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Title: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:34:05
This is where I show you my 40% design. I haven't finished this lovely little keyboard, yet, but here is what I have so far. :D


First build, thanks to TheFlyingRaccoon!:

(http://i.imgur.com/jqLlSZU.jpg)
Photo courtesy of TheFlyingRaccoon

(http://i.imgur.com/54PcdY7.jpg)

On my first attempt, the metal shop bent the "legs" up instead of down, so the layout was reversed. I decided to go ahead with it, and direct wire the thing.

Wait, but those are DSA Retro caps on there, aren't they? Yes, they certainly are. That's right, when I placed my order during matt3o's (and samwisekoi's) DSA Retro GB, I specifically ordered the exact keycap blanks I would need for this 40% keyboard of mine.

This is how my first attempt it would look in its correct form:

(http://i.imgur.com/o2OWghN.jpg)

Nice, eh?




Layered stainless steel case:

(http://i.imgur.com/98P81nu.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/cYq0Ca6.jpg)

All credit for the case design idea goes to matt3o. This is my tiny homage to his Steel Beauty.




Original plate idea for this design:

(http://i.imgur.com/hZfrAjy.png)




Layout:

(http://i.imgur.com/FHn851M.png)

I still need to work on the function layers for this layout, to include numbers, punctuation, etc.




Alternate layout:

(http://i.imgur.com/RSwURdz.jpg)




Function layout:

(http://i.imgur.com/Ez0Ruct.jpg)




PCB:

(http://i.imgur.com/JXndgfE.png)

What?!?! Yes.   :))

I am forever indebted to Regack for designing this PCB for me. Thank you so much, Regack.

As you can see from the front silkscreen, credit is also due to Dox, bpiphany, and komar007. I was inspired by each of them to make my own design.

Also, a nod to kmiller8, who independently came up with an idea for a 40% keyboard right about the same time I had my idea. He even incorporated my design's elements into his PCB brainstorming session.  :thumb:

This keyboard is hereby named the SmallFry Keyboard, in honor of our friend.

Keycap stuff:

Jdcarpe, can you post the keycaps needed specifically for the 40%, and add that info to the OP. I'd like them to be added to every future GB.

Sure.

Row 2: 1u Esc, 1u Del or Backspace
Row 3: 1.25u Tab, 1.75u Return or Enter
Row 4: 1.75u Shift, 1.25u Shift, 1u Fn
Row 4 (SA Row 3): 1.25u Ctrl, 1u Win or Del, 1u Alt; optional layout: 1.25u >., 1.25u ?/

Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:34:20
Reserved.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:35:11
I like what I'm seeing ;)
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: kenmai9 on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:35:46
Trippy. Do you have a layout yet? Please post :D
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:36:32
Very interesting!  I'd love to see this with a legend mock up to have an idea how you would map the layout :)
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: lazerpointer on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:37:11
Not a fan of lower than TKL usually, but this little thing has got something about it that's really appealing.

Dat fullsize space bar though
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: naokira on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:38:24
Lovely little thing! Though I can't imagine typing on it would be comfortable for me. WP!
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:39:43
OMG I want at least two!!!
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Michael on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:44:06
Pretty cool.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheQsanity on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:44:48
Wtf? Modifiers? Get rid of those!we don't need em!
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: elton5354 on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:47:17
Kawaii. Definitely interested.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: neoezekiel on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:55:05
That is a beauty, I am sooo jelly.  :thumb:
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: kenmai9 on Fri, 16 August 2013, 11:58:36
Are you programming other layers or do you just hve the one?
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:00:39
Are you programming other layers or do you just hve the one?

Definitely will need multiple layers for numbers, punctuation, etc.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: kenmai9 on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:01:02
Are you programming other layers or do you just hve the one?

Definitely will need multiple layers for numbers, punctuation, etc.

Yeah I think we were wondering what your other layers were, too :D
But it seems you'll get to that.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:06:42
Hehehe, I got to see these plates before jdcarpe did since Beast brought em to the last Chicago meet. Very very cool. Happy to see it got completed :D
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:13:33
Hehehe, I got to see these plates before jdcarpe did since Beast brought em to the last Chicago meet. Very very cool. Happy to see it got completed :D

Nothing is complete, good sir. It was just time to share this with the community.

Also, the original plate you saw was destroyed during the initial bending process/testing. :( This bent plate was a result of a second run, made by the local metals shop. :)
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:14:16
I offer my services in betatesting.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:21:20
I offer my services in betatesting.

man pulease....jd can slip one in my box when he send it pack and it won't cost him anything since I'll be paying for shipping anyways.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: agodinhost on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:34:09
I liked it!
Awesome size.
 :)

Are you planning any GB?
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:43:10
I liked the bent metal plate/case when you showed it to me but the Steel Beauty case looks even cooler! Keep up the good work  :thumb:
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:46:11
I'll pay for shipping to me and back to him as well.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:47:42
this is absolutely wonderful so far
i'll be your guinea pig ;)
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:52:12
The first time since a long time that I want a mx board...

Where can I throw my last money?
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:54:14
that is so amazing sir, i want
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: hcry4 on Fri, 16 August 2013, 12:56:22
Nice mini board. I will want a few of these for my collection.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: boost on Fri, 16 August 2013, 13:27:36
That's pretty cool...I WANT ONE!!!
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 16 August 2013, 13:33:06
I want to pinch its widdle cheeks.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Glod on Fri, 16 August 2013, 13:48:50
yes, i want a mechanical keyboard i can keep in jacket pocket :D
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Binge on Fri, 16 August 2013, 14:25:56
As long as I can make this CMYK, I'm game.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 16 August 2013, 14:29:11
yes, i want a mechanical keyboard i can keep in jacket pocket :D

I dunno if it's that small...

I think that you should remove the right shift and give us a comma. I never use the right shift.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:12:58
It's roughly 3"x9" from the images
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:16:38
It's roughly 3"x9" from the images

Well that's suitably mind blowing. I'm still trying to visualize how small that is, even with the help of a ruler.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:36:13
This would be great with a slim sturdy case. It would be great if the case was designed with a higher lip around the sides to protect the keys during transportation. And a custom top part of the car can be made to protect the keys and switches during transport.
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MTManiac on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:47:06
absolutely ****ing amazing  :eek: :eek: :eek:

props to everyone who worked on this

when you get all the kinks worked out I have a feeling these will sell like hot cakes!

(I know I'm definitely buying one if you do a GB)

Once again, GREAT JOB!!!!!

3x9 would fit in my jacket easily and make for a sick portable kb for my laptop
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:47:37
This looks amazing, make me a beta tester already :D
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:59:25
There seems to be a distinct lack of the name "Moose" on this PCB...
Title: Re: jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Sent on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:09:15
Pretty much echoing what everyone else already said.  It's amazing and I want one.  Nao.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:13:26
I gave this keyboard a suitable name.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:14:49
I gave this keyboard a suitable name.

So fitting!!!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:16:16
I gave this keyboard a suitable name.

RESPECT!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:18:10
I gave this keyboard a suitable name.

A very fitting name!  SmallFry would have loved it :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheQsanity on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:33:39
A "Small" keyboard for SmallFry. <3
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MTManiac on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:41:33
I gave this keyboard a suitable name.

(http://media.tumblr.com/f722aa9493a1532be5479525848e9bc1/tumblr_inline_mfd3t0Vl061qiv5yk.gif)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mtl on Fri, 16 August 2013, 19:27:15
Adorable.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 19:28:24
Why not stamp SmallFry's name on every other thing we create, so it sells? Excellent business idea!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 16 August 2013, 19:36:06
Why not stamp SmallFry's name on every other thing we create, so it sells? Excellent business idea!
Please stop whatever you are doing.


jdcarpe, as you already know I absolutely love it.  :)  It's so darn cute.  Echoing others' thoughts, I'm curious about the fn layer and how regular typing will be.  I look forward to updates!  :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 16 August 2013, 19:37:19
Why not stamp SmallFry's name on every other thing we create, so it sells? Excellent business idea!

>.<  I believe this is a personal statement by JD, as he liked Smallfry a lot and they were friendly.  It's not about selling stuff or business ideas.  Not to mention, this is JD's thread for his own project, so he can do and call it whatever he wants.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: bueller on Fri, 16 August 2013, 19:59:01
Why not stamp SmallFry's name on every other thing we create, so it sells? Excellent business idea!
Please stop whatever you are doing.

Nicely put.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:00:04
I'm doing what? Spamming? I've only just been doing it for a few months.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: bueller on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:03:52
I'm doing what? Spamming? I've only just been doing it for a few months.

Making out like jdcarpe is using SmallFry's name in vain. They were good friends, he can call his custom keyboard whatever the hell he likes.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:06:51
I'm doing what? Spamming? I've only just been doing it for a few months.

Making out like jdcarpe is using SmallFry's name in vain. They were good friends, he can call his custom keyboard whatever the hell he likes.
And I can give my opinion.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:07:31
I'm doing what? Spamming? I've only just been doing it for a few months.

Making out like jdcarpe is using SmallFry's name in vain. They were good friends, he can call his custom keyboard whatever the hell he likes.
And I can give my opinion.

This sin't the appropriate place for that.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Michael on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:09:05
When is this gonna happen? I don't like MX at all, but I am sure going to get one of these.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:10:33
When is this gonna happen? I don't like MX at all, but I am sure going to get one of these.

I'm confused, there is MX and then then there is Cherry MX?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:10:43
When is this gonna happen? I don't like MX at all, but I am sure going to get one of these.

FINALLY we're back on topic.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:11:49
When is this gonna happen? I don't like MX at all, but I am sure going to get one of these.

I'm confused, there is MX and then then there is Cherry MX?

Are you spamming? It's like the difference between Blackwidow and RAZER Blackwidow.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: digi on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:13:10
JD, very cool of you to dedicate this build to SmallFry, well done sir.  :thumb:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:13:44
When is this gonna happen? I don't like MX at all, but I am sure going to get one of these.

I'm confused, there is MX and then then there is Cherry MX?

Are you spamming? It's like the difference between Blackwidow and RAZER Blackwidow.
So Cherry is the company that makes MX?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:14:53
When is this gonna happen? I don't like MX at all, but I am sure going to get one of these.

I'm confused, there is MX and then then there is Cherry MX?

Are you spamming? It's like the difference between Blackwidow and RAZER Blackwidow.
So Cherry is the company that makes MX?
YOU DON'T SAY!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:28:59
I'm doing what? Spamming? I've only just been doing it for a few months.

Your comment comes off as rude. I'm trying to showcase my work on this new design, while paying tribute to my friend. I never even mentioned anything about selling anything.

In fact, I'm not really interested in making money here. That's why I'm not a vendor. Maybe one day I can fulfill my dream of making a living by designing and producing keyboards, but for now it is simply a hobby, and this community is my haven and source of recreation.

SmallFry was my friend, and I don't think he would have objected to my naming this keyboard project in his honor.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: bueller on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:30:46
Back OT. Nice work JD, how are you finding the function layers?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:33:10
Hmm...

MediumFry-60%

LargeFry-TKL

MegaFry-Full size!

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:34:12
But it is true that things get more attention and money if you stamp "SmallFry" on it, ethical or not.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:41:02
Hmm...

MediumFry-60%

LargeFry-TKL

MegaFry-Full size!



This made me smile, because I know the story of how SmallFry got his moniker. Others who are "in the know" would probably know what I mean.

For everyone interested in making this a reality, I am currently in the middle of the GH60 GB, so this will probably have to wait a bit. I would also like to see the Alps TKL happen. But if someone else wants to take the reins and make moves, I would be willing to assist with what I have so far.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:43:28
But it is true that things get more attention and money if you stamp "SmallFry" on it, ethical or not.

If you want to discuss this via PM, I will. But I'm done talking to you about it in my thread. Please feel free to excuse yourself out of my thread, as well.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: bueller on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:45:08
But it is true that things get more attention and money if you stamp "SmallFry" on it, ethical or not.

If you want to discuss this via PM, I will. But I'm done talking to you about it in my thread. Please feel free to excuse yourself out of my thread, as well.

Classy as always  :thumb:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 16 August 2013, 20:49:27
Hmm...

MediumFry-60%

LargeFry-TKL

MegaFry-Full size!



This made me smile, because I know the story of how SmallFry got his moniker. Others who are "in the know" would probably know what I mean.

For everyone interested in making this a reality, I am currently in the middle of the GH60 GB, so this will probably have to wait a bit. I would also like to see the Alps TKL happen. But if someone else wants to take the reins and make moves, I would be willing to assist with what I have so far.

What about a 40% alps :eek:

And I remember the discussion in the username thread. ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Michael on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:00:13
But it is true that things get more attention and money if you stamp "SmallFry" on it, ethical or not.


Please go take your meds and lie down for a while.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:02:26
This is awesome jd! Good work so far bro :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:06:29
Yeahhh I'm gonna need one of these if there's ever a buy.  Nice work to all involved!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Jhors2 on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:08:13
I would love one of these things as well!  I love the ultra minimalist design :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:10:15
would like to do a run of these pcbs and a second run of gh60 pcbs at the same time, but this one is going to need some slight modification for pick and placed diodes and controller. also i'd like to unify the controller design with the gh60 so that the bom is the same (it is basically just a teensy OG).

this should keep costs down. i imagine the_beast's guy will do the steel, and i'm not sure how he scales at the moment. will chat about this with folks tomorrow.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:13:17
This is quite excellent, and sold or open-source, I know I would love one of these to pop into my laptop bag for on the move.

And sorry sir for my misbehavior.

Bro Caps, I am not on meds :P
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Michael on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:15:21


Bro Caps, I am not on meds :p


(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/300x/1139490.jpg)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:30:18
would like to do a run of these pcbs and a second run of gh60 pcbs at the same time, but this one is going to need some slight modification for pick and placed diodes and controller. also i'd like to unify the controller design with the gh60 so that the bom is the same (it is basically just a teensy OG).

this should keep costs down. i imagine the_beast's guy will do the steel, and i'm not sure how he scales at the moment. will chat about this with folks tomorrow.

That would be awesome. The solder pads for the diodes are a just bit too small as the PCB exists today, but I didn't want to bug Regack with that. But pick-and-place with presoldered diodes and controller would definitely be the way to go for a GB-sized run.

Also, if The_Beast's guy doesn't work out for plates, WFD's guy can surely take an order if there is any kind of volume. We would just need to work up some kind of case design before plate dimensions are finalized. There are currently no holes in the PCB for standoff mounting (nor for PCB-mount stabs). :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:39:34
if we do a large enough run we could actually bring IMS (industrial metal supply) in. IMS is local to both WFD and i (actually about halfway between the two of us) and has and extremely nice 6-axis laser that can be used to bevel, chamfer and otherwise make this case work as cleanly as possible on very hard, very high strength alloys for a ridiculously solid feel to the board, despite its small size.

jdcarpe, do you know how regack feels about open sourcing his pcb design? (ugh, we really do need this geekhack OS-DEVICE license written yesterday...)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: KaLam1ty on Fri, 16 August 2013, 22:40:13
While I don't think I could ever find myself using one of these for actual typing, my god, does this concept look cool as hell!
I wouldn't mind getting one of these just to sit on my desk to look pretty  :)).

Perhaps for numbers and function keys, you could could replace the Windows Key as an Fn and
have Fn+(ASDF...Enter) as numbers (1-0) and Fn+(Esc...Del) as F1-F12?
Or maybe even a numpad-esque Fn layer (QWE, ASD, ZXC). Just a thought  :p.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Sat, 17 August 2013, 06:38:01
Petty neat little board jd.

jdcarpe, do you know how regack feels about open sourcing his pcb design? (ugh, we really do need this geekhack OS-DEVICE license written yesterday...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware#Licenses

It would be like rewriting the gpl to publish code.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 17 August 2013, 06:50:12
I am really excited if this goes into production. I like to either have a full size (or ErgoDox) or something as small as possible so it is easy to carry.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 17 August 2013, 08:49:14
Interesting! Tho I don't see the reason to include the right shift key...
Most people use left shift anyway, and as space is rare on this layout having double-keys seems a bit "uneconomical".
If the right shift key gets ditched we could have a 1.25 FN key on the right and one more 1x1 key next to it (ie. for ",").

Just my 2 Cents :)
   
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 17 August 2013, 08:51:01
I use both shift keys. Maybe not the full length of the right shift key but I do use it  :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: badcop on Sat, 17 August 2013, 09:13:28
this is pretty cool JD.  i'd be in for one.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: yasuo on Sat, 17 August 2013, 09:21:24
first picture symmetric staggering layout :))
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 17 August 2013, 09:41:10
I use both shift keys. Maybe not the full length of the right shift key but I do use it  :)

Fair enough...
Still I think having one more punctuation key (and a bigger FN key, as you have to make heavy use of it with such a low number of keys) would be better than the "luxury" of a second shift key.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 17 August 2013, 13:57:34
I love that the keyboard is called "The Smallfry" because that's what it is.

Genius!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 17 August 2013, 14:10:27
I could program a fn layer for my games...  :'( best day ever!!!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Defying on Sat, 17 August 2013, 14:39:17
It's so cute!  :eek:

If there's ever a GB, I might get one. Why not?  :p
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: CalmB4tehPwn on Mon, 19 August 2013, 05:23:59
I'll be making room in my budget for this little guy.

Also, to add to the discussion, I make HEAVY use of my right shift key, using it almost primarily, since I can hold it and still make use of my left pinky, so I only lose the ability to use shift + punctuation, which seems a significantly more rare occurrence for me.

That being said, I've be happy seeing it shortened to make space for a hardwired comma.


This keyboard design makes me want a laptop, but one without a keyboard on it. I'm thinking like. a Monitor on a stand, with all of the hardware in the monitor, but built for portability. Battery life, the whole shebang. Essentially a laptop, but closer to the desktop/monitor combos, just intended for portability.

Does this exist? OR can we make it exist? Anybody know enough about hardware, monitors and the like to help me make this happen? I'm happy working on the design portion.

somebody PM me, I got **** in my head that needs someone a talking to
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 19 August 2013, 08:01:05
I'll be making room in my budget for this little guy.

Also, to add to the discussion, I make HEAVY use of my right shift key, using it almost primarily, since I can hold it and still make use of my left pinky, so I only lose the ability to use shift + punctuation, which seems a significantly more rare occurrence for me.

That being said, I've be happy seeing it shortened to make space for a hardwired comma.


This keyboard design makes me want a laptop, but one without a keyboard on it. I'm thinking like. a Monitor on a stand, with all of the hardware in the monitor, but built for portability. Battery life, the whole shebang. Essentially a laptop, but closer to the desktop/monitor combos, just intended for portability.

Does this exist? OR can we make it exist? Anybody know enough about hardware, monitors and the like to help me make this happen? I'm happy working on the design portion.

somebody PM me, I got **** in my head that needs someone a talking to

Well, they have the iMacs that are computers built into a monitor. The also have PCs that are made this way.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:24:16
last night I dreamed about this board
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:32:45
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:35:18
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: wiredPANDA on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:40:54
Glad to see the 40% board get some new life.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:43:37
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...

Sell old cherry stuff then buy new cherry stuff?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:46:23
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...

Sell old cherry stuff then buy new cherry stuff?

or use old cherry stuff to build new cherry stuff :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Mon, 19 August 2013, 17:00:37
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...

Sell old cherry stuff then buy new cherry stuff?

or use old cherry stuff to build new cherry stuff :D

exactly. i have some highly coveted vintage blacks waiting for a project. i was going to use them with the gh60 but... i already have a 60%
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Mon, 19 August 2013, 17:37:43
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...

Sell old cherry stuff then buy new cherry stuff?

or use old cherry stuff to build new cherry stuff :D

exactly. i have some highly coveted vintage blacks waiting for a project. i was going to use them with the gh60 but... i already have a 60%

Do you agree that the vintages are better than new?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Mon, 19 August 2013, 17:44:34
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...

Sell old cherry stuff then buy new cherry stuff?

or use old cherry stuff to build new cherry stuff :D

exactly. i have some highly coveted vintage blacks waiting for a project. i was going to use them with the gh60 but... i already have a 60%

Do you agree that the vintages are better than new?

do you think nikes are better than reeboks?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Mon, 19 August 2013, 17:45:04
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...

Sell old cherry stuff then buy new cherry stuff?

or use old cherry stuff to build new cherry stuff :D

exactly. i have some highly coveted vintage blacks waiting for a project. i was going to use them with the gh60 but... i already have a 60%

Do you agree that the vintages are better than new?

do you think nikes are better than reeboks?

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Mon, 19 August 2013, 17:47:24
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...

Sell old cherry stuff then buy new cherry stuff?

or use old cherry stuff to build new cherry stuff :D

exactly. i have some highly coveted vintage blacks waiting for a project. i was going to use them with the gh60 but... i already have a 60%

Do you agree that the vintages are better than new?

do you think nikes are better than reeboks?


good point ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Mon, 19 August 2013, 17:52:52
hmm... everytime i get close to cleaning out my cherry stuff something like this comes along. i wannnnnt it.

I also wanted to get rid of my cherry stuff... and now this...

Sell old cherry stuff then buy new cherry stuff?

or use old cherry stuff to build new cherry stuff :D

exactly. i have some highly coveted vintage blacks waiting for a project. i was going to use them with the gh60 but... i already have a 60%

Do you agree that the vintages are better than new?

do you think nikes are better than reeboks?
YES
good point ;)

Back on topic...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 20 August 2013, 00:38:55
I'll be making room in my budget for this little guy.

Also, to add to the discussion, I make HEAVY use of my right shift key, using it almost primarily, since I can hold it and still make use of my left pinky, so I only lose the ability to use shift + punctuation, which seems a significantly more rare occurrence for me.

That being said, I've be happy seeing it shortened to make space for a hardwired comma.


This keyboard design makes me want a laptop, but one without a keyboard on it. I'm thinking like. a Monitor on a stand, with all of the hardware in the monitor, but built for portability. Battery life, the whole shebang. Essentially a laptop, but closer to the desktop/monitor combos, just intended for portability.

Does this exist? OR can we make it exist? Anybody know enough about hardware, monitors and the like to help me make this happen? I'm happy working on the design portion.

somebody PM me, I got **** in my head that needs someone a talking to

Hack mode: Raspberry Pi + Double stick tape + Monitor + Small UPS
Lame mode: A tablet PC...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 20 August 2013, 00:46:22
Hack mode: Raspberry Pi + Double stick tape + Monitor + Small UPS
Lame mode: A tablet PC...

Hack mode please.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Tue, 20 August 2013, 00:57:21
Really cool design! It's so small! I love it!! I hope to see a jdcarpe board GB at some point in the future!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 20 August 2013, 01:08:27
Hack mode: Raspberry Pi + Double stick tape + Monitor + Small UPS
Lame mode: A tablet PC...

Hack mode please.

Would make another interesting project...
Small keyboard + Raspberry Pi + Wifi + PSU (or LiPo battery) in a custom case with breakouts for headphone/monitor/mouse.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 20 August 2013, 01:25:16
Hack mode: Raspberry Pi + Double stick tape + Monitor + Small UPS
Lame mode: A tablet PC...

Hack mode please.

Would make another interesting project...
Small keyboard + Raspberry Pi + Wifi + PSU (or LiPo battery) in a custom case with breakouts for headphone/monitor/mouse.

Yes, all in a "keyboard"
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Tue, 20 August 2013, 01:32:09
why not just tear the screen off a thinkpad?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 20 August 2013, 01:44:39
Hack mode: Raspberry Pi + Double stick tape + Monitor + Small UPS
Lame mode: A tablet PC...

Hack mode please.

Would make another interesting project...
Small keyboard + Raspberry Pi + Wifi + PSU (or LiPo battery) in a custom case with breakouts for headphone/monitor/mouse.

Yes, all in a "keyboard"

Quick HHKB Shoop...

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mashby on Tue, 20 August 2013, 15:07:28
Woah. This looks amazing JD.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 20 August 2013, 20:55:23
I'm thinking this would need a heavy case. It may be to light and bounce or slide around while typing.

A case with brass weights.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 21 August 2013, 00:22:35
Stainless-Steel!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: n0rvig on Wed, 21 August 2013, 01:12:03
This is insanity! I can't believe it's not purple.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 21 August 2013, 03:12:57
I wouldn't want it to be too heavy as I would use it as a travel buddy.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 21 August 2013, 13:20:53
I wouldn't want it to be too heavy as I would use it as a travel buddy.


But if it would be made of SS you could use it for self-defense as well!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 21 August 2013, 15:02:38
(http://i.imgur.com/svvYExC.jpg)
Front of PCB. Diodes and resister soldered
(http://i.imgur.com/ExhAwoA.jpg)
Back of PCB.
(http://i.imgur.com/kj8VRGa.jpg)
The plate.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 21 August 2013, 15:04:29
Someone should get kaporkle to render this with the nathan set on it, too
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 21 August 2013, 17:15:39
http://imgur.com/a/Xz0Yc (http://imgur.com/a/Xz0Yc)

Where did you get the link from?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 21 August 2013, 17:29:53
http://imgur.com/a/Xz0Yc (http://imgur.com/a/Xz0Yc)

Where did you get the link from?

Sorry for the lack of information. I am building a SmallFry keyboard for jdcarpe and myself. That is my progress so far.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 22 August 2013, 13:36:30
(http://i.imgur.com/NwcFCnl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PNeIb16.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/O59EwgW.jpg)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 22 August 2013, 13:49:13
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NwcFCnl.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PNeIb16.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/O59EwgW.jpg)


Very cool!

Let me expound I don't want to come off as spammy.

This is a very awesome project. I love that there are no stabilizers other than the keyboard. It's small yet very functional. And it's all ready to go no need for fancy cases etc.

You guys do some amazing things!! Can't wait to see more.  :thumb:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mashby on Thu, 22 August 2013, 15:34:17
Really nice work you two. It's coming along nicely and I can't wait to see the finished product. I agree with SpAmRaY, this is an awesome project.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 22 August 2013, 15:47:20
Wow, this is looking better and better with each update.  Lovely board to all involved.  :D  Awesome project.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MTManiac on Thu, 22 August 2013, 17:23:45
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NwcFCnl.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PNeIb16.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/O59EwgW.jpg)


Very cool!

Let me expound I don't want to come off as spammy.

This is a very awesome project. I love that there are no stabilizers other than the keyboard. It's small yet very functional. And it's all ready to go no need for fancy cases etc.

You guys do some amazing things!! Can't wait to see more.  :thumb:

damn... so sexy
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: fydo on Thu, 22 August 2013, 17:28:41
Yep, super sexy! I bet with sufficiently sized pockets, this would fit easily into one's pants. Ultimate in portability!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Thu, 22 August 2013, 17:43:13
Yep, super sexy! I bet with sufficiently sized pockets, this would fit easily into one's pants. Ultimate in portability!

i had a friend who wore those huge obnoxious raver cargo pants in high school just to keep his books in the pockets without needing a backpack.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 22 August 2013, 17:49:51
Yep, super sexy! I bet with sufficiently sized pockets, this would fit easily into one's pants. Ultimate in portability!

In fact it does fit in my pocket!  :))

I added two more spacers to make the board more rigid.
(http://i.imgur.com/jqLlSZU.jpg)
The only thing left to do is program it!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: daerid on Fri, 23 August 2013, 00:27:30
Challenge: a usable 40% matrix (meaning non-staggered) layout board. I would buy one of those in a hot minute.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: pasph on Fri, 23 August 2013, 04:18:11
Challenge: a usable 40% matrix (meaning non-staggered) layout board. I would buy one of those in a hot minute.

(http://i.imgur.com/9ZPes97.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/zkoO7Q3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/7Wmisde.jpg)

In a sort of italian iso layout
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AcidFire on Fri, 23 August 2013, 16:03:04
Challenge: a usable 40% matrix (meaning non-staggered) layout board. I would buy one of those in a hot minute.

Challenge Accepted.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 23 August 2013, 17:35:41
Challenge: a usable 40% matrix (meaning non-staggered) layout board. I would buy one of those in a hot minute.

Challenge Accepted.

I'm willing to bet that he'll have a prototype by the end of the day, just because he's AcidFire.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 23 August 2013, 17:38:36
Challenge: a usable 40% matrix (meaning non-staggered) layout board. I would buy one of those in a hot minute.

Challenge Accepted.

I'm willing to bet that he'll have a prototype by the end of the day, just because he's AcidFire.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Glod on Fri, 23 August 2013, 18:12:58
Challenge: a usable 40% matrix (meaning non-staggered) layout board. I would buy one of those in a hot minute.

Challenge Accepted.

I'm willing to bet that he'll have a prototype by the end of the day, just because he's AcidFire.

!!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: daerid on Fri, 23 August 2013, 18:22:36
Challenge: a usable 40% matrix (meaning non-staggered) layout board. I would buy one of those in a hot minute.

Challenge Accepted.

Hot damn!

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 23 August 2013, 18:23:40
Challenge: a usable 40% matrix (meaning non-staggered) layout board. I would buy one of those in a hot minute.

Challenge Accepted.

Hot damn!

He knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AcidFire on Sat, 24 August 2013, 01:47:42
As promised. (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44940.msg1012660#msg1012660) If you have any comments to make, please do so in my thread so that we don't derail the discussion of jdcarpe's project.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Wed, 28 August 2013, 14:52:51
just wanted to bring this awesome project back to page 1...

any news?

cant wait... cant wait.... cant wait .... argh....
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 29 August 2013, 14:58:44
I really need something small like this for school.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 29 August 2013, 20:09:46
Here is my 40% case design.
(http://i.imgur.com/UKSvIPe.png)
Top and bottom plates are 1/8" black acrylic which have been ordered from Pololu.com. Middle layer is going to be mahogany milled by a CNC mill.
(http://i.imgur.com/zFUb4Fu.jpg)
Caps are going to be dark brown blank DSA retro caps. We'll see how it turns out.  :thumb:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: yasuo on Thu, 29 August 2013, 21:06:13
For layout,certainly matrix or staggered regular? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 29 August 2013, 22:55:27
Here is my 40% case design.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UKSvIPe.png)

Top and bottom plates are 1/8" black acrylic which have been ordered from Pololu.com. Middle layer is going to be mahogany milled by a CNC mill.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/zFUb4Fu.jpg)

Caps are going to be dark brown blank DSA retro caps. We'll see how it turns out.  :thumb:

Oh my lord... That thing is gonna look amazing!!!

Would be cool as a 60% case too. ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 30 August 2013, 08:45:47
Here is my 40% case design.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UKSvIPe.png)

Top and bottom plates are 1/8" black acrylic which have been ordered from Pololu.com. Middle layer is going to be mahogany milled by a CNC mill.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/zFUb4Fu.jpg)

Caps are going to be dark brown blank DSA retro caps. We'll see how it turns out.  :thumb:

Niiiice...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 30 August 2013, 15:07:23
Here is my 40% case design.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UKSvIPe.png)

Top and bottom plates are 1/8" black acrylic which have been ordered from Pololu.com. Middle layer is going to be mahogany milled by a CNC mill.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/zFUb4Fu.jpg)

Caps are going to be dark brown blank DSA retro caps. We'll see how it turns out.  :thumb:

This is going to be classy!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AndyCapets on Sat, 31 August 2013, 21:30:09
That looks insane! I'd love to have one like that, would be great for lans!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 03 September 2013, 11:42:18
Milling the wood.  ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 03 September 2013, 16:21:11
Milling the wood.  ;)

It's going to be awesome--I can feel it! 
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sun, 08 September 2013, 20:56:15
My SmallFry Keyboard mini build guide.
(http://i.imgur.com/4zdoygQ.jpg)
What you'll need:
(http://i.imgur.com/aHyZ6Gn.jpg)
Solder all the components on the back starting from smallest to largest. First the diodes, then the USB connector, then the Teensy.
(http://i.imgur.com/FMVW8om.jpg)
Connect the Teensy to the PCB. The holes are labeled on the reverse side.
(http://i.imgur.com/hsShHJx.jpg)
Solder the 300 ohm resister to the designated spot on the front of the PCB.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZB94xTB.jpg)
Install the stabilizer then mount four switches in the corners of the plate and solder them to the PCB.
(http://i.imgur.com/dmk1pBx.jpg)
Install the remaining switches and solder them to the PCB.
(http://i.imgur.com/5myV3BY.jpg)
Install the caps lock indicator LED. Bridge the solder pads.

 
I still need to finish the wood layer. Build guide will continue when it is completed.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: gnubag on Sun, 08 September 2013, 21:09:28
My SmallFry Keyboard mini build guide.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4zdoygQ.jpg)

What you'll need:
  • Acrylic plates
  • PCB
  • (40) Plate mount switches
  • (40) 1N4148 diodes
  • Teensy 2.0
  • 300 ohm resister
  • Mini USB connector
  • 3mm LED
  • 6.25x stabilizer
  • Keycaps
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aHyZ6Gn.jpg)

Solder all the components on the back starting from smallest to largest. First the diodes, then the USB connector, then the Teensy.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/FMVW8om.jpg)

Connect the Teensy to the PCB. The holes are labeled on the reverse side.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/hsShHJx.jpg)

Solder the 300 ohm resister to the designated spot on the front of the PCB.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZB94xTB.jpg)

Install the stabilizer then mount four switches in the corners of the plate and solder them to the PCB.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/dmk1pBx.jpg)

Install the remaining switches and solder them to the PCB.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5myV3BY.jpg)

Install the caps lock indicator LED. Bridge the solder pads.

 
I still need to finish the wood layer. Build guide will continue when it is completed.

looks good

do you have a picture with the keycaps on?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 08 September 2013, 21:23:31
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5myV3BY.jpg)


Looks like you used too much solder on the switches (also looks like the pads weren't heated enough) and not enough solder on the diodes. My diodes always look like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/GEccqxT.png)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sun, 08 September 2013, 21:31:28

Looks like you used too much solder on the switches (also looks like the pads weren't heated enough) and not enough solder on the diodes. My diodes always look like this:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GEccqxT.png)


Yes, the diodes aren't properly soldered. The problem is there aren't solder pads on the reverse side of the PCB so the solder will not stick/ flow through. Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Defying on Sun, 08 September 2013, 22:07:49
My SmallFry Keyboard mini build guide.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4zdoygQ.jpg)

What you'll need:
  • Acrylic plates
  • PCB
  • (40) Plate mount switches
  • (40) 1N4148 diodes
  • Teensy 2.0
  • 300 ohm resister
  • Mini USB connector
  • 3mm LED
  • 6.25x stabilizer
  • Keycaps
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aHyZ6Gn.jpg)

Solder all the components on the back starting from smallest to largest. First the diodes, then the USB connector, then the Teensy.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/FMVW8om.jpg)

Connect the Teensy to the PCB. The holes are labeled on the reverse side.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/hsShHJx.jpg)

Solder the 300 ohm resister to the designated spot on the front of the PCB.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZB94xTB.jpg)

Install the stabilizer then mount four switches in the corners of the plate and solder them to the PCB.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/dmk1pBx.jpg)

Install the remaining switches and solder them to the PCB.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5myV3BY.jpg)

Install the caps lock indicator LED. Bridge the solder pads.

 
I still need to finish the wood layer. Build guide will continue when it is completed.
Looks great. This makes me really want one of these now.  :eek:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sun, 08 September 2013, 22:14:48
looks good

do you have a picture with the keycaps on?

Yes, here is a few pics of the temporary case and the prototype wooden layer made from oak. The final will be made from mahogany.
(http://i.imgur.com/4HRBDYm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cstb6Lk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/R6vpTQc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JjqbrdB.jpg)
It is straight from the CNC mill. No sanding or anything has been done yet.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 09 September 2013, 07:55:05
This is very awesome!! I don't know what I like more the fact that it's so tiny or the labels on the keys ;)

Are you still looking for blanks?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: pixel5 on Mon, 09 September 2013, 09:33:07
I find this both hilarious and awesome at the same time.

We're all insane.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 09 September 2013, 11:20:11
Ugh, I've been away so long...   I'm saddened to hear of SmallFry's passing but this is a nice remembrance!  I hope the PCB works out!   

jdcarpe, do you know how regack feels about open sourcing his pcb design? (ugh, we really do need this geekhack OS-DEVICE license written yesterday...)

Everything I built I learned from others that came before me, so Iím fine with others using this as a basis for something else, tearing it apart to learn, or improving upon it, as long as JDCarpe is as well.    After all, itís his design, I just drew some lines.   

Funny thing is, when working on it, I never thought I could adjust to typing on something like this, but now that I see it being built, I want one too :D

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: concept73 on Mon, 09 September 2013, 11:22:04
I WANT ONE! ..............Please!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 09 September 2013, 11:28:31
looks good

do you have a picture with the keycaps on?

Yes, here is a few pics of the temporary case and the prototype wooden layer made from oak. The final will be made from mahogany.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4HRBDYm.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cstb6Lk.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/R6vpTQc.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JjqbrdB.jpg)

It is straight from the CNC mill. No sanding or anything has been done yet.

I like it way better with that acrylic case like that :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: iAmAhab on Mon, 09 September 2013, 11:33:32
This board seems kind of useless, but that does not stop me from wanting one badly.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Mon, 09 September 2013, 12:57:44
i want that
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1649494/i-want-that-napolean-dynamite-o.gif)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: miko on Mon, 09 September 2013, 15:46:10
I want one too. I wonder, how much does a metal workshop charge for such a case? I'm not asking for a precise price, but for a estimation.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: OldDataHands on Mon, 09 September 2013, 19:07:20
Yes, the diodes aren't properly soldered. The problem is there aren't solder pads on the reverse side of the PCB so the solder will not stick/ flow through. Thanks for the help!
Word on the street says that if you didn't have enough
heat to make the solder flow into/through the via,
then you didn't have enough heat to get a good bond.
Is your iron hot enough?  Did you keep it on the joint
long enough to get the pad and via wet? (with molten
solder of course...)

I'd hate to see this wonderful project of yours plagued
with a bunch of cold solder joints == intermittent issues...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 09 September 2013, 19:11:05
Thanks for the kind words everyone! I feel very privileged to be able to build the only two SmallFry keyboards.  :D

I want one too. I wonder, how much does a metal workshop charge for such a case? I'm not asking for a precise price, but for a estimation.

The plates for my case were like $40 shipped from Pololu.com (http://Pololu.com)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 09 September 2013, 19:12:51
Word on the street says that if you didn't have enough
heat to make the solder flow into/through the via,
then you didn't have enough heat to get a good bond.
Is your iron hot enough?  Did you keep it on the joint
long enough to get the pad and via wet? (with molten
solder of course...)

I'd hate to see this wonderful project of yours plagued
with a bunch of cold solder joints == intermittent issues...

My Hakko 936 was set at 400C the entire time and I held the tip to the solder points for a second or two before adding the solder. I think I'm doing everything right  :-[
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 09 September 2013, 19:51:04
Yes, the diodes aren't properly soldered. The problem is there aren't solder pads on the reverse side of the PCB so the solder will not stick/ flow through. Thanks for the help!
Word on the street says that if you didn't have enough
heat to make the solder flow into/through the via,
then you didn't have enough heat to get a good bond.
Is your iron hot enough?  Did you keep it on the joint
long enough to get the pad and via wet? (with molten
solder of course...)

I'd hate to see this wonderful project of yours plagued
with a bunch of cold solder joints == intermittent issues...


Yeah, TheFlyingRaccoon didn't do anything wrong. The solder pads on the PCB are just slightly larger than the drill size, so there is very little there to hold any solder. That's actually went I sent these PCBs to him, because I was very frustrated trying to folder those diodes in, and he volunteered to have a go at it.

Using his technique, I was able to get another of the PCBs I had made filled with diodes.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 09 September 2013, 20:06:08
The solder pads on the PCB are just slightly larger than the drill size, so there is very little there to hold any solder.

sorry about that :(

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 09 September 2013, 20:13:53
The solder pads on the PCB are just slightly larger than the drill size, so there is very little there to hold any solder.

sorry about that :(



Not your fault, by any means. That's what prototypes are for, right? I really truly appreciate the work you put into my little project that allowed it to become a realty.

I don't know if you have time to make any modifications to the PCB, or if you would prefer to hand that of to someone else, but it seems there is some interest in seeing these made into production boards. That would most likely mean changing the controller to an onboard ATmega32U4 instead of the Teensy I specified, and diodes to SMT instead of thru hole. Also, I think people will want holes for PCB-mount switches and stabilizer, in case they prefer to build without a plate. Exactly what I had you remove from the early revisions. :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Mon, 09 September 2013, 20:29:52
The solder pads on the PCB are just slightly larger than the drill size, so there is very little there to hold any solder.

sorry about that :(



Not your fault, by any means. That's what prototypes are for, right? I really truly appreciate the work you put into my little project that allowed it to become a realty.

I don't know if you have time to make any modifications to the PCB, or if you would prefer to hand that of to someone else, but it seems there is some interest in seeing these made into production boards. That would most likely mean changing the controller to an onboard ATmega32U4 instead of the Teensy I specified, and diodes to SMT instead of thru hole. Also, I think people will want holes for PCB-mount switches and stabilizer, in case they prefer to build without a plate. Exactly what I had you remove from the early revisions. :D

All of those things would be amazing JD! That would fix every issue I had with the prototypes.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 10 September 2013, 00:41:24
I would definitely get one if it got into production, or even take a prototype.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AGmurdercore on Tue, 10 September 2013, 05:31:59
Somebody mentioned GB for this and just for an IC i am in for it :O
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Tue, 10 September 2013, 08:11:34
The solder pads on the PCB are just slightly larger than the drill size, so there is very little there to hold any solder.

sorry about that :(



Not your fault, by any means. That's what prototypes are for, right? I really truly appreciate the work you put into my little project that allowed it to become a realty.

I don't know if you have time to make any modifications to the PCB, or if you would prefer to hand that of to someone else, but it seems there is some interest in seeing these made into production boards. That would most likely mean changing the controller to an onboard ATmega32U4 instead of the Teensy I specified, and diodes to SMT instead of thru hole. Also, I think people will want holes for PCB-mount switches and stabilizer, in case they prefer to build without a plate. Exactly what I had you remove from the early revisions. :D

All of those things would be amazing JD! That would fix every issue I had with the prototypes.

I'll have to see if I kept any of the earlier revisions, or what time I can put into it.  In the meantime if someone else wants to take it and run, that would be great.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 10 September 2013, 08:16:16
The solder pads on the PCB are just slightly larger than the drill size, so there is very little there to hold any solder.

sorry about that :(



Not your fault, by any means. That's what prototypes are for, right? I really truly appreciate the work you put into my little project that allowed it to become a realty.

I don't know if you have time to make any modifications to the PCB, or if you would prefer to hand that of to someone else, but it seems there is some interest in seeing these made into production boards. That would most likely mean changing the controller to an onboard ATmega32U4 instead of the Teensy I specified, and diodes to SMT instead of thru hole. Also, I think people will want holes for PCB-mount switches and stabilizer, in case they prefer to build without a plate. Exactly what I had you remove from the early revisions. :D

All of those things would be amazing JD! That would fix every issue I had with the prototypes.

I'll have to see if I kept any of the earlier revisions, or what time I can put into it.  In the meantime if someone else wants to take it and run, that would be great.

If you can provide the files, I could give this a try. :D Found on your github, I hope that it is the latest version.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Tue, 10 September 2013, 08:31:59

If you can provide the files, I could give this a try. :D Found on your github, I hope that it is the latest version.

That should be the files that jdcarpe and TheFlyingRaccoon are working from.  I don't think I made any changes after that point.  I had some earlier versions that included the holes for PCB-mount switches and stabilizers, and there may have been one that had SMT pads for the diodes.  I can look for those on my backup disks later today.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: miko on Wed, 11 September 2013, 15:44:14
Thanks for the kind words everyone! I feel very privileged to be able to build the only two SmallFry keyboards.  :D

I want one too. I wonder, how much does a metal workshop charge for such a case? I'm not asking for a precise price, but for a estimation.

The plates for my case were like $40 shipped from Pololu.com (http://Pololu.com)

Ok, thanks for the info. But I'd be interested in a full metal case like the one jdcarpe posted in the op. I have never ever had something done by a metal workshop. I guess It's expensive. Just how expensive? Like 150$ or like 500$?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Wed, 11 September 2013, 16:06:54
First pass... sooo many lines...  :-X

[attach=1]
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 11 September 2013, 16:11:12
First pass... sooo many lines...  :-X

(Attachment Link)

WOW  :eek: Looking awesome so far!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 11 September 2013, 16:15:06
First pass... sooo many lines...  :-X

(Attachment Link)

Hell yeah! I should rename this thread to the "Regack is Awesome" thread! :P
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 11 September 2013, 22:01:56
First pass... sooo many lines...  :-X

(Attachment Link)

Great work regack. Now there is one less thing in my todo list :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Thu, 12 September 2013, 15:34:35
I decided to rotate all of the switches so the LEDs are at the top (towards the number row, if there was one).  I based that decision on the observation that only the Poker/Pure seem to have the LEDs oriented the other way.  I'm sure there are others, but I know you can get replacement caps for Ducky... I've never found them for KBT.  Also fixed some spacing issues and added the text.  Still need to work on the ground zones.  If you can't read the text (I'm not sure about this KiCAD color scheme...), it says:

The SmallFry Keyboard
A 40% Design
in remembrance of Nate Walter
Special thanks to komar007, bpiphany, Dox and Regack

[attach=1]

So, I should note that I went a different route here than the board that jdcarpe is working from.  There were enough changes that I basically borrowed the schematic of the GH60 revB and reworked it into this layout.  So it should be simple enough to use the GH60 firmware, just eliminate a row and a couple of columns.  Almost all of the connections available on the GH60 are also on this board.  Everyone needs to thank Komar one more time :D. 

Does this board need mounting holes (there aren't any right now)?  Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? Derisive Laughter?

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 12 September 2013, 15:49:19
Excellent work, and it is Nate Walter.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Thu, 12 September 2013, 15:53:06
Excellent work, and it is Nate Walter.

I need my eyes checked, thanks.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 12 September 2013, 16:08:41
I decided to rotate all of the switches so the LEDs are at the top (towards the number row, if there was one).  I based that decision on the observation that only the Poker/Pure seem to have the LEDs oriented the other way.  I'm sure there are others, but I know you can get replacement caps for Ducky... I've never found them for KBT.  Also fixed some spacing issues and added the text.  Still need to work on the ground zones.  If you can't read the text (I'm not sure about this KiCAD color scheme...), it says:

The SmallFry Keyboard
A 40% Design
in remembrance of Nate Walter
Special thanks to komar007, bpiphany, Dox and Regack

(Attachment Link)

So, I should note that I went a different route here than the board that jdcarpe is working from.  There were enough changes that I basically borrowed the schematic of the GH60 revB and reworked it into this layout.  So it should be simple enough to use the GH60 firmware, just eliminate a row and a couple of columns.  Almost all of the connections available on the GH60 are also on this board.  Everyone needs to thank Komar one more time :D. 

Does this board need mounting holes (there aren't any right now)?  Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? Derisive Laughter?

(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mother-of-god-meme.jpg)

This is amazing regack! Do you have a list of all the improvements from the original PCB?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Thu, 12 September 2013, 18:11:23

This is amazing regack! Do you have a list of all the improvements from the original PCB?

- atmega32U4 and all other SMT components are on the back of the board
- The LEDs are wired in a 4-row / 12-column matrix, with the rows/columns brought into pads for 1.27mm headers between the keys on the top row (between R&T, T&Y, Y&U, U&I).
- WASD Cluster, ESC and 'CAPS' (under the tab) LEDs are wired in to the atmega like the GH60
- 4 GPIO lines from the atmega broken out for 1.27mm headers between the I&O keys, also down at the bottom of the board under the spacebar
- also under the spacebar are the ISP pads
- holes for spacebar stabs
- holes for PCB mount switches

It's basically a GH40... Komar did all the work, I just spent some time tweaking his design to fit this profile  ;D

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 September 2013, 19:05:20
Built my steel case version today. Showing of my prototype (PCB Rev 1.4). Now I just need to get some screws for it. :)

(http://i.imgur.com/RUZqq1T.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/cYq0Ca6.jpg)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 12 September 2013, 19:07:09
DAT STEEL, OMG

/me drools
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 12 September 2013, 21:29:26
That is really nice, sir!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 12 September 2013, 23:15:25
I love it JD! How much did it cost to get the case cut?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 12 September 2013, 23:36:48
Presenting the Pencil Case:
[attachimg=1]

2TU style case with slide on cover. Optionally you can have a case with a lip as well. All layers are 3mm. Bolts to be decided. Tenting method to be decided.

You may need one more spacer layer on the cover if you plan on using SA keycaps.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 13 September 2013, 01:16:52
Need some cable storage medium as well.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: KaLam1ty on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:37:46
I can't believe this is actually becoming a thing. This is so outrageously awesome   :)).
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Neebio on Fri, 13 September 2013, 11:12:29
Now I just need to get some screws for it. :)

These came up elsewhere at some point; you may want to consider using these:
http://www.jakob.ch/1279/metagroup=G39192
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 September 2013, 11:16:55
I love it JD! How much did it cost to get the case cut?

I'm not sure, really. I bought some other plates along with it, so I didn't get a cost breakdown from The_Beast.

Now I just need to get some screws for it. :)

These came up elsewhere at some point; you may want to consider using these:
http://www.jakob.ch/1279/metagroup=G39192

I fear my screw holes are too small for those, but they look awesome! Thanks for the link. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 September 2013, 11:26:42
Does this board need mounting holes (there aren't any right now)?

Well, now mounting holes might be nice. Maybe you can use some of the same relative positions as the GH60 uses. Obviously not all of them will fit. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Fri, 13 September 2013, 11:56:40
I love it JD! How much did it cost to get the case cut?

I'm not sure, really. I bought some other plates along with it, so I didn't get a cost breakdown from The_Beast.

Now I just need to get some screws for it. :)

These came up elsewhere at some point; you may want to consider using these:
http://www.jakob.ch/1279/metagroup=G39192

I fear my screw holes are too small for those, but they look awesome! Thanks for the link. :)

Was posted by me somewhere...
But in the meantime I found a cheaper and easier to get alternative, Bookscrews!  :cool:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/30-Schraubnieten-nickel-glanzend-5MM-/320900098813?pt=Alte_Berufe&hash=item4ab722eafd
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Fri, 13 September 2013, 15:35:51
Does this board need mounting holes (there aren't any right now)?

Well, now mounting holes might be nice. Maybe you can use some of the same relative positions as the GH60 uses. Obviously not all of them will fit. :)

So it seems only 2 of the mounting holes that match would be useful.  Others are off the board entirely, because the 60% is so much larger :D.  Between the B & N, and on the left board-edge vertically between CTRL and SHIFT.  The one between TAB & A will probably be too difficult to access, it's probably 30-40% under the 'A' switch body.   Given the size of the board, I just added one under the ENTER key.  I guess that should work ok?

[attach=1]

Because I must be coo coo for cocoa puffs, I also tossed together this alternative board which uses my teensy-on-a-daughterboard and THEORETICALLY offers full individual LED support with a MAX7219 (also on a separate daughterboard).  Those boards under the main PCB add something like 8mm to the overall thickness. 

[attach=2]

I might try to add the MAX directly to the other design, but I haven't been able to get it to work outside of an Arduino sketch, so, it's kind of unproven.   When running Teensyduino it works great, you can make neat running LED patterns, slow-glow the LEDs, etc... but then I don't have a keyboard... so uhh... anyone who knows more than me want to take a stab at making the Teensy talk SPI to the MAX? 

I'd love to get that working, because I have 3 other projects I'd like to use it with :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 September 2013, 16:00:01
Does this board need mounting holes (there aren't any right now)?

Well, now mounting holes might be nice. Maybe you can use some of the same relative positions as the GH60 uses. Obviously not all of them will fit. :)

So it seems only 2 of the mounting holes that match would be useful.  Others are off the board entirely, because the 60% is so much larger :D.  Between the B & N, and on the left board-edge vertically between CTRL and SHIFT.  The one between TAB & A will probably be too difficult to access, it's probably 30-40% under the 'A' switch body.   Given the size of the board, I just added one under the ENTER key.  I guess that should work ok?

(Attachment Link)

Because I must be coo coo for cocoa puffs, I also tossed together this alternative board which uses my teensy-on-a-daughterboard and THEORETICALLY offers full individual LED support with a MAX7219 (also on a separate daughterboard).  Those boards under the main PCB add something like 8mm to the overall thickness. 

(Attachment Link)

I might try to add the MAX directly to the other design, but I haven't been able to get it to work outside of an Arduino sketch, so, it's kind of unproven.   When running Teensyduino it works great, you can make neat running LED patterns, slow-glow the LEDs, etc... but then I don't have a keyboard... so uhh... anyone who knows more than me want to take a stab at making the Teensy talk SPI to the MAX? 

I'd love to get that working, because I have 3 other projects I'd like to use it with :D

Nice! Using my crap-tastic MS Paint skillz, I moved a couple of the holes. I don't know if the hole between Tab & A would work, as you stated, unless you were able to move those traces and center the hole there.

(http://i.imgur.com/sUF8cWX.png)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 13 September 2013, 16:18:21
I'm super stoked for this.

What is the PCB size currently?

Almost done with my "Pencil Case" rev2 case, which has support for tenting as well.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 September 2013, 16:23:19
I'm super stoked for this.

What is the PCB size currently?

Almost done with my "Pencil Case" rev2 case, which has support for tenting as well.

9 inches x 3 inches

or

228.6mm x 76.5mm
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 13 September 2013, 22:30:54
I'm super stoked for this.

What is the PCB size currently?

Almost done with my "Pencil Case" rev2 case, which has support for tenting as well.

9 inches x 3 inches

or

228.6mm x 76.5mm
Thank you sir. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:18:29

Nice! Using my crap-tastic MS Paint skillz, I moved a couple of the holes. I don't know if the hole between Tab & A would work, as you stated, unless you were able to move those traces and center the hole there.

Yes, I should move it over, or leave it, and add another one nearby?  I just brought in the GH60/poker/pure mount points to see where they would land.  I'm debating in my head if I should leave the ones that match, but add a couple of more in different spots specific to this board.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 14 September 2013, 08:32:45
Maybe I can't see it, but what is the point of keeping the GH60 mounts points? The PCB is much too small to fit the Poker in any case.

If you do want to make it somewhat compatible, then keep the mount points so that the 40% PCB centers on the GH60 PCB?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 14 September 2013, 08:38:32
Maybe I can't see it, but what is the point of keeping the GH60 mounts points? The PCB is much to fit the Poker in any case.

If you do want to make it somewhat compatible, then keep the mount points so that the 40% PCB centers on the GH60 PCB?

I'd say the mounting holes are being added just in "case." :P

I know the MOQ is probably ridiculous, but one day maybe there could be a reduced size, Poker-style injection molded plastic tray case for it. Which would have mounting standoffs, of course. And then we would be glad the mounting holes were there.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 14 September 2013, 08:40:54
Maybe I can't see it, but what is the point of keeping the GH60 mounts points? The PCB is much to fit the Poker in any case.

If you do want to make it somewhat compatible, then keep the mount points so that the 40% PCB centers on the GH60 PCB?

I'd say the mounting holes are being added just in "case." :P

I know the MOQ is probably ridiculous, but one day maybe there could be a reduced size, Poker-style injection molded plastic tray case for it. Which would have mounting standoffs, of course. And then we would be glad the mounting holes were there.

Maybe me point was not clear, what I meant was, why in the exact same places as the GH60?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 14 September 2013, 08:45:42
Maybe I can't see it, but what is the point of keeping the GH60 mounts points? The PCB is much to fit the Poker in any case.

If you do want to make it somewhat compatible, then keep the mount points so that the 40% PCB centers on the GH60 PCB?

I'd say the mounting holes are being added just in "case." :P

I know the MOQ is probably ridiculous, but one day maybe there could be a reduced size, Poker-style injection molded plastic tray case for it. Which would have mounting standoffs, of course. And then we would be glad the mounting holes were there.

Maybe me point was not clear, what I meant was, why in the exact same places as the GH60?

Oh, well maybe I was confusing when I suggested they be in the same relative positions. I just meant maybe there could be a slot hole on each side between the bottom row and the ZXCV row. And between tab and A. And under the enter key. And maybe one between a couple of keys in the center. That's all. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 14 September 2013, 08:47:57
Ahh, now I understand.

As for case, I don't know if there would be aa injection molded plastic case for it, however, there will be an acrylic case for it :D

Can't wait.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: n0rvig on Tue, 17 September 2013, 00:00:50
jdcarpe, you are ridiculously / insanely cool at this keyboard thing. okbye.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 September 2013, 03:06:15
jdcarpe, you are ridiculously / insanely cool at this keyboard thing. okbye.

<3
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Tue, 17 September 2013, 19:54:30
Further along, moved mounting holes, need to sanity check and post files to github...

(http://i.imgur.com/NsojKnW.png)


Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 17 September 2013, 20:19:00
Further along, moved mounting holes, need to sanity check and post files to github...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NsojKnW.png)


Oh my! It looks amazing regack!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 17 September 2013, 20:22:41
For the third row from the top I would suggest supporting 1+1.25, besides the 1.25+1 on the right shift.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 September 2013, 21:24:06
For the third row from the top I would suggest supporting 1+1.25, besides the 1.25+1 on the right shift.

Yeah, if it's possible to add support for this, that would be nice.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 17 September 2013, 21:33:54
Looking really good you two.  I really need to see the map of the Fn layer.  Where is that?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 September 2013, 22:08:49
Looking really good you two.  I really need to see the map of the Fn layer.  Where is that?

Something like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/lfAtaun.jpg)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 19 September 2013, 22:44:09
Now I want one even though it won't support dvorak.

The only change I'd consider for the function layer is to make the arrowkeys
^
V<>

Which makes more sense to me than what you have
^
<V>

Also, where is the , key? I know . is on the main area
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 20 September 2013, 00:22:49
This looks great.  I'm looking forward to seeing a nate set on one of these.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:06:58
I'm not sure why the slotted holes don't render properly.

(http://i.imgur.com/gQADl1E.png)

- Added option for 1.25+1.0 or 1.0+1.25 for the right-shift
- LEDs for the 1.0+1.25 arrangement are 'flipped' so they share a common anode (with the regular layout).
- Added back missing slot on right right side
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:21:28
I'm not sure why the slotted holes don't render properly.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gQADl1E.png)


- Added option for 1.25+1.0 or 1.0+1.25 for the right-shift
- LEDs for the 1.0+1.25 arrangement are 'flipped' so they share a common anode (with the regular layout).
- Added back missing slot on right right side

Beautiful as ever. This is the one with the integrated SMD components, right?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:40:33
I'm not sure why the slotted holes don't render properly.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gQADl1E.png)


- Added option for 1.25+1.0 or 1.0+1.25 for the right-shift
- LEDs for the 1.0+1.25 arrangement are 'flipped' so they share a common anode (with the regular layout).
- Added back missing slot on right right side

Beautiful as ever. This is the one with the integrated SMD components, right?

Yes, same components as the keypad, so we're kind of prototyping this one with that...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:44:11
I'm not sure why the slotted holes don't render properly.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gQADl1E.png)


- Added option for 1.25+1.0 or 1.0+1.25 for the right-shift
- LEDs for the 1.0+1.25 arrangement are 'flipped' so they share a common anode (with the regular layout).
- Added back missing slot on right right side

Beautiful as ever. This is the one with the integrated SMD components, right?

Yes, same components as the keypad, so we're kind of prototyping this one with that...

We are? I got to get a case ready then! When did this happen? Noone told me! ><

Anywho, I am in, please, please, please!

We can save some dough maybe by getting components for both of these together and also save on shipping if you guys want me to do the case. Should have told me earlier and we would have saved on those nuts/bolts. Oh well.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:46:14
I'm not sure why the slotted holes don't render properly.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gQADl1E.png)


- Added option for 1.25+1.0 or 1.0+1.25 for the right-shift
- LEDs for the 1.0+1.25 arrangement are 'flipped' so they share a common anode (with the regular layout).
- Added back missing slot on right right side

Beautiful as ever. This is the one with the integrated SMD components, right?

Yes, same components as the keypad, so we're kind of prototyping this one with that...

We are? I got to get a case ready then! When did this happen? Noone told me! ><

Anywho, I am in, please, please, please!

We can save some dough maybe by getting components for both of these together and also save on shipping if you guys want me to do the case. Should have told me earlier and we would have saved on those nuts/bolts. Oh well.

Moz I think he meant the keypad prototype is also a test for the ideas/design/parts to be used in the 40% board
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:57:56
Moz I think he meant the keypad prototype is also a test for the ideas/design/parts to be used in the 40% board

In other words, I got over-excited?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 20 September 2013, 14:01:05
Moz I think he meant the keypad prototype is also a test for the ideas/design/parts to be used in the 40% board

In other words, I got over-excited?

I believe so.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 September 2013, 23:03:08
I'm not sure why the slotted holes don't render properly.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gQADl1E.png)


- Added option for 1.25+1.0 or 1.0+1.25 for the right-shift
- LEDs for the 1.0+1.25 arrangement are 'flipped' so they share a common anode (with the regular layout).
- Added back missing slot on right right side

The PCB...she is beautiful.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 11 October 2013, 18:24:34
I've been watching this for awhile, anything required to help with beta testing?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 11 October 2013, 18:28:48
We just need to get the SMT PCB design completed. I think regack is probably just busy. Once the design is finished, I will look into getting a few PCBs made for testing, before opening up group buy ordering.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: hcry4 on Fri, 11 October 2013, 22:28:39
Thanks for the update! Keep up the great work guys!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 12 October 2013, 00:25:00
Last I discussed this with regack be was finalising the SMT and looking to add extendability features.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Wed, 16 October 2013, 16:11:11
Update...
(http://i.imgur.com/BdsNoMt.png)

So, with all those extra io connections, you should still be able to keep the CAPS/FN LED as well as the WASD LEDs and still have room to add a 4x6 keypad run from the same firmware... though someone would have to write that firmware.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 16 October 2013, 16:13:12
Update...
  • pulled extra pin for ROW5 from ATMEGA pin 8/PB0
  • added GPIO4, GPIO5, GPIO6 connectors to ATMEGA pins 26/PD6, 22/PD5, 11/PB3
  • ran ROW and GPIO connections to 1.27mm header pins on right-side of board for interconnect
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BdsNoMt.png)


So, with all those extra io connections, you should still be able to keep the CAPS/FN LED as well as the WASD LEDs and still have room to add a 4x6 keypad run from the same firmware... though someone would have to write that firmware.

Very awesome, regack! Thank you for the major update!!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 16 October 2013, 16:25:59
Update...
  • pulled extra pin for ROW5 from ATMEGA pin 8/PB0
  • added GPIO4, GPIO5, GPIO6 connectors to ATMEGA pins 26/PD6, 22/PD5, 11/PB3
  • ran ROW and GPIO connections to 1.27mm header pins on right-side of board for interconnect
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BdsNoMt.png)


So, with all those extra io connections, you should still be able to keep the CAPS/FN LED as well as the WASD LEDs and still have room to add a 4x6 keypad run from the same firmware... though someone would have to write that firmware.

Great work ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: bearcat on Wed, 16 October 2013, 23:23:06
Nice looking PCB!  Can't wait for the group buy :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: komar007 on Thu, 17 October 2013, 00:17:30
I love this board!
It's just a shame I probably wouldn't be able to use such a small kb...
Where is the chip? On the other side than shown?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 17 October 2013, 05:07:42
Yeah, all the controller components and usb connector are on the other side
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 17 October 2013, 05:53:58
i will literally sell my soul to get my hands on one of these
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 20 October 2013, 19:22:50
After thinking about it, I would totally get one. This+Ghpad=all I need
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: neoezekiel on Mon, 21 October 2013, 10:34:59
I am in for at least a pair when this gets to the point that we can start  a GB for a kit version. I'm So Excited I Can Barely Contain Myself :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: thoere on Mon, 21 October 2013, 17:46:51
Didn't realize there was going to be a group buy for this.
(http://data1.whicdn.com/images/20508352/tumblr_lvb2qyhO4T1qanebe_large.gif)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sprit on Wed, 23 October 2013, 00:22:48
Update...
  • pulled extra pin for ROW5 from ATMEGA pin 8/PB0
  • added GPIO4, GPIO5, GPIO6 connectors to ATMEGA pins 26/PD6, 22/PD5, 11/PB3
  • ran ROW and GPIO connections to 1.27mm header pins on right-side of board for interconnect
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BdsNoMt.png)


So, with all those extra io connections, you should still be able to keep the CAPS/FN LED as well as the WASD LEDs and still have room to add a 4x6 keypad run from the same firmware... though someone would have to write that firmware.
BIG Spamimg Love for this !!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:07:41
Okay, so I know this is not even near group buy status yet, but I do want to recommend something to everyone who is interested in getting one (eventually). As you probably know by now, 7bit is running Doubleshot Replacements Round 5 (Honeywell) at Deskthority. These are SA-profile (thick) double shot ABS keycaps from Signature Plastics.

He has included (at snoopy's suggestion) a kit specifically designed for this layout. To order the keycaps for this 40% keyboard, you would need to order:

HONEY/FORTY
HONEY/SPACE625

Big thanks to 7bit for including this set in his group buy!! :thumb:

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/doubleshot-replacements-round-5-honey-sphericals-t6732.html
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mashby on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:26:11
Thanks for the heads up jd! I just added the set to my order.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: panpipe on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:29:34
This is the cutest keyboard ever. Now my 60% looks fat and stupid.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:36:05
Special thanks to snoopy and 7bit.

Jdcarpe, can you post the keycaps needed specifically for the 40%, and add that info to the OP. I'd like them to be added to every future GB.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:37:32
Okay, so I know this is not even near group buy status yet, but I do want to recommend something to everyone who is interested in getting one (eventually). As you probably know by now, 7bit is running Doubleshot Replacements Round 5 (Honeywell) at Deskthority. These are SA-profile (thick) double shot ABS keycaps from Signature Plastics.

He has included (at snoopy's suggestion) a kit specifically designed for this layout. To order the keycaps for this 40% keyboard, you would need to order:

HONEY/FORTY
HONEY/SPACE625

Big thanks to 7bit for including this set in his group buy!! :thumb:

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/doubleshot-replacements-round-5-honey-sphericals-t6732.html

New page bump.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:41:47
Special thanks to snoopy and 7bit.

Jdcarpe, can you post the keycaps needed specifically for the 40%, and add that info to the OP. I'd like them to be added to every future GB.

Sure.

Row 2: 1u Esc, 1u Del or Backspace
Row 3: 1.25u Tab, 1.75u Return or Enter
Row 4: 1.75u Shift, 1.25u Shift, 1u Fn
Row 4 (SA Row 3): 1.25u Ctrl, 1u Win or Del, 1u Alt; optional layout: 1.25u >., 1.25u ?/
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:56:12
Now I really can't wait until this happens :D

I think it will look really good with the honeywell keys.  :cool:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:56:52
Okay, so I know this is not even near group buy status yet, but I do want to recommend something to everyone who is interested in getting one (eventually). As you probably know by now, 7bit is running Doubleshot Replacements Round 5 (Honeywell) at Deskthority. These are SA-profile (thick) double shot ABS keycaps from Signature Plastics.

He has included (at snoopy's suggestion) a kit specifically designed for this layout. To order the keycaps for this 40% keyboard, you would need to order:

HONEY/FORTY
HONEY/SPACE625

Big thanks to 7bit for including this set in his group buy!! :thumb:

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/doubleshot-replacements-round-5-honey-sphericals-t6732.html

Now I know I need this kit.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 09:57:31
Forgot the 1u R2 Esc.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 October 2013, 10:05:01
Forgot the 1u R2 Esc.

Fixed, thank you.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 10:12:15
Let's dub this the 40%/SmallFry kit.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 28 October 2013, 11:54:54
Let's dub this the 40%/SmallFry kit.

7bit cares not for the affairs of GHers.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 October 2013, 12:03:54
Let's dub this the 40%/SmallFry kit.

7bit cares not for the affairs of GHers.

I think MOZ was referring to the add-on kit for this 40%/SmallFry keyboard, a la tsangan and moogle kits.

And 7bit seems to care somewhat, as he monitors things here. He's just not active in discussions.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mashby on Mon, 28 October 2013, 13:27:27
And 7bit seems to care somewhat, as he monitors things here. He's just not active in discussions.

I would have to agree. Although he's not active here, he's seems to keep up to date. That and also because he's has plans to do a 40% board called Hyper as well.  :cool:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 28 October 2013, 13:32:44
Okay, so I know this is not even near group buy status yet, but I do want to recommend something to everyone who is interested in getting one (eventually). As you probably know by now, 7bit is running Doubleshot Replacements Round 5 (Honeywell) at Deskthority. These are SA-profile (thick) double shot ABS keycaps from Signature Plastics.

He has included (at snoopy's suggestion) a kit specifically designed for this layout. To order the keycaps for this 40% keyboard, you would need to order:

HONEY/FORTY
HONEY/SPACE625

Big thanks to 7bit for including this set in his group buy!! :thumb:

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/doubleshot-replacements-round-5-honey-sphericals-t6732.html

This is perfect.  Now I can get in on this GB but still have it be affordable!  Only $45 to outfit this 40% with some nice keycaps.   :thumb:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: PJE on Mon, 28 October 2013, 17:27:18
I'd love one of these keyboards with the space bar split into three (two wider keys and a central 1x1).

I might have a go after I finish my 20% keyboard... If the PCBs ever arrive!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 28 October 2013, 18:56:55
Now that I saw the 4 unit space bar in the deskthority round 5 gb, it makes me wonder why a 4 unit space bar isn't used for this 40% board.

You can probably fit two more key caps in the bottom row with a 4 unit space bar.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 19:09:48
I'd rather go with 2x 2.5 spacebars on either side and a 1.25u key in the center. Because you are generally hitting the spacebar on the sides.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 October 2013, 19:12:22
No split spacebars. Sorry. You want split spacebars, small spacebars, etc. you are welcome to create your own project.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 28 October 2013, 19:20:09
Hahahahah, not a fan myself, I said, I'd "rather" a split than small, but would prefer a large one if I have to use staggered layout.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Mon, 28 October 2013, 19:56:46
Just throwing this out there.  Would it be potentially possible to program macros with the keymap tool that 'metalliqaz' has built for the epsilon in order to create a second function layer.  Something like a Shift + Function layer?

I would probably put things like; caps lock, home, end, esc, in the Fn + Shift layer.  I don't mind picking up both hands for those types of operations. 

Current function layer:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ez0Ruct.jpg)

If something like this is possible, then we free up some real estate in the Fn layer. 

Just a thought.  Please tell me if I am speaking crazy...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 October 2013, 20:00:00
Just throwing this out there.  Would it be potentially possible to program macros with the keymap tool that 'metalliqaz' has built for the epsilon in order to create a second function layer.  Something like a Shift + Function layer?

I would probably put things like; caps lock, home, end, esc, in the Fn + Shift layer.  I don't mind picking up both hands for those types of operations. 

Current function layer:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Ez0Ruct.jpg)


If something like this is possible, then we free up some real estate in the Fn layer. 

Just a thought.  Please tell me if I am speaking crazy...

Oh it's definitely possible. Check out hasu's TMK firmware thread in addition to metalliqaz' Epsilon thread. The possibilities are great.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Mon, 28 October 2013, 20:36:27
Just throwing this out there.  Would it be potentially possible to program macros with the keymap tool that 'metalliqaz' has built for the epsilon in order to create a second function layer.  Something like a Shift + Function layer?

I would probably put things like; caps lock, home, end, esc, in the Fn + Shift layer.  I don't mind picking up both hands for those types of operations. 

Current function layer:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Ez0Ruct.jpg)


If something like this is possible, then we free up some real estate in the Fn layer. 

Just a thought.  Please tell me if I am speaking crazy...

Oh it's definitely possible. Check out hasu's TMK firmware thread in addition to metalliqaz' Epsilon thread. The possibilities are great.

Very cool.  Ya, there are a lot of possibilities then.  That top function row has a lot of potential.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Tue, 29 October 2013, 12:46:33
MY GOAL: Make a 40% board viable and hopefully intuitive for software developers (aka - Me)...

Here is what I have come up with so far.  Note: Top print is the default layer, bottom print is 'shift' layer...
Standard layer...
[attach=1]

Function layer...
[attach=2]

My considerations:
- I added support for Ins, Del, Return and Caps in the standard layer.
- I dramatically changed the way the function layer worked.
- Function row should not take up 12 keys.  I tend to use the function keys in groups, so I created groups of 3 for them.
- I moved the numbers and their symbols to a numpad style and added things near the pad that would be often used with numbers: . + - * / Enter
- I added Ctrl support in the function layer because I often use things like 'Ctrl + [' and 'Ctrl +]' for indenting and such in text editors (also commenting blocks and such)
- I tend to use two hands for brackets and braces anyway, so I created bracket and braces group in the middle of the keyboard.
- I tried to keep the keys like: ' " : ; = + - _ \ ? / | closer to where they are in my muscle memory. 
- I added support for Pg Up and Pg Dn
- Edit: I intentionally did not add a 'Fn + Shift' layer for 'up, down, left, right, home, end' because I use those as selection modification.

As a side note.  I did two color keycaps because that is how I would probably build this for myself.  If I am using blank keycaps, I would want some points of reference.  This is just my preference... 

Last but not least...  Here are links for you to build your own 40 layouts...

Standard Layer (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=Esc%0AIns&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Q&=W&=E&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=R&=T&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Y&=U&=I&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=O&=P&=Bksp%0ADel%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Tab%0ACaps&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=A&=S&=D&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&_w:1.75%3B&=Enter%0AReturn%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Shift&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Z&=X&=C&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=V&=B&=N&=M&=.%0A,&_c=%23b9bab4&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=Fn%3B&@_c=%23eeeeee&w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&=Win&=Alt&_w:6.25%3B&=&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl)

Function Layer (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=%23FFFFFF%3B&@=%60%0A~&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=1%0A!&=2%0A%2F@&=3%0A%23&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=%5B%0A%7B&=%5D%0A%7D&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=F1%0AF4&=F2%0AF5&=F3%0AF6&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=F7%0AF10&=F8%0AF11&=F9%0AF12%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=4%0A$&=5%0A%25&=6%0A%5E&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=%3C%0A(&=%3E%0A)&=Pg%20Up&=%5C%0A%7C&=%2F%2F%0A%3F&=-%0A%2F_&_w:1.75%3B&=%2F=%0A+%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Up&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=7%0A%2F&&=8%0A*&=9%0A.&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=+%0A-&=*%0A%2F%2F&=Pg%20Dn&=%2F%3B%0A%2F:&='%0A%22&_c=%23b9bab4&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=Fn%3B&@_c=%23eeeeee&w:1.25%3B&=Left&=Down&=Right&_w:6.25%3B&=0%0AEnter&_w:1.25%3B&=Home&_w:1.25%3B&=End)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: JulienC on Tue, 29 October 2013, 15:45:31
MY GOAL: Make a 40% board viable and hopefully intuitive for software developers (aka - Me)...

Here is what I have come up with so far.  Note: Top print is the default layer, bottom print is 'shift' layer...
Standard layer...
(Attachment Link)

Function layer...
(Attachment Link)

My considerations:
- I added support for Ins, Del, Return and Caps in the standard layer.
- I dramatically changed the way the function layer worked.
- Function row should not take up 12 keys.  I tend to use the function keys in groups, so I created groups of 3 for them.
- I moved the numbers and their symbols to a numpad style and added things near the pad that would be often used with numbers: . + - * / Enter
- I added Ctrl support in the function layer because I often use things like 'Ctrl + [' and 'Ctrl +]' for indenting and such in text editors (also commenting blocks and such)
- I tend to use two hands for brackets and braces anyway, so I created bracket and braces group in the middle of the keyboard.
- I tried to keep the keys like: ' " : ; = + - _ \ ? / | closer to where they are in my muscle memory. 
- I added support for Pg Up and Pg Dn

As a side note.  I did two color keycaps because that is how I would probably build this for myself.  If I am using blank keycaps, I would want some points of reference.  This is just my preference... 

Last but not least...  Here are links for you to build your own 40 layouts...

Standard Layer (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=Esc%0AIns&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Q&=W&=E&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=R&=T&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Y&=U&=I&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=O&=P&=Bksp%0ADel%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Tab%0ACaps&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=A&=S&=D&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&_w:1.75%3B&=Enter%0AReturn%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Shift&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Z&=X&=C&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=V&=B&=N&=M&=.%0A,&_c=%23b9bab4&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=Fn%3B&@_c=%23eeeeee&w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&=Win&=Alt&_w:6.25%3B&=&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl)

Function Layer (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=%23FFFFFF%3B&@=%60%0A~&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=1%0A!&=2%0A%2F@&=3%0A%23&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=%5B%0A%7B&=%5D%0A%7D&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=F1%0AF4&=F2%0AF5&=F3%0AF6&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=F7%0AF10&=F8%0AF11&=F9%0AF12%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=4%0A$&=5%0A%25&=6%0A%5E&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=%3C%0A(&=%3E%0A)&=Pg%20Up&=%5C%0A%7C&=%2F%2F%0A%3F&=-%0A%2F_&_w:1.75%3B&=%2F=%0A+%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Up&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=7%0A%2F&&=8%0A*&=9%0A.&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=+%0A-&=*%0A%2F%2F&=Pg%20Dn&=%2F%3B%0A%2F:&='%0A%22&_c=%23b9bab4&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=Fn%3B&@_c=%23eeeeee&w:1.25%3B&=Left&=Down&=Right&_w:6.25%3B&=0%0AEnter&_w:1.25%3B&=Home&_w:1.25%3B&=End)

Looks great, I'd want to try that.
The only thing I would change is leave the Ctrl key next to the 'A' key on both layers.

Edit: The Tab key is useful, but in vim you can use Ctrl+t in insert mode, and >> in command mode to insert tabs, so I would put the Tab key on the bottom row in the standard layer.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Tue, 29 October 2013, 16:17:01
Looks great, I'd want to try that.
The only thing I would change is leave the Ctrl key next to the 'A' key on both layers.

Edit: The Tab key is useful, but in vim you can use Ctrl+t in insert mode, and >> in command mode to insert tabs, so I would put the Tab key on the bottom row in the standard layer.

Tab is hardcoded into my brain to be up and left on a keyboard and I use tab all the time, so for me it makes sense there.  The great thing about programmable controllers and keymap softwares is that you could make that change easily in your setup...

This layout is not going to be everything for everyone.  This was my first attempt to make a usable layout for a coder...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 29 October 2013, 19:41:14
I just need 1 more key (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=Esc%0ATab&_c=#b9bab4;&=%27%0A%22&=,%0A%3C&=.%0A%3E&_c=#eeeeee;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AP&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AY&_c=#b9bab4;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AF&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AG&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AC&_c=#eeeeee;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AR&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AL&=Bksp%0ADel;&@_a:7&w:1.25;&=Ctrl%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0ACtrl&_c=#b9bab4&a:4;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AA&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AO&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AE&_c=#eeeeee;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AU&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AI&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AD&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AH&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AT&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AN&_w:1.75;&=Enter%0AReturn;&@=Shift&_c=#b9bab4;&=/;%0A/:&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AQ&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AJ&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AK&_c=#eeeeee;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AX&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AM&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AW&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AV&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AZ&_c=#b9bab4;&=-%0A/_&=Shift;&@_c=#eeeeee&w:1.25;&=%0A%0A%0AFn&=Alt&_a:7;&=WinK&_a:4&w:6.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=Alt&_w:1.25;&=Ctrl)

It'd be two keys but I shrank the shift keys to shove an extra in row two. As a (some times) coder (bash, vim) I really want the punctuation to be accessible (well, there's novel writing in November, too) but again, if I were to have a 40% I'd carry it around to work on other folk's computers without tweaking their layout, etc.

So maybe I should just yank 'H' as well as 'B' and shove 'em somewhere on the third layer. Edit-before-posting: Ignore the colors. I can't see 'em on FF as I have that turned off.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Tue, 29 October 2013, 20:16:25
I just need 1 more key (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=Esc%0ATab&_c=#b9bab4;&=%27%0A%22&=,%0A%3C&=.%0A%3E&_c=#eeeeee;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AP&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AY&_c=#b9bab4;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AF&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AG&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AC&_c=#eeeeee;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AR&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AL&=Bksp%0ADel;&@_a:7&w:1.25;&=Ctrl%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0ACtrl&_c=#b9bab4&a:4;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AA&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AO&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AE&_c=#eeeeee;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AU&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AI&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AD&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AH&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AT&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AN&_w:1.75;&=Enter%0AReturn;&@=Shift&_c=#b9bab4;&=/;%0A/:&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AQ&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AJ&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AK&_c=#eeeeee;&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AX&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AM&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AW&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AV&=%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0AZ&_c=#b9bab4;&=-%0A/_&=Shift;&@_c=#eeeeee&w:1.25;&=%0A%0A%0AFn&=Alt&_a:7;&=WinK&_a:4&w:6.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=Alt&_w:1.25;&=Ctrl)

It'd be two keys but I shrank the shift keys to shove an extra in row two. As a (some times) coder (bash, vim) I really want the punctuation to be accessible (well, there's novel writing in November, too) but again, if I were to have a 40% I'd carry it around to work on other folk's computers without tweaking their layout, etc.

So maybe I should just yank 'H' as well as 'B' and shove 'em somewhere on the third layer. Edit-before-posting: Ignore the colors. I can't see 'em on FF as I have that turned off.

Do you really need alt and ctrl on both sides of the board? 

You should be able to add a shift layer to your WinKey or Alt on either side.

Or maybe put Esc into the function layer and use that shift layer something.  What key are you missing?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Tue, 29 October 2013, 20:32:22
MY GOAL: Make a 40% board viable and hopefully intuitive for software developers (aka - Me)...

Here is what I have come up with so far.  Note: Top print is the default layer, bottom print is 'shift' layer...
Standard layer...
(Attachment Link)

Function layer...
(Attachment Link)

My considerations:
- I added support for Ins, Del, Return and Caps in the standard layer.
- I dramatically changed the way the function layer worked.
- Function row should not take up 12 keys.  I tend to use the function keys in groups, so I created groups of 3 for them.
- I moved the numbers and their symbols to a numpad style and added things near the pad that would be often used with numbers: . + - * / Enter
- I added Ctrl support in the function layer because I often use things like 'Ctrl + [' and 'Ctrl +]' for indenting and such in text editors (also commenting blocks and such)
- I tend to use two hands for brackets and braces anyway, so I created bracket and braces group in the middle of the keyboard.
- I tried to keep the keys like: ' " : ; = + - _ \ ? / | closer to where they are in my muscle memory. 
- I added support for Pg Up and Pg Dn
- Edit: I intentionally did not add a 'Fn + Shift' layer for 'up, down, left, right, home, end' because I use those as selection modification.

As a side note.  I did two color keycaps because that is how I would probably build this for myself.  If I am using blank keycaps, I would want some points of reference.  This is just my preference... 

Last but not least...  Here are links for you to build your own 40 layouts...

Standard Layer (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=Esc%0AIns&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Q&=W&=E&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=R&=T&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Y&=U&=I&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=O&=P&=Bksp%0ADel%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Tab%0ACaps&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=A&=S&=D&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&_w:1.75%3B&=Enter%0AReturn%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Shift&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=Z&=X&=C&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=V&=B&=N&=M&=.%0A,&_c=%23b9bab4&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=Fn%3B&@_c=%23eeeeee&w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&=Win&=Alt&_w:6.25%3B&=&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl)

Function Layer (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=%23FFFFFF%3B&@=%60%0A~&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=1%0A!&=2%0A%2F@&=3%0A%23&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=%5B%0A%7B&=%5D%0A%7D&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=F1%0AF4&=F2%0AF5&=F3%0AF6&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=F7%0AF10&=F8%0AF11&=F9%0AF12%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=4%0A$&=5%0A%25&=6%0A%5E&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=%3C%0A(&=%3E%0A)&=Pg%20Up&=%5C%0A%7C&=%2F%2F%0A%3F&=-%0A%2F_&_w:1.75%3B&=%2F=%0A+%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Up&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=7%0A%2F&&=8%0A*&=9%0A.&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=+%0A-&=*%0A%2F%2F&=Pg%20Dn&=%2F%3B%0A%2F:&='%0A%22&_c=%23b9bab4&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=Fn%3B&@_c=%23eeeeee&w:1.25%3B&=Left&=Down&=Right&_w:6.25%3B&=0%0AEnter&_w:1.25%3B&=Home&_w:1.25%3B&=End)

Here is another version of my Fn layer which gives you Alt and Ctrl with the Shift and Fn cluster on the right and moves the Home / End into the 'Fn' layer and moved the Pg Up and Pg Dn into the 'Shift + Fn' layer.

Function Layer 2...
[attach=1]

Here is its code... (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=%23FFFFFF%3B&@=%60%0A~&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=1%0A!&=2%0A%2F@&=3%0A%23&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=%5B%0A%7B&=%5D%0A%7D&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=F1%0AF4&=F2%0AF5&=F3%0AF6&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=F7%0AF10&=F8%0AF11&=F9%0AF12%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=4%0A$&=5%0A%25&=6%0A%5E&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=%3C%0A(&=%3E%0A)&=Home%0APg%20Up&=%5C%0A%7C&=%2F%2F%0A%3F&=-%0A%2F_&_w:1.75%3B&=%2F=%0A+%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Up&_c=%23b9bab4%3B&=7%0A%2F&&=8%0A*&=9%0A.&_c=%23eeeeee%3B&=+%0A-&=*%0A%2F%2F&=End%0APg%20Dn&=%2F%3B%0A%2F:&='%0A%22&_c=%23b9bab4&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=Fn%3B&@_c=%23eeeeee&w:1.25%3B&=Left&=Down&=Right&_w:6.25%3B&=0%0AEnter&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 30 October 2013, 19:42:25
This is an exciting project. Having the layout generator is great for riffing off others ideas, so thanks for those. Unfortunately, all I have to offer will be my cash when they become available to buy. I've ordered a 40% set from Round 5 in preparation.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: CalmB4tehPwn on Wed, 30 October 2013, 20:52:23
Ooph. Looks like things are coming together for the SmallFry. That stainless steel variant looks sexy as ****. I apologize if this has been answered previous, but do we have a timeline on getting a stainless steel case/PCB GB together for this? And any idea on a ballpark cost?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 31 October 2013, 17:04:38
Dammit.  I have no need for one of this keyboard.  Yet I had a strange desire for one.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Badwrench on Thu, 31 October 2013, 17:29:36
This is looking amazing.  Really liking all the flexibility of layouts on the pcb, especially considering the tiny footprint. 
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 01 November 2013, 00:51:48
Now to squeeze in bluetooth and it will become quite the favorite tablet keyboard :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 01 November 2013, 00:55:38
I won't need anything else except for this and a qazpad. Maybe an ergodox. And maybe a topre board. But nothing else. Except novelty caps
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 01 November 2013, 02:41:55
It starts out innocently enough.

Then you're diving through bins looking for boards to rescue and finally you're buying keyboards you can't even connect to a PC.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Fri, 01 November 2013, 06:12:06
It starts out innocently enough.

Then you're diving through bins looking for boards to rescue and finally you're buying keyboards you can't even connect to a PC.

... then you go out and buy a used SparcStation because they're cheap now, and you can then use your Sun Type 5 keyboards for... uhh... something

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 01 November 2013, 08:38:07
It starts out innocently enough.

Then you're diving through bins looking for boards to rescue and finally you're buying keyboards you can't even connect to a PC.

... then you go out and buy a used SparcStation because they're cheap now, and you can then use your Sun Type 5 keyboards for... uhh... something

Those are about as useful as a poopie-flavored lolly pop.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Fri, 01 November 2013, 08:54:43
It starts out innocently enough.

Then you're diving through bins looking for boards to rescue and finally you're buying keyboards you can't even connect to a PC.

... then you go out and buy a used SparcStation because they're cheap now, and you can then use your Sun Type 5 keyboards for... uhh... something

Those are about as useful as a poopie-flavored lolly pop.

The Sparcstation IPX was small before small was cool... plus you can gut one pretty easily and put a mini-itx board inside, but now we're pretty far off topic :D

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Hellmark on Fri, 01 November 2013, 09:42:45
It starts out innocently enough.

Then you're diving through bins looking for boards to rescue and finally you're buying keyboards you can't even connect to a PC.

God you're right, last night I was looking at a heathkit H19 keyboard. I've also been itching a bit to pick up an old terminal, simply to run off of my work desktop (which runs Linux). You guys are bad. I thought it was hazardous for my wallet when I fell in with the fountain pen crowd.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 01 November 2013, 15:33:35
Just had to pop in to say that this little keyboard is beautiful!

It's the only staggered layout board I actually still want!  :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Sinzz on Fri, 01 November 2013, 17:31:54
whoa.. first time seeing a 40%. pretty neat. not a fan of not having dedicated arrow keys, but I'd definitely try this little guy out!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 01 November 2013, 20:15:17
It starts out innocently enough.

Then you're diving through bins looking for boards to rescue and finally you're buying keyboards you can't even connect to a PC.

... then you go out and buy a used SparcStation because they're cheap now, and you can then use your Sun Type 5 keyboards for... uhh... something




/hides Ultra 60 and Type 5 keyboard with mouse (I think the mouse is still around... somewhere).

I have no idea what you're talking about.

>.>
<.<

Luckily in my case, it was a box my employer was going to pay to have someone remove.  I helped them out.  Kinda wish I'd grabbed the HP itaniums with HP-UX on them.  Just cause.  I mean, those should be able to run OpenVMS so I'd have one of each!

For... no good reason since I can already run OpenVMS on emulated Alphas or VAX and it's a lot easier on the electricity bill ;)  Though I wouldn't have HP-UX.  Which... is fine with me.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 14 November 2013, 21:04:40
Do you know when this is going into GB phase?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 14 November 2013, 21:09:43
Still plenty of development, testing. We need to test full LED support, PCB mounted switch/stabs, SMD components, firmware.

Therefore, not anytime soon.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 15 November 2013, 19:46:16
Then we'll see an ErgoDox (style) minimalist board along these lines because... why not?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 15 November 2013, 19:47:34
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48718.0
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 15 November 2013, 20:23:24
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48718.0

Damn, I must have missed that one.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Mon, 25 November 2013, 21:04:29
This is awesome
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Sun, 01 December 2013, 04:54:20
Just a reminder:
Whoever plans to buy the smallfry keyboard, should have a look at round5: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

HONEY/FORTY  -- gives you a complete set of keycaps that fits perfectly and contains some unique keys, specially for the 40% keyboard, for only 35$
HONEY/SPACE625  -- a matching spacebar for only 3$

and if you want, you can additionally order some keyboardrunners in the right profile (row2) for the toprow of this board:

HONEY/KBDRUNNER/RED/R2  -- 1$


So guys, order some kits. And if you already ordered, order some additional kbdrunners in row2 :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 01 December 2013, 19:06:50
Just a reminder:
Whoever plans to buy the smallfry keyboard, should have a look at round5: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

HONEY/FORTY  -- gives you a complete set of keycaps that fits perfectly and contains some unique keys, specially for the 40% keyboard, for only 35$
HONEY/SPACE625  -- a matching spacebar for only 3$

and if you want, you can additionally order some keyboardrunners in the right profile (row2) for the toprow of this board:

HONEY/KBDRUNNER/RED/R2  -- 1$


So guys, order some kits. And if you already ordered, order some additional kbdrunners in row2 :)

when's the deadline?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Sun, 01 December 2013, 19:13:55
Just a reminder:
Whoever plans to buy the smallfry keyboard, should have a look at round5: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

HONEY/FORTY  -- gives you a complete set of keycaps that fits perfectly and contains some unique keys, specially for the 40% keyboard, for only 35$
HONEY/SPACE625  -- a matching spacebar for only 3$

and if you want, you can additionally order some keyboardrunners in the right profile (row2) for the toprow of this board:

HONEY/KBDRUNNER/RED/R2  -- 1$


So guys, order some kits. And if you already ordered, order some additional kbdrunners in row2 :)

when's the deadline?


Unless it changed... it was yesterday.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 01 December 2013, 19:14:36
Just a reminder:
Whoever plans to buy the smallfry keyboard, should have a look at round5: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

HONEY/FORTY  -- gives you a complete set of keycaps that fits perfectly and contains some unique keys, specially for the 40% keyboard, for only 35$
HONEY/SPACE625  -- a matching spacebar for only 3$

and if you want, you can additionally order some keyboardrunners in the right profile (row2) for the toprow of this board:

HONEY/KBDRUNNER/RED/R2  -- 1$


So guys, order some kits. And if you already ordered, order some additional kbdrunners in row2 :)

when's the deadline?


Unless it changed... it was yesterday.

welp, at least I don't have that much on me anyways
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 02 December 2013, 02:22:52

Just a reminder:
Whoever plans to buy the smallfry keyboard, should have a look at round5: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

HONEY/FORTY  -- gives you a complete set of keycaps that fits perfectly and contains some unique keys, specially for the 40% keyboard, for only 35$
HONEY/SPACE625  -- a matching spacebar for only 3$

and if you want, you can additionally order some keyboardrunners in the right profile (row2) for the toprow of this board:

HONEY/KBDRUNNER/RED/R2  -- 1$


So guys, order some kits. And if you already ordered, order some additional kbdrunners in row2 :)

when's the deadline?


Unless it changed... it was yesterday.

welp, at least I don't have that much on me anyways

You can still order! ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 04 December 2013, 17:46:33
I lost my stabilizer stems

(http://i.imgur.com/po9XSjX.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/AEPPlwL.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/FNkjuTZ.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/SAFn6cj.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/Lu3ZoaQ.jpg)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 04 December 2013, 18:26:30
I need one  :eek:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:03:35
btw, that's the same orange that Ming is using in the panavise powder coat, but without the pearl.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:08:51
I lost my stabilizer stems

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/po9XSjX.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AEPPlwL.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/FNkjuTZ.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/SAFn6cj.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Lu3ZoaQ.jpg)


Damnnn that orange is slick ;o
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:58:50
Looking good. Looking very good.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 04 December 2013, 20:01:55
Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
[attach=1]
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Wed, 04 December 2013, 22:25:22
Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
(Attachment Link)

Your software is going to get a serious workout once I get my 40%.  :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:25:01
Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
(Attachment Link)

Now I have to buy a GH40
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:32:48
I lost my stabilizer stems

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/po9XSjX.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AEPPlwL.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/FNkjuTZ.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/SAFn6cj.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Lu3ZoaQ.jpg)


looks so good... I hope development process runs well and we soon see a gb for this.

Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
(Attachment Link)

Now I have to buy a GH40

and then cancel it?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:34:37

Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
(Attachment Link)

Now I have to buy a GH40

and then cancel it?

[attachimg=1]

And now I'm thinking maybe I need to order that R5 40% kit....
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:36:04

Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
(Attachment Link)

Now I have to buy a GH40

and then cancel it?

(Attachment Link)

And now I'm thinking maybe I need to order that R5 40% kit....

Order it. It's cheap and looks awesome.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:37:12

Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
(Attachment Link)

Now I have to buy a GH40

and then cancel it?

(Attachment Link)

And now I'm thinking maybe I need to order that R5 40% kit....

Order it. It's cheap and looks awesome.

But no guarantee I can get the keyboard :(
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:37:25
We can still order stuff from that buy?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:38:44
We can still order stuff from that buy?

yes, you can. you can even cancel the orders with CLEARALL
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:40:31

Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
(Attachment Link)

Now I have to buy a GH40

and then cancel it?

(Attachment Link)

And now I'm thinking maybe I need to order that R5 40% kit....

Order it. It's cheap and looks awesome.

But no guarantee I can get the keyboard :(

You can get it.


We can still order stuff from that buy?

Yes, you can still order.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:40:59

Nice work my good man

EDIT: May I?
(Attachment Link)

Now I have to buy a GH40

and then cancel it?

(Attachment Link)

And now I'm thinking maybe I need to order that R5 40% kit....

Order it. It's cheap and looks awesome.

But no guarantee I can get the keyboard :(

My plan B would be to ask one of the case guys to just make me a case/plate for this. But I really hope this will happen one day.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:42:36
You can get it.

[attachimg=1]

you better not be lion because i'm about to go order some keycaps right NOW  :p
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Thu, 05 December 2013, 17:59:52
There was a snag on the first GHpad prototype, which has bled over into alterations on the Smallfry...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 05 December 2013, 20:47:54
Does the PCB support alps switches? I'm thinking of making a board with matias quiet switches, they feel really nice.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 05 December 2013, 20:50:00
Does the PCB support alps switches? I'm thinking of making a board with matias quiet switches, they feel really nice.

No
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 06 December 2013, 15:12:22
Does the PCB support alps switches? I'm thinking of making a board with matias quiet switches, they feel really nice.

But that would require buying the PCB, as well as the Matias Quiet switches, and, well... we all know how that will turn out.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 06 December 2013, 15:14:26
Does the PCB support alps switches? I'm thinking of making a board with matias quiet switches, they feel really nice.

But that would require buying the PCB, as well as the Matias Quiet switches, and, well... we all know how that will turn out.

Someone already made that joke yesterday
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 06 December 2013, 15:16:19
Does the PCB support alps switches? I'm thinking of making a board with matias quiet switches, they feel really nice.

But that would require buying the PCB, as well as the Matias Quiet switches, and, well... we all know how that will turn out.

Someone already made that joke yesterday

Dang... was it deleted? Looks like I'm not only slow, but unoriginal.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 06 December 2013, 15:17:35
Does the PCB support alps switches? I'm thinking of making a board with matias quiet switches, they feel really nice.

But that would require buying the PCB, as well as the Matias Quiet switches, and, well... we all know how that will turn out.

Someone already made that joke yesterday

Dang... was it deleted? Looks like I'm not only slow, but unoriginal.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47133.msg1146391#msg1146391
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 06 December 2013, 15:21:40
Wow, so now you're saying I'm slow, unoriginal, and illiterate?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tbc on Wed, 08 January 2014, 00:04:46
are people planning on using these as their primary?  or as their laptop keyboard?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Wed, 08 January 2014, 10:55:31
are people planning on using these as their primary?  or as their laptop keyboard?

depends on how quickly I can pick up the layout.  i will most likely travel with it as my road warrior...

i suspect I am going to have some issues coding with it because of the requirement of Fn for stuff like ;, ', ", {, }, (, ), etc...

only time will tell.  :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Sun, 12 January 2014, 22:03:26
Pretty excited about this.  I have 3 or 4 different Fn/Fn2 layers in the plans.  Trying to figure out what is going to make the most sense once my fingers are on that board.  If I can figure out a way to code on that board I would be VERY happy...  All those special characters are going to be a bit tricky I think, but I just need to find one good FN layout which suits my brain.  :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sublime on Sun, 12 January 2014, 23:22:57
I oh-so-really want this keyboard. I'd take it with me to class and everything. Maybe even to the bathroom, too.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Wed, 15 January 2014, 19:40:49

I oh-so-really want this keyboard. I'd take it with me to class and everything. Maybe even to the bathroom, too.


"To the bathroom," you say?


[attach=1]

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 15 January 2014, 19:41:59
I'll take mine to the top of Mt. Fuji!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 15 January 2014, 20:31:45
@_@ MUST..HAVE...NOW!


I can has beta testing?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sublime on Wed, 15 January 2014, 20:55:57

I oh-so-really want this keyboard. I'd take it with me to class and everything. Maybe even to the bathroom, too.


"To the bathroom," you say?


(Attachment Link)

Don't play with my toilet-based emotions like that!  :'( It's such a beautiful board and I would love and cherish it always...!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Wed, 15 January 2014, 21:46:37
This thing sure is small... I'm not sure I'll be able to get used to it.  Looking forward to building it though :D

I should have all of the parts sometime next week for those who want to be beta testers.  Those pesky atmegas were illusive.  I think it'll be ~$20-25 for everything but switches.  As of right now, there are 10 available. 
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 15 January 2014, 21:59:14
This thing sure is small... I'm not sure I'll be able to get used to it.  Looking forward to building it though :D

I should have all of the parts sometime next week for those who want to be beta testers.  Those pesky atmegas were illusive.  I think it'll be ~$20-25 for everything but switches.  As of right now, there are 10 available.
I am down please, I have soldering equipment and 41 clear switches sitting around doing nothing :)

What do we do about the cases?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:17:28

This thing sure is small... I'm not sure I'll be able to get used to it.  Looking forward to building it though :D

I should have all of the parts sometime next week for those who want to be beta testers.  Those pesky atmegas were illusive.  I think it'll be ~$20-25 for everything but switches.  As of right now, there are 10 available.
I am down please, I have soldering equipment and 41 clear switches sitting around doing nothing :)

What do we do about the cases?

I am getting one to prototype my case. swillkb.com and the thread in my sig.

I hope to be able to supply instructions for building your own case DIY style. It should be very affordable to do.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sublime on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:41:29
 I'm definitely up for being a beta tester! However, I probably don't have as much as experience as most members of this forum with regards to soldering.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 15 January 2014, 23:17:58
Question about all the stuff that comes with these for beta testing, what do we need? Do we simply need switches and you will provide stabilizers and all that stuff?

I am still down though :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AGmurdercore on Thu, 16 January 2014, 01:18:26
This thing sure is small... I'm not sure I'll be able to get used to it.  Looking forward to building it though :D

I should have all of the parts sometime next week for those who want to be beta testers.  Those pesky atmegas were illusive.  I think it'll be ~$20-25 for everything but switches.  As of right now, there are 10 available.
I REALLY want to beta test this thing too, please :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Thu, 16 January 2014, 08:48:46
Question about all the stuff that comes with these for beta testing, what do we need? Do we simply need switches and you will provide stabilizers and all that stuff?

I am still down though :)

I ordered enough components for each of the boards so I can provide the atmega32u4, usb, reset switch, diodes, caps, resistors, crystal... all those bits.

The main things everyone will have to supply for themselves will be switches, stabilizers, cases and LEDs.   That said, I do have some LEDs and through-hole resistors (for those LEDs) but limited choices if you don't want to supply those on your own.


Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:26:08
Question about all the stuff that comes with these for beta testing, what do we need? Do we simply need switches and you will provide stabilizers and all that stuff?

I am still down though :)

I ordered enough components for each of the boards so I can provide the atmega32u4, usb, reset switch, diodes, caps, resistors, crystal... all those bits.

The main things everyone will have to supply for themselves will be switches, stabilizers, cases and LEDs.   That said, I do have some LEDs and through-hole resistors (for those LEDs) but limited choices if you don't want to supply those on your own.
Thanks, I am going to have to think about this. I have never done SMD soldering and I just found out this morning that the shipping for a group buy I am in right now is going to cost considerably more than I was anticipating.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grimey on Sun, 19 January 2014, 20:59:39
Would be willing to throw myself in as a beta tester, have switches, stabs, made cases for other boards in the past etc.

My only reserve would be the difficulty in soldering on the controller, I have soldered a many a switch and connector, but never something that small.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 19 January 2014, 21:01:47
If it wasn't for the SMD soldering I'd be down to test one of these.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 19 January 2014, 21:43:21

Would be willing to throw myself in as a beta tester, have switches, stabs, made cases for other boards in the past etc.

My only reserve would be the difficulty in soldering on the controller, I have soldered a many a switch and connector, but never something that small.

The controller isn't even the hardest part to solder...it's that damn crystal. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 20 January 2014, 08:34:25
guys, help me to get the price of this down:

HONEY/FORTY/BLACK
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

:D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 20 January 2014, 08:36:53
guys, help me to get the price of this down:

HONEY/FORTY/BLACK
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5 (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5)

 :D

I thought about getting that but I think I'm going to pass on 40%  :-X
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 20 January 2014, 08:39:57
Where do I order one?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 20 January 2014, 08:41:45
Where do I order one?

Need to be beta tested first, then GB.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sean4star on Mon, 20 January 2014, 17:00:30
What would be involved with helping beta test?  I am comfortable soldering SMD, IC's, etc.  What about sourcing the components; switches, plates, pcb, etc?  And what sort of testing are you looking for?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grimey on Tue, 21 January 2014, 10:26:16
What would be involved with helping beta test?  I am comfortable soldering SMD, IC's, etc.  What about sourcing the components; switches, plates, pcb, etc?  And what sort of testing are you looking for?

Good point, I can solder (arguably), program, construct cases, have the components but not sure what parts you are looking to test specifically.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Tue, 21 January 2014, 18:45:30
What would be involved with helping beta test?  I am comfortable soldering SMD, IC's, etc.  What about sourcing the components; switches, plates, pcb, etc?  And what sort of testing are you looking for?

Good point, I can solder (arguably), program, construct cases, have the components but not sure what parts you are looking to test specifically.

My plan was to put everything needed into a box, and send that out: PCB, atmega, mini usb, crystal, caps, resistors, diodes...  I have some leds as well and could include appropriate resistors if people want to pick from the colors that I happen to have (blue, green, orange, I believe) - there are only 6 LEDs supported natively, the other 34 would have to have some kind of accessory board to operate.

Testing would involve... building it, making sure it works?  There are only 2 places with alternate key locations.  I intend to also test using the expansion pads (on the right side of the board) to add in a keypad to the matrix.

Maybe document what problems, or whatever you find along the way that could be fixed?  That's all that comes to mind right now. 

Now I need to ping Metalliqaz to make sure this version get supported in his firmware.
The only thing I don't have are switches.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sean4star on Tue, 21 January 2014, 19:54:33
I'm adding this-
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/6f/HONEY_FORTY_BASE.png)
to my Round 5 (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5#Send_order_to_get_on_the_train:_2014-01-06) order.

I'm already ordering a set of the alphas, and the mods for the SmallFry KB or only a little bit more.

I would definitely like to be part of the beta when it happens, so just let me know what you need me to do.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Wed, 22 January 2014, 09:06:30
guys, help me to get the price of this down:

HONEY/FORTY/BLACK
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

:D

Aren't the prices fixed already?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 22 January 2014, 09:14:43
guys, help me to get the price of this down:

HONEY/FORTY/BLACK
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

:D

Aren't the prices fixed already?

Yes and No, some of the newer kits are not
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Wed, 22 January 2014, 10:51:33
guys, help me to get the price of this down:

HONEY/FORTY/BLACK
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

:D

Aren't the prices fixed already?

Yes and No, some of the newer kits are not

I am assuming that only the kits labeled with something like the following would not be price fixed.

Rebates for larger orders:

I do not see that associated with the black 40% kit...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sean4star on Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:41:25
The "Rebates for larger orders" only apply if you order multiples of the same set, AFAIK.  For the most part, the prices are fixed.  But, there were several sets that were added only recently, so their prices are still in flux.  And actually, several of them aren't meeting the MOQ, so they may get cut...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 22 January 2014, 13:08:14
I still think this would be baller with a gon skinny-esq case for it. It should be pretty cheap, and I believe that one of us had made one like that before.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 22 January 2014, 13:16:01
I still think this would be baller with a gon skinny-esq case for it. It should be pretty cheap, and I believe that one of us had made one like that before.

You mean like the pic I took of my purple case project in the OP?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 22 January 2014, 13:18:38
I still think this would be baller with a gon skinny-esq case for it. It should be pretty cheap, and I believe that one of us had made one like that before.

You mean like the pic I took of my purple case project in the OP?
Is that what it is like? I couldn't ever tell since there isn't a view from the side.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: shrapneL on Thu, 30 January 2014, 11:04:47
Can't wait to see the final product so I can order one of these bad boys :)

And if needed, I would like to beta test :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Sun, 02 February 2014, 21:22:41
I have enough PCBs and parts for 10 prototype kits to people who want to poke around.  I put mine together, but it doesn't have any firmware on it yet.  Been really busy lately, sorry.

Anyway, here's the cost breakdown :

Ref       Value           Quantity  Unit      Ext Cost   
-----------------------------------------------------------
PCB       -               1         14.03     14.03
C1,C2     22pF            2         0.07       0.14       
C3,C8     1uF             2         0.08       0.16
C4..C7    0.1uF           4         0.07       0.14
D1..D56   1N4148          40        0.04       1.60
IC1       ATMEGA32U4      1         4.17       4.17
J1        USB MINI-B      1         1.10       1.10       
R1,R2     22 Ohm          2         0.06       0.12     
R3,R5     10 kOhm         2         0.06       0.12     
S0        ADTSMW69NVTR    1         0.42       0.42
X1        7M-16.000MAAJ-T 1         1.45       1.45
-----------------------------------------------------------
                                     Total : $23.59


I don't know what shipping might be...



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Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Sun, 02 February 2014, 23:57:40
consider me volunteered, but need to work out some shipping stuff :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 03 February 2014, 00:28:29
consider me volunteered, but need to work out some shipping stuff :)

I sent you a pm! Also, consider me interested for a prototype!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 03 February 2014, 08:50:35
So as of now, these are spoken for and I have 0 remaining :
SpAmRaY
FrankyP
Halverson
 + sth
 + YoungMichael88
Snoopy
tinnie
shrapneL
iAmAhab
Grendel
-
wiredPanda is on the waiting list
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 03 February 2014, 08:51:59
I take one. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:07:23
Mine is already in the MozBox?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:08:50
Mine is already in the MozBox?

Yup!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: shrapneL on Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:09:08
I'll also be a guinea pig!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:40:54
So as of now, these are spoken for and I have 2 remaining :
SpAmRaY
FrankyP
Halverson
 + sth
 + YoungMichael88
Snoopy
tinnie
shrapneL

i was in sir but im not on the list, margo also
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:46:06
So as of now, these are spoken for and I have 2 remaining :
SpAmRaY
FrankyP
Halverson
 + sth
 + YoungMichael88
Snoopy
tinnie
shrapneL

i was in sir but im not on the list, margo also

Yes, you're on The Other List that is not part of these remaining 10...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:49:40
The Other List ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 03 February 2014, 10:22:33
The Other List ;)

im a big fan of being on this other list

thanking you kindly
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: iAmAhab on Mon, 03 February 2014, 10:38:25
I'm down if there is still room and shipping to Norway is not to brutal.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: wiredPANDA on Mon, 03 February 2014, 11:05:57
Add me to the list, as well, if you still have stock.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 03 February 2014, 11:12:38
Ok, I all the prototypes are spoken for now... I just have to get the little component baggies put into groups and figure out some packaging.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 03 February 2014, 11:14:01
Has the footprint size of this thing been posted to give people an idea of size if we were wanting to make a case?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 03 February 2014, 11:17:19
Has the footprint size of this thing been posted to give people an idea of size if we were wanting to make a case?

(http://i.imgur.com/bEBiASZ.png)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 03 February 2014, 11:25:00
So as of now, all prototype kits are spoken for :

SpAmRaY
FrankyP
Halverson
 + sth
 + YoungMichael88
Snoopy
tinnie
shrapneL
iAmAhab
Grendel
-
wiredPanda is on the waiting list should someone above change their mind...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 03 February 2014, 11:25:32
Has the footprint size of this thing been posted to give people an idea of size if we were wanting to make a case?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bEBiASZ.png)


Thanks JD!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Mon, 03 February 2014, 12:03:51
Thanks regack, appreciate it !
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Mon, 03 February 2014, 12:06:39
So as of now, all prototype kits are spoken for :

SpAmRaY
FrankyP
Halverson
 + sth
 + YoungMichael88
Snoopy
tinnie
shrapneL
iAmAhab
Grendel
-
wiredPanda is on the waiting list should someone above change their mind...

I am assuming mine was already spoken for before that list was put together?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:01:07
So as of now, all prototype kits are spoken for :

SpAmRaY
FrankyP
Halverson
 + sth
 + YoungMichael88
Snoopy
tinnie
shrapneL
iAmAhab
Grendel
-
wiredPanda is on the waiting list should someone above change their mind...

I am assuming mine was already spoken for before that list was put together?

Maybe you are on The Other List. ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:02:15
So as of now, all prototype kits are spoken for :

SpAmRaY
FrankyP
Halverson
 + sth
 + YoungMichael88
Snoopy
tinnie
shrapneL
iAmAhab
Grendel
-
wiredPanda is on the waiting list should someone above change their mind...

I am assuming mine was already spoken for before that list was put together?

Maybe you are on The Other List. ;)

Thanks...  Yes, I just got confirmation that I am on the 'The Other List'.  :P
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:07:38
You guys and your The Other List, I've got a list to and you better hope your not on it  >:D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:10:32
You guys and your The Other List, I've got a list to and you better hope your not on it  >:D

It better not be the list of people who are helping you with your case, cause then I am screwed...  :P
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:15:31
You guys and your The Other List, I've got a list to and you better hope your not on it  >:D

It better not be the list of people who are helping you with your case, cause then I am screwed...  :P

Well it's a secret :eek:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:50:19
You guys and your The Other List, I've got a list to and you better hope your not on it  >:D

It better not be the list of people who are helping you with your case, cause then I am screwed...  :P

Well it's a secret :eek:


SpAmRaY is actually on his own special list separate from the other 3 lists (10 protos, The Other List, The Waiting List)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 03 February 2014, 15:09:42
SpAmRaY is actually on his own special list

QFT
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Mon, 03 February 2014, 18:08:13
Hopped on the Round 5 GB wagon for some caps. :) regack, would it be possible to get a schematic in pdf format ?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Mon, 03 February 2014, 19:09:18

Hopped on the Round 5 GB wagon for some caps. :) regack, would it be possible to get a schematic in pdf format ?


Let me know if this isn't what you were after...



Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 03 February 2014, 19:23:01

Has the footprint size of this thing been posted to give people an idea of size if we were wanting to make a case?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bEBiASZ.png)


Thanks JD!

Time to order me some Lego! 40% case go! :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Mon, 03 February 2014, 19:31:30
I'll probably make it from Lego also and order with you Halverson. Either that or I'll fashion a case out of cheese.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: neoezekiel on Mon, 03 February 2014, 19:33:37
Any thoughts on a group buy date or am I blind?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 03 February 2014, 19:43:49
Any thoughts on a group buy date or am I blind?

It's almost surely a long ways off. These have really only been in the hands of a very small number of people, and beta testing is just about to start in earnest. (See a few posts up.)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Mon, 03 February 2014, 21:47:19
Does anyone know what SmallFrys favorite MX switch is? I would like to put them in the prototype. It seems fitting. Something in my brain is telling me blues but I would like to be certain.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:23:17
Does anyone know what SmallFrys favorite MX switch is? I would like to put them in the prototype. It seems fitting. Something in my brain is telling me blues but I would like to be certain.

Blues with 65g springs.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:47:36

Does anyone know what SmallFrys favorite MX switch is? I would like to put them in the prototype. It seems fitting. Something in my brain is telling me blues but I would like to be certain.

Blues with 65g springs.
Thanks
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:55:30
regack, would it be possible to get a schematic in pdf format ?

Let me know if this isn't what you were after...

Perfect, TYVM.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Sun, 09 February 2014, 19:52:23
Hey, I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm having some weird behavior with the first board that I put together, so until I diagnose if it's my fault (in assembly) or something wrong with the PCB, I haven't sent anything out.  I don't want to send people a bunch of pretty, red paperweights. 
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: shrapneL on Sun, 09 February 2014, 20:15:17
Hey, I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm having some weird behavior with the first board that I put together, so until I diagnose if it's my fault (in assembly) or something wrong with the PCB, I haven't sent anything out.  I don't want to send people a bunch of pretty, red paperweights.

No worries regack, hopefully you'll figure it out soon :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Sun, 09 February 2014, 23:39:32
No problem! Take your time. Work out those kinks. We all appreciate your efforts.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: myr0 on Tue, 11 February 2014, 12:17:09
Id definitely buy this, looks awesome  :thumb:

EDIT: Any change of an ISO version? I need my daily Ň, ń and ÷'s
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: player3 on Tue, 11 February 2014, 18:04:48
Looks great, I think I may need one!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 11 February 2014, 18:07:10

Id definitely buy this, looks awesome  :thumb:

EDIT: Any change of an ISO version? I need my daily Ň, ń and ÷'s

The keyboard is fully programmable. You can set it up however you'd like. The layout is already so different that a lack of e.g. ISO mods should be the least of your worries ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: myr0 on Wed, 12 February 2014, 15:32:44

Id definitely buy this, looks awesome  :thumb:

EDIT: Any change of an ISO version? I need my daily Ň, ń and ÷'s

The keyboard is fully programmable. You can set it up however you'd like. The layout is already so different that a lack of e.g. ISO mods should be the least of your worries ;)

I still need one key after P and two after L to type comfortably or Id have to use FN to access those characters which isnt very convenient.

Id still buy it anyway.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 17 February 2014, 19:50:23
Looks like I'll just have to design my own 40% because this one aint colemak compatible :(
Seriously awesome stuff, though. I would totally buy it if I were still using qwerty.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 17 February 2014, 20:06:43
I've been using this JD40 for some time now and wanted to give a quick experience report.

Basically, I love it. While at work I use a 60% board and while at home I use this JD40. The layout is sufficiently different that I've been able to develop the muscle memory for both board, and can now switch interchangeably between the two with almost no loss of accuracy or speed. (I'm obviously slower on the JD40 than on the 60%, but I mean that I don't need to relearn the layout every time I use it.)

I'm a huge fan of how close everything is to the home row. Even complex chords don't feel like a hassle because there's very little stretching that's necessary. I might have a leg up because I've been a heavy emacs user for some time, so I'm used to finger contortions of various sorts, but I expect that anyone so inclined could pick up this layout in a few days.

This is also the first board I've had that's fully programmable, and I'm finding it hard to go back. The teensy + hasu's firmware makes it super easy to tweak the layout as I figure out what works and what doesn't, what I rely on and what I don't. I've basically given my QFR up as a pass-around-the-office keyboard, but I expect that if I ever wanted to use it again I'd have to get a Frosty Flake for it :p.

riotonthebay loves 40%
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 17 February 2014, 20:10:48
Stahp it--you're increasing my 40% lust. I almost want to relearn qwerty for this lol
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 17 February 2014, 20:19:25
Looks like I'll just have to design my own 40% because this one aint colemak compatible :(
Seriously awesome stuff, though. I would totally buy it if I were still using qwerty.

What precludes the use of Colemak key mapping? Does Colemak require another row, or more columns?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 17 February 2014, 20:24:11
Colemak and dvorak make frequent use of the ";" key -- it's "O" on colemak and "S" on dvorak.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 17 February 2014, 20:27:59
Colemak and dvorak make frequent use of the ";" key -- it's "O" on colemak and "S" on dvorak.

Could you get used to it in the comma position?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 17 February 2014, 20:31:44
I'm not sure...although maybe I could get used to it in the "P" position since that's where the semicolon usually is. It's a pretty frequently pressed key, though.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 17 February 2014, 20:34:10
It would still be more efficient than QWERTY ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 17 February 2014, 21:20:29
True, but I'm just too in love with the colemak homerow :))
I think I'll have to stick to my filco until I either design my own more colemak-friendly 40% board or just decide to compromise on 60%.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 19 February 2014, 04:37:05
This needs to be one key wider to be really useful. Enter is not the best choice for a home row key.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 19 February 2014, 10:31:08
^^ agreed
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 19 February 2014, 10:38:06
Maybe we can do that as a variant, as well? Interesting...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 19 February 2014, 10:41:34
That would be so exciting! I'd definitely be on board. I don't think I have any skills to be able to help, but if you showed me where I might be able to learn, I'd definitely want to help in developing it.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AKmalamute on Wed, 19 February 2014, 11:19:22
dvorak user -- yes, I'd want just a few extra keys for this physical layout. An extra column and I wouldn't feel quite so squashed.

 Of course, I haven't a physical keyboard to compare to, and maybe the "expectation" -- if there is one -- is to create a new, 40% layout that's not dvorak. But dvorak's punctuation is sorta in the middle of the keyboard ... top three keys a ', ,, ., so you're automatically shuffling something if there isn't room for them.

I've posted in this thread before, but I've had new inspiration since then. Maybe I'll look at it again, see if something totally new can be reasonably be created.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 19 February 2014, 11:24:07
Something like this maybe? (Don't mind the legends...keys are 100% programmable)

(http://i.imgur.com/cp5Wd1m.png)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 19 February 2014, 11:28:17
Something like this maybe? (Don't mind the legends...keys are 100% programmable)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cp5Wd1m.png)


Now that's what I'm talking about! That looks perfect :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 19 February 2014, 11:49:53
Something like this maybe? (Don't mind the legends...keys are 100% programmable)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cp5Wd1m.png)


That's awesome! Compact and yet complete :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 19 February 2014, 12:16:54
wtb 40%, will you be selling these?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 19 February 2014, 12:25:20
wtb 40%, will you be selling these?

I won't be running the group buy, but the goal of all my projects is to get them to people who want them. Prototyping and testing will come first, though, before any orders are taken.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AKmalamute on Wed, 19 February 2014, 12:31:19
Did we ever hear (did you ever hear...) from Regack if it was just him, or if round 1 was just a pretty paperweight?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 19 February 2014, 12:37:20
Did we ever hear (did you ever hear...) from Regack if it was just him, or if round 1 was just a pretty paperweight?

Last I heard regack confirmed it wasn't just his board that was being strange but that he was still working on it.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AGmurdercore on Wed, 19 February 2014, 12:45:32
Can't wait for this one i would like one soooo much  :'(
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 19 February 2014, 14:18:55
Something like this maybe? (Don't mind the legends...keys are 100% programmable)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cp5Wd1m.png)


Almost perfect, I'd have a 1u--1u--1u--7u--1u--1u--1u bottom row.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 19 February 2014, 14:19:52
Something like this maybe? (Don't mind the legends...keys are 100% programmable)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cp5Wd1m.png)


Almost perfect, I'd have a 1u--1u--1u--7u--1u--1u--1u bottom row.

This does open more possibilities for bottom row and right shift areas.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 19 February 2014, 14:24:14
Something like this maybe? (Don't mind the legends...keys are 100% programmable)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cp5Wd1m.png)


Almost perfect, I'd have a 1u--1u--1u--7u--1u--1u--1u bottom row.

This does open more possibilities for bottom row and right shift areas.

Could you explain how?  It's the same number of switches in the bottom row, just a bigger space.  Or does it allow the lower right section to align better for arrow keys or something like that?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 19 February 2014, 14:28:09
I'm thinking along the lines of the GH60 bottom row, etc., where there are holes and solder pads/traces for different switch configurations.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jacobolus on Fri, 21 February 2014, 21:20:45
If youíre going to make the keyboard so small, why not a split spacebar so each half can be used for a different purpose?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 25 February 2014, 07:58:21
If youíre going to make the keyboard so small, why not a split spacebar so each half can be used for a different purpose?

For better keycap compatibility, most likely.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 25 February 2014, 09:21:41
May I respectfully suggest offering more spacebar options my dear JD Carpe. I believe the space bar is one of the most useless parts of the keyboard. I myself only hit the spacebar ever in two places, both of which take place within a 1x1 space. If you could add more contacts, traces and mounting holes in the spacebar area, geekhackers can choose to use smaller spacebars and have more keys for doing more things.

I am a big fan of promoting smaller spacebars. I believe our thumbs do too much unskilled labor. The spacebar could probably be split into 6 keys. Based on the many photos I've seen (of spacebar wear), it is obvious that nearly everyone will hit his spacebar in roughly the same location, either CV or NM. If you are in the forefront of driving a custom keyboard revolution, please help us overcome the limitations of this old layout!

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 25 February 2014, 09:40:07
Yes, I initially proposed only using a 6.25-unit spacebar for easy keycap compatibility, and also because the electronics have to be located somewhere. But I will look at some possible other sizes, for those that don't like large spacebars.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 25 February 2014, 11:57:12
If I build a second phantom, I'm going to try for the 7bit layout/plate. Same reason -- something like 2.75x "space" bars, and a 1x in between them.

On a related but tangential note, the shine on my work keyboard's spacebar demonstrates that I only use my right thumb for spaces ... at least 95% of the time. A decade later, and the region under my left thumb still has texture. The right side is not only as smooth as glass, it's starting to get indented.

 The "standard" ergodox layout implies to me that some think they use the left thumb, only, for spaces. I am glad for firmware level reprogramming because ... phew! Wrong thumb.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: PJE on Tue, 25 February 2014, 17:30:34
Yes, I initially proposed only using a 6.25-unit spacebar for easy keycap compatibility, and also because the electronics have to be located somewhere. But I will look at some possible other sizes, for those that don't like large spacebars.
JD,

I love your design (and other 40% designs), but would only consider buying a design with a split space (and programmability). My preference is for a central 1x key with 2x space keys on each side. The remainder of the space can be used for additional keys (preferred) or making the other keys larger.

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: shrapneL on Sat, 08 March 2014, 22:22:36
How's my favorite 40% keyboard doing? Any news from regack lately?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Sun, 09 March 2014, 01:05:28
Debugging, hang on.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Lain1911 on Mon, 10 March 2014, 04:13:32
Way better conversational piece than a yardsale item!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Thechemist on Fri, 21 March 2014, 11:07:12
JDcarpe 40% ( Smallfry KB ) [ Designed by JDcarpe and Regack ]

Green pcb, through hole components, teensy 2.0 ( Rev. 1.0 )
JDcarpe 40% stainless steel case ( plate | bottom ) metal standoffs
Ergo-clear switches ( blue spring ), lubed with Krytox 205
2x3x4 blue diffused led for caps lock
Costar stabilizer on spacebar
TG3 BL82 PBT keycaps

Main Layer
(http://i.imgur.com/co6mcFN.jpg)

Function Layer
(http://i.imgur.com/WRcLeix.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/DrsPypr.jpg?1)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941581/)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941582/)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941583/)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941584/)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941585/)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941586/)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941587/)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941588/)
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941589/)

For scale ( CM QFR TKL )

(http://i.imgur.com/czEj68o.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/jv8cjda.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qfcaJQK.jpg)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mashby on Fri, 21 March 2014, 11:31:46
Wow. Just... wow.  :blank:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 24 March 2014, 15:54:54
I'm really excited to get mine!
So excited, in fact, that I've already come up with my own layout. I wanted to share it and encourage other 40% users to share their layouts. You can use this website (http://ne0.cc/laygenV2#q0LPX) (preloaded with a smallfry kb base)

Anyway, here's my layout:

Primary layer (note that I will have shift + comma as period):
(https://photos-5.dropbox.com/t/0/AABglJ9vdWPLVbhFT2h8PDO18qwYPeKe3UIRyxVUGAMZTw/12/659964/png/1024x768/3/1395698400/0/2/Screenshot%202014-03-24%2016.41.04.png/vV7-4Q6BjIo-7LV1zVi9ktHebETzBwozBlrIMUc2gho)

Fn Layer (the NP key will make numbers send numpad keycodes):
(https://photos-2.dropbox.com/t/0/AACNiw4t2owwgJrvuUjxzOoc7uROE-a--Mj6U6MA8LyEVA/12/659964/png/1024x768/3/1395698400/0/2/Screenshot%202014-03-24%2016.43.17.png/p6ugdEBVajG3xlOyjxuIaYG6867sIH5o1_K0-4RINz0)

Fn2 Layer:
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AACD3t5_yTN-2FiJV_Dgd_x3BNrFUAqc9SwaPP3jvpaZdA/12/659964/png/1024x768/3/1395698400/0/2/Screenshot%202014-03-24%2016.50.32.png/i_SHjZaTo7V2rIg3THXnkbrmT_sGqXsnQVZ3sGlWifw)

I'm open to suggestions for improvement, as well. This is simply a first draft. I'd love to see others' layouts as well.
Also, big thanks to ne0phyte for the layout designer, and of course to JD for designing the keyboard and the original layout!
Also, of course, keep in mind that this is designed for someone who uses OS X primarily. Windows/Linux users will definitely need some modifications for navkeys etc.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Lain1911 on Mon, 24 March 2014, 17:22:57
Quote

Show Image
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941582/)


For me this is more like "I love looking at this" knowing I will probably never use one.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 24 March 2014, 17:29:30
Quote

Show Image
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1941582/)


For me this is more like "I love looking at this" knowing I will probably never use one.

Why not?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Lain1911 on Mon, 24 March 2014, 18:18:10
Not that I wouldn't want to. Maybe I was too quick to judge I'd either have to build one or it would be difficult to find or try out.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 24 March 2014, 18:28:13
Personally I love the idea of my hands not moving at all. I don't mind a bit of chording, and I designed my layout above so that it's especially easy to chord numbers and many symbols (right hand holds modifier while left hand presses key). I can't wait to try it! I'll definitely post here how I like itóif it's too small, or if I can easily get used to all the chording.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jsto69 on Fri, 28 March 2014, 14:01:38
Sup fellas.

I did a bit of searching through the thread and couldnt find the information, but please correct me if im wrong. In the original post, that build appears to have different keycaps than this one. I know JD Carpe has said what the caps on this one is,

(http://i.imgur.com/4DzkLg2.jpg)


But what brand/set of caps are on the red and black one?

(http://i.imgur.com/LpFOHhQ.jpg)

I fell in love with these caps and wanted to know what they were. I have a KBT pure ltd and looking for a pbt set for it for a while now and was going to see if i could piece together a set of those caps.

thanks to anyone who can shed some light for me.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mashby on Fri, 28 March 2014, 14:10:40
But what brand/set of caps are on the red and black one?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/LpFOHhQ.jpg)


I fell in love with these caps and wanted to know what they were. I have a KBT pure ltd and looking for a pbt set for it for a while now and was going to see if i could piece together a set of those caps.

thanks to anyone who can shed some light for me.

Those are from the Reto set (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.0) that Matt3o created. They came out last year and were quite popular.

You might find a set in the classifieds, or if we're lucky, SP or Matt3o will do a round 2!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jsto69 on Fri, 28 March 2014, 15:27:24

Quote
Those are from the Reto set (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.0) that Matt3o created. They came out last year and were quite popular.

You might find a set in the classifieds, or if we're lucky, SP or Matt3o will do a round 2!

Damn! Thanks for the info m8, it seems everytime I find a set I like its always in some group buy from like 5 months ago -_-

I really need to start coming hear more often. Off to the classifieds I go!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jsto69 on Fri, 28 March 2014, 15:28:27

Quote
Those are from the Reto set (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.0) that Matt3o created. They came out last year and were quite popular.

You might find a set in the classifieds, or if we're lucky, SP or Matt3o will do a round 2!

Damn! Thanks for the info m8, it seems everytime I find a set I like its always in some group buy from like 5 months ago -_-

I really need to start coming hear more often. Off to the classifieds I go!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 05 April 2014, 17:18:41
How many versions of this are there?  I'm having trouble figuring out how to support it.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 05 April 2014, 17:33:42
How many versions of this are there?  I'm having trouble figuring out how to support it.

There was an earlier version which used a Teensy and through hole diodes. I have sold a few of them, so they are around. I call it the JD40.

This newer version with SMD components is the SmallFry keyboard. It has had a prototype pcb made, but regack, The_Chemist, and Grendel are still trying to troubleshoot it, as far as I can tell. There was some issue that they haven't nailed down yet.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Vibex on Sat, 05 April 2014, 17:37:10
How many versions of this are there?  I'm having trouble figuring out how to support it.

There was an earlier version which used a Teensy and through hole diodes. I have sold a few of them, so they are around. I call it the JD40.

This newer version with SMD components is the SmallFry keyboard. It has had a prototype pcb made, but regack, The_Chemist, and Grendel are still trying to troubleshoot it, as far as I can tell. There was some issue that they haven't nailed down yet.
Is the one your making for me the Teensy version or the pcb? I don't really care, but I would like it to be programmable with metalliqaz software.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 05 April 2014, 17:43:10
Thanks JD!  Now I understand.
I have pinouts from Regack but those are probably for the other version.  I will hunt down the Teensy version specs.  It's just a matter of figuring out the IO.  Then the rest "just works"
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Sun, 06 April 2014, 00:50:56
We did find workarounds for the SmallFry rev 0.10.5 problems, but most likely there will be another board turn. It's up to regack to decide if this batch of boards should be released into the wild. It's a bit of a though call, since a turn will reassign some I/O lines so firmware for 0.10.5 will not work w/ a newer version w/o modifications. OTOH the money paid for the 0.10.5 boards is lost if they stay in the closet...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 02:21:21
If I understand there was a bad track right?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Sun, 06 April 2014, 13:03:53
Yes, there is one trace missing (fairly easy to fix w/ a short wire) and the oscillator is a real PITA to solder on (needs slightly bigger pads.) The main problem was that the JTAG interface is enabled by default in the 32u4 chips, taking over the higher port F lines that are connected to parts of the key matrix (proposed fix is to move the I/O lines to not use those). TMK seems to reset the JTD bit in the MCUCR only for specific configurations (hbkb, hid_liber, and Phantom), so I wasted some time to "reinvent the wheel" :/
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 06 April 2014, 15:01:43
You can disable the JTAG port.  That's what I do in my firmware.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 09 April 2014, 09:59:57
I am serious, where can I get one of this? or there's a guide to make it myself?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 09 April 2014, 10:09:48
I am serious, where can I get one of this? or there's a guide to make it myself?

Still being designed and prototyped. Read about two posts before yours.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Fri, 18 April 2014, 09:57:10
What's the status on this? All I want is the PCB and a quick tutorial run down.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Fri, 18 April 2014, 11:10:39
regack is still working out the kinks for the 'public'-release pcb.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Vibex on Fri, 18 April 2014, 11:25:23
regack is still working out the kinks for the 'public'-release pcb.
What are the problems with the current version?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: regack on Tue, 22 April 2014, 00:27:09
こんにちは! I am in Japan at the moment, trying type on this crazy keyboard layout ^-^ I should be able to get back to this thing in a couple of weeks.

 
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 22 April 2014, 00:29:31
What would be the estimate cost for the PCB with all the components once the PCB is fully designed?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 22 April 2014, 02:21:21
こんにちは! I am in Japan at the moment, trying type on this crazy keyboard layout ^-^ I should be able to get back to this thing in a couple of weeks.

 

Hope you have a good time ;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: smnanthny on Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:48:21
Greetings!

Is there a chance that you'll be releasing the design files for the plate?

I'm looking to build my own 40% keyboard as a summer project and plan on hand-wiring rather than a PCB but I'm lacking the ability to design a plate to mount the switches. If you were to release it or point me in the direction of somewhere I can find a design similar to your layout that would be awesome.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 24 April 2014, 16:24:34
Greetings!

Is there a chance that you'll be releasing the design files for the plate?

I'm looking to build my own 40% keyboard as a summer project and plan on hand-wiring rather than a PCB but I'm lacking the ability to design a plate to mount the switches. If you were to release it or point me in the direction of somewhere I can find a design similar to your layout that would be awesome.

Sent you a PM.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 28 April 2014, 13:24:42
Effectively finished and ready to maybe sell -

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2921/14053573964_d0ae80a8e3_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/npSeVo)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 April 2014, 13:26:01
Effectively finished and ready to maybe sell -

Looking good. :thumb:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Sun, 04 May 2014, 06:03:20
planning stages:
(http://i.imgur.com/451cbjE.png)

i want to put FN on lower right and then have up/down on right menu and alt with left/right corresponding with the arrow keys on the board.
most other mods aren't as labeled, need to come up with an ideal setup there once i actually get the board.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Vibex on Sun, 04 May 2014, 06:27:50
planning stages:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/451cbjE.png)


i want to put FN on lower right and then have up/down on right menu and alt with left/right corresponding with the arrow keys on the board.
most other mods aren't as labeled, need to come up with an ideal setup there once i actually get the board.
Here is the layout I'm going with. Obviously most people won't want their letters in the same spots as mine, but other then that, I think this is a pretty good layout.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Sun, 04 May 2014, 06:29:34
ahh that's awesome vibex. i think i'll be using your fn layers as a base :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Vibex on Sun, 04 May 2014, 06:36:48
ahh that's awesome vibex. i think i'll be using your fn layers as a base :)
Go for it. :thumb: Let me know what your final design is, I always enjoy seeing how other people use weird keyboards like this. ;D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: dustinhxc on Mon, 05 May 2014, 01:50:07
Effectively finished and ready to maybe sell -

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2921/14053573964_d0ae80a8e3_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/npSeVo)

This is beautiful, love the orange!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: technomancy on Mon, 05 May 2014, 23:58:36
Here is the layout I'm going with. Obviously most people won't want their letters in the same spots as mine, but other then that, I think this is a pretty good layout.

Very cool. I went with the numpad-style arrangement on my 40%, and I'm very glad I did. I see that you still have some space on your second layer. One thing I'd recommend would be adding more shifted punctuation there so you can invoke things like (), {}, etc with only a single modifier. Needing both fn+shift to hit things like that is very awkward, and if you've got extra space you might as well use it.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Tue, 06 May 2014, 01:40:31
Why is it so thick? Are you leaving space between the pcb and the case, so no short circuits?  Is it so that the controller has room?  Why so many layers of metal?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Tue, 06 May 2014, 01:46:41
Why is it so thick? Are you leaving space between the pcb and the case, so no short circuits?  Is it so that the controller has room?  Why so many layers of metal?

keep in mind the scale does make it appear a bit thicker. like a mini cooper except not dorky. i mean exactly like a mini cooper.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Tue, 06 May 2014, 01:50:48
Why is it so thick? Are you leaving space between the pcb and the case, so no short circuits?  Is it so that the controller has room?  Why so many layers of metal?

keep in mind the scale does make it appear a bit thicker. like a mini cooper except not dorky. i mean exactly like a mini cooper.

That's a good point.  Also I think the word is geeky.   :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: sth on Tue, 06 May 2014, 02:04:36
Why is it so thick? Are you leaving space between the pcb and the case, so no short circuits?  Is it so that the controller has room?  Why so many layers of metal?

keep in mind the scale does make it appear a bit thicker. like a mini cooper except not dorky. i mean exactly like a mini cooper.

That's a good point.  Also I think the word is geeky.   :D

hefty lil fellas
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Vibex on Tue, 06 May 2014, 06:10:36
Here is the layout I'm going with. Obviously most people won't want their letters in the same spots as mine, but other then that, I think this is a pretty good layout.

Very cool. I went with the numpad-style arrangement on my 40%, and I'm very glad I did. I see that you still have some space on your second layer. One thing I'd recommend would be adding more shifted punctuation there so you can invoke things like (), {}, etc with only a single modifier. Needing both fn+shift to hit things like that is very awkward, and if you've got extra space you might as well use it.
I wasn't sure if Icould add shifted characters directly to the layout. Good to know, I'll update it. ;D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: technomancy on Tue, 06 May 2014, 11:07:32
I wasn't sure if Icould add shifted characters directly to the layout. Good to know, I'll update it. ;D

Oh, this is totally going to depend on the firmware you use. I'm using firmware I wrote myself, but I know that TMK supports it, albeit a bit awkwardly.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tbc on Tue, 06 May 2014, 22:33:14
can we get a sideshot please?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: boxfulofsanity on Wed, 07 May 2014, 17:31:41
I am so interested in this little guy! Hope to build one soon :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 18 May 2014, 16:30:41
God I want this little guy!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: esko997 on Sun, 18 May 2014, 17:52:48
For anyone interested, here is the layout I have been using with my JD40 -- thanks for the great board jdcarpe.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: futaris on Mon, 26 May 2014, 04:16:27
Nice. The layout is very reminiscent of my Stowaway Ultra-Slim Bluetooth Keyboard (http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE):

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DNR6Mdz0oR8/U4MCDwLPAZI/AAAAAAAAefw/wC295p6r-ak/w729-h547-no/20140526_185402.jpg)

Though I agree with the other (of DVORAK/COLEMAK), it needs at least one more column. But, I'd prefer two...

And, please split the spacebar, or give the option(s)...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: macmakkara on Tue, 03 June 2014, 04:36:08
Greetings!

Is there a chance that you'll be releasing the design files for the plate?

I'm looking to build my own 40% keyboard as a summer project and plan on hand-wiring rather than a PCB but I'm lacking the ability to design a plate to mount the switches. If you were to release it or point me in the direction of somewhere I can find a design similar to your layout that would be awesome.

Hello there.
Also having sama question as quote.
Probably doing one handwired and another when pcb is released. 
And any news about pcb?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: huynx on Sun, 13 July 2014, 21:24:02
I love this design, can you send me pcb design file?
thanks  :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: huynx on Mon, 14 July 2014, 06:27:19
never mind, I found Regack's pcb, thanks to Regack
also thanks to jdcarpe
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Mon, 14 July 2014, 08:28:21
never mind, I found Regack's pcb, thanks to Regack
also thanks to jdcarpe

Careful. Last I knew regack had some issues with his last version of his pcb. Not sure the status of that right now.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 14 July 2014, 08:33:50
never mind, I found Regack's pcb, thanks to Regack
also thanks to jdcarpe

Careful. Last I knew regack had some issues with his last version of his pcb. Not sure the status of that right now.

Right, I was just going to warn him about that. Thanks, swill. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 14 July 2014, 21:40:33
Vibex: do you have a pic of your current layout installed on the smallfry KB yet? How are you liking that sorbothane gasket?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 14 July 2014, 21:57:20
Vibex: do you have a pic of your current layout installed on the smallfry KB yet? How are you liking that sorbothane gasket?

Vibex can obviously expand on this answer, but I can provide a shot of the layout right now.  :)

(http://i.imgur.com/ZGGgNpj.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: byker on Mon, 14 July 2014, 22:08:09
Vibex: do you have a pic of your current layout installed on the smallfry KB yet? How are you liking that sorbothane gasket?

Vibex can obviously expand on this answer, but I can provide a shot of the layout right now.  :)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZGGgNpj.jpg)


;)

That one looks so nice!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 14 July 2014, 22:43:48
Vibex: do you have a pic of your current layout installed on the smallfry KB yet? How are you liking that sorbothane gasket?

Vibex can obviously expand on this answer, but I can provide a shot of the layout right now.  :)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZGGgNpj.jpg)


;)

Ah yes, the J-WUP layout :D

edit: AKA the FH-Q
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 14 July 2014, 22:46:19
Vibex: do you have a pic of your current layout installed on the smallfry KB yet? How are you liking that sorbothane gasket?

Vibex can obviously expand on this answer, but I can provide a shot of the layout right now.  :)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZGGgNpj.jpg)


;)

Ah yes, the J-WUP layout :D

edit: AKA the FH-Q

I prefer to call it the AISTL layout.  Pronounced Aye-stull.

Or the Vibex layout.    :p
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: AKmalamute on Mon, 14 July 2014, 22:51:21
Ah yes, the J-WUP layout :D

Either you are the JuffoWUP, or you are the non.

you, are the non. There is only juffowup
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 14 July 2014, 23:21:55
I saw nuclearsandwich's wooden version of your 40% at KeyCon, and I have to say I thought your use of linears for mods was brilliant!

I am going to build a couple of 60-75% keyboards with that feature now.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Here is the layout I'm going with. Obviously most people won't want their letters in the same spots as mine, but other then that, I think this is a pretty good layout.

Very cool. I went with the numpad-style arrangement on my 40%, and I'm very glad I did. I see that you still have some space on your second layer. One thing I'd recommend would be adding more shifted punctuation there so you can invoke things like (), {}, etc with only a single modifier. Needing both fn+shift to hit things like that is very awkward, and if you've got extra space you might as well use it.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 14 July 2014, 23:32:44
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZGGgNpj.jpg)


Ah yes, the J-WUP layout :D

edit: AKA the FH-Q
Iíd call it the JAZ-WIX layout.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: huynx on Wed, 16 July 2014, 11:51:44

Careful. Last I knew regack had some issues with his last version of his pcb. Not sure the status of that right now.

Thanks you, is position of some switch not correct?
And I think usb line not good, it must be parallel for working properly
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Wed, 16 July 2014, 11:53:59

Careful. Last I knew regack had some issues with his last version of his pcb. Not sure the status of that right now.

Thanks you, is position of some switch not correct?
And I think usb line not good, it must be parallel for working properly

He just mentioned to me that he was having some issues so he was not going to go into full production mode till he worked out the problems.  I have not followed up with him about it, so I am not sure what the current status is.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Vitaly on Thu, 17 July 2014, 17:36:54
Maybe use smaller spacebar and add ~two additional keys
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 17 July 2014, 20:27:20
Maybe use smaller spacebar and add ~two additional keys

Kinda locked in with this design at this point. Until the SMD version is done.

The point of the 6.25 spacebar, in case you were wondering, is availability. It's hard to find 3.0 or 4.0 unit spacebars.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jacobolus on Thu, 17 July 2014, 20:48:59
For what itís worth, in practice DSA keys work pretty well for spacebars. (Still not ideal, but two 3 unit DSA keys definitely beats one standardĖlength spacebar.)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tyvar1 on Mon, 21 July 2014, 16:54:24
Vibex: do you have a pic of your current layout installed on the smallfry KB yet? How are you liking that sorbothane gasket?

Vibex can obviously expand on this answer, but I can provide a shot of the layout right now.  :)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZGGgNpj.jpg)


;)
Dam, that is a nice keyboard! :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: ullr on Mon, 28 July 2014, 17:28:44
I am interested!

Could I get one with this layout, or will I have to be flexible with key positions? http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/d260ad8b46cea34a8ce897f1a9b2f758 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/d260ad8b46cea34a8ce897f1a9b2f758)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 28 July 2014, 18:21:35
I am interested!

Could I get one with this layout, or will I have to be flexible with key positions? http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/d260ad8b46cea34a8ce897f1a9b2f758 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/d260ad8b46cea34a8ce897f1a9b2f758)
What does the dark green key do?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: ullr on Mon, 28 July 2014, 19:22:10
I am interested!

Could I get one with this layout, or will I have to be flexible with key positions? http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/d260ad8b46cea34a8ce897f1a9b2f758 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/d260ad8b46cea34a8ce897f1a9b2f758)
What does the dark green key do?

Shift + Blue key
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: ullr on Thu, 31 July 2014, 20:41:18
So if I wanted one with that software layout, would that be possible?  Would I have to build my own, or is this http://www.geekhackers.org/products/jd40-jdcarpe-s-40-keyboard-kit-sorbothane-titanium-all-profits-go-to-the-nathan-j-walters-foundation-rip-smallfry programmable enough for that?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 July 2014, 20:56:39
So if I wanted one with that software layout, would that be possible?  Would I have to build my own, or is this http://www.geekhackers.org/products/jd40-jdcarpe-s-40-keyboard-kit-sorbothane-titanium-all-profits-go-to-the-nathan-j-walters-foundation-rip-smallfry programmable enough for that?
Well, your question is actually two sided. First, the physical layout of the JD40 is fixed, so for instance, you can't swap the 1.25 and 1 unit keys' positions. There aren't holes in the PCB for those options.

Second, it's not possible to assign arbitrary shifted scan codes. For example, when you press Shift+4, it will always output the scancodes for shift and 4 to the operating system, which gets interpreted as a $ (assuming US English). This is a limitation of the HID driver. The firmware gets programmed to output a certain keypress scancode, and the driver interprets it. Unless you want to attempt to rewrite the HID driver, I don't think it's possible. You're not the first to want to do that, but unfortunately the firmware can only send keypresses.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: cbot on Thu, 31 July 2014, 22:22:31
Today I learned 40% might be just a little too small for me.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: ullr on Wed, 06 August 2014, 21:53:32
Today I learned 40% might be just a little too small for me.

Thanks, that clears that up. I think I've gotten a little inkling of that when working with keyboard resources. Are there any resources for programming the HID driver, if it is possible?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:55:08
Does anyone have a layout for the JD40 they would be willing to share?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:58:35
Does anyone have a layout for the JD40 they would be willing to share?

You mean other than the ones shown in the OP?

Or are you looking for a .hex file to flash to the Teensy?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:03:07
Does anyone have a layout for the JD40 they would be willing to share?

You mean other than the ones shown in the OP?

Or are you looking for a .hex file to flash to the Teensy?

My bad for not being specific. I meant the .hex file.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:08:58
I'm somewhat out-of-pocket today, but I'll post the default .hex file up later as an attachment, so that people can program their new builds.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:10:01
I'm somewhat out-of-pocket today, but I'll post the default .hex file up later as an attachment, so that people can program their new builds.

Awesome! Thanks, I'll pass word since another user was talking to me about looking for a .hex file.

Edit: /u/Arcoril brought up this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0) program for keymapping that might interest people.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:12:15
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0

metalliqaz easy keymapper works to right? That's what I had planned on using eventually :P
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Tue, 19 August 2014, 13:00:27
jd, is there a schematic of the board somewhere ? Would like to adapt my own little firmware :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Tue, 19 August 2014, 19:40:42
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0

metalliqaz easy keymapper works to right? That's what I had planned on using eventually :P

I used the wrong Diodes in my personal build, but from the switches I could test Easy AVR worked just fine, and was very easy to setup.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 20 August 2014, 01:31:10
jd, is there a schematic of the board somewhere ? Would like to adapt my own little firmware :)

Sure, here it is...

(http://i.imgur.com/vqenVDX.png)


And yes, the latest beta version of Easy AVR Keymapper by metalliqaz should work with it just fine.

Attached is the "stock" firmware (TMK).
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Wed, 20 August 2014, 02:38:25
Thanks !  :cool:

Edit: Looks pretty close to the r0.10.5 board, I'm good to go. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Wed, 20 August 2014, 15:48:34
Hopefully last question. How is this supposed to be wired? I believe it's for the caps lock.
(http://i.imgur.com/ATosatd.jpg)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 20 August 2014, 16:13:31
Hopefully last question. How is this supposed to be wired? I believe it's for the caps lock.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ATosatd.jpg)


Jumper or bridge each of the LED pads to the adjacent pad that has a trace running to it. I use small pieces of the diode legs to make the jumpers.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Wed, 20 August 2014, 16:46:21
Hopefully last question. How is this supposed to be wired? I believe it's for the caps lock.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ATosatd.jpg)


Jumper or bridge each of the LED pads to the adjacent pad that has a trace running to it. I use small pieces of the diode legs to make the jumpers.
Ah I kinda figured that's what they were for,wanted to check before committing though. Thanks.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: youdub on Thu, 28 August 2014, 08:30:06
Hey guys just got the plates and pcb for this keyboard and I'm starting to put it together.  I just have one small question.  In a previous post JD linked to the 1N4148-T diodes for the board.  I have a bunch 1N4148 diodes laying around.  Are those the same diodes?  Does the T just indicate packaging like some other parts or do I need the to order the T's to make this keyboard work?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 28 August 2014, 08:33:44
Hey guys just got the plates and pcb for this keyboard and I'm starting to put it together.  I just have one small question.  In a previous post JD linked to the 1N4148-T diodes for the board.  I have a bunch 1N4148 diodes laying around.  Are those the same diodes?  Does the T just indicate packaging like some other parts or do I need the to order the T's to make this keyboard work?

In this case, T just means through hole, not SMD. As long as they are through hole 1N4148 diodes, they should work just fine. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: youdub on Thu, 28 August 2014, 11:55:17
Awesome man thanks alot.  Just didn't want to have to remove and resolder 40 diodes if I didn't have too lol.  :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tyvar1 on Sat, 30 August 2014, 04:30:57
Is there any special caps sizes on those 40% keyboards?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Vibex on Sat, 30 August 2014, 06:35:56
Is there any special caps sizes on those 40% keyboards?
Depends what you mean by special. All the keys are standard sizes, but not standard legends.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tbc on Mon, 08 September 2014, 01:38:00
any chance a newer revision will have support for an offset 'enter' key?

the switch should be positioned to support an offset capslick with the step on the left side (the mirror of a capslock on the right side)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 08 September 2014, 01:54:33
any chance a newer revision will have support for an offset 'enter' key?

the switch should be positioned to support an offset capslick with the step on the left side (the mirror of a capslock on the right side)
SP doesnít make a keycap like that except in SA family. I take it youíre planning to use SA caps on your keyboard? Or does some other keycap vendor also make caps with a step on the left or a step in a symmetrical key?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tbc on Mon, 08 September 2014, 01:57:04
dsa has offcenter stepped capslock.

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 08 September 2014, 01:59:17
Not according to this http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/DSAFamily.pdf (but perhaps itís wrong or out of date).

From googling it looks like otd.kr paid for the molds for a DSA stepped capslock, and so needs to grant permission for SP to use that mold for anyone else?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tbc on Mon, 08 September 2014, 02:06:43
[attach=1][attach=2]granite windowed keys

Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 08 September 2014, 02:21:24
Does it always have a window? If so, thatís going to be a little silly looking flipped and put in on the right.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Igthorn on Mon, 08 September 2014, 02:24:52
SP can also do normal ones.  The Skull Squadron set has one. (http://keypuller.com/skull-squadron/)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tyvar1 on Tue, 09 September 2014, 12:35:22
i'm just curious, what is the real name of this keyboard?
JD40?
The SmallFry?
JD40 The SmallFry?
The SmallFry JD40?

haha  :thumb:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 September 2014, 15:51:49
i'm just curious, what is the real name of this keyboard?
JD40?
The SmallFry?
JD40 The SmallFry?
The SmallFry JD40?

haha  :thumb:

This project is/was called the SmallFry Keyboard project, named after my friend who passed away last year. Ultimately, the goal was to have a PCB with SMD components, and holes for PCB mounting both switches and stabilizers. That project had a prototype PCB made by Regack, but there were issues with the prototype, and the project seems to have stalled.

An earlier 40% PCB was designed, also by Regack, to my specifications using a Teensy for the controller, and using all through-hole components. That is the keyboard I dubbed the JD40, which is now being sold at the [CTRL]ALT store, and via mkawa's group buy.

mkawa called his group buy the SmallFry Keyboard Kit, and it includes a JD40 PCB, titanium plates, and a sorbothane spacer. He named it so, because all profits above his actual costs are being donated the the Nathan Walter Foundation, a charity which helps prospective Eagle Scouts fund their projects.

Hope this clears a few things up. :)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: justify on Tue, 09 September 2014, 15:58:22
40% board? 100% more typing happiness
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tyvar1 on Tue, 09 September 2014, 16:04:55
i'm just curious, what is the real name of this keyboard?
JD40?
The SmallFry?
JD40 The SmallFry?
The SmallFry JD40?

haha  :thumb:

This project is/was called the SmallFry Keyboard project, named after my friend who passed away last year. Ultimately, the goal was to have a PCB with SMD components, and holes for PCB mounting both switches and stabilizers. That project had a prototype PCB made by Regack, but there were issues with the prototype, and the project seems to have stalled.

An earlier 40% PCB was designed, also by Regack, to my specifications using a Teensy for the controller, and using all through-hole components. That is the keyboard I dubbed the JD40, which is now being sold at the [CTRL]ALT store, and via mkawa's group buy.

mkawa called his group buy the SmallFry Keyboard Kit, and it includes a JD40 PCB, titanium plates, and a sorbothane spacer. He named it so, because all profits above his actual costs are being donated the the Nathan Walter Foundation, a charity which helps prospective Eagle Scouts fund their projects.

Hope this clears a few things up. :)
I'm sorry for your loss  :(
Thank you for the great answer!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 10 September 2014, 04:41:03
The fix for the SmallFry KB was pretty small and was handled by Grendel IIRC, maybe give regack a ping, if you want to get the project back on track. I have a SFKB PCB sitting back home (In India) that I need to solder when I get back.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 11 September 2014, 10:02:44
any chance a newer revision will have support for an offset 'enter' key?

the switch should be positioned to support an offset capslick with the step on the left side (the mirror of a capslock on the right side)
SP doesnít make a keycap like that except in SA family. I take it youíre planning to use SA caps on your keyboard? Or does some other keycap vendor also make caps with a step on the left or a step in a symmetrical key?

Newer version?  Is there interest in an updated JD40?  It is possible I did a design for an updated PCB as an exercise, and then didn't take it anywhere.

I added backlighting and drew up an alternative bottom row, including a split spacebar.  I also added PCB mounts for the stabs, and provided the ability to swap the 1.00x and 1.25x keycaps on the second row (RH edge.)  I did have to drop the fancy USB re-locator circuit and move the Teensy, but I rotated the Teensy so that a cable could be routed to exit where it does on the current JD40 PCB.  I made it backwards-compatible with the JD40 so existing plates and firmware could be retained.

Anyhow, I could easily finish this, including enabling both capslock positions.  I had just done this as an exercise, so I never posted it or anything.  (Also, this is a complete surprise to JD and Regack, who have more rights to the design that I have.)

Is anyone interested?  JD, what are your thoughts?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  SmallFry was a friend to many here.  My avatar wears an armband in his honor.



Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 11 September 2014, 10:09:07
Oh, I also drafted a slim wedge case; also backwards-compatible.

It isn't shown in this sketch, but the top surface will have switch and stab cut-outs to act as a plate.  It looks like a $30 laser-cutting job for QTY=2.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: margo baggins on Thu, 11 September 2014, 10:27:48
Not according to this http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/DSAFamily.pdf (but perhaps itís wrong or out of date).

From googling it looks like otd.kr paid for the molds for a DSA stepped capslock, and so needs to grant permission for SP to use that mold for anyone else?

This is true - we used it in HyperFuse and I had to get permission from OTD to use it.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Grendel on Thu, 11 September 2014, 13:33:21
Newer version?  Is there interest in an updated JD40?

See http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47133.msg1215017#msg1215017 . The board had some minor problems (missing trace, one or two diodes printed the wrong way round, small pads on the oscillator) and some possible changes (hook up all LED's to PWM capable pins, move some lines off the F port.) Not sure what the current status is :/
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 11 September 2014, 16:26:29
any chance a newer revision will have support for an offset 'enter' key?

the switch should be positioned to support an offset capslick with the step on the left side (the mirror of a capslock on the right side)
SP doesnít make a keycap like that except in SA family. I take it youíre planning to use SA caps on your keyboard? Or does some other keycap vendor also make caps with a step on the left or a step in a symmetrical key?

Newer version?  Is there interest in an updated JD40?  It is possible I did a design for an updated PCB as an exercise, and then didn't take it anywhere.

I added backlighting and drew up an alternative bottom row, including a split spacebar.  I also added PCB mounts for the stabs, and provided the ability to swap the 1.00x and 1.25x keycaps on the second row (RH edge.)  I did have to drop the fancy USB re-locator circuit and move the Teensy, but I rotated the Teensy so that a cable could be routed to exit where it does on the current JD40 PCB.  I made it backwards-compatible with the JD40 so existing plates and firmware could be retained.

Anyhow, I could easily finish this, including enabling both capslock positions.  I had just done this as an exercise, so I never posted it or anything.  (Also, this is a complete surprise to JD and Regack, who have more rights to the design that I have.)

Is anyone interested?  JD, what are your thoughts?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  SmallFry was a friend to many here.  My avatar wears an armband in his honor.





I saw something like this on the twitter.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Sent on Thu, 11 September 2014, 16:41:02
Oh, I also drafted a slim wedge case; also backwards-compatible.

It isn't shown in this sketch, but the top surface will have switch and stab cut-outs to act as a plate.  It looks like a $30 laser-cutting job for QTY=2.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I'd be interested in any cases for this.  Something like a LZ/Duck/KMAC case would be  :eek:
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 12 September 2014, 10:08:44
any chance a newer revision will have support for an offset 'enter' key?

the switch should be positioned to support an offset capslick with the step on the left side (the mirror of a capslock on the right side)
SP doesnít make a keycap like that except in SA family. I take it youíre planning to use SA caps on your keyboard? Or does some other keycap vendor also make caps with a step on the left or a step in a symmetrical key?

Newer version?  Is there interest in an updated JD40?  It is possible I did a design for an updated PCB as an exercise, and then didn't take it anywhere.

I added backlighting and drew up an alternative bottom row, including a split spacebar.  I also added PCB mounts for the stabs, and provided the ability to swap the 1.00x and 1.25x keycaps on the second row (RH edge.)  I did have to drop the fancy USB re-locator circuit and move the Teensy, but I rotated the Teensy so that a cable could be routed to exit where it does on the current JD40 PCB.  I made it backwards-compatible with the JD40 so existing plates and firmware could be retained.

Anyhow, I could easily finish this, including enabling both capslock positions.  I had just done this as an exercise, so I never posted it or anything.  (Also, this is a complete surprise to JD and Regack, who have more rights to the design that I have.)

Is anyone interested?  JD, what are your thoughts?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  SmallFry was a friend to many here.  My avatar wears an armband in his honor.





I don't mind at all if you want to publish this. I'm all for improvements!

But, for me personally, I would love if you could focus a bit of that PCB-making genius of yours toward the next project, the JD45 (or GH45, if you prefer). It's a bit more useful, in my opinion, although some may not like the small split spacebars.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Sun, 14 September 2014, 13:52:15
JD40 Giveaway...  Come join the fun...

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62783.msg1469957#msg1469957
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: Skuloth on Thu, 18 September 2014, 13:42:57
Does anyone know whether or not it's possible to program macros for lack of a better word into these guys? I'm primarily trying to program some of the common 3+ key combos into my function layer.

ctrl + alt + del
ctrl + shift + esc
alt + f4
ctrl + shift + arrows

I would hope its as easy as having the firmware send multiple keycodes, but I'm not entirely certain whether or not this is possible with the given firmware tools out there.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Tue, 23 September 2014, 07:53:17
Does anyone know whether or not it's possible to program macros for lack of a better word into these guys? I'm primarily trying to program some of the common 3+ key combos into my function layer.

ctrl + alt + del
ctrl + shift + esc
alt + f4
ctrl + shift + arrows

I would hope its as easy as having the firmware send multiple keycodes, but I'm not entirely certain whether or not this is possible with the given firmware tools out there.

I was directed to Easy AVR that made setting up function layers and macros extremely easy. http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0

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Has anyone else gotten so used to their JD40 they can't use normal keyboards anymore? Every time I have to use my normal one to type I mess up 70% of what I'm trying to type because I'm so used to using function layers.  ;D

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Also, I can't seem to get the LEDs to work. I used a 300 Ohm resistor on the bridge labeled [300], but that didn't seem to get it to work. Am I using the wrong resistors? These are the exact resistors I am using http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009XOP5WM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 23 September 2014, 08:09:03
Also, I can't seem to get the LEDs to work. I used a 300 Ohm resistor on the bridge labeled [300], but that didn't seem to get it to work. Am I using the wrong resistors? These are the exact resistors I am using http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009XOP5WM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The only LED that has traces near it is the Caps Lock LED, under the 1.25-unit key on the second row from the top. You have to bridge each trace to the adjacent LED solder pad to make it functional.

Or did you have some other configuration on your build?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Tue, 23 September 2014, 20:22:50
Also, I can't seem to get the LEDs to work. I used a 300 Ohm resistor on the bridge labeled [300], but that didn't seem to get it to work. Am I using the wrong resistors? These are the exact resistors I am using http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009XOP5WM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The only LED that has traces near it is the Caps Lock LED, under the 1.25-unit key on the second row from the top. You have to bridge each trace to the adjacent LED solder pad to make it functional.

Or did you have some other configuration on your build?
(http://i.imgur.com/WPLn5gr.jpg)
This is the area I'm talking about. It's marked [300] so I assumed it needed a 300 Ohm resistor. If it did and this isn't the cause of my LED issue I'm at a lost of what is the issue.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 23 September 2014, 20:34:32
Maybe you have the polarity of the LED reversed?

Oh wait, I see that you have soldered LEDs in every switch. But there are no traces on the PCB for any LEDs besides the Caps Lock LED. If you want LEDs in other switches, you would have to hand wire connections to each and every other LED.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Wed, 24 September 2014, 00:08:09
Maybe you have the polarity of the LED reversed?

Oh wait, I see that you have soldered LEDs in every switch. But there are no traces on the PCB for any LEDs besides the Caps Lock LED. If you want LEDs in other switches, you would have to hand wire connections to each and every other LED.

Ohh, that would do it.  :))

Thanks, time for spaghetti.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 27 September 2014, 18:42:02
Don't know if it's been posted here before, if it is even allowed to be posted here. There is a groupbuy running right now on PMK that has a JD40/Smallfry modifier kit as an option.

Just thought everyone should know this since it seems most people are stuck to DSA profile keycaps due to the odd layout of the board.  :thumb:

http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/greentea-base-kit/

Feel free to remove this if it shouldn't be posted here but I just thought it should be pointed out since I didn't know about this until now. 9 more people need to buy the mod pack for it to tip.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: swill on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:44:36
Last chance to win a JD40 => http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62783.msg1469957#msg1469957
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: The feel is of the keys! on Tue, 07 October 2014, 20:31:19
Don't know if it's been posted here before, if it is even allowed to be posted here. There is a groupbuy running right now on PMK that has a JD40/Smallfry modifier kit as an option.

Just thought everyone should know this since it seems most people are stuck to DSA profile keycaps due to the odd layout of the board.  :thumb:

http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/greentea-base-kit/

Feel free to remove this if it shouldn't be posted here but I just thought it should be pointed out since I didn't know about this until now. 9 more people need to buy the mod pack for it to tip.

Getting pretty nervous. Only 4 more to tip the JD40 set and only a day left   :-X. I really hope that it tips other wise I might end up with a DCS set with no modifiers lol.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 07 October 2014, 21:03:42
Don't know if it's been posted here before, if it is even allowed to be posted here. There is a groupbuy running right now on PMK that has a JD40/Smallfry modifier kit as an option.

Just thought everyone should know this since it seems most people are stuck to DSA profile keycaps due to the odd layout of the board.  :thumb:

http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/greentea-base-kit/

Feel free to remove this if it shouldn't be posted here but I just thought it should be pointed out since I didn't know about this until now. 9 more people need to buy the mod pack for it to tip.

Getting pretty nervous. Only 4 more to tip the JD40 set and only a day left   :-X. I really hope that it tips other wise I might end up with a DCS set with no modifiers lol.
I know.. I cannot believe so few orders were put in for it. I hope it tips but I just don't see that happening.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tyvar1 on Thu, 09 October 2014, 12:06:29
Don't know if it's been posted here before, if it is even allowed to be posted here. There is a groupbuy running right now on PMK that has a JD40/Smallfry modifier kit as an option.

Just thought everyone should know this since it seems most people are stuck to DSA profile keycaps due to the odd layout of the board.  :thumb:

http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/greentea-base-kit/

Feel free to remove this if it shouldn't be posted here but I just thought it should be pointed out since I didn't know about this until now. 9 more people need to buy the mod pack for it to tip.

Getting pretty nervous. Only 4 more to tip the JD40 set and only a day left   :-X. I really hope that it tips other wise I might end up with a DCS set with no modifiers lol.
I know.. I cannot believe so few orders were put in for it. I hope it tips but I just don't see that happening.
But it did happened! YEaaah! :D
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: tyvar1 on Tue, 14 October 2014, 14:15:06
Booper (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40027) here on GH having a IC atm for a JD40/The SmallFry keycap set: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=63768
Vote for which profile you want and also vote here http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/deep-space/ so it get tipped!  :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZKmRAzY.png)
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 29 October 2014, 22:03:00
You have my interest...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mrbishop on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:23:02
seems to be a dead thread but i'm super interested in a PCB. anyone have any information on where to get one or is there an opensource design?
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:03:53
seems to be a dead thread but i'm super interested in a PCB. anyone have any information on where to get one or is there an opensource design?

Not open sourced, but whenever we busy few can find a moment to breathe, there will be a GB.
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: whmeltonjr on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:05:17
seems to be a dead thread but i'm super interested in a PCB. anyone have any information on where to get one or is there an opensource design?

Not open sourced, but whenever we busy few can find a moment to breathe, there will be a GB.

Really? I want one!
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:06:11
It will either be a GB or a sale on [CTRL]ALT...
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mrbishop on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:21:22
It will either be a GB or a sale on [CTRL]ALT...
Sweetness. I need a JD40 for when I travel
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: neverused on Fri, 25 September 2015, 19:15:16
It will either be a GB or a sale on [CTRL]ALT...
Sweetness. I need a JD40 for when I travel
The jd45 is an improvement imho
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mrbishop on Fri, 25 September 2015, 21:08:21
i'm game. been trying to develop my own PCB. i have a CNC and it wouln't be that bad to mill the traces out. just been lazy and i've never done PCB design before
Title: Re: The SmallFry KB, AKA jdcarpe loves 40%
Post by: mrbishop on Mon, 01 February 2016, 12:03:06
i know the thread is old. but can someone tell me exactly what resistor i'm going to need and suggest buying sources. as well as LED's please and thanks :)