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Title: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (COMPLETED)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 14:48:05
Cherry profile thick PBT Pitch BLACK edition.
Current status: SHIPPING!

BLANK - $55
(http://i.imgur.com/ztazPFN.jpg)

CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub- $75
(http://i.imgur.com/XJQkoFf.jpg)

Cherry black on black RU dyesub - $75
(http://i.imgur.com/jeRu2Mx.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE - $75
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

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GMK ABS adapter packs (also available on their own) -

Pack Standard: €21 / $29 CANCELLED
(http://i.imgur.com/inxUrCI.png)
contains 6 1x1 row E windowed, 1 row C stepped windowed caps lock, 1 row C  full touch windowed caps lock, 2 row C deepdish home keys, 1 ISO enter, 1 row B 2.25 shift, 1 row B 1.75 shift, 1 row B 1.25 windowed, 3 row B 1x1, 4 row B 1.5, 1 7x spacebar.

Pack EDOX: €18 / $24 CANCELLED
(http://i.imgur.com/wVzFGae.png)
contains 2 row E 1.5, 2 row D 1x1.5, 2 row C 1.5, 2 row C 1x1.5, 2 row B 1.5, 8 row B 1x1, 2 row A 1x1, 4 row A 1x2.

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For those interested in resell, if you order 20+ PBT set I will do set up for any other layout in any font you wish. In addition for 20+ set volume order the groupbuy fee is waived and you will get free uninsured shipping. GMK add-on sets are NOT eligible for a volume discount.
Total 300 PBT sets ordered to go to production. Stepped caps lock is also included in each set as the 105th key.
GMK add ons each have a minimum of 400 to go to production.
Buyer will be responsible for payment of goods, shipping costs, for all paypal fees, and an additional $3 groupbuy fee. You will be billed and all orders collected via paypal in USD. All orders will be sent via USPS. Shipping fees will vary based on what is ordered and it's destination. I will not be liable for uninsured/nontrackable orders damaged or lost during shipping. International orders with insurance/tracking sent via EMS advised for any large orders.
By placing an order you agree to these terms.

Order count (01.3.14):
PBT full sets: 291/300
GMK standard: 33/400
GMK EDOX: 7/250
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 14:58:15
Gangsta!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:00:17
O M EFFIN G! Thank you for doing this Ivan!!!!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:02:32
Ordered.

I've been wanting the black dye sub for a while.

I thought I wouldn't see another GB for this for at least another 6 months.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:02:48
Black on black dyesub?
AKA 'invisible'
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:03:48
Did you already put the order in? I thought we would need to meet a MOQ first?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Keytrun on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:05:14
Can you explain why cherry and not oem?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:06:53
Can you explain why cherry and not oem?

1. Cherry
2. Cherry
3. Cherry
4. Cherry
5. Cherry
6...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Keytrun on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:07:55
? I don't get it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:09:21
Any chance of having 4 more top row blanks?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:10:15
Black on Black should come out looking similar to how it was with the Realforce:
(http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/87UB_led1000_th0x0.jpg)
Indeed it is not a high visibility.
Order won't go to production without the MOQ of 400 total sets ordered. I have not made an order with the factory yet, only made sure it is possible.

Why not OEM? Because Cherry is BETTER!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Satō on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:11:02
imsto thick pbt?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:12:31
? I don't get it.

The only profile/cap really worth getting is Cherry profile.  Cherry caps, be they ABS or PBT are nice and thick and have a nice profile to use.  OEM caps are thin and crappy and have a less pleasant profile.  The point was that Cherry>all.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:13:48
"Cherry is BETTER!"

Words to live by.

I always think OEM profile is a waste. Its almost cherry profile but taller. What's the point?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:14:53
Yes these are again with imsto.
I will see if it's possible to add 4 additional top row 1x key to each set, and if so what that does to the prices.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:17:21
CAN WE PLEASE GET 1.5x MODS AND 7x SPACEBAR!? D:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:18:25
I will see if it's possible to add 4 additional top row 1x key to each set, and if so what that does to the prices.

I'm not opposed to this, but if four people split a blank set, it would only be ~$14 and they'd each get their 4 needed blanks.

CAN WE PLEASE GET 1.5x MODS AND 7x SPACEBAR!? D:

C'mon, you know this is impossible  :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:19:22
THE FACTORY DOES NOT HAVE THE MOLDS FOR THE KEYS ISO ENTER, 1.5 BOTTOM ROW, 1.75 BOTTOM ROW OR 7X SPACEBAR.
If you guys want to pony up $25K to make molds I can see about them.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: j0hnny on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:28:28
I don't see any information other than they visual image of the keyboard layout. Sorry for the newb question, but will these fit my Poker ii?

and just average/estimate, how much will domestic shipping be (I live in Seattle, WA)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:28:53
I don't see any information other than they visual image of the keyboard layout. Sorry for the newb question, but will these fit my Poker ii?

Yes  :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:31:45
Yes these are again with imsto.
I will see if it's possible to add 4 additional top row 1x key to each set, and if so what that does to the prices.

Hopefully it can be done for minimal costs :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: whiteduck on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:39:40
sick , in
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:40:03
Sets are compatible with any boards that follow ANSI 104/87/61 standard. If your keyboard uses same physical layout as Cherry G80-3000***US/EU or Filco MJ2 you should have full coverage. Other physical layouts will provide partial coverage.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IPT on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:43:52
Black on Black should come out looking similar to how it was with the Realforce:
Show Image
(http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/87UB_led1000_th0x0.jpg)

Indeed it is not a high visibility.
Order won't go to production without the MOQ of 400 total sets ordered. I have not made an order with the factory yet, only made sure it is possible.

Why not OEM? Because Cherry is BETTER!

just another reference pic for ya Ivan, Vortex's Black/Black PBT Dyesub
I assume IMSTO's will be similar in visability

Finally i can replace the italic font
(http://i.imgur.com/mQB6UVC.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/5hnsa3Z.jpg
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: j0hnny on Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:45:00
I'm IN! WOOO
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:43:04
When you say these are IMSTO what does that mean? I thought these were GMK.. Does IMSTO do the dyesubbing? While gmk makes the keys?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: sherryton on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:45:20
I am not here to pick any fights.  Originative will come out with nearly the same style keycaps in 2 weeks.  The idea is the same, black on black like the Realforce.  I am not saying you copied ours, but please know that we are not copying yours.  Get ready for Black Friday. :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:46:47
I am not here to pick any fights.  Originative will come out with nearly the same style keycaps in 2 weeks.  The idea is the same, black on black like the Realforce.  I am not saying you copied ours, but please know that we are not copying yours.  Get ready for Black Friday. :)
Would it be ready to ship in two weeks?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: ssdt on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:50:16
Order placed.

Thank you very much for doing this!!!
If you should not be able to read the umlauts on my address, please let me know :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:53:45
When is payment due? I'll just wait until pay day to order, but I'm interested for sure.
Can't decide if I want black on black or blank  :confused:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 17:09:49
Payment wouldn't be due until shortly after the order close. Once orders have closed I will send you an invoice which will have it's due date.
imsto is a member here who assist to organize the manufacture with the Chinese factory. Since they were first to offer these particular Cherry profile PBT keycap it is what most people refer to them by. This buy have nothing to do with GMK.
Accented Latin character is fine. If that is the correct for your address it's not a problem. Just need to stick to Latin character and not use other like Cyrillic, Hangul, Chinese, etc. as the postage labels don't like it. You can put address in other character set in addition to Latin if you wish for secondary address label to aid local delivery.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: alon93 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 17:10:27
Any chance of having 4 more top row blanks?

+1 would love 4 extra blank keys for my ducky
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Psybin on Thu, 14 November 2013, 17:11:45
Thank you for doing this.

I ordered one blank and one printed.

Might do another printed before Jan 15..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: eyesmiles on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:04:31
Can I hug you Ivan? This seriously just made my day :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:11:54
Just read the title, pitch black, so awesome.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:12:35
When you say these are IMSTO what does that mean? I thought these were GMK.. Does IMSTO do the dyesubbing? While gmk makes the keys?

These are PBT.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:20:57
Order submitted.

If anyone isn't planning on using their fulltouch caps lock I'll take it (to use it as a 1.75x right shift).
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:34:20
Heh at least they can't get the caps lock colour wrong ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: whiteduck on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:43:46
Heh at least they can't get the caps lock colour wrong ;)

bazinga!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Sai on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:43:54
Heh at least they can't get the caps lock colour wrong ;)

i am worried about this too.  :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Thu, 14 November 2013, 22:15:35
Heh at least they can't get the caps lock colour wrong ;)

you just ruined everything... free clickclacks must make you an ahole :P

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Keytrun on Thu, 14 November 2013, 22:22:11
I'm curious how this works. Once you get 400 orders they go to production? Once in production how long do they take to make? 400 orders seems like a lot - is it likely that many people will order these?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 22:28:13
I am not here to pick any fights.  Originative will come out with nearly the same style keycaps in 2 weeks.  The idea is the same, black on black like the Realforce.  I am not saying you copied ours, but please know that we are not copying yours.  Get ready for Black Friday. :)

I might get both.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 14 November 2013, 22:30:10
I'm curious how this works. Once you get 400 orders they go to production? Once in production how long do they take to make? 400 orders seems like a lot - is it likely that many people will order these?

Yes and they'll probably ship 1-3 months after production starts.

400 orders is very very likely to happen imo, because A LOT of people have been waiting for something like this for a very very very very very long time. I've personally been waiting for this to be produced for year and there are others who have been waiting even longer.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 22:39:09
I don't know dude..last round the MOQ was like 25 and it barely made it.  400 MOQ is a lot more than you think.  It is going to be very very hard to reach.  There may be a 100 of you who have been waiting, but not 400..this is a very small market after all.

I'll be in for the BonB DS.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Thu, 14 November 2013, 22:41:01
so you're saying everyone just needs to buy 4 sets? :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Furobins on Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:59:08
1 of each
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Keytrun on Fri, 15 November 2013, 00:06:25
Who wants to put up $22,000 (order 400 sets) so that we can get our keys printed sooner than later! Someone needs to take one for the team!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 15 November 2013, 00:17:50
I am still very interested to see samples of the exact grey they use for the keycaps.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 15 November 2013, 00:35:39
If MOQ is 400 then why not go with BSP? If it is because they don't have 1.25 mods or something weird then just get those from imsto and everything else from BSP.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Fri, 15 November 2013, 00:45:02
BSP is like the GMK of PBT right?

how exactly do they differ from imsto?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 15 November 2013, 02:20:10
I am not here to pick any fights.  Originative will come out with nearly the same style keycaps in 2 weeks.  The idea is the same, black on black like the Realforce.  I am not saying you copied ours, but please know that we are not copying yours.  Get ready for Black Friday. :)

Thanks for being transparent about this! I assume your set will be a little more expensive than the set Ivan is offering?

This basically means interest will be split between people who want it fast and people who want it as cheap as possible. This might make it even harder for this GB to reach a MOQ of 400. Of course this isn't your nor Ivan's fault.

@ Ivan

Since this is done via IMSTO again: Is there a possibility to fix the capslock issue from last round? In a perfect world I want a matching key for every design we ordered, but I would also be content with a generic capslock key with black legends or a blank one.

Can you please check what possibilities there are? Thanks! I feel IMSTO owes us something since he didn't deliver what we actually ordered and paid for...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: eyesmiles on Fri, 15 November 2013, 02:53:01
Since this is done via IMSTO again: Is there a possibility to fix the capslock issue from last round? In a perfect world I want a matching key for every design we ordered, but I would also be content with a generic capslock key with black legends or a blank one.

Can you please check what possibilities there are? Thanks! I feel IMSTO owes us something since he didn't deliver what we actually ordered and paid for...

Not to speak for Ivan, but I'm fairly certain a same color stepped and non-stepped caps lock is attainable for blank sets. For example, just looking at the blank white/grey/blue sets everything is consistent. In terms of what I'm assuming will be dark charcoal with black legends, the stepped and non-stepped caplocks should be the consistent as well. Judging by the dyesubbed sets that have been made so far, when the base keycap color is all the same, there are no problems. When it's the white/beige two tone colorway, that's when things get iffy like the factory is too lazy to produce a beige non-stepped caplocks because they have to set up the machines all over again (just my theory).

On another note in terms of MOQ, I believe the 400 can be reached. We're not taking about GMK packs/combinations we have to piece together that will total over $100 easily (Not to hate because I love GMK goodness). Each set is under $100 and contains everything a person needs to fill their keyboards. My guess is, many may come out of lurking and newer members won't have to hesitate to participate in this; they're simple black keycaps. They won't have to worry about if whether or not they got the correct language set or question if the set will come with a spacebar. It's all there :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bazh on Fri, 15 November 2013, 03:13:32
can we get legend like the GMK Dolch on Windows and menu key ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 15 November 2013, 04:02:01
Thank you, Ivan! This is awesome! BLANK BLACK THICK PBT!!!!!  :D  :thumb:  :thumb:

Ordered.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 15 November 2013, 04:06:16
Any chance of having 4 more top row blanks?

+1 would love 4 extra blank keys for my ducky

I would also be interested in some keys from the blank set to get extra keys for ISO. I guess we could split a set accordingly :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 15 November 2013, 04:23:18
If MOQ is 400 then why not go with BSP? If it is because they don't have 1.25 mods or something weird then just get those from imsto and everything else from BSP.

Is BSP  better?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bazh on Fri, 15 November 2013, 05:08:37
If MOQ is 400 then why not go with BSP? If it is because they don't have 1.25 mods or something weird then just get those from imsto and everything else from BSP.

Is BSP  better?

BSP has 1.5x mods so one who use 86/84 layout will want to stick with BSP
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 15 November 2013, 08:37:40
4 extra top row keys add $4 to the set price.

Someday I might try ordering with BSP but they lack keys most people want/need for average keyboard and are a lot more expensive.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: JPG on Fri, 15 November 2013, 08:43:44
Any possibility of getting a sample of the black color that will be used for the caps?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 15 November 2013, 08:48:37
I've asked for sample key black on black dyesub to make sure it will look good. I don't know when/if I will have it yet.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: divito on Fri, 15 November 2013, 10:27:36
Interesting. Will have to wait to see Originative's offering though.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 15 November 2013, 13:37:09
At least the group buy close on January 15th, so you'll have plenty of time to think.

:P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Lu_e on Fri, 15 November 2013, 15:13:32
hmm... more $$ than I thought it would be, gonna think about it some more.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 15 November 2013, 15:37:21
Same groupbuy price as always for these Cherry thick PBT sets. Outside the groupbuy they are usually like $90.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 15 November 2013, 17:22:50
I'll probably pick up two blank sets and a printed set. I'd like to see that sample key for the printed if we could.

I'll put my order in tonight. [if we're each buying a printed a non printed it's only 200 :P]
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: acidtrip69 on Fri, 15 November 2013, 17:44:22
i will like to ask, If you can do a set that have Silver legends ? in color Silver, not white ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 15 November 2013, 18:26:19
T_T

Ivan stop with the awesome GBs

I'm running out of money
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: catbuster on Fri, 15 November 2013, 19:39:48
These will fit perfect on poker 2 right?  :) I am kinda new here...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 15 November 2013, 19:40:27
These will fit perfect on poker 2 right?  :) I am kinda new here...

Yes :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Rayne on Fri, 15 November 2013, 20:18:49
hm, really tempted to get a set of blanks, we will see if i have the funds.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: catbuster on Sat, 16 November 2013, 03:31:34
I want set of blanks, but first i want to see sample  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: would on Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:25:15
Is the color going to be charcoal or actually black? :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: moogle on Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:30:26
it won't be black black; the base will have to be lighter for black dyesub legends to work
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: cruk on Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:44:57
I've asked for sample key black on black dyesub to make sure it will look good. I don't know when/if I will have it yet.

Will wait out for the sample before placing my order to avoid future hassles  ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: damorgue on Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:52:33
Still the 400 MOQ heh?

(Mainly posting to keep tabs of the thread and any updates to this. I'd be in if other languages are added.)

Edit: The blank set is only missing 4 keys to cover ISO. I get why it won't be possible to make it happen for the set with legends.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: would on Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:54:01
it won't be black black; the base will have to be lighter for black dyesub legends to work

I'm actually hoping for that. I prefer charcoal over black.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 16 November 2013, 09:10:20
i will like to ask, If you can do a set that have Silver legends ? in color Silver, not white ?
I don't think that this is possible with the dyesub process. You can only make the printing darker, not lighter than the keycap colour.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 16 November 2013, 09:37:42
As before ISO isn't possible because they don't have mold for the ISO enter to make the keys. I tried to offer ISO without the enter last time and there was almost no interest. I've hunted high and low for a solution, and the only one presently would be to use ABS from GMK. No one else seems to have Cherry profile ISO enter besides Cherry (or whatever 3rd party makes their keycaps which they won't say) who absolutely refuse to sell keycap only.

It's going to be dark enough to call black, but still allow printing a few shades darker black. The printing will be very very subtle.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 16 November 2013, 15:47:42
The printing will be very very subtle.

I might be one of the few who wants it basically invisible.
*fingers crossed it's not too light for my tastes*

Edit: Hey Ivan, should I place an order for 2 blank sets now, and another for a printed set later, or just hold out and do it all at once.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Lu_e on Sat, 16 November 2013, 17:05:07
Ya I will probably get a blank set. Still keen to see the printed sample though.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Halbyrd on Sat, 16 November 2013, 23:02:40
Is there any chance of getting the printed set in Dvorak? I'm sorely tempted, but I don't want to spend this much on a set printed with the "wrong" layout.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bueller on Sat, 16 November 2013, 23:08:55
Is there any chance of getting the printed set in Dvorak? I'm sorely tempted, but I don't want to spend this much on a set printed with the "wrong" layout.

I doubt that very much.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Halbyrd on Sun, 17 November 2013, 03:29:37
Is there any chance of getting the printed set in Dvorak? I'm sorely tempted, but I don't want to spend this much on a set printed with the "wrong" layout.

I doubt that very much.

Meh, guess I'll pass then. My next best hope is to find a set of DSA PBT caps with this kind of lettering--DSA rows are all the same, so I don't have to care much about the "layout".
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 17 November 2013, 09:14:40
Is there any chance of getting the printed set in Dvorak? I'm sorely tempted, but I don't want to spend this much on a set printed with the "wrong" layout.
As with the last Dvorak set(s) made, I will buy some if they are offered.

Hopefully the printing will be straighter this time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 17 November 2013, 09:15:38
I offered Dvorak on the first PBT set buy I did. Very few people were interested so I haven't offered it again.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tobias on Sun, 17 November 2013, 15:14:20
Is there any chance of getting the printed set in Dvorak? I'm sorely tempted, but I don't want to spend this much on a set printed with the "wrong" layout.

I doubt that very much.

I would also be interested in getting the Dvorak layout!!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 17 November 2013, 15:21:41
I offered Dvorak on the first PBT set buy I did. Very few people were interested so I haven't offered it again.
But those people were very interested!
I use both my sets every day.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Forever on Sun, 17 November 2013, 16:40:26
Well, IMSTO has a similar one just like ProjectD said, the VORTEX.
But according to some of my chinese friends, it has a poor quality. After a few weeks using, the legends on keycaps disappeared, which is ridiculous for dyesub keycaps.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 17 November 2013, 18:43:11
I will think about adding Dvorak if there is at least 20 people that want it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: alon93 on Mon, 18 November 2013, 05:13:02
4 extra top row keys add $4 to the set price.

How can I order this option? I want a blank set (or maybe printed if we'll get to see a sample)
Also in your experience how much will shipping to Israel be for 1 set?

Thanks
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: phantomz on Mon, 18 November 2013, 11:06:37
I'll be buying a new Filco keyboard this Christmas and need a set of keys to customize it. I'm definitely in for the deal, but I'm still deciding on whether to go with the blanks or black on black. I would also like to see the sample when you get it.

Thanks Ivan for setting this up.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Dreamre on Mon, 18 November 2013, 13:20:03
Will be purchasing this before the deadline. Highly interested :).
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Willy on Mon, 18 November 2013, 14:15:34
I wan- I NEEED!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 18 November 2013, 14:18:05
Will be purchasing this before the deadline. Highly interested :).

I don't get this. You don't have to pay any money right now. Invoices will be sent after MOQ was reached.

If everybody did this we would never reach MOQ...

If you are so sure about ordering please just submit your order now. If anything changes in a couple of weeks you can still cancel it  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 18 November 2013, 15:03:30
I will think about adding Dvorak if there is at least 20 people that want it.
I will be hyping this as much as possible.

Lets get to 20 people!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: theMANtonio on Mon, 18 November 2013, 15:22:04
Definitely in for this  8)


Thanks for organizing.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dante on Mon, 18 November 2013, 20:39:40
I don't think this has been asked yet: Will these have a 6 stem spacebar for Leopold FC200R compatibility?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 18 November 2013, 22:46:49
Placed an order for 2 blank and 1 printed. May cancel the printed after we get the preview.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: CriticalHit on Tue, 19 November 2013, 00:27:28
I'm in for this! While not quite what I was looking for, the black on black looks too damn slick!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 19 November 2013, 01:14:47
I don't think this has been asked yet: Will these have a 6 stem spacebar for Leopold FC200R compatibility?

I don't know for sure, but I assume the spacebars will be similar to Ivan's other PBT GBs. These only had 4 stems (for modern boards like Filco and vintage Cherry boards).
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 19 November 2013, 12:04:47
I don't get this. You don't have to pay any money right now. Invoices will be sent after MOQ was reached.

If everybody did this we would never reach MOQ...

If you are so sure about ordering please just submit your order now. If anything changes in a couple of weeks you can still cancel it  :thumb:

A wise man. This times 1000.

No the spacebar is only compatible for standard (ie Filco, CM QFR, Poker, Ducky, etc) and Cherry mount.

I was trying to decide what to do about those who want the extra 4 keys in the sets... I think I will just make it a separate item instead of increasing the cost for everyone. I suppose it can be useful for other purposes that way to buy as many additional 4 keys as you may need. If you require those keys please re submit your order in the form.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: GeorgeK on Tue, 19 November 2013, 12:45:09
Any word on the sampler you requested?  I like the look of the set presuming it looks good :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: alon93 on Tue, 19 November 2013, 13:09:32
Ordered, may change to printed depending on the sample, I just hope it will be a deep shade of black and not charcoal.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 19 November 2013, 13:26:25
Still waiting to hear back about sample from imsto for sure. Said probably only able to get color sample plank, not key.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dante on Tue, 19 November 2013, 15:43:46
Still waiting to hear back about sample from imsto for sure. Said probably only able to get color sample plank, not key.

Can you double check on the space bar?   Feng is selling Thick PBT's from Imsto too and he claims they are compatible with the Leopold.  Maybe they were revised since then?

Just thinking outside the box - if they do work on the FC200R this might attract more buyers for the MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 19 November 2013, 16:38:46
Half the sets feng has were from my earlier groupbuy and are certinaly not Leopold compatible spacebar. The spacebar have 4 stems 2 on the outside for normal stabs distance and 2 in the center section for the switch.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 19 November 2013, 17:23:30
Still waiting to hear back about sample from imsto for sure. Said probably only able to get color sample plank, not key.
A plank would be fine, as long as it shows the printing and the colour. Even just a big square area is good. Thanks for looking into this.

Half the sets feng has were from my earlier groupbuy and are certinaly not Leopold compatible spacebar. The spacebar have 4 stems 2 on the outside for normal stabs distance and 2 in the center section for the switch.
This should provide compatibility with both OEM (filco, etc) and Cherry keyboards.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: genkigavin on Tue, 19 November 2013, 17:37:54
<3 so excited. Ill need a new keyboard for sure. Gotta couple months to figure it out.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Vitamins on Tue, 19 November 2013, 22:14:43
Dear god, black on black PBT's for my Poker II are EXACTLY what I've been hunting for.
This is awesome, order submitted.
Thanks Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 20 November 2013, 00:05:24
I'm in for 5 sets :3
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 20 November 2013, 00:46:55
I'm in for 5 sets :3

That's the spirit! :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 20 November 2013, 12:06:00
I'm in for 5 sets :3

You may as well pick up a Dvorak set while you're here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.msg1122318#msg1122318)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbuck153 on Wed, 20 November 2013, 14:44:12
Any love for Pure owners? I'd be happy with a blank 1.75 that you have lying around if that's possible...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 20 November 2013, 18:23:18
Factory does not have the 1.75 shift size.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: midnight2903 on Thu, 21 November 2013, 12:30:33
How do you differentiate PBT blank with normal blank keycaps?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: JPG on Thu, 21 November 2013, 12:37:44
How do you differentiate PBT blank with normal blank keycaps?

pbt will feel different (more textured to me) while abs feels more smooth. Also, pbt will not shine or take a lot of time before shining.

Also, these keycaps are thick and cherry profile while most keycaps you will have on stock keyboards are oem profile and thin. It's all about personal preference, but many people prefer thick keycaps and the cherry profile since it gives the feeling that the keycaps are more stable and sturdy and it absorbs more sound.

Honestly, I was surprised when I tried my first thick pbt keycaps with cherry profile set because it really had a BIG impact on the typing experience, all positive for me.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 21 November 2013, 14:46:47
The stepped caps lock is not center stemmed right? Would it be possible to have two fulltouch caps with my order instead of a stepped one?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 21 November 2013, 14:48:32
Stepped caps lock is for Cherry G80 offset. Substitutions are not possible.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 21 November 2013, 14:51:14
Oh well, thanks.

Anyone want to trade a blank stepped caps lock for a full touch one once these ship? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 21 November 2013, 17:37:59
Any word on the b on b tester?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: geogga on Thu, 21 November 2013, 17:43:09
Hello Ivan, I must thank you for doing this because I was looking for a black blank PBT cherry set but every where was sold out.
Unfortunately I won't be able to order yet, maybe in a week-two weeks, but will put a order if orders mysteriously rise quickly.
How would we cancel it later? Would we send a message to you later?

Edit: signed up anyway, since it's paypal, it's under my mom's name, but provided both names incase.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 22 November 2013, 17:51:50
Hello Ivan, I must thank you for doing this because I was looking for a black blank PBT cherry set but every where was sold out.
Unfortunately I won't be able to order yet, maybe in a week-two weeks, but will put a order if orders mysteriously rise quickly.
How would we cancel it later? Would we send a message to you later?

Edit: signed up anyway, since it's paypal, it's under my mom's name, but provided both names incase.

Orders close mid-January - you have plenty of time even to order at the last minute.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 23 November 2013, 02:46:04
Hello Ivan, I must thank you for doing this because I was looking for a black blank PBT cherry set but every where was sold out.
Unfortunately I won't be able to order yet, maybe in a week-two weeks, but will put a order if orders mysteriously rise quickly.
How would we cancel it later? Would we send a message to you later?

Edit: signed up anyway, since it's paypal, it's under my mom's name, but provided both names incase.

Orders close mid-January - you have plenty of time even to order at the last minute.

Just order right now. If something comes up you can cancel.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: WindyDays on Sat, 23 November 2013, 20:54:36
How do we calculate shipping prices (to Australia)?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 24 November 2013, 10:16:28
Each set weighs about 7 ounces. You can go on USPS postage calculator (http://postcalc.usps.com/) to estimate. I ship first class by default unless priority is cheaper or it is specifically requested.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: mondoman712 on Sun, 24 November 2013, 11:43:47
How long will it be before I get them? and is there any chance I could get a 60% set for my poker II (for less money because I need less keys)?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 24 November 2013, 13:17:24
How long will it be before I get them? and is there any chance I could get a 60% set for my poker II (for less money because I need less keys)?

Extremely unlikely.  There are only two options to keep it simple.  If a 60% set was added then it would have to reach MOQ in and of itself, which is even more unlikely.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 24 November 2013, 16:23:17
No sorry, only 104+ set is available.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dante on Sun, 24 November 2013, 20:05:34
No sorry, only 104+ set is available.

You get to go through all the pain I did when I tried running the POM GB.  Despite what is available in the first post people will still want something different. :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Sun, 24 November 2013, 21:09:18
ya...you should get back on that btw :P  alot of hopes and dreams died with that gb lol
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sun, 24 November 2013, 22:28:12
The POM GB is dead?
Please add 2 more blank sets to my order IvanIvanovich ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: strict on Mon, 25 November 2013, 08:10:09
Just submitted an order for a dyesub set that will go on my new Filco! These key caps are exactly what Ive been looking for  :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 25 November 2013, 11:37:13
Ages left on the deadline I know but I'm still holding out for a look at the tester before I order - I don't want blanks and I don't want the BoB to look rubbish...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 25 November 2013, 11:41:17
imsto is still trying to squeeze black pbt chip blood out of the factory stone.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: gameaholic on Mon, 25 November 2013, 22:50:30
Will definitely order one set of blanks and probably order one set of printed before Jan.  Gotta see sample first. 
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 26 November 2013, 01:20:43
Will definitely order one set of blanks and probably order one set of printed before Jan.  Gotta see sample first.

This is so many people. :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 26 November 2013, 01:27:34
I don't know what those samples change for you.

Do you really think Ivan would produce a set that looks ****ty?

In my opinion it would be better if everybody who is interested in this set just placed an order, so we have an actual interest count. Right now people might look at this GB and think it's not even worth thinking about participating because it won't happen anyway since we haven't even reached 1/4 of MOQ.

If the samples turn out to look like crap and Ivan still decides to go for it (which won't happen), you can still cancel your order - nothing lost for you...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 26 November 2013, 02:07:54
I don't know what those samples change for you.

Do you really think Ivan would produce a set that looks ****ty?

In my opinion it would be better if everybody who is interested in this set just placed an order, so we have an actual interest count. Right now people might look at this GB and think it's not even worth thinking about participating because it won't happen anyway since we haven't even reached 1/4 of MOQ.

If the samples turn out to look like crap and Ivan still decides to go for it (which won't happen), you can still cancel your order - nothing lost for you...

I've placed an order for 2 blanks and 1 printed. But if the printed is more gray and visible than I'd like I'll cancel my printed. Just saying though, what people are looking for with the printed set varies.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: YongJK on Wed, 27 November 2013, 02:19:08
Hey Ivan.
Can you check whether or not I put an order?
I want to make sure before I have dupe order.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bueller on Wed, 27 November 2013, 02:22:33
In my opinion it would be better if everybody who is interested in this set just placed an order, so we have an actual interest count.

+1

Get those orders in guys, Ivan will be no doubt confirming orders closer to invoice date so you have plenty of time to pull out if you don't like the examples or don't have the cash.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 27 November 2013, 11:39:40
imsto has told me factory will be matching against black/black Realforce key (see example post 10) so if you like that shade black you should be all set.

YongJK you have not placed an order yet.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 27 November 2013, 11:44:17
imsto has told me factory will be matching against black/black Realforce key (see example post 10) so if you like that shade black you should be all set.

YongJK you have not placed an order yet.

hot damn! sounds good
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: raphdu57 on Wed, 27 November 2013, 12:18:59
Just what I needed to hear to decide myself!
Ordered.
Thanks for GB!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: SelektaM on Wed, 27 November 2013, 15:09:22
Order placed
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 27 November 2013, 17:12:57
imsto has told me factory will be matching against black/black Realforce key (see example post 10) so if you like that shade black you should be all set.

Excellent! That is a really nice colour combination.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Thu, 28 November 2013, 00:00:37
i don't understand how people can't see the legends on the rf boards....there is an extreme amount of contrast there
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 28 November 2013, 01:26:49
i don't understand how people can't see the legends on the rf boards....there is an extreme amount of contrast there

+1 I wanted something much more subtle. I admit I am afraid the blank black will be gray colored keys like RF as well. I was hoping it would match my black Filco case.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Thu, 28 November 2013, 02:42:22
at this point, i hope the keycaps on my board are defects and that the charcoal was supposed to be much darker lol.

EDIT:  at the end of the day, I'm still good for this gb because it's the best we can get.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 28 November 2013, 10:48:14
It can't really be black black, because then only blank, engraved, lasered is possible. It's like rich black vs. process black... it's still black.
(http://www.netsourceinc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/blacks.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: WinterIsle on Thu, 28 November 2013, 11:00:01
So the blank ones will be process black or rich black?
Would love it more if its rich black ♥
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 28 November 2013, 21:03:55
is dyesub or double shot better for longer lasting keys?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 28 November 2013, 21:05:15
is dyesub or double shot better for longer lasting keys?

Pbt is better than abs in that department
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 28 November 2013, 21:10:00
So tempted by the blanks as a set to replace all sets.

only problem is I own a 75% and a cherry 11900, 75% would waste a bunch of keys and the 11900 would waste the bottom row keys due to 6x spacebar and 1x mods.....FML
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 28 November 2013, 21:46:13
So tempted by the blanks as a set to replace all sets.

only problem is I own a 75% and a cherry 11900, 75% would waste a bunch of keys and the 11900 would waste the bottom row keys due to 6x spacebar and 1x mods.....FML

Sounds like a first world problem.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Thu, 28 November 2013, 23:53:33
So tempted by the blanks as a set to replace all sets.

only problem is I own a 75% and a cherry 11900, 75% would waste a bunch of keys and the 11900 would waste the bottom row keys due to 6x spacebar and 1x mods.....FML

um....just deal with it?

it's cheaper than anything with legends and it's just cheap in general.

I haven't seen too many dedicated 75% keysets
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 29 November 2013, 01:37:27
Just buy more sets, so you can use the numpad 0 2x key for the shift and the extra 1x keys for the mods and such... sell the leftovers as a 37set or whatever.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Six on Fri, 29 November 2013, 21:10:39
Ordered blanks +4. I'm looking forward to turning my ducky into an ominous black slab.

Is the spacebar pbt as well?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 30 November 2013, 09:43:50
Yes the spacebar is PBT too.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: WindyDays on Sun, 01 December 2013, 23:12:59
So blanks will be... rich black?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 02 December 2013, 10:52:28
Any chance getting this caps made if we don't hit 400 sets (lower MOQ for higher price...)?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: boost on Mon, 02 December 2013, 11:09:47
ordered!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: j0hnny on Mon, 02 December 2013, 17:58:42
update on the buy count?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 02 December 2013, 18:34:47
Still have not broken even 100 set yet. Still a long way to go.
All the sets will be same black. See the Realforce black on black, it will be just like it.
MOQ must be met, perhaps some vendor would like to order some larger amounts...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 02 December 2013, 20:48:43
Man how is that even possible... I got 3 for just me, and other people here have expressed interest in multiple sets. EVERYONE PUT YOUR MONEY TOWARDS BLANK BLACK PBT!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IPT on Tue, 03 December 2013, 12:40:45
possibly the originative black friday sale affected this.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: t2russo on Tue, 03 December 2013, 12:49:47
possibly the originative black friday sale affected this.

50 sets?  I'm in on both since I figured getting to 400 here was going to be shifty until the last minute, given the ability of people to make an account and say that they are interested in the buy and need to wait, but are unable to read the first post and understand that if they do not put in their vote into what is basically an interest poll, all of their hand wringing is for naught.  The fact that Sherry is getting IMSTO just to make the 1.25x and 6.25x keys for his kit and relying on BSP for the wkl keys means that he's getting IMSTO's factory rolling for Realforce replicas.  That might speed up the samples for Ivan, but the hard fact is that Ivan has to basically herd cats into following instructions and making commitments so that he can actually try to get people the product they've been waiting for.  Originative just said **** it and threw money at the problem because they are a business.  That's how you make sure things come to market.  If people didn't want Originative's pricing, they needed to commit to this.  You can't be wishy washy and expect people to pick up the slack for you.

PS. TOTES NO ANGER AT THE projectD

Just felt like explaining what's been going through my head with these two buys, I'd really like to see this be successful because a blank black Cherry set has always been my dream keyset ever since I saw a 356L.  Ever since the thin PBT's with/without the gold sideprint seemed to be EOL'd, there has definitely been a huge void in the market.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 03 December 2013, 13:11:21
Yeah this happens a lot around here I think. People always say oh I will wait to order to see if it's going to make it. Problem is 80% is doing the same, no one places order and it fails. If you want things, place the order. If it still doesn't happen you 'wasted' couple minutes filling the form, not much of a loss for you.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 03 December 2013, 15:20:19
Yeah this happens a lot around here I think. People always say oh I will wait to order to see if it's going to make it. Problem is 80% is doing the same, no one places order and it fails. If you want things, place the order. If it still doesn't happen you 'wasted' couple minutes filling the form, not much of a loss for you.

+1, you're not throwing money at anything. Just fill out those forms people!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tobias on Wed, 04 December 2013, 04:35:11
Yeah this happens a lot around here I think. People always say oh I will wait to order to see if it's going to make it. Problem is 80% is doing the same, no one places order and it fails. If you want things, place the order. If it still doesn't happen you 'wasted' couple minutes filling the form, not much of a loss for you.

+1, you're not throwing money at anything. Just fill out those forms people!

i totally agree!!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: catbuster on Fri, 06 December 2013, 05:45:57
Quick question?

Can i use different email to get invoice than my paypal email?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Biased opinion on Fri, 06 December 2013, 07:29:19
my bank balance is going to hate me for this but **** it, im in for a set of blanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 06 December 2013, 10:39:34
Quick question?

Can i use different email to get invoice than my paypal email?

You can, but I strongly prefer that you do not. It makes it a lot harder if I need to follow up on something when my data dosen't match up in my order sheet vs. paypal.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: balanar on Sat, 07 December 2013, 21:29:50
Put in an order for one of each.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: gameaholic on Sun, 08 December 2013, 17:28:16
Ordered
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: terrpn on Mon, 09 December 2013, 16:49:17
ordered..........

ordered the blanks to- for my ducky

these blanks r top row correct? just asking to see if there are any for bottom row- g80, num pad?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 09 December 2013, 17:44:50
The additional 4, yes they are top meant for Ducky, Keycool, etc. 108... stand alone numpad with 4 extra top keys, or what not.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: acediac01 on Tue, 10 December 2013, 11:26:54
I'm in for a set of blanks + 4, I hope orders start picking up during/after the holidays.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Wed, 11 December 2013, 19:40:06
Do you know when around these will ship?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 11 December 2013, 19:53:35
Usually couple month after order is paid to production.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Wed, 11 December 2013, 20:25:59
Usually couple month after order is paid to production.

Awesome! I think I will order the day after XMAS, because I get my keyboard the day before. Really hoping this goes through, it is just what I have been looking for!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 11 December 2013, 20:28:07
Usually couple month after order is paid to production.

Awesome! I think I will order the day after XMAS, because I get my keyboard the day before. Really hoping this goes through, it is just what I have been looking for!

Well we do need to hit that MOQ,,,
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: divito on Wed, 11 December 2013, 21:01:45
Threw in an order for one of each so far to help with MOQ. Would be a shame if we're not able to hit it people.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Wed, 11 December 2013, 21:47:38
Threw in an order for one of each so far to help with MOQ. Would be a shame if we're not able to hit it people.

Yeah I am really hoping that this one goes through.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: _howsyourcat on Wed, 11 December 2013, 21:52:55
Just ordered 2!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: epzy on Wed, 11 December 2013, 22:35:15
Ordered a set. Come on people!  :-*
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 11 December 2013, 22:36:49
Who is making the caps and why is their moq so high?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dante on Wed, 11 December 2013, 23:32:36
why is their moq so high?

You would think they would be satisfied with just a moq of 100 or 200 - think how easy it is - no QC'ing legend quality nor wear and tear on the engraving machine.

^ blanks (only)

Still .. wtf
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: eyesmiles on Thu, 12 December 2013, 01:17:31
why is their moq so high?

Just by looking on taobao, you can see China really enjoys vivid colors when you look up keycaps. The amount of unicorn vomit is quite impressive. But what does that all have in common? The possibility for legends to be visible. Each black PBT keycap that's still available has some sort of engraved, infill design. Looking at the black PBT sets a few years back, most were laser engraved or etched to show legends. My guess for the high MOQ is that the factory that imsto, KBC, Vortex, what-have-you uses probably thinks that dye subbing sets in all black isn't beneficial for them hence why you rarely see black PBT sets nowadays. Ducky black PBT sets are a good example as mechanicalkeyboards, etc. haven't gotten stock since forever (aside from what Ducky Nordic can come up with like the engraved QWERTZ sets, etc. but even those are only a few). Another is that Vortex black on black/charcoal set with the ugly font. You hardly see those anymore (probably because the font was so ugly :p). I'm certain that dark charcoal will be similar to what will be used for the non blank set so the Cherry font can be dye sub onto it.

I remember bugging imsto (others have too I believe) if he would do blank, black sets and he would reply with a simple 'No' regardless of whatever amount you'd pay him/bribe him with. I'm still curious as to what Ivan said to imsto so he could convince the factory to run these sets. I'm still hoping for more people to get in on this because I really would like to see this actually happen as there's a spacebar that's PBT as opposed to BSP and their lack of spacebar molds.

My $0.02.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Thu, 12 December 2013, 01:39:14
I can't believe no vendor has jumped in with a huge order :?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: geogga on Thu, 12 December 2013, 07:33:57
Barely past 100  :(
Read almost 8000 times.
QQ
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: watterrbottle on Thu, 12 December 2013, 10:36:31
Ordered. I'm willing to wait as long as it takes to hit the MOQ :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 12 December 2013, 10:50:36
I'm new to this process. If the MOQ isn't hit before January 15th, what happens? Do we just hang tight until we reach the MOQ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: quochung1989 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 10:53:36
I'm new to this process. If the MOQ isn't hit before January 15th, what happens? Do we just hang tight until we reach the MOQ?
Maybe we have to continue wait until hit MOQ
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 12 December 2013, 11:21:00
If MOQ not reached on deadline... it depend on how far away it is still what I decide. Either extend or cancel because too low interest.
What I say to imsto to agree these? Well that is easy... accept 400 MOQ factory wants. It's probably pretty much a custom order, they need to get black PBT material. I am sure they want to use the volume, as they are probably subject to minimum order from materials supplier too, and not have it laying about.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 14:33:51
Will these be thick?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 12 December 2013, 14:37:29
Will these be thick?

yes, imsto pbt is thick pbt
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 17:16:18
Will these be thick?

yes, imsto pbt is thick pbt

Sweet, thanks! Also, thanks Ivan for this GB, my fingers are crossed on the MOQ being reached.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 12 December 2013, 18:01:02
How did I not see this until now?

Ordered.

Thanks for doing this Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Glenn315 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 18:41:06
I hope this makes it!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 20:16:47
Now I have the hard decision.... Blanks or Black on Black. First world problems.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 12 December 2013, 20:34:12
Now I have the hard decision.... Blanks or Black on Black. First world problems.

Both!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: quochung1989 on Thu, 12 December 2013, 21:17:39
Now I have the hard decision.... Blanks or Black on Black. First world problems.
I think you should choose blank because it is full blank. About black on black, there is 3 key blank. I think it is not uniform :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 13 December 2013, 01:03:40
Now I have the hard decision.... Blanks or Black on Black. First world problems.
I think you should choose blank because it is full blank. About black on black, there is 3 key blank. I think it is not uniform :)

Do what I did and get two blanks and a printed set.
GET THIS MOQ FCK I WANT THESE
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: alon93 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 05:04:42
Ivan if we don't reach the MOQ can we still get these made but pay more for each set?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Psybin on Fri, 13 December 2013, 05:14:41
What kind of numbers are we looking at so far?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 December 2013, 11:32:49
Current count is 115 sets. As long as MOQ is reached somehow they can be made. If you're willing to pay more per set, might as well just buy more sets as that is what you would be doing anyway.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: genkigavin on Fri, 13 December 2013, 11:51:37
Ordering another set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 12:18:25
Could people buy them only to sell them after the GB to get the MOQ up?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 December 2013, 12:48:54
Of course. I do not care what one does with things they buy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IPT on Fri, 13 December 2013, 12:49:51
Could people buy them only to sell them after the GB to get the MOQ up?

noone is stopping them
except for people who will troll saying you paid so and so price on the GB, why are you charging more blah blah
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 13:24:57
Could people buy them only to sell them after the GB to get the MOQ up?

noone is stopping them
except for people who will troll saying you paid so and so price on the GB, why are you charging more blah blah

Okay thanks for the clarification. Was wondering because I may buy both, keep which I like more and sell the other off lower than GB price.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Fri, 13 December 2013, 19:47:29
(http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/pdkb400b_corner1000_th620x400.jpg)

Will the black on black look like this?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 December 2013, 19:51:31
Yes, factory will be matching from Topre black on black keycap so it should be extremely similar.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 14 December 2013, 10:20:40
Looking at these picture I can't believe we don't have more orders.

As far as I know there was no major GB for this before. People should be all over it, but I guess many are just broke around christmas ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 14 December 2013, 10:39:54
Yeah. Not only has black Cherry profile thick PBT basically not existed, even it's very hard to find low quality OEM thin PBT keycap in black right now which would probably even be a similar price. I expected more as well since I think it has been on lot of people wish list for some time. Perhaps orders will pick up towards the end since that happens lot of time. I never get why people waiting until last minute it's not like you have to pay now.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dante on Sat, 14 December 2013, 10:57:11
Don't hate the player: hate the factory.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 14 December 2013, 11:37:43
I feel like buying an extra set, too.

 If these turn out well, they might be my end game key caps.

Even though this is geekhack, so usually that means the game is never over. Lol!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Sat, 14 December 2013, 16:01:03
Quick question, would the Black Lettering Caps look good on a Shine 3 that has a black case?
The grey of the Topre caps makes me wonder.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 14 December 2013, 16:04:47
It's rather subjective I suppose. I don't think it would look bad on any black keyboard casebody, having both shades of black being the exact same is probably unlikely though. But then that is usually even the case with stock keycap anyway on all black keyboard.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: jorgenslee on Sun, 15 December 2013, 08:21:32
Hi IvanIvanovich. I am contemplating on placing an order, but I would like to know first if how much would the shipping cost for 1 or 2 keysets to philippines. Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 15 December 2013, 10:45:04
International shipping cost about $7-11.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Psybin on Sun, 15 December 2013, 11:32:39
I don't follow this thread super close but if numbers are hurting close to deadline ill order a 3rd set, any little bit helps I guess.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: GeorgeK on Sun, 15 December 2013, 14:59:56
Finally placed an order :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: jorgenslee on Sun, 15 December 2013, 21:21:15
International shipping cost about $7-11.

cool. order placed. Thanks
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: adhoc on Mon, 16 December 2013, 05:33:37
Why no love for ISO :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 16 December 2013, 05:41:40
If you read the thread you'll see that the factory doesn't have the mould to make an ISO enter
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: adhoc on Mon, 16 December 2013, 05:57:29
I did read the thread and I do know they can't make it. That does not invalidate my question, however.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: ynrozturk on Mon, 16 December 2013, 06:08:02
wut
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 16 December 2013, 06:10:41
My thoughts exactly - I'm sure that somewhere in one of Ivan's threads I read that the mould for ISO would cost them thousands of $ - probably not worth it...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: adhoc on Mon, 16 December 2013, 06:13:33
Well we didn't have to buy moulds for ANSI because factory already has it, hence my question why no love for ISO or in other terms (obviously more understandable for some reason, which is unknown to me) - why do they not have a mould for ISO as well.

Either way it's more a rhetorical question and I can't believe I have to explain this.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: ynrozturk on Mon, 16 December 2013, 06:52:55
What's a rhetorical question.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Shinryuu on Mon, 16 December 2013, 08:04:27
Woah, finally I can replace my blank ABS keyset with something better!

EDIT1. Order done
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: adhoc on Mon, 16 December 2013, 08:08:13
What's a rhetorical question.

Yes.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 16 December 2013, 08:15:04
I'm confused by the above... I give up.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 16 December 2013, 08:16:44
@ Ivan

The MOQ of 400 is for both sets combined and not for each set right?

If so, I could probably squeeze in a blank set to my existing order, but right now this wouldn't change much I guess...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 16 December 2013, 10:54:35
That's right it's 400 sets total. In reality we are ordering 400 blank sets from the keycap factory, then X sets go to the dyesub process.

I don't know why they don't have ISO. I suppose they don't since Asia doesn't use ISO generally but ANSI and they are a Chinese factory?

I was considering... since the MOQ number is the same... how would it feel about getting a little 'extras' from GMK in ABS blank black for ISO enter, 1.5 mod, 1.75 shift, 7x spacebar, and windowed lock keys? Assuming the price is cheap would people mind it get added into the sets? I know some people don't like idea of mixing keycap material but having keys to accommodate layout is better than nothing?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:02:00
I'd love that idea, but as an ISO user I am biased of course :D

For me matching colors are way more important than matching materials. An ISO add on set is only interesting if it's the exact same shade of black in my opinion.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:16:20
exact same shade of black

I imagine that'd be very hard to achieve - two different companies using two different materials would more than likely lead to slightly different shades of black...

I'm not that fussed by the ISO keys but maybe 1.5 mods etc might be cool - if it doesn't add to the price too much (say $5-10) then I'd be in :thumb:

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: naokira on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:18:57
That's right it's 400 sets total. In reality we are ordering 400 blank sets from the keycap factory, then X sets go to the dyesub process.

I don't know why they don't have ISO. I suppose they don't since Asia doesn't use ISO generally but ANSI and they are a Chinese factory?

I was considering... since the MOQ number is the same... how would it feel about getting a little 'extras' from GMK in ABS blank black for ISO enter, 1.5 mod, 1.75 shift, 7x spacebar, and windowed lock keys? Assuming the price is cheap would people mind it get added into the sets? I know some people don't like idea of mixing keycap material but having keys to accommodate layout is better than nothing?


yeah if only we get that ISO and winkeyless at a low price. I'm definitely down for atleast 2 :)
Have you tried contacting GMK about this?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:27:08
No I haven't got in touch with GMK yet, just something that came up recently as an idea chatting with some other members. I thought I would see reaction first. As far as color matching perfetly, I think it's safe to go on assumption it will not.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: strict on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:28:15
That's right it's 400 sets total. In reality we are ordering 400 blank sets from the keycap factory, then X sets go to the dyesub process.

I don't know why they don't have ISO. I suppose they don't since Asia doesn't use ISO generally but ANSI and they are a Chinese factory?

I was considering... since the MOQ number is the same... how would it feel about getting a little 'extras' from GMK in ABS blank black for ISO enter, 1.5 mod, 1.75 shift, 7x spacebar, and windowed lock keys? Assuming the price is cheap would people mind it get added into the sets? I know some people don't like idea of mixing keycap material but having keys to accommodate layout is better than nothing?

I might put in for a second set of these caps except in blank to help us meet the MOQ. How should I go about this? Just place another order like I did for the first set or is there a way to edit my existing order?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:29:44
If you saved the link the form gave you at the end you can use that to edit your order entries. Otherwise just place a new order with all your info and everything you want and the old ones will get deleted.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: naokira on Mon, 16 December 2013, 13:08:29
No I haven't got in touch with GMK yet, just something that came up recently as an idea chatting with some other members. I thought I would see reaction first. As far as color matching perfetly, I think it's safe to go on assumption it will not.

Sherry did the otaku with bsp and imsto, though I don't think bsp has iso enter.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: adhoc on Mon, 16 December 2013, 13:23:45
That's right it's 400 sets total. In reality we are ordering 400 blank sets from the keycap factory, then X sets go to the dyesub process.

I don't know why they don't have ISO. I suppose they don't since Asia doesn't use ISO generally but ANSI and they are a Chinese factory?

I was considering... since the MOQ number is the same... how would it feel about getting a little 'extras' from GMK in ABS blank black for ISO enter, 1.5 mod, 1.75 shift, 7x spacebar, and windowed lock keys? Assuming the price is cheap would people mind it get added into the sets? I know some people don't like idea of mixing keycap material but having keys to accommodate layout is better than nothing?

Isn't ANSI exactly the same as ISO only different enter and 105 keys vs 104? I'd be interested if I could get a full blank black set of caps for my Cherry G80-3000, even if that means enter would be ABS...I don't think the difference in colour would be that great, would it?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: strict on Mon, 16 December 2013, 13:25:02
If you saved the link the form gave you at the end you can use that to edit your order entries. Otherwise just place a new order with all your info and everything you want and the old ones will get deleted.

Thanks for the info. Since I did not save the old URL I just submitted a new order for a set of blanks and a set of dye sub. I figure I can try them both and keep which ever I like better.

I really, really hope we can meet MOQ, I'm dying for a set of these!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 16 December 2013, 13:26:22
That's right it's 400 sets total. In reality we are ordering 400 blank sets from the keycap factory, then X sets go to the dyesub process.

I don't know why they don't have ISO. I suppose they don't since Asia doesn't use ISO generally but ANSI and they are a Chinese factory?

I was considering... since the MOQ number is the same... how would it feel about getting a little 'extras' from GMK in ABS blank black for ISO enter, 1.5 mod, 1.75 shift, 7x spacebar, and windowed lock keys? Assuming the price is cheap would people mind it get added into the sets? I know some people don't like idea of mixing keycap material but having keys to accommodate layout is better than nothing?

Isn't ANSI exactly the same as ISO only different enter and 105 keys vs 104? I'd be interested if I could get a full blank black set of caps for my Cherry G80-3000, even if that means enter would be ABS...I don't think the difference in colour would be that great, would it?

The left shift is a different size and the legends are different on a good number of keycaps.  There's an extra 1x keycap on the asdfg row and zxcv row too.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 16 December 2013, 14:06:39
No I haven't got in touch with GMK yet, just something that came up recently as an idea chatting with some other members. I thought I would see reaction first.

If its an add on then fine, but I don't want to pay for something I have 0 use for.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: terrpn on Mon, 16 December 2013, 14:24:15
That's right it's 400 sets total. In reality we are ordering 400 blank sets from the keycap factory, then X sets go to the dyesub process.

I don't know why they don't have ISO. I suppose they don't since Asia doesn't use ISO generally but ANSI and they are a Chinese factory?

I was considering... since the MOQ number is the same... how would it feel about getting a little 'extras' from GMK in ABS blank black for ISO enter, 1.5 mod, 1.75 shift, 7x spacebar, and windowed lock keys? Assuming the price is cheap would people mind it get added into the sets? I know some people don't like idea of mixing keycap material but having keys to accommodate layout is better than nothing?

 :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 16 December 2013, 15:41:31
OK we will see how much it cost the GMK extras, and go from there.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:35:20
These ideas are good to sweeten the pot.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: catbuster on Thu, 19 December 2013, 09:50:25
120/400  :( this is just sad
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: WinterIsle on Thu, 19 December 2013, 10:15:37
Hope everything goes well.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:50:25
I expect more orders once patch kit is available to accommodate ISO and winkeyless option hopefully.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: genkigavin on Thu, 19 December 2013, 14:30:51
If you saved the link the form gave you at the end you can use that to edit your order entries. Otherwise just place a new order with all your info and everything you want and the old ones will get deleted.

Ohh they get deleted. I'm going to fill a third form with both old forms combined and save the url this time. Thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Lu_e on Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:50:45
Submitted finally.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 19 December 2013, 18:24:53
Worked up another printed set idea...
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)
Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
Any interest?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: moogle on Thu, 19 December 2013, 18:36:55
interesting concept ...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IPT on Thu, 19 December 2013, 18:47:17
and now i gotta buy that if it goes through lol
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 December 2013, 18:56:01
Worked up another printed set idea...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
Any interest?

Oh snap.  I want that.   :eek:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bueller on Thu, 19 December 2013, 19:15:39
Worked up another printed set idea...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
Any interest?

If that is an option you'll have another order from me.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: WinterIsle on Thu, 19 December 2013, 19:43:28
Not interested.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: naokira on Thu, 19 December 2013, 21:53:03
dark sindarin anyone? :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Lu_e on Fri, 20 December 2013, 00:07:55
hmm... maybe you should update the OP colors? this dark grey base color kinda has me thinking twice. I understand it has to be lighter than the dyesub ink but damn... black is black! not grey... o well I guess I will still order
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 20 December 2013, 00:54:52
Worked up another printed set idea...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
Any interest?

As I already said on DT .... honestly I am not a big fan of it. It's just too extravagant for me.

And the fact that I had to google "Aurebesh" to know what it's supposed to be, speaks for itself I think. Maybe I am not nerdy enough, but I have seen the classic Star Wars Triology like 20 times, read a lot of SW books and played many SW video games and still haven't heard of that word before (maybe it's different in German...).

But of course my personal opinion doesn't mean you shouldn't try it!

What MOQ are we talking about? Does this help towards the 400 or would this be totally separate?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bueller on Fri, 20 December 2013, 00:57:26
Worked up another printed set idea...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
Any interest?

As I already said on DT .... honestly I am not a big fan of it. It's just too extravagant for me.

And the fact that I had to google "Aurebesh" to know what it's supposed to be, speaks for itself I think. Maybe I am not nerdy enough, but I have seen the classic Star Wars Triology like 20 times, read a lot of SW books and played many SW video games and still haven't heard of that word before (maybe it's different in German...).

But of course my personal opinion doesn't mean you shouldn't try it!

What MOQ are we talking about? Does this help towards the 400 or would this be totally separate?

This would help towards MOQ, we just need to meet 400 blank sets and then they can be divided up between the different printed/blank orders.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: tbc on Fri, 20 December 2013, 01:00:01
I'm up for anything that will get me my blank set for < $75.

I have no issue with having extra abs iso keys around.


EDIT:

Is it possible to dyesub the entire key a darker black? I heard of only swiss studios or w/e having that machinery/technique though.

I would pay a straight $100 for that.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 20 December 2013, 01:04:19
Worked up another printed set idea...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
Any interest?

On second thought, would there be any way to get legends where the main legend is regular ansi and there's a secondary legend with these characters?  Similar to Miami Odessa or many of the other multilingual sets you've made.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bueller on Fri, 20 December 2013, 01:05:48
Worked up another printed set idea...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
Any interest?

On second thought, would there be any way to get legends where the main legend is regular ansi and there's a secondary legend with these characters?  Similar to Miami Odessa or many of the other multilingual sets you've made.

Only problem I can see with that is that the Odessa set had different coloured legends. Black in black with sub legends would probably be pretty hard to read.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 20 December 2013, 01:07:44
Worked up another printed set idea...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
Any interest?

On second thought, would there be any way to get legends where the main legend is regular ansi and there's a secondary legend with these characters?  Similar to Miami Odessa or many of the other multilingual sets you've made.

Only problem I can see with that is that the Odessa set had different coloured legends. Black in black with sub legends would probably be pretty hard to read.

Quite possibly, indeed.  Hmm.   :-\
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 20 December 2013, 07:40:46
I'd take both.

Would this help us meet moq?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: naokira on Fri, 20 December 2013, 11:20:29
Black on black Sindarin.
I would offer 13 virgins for this

For context:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38264.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38264.0)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: yjfknt on Fri, 20 December 2013, 11:46:12
Ivan is there anyway to get an extra blank (space bar row key) with this so it can actually fit my kbt pure pro?
I'm trying to get cherry profiled keycaps but I want a whole set that actually fits.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 20 December 2013, 13:17:36
Best bet would be to buy another numpad from some tenkeyless user.

US sublegends on Aurebesh? I don't think it look good, this is more a hardcore SW set for novelty sake.
I might come up with some other font options, maybe something more modern normal fonts.

400 MOQ period, so anything ordered helps make the MOQ as it's all one MOQ for the black keysets. Printed option is just an extra step.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 20 December 2013, 14:12:58
Hopefully, this new option helps
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dante on Fri, 20 December 2013, 15:18:21
Who buys keycaps from this factory other than GH resellers?  For a MOQ of 400 I'd be expecting at least a couple boards on the market to carry them.

You are still far more successful with this gb than I was with my failed POM one.  And that one only had a MOQ of 200.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 20 December 2013, 15:31:42
Really not sure... I can't think of a single keyboard that comes with these exact keycaps. The Cherry profile ones on Choc mini, Neo and Plum seem to come from somewhere else as they have some small differences in the inside of the keycap on the corners and such. I wish I did know that source since they have 1.5, 1.75 and windowed keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sat, 21 December 2013, 10:14:31
Black on Black should come out looking similar to how it was with the Realforce:
Show Image
(http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/87UB_led1000_th0x0.jpg)

Indeed it is not a high visibility.
Order won't go to production without the MOQ of 400 total sets ordered. I have not made an order with the factory yet, only made sure it is possible.

Why not OEM? Because Cherry is BETTER!

I hope the final set will look like this :
(http://i.imgur.com/h1F81q4.png)
Absolutely, it's a ninja dyesub PBT keyset with Cherry profile :thumb:

or like this if mixed with Imsto grey/gray set :
(http://i.imgur.com/lJJEV6Z.png)

Edited: I added more themes
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sat, 21 December 2013, 16:06:07
Black on Black should come out looking similar to how it was with the Realforce:
Show Image
(http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/87UB_led1000_th0x0.jpg)

Indeed it is not a high visibility.
Order won't go to production without the MOQ of 400 total sets ordered. I have not made an order with the factory yet, only made sure it is possible.

Why not OEM? Because Cherry is BETTER!

I hope the final set will look like this :
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wn0USkG.png)

Absolutely, it's a ninja dyesub PBT keyset with Cherry profile :thumb:



1.5 , 1.0 R4 mods + x7 spacebar in the set? where you getting this info from?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 21 December 2013, 16:07:30
1.5, 7, 1.75, ISO enter, windowed lock keys will all be available soon. BUT only as blank, printed is not option with those.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: naokira on Sat, 21 December 2013, 16:22:18
1.5, 7, 1.75, ISO enter, windowed lock keys will all be available soon. BUT only as blank, printed is not option with those.

going gmk ivan?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 21 December 2013, 16:25:08
Yes exactly, the patch kit will be GMK because the PBT factory doesn't make any of those.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sat, 21 December 2013, 20:48:44
1.5 , 1.0 R4 mods + x7 spacebar in the set? where you getting this info from?

I just collected information from this thread, draw it and hope the final results will be what I expect
(http://i.imgur.com/h1F81q4.png)
mixed with imsto grey/gray dyesub set
(http://i.imgur.com/lJJEV6Z.png)
Indeed, it maybe slightly different in reality but well, a ninja is still a ninja, it's my dream set, you know  :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sat, 21 December 2013, 21:25:52
1.5, 7, 1.75, ISO enter, windowed lock keys will all be available soon. BUT only as blank, printed is not option with those.

since these will be GMK, are they PBT? thick or the thin PBT we find from GMK on the beige printed PBT keys?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: colinm478 on Sun, 22 December 2013, 00:44:55
I am planning on getting the black on black set, but I have one question as I am new to mechanical keyboards, will these work fine with a Filco Majestouch full keyboard? The best I can tell it looks like it will work, but I need to be certain.

Oh, and first post!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 22 December 2013, 00:59:11
I am planning on getting the black on black set, but I have one question as I am new to mechanical keyboards, will these work fine with a Filco Majestouch full keyboard? The best I can tell it looks like it will work, but I need to be certain.

Oh, and first post!

yes
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: kenmai9 on Sun, 22 December 2013, 01:00:13
I am planning on getting the black on black set, but I have one question as I am new to mechanical keyboards, will these work fine with a Filco Majestouch full keyboard? The best I can tell it looks like it will work, but I need to be certain.

Oh, and first post!

Almost all sets in the group buy section will fit the standard Filco keyboard. You're lucky you have the most standard layout :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: colinm478 on Sun, 22 December 2013, 01:05:22
I am planning on getting the black on black set, but I have one question as I am new to mechanical keyboards, will these work fine with a Filco Majestouch full keyboard? The best I can tell it looks like it will work, but I need to be certain.

Oh, and first post!

Almost all sets in the group buy section will fit the standard Filco keyboard. You're lucky you have the most standard layout :D

Well, will have. It's a little Christmas present to myself. I haven't used a mech. keyboard since early 2000s when we had an IBM keyboard. Ever since then I've been on annoying keyboards, right now I'm typing on a scissor style wireless. It sucks...

So excited!

Last question to you guys, do these group buys get canceled a lot of the time? I saw a few threads marked canceled, so I was wondering the chances of this one making it?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 22 December 2013, 01:06:24
I am planning on getting the black on black set, but I have one question as I am new to mechanical keyboards, will these work fine with a Filco Majestouch full keyboard? The best I can tell it looks like it will work, but I need to be certain.

Oh, and first post!

Almost all sets in the group buy section will fit the standard Filco keyboard. You're lucky you have the most standard layout :D

Well, will have. It's a little Christmas present to myself. I haven't used a mech. keyboard since early 2000s when we had an IBM keyboard. Ever since then I've been on annoying keyboards, right now I'm typing on a scissor style wireless. It sucks...

So excited!

Last question to you guys, do these group buys get canceled a lot of the time? I saw a few threads marked canceled, so I was wondering the chances of this one making it?

Most hit the MOQ

But because this buy has a MOQ of 400, its slim
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 22 December 2013, 10:09:31
We've gotten 300 MOQ in the past and on things that seemed way less likely like Russian sets and white/purple doubleshot. Maybe it's more of a push at 400 but I believe it can happen. Still waiting on some interested vendors to confirm amounts.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: DarkShot on Sun, 22 December 2013, 13:34:22
Loving these. Been looking all over for a full set of black PBT caps. Here's another two sets added onto that total.

How far along are we right now?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 22 December 2013, 14:26:25
We've gotten 300 MOQ in the past and on things that seemed way less likely like Russian sets and white/purple doubleshot. Maybe it's more of a push at 400 but I believe it can happen. Still waiting on some interested vendors to confirm amounts.

did you have vendors for the 300 moq hits?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Lu_e on Sun, 22 December 2013, 15:00:06
Loving these. Been looking all over for a full set of black PBT caps. Here's another two sets added onto that total.

How far along are we right now?

The count is at the bottom of the 1st post.

I added a link to my signature hoping to attract some people.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 22 December 2013, 15:12:19
I would have to go back and check for sure, but I don't recall having any significant vendor help on previous high MOQ groupbuy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Stevenator21 on Mon, 23 December 2013, 11:43:59
Is it possible we could get a set with side printing like the Filco MJ2 Ninja?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 23 December 2013, 11:57:04
I'm looking into some options with laser legend, side print could be one. I will know more soon.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: lolkey on Mon, 23 December 2013, 15:12:03
I'm looking into some options with laser legend, side print could be one. I will know more soon.

I'd be in if side printed caps with some nice centered text. Anyways, how do these work if you don't meet the 400 fulfillment?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 23 December 2013, 15:35:19
If never reach MOQ, nothing get made.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 23 December 2013, 15:50:24
If never reach MOQ, nothing get made.

 :'(

Must… buy… more…
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: colinm478 on Mon, 23 December 2013, 16:13:00
If never reach MOQ, nothing get made.

 :'(

Must… buy… more…

I am planning on placing an order. For those saying "well just place it now the moneys not due yet" I can't. I am unsure if I'll have 75 then. (aint that pathetic).

I will be getting either black on black, or the side laser etched if you can get them.

GabeN willing some venders step up on this I really want these keycaps.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: dante on Mon, 23 December 2013, 16:16:44
If the GB does not succeed (I hope it does) make sure the factory knows they could have sold over 130 sets if they weren't so greedy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 23 December 2013, 16:37:26
I'm hoping the OP gets updated with new options to get the numbers up.

I also hope people notice the change.

You might need to update the title so people will know there are additions to this GB.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: lolkey on Mon, 23 December 2013, 16:42:22
I'm hoping the OP gets updated with new options to get the numbers up.

I also hope people notice the change.

You might need to update the title so people will know there are additions to this GB.

What are the additions?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Candyflip on Mon, 23 December 2013, 16:45:52
Will there be a TKL version for cheaper of the blank set? If not anyone who needs an extra num pad keys can PM me
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 23 December 2013, 16:48:31
Will there be a TKL version for cheaper of the blank set? If not anyone who needs an extra num pad keys can PM me

I believe this is very unlikely. We're having trouble hitting the MOQ as it is, and fragmenting the buy in any way would only make it worse.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: Candyflip on Mon, 23 December 2013, 16:55:15
Will there be a TKL version for cheaper of the blank set? If not anyone who needs an extra num pad keys can PM me

I believe this is very unlikely. We're having trouble hitting the MOQ as it is, and fragmenting the buy in any way would only make it worse.
As I thought so but I saw some guys in need of extra keys from alpha/space row for whatever layout they are using and my post was more so if someone wants to share an order :)
ps. I hope this one meets MOQ since there are not many thick black pbt these days around, especially in cherry profile.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 23 December 2013, 21:35:38
As far as I am aware, there is currently no such thing as Cherry profile black PBT. I will update the OP (and probably extend close date a bit) once I know all the details and pricing for the potential additions to this buy. Full set will only be 104+ set, no smaller PBT sets will be an option.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: colinm478 on Mon, 23 December 2013, 21:44:39
Ivan is there absolutely no way of talking them down to a smaller MOQ? 200 would be obtainable.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: CK Briefs on Mon, 23 December 2013, 22:02:30
Perhaps posting the realforce key cap picture in the opening post to show the 'true' colour of the caps and attract a couple more people for the MOQ? I feel as if that would help since I'm sure realforce lovers will love those key caps on their cherry mx switches.

As well, it's still the holidays; definitely more buyers after people come back from holidays/have more money :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: fourzeropooh on Mon, 23 December 2013, 23:27:17
As far as I am aware, there is currently no such thing as Cherry profile black PBT. I will update the OP (and probably extend close date a bit) once I know all the details and pricing for the potential additions to this buy. Full set will only be 104+ set, no smaller PBT sets will be an option.

Is there Cherry profile white PBT?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 24 December 2013, 09:26:51
Yes, did white groupbuy already.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: gameaholic on Tue, 24 December 2013, 10:22:35
Yes, did white groupbuy already.

Link to pics please. 
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 24 December 2013, 11:36:51
Previous groupbuys Round 1 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=31861.0), Round 2 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43328.0). Not all options may be pictured, may find them in what got in mail today and what added to keyboard today threads.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 25 December 2013, 10:17:13
Added Aurebesh and RU as orderable choices.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: naokira on Wed, 25 December 2013, 10:57:37
Ivan can we go Sindarin? :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 25 December 2013, 11:00:12
I do that later maybe, I think it would be better with green. All black isn't very elf like.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: naokira on Wed, 25 December 2013, 11:14:52
It would be Mordor-esque <3
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 13:51:55
I do that later maybe, I think it would be better with green. All black isn't very elf like.

Green on black dyesub??? Mmmm

Merry Christmas folks. Let's get this to MOQ
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 15:54:27
That would be great if purple was a dye choice.

I don't think purple would be visible on black though.

I need to add at least one of these new choices.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition]
Post by: lolkey on Wed, 25 December 2013, 17:22:13
Previous groupbuys Round 1 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=31861.0), Round 2 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43328.0). Not all options may be pictured, may find them in what got in mail today and what added to keyboard today threads.

Is it still possible to buy those sets? Specifically the Blank - ANSI [MOQ met] - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43328.0.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Stevenator21 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 18:35:36
Finally got my mech will buy one of these sets in the coming days. (Hoping the side print will go through!)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 26 December 2013, 09:55:32
Can only make darker color dyesub than the keycap for it to show up.
White sets from previous are sold out on my end, but perhaps imsto or feng still have some left.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Thu, 26 December 2013, 09:59:50
Just submitted an updated order as I lost the URL to edit my first one. Really hoping this hits MOQ, hopefully offering 4 layouts will get us there.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: gameaholic on Thu, 26 December 2013, 22:09:08
Considering adding darkside.  Where is this from?  Is it an official Star Wars font?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 27 December 2013, 11:31:50
Yeah DARKSIDE it SW, Aurebesh can be seen through the movies and games... Razer did a keyboard with it when Old Republic game came out.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 27 December 2013, 11:33:37
Ordered an RU set.

I love Cyrillic legends.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: chongu on Fri, 27 December 2013, 20:24:38
Ordered one blank set. My first blank set ever and I couldn't ask for it to be better. Lets reach that MOQ!!  :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: YongJK on Sat, 28 December 2013, 05:10:57
RU set is damn nice.
Especially the Win key.
I am sold.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: gruener_Salat on Sat, 28 December 2013, 05:49:21
May we get a different Windows-key on the Cherry set? Maybe blank as it was before?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: gameaholic on Sat, 28 December 2013, 16:26:59
So to change order I just re submit?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 28 December 2013, 18:08:40
Yes just submit again if you didn't save your order link from the last time.

It's very hard to please everyone about what on winkey. Some want win, some blank, some another thing...  If most people want particular, that is fine and it can be changed to suit majority but I hope it won't disrupt other order.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: gameaholic on Sat, 28 December 2013, 18:36:39
Submitted.  Darkside should go well with my my dream Vader Clack I will eventually get.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 29 December 2013, 00:13:48
Any chance of only doing the alphas(minus \| keys)?
This way you only need to hit a 40 MOQ (10 caps on bottom row means make the same one 40 times to get 400 MOQ)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 29 December 2013, 00:28:37
What like a 37 set or something?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 29 December 2013, 00:30:38
What like a 37 set or something?

But 36 without the \| 1.5x key, so it can hit the MOQ much easily
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 29 December 2013, 00:51:34
I might keep that in mind if I do other colors in the future, but I think I would like to stick to full set. I suspect many are like me and want matching mods and etc.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bazh on Sun, 29 December 2013, 03:57:47
how about adding a lighter-gray alpha base to this set so we could have a black-legend Dolch :v
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: gruener_Salat on Sun, 29 December 2013, 05:09:52
It's very hard to please everyone about what on winkey...

That's fine, thanks. Just don't like the new window/rectangles.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 29 December 2013, 11:31:28
If you want a 2tone, I think imsto still have some of the medium grey set left, you could buy one of those too and mix match them how you like it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: t2russo on Sun, 29 December 2013, 14:00:32
If you want a 2tone, I think imsto still have some of the medium grey set left, you could buy one of those too and mix match them how you like it.

Holy crap now I know what to do with my grey alphas now that the mods are matched with a white set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: catbuster on Sun, 29 December 2013, 15:48:35
Ordered 1 blank set >.>
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Stevenator21 on Sun, 29 December 2013, 20:15:35
how about adding a lighter-gray alpha base to this set so we could have a black-legend Dolch :v

That would be beautiful.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Blusey on Sun, 29 December 2013, 21:03:08
Damn darkside looks really nice... might have to consider it (:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bazh on Mon, 30 December 2013, 03:10:49
Can we have payment deadline set to Febuary, Jan15 is so close to Lunar New Year so I affraid can not pay on time :( after LNY would be much easier for me to arrange the money
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Candyflip on Mon, 30 December 2013, 03:21:19
Can we have payment deadline set to Febuary, Jan15 is so close to Lunar New Year so I affraid can not pay on time :( after LNY would be much easier for me to arrange the money
Yea pushed back deadline and lowered MOQ would be nice.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 30 December 2013, 09:04:51
Lowered MOQ I don't see happening, but I wouldn't mind an extended deadline.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Mon, 30 December 2013, 09:11:51
I think we might actually have a shot at making moq if the deadline is pushed a little. Hopefully now with 4 sets on offer we can get there.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 30 December 2013, 11:56:47
Yes I will extend the order end. I still haven't gotten quote from GMK on the blank ABS add on for ISO, winkeyless and extra windowed key yet anyway and it looks like they won't be back to their office until the 8th January.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: gruener_Salat on Mon, 30 December 2013, 15:07:25
Lazy German workers...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 30 December 2013, 15:12:51
You know I think it's nice they can have so much holidays. Not like America when lucky to get week vacation for whole year and half days on a holiday.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 30 December 2013, 15:14:52
You know I think it's nice they can have so much holidays. Not like America when lucky to get week vacation for whole year and half days on a holiday.

Yes I believe it's been proven that given a few more days off makes workers more productive instead of working them to the bone :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: gruener_Salat on Mon, 30 December 2013, 15:51:06
Sure, I like the obligatory 24 days of vacation here in Germany, some even have 30 days off.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: geogga on Mon, 30 December 2013, 16:08:41
o.o

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: cookiesowns on Mon, 30 December 2013, 16:16:31
This still available for ordering? Estimated shipping date?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Mon, 30 December 2013, 18:41:36
Sure, I like the obligatory 24 days of vacation here in Germany, some even have 30 days off.

Yep we've got 20 days paid vacation + 10 paid sick days here in Aus.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 30 December 2013, 20:14:31
This still available for ordering? Estimated shipping date?

Yes you can place an order. ETA is not set currently. Need to make the MOQ to have them made, and production time can vary.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Galactic on Mon, 30 December 2013, 20:48:10
**** wish I had some spare cash to fork out for these bad boys. Awesome keys!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 30 December 2013, 20:50:16
It will be awhile, you can place an order and if you need to cancel it that is OK.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 31 December 2013, 01:07:48
Just ordered. These look awesome! Thanks so much for organizing this GB Ivan  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: pr1me on Tue, 31 December 2013, 04:12:31
placed an order! hopefully it will reach MOQ sooner than later :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 31 December 2013, 04:45:15
Couldn't resist so I made an order for a couple of pieces, Ivan's Group Buys are always decent no matter what the subject is  :thumb: .
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Galactic on Tue, 31 December 2013, 09:14:41
Can you give an approx on shipping for 1 set to Australia please Ivan, also do you have an approx on when the money will be due by? Considering putting myself down for a blank set but only if I'll be able to afford it by the payment due date - can't work atm due to surgery :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: geogga on Tue, 31 December 2013, 12:55:26
Well he said that the deadline will be extended, but he still doesn't know.
Since the OG was Jan 15, I'm going to guess a couple more weeks later? Early- mid February?

Hey guys, slightly noob question: I heard the PBT keycap surfaces (smooth, a bit rough, textured etc) can range from the different manufacteurs. How is this compared to sets like Ducky, IMSTO's sets+other common PBT?
 sets? or all they all slightly rough/textured?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 31 December 2013, 13:00:15
Yeh depend on how much longer it is until I get price from GMK on ABS extras. Probably extra 3-4 week run time. Ship price for one set international is around $12-14.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 31 December 2013, 17:14:59
Yeh depend on how much longer it is until I get price from GMK on ABS extras. Probably extra 3-4 week run time. Ship price for one set international is around $12-14.

Great, gives us some time to save up for these  ;D .  GMK is always worth the money, hope 400 will be reached soon.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bazh on Tue, 31 December 2013, 21:40:08
Well he said that the deadline will be extended, but he still doesn't know.
Since the OG was Jan 15, I'm going to guess a couple more weeks later? Early- mid February?

Hey guys, slightly noob question: I heard the PBT keycap surfaces (smooth, a bit rough, textured etc) can range from the different manufacteurs. How is this compared to sets like Ducky, IMSTO's sets+other common PBT?
 sets? or all they all slightly rough/textured?

this GB will be made by imsto I believe  ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 31 December 2013, 23:12:01
PBTs are from imsto, there will also be ABS add on from GMK for ISO, winkeyless, 1.75 shift, and windowed lock keys to go along with it.

imsto PBT are not too rough, but not quite as velvety as BSP or Cherry (if you disregard lasering).
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: evolveS on Wed, 01 January 2014, 13:44:08
Ordered.

Any chance of a stepped caps lock in this gb? I looked through the thread but couldn't really find an answer.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 01 January 2014, 14:41:29
Yes stepped caps lock is include. I made this more clear in the OP thanks for pointing out I had forgot about that.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: evolveS on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:20:25
Awesome, thank you sir!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Novus on Wed, 01 January 2014, 18:57:43
My first time participating in a groupbuy!
I have a question, does it come in black?
Why yes, it does!
SWEEEET

In for a set of blank keycaps for my future boards down the line!
Possibly considering ordering a second set as well but I'll update my order once I'm sure I want to commit to 2 sets.

Happy new years!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 01 January 2014, 19:06:22
Is the stepped caps lock centerstem or offset?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 01 January 2014, 19:07:00
Stepped is offset for use on G80.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: -devious- on Wed, 01 January 2014, 22:22:44
I'm completely new to mechanical keyboards but have been reading and browsing online as much as possible to get up to speed to some degree.

Just ordered a Poker II (my first mechanical keyboard) and would love to get these all black keys! I really like the look of blank keys, but I think it will take a lot of time to get used to the secondary functions of the poker II before I go blanks..

Either, way, I'm placing an order just so I have these for the future! Thanks for setting this up.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: JaccoW on Thu, 02 January 2014, 12:54:27
Hey Ivan, I might be down for one but I would need an extra 2.25x Shift and a 1x Windows key. Any idea where I might find a matching version of those? Do you or Imsto have these?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 02 January 2014, 12:56:24
IMSTO makes one offs for a cost.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 02 January 2014, 13:01:31
Hey Ivan, I might be down for one but I would need an extra 2.25x Shift and a 1x Windows key. Any idea where I might find a matching version of those? Do you or Imsto have these?

For FC660M right? If there is enough user of this board I can see about adding to extras add on pack.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: JaccoW on Thu, 02 January 2014, 14:33:00
Hey Ivan, I might be down for one but I would need an extra 2.25x Shift and a 1x Windows key. Any idea where I might find a matching version of those? Do you or Imsto have these?

For FC660M right? If there is enough user of this board I can see about adding to extras add on pack.
Exactly. That would be nice and worth a small premium to me.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: geogga on Thu, 02 January 2014, 15:38:16
PBTs are from imsto, there will also be ABS add on from GMK for ISO, winkeyless, 1.75 shift, and windowed lock keys to go along with it.

imsto PBT are not too rough, but not quite as velvety as BSP or Cherry (if you disregard lasering).

Could I sand them with a high grit if I wanted? Probably wouldn't but just wondering.

small favor but could you check to make sure I placed an order of a blank set?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 02 January 2014, 17:02:57
geogga, yes I see an order from you for blank set. Probably not best idea to post your email like that in open forum.
Perhaps I should say more that these imsto key texture is fine, but is not ultrafine like original Cherry/BSP. Certainly not abrasive like the cheap Keycool/KBC/Ducky OEM thin or SP PBT.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Nubbles on Thu, 02 January 2014, 19:41:23
I just submitted my order to maybe help with the MOQ.
I know it's a long shot, but this is a beautiful keyset.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: MiR4i on Thu, 02 January 2014, 19:47:52
I'm very interested in these, but this will be my first time ever buying keycaps.  :D  Will the blank blacks look similar to these - http://imgur.com/a/8hEa4 ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: tbc on Thu, 02 January 2014, 20:08:45
not as dark and the keycaps will be slightly shorter (like 1mm or 2mm) on some rows.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: MiR4i on Thu, 02 January 2014, 22:38:41
not as dark and the keycaps will be slightly shorter (like 1mm or 2mm) on some rows.
WoW... Not as dark?  "Pitch Black" might not be the correct term to describe these then. ;D  I'll most likely end up jumping in on these next week though because it seems that the entire internet is out of stock of blank black PBT ANSI key caps.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: tbc on Thu, 02 January 2014, 23:03:39
It can't really be black black, because then only blank, engraved, lasered is possible. It's like rich black vs. process black... it's still black.
Show Image
(http://www.netsourceinc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/blacks.jpg)


I could be wrong because i don't have that board or those caps, but those caps match that case and i've never seen a black case that I wouldn't call black.  the realforce caps (that is the black/charcoal color we are matching) are noticably lighter than any black case I've seen

i'm not sure if its more 'out of stock' or more 'never existed'
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: MiR4i on Thu, 02 January 2014, 23:07:13
It can't really be black black, because then only blank, engraved, lasered is possible. It's like rich black vs. process black... it's still black.
Show Image
(http://www.netsourceinc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/blacks.jpg)

Ahhh, I was under the impression that reply was about the text for black on black since he also mentioned engraving.  I guess if it's dark, dark gray it's probably not going to be what I'm looking for then.  Apologies for wasting anyone's time, but thanks for taking the time to do these group buys!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Galactic on Fri, 03 January 2014, 08:04:33
Any update on order totals Ivan?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: atlas3686 on Fri, 03 January 2014, 09:37:49
Hey Ivan, any chance of a control caps lock option like the realforce boards?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 03 January 2014, 10:47:27
Unfortunately, I've got to cancel my order. I made a few miscalculations in my funds, and I can't eat keycaps. I might buy a set from classifieds later, but for now I'll just have to go without.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: geogga on Fri, 03 January 2014, 22:00:52
Ivan, don't worry, that email is not as important as my others..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: noideawhatsgoing on Fri, 03 January 2014, 23:15:27
Hey Ivan, I might be down for one but I would need an extra 2.25x Shift and a 1x Windows key. Any idea where I might find a matching version of those? Do you or Imsto have these?

For FC660M right? If there is enough user of this board I can see about adding to extras add on pack.

I already put in for a full 105+4 set, but if you did this for the FC660M, I would order an additional full set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 04 January 2014, 16:06:33
So add on pack contents:
6x windowed top row key
windowed stepped and fulltouch caps lock
deepdish 'scoops' home keys
ISO enter
1.25 shift
1.75 shift
extra 2.25 shift for FC660M
4x 1.5 bottom row
2x extra bottom row 1x1
7x spacebar

Is this good? Or is there anything else that you all feel we need? Looking to finalize the add on pack contents so can get final price from GMK for this so can make it orderable.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Michael on Sat, 04 January 2014, 16:14:35
So wait... are the deep dish scoops pbt, or abs?


Is this going to be a mix of pbt and abs? and can you state what is what in the OP?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: tbc on Sat, 04 January 2014, 16:20:14
standard winkey 104 + extra 1 stepped capslock is PBT

this addon pack is GMK ABS
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: raphdu57 on Sat, 04 January 2014, 16:26:22
So add on pack contents:
6x windowed top row key
windowed stepped and fulltouch caps lock
deepdish 'scoops' home keys
ISO enter
1.25 shift
1.75 shift
extra 2.25 shift for FC660M
4x 1.5 bottom row
2x extra bottom row 1x1
7x spacebar

Is this good? Or is there anything else that you all feel we need? Looking to finalize the add on pack contents so can get final price from GMK for this so can make it orderable.
Would love to see 3x extra bottom row 1x1 in total,
This way you could have a hhkb/-like layout with the 1.75 r-shift.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 04 January 2014, 16:54:43
Exactly... it's ANSI 104 PBT set and that is currently all that is available here.
There will be an optional add on for color matching BLANK ABS from GMK to make the ANSI 104 PBT set more adaptable for other keyboards. Most of the keys in the add on pack will be things that are simply not available from the PBT keycap factory. When the ABS add on becomes available I will of course try to make that as clear as possible.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: DarkShot on Sun, 05 January 2014, 11:20:43
I presume that no resellers or anyone like imsto has shown interest in ordering some sets to sell at their stores?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 05 January 2014, 12:57:43
Some vendor interest, but none have fully committed yet. Possibly waiting to see price for add on kit.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: atlas3686 on Mon, 06 January 2014, 00:59:21
So add on pack contents:
6x windowed top row key
windowed stepped and fulltouch caps lock
deepdish 'scoops' home keys
ISO enter
1.25 shift
1.75 shift
extra 2.25 shift for FC660M
4x 1.5 bottom row
2x extra bottom row 1x1
7x spacebar

Is this good? Or is there anything else that you all feel we need? Looking to finalize the add on pack contents so can get final price from GMK for this so can make it orderable.

Any chance on a switch control/caps-lock option?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: wilflare on Mon, 06 January 2014, 11:32:37
I've lurked around long enough!
finally something to replace to fading keycaps on my Filco MJT1 Brown Switch 104Key

so just to confirm this is imsto dyesub Thick PBT dyesub right?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 06 January 2014, 11:33:56
so just to confirm this is imsto dyesub Thick PBT dyesub right?

Yes. Ivan is also working on an extension kit that will be GMK ABS.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: wilflare on Mon, 06 January 2014, 11:38:10
so just to confirm this is imsto dyesub Thick PBT dyesub right?

Yes. Ivan is also working on an extension kit that will be GMK ABS.

if only there's a Thick PBT Doubleshot Black on Black!
ORDERED :D can't wait for these to come!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: j0hnny on Mon, 06 January 2014, 16:08:11
SIGN UP PEOPLE! PLZZZ this needs to happen!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: n7 on Mon, 06 January 2014, 18:40:26
Signed up for a blank set. I am debating getting the black on black too, but I only have one TKL MX keyboard and getting two 104 sets would give me a lot of leftovers.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: CK Briefs on Mon, 06 January 2014, 19:15:47
I ordered one too, but I was contemplating getting a black of black subdyed one. I didn't because I know I prob won't use both; I'd rather have pbt caps in another colour to mix and match.

The sets are fairly cheap as it is, so extra caps don't matter; but rather whether or not you'll even use the caps if they're both extremely similar. I wouldn't, unless it was a backup or a gift for someone.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 06 January 2014, 19:20:13
We have reached the 50% mark to MOQ!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 06 January 2014, 19:23:59
Now we just need a couple ~$7000 investments from vendors. Step up to the plate!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: noons on Mon, 06 January 2014, 20:04:18
Nevermind, answered my question via search :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: wilflare on Mon, 06 January 2014, 20:22:58
really hope this happens..
maybe i should order another blank to go along..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Michael on Mon, 06 January 2014, 20:24:39
We have reached the 50% mark to MOQ!


Have you hit up OTD/KBD/DT?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: noons on Mon, 06 January 2014, 21:48:35
Actually I do have a question.. Seeing how the spacebar is not compatible with leopold, anyone have any idea how it would look with the oem spacebar? I have thin pbt key caps now that I like, but these thick cherry profiles do sound great. I  guess I am just concerned of the height that my spacebar would be vs these cherry height keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: nathaniel_h on Mon, 06 January 2014, 21:57:14
So tempting. I'm very happy with my first set, but to have Black on Black Dyesubs... this is what I get for logging into Geekhack again.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 07 January 2014, 17:01:01
Actually I do have a question.. Seeing how the spacebar is not compatible with leopold, anyone have any idea how it would look with the oem spacebar? I have thin pbt key caps now that I like, but these thick cherry profiles do sound great. I  guess I am just concerned of the height that my spacebar would be vs these cherry height keys.
I am using similar keys from GMK with the original spacebar from my FC660M. It matches up pretty well, maybe even too good. the space between the spacebar and the Alt is very narrow as the walls are pretty steep.
It might differ with yours though. And as for aesthetics, depends...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: acidtrip69 on Tue, 07 January 2014, 17:27:36
co can i still get in on a dark side order ? It looks so sweet. are they going to be thick ptb ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 07 January 2014, 17:29:41

co can i still get in on a dark side order ? It looks so sweet. are they going to be thick ptb ?

Yes, you can. And yes, they will be.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bladegesnow on Tue, 07 January 2014, 18:31:10
Just send a new form to replace the previous one. Order a black on black instead of blank!
Make this happen guys!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: wilflare on Tue, 07 January 2014, 21:01:13
really hoping this happens man!
gonna match this with the O-Ring mod on my Filco MJT1 Brown
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: damorgue on Wed, 08 January 2014, 00:32:44
So add on pack contents:
6x windowed top row key
windowed stepped and fulltouch caps lock
deepdish 'scoops' home keys
ISO enter
1.25 shift
1.75 shift
extra 2.25 shift for FC660M
4x 1.5 bottom row
2x extra bottom row 1x1
7x spacebar

Is this good? Or is there anything else that you all feel we need? Looking to finalize the add on pack contents so can get final price from GMK for this so can make it orderable.

Exactly... it's ANSI 104 PBT set and that is currently all that is available here.
There will be an optional add on for color matching BLANK ABS from GMK to make the ANSI 104 PBT set more adaptable for other keyboards. Most of the keys in the add on pack will be things that are simply not available from the PBT keycap factory. When the ABS add on becomes available I will of course try to make that as clear as possible.

So all the keys in the addon-pack will be in ABS? Do they have any colour/texture samples to compare the ABS and PBT?

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: acidtrip69 on Wed, 08 January 2014, 01:41:11
i have a question who is making there keys ? also i think a black key set with silver dye subed lettering would look badass ^_^
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: tbc on Wed, 08 January 2014, 01:51:57
i have a question who is making there keys ? also i think a black key set with silver dye subed lettering would look badass ^_^

^you win CES2014
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: asura on Wed, 08 January 2014, 04:58:16
i have a question who is making there keys ? also i think a black key set with silver dye subed lettering would look badass ^_^

The main set will be from a factory in China(?) via Imsto and the add-ons from GMK in Germany as the Chinese(?) manufacturer doesn't have the moulds for all the keys desired.

And... impossible - dye sublimation only works with a darker colour than the keycap material.  You could etch and in-fill, but "silver" plastics generally don't look like silver, just a sort of pale grey.  A "silver" cold enamel (that's an epoxy polymer based paint) would probably give you the best silver colour, they're usually chromium particles suspended in a pale grey.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: acidtrip69 on Wed, 08 January 2014, 14:29:11
i have a question who is making there keys ? also i think a black key set with silver dye subed lettering would look badass ^_^

The main set will be from a factory in China(?) via Imsto and the add-ons from GMK in Germany as the Chinese(?) manufacturer doesn't have the moulds for all the keys desired.

And... impossible - dye sublimation only works with a darker colour than the keycap material.  You could etch and in-fill, but "silver" plastics generally don't look like silver, just a sort of pale grey.  A "silver" cold enamel (that's an epoxy polymer based paint) would probably give you the best silver colour, they're usually chromium particles suspended in a pale grey.
Thanks for the info. ^_^ but i do think that key set would look nice like that
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 08 January 2014, 15:04:11
Due to add on pack coming from different source, and made from different plastic than the full base set... I was planning on wait to receive the PBT, then match as best as possible that with GMK. It would make a small delay, but I think it would ensure the best result with the smallest possible color variance instead of going on color blindly.

So, now just waiting on quote for the ISO/1.5/etc add on pack... and EDox add on from GMK. I sent email for it again today so hopefully I will hear something back soon.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: noideawhatsgoing on Wed, 08 January 2014, 23:25:35
Due to add on pack coming from different source, and made from different plastic than the full base set... I was planning on wait to receive the PBT, then match as best as possible that with GMK. It would make a small delay, but I think it would ensure the best result with the smallest possible color variance instead of going on color blindly.

So, now just waiting on quote for the ISO/1.5/etc add on pack... and EDox add on from GMK. I sent email for it again today so hopefully I will hear something back soon.

That's awesome, thank you so much for all the work you are putting in.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: phoenixl1ght on Thu, 09 January 2014, 00:33:48
Are they all cherry profile? I wanted OEM profile for the black blanks. I like the height :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: yakitysax on Thu, 09 January 2014, 03:08:37
Due to add on pack coming from different source, and made from different plastic than the full base set... I was planning on wait to receive the PBT, then match as best as possible that with GMK. It would make a small delay, but I think it would ensure the best result with the smallest possible color variance instead of going on color blindly.

So, now just waiting on quote for the ISO/1.5/etc add on pack... and EDox add on from GMK. I sent email for it again today so hopefully I will hear something back soon.
I can't wait, thanks for putting together the group buy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: geogga on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:54:05
We hit 200!!!
Now we gotta try to get 300...if so may then will the factory choose to make the caps if deemed worthy
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 09 January 2014, 11:04:12
Are they all cherry profile? I wanted OEM profile for the black blanks. I like the height :)

Yes, all of the keys from this group buy will be Cherry profile.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 09 January 2014, 11:09:01
I really hope this works out. I don't want those keys, I need those keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Thu, 09 January 2014, 11:42:37
Due to add on pack coming from different source, and made from different plastic than the full base set... I was planning on wait to receive the PBT, then match as best as possible that with GMK. It would make a small delay, but I think it would ensure the best result with the smallest possible color variance instead of going on color blindly.

So, now just waiting on quote for the ISO/1.5/etc add on pack... and EDox add on from GMK. I sent email for it again today so hopefully I will hear something back soon.

I want to echo everyones else statement and just say that you are a hero for organizing this. Im sure it is nothing if not tedious and frustrating most of the time.

Regarding the delay you mentioned, Would this delay be for all participants of the group buy or only the people who purchase the add-on pack?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: epzy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 12:08:14
I would buy two sets, but i'm scared I wont like Cherry profile... Not sure how big of a difference it truly makes. :/
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 09 January 2014, 12:44:03
All my groupbuy is Cherry profile, the only profile that matters!

Those that order only PBT 104 set would not be affected by GMK add on delay.

Today I also find out, there is chance we can make this with Plum factory instead. Plum factory also have 1.5, 1.75 sizes and windowed keycap in PBT. Just waiting to find out how their pricing and MOQ is like versus current.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 09 January 2014, 14:46:12
All my groupbuy is Cherry profile, the only profile that matters!

Those that order only PBT 104 set would not be affected by GMK add on delay.

Today I also find out, there is chance we can make this with Plum factory instead. Plum factory also have 1.5, 1.75 sizes and windowed keycap in PBT. Just waiting to find out how their pricing and MOQ is like versus current.

Interesting!

Do we know anything about the quality of their keycaps (texture, thickness, etc.)?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: phillyd on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:06:51
Is this GB still open for orders?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:26:33
Orders close 1/15, so yes.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:26:46
Yes groupbuy is open for order, please use form link in the first post.

Plum factory make Cherry profile keys that is on Plum 96, Neo Zelia, Choc mini... I haven't had any of those, but from what I have seen they appear to be quite similar.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:27:30
Yo Ivan, nice 7k posts
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:34:47
Yes groupbuy is open for order, please use form link in the first post.

Plum factory make Cherry profile keys that is on Plum 96, Neo Zelia, Choc mini... I haven't had any of those, but from what I have seen they appear to be quite similar.

The PBT Caps on my Noppoo Choc Mini 2013 are actually pretty nice and thick. I'd be very happy with these in black :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: phillyd on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:43:24
EDIT: I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:57:09
Hey Ivan, I redid my order by going to the original editable page and resubmistted it. Are my two sets showing up? I wanted to make sure I did it right and thank in advance :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 09 January 2014, 19:34:45
Jocelyn, I show blank and US set for your order so I guess it's all good.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Sai on Thu, 09 January 2014, 19:38:29
Ivan, will the legends be as dark as the realforce/hhkb black set ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 09 January 2014, 19:49:21
Yes, the idea is for these set to be basically a near replica of black/black Topre sets but for Cherry.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Sai on Thu, 09 January 2014, 20:08:05
hmm. then please help me change my order to blank. i cant really see the legends on my hhkb set. >.>
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 09 January 2014, 20:34:53
OK, you're all set it's blank now.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: noideawhatsgoing on Thu, 09 January 2014, 23:19:48
I ordered a blank set, so I now have two different orders.  If you could add those two together so I don't have to pay shipping 2x that'd be awesome.  Thanks again for all the work you are putting in.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: tbc on Fri, 10 January 2014, 02:18:16
you only have one active order.  your second order overwrote the first one unless you used different email etc.

you would want to make a completely new order ordering 2 sets
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: noideawhatsgoing on Fri, 10 January 2014, 09:33:12
you only have one active order.  your second order overwrote the first one unless you used different email etc.

you would want to make a completely new order ordering 2 sets

Do you have access to the spreadsheet or is this just an educated guess given past knowledge?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Fri, 10 January 2014, 09:50:11
you only have one active order.  your second order overwrote the first one unless you used different email etc.

you would want to make a completely new order ordering 2 sets

Do you have access to the spreadsheet or is this just an educated guess given past knowledge?

Ivan explained earlier in the thread that new orders overwrite old orders. If you placed Order A for one blank set and then later placed Order B for a printed set, the only active order for your name is Order B for the printed set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 10 January 2014, 09:51:46
you only have one active order.  your second order overwrote the first one unless you used different email etc.

you would want to make a completely new order ordering 2 sets

Do you have access to the spreadsheet or is this just an educated guess given past knowledge?

It's more of a common knowledge thing about how it's worked in the past. Not an educated guess :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: MsYutai on Fri, 10 January 2014, 11:24:05
I ordered but haven't gotten an invoice yet!
I am definitely interested in these keys, they are going to look awesome combined with the black/beige thick PBT set I already have <3
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: noideawhatsgoing on Fri, 10 January 2014, 12:29:11
you only have one active order.  your second order overwrote the first one unless you used different email etc.

you would want to make a completely new order ordering 2 sets

Do you have access to the spreadsheet or is this just an educated guess given past knowledge?

Ivan explained earlier in the thread that new orders overwrite old orders. If you placed Order A for one blank set and then later placed Order B for a printed set, the only active order for your name is Order B for the printed set.

you only have one active order.  your second order overwrote the first one unless you used different email etc.

you would want to make a completely new order ordering 2 sets

Do you have access to the spreadsheet or is this just an educated guess given past knowledge?

It's more of a common knowledge thing about how it's worked in the past. Not an educated guess :)

Awesome, thanks for letting me know.  So, I placed a 3rd order, this time including both sets.  Thanks guys!  :cool:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 10 January 2014, 13:29:30
I ordered but haven't gotten an invoice yet!
I am definitely interested in these keys, they are going to look awesome combined with the black/beige thick PBT set I already have <3

Nobody was invoiced yet. It's not even sure this GB succeeds, so just be patient and hope that many more people join so we can reach MOQ :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 January 2014, 13:56:01
Right, I never invoice until the groupbuy is final and ordering is closed. It's simply a huge waste of time to make invoice only to have to issue refund if it couldn't happen.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Blusey on Fri, 10 January 2014, 16:23:28
Any deadlines for this? Sucks its only half full :/
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 January 2014, 16:35:18
I'm still waiting to find out pricing and MOQ info for Plum, and pricing info from GMK add on. I will revise deadline once I have this information.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: nickatnite on Fri, 10 January 2014, 23:53:57
I'm in for a set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: noons on Mon, 13 January 2014, 18:45:30
IT KILLLS me not to get on this set as I have been wanting to try both thick pbt and cherry profile, but no leopold support means a non matching spacebar for me which kills it for me. Leopold why have you forsaken me!  :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: ynrozturk on Mon, 13 January 2014, 19:11:01
IT KILLLS me not to get on this set as I have been wanting to try both thick pbt and cherry profile, but no leopold support means a non matching spacebar for me which kills it for me. Leopold why have you forsaken me!  :p

Buy a set anyway, keep it for future boards.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: itsaferbie on Mon, 13 January 2014, 21:01:15
Just put in my order for some blanks, since I have been looking all over for some nice blank PBT keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: wilflare on Mon, 13 January 2014, 21:05:18
really hope this works out man. i would be sorely disappointed if it doesn't :/
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 13 January 2014, 21:13:59
really hope this works out man. i would be sorely disappointed if it doesn't :/

Agreed, I'm going to have to finally buy something Topre if this doesn't work out lol
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 14 January 2014, 08:39:00
In for a black-on-black. Wish I could include a Darkside as well but all I really want from it are those AWESOME winkeys  :-X
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Tue, 14 January 2014, 08:47:40
IT KILLLS me not to get on this set as I have been wanting to try both thick pbt and cherry profile, but no leopold support means a non matching spacebar for me which kills it for me. Leopold why have you forsaken me!  :p

Buy a set anyway, keep it for future boards.

Better yet - sell the Leopold and buy something that's not a pain to get sets for!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Tue, 14 January 2014, 09:22:17
IT KILLLS me not to get on this set as I have been wanting to try both thick pbt and cherry profile, but no leopold support means a non matching spacebar for me which kills it for me. Leopold why have you forsaken me!  :p

Buy a set anyway, keep it for future boards.

Better yet - sell the Leopold and buy something that's not a pain to get sets for!

When I was deciding on my first mech purchase, I was truly torn between the Filco and the Leopold. After reading about the goofy keycaps on the Leopold, it cemented my decision to get the Filco and I couldn't be happier. I think I would have to actively work at finding a set of caps that DONT fit the Filco.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Candyflip on Tue, 14 January 2014, 09:40:30
IT KILLLS me not to get on this set as I have been wanting to try both thick pbt and cherry profile, but no leopold support means a non matching spacebar for me which kills it for me. Leopold why have you forsaken me!  :p

Buy a set anyway, keep it for future boards.

Better yet - sell the Leopold and buy something that's not a pain to get sets for!

When I was deciding on my first mech purchase, I was truly torn between the Filco and the Leopold. After reading about the goofy keycaps on the Leopold, it cemented my decision to get the Filco and I couldn't be happier. I think I would have to actively work at finding a set of caps that DONT fit the Filco.
This is always what I say to people when between Filco or Leopold, sooner or later YOU WILL want to change some caps.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Tue, 14 January 2014, 10:00:53
IT KILLLS me not to get on this set as I have been wanting to try both thick pbt and cherry profile, but no leopold support means a non matching spacebar for me which kills it for me. Leopold why have you forsaken me!  :p

Buy a set anyway, keep it for future boards.

Better yet - sell the Leopold and buy something that's not a pain to get sets for!

When I was deciding on my first mech purchase, I was truly torn between the Filco and the Leopold. After reading about the goofy keycaps on the Leopold, it cemented my decision to get the Filco and I couldn't be happier. I think I would have to actively work at finding a set of caps that DONT fit the Filco.
This is always what I say to people when between Filco or Leopold, sooner or later YOU WILL want to change some caps.

It's why I sold my Quickfire TK, I could get along with the layout but the space-bar sizing was a dealbreaker.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 14 January 2014, 13:32:08
At least the Leopold has a standard spacebar footprint. You could always take it apart and have the plate cut to fix it with a normal 6.25 spacing on the platemount Cherry stabilizer. Shouldn't cost too much at anywhere that can lasercut or similar on steel... or you could do it oldschool with a drill and some hand needle files...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Candyflip on Tue, 14 January 2014, 13:35:49
Will you extend the order period or this is a dead end GB?  :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Dreamre on Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:24:55
Just made an order for the dye-subs!

Hopefully this order goes through :D.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 14 January 2014, 22:18:09
Will you extend the order period or this is a dead end GB?  :(

^^ I think (hope) he just hasn't updated the deadline in the OP yet. Please let us know, Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: geogga on Tue, 14 January 2014, 22:31:33
Ivan if this hits 300 by mid February will we have a chance?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: CK Briefs on Tue, 14 January 2014, 22:49:06
Believe, guys!
At this rate, maybe March we'll hit moq; not even including possible vendors (:

Gogogo
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Candyflip on Wed, 15 January 2014, 06:26:53
Believe, guys!
At this rate, maybe March we'll hit moq; not even including possible vendors (:

Gogogo
Yes statistically you are right but consider March is not right around the corner, there are people who ordered in November and may not like to still be part of the GB in March...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Ound on Wed, 15 January 2014, 08:30:46
Recently got Filco MJ2 Ninja Tenkeyless ( with MX Brown ) and I placed an order for a blank set ( maybe I should get 2... ? ), I am excited! I really do hope this gets through.
Also first post.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 15 January 2014, 08:32:18
Recently got Filco MJ2 Ninja Tenkeyless ( with MX Brown ) and I placed an order for a blank set ( maybe I should get 2... ? ), I am excited! I really do hope this gets through.
Also first post.  :thumb:

Welcome to Geekhack!

You'll fit right in if you make your first purchase even before your first post! That's the right attitude here :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 15 January 2014, 13:36:35
Don't worry it's still going. I mentioned before that I am looking into some other source options for a basically identical product. While I am still waiting on all the final details Plum may let us have a lower MOQ and be cheaper. Additionally, they offer 1.5 mods, 1.75 shifts, windowed keys... all in PBT. I'm not sure about ISO enter or 7x spacebar yet... so at any rate we can get more identical PBT keys from a single source instead of having to match with ABS.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Wed, 15 January 2014, 13:49:25
Don't worry it's still going. I mentioned before that I am looking into some other source options for a basically identical product. While I am still waiting on all the final details Plum may let us have a lower MOQ and be cheaper. Additionally, they offer 1.5 mods, 1.75 shifts, windowed keys... all in PBT. I'm not sure about ISO enter or 7x spacebar yet... so at any rate we can get more identical PBT keys from a single source instead of having to match with ABS.

Sounds great, as a 1.75 shift user it would be awesome to have PBT!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Linkbane on Wed, 15 January 2014, 13:50:32
Just wondering, is the Dvorak set still available?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 15 January 2014, 15:26:45
I never added that... there were so few order for it last time I offered dvorak and I have not noticed more than couple request for it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: nickatnite on Wed, 15 January 2014, 15:57:02
I would order a second set if side prints was an option.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Linkbane on Wed, 15 January 2014, 16:10:39
I never added that... there were so few order for it last time I offered dvorak and I have not noticed more than couple request for it.

Ah, alright. Thanks, Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 15 January 2014, 16:41:21
Don't worry it's still going. I mentioned before that I am looking into some other source options for a basically identical product. While I am still waiting on all the final details Plum may let us have a lower MOQ and be cheaper. Additionally, they offer 1.5 mods, 1.75 shifts, windowed keys... all in PBT. I'm not sure about ISO enter or 7x spacebar yet... so at any rate we can get more identical PBT keys from a single source instead of having to match with ABS.

Ahh, very good to know. I canceled my order, but if we're going to get PBT ISO pieces...I may just have to opt back in.
These look great--I'd hate to see this GB go under. 400 sets is a lot, though...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: epzy on Wed, 15 January 2014, 16:48:49
Don't worry it's still going. I mentioned before that I am looking into some other source options for a basically identical product. While I am still waiting on all the final details Plum may let us have a lower MOQ and be cheaper. Additionally, they offer 1.5 mods, 1.75 shifts, windowed keys... all in PBT. I'm not sure about ISO enter or 7x spacebar yet... so at any rate we can get more identical PBT keys from a single source instead of having to match with ABS.

Ahh, very good to know. I canceled my order, but if we're going to get PBT ISO pieces...I may just have to opt back in.
These look great--I'd hate to see this GB go under. 400 sets is a lot, though...

Don't you prefer ANSI?  :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 15 January 2014, 16:51:17
Don't worry it's still going. I mentioned before that I am looking into some other source options for a basically identical product. While I am still waiting on all the final details Plum may let us have a lower MOQ and be cheaper. Additionally, they offer 1.5 mods, 1.75 shifts, windowed keys... all in PBT. I'm not sure about ISO enter or 7x spacebar yet... so at any rate we can get more identical PBT keys from a single source instead of having to match with ABS.

Ahh, very good to know. I canceled my order, but if we're going to get PBT ISO pieces...I may just have to opt back in.
These look great--I'd hate to see this GB go under. 400 sets is a lot, though...

Don't you prefer ANSI?  :p

I do, honestly, but I was low on cash, and an ISO board was available and inexpensive. It feels amazing, and the shift/enter placement doesn't really bother me, so I'd really love some good caps for it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 15 January 2014, 19:25:23
Don't worry it's still going. I mentioned before that I am looking into some other source options for a basically identical product. While I am still waiting on all the final details Plum may let us have a lower MOQ and be cheaper. Additionally, they offer 1.5 mods, 1.75 shifts, windowed keys... all in PBT. I'm not sure about ISO enter or 7x spacebar yet... so at any rate we can get more identical PBT keys from a single source instead of having to match with ABS.

This sounds promising.

I was concerned about this GB going on too long. If it goes long enough, some people who joined in the beginning will forget they joined this then neglect paying the invoice because they moved on to another GB.

I'm still concerned that if we meet 300 a month or so from now, the first 50ish people will change their mind because of the time that passed. Know what i mean.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 15 January 2014, 21:18:05
Don't worry it's still going. I mentioned before that I am looking into some other source options for a basically identical product. While I am still waiting on all the final details Plum may let us have a lower MOQ and be cheaper. Additionally, they offer 1.5 mods, 1.75 shifts, windowed keys... all in PBT. I'm not sure about ISO enter or 7x spacebar yet... so at any rate we can get more identical PBT keys from a single source instead of having to match with ABS.

This sounds promising.

I was concerned about this GB going on too long. If it goes long enough, some people who joined in the beginning will forget they joined this then neglect paying the invoice because they moved on to another GB.

I'm still concerned that if we meet 300 a month or so from now, the first 50ish people will change their mind because of the time that passed. Know what i mean.

That's definitely a legitimate concern, but I doubt that many would back out--I'd estimate five or ten. Fifty people is a lot. Then again, I'm not that experienced with GBs, so you may know better than I do.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: wilflare on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:24:24
I would be interested in a side print set (:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: geogga on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:34:52
Believe, guys!
At this rate, maybe March we'll hit moq; not even including possible vendors (:

Gogogo
Yes statistically you are right but consider March is not right around the corner, there are people who ordered in November and may not like to still be part of the GB in March...

Ehh seeing how hard it is to get PBT blank sets in many countries/online,  a lot of people do not want to miss out on this.

Plum seems like a better choice, I hope you and they make a nice deal!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Galactic on Thu, 16 January 2014, 05:25:33
Just signed up for a blank set, hopefully we reach MOQ on this!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:19:20
I'm working to get sideprinting as an option.
Certainly drop outs is a concern when a buy runs for very long... but there is no real alternative to this available elsewhere so it's a bit different situation than usual.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: epzy on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:26:20
Oooo, side-printed would be awesome.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:37:47
Oooo, side-printed would be awesome.

Going to make decision making very tough... which to choose, which to choose...

Really hoping for this! These keys would go well with so many boards and other keys.

For someone who's not familiar with "Plum", how does the quality of the keys change if going through them? Are they a manufacturer or other intermediary?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:44:40
I'm working to get sideprinting as an option.
Certainly drop outs is a concern when a buy runs for very long... but there is no real alternative to this available elsewhere so it's a bit different situation than usual.

I have never seen a side-printed set in Cherry Profile before. Does such a thing even exist?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:45:00
Side printing would be so fab I can't even describe it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:47:00
Side printed cherry profile would be downright amazing. I would be on a set of those like white on rice in a snow storm  :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: phoenix1234 on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:47:51
I'm working to get sideprinting as an option.
Certainly drop outs is a concern when a buy runs for very long... but there is no real alternative to this available elsewhere so it's a bit different situation than usual.

I have never seen a side-printed set in Cherry Profile before. Does such a thing even exist?

Yes, it does, I had one set Imsto PBT Cherry Profile, side printed
(http://i.imgur.com/x3XIggh.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Candyflip on Thu, 16 January 2014, 10:48:03
I might change my order from blanks to side printed.
I red somewhere people reporting problems with thick PBT with Costar stabilizers, if this is the case how can we prevent/fix it?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:01:28
Only sideprint laser set exist in Cherry profile before... not have been done with dyesubs yet. It wasn't offered before because dyesub factory had some QC issue with side deform under the high heat... but I think they have made refinement so may be willing to do it now.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: phoenix1234 on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:10:04
Only sideprint laser set exist in Cherry profile before... not have been done with dyesubs yet. It wasn't offered before because dyesub factory had some QC issue with side deform under the high heat... but I think they have made refinement so may be willing to do it now.
It's really a good news, beyond my expectation.
I just thought when you mention side printing, it is just laser-etched as what imsto did, but now it can be even dyesub.
Really great news for me.
Thank you for updating . :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: MsYutai on Thu, 16 January 2014, 14:08:00
I might change my order from blanks to side printed.
I red somewhere people reporting problems with thick PBT with Costar stabilizers, if this is the case how can we prevent/fix it?

I have the Imsto Thick PBT caps on my Costar stabilizers now but not having any problems... What problems are you talking about?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Dreamre on Thu, 16 January 2014, 14:37:18
Oooo...if there's side print...I may need to buy another set :o...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Candyflip on Thu, 16 January 2014, 14:42:40
I might change my order from blanks to side printed.
I red somewhere people reporting problems with thick PBT with Costar stabilizers, if this is the case how can we prevent/fix it?

I have the Imsto Thick PBT caps on my Costar stabilizers now but not having any problems... What problems are you talking about?
I am not sure where but I heard that they feel scratchy, maybe it is just wrong I don't know either way I ordered a set :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 16 January 2014, 17:53:17
I check back now and then, still waiting to throw money at this when it goes into production.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: KaLam1ty on Thu, 16 January 2014, 18:57:50
I have yet to experience Cherry profile and everyone seems to say they're better than OEM.

Sure, they look a lot nicer, but do any of you guys find that they have a better typing experience?
Also, since they are lower in profile, will O-rings not work with them? Do the stems sink in lower in the switches? Or are they as long as OEM?
Lastly, will there be any Modifier-Only sets? I would like to get the letter keyset, but most of my modifier layouts have been changed (i.e. CapsLock -> Backspace)
and would like to keep my keyboard consistent with my own typing experience by keeping them blank.

I'm tempted to pick up a set, but I want to know a little more about the set before I commit.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 16 January 2014, 19:04:51
Better typing experience IMO.

The cross supports under the cherry cap are generally the same distance to the top of the mx housing as oem.

I don't think the stem lengths are too different. Their might be a marginal difference.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 17 January 2014, 00:43:59
I have yet to experience Cherry profile and everyone seems to say they're better than OEM.

Sure, they look a lot nicer, but do any of you guys find that they have a better typing experience?
Also, since they are lower in profile, will O-rings not work with them? Do the stems sink in lower in the switches? Or are they as long as OEM?
Lastly, will there be any Modifier-Only sets? I would like to get the letter keyset, but most of my modifier layouts have been changed (i.e. CapsLock -> Backspace)
and would like to keep my keyboard consistent with my own typing experience by keeping them blank.

I'm tempted to pick up a set, but I want to know a little more about the set before I commit.

1. The typing experiene is way better in my opinion, but that is personal preference of course. I never had problems with OEM height until I tried Cherry profile. Now it feels really awkward to type on higher keys.

2. Certain O-Rings will work. IMSTO offers smaller O-Rings for Cherry profile and bigger O-Rings for OEM profile.

3. There won't be any Modifier sets. It's only the full set or nothing. Of course you can order a full set and sell the Alphas in the classifieds later.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: atlas3686 on Fri, 17 January 2014, 01:35:58
Side printed black on black dyesubs would be something out of the ordinary! Might have to change my order if that happens. Any word on an option to get extra ctrl & caps lock so they can be switched like Realforce boards?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 17 January 2014, 14:06:57
The only way you can get some alternate layout is if you want to meet the minimum 20set tier. If you can do that I will do the set up to print any layout in any font you would like.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: carlo on Sat, 18 January 2014, 09:02:14
I'm in for dvorak layout (18 to go)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 18 January 2014, 11:05:28
I'm for HHKB layout,
I'd buy 3 sets :3
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 18 January 2014, 11:11:41
Btw, how about asking vendors like EliteKeyboards, MechKeyboards, WASD Keyboards, etc. to join?
People were always asking em for thick PBT caps, and if one or two join we would probably hit the MOQ!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 18 January 2014, 11:16:59
I might change my order from blanks to side printed.
I red somewhere people reporting problems with thick PBT with Costar stabilizers, if this is the case how can we prevent/fix it?

I have the Imsto Thick PBT caps on my Costar stabilizers now but not having any problems... What problems are you talking about?

Some people reported the wire of the stabs would grind on the inside of the cap when you press the key.
Perhaps the combo of thick PBT caps in Cherry profile + new (LED friendly) style Costar stabs...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Sat, 18 January 2014, 13:52:31
I might change my order from blanks to side printed.
I red somewhere people reporting problems with thick PBT with Costar stabilizers, if this is the case how can we prevent/fix it?

I have the Imsto Thick PBT caps on my Costar stabilizers now but not having any problems... What problems are you talking about?

Some people reported the wire of the stabs would grind on the inside of the cap when you press the key.
Perhaps the combo of thick PBT caps in Cherry profile + new (LED friendly) style Costar stabs...

From what I've read the grinding/hanging issue is pretty hit or miss and only affects costar stabs. Some people don't have any issues and others claim the afflicted keys border on unusable. The fix is usually to lightly sand down the inside wall of the keycap that rubs on the stabilizer.

This post has some good info and even some pictures to illustrate this - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=26454#msg497261 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=26454#msg497261)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 18 January 2014, 13:56:12
I've made vendors aware some time ago. There are a few interested but they have not made a 100% commitment yet. Once I find out about pricing and such from Plum and pricing for alternate add on option with GMK ABS I can probably get them to finalize.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: mooswa on Sat, 18 January 2014, 16:02:40
The only way you can get some alternate layout is if you want to meet the minimum 20set tier. If you can do that I will do the set up to print any layout in any font you would like.

Are you saying that for example if out of the folks already in on the black on black set, 20 would ask you to have Control instead of Caps Lock you would add this as an option? Sorry if am being dense.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 18 January 2014, 17:52:07
This offer is more geared towards a reseller. Basically it's an incentive so they can have some 'unique' set to avoid competition with other reseller selling 100% identical set otherwise. It's just something to give a differentiation. Say for example they could get some sets made with US/KO layout and use Gulim typeface. While another reseller could have sets in some edgier font like Knarf Art.

However if a group of people want to pool together to have something specific made I won't stop you of course.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 18 January 2014, 18:12:35
I might change my order from blanks to side printed.
I red somewhere people reporting problems with thick PBT with Costar stabilizers, if this is the case how can we prevent/fix it?

I have the Imsto Thick PBT caps on my Costar stabilizers now but not having any problems... What problems are you talking about?

Some people reported the wire of the stabs would grind on the inside of the cap when you press the key.
Perhaps the combo of thick PBT caps in Cherry profile + new (LED friendly) style Costar stabs...

From what I've read the grinding/hanging issue is pretty hit or miss and only affects costar stabs. Some people don't have any issues and others claim the afflicted keys border on unusable. The fix is usually to lightly sand down the inside wall of the keycap that rubs on the stabilizer.

This post has some good info and even some pictures to illustrate this - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=26454#msg497261 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=26454#msg497261)

I had a set of Imsto thick PBT that would get stuck when I bottomed out the enter and shift keys. But after about 2 days of good use they were broken in and stopped sticking.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: reziak on Sat, 18 January 2014, 22:20:34
Is there a deadline for this buy? Or does it just go when the MOQ is met? Sorry if this answered somewhere already.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: WinterIsle on Sun, 19 January 2014, 01:22:18
Is there a deadline for this buy? Or does it just go when the MOQ is met? Sorry if this answered somewhere already.
No deadline yet, this gb only need to met the MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: reziak on Mon, 20 January 2014, 11:25:45
Is there a deadline for this buy? Or does it just go when the MOQ is met? Sorry if this answered somewhere already.
No deadline yet, this gb only need to met the MOQ.

Cool, thanks :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: geogga on Mon, 20 January 2014, 20:27:32
Tis a shame it hasn't hit MOQ already; I see tons of people asking for blank PBT sets all the time and not taking this opportunity is gonna hurt people in the long run..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 20 January 2014, 21:24:14
indeed. I hope we reach MOQ soon!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 21 January 2014, 12:29:18
Some good news, some bad news... in regard to PLUM their MOQ is 100 sets lower which is the good news. The bad news is imsto says there is some problem with 1.5 mods and 1.75 shifts so they won't make those available to us at this time. So I will go with the original idea to offer blank ABS adapter kit from GMK. GMK promised to have the quote for that and the EDOX kit to me in a few more days so I should be able to get all options finalized and update accordingly by end of week.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 21 January 2014, 12:43:28

Some good news, some bad news... in regard to PLUM their MOQ is 100 sets lower which is the good news. The bad news is imsto says there is some problem with 1.5 mods and 1.75 shifts so they won't make those available to us at this time. So I will go with the original idea to offer blank ABS adapter kit from GMK. GMK promised to have the quote for that and the EDOX kit to me in a few more days so I should be able to get all options finalized and update accordingly by end of week.

Is the issue with 1.5 mods and 1.75 shifts an issue at Plum factory? Or at imsto's factory? Or are we still working with imsto to go through plum? I am confuse.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Tue, 21 January 2014, 12:49:50

Some good news, some bad news... in regard to PLUM their MOQ is 100 sets lower which is the good news. The bad news is imsto says there is some problem with 1.5 mods and 1.75 shifts so they won't make those available to us at this time. So I will go with the original idea to offer blank ABS adapter kit from GMK. GMK promised to have the quote for that and the EDOX kit to me in a few more days so I should be able to get all options finalized and update accordingly by end of week.

Is the issue with 1.5 mods and 1.75 shifts an issue at Plum factory? Or at imsto's factory? Or are we still working with imsto to go through plum? I am confuse.

I don't think Plum offers those sizes, if Imsto can't offer them then we're SOL. GMK blanks aren't the worst thing in the world though!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 21 January 2014, 13:00:25
I'll take GMK blanks. Honestly my problem is owning keyboards with dumb layouts.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Tue, 21 January 2014, 13:09:47
Some good news, some bad news... in regard to PLUM their MOQ is 100 sets lower which is the good news. The bad news is imsto says there is some problem with 1.5 mods and 1.75 shifts so they won't make those available to us at this time. So I will go with the original idea to offer blank ABS adapter kit from GMK. GMK promised to have the quote for that and the EDOX kit to me in a few more days so I should be able to get all options finalized and update accordingly by end of week.

Forgive my ignorance, but can you give us some more info about the issue with the 1.5 and 1.75 keys? From what I understand that means we would have three GMK ABS keys and the rest PBT? Personally I would much rather have a higher MOQ if it meant we would have a full PBT set rather than a mixed PBT/ABS set. I use tab and backslash non-stop and for those keys to be ABS would be very close to being a deal-breaker for me.

Edit - Is this graphic correct for which keys would be ABS? http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/media/keycap_layout.jpg (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/media/keycap_layout.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 21 January 2014, 13:39:46
I think the pbt is going to be the standard layout in the OP pictures. But, ABS keys are going to be added to support the other modifiers and the iso kit.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Tue, 21 January 2014, 13:42:43
Some good news, some bad news... in regard to PLUM their MOQ is 100 sets lower which is the good news. The bad news is imsto says there is some problem with 1.5 mods and 1.75 shifts so they won't make those available to us at this time. So I will go with the original idea to offer blank ABS adapter kit from GMK. GMK promised to have the quote for that and the EDOX kit to me in a few more days so I should be able to get all options finalized and update accordingly by end of week.

Forgive my ignorance, but can you give us some more info about the issue with the 1.5 and 1.75 keys? From what I understand that means we would have three GMK ABS keys and the rest PBT? Personally I would much rather have a higher MOQ if it meant we would have a full PBT set rather than a mixed PBT/ABS set. I use tab and backslash non-stop and for those keys to be ABS would be very close to being a deal-breaker for me.

Edit - Is this graphic correct for which keys would be ABS? http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/media/keycap_layout.jpg (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/media/keycap_layout.jpg)

The keys affected as far as I know are the 1.75 right shift, 1.5 ctrl/alt (not a problem unless you have an old keyboard or Korean custom) and possibly ISO keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 21 January 2014, 14:27:57
OK... sorry for being confusing. I have explained this before but it's spread around the thread in several posts so I will just summarize the situation.
Originally we were going to have them made with KBC Cherry thicks like my previous PBT groupbuys, and the OP still reflects that. Then I found out it was possible to get PBTs from another source, PLUM. Plum makes their own keycaps, and uses Cherry thick on the Neo Zelia, and Plum96 models. They also make the Choc mini - which is where the 1.5 and 1.75 would have come from. Unfortunately they won't offer those keys to other customer at this time... I guess the molds are owned by/exclusive for Noppoo or something like this.

Regardless if go with KBC or PLUM... now we have the same key selection, same limitation there... but PLUM has a smaller MOQ which is helpful. The dyesubbing is actually like a 3rd party service with imsto, so it dosen't really matter to them where the keycap is from.
Now where GMK comes in, is neither PBT source can supply us with 1.5 mods, 1.75 shifts, ISO enter, 7x spacebar or nice windowed lock keys. So either we can use a few ABS keys to make the set work for some more keyboards or have nothing... I will let buyer decide by offering a choice. If you want the GMK ABS extras, it will be separate item for extra cost so you can get them if you need/want them.

I hope this explains better what is going on and makes sense to you all.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Tue, 21 January 2014, 14:30:37
How thick are the PBT caps from SP?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 21 January 2014, 14:31:15
I refuse to use SP for any reason. I ****ing HATE DCS.
Title: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 21 January 2014, 14:52:24
Thank you very much for the clear explanation, Ivan  :thumb: . You answered all of my questions.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Linkbane on Tue, 21 January 2014, 15:38:53
I refuse to use SP for any reason. I ****ing HATE DCS.

You preach the truth. I am thankful to find a like-minded individual.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: fuus on Tue, 21 January 2014, 16:34:40
order submitted! Thanks Lysol. I mean, erm, Ivan  :cool:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 21 January 2014, 16:57:10
I refuse to use SP for any reason. I ****ing HATE DCS.

You preach the truth. I am thankful to find a like-minded individual.

I have two dcs sets. After using dsa and gmk, I can't go back to dcs.

I can't get past the thinness and the bottom two rows of the dcs profile.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Tue, 21 January 2014, 17:02:14
The keys affected as far as I know are the 1.75 right shift, 1.5 ctrl/alt (not a problem unless you have an old keyboard or Korean custom) and possibly ISO keys.

Thank you for clarifying that. So for a Filco board it is essentially a non-issue? I could have a complete PBT set?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Linkbane on Tue, 21 January 2014, 20:48:57
I refuse to use SP for any reason. I ****ing HATE DCS.

You preach the truth. I am thankful to find a like-minded individual.

I have two dcs sets. After using dsa and gmk, I can't go back to dcs.

I can't get past the thinness and the bottom two rows of the dcs profile.

Ah, I know what you mean now. I just thought that aesthetically the DCS seemed rather ugly compared to Cherry and OEM profile, could just be me.
How do spherical caps feel? I've always been scared away because they aren't sculptured, but what do you think of them in typing?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: tbc on Tue, 21 January 2014, 23:42:04
The keys affected as far as I know are the 1.75 right shift, 1.5 ctrl/alt (not a problem unless you have an old keyboard or Korean custom) and possibly ISO keys.

Thank you for clarifying that. So for a Filco board it is essentially a non-issue? I could have a complete PBT set?

yes. your filco will 100% pbt.

How do spherical caps feel? I've always been scared away because they aren't sculptured, but what do you think of them in typing?

if you're really precise with your typing (always hitting the center) OR you're so unprecise that you end up hitting the corner/side edges of the top surface anyways (me), DSA won't be a problem if you can hold a iphone 4 nicely (so if you're not a tiny asian girl, you're fine), except possibly the f-row.  people who are 'medium' accurate will find that they hit the edge of the cap since the top is smaller.

you DO feel like the lack of sculpting in the number row and to a lesser degree, the spacebar row.  will that affect typing?  for a 60wpm typer, not an issue (for more than that, i can't say).  also something to note, for some reason, DSA caps FEEL like there is more than 4mm of tracal, making it easier to not bottom out.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Linkbane on Wed, 22 January 2014, 01:41:50
The keys affected as far as I know are the 1.75 right shift, 1.5 ctrl/alt (not a problem unless you have an old keyboard or Korean custom) and possibly ISO keys.

Thank you for clarifying that. So for a Filco board it is essentially a non-issue? I could have a complete PBT set?

yes. your filco will 100% pbt.

How do spherical caps feel? I've always been scared away because they aren't sculptured, but what do you think of them in typing?

if you're really precise with your typing (always hitting the center) OR you're so unprecise that you end up hitting the corner/side edges of the top surface anyways (me), DSA won't be a problem if you can hold a iphone 4 nicely (so if you're not a tiny asian girl, you're fine), except possibly the f-row.  people who are 'medium' accurate will find that they hit the edge of the cap since the top is smaller.

you DO feel like the lack of sculpting in the number row and to a lesser degree, the spacebar row.  will that affect typing?  for a 60wpm typer, not an issue (for more than that, i can't say).  also something to note, for some reason, DSA caps FEEL like there is more than 4mm of tracal, making it easier to not bottom out.

Hmm, I couldn't imagine that lack of sculpting would be that bad, but I imagine that it would be noticeable in a somewhat unpleasant sense. Spherical as you describe it seems quite good, perhaps I'll give it a try in my spare time.

As far as not bottoming out, that's not a problem, haha. Typing without bottoming out on OEM caps isn't too bad, even at 150 wpm+.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: naasfu on Wed, 22 January 2014, 01:51:46
Just a placed an order for black on black.  ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Nithix on Wed, 22 January 2014, 02:05:42
Still haven't placed an order quite yet. Was there any more word on doing a Filco Ninja-Style side print dyesub? If so, how much are we looking at? I really want to place an order for these, but I'm a bit tight on cash and am not sure if I'm good enough a typist for the complete blanks. I can touch type fine outside of some of the lesser used ones like brackets and what not, lol.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 22 January 2014, 07:50:13
If I placed an order using the form already, can I use the form again to add another set to my order?

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 22 January 2014, 07:57:20
If I placed an order using the form already, can I use the form again to add another set to my order?

If you saved the link from your first order you can edit it.

Otherwise you have to place a new order, but keep in mind that you overwrite your first order if you place a second one. So in your case the second order has to contain two separate sets and not just one.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 22 January 2014, 08:22:11
If I placed an order using the form already, can I use the form again to add another set to my order?

If you saved the link from your first order you can edit it.

Otherwise you have to place a new order, but keep in mind that you overwrite your first order if you place a second one. So in your case the second order has to contain two separate sets and not just one.

Great! Thanks for the info :)

I didn't save the old link, so I'll make a new order with both sets.

I really hope this meets MOQ soon.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: ynrozturk on Wed, 22 January 2014, 09:02:50
Me too. The printing on my stock Poker II keys are beginning to fade..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: eujin1994 on Wed, 22 January 2014, 09:15:07
Wish I can have my own layout. But meh, I need at least 20 sets to get them. :(

Question, legends are still black if I'm able to have my own layout?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:03:52
With dyesub you can only have a darker color than the keycap, so on a black set that does limit you to an even darker black for legends. If you want to order 20+ for a specific layout can also have laser option if you would rather to get a lighter legend color. Laser is same price as dyesub.

Still some discussion going on about doing sideprint. It may become an option, just keep an eye on the OP if it appears there. Sideprint dyesub would be same price as rest of printed set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: t2russo on Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:28:50
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TON28f2yGis/UZEyYkISl1I/AAAAAAAALxY/4XLn7JyDpXk/s1600/do-it.gif)

I would be very down with getting one each of a blank, Cherry replica, and side-print makeup.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: mooswa on Wed, 22 January 2014, 12:40:25
And for custom layout, one can do an interest check thread to see if there is enough of existing + new byers.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: nickatnite on Wed, 22 January 2014, 14:19:58
With dyesub you can only have a darker color than the keycap, so on a black set that does limit you to an even darker black for legends. If you want to order 20+ for a specific layout can also have laser option if you would rather to get a lighter legend color. Laser is same price as dyesub.

Still some discussion going on about doing sideprint. It may become an option, just keep an eye on the OP if it appears there. Sideprint dyesub would be same price as rest of printed set.

I just realize it's bad enough seeing legends black on black from the top. Black on black side prints would make it nearly invisible. May as well get blanks.

Classy white or gray prints preferred using any printing method.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Wed, 22 January 2014, 18:29:29
I just realize it's bad enough seeing legends black on black from the top. Black on black side prints would make it nearly invisible. May as well get blanks.

Classy white or gray prints preferred using any printing method.

Thats the appeal of it  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 23 January 2014, 02:57:39
Okay, so reading through here again just to see if I missed anything I discover that the "Pitch BLACK" edition blank black set is not actually going to be black, but dark grey like the Realforce keys...

I will be cancelling my order unless I can get truly black PBT blanks. Was looking forward to trying Cherry profile....

I am very disappointed and I suspect a lot of other people will be, too. Was it to reach MOQ by combining the orders for printed and blank (since you can't do dyesub on true black)?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 23 January 2014, 04:36:57
Okay, so reading through here again just to see if I missed anything I discover that the "Pitch BLACK" edition blank black set is not actually going to be black, but dark grey like the Realforce keys...

I will be cancelling my order unless I can get truly black PBT blanks. Was looking forward to trying Cherry profile....

I am very disappointed and I suspect a lot of other people will be, too. Was it to reach MOQ by combining the orders for printed and blank (since you can't do dyesub on true black)?

Ivan never claimed the set will be truly black. Whoever ordered and is now surprised that these are dark gray keys simply didn't read the OP. This is hardly Ivan's fault. "Pitch Black" is just a catchy name for this set like "Raindrop" or "Red Alert".
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: atlas3686 on Thu, 23 January 2014, 04:40:21
Okay, so reading through here again just to see if I missed anything I discover that the "Pitch BLACK" edition blank black set is not actually going to be black, but dark grey like the Realforce keys...

I will be cancelling my order unless I can get truly black PBT blanks. Was looking forward to trying Cherry profile....

I am very disappointed and I suspect a lot of other people will be, too. Was it to reach MOQ by combining the orders for printed and blank (since you can't do dyesub on true black)?

I think we are probably arguing shades of grey here but the Realforce keys are pretty dark I mean my "black" Filco keys are not noticeably darker than my Topre keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 23 January 2014, 05:00:49
(http://i.imgur.com/wopmqIB.jpg)

That's not black to my eyes.... The OP doesn't mention that these are not pure black. The GB was originally for only blanks and I was expecting them to be like the Ducky blank black PBT (which really are black), but thicker and Cherry profile. I don't think I was out of line to assume this.

I guess the colour was chosen so that Ivan could add dyesubbed sets to the GB to try to get to MOQ. I should have kept an eye on the thread's progress, but I didn't and now have been unpleasantly surprised.

Maybe they just photograph badly, but all the pictures I have seen of the Realforce "black" PBT caps appear grey to me, whereas the Filco (etched) and Ducky (blank) ones look properly black:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5185/5562954692_465ac0f080_b.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: bueller on Thu, 23 January 2014, 05:01:34
Okay, so reading through here again just to see if I missed anything I discover that the "Pitch BLACK" edition blank black set is not actually going to be black, but dark grey like the Realforce keys...

I will be cancelling my order unless I can get truly black PBT blanks. Was looking forward to trying Cherry profile....

I am very disappointed and I suspect a lot of other people will be, too. Was it to reach MOQ by combining the orders for printed and blank (since you can't do dyesub on true black)?

I think we are probably arguing shades of grey here but the Realforce keys are pretty dark I mean my "black" Filco keys are not noticeably darker than my Topre keys.

Yeah only on the Web is black truly black, IRL is always a different story.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Candyflip on Thu, 23 January 2014, 05:01:44
Okay, so reading through here again just to see if I missed anything I discover that the "Pitch BLACK" edition blank black set is not actually going to be black, but dark grey like the Realforce keys...

I will be cancelling my order unless I can get truly black PBT blanks. Was looking forward to trying Cherry profile....

I am very disappointed and I suspect a lot of other people will be, too. Was it to reach MOQ by combining the orders for printed and blank (since you can't do dyesub on true black)?

Ivan never claimed the set will be truly black. Whoever ordered and is now surprised that these are dark gray keys simply didn't read the OP. This is hardly Ivan's fault. "Pitch Black" is just a catchy name for this set like "Raindrop" or "Red Alert".
To be honest I am surprised a little too, I am guessing you didn't read the OP since no where it says it is dark gray. One would assume Pitch Black is just a catchy name for a black set which I thought I am ordering. I can't say if the mock up is the real color or the set would be lighter shade or darker but If I wanted dark grey I would rather participate in the GMK group buy than a random factory produced PBT caps.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 23 January 2014, 05:24:31
Even EK calls it "Dark gray": http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se19e0

And from the Deskthority Wiki page on Realforce: "Topre’s black keycaps are not completely black"

I have yet to see one of these boards in person, so I'm not sure if it is dark enough to be acceptable for me, but I don't think it's right to call it black when it's noticably lighter than the colour of the case.

I guess I'll leave my order as is (one set of blanks) as I know I'll find a use for them (even if I end up selling them on), but I think the OP should be updated with info about the exact colour used, so more people don't get surprised by this.

Ivan, sorry if I over-reacted, but I wasn't expecting this.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 23 January 2014, 05:36:27
Okay, so reading through here again just to see if I missed anything I discover that the "Pitch BLACK" edition blank black set is not actually going to be black, but dark grey like the Realforce keys...

I will be cancelling my order unless I can get truly black PBT blanks. Was looking forward to trying Cherry profile....

I am very disappointed and I suspect a lot of other people will be, too. Was it to reach MOQ by combining the orders for printed and blank (since you can't do dyesub on true black)?

Ivan never claimed the set will be truly black. Whoever ordered and is now surprised that these are dark gray keys simply didn't read the OP. This is hardly Ivan's fault. "Pitch Black" is just a catchy name for this set like "Raindrop" or "Red Alert".
To be honest I am surprised a little too, I am guessing you didn't read the OP since no where it says it is dark gray. One would assume Pitch Black is just a catchy name for a black set which I thought I am ordering. I can't say if the mock up is the real color or the set would be lighter shade or darker but If I wanted dark grey I would rather participate in the GMK group buy than a random factory produced PBT caps.

Ok, I give you that. Dark gray isn't explicitly mentioned in the OP. I must have mixed this up with the discussion in this thread, but just looking at the mockups makes it obvious in my opinion. If black legends are to be put on dark caps, logic demands that these caps can't be truly black.

There is an explicit pic of how this set is supposed to look like in post #10. Maybe Ivan should edit this pic to the OP.

Am I the only that actually reads a thread anymore? It feels like nowadays people only skip through the OP and take a glance at the last few posts just to ask questions that were answered on the very first page of the thread...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Thu, 23 January 2014, 08:45:23
Technically its still black, according to a post earlier in the thread by Ivan its considered process black. However, it sounds like you were expecting rich black.

(http://www.netsourceinc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/blacks.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: eujin1994 on Thu, 23 January 2014, 09:04:35
I actually googled "what is pitch black". Ended up showing some movie results.  :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: itsaferbie on Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:46:28
I actually wanted to get some nice dark greys, so I'm not disappointment at all, I wanted to get this set mainly for the main alphanumeric keys, and then sometime later get some nice colored modifiers. So I'm actually glad they aren't going to be the a true rich black, but a more processed black.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:17:42
I actually googled "what is pitch black". Ended up showing some movie results.  :(

pitch-black
adj
1. extremely dark; unlit: the room was pitch-black.
2. (Colours) of a deep black colour
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:33:43
Keys will be as black as possible while still allowing the dyesub to show up at all. Looking at orders printed set is about 50% of total order. Need to use a slightly lighter 'black' is necessary for printed sets, otherwise if we go for ink black dyesub is not possible and I do not think lasering or engraved is popular enough to get as many order. As it is now, we are getting pretty close to meeting the Plum MOQ of 300 set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: nickatnite on Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:42:54
Is it possible to do Rich Black on blanks and Process Black on printed?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:43:38
Is it possible to do Rich Black on blanks and Process Black on printed?

This would give us two MOQ's to reach, and we're having trouble with one.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: CK Briefs on Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:56:40
Is there a difference between imsto and plum in terms of quality?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:05:35
Is there a difference between imsto and plum in terms of quality?

I believe KBC is producing the set with the 400 MOQ, not imsto. However, Im wondering this as well. Even if there was a small quality difference between KBC and Plum, I would almost be inclined to say its worth it to wait to meet the KBC MOQ. Since these keycaps are so unique I would prefer them to be as absolutely top-notch as possible. I've seen a ton of positive reviews for KBC caps but I haven't heard nearly as much about Plum caps.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:23:22
I understand the reasoning behind it and am satisfied now. I'd rather we reach the 300 MOQ for "light black" and actually get some good, thick Cherry profile PBT caps than try to get 300 or even 400 orders for rich black blanks (which is not likely to happen).

I was posting out of disappointment. Rich black Cherry profile thick PBT blanks are pretty close to my IDEAL keycaps and that is what I had set my heart on.

Thank you for all your effort on doing this for us, Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:49:56
As for quality on the Plum cap... you can get some opinion from any Choc mini, Plum 96 or Neo Zelia owner. Most account they seem like very good keycap, same like Cherry profile, same thick, similar texture. Only common complain I see on those is about the lasering/pad printing (a non issue for us) or those that simply hate Cherry profile.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Lu_e on Thu, 23 January 2014, 19:48:42
How about the smoothness of the stem? That's one thing people have been repeating about IMSTO keys, that the stem doesn't add any extra friction to depressing keys. & do the PLUM keycaps have sharp/pointy corners?

These 2 things I was really looking forward to.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 23 January 2014, 22:20:45
How about the smoothness of the stem? That's one thing people have been repeating about IMSTO keys, that the stem doesn't add any extra friction to depressing keys. & do the PLUM keycaps have sharp/pointy corners?

These 2 things I was really looking forward to.

Yeah, I love how Imsto caps have pointy corners.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 24 January 2014, 13:18:01
I'm too lazy to go hunting around for better photo, but they are just like Cherry keycap. Same shape, profile etc.
(http://www.focalgadgets.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/39e08ee729ca5ce46cb3e2afe59035b0/w/h/white-noppoo-choc-mini-84-usb-nkro-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-black-brown-pbt-key-cap-17.jpg)
I never owned a Choc, Plum, or Neo keyboard so I can't answer about how if they pose any feeling differences.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 27 January 2014, 13:42:47
Come on, we only need 50 more set to go to production.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 13:56:00
is the OP showing prices from the plum factory?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 27 January 2014, 14:29:50
Everything is the same as before basically, just PLUM have 100 less for MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: CK Briefs on Mon, 27 January 2014, 15:05:17
Would it be possible to add in the arrow keys seen on the choc mini onto our orders for a price? Maybe even an 'fn' key instead of that weird looking menu key too? I'd LOVE those changes :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 27 January 2014, 15:34:10
I only posted that photo to illustrate PLUM still Cherry profile and same thick as the KBC imsto keys I've used in the past.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 28 January 2014, 01:38:56
Updated my order to 4 sets, 2x blank, 2x black on black. Plus 4 sets of extra top row caps.

They are still blank Cherry profile thick PBT. Dark grey still looks good in most of the same places as black.

Wallet officially hacked, let's get to this MOQ guys!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: naasfu on Tue, 28 January 2014, 01:55:38
Oobly, I salute your contribution for our good cause!  I added a second set to my order today as well.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 28 January 2014, 04:59:21
Any news on the sideprinted option?

I'd add a set of those to my current order :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 28 January 2014, 08:15:24
Wallet officially hacked, let's get to this MOQ guys!

Definitely! Once the ISO add on is official, I'll be in for a set of blanks and a set of black printed ones.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: strict on Tue, 28 January 2014, 10:15:18
Any news on the sideprinted option?

I'd add a set of those to my current order :)

If side-print becomes available I plan on promptly changing my order from a set of blanks & top-print to a set of blanks & side-print.  I cant pass up an opportunity for something as sexy as thick pbt cherry profile dyesub side-print.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: MsYutai on Tue, 28 January 2014, 11:47:43
I went ahead and ordered another because imsto thick PBT are the bomb...!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:01:52
I am waiting for final confirm for sideprint. If I get the OK from imsto I will make it available as a choice.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 28 January 2014, 14:56:38
Wait plum didn't work out? Will ISO still be ABS?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: atlas3686 on Tue, 28 January 2014, 14:59:29
Wait plum didn't work out? Will ISO still be ABS?

Keys are Plum printing is imsto I think.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: MsYutai on Tue, 28 January 2014, 19:15:43
EDIT: Apparently our keys will be darker than this set!

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40637.msg820343#msg820343

My QFR with thick grey PBT from Feng...


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Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: t2russo on Tue, 28 January 2014, 20:25:57
Here's a post with some pics of the caps if anyone is wondering. I'm thinking they will look the exact same as this set?

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40637.msg820343#msg820343

My QFR with thick grey PBT from Feng...


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2PYfhpx.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/TU1OyNA.jpg)

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No this is wrong these are not the keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: tbc on Tue, 28 January 2014, 20:36:20
would totally willīng to add a side printed set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 28 January 2014, 20:52:19
Here's a post with some pics of the caps if anyone is wondering. I'm thinking they will look the exact same as this set?

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40637.msg820343#msg820343

My QFR with thick grey PBT from Feng...


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2PYfhpx.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TU1OyNA.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/7RVDsUR.jpg)


No this is wrong these are not the keys.

I believe these are black, not dark grey like yours.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: atlas3686 on Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:15:50
Yes I believe these are supposed to be darker.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:42:06
Here's a post with some pics of the caps if anyone is wondering. I'm thinking they will look the exact same as this set?

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40637.msg820343#msg820343

My QFR with thick grey PBT from Feng...


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2PYfhpx.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TU1OyNA.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/7RVDsUR.jpg)


No this is wrong these are not the keys.

I believe these are black, not dark grey like yours.

Well... a much darker grey at least ;) But otherwise pretty much the same: Thick PBT Cherry profile. Yummy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 January 2014, 03:00:02
Yes it will be MUCH darker than the existing grey imsto sets. Plum PBT for 104 ANSI set, GMK ABS for ISO/1.5/etc/etc and EDOX adapter packs. imsto will still do dyesub on PBTs, just going with PLUM Cherry keycaps instead for lower MOQ. I will know for sure sometime after the Lunar New Year holiday period about the sideprint.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: AndrePews on Wed, 29 January 2014, 10:27:20
Ordered a blank set, thank you Ivan for hosting this GB!  :thumb:  :)

The Aurebesh is dendi!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:01:45
Is the ISO add on included with a normal order? I can't find any option for one on the order form, and I really want to get a set before we hit MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: MsYutai on Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:18:50
Here's a post with some pics of the caps if anyone is wondering. I'm thinking they will look the exact same as this set?

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40637.msg820343#msg820343

My QFR with thick grey PBT from Feng...


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2PYfhpx.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TU1OyNA.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/7RVDsUR.jpg)


No this is wrong these are not the keys.

I believe these are black, not dark grey like yours.

Okay good to know! I updated my original post so no one is confused!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:19:52
No the GMK adapter kits will be separate items and additional cost. I haven't added them to the form yet because I still don't have pricing. I guess they are having a tough time trying to locate the vertical 1.5 keys for the EDOX pack.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:33:33
No the GMK adapter kits will be separate items and additional cost. I haven't added them to the form yet because I still don't have pricing. I guess they are having a tough time trying to locate the vertical 1.5 keys for the EDOX pack.

Can I place my order now (to reserve a set or two) and then add the add-on pack when it becomes available?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:37:27
Yes, feel free to place the full set order. Save the form link for your order at the end, you can go back and add adapter packs when they are available.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:55:38
I filled a form forever ago, just making sure there isn't a new one. How can I check my order? Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 29 January 2014, 17:04:11
I filled a form forever ago, just making sure there isn't a new one. How can I check my order? Thanks.

2 blank, 1 US
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Nubbles on Thu, 30 January 2014, 16:55:32
Unfortunately I'm going to withdraw my order.
Apologies, but hopefully just one set shouldn't hurt too much trying to reach MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: KaLam1ty on Thu, 30 January 2014, 17:25:54
Sorry in advanced, as I'm sure this question has been asked before, but is there going to be any modifier packs
to go along with this? (i.e.  Capslock <-> Ctrl/Backspace, etc.)?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: Al3xG on Fri, 31 January 2014, 08:52:01
Hi IvanIvanovich, I placed an order for one blank set some days ago... Do you have received it?
Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: AndrePews on Fri, 31 January 2014, 09:08:12
Thanks for the GB Ivan!  :D

Just to make sure did you get my order? :)

Thanks!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: 1pq on Fri, 31 January 2014, 09:42:54
You guys know you can PM him, right?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 [The Pitch BLACK edition] NEW choices
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 31 January 2014, 09:44:02
Why are people always so concerned that the organizer got their orders? Did the form go through? Were there no errors? If yes to both, they got your order!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 31 January 2014, 11:40:35
GMK standard and EDOX add on packs are live. Please refer to the OP for contents, I will get a visual representation of it up at a later time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 31 January 2014, 12:21:45
Resubmitted my order (lost the original link) to include a GMK pack  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Rewind on Fri, 31 January 2014, 14:54:36
I forgot if I ordered a blank or black on black set.. Could you please check for me?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 31 January 2014, 16:23:53
I have too many request for check/order change. Please resubmit form. THANKS!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lcs on Fri, 31 January 2014, 16:25:50
We are *never* making 400 orders on the edox pack :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CK Briefs on Fri, 31 January 2014, 16:27:34
Just when I thought we almost had reached MOQ :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 31 January 2014, 16:34:04
The GMK bits are separate, and they have their own MOQ. Once the PBT makes MOQ it will be made regardless if the add ons have or not. I actually need to receive the PBT first anyway so we can get it color matched as best as possible with GMK keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Rayne on Fri, 31 January 2014, 18:23:48
so glad there there is extra pack for winkless! you are soooo awesome for doing this!!!!!!

order placed, 1 blank set and standard pack :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: epzy on Fri, 31 January 2014, 18:42:50
ORDER THE GMK PACKS BOYS AND GIRLS!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: avtar on Fri, 31 January 2014, 19:31:41

I will know for sure sometime after the Lunar New Year holiday period about the sideprint.

I'll sign up for this if side print becomes an option.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: cgbuen on Fri, 31 January 2014, 22:57:54
You mentioned that the imsto sets are supposed to be matched with the RF black, but I'm curious about the GMK matching - is it going to be like the normal black from white-on-black keys on G80s/G81s, or again close to RF black?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Noko on Sat, 01 February 2014, 10:48:15
Order placed, including one of the GMK packs, windowed keys are awesome.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: digi on Sat, 01 February 2014, 10:55:15
I think a mockup pic of the adapter kit might help moq. It's not easy finding black windowed stepped cherry caps lock!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 01 February 2014, 11:18:29
The idea is for the GMK add on to match as closely as possible the PBT set for a uniform look.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Sat, 01 February 2014, 14:07:29
what was the situation on windowed caps? specifically capslock.

i'm a fan of no windows.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 01 February 2014, 14:32:35
The full PBT set will not have windowed key. Windowed key only in the GMK add on.

While PLUM do have windowed key, it's the tiny dot kind of window like this
(http://www39.tx8cdn.com/photo/xiaqoli/plum96_005.jpg)
and I don't really care for it. Also it's likely to be on the wrong side for most keyboard in switch lock lights as well anyway.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Sat, 01 February 2014, 15:44:26
Yeah those "dot" windows look awful
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 03 February 2014, 21:09:19
Come on guys...we're so close!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: PolaBurrr on Mon, 03 February 2014, 23:05:25
I believe this has been asked already, but I cannot find it anymore. Is the color realforce black or ducky pbt black?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Tue, 04 February 2014, 00:15:59
realforce
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: mattics on Tue, 04 February 2014, 03:15:15
Sorry if that has already been asked - I did flick through about half the pages to look...

What is a rough estimate for tracked shipping to the UK for 1 (or possbily 2) sets?

And PayPal fees are 3.4% right?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 04 February 2014, 18:20:16
USPS rates have gone up recently... so a set would now cost approx $14 international shipping. 2 sets should be fairly close or the same cost. Paypal fee is 4%.

We are getting close... only ~40 PBT sets away from MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 05 February 2014, 01:17:36
We are getting close... only ~40 PBT sets away from MOQ.

I guess if you announce a sideprinted option we will get these 40 orders the same day ;)

I know I would add one to my existing order  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Wed, 05 February 2014, 01:42:25
^this
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 05 February 2014, 09:25:03
Still waiting to hear on confirmation for that option. I guess they wanted to do some more test run to make sure the process is up to good QC standard.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 05 February 2014, 10:07:12
That MOQ on the GMK add on sets though...:(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 05 February 2014, 10:27:23
Yeah it's too bad they are sticking to the higher MOQ on blank and windowed keys. But they are not too expensive so hopefully we can do it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: fuus on Fri, 07 February 2014, 03:26:59
How're the MOQs looking Ivan? :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 07 February 2014, 03:46:37
From the OP (numbers are 5 days old)

Order count (2.2.14):
PBT full sets: 258/300
GMK standard: 9/400
GMK EDOX: 2/400
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 07 February 2014, 08:01:04
Updated order count. We are getting pretty close on the full sets. I think we should meet goal by end of month.
Kind of surprised there is not more going on the GMK add ons... it is things many asked for.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: sean4star on Fri, 07 February 2014, 14:52:26
I want to modify my order.  I just need to resubmit the order form, right?

One problem...I can't remember if I used my geekhack or my deskthority account.  I would hate to order twice!  Can you let me know?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: jonathanyu on Fri, 07 February 2014, 17:01:13
The gmk addon will also be black?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 07 February 2014, 17:02:45

The gmk addon will also be black?

Yes, it will be color matched.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: jonathanyu on Fri, 07 February 2014, 17:06:57

The gmk addon will also be black?

Yes, it will be color matched.

Great, will order at least three just for the windowed caps
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: epzy on Fri, 07 February 2014, 17:08:43
Only 14 GMK sets ordered so far? Gosh... C'mon people!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 07 February 2014, 17:11:26

The gmk addon will also be black?

Yes, it will be color matched.

Great, will order at least three just for the windowed caps

Please forgive my complete ignorance here but what do these GMK addon packs consist of?  Would like to see what they look like because I can then decide on which keyboards to possibly install them on.

Sorry but I'm just a simple goon that needs pictures in explaining anything.  I still like reading Dr. Seuss  :p .
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: n7 on Fri, 07 February 2014, 18:37:19
added the standard addon pack to my order
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 08 February 2014, 08:16:17
Add on standard offers you:
Windowed caps/num/scroll lock keys
ISO
Cherry deepdish home keys
1.5 mods and 7x spacebar for vintage/customs
1.75 shift for 75%/Pure/1800
extra 2.25 shift for FC660M
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: fuus on Sat, 08 February 2014, 17:03:56
Thanks for the update Ivan :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 08 February 2014, 18:42:34
Add on standard offers you:
Windowed caps/num/scroll lock keys
ISO
Cherry deepdish home keys
1.5 mods and 7x spacebar for vintage/customs
1.75 shift for 75%/Pure/1800
extra 2.25 shift for FC660M

Just added these to my original order, please let me know if you can add these latest ones to the others already picked.  Thanks Ivan  ;D .

If there are problems I can re-order everything again but you'll need to scrap the OLD orders first.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Sun, 09 February 2014, 13:08:59
10% more to go!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Sun, 09 February 2014, 16:26:51
99% to go on the edox moq... :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Loligagger on Sun, 09 February 2014, 17:04:11
Re-submitted with an ergodox kit ordered.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 10 February 2014, 00:22:53
I'm so saddened by the numbers on the addon packs. I immediately added one of each to my order.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 10 February 2014, 00:28:43
Yeah 1/16th to MOQ for the normal add on and 1/100th for the edox kit is pretty pitiful
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LemSkee on Mon, 10 February 2014, 12:40:01
 :D Two sets ordered and new to the KB (GH) community - so yeah, this "hobby" is taking over my life - thank guys...  :eek:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ssdt on Mon, 10 February 2014, 16:33:51
Hey, myfavoritegroupbuymaker :)

should I re-submit my order? I have seen you changed the orderform after my last visit here (quite a long time I know).

Thanks <3
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Mon, 10 February 2014, 16:58:30
Ivan,

will you ever run a GB for blank rich black (or even darker if possible)?

sorry if this has been asked before, but i REALLY want it.  I'm still sticking to this GB, but if you are definitely either GOING TO or NOT going to do a GB for rich black, I want to make a mental note of it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 10 February 2014, 17:11:26
Did you read the OP? This GB includes blank process black :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Mon, 10 February 2014, 17:16:24
Did you read the OP? This GB includes blank process black :))

Ivan edited that part out bruh bruh, not sure when though.  It's probably worth putting back in though to avoid these questions popping back up.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Mon, 10 February 2014, 17:24:21
oh lol, my bad. xD

got process and rich mixed up.

fixed now :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 11 February 2014, 03:04:33
Ivan,

will you ever run a GB for blank rich black (or even darker if possible)?

sorry if this has been asked before, but i REALLY want it.  I'm still sticking to this GB, but if you are definitely either GOING TO or NOT going to do a GB for rich black, I want to make a mental note of it.

+1. This is what I originally joined this GB for, so would love to know if there will be a truly deep (rich) black GB later.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 11 February 2014, 06:43:09
Me too, actually. Rich black just looks so much better...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Tue, 11 February 2014, 10:45:43
Order submitted for blank 104 + 4 extra Row E.

Would it be possible to purchase 2 extra row 1 keys for numpads to replace the 2x key?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 11 February 2014, 16:18:00
Only need to resubmit if you are interested in the other options that have been added.

I can only make it so dark and still have printing, but it will be as dark as can be with the printing still at least vaguely visible. I am not sure there is enough interest to make MOQ with blank only... this would be very hard I think. As of now the total order is still about half blank half printed. I think this is one of those instances where small compromises need to be made to get anything into production at all.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: cookiesowns on Tue, 11 February 2014, 20:10:51
Only need to resubmit if you are interested in the other options that have been added.

I can only make it so dark and still have printing, but it will be as dark as can be with the printing still at least vaguely visible. I am not sure there is enough interest to make MOQ with blank only... this would be very hard I think. As of now the total order is still about half blank half printed. I think this is one of those instances where small compromises need to be made to get anything into production at all.

Well that's not good =( I'm really only interested in the blank option.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 11 February 2014, 20:15:46
You want blank, you will have it. All I am saying, is we can't have it too dark black, because then printing is impossible. Without printed set, nothing get made because blank only not enough orders to carry the buy into moq.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 11 February 2014, 20:39:37
Yeah there's not enough otaku love around here!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 12 February 2014, 00:04:58
Can you remind me how many sets I ordered?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr1me on Wed, 12 February 2014, 04:45:26
side print option dead or there is still hope for it  ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 12 February 2014, 05:43:47
side print option dead or there is still hope for it  ?

Ivan said he is still waiting for a final answer on this.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Wed, 12 February 2014, 08:02:27
What is the usual production time of a GB like this?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 12 February 2014, 08:10:47
Production time, probably something like 6-8 week.
For sideprinting, it sound like they are not ready for this yet. Perhaps they will be ready for next time and we can also do set like these:
(http://i.imgur.com/3B925IB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mm0NKZD.jpg)
(http://deskthority.net/resources/eu-multicolour-dyesubs/6640)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 12 February 2014, 09:11:30
You want blank, you will have it. All I am saying, is we can't have it too dark black, because then printing is impossible. Without printed set, nothing get made because blank only not enough orders to carry the buy into moq.

Playing devil's advocate (I like the RF charcoal regardless), I can't imagine printing would be "impossible", would it? The machines physically don't work if the keys are too dark? The printing might be incredibly difficult to see, but the odds of the printing being the exact same black seems truly "impossible", at least to a layman like me. And surely dye-sub causes some degree of marking, however faint.

I get that you're not manufacturing them yourself so you're at the whim of the keymaker's statements, whatever they say ultimately is what is available.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 12 February 2014, 09:15:06
You want blank, you will have it. All I am saying, is we can't have it too dark black, because then printing is impossible. Without printed set, nothing get made because blank only not enough orders to carry the buy into moq.

Playing devil's advocate (I like the RF charcoal regardless), I can't imagine printing would be "impossible", would it? The machines physically don't work if the keys are too dark? The printing might be incredibly difficult to see, but the odds of the printing being the exact same black seems truly "impossible", at least to a layman like me. And surely dye-sub/double-shooting causes some degree of marking, however faint.

I get that you're not manufacturing them yourself so you're at the whim of the keymaker's statements, whatever they say ultimately is what is available.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 12 February 2014, 11:42:48
As I think you understand, with dye sublimation you cannot produce colors lighter than the surface on which you're printing. If you have an extremely dark keycap, then you can't really print any darker to have any sort of defining contrast between the keycaps and the lettering. This would make lettering almost invisible, and most people who want lettering want their lettering to be visible, so we probably wouldn't be able to reach MOQ even with an option for lettering.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Wed, 12 February 2014, 20:05:43
Will these black Plum keycaps be as thick as these?

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/d20657e4.jpg)

Because if so, damn.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: riotonthebay on Wed, 12 February 2014, 20:09:01
Will these black Plum keycaps be as thick as these?

Show Image
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/d20657e4.jpg)


Because if so, damn.

Is that a picture of Plum caps?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bladegesnow on Wed, 12 February 2014, 21:04:59
Reordered, change a new address
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 12 February 2014, 21:16:01
Will these black Plum keycaps be as thick as these?

Show Image
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/d20657e4.jpg)


Because if so, damn.

These caps are PBT, not plum fyi. I don't know about the thickness question, though.

Edit: Ignore this silliness ^^ (I got plum and POM confused...don't ask)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 12 February 2014, 21:35:10
PLUM is just same thick like the Cherry one imsto and I have before. That photo is of original vintage Cherry ones from around 1986.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Wed, 12 February 2014, 22:14:48
PLUM is just same thick like the Cherry one imsto and I have before. That photo is of original vintage Cherry ones from around 1986.

Ah, ok. I just assumed they were the actual ones in the GB you did on DT.

Also 1pq, is Plum not the manufacturer? I know they're both PBT, I wasn't talking about material.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 12 February 2014, 22:25:32
haha for some reason I got POM and PLUM very mixed up in my head...sorry guys I'm tired :-[
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 12 February 2014, 22:31:27
PLUM does make POM too (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49081.0). Maybe we can try to do a groupbuy for that again sometime... it had a pretty low price I am not sure why it didn't go very far. POM is very nice too.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 12 February 2014, 22:51:43
PLUM does make POM too (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49081.0). Maybe we can try to do a groupbuy for that again sometime... it had a pretty low price I am not sure why it didn't go very far. POM is very nice too.

I would get a POM set if they were cherry profile, had legends, and didn't have the win8 logo (or a option to get blank win keys).
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Wed, 12 February 2014, 23:05:59
i would get it IF it had that win8 logo.  classy as ****.

jokes.  i would get it anyways. I did try to get two sets in dante's GB.

EDIT:

kinda sad about the no side-print thing.  that's fine, i'll get it in the next GB if it's there.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Wed, 12 February 2014, 23:06:52
PLUM does make POM too (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49081.0). Maybe we can try to do a groupbuy for that again sometime... it had a pretty low price I am not sure why it didn't go very far. POM is very nice too.

Yes!  It made me sad when that buy went nowhere.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Wed, 12 February 2014, 23:08:30
That price is awesome! Plum POM revival?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Wed, 12 February 2014, 23:19:50
that was a REALLY low MOQ.  it should have been a smashing success :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lolkey on Thu, 13 February 2014, 01:31:15
Will these have a smooth surface or textured? Probably going to put in an order if they're textured.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: gigibecali on Thu, 13 February 2014, 03:39:23
that was a REALLY low MOQ.  it should have been a smashing success :(

I believe the Asian source smelled bad. A matter of trust.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 08:25:27
I haven't touch them myself yet, but judge from photo texture will be more on finer side like other Cherry profile PBTs.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lolkey on Thu, 13 February 2014, 10:11:31
I haven't touch them myself yet, but judge from photo texture will be more on finer side like other Cherry profile PBTs.

Can we see pictures, or are you just going off previous imsto sets you've seen? Thanks

Also, am I reading this right? It takes an additional 6-7 weeks after the GB closes to actually make the keys?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Thu, 13 February 2014, 10:32:53
I haven't touch them myself yet, but judge from photo texture will be more on finer side like other Cherry profile PBTs.

Can we see pictures, or are you just going off previous imsto sets you've seen? Thanks

Also, am I reading this right? It takes an additional 6-7 weeks after the GB closes to actually make the keys?

6-7 weeks is pretty standard because you have to deal with manufacturing, shipping from China -> USA for Ivan to divvy up, and then sending them out from there (unless you're lucky like some of the last PBT orders and are located in Asia, IMSTO might send directly to you) lies this is plum
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 11:01:29
My production time is more a rough estimate. First the keys need to be made as this color is not something they will have standing stock on which will need to be fit into their production schedule. After that the sets that need printing need to go to another party for dyesub... then transit time.

You can see the keys we will be getting on white Choc mini, Plum 96 or Neo Zelia photo.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: RomeoActual on Thu, 13 February 2014, 11:15:13
Ordered These look cool
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bubuchacha251 on Thu, 13 February 2014, 11:24:53
ordered also!hope can get enough sets for MOQ,and thanks Ivan for group this GB!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Nithix on Thu, 13 February 2014, 21:39:06
I have to cancel for now, unfortunately. Probably own't have the extra money like I had hoped. :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lolkey on Fri, 14 February 2014, 06:13:03
My production time is more a rough estimate. First the keys need to be made as this color is not something they will have standing stock on which will need to be fit into their production schedule. After that the sets that need printing need to go to another party for dyesub... then transit time.

You can see the keys we will be getting on white Choc mini, Plum 96 or Neo Zelia photo.

So this?
(http://i.imgur.com/XnBRfek.png)

They look pretty cheap, at least in that picture.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 14 February 2014, 10:24:38
What look cheap? The pad print? If that what you think make it look cheap then it's not even a concern since we aren't doing that.

PBTs are almost to MOQ :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: dante on Fri, 14 February 2014, 10:28:32
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Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr0ximity on Fri, 14 February 2014, 11:37:46
Thread needs more vendors.  I wish I had $5k sitting around just to buy a few dozen sets - these will sell on ebay even with a nice mark up.

I agree, I'm really surprised there hasn't been more vendor activity for this buy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Fri, 14 February 2014, 11:57:10
Only 10 to go on base sets!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Fri, 14 February 2014, 13:13:58
GMK add ons each have a minimum of 400 to go to production.

...

GMK standard: 30/400
GMK EDOX: 6/250

I just noticed this in the OP -- is this a mistake? Do both sets have a MOQ of 400?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 14 February 2014, 13:22:03
No, the EDOX kit is basically doubled up on everything so it has a lower MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1pq on Fri, 14 February 2014, 14:04:34
Aww, I was hoping that you got the GMK MOQ lowered for both, so that we might be able to reach it for the standard set...but right now it looks like that's never going to happen :-/
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Veteranos on Fri, 14 February 2014, 16:41:14
hmm.. ok shipping internationally - arround 12-14$

so these will be shipped right after we reach the 300 PBT orders?

Blank-Black ordered :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Fri, 14 February 2014, 19:35:52
hmm.. ok shipping internationally - arround 12-14$

so these will be shipped right after we reach the 300 PBT orders?

Blank-Black ordered :)

Need to be made after we hit the 300, so expect at least 6-7 weeks.  Just so ya aren't confused.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: domoaligato on Fri, 14 February 2014, 21:21:59
3x Pack Standard ordered
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lolkey on Fri, 14 February 2014, 22:50:25
Sorry to be asking so many questions, but will these be the super thick ones or the standard thick?

(http://i.imgur.com/GyxtBtH.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bazh on Fri, 14 February 2014, 23:12:50
Sorry to be asking so many questions, but will these be the super thick ones or the standard thick?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GyxtBtH.jpg)



it must be thick like the white one
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Sat, 15 February 2014, 00:25:49
people who ordered only blanks will get shipped earlier?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: gerg on Sat, 15 February 2014, 03:52:56
Ordered 2 sets of "CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub".
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Ound on Sat, 15 February 2014, 06:07:50
Placed an order for 1 more blank set. Might be on resale for Europeans later on, if I dont find use for it myself ( like buying a Poker II )
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 15 February 2014, 06:28:25
Yes international shipping for 1-3 set should be something like $12-$14.

Set full will be PBT Cherry thick, add on is ABS Cherry thick.

All order will send at same time, as the entire order would be shipped to me at once not half/half.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: riotonthebay on Sat, 15 February 2014, 08:46:39
Hey Ivan, I've had to change my order a few times. Sorry about that! I hope it doesn't cause you any trouble.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: cmadrid on Sat, 15 February 2014, 20:23:25
I will probably have to cancel my order too.. had a few unexpected bills since this post went up.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: wilflare on Sat, 15 February 2014, 20:26:33
umm how do I change my order?
thinking of getting a blank set on top of my black on black
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: riotonthebay on Sat, 15 February 2014, 20:27:17
umm how do I change my order?
thinking of getting a blank set on top of my black on black

Just resubmit the form with the same personal information.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Sat, 15 February 2014, 21:49:47
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TyTAuipR8cA/UMmZ3NcsRtI/AAAAAAAAClE/1IqqMQeF22U/s1000/151.png)

Just going through old photos in the clack thread and saw this photo by jil_jil32.

Hoo boy am I excited for Realforce black.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 15 February 2014, 22:08:14
Show Image
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TyTAuipR8cA/UMmZ3NcsRtI/AAAAAAAAClE/1IqqMQeF22U/s1000/151.png)


Just going through old photos in the clack thread and saw this photo by jil_jil32.

Hoo boy am I excited for Realforce black.

I am the opposite, if I can't see my keys I can't type.  YES I'm old, lazy and incompetent, so I will never be able to type without watching the keyboard and at night I might as well be like Stevie Wonder........
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lolkey on Sun, 16 February 2014, 01:43:00
What look cheap? The pad print? If that what you think make it look cheap then it's not even a concern since we aren't doing that.

PBTs are almost to MOQ :D

Everything about them looks cheap in the first image I posted. Maybe it's just a bad picture and the lighting on that image, who knows? But I've searched around for the keyboards you listed that have these keycaps and they all seem different. Like the choc mini has smooth surface, then the Neo Zelia looks like it's textured and much better quality seen here:

(http://i.imgur.com/9yXOT55.png)

This just seems so bizarre to me, maybe because I'm new to mechanical keyboards and group buys. I can't grasp that you're giving a company nearly $20,000 for a product and they can't supply a sample piece of plastic to show you what you would be getting.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 16 February 2014, 07:47:31
They will be just like the above, but not pad printing and none dot windows. I was told they made new mold for PBT sometime between the old Chocs and the newer Neo, Plum 96, Choc 2013 version which may explain difference in appearances.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Sun, 16 February 2014, 08:57:50
Just to confirm, the dyesub set will have the Windows 8 type logo? That's pretty much the only thing keeping me from getting the dyesubs.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 16 February 2014, 09:13:02
Perhaps I will make a few choice about the winkey... it's always such a big problem.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Willy on Sun, 16 February 2014, 13:23:50
Show Image
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TyTAuipR8cA/UMmZ3NcsRtI/AAAAAAAAClE/1IqqMQeF22U/s1000/151.png)


Just going through old photos in the clack thread and saw this photo by jil_jil32.

Hoo boy am I excited for Realforce black.

I am the opposite, if I can't see my keys I can't type.  YES I'm old, lazy and incompetent, so I will never be able to type without watching the keyboard and at night I might as well be like Stevie Wonder........

It should only take about a week to become fluent in touch typing. The best way to learn is by getting a set of blank keys. (;
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: DarkShot on Sun, 16 February 2014, 13:56:31
It should only take about a week to become fluent in touch typing. The best way to learn is by getting a set of blank keys. (;

Here here! Only real reason I got a set of blank keys, and it sure did help.

Super stoked for these caps!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: fuus on Sun, 16 February 2014, 15:20:35
I must say, a set of blank caps from Ivan's last buy has helped me no end with touch typing. I still make mistakes here and there, but non the less I'm definitely better!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Sun, 16 February 2014, 17:28:39
there's no such thing as a reasonable  'expected learning timeline', but getting blanks honestly does help once you're past the stage of 'stubbornly pecking with two fingers'
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 17 February 2014, 02:00:46
Show Image
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TyTAuipR8cA/UMmZ3NcsRtI/AAAAAAAAClE/1IqqMQeF22U/s1000/151.png)


Just going through old photos in the clack thread and saw this photo by jil_jil32.

Hoo boy am I excited for Realforce black.

I am the opposite, if I can't see my keys I can't type.  YES I'm old, lazy and incompetent, so I will never be able to type without watching the keyboard and at night I might as well be like Stevie Wonder........

Stevie Wonder knows what keys are where on a keyboard!   ;)

He uses blanks.

It's frustrating at first when trying blanks, since you hit the wrong key a lot and have to try the others around that one until you get the right one (lots of backspacing), but it pays off in the end. You don't really have to think about it too much, your fingers learn the positions. It's quite rewarding when it starts to work out.

I found the hardest characters to remember are the shifted ones on the number keys. The rest have been pretty easy to learn.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: patthebaker17 on Tue, 18 February 2014, 00:00:05
damn 290 back to 277...
I was pretty excited for these to hit production but now it seems we have to wait a little longer :/
I'm just too excited for my first set of pbt caps!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Tue, 18 February 2014, 00:05:04
one 30 set vendor order....COME ON!!!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Veteranos on Tue, 18 February 2014, 05:43:55
damn really? back to 277.... :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: boost on Tue, 18 February 2014, 09:08:28
damn, I don't know if I put an order in. Is there anyway to check?

Thanks
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 18 February 2014, 09:09:52
damn, I don't know if I put an order in. Is there anyway to check?

Thanks

No, you have to send Ivan a PM.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 18 February 2014, 10:09:35
boost, you have order in currently 1 blank set and 1 4 key add on.

Yeah, back down again... recent rash of order cancels.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: quochung1989 on Tue, 18 February 2014, 18:25:15
I am looking for link of round 1. Please help me if you know. Thanks :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 19 February 2014, 00:37:18
I am looking for link of round 1. Please help me if you know. Thanks :)

Here you go:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=31861.0
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: mrksprvn on Thu, 20 February 2014, 16:29:10
Could there be an option for blank winkeys? The logos are off-center in your graphic. (Not to mention Win8 style)
Definitely ordering this set nonetheless.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Thu, 20 February 2014, 21:57:17
i never understood why win logos were off center...do people ACTUALLY prefer things to be horizontally offcenter?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 21 February 2014, 09:31:52
Windows logo is left aligned, consistent with other icons shift arrow, enter arrow etc.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: mrksprvn on Fri, 21 February 2014, 09:59:44
Windows logo is left aligned, consistent with other icons shift arrow, enter arrow etc.
It seems to be a bit higher than Control and others ie. vertically offcenter.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 21 February 2014, 10:00:37
Oh I see what you mean. Can be fixed for production.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: mrksprvn on Fri, 21 February 2014, 10:02:08
Oh I see what you mean. Can be fixed for production.
Great job. Ordered it just now, I sure hope we hit MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ivandaho on Sat, 22 February 2014, 12:10:07
How dark will the blanks be, say, compared to Poker II keycaps? Are they noticeably darker?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 23 February 2014, 07:14:45
Basically should be like picture in lolkey post above, maybe a tiny bit lighter for black dyesub to show up better.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Vibex on Sun, 23 February 2014, 14:10:50
Just grabbed myself a set of blanks. Can't wait for them. I've needed new keys for some time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Schwarz on Mon, 24 February 2014, 14:22:56
I just submitted my order.

I had to resubmit because I selected the printed instead of blank, I hope that was the right way to go about it.

Thanks Ivan
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Mon, 24 February 2014, 18:11:27
What happens if we don't reach 300 orders by March 1st?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 25 February 2014, 01:36:52
What happens if we don't reach 300 orders by March 1st?

I guess Ivan just extends the order period. Since we are so close it's likely that we reach MOQ pretty soon.

It's not like we are sitting at 50% MOQ for months and nobody orders. I think this GB will 100% succeed!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: naasfu on Tue, 25 February 2014, 02:14:11
You gotta believe!  ;D

See someone complaining about flimsy OEM keys, or asking for blank sets?  Send 'em here. :)  Also, stick a link to this GB in your sig so more people know about it.   :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: clickclack123 on Tue, 25 February 2014, 04:32:41
Quote
Order count (22.2.14):
PBT full sets: 283/300
GMK standard: 32/400
GMK EDOX: 7/250

Umm call me a noob but I want an Ergodox set. So there's no chance of that happening, right? Or is the 250 number just for a cheaper price?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Tue, 25 February 2014, 04:33:48
not a chance
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: epzy on Tue, 25 February 2014, 04:49:43
Quote
Order count (22.2.14):
PBT full sets: 283/300
GMK standard: 32/400
GMK EDOX: 7/250

Umm call me a noob but I want an Ergodox set. So there's no chance of that happening, right? Or is the 250 number just for a cheaper price?

The 'GMK EDOX' set needs to hit 250 orders to make it to production. Chances for that to happen are kinda slim.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bgee on Tue, 25 February 2014, 08:49:40
Can they do ENG(lish)\RUS(sian)\HEB(rew) printing\molding?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 25 February 2014, 09:28:39
Order deadline will be firm. As long as there isn't another big rash of cancellations I will just use some of my tax return to buy the rest of the sets and sell them later.

As far as the GMK bits... I will leave that running for a little more. It had much less time and exposure. I need to get a picture of what those are too... I have been really lazy about getting that done, and that usually helps a great deal. Even a very detailed list like I have in the OP now only helps for people that know what the hell it means.

I will try offering Hebrew next PBT groupbuy. I just haven't had time to make the legends/found a suitable Cherry like font to use for it yet.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Tue, 25 February 2014, 10:41:29
Sweet, excited for this to get rolling.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Wed, 26 February 2014, 01:25:05
YAY!  ivan for president (again)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: catbuster on Wed, 26 February 2014, 03:57:52
Ivan could u confirm i have ordered 1 blank set? I think i used not my paypal email also...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Keytrun on Wed, 26 February 2014, 04:41:20
Ivan could u confirm i have ordered 1 blank set? I think i used not my paypal email also...

Same for me. I haven't gotten anything in my email asking me to pay for anything yet. Can you confirm for me what I have ordered and when I need to go about paying for it?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: atlas3686 on Wed, 26 February 2014, 05:08:03
Hey Ivan,

Will you be confirming with those who ordered soon? Just want to make sure you got my order before the deadline :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 26 February 2014, 06:40:17
Order deadline will be firm. As long as there isn't another big rash of cancellations I will just use some of my tax return to buy the rest of the sets and sell them later.

Wow, just wanted to say thank you for this. I'm excited for this to get underway, it sounds like our orders will be in very, very good hands.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: epzy on Wed, 26 February 2014, 06:44:23
Order deadline will be firm. As long as there isn't another big rash of cancellations I will just use some of my tax return to buy the rest of the sets and sell them later.

Wow, just wanted to say thank you for this. I'm excited for this to get underway, it sounds like our orders will be in very, very good hands.

Yes, Ivan is top notch. :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: strict on Wed, 26 February 2014, 07:18:18
Order deadline will be firm. As long as there isn't another big rash of cancellations I will just use some of my tax return to buy the rest of the sets and sell them later.

As far as the GMK bits... I will leave that running for a little more. It had much less time and exposure. I need to get a picture of what those are too... I have been really lazy about getting that done, and that usually helps a great deal. Even a very detailed list like I have in the OP now only helps for people that know what the hell it means.

I will try offering Hebrew next PBT groupbuy. I just haven't had time to make the legends/found a suitable Cherry like font to use for it yet.

Wow, you are awesome Ivan. We are lucky to have someone like you running this GB!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Veteranos on Wed, 26 February 2014, 07:42:34
Ivan could u confirm i have ordered 1 blank set? I think i used not my paypal email also...

Same for me. I haven't gotten anything in my email asking me to pay for anything yet. Can you confirm for me what I have ordered and when I need to go about paying for it?

I think when the time arrives to pay for them, we will all get the invoice for paypal or whatever...in our email :)

So if i guess right we're around 290 now? :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 26 February 2014, 07:42:38
You can check your orders HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgnwXcpLx2NpdGdDeVVEY3AyUThKN3Z4M3h6Z0hQR1E&output=html).

As always, invoicing is not done until orders close.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bgee on Wed, 26 February 2014, 08:59:13
ENG|RUS|HEB will be great! I'll be waiting for it...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: stancato9 on Wed, 26 February 2014, 09:17:06
I'm a little confused, are the adapter packs going to have legends? Also does it include a tsangan. I'm more of a visual person. Sorry.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 26 February 2014, 09:25:37
The GMK add on will be blank only. Yes the standard pack includes 1.5 and 7x for winkeyless.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: rainb1ood on Wed, 26 February 2014, 15:36:51
After seeing the new Leopold that was posted. I gave in and signed up for 1 set of PBT blanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: dmbr on Wed, 26 February 2014, 19:58:23
Ordered!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: note on Thu, 27 February 2014, 00:25:50
I'm in! Can you confirm if I'm on the list? Thanks!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: chromeeye on Thu, 27 February 2014, 13:35:43
Ordered, I'm looking forward to get this!  ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 28 February 2014, 05:19:53
Yes your order is exist.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: atlas3686 on Fri, 28 February 2014, 06:39:34
Thanks Ivan, I see my order is nice and high up :) Looking forward to these, thanks for putting in the effort.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Snooter on Fri, 28 February 2014, 16:14:12
Ivan I am trying to order a set of the black on black PBT caps and the order form is telling me I have to order a blank set as well as black on black before I can submit the form. Is this true? I didn't see this written anywhere in the OP. I could also just be an idiot and missing something really simple.

Edit: I think I am an idiot and just need to put 0...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 28 February 2014, 16:15:03
Ivan I am trying to order a set of the black on black PBT caps and the order form is telling me I have to order a blank set as well as black on black before I can submit the form. Is this true? I didn't see this written anywhere in the OP. I could also just be an idiot and missing something really simple.

If it's saying you have to enter a number just enter 0
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Snooter on Fri, 28 February 2014, 16:17:14
Ivan I am trying to order a set of the black on black PBT caps and the order form is telling me I have to order a blank set as well as black on black before I can submit the form. Is this true? I didn't see this written anywhere in the OP. I could also just be an idiot and missing something really simple.

If it's saying you have to enter a number just enter 0

Thanks, I guess I need some sleep or glasses. :-/
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 01 March 2014, 10:49:04
Is this buy still open? I've been going back and forth on the blank set for a while, and am wondering how much longer I have to make a decision.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 01 March 2014, 10:50:16
Orders close at end of today for the full sets.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 01 March 2014, 10:57:34
Orders close at end of today for the full sets.

Time zone?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 01 March 2014, 11:36:50
End 23:59 GMT-6
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 01 March 2014, 11:52:01
Awesome, thanks. Whether I like the set or not seems to depend so much on the lighting for the particular sample picture taken....

E: How much would it be for shipping to Canada for a blank set?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Sat, 01 March 2014, 15:36:27
Awesome, thanks. Whether I like the set or not seems to depend so much on the lighting for the particular sample picture taken....

E: How much would it be for shipping to Canada for a blank set?

None of the pictures in the thread are representative of the final color, they are just other keycaps made by the same manufacturer.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 01 March 2014, 18:11:13
Awesome, thanks. Whether I like the set or not seems to depend so much on the lighting for the particular sample picture taken....

E: How much would it be for shipping to Canada for a blank set?

They're the same color as the black on a Realforce, if that helps.

Shipping, probably no more than $20 US.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: acediac01 on Sun, 02 March 2014, 22:45:39
You can check your orders HERE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgnwXcpLx2NpdGdDeVVEY3AyUThKN3Z4M3h6Z0hQR1E&output=html).

As always, invoicing is not done until orders close.

Thank you for this Ivan, being able to check that I've communicated properly is awesome!

I'm so looking forward to replacing some key caps that are showing their age, I can't wait for this to complete!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: j0hnny on Mon, 03 March 2014, 11:45:00
now what?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 03 March 2014, 14:59:15
Will begin the invoicing soon.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CK Briefs on Mon, 03 March 2014, 15:09:35

Will begin the invoicing soon.

The time has come, boys
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 03 March 2014, 15:32:43
Will begin the invoicing soon.

(http://i.imgur.com/i9fPA.gif)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Vibex on Mon, 03 March 2014, 16:49:14
Will begin the invoicing soon.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/i9fPA.gif)

Dat gif!  :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Keytrun on Wed, 05 March 2014, 12:12:32
Ivan, I haven't gotten an email to pay for my order, and when I looked at the list of confirmed orders I didn't even see my email on it - though I did see my user name. Can you let me know what to do in this situation?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Veteranos on Wed, 05 March 2014, 12:54:03
i think he hasn't sent those invoices yet :P he probably will soon :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: spearman on Wed, 05 March 2014, 15:07:18
Ivan, I haven't gotten an email to pay for my order, and when I looked at the list of confirmed orders I didn't even see my email on it - though I did see my user name. Can you let me know what to do in this situation?

I don't think he's sent out the invoices yet. The list of confirmed orders doesn't list any emails, all the @geekhack are to differentiate from Deskthority orders I think.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 06 March 2014, 09:52:03
Yes I removed personal information for posted order check sheet as most people don't like such things like the email, real name, mailing address to be shown to the world. I have been busy this week so I have not sent any invoice yet. I will probably start send the invoice next week.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Vibex on Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:23:14
Yes I removed personal information for posted order check sheet as most people don't like such things like the email, real name, mailing address to be shown to the world. I have been busy this week so I have not sent any invoice yet. I will probably start send the invoice next week.
Alright. Also is there any time frame for when these will start production and then shipping?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Ound on Fri, 07 March 2014, 02:07:47
Afaik, he said that it would take about 4-6 weeks to complete the production. I'd say, expect the stuff start shipping no sooner than the beginning of May.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: fydo on Sat, 08 March 2014, 20:54:19
Ah shoot! Looks like I missed this one by a few days.

Oh well, I'll have to keep an eye on the classifieds later :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: DarkShot on Sun, 09 March 2014, 03:34:16
Ah shoot! Looks like I missed this one by a few days.

Oh well, I'll have to keep an eye on the classifieds later :)

To be fair this GB was open for a very, very long time.

You can try messaging Ivan, he may be willing to include you in the batch.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: fydo on Sun, 09 March 2014, 04:21:15

To be fair this GB was open for a very, very long time.

You can try messaging Ivan, he may be willing to include you in the batch.

Thanks for the tip, I just sent him a message.

Cheers!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CK Briefs on Mon, 10 March 2014, 12:00:32
Is this real life? Invoices out! Paid ^^
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: cirrus82 on Mon, 10 March 2014, 12:06:32
Awesome! Paid!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: note on Mon, 10 March 2014, 12:08:33
I haven't gotten my invoice yet..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: acediac01 on Mon, 10 March 2014, 12:10:15
Ivan, take my money!  :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Al3xG on Mon, 10 March 2014, 12:12:03
Paid  ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: DarSee on Mon, 10 March 2014, 12:16:50
Paid!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 10 March 2014, 12:40:22
EDIT:  Paid :)  One step closer to owning my first set of Cherry profile keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 10 March 2014, 12:51:08
I only started invoice... finished through username start a-j only. I will only be invoicing for full set orders. Smaller packs to be invoiced later if applicable.

Orders will be declared to $10, unless insurance is requested.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: calavera on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:02:18
I might want to make some changes to my order if it's not too late. Is Pack Standard still available?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: GeorgeK on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:06:37
I don't think that'll be being made seeing as it's only got 33 orders out of a MOQ of 400...

Paid my invoice btw! :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:09:08
You can still order the GMK add on packs with the order sheet in the OP. If you want to make any changes to full set orders you may PM me... but please do so BEFORE paying an invoice. :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Arizone on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:11:21
Paid and squared away.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lavieest on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:32:27
Thanks Ivan! Payment has been sent, I'm really looking forward to this set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:36:28
Paid, thanks Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: note on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:36:42
Sweet! Can't wait for these!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:39:53
Paid!!! Thanks Ivan :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: regack on Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:48:17
Paid, thanks!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Tabrin on Mon, 10 March 2014, 14:12:59
Paid! Thanks. :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 10 March 2014, 14:22:38
Invoicing for full sets should be complete. If you are positive you had any full sets ordered and after checking all email AND in paypal you do not have an invoice please let me know.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: strict on Mon, 10 March 2014, 14:32:15
Received my invoice today and got it paid. I'm so anxious for these keycaps! Thanks for putting this together, Ivan!  :cool:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: AlexJP on Mon, 10 March 2014, 14:35:51
Paid   :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: xauser on Mon, 10 March 2014, 14:38:52
paid.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tinco on Mon, 10 March 2014, 14:44:40
Paid :) Thanks for the good work IvanIvanovich

I totally forgot I participated in this group buy :eek:, suddenly a paypal invoice from some IvanIvanovich in my mailbox, I thought I was being scammed :P

I even bought a different PBT set in between :P

Now reading through the thread I get why I was excited about this. I'll see if it looks prettier than my current set, or perhaps I'll see what people on ebay would pay for it :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: itsaferbie on Mon, 10 March 2014, 14:53:31
Paid for  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: o3okevin on Mon, 10 March 2014, 15:11:35
What's the last day to pay for an invoice? I don't think I'll be able to get the money until April.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 10 March 2014, 15:30:47
Generally I give 7-10 day to make payment. If everything is paid sooner, I can pay production sooner... production starts sooner... you get them sooner...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Mon, 10 March 2014, 15:31:19
Cha-ching. :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: note on Mon, 10 March 2014, 15:46:12
Generally I give 7-10 day to make payment. If everything is paid sooner, I can pay production sooner... production starts sooner... you get them sooner...


Sweet! Thanks Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ynrozturk on Mon, 10 March 2014, 15:46:51
Generally I give 7-10 day to make payment. If everything is paid sooner, I can pay production sooner... production starts sooner... you get them sooner...

Okay good to know. I get paid on the 17th so that's when I will be able to make my payment. Sorry for the delay, but I will work it out. Just thought I'd let you know.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 10 March 2014, 16:00:28
Of course I would rather give a little time than have cancelled orders.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Vibex on Mon, 10 March 2014, 16:13:13
Just paid. Can't wait for these keys. I'm gonna put them on my TEX Yoda when that arrives. It's gonna look dope. ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Ridillz on Mon, 10 March 2014, 16:36:53
Paid! much excite!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Galactic on Mon, 10 March 2014, 17:03:49
How long to pay these invoices Ivan?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 10 March 2014, 17:04:35
How long to pay these invoices Ivan?



Generally I give 7-10 day to make payment. If everything is paid sooner, I can pay production sooner... production starts sooner... you get them sooner...

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 10 March 2014, 17:39:53
Got my invoice. Will pay in 2-4 days based on cheque and banking.
Love you Ivan.  :-*
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: DarkShot on Mon, 10 March 2014, 18:10:27
All paid and squared away!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Psybin on Mon, 10 March 2014, 18:11:45
Paid when I got the invoice.

Then I checked the thread (first time in a while) and saw the add on pack with the windows =(

PM sent to add the pack.. sorry.

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: geogga on Mon, 10 March 2014, 18:41:29
So we have about 6 hours left, gotta make my decision since i forgot all about this
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 10 March 2014, 19:38:29
So we have about 6 hours left, gotta make my decision since i forgot all about this

6 hrs for what? the buy closed on the first...

Paid my invoice 8-)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Noko on Mon, 10 March 2014, 19:43:14
Paid, got my GH60 keys ready to go now :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: naasfu on Mon, 10 March 2014, 19:49:09
Invoice paid!  Thank you Ivan for running this GB.  Looking forward to these thick, juicy PBT sets.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: calavera on Mon, 10 March 2014, 20:11:17
Before I pay invoice, what's going on the the standard pack? Do we get a separate invoice for that later?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: geogga on Mon, 10 March 2014, 20:45:02
So we have about 6 hours left, gotta make my decision since i forgot all about this

6 hrs for what? the buy closed on the first...

Paid my invoice 8-)
To pay the invoice...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: note on Mon, 10 March 2014, 20:51:02
Before I pay invoice, what's going on the the standard pack? Do we get a separate invoice for that later?


I think the quota for minimum order wasn't met.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 10 March 2014, 20:55:18
So we have about 6 hours left, gotta make my decision since i forgot all about this

6 hrs for what? the buy closed on the first...

Paid my invoice 8-)
To pay the invoice...

Ivan said 7-10 days.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 10 March 2014, 21:34:12
Before I pay invoice, what's going on the the standard pack? Do we get a separate invoice for that later?

Sounds like it;

I only started invoice... finished through username start a-j only. I will only be invoicing for full set orders. Smaller packs to be invoiced later if applicable.

Orders will be declared to $10, unless insurance is requested.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Schwarz on Mon, 10 March 2014, 21:46:58
Paid.

One step closer to that delicious pbt set. Thanks Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LemSkee on Mon, 10 March 2014, 22:28:02
Paid in full - Thanks Ivan!  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Mon, 10 March 2014, 22:31:59
So we have about 6 hours left, gotta make my decision since i forgot all about this

6 hrs for what? the buy closed on the first...

Paid my invoice 8-)
To pay the invoice...

Make a decision on what? I thought by joining you agree to pay.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 10 March 2014, 23:18:45
Paid!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr1me on Tue, 11 March 2014, 00:33:15
Paid!!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Tue, 11 March 2014, 00:41:16
IVAN

please cancel my invoice, number #1044.

Thank you
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: wilflare on Tue, 11 March 2014, 00:57:50
PAID :D
thanks for your help with this Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: n7 on Tue, 11 March 2014, 05:03:15
Paid earlier. Thanks for organizing the buy! :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Galactic on Tue, 11 March 2014, 07:17:26
Look as though I won't be able to make payment until the 21st or so. Let me know if this is a problem Ivan and I'll see if I can get together some funds somehow. Sorry :( Really want to be in on this GB too.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 11 March 2014, 07:24:26
I paid :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 11 March 2014, 07:48:12
Invoice paid. Let those Keys come in! :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: chromeeye on Tue, 11 March 2014, 07:49:55
Hi Ivan,

I ordered a full set at 27/02/2014. but I've not gotten invoices yet.

Was my order accepted? Please resend my invoice if I'm on the list.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: phillyd on Tue, 11 March 2014, 08:26:06
When is payment due?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 11 March 2014, 08:47:58
Nevermind...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Shinryuu on Tue, 11 March 2014, 10:32:58
Payment done, boner incoming!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 11 March 2014, 12:07:59
Please do your best to pay the order by 20 March. If allowing a little more time means the difference of keeping an order or not of course I can work with you, as long as the extension is within reason. After the 21 I will cancel any outstanding orders and open them for pick up.
If you absolutely must cancel the order, you can simply choose cancel on your paypal invoice. This notifies me of the cancellation and neither you or I have to take any additional steps.

Add on GMK packs must make the MOQ before they are invoiced. If that happens you will receive another invoice for those items at a later time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ideus on Tue, 11 March 2014, 12:36:54
Is the GMK add on going to be produced? If so, any chance to get into the GB for one addon set?. I know I am very late, but jusk asking.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 11 March 2014, 12:44:08
Is the GMK add on going to be produced? If so, any chance to get into the GB for one addon set?. I know I am very late, but jusk asking.

One post above your post he said the GMK pack must make MOQ, so far it has not.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ideus on Tue, 11 March 2014, 13:09:28
Is the GMK add on going to be produced? If so, any chance to get into the GB for one addon set?. I know I am very late, but jusk asking.

One post above your post he said the GMK pack must make MOQ, so far it has not.


it was what I thought, sorry for not reading carefully. At work my boss has begun to suspect that I am not working while I am writing in this window with emoticons at the top.   :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 11 March 2014, 13:13:28
Is the GMK add on going to be produced? If so, any chance to get into the GB for one addon set?. I know I am very late, but jusk asking.

One post above your post he said the GMK pack must make MOQ, so far it has not.


it was what I thought, sorry for not reading carefully. At work my boss has begun to suspect that I am not working while I am writing in this window with emoticons at the top.   :D

:eek:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: chromeeye on Tue, 11 March 2014, 13:51:13
I received my invoice and paid! Thanks Ivan! :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Snooter on Tue, 11 March 2014, 14:05:20
Hey Ivan, in my head I could have sworn I went back and ordered a blank set of caps to go with my black on black set but it doesn't look like I did. Any chance I can get this added to my order now or is it to late? Sorry to be a PITA, so many GBs going on now and trying to keep track of them all in my head was a bad idea.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: atlas3686 on Tue, 11 March 2014, 14:06:14
Paid! Thanks Ivan, can't wait for these.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 11 March 2014, 15:55:18
Invoice paid. Thanks for making this set possible, Ivan. Looking forward to seeing these keys 'in the flesh' so to speak.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: eddie on Tue, 11 March 2014, 16:46:03
Paid the invoice, thanks
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Keytrun on Tue, 11 March 2014, 16:50:50
Just paid! I can't wait to get these things!

Just to be clear - I got the blank black ones right?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Loligagger on Tue, 11 March 2014, 16:52:53
Invoice paid.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Lu_e on Tue, 11 March 2014, 18:43:17
Just paid! I can't wait to get these things!

Just to be clear - I got the blank black ones right?

If you log into the paypal main site it should say on your invoice. Also blanks came to a total of $64.xx I think...

Hey Ivan, these will have home row 'lines' like the Choc Mini right?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Rewind on Tue, 11 March 2014, 19:44:49
Just paid. Thanks again for organizing Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: calavera on Tue, 11 March 2014, 22:37:10
Oh man.. I really need the standard pack or the 104 blanks I want is useless to me... decisions decisions....
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: patthebaker17 on Tue, 11 March 2014, 23:03:17
paid! Excited as this gb completes my first board :)
i cannot stand my smooth abs caps
hopefully this will look sick with white backlighting
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Veteranos on Wed, 12 March 2014, 06:36:36
Payment complete!

Thanks Ivan  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Galactic on Wed, 12 March 2014, 08:01:12
Regrettably I have to cancel this order - just got appointed to the OECD forum in Paris on a scholarship and have to save every penny I get. Sorry to let you guys down. Thanks again for your hard work Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Wed, 12 March 2014, 09:36:41
I noticed there was no listing for the 4x extra row E on the PP invoice, and the google form seems to be down. Could you verify that these are part of my order Ivan? Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 12 March 2014, 11:08:01
Only full sets were invoiced at this time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: KennyR on Thu, 13 March 2014, 03:01:57
Paid!
Thank you IvanIvanovich for organising this GB!  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: noons on Thu, 13 March 2014, 08:07:49
Paid. Thank you sir.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: catbuster on Thu, 13 March 2014, 10:51:07
Ivan i will pay tomorrow ! thx for this GB  :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HendyZone on Thu, 13 March 2014, 12:36:28
I will paid the invoice within tomorrow ivan

Thanks and sorry for the delay
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: cmadrid on Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:59:15
I am sorry for any confusion, I thought I had cancelled my order a while ago.. finances have changed since I signed up. 
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: n0rvig on Thu, 13 March 2014, 15:09:58
Sorry Ivan, I'm being lame and sitting on fence on this one.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bazh on Fri, 14 March 2014, 01:30:44
I'll pay the invoice in next week, sorry but the money comes a little late :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lakiozoon on Fri, 14 March 2014, 03:56:08
I know i am late to join this group buy, still, since i have seen some cancelled orders i have to ask is there a way i can join and order a set of blanks?

If not, will you be organizing similar (black thick pbt caps) group buy in the near future?

Regards!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bueller on Fri, 14 March 2014, 05:32:37
Unfortunately I'm going to have to pull out of this now, found myself without a job today.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: phoenix1234 on Fri, 14 March 2014, 05:34:39
I'll pay the invoice in next week, sorry but the money comes a little late :(

Don't worry, I can pay it for you, freely.
Wait, but then I will take them all :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 14 March 2014, 05:38:36
Unfortunately I'm going to have to pull out of this now, found myself without a job today.

Sorry to hear that!

I hope you find something else soon  :thumb:

@ Ivan:

If this is a problem I could cover that order and add something to mine.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Veteranos on Fri, 14 March 2014, 06:12:10
damn..too many cancellations... :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Fri, 14 March 2014, 06:17:40
ya...if there are too many cancellations and not enough people taking them over, i'll be in for another set of blanks
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bazh on Fri, 14 March 2014, 06:48:01
I'll pay the invoice in next week, sorry but the money comes a little late :(

Don't worry, I can pay it for you, freely.
Wait, but then I will take them all :p

Then I'll wait and rob from you :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: boost on Fri, 14 March 2014, 08:23:11
paid.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: mizzack on Fri, 14 March 2014, 08:40:22
I'm also wondering if I can get in on one of the cancellations for the standard set...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lakiozoon on Fri, 14 March 2014, 11:29:26
I snached one, weeeee:)
Thanks Ivan!
Invoice paid,

Regards!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: mizzack on Fri, 14 March 2014, 13:24:36
Also got in for a set and the invoice has been paid.  :cool:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: calavera on Fri, 14 March 2014, 23:52:02
So what are the chances of the standard set going into production at this point? It seems it will never reach the MOQ. :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 15 March 2014, 08:00:15
I will guess that the GMK add ons are not looking likely at this time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Six on Sat, 15 March 2014, 11:58:11
I'm willing to go in for another full blank set +4 extra keys if you want to throw me another invoice, Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: citanest on Sat, 15 March 2014, 20:34:10
I did not receive an invoice.  I signed up for this awhile ago.  What should i do?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: hipsterman on Sun, 16 March 2014, 19:32:52
Paid up, thanks for the gb!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: catbuster on Mon, 17 March 2014, 16:00:13
Paid ;3
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tutuling on Tue, 18 March 2014, 13:52:40
Paid! thanks for the gb!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Vibex on Tue, 18 March 2014, 14:05:38
How many people have yet to pay?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ynrozturk on Tue, 18 March 2014, 14:22:02
Me. Something is wrong with accounting which my company is trying to figure out, and I'm waiting to get paid still. Better get paid by tomorrow or I'm going to be pissed.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CK Briefs on Tue, 18 March 2014, 14:53:08
And my paypal is being a btch atm as well
Gimme like a couple days
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: RiGS on Tue, 18 March 2014, 18:01:34
Any chance I can still buy 2 blank & 2 PBT CHERRY BLACK on BLACK & 1 russian sets dyesub $75 sets?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CK Briefs on Tue, 18 March 2014, 18:04:31
I believe Ivan bought the rest of the MOQ (<9 sets?); so pm him
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Ound on Wed, 19 March 2014, 03:45:07
I believe there should be plenty of cancellations to hop on, it's about 400 people interested, it's granted that some of them changed their mind whether because of circumstances or just like that, but yeah, best way to know that is to PM Ivan. ^^
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: calavera on Wed, 19 March 2014, 09:26:14
Just paid as well. Sorry for the long delay Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HendyZone on Wed, 19 March 2014, 09:45:28
Paid too ivan, sorry for the long delay :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: cookiesowns on Wed, 19 March 2014, 10:14:34
Hey Ivan,

Sorry for the delays. Been out of town. I'll get the invoice paid ASAP. The Addon pack is included in my invoice correct?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 19 March 2014, 10:17:53
No, add on pack won't be invoiced until/if it makes the MOQ.
There will likely be quite a few sets that will need to be picked up. There have been a LOT of cancellations for this buy, even more so than what I expected. I am kind of surprised about it since you can't get sets like these from anywhere else. Anyway, I will post what needs to be picked up in a few more days.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: yakitysax on Wed, 19 March 2014, 13:25:29
Paid and such
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: jmw on Wed, 19 March 2014, 13:38:19
I'll happily take up to 2 of the black-on-black (2nd in the OP) if there are cancelations.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: stancato9 on Wed, 19 March 2014, 20:44:21
Do the invoices absolutely have to be paid tonight? I can get it paid if I must, but it would help if I could send it tomorrow.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: elenhendi on Thu, 20 March 2014, 03:16:22
Paid. Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CriticalHit on Thu, 20 March 2014, 03:35:53
I paid a while back, forgot to post : /
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: j0hnny on Thu, 20 March 2014, 05:36:23
Paid earlier today at work. what do we do now?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 20 March 2014, 05:40:57
Paid earlier today at work. what do we do now?

Now we wait.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Strike on Thu, 20 March 2014, 07:03:44
Not sure if I have to reply, but paid invoice as soon as I got it. Thanks Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 20 March 2014, 11:46:46
We still have 52! unpaid orders. Please pay your invoices.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 20 March 2014, 15:00:25
We still have 52! unpaid orders. Please pay your invoices.

I paid!  I paid!

(Late, but I paid...)   :-[
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Ound on Thu, 20 March 2014, 19:01:48
Oh damn, that's quite a number. I paid as soon as I got it, I hope it got through. ^^
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Michael on Thu, 20 March 2014, 19:21:18
via naasfu:


(http://i.imgur.com/7kIpHbV.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 20 March 2014, 19:45:22
Wow 52?! For shame.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Vibex on Thu, 20 March 2014, 19:58:21
We still have 52! unpaid orders. Please pay your invoices.
52, god damn. If I had some money I'd help you out and pick up a few of the extras. Still might, but I just bought a bunch of keycaps and a new hard drive. If there are still a ton left after my next paycheck comes though, I'll pick some up. Also there should be some way to hold people accountable for not going through on group buys. It's really a **** move. You should only promise to pay if you actually can.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 20 March 2014, 20:35:21
I just paid. One less order.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: naasfu on Thu, 20 March 2014, 20:51:50
Man, 50+ unpaid invoices.  Pay up, *****es!

Please don't leave Ivan and the rest of your fellow GHers hanging.  These are going to be some great keysets.  If you really can't afford to hold onto them, I'm sure they'll be easy to resell in Classifieds.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: familynight on Thu, 20 March 2014, 22:44:47
Paid.  Sorry for the lateness.  Just completely lost track of the email.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: phantomz on Thu, 20 March 2014, 23:36:25
I paid a couple days ago.

Thanks Ivan for setting up this group buy. I can't wait.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Fri, 21 March 2014, 00:23:43
oh wow... can't believe it was so many,  were most of them lurkers?  noticed ALOT of single digit post counts here.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 21 March 2014, 00:29:51
When I ordered, I had plenty of cash :p

Now the paypal's empty :'(

But I do have plenty of **** at my house that I will sell if I can't get the money by the deadline ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Ridillz on Fri, 21 March 2014, 02:12:59
I don't even have a post count and I payed mine the day I got the email. I've never done a group buy, I just assumed when someone signs up for something like this they have the money to hand and set it aside. I guess not.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Fri, 21 March 2014, 02:32:03
I don't even have a post count and I payed mine the day I got the email. I've never done a group buy, I just assumed when someone signs up for something like this they have the money to hand and set it aside. I guess not.

that's what I do.  From what I've seen, most people are pretty good for things usually.  but this particular GB is pretty harsh...  50 or > 1/6 of orders is pretty extreme.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Shinryuu on Fri, 21 March 2014, 05:53:21
Mhh, let's hope everything goes just fine :-X
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 21 March 2014, 06:44:45
Just joined late, for one of the unspoken for sets and have pm'd my info to Ivan. I'll be able to pay as soon as the invoice comes in on my end, assuming my email doesn't eat it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Fri, 21 March 2014, 08:07:52
When I ordered, I had plenty of cash :p

Now the paypal's empty :'(

But I do have plenty of **** at my house that I will sell if I can't get the money by the deadline ;D

The deadline was a few days after invoicing...at this point anyone who hasn't paid is just delaying the entire process for everyone who paid in a timely manner.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lolkey on Fri, 21 March 2014, 10:22:26
I can pick up the slack on a nonpaid order for a black blank set if need be. just shoot me a pm with details. i'm in the US.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 21 March 2014, 12:41:09
I sent out final notices. I hope most people will take care of things... if not I suppose orders will have to reopen as I certainly can't swing so many sets myself.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: citanest on Fri, 21 March 2014, 12:45:42
Thanks.  just paid.  sorry for the delay.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: citanest on Fri, 21 March 2014, 12:46:05
just paid.  thank you.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: cookiesowns on Fri, 21 March 2014, 12:51:25
I sent out final notices. I hope most people will take care of things... if not I suppose orders will have to reopen as I certainly can't swing so many sets myself.

Sorry about that, invoice paid!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: kaiyul on Fri, 21 March 2014, 13:37:34
I sent out final notices. I hope most people will take care of things... if not I suppose orders will have to reopen as I certainly can't swing so many sets myself.

Sorry about the delay. I didn't recognize your username from the initial email and since it didn't contain anything in the email/invoice regarding the PBT keycaps, I had totally passed over it.

I received another email this morning with reference to the PBT keycaps and it totally jogged my memory. Jumped on PayPal and send the money over. Once again, I'm sorry for the delay!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Nubbles on Fri, 21 March 2014, 14:01:39
I'm sorry that I haven't paid yet, but I posted earlier in the thread on page 21, before MOQ, that I wanted to cancel my order.  Others had done the same, so I thought I was fine.  Unfortunately I've been out of the country for the past week and a half, otherwise I would have tried to sort this out sooner.  I PMed you, Ivan about this a day or two ago.
Once again I'm sorry that this has gone so far, but I was just following suit.  People said to order even if you were unsure because you could cancel later, so that's what I did.  I don't know if there was something more I was supposed to do to cancel or anything, but it's evident there was some confusion somewhere, which sucks for everyone unfortunately.
Because of the situation with so many unpaid orders, I'm consider buying my set anyway.  I'd rather not leave this in such a bad situation, but I haven't been intending on purchasing this for a while now.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Furobins on Fri, 21 March 2014, 15:38:07
Payment sent.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 21 March 2014, 15:42:23
Paid
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ynrozturk on Fri, 21 March 2014, 19:53:11
I will have to opt out of  this. Apologies to everyone - I really wanted that set, too. I need it. However medical concerns and bills are more important.

Sorry guys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Keytrun on Fri, 21 March 2014, 20:16:47
You got my payment a while ago, right Ivan? Just want to make sure.

How many more people need to pay before this thing can go to production?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 22 March 2014, 12:49:17
I'll need to take some time to get everything checked on paid orders and take away those that have cancelled to get a proper total... but at a quick glance I guess orders will need to reopen for a little bit as we are at least 40 sets short now. I have a vendor that has expressed some interest in possibly taking care of half that so fingers crossed we can get back to MOQ again fairly quick as not to cause a long delay for those that paid promptly.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Vibex on Sat, 22 March 2014, 13:19:59
I'll need to take some time to get everything checked on paid orders and take away those that have cancelled to get a proper total... but at a quick glance I guess orders will need to reopen for a little bit as we are at least 40 sets short now. I have a vendor that has expressed some interest in possibly taking care of half that so fingers crossed we can get back to MOQ again fairly quick as not to cause a long delay for those that paid promptly.
Sorry it had to come to this. Like I said before, I might be able to grab a second when my next pay check comes.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: whiteduck on Sat, 22 March 2014, 15:30:32
paid, sorry late >_<
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: fknraiden on Sun, 23 March 2014, 15:44:28
Hey. If anyone is ordering for alphas. I'd be interested in covering some of the cost for the modifiers. If you are interested just shoot me a Msg.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: FreeCopy on Sun, 23 March 2014, 17:09:36
I'll need to take some time to get everything checked on paid orders and take away those that have cancelled to get a proper total... but at a quick glance I guess orders will need to reopen for a little bit as we are at least 40 sets short now. I have a vendor that has expressed some interest in possibly taking care of half that so fingers crossed we can get back to MOQ again fairly quick as not to cause a long delay for those that paid promptly.

If available I can pick up a set of cherry black on black dyesub and can pay immediately.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 24 March 2014, 12:00:08
For those interested in picking up full sets please PM to me with the following:
email address, real name and physical mailing address (if you are outside the US a telephone number for the customs form) and what you would like.
example:
ivanivanovich@mail.su

Ivan Ivanovich
Kremlin
Moscow, Russia, 103073
+7 495 695-37-76

1 blank set
Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 24 March 2014, 12:08:23
For those interested in picking up full sets please PM to me with the following:
email address, real name and physical mailing address (if you are outside the US a telephone number for the customs form) and what you would like.
example:
ivanivanovich@mail.su

Ivan Ivanovich
Kremlin
Moscow, Russia, 103073
+7 495 695-37-76

1 blank set
Thanks.

Is this for people who haven't already ordered?

I already paid my invoice. Do I need to send information again?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 24 March 2014, 12:09:41
Only applies to new orders to pick up unpaid/cancelled orders so we can return to MOQ.
If you have already paid your order and do not want anything additional you do not need to do anything further.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 24 March 2014, 12:12:23
Only applies to new orders to pick up unpaid/cancelled orders so we can return to MOQ.
If you have already paid your order and do not want anything additional you do not need to do anything further.

Do you have an estimate of how far off we are? I'll probably pick up a couple sets of blanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: FreeCopy on Mon, 24 March 2014, 13:40:42
For those interested in picking up full sets please PM to me with the following:
email address, real name and physical mailing address (if you are outside the US a telephone number for the customs form) and what you would like.
example:
ivanivanovich@mail.su

Ivan Ivanovich
Kremlin
Moscow, Russia, 103073
+7 495 695-37-76

1 blank set
Thanks.

That was fast. PMed, invoiced, paid.

Thanks, Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lolkey on Tue, 25 March 2014, 05:15:34
Anyone order a blank set? How much did it come to shipped to the US?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 25 March 2014, 09:19:46
Anyone order a blank set? How much did it come to shipped to the US?

I was invoiced a total of $64.48 for shipping to Chicago.  55 (blanks) + 3 (GB fee) + 4 (S&H)  + 2.48 (PayPal fee)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 25 March 2014, 10:26:03
Thanks to those of you that have picked up some of the cancelled orders. We are still about 30 sets short.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:05:18
Invoice received and paid!

Kind of wish I added the ergodox layout, if you want to re-invoice me with that one included I'll pay for it also.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:11:04
Invoice received and paid!

Kind of wish I added the ergodox layout, if you want to re-invoice me with that one included I'll pay for it also.

I do not believe the ergodox is available as it did not meet the MOQ.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 1cubesolver on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:11:51
Invoice received and paid. Glad I was able to get in on this. Thanks Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: n7 on Tue, 25 March 2014, 14:13:07
Paid for my 2nd invoice. Thanks!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 25 March 2014, 17:11:54
Invoice received and paid!

Kind of wish I added the ergodox layout, if you want to re-invoice me with that one included I'll pay for it also.

I do not believe the ergodox is available as it did not meet the MOQ.

Oh ok, probably for the best as I seem to be on an spending spree.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: wthefourth on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:33:11
Paid invoice this morning! Can't wait to see those glorious black on black dyesubs.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: chromeeye on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:35:58
Paid for additional invoice. Thanks Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Kfactork on Tue, 25 March 2014, 21:19:19
Anyone order a blank set? How much did it come to shipped to the US?

My shipping was only $5. $3 GB and 4% fee ppf though, so around $10 in fess if you are going for one set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 26 March 2014, 14:40:20
Which sets need picked up to hit MOQ? Are they the blank or the dyesub ones?

I might be interested :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 26 March 2014, 14:42:14
Any style. MOQ is for total sets so it doesn't matter which ones at all as long as it's 300 all together.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 26 March 2014, 14:44:03
Any style. MOQ is for total sets so it doesn't matter which ones at all as long as it's 300 all together.
Okay, let me think about this, I might be down for blank  :thumb:

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Jakreem on Wed, 26 March 2014, 16:09:17
Paid.

Thanks for setting this up Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 26 March 2014, 16:21:17
PM sent :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: neunelfer on Wed, 26 March 2014, 17:06:47
What is the current number of remaining sets to reach MOQ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 26 March 2014, 17:49:37
I wish there was an option to buy a blank set and side print it in Russian.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 27 March 2014, 02:36:13
I wish there was an option to buy a blank set and side print it in Russian.

From the OP: "For those interested in resell, if you order 20+ PBT set I will do set up for any other layout in any font you wish. In addition for 20+ set volume order the groupbuy fee is waived and you will get free uninsured shipping."

So you just have to order 20 or more sets (perhaps you can organise a mini GroupBuy for it?) and you can get it (assuming IMSTO can do the side printing)  :D

I check this thread every day to see how it's progressing. I REALLY want these sets.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: spearman on Thu, 27 March 2014, 03:46:51
Me too.

A question about profiles: what is 'Cherry Profile' compatible with besides Cherry boards? For instance, I have a G80 that I plan to put these on; but would they also mount on a standard profile board with cherry stem, albeit at a lower profile? Or are they pretty much only usable on Cherry boards (eg G80, G81...)?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Thu, 27 March 2014, 04:09:31
profile doesn't really affect compatibility with boards.  just the width of keys and stem placement on keys like capslock.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 27 March 2014, 06:37:10
Cherry profile means it's identical to those stock keys on Cherry G80/G81 having the exact same height and key shapes. Set is perfectly compatible with all other 104/87/61 MX keyboard like Filco, CM, Ducky, etc.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: sean4star on Fri, 28 March 2014, 13:58:38
How short are we from MOQ?  Last I saw it sounded like a fair number had dropped out.  Does it look like there is a chance of getting back up to MOQ anytime in the near future?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Yslen on Fri, 28 March 2014, 14:33:46
Order placed, invoice received and paid :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 28 March 2014, 16:05:01
We are currently 24 sets short to MOQ. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get back.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: sean4star on Fri, 28 March 2014, 16:53:10
Ah, good.  We're close than I thought.  Hopefully not too much longer...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: minho on Fri, 28 March 2014, 18:15:41
Ordered through the form that was linked on r/mechanicalkeyboards. Stated that order was for blank set underneath my addressed, and PM'ed you too to clarify order (didn't think to post in this thread until now, doh). Thanks :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Mooby on Sat, 29 March 2014, 06:39:11
We are currently 24 sets short to MOQ. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get back.


Is this only for the GMK addons or would it still be posible to order a black on black PBT set?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lakiozoon on Sat, 29 March 2014, 07:56:47
We are currently 24 sets short to MOQ. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get back.


Is this only for the GMK addons or would it still be posible to order a black on black PBT set?

It is possible to order black on black, PM Ivan and he'll send you an invoice.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Mooby on Sat, 29 March 2014, 11:58:29
We are currently 24 sets short to MOQ. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get back.


Is this only for the GMK addons or would it still be posible to order a black on black PBT set?

It is possible to order black on black, PM Ivan and he'll send you an invoice.

It was no problem to place an order. I was just irritated by the "orders closed" message in the op.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 29 March 2014, 12:12:25
That's weird... I did have a whole thing in the OP about the current status that I updated a few days ago. I wonder what happened to it?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: minho on Sat, 29 March 2014, 16:50:06
Ivan, can you cancel my invoice and reinvoice me? I sent you a PM yesterday about it with my paypal email.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Psybin on Sat, 29 March 2014, 17:06:36
Sorry if this has been covered somewhere, but once the number is reached, how long does it take to make them, then ship them out?
This set is going on the CODE I ordered yesterday, will be so awesome.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 29 March 2014, 17:18:12
Production time will probably be a couple months, but I won't know for certain until it's paid and they can tell me how the order will fit in their production schedule.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Sevas on Sun, 30 March 2014, 13:46:32
Invoice received and paid! Thank you Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: echo0 on Sun, 30 March 2014, 14:18:11
Invoice received and paid. Thanks!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 30 March 2014, 14:28:09
I'm still not sure my choice of blanks was the best idea, I need to decide...

Either way these things are going to be awesome but I just don't know what I want  :-\
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lakiozoon on Sun, 30 March 2014, 16:08:59
I'm still not sure my choice of blanks was the best idea, I need to decide...

Either way these things are going to be awesome but I just don't know what I want  :-\

Get both:)

I've been thinking of setting blanks to modifier keys and regular ones on letters/numbers.
Still thinking....
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: naasfu on Sun, 30 March 2014, 16:11:52
I'm still not sure my choice of blanks was the best idea, I need to decide...

Either way these things are going to be awesome but I just don't know what I want  :-\

Get both:)

I've been thinking of setting blanks to modifier keys and regular ones on letters/numbers.
Still thinking....

Yes, get both.  :)  A combo of both as lakiozoon suggested sounds like it would look good.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: itsaferbie on Sun, 30 March 2014, 17:31:24
Paid!  :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 31 March 2014, 18:00:49
Rebooted my signature to hopefully help lure in the last of em...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TBone on Tue, 01 April 2014, 12:42:45
Ivan I just made an account to buy a blank set, but I just have a few questions.

1) I still have to set up a paypal - I'll do that tonight. Will I have enough time to pay you in time?

2) About how much do you think it will cost in total to ship to the midwest? EDIT: Nevermind someone answered that, ~$65

3) About when do you think I can expect to get these?

Thanks, so much though man. This set is exactly what I've been looking for.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 01 April 2014, 12:49:19
A paypal account isn't strictly necessary as it will allow you to pay with credit/debit card without an account. I don't have a hard eta yet as it depends on the factory production schedule but it's safe to assume at least 6-8 weeks from when payment is made to production.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TBone on Tue, 01 April 2014, 16:28:24
Just PM'd you, it's going to be a hard and long wait, but so worth it!   :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TBone on Wed, 02 April 2014, 14:15:31
Just paid the invoice! Now the wait starts...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 02 April 2014, 17:04:57
Black on black is another fad...just coming back around again...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Unknown01011010 on Thu, 03 April 2014, 10:41:27
Got the invoice and paid!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: RexxxBosworth on Fri, 04 April 2014, 04:44:54
All right, invoice was received and paid. The wait begins...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 04 April 2014, 06:38:01
Ivan any update?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bazh on Fri, 04 April 2014, 07:18:03
yeah, how many set left to production phase?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 April 2014, 07:57:40
Still need 10 more set ordered.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Ound on Fri, 04 April 2014, 08:11:10
So close, yet so far. :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: atlas3686 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 08:22:53
Still need 10 more set ordered.

Come on guys just 10 more and these are awesome!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: VileRocK on Fri, 04 April 2014, 15:31:25
I'm from the UK so would only be interested if I could get the ISO mods with the set. Does "GMK standard: 33/400" mean that only 33 others have ordered the ISO mods and they're not going to be produced?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CK Briefs on Fri, 04 April 2014, 15:40:17
I'm from the UK so would only be interested if I could get the ISO mods with the set. Does "GMK standard: 33/400" mean that only 33 others have ordered the ISO mods and they're not going to be produced?

Definitely not able to get any of the other sets, only the standard sets (ANSI) are going to be produced since they're much closer to MOQ. Sorry :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:30:12
...but
Quote
Aurebesh:DARKSIDE - $75
are awesome!!!

+1
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CK Briefs on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:34:24

...but
Quote
Aurebesh:DARKSIDE - $75
are awesome!!!

+1

Those are part of the 300~ sets to be produced
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:39:27
...but
Quote
Aurebesh:DARKSIDE - $75
are awesome!!!

+1

get a set (or 10) to help us get to MOQ! only need ~10 more orders as of this morning.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:40:28
Those are part of the 300~ sets to be produced

Even better...(opens wallet, moths fly out)

Dern...

Looking forward to the Novelty Keycap GB coming up...

Go IVAN!!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:41:53
Those are part of the 300~ sets to be produced

Even better...(opens wallet, moths fly out)

Dern...

Looking forward to the Novelty Keycap GB coming up...

Go IVAN!!!

just use the company credit card....nobody will be the wiser!! :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 17:07:10
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: FreeCopy on Fri, 04 April 2014, 17:12:02
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p

I'd but a second set right now with that option, maybe two.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 April 2014, 19:12:53
Going to stick with the options already present though Alienese could be possible for next time if enough are interested.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 19:40:24
Going to stick with the options already present though Alienese could be possible for next time if enough are interested.
Aww yiss, I think they would look better on a classic beige or grey theme anyway.

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Fri, 04 April 2014, 20:38:34
Picked up two cancelled orders.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:01:29
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p

+1

Also, bummed you changed your avatar way back when.   :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TBone on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:04:05
Picked up two cancelled orders.
:D Yay thanks, it will be totally worth it guys, just a few more!!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:07:09
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p

+1

Also, bummed you changed your avatar way back when.   :p
I would gladly change it back if geekhack found a way to improve avatar image quality. I use the planet express logo on every other website and service but it just looks TERRIBLE on here. It is so crystal clear on OCN and it is depressing to look at on here.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:12:12
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p

+1

Also, bummed you changed your avatar way back when.   :p
I would gladly change it back if geekhack found a way to improve avatar image quality. I use the planet express logo on every other website and service but it just looks TERRIBLE on here. It is so crystal clear on OCN and it is depressing to look at on here.

Does it still compress if you "Specify avatar by URL"?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:13:28
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p

+1

Also, bummed you changed your avatar way back when.   :p
I would gladly change it back if geekhack found a way to improve avatar image quality. I use the planet express logo on every other website and service but it just looks TERRIBLE on here. It is so crystal clear on OCN and it is depressing to look at on here.

Does it still compress if you "Specify avatar by URL"?
Yes, it does it no matter what. I have tried everything and it always looks terrible.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:14:05
More
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p

+1

Also, bummed you changed your avatar way back when.   :p
I would gladly change it back if geekhack found a way to improve avatar image quality. I use the planet express logo on every other website and service but it just looks TERRIBLE on here. It is so crystal clear on OCN and it is depressing to look at on here.

Does it still compress if you "Specify avatar by URL"?

Yes, it does it no matter what. I have tried everything and it always looks terrible.

:(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:20:24
I guess this is OK, seems better than last time but still pretty bad.


Are we at MOQ yet? Hopefully we hit it before the end of next week.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:21:51
We had 10 more to go.

Hopefully, we get ten more people to buy by the weekend.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:29:10
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p

+1

Also, bummed you changed your avatar way back when.   :p
I would gladly change it back if geekhack found a way to improve avatar image quality. I use the planet express logo on every other website and service but it just looks TERRIBLE on here. It is so crystal clear on OCN and it is depressing to look at on here.

Does it still compress if you "Specify avatar by URL"?
Yes, it does it no matter what. I have tried everything and it always looks terrible.

Sorry bro. I wish it didn't look poopy. Glad you changed it back though!   :-*
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:43:43
Want a clear good scaling avatar? Use a .png!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 21:45:53
This should have had futurama alienese as a dyesub option  :p

+1

Also, bummed you changed your avatar way back when.   :p
I would gladly change it back if geekhack found a way to improve avatar image quality. I use the planet express logo on every other website and service but it just looks TERRIBLE on here. It is so crystal clear on OCN and it is depressing to look at on here.

Does it still compress if you "Specify avatar by URL"?
Yes, it does it no matter what. I have tried everything and it always looks terrible.

Sorry bro. I wish it didn't look poopy. Glad you changed it back though!   :-*
:D
Want a clear good scaling avatar? Use a .png!
It is .png lol
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 April 2014, 22:39:48
Hehehee... now is it above 256x256? It looks fine for me in Firefox 31 viewed at 1440p anyway. If it was me I would delete the background color box though.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 22:41:17
Hehehee... now is it above 256x256? It looks fine for me in Firefox 31 viewed at 1440p anyway. If it was me I would delete the background color box though.
it's 800x800 and clear backgrounds turn into solid black when used on GH.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 April 2014, 22:43:14
Strange... when I use transparent they stay as such.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 April 2014, 23:00:22
Strange... when I use transparent they stay as such.

Samesies.  Confusing...

HPE, you know what you should do??
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 04 April 2014, 23:08:14
Lol well I will figure this out soon enough.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 05 April 2014, 00:02:34
Use a better source (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs25/i/2008/064/e/9/Planet_Express_Logo_by_Comrade_Max.png)? Problem solved.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 05 April 2014, 00:05:36
Use a better source (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs25/i/2008/064/e/9/Planet_Express_Logo_by_Comrade_Max.png)? Problem solved.
This is the image I want to use, I have it in various sizes, it doesn't work  :'(

http://imgur.com/a/7xxxT

That one turns black as well.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Sat, 05 April 2014, 00:45:33
Hehehee... now is it above 256x256? It looks fine for me in Firefox 31 viewed at 1440p anyway. If it was me I would delete the background color box though.
it's 800x800 and clear backgrounds turn into solid black when used on GH.

what program are you using?

using adobe fire....something always worked for me when other programs failed.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 05 April 2014, 00:51:38
strange?
Looks fine here.
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Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Sat, 05 April 2014, 23:56:30
Aurebesh:DARKSIDE - $75
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)



omfg that is awesome. I'm just now discovering the potential existence of this.

both because star wars, and because black on black.

It almost makes me want to install swtor again... (but i had actually been considering it anyway, if only for the 7 class stories i never finished)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: wilflare on Sun, 06 April 2014, 06:55:05
honestly can't wait to get my hands on my 2sets :X
it's gonna be a long wait :X
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Sun, 06 April 2014, 13:19:33
How many orders left to be picked up?

This has been a slight test of patience but compared to Originative this wait for Cherry black on black is nothing.  I'm still debating getting one more set of dyesub to make dyesub Dolch....
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 06 April 2014, 14:40:34
Still need 10 more order. If I could afford to take more orders myself for post sale I would.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TBone on Sun, 06 April 2014, 16:03:07
Still need 10 more order. If I could afford to take more orders myself for post sale I would.

I'd pick up another set if it guaranteed the order would go through, but I feel like I'd have to wait just as long.

Also, how is it still 10? Did more people cancel?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: dannyp on Sun, 06 April 2014, 16:45:11
I'm putting in an order, PM sent to IvanIvanovich :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Spoot on Sun, 06 April 2014, 19:24:20
Just ordered a blank set. I hope we make it!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: echo0 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 20:51:21
Invoice received and paid.  Thanks!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 07 April 2014, 06:03:26
So how many short are we here? It was 10 short last week when I ordered, it's 10 this week and 2 people yesterday ordered. Rumor has it last month we were still 10 short. Can we stop saying 10 and use the real number so we can actually push to get this to production?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: strict on Mon, 07 April 2014, 07:15:25
So how many short are we here? It was 10 short last week when I ordered, it's 10 this week and 2 people yesterday ordered. Rumor has it last month we were still 10 short. Can we stop saying 10 and use the real number so we can actually push to get this to production?

Dude, chill out. Ivan is as legit as they come. If he says 10 then he means 10.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: atlas3686 on Mon, 07 April 2014, 07:35:41
Ya, it's best to be very relaxed about Group Buys, there are many people involved all of which need to pay. Not to mention the many people who will cancel their orders and who's orders need to be replaced. I've heard nothing but good things about Ivan so I don't think you need to worry.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Mon, 07 April 2014, 07:52:06
If you don't have the patience to join a group buy then you should just buy whatever was in the GB after it has ended, from another member. Complaining does nothing at all.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 07 April 2014, 09:46:04
Even though people have placed orders I have not been counting them until they go to paid status. Assuming the few people that placed their orders over the last couple days pay them shortly our goal will now be met. For anyone that has been on the fence about placing an order today is the last day I will take any new orders.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: weilung on Mon, 07 April 2014, 09:50:39
was directed here from reddit and.... you need 10 more orders right? MIGHT be interested, dependent on how much shipping to malaysia would be.

if its reasonable imo, i might get 4-5 sets to mark up and sell here. but if it's not reasonable I'll just skip.. let me know?

FYI, never knew black on black could be so sexy. <3
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 07 April 2014, 09:51:40
Even though people have placed orders I have not been counting them until they go to paid status. Assuming the few people that placed their orders over the last couple days pay them shortly our goal will now be met. For anyone that has been on the fence about placing an order today is the last day I will take any new orders.

(http://i.imgur.com/uLj0u.gif)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 07 April 2014, 10:06:25
was directed here from reddit and.... you need 10 more orders right? MIGHT be interested, dependent on how much shipping to malaysia would be.

if its reasonable imo, i might get 4-5 sets to mark up and sell here. but if it's not reasonable I'll just skip.. let me know?

FYI, never knew black on black could be so sexy. <3

I'd send Ivan a PM if I were you, just to be sure he gets in touch with you. I sent him a PM about shipping, and he was very quick about getting back to me.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bazh on Mon, 07 April 2014, 10:41:29
was directed here from reddit and.... you need 10 more orders right? MIGHT be interested, dependent on how much shipping to malaysia would be.

if its reasonable imo, i might get 4-5 sets to mark up and sell here. but if it's not reasonable I'll just skip.. let me know?

FYI, never knew black on black could be so sexy. <3
Just shoot him a pm

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 07 April 2014, 11:47:49
was directed here from reddit and.... you need 10 more orders right? MIGHT be interested, dependent on how much shipping to malaysia would be.

if its reasonable imo, i might get 4-5 sets to mark up and sell here. but if it's not reasonable I'll just skip.. let me know?

FYI, never knew black on black could be so sexy. <3

Always bet on "black on black".

This is the last day.

PM Ivan soon.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 07 April 2014, 17:21:01
Even though people have placed orders I have not been counting them until they go to paid status. Assuming the few people that placed their orders over the last couple days pay them shortly our goal will now be met. For anyone that has been on the fence about placing an order today is the last day I will take any new orders.

AW YEAH!! If you're a couple short to get it to production I am more than willing to send payment for 2 or 3 more, please let me know.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 07 April 2014, 17:39:56
Thank you Ivan. I'm excited for these.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Ound on Tue, 08 April 2014, 11:16:42
Gratz everyone on the reached MOQ, so the wait begins!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Tue, 08 April 2014, 13:03:23
HUZZAH for black on black.  Today was a good day, my dream keysets finally hit MOQ
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 13:11:01
Hooray for this set finally going to production. It's been a long journey for some here (myself not included) Excited for both my first PBT set and my first set of blanks. I just hope PBT doesn't spoil all the ABS sets I've shelled out for already for me :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: strict on Tue, 08 April 2014, 14:11:13
Hooray for this set finally going to production. It's been a long journey for some here (myself not included) Excited for both my first PBT set and my first set of blanks. I just hope PBT doesn't spoil all the ABS sets I've shelled out for already for me :P

This GB is what I created my GH account for back in Nov 2013! Im beyond excited for this set to finally go to production!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: catbuster on Tue, 08 April 2014, 14:33:02
YAY cant wait to get these ;3
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Veteranos on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:06:58
The dream is finally true!!! Thanks Ivan  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:26:06
Gratz everyone on the reached MOQ, so the wait begins!

When did Ivan say we reached MOQ?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:46:11
Gratz everyone on the reached MOQ, so the wait begins!

When did Ivan say we reached MOQ?

Edited the first post
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Candyflip on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:50:27
Gratz everyone on the reached MOQ, so the wait begins!

When did Ivan say we reached MOQ?
In the OP
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 15:59:51
 :D

I cannot wait, thank you ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:18:10
Yes now we are all ready to go as soon as I have all the final info from PLUM. I will keep you all updated when I know definite time table for production and etc.
I know this buy was a long road and thanks to all of you that stuck with it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Kfactork on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:21:17
Yes now we are all ready to go as soon as I have all the final info from PLUM. I will keep you all updated when I know definite time table for production and etc.
I know this buy was a long road and thanks to all of you that stuck with it.
That feel...
Thanks Ivan for all your efforts  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: atlas3686 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:23:54
Yes now we are all ready to go as soon as I have all the final info from PLUM. I will keep you all updated when I know definite time table for production and etc.
I know this buy was a long road and thanks to all of you that stuck with it.

Thank you for all the effort  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: lakiozoon on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:33:28
Cheers!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Mooby on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:52:08
Great to hear things are getting serious.

Are there news regarding the 4 extra keys?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Rewind on Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:03:18
Yes now we are all ready to go as soon as I have all the final info from PLUM. I will keep you all updated when I know definite time table for production and etc.
I know this buy was a long road and thanks to all of you that stuck with it.
u da man, man
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:33:48
The extra 4 keys is one of the things I need to get resolved still. Since more people wanted the extras than not I was looking into getting all 104 changed to 108s. Now that everything is good to go I dropped an email and just need to wait and hear back.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: FreeCopy on Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:35:42
Thank you Ivan. I'm glad I was able to get in on this as late in the game as I did.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:40:33
Also throwing in my vote for the 108s, although I would be fine with just 104s. Wouldn't mind paying an extra dollar or two if that's what it comes down to.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 18:11:31
Yes now we are all ready to go as soon as I have all the final info from PLUM. I will keep you all updated when I know definite time table for production and etc.
I know this buy was a long road and thanks to all of you that stuck with it.

Yay!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: bazh on Tue, 08 April 2014, 22:35:45
Great to hear :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 09 April 2014, 01:27:42
Fantastic! Great to hear! Got a nice, warm, settled feeling now :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: atlas3686 on Wed, 09 April 2014, 01:46:33
Also throwing in my vote for the 108s, although I would be fine with just 104s. Wouldn't mind paying an extra dollar or two if that's what it comes down to.

Feel the same way.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: mljs54 on Wed, 09 April 2014, 08:50:06
Let me know if anybody bought extra sets of any of the base printed caps and feels generous enough to sell me one for the GB price.  Got a new MX board same day as the orders closed and would love these caps for it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 09 April 2014, 10:31:38
I can't believe that more people are not interested in the addon pack with all the windowed keys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: CriticalHit on Wed, 09 April 2014, 10:37:18
Yea, I'm all for just making the 104 into a 108, would I need to pay more?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 09 April 2014, 12:15:06
I am trying to negotiate them to add the extra 4 keys at the same price point. While waiting to see how that goes imsto should have some sample keys from PLUM real soon to make sure it's the color we want and to check the dyesub goes well on them before the order is finaled.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: strict on Wed, 09 April 2014, 12:33:59
I am trying to negotiate them to add the extra 4 keys at the same price point. While waiting to see how that goes imsto should have some sample keys from PLUM real soon to make sure it's the color we want and to check the dyesub goes well on them before the order is finaled.

If things go well with the sample keys I'm sure a lot of us would love to see some pictures of the finished product :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TBone on Wed, 09 April 2014, 14:28:44
I am trying to negotiate them to add the extra 4 keys at the same price point. While waiting to see how that goes imsto should have some sample keys from PLUM real soon to make sure it's the color we want and to check the dyesub goes well on them before the order is finaled.

AHHH I'm so excited!!
(http://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: fydo on Fri, 11 April 2014, 21:05:11
Awesome, I'd definitely be willing to pay a bit extra to make it 108 as you described!

Super excited about this GB. Thanks again Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 14 April 2014, 23:33:51
Is everyone paid?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: ssdt on Tue, 15 April 2014, 07:07:48
can't wait to add them to my poker  ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 15 April 2014, 07:31:15
Yes everything is still on track. Just waiting on sample review and approval.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: catcradle5 on Thu, 17 April 2014, 18:56:58
Hi, is it still possible to get in on this? I'd like to order the blank keycaps if possible. (Also sent a PM to Ivan.)

Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Fri, 18 April 2014, 08:48:54
So how can we expect this to roll out? First come first serve, how many shipping waves will it be appx or will all be coming in and going out at once?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 18 April 2014, 09:03:33
I will get the entire order at once. How long it takes me to send out the individual orders will depend, but typically I get it done in 1-2 weeks after receive.
I still have not heard back regarding dyesub test yet.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: pdkl55 on Fri, 18 April 2014, 13:11:12
oops, i love black on black. But i missed it >.<
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Fri, 18 April 2014, 13:34:38
That sounds much more efficient than I was expecting. Cudos.

So what's your next venture after this is all said and done, Ivan?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: TBone on Fri, 18 April 2014, 13:54:01
I will get the entire order at once. How long it takes me to send out the individual orders will depend, but typically I get it done in 1-2 weeks after receive.
I still have not heard back regarding dyesub test yet.

Ahhh!  :confused:

The wait is killing me, how long do you think until we see some keys? Does it normally take them this long to respond?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Lu_e on Fri, 18 April 2014, 14:17:30
Wont the people who just got blanks get them a bit sooner?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 18 April 2014, 14:44:19
Wont the people who just got blanks get them a bit sooner?
I hope :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Fri, 18 April 2014, 14:52:57
Wont the people who just got blanks get them a bit sooner?
I hope :P

Me too but lets not get our hopes up!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Fri, 18 April 2014, 17:58:41
Wont the people who just got blanks get them a bit sooner?

Hasn't been that way the previous 2 rounds, don't put too much into this.

Let Ivan handle this the way he has the past times and don't have unrealistic expectations.  Expect 4-6 weeks at a minimum after Ivan gets the sample to verify the dyesubbing.

Check the previous groupbuy threads to see how progress and information was doled out, there is a track record to this and an established pattern.

You were warned about the wait prior to signing up.  This is a GROUP buy.  It is a purchase as a group and no one is a special snowflake.  I expect my blank and my dyesubbed set to show up at the same time and with the same level of QC and handling for both. 

There will be updates and QC and all that good stuff so we get a great product.  I am not going to be expecting a rush just for impatience.

Patience is a virtue. 
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: tbc on Fri, 18 April 2014, 18:01:58
i asked about the blanks being quicker.  not happening.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Kfactork on Fri, 18 April 2014, 18:02:16
Wont the people who just got blanks get them a bit sooner?
Hasn't been that way the previous 2 rounds, don't put too much into this.
Let Ivan handle this the way he has the past times and don't have unrealistic expectations.  Expect 4-6 weeks at a minimum after Ivan gets the sample to verify the dyesubbing.
Check the previous groupbuy threads to see how progress and information was doled out, there is a track record to this and an established pattern.
You were warned about the wait prior to signing up.  This is a GROUP buy.  It is a purchase as a group and no one is a special snowflake.  I expect my blank and my dyesubbed set to show up at the same time and with the same level of QC and handling for both. 
There will be updates and QC and all that good stuff so we get a great product.  I am not going to be expecting a rush just for impatience.
Patience is a virtue.
Hear hear.  ^-^
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 18 April 2014, 19:35:41
Wont the people who just got blanks get them a bit sooner?

Hasn't been that way the previous 2 rounds, don't put too much into this.

Let Ivan handle this the way he has the past times and don't have unrealistic expectations.  Expect 4-6 weeks at a minimum after Ivan gets the sample to verify the dyesubbing.

Check the previous groupbuy threads to see how progress and information was doled out, there is a track record to this and an established pattern.

You were warned about the wait prior to signing up.  This is a GROUP buy.  It is a purchase as a group and no one is a special snowflake.  I expect my blank and my dyesubbed set to show up at the same time and with the same level of QC and handling for both. 

There will be updates and QC and all that good stuff so we get a great product.  I am not going to be expecting a rush just for impatience.

Patience is a virtue.
It was simply asked because the blank ones aren't going to need any dyesubbing, therefore that is one less step. The person didn't mean anything by it and surely wasn't looking for any special treatment. If in the past the blank shipped at the same time as the dyesubbed, okay, that is all they needed to know. No need to be so offended by a simple question.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Sat, 19 April 2014, 07:29:32
Wont the people who just got blanks get them a bit sooner?

Hasn't been that way the previous 2 rounds, don't put too much into this.

Let Ivan handle this the way he has the past times and don't have unrealistic expectations.  Expect 4-6 weeks at a minimum after Ivan gets the sample to verify the dyesubbing.

Check the previous groupbuy threads to see how progress and information was doled out, there is a track record to this and an established pattern.

You were warned about the wait prior to signing up.  This is a GROUP buy.  It is a purchase as a group and no one is a special snowflake.  I expect my blank and my dyesubbed set to show up at the same time and with the same level of QC and handling for both. 

There will be updates and QC and all that good stuff so we get a great product.  I am not going to be expecting a rush just for impatience.

Patience is a virtue.

Yes, boss. Sorry, boss. It won't happen again, boss.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: t2russo on Sat, 19 April 2014, 10:37:24
Another case of me being too juiced up at work on caffeine methinks.   :-\

The last black on black dyesub (vortex) had issues with people and the dyesubbing, so butts were hurt and complaints were had about legibility.  Originative's black otaku set got delayed because of color QC issues on the keys themselves.

The nicer, better point for me to make:

There are TWO steps to this process and places for it to get screwed up.  To prevent a 50/50 "some people have keys and need stuff fixed, other people are ok" situation, it will be easier to keep things lumped together so that the party responsible for the keys at each step (PLUM at manufacturing, IMSTO at dyesubbing, IVAN at final distribution) has full accountability and say before things get moved on or rushed.

I hate waiting for things too.  A LOT.  This is one thing I'm definitely going to exercise my best patience on, since this is the FIRST black on black Cherry-thickness buy ever, and the FIRST winkey black Cherry-PBT buy probably in the history of keyboards (seriously, what keyboard came with these?). 

MY personal attitude is that I need to be ok with waiting for these and letting the process run because  A) I've seen almost identical buys run to completion and I have faith in the parties involved and B) This product should be so friggin good that it should be worth it despite the bumps in getting to MOQ already.

Black is guud.  I shuld be nice and share black nicely.  Sorry :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: strict on Sat, 19 April 2014, 10:51:41
I think shipping cost's would also factor into to whether or not the blanks ship out separately. I'm sure a lot of people, like me, ordered a dyesub set and a blank set which would mean double the shipping costs to ship two packages vs one (plus more time & effort).

I'm more than fine waiting for this process to take as absolutely long as needed. These keys should/will be amazing and amazing things take time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 + GMK ABS add ons
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 19 April 2014, 11:25:48
I think some of you guys already answered these questions the same as me. :))
But yes you are exactly right. This is a first for many things. First time dealing with PLUM as a keycap source, first time of Cherry black PBTs, first time of imstos dyesub peeps dealing with dyesubbing on black... there will need to be extra checks to ensure everything comes out in the best way possible to avoid a big disappointment.
Shipping cost is also the exact reason I don't do splits on blank and printed as it makes no sense to pay shipping to me 2x. While I could do that, I would need to increase group buy fees to cover such thing.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: wthefourth on Sun, 20 April 2014, 23:20:52
Hope the extra 4 keys come through! Any idea what the extra 4 would look like for the black on black standard set?

Thanks for being so thorough, Ivan!  :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 21 April 2014, 12:34:25
The 4 extra top row keys will be included in each set. Obviously will also be blank on blank set, US set will have I - IV, US/RU will have some additional Soviet icons, Aurebesh will have some additional dark side icons.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: cphead on Mon, 21 April 2014, 12:45:57
The 4 extra top row keys will be included in each set. Obviously will also be blank on blank set, US set will have I - IV, US/RU will have some additional Soviet icons, Aurebesh will have some additional dark side icons.

Schweet. Great job Ivan  :thumb: Now for the samples ..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: wthefourth on Mon, 21 April 2014, 12:55:15
The 4 extra top row keys will be included in each set. Obviously will also be blank on blank set, US set will have I - IV, US/RU will have some additional Soviet icons, Aurebesh will have some additional dark side icons.
I love you.  :-*
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Kfactork on Mon, 21 April 2014, 12:56:38
The 4 extra top row keys will be included in each set. Obviously will also be blank on blank set, US set will have I - IV, US/RU will have some additional Soviet icons, Aurebesh will have some additional dark side icons.
Woohoo. This is cool.
Thanks Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Mon, 21 April 2014, 13:29:11
The 4 extra top row keys will be included in each set. Obviously will also be blank on blank set, US set will have I - IV, US/RU will have some additional Soviet icons, Aurebesh will have some additional dark side icons.

So glad I got in on this, it will look great on my Ducky Shine I multimedia keys.  :thumb:
I always hated that sets never came with keys to change those!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 21 April 2014, 15:22:47
No big deal waiting.

The thing i'm more worried about is these being equal thickness to IMSTO caps.... since at the time of signing up thats what I thought I was buying. Changing the manufacturer mid-buy has me a little uneasy. I realize I could have backed out when PLUM was mentioned (before final payment), but I still want as thick as possible cherry profile black pbt.

& like I said, if they're equal to IMSTO caps I will be happy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Mon, 21 April 2014, 16:00:16
No big deal waiting.

The thing i'm more worried about is these being equal thickness to IMSTO caps.... since at the time of signing up thats what I thought I was buying. Changing the manufacturer mid-buy has me a little uneasy. I realize I could have backed out when PLUM was mentioned (before final payment), but I still want as thick as possible cherry profile black pbt.

& like I said, if they're equal to IMSTO caps I will be happy.

Wait what? Who is PLUM? This keyboard will not be PLUM layout, will it?
I cannot find anything (posts, classifieds) about PLUM keycaps, so that makes me a little uneasy...  :-[
These are thick PBT right?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 21 April 2014, 16:02:18
Yes PLUM manufactures keycaps, in this case standard layout, cherry profile, thick pbt keycaps.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Mon, 21 April 2014, 16:37:31
Yes PLUM manufactures keycaps, in this case standard layout, cherry profile, thick pbt keycaps.

Do you know of or have any examples of said key caps? What is the build quality like? Texture? How does it compare to IMSTO?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 21 April 2014, 16:40:29
Some pictures were posted in this thread... somewhere... lol sorry not searching page after page again, i've done it a few times now.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 21 April 2014, 17:21:29
Well that's news to me. All I've read is IMSTO, IMSTO, IMSTO, in these threads. Who the hell is PLUM?

Ivan?

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit worried now..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Kfactork on Mon, 21 April 2014, 17:25:42
Well that's news to me. All I've read is IMSTO, IMSTO, IMSTO, in these threads. Who the hell is PLUM?

Ivan?

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit worried now..
We switched over to PLUM as the manufacturer because imsto can't do something (forgot what it was); Ivan expects it to be the same thickness and quality so I don't worry much about it. We will see.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Mon, 21 April 2014, 17:32:11
Well that's news to me. All I've read is IMSTO, IMSTO, IMSTO, in these threads. Who the hell is PLUM?

Ivan?

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit worried now..
We switched over to PLUM as the manufacturer because imsto can't do something (forgot what it was); Ivan expects it to be the same thickness and quality so I don't worry much about it. We will see.

PLUM's quality for the PBT is the same-- you still get cherry profile and dyesubbed with sharp corners. The reason we switched to PLUM was cause the MOQ for imsto is 400, whereas PLUM's was 300.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: tbc on Mon, 21 April 2014, 17:32:49
Well that's news to me. All I've read is IMSTO, IMSTO, IMSTO, in these threads. Who the hell is PLUM?

Ivan?

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit worried now..

you're not going to be able to tell the difference.

one of the reasons we're going with PLUM because it has a lower MOQ. 

basically, go with PLUM which is the same thing as IMSTO or get nothing at all.

EDIT:

ninja'd :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Kfactork on Mon, 21 April 2014, 17:34:56
Ah so that was it. ;D  I trust Ivan's decisions.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Mon, 21 April 2014, 18:50:33
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but here is my understanding of the situation. IMSTO does not manufacture key caps, he only does the dye sublimation. The thick keys most people are familiar with and are calling IMSTO keys are actually made by KBC and are simply dyed by IMSTO. PLUM is the factory Ivan decided to use instead of KBC due to the MOQ being 300 instead of 400. Im pretty sure IMSTO will still be doing the dye sublimation on the PLUM caps.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 21 April 2014, 21:58:59
IMSTO is still doing dyesub, Ivan has mentioned that even earlier on this page.

Plum is just the keycap source, the keys are still thick PBT, everything is the same just with a lower MOQ to have everything happen rather than not happen.

IMSTO was never in question, everything is still IMSTO, the caps are just from a different manufacturer. Everyone calm down :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 22 April 2014, 09:43:28
Think I'm going to go crazy waiting for this set, the suspense is killing me waiting for these samples to come in. So glad these hit MOQ, awesome work through such a long ordering period, Ivan. Happy to be along for the ride.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 22 April 2014, 12:06:22
Yes please do not worry. You can be confident I would not go with some poor quality product. Plum make the Choc mini, and you can see it is some thick Cherry profile. From all I heard from Choc owner the keycap is good disregarding the lasering/pad printing which is irrelevant for us.
(http://coolgadgetsli.blog.com/files/2011/07/noppoo-choc-mini-84-usb-nkro-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown-black-blue-18.jpg)

Just to confirm what other have responded, yes the keycap source was switch due to lower MOQ with Plum that was possible to reach. I felt switching from KBC was better option that not getting anything.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 22 April 2014, 14:00:37
Yes please do not worry. You can be confident I would not go with some poor quality product. Plum make the Choc mini, and you can see it is some thick Cherry profile. From all I heard from Choc owner the keycap is good disregarding the lasering/pad printing which is irrelevant for us.
Show Image
(http://coolgadgetsli.blog.com/files/2011/07/noppoo-choc-mini-84-usb-nkro-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown-black-blue-18.jpg)


Just to confirm what other have responded, yes the keycap source was switch due to lower MOQ with Plum that was possible to reach. I felt switching from KBC was better option that not getting anything.

I thought the Choc Mini came with POM key caps?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 22 April 2014, 19:27:49
I think some of you guys already answered these questions the same as me. :))
But yes you are exactly right. This is a first for many things. First time dealing with PLUM as a keycap source, first time of Cherry black PBTs, first time of imstos dyesub peeps dealing with dyesubbing on black... there will need to be extra checks to ensure everything comes out in the best way possible to avoid a big disappointment.
Shipping cost is also the exact reason I don't do splits on blank and printed as it makes no sense to pay shipping to me 2x. While I could do that, I would need to increase group buy fees to cover such thing.

Yes please do not worry. You can be confident I would not go with some poor quality product. Plum make the Choc mini, and you can see it is some thick Cherry profile. From all I heard from Choc owner the keycap is good disregarding the lasering/pad printing which is irrelevant for us.
Show Image
(http://coolgadgetsli.blog.com/files/2011/07/noppoo-choc-mini-84-usb-nkro-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown-black-blue-18.jpg)


Just to confirm what other have responded, yes the keycap source was switch due to lower MOQ with Plum that was possible to reach. I felt switching from KBC was better option that not getting anything.

I thought the Choc Mini came with POM key caps?

Quite possible, but more than likely irrelevant. We are getting cherry profile thick black blank PBT caps from PLUM who is confirmed to be a good manufacturer.
IMSTO has dudes to dyesub it for us.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: bazh on Tue, 22 April 2014, 21:06:28
Yes please do not worry. You can be confident I would not go with some poor quality product. Plum make the Choc mini, and you can see it is some thick Cherry profile. From all I heard from Choc owner the keycap is good disregarding the lasering/pad printing which is irrelevant for us.
Show Image
(http://coolgadgetsli.blog.com/files/2011/07/noppoo-choc-mini-84-usb-nkro-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown-black-blue-18.jpg)


Just to confirm what other have responded, yes the keycap source was switch due to lower MOQ with Plum that was possible to reach. I felt switching from KBC was better option that not getting anything.

Can you have a comfirmation about the F and J key, I remember some one not a long time ago told that the 2 keycaps were lower than the rest of the row :/
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 23 April 2014, 10:05:26
Looks normal?
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dannyp on Wed, 23 April 2014, 10:19:43
Hotlinking is off, but you can follow the link: http://i1.3conline.com/images/piclib/201201/04/batch/1/123632/1325674614422ssrhx4tn6e.jpg
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: nono0044 on Wed, 23 April 2014, 10:38:06
Hotlinking is off, but you can follow the link: http://i1.3conline.com/images/piclib/201201/04/batch/1/123632/1325674614422ssrhx4tn6e.jpg

That isn't quite working either.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Wed, 23 April 2014, 10:46:42
Yeah Ivan, it just says some PC Online.com and some Chinese text...are these samples? I'm so excited to see the pic!!!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 23 April 2014, 10:54:28
Just posted pic to answer bazh question about F J key.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Lu_e on Wed, 23 April 2014, 12:26:50
Yes please do not worry. You can be confident I would not go with some poor quality product. Plum make the Choc mini, and you can see it is some thick Cherry profile. From all I heard from Choc owner the keycap is good disregarding the lasering/pad printing which is irrelevant for us.
Show Image
(http://coolgadgetsli.blog.com/files/2011/07/noppoo-choc-mini-84-usb-nkro-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown-black-blue-18.jpg)


Just to confirm what other have responded, yes the keycap source was switch due to lower MOQ with Plum that was possible to reach. I felt switching from KBC was better option that not getting anything.

Plum may not be poor quality but they look slightly thinner to me... Guess we would need someone who owns a noppoo and a imsto/kbc set to be sure. Ugh, wish we coulda just gotten kbc caps

(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/Private/For%20Sale%20Stuff/DSC_0492_zps1f97e485.jpg)
Vs
(http://coolgadgetsli.blog.com/files/2011/07/noppoo-choc-mini-84-usb-nkro-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown-black-blue-18.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: t2russo on Wed, 23 April 2014, 12:53:34
I think someone who doesn't have both hand in hand shouldn't speculate.  This is seeming kind of sensationalist over something you actually haven't seen for yourself?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 23 April 2014, 12:59:20
I think someone who doesn't have both hand in hand shouldn't speculate.  This is seeming kind of sensationalist over something you actually haven't seen for yourself?

Ditto, I think we should reserve judgement for when the samples come in at the very least.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 23 April 2014, 13:03:44
The apparent difference may just be a trick of the angles that the individual keys are shown at. Looking at the images in photoshop and adjusting for scale, the difference in thickness between the two is consistently at most one pixel, which I can attribute to the different angles the caps were shown at.

Regardless, even if the caps are thinner, they are still thick PBT, and therefore thicker than most caps you come across. Even if they're only 90% as thick as you were expecting, is that not good enough?

I do agree that we shouldn't complain until we have someone to compare side by side, and see what the difference really is. It just doesn't seem as bad as it's being made out to be.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 23 April 2014, 13:04:25
Thickness doesn't look any different to me in those pictures... You are comparing black parts to light blue parts, black is going to look a little smaller/thinner, plus the angles of the pictures on those plum pictures are far from ideal to tell in the first place.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Yslen on Wed, 23 April 2014, 13:07:40
They look considerably thicker than the (lasered) Cherry PBTs I used to have, about comparable with the stock PBT caps on my Poker II. Plenty thick enough! I'm very much looking forward to seeing samples, particularly of the dye-subbing, if we're going to get to see samples of that before the production run.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 23 April 2014, 13:09:34
Personally, I'm just looking forward to what will be my first thick set and my first PBT set. I don't care if they're the thickest of the thick, just that they're thicker than all the thin ABS I have lying around here :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Wed, 23 April 2014, 13:57:38
Thickness doesn't look any different to me in those pictures... You are comparing black parts to light blue parts, black is going to look a little smaller/thinner, plus the angles of the pictures on those plum pictures are far from ideal to tell in the first place.

I actually agree here. I even pulled off my KBC Poker 2 to get a first hand comparison with the pictures provided. The difference is negligible if at all. However like someone else said, we have to reserve judgement until we have someone who received the caps at the very least.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 24 April 2014, 16:01:47
I have a KBT race which I believe has thick pbt. [they are definitely pbt] and some thick pbt from SP coming. I've never had GMK but if someone would ship me a key I could let you know the difference.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Thu, 24 April 2014, 18:35:01
I have a KBT race which I believe has thick pbt. [they are definitely pbt] and some thick pbt from SP coming. I've never had GMK but if someone would ship me a key I could let you know the difference.

Thick PBT and SP don't belong in the same sentence, sorry friend.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 25 April 2014, 01:44:40
I have a KBT race which I believe has thick pbt. [they are definitely pbt] and some thick pbt from SP coming. I've never had GMK but if someone would ship me a key I could let you know the difference.

Thick PBT and SP don't belong in the same sentence, sorry friend.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56354.msg1271903;topicseen#msg1271903

Sorry you missed it.  :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 13:41:41
DSA is thicker than DCS, but it still thinner than these.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dannyp on Fri, 25 April 2014, 15:16:00
:D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: BeardedAx on Sun, 27 April 2014, 20:12:16
I've been itching to find a black on black key set for my new board and I just can't find any I'm more interested in than this one. I'm a touch late to the party to get in on this deal but if any of you plan to sell yours keep me in mind!  ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: badugi on Mon, 28 April 2014, 01:26:19
so the people who paid as early as february/march are still waiting right?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: t2russo on Mon, 28 April 2014, 02:12:02
so the people who paid as early as february/march are still waiting right?

You have reading to catch up on if you are expecting anything right now :)

Group buy, not a purchase of a pre-existing good.  Order is still in the early stages of pre production since the first deadline had a bunch of drop-outs at payment.

Expect what, 4-6 weeks after approval of sample?  Someone correct me if that figure seems off.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: DarkShot on Mon, 28 April 2014, 04:39:21
I've been itching to find a black on black key set for my new board and I just can't find any I'm more interested in than this one. I'm a touch late to the party to get in on this deal but if any of you plan to sell yours keep me in mind!  ;D

I put in for a set of blanks and a set of dyesub, so I might sell one or the other depending on which I like more.

Just keep your eyes open once all the sets have shipped, I'm sure there will be some who want to part with a set or two :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 28 April 2014, 05:30:47
I've been itching to find a black on black key set for my new board and I just can't find any I'm more interested in than this one. I'm a touch late to the party to get in on this deal but if any of you plan to sell yours keep me in mind!  ;D

If you don't mind waiting at least a month for them, start looking in the Classifieds section once these ship. It'll still be a while (getting samples, starting production, getting the dyesub samples, printing, shipping, etc). I ordered 4 sets to help meet MOQ and may consider selling one of them.... or maybe not, depending how much I like them :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Heezy on Mon, 28 April 2014, 08:47:35
I missed this!

Would really love one of those blank blacks. Let me know if you have any extra for sell!

I've been itching to find a black on black key set for my new board and I just can't find any I'm more interested in than this one. I'm a touch late to the party to get in on this deal but if any of you plan to sell yours keep me in mind!  ;D

If you don't mind waiting at least a month for them, start looking in the Classifieds section once these ship. It'll still be a while (getting samples, starting production, getting the dyesub samples, printing, shipping, etc). I ordered 4 sets to help meet MOQ and may consider selling one of them.... or maybe not, depending how much I like them :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: KatzenKinder on Mon, 28 April 2014, 08:52:55
Ivan! I'm sorry, I think I might need to change the address to which my package ships if this is possible.
It's my first GB, so I didn't have all that great of an idea how long these things take in production, so I'll have graduated and left the current city I'm in.
How should I go about this?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 28 April 2014, 10:58:19
Just PM me with address update.

As far as timeline on production it is still not locked in. Still waiting for samples of 3-4 shades of 'black' to arrive to imsto for dyesub test. Once we know it's good they will need to fit the order into their production schedule. When I know, I will make an update.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: lakiozoon on Mon, 28 April 2014, 12:15:22
Do you have a picture of blanks by any chance?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Psybin on Mon, 28 April 2014, 18:20:11
So do you think the GMK standard is going to be an unobtainable long shot?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 28 April 2014, 19:00:16
I was under the impression that the GMK packs had been officially cancelled.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: BeardedAx on Mon, 28 April 2014, 22:09:13
I've been itching to find a black on black key set for my new board and I just can't find any I'm more interested in than this one. I'm a touch late to the party to get in on this deal but if any of you plan to sell yours keep me in mind!  ;D

I put in for a set of blanks and a set of dyesub, so I might sell one or the other depending on which I like more.

Just keep your eyes open once all the sets have shipped, I'm sure there will be some who want to part with a set or two :D

If you don't mind waiting at least a month for them, start looking in the Classifieds section once these ship. It'll still be a while (getting samples, starting production, getting the dyesub samples, printing, shipping, etc). I ordered 4 sets to help meet MOQ and may consider selling one of them.... or maybe not, depending how much I like them :)

Thanks for the heads up Darkshot and Oobly! I was planning to keep an eye on this thread to see when they start shipping and an eye on the classifieds in case they get posted after that. Just wanted to get my name out there in case I get caught up in something when that time comes.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Heezy on Mon, 28 April 2014, 22:12:32
Do you have a picture of blanks by any chance?

I don't think there are any real set yet, just computer rendered one in first post.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Kfactork on Wed, 30 April 2014, 15:35:15
I have one set of blank potentially up for transfer if some one wants it  :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Wed, 30 April 2014, 17:31:29
I have one set of blank potentially up for transfer if some one wants it  :)

I'll take it if you'd like your $55 back.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Kfactork on Wed, 30 April 2014, 18:06:17
I have one set of blank potentially up for transfer if some one wants it  :)

I'll take it if you'd like your $55 back.
Well it comes out to $60 after fees and shipping. if you want it pm me.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 30 April 2014, 18:13:15
If you two go through with that, be sure to PM Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Kfactork on Wed, 30 April 2014, 18:28:45
If you two go through with that, be sure to PM Ivan.
Yep sure will. Actually Ivan told me to do it this way for less hassle. Thanks for the heads up tactical!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Thu, 01 May 2014, 17:24:39
I have one set of blank potentially up for transfer if some one wants it  :)

I'll take it if you'd like your $55 back.
Well it comes out to $60 after fees and shipping. if you want it pm me.

So you'll take $55 then?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Kfactork on Thu, 01 May 2014, 17:47:11
I have one set of blank potentially up for transfer if some one wants it  :)

I'll take it if you'd like your $55 back.
Well it comes out to $60 after fees and shipping. if you want it pm me.
So you'll take $55 then?
Sorry if I wasn't clear. The pp fee and shipping comes out to about $5 per set, so if you want to take my place I would need $60 sent to me.
You have just been one step too late though. The set has been picked up by someone else. Sorry about that  :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Heezy on Thu, 01 May 2014, 22:17:54
Looking for a blank set, let me know if anyone wants to let go or their set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: catcradle5 on Sat, 03 May 2014, 22:40:57
Also looking for a blank set, if anyone wants to sell theirs or sell their spot. Will pay $60-70.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: WinterIsle on Sun, 04 May 2014, 02:26:44
Also looking for a blank set, if anyone wants to sell theirs or sell their spot. Will pay $60-70.
I have one blank set willing to let go, but it will be complicated to transfer my order to you since I joined total orders with a friend.
After I received the keysets then sell probably.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Heezy on Sun, 04 May 2014, 05:17:04
Way to go! Nothing better than an increase price!  :thumb:

Let me know if anyone wants to transfer their order. Cheers!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Sun, 04 May 2014, 08:05:03
Amazing how interest peaks after the ordering is closed.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Furobins on Sun, 04 May 2014, 11:00:37
I have a blank and a printed set that I am willing to let go, PM me and we'll arrange it with Ivan
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 04 May 2014, 11:15:16
For those that want to transfer order, complete transaction and notify me of buyers info email, real name, address. Buyer be aware that I will bill you shipping once that stage of the buy is ready if it was not a 100% order transfer (split of original order) or if there is a cost difference if transfer order from US to international.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: mljs54 on Sun, 04 May 2014, 12:44:04
Looking for blank or regular printed.  Please PM.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Furobins on Sun, 04 May 2014, 16:07:03
Sent confirmations for trynds and BeardedAx, please respond to myself and Ivan to facilitate the transfer.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: cphead on Wed, 07 May 2014, 01:18:52
If anyone is interested in a regular printed set, let me know.

Edit: claimed  :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Thu, 08 May 2014, 06:16:57
I can't imagine all these order transfers are speeding up the process here but is there an update for us Ivan?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 08 May 2014, 09:38:56
As I understand it, PLUM is still waiting for the particular PBT material (still for the sample run) to be delivered from Japan... same supplier as Topre uses. Apparently they are stupid slow, probably sent surface freight.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Thu, 08 May 2014, 10:08:15
As I understand it, PLUM is still waiting for the particular PBT material (still for the sample run) to be delivered from Japan... same supplier as Topre uses. Apparently they are stupid slow, probably sent surface freight.

I didn't realize these would be made with the same plastic that Topre uses. That is awesome!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Yslen on Thu, 08 May 2014, 10:29:04
How much does PBT vary? Is there a difference between the quality of PBT Topre uses and that used by other manufacturers, or is PBT just PBT?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 08 May 2014, 10:48:05
I would guess there is probably some variance, but I am not an expert about plastics. I think it was more that it was the easiest solution to get the material from the same supplier due to color is a regular stock item.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Yslen on Thu, 08 May 2014, 10:54:45
Makes sense. Still, it's nice to know it's proven quality plastic.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: atlas3686 on Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:04:45
I would guess there is probably some variance, but I am not an expert about plastics. I think it was more that it was the easiest solution to get the material from the same supplier due to color is a regular stock item.

Wow that is great news, I was hoping they would match my realforce's keys perfectly!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: gigibecali on Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:10:31
Ivan, what're your future plans ? :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:18:31
Starting PBT dyesubs novelty key singles and GMK Dolch full set+add ons this month.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: t2russo on Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:22:11
(http://i.imgur.com/NUyttbn.gif)

All of this.  So good. 
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:26:27

Starting PBT dyesubs novelty key singles and GMK Dolch full set+add ons this month.
The CMY/RGB mod extras coming after that? :S
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: SL89 on Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:34:17
Aurebesh... i did a double take when i saw that. How many people snagged those?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: justnits on Thu, 08 May 2014, 12:14:53
Starting PBT dyesubs novelty key singles and GMK Dolch full set+add ons this month.

ivan...i don't know if i want to love you or hate you  :-\
i think i go with both...
i love that you are doing gmk dolch full set but i hate it that you are doing it just when i'm low on cash this month  :'(
how long will u plan to run the gb?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 08 May 2014, 12:56:22
Aurebesh wasn't super popular, just make to minimum.
I don't know when the CMY or RGB... it's not me.
I will probably have Dolch order and payment time to 1 month... then see if we are to MOQ and decide what to do if not.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: acidtrip69 on Thu, 08 May 2014, 13:29:31
Starting PBT dyesubs novelty key singles and GMK Dolch full set+add ons this month.
Yes i can't wait
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 08 May 2014, 15:32:02
Starting PBT dyesubs novelty key singles and GMK Dolch full set+add ons this month.

What! It's happening!! :)

The Dolch gb is going to crash GH.

Were there any samples done for the pbt black on black that you have pictures of?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: zippox on Thu, 08 May 2014, 17:44:34
Were there any samples done for the pbt black on black that you have pictures of?

As I understand it, PLUM is still waiting for the particular PBT material (still for the sample run) to be delivered from Japan... same supplier as Topre uses. Apparently they are stupid slow, probably sent surface freight.

Seems the factory has not yet received materials. So no samples sent to Ivan yet.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: SL89 on Fri, 09 May 2014, 09:36:45
Quote
Aurebesh wasn't super popular, just make to minimum.

That's a shame, but i guess its not a surprise.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Furobins on Sun, 11 May 2014, 10:47:26
Still have a set of blanks available if anyone is interest
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: cookiesowns on Tue, 13 May 2014, 02:03:01
Wait, dolch as in this dolch?  http://imgur.com/a/gewMG

Count me in, if so!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 13 May 2014, 03:05:01
Wait, dolch as in this dolch?  http://imgur.com/a/gewMG

Count me in, if so!

Yup, looks like Ivan will run a GB for that set (GMK Dolch, Cherry profile doubleshot) once this one is done. I think it will be rather popular. I know I'll be ordering at least one set (if it has a 1.75x right shift option).
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: zippox on Tue, 13 May 2014, 10:12:26
All of this talk of future group buys is making me yearn for this one to finish! No more talky! :-X
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Razor Lotus on Tue, 13 May 2014, 13:20:45
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Tue, 13 May 2014, 16:11:38
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 13 May 2014, 17:10:35
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Looks like the sets you can find on Taobao.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: OnTheBrink on Tue, 13 May 2014, 17:25:01
If anyone doesn't want their set at any point, I will take it off your hands.

Blank or Dye Sub, either or.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Tue, 13 May 2014, 17:40:10
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Looks like the sets you can find on Taobao.

Difference would be the GeekHack key (which may or may not come with it, I doubt it will though :()
and the Cherry legends. Notice that the font is thicker. Also the winkey and the right click key are different.

Additionally, they would sound and feel slightly different due to a much greater thickness, and most likely have different texture too (can't confirm the texture part).
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: OnTheBrink on Tue, 13 May 2014, 19:37:19
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Looks like the sets you can find on Taobao.

Difference would be the GeekHack key (which may or may not come with it, I doubt it will though :()
and the Cherry legends. Notice that the font is thicker. Also the winkey and the right click key are different.

Additionally, they would sound and feel slightly different due to a much greater thickness, and most likely have different texture too (can't confirm the texture part).

I haven't gotten my hands on thick PBTs yet. I am eager to try them out as I hear great things and I can imagine I would love them considering I love my PBTs but wish they were thicker.

I also really like Cherry legends. I can see why people favor them. I am not too fond of the italicized legend from KBC Vortex's (I think) that I have.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 13 May 2014, 19:40:40
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Looks like the sets you can find on Taobao.

Difference would be the GeekHack key (which may or may not come with it, I doubt it will though :()
and the Cherry legends. Notice that the font is thicker. Also the winkey and the right click key are different.

Additionally, they would sound and feel slightly different due to a much greater thickness, and most likely have different texture too (can't confirm the texture part).

I haven't gotten my hands on thick PBTs yet. I am eager to try them out as I hear great things and I can imagine I would love them considering I love my PBTs but wish they were thicker.

I also really like Cherry legends. I can see why people favor them. I am not too fond of the italicized legend from KBC Vortex's (I think) that I have.

Then get OG cherry dyesub and be eternally happy
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Tue, 13 May 2014, 19:58:18
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Looks like the sets you can find on Taobao.

Difference would be the GeekHack key (which may or may not come with it, I doubt it will though :()
and the Cherry legends. Notice that the font is thicker. Also the winkey and the right click key are different.

Additionally, they would sound and feel slightly different due to a much greater thickness, and most likely have different texture too (can't confirm the texture part).

I haven't gotten my hands on thick PBTs yet. I am eager to try them out as I hear great things and I can imagine I would love them considering I love my PBTs but wish they were thicker.

I also really like Cherry legends. I can see why people favor them. I am not too fond of the italicized legend from KBC Vortex's (I think) that I have.

Oh goodness, those were the 3rd ugliest legends I have ever seen. 1st would be the Deck keyboard legends, and 2nd would be the rest of the "gamer" style legends.

Their 2nd generation doubleshots have much nicer looking legends though.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: bazh on Tue, 13 May 2014, 22:50:26
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Looks like the sets you can find on Taobao.

Difference would be the GeekHack key (which may or may not come with it, I doubt it will though :()
and the Cherry legends. Notice that the font is thicker. Also the winkey and the right click key are different.

Additionally, they would sound and feel slightly different due to a much greater thickness, and most likely have different texture too (can't confirm the texture part).

I haven't gotten my hands on thick PBTs yet. I am eager to try them out as I hear great things and I can imagine I would love them considering I love my PBTs but wish they were thicker.

I also really like Cherry legends. I can see why people favor them. I am not too fond of the italicized legend from KBC Vortex's (I think) that I have.

Oh goodness, those were the 3rd ugliest legends I have ever seen. 1st would be the Deck keyboard legends, and 2nd would be the rest of the "gamer" style legends.

Their 2nd generation doubleshots have much nicer looking legends though.

They're Cherry legends actually
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Wed, 14 May 2014, 16:38:03
The 2nd generation ones? I don't have a picture of them right now and I'm on phone so I don't want to pull it up but iirc, they're centered right? Cherry ones are not.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Razor Lotus on Wed, 14 May 2014, 18:21:55
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Looks like the sets you can find on Taobao.

Difference would be the GeekHack key (which may or may not come with it, I doubt it will though :()
and the Cherry legends. Notice that the font is thicker. Also the winkey and the right click key are different.

Additionally, they would sound and feel slightly different due to a much greater thickness, and most likely have different texture too (can't confirm the texture part).

How were you able to tell the thickness of the keycaps just from the thicker font???
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Wed, 14 May 2014, 19:07:59
You can't. But real Dolch and legit replicas, and Ivan's groupbuys in general are known to be thick.

TaiHao is known to be thin because it's so cheap.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: OnTheBrink on Wed, 14 May 2014, 20:57:09
Is the dolch gonna be like this???

http://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/4.jpg

O.O

Ohhh my goodness. That looks heavenly.
Looks like the sets you can find on Taobao.

Difference would be the GeekHack key (which may or may not come with it, I doubt it will though :()
and the Cherry legends. Notice that the font is thicker. Also the winkey and the right click key are different.

Additionally, they would sound and feel slightly different due to a much greater thickness, and most likely have different texture too (can't confirm the texture part).

I haven't gotten my hands on thick PBTs yet. I am eager to try them out as I hear great things and I can imagine I would love them considering I love my PBTs but wish they were thicker.

I also really like Cherry legends. I can see why people favor them. I am not too fond of the italicized legend from KBC Vortex's (I think) that I have.

Oh goodness, those were the 3rd ugliest legends I have ever seen. 1st would be the Deck keyboard legends, and 2nd would be the rest of the "gamer" style legends.

Their 2nd generation doubleshots have much nicer looking legends though.

Yeah :( I should have just gotten blanks.

This GB is over right? I'd like to pick up a set of blanks if anyone doesn't want their order anymore or purchased a bunch for resell.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: bazh on Wed, 14 May 2014, 22:02:54
The 2nd generation ones? I don't have a picture of them right now and I'm on phone so I don't want to pull it up but iirc, they're centered right? Cherry ones are not.


they have it centered for backlitting purpose, tho it make them look fugly
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 20 May 2014, 08:35:49
I've been informed the sample keys finally arrived at the dyesub place and will be placed in production queue for test run. I will update when I know more.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: zippox on Tue, 20 May 2014, 09:55:32
I've been informed the sample keys finally arrived at the dyesub place and will be placed in production queue for test run. I will update when I know more.

(http://www.1851project.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Uhoh5.gif)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: two4teezee on Tue, 20 May 2014, 11:06:34
If anyone is selling their black on black (regular) set, PM me please. I'm looking to pick up that and the standard modifier kit.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Tue, 20 May 2014, 11:11:58

If anyone is selling their black on black (regular) set, PM me please. I'm looking to pick up that and the standard modifier kit.
No one's getting a mod kit
It didn't hit moq
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: t2russo on Tue, 20 May 2014, 11:14:59
Yaaaay samples!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: itsaferbie on Tue, 20 May 2014, 18:58:07
Can't wait to see the samples for these once they come in!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Wed, 21 May 2014, 17:34:19
So if you get the samples, everything is good, what's the timeline from there?

I assume we're through the worst of it now?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 21 May 2014, 18:12:20
Once samples approved... then I will find out the production timeline. Currently I am unsure. I'm sorry it will be taking much longer than I originally expected.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Fri, 23 May 2014, 15:33:49
Once samples approved... then I will find out the production timeline. Currently I am unsure. I'm sorry it will be taking much longer than I originally expected.

No problem, it's out of your hands until the box arrives. Thanks for keeping us updated:)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: lolkey on Fri, 23 May 2014, 18:51:48
Are there any extras? I will buy a set of blanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: boost on Fri, 23 May 2014, 18:57:03

Are there any extras? I will buy a set of blanks.

This^^. Need another blank pbt set
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: nono0044 on Sat, 24 May 2014, 02:24:53
Hmm at this rate, I'll need to change the address in my order.

First group buy for me, how is an address change usually handled or done?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: t2russo on Sat, 24 May 2014, 10:49:07
PM Ivan.  He's super good about it.  Quite frequent that people move/swap orders/etc so he'll sort you out.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Furobins on Sat, 24 May 2014, 11:33:06
I still have a set of blanks available for transfer, PM me if interested
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: malu1989 on Sat, 24 May 2014, 15:36:55
Hey,

if anyone doesn't want it's Black on Blacks, I'm interested.
Please PM me.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: lolkey on Sun, 25 May 2014, 01:25:11
I still have a set of blanks available for transfer, PM me if interested

Sent PM.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 25 May 2014, 01:43:45
I'll more than likely be selling mine, but I want to see them first, and then I might gift them;
but they might be really awesome and I might have to keep them.  :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: x on Sun, 25 May 2014, 19:47:14
New member here, interested in "Cherry black on black RU dyesub". PM me if this is possible.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: patrain on Fri, 30 May 2014, 07:56:28
I am in much need of the ergodox mod set. are you taking orders anytime in the future?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 30 May 2014, 08:09:22
I am in much need of the ergodox mod set. are you taking orders anytime in the future?

The MOQ wasn't met on the ergodox set so it's not getting produced.  You could order the Ergo dox set for his other GB here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.0), but it doesn't look like that will meet MOQ either. :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Acanthophis on Fri, 30 May 2014, 10:36:46
I am willing to let go my blank set for the same price I paid.
If somebody is interested, PM me and also let Ivan know.


Set is gone.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: digiosia on Mon, 02 June 2014, 20:20:06
looking for a blank/ black on black set
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Mon, 02 June 2014, 20:41:40
I'm setup to receive email notifications for this thread and everytime theres a reply I get my hopes up that it's Ivan posting some sample key pictures  :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 02 June 2014, 21:25:22
Sorry guys... I have gotten nothing yet. Still waiting on the dyesubs place to get them into their production queue.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: tmk1207 on Mon, 02 June 2014, 21:44:08
...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: FingerPunch on Wed, 04 June 2014, 17:39:35
If anyone is interested in giving up their blank set, please PM me. I am interested in a set for myself  :thumb:
** I will edit this when I find a set. I'm still interested  :-*

I found all the sets I need. Thank you everyone!  :cool:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: flux00 on Tue, 10 June 2014, 13:40:44
If anyone is interested in giving up their blank set and/or ergodox let me know :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 11 June 2014, 01:24:03
If you're interested in EDOX kit please order in the Dolch groupbuy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.0)... it would have been essentially the same kit anyway as it was not enough orders to put in production at the time this buy ended.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: bueller on Wed, 11 June 2014, 01:36:15
Super excited to see how these turn out, still a bit salty I had to drop out. No doubt I'll pick some up in the classifieds down the line.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 12 June 2014, 10:11:31
If you're interested in EDOX kit please order in the Dolch groupbuy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.0)... it would have been essentially the same kit anyway as it was not enough orders to put in production at the time this buy ended.

Speaking of the Dolch GB, any idea how these (PLUM) keys will compare to GMK in terms of thickness, etc? Of course these are PBT vs GMK's ABS.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 12 June 2014, 10:16:54
If you're interested in EDOX kit please order in the Dolch groupbuy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.0)... it would have been essentially the same kit anyway as it was not enough orders to put in production at the time this buy ended.

Speaking of the Dolch GB, any idea how these (PLUM) keys will compare to GMK in terms of thickness, etc? Of course these are PBT vs GMK's ABS.

Thickness and profile will be identical, but as you mentioned it's ABS vs PBT.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 12 June 2014, 10:32:54
Right thick Cherry profile, comparable to Cherry/GMK, previous imsto Cherry, BSP.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 12 June 2014, 11:04:51
Good to know, thanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: catbuster on Thu, 12 June 2014, 11:36:22
I know its a GB, but this is taking so long ;/ any updates?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 12 June 2014, 13:08:21
I'm sorry it's taking longer than expected. There is more parts to this than in other keycap buys as we have separate parties to deal with for PBT material supplier which is located in Japan, PLUM in China to make that material into keys, then finally imsto elsewhere in China to do the dyesub work... all of which need to coordinate to make a product they have never dealt with producing before. I know people like things to move quickly, but I would much rather take longer to make sure a good product is delivered.

Currently it's still in the sampling stage. Yes I know STILL!!! The goal is to make sure we can get the caps as dark as is possible while still having the dyesub legends to be visible. It will take some effort in tuning that and to avoid big QA problems in production stage.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: MsYutai on Thu, 12 June 2014, 14:29:02
I'm sorry it's taking longer than expected. There is more parts to this than in other keycap buys as we have separate parties to deal with for PBT material supplier which is located in Japan, PLUM in China to make that material into keys, then finally imsto elsewhere in China to do the dyesub work... all of which need to coordinate to make a product they have never dealt with producing before. I know people like things to move quickly, but I would much rather take longer to make sure a good product is delivered.

Currently it's still in the sampling stage. Yes I know STILL!!! The goal is to make sure we can get the caps as dark as is possible while still having the dyesub legends to be visible. It will take some effort in tuning that and to avoid big QA problems in production stage.

Sampling stage being...? PLUM making keycaps?

Sounds like it will be another 3 months at least @_@.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: zippox on Thu, 12 June 2014, 15:10:38
I'm sorry it's taking longer than expected. There is more parts to this than in other keycap buys as we have separate parties to deal with for PBT material supplier which is located in Japan, PLUM in China to make that material into keys, then finally imsto elsewhere in China to do the dyesub work... all of which need to coordinate to make a product they have never dealt with producing before. I know people like things to move quickly, but I would much rather take longer to make sure a good product is delivered.

Currently it's still in the sampling stage. Yes I know STILL!!! The goal is to make sure we can get the caps as dark as is possible while still having the dyesub legends to be visible. It will take some effort in tuning that and to avoid big QA problems in production stage.

Makes sense to me. Thanks for the hard work you are putting into this. I'm sure it will be a great product.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TDub on Fri, 13 June 2014, 02:11:10
I know people like things to move quickly, but I would much rather take longer to make sure a good product is delivered.

The goal is to make sure we can get the caps as dark as is possible while still having the dyesub legends to be visible.

Couldn't agree more, this set has a shot at being something very unique that stands out, i would rather wait another 3 month and have it be epic than get it now and be mediocre. Thanks so much Ivan for putting in the work!


Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 13 June 2014, 04:02:40
I know people like things to move quickly, but I would much rather take longer to make sure a good product is delivered.

The goal is to make sure we can get the caps as dark as is possible while still having the dyesub legends to be visible.

Couldn't agree more, this set has a shot at being something very unique that stands out, i would rather wait another 3 month and have it be epic than get it now and be mediocre. Thanks so much Ivan for putting in the work!

^^This.

I don't mind if they take a long time (within reason, I'd like them by end of the year), I want them to be as good as they can be.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Fri, 13 June 2014, 12:51:29
I'm going to be using this set as a daily driver for years to come, so even 6 months longer isn't very much in the grand scheme. I want these as soon as everyone else, but I'd prefer them to be perfect and have them in a few months rather than mediocre and have them now.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 June 2014, 13:24:44
Cool, I'm glad you guys seem to have the same point of view as me. Thanks for your continued patience.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 13 June 2014, 13:31:20
I want this set yesterday :P


In all seriousness, I'm just glad this is happening at all. Please keep us updated as things continue to evolve :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 June 2014, 13:33:22
I try and update whenever I know anything. I hate it when buy organizers leave people hanging with no info.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Fri, 13 June 2014, 13:36:02

I try and update whenever I know anything. I hate it when buy organizers leave people hanging with no info.

This is why you're president :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 June 2014, 13:42:58
Nope, I am Sovet Ministrov GHSSR.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Veteranos on Fri, 13 June 2014, 15:10:19
I know people like things to move quickly, but I would much rather take longer to make sure a good product is delivered.

The goal is to make sure we can get the caps as dark as is possible while still having the dyesub legends to be visible. It will take some effort in tuning that and to avoid big QA problems in production stage.

What a cool guy you are Ivan! Thanks :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: ssdt on Fri, 13 June 2014, 15:52:43
As my fellow gb'ers I am just happy that this is happening and you are that concerned that the outcome is as pleasing as possible. Ivan, honestly, from the bottom of my heart: THANK YOU!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 14 June 2014, 11:40:30
Got a mini update. PLUM says the Japan PBT is 'too soft' and too prone to scratches and dents for their liking and they have deemed in unsuitable for their production process. They said they are going to get similar color from DuPont to try.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Sat, 14 June 2014, 11:55:41
Got a mini update. PLUM says the Japan PBT is 'too soft' and too prone to scratches and dents for their liking and they have deemed in unsuitable for their production process. They said they are going to get similar color from DuPont to try.

Darn more delays :(

Well at least they caught the errors before the keycaps were sent to us. Thanks for the update :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 15 June 2014, 17:08:00
No worries Ivan.  :) Can't wait for this set!
It will be grand.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 16 June 2014, 14:25:13
If anyone wants to take over my blank set order PM me.

Gone to minho!Ivan you have been pm'ed.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Mon, 16 June 2014, 14:47:22
If anyone wants to take over my blank set order PM me.
YGPM
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: badloop on Tue, 17 June 2014, 21:22:58
Did anyone order a "pack standard" that they maybe dont want?  Looking to complete a partial PBT set...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Tue, 17 June 2014, 21:23:29

Did anyone order a "pack standard" that they maybe dont want?  Looking to complete a partial PBT set...
That pack didn't hit MOQ, so no one gets it
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: badloop on Tue, 17 June 2014, 21:24:36

Did anyone order a "pack standard" that they maybe dont want?  Looking to complete a partial PBT set...
That pack didn't hit MOQ, so no one gets it

D'awww... serves me right for not reading close enough.  Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Thu, 19 June 2014, 17:43:30
I'll be surprised if I open this box before I open Christmas presents.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 19 June 2014, 18:59:09
It won't be that much long wait! From the sound of things currently it should be another week or so for them to make sure the new plastic material is good to go then hopefully we should finally be starting production phase relatively soon after. Worst case scenario based on current info these should be to you in September. Odds are it will be sooner than this, but I haven't gotten a locked in production slot yet.
Once again apologies for the much longer than anticipated time frame and thanks for your continued patience.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Thu, 19 June 2014, 21:16:54
It won't be that much long wait! From the sound of things currently it should be another week or so for them to make sure the new plastic material is good to go then hopefully we should finally be starting production phase relatively soon after. Worst case scenario based on current info these should be to you in September. Odds are it will be sooner than this, but I haven't gotten a locked in production slot yet.
Once again apologies for the much longer than anticipated time frame and thanks for your continued patience.

Thank you Based Ivan.  ;D Can't wait!!!
Title: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Thu, 19 June 2014, 21:27:59
It won't be that much long wait! From the sound of things currently it should be another week or so for them to make sure the new plastic material is good to go then hopefully we should finally be starting production phase relatively soon after. Worst case scenario based on current info these should be to you in September. Odds are it will be sooner than this, but I haven't gotten a locked in production slot yet.
Once again apologies for the much longer than anticipated time frame and thanks for your continued patience.

Alright, if you can keep up the constant updates as production starts, then I can see whether or not I need to give you my new address (moving in mid August)

Thanks for your effort, Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: itsaferbie on Fri, 20 June 2014, 18:59:26
It won't be that much long wait! From the sound of things currently it should be another week or so for them to make sure the new plastic material is good to go then hopefully we should finally be starting production phase relatively soon after. Worst case scenario based on current info these should be to you in September. Odds are it will be sooner than this, but I haven't gotten a locked in production slot yet.
Once again apologies for the much longer than anticipated time frame and thanks for your continued patience.

This is great news! And as CK said, keep us up to date, since I may need to give you my new address as well, since I will be moving too.

Thanks again for this group buy!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 21 June 2014, 06:56:57
If you need address change you can just send me a PM with the new address. That's expected the longer a buy takes really.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Rayne on Sun, 22 June 2014, 02:39:42
If you need address change you can just send me a PM with the new address. That's expected the longer a buy takes really.
good to know, depending on how much longer this takes, i might need to change mine somewhat soon.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Keytrun on Sun, 22 June 2014, 03:17:45
Considering how long this took to make I should have ordered two sets just in case something happened to one of the keys (lost, scratched, ect). I assume its too late to tack on another set, ay?

Also, for us baller touch typists who are getting blanks - will they be darker than the ones with the legends? You mentioned that they are sampling in order to get the caps as dark as they can with visible legends. What about us with no legends? Can we just get our nice dark caps sent over? ^.^
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 22 June 2014, 06:41:56
All sets will be same, all same production run with same custom color. Yes it is too late to add anything, order has been finalized for long time and paid.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Cafiend on Sun, 22 June 2014, 07:06:25
DuPont. That's pretty interesting. I never thought of how many different plastic companies there are for keycap plastics. Thanks for the update Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: jorgenslee on Mon, 23 June 2014, 10:41:45
All sets will be same, all same production run with same custom color. Yes it is too late to add anything, order has been finalized for long time and paid.

Hi Ivan, I assume adding dyesub to my blank black order is not possible right? Kinda contempating on adding dyesub with all these preparations you have done.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 23 June 2014, 18:16:21
No sorry, no changing at this time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: jorgenslee on Tue, 24 June 2014, 00:57:39
No sorry, no changing at this time.

No worries.


Someone care to take over my order of blank black?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: daerid on Fri, 27 June 2014, 10:51:19
If you end up with any extras of the aurebesh darkside set, I'll take one
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: nukec on Sun, 29 June 2014, 18:45:20
No sorry, no changing at this time.

No worries.


Someone care to take over my order of blank black?

Hm, I am interested, sent you a pm.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: zippox on Tue, 01 July 2014, 10:04:55
Is it normal to have so much excitement for some pieces of plastic?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Tue, 01 July 2014, 10:15:42
Is it normal to have so much excitement for some pieces of plastic?

Welcome to Geekhack?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 01 July 2014, 10:23:30
Man, every email notification to this thread is making me jump.

(http://collegetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ineedit.png)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Tue, 01 July 2014, 10:26:48
Is it normal to have so much excitement for some pieces of plastic?

You should see how people react to Bros and Clacks. Its like chum to pirhanas.

Man, every email notification to this thread is making me jump.

Show Image
(http://collegetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ineedit.png)


Glad I'm not the only one!

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Acanthophis on Tue, 01 July 2014, 11:11:23
Buyer jumped, so I still got a blank set to offer.

Set is gone.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dannyp on Tue, 01 July 2014, 21:00:04
Tab pinned 24/7. F5 several times a day. Sweaty palms every time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Tue, 01 July 2014, 22:59:12
Tab pinned 24/7. F5 several times a day. Sweaty palms every time.

You're going to be having really sweaty palms for quite a while then  :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dannyp on Wed, 02 July 2014, 01:04:40
Am I thirsty because I'm dehydrated or dehydrated because I'm thirsty?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Thu, 03 July 2014, 09:01:18
Anyone want to trade their printed set for a blank? I'll pay the difference (+ whatever extra the offer is). I don't have much to trade, but I would be willing to trade Nerdom Keys from the SP Granite Group Buy I have.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: malu1989 on Thu, 03 July 2014, 15:04:33
Buyer jumped, so I still got a blank set to offer.

Hey, I'm interested. Sent you a PM.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: GeorgeK on Sun, 06 July 2014, 03:10:19
It won't be that much long wait! From the sound of things currently it should be another week or so for them to make sure the new plastic material is good to go then hopefully we should finally be starting production phase relatively soon after. Worst case scenario based on current info these should be to you in September. Odds are it will be sooner than this, but I haven't gotten a locked in production slot yet.
Once again apologies for the much longer than anticipated time frame and thanks for your continued patience.

Any update from the manufacturer as to whether this new material was suitable or not?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: boost on Mon, 07 July 2014, 08:59:20
It won't be that much long wait! From the sound of things currently it should be another week or so for them to make sure the new plastic material is good to go then hopefully we should finally be starting production phase relatively soon after. Worst case scenario based on current info these should be to you in September. Odds are it will be sooner than this, but I haven't gotten a locked in production slot yet.
Once again apologies for the much longer than anticipated time frame and thanks for your continued patience.

Any update from the manufacturer as to whether this new material was suitable or not?


^^this...

#needsblankset
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 07 July 2014, 10:24:58
Yes. It's good. Now just waiting for production slot.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Lu_e on Tue, 08 July 2014, 19:57:56
 :llama:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: GeorgeK on Wed, 09 July 2014, 05:38:24
Yes. It's good. Now just waiting for production slot.

Awesome :D 
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Thu, 10 July 2014, 17:23:33
Without sounding too forward here, is there any way we can start putting a bit of pressure on this?

I get that this takes time and patients is necessary in group buys but at the rate these delays are happening I'd expect the dolch set first..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Psybin on Thu, 10 July 2014, 17:38:26
Pressure on what? It's awaiting a production slot. These seem to be almost within grasp. 
I'm ok with a little delayed gratification, its what makes this hobby more interesting than most.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Thu, 10 July 2014, 17:48:54
Without sounding too forward here, is there any way we can start putting a bit of pressure on this?

I get that this takes time and patients is necessary in group buys but at the rate these delays are happening I'd expect the dolch set first..

There's no need to put pressure on anyone about anything here. It's not like there has been a lack of progress ... just a few days ago Ivan confirmed the PBT material is ready, we just need a production opening. The last thing anyone wants is a rushed product.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 10 July 2014, 19:49:05
I'm sorry it's taking way longer than expected. Yes PLUM is being slow, but they are also extremely diligent on making sure a good product is made. Most of the time has been issues with finding the right color and proper high quality material. Instead I'm sure some other places would have just churned out some junk and been all too ****ing bad about it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Thu, 10 July 2014, 20:03:22
I'm sorry it's taking way longer than expected. Yes PLUM is being slow, but they are also extremely diligent on making sure a good product is made. Most of the time has been issues with finding the right color and proper high quality material. Instead I'm sure some other places would have just churned out some junk and been all too ****ing bad about it.

I did not mean put pressure on you Ivan, I hope my comment wasn't taken like that.

It just seems PLUM isn't seeing much priority in this GB and maybe there was something we could do as members of the GB.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 11 July 2014, 01:14:43
I'm sorry it's taking way longer than expected. Yes PLUM is being slow, but they are also extremely diligent on making sure a good product is made. Most of the time has been issues with finding the right color and proper high quality material. Instead I'm sure some other places would have just churned out some junk and been all too ****ing bad about it.
I did not mean put pressure on you Ivan, I hope my comment wasn't taken like that.
It just seems PLUM isn't seeing much priority in this GB and maybe there was something we could do as members of the GB.
Please read his post. PLUM has been putting in a lot of effort.
But sourcing the right materials for the best possible colour is slow work and takes time. The base materials are most likely shipped by boat instead of the plane from various countries to keep costs low. If you have to redo a certain run or source new materials then you get hit with delays.

Keep in mind this, Black Dyesub on 'Black', hasn't been done before. It takes some testing to do properly.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Lu_e on Fri, 11 July 2014, 17:09:34
So they (IMSTO?) have already tested the printing?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 11 July 2014, 18:43:21
If anyone wants to jump ship I'm interested in a blank black or aurebesh
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 12 July 2014, 11:03:35
Yes dyesub test is done too.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Zacapa on Sat, 12 July 2014, 16:57:44
Will there be another round of this set in the near future?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 12 July 2014, 16:59:59
Will there be another round of this set in the near future?

There will likely be more buys of thick PBT cherry profile in the future, although I can't say for certain.

There probably won't be another buy in this colorway for a long time though -- I think some people have already waited years for this one. If you'd like to pick up a set, some people are selling their orders, or you can post in classifieds once the buy has been completed and you've made enough posts.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 12 July 2014, 17:02:02
Will there be another round of this set in the near future?

There will likely be more buys of thick PBT cherry profile in the future, although I can't say for certain.


I hope there will be more thick cherry PBT in the future.  That is all I use most of the time.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 12 July 2014, 17:53:41
As soon as this is actually wrapped up as in shipped out to all of you I will start a new PBT groupbuy probably on white. I have no idea when I will rerun black/dark PBT sets again though. Considering giving POM which would be in black a run since they are really cheap $28 per set price. But, those will only be blank or possible with engraved.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 12 July 2014, 19:00:43
POM would be sweet just to have around.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Sat, 12 July 2014, 19:43:37
As soon as this is actually wrapped up as in shipped out to all of you I will start a new PBT groupbuy probably on white. I have no idea when I will rerun black/dark PBT sets again though. Considering giving POM which would be in black a run since they are really cheap $28 per set price. But, those will only be blank or possible with engraved.

I would totally be down for a black Cherry profile POM blank set. I've never tried POM but if I were going to, that would be the set I would want. Especially for that price!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dante on Sat, 12 July 2014, 21:32:39
... Considering giving POM which would be in black a run since they are really cheap $28 per set price. But, those will only be blank or possible with engraved.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/11t9sYRP19MFd6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: t2russo on Sat, 12 July 2014, 21:33:56
Yes plz I'm lazy and don't want to organize anything.  POM and PBT compliment each other great and are a nice variety.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dante on Sat, 12 July 2014, 23:05:25
As soon as this is actually wrapped up as in shipped out to all of you I will start a new PBT groupbuy probably on white. I have no idea when I will rerun black/dark PBT sets again though. Considering giving POM which would be in black a run since they are really cheap $28 per set price. But, those will only be blank or possible with engraved.

If side engraved is possible this would be ideal.  There is only one board to have those types of keycaps and it was a Noppoo Choc Pro RF which was sold for a limited time.  Hell I love blank but I'd go with side print if it meant more buyers.  PLUM probably already set up for this.

(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/845415561/Noppoo-choc-pro-standard-black-tea-led-backlight-mini-mechanical-keyboard.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Zacapa on Sun, 13 July 2014, 06:45:08
I more or less know the difference between ABS and PBT. How is POM compared to those?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dante on Sun, 13 July 2014, 12:27:43
I more or less know the difference between ABS and PBT. How is POM compared to those?

Similiar to PBT but instead of feeling dry it feels "wet" and typically feel very smooth.

Like PBT it takes a while to shine.


Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 13 July 2014, 15:20:05
I more or less know the difference between ABS and PBT. How is POM compared to those?

Similiar to PBT but instead of feeling dry it feels "wet" and typically feel very smooth.

Like PBT it takes a while to shine.

It's denser than PBT and ABS, too, so feels heavier. IMHO it's the best feeling keycap material. It's "slicker" than ABS, but doesn't get "sticky" like smooth ABS. Deepens the switch sound even more than PBT.

I would absolutely LOVE a set of doubleshot thick Cherry profile POM caps!

I want legends, but that's a bit of a problem with POM since AFAIK they can't be dyesubbed, so the only untextured legend type is doubleshot.

I really don't like front-printed (ninja) legends... Got a Ducky with some and they aren't visible enough to help, since they tend to be hidden more by the angle I type at and my fingers. I may as well be typing with blanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Laser on Sun, 13 July 2014, 16:50:47

Due to summer $$ problems, i'm ready to let go to (transfer) my "BLACK on BLACK" set for the sum i paid for it
(75$ + 3$ GB fee + 13$ shipping + 4$ paypal tax = 95$).

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: PolaBurrr on Sun, 13 July 2014, 17:18:04
would the possible POM run in the future be thick? Do they even have thick POM?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 14 July 2014, 01:36:07
Yeah POM it's same thick like this
(http://www.hack.fi/~codehead/IMG_1516.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: bazh on Mon, 14 July 2014, 12:37:35
is that the same thickness with the POM caps on those black G80-3000 boards Ivan?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 14 July 2014, 13:10:25
Should use POM Juice colors and make Pom Poms.  Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa :p

[attach=1]
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 14 July 2014, 13:47:01
Yes same thing as Cherry POMs.

Other colors POM might be cool, but I am not sure about doing another very long lead time custom color deal again... maybe in the future. Black is what they make normally so I think it would be easier that way and a LOT faster.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 14 July 2014, 14:08:22
Should use POM Juice colors and make Pom Poms.  Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa :p

(Attachment Link)

WoR alphas with RoW mods?

For PBT, those red and white colours would be alright, but I'd truly love that GreenTea colourway!

For a POM set I'd rather have doubleshot WoB alphas and.... doubleshot WoB mods. With POM it may be possible to use a semi-translucent white, so they will also work for backlighting  :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Keytrun on Mon, 14 July 2014, 14:58:08
I haven't checked this page in a while and, honestly, until just the other day I completely forgot that I had even ordered a set. What exactly is going on with this? Weren't we originally supposed to get our sets back in March or April? Is there a projected time frame for when we'll get our keys?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: bazh on Mon, 14 July 2014, 23:21:06
wait, I thought they couldn't do doubleshot with POM?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: patthebaker17 on Tue, 15 July 2014, 00:48:02
If anyone is letting go a black on black US set please pm me!  ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Tue, 15 July 2014, 08:39:12
If anyone is letting go a black on black US set please pm me!  ;D

PM Laser!!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Ridillz on Wed, 16 July 2014, 19:39:30
The wait is real  :'( One blurry camera phone picture could keep me satiated for another 6 months
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Eszett on Thu, 17 July 2014, 17:04:51
As soon as this is actually wrapped up as in shipped out to all of you I will start a new PBT groupbuy probably on white.
I’m interested in white ones, Ivan, please inform me, when you get it going.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 17 July 2014, 19:17:50
I generally announce in the IC thread when it goes onto a buy so you could keep an eye on this http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0

I was kind of hesitant to post this as it's such a superbad potato... but here is a sample of the dyesub on a chip, not a key. It will give a rough idea of what we will be getting but the plastic won't be streaky.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: GSimon on Thu, 17 July 2014, 21:27:07
I generally announce in the IC thread when it goes onto a buy so you could keep an eye on this http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0

I was kind of hesitant to post this as it's such a superbad potato... but here is a sample of the dyesub on a chip, not a key. It will give a rough idea of what we will be getting but the plastic won't be streaky.
(Attachment Link)

Cool! I like it. Granted it's not the most impressive photo/sample but to me it's promising, at least contrast wise.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Thu, 17 July 2014, 21:41:19
I generally announce in the IC thread when it goes onto a buy so you could keep an eye on this http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0

I was kind of hesitant to post this as it's such a superbad potato... but here is a sample of the dyesub on a chip, not a key. It will give a rough idea of what we will be getting but the plastic won't be streaky.
(Attachment Link)

Oh god I'm regretting getting the blanks only  :( but I guess I'll be able to pick up a set in the classifieds hopefully if I want them bad enough.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 17 July 2014, 22:31:21
Ask for potato pics and ye shall receive
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: jorgenslee on Thu, 17 July 2014, 23:35:02
I generally announce in the IC thread when it goes onto a buy so you could keep an eye on this http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0

I was kind of hesitant to post this as it's such a superbad potato... but here is a sample of the dyesub on a chip, not a key. It will give a rough idea of what we will be getting but the plastic won't be streaky.
(Attachment Link)

Oh god I'm regretting getting the blanks only  :( but I guess I'll be able to pick up a set in the classifieds hopefully if I want them bad enough.

same here. I hope I could turn back time and change my order. I just got too many blank key set that my wife is complaining coz she cant use my keyboard..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 18 July 2014, 00:53:11
Visionary Elite dyesub orderers unite! :P

That looks great Ivan. As contrasty as you can expect from dyesub and dark enough to still be readable.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: cribbit on Fri, 18 July 2014, 01:06:45
+1 to doing POMs next.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Fri, 18 July 2014, 10:02:33
I generally announce in the IC thread when it goes onto a buy so you could keep an eye on this http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0

I was kind of hesitant to post this as it's such a superbad potato... but here is a sample of the dyesub on a chip, not a key. It will give a rough idea of what we will be getting but the plastic won't be streaky.
(Attachment Link)

Even though its a potato-pic, it still looks great. I'm more excited than ever for these!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Fri, 18 July 2014, 10:45:58
I generally announce in the IC thread when it goes onto a buy so you could keep an eye on this http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0

I was kind of hesitant to post this as it's such a superbad potato... but here is a sample of the dyesub on a chip, not a key. It will give a rough idea of what we will be getting but the plastic won't be streaky.
(Attachment Link)

Oh god I'm regretting getting the blanks only  :( but I guess I'll be able to pick up a set in the classifieds hopefully if I want them bad enough.

I'd say buy her her own keyboard but why doesn't she have her own computer?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 18 July 2014, 16:18:01
Very interested in a set of blank POM.

I love my DAS II keycaps and want more.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TaegeonLim on Fri, 18 July 2014, 18:58:18
If anyone wants to take my black on black, send PM. (total 94$)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 18 July 2014, 19:00:06
If anyone wants to take my black on black, send PM. (total 94$)

Why so much?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 18 July 2014, 19:36:34
My guess is international shipping?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 18 July 2014, 19:39:30
My guess is international shipping?

I figured with these still in production we could just transfer the order from him to someone.  If that's possible and the price were the original $75 I'd be interested.  I'm not interested in him shipping them from somewhere else when Ivan lives 1 state away from me.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TaegeonLim on Fri, 18 July 2014, 20:11:18
My guess is international shipping?

I figured with these still in production we could just transfer the order from him to someone.  If that's possible and the price were the original $75 I'd be interested.  I'm not interested in him shipping them from somewhere else when Ivan lives 1 state away from me.

That price is including internation shipping
my invoice from Ivan is (keycaps 75$ + shipping 13$ + GB Fee 3$ + PP Fee 3.64 = 94.64$)
Maybe someone in out of USA would prefer my transfer.
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Mooby on Sat, 19 July 2014, 05:28:27
My guess is international shipping?

I figured with these still in production we could just transfer the order from him to someone.  If that's possible and the price were the original $75 I'd be interested.  I'm not interested in him shipping them from somewhere else when Ivan lives 1 state away from me.

That 75$ is only for the caps. Groupbuy fees, paypal fees and shipping will be added when you get invoiced.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 20 July 2014, 22:00:25
My guess is international shipping?

I figured with these still in production we could just transfer the order from him to someone.  If that's possible and the price were the original $75 I'd be interested.  I'm not interested in him shipping them from somewhere else when Ivan lives 1 state away from me.

That 75$ is only for the caps. Groupbuy fees, paypal fees and shipping will be added when you get invoiced.

Yep, I know.  :)  I just don't want to pay $13 to have them shipped across an ocean, only to have them shipped straight back to me upon arrival.  That's the only thing I'm not a fan of.  I know there are GB fees and such, and that's totally fine.  I just would prefer to have the order transferred to me and have myself pay the US price instead.   :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: calavera on Sun, 20 July 2014, 22:05:36
Why don't you work it out with TaegonLim through PMs? Surely you can figure out what the shipping difference is to US vs Korea and see if he's willing to accept the US total price at a slight loss on his part which would be a few bucks probably.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 21 July 2014, 00:53:15
As soon as this is actually wrapped up as in shipped out to all of you I will start a new PBT groupbuy probably on white. I have no idea when I will rerun black/dark PBT sets again though. Considering giving POM which would be in black a run since they are really cheap $28 per set price. But, those will only be blank or possible with engraved.

Classic beige with the correct color non-stepped caps lock  :thumb:

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: bazh on Mon, 21 July 2014, 01:11:36
I'll be happy with a classic 2tone beige set  group buy with choices of legend color :v


besides, a monotone beige color set is good as well :p
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 21 July 2014, 01:48:06
As soon as this is actually wrapped up as in shipped out to all of you I will start a new PBT groupbuy probably on white. I have no idea when I will rerun black/dark PBT sets again though. Considering giving POM which would be in black a run since they are really cheap $28 per set price. But, those will only be blank or possible with engraved.

Classic beige with the correct color non-stepped caps lock  :thumb:

This man knows what's up :p

Classic beige is always worth considering!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: gameaholic on Mon, 21 July 2014, 02:48:24
I too would like classic beige with correct color non stepped caps lock as well as an extra stepped caps lock and windows 8 logos. 
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 21 July 2014, 03:33:10
My god I hope no win8 logos.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Mon, 21 July 2014, 10:30:07
My god I hope no win8 logos.


Sorry, bud


The new generation is here.


Jk, but nostalgia and being used to the old logo aside, isn't the win 8 logo just a lot cleaner? At least imo.


Or does everyone hate it because the os sucks?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: calavera on Mon, 21 July 2014, 12:10:03
I don't like window logos in general. They all look horrible on a board imo.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 21 July 2014, 22:27:42
I don't like window logos in general. They all look horrible on a board imo.

Some diamond logo caps would look good also.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: GSimon on Mon, 21 July 2014, 22:40:40
My god I hope no win8 logos.
Sorry, bud

The new generation is here.

Jk, but nostalgia and being used to the old logo aside, isn't the win 8 logo just a lot cleaner? At least imo.

Or does everyone hate it because the os sucks?

Looks better and is cleaner, keep it.

The new OS IS better, some people can't get over the new UI. I solved this Day 1 with 3rd party software (Start 8 ). In b4 "Users shouldn't have to fix it with software" not realizing the new OS is much better despite this one shortcoming they need to get over.

Either way, +1 for updated logo, old one makes me cringe, and diamond is generic and lame.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 21 July 2014, 23:07:16
Well hooray for those of you who like it.   I hate it (the logo) and will not be getting any sets with it unless there is some optional choice for win keys.

I have a notebook with 8.1, and once you add classic start (or something similar) it is more tolerable.  However I still much prefer windows7.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: KatzenKinder on Tue, 22 July 2014, 03:28:53
The windows 7(?) or older one just felt more balanced, even though the lines are cleaner on the new icon it feels imbalanced.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Tue, 22 July 2014, 08:41:04
I think a diamond, or SUPER if it's text, is the way to go. Or blank  :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Yslen on Tue, 22 July 2014, 08:48:56
I must be the only person who doesn't care one way or the other :P A windows key is a windows key is a windows key. So long as the legend is well formed I'm easy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 22 July 2014, 09:17:54
I must be the only person who doesn't care one way or the other :P A windows key is a windows key is a windows key. So long as the legend is well formed I'm easy.

I think everyone has an opinion about it, but few feel strong enough that it would make or break a purchasing decision.  Personally, I'm saving my energy to fight for R3 Ctrl next time an Ivan IC comes up :P
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: FingerPunch on Tue, 22 July 2014, 19:09:16
I generally announce in the IC thread when it goes onto a buy so you could keep an eye on this http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0

I was kind of hesitant to post this as it's such a superbad potato... but here is a sample of the dyesub on a chip, not a key. It will give a rough idea of what we will be getting but the plastic won't be streaky.
(Attachment Link)

Can I get my set in "streaky"?  :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Rewind on Tue, 22 July 2014, 19:14:48
The windows 7(?) or older one just felt more balanced, even though the lines are cleaner on the new icon it feels imbalanced.

100% Agreed. The new logo has this perspective/depth thing going on, which looks **** next to all the "flat" legends.

Edit: (http://i.imgur.com/fROI84y.gif)  Don't mind Bill lol...

3.1 would look the best on a keyboard imo.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Tue, 22 July 2014, 20:28:55
I'm not big on the win8 logo either, it looks distorted and imbalanced. It not enough to be a deal breaker for me though. For some reason I actually really like the 1.0 logo :))
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Tue, 22 July 2014, 20:45:59

I'm not big on the win8 logo either, it looks distorted and imbalanced. It not enough to be a deal breaker for me though. For some reason I actually really like the 1.0 logo :))

For me it's quite opposite

Windows 9/1.0 just looks like someone forgot what symmetrical window panes look like to me :/
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: lightsout714 on Tue, 22 July 2014, 21:08:12
I don't like window logos in general. They all look horrible on a board imo.

Some diamond logo caps would look good also.
Ugliest key ever! :) Not a fan of win8 logo on a keycap but the bog ugly diamonds look super cheesy to me. I felt the need to put that out there for some reason.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Tue, 22 July 2014, 21:13:49
Hahaha the longer this discussion goes on the clearer it becomes why Ivan chose blank super/win keys for the GMK dolch set ...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 22 July 2014, 21:36:55
Hahaha the longer this discussion goes on the clearer it becomes why Ivan chose blank super/win keys for the GMK dolch set ...

Thankful for the color pack, Windows 8 logo goodness.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: lightsout714 on Tue, 22 July 2014, 22:11:36
Hahaha the longer this discussion goes on the clearer it becomes why Ivan chose blank super/win keys for the GMK dolch set ...

Haha serious. I am glad I got the color pack though, almost didn't.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Heezy on Wed, 23 July 2014, 01:41:56
Anyone got a black set and a pack standard set to let go?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Wed, 23 July 2014, 07:13:47
Anyone got a black set and a pack standard set to let go?

Pack Standard isn't being produced since it didn't hit MOQ
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: gameaholic on Wed, 23 July 2014, 15:31:17
The windows 7(?) or older one just felt more balanced, even though the lines are cleaner on the new icon it feels imbalanced.

100% Agreed. The new logo has this perspective/depth thing going on, which looks **** next to all the "flat" legends.

Edit:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fROI84y.gif)
  Don't mind Bill lol...

3.1 would look the best on a keyboard imo.

Could we do a GMK group buy just for 1.25 windows logos?  I'd be down for White on Black and Black on Beige for 1.0 and 8.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: lightsout714 on Wed, 23 July 2014, 18:04:44
The windows 7(?) or older one just felt more balanced, even though the lines are cleaner on the new icon it feels imbalanced.

100% Agreed. The new logo has this perspective/depth thing going on, which looks **** next to all the "flat" legends.

Edit:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fROI84y.gif)
  Don't mind Bill lol...

3.1 would look the best on a keyboard imo.

Could we do a GMK group buy just for 1.25 windows logos?  I'd be down for White on Black and Black on Beige for 1.0 and 8.

You should run it ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 23 July 2014, 18:24:27
If someone dosen't want to do it first I was thinking about offering Windows and menu key as mini pack in next time with standard colors (beige and black) or another. Probably a good idea since it would be easy way to complete sets with existing RGB, CMYK or EK mods that don't have Windows and menu key.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: tbc on Wed, 23 July 2014, 21:55:29
ivan, any interest in running doubleshot pbt?

or is that just not physically possible at this time?

cause white on yellow winkeys (all of them logos?) would be baller.  part of a larger winkey mini pack.

from then on, just include blanks or diamonds* and tell everyone to buy their winkeys from a vendor.

that deal screws winkey lovers, but there are so many people that refuse to buy sets with winkey, it really hurts gbs.

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sulianjeo on Wed, 23 July 2014, 22:15:23
I know orders are closed, but is there anyway I can purchase a blank set?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: jorgenslee on Wed, 23 July 2014, 22:27:53
I know orders are closed, but is there anyway I can purchase a blank set?

I have a blank black set willing to let go. Paid ~73$ for it including gb fees, paypal fees and shipping. PM Incoming.

Taken. Thanks Sulianjeo. Ivan, YGPM.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: lightsout714 on Wed, 23 July 2014, 23:16:54
If someone dosen't want to do it first I was thinking about offering Windows and menu key as mini pack in next time with standard colors (beige and black) or another. Probably a good idea since it would be easy way to complete sets with existing RGB, CMYK or EK mods that don't have Windows and menu key.

I know it never ends but how about a center stemmed caps lock? I have a WOB set I got from an 1800. I have an RGB set and with the windows and menu key you speak of you still need the caps lock to complete it. Well and a space bar :) I guess were getting into moogle status at that point.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Oobly on Sat, 26 July 2014, 09:03:09
I'm very happy with blank winkeys, but I think "Meta" keys would rock. Or some other cross-platform non-trademarked symbol. I don't like ANY of the Windows logos. Solid color Win7 is the least offensive to my eyes.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Sat, 26 July 2014, 10:42:35
It seems the last couple pages are getting pretty off topic here.

Been a couple weeks of waiting for a production slot, hows that coming?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 29 July 2014, 09:18:17
Will we ever see a new round soon? I'm anticipating to pull the trigger on IMSTO's grey/black PBT caps. Though a Black Otaku set would be lovely.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Tue, 29 July 2014, 10:24:23
We haven't even seen this round..
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 29 July 2014, 10:30:20
Will we ever see a new round soon? I'm anticipating to pull the trigger on IMSTO's grey/black PBT caps. Though a Black Otaku set would be lovely.

Try and find someone's set to take over. You'll be waiting a long, long time for this to come around again.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: kaiyul on Tue, 29 July 2014, 17:21:33
I paid for a PBT BLACK 104 set back in March, but still have yet to receive any kind of news or updates regarding the keycaps. I've tried to read through this thread, but I haven't been able to find an answer as to whether or not the keys have entered/finished production, shipped out, etc. If someone could help me out and give me an updated regarding the status of these, I would appreciate it! Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Tue, 29 July 2014, 17:33:55
I paid for a PBT BLACK 104 set back in March, but still have yet to receive any kind of news or updates regarding the keycaps. I've tried to read through this thread, but I haven't been able to find an answer as to whether or not the keys have entered/finished production, shipped out, etc. If someone could help me out and give me an updated regarding the status of these, I would appreciate it! Thanks in advance!

Page 44:
Yes. It's good. Now just waiting for production slot.

Also, the thread title ...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 29 July 2014, 17:37:49
Yes sorry to say it's still in the same status. When I know something, you will know the same shortly after.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 30 July 2014, 09:33:43
PLUM has informed me finally with a production slot. Production will begin mid August. ETA to delivery mid September.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 30 July 2014, 10:08:17
(http://i.imgur.com/LS5z58g.gif)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 30 July 2014, 10:20:16
Were there any pre production pictures?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Lu_e on Wed, 30 July 2014, 14:52:47
 :llama: :llama: :llama: :llama: :llama:
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 30 July 2014, 19:42:52
PLUM has informed me finally with a production slot. Production will begin mid August. ETA to delivery mid September.

I'm going to need to update my shipping info then. I'll PM you after I move.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Rayne on Thu, 31 July 2014, 00:16:08
PLUM has informed me finally with a production slot. Production will begin mid August. ETA to delivery mid September.

I'm going to need to update my shipping info then. I'll PM you after I move.
Im probably going to have to do the same.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: justnits on Thu, 31 July 2014, 00:58:42
PLUM has informed me finally with a production slot. Production will begin mid August. ETA to delivery mid September.

ivan, when you say delivery in mid September, do you mean delivery from PLUM factory to dyesub factory or delivery to us?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 31 July 2014, 09:40:35
Expected delivery ETA to me.

Just PM me and address changes and I take care of it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Thu, 31 July 2014, 10:25:12
Expected delivery ETA to me.

So once they get to you, the sets that get dye sub still need to be shipped to Imsto? Once the dye sublimation is completed, he ships them back to you and you ship to us?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 31 July 2014, 11:26:47
No. When I get them will be all finish. Then I will just need up to couple weeks to get everything packed and shipped out to you.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: yearn4 on Thu, 07 August 2014, 06:14:31
anyone want to sell me their full touch blank caps lock pls i'll pay premium for it
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 07 August 2014, 08:37:15
No. When I get them will be all finish. Then I will just need up to couple weeks to get everything packed and shipped out to you.

Awesome... Great to have some movement on these sets. Looking forward to these as they're the first Group Buy sets I ordered after joining GH :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: BamBooBam on Thu, 07 August 2014, 11:49:56
Anyone has a Cherry Black on black/ cherry black on black RU, or Darkside set that I can take over  ;D ;D ;D THX :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: So1911 on Fri, 08 August 2014, 07:30:55
Looking to take over a CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub- $75 if anyone wants out.  Please PM or email. 
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: alon93 on Fri, 08 August 2014, 09:25:42
Willing to sell my blank set, I paid 73.84$ including fees and international shipping (I bet Ivan can refund the difference in shipping if you are from the US)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Sun, 10 August 2014, 21:52:11
This may be a silly question, but does Cherry profile imply an offset-stemmed caps lock, or is this set's center-stemmed?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: calavera on Sun, 10 August 2014, 21:54:28
Pretty sure it's center stem.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: minho on Sun, 10 August 2014, 21:58:10
Pretty sure it's center stem.

Isn't it both? I think this comes with stepped and full touch.

EDIT:
copied from OP: "Total 300 PBT sets ordered to go to production. Stepped caps lock is also included in each set as the 105th key."
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: strict on Sun, 10 August 2014, 21:59:05
This may be a silly question, but does Cherry profile imply an offset-stemmed caps lock, or is this set's center-stemmed?

I'm pretty sure this set comes with both a centered full touch capslock and an off-center stepped capslock

...
Total 300 PBT sets ordered to go to production. Stepped caps lock is also included in each set as the 105th key.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: calavera on Sun, 10 August 2014, 22:07:17
Yeah it comes with both. Was thinking he was asking about full touch for some reason.

Full touch capslock -> center stem
stepped capslock -> off-center stem
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 11 August 2014, 07:44:10
Yeah it comes with both. Was thinking he was asking about full touch for some reason.

Full touch capslock -> center stem
stepped capslock -> off-center stem

Ah got it. Thanks!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: mroverkill on Thu, 14 August 2014, 16:40:53
Willing to sell my blank set, I paid 73.84$ including fees and international shipping (I bet Ivan can refund the difference in shipping if you are from the US)

I'm interested.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Karura on Sun, 17 August 2014, 12:54:34
Looking for a black on black set. PM me.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Keytrun on Sun, 17 August 2014, 15:33:55
Why did this take so fricken long? I thought we were going to initially be getting these in May?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: tbc on Sun, 17 August 2014, 15:44:03
Why did this take so fricken long? I thought we were going to initially be getting these in May?

people dropping out (seriously - completely screwed everyone)
needed to find the proper material
had to get into the production queue


but we're pretty solid for september now.  happy thoughts :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: wilflare on Sun, 17 August 2014, 22:41:44
can't wait for these keys to arrive soon :D
my Filco keyboard needs a solid makeover
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: bueller on Mon, 18 August 2014, 05:59:43
If anyone wants to sell their set, let me know. Interested in Cherry Black on Black or the Cherry RU.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Tue, 19 August 2014, 19:45:25
We're fast approaching our final month here, this is ****ing exciting!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 19 August 2014, 20:06:05
I've been told they starting production finally... so yes hopefully not much longer than another month with transit times and all.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: TBone on Tue, 19 August 2014, 20:29:37
I've been told they starting production finally... so yes hopefully not much longer than another month with transit times and all.

YES!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/XYBgt.gif)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: calavera on Tue, 19 August 2014, 22:56:20
(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/calaveratf/lols/Calvin--Hobbes-Dance_zps9f54d6b5.gif)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: dannyp on Wed, 20 August 2014, 02:12:32
This is great because I definitely need a new F5 cap, even if it is pre-blanked ;).
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 20 August 2014, 07:00:18
I've been told they starting production finally... so yes hopefully not much longer than another month with transit times and all.

This is great news!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: atlas3686 on Thu, 21 August 2014, 03:25:59
I've been told they starting production finally... so yes hopefully not much longer than another month with transit times and all.

Great news, looking forward to these, am going to switch back to mx board for a while to get some use out of them :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (pre-production)
Post by: Lu_e on Fri, 22 August 2014, 18:29:10
Yissss.

You should change the title of the thread to a beautiful 'production'.

Thanks for making this buy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:28:19
Very excited. Falling in love with Cherry profile as I type.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: noideawhatsgoing on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:30:44
Is the spacebar for this set universal?  I'm wondering because I am thinking of picking up a FC750R.  It looks like universal spacebars that come with the Poker, etc. fit on the FC750R, but standard spacebars do not.  I have a FC700R now so I know the spacebar won't fit on this board.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 23 August 2014, 16:11:22
I believe so... as far as I know Plum 6.25 spacebar is like this:
(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201201/20/004545jpbw80vggbnfyc2t.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 23 August 2014, 16:48:23
I believe so... as far as I know Plum 6.25 spacebar is like this:
Show Image
(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201201/20/004545jpbw80vggbnfyc2t.jpg)


I'm looking forward to seeing how these turn out.  Would really like to get a a classic beige, Olivetti, or WYSE  dye-sub set.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 23 August 2014, 17:29:41
Speaking of spacebars, do you have any suggestions for a 7x spacebar that would somewhat match this set?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Sat, 23 August 2014, 17:43:04
Speaking of spacebars, do you have any suggestions for a 7x spacebar that would somewhat match this set?

Titanium?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 23 August 2014, 18:35:12
Speaking of spacebars, do you have any suggestions for a 7x spacebar that would somewhat match this set?

Titanium?
Don't really want to pay that much or spend the time hunting that down. Besides, that would be lighter than this keycap set. Titanium would be more of a lighter grey, this set is a lot closer to black than grey.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Sat, 23 August 2014, 19:01:04
Speaking of spacebars, do you have any suggestions for a 7x spacebar that would somewhat match this set?

Titanium?
Don't really want to pay that much or spend the time hunting that down. Besides, that would be lighter than this keycap set. Titanium would be more of a lighter grey, this set is a lot closer to black than grey.

Hit up the ol' Signature Plastics then, you'll have a hell of a time finding black 7x on it's own otherwise.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 23 August 2014, 19:31:22
Speaking of spacebars, do you have any suggestions for a 7x spacebar that would somewhat match this set?

Titanium?
Don't really want to pay that much or spend the time hunting that down. Besides, that would be lighter than this keycap set. Titanium would be more of a lighter grey, this set is a lot closer to black than grey.

Hit up the ol' Signature Plastics then, you'll have a hell of a time finding black 7x on it's own otherwise.
I have and I can't figure out which color to go with, I am thinking GX in the bottom right might work for me.
(http://keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absgray.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: GSimon on Sat, 23 August 2014, 19:47:56
I believe so... as far as I know Plum 6.25 spacebar is like this:
Show Image
(http://42.120.41.196/data/attachment/forum/201201/20/004545jpbw80vggbnfyc2t.jpg)


:D:D:D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 23 August 2014, 23:02:46
Speaking of spacebars, do you have any suggestions for a 7x spacebar that would somewhat match this set?

Titanium?
Don't really want to pay that much or spend the time hunting that down. Besides, that would be lighter than this keycap set. Titanium would be more of a lighter grey, this set is a lot closer to black than grey.

Hit up the ol' Signature Plastics then, you'll have a hell of a time finding black 7x on it's own otherwise.
I have and I can't figure out which color to go with, I am thinking GX in the bottom right might work for me.
Show Image
(http://keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absgray.jpg)


Grab 1 GX and 1 GB.
Or Feng has these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MKC-Black-Anodized-Aluminum-Spacebar-7x-Units-Cherry-MX-Keycap-/331034108926?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d132ba3fe
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 24 August 2014, 08:12:10
Probably the spacebar from Skidata set would be pretty close.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Sun, 24 August 2014, 08:35:59
Speaking of spacebars, do you have any suggestions for a 7x spacebar that would somewhat match this set?

Titanium?
Don't really want to pay that much or spend the time hunting that down. Besides, that would be lighter than this keycap set. Titanium would be more of a lighter grey, this set is a lot closer to black than grey.

Hit up the ol' Signature Plastics then, you'll have a hell of a time finding black 7x on it's own otherwise.
I have and I can't figure out which color to go with, I am thinking GX in the bottom right might work for me.
Show Image
(http://keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absgray.jpg)


I strongly suggest picking up the test pack of these tags from SP, it has been a great way to determine with your own eyes what will match and what won't. I've found their picture samples are like paint samples at Home Depot, they never match when you get them.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Lordbas on Sun, 24 August 2014, 12:50:22
Hi,

If anyone doesn't want his CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub, I want one , PM or mail me.

Tnx
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Barracuda on Mon, 25 August 2014, 15:56:32
Hi,

If anyone doesn't want his CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub, I want one , PM or mail me.

Tnx

Oh man, you beat me to it. If there's a second black on black left, I'll take it!
In the meantime @IvanIvanovich: can we expect another round of these sets? I'm really looking for a black  on black set :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: calavera on Tue, 26 August 2014, 00:20:45
Speaking of spacebars, do you have any suggestions for a 7x spacebar that would somewhat match this set?

Titanium?
Don't really want to pay that much or spend the time hunting that down. Besides, that would be lighter than this keycap set. Titanium would be more of a lighter grey, this set is a lot closer to black than grey.

Hit up the ol' Signature Plastics then, you'll have a hell of a time finding black 7x on it's own otherwise.
I have and I can't figure out which color to go with, I am thinking GX in the bottom right might work for me.
Show Image
(http://keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absgray.jpg)


Might as well ask this here. What color matches the off-white or creamy space bar from cherry the closest?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Tue, 02 September 2014, 09:02:47
IT'S SEPTEMBER!!:D

We have a picture on these yet? They have to have at least 1 set done no?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 02 September 2014, 10:59:18
Nothing yet.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: bjonbjonbjon on Sat, 06 September 2014, 07:36:28
 :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Yslen on Sat, 06 September 2014, 14:15:40
I'm getting lost with so many group buy on the go... How should I go about changing my postal address?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 06 September 2014, 17:46:22
To update mailing address just send to me in PM.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: appleonama on Sat, 06 September 2014, 19:35:51
Cherry black dye sub looks very nice
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: RexxxBosworth on Thu, 11 September 2014, 16:36:34
So I'm assuming the keys won't be arriving till sometime in October?  :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 11 September 2014, 17:47:17
So I'm assuming the keys won't be arriving till sometime in October?  :(

Keys are in production now. Once the physical keys have been made, the dyesub needs to happen, then Ivan can start shipping them out. Exactly how long that'll take is anyone's guess. These custom set buys take some time, but are well worth it :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: catbuster on Fri, 12 September 2014, 04:54:37
Actually i am getting impatient... Never imagined it can take so long :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 12 September 2014, 06:14:03
Sigh... 10 months is a long wait for keycaps. I believe a couple of 7bit's Group Buys have taken longer, though.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: strict on Fri, 12 September 2014, 07:26:48
(http://i.imgur.com/hYcXVRh.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Fri, 12 September 2014, 07:40:41
(http://i32.tinypic.com/e9yj9s.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Ridillz on Fri, 12 September 2014, 09:09:24
The longer the wait, the sweeter the satisfaction when they finally arrive. That being said this is my first group buy, and knowing what I know now I wish I had signed up for a couple more lol. Only having this one thread to check 3 times a day was painful to the nth degree
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Barracuda on Fri, 12 September 2014, 11:04:32
Wait, so this means I'll have to wait until the next round + 10 months to get this set?  :eek: :eek:
D:  :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Fri, 12 September 2014, 11:30:23
I won't lie, I'm getting impatient too but it's not Ivan I'm impatient with it's Plum that seems to do very little updating if any at all.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: bueller on Fri, 12 September 2014, 11:49:58
Anyone want to trade their Cherry or  Cyrillic order for my Penumbra set with white alphas and tsangan? Unused.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 12 September 2014, 16:36:31
Anyone want to trade their Cherry or  Cyrillic order for my Penumbra set with white alphas and tsangan? Unused.

PM sent.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: spookymikal on Sat, 13 September 2014, 08:03:01
Is it too late to get in on a set of blank blacks?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: strict on Sat, 13 September 2014, 09:28:03
Is it too late to get in on a set of blank blacks?

Yep, you're only options currently are to either buy someones order out or wait for a set to pop up in the classifieds.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Rayne on Sat, 13 September 2014, 20:28:34
Is it too late to get in on a set of blank blacks?
i would be willing to transfer mine if you want, i will pm the details! :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: spookymikal on Sun, 14 September 2014, 07:13:39
Is it too late to get in on a set of blank blacks?
i would be willing to transfer mine if you want, i will pm the details! :)

You're a saint and a scholar. I sent ivan a pm to get his blessing. Once I have it I will absolutely buy out your order.

:D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Rayne on Sun, 14 September 2014, 17:41:42
Is it too late to get in on a set of blank blacks?
i would be willing to transfer mine if you want, i will pm the details! :)

You're a saint and a scholar. I sent ivan a pm to get his blessing. Once I have it I will absolutely buy out your order.

:D
sounds good my friend
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: mountainwizard on Mon, 15 September 2014, 13:30:36
Recently lost my job :(

Anyone willing to pick up my Blanks? I paid $64.48 after fees, etc. Nevermind!

Thanks very much everyone!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Barracuda on Mon, 15 September 2014, 18:36:57
Recently lost my job :(

Anyone willing to pick up my Blanks? I paid $64.48 after fees, etc.

Damn, I wish you the best in getting back on track!
I would love to help you out, but my typing skills are not proficient for blanks :s
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Vitamins on Tue, 16 September 2014, 04:20:05
Just got a new black aluminum case for my Poker II from the Pexon group buy - which is literally perfect.
If anyone wants to unload their Cherry Black on Black dyesub sets let me know, I'd gladly take it off your hands.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Veteranos on Fri, 19 September 2014, 03:15:32
Did the black-blank keys are sent already? got an informative to pick for this Monday, from US and i'm saying that cause i haven't ordered anything else this time...so maybe are the blank pbt's?  ;D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: tbc on Fri, 19 September 2014, 03:20:45
no.  they're still weeks away
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: frosty on Fri, 19 September 2014, 03:24:19
Anyone with blanks and do not want their set please pm me!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Veteranos on Fri, 19 September 2014, 03:35:26
no.  they're still weeks away

 :'(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: minho on Fri, 19 September 2014, 05:00:08
Anyone with blanks and do not want their set please pm me!

YGPM
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 19 September 2014, 08:49:09
Yes these are still some ways off. Sadly I haven't been able to get any more specific info than they are in production, and done 'soon'.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: dante on Fri, 19 September 2014, 09:21:15
Yes these are still some ways off. Sadly I haven't been able to get any more specific info than they are in production, and done 'soon'.

I'm looking forward to this GB being over for very different reasons: I want you to get the POM GB going :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 19 September 2014, 09:22:02
As long as PLUM takes to get anything done I'm not so sure about using them again.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: dante on Fri, 19 September 2014, 09:27:20
As long as PLUM takes to get anything done I'm not so sure about using them again.

:(  Please don't lose the faith.  PBT is so common - POM so rare - it's worth it. :(
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 19 September 2014, 09:38:18
Are there no other manufacturers who do POM?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: dante on Fri, 19 September 2014, 09:42:33
Are there no other manufacturers who do POM?

Keycool does but the caps are OEM profile and a tad thin.

KBC used to sell really amazing Rainbow POM keycaps but hasn't manufactured any in a long time - and neither Feng, Imsto, or Qtan seem interested in getting more.

You could steal POM off a Cherry board - but it won't be complete - and they will have lasered legends.

Very very rare.  WORTH the wait.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Fri, 19 September 2014, 10:20:39
As long as PLUM takes to get anything done I'm not so sure about using them again.
I wonder if Leopold might be an option going forward, those PBT caps available for purchase on ebay are great quality.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 19 September 2014, 10:34:12
I would like to find out who actually makes the caps for Leopold, but haven't had any success. Might need a Korean to try Leopold KR directly.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 19 September 2014, 16:18:14
As long as PLUM takes to get anything done I'm not so sure about using them again.
I wonder if Leopold might be an option going forward, those PBT caps available for purchase on ebay are great quality.

They're not Cherry profile, though. Somewhere in between OEM and Cherry from what I can tell.

I'm also looking forward to some nice high quality POM caps in Cherry profile... Please? I don't mind waiting for them.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 19 September 2014, 16:26:07
The new Leopold sets... I really can't tell the difference if there is any between my Cherry keys. They are definitely not taller than Cherry and have sharp corners and etc. Not the older ones, I wouldn't give a **** about those.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: GSimon on Fri, 19 September 2014, 16:37:45
I would like to find out who actually makes the caps for Leopold, but haven't had any success. Might need a Korean to try Leopold KR directly.

Hope you can make it happen! Those keys in red would be awesome. And ya the old Leopold keys are terrible in comparison haha, surprised at how they were somewhat praised for their quality at one point.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: noideawhatsgoing on Sat, 20 September 2014, 11:03:24
I would like to find out who actually makes the caps for Leopold, but haven't had any success. Might need a Korean to try Leopold KR directly.

Hope you can make it happen! Those keys in red would be awesome. And ya the old Leopold keys are terrible in comparison haha, surprised at how they were somewhat praised for their quality at one point.

I love the rough texture on the old ones, though.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: spookymikal on Sun, 21 September 2014, 08:25:16
Have they given any estimate for a completion date or is it just "it's done when it's done"?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Karura on Sun, 21 September 2014, 08:26:01
Ivan, do you know if anyone is backing out of their CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub set?

PM me if you want to let go of your CHERRY BLACK on BLACK set!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: lolkey on Sun, 21 September 2014, 11:08:38
Have they given any estimate for a completion date or is it just "it's done when it's done"?

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Rayne on Sun, 21 September 2014, 17:41:59
Have they given any estimate for a completion date or is it just "it's done when it's done"?


Yes these are still some ways off. Sadly I haven't been able to get any more specific info than they are in production, and done 'soon'.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: henz on Tue, 23 September 2014, 14:44:16
if anyone is interested, i can pick up their black on blacks or blanks.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: dante on Tue, 23 September 2014, 15:05:22
I'm also looking forward to some nice high quality POM caps in Cherry profile... Please? I don't mind waiting for them.

Assuming payment was taken in the next month or two I would have no problems waiting until 3rd/4th quarter 2015 for delivery.

PLUM may even knock the MOQ down considering how long this one is taking.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Tue, 23 September 2014, 18:35:02
Yeah, I'd have a problem with that, this has been pushed enough.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 24 September 2014, 02:07:30
The new Leopold sets... I really can't tell the difference if there is any between my Cherry keys. They are definitely not taller than Cherry and have sharp corners and etc. Not the older ones, I wouldn't give a **** about those.

I stand corrected! Thank you for this info... <starts looking on eBay for Leopold sets...> JK! No need to with this and GMK Dolch on their way :D But it is nice to know there are more Cherry-like profile sets to choose from. Really curious now about who makes them.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Shinryuu on Thu, 25 September 2014, 12:16:18
How's this thing going? ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 25 September 2014, 12:32:37
It's in production still is all I know about it at the moment.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: pr1me on Thu, 25 September 2014, 15:34:19

If anyone want to take over my black on black order, Let me know, 1 set ~95usd (if ivan can still make the switch.)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Barracuda on Thu, 25 September 2014, 15:48:10

If anyone want to take over my black on black order, Let me know, 1 set ~95usd (if ivan can still make the switch.)

Sent you a pm
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Ridillz on Fri, 26 September 2014, 08:45:57
to be fair I'm pretty sure I remember Ivan saying that production would take 5-6 weeks after it begins. back in feb or so. Its been four-ish weeks at this point?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: spookymikal on Fri, 26 September 2014, 09:33:46
to be fair I'm pretty sure I remember Ivan saying that production would take 5-6 weeks after it begins. back in feb or so. Its been four-ish weeks at this point?

So there's a chance I'll get these before christmas? :D

Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: bazh on Fri, 26 September 2014, 13:58:09
be prepare for the unexpected situations, this is the first time we doing GB with PLUM so no one can be sure of anything
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Fri, 26 September 2014, 21:11:36
I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: strict on Fri, 26 September 2014, 21:22:05
I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

I seriously don't understand your unrelenting negativity and petulance. Group buys take time, plenty of them have taken way longer than this and even more will take longer in the future. You need to find a new hobby if you can't learn to be a little more patient. You should just be thankful that Ivan was willing to go through the enormous effort required to put this together.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Karura on Fri, 26 September 2014, 22:52:28
I'm now in :)

Can't wait to receive. Should be interesting to see how it compares to IMSTO's black on grey dyesubs.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Shinryuu on Sat, 27 September 2014, 02:24:23

If anyone want to take over my black on black order, Let me know, 1 set ~95usd (if ivan can still make the switch.)

Thanks for the info :)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: dante on Sat, 27 September 2014, 06:50:03
I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

I seriously don't understand your unrelenting negativity and petulance. Group buys take time, plenty of them have taken way longer than this and even more will take longer in the future. You need to find a new hobby if you can't learn to be a little more patient. You should just be thankful that Ivan was willing to go through the enormous effort required to put this together.

^ This times eleventy million.

This is a CUSTOM order for a product you will likely never see produced again.  Ivan is busting his ass for not only handling and shuffling around hundreds of orders but will also have to deal with packaging everything up.  Show some ****ing patience and gratitude!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Sat, 27 September 2014, 08:40:09
I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

I seriously don't understand your unrelenting negativity and petulance. Group buys take time, plenty of them have taken way longer than this and even more will take longer in the future. You need to find a new hobby if you can't learn to be a little more patient. You should just be thankful that Ivan was willing to go through the enormous effort required to put this together.

^ This times eleventy million.

This is a CUSTOM order for a product you will likely never see produced again.  Ivan is busting his ass for not only handling and shuffling around hundreds of orders but will also have to deal with packaging everything up.  Show some ****ing patience and gratitude!

LOL Ivan hasn't taken a new order in months, the only "shuffling" happening here is customer to customer and Ivan changes the name on his Google Doc.. SOO MUCH WORK.. Fix your glass feelings, I made a generic statement about a product promised to buyers and I'll say it, it's not a coincidence that amount of people dropping out.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: pr1me on Sat, 27 September 2014, 09:56:37

If anyone want to take over my black on black order, Let me know, 1 set ~95usd (if ivan can still make the switch.)

Update : Order is sold.
Thanks for the PM's.  :thumb:




Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 27 September 2014, 10:22:25
I said it months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if I open my christmas presents first.

I seriously don't understand your unrelenting negativity and petulance. Group buys take time, plenty of them have taken way longer than this and even more will take longer in the future. You need to find a new hobby if you can't learn to be a little more patient. You should just be thankful that Ivan was willing to go through the enormous effort required to put this together.

^ This times eleventy million.

This is a CUSTOM order for a product you will likely never see produced again.  Ivan is busting his ass for not only handling and shuffling around hundreds of orders but will also have to deal with packaging everything up.  Show some ****ing patience and gratitude!

LOL Ivan hasn't taken a new order in months, the only "shuffling" happening here is customer to customer and Ivan changes the name on his Google Doc.. SOO MUCH WORK.. Fix your glass feelings, I made a generic statement about a product promised to buyers and I'll say it, it's not a coincidence that amount of people dropping out.

To be fair, Sergeant_Shart previously mentioned his impatience was with PLUM and not with Ivan.  Perhaps he should have reiterated that instead of asserting that Ivan hasn't done much work with this GB lately which - true or not - is irrelevant.  Ivan has moved quickly with all the parts under his control.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: j0hnny on Wed, 01 October 2014, 10:30:10
HAHA it's almost our 1 year thick black pbt keycap anniversary! I totally forgot I had these ordered.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: spookymikal on Wed, 01 October 2014, 14:14:01
I'm pretty glad I got in late on this buy.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Karura on Wed, 01 October 2014, 18:39:42
Just wondering, are there production examples of PLUM keycaps? Like did they make any other set we can look at as reference?

I'm guessing IMSTOs thick PBT aren't plum, but maybe someone knows better
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: tbc on Wed, 01 October 2014, 20:06:58
noppoo choc mini?  but that would be POM
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 01 October 2014, 20:30:51
There is pictures of some Plum produced stuff through the thread if you want to roll back through it.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Thu, 02 October 2014, 09:01:08
ABS can look exactly like PBT, I've never seen plum and signed on when it was still 'IMSTO THICK PBT' we have pretty much no idea what these caps are going to feel like only a fuzzy example of what they will resemble in appearance.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: spookymikal on Thu, 02 October 2014, 09:34:22
There is pictures of some Plum produced stuff through the thread if you want to roll back through it.

For the lazy:

I think these are Plum PBT caps with pad printing (not dyesub like you're getting)

(http://www39.tx8cdn.com/photo/xiaqoli/plum96_005.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9yXOT55.png)

These are POM not PBT but made by Plum (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49081.0)

Ivan, you also made some posts back in march about samples being produced but then they changed the material supplier from the japanese one to du point. Did you get any samples of those pictures so we can get an idea of the thickness?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 02 October 2014, 09:53:29
Yes they will be thick like their POM ones, same thick like Cherry imsto, BSP, OG Cherry.
I haven't gotten any samples, pics of samples or any further updates out of them for awhile now. I will have to go chasing after them I suppose.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: Sergeant_Shart on Thu, 02 October 2014, 11:58:53
What could it hurt right, I mean they've been in production for a while now, they've got to at least have an update for you. Maybe one of their machines broke, we have no idea but it would be awesome if they even fired an email at you.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: connorelsea on Thu, 02 October 2014, 21:54:10
Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: TBone on Thu, 02 October 2014, 22:38:06
Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

No, but you may be able to pick up someone's order or find some in the classifieds once they ship.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: minho on Fri, 03 October 2014, 00:13:13
Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

If Ivan's down with it, I'd be happy to transfer an order to you.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: TLExile on Fri, 03 October 2014, 04:19:26
Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

If Ivan's down with it, I'd be happy to transfer an order to you.

Damn that if only i could get in on that^
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: zippox on Fri, 03 October 2014, 07:30:21
This GB must be frustrating for Ivan. Keep a positive attitude and soon this will be over! :D
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: spookymikal on Fri, 03 October 2014, 09:58:18
This GB must be frustrating for Ivan. Keep a positive attitude and soon this will be over! :D

Judging by the length of time most people have been waiting, I'd venture that Ivan isn't the only one frustrated.

I don't mind personally, since I literally got in on the GB a few weeks ago, but reading through this thread start to finish, I could definitely see being frustrated if I'd been waiting from the beginning. As far back as April people were being told the caps would be "entering production shortly! Just a few more weeks!"

And it's not like it's Ivan's fault. He's just repeating the information given to him and assuming that it was accurate and true information.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: CK Briefs on Fri, 03 October 2014, 11:12:01
This GB must be frustrating for Ivan. Keep a positive attitude and soon this will be over! :D

Judging by the length of time most people have been waiting, I'd venture that Ivan isn't the only one frustrated.

I don't mind personally, since I literally got in on the GB a few weeks ago, but reading through this thread start to finish, I could definitely see being frustrated if I'd been waiting from the beginning. As far back as April people were being told the caps would be "entering production shortly! Just a few more weeks!"

And it's not like it's Ivan's fault. He's just repeating the information given to him and assuming that it was accurate and true information.


Lol your comment reminded me that this started in Nov last year.


Ah, how time flies :/
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: connorelsea on Fri, 03 October 2014, 15:01:03
Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

If Ivan's down with it, I'd be happy to transfer an order to you.

I'm new here and I've heard some bad things about group buys on this forum. Especially from reddit, but I don't really know what's true or not. What exactly are group buys and why is this one taking so long?
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 03 October 2014, 15:10:32
Are these still for sale? I've been looking for blank black PBT key caps forever!

If Ivan's down with it, I'd be happy to transfer an order to you.

I'm new here and I've heard some bad things about group buys on this forum. Especially from reddit, but I don't really know what's true or not. What exactly are group buys and why is this one taking so long?

First of all a group buy is a bunch of fellow enthusiasts pooling their resources to purchase things they otherwise wouldn't be able to get and/or get for a decent price. In this case a keyset which didn't exist.

Ivan was very clear and has been that this would all be a learning process for this set. I believe a bulk of the time after orders ended was spent finding a proper plastic to be used to actually make these so they could be properly dye-subed.

Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: strict on Fri, 03 October 2014, 17:13:10
First of all a group buy is a bunch of fellow enthusiasts pooling their resources to purchase things they otherwise wouldn't be able to get and/or get for a decent price. In this case a keyset which didn't exist.

Ivan was very clear and has been that this would all be a learning process for this set. I believe a bulk of the time after orders ended was spent finding a proper plastic to be used to actually make these so they could be properly dye-subed.

Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.

+1

This group buy isn't taking that long, we just have a very vocal minority that has unrealistic expectations.

Also, dont trust 96% of what you read on reddit. There was a post on the front page today that is very fitting for this situation - "The more I read comments on reddit about things I know about, the more I see that I should stop trusting comments on things I know nothing about." (https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/2i4cx8/the_more_i_read_comments_on_reddit_about_things_i/)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 03 October 2014, 17:29:48
Honestly the biggest problem with group buys is people who don't know what they are getting into.
This.

It looks like most people who have never participated in a GB think it is just collecting money, handing it over and then walking away with the product. So anything over 2 months becomes "long".
Especially for the prices we manage to negotiate, production is in line with what you can expect. And if anything goes wrong (f.e. Wrong plastic), you miss a production slot and a buy gets delayed.
Only because of the experience of some of the GB organizers (Ivan, Matt, Bunnylake, to name a few) and some improved systems like at Signature Plastics we have seen some pretty quick GBs in the last year or so. Before that it was not uncommon for them to take around a year to materialize. Round 4 (http://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/doubleshot-replacements-round-4-t1376.html) for example took nearly 2 years because of the complexity. That is why Ivan has drastically decreased the number of options.

But there have been a few rotten apples. People who took the money, started production and because life intervened were never able to deliver. Or some people who outright scammed people.
These are fortunately very rare.

As always buyer beware and if something feels off, don't participate.
If you expect it to be delivered on time, don't bother. Pretty much every project in business gets delayed and we don't even have the business clause necessary to do something about it.
It is based on trust, but that trust sometimes delivers truly special things for a mish-mash of people from this community and others...
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: spookymikal on Fri, 03 October 2014, 17:39:39
Won't it be nice when 3d printing gets to a point that it can replace the need for group buys?

Can't wait.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 03 October 2014, 17:42:30
Won't it be nice when 3d printing gets to a point that it can replace the need for group buys?

Can't wait.
Instant gratification FTW!

Then you will be waiting for the designers to come up with designs though. ;)
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Fri, 03 October 2014, 21:17:57
I've been in this for a while and am actually enjoying it. The wait is part of the experience, especially for a set like this.
Title: Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
Post by: demik on Fri, 03 October 2014, 21:21:20
I