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Title: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 04 May 2013, 14:43:00
Update 2013-12-02:

Schematic: keyboard_tau.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjqas1r0pcss6cs/keyboard_tau.pdf)
Gerbers: qazpad_gerbers.zip (https://www.dropbox.com/s/z20kv3s9cjyx1ys/qazpad_gerbers.zip)

Update 2013-11-16:

Firmware found here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0

Update 2013-11-15

(http://i.imgur.com/ofxdrWpl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LazYSW7l.jpg)

Update 2013-11-11

(http://i.imgur.com/L5I0Pwdl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/L5I0Pwd)

Update 2013-11-10

Better description of layout (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/4092398f0a10101df221dbbb463ab3be):
(http://i.imgur.com/MBElJiml.png)

Update 2013-11-07

Reference DXF design: [attachurl=1]
(http://i.imgur.com/EPilCcPl.png)

Update 2013-11-03:

There are going to be three lighting zones: The main tenkey area, the two rows to the top and left, and a WASD-style gamer section over 8-4-5-6.
There are going to be three lighting modes: Static, breathing, and reactive.
The backlights will be dimmable in static mode.
The backlights can be turned off.

Update 2013-10-29:

Keymap application: (OBSOLETE -- new version will be posted when I have the prototype finished)

Original Post:

I've been tossing around an idea to make myself something like this.  It's a separate 10 key with some extra keys to allow it to stand alone for number crunching or gaming.

Do YOU have what it takes to design a proper case for it?  You will be paid in PCBs.

(http://i.imgur.com/l3v9khal.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/sGIDAuKl.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lPYaOl5l.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/I7PAUwnl.png)

What'cha got?
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 04 May 2013, 14:48:09
I think i have what it takes
(http://i.imgur.com/S3c4Mdy.png)
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 04 May 2013, 14:50:00
lol'd irl dubs.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 04 May 2013, 15:47:48
Did this quickly. All files can be found here : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/py9bj0z5ow459dd/4JjRfulnYP feel free to use, edit any of them.

I haven't added any kind of screw holes, places for usb. If you like the design and want me to go further then I will.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 04 May 2013, 15:49:37
Damn Photekq, that was so fast. Good job mate :D
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 04 May 2013, 15:55:38
I like it  ;D  Looks solid as a rock.  Reminds me of KMAC2 which is a good thing indeed.

So, would it tap into the top and screw in from the base?  Also I think we'd need the plate to screw to the base.

I have not thought about where the USB would go, totally spaced out on that one, heh.  I'll have to get on that.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 04 May 2013, 15:56:36
I think the manner that you described it is how Photekq's TKL case is setup as well.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 04 May 2013, 16:13:54
I like it  ;D  Looks solid as a rock.  Reminds me of KMAC2 which is a good thing indeed.

So, would it tap into the top and screw in from the base?  Also I think we'd need the plate to screw to the base.

I have not thought about where the USB would go, totally spaced out on that one, heh.  I'll have to get on that.
Yeah. It's hefty. The base is about 10mm thick. Screws would tap into the top from the base like you described, and here's the plate mounting. M3 tapped holes in the base, 3mm laser cut holes in the plate. Gaps for the screwheads will have to be added into the top but I haven't got around to it. I'll put some work into it later/tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 04 May 2013, 16:16:24
Definitely no rush at all.  Plenty of developing to do.
EDIT: looks good
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 04 May 2013, 22:40:18
Added screwholes. They go in from the base, and then near the end of the base the holes become smaller, threaded m3 holes and continue up into the top.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: regack on Sun, 05 May 2013, 13:35:05
This is really nice, Photekq.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 05 May 2013, 20:51:53
This is really nice, Photekq.
Thanks man, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: bearcat on Sun, 05 May 2013, 23:49:36
Love it!  How do i make one?  How do the sides attach to each other?  How does the bottom attach to the sides?  Are they all one piece?  What are you designing it to be built out of?

Looks very neat & I'd love to make one :D  Let me know!

-a
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 06 May 2013, 07:18:29
Damn, Photekq, you already seduced me with your TKL, now this?
Not fair!
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: inteli722 on Mon, 06 May 2013, 08:14:30
I wish I could do some 3D stuff, because I've expressed interested in IRC :))

Seriously. This looks great, and I hope this goes to market!
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 06 May 2013, 09:41:33
We're coming along pretty good.   :)  I'm slowly working on the layout and whatnot.  I'm thinking it should be full LED, yes/no?

Photekq, I have some suggestions about the basic concepts.

I really think the case should support the entire back of the PCB.  I am a big fan of adding a pad behind the PCB which would be impossible with your design.  It really helps to absorb vibration, because there are no supports from standoffs in the middle of the matrix.  Again, take the KMAC as an example, it's how they do it.

Check out this crude drawing to illustrate what I mean.

[attachimg=1]

Note the screws are perpendicular to the top face, not the bottom face.  Wouldn't that be a more appropriate attachment for the two halves?
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 06 May 2013, 12:21:59
We're coming along pretty good.   :)  I'm slowly working on the layout and whatnot.  I'm thinking it should be full LED, yes/no?

Photekq, I have some suggestions about the basic concepts.

I really think the case should support the entire back of the PCB.  I am a big fan of adding a pad behind the PCB which would be impossible with your design.  It really helps to absorb vibration, because there are no supports from standoffs in the middle of the matrix.  Again, take the KMAC as an example, it's how they do it.

Check out this crude drawing to illustrate what I mean.

(Attachment Link)

Note the screws are perpendicular to the top face, not the bottom face.  Wouldn't that be a more appropriate attachment for the two halves?

I see what you mean. So you want the hole in the bottom half to be shallow and to be angled so that the pcb is parallel to the base and can come in contact with padding. Is the picture attached ok?

How deep should the hole be from the surface of the plate? According the Cherry's specsheet it's about 8.5mm between the surface of the plate and the bottom of the switch pins.. How much extra do you want to allow for padding? 10mm deep sounds good to me.

Also, I think the screwholes should stay vertical. If they were at an angle they would take up more horizontal room. This would mean you'd have to make the front an back faces thicker which, imo, makes the case look worse. It's up to you though. Having them at an angle wouldn't stop it from functioning.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 06 May 2013, 13:26:56
I can get you exact measurements.  Hey what should we use for incline angle?  Is there a standard for that?
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 06 May 2013, 13:56:57
I can get you exact measurements.  Hey what should we use for incline angle?  Is there a standard for that?
I don't think there's really a standard.. Filco is about 5.5 degrees without the feet up. I have it as 6 degrees on this case and on my tkl case.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:14:59
Interesting.  I wonder what the Cherry boards are.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:29:57

Also, I think the screwholes should stay vertical. If they were at an angle they would take up more horizontal room. This would mean you'd have to make the front an back faces thicker which, imo, makes the case look worse.

I'm confused by this statement.  By my understanding, the opposite would be true.  By having the screw holes not be parallel to the exterior walls, they need more material to live in.  The 'vertical' screw holes come very close to the cavity.  We may need an(other) engineer to weigh in.  The front face and the guts (keys, pcb) are oriented together, so I like to think of that as the 'flat' side.

Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 06 May 2013, 14:42:45
What I'm saying is that they take up more space horizontally. See the diagram I've attached.

The problem is that in order to make the angled holes work you'd need to make either the front or side walls of the case thicker.

I may be wrong, but this is the way I see it. Maybe CPTBadAss would be able to help.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: bearcat on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:26:54
[quote
What I'm saying is that they take up more space horizontally.

Yeah, that was kind of what i was getting at; the devil is in the details.  Or in this case, the corners.

How will the sides attach to each other & how does the bottom attach to the sides?
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:30:18
Sorry - was meaning to answer your questions bearcat

Love it!  How do i make one?  How do the sides attach to each other?  How does the bottom attach to the sides?  Are they all one piece?  What are you designing it to be built out of?

Looks very neat & I'd love to make one :D  Let me know!

-a

How do I make one? - Design one in a CAD program and then pay to get it CNC machined.
How do the sides attach to each other?  How does the bottom attach to the sides?  Are they all one piece? - They don't, they don't and yes. There are three parts. The base, the plate and the top. Each are machined out of a solid block of material. The plate screws onto the base, and the top screws onto the base. The PCB is attached to the plate.
What are you designing it to be built out of? - It's up to metalliqaz. I'm guessing he'll pick aluminium.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: bearcat on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:54:09
Thanks.  I have a CNC mill, thank you, and I've been working on breaking your model into g-code.

FYI, a workpiece is greatly simplified if you don't have to work both faces -- i.e., the screwholes on the bottom.  IIUC, the base has a smooth slope upwards; non 90* angles require additional finishing because of how CNC machines have to cut sloping surfaces.  Additionally, cutting holes for USB in the side will require remounting the piece sideways -- or the shop having a 5-axis mill, which ain't cheap.

It seems like it might cost rather a lot this way.  I'll be curious to hear what kind of quotes metalliqaz gets.
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Grim Fandango on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:56:55
I think i have what it takes
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/S3c4Mdy.png)


Almost spat out my tea when I saw this
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 06 May 2013, 18:19:12
What I'm saying is that they take up more space horizontally. See the diagram I've attached.

The problem is that in order to make the angled holes work you'd need to make either the front or side walls of the case thicker.

I may be wrong, but this is the way I see it. Maybe CPTBadAss would be able to help.

The problem is more like bearcat said. You have to have tooling to hold the parts in and moving/rotating/swapping parts is going to be an issue. I would keep the holes inclined because otherwise, the screws won't sit flush if we're bolting from the top down (from the top, into the plate, into the base).
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 07 May 2013, 10:00:10
I think i have what it takes
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/S3c4Mdy.png)


Almost spat out my tea when I saw this

Paint skills off the charts

Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sun, 22 September 2013, 09:07:49
Word of advice:
Frame mounted plates at this form factor often cause resonance resulting in the "PING!" issue...
Adding a additional hole (or two) in the center for mounting the plate to the bottom part should help with this!
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 22 September 2013, 10:21:58
Word of advice:
Frame mounted plates at this form factor often cause resonance resulting in the "PING!" issue...
Adding a additional hole (or two) in the center for mounting the plate to the bottom part should help with this!

Thanks I will do that. I am thinking I'll go with a cheaper layered acrylic thing just to have something to try. I'll put a standoff in the middle
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: kuschl0n on Sun, 22 September 2013, 10:32:35
I like your design, metalliqaz. It might also be useful for a programmer who often has to do with hex numbers. Although, for this purpose an 'x' key might me useful. :P
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 22 September 2013, 11:55:08
Yeah, still needs some tweaking :) I already turned the 2x backspace into 2 1x
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: inteli722 on Sun, 22 September 2013, 20:15:18
Still want this...a lot...


Looks great.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 22 September 2013, 20:17:59
Me too.  It sticks in my mind.  I'm going back to the design phase, though, to make it full-LED.

-d
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 22 September 2013, 20:39:13
Interesting project, something along the lines of the GHPad TFR and I are working on! I like how you have those four cluster. Interesting, very interesting.

I am interested, I can make the acrylic layered case and get it made as well :D
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: inteli722 on Mon, 23 September 2013, 19:49:13
full-LED.


(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130703032237/nerf/images/5/5e/145861-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 26 September 2013, 08:44:26
Got a first draft of the thing with full LED support.  Looks like it will come together just fine.

[attachimg=1]

I've designed it with two indicator LEDs and three backlight zones.  I think it gives plenty of utility as well as bling-factor.

[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 26 September 2013, 08:54:08
Dat QazPad. It's looking great man!
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 26 September 2013, 14:14:00
Got a first draft of the thing with full LED support.  Looks like it will come together just fine.

(Attachment Link)

I've designed it with two indicator LEDs and three backlight zones.  I think it gives plenty of utility as well as bling-factor.

(Attachment Link)

Amazing. Remember my PM ;)
Title: Re: Wanted: Nice case design to house a custom 10key+
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:50:41
Okay so after all this time I still want one of these.  I'm going get it fabbed.  Before I do, I am offering to let anyone buy a prototype who wants one.  This will help absorb the tooling cost.

Full disclosure: if you go for it, you are taking a risk.  This is prototype.  If there is a fatal design flaw I will only be able to manage a partial refund.  This isn't my first time out, though.

Voice interest here and I will try to come up with cost.  I'm going to make two for myself, no matter what.

I'm sure there's someone around here who could whip up a case for it.

It is a 31 key pad with full backlighting and can use Cherry MX plate mount or PCB mount switches/stabilizers.  I will provide software but it could also use TMK if you wish.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:20:15
Okay so after all this time I still want one of these.  I'm going get it fabbed.  Before I do, I am offering to let anyone buy a prototype who wants one.  This will help absorb the tooling cost.

Full disclosure: if you go for it, you are taking a risk.  This is prototype.  If there is a fatal design flaw I will only be able to manage a partial refund.  This isn't my first time out, though.

Voice interest here and I will try to come up with cost.  I'm going to make two for myself, no matter what.

I'm sure there's someone around here who could whip up a case for it.

It is a 31 key pad with full backlighting and can use Cherry MX plate mount or PCB mount switches/stabilizers.  I will provide software but it could also use TMK if you wish.

Looks great, but I'm already committed to another prototype gamepad thing... that said... PM incoming...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: bearcat on Fri, 25 October 2013, 16:17:40
I'd be in.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 October 2013, 16:32:08
I'm in for a prototype. Please make this from machined aluminum.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 25 October 2013, 16:37:20
I'm in for a prototype. Please make this from machined aluminum.

Perhaps Photekq could make that happen... I really don't have the resources.  I'll post the DXF
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 25 October 2013, 22:09:45
I'd be in for proto and can make the case if you decide on acrylic.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 25 October 2013, 23:02:46
Can you give a frame of reference for cost?

Will it be programmable?  I'd want media and macro keys in a small form factor.

I'd be interested in a PCB/controller, possibly a plate... but I know those aluminum cases seem to turn thirty-dollar PCB based projects into excursions costing slightly less than a new Ford Fiesta.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 26 October 2013, 07:46:45
It is fully programmable with a keymapping tool.  Media keys, mouse keys, macros and ten layers.

My intention was to only make the PCB and let anyone make their own plate/case.

PCBs will be 10 bucks or less, but all the components will bump it up perhaps another 10.

Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Sat, 26 October 2013, 07:56:38
I'd be in for a PCB Prototype. Can't afford much of a case, though  :p

As I've said from the first time I saw this in IRC, I think this is a really cool idea. It's a gamepad a la Orbweaver, and it's a functional numpad, too!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 26 October 2013, 15:20:16
$10 PCB?  I'd definitely be in for one or two.  It would make for a fun little project and it would be fun to fab a case for it.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 26 October 2013, 15:24:27
Okay so before I finalize this board, what is the best placement of the LED for the 2x vertical keys?

Looks like the Ducky Shine puts the LEDs on the left.  That's what I did in the current design.  Any other opinions?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 26 October 2013, 15:58:43
Would totally buy one of these
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Sat, 26 October 2013, 16:12:49
By the way, am I going to have to purchase diodes, LEDs, a controller of some sort, etc?

Switches and case are given, and based on the price, I'd assume I'd have to buy everything. However, with that MX Clear deal on Mechanicalkeyboards.com, switches shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 26 October 2013, 20:12:02
They will have all the SMD done.  Just need to add switches, LEDs, and stabs.  If you want I can provide LEDs since I'm going to be making a big Digikey order anyway.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 26 October 2013, 20:23:12
Okay, I'd take one, possibly two, knowing I'd wreck the first one somehow.

/afk to desolder old Rosewill board for blue switches.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Sat, 26 October 2013, 20:50:49
They will have all the SMD done.  Just need to add switches, LEDs, and stabs.  If you want I can provide LEDs since I'm going to be making a big Digikey order anyway.

Thank god the SMD'll be done.

Really, my only concern with LEDs is the resistance required, since I'm no electrical engineer. I can probably do LEDs myself, though.

I might as well chalk myself up for 2, for the same reasons as Hak Foo.

/afk to scrounge for $20
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 27 October 2013, 14:45:07
Okay so before I finalize this board, what is the best placement of the LED for the 2x vertical keys?

Looks like the Ducky Shine puts the LEDs on the left.  That's what I did in the current design.  Any other opinions?

Here are better examples...

Option A, LEDs are sideways.  This follows KPAD, Deck Legend, Ducky Shine, and GHpad
[attachimg=1]

Option B, LEDs are always down.  This follows a korean pad and CODE keyboard.
[attachimg=2]

Right now I'm going to go with A, except I think I'm going to change that one LED on the right to be on the left like the rest of them.  Welcoming input.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Sun, 27 October 2013, 15:04:48
Really, because of the way the keycaps would be designed, I think it makes more sense to have option A, considering the keypad stems are likely to be designed for sideways switches.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 27 October 2013, 17:10:24
Okay looks like estimate for the parts was fairly close.  For a low run like this, cost would be about $22 per PCB.  That includes free soldering by me and with me paying almost all of the tooling cost.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Sun, 27 October 2013, 17:41:36
Okay looks like estimate for the parts was fairly close.  For a low run like this, cost would be about $22 per PCB.  That includes free soldering by me and with me paying almost all of the tooling cost.

$22 for just the PCB and your soldering the SMD?

I'll still do at least one, hopefully 2 if I can find the money.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 27 October 2013, 18:05:54
Okay looks like estimate for the parts was fairly close.  For a low run like this, cost would be about $22 per PCB.  That includes free soldering by me and with me paying almost all of the tooling cost.

$22 for just the PCB and your soldering the SMD?

I'll still do at least one, hopefully 2 if I can find the money.

Yeah.  That's locking the bare PCB at $10.  The ATmega chip is $6.04 from digikey by itself.  The diodes are 2 bucks a board, and the USB connectors a buck.  The rest of the diodes, resistors, capacitors, and transistors add up to a few more bucks.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: AKmalamute on Mon, 28 October 2013, 00:06:28
Just round up to $25 or something. Round numbers are easier to remember good craftsmanship is worth money anyway. Actually from the sounds of it, $30 wouldn't be out of bounds. Would still be interested though unfortunately not for a few months. Hafta catch up from arranging to start on a 60% ... which will, of course, need a ten-key to compliment it :)

EDIT: now, wait a sec. I've got a 32u4 being shipped to me that's on a leonardo breakout board (2 holes few, possibly a few more, than a teensy 2 has) that I bought from some ebay store for $5.82 shipped. Why would the chip that does the work be more expensive than a breakout board that happens to use said chip?
signed, confused forumite
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 28 October 2013, 00:15:07
Still, for $30 for everything except the switches, I would totally buy this.

Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 00:37:45
If you are using parts similar to the GHPad: http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=post;quote=1049952;topic=38963.300;last_msg=1092746
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 28 October 2013, 06:48:40
Math helps :P

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/CbHI4ru.png)


25 sets + 375 extra diodes yet $8 less

So since each set has 25 diodes, 25 sets have 625 diodes, costing $21.24.

Thus total for 25 sets including $5.23 shipping is: $183.48

Hence each set is ~$7.5.

We have 25 sets, 1 for everyone (Total 8 ) except me (4) and jdcarpe (11), that means we have 2 sets extra, raccoon you can keep them as I know you will be working on more customs, or if someone wants to buy, they can do that, since you are ordering raccoon, that is up to you, and if someone wants more, we can increase the order and maybe hit new tiers.

Also, update on the switched. I will be packaging them as 25 switches, just in case any comes out faulty or is damaged in transit. This pack would be for $9.

Costs thus far:
$6 - PCB
$13 - case
$7.5 - parts
$5 - shipping
$9 - switches
Resistors and LEDs extra.

Many similar parts.  However, not entirely the same.  I will order enough ATmegas to get to the price break and save a few bucks.  The main problem is that I'm only going to be ordering a few of these.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 28 October 2013, 06:58:02
Okay it's looking like this.  I'm going to order in a few days.  Then it will be a few weeks to get the boards in from China.
metalliqaz - 2
bearcat - 1
jdcarpe - 1
MOZ - 1
HakFoo - 1
inteli722 - 1
nubbinator - 1
Pacifist - 1
TheFlyingRacoon - 1
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:29:34
I'm definitely in.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:16:10
As am I, definitely in for 2.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:28:24
Okay it's looking like this.  I'm going to order in a few days.  Then it will be a few weeks to get the boards in from China.
metalliqaz - 2
bearcat - 1
jdcarpe - 1
MOZ - 1
HakFoo - 1
inteli722 - 1
nubbinator - 1
Pacifist - 1

F*ck Yes, dam this is sweet, and the perfect alternative to the razer orbweaver
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:29:29
Okay it's looking like this.  I'm going to order in a few days.  Then it will be a few weeks to get the boards in from China.
metalliqaz - 2
bearcat - 1
jdcarpe - 1
MOZ - 1
HakFoo - 1
inteli722 - 1
nubbinator - 1
Pacifist - 1

F*ck Yes, dam this is sweet, and the perfect alternative to the razer orbweaver


Indeed it is. It is also what I would consider the perfect Numberpad.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 29 October 2013, 18:06:55
So this is my first time making a board, and the first time having one in beta.

What extra do I need to do to make this board? I'm going to assume switches and a soldering kit at the very least. Are you supplying LEDs or no? Is there anything else I need to make it?

Also, If this is successful, then for other versions, will there be changes to the design or no?

This is really promising, and fits my needs so much :) But because its my first DIY board, I don't want to screw up
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 29 October 2013, 18:37:15
So this is my first time making a board, and the first time having one in beta.

What extra do I need to do to make this board? I'm going to assume switches and a soldering kit at the very least. Are you supplying LEDs or no? Is there anything else I need to make it?

Also, If this is successful, then for other versions, will there be changes to the design or no?

This is really promising, and fits my needs so much :) But because its my first DIY board, I don't want to screw up


Switches, LEDs, caps, and a case (and yes, Soldering iron and solder)


Technically, LEDs AREN'T required...


Considering the outcome of Epsilon (his first project), this seems like it'll be a one-time thing.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 29 October 2013, 19:11:40
So this is my first time making a board, and the first time having one in beta.

What extra do I need to do to make this board? I'm going to assume switches and a soldering kit at the very least. Are you supplying LEDs or no? Is there anything else I need to make it?

Also, If this is successful, then for other versions, will there be changes to the design or no?

This is really promising, and fits my needs so much :) But because its my first DIY board, I don't want to screw up

You need switches, stabilizers, LEDs, and keycaps.  You need to do a bunch of through-hole soldering.  Also you need a case.  Don't forget about that.

If you want me to order you some LEDs, tell me now, because I can order it with the rest of the parts.

If it works correctly, this will be the last order.  I don't have the energy for a real GB and honestly I think most people would rather get a GHpad.  If enough people wanted, though, I would give someone the designs and let them do a buy.

Don't worry about screwing up.  These are replaceable.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 29 October 2013, 19:21:01
So this is my first time making a board, and the first time having one in beta.

What extra do I need to do to make this board? I'm going to assume switches and a soldering kit at the very least. Are you supplying LEDs or no? Is there anything else I need to make it?

Also, If this is successful, then for other versions, will there be changes to the design or no?

This is really promising, and fits my needs so much :) But because its my first DIY board, I don't want to screw up

You need switches, stabilizers, LEDs, and keycaps.  You need to do a bunch of through-hole soldering.  Also you need a case.  Don't forget about that.

If you want me to order you some LEDs, tell me now, because I can order it with the rest of the parts.

If it works correctly, this will be the last order.  I don't have the energy for a real GB and honestly I think most people would rather get a GHpad.  If enough people wanted, though, I would give someone the designs and let them do a buy.

Don't worry about screwing up.  These are replaceable.

Cool, will send you a PM.Need to buy some more novelty caps from you too.

Where do I get the case? Are you making them or someone else?

Also, is this PCB or plate mounted? If its plate mounted, did you design the PCB to have PCB mounted holes and having the plate more open so we can use PCB mounted switches and change around the switches without desoldering?

Thanks, this is a much needed addition to my mech collection!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 29 October 2013, 19:40:09
So this is my first time making a board, and the first time having one in beta.

What extra do I need to do to make this board? I'm going to assume switches and a soldering kit at the very least. Are you supplying LEDs or no? Is there anything else I need to make it?

Also, If this is successful, then for other versions, will there be changes to the design or no?

This is really promising, and fits my needs so much :) But because its my first DIY board, I don't want to screw up

You need switches, stabilizers, LEDs, and keycaps.  You need to do a bunch of through-hole soldering.  Also you need a case.  Don't forget about that.

If you want me to order you some LEDs, tell me now, because I can order it with the rest of the parts.

If it works correctly, this will be the last order.  I don't have the energy for a real GB and honestly I think most people would rather get a GHpad.  If enough people wanted, though, I would give someone the designs and let them do a buy.

Don't worry about screwing up.  These are replaceable.

Cool, will send you a PM.Need to buy some more novelty caps from you too.

Where do I get the case? Are you making them or someone else?

Also, is this PCB or plate mounted? If its plate mounted, did you design the PCB to have PCB mounted holes and having the plate more open so we can use PCB mounted switches and change around the switches without desoldering?

Thanks, this is a much needed addition to my mech collection!

AFAIK MOZ has a case design for this, and he told me it'd be about $20/case.

metalliqaz explains it best:
It is a 31 key pad with full backlighting and can use Cherry MX plate mount or PCB mount switches/stabilizers.  I will provide software but it could also use TMK if you wish.

Really, the openess of the plate is up to the designer. I wonder how much Photekq's case would be...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 29 October 2013, 19:58:45
So this is my first time making a board, and the first time having one in beta.

What extra do I need to do to make this board? I'm going to assume switches and a soldering kit at the very least. Are you supplying LEDs or no? Is there anything else I need to make it?

Also, If this is successful, then for other versions, will there be changes to the design or no?

This is really promising, and fits my needs so much :) But because its my first DIY board, I don't want to screw up

You need switches, stabilizers, LEDs, and keycaps.  You need to do a bunch of through-hole soldering.  Also you need a case.  Don't forget about that.

If you want me to order you some LEDs, tell me now, because I can order it with the rest of the parts.

If it works correctly, this will be the last order.  I don't have the energy for a real GB and honestly I think most people would rather get a GHpad.  If enough people wanted, though, I would give someone the designs and let them do a buy.

Don't worry about screwing up.  These are replaceable.

Cool, will send you a PM.Need to buy some more novelty caps from you too.

Where do I get the case? Are you making them or someone else?

Also, is this PCB or plate mounted? If its plate mounted, did you design the PCB to have PCB mounted holes and having the plate more open so we can use PCB mounted switches and change around the switches without desoldering?

Thanks, this is a much needed addition to my mech collection!

AFAIK MOZ has a case design for this, and he told me it'd be about $20/case.

metalliqaz explains it best:
It is a 31 key pad with full backlighting and can use Cherry MX plate mount or PCB mount switches/stabilizers.  I will provide software but it could also use TMK if you wish.

Really, the openess of the plate is up to the designer. I wonder how much Photekq's case would be...

Ah I see. Thanks. Probally will go caseless to start, and then get a proper case once I get everything I need.

There are 31 switches, and I want to try out clears. But to get the best price I would need to buy a 100 pack, leaving 69 switches unused  :confused:
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 29 October 2013, 20:05:20
So this is my first time making a board, and the first time having one in beta.

What extra do I need to do to make this board? I'm going to assume switches and a soldering kit at the very least. Are you supplying LEDs or no? Is there anything else I need to make it?

Also, If this is successful, then for other versions, will there be changes to the design or no?

This is really promising, and fits my needs so much :) But because its my first DIY board, I don't want to screw up

You need switches, stabilizers, LEDs, and keycaps.  You need to do a bunch of through-hole soldering.  Also you need a case.  Don't forget about that.

If you want me to order you some LEDs, tell me now, because I can order it with the rest of the parts.

If it works correctly, this will be the last order.  I don't have the energy for a real GB and honestly I think most people would rather get a GHpad.  If enough people wanted, though, I would give someone the designs and let them do a buy.

Don't worry about screwing up.  These are replaceable.

Cool, will send you a PM.Need to buy some more novelty caps from you too.

Where do I get the case? Are you making them or someone else?

Also, is this PCB or plate mounted? If its plate mounted, did you design the PCB to have PCB mounted holes and having the plate more open so we can use PCB mounted switches and change around the switches without desoldering?

Thanks, this is a much needed addition to my mech collection!

AFAIK MOZ has a case design for this, and he told me it'd be about $20/case.

metalliqaz explains it best:
It is a 31 key pad with full backlighting and can use Cherry MX plate mount or PCB mount switches/stabilizers.  I will provide software but it could also use TMK if you wish.

Really, the openess of the plate is up to the designer. I wonder how much Photekq's case would be...

Ah I see. Thanks. Probally will go caseless to start, and then get a proper case once I get everything I need.

There are 31 switches, and I want to try out clears. But to get the best price I would need to buy a 100 pack, leaving 69 switches unused  ???

I would be happy to buy those extras off you at a later date when I assemble mine. In fact, with my getting 2, that's nearly perfect.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 29 October 2013, 20:07:18
So this is my first time making a board, and the first time having one in beta.

What extra do I need to do to make this board? I'm going to assume switches and a soldering kit at the very least. Are you supplying LEDs or no? Is there anything else I need to make it?

Also, If this is successful, then for other versions, will there be changes to the design or no?

This is really promising, and fits my needs so much :) But because its my first DIY board, I don't want to screw up

You need switches, stabilizers, LEDs, and keycaps.  You need to do a bunch of through-hole soldering.  Also you need a case.  Don't forget about that.

If you want me to order you some LEDs, tell me now, because I can order it with the rest of the parts.

If it works correctly, this will be the last order.  I don't have the energy for a real GB and honestly I think most people would rather get a GHpad.  If enough people wanted, though, I would give someone the designs and let them do a buy.

Don't worry about screwing up.  These are replaceable.

Cool, will send you a PM.Need to buy some more novelty caps from you too.

Where do I get the case? Are you making them or someone else?

Also, is this PCB or plate mounted? If its plate mounted, did you design the PCB to have PCB mounted holes and having the plate more open so we can use PCB mounted switches and change around the switches without desoldering?

Thanks, this is a much needed addition to my mech collection!

AFAIK MOZ has a case design for this, and he told me it'd be about $20/case.

metalliqaz explains it best:
It is a 31 key pad with full backlighting and can use Cherry MX plate mount or PCB mount switches/stabilizers.  I will provide software but it could also use TMK if you wish.

Really, the openess of the plate is up to the designer. I wonder how much Photekq's case would be...

Ah I see. Thanks. Probally will go caseless to start, and then get a proper case once I get everything I need.

There are 31 switches, and I want to try out clears. But to get the best price I would need to buy a 100 pack, leaving 69 switches unused  ???

I would be happy to buy those extras off you at a later date when I assemble mine. In fact, with my getting 2, that's nearly perfect.

On second thought, I'll probally save them for later projects. But then again, by the time I do that, I'll need more switches.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 29 October 2013, 20:51:07
I'm sure MOZ will whip himself up a nice acrylic job.  He may share.  I am creating something for myself that I will share, but it is aluminum and will be expensive in small quantities.  When it's assembled I'll post photos. 
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 29 October 2013, 22:55:24
I'm sure MOZ will whip himself up a nice acrylic job.  He may share.  I am creating something for myself that I will share, but it is aluminum and will be expensive in small quantities.  When it's assembled I'll post photos.

OOOOO aluminum! About how much for one?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 29 October 2013, 23:02:03
Not done.  Weeks to go yet.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 29 October 2013, 23:12:57
Awesome to see this happening. I had totally forgotten about it. Could you share your plans for the aluminium housing? :thumb:
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 29 October 2013, 23:20:05
I will design an acrylic case for myself. However if the run for this happens anytime in the next couple of months, I might not be able to supply the case.

I can however at the least share the drawings for the case I design.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 29 October 2013, 23:23:23
Hey qaz, can you PM me or post the PCB/layout that can be used to accurately design a case for this.

Moz out.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 29 October 2013, 23:24:43
Awesome to see this happening. I had totally forgotten about it. Could you share your plans for the aluminium housing? :thumb:

Not done yet.   More like aluminum plates than a housing.  Think what I did for the Epsilon.  I'm trying to control costs.  It's going to cost me something like $500 to make this dream a reality.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 29 October 2013, 23:25:15
I will design an acrylic case for myself. However if the run for this happens anytime in the next couple of months, I might not be able to supply the case.

I can however at the least share the drawings for the case I design.

If you share to scale designs, I should be able to do it at cost locally.  I have a laser cutting place near me that's $30 an hour, $55 for two hours, or $95-140 for a month long membership (depending if I can still get a student membership or have to pay full price) and I know I could look around and find some acrylic at decent prices.  I should also be able to do wood top and bottom pieces if people wanted that.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 29 October 2013, 23:37:43
[attachurl=1]

The "Hardware" layer shows the PCB.  Layer 0 shows the switch cutouts.  I'm too lazy right now to replace the cherry cutouts with the Phantom cutouts, which I'm sure everyone would prefer.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 October 2013, 08:51:45
PCB has passed DRC.  Should ship (to me) within 10 days.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 30 October 2013, 08:59:14
Exact location of the USB connector? And what USB connector?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 October 2013, 09:32:55
Exact location of the USB connector? And what USB connector?

Yeah that is a quick a dirty draft.  I'll try to make a better one.  The USB connector is DigiKey P/N WM5461CT-ND
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 30 October 2013, 15:07:06
I will design an acrylic case for myself. However if the run for this happens anytime in the next couple of months, I might not be able to supply the case.

I can however at the least share the drawings for the case I design.

If you share to scale designs, I should be able to do it at cost locally.  I have a laser cutting place near me that's $30 an hour, $55 for two hours, or $95-140 for a month long membership (depending if I can still get a student membership or have to pay full price) and I know I could look around and find some acrylic at decent prices.  I should also be able to do wood top and bottom pieces if people wanted that.

I'd like wood if I can't get alum
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 30 October 2013, 15:13:46
If you share to scale designs, I should be able to do it at cost locally.  I have a laser cutting place near me that's $30 an hour, $55 for two hours, or $95-140 for a month long membership (depending if I can still get a student membership or have to pay full price) and I know I could look around and find some acrylic at decent prices.  I should also be able to do wood top and bottom pieces if people wanted that.

I'd like wood if I can't get alum

For wood, I can either buy sheets of exotics and domestics (limited options) that are about 1/4" thick or I can buy boards and rip them into thinner pieces. Depending on wall thickness, you may only want wood tops and bottoms and a clear acrylic center pieces.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 30 October 2013, 19:57:43
How much would a wood case for this cost? I wouldn't assume it'd be absurdly expensive, considering that it's wood, and we chop down trees like maniacs.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 30 October 2013, 20:10:48
How much would a wood case for this cost? I wouldn't assume it'd be absurdly expensive, considering that it's wood, and we chop down trees like maniacs.

The wood we chop down is pretty bad quality wood and probably not used in desks and cases etc
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 30 October 2013, 20:21:03
How much would a wood case for this cost? I wouldn't assume it'd be absurdly expensive, considering that it's wood, and we chop down trees like maniacs.

The wood we chop down is pretty bad quality wood and probably not used in desks and cases etc

It was more meant as a species than a country, state, city, family, etc.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 30 October 2013, 20:38:29
How much would a wood case for this cost? I wouldn't assume it'd be absurdly expensive, considering that it's wood, and we chop down trees like maniacs.

It would depend on how many people would want laser cutting done by me, the species of wood, and how cheaply I can find acrylic.  I'd be donating my time, so it would only be materials cost and time on the laser cost.  It could be as cheap as $20 or $30 and it could be a bit more.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 30 October 2013, 20:46:22
How much would a wood case for this cost? I wouldn't assume it'd be absurdly expensive, considering that it's wood, and we chop down trees like maniacs.

It would depend on how many people would want laser cutting done by me, the species of wood, and how cheaply I can find acrylic.  I'd be donating my time, so it would only be materials cost and time on the laser cost.  It could be as cheap as $20 or $30 and it could be a bit more.

If its $20-$30, I'll probally get one.

But I can always go caseless at first right? Also do you think its possible to make a case out of Legos?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 October 2013, 20:49:26
I suggest you have a plan for a case before you build it.  If you solder everything on PCB-mount and you end up wanting a case that is plate mount, you will be stuck.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 30 October 2013, 20:54:33
I suggest you have a plan for a case before you build it.  If you solder everything on PCB-mount and you end up wanting a case that is plate mount, you will be stuck.

So for plate mounted cases I would need to have it on hand before I build it? Ugh, wood or acrylic
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:35:01
I suggest you have a plan for a case before you build it.  If you solder everything on PCB-mount and you end up wanting a case that is plate mount, you will be stuck.

So for plate mounted cases I would need to have it on hand before I build it? Ugh, wood or acrylic

Yes, the switches go into the plate, then are soldered to the PCB.  So the plate is trapped and can't be taken out or added without soldering. 

I don't think I've ever seen a wood plate... I'd like to see one, that would be interesting... but I can think of a bunch of reasons why a wood plate wouldn't (<-- no pun intended) work very well.   Probably why I haven't seen any (Not that I've been around to see everything).

You could always get JUST a plate made, then figure out the case later; You'll just have to keep in mind the various ways your plate might be attached (or not) to the case, and build the various options into the plate design.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:36:07
What about those cases where there is extra room so you can take off switch covers without desoldering?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:38:06
What about those cases where there is extra room so you can take off switch covers without desoldering?

Those plates have little notches where the 4 prongs that hold the switch together can slide out of the plate without de-soldering the switch-base.  The plate is still trapped between the switch-base and the PCB.

Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:38:11
What about those cases where there is extra room so you can take off switch covers without desoldering?

You can't get around it.  You need the plate when you put it together.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:40:45
Ah I see. So for those not making cases, who are you getting yours from?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:41:50
Ah I see. So for those not making cases, who are you getting yours from?


I'll probably be tapping MOZ or Nubbinator. I'd love to get Photekq's case, but it's going to be way too expensive.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 31 October 2013, 21:01:57
I've decided to try something like this.  The idea is to have it resemble a platform supported by four big posts with big old rubber feet on each corner.
Just sent it out for fabrication.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 31 October 2013, 22:36:33
Interesting.  You don't see that many concave designs... it has a pleasing Space Age charm to it
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Fri, 01 November 2013, 06:16:23
I've decided to try something like this.  The idea is to have it resemble a platform supported by four big posts with big old rubber feet on each corner.
Just sent it out for fabrication.

(Attachment Link)

This is going to be amazing!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 01 November 2013, 07:51:12
Interesting.  You don't see that many concave designs... it has a pleasing Space Age charm to it

I wanted to go with something different.  Wasn't really going for "space age" but I can see that.
My inspiration was those glass bathroom scales
[attach=1]

However I couldn't really make the 4 posts nice and big without making the thing unwieldy, so I brought in the sides to thin out the look and accentuate the corners.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 01 November 2013, 08:03:02
Interesting.  You don't see that many concave designs... it has a pleasing Space Age charm to it

I wanted to go with something different.  Wasn't really going for "space age" but I can see that.
My inspiration was those glass bathroom scales
(Attachment Link)

However I couldn't really make the 4 posts nice and big without making the thing unwieldy, so I brought in the sides to thin out the look and accentuate the corners.

We can try something like this, clear acrylic with large metallic feet.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 01 November 2013, 15:36:42
Interesting.  You don't see that many concave designs... it has a pleasing Space Age charm to it

I wanted to go with something different.  Wasn't really going for "space age" but I can see that.
My inspiration was those glass bathroom scales
(Attachment Link)

However I couldn't really make the 4 posts nice and big without making the thing unwieldy, so I brought in the sides to thin out the look and accentuate the corners.

We can try something like this, clear acrylic with large metallic feet.

Keep the bezels small, and you can take my money.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 01 November 2013, 15:49:24
Same, looks dam nice
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 03 November 2013, 12:56:20
Interesting.  You don't see that many concave designs... it has a pleasing Space Age charm to it

I wanted to go with something different.  Wasn't really going for "space age" but I can see that.
My inspiration was those glass bathroom scales
(Attachment Link)

However I couldn't really make the 4 posts nice and big without making the thing unwieldy, so I brought in the sides to thin out the look and accentuate the corners.

I love the design. About how much will it cost?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 03 November 2013, 13:40:52
I love the design. About how much will it cost?

Hard to say.  Final designs could vary widely in materials or style.  Just making one is very expensive.  Making 5 or more would probably bring it down to under $50
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: catnipz0098 on Sun, 03 November 2013, 15:13:41
I like it. Its like the GH pad but has more keys. Where can I get one?  :thumb:
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Sun, 03 November 2013, 15:26:38
I like it. Its like the GH pad but has more keys. Where can I get one?  :thumb:

It's a limited run which may already be ordered (probably), so you may have just missed out on it.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 03 November 2013, 15:35:42
I like it. Its like the GH pad but has more keys. Where can I get one?  :thumb:

If you are really down to buy one, keep checking back here.  I will try to get one into the hands of everyone who wants one.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: catnipz0098 on Sun, 03 November 2013, 15:45:59
I like it. Its like the GH pad but has more keys. Where can I get one?  :thumb:

If you are really down to buy one, keep checking back here.  I will try to get one into the hands of everyone who wants one.

After seeing previous posts, I see that this will be a one time run. I will probably buy a GH pad.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 06 November 2013, 23:03:18
Man, I hate waiting.  The PCB continues to work its way through fabrication and the guy doing the plates is taking longer than usual.

Mean time I was thinking about how to outfit this thing with keycaps.  The difficulty comes from the the two extra 2x1 vertical keys on the thumb.  Realistically the only keys that will work are blanks.  If there was a way to buy blank numberpads, that would do the trick, those aren't exactly common.  You could buy two blank DSA numpad sets from keycapsdirect for under $20 that would completely cover the qazpad.  That's pretty good but I don't like DSA.

For DCS not much to do other than use + and Enter vertical keys from kits laying around.  Speak up if you have any ideas.

7bit's R5 presents an opportunity... The ergodox kit has a bunch of the vertical keys.  2x HONEY/NUMPAD (21*2=$42) and 1x HONEY/ERGOBASE ($29) would be able to completely cover two qazpads for $36 each.  Of course, all kinds of other kits would be desirable to fill out the top row with meaningful legends, and that gets expensive quick.  Could take some from a HONEY/STANDARD if you were going to get that anyway, I guess.  HONEY/MOD100, HONEY/MODEXTRA100, HONEY/CURSORBASE, and HONEY/CURSOR/R3 would be useful also.

Okay, well... good talk.  G'night
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 06 November 2013, 23:53:45
Well, we can probably harvest some from Crap Bags too.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 07 November 2013, 00:11:18
There is always the SP inventory.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 07 November 2013, 00:47:49
Man, I hate waiting.  The PCB continues to work its way through fabrication and the guy doing the plates is taking longer than usual.

Mean time I was thinking about how to outfit this thing with keycaps.  The difficulty comes from the the two extra 2x1 vertical keys on the thumb.  Realistically the only keys that will work are blanks.  If there was a way to buy blank numberpads, that would do the trick, those aren't exactly common.  You could buy two blank DSA numpad sets from keycapsdirect for under $20 that would completely cover the qazpad.  That's pretty good but I don't like DSA.

For DCS not much to do other than use + and Enter vertical keys from kits laying around.  Speak up if you have any ideas.

7bit's R5 presents an opportunity... The ergodox kit has a bunch of the vertical keys.  2x HONEY/NUMPAD (21*2=$42) and 1x HONEY/ERGOBASE ($29) would be able to completely cover two qazpads for $36 each.  Of course, all kinds of other kits would be desirable to fill out the top row with meaningful legends, and that gets expensive quick.  Could take some from a HONEY/STANDARD if you were going to get that anyway, I guess.  HONEY/MOD100, HONEY/MODEXTRA100, HONEY/CURSORBASE, and HONEY/CURSOR/R3 would be useful also.

Okay, well... good talk.  G'night

Are you already making the case? What design did you pick? The bathroom scale one?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 07 November 2013, 06:12:32
I'm having one example made of the red cutouts I posted a little ways back.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 07 November 2013, 13:47:57
qaz, waiting on the cad file with correct location and size of USB along with the reset switch if it is present.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 07 November 2013, 19:29:27
qaz, waiting on the cad file with correct location and size of USB along with the reset switch if it is present.

I finally got off my lazy butt!
Fixed up some design elements and put in the phantom switch cutouts.
Posted to OP.  Should have everything you need to create new designs to your heart's content.  Just erase the outer lines and make new shapes.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 07 November 2013, 21:16:09
Can't wait! Don't know how to do 3D modeling so I'll be buying a case.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Fri, 08 November 2013, 14:27:55
Can't wait! Don't know how to do 3D modeling so I'll be buying a case.


Undoubtedly MOZ will whip up something good.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 08 November 2013, 14:37:54
Can't wait! Don't know how to do 3D modeling so I'll be buying a case.


Undoubtedly MOZ will whip up something good.
The GHpad case is really sexy, so I'm sure he can
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 09 November 2013, 09:49:52
I screwed up big time.  Ordered the wrong amount of ATmega controllers and now I don't have enough and they are out of stock everywhere.  Not sure if they are going to be restocked or what.

Edit: Ignore this.  They came back in stock at Mouser since I last checked.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 09 November 2013, 10:44:58
I screwed up big time.  Ordered the wrong amount of ATmega controllers and now I don't have enough and they are out of stock everywhere.  Not sure if they are going to be restocked or what.

Have you tried the part number on octopart?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Sat, 09 November 2013, 10:50:49
I screwed up big time.  Ordered the wrong amount of ATmega controllers and now I don't have enough and they are out of stock everywhere.  Not sure if they are going to be restocked or what.

I hope I'm not too late, but I can forego the ones I wanted, so you can use those to make sure everyone ordering one of your keypads has controllers.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 09 November 2013, 10:57:25
What controller are you using? I have some extras, so I could let mine go to someone else.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Sat, 09 November 2013, 11:01:53
What controller are you using? I have some extras, so I could let mine go to someone else.

it's the ATMEGA32U4-AU (TQFP44 package)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 09 November 2013, 11:03:46
It's okay.  False alarm.  Mouser has them in stock.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 09 November 2013, 11:05:41
Isn't that the same one we used for the GHPad?

If yes, you can give my controller to someone else.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 09 November 2013, 11:08:29
It's okay.  False alarm.  Mouser has them in stock.

Looks like Verical does too (https://www.verical.com/partID/116246?&utm_source=octopart&utm_medium=buynow&utm_campaign=octopart#landingPage=catalogItemView&searchCriterion=mpnIDs&searchName=&_i_=1&searchTerm=116246).
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 09 November 2013, 11:09:27
Oh good, you found them.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 09 November 2013, 11:13:07
It's the same as the GHpad, yes.  Also the GH60, Epsilon, and JD's 40% 'Smallfry'.
I usually only go to Digikey, Mouser, or Newark.  I prefer Digikey.  I checked a while ago and stocks were looking pretty thin.  Now Mouser has 'em but Digikey is out until Q1 2014.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 09 November 2013, 11:18:10
Odd, I always prefer Mouser.  They're usually cheaper for me and their customer service is amazing, even if you're the one who screws up.  I accidentally ordered the wrong MOLEX tool from them and they told me to keep it and sent a new one free of charge.  They're just awesome to deal with.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 09 November 2013, 11:54:43
That's cool.  I guess in my case it's just inertia.  I've been a Digikey customer for 15 years.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 09 November 2013, 20:34:53
YAYAYAYAY
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 09 November 2013, 20:55:48
The PCBs are just a few miles from my house but I have to wait until Monday. ugh I hate that.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 09 November 2013, 20:57:40
Where did you order from?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 09 November 2013, 21:02:02
China. PCBwing
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 09 November 2013, 21:03:42
And the friggin laser cutter is supposed to take three business days but its been 7 and nothing.  Grumble grumble.

Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 10 November 2013, 14:18:15
At least they're almost here. I won't be fully building this until I get my stickers from moz and/or figure out a way to be able to remove the switch tops with LEDs soldered in
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Sun, 10 November 2013, 14:45:25
At least they're almost here. I won't be fully building this until I get my stickers from moz and/or figure out a way to be able to remove the switch tops with LEDs soldered in

If you modify the switch tops before putting the LEDs in, it is possible to create removable tops that can come off without having to desolder the LEDs.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 10 November 2013, 15:06:36
At least they're almost here. I won't be fully building this until I get my stickers from moz and/or figure out a way to be able to remove the switch tops with LEDs soldered in

If you modify the switch tops before putting the LEDs in, it is possible to create removable tops that can come off without having to desolder the LEDs.

I tried doing it. I don't have the correct tools so its a bit cluncky and especially on the inner side its not trimmed correctly
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Sun, 10 November 2013, 15:19:21
The PCBs are just a few miles from my house but I have to wait until Monday. ugh I hate that.

I hope it's not USPS, or you'll be waiting until Tuesday  :'(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: calavera on Sun, 10 November 2013, 16:01:51
The more I look at the layout, it'd make a nice compact gaming board like the razor thingy as long as the board supports programmable keys.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 10 November 2013, 16:35:26
The more I look at the layout, it'd make a nice compact gaming board like the razor thingy as long as the board supports programmable keys.

Completely programmable, with macros and media keys.  Right now I'm thinking of mapping it like this (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/4092398f0a10101df221dbbb463ab3be).
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 10 November 2013, 17:35:48
Personally I'm going to move the numlock key to the top left corner, because I don't want to accidentally press it in game
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 10 November 2013, 17:53:59
Personally I'm going to move the numlock key to the top left corner, because I don't want to accidentally press it in game

Ain't nothing wrong with that.  If you want I can give you a custom binary that moves the NumLock LED up there.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 10 November 2013, 18:02:55
Personally I'm going to move the numlock key to the top left corner, because I don't want to accidentally press it in game

Ain't nothing wrong with that.  If you want I can give you a custom binary that moves the NumLock LED up there.

Won't need that. It'll be off the entire time(numlock on my 75% makes right side of board a numpad) and I'll make them be the keys I need them to be
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:39:26
Came in.  Except for the missing silkscreen on the back, they look pretty good.

(http://i.imgur.com/L5I0Pwd.jpg)

Can't believe its missing the back printing, though.  Going to be a pain in the butt to assemble.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:44:16
That looks awesome! Is there anyway I could acquire a PCB?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:45:05
That looks awesome! Is there anyway I could acquire a PCB?

Yes, I'm pretty sure I will have extra.  I'll add you to the list.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:47:18
The missing silkscreen, a mistake on your end or theirs?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:47:45
That looks awesome! Is there anyway I could acquire a PCB?

Yes, I'm pretty sure I will have extra.  I'll add you to the list.

Thank you! I don't need components or switches and I'll just mill myself a case. So just the PCB.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:51:46
The missing silkscreen, a mistake on your end or theirs?

Not quite sure.  I can't go back and look at the layer setup.  I know I uploaded it, though.  I'm still going to complain.

(http://i.imgur.com/toiLWMml.jpg)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:53:03
Oops?

(http://i.imgur.com/4ADvqL4.png)

Your design is super clean. I'm impressed. :D
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:55:20
That was my first thought JDCarpe, but I checked the order...
[attach=1]
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:56:46
That was my first thought JDCarpe, but I checked the order...
(Attachment Link)

I would contact their customer service. They probably just messed it up, then. I bet they will make you replacements.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:59:32
Yeah, contact their CC, might delay things if they ask for the original set back.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 09:02:21
It's a prototype, I'm going to solder one of 'em up to make sure the thing works before I contact them.  No point in reprinting a bad design  ;D
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Mon, 11 November 2013, 15:35:35
Who needs silkscreening? :D
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:05:49
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:08:58
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

Been there, done that. If you want to absorb some of that cost with corrected PCBs, I'm willing to pay more.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:15:23
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

Oh shaite! We could quick-fix it? Expose ground-plane near by and use a small jumper?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:22:48
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

Oh shaite! We could quick-fix it? Expose ground-plane near by and use a small jumper?

Luckily the filled planes are GND.  I just went downstairs and scraped off the mask and tried to short the pads to the plane with a solder blob.  I think it worked, but it's ugly as hell.  I'm going to keep building this first board to see if I can get it working.  *sigh*
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:23:08
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

Oh shaite! We could quick-fix it? Expose ground-plane near by and use a small jumper?


Looks like it might be possible to carefully scrape off the mask and bridge over with some solder... assuming this is the crystal here, but it looks like the right footprint.
[attach=1]

-- oops, nevermind, metalliqaz beat me to it :D
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:25:07
I am so confused as a person who has never done anything close to this kind of work
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:29:16
Luckily the filled planes are GND.  I just went downstairs and scraped off the mask and tried to short the pads to the plane with a solder blob.  I think it worked, but it's ugly as hell.  I'm going to keep building this first board to see if I can get it working.  *sigh*
It should work as long as the filled plane is grounded, don't worry :)

As for aesthetics, although important, this is a prototype, so don't stress yourself.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:03:01
Don't worry I got this.  I'm just a perfectionist so this upsets me.

I just programmed it, let's see how the software works...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:10:47
Don't worry I got this.  I'm just a perfectionist so this upsets me.

I just programmed it, let's see how the software works...

How major is it?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:14:50
Seems to be working, although clearly I have a bug in my software somewhere.  Alright well ultimately not so bad.  I guess now I wait until my plate comes in, then I can test the backlighting and debug the software.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:33:18
7bit's R5 presents an opportunity... The ergodox kit has a bunch of the vertical keys.  2x HONEY/NUMPAD (21*2=$42) and 1x HONEY/ERGOBASE ($29) would be able to completely cover two qazpads for $36 each.  Of course, all kinds of other kits would be desirable to fill out the top row with meaningful legends, and that gets expensive quick.  Could take some from a HONEY/STANDARD if you were going to get that anyway, I guess.  HONEY/MOD100, HONEY/MODEXTRA100, HONEY/CURSORBASE, and HONEY/CURSOR/R3 would be useful also.

I'm ordering some R5.  If anyone wants to split an ERGOBASE with me, let me know now and I will add it to my order and send it out with the PCB.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:37:45
7bit's R5 presents an opportunity... The ergodox kit has a bunch of the vertical keys.  2x HONEY/NUMPAD (21*2=$42) and 1x HONEY/ERGOBASE ($29) would be able to completely cover two qazpads for $36 each.  Of course, all kinds of other kits would be desirable to fill out the top row with meaningful legends, and that gets expensive quick.  Could take some from a HONEY/STANDARD if you were going to get that anyway, I guess.  HONEY/MOD100, HONEY/MODEXTRA100, HONEY/CURSORBASE, and HONEY/CURSOR/R3 would be useful also.

I'm ordering some R5.  If anyone wants to split an ERGOBASE with me, let me know now and I will add it to my order and send it out with the PCB.

What do they look like? Right now I'm buying a toxic set which has two extra x2 pieces
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:54:27
They are SA profile, Gray blank.  Actually now I'm starting to have doubts.  They are just so expensive!  I ordered some DSA and DCS blanks from SP that should be enough.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:43:23
They are SA profile, Gray blank.  Actually now I'm starting to have doubts.  They are just so expensive!  I ordered some DSA and DCS blanks from SP that should be enough.  Oh well.

Link?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:52:44
They are SA profile, Gray blank.  Actually now I'm starting to have doubts.  They are just so expensive!  I ordered some DSA and DCS blanks from SP that should be enough.  Oh well.

Link?

You don't know about Round 5???
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:59:34
They are SA profile, Gray blank.  Actually now I'm starting to have doubts.  They are just so expensive!  I ordered some DSA and DCS blanks from SP that should be enough.  Oh well.

Link?

You don't know about Round 5???
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

I've only gone on dt two times. Once to make an account, and twice to try to figure out how to change my password. Its too confusing for my simpleminded brain
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:01:07
Found another error  :'(
It appears I managed to confuse myself by looking at the bottom layer (which is flipped).  Sooo.... now my transistors are installed upside-down with more solder blobs, lol
TIL always do an extra review.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:13:01
Found another error  :'(
It appears I managed to confuse myself by looking at the bottom layer (which is flipped).  Sooo.... now my transistors are installed upside-down with more solder blobs, lol
TIL always do an extra review.

Oh no! I hope you can still get working. Might not be pretty but it's only the prototype. :)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:15:15
Yeah it's together just not pretty.  At least the software works, though.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:27:51
Are the PCB's that are being sent out for everybody else going to be fixed?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:29:53
Are the PCB's that are being sent out for everybody else going to be fixed?

Using unconventional soldering techniques I can get it to work.  I have emailed the company that made them about the missing silkscreen.  Haven't heard back yet.  I will try to get them to re-run with the v1.2 design.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 15 November 2013, 23:48:22
Quick and dirty backlighting modes with no caps and the pad outside of a case.

Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:01:57
Quick and dirty backlighting modes with no caps and the pad outside of a case.


Looks good!

Do you have extra clears I can buy from you instead of buying a big pack from mk.com? Also do you have any extra stabs I can buy?

Can't wait to be able to make something with my own hands.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:04:13
Sorry I don't have any extra switches and I'm running really low on stabilizers :(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:06:37
Sorry I don't have any extra switches and I'm running really low on stabilizers :(

That's fine. I plan to sell the extras on classifieds anyways. I'll just buy some costar stabs from wasd
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:54:40
I'm not very happy with how the "Case" came out.  Just didn't work out the way I pictured it.

However, the layout is working just perfectly.  The thumb switches are in the perfect spot and I think it strikes the perfect balance between plenty of switches and compact size.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: AKmalamute on Sat, 16 November 2013, 01:17:36
It might not look very Apple-esque but it does look a bit like a bathroom scale, so you did okay. Piqued my interest.

As to interests ... since dedicated arrow keys are so incredibly uncommon on 60% boards ... WHAT THE **** IS THAT YELLOW AND PURPLE THING?!?!

...and can I have the parts to make one of those?

...For science, of course...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 16 November 2013, 08:24:58
That is an Epsilon.  It's a 75%. They are all gone.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 16 November 2013, 13:56:14
It might not look very Apple-esque but it does look a bit like a bathroom scale, so you did okay. Piqued my interest.

As to interests ... since dedicated arrow keys are so incredibly uncommon on 60% boards ... WHAT THE **** IS THAT YELLOW AND PURPLE THING?!?!

...and can I have the parts to make one of those?

...For science, of course...

How is that a 60%? It has a num row and a function row. Its a 75%. And all 75%'s have arrow keys
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 16 November 2013, 14:23:22
It's hard to tell from a partial photo.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:34:17
Get your paypal ready guys.  Now that I have some holiday time off, I'm building these up.  You will be getting PMs from me soon.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:34:53
Who's making the case?

also pm me last, still need to sell some iron masks then I'll have sufficient funds
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:38:07
If noone steps up to build a case, I will design one.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:42:02
Get your paypal ready guys.  Now that I have some holiday time off, I'm building these up.  You will be getting PMs from me soon.


(http://i.imgur.com/l4AHcPp.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:48:20
How much will the pcb+controller soldered on cost?

And you still have my keycaps on hand right  :p
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:50:07
How much will the pcb+controller soldered on cost?
Like I've said all along, $20.
And you still have my keycaps on hand right  :p
I haven't the slightest clue.  That business can be concluded when money changes hands.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 27 November 2013, 15:01:39
I should have a case design ready in next couple of days, basically it will be the same shape as the reference design, unless some people want it to be the plain-jane rectangular shape.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 27 November 2013, 15:04:57
I should have a case design ready in next couple of days, basically it will be the same shape as the reference design, unless some people want it to be the plain-jane rectangular shape.


plain jane please. reference seems to waste too much space.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 27 November 2013, 15:15:57
I suggest the plain rectangle also, having seen this in person.  I will try to upload a concept tonight.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 15:25:16
Yes plain please  ;D

Also moz, if you're making the case, will you ship whatever stickers that I ordered that have been completed with it and whatever you haven't finished later?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 27 November 2013, 15:35:23
Yeah, I'll club shipping.

It will be like the GHPad case, rectangular shape 5 layers, top one being plate as well.

Colors that will be available:
Clear
Clear Matte
Black
Black Matte
White
Orange
Pink
Blue
Smoke

Anyone that is getting the PCB please let me know in the next 2 days what colors you want.

$22 for the case including shipping and PP fees.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 15:37:20
Yeah, I'll club shipping.

It will be like the GHPad case, rectangular shape 5 layers, top one being plate as well.

Colors that will be available:
Clear
Clear Matte
Black
Black Matte
White
Orange
Pink
Blue
Smoke

Anyone that is getting the PCB please let me know in the next 2 days what colors you want.

oooh nice
do you have pictures of what the acrylic looks like?
specifically clear matte, black matte, smoke and pink?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 27 November 2013, 15:44:14
Yeah, I'll club shipping.

It will be like the GHPad case, rectangular shape 5 layers, top one being plate as well.

Colors that will be available:
Clear
Clear Matte
Black
Black Matte
White
Orange
Pink
Blue
Smoke

Anyone that is getting the PCB please let me know in the next 2 days what colors you want.

oooh nice
do you have pictures of what the acrylic looks like?
specifically clear matte, black matte, smoke and pink?

Ditto. I think Smoke and Black Matte would look cool, but I need pics.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 27 November 2013, 16:00:54
Clear and Smoke:
http://i.imgur.com/gsjL81f.jpg

Clear Matte:
http://i.imgur.com/cqaHyTm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/d3e1eh9.jpg

Black and Black Matte:
http://i.imgur.com/GX5AdqA.jpg

Orange:
http://i.imgur.com/oyWiUvA.jpg

Pink:
http://i.imgur.com/WHXcFXr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VxaMEuh.jpg

Blue:
http://i.imgur.com/yTKijeY.jpg
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 16:02:12
Clear and Smoke:
http://i.imgur.com/gsjL81f.jpg

Clear Matte:
I'll post a picture, but is it clear frosted looking.

Black and Black Matte:
http://i.imgur.com/GX5AdqA.jpg

Orange:
http://i.imgur.com/oyWiUvA.jpg

Pink:
http://i.imgur.com/WHXcFXr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VxaMEuh.jpg

Blue:
http://i.imgur.com/yTKijeY.jpg

thanks!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 27 November 2013, 16:12:57
Make mine black matte--orange--clear matte--orange--black matte, please MOZ.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 27 November 2013, 16:18:18
Moz I'd like to give your PCB free of charge for doing this.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 27 November 2013, 16:23:28
Moz I'd like to give your PCB free of charge for doing this.

Thanks a lot, highly appreciated. When sending the PM to the participants, if you can lead them to the thread, so that they can tell me the color choices ASAP, it would be great as I don't want people to miss out if they want to get a case, because I won't be able to get them after Friday as cases would be cut over weekend, and I won't be able to get them cut after that until February 2014.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 27 November 2013, 17:24:52
I'll do matte black for the top and bottom and clear matte for the middle layers Moz.  And if you're willing to share the files, I'd love to have some Corel compatible file for the top and bottom since I really want to try a wood top and bottom for mine.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 27 November 2013, 18:02:27
What does the case run again?

Matte black for me.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 18:11:43
I'd like to get
blue
clear matte
pink
clear matte
blue

around how much will it cost?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 29 November 2013, 04:18:28
Add images for clear matte: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43183.msg1136387#msg1136387

And if you're willing to share the files, I'd love to have some Corel compatible file for the top and bottom since I really want to try a wood top and bottom for mine.

I'll upload the files, once I am done, with the case. Should have it done by evening Indian time.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 29 November 2013, 04:22:53
Cases ordered:
jdcarpe: black matte--orange--clear matte--orange--black matte
nubbinator: black matte--clear matte--clear matte--clear matte--black matte
Hak Foo: black matte for all
Pacifist: blue--clear matte--pink--clear matte--blue
MOZ: black matte--clear matte--clear matte--clear matte--black matte
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 29 November 2013, 13:24:51
Cool, thanks.

Now to start harvesting boards for parts.  The Rosewill in the corner is cringing already...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 29 November 2013, 15:03:18
perfect! you‘re going to make cutouts to open the switches without desoldering right?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Fri, 29 November 2013, 18:54:50
perfect! you‘re going to make cutouts to open the switches without desoldering right?

I'm sure it will have that, the two different cases MOZ made for me have them.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 30 November 2013, 02:04:40
perfect! you‘re going to make cutouts to open the switches without desoldering right?

As regack mentioned, definitely yes, and they will support the PCB stabs (Which I recommend), for costar or Cherry Plate stabs you will need to mod and glue them as acrylic will be 3mm.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 30 November 2013, 07:16:52
I will try to dig up some PCB mount stabilizers and do a fit-check
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:14:18
metalliqaz I'd like to send a case to you absolutely free, let me know your color choices.

One question I have is, is their a hardware reset switch? If yes, what is the location?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:22:28
Thanks Mozbro but mine is already in a case :)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:23:24
Thanks Mozbro but mine is already in a case :)

I thought you got two PCB for yourself.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:25:19
There is a location for hardware reset but it isn't really a switch. It's a jumper.  It is near the top center.  Marked with a box in the hardware layer.  I'm out of town but I will upload more data files when I get home
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:35:04
Okay, I see it. Can you let me know if it is on the top side or bottom? I will make a cutout in the case to use a flat head screw driver to short the jumper.

Let me know if there are any other such components I need to be aware of before making the case. Currently there would be ~4.5mm clearance below the PCB and ~2mm above the PCB.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:41:13
They are through hole. You'll see in the Gerbers.  There is nothing to avoid on the top.  All the buts are on the bottom. The USB is the biggest thing.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:43:04
Okay cool, thanks, then looks like most is sorted. Case should be just about done then.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 02 December 2013, 21:01:03
Ugh, 0603 resistors on a full-LED keyboard with a soldering iron.  Never again.

Also I uploaded the schematic and gerbers.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 02 December 2013, 21:02:12
Do you have a tutorial for soldering the diodes when we get the pcb's and case? Its my first time soldering and I don't want to mess up
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 02 December 2013, 21:03:36
Do you have a tutorial for soldering the diodes when we get the pcb's and case? Its my first time soldering and I don't want to mess up

I will solder a few of your diodes to show you how they go.  Search YouTube for soldering tutorials.

The secret is to have good tools, and to use less solder.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 02 December 2013, 21:05:54
Do you have a tutorial for soldering the diodes when we get the pcb's and case? Its my first time soldering and I don't want to mess up

I will solder a few of your diodes to show you how they go.  Search YouTube for soldering tutorials.

The secret is to have good tools, and to use less solder.

Sounds good, thanks! Im going to rewatch the videos in the soldering thread before I start  :p
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 02 December 2013, 21:07:16
By the way I checked your white LEDs with one of the completed boards today.  Really bright.  Looks nice.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 02 December 2013, 21:10:44
By the way I checked your white LEDs with one of the completed boards today.  Really bright.  Looks nice.

Sweet, thanks! Going to do the solderless LED header mod on them and then I'm going to use some of those led color changers from taobao I bought over the summer that haven't been used yet because I don't have a board with backlighting. That way I can still open the switch with LEDs

Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 02 December 2013, 21:14:23
More info for when the PCBs arrive.  This is the default layout they come with:
[attachimg=1]

So, to get it into the bootloader, it's Fn, then period.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:20:31
Okay cool, thanks, then looks like most is sorted. Case should be just about done then.

Any eta on when we can get the cases and the cost? Are you still taking finals?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:21:51
More info for when the PCBs arrive.  This is the default layout they come with:
(Attachment Link)

So, to get it into the bootloader, it's Fn, then period.

FN .

I laughed...I'm so immature....:(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 04 December 2013, 21:57:47
Okay cool, thanks, then looks like most is sorted. Case should be just about done then.

Any eta on when we can get the cases and the cost? Are you still taking finals?

Price is $22 including PP and shipping.

I will upload the design later tonight and have these cut possibly tomorrow or day after for sure. Next weeke I will start sending these out, I have to send out some 200 packages which includes stickers and keyring GB and other random stuff, so it would possibly take multiple days to get everything out, I will club together items from different GBs and orders for the same address.

Whoever wants the case, please PM me your PayPal email ID, adress including phone number and the colors for the layers.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 04 December 2013, 22:45:04
Private message sent.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 05 December 2013, 20:08:07
Okay cool, thanks, then looks like most is sorted. Case should be just about done then.

Any eta on when we can get the cases and the cost? Are you still taking finals?

Price is $22 including PP and shipping.

I will upload the design later tonight and have these cut possibly tomorrow or day after for sure. Next weeke I will start sending these out, I have to send out some 200 packages which includes stickers and keyring GB and other random stuff, so it would possibly take multiple days to get everything out, I will club together items from different GBs and orders for the same address.

Whoever wants the case, please PM me your PayPal email ID, adress including phone number and the colors for the layers.

PM sent!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 06 December 2013, 09:42:47
So here is the case:
(http://i.imgur.com/4vOm9e1.png)

If anyone has any recommendations, let me know.

Two possible changes in my mind are:
1. Rectangular edges.
2. The 3 middle layers slightly wider(1mm on all 4 sides) so those layers show a bit from the sides.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 06 December 2013, 09:47:42
Maybe you can try to fix the countersink on the holes on this one so the case can use flat head screws and have them be flush?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 06 December 2013, 09:50:59
Maybe you can try to fix the countersink on the holes on this one so the case can use flat head screws and have them be flush?

Difficult to do that with laser engraving. :(

I like option 2, MOZ, where the middle layers stick out a bit.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 06 December 2013, 09:52:41
By the way if you have paid me I am shipping this weekend. You will get tracking via PM.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 06 December 2013, 10:04:40
Paid. :)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 06 December 2013, 10:25:57
Maybe you can try to fix the countersink on the holes on this one so the case can use flat head screws and have them be flush?

The way I am going on these is, just skipping the engraving altogether and going with holes on the topmost and bottom layer that are just smaller than the head of the screw so it sits almost completely flush.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 06 December 2013, 10:26:00
I like it the way it is right now
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 06 December 2013, 10:58:24

I like option 2, MOZ, where the middle layers stick out a bit.

I prefer the other way where it's flush all around.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 07 December 2013, 11:43:56
If you're Nathan from Costa Mesa, PM me to get your tracking number
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 09 December 2013, 13:48:09
Invoice sent to jdcarpe, Pacifist, hakfoo and nubbinator for @ $22.

jdcarpe, Pacifist, nubs have been discounted $3 since I have to ship them some stuff, so they saved on some shipping.

jdcarpe and my case will have the slightly broder mid section, for everyone else the case will be uniform.

If someone still wants the case or wants to make changes, they can still be done by Friday this week as my exams have been rescheduled so I couldn't get the cases cut yet.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:13:14
Invoice sent to jdcarpe, Pacifist, hakfoo and nubbinator for @ $22.

jdcarpe, Pacifist, nubs have been discounted $3 since I have to ship them some stuff, so they saved on some shipping.

jdcarpe and my case will have the slightly broder mid section, for everyone else the case will be uniform.

If someone still wants the case or wants to make changes, they can still be done by Friday this week as my exams have been rescheduled so I couldn't get the cases cut yet.

Sweet. I may change one color in my case, so I have until friday to change the order?

Hopefully this comes after the 20th cuz I have so much homework.....
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:44:02
Just installed all the diodes in my PCB.  Now I can't wait to assemble it and test it out.  I may just have to go get some wood and laser cut the top and bottom so I can at least get the switches installed.

I'm also debating flipping the LEDs around and installing them underneath so I get a glowing effect through the frosted clear plexi or going with a SIP mod so I can swap the colors.  Decisions decisions.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 10 December 2013, 17:55:07
Just installed all the diodes in my PCB.  Now I can't wait to assemble it and test it out.  I may just have to go get some wood and laser cut the top and bottom so I can at least get the switches installed.

I'm also debating flipping the LEDs around and installing them underneath so I get a glowing effect through the frosted clear plexi or going with a SIP mod so I can swap the colors.  Decisions decisions.

I'm going with the solderless headers. But the glowing effect sounds good too.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 11 December 2013, 01:56:36
I noticed that the switches for the vertical 2X keys are sideways compared to the other keys. On my g80, those sideways vertical keys are also sideways. Cherry keys stems are not perfectly the same size, so there could be problems with the stems. Is this an accident, or are we supposed to use specific caps?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 11 December 2013, 07:28:54
I noticed that the switches for the vertical 2X keys are sideways compared to the other keys. On my g80, those sideways vertical keys are also sideways. Cherry keys stems are not perfectly the same size, so there could be problems with the stems. Is this an accident, or are we supposed to use specific caps?

Any caps will fit.  Caps not made for the 2x vertical will be tighter than usual, but it's no big deal.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: regack on Wed, 11 December 2013, 07:43:50
I'm also debating flipping the LEDs around and installing them underneath so I get a glowing effect through the frosted clear plexi or going with a SIP mod so I can swap the colors.  Decisions decisions.

Is there enough space underneath to do that? 

How about instead, you install BOTH...  mount the SIP headers in the switches for the top half, then use some 0805 LEDs across the pads on the underside of the board.   Of course, you'll be wiring the LEDs in parallel, so you'll have to account for that, and if you ever remove the ones from the top, that could cause some problems... anyway, uhh, have fun with that :D

Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 11 December 2013, 19:00:36
Is there a "Lamp test mode" in the software package?

I'm waiting on a case to construct it fully, but I figure I can install the diodes and LEDs and test for functionality/correct polarity while I wait.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 11 December 2013, 19:23:11
I noticed that the switches for the vertical 2X keys are sideways compared to the other keys. On my g80, those sideways vertical keys are also sideways. Cherry keys stems are not perfectly the same size, so there could be problems with the stems. Is this an accident, or are we supposed to use specific caps?

Any caps will fit.  Caps not made for the 2x vertical will be tighter than usual, but it's no big deal.

Cool. Wanted to make sure, this is my first numpad.


Also Moz, I paid the invoice for the case. I may change one color and if so I will let you know 2morrow
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 11 December 2013, 21:21:07
Is there a "Lamp test mode" in the software package?

I'm waiting on a case to construct it fully, but I figure I can install the diodes and LEDs and test for functionality/correct polarity while I wait.

You can't install LEDs before you install the switches, but you can do what I did when I tested them after soldering.  Just plug it in and it will turn on all the backlights by default.  Then you can just touch the LED holes with the leads of an LED to test it.  Once you've installed the diodes, you can just short the switch holes with some metal and it will actuate.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 11 December 2013, 21:24:04
Is there a "Lamp test mode" in the software package?

I'm waiting on a case to construct it fully, but I figure I can install the diodes and LEDs and test for functionality/correct polarity while I wait.

You can't install LEDs before you install the switches, but you can do what I did when I tested them after soldering.  Just plug it in and it will turn on all the backlights by default.  Then you can just touch the LED holes with the leads of an LED to test it.  Once you've installed the diodes, you can just short the switch holes with some metal and it will actuate.

0.0 that's what I did yesterday....and this is my first time using a bare PCB...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 12 December 2013, 18:53:20
I'm going to buy some stabs from imsto, it costs $10 for 6 2X plus the spacebar stabs, and then the $10-15 for shipping. Does anyone want to group up with me for the orders to save on shipping? I'm also buying two packets of cleaning goo and some O rings

Also moz do you have red acrylic or is it just pink?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 13 December 2013, 02:09:11
I'm going to buy some stabs from imsto, it costs $10 for 6 2X plus the spacebar stabs, and then the $10 for shipping. Does anyone want to group up with me for the orders to save on shipping? I'm also buying two packets of cleaning goo and some O rings

Also moz do you have red acrylic or is it just pink?
I needed some red translucent acrylic for some other work, so I have that.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 13 December 2013, 02:10:33
I'm going to buy some stabs from imsto, it costs $10 for 6 2X plus the spacebar stabs, and then the $10 for shipping. Does anyone want to group up with me for the orders to save on shipping? I'm also buying two packets of cleaning goo and some O rings

Also moz do you have red acrylic or is it just pink?
I needed some red translucent acrylic for some other work, so I have that.

Oh sweet. Can you change my middle pink layer to red? Thank you so much!

And translucent too! Even better
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 13 December 2013, 02:19:44
I'm going to buy some stabs from imsto, it costs $10 for 6 2X plus the spacebar stabs, and then the $10 for shipping. Does anyone want to group up with me for the orders to save on shipping? I'm also buying two packets of cleaning goo and some O rings

Also moz do you have red acrylic or is it just pink?
I needed some red translucent acrylic for some other work, so I have that.

Oh sweet. Can you change my middle pink layer to red? Thank you so much!

And translucent too! Even better

Got it.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 13 December 2013, 17:32:35
I'm going to buy some stabs from imsto, it costs $10 for 6 2X plus the spacebar stabs, and then the $10 for shipping. Does anyone want to group up with me for the orders to save on shipping? I'm also buying two packets of cleaning goo and some O rings

Also moz do you have red acrylic or is it just pink?
I needed some red translucent acrylic for some other work, so I have that.

Oh sweet. Can you change my middle pink layer to red? Thank you so much!

And translucent too! Even better

Got it.

Thanks!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: TacticaT on Tue, 31 December 2013, 23:47:33
I assume a premature question since everyone doesn't seem to have all their v1 / prototype units put together yet, but…


Will there be another run? A post from a long time ago said it was a one-time deal, but it never hurts to ask...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 01 January 2014, 00:19:25
I assume a premature question since everyone doesn't seem to have all their v1 / prototype units put together yet, but…


Will there be another run? A post from a long time ago said it was a one-time deal, but it never hurts to ask...

most likely not. metaliqaz's other project, the epsilon 75%, never had a r2. you can download his files and have a pcb made yourself
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 01 January 2014, 09:00:07
There are still some left. If you want one just PM
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 18 January 2014, 22:49:34
welp moz still hasn't gotten the cases out

tempted to just solder on the switches but I don't have a desoldering pump

@metalliqaz, how is the pad so far?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 19 January 2014, 18:41:21
welp moz still hasn't gotten the cases out

tempted to just solder on the switches but I don't have a desoldering pump

@metalliqaz, how is the pad so far?

I really like it.  The primary concept was the two thumb buttons next to the primary cluster.  Even though it isn't tilted to an "ergonomic" angle like the ergodox, I find that it is perfectly comfortable and feels like the natural position.

I haven't really used the macro buttons that I have assigned above the space and tab thumb keys, to be honest.  However the backlighting is nice and gets plenty of compliments.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 19 January 2014, 19:23:39
welp moz still hasn't gotten the cases out

tempted to just solder on the switches but I don't have a desoldering pump

@metalliqaz, how is the pad so far?

Just an FYI moz stated elsewhere he won't be back in India until the middle of February.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 19 January 2014, 19:24:41
welp moz still hasn't gotten the cases out

tempted to just solder on the switches but I don't have a desoldering pump

@metalliqaz, how is the pad so far?

Just an FYI moz stated elsewhere he won't be back in India until the middle of February.

yea I know.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 18 March 2014, 10:24:16
I was building my QazPad today and noticed a big mistake I have made in the case, I left space in the case for a 120mmx120mm PCB, whereas as the PCB is actually 124mm.

I don't know where the screw up happened, I didn't have the PCB, nobody double checked my design; only explanation I have is, for all cases I have made thus far, the PCB was always 19.05mm*number of switches in length and breadth. This was not the case here, not blaming anyone, but a miscommunication has happened. Now, this renders the already cut cases pretty much useless.

Current pckages are packed and labeled and ready to send, which I will still do tomorrow.

So what do we do from here, really sorry for the mishap.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 18 March 2014, 10:58:08
Oh no!

Yes, there is a border around the switches on the PCB.  It was made to strengthen the PCB stabilizer mounts, and I just wanted to make it square.  When I get home I can check the provided DXF files, but I'm pretty sure they're right.  Also I know with certainty the Gerbers are correct.

Now, the question is, can we cut down the PCBs?  I will have to go back and check the design.  Obviously if there are traces in that region, then we can't.  2mm from each side isn't much.  Although, the FRC is also very difficult to modify without totally destroying it.

Moz, I wouldn't worry about the mistake so much.  We'll figure something out.  I made two pretty big design errors myself!  I was able to work around them with some ugly, ugly soldering.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 18 March 2014, 11:01:09
From the image in the OP, there is a trace along the top edge of the PCB in that area. And cutting from the bottom would cut into the stabilizer holes. :(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 18 March 2014, 13:34:36
Let's see what comes out to be the best solution, worst case scenario is I will have to get new cases cut.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 18 March 2014, 13:39:23
Not even entire new cases, just the part that is at the same level as the PCB.  The rest of the layers don't have to change.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 18 March 2014, 13:43:44
Not even entire new cases, just the part that is at the same level as the PCB.  The rest of the layers don't have to change.

I think they do, reason is since the PCB requires 2mm extension on all sides, and we use the same base and top (case was 5 layers, 3 iddle, base and top), screw hole positions must remain same, it means the inner wall between bolt holes and PCB edge will get dangerously thin on the middle layers. :(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 18 March 2014, 13:49:41
Oh, right
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 29 March 2014, 17:07:57
Got the qazpad case today ;D

And yes its too small :-[

Moz what is your plan for the new cases? I am willing to pay for the new case to be made.

Meanwhile I can do some kind of direct solder project with the case :))
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 29 March 2014, 17:19:56
I can get new cases cut, priced slightly lower at $20, without any of the hardware (Stand-offs, screws, rubber feet) since you already have them.

If everyone is cool with it, we can get this done with real quick.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 29 March 2014, 17:23:54
I can get new cases cut, priced slightly lower at $20, without any of the hardware (Stand-offs, screws, rubber feet) since you already have them.

If everyone is cool with it, we can get this done with real quick.

I'm cool with that. Just make sure they work with your own pcb :))
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 29 March 2014, 17:36:58
Haha, I sincerely have no idea what went wrong in the previous design, and it is the first time I have had such an issue with any of the cases I have designed thus far. I will quadruple check this time to make sure all the dimensions are correct before producing the final version.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 29 March 2014, 19:06:35
I missed the post today so I'll not have a look until Monday.  I'm going to try and hack it. Nothing to lose, really.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 29 March 2014, 19:09:34
You do have two cases to experiment with :D
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 29 March 2014, 19:28:12
I missed the post today so I'll not have a look until Monday.  I'm going to try and hack it. Nothing to lose, really.

Sweet, if it works, please let us know.

It should work, as the pcb pretty much goes flush to the hex bolts. But I don't have the proper tools to make cuts that precise to mod my case for now
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:05:22
Uh so I was putting on PCB mounted cherry stabs. For all the stabs except the inner stab on the "extended"  part of the numpad the holes are in the wrong direction. The big holes are the sides with the wire, and with PCB mounted stabs, the stab wire goes in the position of the diode. I broke a diode trying to put the stab in with these holes. Tried reversing it but alas pcb mounted stabs don't like it that way.

Anyways, I was fiddling around with the board and realized that if you just completely take out the second to top layer, you can get the whole thing put together. Its a bit tight and ugly having that empty space, but it works. The PCB sits on the middle layer.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 30 March 2014, 00:45:14
That's exactly what I ended up doing... two layers, the PCB, then the other layers.

(http://i.imgur.com/bxOyAMO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MvzPyQT.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/BcFU26G.jpg)

The clean features make it look like a baby Quickfire XT... and I really need to dust said XT.

I'll have to throw some 2x caps on the keys and see if it's gonna be necessary to add stabilizers; I hope, if necessary, I can add platemount stabilizers after the fact.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 30 March 2014, 01:38:56
oh **** sweet

I'm going to go for two layer PCB then plate (if it fits). Looks great hak foo, I'll try to get mine built soon

moz, I probally won't need to get a new case seeing that this method works
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 30 March 2014, 04:03:37
Interesting, I think maybe we can get the missing layer done only. The inner part between the standoff hole and the edge will be thin,  but the pressure from the layers below and above should hold it in place. Time to do some experiment.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 30 March 2014, 08:12:54
Uh so I was putting on PCB mounted cherry stabs. For all the stabs except the inner stab on the "extended"  part of the numpad the holes are in the wrong direction. The big holes are the sides with the wire, and with PCB mounted stabs, the stab wire goes in the position of the diode. I broke a diode trying to put the stab in with these holes. Tried reversing it but alas pcb mounted stabs don't like it that way.

Anyways, I was fiddling around with the board and realized that if you just completely take out the second to top layer, you can get the whole thing put together. Its a bit tight and ugly having that empty space, but it works. The PCB sits on the middle layer.

The hits keep on coming! *facepalm*  the solution will be to install those diodes upside-down
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 30 March 2014, 11:44:08
Uh so I was putting on PCB mounted cherry stabs. For all the stabs except the inner stab on the "extended"  part of the numpad the holes are in the wrong direction. The big holes are the sides with the wire, and with PCB mounted stabs, the stab wire goes in the position of the diode. I broke a diode trying to put the stab in with these holes. Tried reversing it but alas pcb mounted stabs don't like it that way.

Anyways, I was fiddling around with the board and realized that if you just completely take out the second to top layer, you can get the whole thing put together. Its a bit tight and ugly having that empty space, but it works. The PCB sits on the middle layer.

The hits keep on coming! *facepalm*  the solution will be to install those diodes upside-down

Yea that's what I figured. Already desoldered and resoldered.

Moz, I'm sure the pressure will hold it in. Also, that section has nowhere to go, so it should stay in place with minimal wobble

Another issue with pcb mounted stabs is because the plate is so thick, the stabs don't let the plate go down enough and the switch lies a little too high. I can still solder in switches no problems, but its not sitting like it should. Its minor, as the stabs can still work with the higher switches, so I don't think it'll be an issue
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 30 March 2014, 12:42:30
That is a known issue and was discovered by whiskytango for the ghpad.

Since this case was made after that, the error could not be corrected.

I actually made a thread on this topic when I started designing acrylic plates, the interaction of acrylic plates and stabilizers.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 30 March 2014, 12:46:16
Its nothing too bad. As long as the acrylic plate holds the switches solid enough, it'll work

Thanks for all your hard work Moz on making cases for all these projects. :thumb:
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 30 March 2014, 19:17:13
(http://imgur.com/YUHRPu6)

Oh yea :cool:

bottom layer, 2nd to bottom, PCB, open air, top layer. Not very structurally sound but works :p
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 30 March 2014, 19:27:28
Need side view
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 30 March 2014, 19:36:49
http://imgur.com/a/trXLE
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 31 March 2014, 00:13:04
Ok I figured out the optimal way to do everything. After doing the previous design as pictured, I realized there was a huge gap between the plate and PCB and I had an extra layer in the middle that I decided to go without to make the whole thing sit lower. As the plate was already soldered, I broke the layer in half, stuck it between the pcb and plate, and then reassembled. Now its plate layer pcb layer bottom with almost no air and feels very solid. I will post pictures tomorrow but I'm satisfied for everything except this cut in one layer (which is minor but slightly annoying as I suck at cutting things)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 31 March 2014, 22:19:48
My current firmware setup:


Default:
[attachimg=1]

Fn toggle (gaming layout)
[attachimg=2]

Fn2 is being worked on, going to be bootloader stuff and general other keys that aren't used as often but still important
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 01 April 2014, 06:58:23
Pictures looking really great guys!  Pacifist, do you have a bigger one of your avatar?  It looks really sweet
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 01 April 2014, 07:54:19
Did you pickup your order Qaz?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:11:57
I'm in line at the post office now.  Huge line, nobody working the desks.  F'ing government...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:13:46
I'm in line at the post office now.  Huge line, nobody working the desks.  F'ing government...

Preaching to the choir bro
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:17:08
I received my case yesterday. Thanks MOZ!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:23:32
Welcome, looking forward to built pads.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 01 April 2014, 13:51:51
Pictures looking really great guys!  Pacifist, do you have a bigger one of your avatar?  It looks really sweet

I will take better ones tomorrow. Every time I have a chance to take a pic, its too dark out :'(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 03 April 2014, 00:58:26
Fun with LEDs with the new case I got today.  Looking forward to getting that layer or two fixed.  That or I'll see if I can fix it manually.

(http://i.imgur.com/GXEBoeY.jpg)

I missed a solder point, but it's mostly together, just missing stabs and a few small things...like a cap set.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 03 April 2014, 05:10:54
Wow.  Much nice. How?

Can you post a side shot so I can see which layers need recut.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 03 April 2014, 09:08:54
Wow.  Much nice. How?

Can you post a side shot so I can see which layers need recut.

Holes man, holes.  They go both ways.

I'll do that later.  The layer beneath the top layer definitely needs to be re-cut and the middle layer may need to be recut, but I' need to see a proper 2nd layer first to see if it needs to be cut down.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 03 April 2014, 13:27:32
Here is HakFoo's case side view:
(http://i.imgur.com/MvzPyQT.jpg)

And Pacifist's:
(http://i.imgur.com/zgE9hUX.jpg)

Now, HakFoo was able to it fit two layers on top and two below PCB, and Pacifist only one on top and two below. The difference arises due to thickness of the actual acrylic in the two cases.

Alright, so I think one of the middle layers with the USB cutout should work fine for everybody. Now, I was seeing if this would work and it should, however the inner wall between screw hole and PCB cutout will be almost negligible, and as stated earlier, this should be a non-issue because of pressure from above and below layers. But shipping will be and they might break easily. So what I propose of everyone is okay with this is that I have the correct size cutout for the PCB but near the holes, I will have tabs so they are as thick as earlier and you can file those 2-3mm tabs down. I will also suggest everyone take two of these layers.

Now for the colors:
- Most people had clear matte or black matte except jdcarpe, Pacifist, metalliqaz.
- jdcarpe, you had orange layer just below the top, would you be fine in using all clear matte? I can get you two layers in the amended design and one in the older design (To replace bottom orange). Or do you want to go with the orange? Please PM me.
- Pacifist, I don't see you using the pink layer! I think if we get you the clear matte layer to go below the top, then you can sandwich your pink layer there.
- metalliqaz, one of your cases was white, so how do you want to proceed?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 03 April 2014, 15:08:04
I got two on top and two on bottom. But doing so I purposely broke the layer above the pcb (as I already soldered the plate to the switches)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 03 April 2014, 15:12:43
But where's the pink layer? Or is that the one you broke?

What I want to know is what do you need to make your case 100% complete?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 03 April 2014, 15:19:35
The red layer is now below the blue top layer and that is the one I broke

All I need is one layer that is around the thickness of the PCB. I can live with the broken red layer for now
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 03 April 2014, 15:36:17
Clear matte will do?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 03 April 2014, 22:26:07
Moz, how many of the longer screws were we supposed to get?  I only got 4 of them.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 03 April 2014, 22:28:03
Clear matte will do?

Could we do blue?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 03 April 2014, 22:28:58
You only need two, those were for the feet, I put in two extra. For the case itself, the small ones are enough,
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 03 April 2014, 22:42:05
Ok.  I was asking because the short ones seem to barely reach the brass f/f standoff , so I didn't know if it was supposed to have one side with longer ones.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Limewirelord on Fri, 04 April 2014, 18:19:16
So is the case acryllic sheets only or is there a complete 3-D model?  I've got some free 3D printing I can get off of someone and need a keypad to go along with my CODE I'm getting in the mail soon, even if it is a cheaply printed one.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 06:26:59
Ok.  I was asking because the short ones seem to barely reach the brass f/f standoff , so I didn't know if it was supposed to have one side with longer ones.

You might have to slightly adjust the position of the brass so it sits in a way that it is able to grasp both the screws tight enough, but it can, I tested most of the cases.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 06:54:30
Here is the fixed layer:

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 07 April 2014, 01:31:12
Honestly, I'm fine without a replacement layer, so don't bother making one for me.

Here's a shot with caps... disposing of some of my Crap Bag DSA stuff.

(http://i.imgur.com/2CYgrnn.jpg)

Really, only the top row has a serious use-- Menu, Fn, play-pause, previous. next. mute... and the volume up/down  and "Bass Boost" on the left column.  The main numpad area is left as default but covered with awesome legends.

The FMA caps are the three backlight control keys, and the blank 2xs are left as the defaults.

Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 07 April 2014, 01:43:12
As you say, I am happy you are enjoying it! :)

So, who needs replacements? So far:
- Moz: One middle layer - clear matte
- JDCarpe: Custom design - clear matte 3 layers
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 07 April 2014, 18:38:51
I won't need a layer

going to get a 3d printer in ~a month and going to 3D print what I need
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 07 April 2014, 18:59:13
3d printer, niiice
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 07 April 2014, 20:24:40
I took a dremel to mine and then block sanded the layer to make it useable.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 07 April 2014, 20:42:09
I was planning to do the dremel thing also.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: zeroni13 on Wed, 23 April 2014, 05:05:52
Any chance to get my hands on one of these?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 23 April 2014, 13:11:50
Any chance to get my hands on one of these?

I have ordered new ATmega32U4 chips so I should be able to build up the last few examples in the remaining weeks.  I've been getting flooded with requests for PCBs, so I'm not sure how the last three should be divided up.  I could also run another batch if there's enough interest.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Vibex on Wed, 23 April 2014, 13:16:17
Any chance to get my hands on one of these?

I have ordered new ATmega32U4 chips so I should be able to build up the last few examples in the remaining weeks.  I've been getting flooded with requests for PCBs, so I'm not sure how the last three should be divided up.  I could also run another batch if there's enough interest.
I'm interested in one, but I'm willing to wait until the second batch though since a bunch of people probably asked before me.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: EppyKay on Thu, 24 April 2014, 13:13:39
If you do another round, I would be interested in one. This looks like a cool device.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 07 May 2014, 18:07:18
Can anybody make me an STL file for this? Don't understand blender and all I got was nothing :'(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Smasher816 on Wed, 07 May 2014, 21:30:49
People need to stop changing their avatars. I recognize some people here by picture not name :)

If it was not for this thread and seeing the Numpad picture in the OP I would not have remembered who metalliqaz was.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 07 May 2014, 21:32:10
btw sp is selling those dsa dolch numpad sets for $10...perfect for qazpad. Plus I bought 12 windowed caps for the other macros
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: James35 on Tue, 13 May 2014, 14:03:51
I'd like to build a qazpad.  Where can I purchase the PCB, case, and other essential qazpad components? I like the design of the one nubbinator posted.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 13 May 2014, 14:11:44
At the moment, nowhere.  I'm trying to find the time to build up the last few boards for sale, but it is slow going.

Perhaps I will create an [IC] thread for a round 2.  I have had many requests about it.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Vibex on Tue, 13 May 2014, 14:13:27
At the moment, nowhere.  I'm trying to find the time to build up the last few boards for sale, but it is slow going.

Perhaps I will create an [IC] thread for a round 2.  I have had many requests about it.
I'd be in for one if you do an interest check. ;)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 13 May 2014, 17:44:28
Can anybody make me an STL file for this? Don't understand blender and all I got was nothing :'(

Anybody? My CAD is ****. Just need the middle layer that has been revised
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: feizor on Sat, 17 May 2014, 06:13:21
At the moment, nowhere.  I'm trying to find the time to build up the last few boards for sale, but it is slow going.

Perhaps I will create an [IC] thread for a round 2.  I have had many requests about it.
I'd be in for one if you do an interest check. ;)

I would also be in.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: darknessaven on Sat, 17 May 2014, 20:45:21
At the moment, nowhere.  I'm trying to find the time to build up the last few boards for sale, but it is slow going.

Perhaps I will create an [IC] thread for a round 2.  I have had many requests about it.

I would be in for a round 2 qazpad
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 20 May 2014, 22:26:48
Can anybody make me an STL file for this? Don't understand blender and all I got was nothing :'(

Anybody? My CAD is ****. Just need the middle layer that has been revised

Comeon, somebody must be better than me at CAD work...I'm absolute ****. I NEED DIS QAZPAD FULLY FUNCTIONAL :'(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: James35 on Wed, 21 May 2014, 03:06:03
I can do CAD, but I've never done PCB work with it. Is that what you need, a PCB construction?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 24 May 2014, 17:10:37
I can do CAD, but I've never done PCB work with it. Is that what you need, a PCB construction?

Its for the case work, no PCB work. Just need a revised middle layer
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: James35 on Sat, 24 May 2014, 17:16:36
Sure, I can help with that.  I'll send you a PM.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: James35 on Wed, 28 May 2014, 14:14:40
I've attached the DXF and STL CAD version of the fixed "Standard border" layer in case anyone else wants it.
[attachimg=1]
[attachurl=2]
[attachurl=3]
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: James35 on Thu, 17 July 2014, 16:21:22
metalliqaz,
 Any progress on making a new batch for sale?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: njfn on Fri, 18 July 2014, 11:01:47
i'm in for the 2nd round of qazpad
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: James35 on Fri, 15 August 2014, 14:31:44
By the lack of response, I'm assuming this project is dead for now. :(
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 15 August 2014, 15:35:25
Based on my current life situation, I think that we can call this one completed.

Please refer to this project instead: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61306.0
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 18 June 2015, 15:52:30
Two years too late. Crap. And this looks like the ultimate numpad for me. Just in case there's a round 2, I'd be interested. Otherwise, I'll check out that last link.

Dag nabbit...
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Sat, 10 October 2015, 20:47:03
Is it still possible to build one of these using the files available in this thread?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 11 October 2015, 05:33:10
Yes, it is possible, though not for beginners.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Mon, 12 October 2015, 15:01:34
Yes, it is possible, though not for beginners.

The hardest part appears to be the PCB.  You shared the gerbers (thanks for that) -- isn't that all I need to get some boards printed?

I can have MOZ-style cases cut locally so that's no big deal.  Do you think he would share his DXF files with me?

This is exactly the kind of project I need right now.  :D  Note: this is strictly personal use.  I'm not looking to start a GB or anything.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:35:44
Yes, it is possible, though not for beginners.

I'm looking at the Gerbers and it appears everything is here.  Does the version you shared here include the missing GND you noted on Page 4?

Also, would you be willing to share a short parts list?  Mainly I'm just looking for the Molex part number for the MUSB connector so I can order it, and if there's a specific flavor of ATmega32U4 I should be shopping for.

Sorry to keep bumping an old project.  Just looking for information... Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 22 October 2015, 20:42:34
Yes, it is possible, though not for beginners.

I'm looking at the Gerbers and it appears everything is here.  Does the version you shared here include the missing GND you noted on Page 4?

Also, would you be willing to share a short parts list?  Mainly I'm just looking for the Molex part number for the MUSB connector so I can order it, and if there's a specific flavor of ATmega32U4 I should be shopping for.

Sorry to keep bumping an old project.  Just looking for information... Thanks.  :)

I believe the final posted version includes fixes for the known problems.  I think I can find a parts list, let me look....


ATmega32u4 microcontroller   (1)   ATMEGA32U4-AU-ND
USB Connector   (1)   WM5461CT-ND
10uF Tantalum Cap 1206   (1)   399-3684-1-ND
Crystal 16MHz   (1)   535-10907-1-ND
MMBT2222A NPN transistor   (3)   MMBT2222ATPMSCT-ND
22 ohm Resistor 0603   (2)   P22GCT-ND
1k Resistor 0603   (1)   P1.0KGCT-ND
10pF Capacitor 0603   (2)   1276-1027-1-ND
0.1uf Capacitor 0603   (4)   445-1316-1-ND
1uF Capacitor 0603   (1)   445-1604-1-ND
Diode 1206   (31)   1N4148W-FDICT-ND
470 ohm Resistor 0603 for LED   (31)   P470GCT-ND
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 22 October 2015, 20:44:17
hmm, you know, I may have some unused PCBs in my basement.  I'll give a look around
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 22 October 2015, 21:50:14
hmm, you know, I may have some unused PCBs in my basement.  I'll give a look around

YES, PLEASE!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Thu, 22 October 2015, 22:04:07
hmm, you know, I may have some unused PCBs in my basement.  I'll give a look around

Well that would be crazy in the best way.   :cool:

Thanks for the parts list.  It's more than I anticipated needing.  Good to know.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Fri, 06 November 2015, 19:04:21
Anything turn up in the basement?  :p
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Mon, 14 March 2016, 12:59:28
Rise, thread!  RISE!

Forgive the bump.  Did any leftover PCBs ever turn up, metalliqaz?  Still interested in making one of these someday.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: romevi on Mon, 14 March 2016, 13:00:04
Rise, thread!  RISE!

Forgive the bump.  Did any leftover PCBs ever turn up, metalliqaz?  Still interested in making one of these someday.

You and me both, brother!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 14 March 2016, 13:28:39
Yes, I have two of them, but they aren't built.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 14 March 2016, 13:42:39
I'll also upload the case files this weekend. Promise.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 14 March 2016, 13:52:51
I'll also upload the case files this weekend. Promise.
Wasn't there a problem with the pcb not fitting or something?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: romevi on Mon, 14 March 2016, 13:56:48
I can wait, if necessary.  :cool:
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 14 March 2016, 14:38:07
I'll also upload the case files this weekend. Promise.
Wasn't there a problem with the pcb not fitting or something?

That was for the first round, that I sent, I had correct the issue, and should have the corrected version somewhere, just have to clean up the file and make it presentable.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Mon, 14 March 2016, 16:19:37
Yes, I have two of them, but they aren't built.

Does that mean the controller isn't soldered?  I'd be willing to do that part myself (though I've never done one before) if you don't have the time.  The PCBs were going to be the greatest expense/headache for me (just getting them fabricated) so if you've got one you'd be willing to sell me you'd be doing me a huge favor and saving me a lot of time already.  But if you've also got the components and you want to stick them on there I won't argue.  :D

I'm just thrilled that you found them.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 14 March 2016, 19:18:47
Yes, I have two of them, but they aren't built.

Does that mean the controller isn't soldered?  I'd be willing to do that part myself (though I've never done one before) if you don't have the time.  The PCBs were going to be the greatest expense/headache for me (just getting them fabricated) so if you've got one you'd be willing to sell me you'd be doing me a huge favor and saving me a lot of time already.  But if you've also got the components and you want to stick them on there I won't argue.  :D

I'm just thrilled that you found them.

Yes, they will require all the SMD soldering to put together.  The controller is tough for newbies, but that isn't even the biggest problem.

The initial run of boards was defective.  There were three issues.

The result is that I doubt that anyone else will be able to build these things.  Unfortunately, work keeps me very busy and my time typically goes for $50/hr.  I'll try and get these out if I have time, but at the very least I'd have to sell them for something like $45.  (a substantial discount)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Mon, 14 March 2016, 20:24:26
Yes, I have two of them, but they aren't built.

Does that mean the controller isn't soldered?  I'd be willing to do that part myself (though I've never done one before) if you don't have the time.  The PCBs were going to be the greatest expense/headache for me (just getting them fabricated) so if you've got one you'd be willing to sell me you'd be doing me a huge favor and saving me a lot of time already.  But if you've also got the components and you want to stick them on there I won't argue.  :D

I'm just thrilled that you found them.

Yes, they will require all the SMD soldering to put together.  The controller is tough for newbies, but that isn't even the biggest problem.

The initial run of boards was defective.  There were three issues.
  • The silkscreen on the back wasn't printed, so there is no guide for which parts go where.  This is fairly easy to work around by using the gerber plots as a guide.
  • The LED driver transistors are wired wrong.  This means that the parts have to be installed upside-down by bending their pins.
  • The GND pads on the clock chip aren't connected.  This is the hardest to work around.  Some of the solder mask has to be scraped off near one of the pads, then a bridge constructed with some small wire.  It's ugly and easy to make a mistake.

The result is that I doubt that anyone else will be able to build these things.  Unfortunately, work keeps me very busy and my time typically goes for $50/hr.  I'll try and get these out if I have time, but at the very least I'd have to sell them for something like $45.  (a substantial discount)
Did you say these problems were fixed in the most recent gerbers? It might still be easier to just have a few boards printed. Would you be OK with me selling a few excess PCBs at cost to help cover the expense of having them made?  The controller soldering would still be a challenge. I dunno what to do.  :p
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: romevi on Mon, 14 March 2016, 20:27:53
I'm...still down for one.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:17:51
Did you say these problems were fixed in the most recent gerbers? It might still be easier to just have a few boards printed. Would you be OK with me selling a few excess PCBs at cost to help cover the expense of having them made?  The controller soldering would still be a challenge. I dunno what to do.  :p

The problems were fixed, yes.

If a new run is made it should be done as a Group Buy rather than for profit.  However, don't underestimate how much work it takes to build these.  Just getting all the correct parts together is a chore, and the soldering is tedious.  I struggled to fill just a few orders when I did it.
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: Data on Thu, 17 March 2016, 18:20:28
Yeah I wouldn't do anything for profit. If I had to get new PCBs printed I'd probably make 5-7 to get the lowest price per board and sell 3-5 of them at cost just to keep my out of pocket expenses down. Last time I looked at having some boards made it was the same overall price to make 7 as it was too make 1.

I know there are some companies who'll solder components for you too. I wonder if that's worth the trouble. Just spitballing at this point. I didn't come into this thread expecting you to do any work.  :p
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 19:07:02
:)
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 22 April 2016, 13:36:56
I'm down for one!  This looks like a cool project!
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 22 April 2016, 13:46:14
I'm down for one!  This looks like a cool project!
Sorry, this project is dead. :( Maybe the GH36 can work for you?
Title: Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 22 April 2016, 14:35:37
I have one, that I never got around to building. I don't have the case with me anymore. It's just like it came from metalliqaz. If anyone is interested, PM me.