaps with most of them.  I hope I am wrong, but I think only the following spacebars will work:

6.25x (1.25 - 1.25 - 1.25 - 6.25 - 1.25 - 1.25 - 1.25 - 1.25)
7x (1.5x - 1x - 1.5x - 7x - 1.5x - 1x - 1.5x)
10x (1.5x - 1x - 10x - 1x - 1.5x)

Here is the best representation of the available key size combinations on the GH60 I could derive from available information in all of the threads:

[attachimg=1]
GH60 Spacebar/mod position availability in Rev. B

The black shows the standard ANSI 7 * 1.25 mods with a 6.25 spacebar.  The green shows the Cherry standard 7.00 spacebar with 1.50 modifiers and 1.00 modifiers or filler plates.  They both work normally.

By adding the additional stabilizer mounts outside of those for the 7x spacebar, a long list of spacebars will fit on the plate, but only the 10x, shown in dark red, fits without a gap to a 1.00 / 1.50 pair on each end.

However, the 8x shown in pink and the 9x shown in blue leave gaps between the keycaps.  The 9x could work if a pair of 1.50 keycaps could be mounted on each end, but I believe the second-to-right position can only be 1.00 or 1.25.

So, as is, the GH60 supports 6.25, 7x and 10x spacebars.  If a pair of 1.50 keycaps can be mounted on each end, then additionally a 9x spacebar could work.
(1.5x - 1.5x - 9x - 1.5x - 1.5x)

This matters because SP does not have 10x molds in all profiles, but they do have 8x and 9x molds, at least one of which we hope to include with Retro Green and Retro Blue.

Please jdcarpe et al, tell me that I am wrong, and that 8x and/or 9x can be used in some configuration.

Thanks gentlemen!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Poker.png)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 14 April 2013, 19:22:59
Unfortunately (lol) you are correct Ron. A spacebar size 6x through 10x will physically fit and can mount, but I don't think there are switch supports for proper spacing if you use 8x and 9x spacebar sizes.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 14 April 2013, 19:39:50
Unfortunately (lol) you are correct Ron. A spacebar size 6x through 10x will physically fit and can mount, but I don't think there are switch supports for proper spacing if you use 8x and 9x spacebar sizes.

Hmm.  Sad.

If we went old-school, we could do 1.5 - 1.5(step L) - 9 - 1.5(step R) - 1.5.  That would require 1.5 - 1 - (.5 gap) - 9 - (.5 gap) - 1 - 1.5 spacing.  SP has molds for that.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Loligagger on Sun, 14 April 2013, 19:42:55
If you're desperate for clear switches, I'll probably be getting some that are desoldered from keyboards. They're not directly offered in this GB because they're not brand new. Brand new ones still need to be directly from 7bit unless we can find some.

I really wish we could have gotten some white switches. Those are the only ones I really wanted too :/

I could trade 61 mx whites for clears if you want.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 14 April 2013, 19:51:00
I could trade 61 mx whites for clears if you want.

Do you have a second batch of 61 whites? I'll trade you clear stems/springs if so :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Loligagger on Sun, 14 April 2013, 19:54:48
Do you have a second batch of 61 whites? I'll trade you stems if so :)

I just have the 61 I pulled out of my poker and temporarily replaced with clears until the gh60 arrives. Found out that I like clears a lot more than whites once I did so. I would like to try ergo clears though.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 14 April 2013, 19:57:25
Do you have a second batch of 61 whites? I'll trade you stems if so :)

I just have the 61 I pulled out of my poker and temporarily replaced with clears until the gh60 arrives. Found out that I like clears a lot more than whites once I did so. I would like to try ergo clears though.

By all means, see if WFD wants them first (he'll have clears to trade you soon). I'm sure he's going to want them, but I'll take them if he doesn't lol.

PS - I also have clears I can trade, but I'd rather see WFD get his whites first :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 14 April 2013, 22:16:01
JD i just sent you a massive pm...sorry for the length and amount of questions...my mind is full of fug
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Sun, 14 April 2013, 22:28:48
GH60 MX Lock compatible?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 14 April 2013, 22:32:53
MX lock fits into the same footprint as the rest of MX... you mean the software?  The software is fully configurable
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Sun, 14 April 2013, 22:39:22
Hmmm I should try to get some from 7bit.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 14 April 2013, 22:45:02
MX lock is ok for any key EXCEPT capslock, in case that's what you were thinking. The key presses for capslock doesn't work exactly the same way as any other key.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:22:23
MX lock is ok for any key EXCEPT capslock, in case that's what you were thinking. The key presses for capslock doesn't work exactly the same way as any other key.

I am going to try them out as the Fn keyswitch, since that is a key that works on key-down events and could be useful if it stays down for the WASD arrows on a Poker.  (It might also turn out to be completely annoying!)

It is really too bad the logic of Caps Lock gets all twisted around if you try to use a lock switch, since on the old typewriters and even some terminals that was exactly how they worked.

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:26:46
With the appropriate firmware, it could happen
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:30:01
how would one type with an all mx lock board?  :confused:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:32:24
how would one type with an all mx lock board?  :confused:
Caps lock haha

Nvm I just saw the rest of the posts.  Sad
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fl0w3n on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:33:51
I ordered the Universal Plates...but now today after dealing with my first PCB mount Cherry Stabs on this WYSE board I was desoldering...I'm unsure about them :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:38:58
Stabilizers aren't something that needs to be installed more than once, unlike keycaps. But you're right, for whatever reason you need to take them off, PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers are the hardest out of the 3 types if you have a plate on there. Desoldering is no fun either.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:39:15
how would one type with an all mx lock board?  :confused:
Caps lock haha

Nvm I just saw the rest of the posts.  Sad

Could use it for a shift lock and get approximately the same thing.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Sun, 14 April 2013, 23:40:54
Yeah I guess you could do two shifts and throw a lock on one eh?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: classicps on Mon, 15 April 2013, 00:00:07
I ordered one :) for now!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 15 April 2013, 01:18:05
how would one type with an all mx lock board?  :confused:
Caps lock haha

Nvm I just saw the rest of the posts.  Sad

Could use it for a shift lock and get approximately the same thing.

actually a decent idea for an hhkb layout on the right shift :P
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 15 April 2013, 05:14:51
MX lock is ok for any key EXCEPT capslock, in case that's what you were thinking. The key presses for capslock doesn't work exactly the same way as any other key.

I am going to try them out as the Fn keyswitch, since that is a key that works on key-down events and could be useful if it stays down for the WASD arrows on a Poker.  (It might also turn out to be completely annoying!)

It is really too bad the logic of Caps Lock gets all twisted around if you try to use a lock switch, since on the old typewriters and even some terminals that was exactly how they worked.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

It should be possible to program the correct logic into the controller software.

If Caps Lock is down, send a signal to the computer once and then keep silent until the status changes to "Caps Lock up".

Another way would be to use Shift or program the complete logic Caps Lock has in the computer into the controller software ...

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cusx on Mon, 15 April 2013, 05:16:22
hmm, I've got a few questions:

1) Are casing sold separately from this thread or from this thread ? I really like the CNC casing, but I think it's completely sold.

2) As someone who has never soldered anything before, is it possible for someone like me to assemble the keyboard ? Just soldering the switches and stuff, not the smt.

Thanks !
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 15 April 2013, 05:19:41
hmm, I've got a few questions:

1) Are casing sold separately from this thread or from this thread ? I really like the CNC casing, but I think it's completely sold.

2) As someone who has never soldered anything before, is it possible for someone like me to assemble the keyboard ? Just soldering the switches and stuff, not the smt.

Thanks !

1-yes they are. In the OP, you will see a list of cases and links where to get them

2-yes! It's not hard, just read up a bit, ask questions, and you'll be good!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cyberwave on Mon, 15 April 2013, 05:46:22
if i wanted to build a 'Samwisekoi' layout  but with 2.25x L-shift, i'd have to get a universal plate?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fl0w3n on Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:40:15
Stabilizers aren't something that needs to be installed more than once, unlike keycaps. But you're right, for whatever reason you need to take them off, PCB-mounted cherry stabilizers are the hardest out of the 3 types if you have a plate on there. Desoldering is no fun either.

Ducky dk-1087 uses PCB mount cherry stabilizers right?

I'm just worried about sacrificing a solid rigid feel to the key presses by going with them.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:41:41
how would one type with an all mx lock board?  :confused:
Caps lock haha

Nvm I just saw the rest of the posts.  Sad

Could use it for a shift lock and get approximately the same thing.

actually a decent idea for an hhkb layout on the right shift :P

Unforunately the computer will register any key-up event on the other shift and release the shifted state, leaving you with the shift button locked down and the computer unshifted.  Try it on your computer by holding one shift key down and pressing and releasing the other, while typing with a third ? hand.

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:45:02
how would one type with an all mx lock board?  :confused:
Caps lock haha

Nvm I just saw the rest of the posts.  Sad

Could use it for a shift lock and get approximately the same thing.

actually a decent idea for an hhkb layout on the right shift :P

Unforunately the computer will register any key-up event on the other shift and release the shifted state, leaving you with the shift button locked down and the computer unshifted.  Try it on your computer by holding one shift key down and pressing and releasing the other, while typing with a third ? hand.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

... or you could use your pinky fingers.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 15 April 2013, 10:01:53
how would one type with an all mx lock board?  :confused:
Caps lock haha

Nvm I just saw the rest of the posts.  Sad

Could use it for a shift lock and get approximately the same thing.

actually a decent idea for an hhkb layout on the right shift :P

Unforunately the computer will register any key-up event on the other shift and release the shifted state, leaving you with the shift button locked down and the computer unshifted.  Try it on your computer by holding one shift key down and pressing and releasing the other, while typing with a third ? hand.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

... or you could use your pinky fingers.

Or that.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 15 April 2013, 10:03:09
you could use your pinkey fingers yea

but meh probably won't get one haha :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Mon, 15 April 2013, 10:23:24
Unforunately the computer will register any key-up event on the other shift and release the shifted state, leaving you with the shift button locked down and the computer unshifted.  Try it on your computer by holding one shift key down and pressing and releasing the other, while typing with a third ? hand.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

I tried it and everything was still shifted...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Mon, 15 April 2013, 10:35:43
Unforunately the computer will register any key-up event on the other shift and release the shifted state, leaving you with the shift button locked down and the computer unshifted.  Try it on your computer by holding one shift key down and pressing and releasing the other, while typing with a third ? hand.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

I tried it and everything was still shifted...

Depends on how the OS handles the keyup event. My guess is that Windows would unshift as described. I'm on Linux, and it doesn't unshift if I hold one shift, then press and release the other.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: whiskytango on Mon, 15 April 2013, 10:54:25
Unforunately the computer will register any key-up event on the other shift and release the shifted state, leaving you with the shift button locked down and the computer unshifted.  Try it on your computer by holding one shift key down and pressing and releasing the other, while typing with a third ? hand.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

I tried it and everything was still shifted...

Depends on how the OS handles the keyup event. My guess is that Windows would unshift as described. I'm on Linux, and it doesn't unshift if I hold one shift, then press and release the other.

Yeah, I just tried this on Win 7 32 bit machine using QFR and a Rosewill 9000 and it did not un-shift. Not sure why this wouldn't work?? I'm also looking for something cool to do with my 2 mx locks
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:02:18
I have lock on my right shift, when engaged it is shifted. Pressing the other shift does not cause lower case.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glissant on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:15:44
Windows 8 does not "unshift" on my GH60. Works perfectly fine on my Poker too. I don't feel the need to check my Filcos.

I'm starting to wonder if I made the right plate choices. Hmmm...
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:24:45
I'm starting to wonder if I made the right plate choices. Hmmm...

Just order MOAR! You can get more plates than PCBs if you want... :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 15 April 2013, 12:27:58
Or you can get more PCBs than plates!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glissant on Mon, 15 April 2013, 14:10:13
Or I could get more of both! I'm trying to avoid having to desolder anything once it's done ;). Desoldering is a PITA.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 15 April 2013, 14:12:41
If you went PCB mount, you would only have to desolder a minimal amount of switches to switch layouts.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 15 April 2013, 14:31:56
Attention everybody. The price of GH60 assembled PCB goes down to $30. WFD, could you update the op, please?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fl0w3n on Mon, 15 April 2013, 14:34:48
Fantastic news!

Maybe that means 1 more for only $20 more than I already budgeted...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Mon, 15 April 2013, 14:37:55
Attention everybody. The price of GH60 assembled PCB goes down to $30. WFD, could you update the op, please?

I don't suppose the DIY goes down a little too? Or is this just an assembly efficiency?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 15 April 2013, 14:38:05
WOOOOOOoooooooo0o0oOOo00oo00oOOO0o00oooo
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glissant on Mon, 15 April 2013, 14:39:43
Well that makes it a whole lot easier to add another PCB and plate :D. I'll do that tomorrow!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 15 April 2013, 15:19:48
Good news!  Savin me some money.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 15 April 2013, 15:23:28
Only $5 more for predone SMD hell? I'll have to change my order!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ter_ on Mon, 15 April 2013, 15:23:39
I ordered one but How do I know my order went through?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 15 April 2013, 15:45:58
I ordered one but How do I know my order went through?
It did.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Mon, 15 April 2013, 15:51:34
Only $5 more for predone SMD hell? I'll have to change my order!
The DIY prices will hopefully go down as well, though everybody who orders them has to understand that these boards were designed for automatic assembly and you do need at least some experience and hardware to solder them correctly.
WFD and me are currently estimating the cost of parts (checking Europe and America).

There have been suggestions to enlarge the pads for X1, but I'm not really keen on this idea. I'm using recommended land patterns. Enlarging them together with solder paste layer means more solder and possibly solder blobs, enlarging keeping the solder paste as it was means solder pouring over the whole larger pad and potentially not enough to mount the part well. Except for that, this is the most sensitive area of the board, so the less exposed conductor the better.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 15 April 2013, 16:02:10
Attention everybody. The price of GH60 assembled PCB goes down to $30.
I don't suppose the DIY goes down a little too? Or is this just an assembly efficiency?

It could go down just a tad. We're sourcing the cheapest parts from the US and Europe for the DIY kit. I'm composing the BoM for the SMD components this evening.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Binge on Mon, 15 April 2013, 16:06:36
Would it be possible to update the OP with all of the new info?  Thanks for all your hard work guys!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 15 April 2013, 17:03:54
i can order two now!!!  :D :p
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Winther on Mon, 15 April 2013, 19:36:30
dang.. just changed my order to one PCB instead of the two I originally ordered, and then I find out its gone down in price.. :P

If I change my order again, do you guys think it would be easy to sell one (PCB or maybe with switches..) if I decide I only need one efter getting the board?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tarzan on Mon, 15 April 2013, 19:37:32
dang.. just changed my order to one PCB instead of the two I originally ordered, and then I find out its gone down in price.. :P

If I change my order again, do you guys think it would be easy to sell one (PCB or maybe with switches..) if I decide I only need one efter getting the board?

Yes.

Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 15 April 2013, 19:54:21
I wonder if the price of the plates will go down. The first round of plates by Beast were only $10
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: OddOne on Mon, 15 April 2013, 20:19:47
Just placed my order.  Going for a wkl pure layout.  Thanks to everyone who made this possible.

Cheers, OddOne
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Mon, 15 April 2013, 22:17:48
I wonder if the price of the plates will go down. The first round of plates by Beast were only $10

If they were only $10 I'd buy a few more :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 15 April 2013, 22:27:13
I wonder if the price of the plates will go down. The first round of plates by Beast were only $10

There are a lot more plate variations in this GB then there were in my first GB. I essentially had one design, and one that was 99% the same with a slight variation


Also, would it be cheaper just to have everything pre-SMD soldered and combine the DIY and the non-DIY for a larger, cheaper, single price (also easier to pack/ship/sort)?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 15 April 2013, 22:32:19
Also, would it be cheaper just to have everything pre-SMD soldered and combine the DIY and the non-DIY for a larger, cheaper, single price (also easier to pack/ship/sort)?

I'm also curious about this :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Caaaarrrt on Mon, 15 April 2013, 23:06:52
Order submitted :)

Keen as for this!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Tue, 16 April 2013, 00:28:27
Order submitted :)

Keen as for this!

YEA BUDDY!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Tue, 16 April 2013, 02:39:26
I wonder if the price of the plates will go down. The first round of plates by Beast were only $10

There are a lot more plate variations in this GB then there were in my first GB. I essentially had one design, and one that was 99% the same with a slight variation


Also, would it be cheaper just to have everything pre-SMD soldered and combine the DIY and the non-DIY for a larger, cheaper, single price (also easier to pack/ship/sort)?
Not sure it would be cheaper, but for sure it would be less hassle. We wouldn't have to pack the components into bags. 14 prototypes took me a few hours of cutting tape and counting, and the shielded bags aren't cheap either.


But I think some people just want to solder on their own.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: kaiserreich on Tue, 16 April 2013, 03:34:54
I have very little knowledge on PCB assembly and I would like to learn more about it.
1. What is stopping you all from getting it machine assembled?
2. If it is cost, how much are we talking about?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Tue, 16 April 2013, 03:57:04
Nothing's stopping us. Some people just want to solder themselves. The $30 price includes machine assembly.
Switches remain to be soldered at home in both cases of course.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 16 April 2013, 07:09:36
I'm fine with combining, not a big deal. I mainly was doing DIY for cost, but at $5 difference, I can practice my smd soldering elsewhere. If done with pick and place, you should just have that one option. :-)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Tue, 16 April 2013, 07:16:33
We're sourcing the cheapest parts from the US and Europe for the DIY kit.

It's cool that you save everyone money, but won't "getting the cheapest parts" make the final product suffer?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Kmynis on Tue, 16 April 2013, 08:18:34
We're sourcing the cheapest parts from the US and Europe for the DIY kit.

It's cool that you save everyone money, but won't "getting the cheapest parts" make the final product suffer?


Not really in this case. Keyboard is more of a digital thing than analog so there is no space for distortions and so on. What matters more is the soldering which affects the durability of the keyboard.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Tue, 16 April 2013, 08:27:30
We're sourcing the cheapest parts from the US and Europe for the DIY kit.

It's cool that you save everyone money, but won't "getting the cheapest parts" make the final product suffer?

Not really in this case. Keyboard is more of a digital thing than analog so there is no space for distortions and so on. What matters more is the soldering which affects the durability of the keyboard.

Thanks for answering :) It was really just curiosity.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Germiphene on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:03:44
Hi, is there a list or spreadsheet of the orders anywhere?  I'm very likely blind and it's in a very obvious area, but I couldn't for the life of me find it.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Shinryuu on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:05:46
It seems I have to cancel my order because I'm not going to have much money for a while because I'm unemployed and I have to spend it for living. Hope this message reaches before the deadline :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:05:53
How many people really ordered the DIY? Would switching them over (likely against the wont of some) really make a difference in the overall price? Just curious.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: battletux on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:08:46
Just wondering how I can go about amending my order to add a 2nd pcb? At $30 I best get a 2nd for work!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:10:03
Just wondering how I can go about amending my order to add a 2nd pcb? At $30 I best get a 2nd for work!

There's a huge link in the OP to modify your order  ;D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:15:05
It seems I have to cancel my order because I'm not going to have much money for a while because I'm unemployed and I have to spend it for living. Hope this message reaches before the deadline :)

So sorry to hear that. I have cancelled your order. :'(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Germiphene on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:18:06
Just wondering how I can go about amending my order to add a 2nd pcb? At $30 I best get a 2nd for work!

There's a huge link in the OP to modify your order  ;D

Hah! I guess where it says order changes.... that's the spot right??  ;D

I guess I was hoping to find a place where I could see what I had originally ordered.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:21:27
Just wondering how I can go about amending my order to add a 2nd pcb? At $30 I best get a 2nd for work!

There's a huge link in the OP to modify your order  ;D

Hah! I guess where it says order changes.... that's the spot right??  ;D

I guess I was hoping to find a place where I could see what I had originally ordered.

I believe the only way to see your order is to ask the staff for a PM with it.

Sidenote: Hasn't anyone come around to make something like a "group buy organizing web app"?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:35:18
There is one.  It was used for the Retro DSA GB.  I have no idea why they went with the awkward Google Docs system here when a much better system was available
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: boost on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:35:44
Order forum filled out again. Can you please delete my previous orders.

Thanks!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 16 April 2013, 09:36:17
AFAIK, the system isn't available yet. It's not even in full use for DSA Retro ATM.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Tue, 16 April 2013, 10:05:26
Maybe I should make such a thing, as an excuse to try out some new web dev tech  :p You guys think it would have an audience, if done right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 16 April 2013, 10:07:53
If done right, yes. Matt3o's was done very well. We're all waiting to see what happens with it, and whether it will be available for future use of GBs.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: battletux on Tue, 16 April 2013, 10:29:02
Just wondering how I can go about amending my order to add a 2nd pcb? At $30 I best get a 2nd for work!

There's a huge link in the OP to modify your order  ;D

Hah! I guess where it says order changes.... that's the spot right??  ;D

I guess I was hoping to find a place where I could see what I had originally ordered.

I believe the only way to see your order is to ask the staff for a PM with it.

Sidenote: Hasn't anyone come around to make something like a "group buy organizing web app"?

Thanks, glasses must be dirtier than I thought.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Tue, 16 April 2013, 11:16:37
don't forget to change the price of the pcbs in the order form.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 16 April 2013, 11:32:13
I plan to have a lock switch on the right winkey. it will actually be programmed to be a ScrLk key that is toggleable I use this for voice comm in vent. the left winkey will also be a ScrLk key just not locking.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 16 April 2013, 12:10:37
Sidenote: Hasn't anyone come around to make something like a "group buy organizing web app"?
There is one.  It was used for the Retro DSA GB.  I have no idea why they went with the awkward Google Docs system here when a much better system was available

Matt3o has a very efficient app that lets you check your own order and modify it. I've already PMed a while ago and he said he was working on the software, but not finished yet. Trust me, I would want that system up and running more than anyone. I'm getting a lot of PMs just to verify order, but there is no other way. Google doc is the 2nd most efficient way so the requests are saved somewhere until we have time to change it. Changing order by PM could be a big mess if they aren't done right when they're read.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 16 April 2013, 13:07:37
Sidenote: Hasn't anyone come around to make something like a "group buy organizing web app"?
There is one.  It was used for the Retro DSA GB.  I have no idea why they went with the awkward Google Docs system here when a much better system was available

Matt3o has a very efficient app that lets you check your own order and modify it. I've already PMed a while ago and he said he was working on the software, but not finished yet. Trust me, I would want that system up and running more than anyone. I'm getting a lot of PMs just to verify order, but there is no other way. Google doc is the 2nd most efficient way so the requests are saved somewhere until we have time to change it. Changing order by PM could be a big mess if they aren't done right when they're read.

Why not link all the order data (no addresses or names) to another google doc and then make that one public?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: salmo on Tue, 16 April 2013, 13:37:02
...
Why not link all the order data (no addresses or names) to another google doc and then make that one public?

This would be very nice.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 16 April 2013, 13:38:29
Sidenote: Hasn't anyone come around to make something like a "group buy organizing web app"?
There is one.  It was used for the Retro DSA GB.  I have no idea why they went with the awkward Google Docs system here when a much better system was available

Matt3o has a very efficient app that lets you check your own order and modify it. I've already PMed a while ago and he said he was working on the software, but not finished yet. Trust me, I would want that system up and running more than anyone. I'm getting a lot of PMs just to verify order, but there is no other way. Google doc is the 2nd most efficient way so the requests are saved somewhere until we have time to change it. Changing order by PM could be a big mess if they aren't done right when they're read.

Why not link all the order data (no addresses or names) to another google doc and then make that one public?

Show me how to do this please.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: komar007 on Tue, 16 April 2013, 14:43:11
When I ordered the acrylic case from alixinhzai after I filled the form I got a link where you can edit your order.
Shame that doesn't work on GH60. Any idea how to do this? Maybe we could change that behavior and generate those links and send them to the people.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 16 April 2013, 15:20:43
Why not link all the order data (no addresses or names) to another google doc and then make that one public?

How do I link data to auto update as they get filled out? I tried doing this and I think this isn't an option. Only way is to copy/paste to another spreadsheet and make it public. This is still manual work of constantly copy/pasting every time an order is filled in, and order changes still must be done manually. How do I allow users to change their own order?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Viett on Tue, 16 April 2013, 15:24:31
Show me how to do this please.

The function is importrange(). You can find information here (http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/786/how-do-i-link-a-cell-in-google-spreadsheets-to-a-cell-in-another-document). Here is an example of a public document I made with references to a private document:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq3q9uSv12TbdGlqS0lVOURydTB6QldVeEVnNlhFeFE#gid=0

You can see that I used the function:

Code: [Select]
=importrange("0Aq3q9uSv12TbdHZ0RzBSRDctTzZaalBtWnZvQ3JzTnc","B:B")
where "0Aq3q9uSv12TbdHZ0RzBSRDctTzZaalBtWnZvQ3JzTnc" is the private document key (found in the URL of the private document).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 16 April 2013, 16:55:16
^ THANK YOU, I got it working  :-* ;)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Nunez on Tue, 16 April 2013, 17:59:34
oooo nice!

Pity G-docs is blocked at work :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Index on Tue, 16 April 2013, 18:41:04
Can someone pm my order? Need to make sure I ordered the correct items. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 16 April 2013, 18:44:28
^ THANK YOU, I got it working  :-* ;)

Yup, you can do certain columns as well. A:A = names, B:B = address, C:C = order, so copy everything but B:B for example

only thing it can't do is order changes, but you can just have everyone submit new orders and (maybe) have a script delete older entries
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 16 April 2013, 20:06:52
Does anyone have the dimensions of the GH60 pcb or autoCAD files? I am working on designing an acrylic/ polycarb case. I can post it here once I am done.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 16 April 2013, 21:10:18
Here are your orders. I think from now on, if you need to change an order, just submit a new order, fill now the order change sheet to delete old order. That's faster than us manually changing stuff. But in the new order, put in the comments section "new updated order". Use Ctrl + F and search for yourself since there are a lot of entries.

red  = GH PCB
green = plates

Order confirmation (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AraAg2A1x5csdGhmV2xKd2h5SmZQUFFSa3ZSZ3BjWkE&usp=sharing)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 16 April 2013, 21:40:13
Here are your orders. I think from now on, if you need to change an order, just submit a new order, fill now the order change sheet to delete old order. That's faster than us manually changing stuff. But in the new order, put in the comments section "new updated order". Use Ctrl + F and search for yourself since there are a lot of entries.

red  = GH PCB
green = plates

Order confirmation (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AraAg2A1x5csdGhmV2xKd2h5SmZQUFFSa3ZSZ3BjWkE&usp=sharing)

Any chance you can Freeze the top row so the users at the bottom can easily see what the columns correspond to without scrolling up and down?  Regardless, the order confirmation form is superb!  Thanks for that!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tarzan on Tue, 16 April 2013, 21:58:17
Looks like I need to submit a new order.  The order modification I filled out seemed to have wiped out my first order.   :(
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 16 April 2013, 22:00:22
order is done as soon as i figure out how im getting my mx whites :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: dndlmx on Tue, 16 April 2013, 22:02:04
The case thing is a huge bummer.  :confused:

I would love to order a GH60. But there's no abundant, cheap cases to be had. Something simple like Poker/Pure.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 16 April 2013, 22:26:23
The case thing is a huge bummer.  :confused:

I would love to order a GH60. But there's no abundant, cheap cases to be had. Something simple like Poker/Pure.
You just missed the custom acrylic case GB
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cyberwave on Tue, 16 April 2013, 22:35:14
The case thing is a huge bummer.  :confused:

I would love to order a GH60. But there's no abundant, cheap cases to be had. Something simple like Poker/Pure.
You just missed the custom acrylic case GB

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40468.0 this?

there would be round #2 and beyond :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: dndlmx on Tue, 16 April 2013, 22:50:21
The case thing is a huge bummer.  :confused:

I would love to order a GH60. But there's no abundant, cheap cases to be had. Something simple like Poker/Pure.
You just missed the custom acrylic case GB

I saw the ones by alixinhzai, I wasn't 100% into them. And $55 shipped, is more than I need. A mass-produced, cheap tray like Poker/Pure would be ideal.

*** I looked at them again, it's not so bad. But still...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Tue, 16 April 2013, 23:36:19
holey smokes imsto is going crazy ;)


will submit my order tomorrow since it didn't got through yesterday... (****ty internet on my side)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Nunez on Wed, 17 April 2013, 00:44:17
The case thing is a huge bummer.  :confused:

I would love to order a GH60. But there's no abundant, cheap cases to be had. Something simple like Poker/Pure.
You just missed the custom acrylic case GB

I saw the ones by alixinhzai, I wasn't 100% into them. And $55 shipped, is more than I need. A mass-produced, cheap tray like Poker/Pure would be ideal.

*** I looked at them again, it's not so bad. But still...


Give it a bit and I'm sure more stock poker cases will come available as people migrate to Custom ones.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Wed, 17 April 2013, 00:48:22
The case thing is a huge bummer.  :confused:

I would love to order a GH60. But there's no abundant, cheap cases to be had. Something simple like Poker/Pure.
You just missed the custom acrylic case GB

I saw the ones by alixinhzai, I wasn't 100% into them. And $55 shipped, is more than I need. A mass-produced, cheap tray like Poker/Pure would be ideal.

*** I looked at them again, it's not so bad. But still...


Give it a bit and I'm sure more stock poker cases will come available as people migrate to Custom ones.

but i don't think that they will be much cheaper because of the huge demand
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: BimboBB on Wed, 17 April 2013, 03:03:47
I made an "order change" yesterday, but seems it didnt made it into the new "order confirmation". Are you still going to update the "order confirmation" or is it updated as per time you posted it?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 17 April 2013, 04:33:28
It should auto update when we change it. But if you just put in a request yesterday, then it probably won't be changed that quick. Total order change, not including the ones in PMs are at 142 right now.

Geez you guys are so indecisive.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 17 April 2013, 06:45:38
It should auto update when we change it. But if you just put in a request yesterday, then it probably won't be changed that quick. Total order change, not including the ones in PMs are at 142 right now.

Geez you guys are so indecisive.

Sorry WFD, make that 143. Filled the form again.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: agor on Wed, 17 April 2013, 06:47:14
Nice to see that I appearantly am order no. 16  :cool:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: osxoep on Wed, 17 April 2013, 09:18:41
Wow. The sheet seems to say that 395 PCBs (Normal and DIY) are ordered.

Make it 400 by this evening?

Edit: is there a MOQ on the plates?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Wed, 17 April 2013, 09:57:18
Are off center caps-lock available with all plates?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: foxer on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:03:16
I've not got time to read the first post and I've never done a group buy but how do I get in on this? All I've literally done is look at the pictures and fell in love with the ANSI WKL.
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: tricheboars on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:05:21
I've not got time to read the first post and I've never done a group buy but how do I get in on this? All I've literally done is look at the pictures and fell in love with the ANSI WKL.

it's all in the first post. you should read it for a number of reasons if you want to order.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:15:41
I've not got time to read the first post and I've never done a group buy but how do I get in on this? All I've literally done is look at the pictures and fell in love with the ANSI WKL.

If you don't have time to read the post, how do you expect us to write anything for you, for which you will likely not have time either? Go read it.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:24:48
I usually advocate for new users to be helped, but that was just ridiculous, foxer. Get out if you don't even plan to read the first post.

Changed my order to help grow that number ;D .


Now at 4PCBs and 2 universal plates. I might have to change my stabilizer order too, but I'll do that when I'm sure I can't get more while waiting.


I might just scrap my initial order and start over. I forgot to mention they should be ANSI plates, but I am guessing you guys remember what I use ;).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:25:57
Also, everyone order switches! :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Sai on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:36:45
i guess the only way to get whites is either from 7bit or buy pure from MK. >.<
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: foxer on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:38:21
Lol, I didn't mean like a whole walkthrough. I meant just a run down of how to order and whatnot while I was in queue for SC2. :3 Sorry for acting a moron, m'bad.

So after reading, I don't think I should order since I have no clue how to use a solder. I could ask my old man as he's an electrician but not sure if he'd do all what needed to be done for me. Once again, sorry for acting a prat. I'll just wait until one comes up for sale, if one comes up for sale fully made.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:52:40
You can have it shipped with switches assembled, but you still have to find case, cable, and key caps on your own.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: asura on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:56:38
There will be options for assembly service if you cannot build it yourself.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Tym on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:58:31
Lol, I didn't mean like a whole walkthrough. I meant just a run down of how to order and whatnot while I was in queue for SC2. :3 Sorry for acting a moron, m'bad.

So after reading, I don't think I should order since I have no clue how to use a solder. I could ask my old man as he's an electrician but not sure if he'd do all what needed to be done for me. Once again, sorry for acting a prat. I'll just wait until one comes up for sale, if one comes up for sale fully made.

Im sure there are other ways to do it, i would advise having a word with pexon as he can build them.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:58:36
GH60 Ordering for The Absolute Beginner

What to order:

1. GH60 PCB (SMD Presoldered)
2. Universal ANSI plate
3. 1 x Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers (6.25 spacebar wire)
4. 65 x MX Browns  (or Reds, Blues, Blacks, Greens, Greys)
5. Assembly service

>ORDER FORM< (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1s6QEJLRtw16Xt1WuEps6xWKl4EDLLBxhFx6fSUlIWFE/viewform)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: foxer on Wed, 17 April 2013, 12:59:07
You can have it shipped with switches assembled, but you still have to find case, cable, and key caps on your own.

Without sounding like a complete noob, how hard is it to fit a case? I'd order a Mimic cable and keycaps won't be a worry, at all. :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Index on Wed, 17 April 2013, 13:25:56
Here are your orders. I think from now on, if you need to change an order, just submit a new order, fill now the order change sheet to delete old order. That's faster than us manually changing stuff. But in the new order, put in the comments section "new updated order". Use Ctrl + F and search for yourself since there are a lot of entries.

red  = GH PCB
green = plates

Order confirmation (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AraAg2A1x5csdGhmV2xKd2h5SmZQUFFSa3ZSZ3BjWkE&usp=sharing)
Awesome, thanks WFD!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Wed, 17 April 2013, 13:43:16
Are off center caps-lock available with all plates?
Anyone have an answer to this?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 17 April 2013, 13:45:25
Are off center caps-lock available with all plates?
Anyone have an answer to this?

Not just "anyone" can answer your question. Only WFD knows for sure. I would guess that the answer is yes, but it's only a guess.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 17 April 2013, 13:54:38
Are off center caps-lock available with all plates?
Anyone have an answer to this?

If you look at original plate pics I posted, all plates supports both centered and off-centered capslock.

I'll update pics and OP before the ordering deadline. I'm still backlogged with a bunch of things to do on this forum :/
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Wed, 17 April 2013, 14:25:15
So I specify that in the additional notes section? because I will buy assembly service.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 17 April 2013, 14:27:41
So I specify that in the additional notes section? because I will buy assembly service.

Yes, specify whether you want center or off-center Caps Lock in the notes.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Wed, 17 April 2013, 14:52:02
So I specify that in the additional notes section? because I will buy assembly service.

Yes, specify whether you want center or off-center Caps Lock in the notes.
Thank you :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MarkPharaoh on Wed, 17 April 2013, 16:42:08
oops, forgot the spacebar wires, resubmitted my order. Also, holy crap @ imsto's order, lol.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pix3l_fodder on Wed, 17 April 2013, 16:47:02
Those space bar wires, can anyone explain if they're required for cherry stabs on an ISO 1.25x?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 17 April 2013, 16:48:23
Those space bar wires, can anyone explain if they're required for cherry stabs on an ISO 1.25x?

You would need a 6.25 spacebar wire
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: oluf on Wed, 17 April 2013, 21:30:44
Also, everyone order switches! :D

...Through this GB? Or, via 7-Bit directly? ...Or, just in general? =)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Wed, 17 April 2013, 21:32:07
Also, everyone order switches! :D

...Through this GB? Or, via 7-Bit directly? ...Or, just in general? =)
Throught the GB
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: limmy on Wed, 17 April 2013, 21:58:30
I put in an order today. Thank you for organizing this GB.

I have a question on the spacebar wire used for Cherry PCB mount stabilizer. I have a x7 space bar wire from an old Cherry keyboard, but it has additional groves in the middle of the wire. Can that wire be used with the universal ANSI plate?

Also, is it possible to order just the spacebar wire?

Thank you!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 17 April 2013, 22:06:26
The grooves that you're referring to won't work with a plate no matter which way your orient it. That kink will either hit the plate or the PCB and make the stabilizer get stuck. You need a perfectly straight wire.

I'm just going to organize them in "sets." It's too hard to micro manage every small request when it comes time to invoice and packaging/shipping.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 17 April 2013, 22:27:37
I made one work by bending it. I bent the legs down, such that the groove in the middle wasn't 90 degrees to the legs, but more of a 135 degree angle (more obtuse).
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: limmy on Wed, 17 April 2013, 22:33:25
The grooves that you're referring to won't work with a plate no matter which way your orient it. That kink will either hit the plate or the PCB and make the stabilizer get stuck. You need a perfectly straight wire.

I'm just going to organize them in "sets." It's too hard to micro manage every small request when it comes time to invoice and packaging/shipping.

Thank you for your answer.

There are some plate designs that are compatible with the kinked wire, so it is not entirely impossible. However, incorporating the design may be too much work at this late stage or very hard given the compatibility of the plate. Anyways, I am glad to know.

I will add stabilizer set to my order. Thank you.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Wed, 17 April 2013, 23:57:51
damn... after seeing the poker 2 comign out for around $80 I think I need to change my order again.... (changed 2 min before I saw that thread...)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eon on Thu, 18 April 2013, 03:05:45
So the HHKB plate with splitted backspace and ANSI 1.5 bottom row doesn't exists any more, or is it still possibble to have one ?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: gnubag on Thu, 18 April 2013, 03:20:29
So the HHKB plate with splitted backspace and ANSI 1.5 bottom row doesn't exists any more, or is it still possibble to have one ?

you could do that with the universal ansi plate
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eon on Thu, 18 April 2013, 03:54:05
I don't like PCB mounted stabs :/
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Thu, 18 April 2013, 04:09:37
Also, everyone order switches! :D

...Through this GB? Or, via 7-Bit directly? ...Or, just in general? =)
Throught the GB
What switches are available?, all of them or what?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 18 April 2013, 04:16:13

What switches are available?, all of them or what?


Looking really good, unless you want MX Clear or MX White. Still need to order from 7bit for those.

We should be able to provide MX Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Grey for $0.60/ea.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Thu, 18 April 2013, 04:32:36

What switches are available?, all of them or what?


Looking really good, unless you want MX Clear or MX White. Still need to order from 7bit for those.

We should be able to provide MX Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Grey for $0.60/ea.
Are the gray switches light or dark grey?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: vorn on Thu, 18 April 2013, 04:53:57

What switches are available?, all of them or what?


Looking really good, unless you want MX Clear or MX White. Still need to order from 7bit for those.

We should be able to provide MX Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, Grey for $0.60/ea.
Are the gray switches light or dark grey?

Yes, gray switches are a lighter gray, but their names are mx gray and mx dark gray. Dark gray will also not be offered :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moosecraft on Thu, 18 April 2013, 05:00:44
Light grey ones have the same stem as clears right?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cyberwave on Thu, 18 April 2013, 05:35:11
Light grey ones have the same stem as clears right?

yep that is right :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dsan on Thu, 18 April 2013, 07:03:02
Will ordering switches delay the shipment,or will they be ready when the shipment of the keyboards will start?Also,are the switches pcb or plate mounted? :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cyberwave on Thu, 18 April 2013, 07:20:48
Will ordering switches delay the shipment,or will they be ready when the shipment of the keyboards will start?Also,are the switches pcb or plate mounted? :)

if using plate, both pcb and plate mounted switches can be used.
if not using a plate, only use pcb mounted switches
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: GeorgeK on Thu, 18 April 2013, 07:21:45
Unless you're getting a universal plate in which case it is suggested that you use PCB mounted switches for the ones that go in the bigger holes
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dsan on Thu, 18 April 2013, 07:31:16
Will ordering switches delay the shipment,or will they be ready when the shipment of the keyboards will start?Also,are the switches pcb or plate mounted? :)

if using plate, both pcb and plate mounted switches can be used.
if not using a plate, only use pcb mounted switches

Yeah I know this,maybe I didn't ask it properly.I want to know if the switches offered in the group buy are plate or pcb mounted :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Thu, 18 April 2013, 07:35:14
Both are offered, I believe. Just specify in the order which kind you want.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: llovro on Thu, 18 April 2013, 07:52:10
does gh60 have reattachable usb cable or how does it work?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Thu, 18 April 2013, 07:57:00
does gh60 have reattachable usb cable or how does it work?

PCB has a mini USB plug. You need to find a cable on your own. Mimic's cables seem to be quite popular, but I guess any A-MiniB cable will work, if you happen to have one lying around.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: llovro on Thu, 18 April 2013, 08:01:23
does gh60 have reattachable usb cable or how does it work?

PCB has a mini USB plug. You need to find a cable on your own. Mimic's cables seem to be quite popular, but I guess any A-MiniB cable will work, if you happen to have one lying around.
oh okay, thanks
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pix3l_fodder on Thu, 18 April 2013, 16:53:00
Those space bar wires, can anyone explain if they're required for cherry stabs on an ISO 1.25x?

You would need a 6.25 spacebar wire

How would one change my order, especially as its not listed on the front page as an order-able item?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 18 April 2013, 16:54:11
If you need to change an order, just submit a new order, and in the comments write "cancel my old order."
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Thu, 18 April 2013, 16:57:27
Those space bar wires, can anyone explain if they're required for cherry stabs on an ISO 1.25x?

You would need a 6.25 spacebar wire

How would one change my order, especially as its not listed on the front page as an order-able item?

Just specify the wire size along with the stab set order.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pix3l_fodder on Thu, 18 April 2013, 17:05:19
yep done that with the updated order, followed instructions from last page.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Winther on Thu, 18 April 2013, 17:10:30
What would be the spacebar wire size for the ISO 1.25 plate? 6.25 right?

Do you guys have a standard wire size if its not specified in the order?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jspark on Thu, 18 April 2013, 18:42:46
I don't know how much and where to pay. Please send me the invoice or can you provide any functionality to see what I really ordered?
Thanks
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: MKULTRA on Thu, 18 April 2013, 20:34:41
I don't know how much and where to pay. Please send me the invoice or can you provide any functionality to see what I really ordered?
Thanks
Read the thread.  All that info was posted
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: miscsubbin on Thu, 18 April 2013, 20:52:48
Can we get MX Green switches?
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 18 April 2013, 20:55:25
Can we get MX Green switches?

You can get Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, or (Light) Grey.

Plate mount or PCB mount.

:D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 18 April 2013, 21:03:13
Can we get MX Green switches?

You can get Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, or (Light) Grey.

Plate mount or PCB mount.

:D

Adding grease to the stem of a Green would basically be a ghetto white, correct?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cusx on Thu, 18 April 2013, 21:03:35
Can we get MX Green switches?

You can get Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, or (Light) Grey.

Plate mount or PCB mount.

:D

There isn't any clear switches ? Because I ordered some.
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: duq on Thu, 18 April 2013, 21:29:47
Can we get MX Green switches?

You can get Red, Blue, Brown, Black, Green, or (Light) Grey.

Plate mount or PCB mount.

:D

There isn't any clear switches ? Because I ordered some.

Check the group buys section. There is a clear group buy.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 18 April 2013, 21:31:09
If you order MX Whites or Clears from this GB, we will most likely have to submit the order for those to 7bit, after his preorder sale is over. Expect higher prices and delayed shipping.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: PixelScript on Fri, 19 April 2013, 06:06:49
Ordered ANSI 1.5x plate with blue switches, really love the HHKB layout with the normal RSHIFT :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: miscsubbin on Fri, 19 April 2013, 07:19:56
Can I get a PM confirming my order update?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dsan on Fri, 19 April 2013, 07:30:31
Ordered :D Can someone please tell me if what I wrote on the comment section is possible?Thank you
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: 4814 on Fri, 19 April 2013, 07:59:33
Quick question:
Am I able to use six 1.25x instead of the four 1.5x and the two 1x(?) keys on the bottom row with the Ansi 1.5x-Plate? If yes, does it affect the spacebar/stabilizer?
And if I buy the switches from 7bit (sorry... but I want white ones :D) and don't want the assembly service, it is recommend to let him sent the switches directly to me. Am I right?

BTW ty for this great group buy! Really looking forward to my GH60 :)

Edit: Think I got it... I could use six 1.25x but I would need a 7.5x Spacebar which seems to be pretty rare...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:24:51
Can I get a PM confirming my order update?

You can check it yourself here:

Here are your orders. I think from now on, if you need to change an order, just submit a new order, fill now the order change sheet to delete old order. That's faster than us manually changing stuff. But in the new order, put in the comments section "new updated order". Use Ctrl + F and search for yourself since there are a lot of entries.

red  = GH PCB
green = plates

Order confirmation (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AraAg2A1x5csdGhmV2xKd2h5SmZQUFFSa3ZSZ3BjWkE&usp=sharing)


Ordered :D Can someone please tell me if what I wrote on the comment section is possible?Thank you

Yes, we can do that. Don't you want your name on the package if it gets delivered to your office, so they know who the package is for?


Quick question:
Am I able to use six 1.25x instead of the four 1.5x and the two 1x(?) keys on the bottom row with the Ansi 1.5x-Plate? If yes, does it affect the spacebar/stabilizer?
And if I buy the switches from 7bit (sorry... but I want white ones :D) and don't want the assembly service, it is recommend to let him sent the switches directly to me. Am I right?

BTW ty for this great group buy! Really looking forward to my GH60 :)

Edit: Think I got it... I could use six 1.25x but I would need a 7.5x Spacebar which seems to be pretty rare...

No, not the way you are thinking. The spacing is off and won't work with the switch mounts on the PCB. You can use 7x 1.25u mods with a 6.25u spacebar, just like a Poker.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:37:45
Someone just pointed me at massdrop when I asked about group buy platforms. I assume you've seen it, and decided it's no good for this. Would you mind sharing your reasoning?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dsan on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:44:57
Quote
Yes, we can do that. Don't you want your name on the package if it gets delivered to your office, so they know who the package is for?

The secretary knows it's for me so it's not needed in my end,but I don't know if it's required to ship the package.I received an USPS package from EliteKeyboards without name on it,not sure how it works with other postage services.Sorry to bother you,you replied a question I made on the poker acrylic case,but since I can't speak English very well I wonder if I understood the answer correctly.Universal ANSI plate + Acrylic GH60 Poker(from acrylic case) will be ok together,right? :p Sorry again,just want to be sure :D
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:50:00
Someone just pointed me at massdrop when I asked about group buy platforms. I assume you've seen it, and decided it's no good for this. Would you mind sharing your reasoning?

I was actually approached by someone from Massdrop, and I'll tell you what I told them: I think our GB is just too complex in logistics for them to package it in any way that makes sense.


Universal ANSI plate + Acrylic GH60 Poker(from acrylic case) will be ok together,right? :p Sorry again,just want to be sure :D

Yes, just fine, as long as you remembered to order the Cherry PCB mount stabilizers. :)
Also, being international, I'm pretty sure we will have to put some name on the customs form.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dsan on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:55:25
Quote
Yes, just fine, as long as you remembered to order the Cherry PCB mount stabilizers. :)
Also, being international, I'm pretty sure we will have to put some name on the customs form.

Thank you so much :D
Do I need to update the order by myself?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: boost on Fri, 19 April 2013, 08:59:01
HOLY ****...430+ PCB's ordered.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:04:41
Thank you so much :D
Do I need to update the order by myself?

No, you did it right already.


HOLY ****...430+ PCB's ordered.

Yes, so far. 50 of those are for imsto, but still!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: GeorgeK on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:05:17
I'm having it either way but is the part assembled PCB $30 (as in the first post) or $40 (as on the order form)?  Also, seriously, b****r the DIY kit - that looks impossible!  Especially for the sake of $5 but even for $15!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:06:43
I'm having it either way but is the part assembled PCB $30 (as in the first post) or $40 (as on the order form)?  Also, seriously, b****r the DIY kit - that looks impossible!  Especially for the sake of $5 but even for $15!

It's $30.

And it's not impossible, just improbable!
Title: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: aggiejy on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:19:44
Question... I placed a switch order with 7bit for some Whites and put "GH60" on it. However, I don't want to hold up my Gh60 order if it's ready before the switches. (They aren't my only switches, so most impt to get my Gh60s first!)

So the question is: should I ask to add direct shipping to my 7bit order, or would I have the option of paying you guys additional shipping to proxy the switches later?

Thanks!
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eon on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:42:24
Does the HHKB plate still has a bottom row for 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 1 .15 ? I'm quite confused with this plate, it's tagged as "true" HHKB in the order confirmation page. Wondering if things have changed.

Thanks.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: GeorgeK on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:49:53
I'm having it either way but is the part assembled PCB $30 (as in the first post) or $40 (as on the order form)?  Also, seriously, b****r the DIY kit - that looks impossible!  Especially for the sake of $5 but even for $15!

It's $30.

And it's not impossible, just improbable!

That makes the pre-assembled option all the more appealing in my eyes - $5 to avoid all that hassle!  Even the Ergo Dox is all through hole (at least it looks that way) and that looks complicated to build...

Thanks for getting back to me

GK
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ItsBc on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:52:28
Finally signed up for the GB. Can't wait ^_^
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 09:53:53
Question... I placed a switch order with 7bit for some Whites and put "GH60" on it. However, I don't want to hold up my Gh60 order if it's ready before the switches. (They aren't my only switches, so most impt to get my Gh60s first!)

So the question is: should I ask to add direct shipping to my 7bit order, or would I have the option of paying you guys additional shipping to proxy the switches later?

Thanks!

If it were me, I would just have 7bit direct ship those switches to you. The GH60 shipping tag is more for people who need assembly.


Does the HHKB plate still has a bottom row for 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 1 .15 ? I'm quite confused with this plate, it's tagged as "true" HHKB in the order confirmation page. Wondering if things have changed.

Thanks.

Yes, that is still the layout. The other HHKB layout with the 6u spacebar is just for a few of us fools who may want that option with a case, and has nothing to do with any plates offered in this GB.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:36:11
Couple of questions pertaining to the spreadsheet (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=ae397ad5dec9dcac1cf8902258ac4def&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fgeekhack.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D41464.msg858832%23new&v=1&libid=1366385510772&out=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheet%2Fccc%3Fkey%3D0AraAg2A1x5csdGhmV2xKd2h5SmZQUFFSa3ZSZ3BjWkE%26usp%3Dsharing&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fgeekhack.org%2Findex.php%3Fboard%3D70.0&title=GH60%20Group%20Buy&txt=Order%20confirmation&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13663856770662)...
One, the row 2 is hidden in the spreadsheet, is that my order? One, who's order is row 2? Is that JCrouse, Halverson etc that don't have any orders submitted?
Two, a couple of users have had nothing in their order, ones that popped out at me were Jcrouse, Halverson, and Longweight to name a few... That seems to be a slight problem?
Three, is the form auto updating? If so, I don't see my order. (Placed by Prdlm2009, but shipping to me) EDIT: I'm a dummy. I see it now.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: GeorgeK on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:42:07
Longweight has definitely cancelled his order if it helps...
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:42:57
Couple of questions pertaining to the spreadsheet (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=ae397ad5dec9dcac1cf8902258ac4def&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fgeekhack.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D41464.msg858832%23new&v=1&libid=1366385510772&out=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheet%2Fccc%3Fkey%3D0AraAg2A1x5csdGhmV2xKd2h5SmZQUFFSa3ZSZ3BjWkE%26usp%3Dsharing&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fgeekhack.org%2Findex.php%3Fboard%3D70.0&title=GH60%20Group%20Buy&txt=Order%20confirmation&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13663856770662)...
One, the row 2 is hidden in the spreadsheet, is that my order?
Two, a couple of users have had nothing in their order, ones that popped out at me were Jcrouse, Halverson, and Longweight to name a few... That seems to be a slight problem?
Three, is the form auto updating? If so, I don't see my order. (Placed by Prldm2009, but shipping to me)

Row 2 is private. It's just order totals.
The users with nothing in their order have placed new updated orders. So I had to delete those old orders. But I don't delete rows from the spreadsheet, just in case something goes wrong. It's nothing for you to worry about. :)
I see the order. In the public spreadsheet. Maybe you are typing his username wrong? The "comments" field is also private.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: eon on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:43:07
Does the HHKB plate still has a bottom row for 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 1 .15 ? I'm quite confused with this plate, it's tagged as "true" HHKB in the order confirmation page. Wondering if things have changed.

Thanks.

Yes, that is still the layout. The other HHKB layout with the 6u spacebar is just for a few of us fools who may want that option with a case, and has nothing to do with any plates offered in this GB.

Great. Thanks a lot jdcarpe.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 19 April 2013, 10:44:49
Couple of questions pertaining to the spreadsheet (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=ae397ad5dec9dcac1cf8902258ac4def&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fgeekhack.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D41464.msg858832%23new&v=1&libid=1366385510772&out=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheet%2Fccc%3Fkey%3D0AraAg2A1x5csdGhmV2xKd2h5SmZQUFFSa3ZSZ3BjWkE%26usp%3Dsharing&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fgeekhack.org%2Findex.php%3Fboard%3D70.0&title=GH60%20Group%20Buy&txt=Order%20confirmation&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13663856770662)...
One, the row 2 is hidden in the spreadsheet, is that my order?
Two, a couple of users have had nothing in their order, ones that popped out at me were Jcrouse, Halverson, and Longweight to name a few... That seems to be a slight problem?
Three, is the form auto updating? If so, I don't see my order. (Placed by Prldm2009, but shipping to me)

Row 2 is private. It's just order totals.
The users with nothing in their order have placed new updated orders. So I had to delete those old orders. But I don't delete rows from the spreadsheet, just in case something goes wrong. It's nothing for you to worry about. :)
I see the order. In the public spreadsheet. Maybe you are typing his username wrong? The "comments" field is also private.
Gotcha, I edited my post after I realized my mistakes etc. Thank ya. BTW look at IMSTO go. 50 DIY kits. :eek:
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pix3l_fodder on Fri, 19 April 2013, 15:49:38
Sorry about this but I resubmitted my order again, bought another due to the price reducing to $30 :) I was unable to find the spacebar wire length for HHKB so added a comment. Hope i've not complicated matters.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 19 April 2013, 17:15:36
I just updated the remaining order changes that were submitted up to this point. Jdcarpe did most of them though :)

And please no more PMs for order changes. It will get buried to the next page within 2 days and I won't remember. Just fill the form. I also hid a lot of the rows in the public confirmation form. Don't worry about those, they're just duplicate orders from changes, so your name doesn't show up twice.

Elton, please just submit a new order. You changed your order 8 times, sometimes adding stuff and sometimes changing stuff. Too confusing so just submit a new order.

I have a semi-important update soon...
Title: Re: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 19 April 2013, 17:18:44
I have a semi-important update soon...

Hmmmm I was about to submit my order, but I guess I'll wait a little longer :)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: fydo on Fri, 19 April 2013, 17:21:17
Phew, finally got around to filling out my order. This is an exciting project!

I have a semi-important update soon...

The suspense! :o
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: cobraj on Fri, 19 April 2013, 23:39:43
I have a semi-important update soon...

Hmmmm I was about to submit my order, but I guess I'll wait a little longer :)

Haha.
How intriguing :P
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 19 April 2013, 23:54:09
Haha.
How intriguing :P

I originally had some very irrational ideas going through my head like a free Aluminum Case for anyone who bought a full kit!! ROFL
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 20 April 2013, 00:19:27
semi-important updates

let's hear em  :p
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 20 April 2013, 00:23:32
I'm currently rendering all the additional layouts and I'm posting them one by one as they finish. Look at the OP for now. Takes a bit of setup time for each one :/

Basically just some price updates, PCB, plates, layouts, etc.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Jmneuv on Sat, 20 April 2013, 02:43:00
Thank you.
Looks like most of the plates don't support off center spacebar (cherry); Would a wider slot weaken the support too much to allow for plate mount?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 20 April 2013, 03:00:46
Sorry I havent been keeping up with this. what switches will be avaliable? and will the plates fit the prototype?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: pix3l_fodder on Sat, 20 April 2013, 03:24:50
When I thought I had my order down, the OP changes now I think i've got the wrong plate <_<
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 20 April 2013, 04:13:12
Sorry I havent been keeping up with this. what switches will be avaliable? and will the plates fit the prototype?
Green, Grey, Blue, Red, Black, Brown, and.... I think that's it.... No White or Clear, I remember that and those Greys are tactile 80cn ones, not Dark Grey linear.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ItsBc on Sat, 20 April 2013, 06:01:05
Do we still need to order switches from the DT bot? or no.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moebius on Sat, 20 April 2013, 06:20:36
Hi.

I just registered here, and don't even own a mechanical keyboard :(

But hey, this looks like the place to be :)

Need some assistance before I order:

1. GH60 PCB (SMD Presoldered)
2. ANSI 1.5x with short R-shift and split backspace
3. 1x cherry (plate-mounted) stabilizer set
4. ??x MX blue switches
5. Assembly service

What kind of spacebar wire do I need? And how many switches should I order?

How much work should I expect to do myself (other than ordering keycaps, case and usb-wire)?

- Moebius

EDIT: Oh, and what color(switches) do you recomend? (The keyboard is for programming in emacs) :)

EDIT: Oh, and does EAA/EFTA count as EU? (In case of shipping) Or do you guys ship world wide anyway?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Sat, 20 April 2013, 07:05:20
Do we still need to order switches from the DT bot? or no.

Nope.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Sat, 20 April 2013, 07:13:22
1. GH60 PCB (SMD Presoldered)
2. ANSI 1.5x with short R-shift and split backspace
3. 1x cherry (plate-mounted) stabilizer set
4. ??x MX blue switches
5. Assembly service

What kind of spacebar wire do I need? And how many switches should I order?

7x spacebar
65 keys (61 standard ansi + split backspace + split right shift + 2 spare)

How much work should I expect to do myself (other than ordering keycaps, case and usb-wire)?
You're getting the PCB with plate and switches mounted, and a standard layout firmware installed. Just drop into the case (or whatever your case requires you to do), plop the caps on, plug the cable in, done.

EDIT: Oh, and what color(switches) do you recomend? (The keyboard is for programming in emacs) :)

There's no way anyone can tell you what switches are good for you. What you use your keyboard for doesn't really influence it as much as how you type. People say MX Blue are good for typing/coding, but that doesn't mean anything, really. It's all purely down to taste.

Grab yourself a sampler kit from WASD (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-sampler-kit.html) if you've really never laid fingers on a mechanical switch. It doesn't give you the full picture of actually typing on them, but at least you'll have an idea.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ItsBc on Sat, 20 April 2013, 08:02:42
Does this new switch supplier have different colors? I selected light grey on my order, but would prefer clears if possible.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Sat, 20 April 2013, 08:17:09
Does this new switch supplier have different colors? I selected light grey on my order, but would prefer clears if possible.

Green, Grey, Blue, Red, Black, Brown, and.... I think that's it.... No White or Clear, I remember that and those Greys are tactile 80cn ones, not Dark Grey linear.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Moebius on Sat, 20 April 2013, 08:58:22

There's no way anyone can tell you what switches are good for you. What you use your keyboard for doesn't really influence it as much as how you type. People say MX Blue are good for typing/coding, but that doesn't mean anything, really. It's all purely down to taste.

Grab yourself a sampler kit from WASD (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-sampler-kit.html) if you've really never laid fingers on a mechanical switch. It doesn't give you the full picture of actually typing on them, but at least you'll have an idea.
Thanks a lot!

Is it possible to replace the switches later on?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: mkaito on Sat, 20 April 2013, 09:08:30

There's no way anyone can tell you what switches are good for you. What you use your keyboard for doesn't really influence it as much as how you type. People say MX Blue are good for typing/coding, but that doesn't mean anything, really. It's all purely down to taste.

Grab yourself a sampler kit from WASD (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-sampler-kit.html) if you've really never laid fingers on a mechanical switch. It doesn't give you the full picture of actually typing on them, but at least you'll have an idea.
Thanks a lot!

Is it possible to replace the switches later on?

Most certainly. It requires some soldering, though. It's not hard, but pretty laborious. Still, make sure you do your homework first.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 20 April 2013, 09:21:19
FYI, if you want Clears, but don't plan on using them stock, i.e. you are planning to make ergo clears, then MX Greys will work the same for you. They have the exact same stem profile as clears, only a stiffer spring, which you wouldn't be using anyway.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: GeorgeK on Sat, 20 April 2013, 11:02:42

There's no way anyone can tell you what switches are good for you. What you use your keyboard for doesn't really influence it as much as how you type. People say MX Blue are good for typing/coding, but that doesn't mean anything, really. It's all purely down to taste.

Grab yourself a sampler kit from WASD (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-sampler-kit.html) if you've really never laid fingers on a mechanical switch. It doesn't give you the full picture of actually typing on them, but at least you'll have an idea.
Thanks a lot!

Is it possible to replace the switches later on?

Most certainly. It requires some soldering, though. It's not hard, but pretty laborious. Still, make sure you do your homework first.

These wouldn't require soldering as you should be able to just open up the switch and change the stem and spring (well apart from removing the caps lock led to open the switch housing)
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 20 April 2013, 12:20:58
I'm currently rendering all the additional layouts and I'm posting them one by one as they finish. Look at the OP for now. Takes a bit of setup time for each one :/

Basically just some price updates, PCB, plates, layouts, etc.

Could you provide the specs or files for the plate and PCB? I am working on a case in AutoCAD and it would definitely help.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Sat, 20 April 2013, 12:23:42
Great work with the front page, WFD. It looks much better and, IMO, much easier to understand which plate relates to which layout one may wish to choose.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: noxwood on Sat, 20 April 2013, 12:27:03
I'm not quite sure about the assembly: Does it include ergo clear-type modding/lubing/stickers?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: esoomenona on Sat, 20 April 2013, 12:31:19
No. Just building the board.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 20 April 2013, 12:33:45
thanks for the awesome update WFD!

you guys are doing a stellar job on this right now
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: noxwood on Sat, 20 April 2013, 12:38:58
Who would be available for that kind of assembly?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 20 April 2013, 14:22:36
Hey JD or WFD, are the people assembling these willing to lube and sticker (at extra cost) or should I line someone up to do this?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 20 April 2013, 14:54:41
Hey JD or WFD, are the people assembling these willing to lube and sticker (at extra cost) or should I line someone up to do this?

I can probably do this, and I"m sure jdcarpe is willing to do it also, but I sure komar won't lol. And there's no reason why you can't do it yourself, the plate supports removable switches. Not being able to solder is understandable because it requires equipment, but lubing and stickers doesn't only requires the lube/sticker and patience.
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 20 April 2013, 15:07:05
order DEADLINE in 3 days


PCB


Presoldered SMD - $30
DIY kit - $22
bare PCB - $6


Those are updated prices at this quantity. The bare PCB is a new option you can get. It does not come with any other components. You'll have to source all your own SMD components and solder them on for a fully functional PCB. This is offered in case you can source the components for cheaper. I attached the BOM file that details the components, you're welcome to use different types as long as they have the same specs. Mouser and Digikey prices in the US are shown, but any supplier works too.

If you're extremely tight on budget right now, then grab a bare PCB (and plate?), and everything else can be sourced later to complete your build.



Plates

I've reorganized the OP to show pics of the actual plates, and the possible layout each plate supports. Basically all 1.25x size modifier plates only supports the one layout it's intended for, and 1.5x size modifier plates supports full winkey, WKL, HHKB, and 10x spacebar. Universal plate supports all layouts, so I'm not going to do redundant renders for these.

The new universal plate for 10x spacebar supports 1.25x and 1.5x - 1x modifiers. You can also use normal 7x spacebar and 1.5x modifiers, just no 1.25x and 6.25x modifiers. This one will be made by special request only, since quantity will not be high enough for GB prices.

IvanIvanovich plate layout is canceled, there are zero orders for that plate. ISO 1.5x, ISO 1.5x pure shift, and Samwisekoi's layout have less than 10 orders. Those two ISO plates might have to be merged, and Samwisekoi's might cost more because of the quantities.

Currently, price is still $16. I can't get an exact amount because the company I'm getting these cut from is a relatively large company, and their quoting process must follow certain procedures. They need exact numbers, and they give out official documented quotes so any changes needs to be requoted and has an expiration. The size and amount of cutting required for these GH60 plate is roughly 68% of a TKL plate (~$23.36), so 68% of a TKL plate cost is projected at ~$16.

Quote
Hi ***,
 
With my apologies, we will not be able to provide any preliminary pricing.  Our Estimating Department has limited resources and that preparing quotes for budgetary estimates is not cost effective for our company.  We would prefer to quote quantities only when they’re ready for production.

 
Please submit your RFQ once you’ve finalized your quantities and anticipate placing an order.


A prototype is currently being made to make sure everything fits.



Misc
Some orders requested for costar 7x wires. I'm not sure this will be available, as WASDkeyboards is not able to provide them. Costar stabilizers are $7 per set.


If you want white switches, we might be able to get them separately from a supplier, something like this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42415.0). For clears, you can get mx greys, they have the exact same stem. I don't imagine very many will use the stock clear springs. Or if you're willing to settle for some used clears, then it can be offered.

I also added alixinhzai's acrylic case (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40468.0) to the OP.


 PS – don’t quote this whole post if you want to respond to just one point.
 
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 20 April 2013, 16:16:36
Will Teensys be sold separatly?
Title: Re: GH60 Group Buy
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 20 April 2013, 16:19:34