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Title: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 29 March 2014, 22:51:02
I'm using Arch at home and Ubuntu at work.

Whats the general GH Linux concensus?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 29 March 2014, 22:59:00
I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(

I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:01:49
I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:06:43
Redhat at work, Windows at home.  If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine.  In the past I've done dual boot setups at home with Windows + Ubuntu or Fedora, and ended up never booting into linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:07:25
I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(

I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.

Cant go wrong with Ubuntu, was my first Distro and still use it daily.

I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.

Been meaning to try funtoo, whats the longest you've had an install for?

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:08:20
Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:08:48
Redhat at work, Windows at home.  If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine.  In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.

Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:10:04
Redhat at work, Windows at home.  If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine.  In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.

Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.

Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.

Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:12:13
I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.

Been meaning to try funtoo, whats the longest you've had an install for?
I only just jumped on the linux bandwagon, so I've been using it for about 4 months. Haven't really run into any problems. It's definitely worth a try, but if you don't have the time/patience to compile everything, then it's a horrible choice.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:12:47
Using Arch on my RasPi. Ubuntu at work when I have the choice. We have a lot of CentOS running in production at work, so I spend a lot of time with it. I want to spend some time with Linux Mint when I have a chance.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:13:05
Redhat at work, Windows at home.  If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine.  In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.

Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.

Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.

Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.

So far, yes.

So far I have one physical server running it, mostly just a file server.  And one VM with a few dev tools that I use for about 25% of my programming work.

What is it that drives you up the wall with CentOS?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:13:14
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that my droplet on DigitalOcean is Ubuntu Server. :D

I tried CentOS, but again the familiarity pulled me back.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:15:04
Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.

I'm ambivalent I suppose, as an end-user.  The systems folks manage everything so I can't speak to that end of it.  Mainly I love the vim + terminal workflow and tiling window managers, which will work on any distro.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:17:06
Redhat at work, Windows at home.  If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine.  In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.

Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.

Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.

Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.

So far, yes.

So far I have one physical server running it, mostly just a file server.  And one VM with a few dev tools that I use for about 25% of my programming work.

What is it that drives you up the wall with CentOS?

One example of my annoyence with CentOS is how they handle the network interfaces. I really like the /etc/network/interfaces file in Ubuntu. Everything in one place. In CentOS you have to go into that net-cfg folder, I think, something like that (network-scripts maybe?) and edit the different IPs, netmasks, etc for the interfaces. You then have to go to a seperate file and edit the gateway, broadcast. Like, I just dont understand why they did that, why not consolidate it all in one file? Its things like that that irritate me about CentOS. Just like, the whole file layout/hierarchy.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:20:14
I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.

Been meaning to try funtoo, whats the longest you've had an install for?
I only just jumped on the linux bandwagon, so I've been using it for about 4 months. Haven't really run into any problems. It's definitely worth a try, but if you don't have the time/patience to compile everything, then it's a horrible choice.

What distro are you using that you have to compile everything? Most linux distro have better package managers than "modern" OSes.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:22:17
I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.

Been meaning to try funtoo, whats the longest you've had an install for?
I only just jumped on the linux bandwagon, so I've been using it for about 4 months. Haven't really run into any problems. It's definitely worth a try, but if you don't have the time/patience to compile everything, then it's a horrible choice.

What distro are you using that you have to compile everything? Most linux distro have better package managers than "modern" OSes.

He's using funtoo -- yay compiling and c-flags!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:22:39
What distro are you using that you have to compile everything? Most linux distro have better package managers than "modern" OSes.
Funtoo, it's a derivative of gentoo. It allows for optimized performance by only compiling the features of a program that you will actually use.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: oluf on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:25:41
I used Red Hat from ~96 to 2002.. Debian ever since. Personally, not a fan of all the 'extra' stuff (...and their dependencies) many distros install.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:28:30
I used Red Hat from ~96 to 2002.. Debian ever since. Personally, not a fan of all the 'extra' stuff (...and their dependencies) many distros install.

A man after my own heart. dpkg master race reporting in.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: daerid on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:34:14
Xubuntu here. I'm not a big fan of all the eye-candy that you get with K?ubuntu by default. I would use CentOS (I've got a VM because we have CentOS servers in production and gotta make sure stuff's compatible), but I tend to stay on the bleeding edge, and CentOS's packages are usually quite out of date (as they prioritize stability over having the latest features).

My main box is Win 8, run my *nix boxes under VirtualBox.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:35:00
Redhat at work, Windows at home.  If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine.  In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.

Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.

Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.

Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.

So far, yes.

So far I have one physical server running it, mostly just a file server.  And one VM with a few dev tools that I use for about 25% of my programming work.

What is it that drives you up the wall with CentOS?

CentOS is often considered to be the best for production machines. This is mainly because it is much slower to pick up recent software changes. This makes it more long term stable, but not having recent versions of software can sometimes be annoying. Eg: Python defaults to version 2.6 and yum depends on that version, so you can't upgrade the default python version or yum will break. There are ways around this, but this is the type of thing you have to deal with when using CentOS.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:37:11
What distro are you using that you have to compile everything? Most linux distro have better package managers than "modern" OSes.
Funtoo, it's a derivative of gentoo. It allows for optimized performance by only compiling the features of a program that you will actually use.

I thought I was crazy for using arch.  Thats Loco. :P
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: daerid on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:51:04
Gentoo? psssshhh....

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:52:29
Gentoo? psssshhh....

Show Image
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)


Lol, great strip. In all seriousness though, vim masterrace reporting in.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:54:26
Redhat at work, Windows at home.  If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine.  In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.

Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.

Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.

Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.

So far, yes.

So far I have one physical server running it, mostly just a file server.  And one VM with a few dev tools that I use for about 25% of my programming work.

What is it that drives you up the wall with CentOS?

One example of my annoyence with CentOS is how they handle the network interfaces. I really like the /etc/network/interfaces file in Ubuntu. Everything in one place. In CentOS you have to go into that net-cfg folder, I think, something like that (network-scripts maybe?) and edit the different IPs, netmasks, etc for the interfaces. You then have to go to a seperate file and edit the gateway, broadcast. Like, I just dont understand why they did that, why not consolidate it all in one file? Its things like that that irritate me about CentOS. Just like, the whole file layout/hierarchy.

I haven't had to worry about that yet.  As long as you remember to check "initialise interfaces at startup" or something, LAN connectivity is enabled at boot time (it is strange that it is not enabled by default).

Guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:56:24
Gentoo? psssshhh....

Show Image
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)


Lol, great strip. In all seriousness though, vim masterrace reporting in.

In the terminal vim is king. I usually use sublime text otherwise (but that's off topic)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:58:12
Gentoo? psssshhh....

Show Image
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)


I had this very strip hanging outside my office for a year or two.  One of the best xkcds ever, and that's saying a lot. :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 30 March 2014, 01:35:12
I prefer Debian with Cinnamon, which Mint now offers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: StylinGreymon on Sun, 30 March 2014, 01:58:21
I use Manjaro.
I also use i3 as my window manager.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sun, 30 March 2014, 11:30:12
I use Manjaro.
I also use i3 as my window manager.

I'm really impressed with Manjaro. Been using Arch for ages, but I really like how they package it, still need to check it out.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Sun, 30 March 2014, 11:32:31
Archlinux since 2008 and before that Slackware. Linux is only fun when it's hard and nothing works.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sun, 30 March 2014, 11:41:33
Archlinux since 2008 and before that Slackware. Linux is only fun when it's hard and nothing works.

Love Arch, just wondering, why did you switch from Slackware?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: eddie on Sun, 30 March 2014, 11:45:30
debian with gnome
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Sun, 30 March 2014, 12:13:37
Archlinux since 2008 and before that Slackware. Linux is only fun when it's hard and nothing works.

Love Arch, just wondering, why did you switch from Slackware?

It got to the point where having a package manager during daily operation was actually quite nice. Slackware's package manager only exists at install time. After that it's make && make install all the way.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Smasher816 on Sun, 30 March 2014, 12:18:29
Arch Linux!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tipo33 on Sun, 30 March 2014, 12:26:20
I use debian, though I have considered trying arch as a learning experience.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wyatt8740 on Sun, 30 March 2014, 12:56:52
Arch on my iMac and Linuxmint (debian based) on my homebuilt computer. I use mint for my games mostly, because it's already got most of what games need. I use arch for programming. I use MATE (a GNOME 2 fork that is actually being maintained and developed) for both of them.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sun, 30 March 2014, 13:02:38
This is a great thread. Love all the quality input and experience.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 30 March 2014, 13:12:09
Kubuntu dual booted with Windows 7 on desktop.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dante on Sun, 30 March 2014, 16:00:52
Mint/XFCE
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: CJNE on Sun, 30 March 2014, 16:12:45
I use Arch Linux with awesome wm on the laptop, at work we have a mix of Ubuntu and CentOS on the servers.
OS X for my main workstations but i'm getting tempted now and then to run Linux on there as well, i really like Awesome and there are nothing quite as good for OS X.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Sun, 30 March 2014, 16:15:57
Linux mint 16 with cinnamon here. Previously used fedora, aptosid, sidux, ubuntu and debian on my main pc.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sun, 30 March 2014, 16:24:53
Linux mint 16 with cinnamon here. Previously used fedora, aptosid, sidux, ubuntu and debian on my main pc.

This is what I want to try.  Are you enjoying this setup?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Protato_Tubby on Sun, 30 March 2014, 17:49:44
At home I dual-boot With Debian with Gnome 3 and Windows (Windows for most games, Debian for everything else). At school I'm forced to use Windows, despite my computing course demanding that we should have experience with more than one OS (Which consisted of us using a raspberry pi  with Raspbian for one hour Ughhhh - such a waste of time) which of course has been no problem for me, but for the majority of people in my Class has been difficult. First used Ubuntu at the age of 11 on an old laptop that was given to me by a relative. I think it's the reason that I'm so into computers now.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: funkymeeba on Sun, 30 March 2014, 23:17:57
I've been using Funtoo for the past 3 years. My current installs are both two years old, and still running excellent. I really enjoy Funtoo. Lately, I've been giving i3 a shot as my window manager. I'm really enjoying it, but it is taking some time to get away from my e17 workflow.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Mon, 31 March 2014, 02:11:33
Linux mint 16 with cinnamon here. Previously used fedora, aptosid, sidux, ubuntu and debian on my main pc.

This is what I want to try.  Are you enjoying this setup?

Absolutley. Works very smootly on this rugged laptop:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48024.msg1261952#msg1261952 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48024.msg1261952#msg1261952)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Mon, 31 March 2014, 02:15:36
I use debian, though I have considered trying arch as a learning experience.

the only thing you learn by installing arch is arch... which is nice if you want to learn arch i suppose.

i use crunchbang for workstations and debian for servers... i like openbox and crunchbang comes out of the box with a decent font config so... that's pretty much my criteria right there. always preferred .deb distros for no particular reason but i'm mostly agnostic. use what you like, use what works... it's the beauty of linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: avtar on Mon, 31 March 2014, 02:38:16
I use CentOS for servers. I've been trying Arch and i3 for my own computer at work but I'm probably going to go back to Debian Testing.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdeblese on Mon, 31 March 2014, 04:23:28
Another vote for Slackware! Been using it for the past ten years and wouldn't dream of switching. I use enough odd software that I prefer that make && make install is the standard method.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: HendyZone on Mon, 31 March 2014, 05:47:21
I used LinuxMint for my desktop
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 31 March 2014, 05:48:39
I still use Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with Gnome 2 and Window Maker ...
I am looking at other distros, but haven't decided for one yet. I have been using Window Maker since I started using Linux back in the late '90s and wouldn't dream of switching to anything sub-par.

Dual-boot with Windows 7 only for games.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: chibishin on Mon, 31 March 2014, 07:55:36
Started on slackware back in 98, then gentoo around 06, and since 10 have dropped that and gone with BSD. FreeBSD for my NAS, OSX on my MBP, and windows for general use on my HTPCs and desktop.

slackware, I get it since it's a good way to immerse yourself in the way linux works and learn it, but gentoo is just so pointless. there's so much work involved in getting that system up and running and maintained, and so little benefit. I highly doubt a fully customized gentoo system is going to run noticeably faster than, say, ubuntu.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 31 March 2014, 08:16:21
Played around with fedora for a bit, and Ubuntu for the most part before I became full time casual and stuck to windows.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 31 March 2014, 08:41:29
Started on slackware back in 98, then gentoo around 06, and since 10 have dropped that and gone with BSD. FreeBSD for my NAS, OSX on my MBP, and windows for general use on my HTPCs and desktop.

slackware, I get it since it's a good way to immerse yourself in the way linux works and learn it, but gentoo is just so pointless. there's so much work involved in getting that system up and running and maintained, and so little benefit. I highly doubt a fully customized gentoo system is going to run noticeably faster than, say, ubuntu.

I think this guy would disagree: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 31 March 2014, 12:33:20
Archlinux since 2008 and before that Slackware. Linux is only fun when it's hard and nothing works.

QFT :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Mon, 31 March 2014, 16:26:49
Started on slackware back in 98, then gentoo around 06, and since 10 have dropped that and gone with BSD. FreeBSD for my NAS, OSX on my MBP, and windows for general use on my HTPCs and desktop.

slackware, I get it since it's a good way to immerse yourself in the way linux works and learn it, but gentoo is just so pointless. there's so much work involved in getting that system up and running and maintained, and so little benefit. I highly doubt a fully customized gentoo system is going to run noticeably faster than, say, ubuntu.

I think this guy would disagree: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072

Haha...  "Rebuild your system with sane settings and post back if you still have the problem". 

That is almost an equivalent to just responding with: PEBKAC... 

PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 31 March 2014, 16:33:53
Haha...  "Rebuild your system with sane settings and post back if you still have the problem". 

That is almost an equivalent to just responding with: PEBKAC... 

PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair

In this case, PEBKAC is accurate. Look at the wild, irresponsible CFLAGS they were using. It's no wonder that system broke.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Mon, 31 March 2014, 16:36:01
Haha...  "Rebuild your system with sane settings and post back if you still have the problem". 

That is almost an equivalent to just responding with: PEBKAC... 

PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair

In this case, PEBKAC is accurate. Look at the wild, irresponsible CFLAGS they were using. It's no wonder that system broke.

Haha, ya fair enough.  It is still a funny response to an issue.  :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 31 March 2014, 19:14:38
Desktops: LMDE (with one legacy LM 13 LTS instance) with MATE desktop
Non-PROD Servers and some VM instances: Debian 6
PROD Servers and most VM instances: CentOS 6

I'd use CentOS 6 on all servers and VM instances, but some things are just easier to deploy with Debian, mostly because the Debian folks work with more application teams than the CentOS folks.  ZFS on Linux and Request Tracker 4 are two examples of that situation.

64-bit everywhere, because why not?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s. Also VIM Master Race, which is why all my custom keyboard layouts have an Insert key on the top layer.  And if you use VIM without using the tri-state Insert toggle, you are missing some of the fun!  Especially if you have to do any SQL.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Mon, 31 March 2014, 19:58:02
Work machine : Slackware /w fluxbox
Servers : centos 6.x
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 31 March 2014, 19:58:53
p.s. Also VIM Master Race, which is why all my custom keyboard layouts have an Insert key on the top layer.  And if you use VIM without using the tri-state Insert toggle, you are missing some of the fun!  Especially if you have to do any SQL.

On my setup it toggles between insert and replace modes.  Didn't know about that, but it doesn't seem very useful as I almost never use replace mode.  I'm probably missing something awesome though.. ?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Mon, 31 March 2014, 20:14:44
I would almost pay someone to explain how my insert key is designed to work on my fc660c. I swear that button does nothing. @samwisekoi: can you give me a simple example I can try to verify the key is even working? 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Smasher816 on Mon, 31 March 2014, 20:19:45
Usually the input button makes every character you type overwrite the one after it. Try clicking in the middle of a sentance, pressing the insert key, then typing some more. If insert mode is on it should start typing over the old text instead of inserting it in the middle.

Note: Back in the days of text only consoles (and TI's calculators today) the overwrite mode was the default and you had to press the insert key to add anything in the middle.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Mon, 31 March 2014, 20:26:15
Usually the input button makes every character you type overwrite the one after it. Try clicking in the middle of a sentance, pressing the enter key, then typing some more. If insert mode is on it should start typing over the old text instead of inserting it in the middle.

Note: Back in the days of text only consoles (and TI's calculators today) the overwrite mode was the default and you had to press the insert key to add anything in the middle.

This is what I expected. In vim I press 'i' to get into edit mode. I then hit the insert key and start typing. I expect it to overwrite the text and it doesn't. I can't get it to work in another editor like sublime either. As a coder I would totally use it if I could figure it out.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Smasher816 on Mon, 31 March 2014, 20:29:23
Maybe pull up "xev" in a console and double check what they keys output is?

This is what shows up on my board:
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KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
    root 0x29d, subw 0x0, time 9710021, (342,453), root:(4824,474),
    state 0x10, keycode 118 (keysym 0xff63, Insert), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
    root 0x29d, subw 0x0, time 9710125, (342,453), root:(4824,474),
    state 0x10, keycode 118 (keysym 0xff63, Insert), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

The important part is the "Insert" in parentheses. If that part is blank you might look at the keycode to figure out what its doing. If nothing shows up at all then I'm not sure whats up (something with the board).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: angelic_sedition on Mon, 31 March 2014, 21:07:53
 
p.s. Also VIM Master Race, which is why all my custom keyboard layouts have an Insert key on the top layer.  And if you use VIM without using the tri-state Insert toggle, you are missing some of the fun!  Especially if you have to do any SQL.

Why would you use insert over R....? And does anyone actually find replace mode that useful in the first place?

Maybe pull up "xev" in a console and double check what they keys output is?

This is what shows up on my board:
Code: [Select]
KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
    root 0x29d, subw 0x0, time 9710021, (342,453), root:(4824,474),
    state 0x10, keycode 118 (keysym 0xff63, Insert), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
    root 0x29d, subw 0x0, time 9710125, (342,453), root:(4824,474),
    state 0x10, keycode 118 (keysym 0xff63, Insert), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
    XFilterEvent returns: False

The important part is the "Insert" in parentheses. If that part is blank you might look at the keycode to figure out what its doing. If nothing shows up at all then I'm not sure whats up (something with the board).

And if it isn't insert, and you want to make it insert:
xmodmap -e "keycode 118 = Insert"
(assuming it shows up as keycode 118; this change won't apply after you restart, so you can put "keycode ..." in a file and put "xmodmap /path/to/file" in your .xinitrc or whatever you use for startup)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Decaffeinator on Tue, 01 April 2014, 05:51:06
I'm currently using Arch Linux and BSPWM. I use Vim more often than emacs, but they both have they're advantages.   :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Bencze on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:19:31
I use Centos for home server (nas, mpd, squid, whatnot).

I tried ubuntu for desktop, then debian for basically being a mature ubuntu but I always met difficulties from day 1. Like I struggled in debian to turn off the damn framebuffer text mode and bring back regular text mode console, found various solutions and none of them worked. That install lived for 1 day.
In ubuntu I never understood the different runlevels and startup scripts either, but now Fedora uses something weird as well so suddenly it's difficult to manually work with services.

I have a Fedora at home I rarely use just when I want to try something.
Somehow I never got the linux desktop thing going, it's awesome for the server tasks in text mode that's all. Maybe valve and opengl etc. will be able to change that.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 01 April 2014, 10:01:12
In vim, Insert puts the editor in insert mode, and pressing again puts it into replace, etc.  Escape exits the mode.

I like it because I can hit either key while thinking of typing other letters.

Example #1: Open this file and add time (e.g. " 02:00:00") to the first date below.
<ins><<down>><end><<left>> 02:00:00
Example #2: Change "2014-04-07" to "2014-04-14".
<<down>><end><<left>><ins>14<esc>:wq

Quote
FROM
Tickets
Inner Join Users ON Tickets.Owner = Users.id
Inner Join Queues ON Tickets.Queue = Queues.id
WHERE
        Tickets.id =  Tickets.EffectiveId
        AND
        Queues.Name LIKE  'ALERT.%'
        AND
        Tickets.Subject NOT LIKE '%ACKNOWLEDGEMENT%'
        AND
        Tickets.Status NOT LIKE 'rejected'
        AND
        Tickets.Created >=  '2014-03-31'
        AND
        Tickets.Created <   '2014-04-07'
ORDER BY
        TIMEDIFF(Tickets.Started, Tickets.Created) DESC
" > $spreadsheet

I can find the arrows and the Insert and End keys without thought.

(Now that I think about it, I should remap Fire and Jump to those keys in games!)

Anyhow, those are my examples.  Also real code I modified yesterday.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cultofjosh on Thu, 03 April 2014, 00:08:12
Oh man, I've tried to switch to a linux desktop multiple times over the past 20 years but it never stuck. My most recent serious attempt to switch was to OpenSuse maybe about 3 years ago. I think I made it a couple of months. I've tried Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu, Chakra, Gentoo and probably several others as well.

I do, however, plan to try Qubes OS in the next month or two for an extended period of time. I will be virtualizing windows this time so I won't have to try to give up outlook and onenote. I am hoping that I'll have better luck this time since I'm not actually trying to give up all my favorite windows apps at the same time as well.

When it comes to servers and command line, I absolutely love linux. You can pry it out of my cold dead hands :) I use Centos/RHEL here as I need the ultra long term stability. I'm fairly comfortable on an Ubuntu LTS server as well, but I don't really consider their LTS distro all that LTS. We're getting close to the next LTS release, but I just had to install an unbuntu server with the current LTS version, and it only has 3 years of bugfixes left. That kinda sucks for a "long term" OS that I just installed. This is why RHEL/Centos has a much longer support cycle. In addition, I can work with RPM spec files and can build/adjust my own RPMs most of the time without too much issue. This allows me to run my own small repository for my needs.

The first thing I ever do on any linux install, yum install emacs-nox or apt-get install emacs-nox, never been much of a vim fan though I can do a few very basic things in there.

My firewalls are pfsense (freebsd), but I may switch to one of the vyatta forks at some point. I tried to use vyatta before pfsense, but found it more of a router OS and not super ideal for firewall use. But it's been years, and I really did love it. Managing it is similar to managing cisco or hp stuff.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Thu, 03 April 2014, 00:25:27
Oh man, I've tried to switch to a linux desktop multiple times over the past 20 years but it never stuck. My most recent serious attempt to switch was to OpenSuse maybe about 3 years ago. I think I made it a couple of months. I've tried Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu, Chakra, Gentoo and probably several others as well.

I do, however, plan to try Qubes OS in the next month or two for an extended period of time. I will be virtualizing windows this time so I won't have to try to give up outlook and onenote. I am hoping that I'll have better luck this time since I'm not actually trying to give up all my favorite windows apps at the same time as well.

When it comes to servers and command line, I absolutely love linux. You can pry it out of my cold dead hands :) I use Centos/RHEL here as I need the ultra long term stability. I'm fairly comfortable on an Ubuntu LTS server as well, but I don't really consider their LTS distro all that LTS. We're getting close to the next LTS release, but I just had to install an unbuntu server with the current LTS version, and it only has 3 years of bugfixes left. That kinda sucks for a "long term" OS that I just installed. This is why RHEL/Centos has a much longer support cycle. In addition, I can work with RPM spec files and can build/adjust my own RPMs most of the time without too much issue. This allows me to run my own small repository for my needs.

The first thing I ever do on any linux install, yum install emacs-nox or apt-get install emacs-nox, never been much of a vim fan though I can do a few very basic things in there.

My firewalls are pfsense (freebsd), but I may switch to one of the vyatta forks at some point. I tried to use vyatta before pfsense, but found it more of a router OS and not super ideal for firewall use. But it's been years, and I really did love it. Managing it is similar to managing cisco or hp stuff.

pfSense is awesome. I've been trying to get a FreeBSD install working on my laptop but unfortunately I cant find some drivers I need.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Thu, 03 April 2014, 01:14:07
When it comes to servers and command line, I absolutely love linux. You can pry it out of my cold dead hands :)

Couldnt agree more. The flexibility and control you can get from linux (bash, zsh etc) is way ahead what windows can offer.  I use zsh with O-my-zsh, Love it. I also find the gui to be so unessesary on an server. ssh is som much better.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 03 April 2014, 04:44:17
i use ubuntu 12.04, debian wheezy and opensuse.

i am also master multiracial, since i use both vim and emacs.

Oh man, I've tried to switch to a linux desktop multiple times over the past 20 years but it never stuck.
does it mean you first tried linux desktop in 1994?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 03 April 2014, 04:49:00
i use ubuntu 12.04, debian wheezy and opensuse.

i am also master multiracial, since i use both vim and emacs.

Oh man, I've tried to switch to a linux desktop multiple times over the past 20 years but it never stuck.
does it mean you first tried linux desktop in 1994?

That would have had kernel version < 2.0 - should have been interesting!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 03 April 2014, 05:03:26
that would have had kernel version 0.99 -- 1.0 most likely. but let alone the kernel-shmernel, think about the desktop! xfree86 vs windows 3.1!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 03 April 2014, 05:06:25
I used old versions of XFree86 - where you had to configure everything, including monitor refresh rates, yourself.

Kids these days don't know how easy they have it!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Thu, 03 April 2014, 05:19:35
I used old versions of XFree86 - where you had to configure everything, including monitor refresh rates, yourself.

Kids these days don't know how easy they have it!

after my initial high school affairs with linux i basically gave it up for 3-4 years until i found out x.org configuration was pretty much automatic... it was that bad.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cultofjosh on Thu, 03 April 2014, 06:55:23
does it mean you first tried linux desktop in 1994?

Hyperbole. I thought that would be obvious based on the list of distros I mentioned.

One of my college friends had slackware on a floppy disk. Complete with kernel config via Q&A, no ncurses "make menuconfig" easy stuff. My first exposure to slackware and redhat was 1996, my first server (redhat) was probably '99 as that would be when my friend started his company and hired me :) My first serious attempt to switch to linux desktop was some version of RedHat Linux pre-fedora, I don't recall which one. But I did make it a few months before I gave up there as well. And I know I tried fedora v1 when it came out a few years later as well. Beyond this, everything else is foggy :)

By 2001 I was comfortable enough with linux to be giving out advice on occasion:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-megaraid-devel&m=101337821612430&w=1

I used to get emailed directly from random people about monitoring megaraid controllers because of that post :)

In contrast, the only time I attempted to switch to mac was 2000ish? It was a beta of OSX with a hacked kernel so it ran on a 604e. I haven't attempted to switch to a mac since. Guess which OS I like better?  :thumb:


Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cultofjosh on Thu, 03 April 2014, 07:02:04
that would have had kernel version 0.99 -- 1.0 most likely. but let alone the kernel-shmernel, think about the desktop! xfree86 vs windows 3.1!

I definitely did not try to switch to linux for desktop before kernel 2.0
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 03 April 2014, 07:12:10
Hyperbole.
:(

i'll be switching to centos for work machine Soon™
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cultofjosh on Thu, 03 April 2014, 07:45:47
Hyperbole.
:(

i'll be switching to centos for work machine Soon™

:) CentOS should work well for work, I don't think I could ever use it as a home desktop though.

I'm actually really excited to try Qubes OS. It's an OS for the paranoid, if you aren't familiar with it. Not "I need to be anonymous" paranoid like TAILS. More "put everything into its own box in case I'm ever hacked" paranoid. High security is accomplished by keeping everything in separate Xen domains.

http://www.qubesos.com/trac

I'm going to attempt to use a workflow similar to this:
http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/2011/03/partitioning-my-digital-life-into.html

Edit: grammar correction
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jakkdl on Thu, 03 April 2014, 07:56:56
arch masterrace reporting in
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 03 April 2014, 08:41:17
is arch any better than the precious ubuntu?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Thu, 03 April 2014, 08:55:21
is arch any better than the precious ubuntu?

Ubuntu is bloatware compared to arch.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 03 April 2014, 08:55:48
I used old versions of XFree86 - where you had to configure everything, including monitor refresh rates, yourself.

Kids these days don't know how easy they have it!

after my initial high school affairs with linux i basically gave it up for 3-4 years until i found out x.org configuration was pretty much automatic... it was that bad.

I wasn't counting ancient distros, but...

During the early 90's, Apple and IBM were in bed together doing the PowerPC thing.  This was before Jobs came back with the Mach kernel, so with IBM came AIX.  We used it on a couple of servers (I frankly don't remember for what) but more interestingly, Apple being Apple they had do roll their own version.

Thus A/UX (for Apple Unix) was born.  It ran on the Power PC, and used Unix System V as the base.  Then the Apple engineers ported the Finder to (I'm guessing here) X-Windows for a best-of-both-worlds experience.

I was on the internal Beta test team for versions 1-3.  The project was eventually abandoned, as it should have been.  I remember two things about it:  (1) you had to actually "run" any icon you would normally have just clicked on, and (2) an important element of successful use was the Eschatology partition that the system kept for file system recovery if the system halted at any point.  It did that often.

Eschatology is the study of the dead, and this would have been 1992-1994 IIRC.  (I was at Apple from 1989-1997.)

I don't count that as using *nix on a desktop, but I used it, and it was on a Mac sitting on top of my desk.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 03 April 2014, 10:08:26
is arch any better than the precious ubuntu?

Ubuntu is bloatware compared to arch.
well, it's a bloatware compared to my wheezy as well.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Thu, 03 April 2014, 10:38:46
I use PCLinuxOS (PCLOS) on my laptop and find it to be quite suitable for the purpose.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 03 April 2014, 12:30:37
If I were to go back to Linux, it's between Arch (or the Chakra spinoff) and Debian (or the Crunchbang spinoff). They're all pretty damn well done. Still, Windows is a smoother ride for me and I like to play games.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Thu, 03 April 2014, 16:25:03
I ran linux exclusively from 2000-2007 (until work started paying for me to have the best Mac laptop on the market every couple years).

It took a little tweaking of the memory management and video settings but my Ubuntu machine was working as a great platform for all my Windows games using WineX.  I was playing WoW at the time with about half the minimum system requirements (according to the box).  All my friends had about 4x the machine that I had and they were all lagging out in 40 man raids.  I never had a problem...

I have to admit that I had to do some serious hacking initially to get it working perfectly, but once I got it, it was rock solid...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cultofjosh on Thu, 03 April 2014, 22:02:31
I ran linux exclusively from 2000-2007 (until work started paying for me to have the best Mac laptop on the market every couple years).

It took a little tweaking of the memory management and video settings but my Ubuntu machine was working as a great platform for all my Windows games using WineX.  I was playing WoW at the time with about half the minimum system requirements (according to the box).  All my friends had about 4x the machine that I had and they were all lagging out in 40 man raids.  I never had a problem...

I have to admit that I had to do some serious hacking initially to get it working perfectly, but once I got it, it was rock solid...

I never played a lot of starcraft, but I remember being quite happy I was able to get it running under wine. I think twice in the past couple of years I've found out someone at work uses linux at home. I offer them a super fast i7 w SSD PC and tell them they can run any linux distro they want on it. But then they ask for a mac instead :(

Samwise, even though I'm not an Apple fan, that's some serious geek cred there in my book :) I did mess around with Darwin a little bit and was upset when they canned it. I will be getting my first mac mini server in a week, already bought and paid for.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: arfink on Fri, 04 April 2014, 01:28:47
Linux Mint Cinnamon is my flavor of choice at the moment. I wish there was a killer-app window manager though to use instead of Cinnamon. Gnome ain't what it used to be.

I should probably also add, I'm a graphics/digital art guy and use Linux and FOSS tools exclusively.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Fri, 04 April 2014, 05:16:37
i run linux exclusively since 2006 at home. it was fun when in 2008 CS run in wine on my crappy laptop had higher FPS than when run on my powerful work pc with a good video card. and nowadays desktop linux is evolved more than enough to use it.

i also had a macmini at work. mac os x was all shiny and cute and sometimes making me want to smash the machine with a jackhammer. so i switched back to linux for work.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Fri, 04 April 2014, 05:54:03
Linux Mint Cinnamon is my flavor of choice at the moment. I wish there was a killer-app window manager though to use instead of Cinnamon. Gnome ain't what it used to be.

I should probably also add, I'm a graphics/digital art guy and use Linux and FOSS tools exclusively.

What Foss tools do you use for graphics? I was using gimp and inkscape, but I have to admit that photoshop and illustrator are the main reasons I am not on linux full time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Game Theory on Fri, 04 April 2014, 06:53:29
Gentoo is my preferred for home with Arch a close second.  Still use Windows more than I feel I should.

Qubes seems kinda of cool.  Thanks for posting it!

Started with Yggdrasil Linux in early 1995, then Slackware, then RedHat, then Debian, then Mandrake, then Debian, then Gentoo, then Arch, then Gentoo.

At work I suggested we replace a Unix box with Linux years ago.  So RedHat AS 2.1, RHEL server 5.4, RHEL 6.5 server and will go to RHEL 7 when its released.  Small company just one Linux box.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 04 April 2014, 08:01:24
Samwise, even though I'm not an Apple fan, that's some serious geek cred there in my book :) I did mess around with Darwin a little bit and was upset when they canned it. I will be getting my first mac mini server in a week, already bought and paid for.

From what I remember of Darwin, isn't it just BSD with the mach microkernel?

Nicely wrapped in the GUI shell that is OS X. :)


Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: regack on Fri, 04 April 2014, 08:24:10
I have used other distros, but I always return to slackware. 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cultofjosh on Fri, 04 April 2014, 08:37:25
Samwise, even though I'm not an Apple fan, that's some serious geek cred there in my book :) I did mess around with Darwin a little bit and was upset when they canned it. I will be getting my first mac mini server in a week, already bought and paid for.

From what I remember of Darwin, isn't it just BSD with the mach microkernel?

Nicely wrapped in the GUI shell that is OS X. :)


Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.

I'm pretty sure you are correct. Apple still open sources all the stuff they have to, and then some, but no complete installable operating system :( I don't think there was a GUI. Maybe X11, I really can't recall at the moment. It does appear that xfree86 was ported, but I'm not sure if that was officially part of Darwin.

I was going to use it to teach myself bsd style commands. To this day, I still type "ps faux" on macs and get an error before I remember it's not linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Fri, 04 April 2014, 10:43:26
Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
phew! it's good that i need not to!

I have used other distros, but I always return to slackware.
awesome!

I was going to use it to teach myself bsd style commands. To this day, I still type "ps faux" on macs and get an error before I remember it's not linux.
Code: [Select]
ps aux works on os x in iterm2.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Sat, 05 April 2014, 02:34:21
Samwise, even though I'm not an Apple fan, that's some serious geek cred there in my book :) I did mess around with Darwin a little bit and was upset when they canned it. I will be getting my first mac mini server in a week, already bought and paid for.

From what I remember of Darwin, isn't it just BSD with the mach microkernel?

Nicely wrapped in the GUI shell that is OS X. :)


Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.

I'm pretty sure you are correct. Apple still open sources all the stuff they have to, and then some, but no complete installable operating system :( I don't think there was a GUI. Maybe X11, I really can't recall at the moment. It does appear that xfree86 was ported, but I'm not sure if that was officially part of Darwin.

I was going to use it to teach myself bsd style commands. To this day, I still type "ps faux" on macs and get an error before I remember it's not linux.

darwin runs with X11 - apple shipped it with their developer tools back in the last decade. not sure if they still do. i only ever installed the dev tools so I could run X11 stuff once in a while :)
unfortunately apple hasn't updated the official OSS darwin in years.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: snoopy on Sat, 05 April 2014, 02:35:39
Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Sat, 05 April 2014, 05:18:50
Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.

Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 05 April 2014, 05:30:57
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.

I tried that.

I also tried Bootcamp on my Mac (to dual boot OS X and Windows).

Neither really worked, so I ended up (before I got the Mac) setting up a second PC - one for Linux to do emails and proper work, and one for Windows for games.

Then I got my Mac, and I still have the Mac for emails, surfing and other work, and Windows for games.

And Linux on the server (having tried FreeBSD and even touched on NetBSD).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sat, 05 April 2014, 06:39:17
Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.

Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cultofjosh on Sat, 05 April 2014, 06:54:50

darwin runs with X11 - apple shipped it with their developer tools back in the last decade. not sure if they still do. i only ever installed the dev tools so I could run X11 stuff once in a while :)
unfortunately apple hasn't updated the official OSS darwin in years.

OpenDarwin is what I was thinking of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)#OpenDarwin

Getting back to the topic of linux, has anyone messed around with SteamOS? Not sure if they added ATI card support but I do have an old GTX 460 I could use to run it. I haven't been following it since the first public test release.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Smasher816 on Sat, 05 April 2014, 09:57:04
Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.

Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?

I think it's just the fact that a lot of companies will force you to use whatever they have everyone else use (Windows).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: oluf on Sat, 05 April 2014, 10:11:47
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.

When I really need doze, I fire it up in a kvm instance... Obviously that wouldn't work for games, but for things like quickbooks, it works great.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 05 April 2014, 10:20:57
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
Neither really worked, so I ended up (before I got the Mac) setting up a second PC - one for Linux to do emails and proper work, and one for Windows for games.

This is really the end state, isn't it?  I have a primary i7 tower running LMDE (and a little Win7 VM in VirtualBox) for normal work/office stuff.  And sitting next to it is a little Silverstone ITX i5 cube with a full-size graphics card for gaming.  Technically, my tower is dual-boot, but that just doesn't work as well.

Also, in a dedicated Windows PC, I can use an nVidia or an AMD GPU.  With Linux it is either nVidia or integrated graphics -- or compatibility problems.  So when AMD was doing its big relabel/launch last fall, I was able to pick up a couple of 7870s that work great in Windows, but that I couldn't quite make work under Linux.  (Cue Linus Torvalds: "F*** you, AMD!")

So how many of us run Linux normally, but keep a Windows machine around for critical applications like Visio, Photoshop, or Steam?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cultofjosh on Sat, 05 April 2014, 10:44:34
This is really the end state, isn't it?  I have a primary i7 tower running LMDE (and a little Win7 VM in VirtualBox) for normal work/office stuff.  And sitting next to it is a little Silverstone ITX i5 cube with a full-size graphics card for gaming.  Technically, my tower is dual-boot, but that just doesn't work as well.

I have loftier goals :) I just want the single tower with 2 video cards, 1 card for linux, 1 for vt-d passthrough to a windows virtual machine. Would need a good KVM as well. Of course vt-d passthrough for video cards in xen is a roll the dice type of thing, and probably still requires patching xen.

I haven't tried yet. My issue is that at work I don't have the time, and my hardware at home is just old enough to not have vt-d - a first gen i7 xeon in an x58a board.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Sat, 05 April 2014, 10:49:21
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
Neither really worked, so I ended up (before I got the Mac) setting up a second PC - one for Linux to do emails and proper work, and one for Windows for games.

This is really the end state, isn't it?  I have a primary i7 tower running LMDE (and a little Win7 VM in VirtualBox) for normal work/office stuff.  And sitting next to it is a little Silverstone ITX i5 cube with a full-size graphics card for gaming.  Technically, my tower is dual-boot, but that just doesn't work as well.

Also, in a dedicated Windows PC, I can use an nVidia or an AMD GPU.  With Linux it is either nVidia or integrated graphics -- or compatibility problems.  So when AMD was doing its big relabel/launch last fall, I was able to pick up a couple of 7870s that work great in Windows, but that I could quite make work under Linux.  (Cue Linus Torvalds: "F*** you, AMD!")

So how many of us run Linux normally, but keep a Windows machine around for critical applications like Visio, Photoshop, or Steam?

 - Ron | samwisekoi


Yep! I was gonna say: "directX defeats the 'just abandon windows' argument."

Also: "...critical applications like... steam?" lol.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wycx on Sat, 05 April 2014, 13:03:57
Linux Mint Debian edition with Mate on the desktop. Ubuntu 12.04 on the Samsung ARM Chromebook-I like unity on the chromebook. Regular old Debian with XFCE or sometimes Enlightenment on my various servers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 05 April 2014, 18:00:03
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).

Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.

I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 05 April 2014, 18:46:24
Linux Mint 13 64-bit with KDE and Xfce desktops on all but my IBM server, which runs Ubuntu Server 12.04 -- previously KDE desktop, but more recently, Xfce.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Smasher816 on Sat, 05 April 2014, 19:31:02
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.

When I really need doze, I fire it up in a kvm instance... Obviously that wouldn't work for games, but for things like quickbooks, it works great.

It's actually possible to play games in a kvm instance. However, you have to have a second graphics card and a motherboard that supports IOMMU. With a full graphics card and virtio drivers you get near normal performance inside a VM.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sun, 06 April 2014, 04:07:06
Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.

Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?

I think it's just the fact that a lot of companies will force you to use whatever they have everyone else use (Windows).
luckily i've never worked for such companies. ubuntu was standard for engineers at my previous workplace.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Sun, 06 April 2014, 08:14:54
Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.

Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?

I think it's just the fact that a lot of companies will force you to use whatever they have everyone else use (Windows).

As smasher816 said and I also wonder how they implement it. Do you get support from the IT-staff? Is it managed by the IT-staff (landscape)? Is it an option to get a pc with ubuntu?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Mon, 07 April 2014, 05:17:30
Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.

Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?

I think it's just the fact that a lot of companies will force you to use whatever they have everyone else use (Windows).

As smasher816 said and I also wonder how they implement it. Do you get support from the IT-staff? Is it managed by the IT-staff (landscape)? Is it an option to get a pc with ubuntu?

i work for a company that lets us use whatever OS we want on our workstations as long as it doesn't get in the way of the work we need to do.... which is why i don't use windows :U

but seriously i think it's more of a thing in smaller shops without centrally-managed/micro-managed IT. it's just not necessary to have total control over all systems all the time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:11:20
Still using Win 7 on my main rig, pretty much exclusively for games. I also have a laptop running Mint 15, which I quite like, save for the lag issues with the cursor. Mostly got that worked out now though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 09 April 2014, 09:18:28
#!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 09 April 2014, 09:21:19
#!

#!2
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Wed, 09 April 2014, 09:44:07
#!

#!2

What hardware are you Running crunchbang on?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 09 April 2014, 09:51:14
#!

#!2

What hardware are you Running crunchbang on?

dell precision t5600. work machine. xeon or i7 or whatever, 8 gb ram i think? haven't really bothered to look at the specs, it's stupidly overpowered for what i need but w/e. unfortunately i have 2 discrete cards (DUMB) and so i cant use compositing until i get an adapter and just stop using the second card.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Wed, 09 April 2014, 10:58:50
#!

#!2

What hardware are you Running crunchbang on?

dell precision t5600. work machine. xeon or i7 or whatever, 8 gb ram i think? haven't really bothered to look at the specs, it's stupidly overpowered for what i need but w/e. unfortunately i have 2 discrete cards (DUMB) and so i cant use compositing until i get an adapter and just stop using the second card.

Well as you said that is way overpower what crunchbag needs. No doubt it will run smoothly(exept that compositing issue).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: compgeke on Wed, 09 April 2014, 21:14:15
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram. Works well enough and only uses about 25 megs of ram anyways.

I have a Latitude D630 running Xubuntu because I'm lazy and it works. I use it for programming devices and testing to see if USB hardware and such is being detected since Windows and Mac OS suck when it comes to detecting devices - lsusb is great.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Wed, 09 April 2014, 21:25:13
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram. Works well enough and only uses about 25 megs of ram anyways.

I have a Latitude D630 running Xubuntu because I'm lazy and it works. I use it for programming devices and testing to see if USB hardware and such is being detected since Windows and Mac OS suck when it comes to detecting devices - lsusb is great.

Thats awesome -- cant go wrong with Debian.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Wed, 09 April 2014, 23:56:13
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram. Works well enough and only uses about 25 megs of ram anyways.

I have a Latitude D630 running Xubuntu because I'm lazy and it works. I use it for programming devices and testing to see if USB hardware and such is being detected since Windows and Mac OS suck when it comes to detecting devices - lsusb is great.

Nice, What irc server do you use?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: compgeke on Thu, 10 April 2014, 01:40:13
I use UnrealIRCd that's linked into a small network.

It's a bit confusing to configure but it's pretty much rock solid and has more features than one will ever need.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Thu, 10 April 2014, 04:16:06
ah, I see. Have only used irc clients before (irssi)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Grimey on Thu, 10 April 2014, 09:16:15
CrunchBang at home.  Xubuntu for the parents ancient box at their house, Ubuntu on my mothers laptop.  My interest in computer janitoring has nearly vanished in the last couple of years, so distributions that work out of the box are becoming more appealing.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: oluf on Fri, 11 April 2014, 19:49:56
I've been using ircd-hybrid since ~1999.. It has a gazillion modules, and is actively developed. Definitely worth a look if you're shopping for an IRC server.

http://ircd-hybrid.com/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Fri, 11 April 2014, 20:05:50
I've been using ircd-hybrid since ~1999.. It has a gazillion modules, and is actively developed. Definitely worth a look if you're shopping for an IRC server.

http://ircd-hybrid.com/

Nice signature -- have you used Parabola at all?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: oluf on Fri, 11 April 2014, 20:12:18
I've been using ircd-hybrid since ~1999.. It has a gazillion modules, and is actively developed. Definitely worth a look if you're shopping for an IRC server.

http://ircd-hybrid.com/

Nice signature -- have you used Parabola at all?

Thanks! Richard Stallman for president! =)

Sadly.. I'm addicted to Debian, despite it's status w/ the FSF. =/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Fri, 11 April 2014, 20:14:39
Thanks! Richard Stallman for president! =)

Sadly.. I'm addicted to Debian, despite it's status w/ the FSF. =/

Lol Debian is awesome -- you should try Parabola though -- pacman masterrace reporting in.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sat, 12 April 2014, 09:14:37
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram.
so does my work machine with i7 and 16gb ram.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Sun, 13 April 2014, 13:51:35
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram.
so does my work machine with i7 and 16gb ram.
What a suprise
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Sun, 13 April 2014, 15:14:18
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram.
so does my work machine with i7 and 16gb ram.
What a suprise

mine does too
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Mon, 14 April 2014, 02:28:47
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram.
so does my work machine with i7 and 16gb ram.
What a suprise
stop being silly.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 14 April 2014, 04:43:17
#!

#!2

What hardware are you Running crunchbang on?

A few different older laptops. None of them very modern or impressive, but Crunchbang runs very smoothly on them. I really like the install configuration scripts, makes it a breeze to do a new install.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Mon, 14 April 2014, 17:02:19
Crunchbang is fantastic and very snappy. Though on older PCs you will notice Firefox being sluggish as ****. I always preferred using Midori or Opera (RIP).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 15 April 2014, 02:58:19
i've been using midori for years (running on fluxbox on a slow machine) and still use it from time to time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Tue, 15 April 2014, 03:22:12
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).

Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.

I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.

Ubuntu has turned into the evil Apple/Microsoft/big-brother of the Linux world with all of the their great new personal tracking and advertising features. That's why you need to switch to Debian.  :D

I use Debian and Slackware in most cases.

So how many of us run Linux normally, but keep a Windows machine around for critical applications like Visio, Photoshop, or Steam?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I virtualize Windows and Mac if I have specific software I need to use. It actually makes backing up, restoring, and migrations very easy.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 15 April 2014, 03:30:32
slackware is still alive. impressive.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 15 April 2014, 03:38:49
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).

Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.

I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.

Ubuntu has turned into the evil Apple/Microsoft/big-brother of the Linux world with all of the their great new personal tracking and advertising features. That's why you need to switch to Debian.  :D

Debian sucks. Even experimental is sometimes months or even years behind upstream. Once I decide to compile stuff myself, I'll go with Gentoo.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Tue, 15 April 2014, 03:53:55
I don't care about having the latest or greatest. Nor do I have any software projects that I want pushed upstream.

Yeah, Slackware is still being maintained. I'm amazed that it's lasted this long myself.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Tue, 15 April 2014, 04:04:21
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).

Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.

I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.

Ubuntu has turned into the evil Apple/Microsoft/big-brother of the Linux world with all of the their great new personal tracking and advertising features. That's why you need to switch to Debian.  :D

Debian sucks. Even experimental is sometimes months or even years behind upstream. Once I decide to compile stuff myself, I'll go with Gentoo.

no u
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 15 April 2014, 05:46:31
slackware is still alive. impressive.

Slackware was the first Linux distro I tried, back when it was still distributed in floppies.

Work had an old Windows NT 4 server doing email and other duties, but it was a pain to maintain.  I suggested Linux, and was given an old laptop with only a floppy drive to play with.

It took ages downloading the floppy images through the dialup connection we had back then, but I seem to recall the actual installation went fairly smoothly.

I configured sendmail, added a few mail accounts, and let everyone play with it for a couple of weeks.

I must have proved my point, as we have had at least one Linux serve doing business critical duties since then.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 15 April 2014, 06:08:51
fun that we are now discussing two distros that had their initial releases within a month... twenty-****ing-one year ago.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: welsinki on Tue, 15 April 2014, 08:24:27
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Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: PublicAnarchism on Tue, 15 April 2014, 18:41:11
Haha, I use arch linux at home. Works very nicely with my keyboard.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: TacticalCoder on Wed, 16 April 2014, 10:28:15
I'm using Debian since Debian version 1.1 or 1.2, not too sure anymore (it was the mid-nineties or something like that).

My first Linux distro was Slackware, which I'd install from a CD coming with a book about Slackware: back then my modem (28.8 baud?) was too slow to d/l the equivalent of what was on that CD. Then I tried Debian and stick with it for a while. Then I moved to Red Hat, tried SuSE, CentOS, Fedora and so many others I don't remember and eventually I came back to Debian and now I'm a happy Debian camper since years.

Debian on my servers and on my desktop / workstation as well (I'm using the (tiling) Awesome window manager).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Wed, 16 April 2014, 15:31:31
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI.  Can't beat a 35MB iso file.  :)

It is pretty good so far.  Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive.  Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special.  That is always nice...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Wed, 16 April 2014, 16:22:52
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI.  Can't beat a 35MB iso file.  :)

It is pretty good so far.  Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive.  Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special.  That is always nice...

Nice, I used a liveusb of ophcrack (Running slitaz) and it was pretty nice considering how much space it takes.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Thu, 17 April 2014, 01:20:14
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI.  Can't beat a 35MB iso file.  :)

It is pretty good so far.  Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive.  Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special.  That is always nice...

yes you dang well can http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/

and if you're not a wimp: http://ttylinux.net/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Thu, 17 April 2014, 09:47:55
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI.  Can't beat a 35MB iso file.  :)

It is pretty good so far.  Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive.  Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special.  That is always nice...

yes you dang well can http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/

and if you're not a wimp: http://ttylinux.net/

Woah ttylinux looks really cool, definitely going to play around with this tonight.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Thu, 17 April 2014, 10:23:15
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI.  Can't beat a 35MB iso file.  :)

It is pretty good so far.  Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive.  Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special.  That is always nice...

yes you dang well can http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/

and if you're not a wimp: http://ttylinux.net/

TTYLinux doesn't have a UI included does it?  I use ttylinux on CloudStack cause it is tiny...

tinycorelinux is pretty ugly i must say...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 17 April 2014, 11:37:01
I was starting to build up a CentOS server from the ground up with no pre-installed dependencies, but as a Linux novice, this proved to be very difficult. I feel like the debugging/troubleshooting aspect of a Linux environment needs to be learned from the command-line environment (from a netadmin perspective at least), to be able to support Linux for a company/enterprise.

I have a "lab environment" with two Fedora Clients, and CentOS. Fedora seems to be solid for end users in a business setting, but I probably wouldn't use it at home.

 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Fri, 18 April 2014, 10:31:45
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI.  Can't beat a 35MB iso file.  :)

It is pretty good so far.  Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive.  Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special.  That is always nice...

yes you dang well can http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/

and if you're not a wimp: http://ttylinux.net/

TTYLinux doesn't have a UI included does it?  I use ttylinux on CloudStack cause it is tiny...

tinycorelinux is pretty ugly i must say...

Tinycore is awesome! I need to check out this ttylinux...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tricheboars on Fri, 18 April 2014, 10:40:16
arch and mainly centOS
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: TacticalCoder on Fri, 18 April 2014, 19:50:59
btw... I do agree that Debian lacks behind when it comes to packages / releases. That's why I compile important stuff from sources, like Emacs. I admit it's a bit crazy: I think Debian still ships Emacs 23 (or maybe even 22!?) even though we're already at Emacs 24.3 and Emacs is not exactly a software which comes up frequently with new major releases.

The reason I use Debian is that it's rock-stable solid. My desktop regularly reaches 6 months of uptime (typically it's restarted when there's a black-out or when I move my desk, neither of which happens often). It's a desktop with a core i5 - 3450s (very low max TDP), 80+ gold alim, no GPU (only the integrated one), SSD, etc. so the electricity consumption is really not an issue (and it's ultra-quiet) and I can leave it on all the time.

I've had a dedicated server with Debian on it which reached 4 years of uptime (no critical security hole affecting its setup during these four years, so no need to restart it!). It got restarted the day the motherboard eventually died and got changed by the company I was renting the server from. That's why I'm "sold" on Debian.

Sure, they may lack a bit (or a lot) behind on software releases but they've chosen to create an insanely stable distro and they totally delivered on that front.

Easily six months of uptime for a desktop. 'nuff said  8)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Fri, 18 April 2014, 20:02:37
I figured that was a given. ;)
Yeah, you can pretty much go indefinitely with good ole Deb. Slackware, is much flakier out of the box and requires quite a bit of modding to get it stable, but when you get it there it's just as stable as you can get.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Sat, 19 April 2014, 09:30:24
Slackware flaky!? I politely disagree!

On another note. I'm going to be leaving fluxbox behind and switch to a tiling window manager. Been trying out awesome and i3 and so far i3 is taking the cake.

Hopefully I can nail down my config before Monday, for the most part.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sulonen on Sat, 19 April 2014, 10:18:59
I used Red Hat from ~96 to 2002.. Debian ever since. Personally, not a fan of all the 'extra' stuff (...and their dependencies) many distros install.

This. RedHat was popular for a variety of reasons during the DotCom era - primarily the ease of configuration provided by RPM, but I feel that Debian is actually a more mature product. The Debian community is far and away the most abusive and intolerant group of netizens I've encountered, but they do keep the distro honest.

I run Debian on systems that I have control over. Dependencies are handled (to my mind at least) intelligently. We use Suse at work for a variety of application servers, and Debian for utility boxen. I believe Suse is a RedHat deriivative; it seems to be popular among DB middleware providers tryiing to get away from Solaris. Java is a teensy bit more challenging on Debian, but not bad.

(And darn this bouncing "I" on the Black Widow ultimate I'm using right now. I'm about ready to throw this board away and go back to one of my Das or get the HHKB out of my bag... Anyone else have problems with QC on Razer boards? It's not like they cost that much less than "real" boards...)

And vim. Yes. emacs is the product of dementia.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dante on Sun, 20 April 2014, 20:12:45
I put Lubuntu on my dad's PC today.  With all his porn spyware/etc he was getting along with it being XP it was time to get him on something new.

Not bad - especially on a single core w/ 512mb.  Most of the bloat comes from the web browser not the OS.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: marcusant on Sun, 20 April 2014, 20:51:28
I use Arch on all of my home PCs and Debian on my servers.

The AUR in Arch makes it pretty much impossible for me to switch to anything else and stick to it for over a week. I also like FreeBSD (not Linux, but whatever), but hardware support is hit or miss.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sun, 20 April 2014, 20:56:09
I use Arch on all of my home PCs and Debian on my servers.

The AUR in Arch makes it pretty much impossible for me to switch to anything else and stick to it for over a week. I also like FreeBSD (not Linux, but whatever), but hardware support is hit or miss.

Nice, another Archer. Do you game on your Arch install?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: marcusant on Sun, 20 April 2014, 21:02:11
I use Arch on all of my home PCs and Debian on my servers.

The AUR in Arch makes it pretty much impossible for me to switch to anything else and stick to it for over a week. I also like FreeBSD (not Linux, but whatever), but hardware support is hit or miss.

Nice, another Archer. Do you game on your Arch install?

I hardly game much, but when I do I usually just play the games that are natively ported over to *nix on Steam (I don't bother with WINE or anything). I have a Windows partition on my desktop if I feel like playing anything that isn't supported natively (I have a lot of extra disk space).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sun, 20 April 2014, 21:04:05
I use Arch on all of my home PCs and Debian on my servers.

The AUR in Arch makes it pretty much impossible for me to switch to anything else and stick to it for over a week. I also like FreeBSD (not Linux, but whatever), but hardware support is hit or miss.

Nice, another Archer. Do you game on your Arch install?

I hardly game much, but when I do I usually just play the games that are natively ported over to *nix on Steam (I don't bother with WINE or anything). I have a Windows partition on my desktop if I feel like playing anything that isn't supported natively (I have a lot of extra disk space).

Nice. Yah the only game I really play is DoTA2, which runs great on Arch. Really impressed with the porting.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fishfalcon on Tue, 22 April 2014, 22:00:00
I dual boot arch and windows 7 on my Thinkpad, and am using Debian and win8 on my desktop... I only use windows for adobe software, and  Steam.

I'm thinking of switching to debian from arch... its stability is far more valuable to me than being 'bleeding-edge' rolling release. I remember updating my gnome desktop roughly a year ago only to discover that my gdm.service broke, and had to rescue by usb :( not a dealbreaker, but an unexpected inconvenience. A bigger inconvenience is depending on AUR packages which are or are not kept up to date, which can cause breakages... Since I only really 'edit text'/code in linux, i don't need much else... my biggest extravagance is using KDE :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 22 April 2014, 22:04:48
I dual boot arch and windows 7 on my Thinkpad, and am using Debian and win8 on my desktop... I only use windows for adobe software, and  Steam.

People (ok, person) mocked me for calling Steam a mission-critical app.  It is good to see I have a brother in Windows-for-Adobe-plus-Steam!

Rock on, fishfalcon!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fishfalcon on Tue, 22 April 2014, 22:09:49
Heck yea! MS paint hasn't been a killer app for me since kindergarten! lol
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Tue, 22 April 2014, 22:12:47
If it wasn't for Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, I would be using a Linux machine as my daily driver.  I did for 7 years, but GIMP and Inkspace just were not cutting it for me then.  They may be better now, I should check.  Currently using a Mac as my core laptop but all my other environments are Linux.   
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 22 April 2014, 22:29:11
If it wasn't for Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, I would be using a Linux machine as my daily driver.  I did for 7 years, but GIMP and Inkspace just were not cutting it for me then.  They may be better now, I should check.  Currently using a Mac as my core laptop but all my other environments are Linux.   

I have switched to GIMP and Inkscape for 90% of those tasks.  Sometimes I have to drop back to Photoshop, but rarely.  Visio and video production are Windows tasks for me still.  And some Word things that need "real" Word for compatibility with HR departments, etc.  Gimp and Inkscape are worth a re-look now.

And Steam, but don't give up your gaming machine just yet.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Tue, 22 April 2014, 23:25:50
If it wasn't for Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, I would be using a Linux machine as my daily driver.  I did for 7 years, but GIMP and Inkspace just were not cutting it for me then.  They may be better now, I should check.  Currently using a Mac as my core laptop but all my other environments are Linux.   

I have switched to GIMP and Inkscape for 90% of those tasks.  Sometimes I have to drop back to Photoshop, but rarely.  Visio and video production are Windows tasks for me still.  And some Word things that need "real" Word for compatibility with HR departments, etc.  Gimp and Inkscape are worth a re-look now.

And Steam, but don't give up your gaming machine just yet.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I will check them out again...

Ya, I play LoL and thats pretty much it.  Working well on my Mac right now, but I have not tried on a Linux machine yet.  I played WoW on a really old Linux machine with WineX for a long time.  Performed perfectly...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 23 April 2014, 05:19:53
If it wasn't for Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, I would be using a Linux machine as my daily driver.  I did for 7 years, but GIMP and Inkspace just were not cutting it for me then.  They may be better now, I should check.
you won't believe!!!!!1111111 gimp can use a single window layout now!!!!1111111
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Demetrium on Wed, 23 April 2014, 12:52:21
Debian for work, gonna try out Ubuntu on an old laptop though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: abjr on Wed, 23 April 2014, 13:00:48
I have been using Slackware at home and on my personal servers since 1994. However, within the past year I have transitioned to Mint on my desktop at home. At work it's all SuSE.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Altis on Thu, 15 May 2014, 19:22:15
The only Linux I use is Slacko Puppy, booted from a USB 2.0 drive. I use it because I can boot it on my work laptop while on the go and don't have to worry about the whole encrypted work drive/spyware/keyloggers.

It boots very quickly and seems to just work without issue. I also really like being able to instantly access multiple desktops with Alt+1-4. Might try 5.7.1 'Precise' and see if it's any good.

To be honest, though, I know very very little about Linux, and find it difficult to get into as everything is straight away over my head.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Thu, 15 May 2014, 20:02:02
I've recently moved from funtoo to sabayon. Not a huge change, but way less effort to work with. :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: physicsmajor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 23:45:24
Linux Mint for mobile, Scientific Linux on workstation. The latter is just impressive.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Mon, 19 May 2014, 00:48:46
Currently running Fedora 20 because it makes it easy to develop against GNOME bleeding edge.

I roll around Fedora, Debian and gentoo. Debian being the one I end up spending the most time on.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 20 May 2014, 09:29:18
I use Windows 98.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Tue, 20 May 2014, 09:34:34
I use Windows 98.

Garbage... go troll a different thread.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 20 May 2014, 09:35:23
I use Windows 98.

Garbage... go troll a different thread.

Windows 98 is not garbage. Don't make yourself look like a fool saying things like that.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: boost on Tue, 20 May 2014, 09:40:47
mint
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 20 May 2014, 09:42:58
Ubuntu. Cuz it's the most mainstream.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 20 May 2014, 11:25:03
Ubuntu. Cuz it's the most mainstream.
y u no hipstah
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Tue, 20 May 2014, 11:54:57
I use Windows 98.

Garbage... go troll a different thread.

Windows 98 is not garbage. Don't make yourself look like a fool saying things like that.

Blue screens of garbage...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 20 May 2014, 11:59:15
I use Windows 98.

Garbage... go troll a different thread.

Windows 98 is not garbage. Don't make yourself look like a fool saying things like that.

Blue screens of garbage...

Those are purely fictional. They only happen when you use crappy browsers like Firefox.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Tue, 20 May 2014, 12:39:31
I use Windows 98.

Windows 98 != Linux

Windows 98 != a real operating system
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 20 May 2014, 12:43:24
I use Windows 98.

Windows 98 != Linux

Windows 98 != a real operating system

Windows 9x = a GUI for DOS, so you're technically right.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Tue, 20 May 2014, 12:49:28
I use Windows 98.

Windows 98 != Linux

Windows 98 != a real operating system

Yeah, it is what I meant. Just a shell of DOS, and a copycat of Apple at that.
Windows 9x = a GUI for DOS, so you're technically right.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 20 May 2014, 13:06:43
I use Windows 98.

Windows 98 != Linux

Windows 98 != a real operating system

Windows 9x = a GUI for DOS, so you're technically right.
Yeah, it is what I meant. Just a shell of DOS, and a copycat of Apple at that.

FTFY. (I do this all the time too).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Tue, 20 May 2014, 13:23:56
I use Windows 98.

Windows 98 != Linux

Windows 98 != a real operating system

Windows 9x = a GUI for DOS, so you're technically right.
Yeah, it is what I meant. Just a shell of DOS, and a copycat of Apple at that.

FTFY. (I do this all the time too).

Oooops

Yeah, it is what I meant. Just a shell of DOS, and a copycat of Apple at that.
Windows 9x = a GUI for DOS, so you're technically right.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 20 May 2014, 13:46:11
Update here: Mint 15 Cinnamon on a laptop, Mint 16 Cinnamon on my desktop -- dual boot win7 :( -- Ubuntu server 12.04.4 LTS on my new samba file server box.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: airlangga07 on Wed, 21 May 2014, 04:53:04
#! Linux, with i3wm, plus firefox+vimperator. my little setup with minimum usage of mouse.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: C5Allroad on Wed, 21 May 2014, 14:40:09
Ubuntu here... Still learning ins and outs of Linux lol
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Protato_Tubby on Wed, 21 May 2014, 16:53:52
Ubuntu here... Still learning ins and outs of Linux lol
Yup, most people start on 'Buntu! :D
Have fun!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 21 May 2014, 17:11:28
Ubuntu here... Still learning ins and outs of Linux lol

Enjoy it. I find it much more functional and powerful than windows. If I wasn't so tied to my games, I'd give it up entirely.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Wed, 21 May 2014, 17:51:19
Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.

If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.

For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: brainT on Wed, 21 May 2014, 18:10:55
I started out on Ubuntu but have mainly stayed with Crunchbang with a few brief forays into other distro's.  I've been curious about both Arch and Gentoo so I'll probably end up giving one or both of them a go when I have the time/patience needed to do so.  I've also been meaning to play around with Mint as we sell refurbed Thinkpads with it at work and it would be good to be at least somewhat familiar with it.  So many distro's, so little time...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Wed, 21 May 2014, 18:15:24
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 21 May 2014, 18:30:51
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.

Very interesting. Ubuntu feisty was one of the distros I cut my teeth on. Haven't used it much since the release of hardy. Checked out the latest release but Unity is not for me.

What flavor were you leading up? A fluxbuntu type or a suite based distro like musix?

Edit : music --> musix ... Autocorrect arggg

Welcome to geekhack
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Wed, 21 May 2014, 18:33:27
Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.

If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.

For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
I said funtoo, which is gentoo except it uses git instead of rsync. But I use Sabayon now, which is gentoo but without the hassle of installing the bare necessities.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:17:36
Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.

If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.

For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
I said funtoo, which is gentoo except it uses git instead of rsync. But I use Sabayon now, which is gentoo but without the hassle of installing the bare necessities.

Very interested in trying out Sabayon, it looks really cool. Always been to lazy to use Gentoo and have stuck with Arch, but now I'm starting to feel like I am missing out.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:17:55
linux mint 16 mate
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:24:10
Very interested in trying out Sabayon, it looks really cool. Always been to lazy to use Gentoo and have stuck with Arch, but now I'm starting to feel like I am missing out.
If you have lots of spare time, gentoo (and its derivatives) are awesome. A have a project in the works for a super light weight and pre-configured funtoo distro. Still in concept, but I hope to start real work on it over the summer.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:48:06
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.

I agree that ubuntu is not what it used to be. It was my os of choice, now I am still searching for a favorite. I don't really like centos, but I work in it every day, so I am used to it.

I miss the easy to use, but no fat distros (like ubuntu when it first came out).

Looking for suggestions.
- I want a nice package manager that has relatively new versions of software (don't want to compile everything).
- simple and fast gui. No special effects to slow things down.
- I live in the terminal and browser, so those are important.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:50:00
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.

I agree that ubuntu is not what it used to be. It was my os of choice, now I am still searching for a favorite. I don't really like centos, but I work in it every day, so I am used to it.

I miss the easy to use, but no fat distros (like ubuntu when it first came out).

Looking for suggestions.
- I want a nice package manager that has relatively new versions of software (don't want to compile everything).
- simple and fast gui. No special effects to slow things down.
- I live in the terminal and browser, so those are important.

Arch Linux sounds like what youre looking for, PM me if you have any questions about it, been using Arch for ages.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:53:15
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.

I agree that ubuntu is not what it used to be. It was my os of choice, now I am still searching for a favorite. I don't really like centos, but I work in it every day, so I am used to it.

I miss the easy to use, but no fat distros (like ubuntu when it first came out).

Looking for suggestions.
- I want a nice package manager that has relatively new versions of software (don't want to compile everything).
- simple and fast gui. No special effects to slow things down.
- I live in the terminal and browser, so those are important.

Arch Linux sounds like what youre looking for, PM me if you have any questions about it, been using Arch for ages.

Ya I have been playing with arch. I switched from it because I was having networking issues (which turned out to be hardware), so I should switch back to it. It seemed pretty good in the short time I was playing with it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Wed, 21 May 2014, 20:48:40
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.

Very interesting. Ubuntu feisty was one of the distros I cut my teeth on. Haven't used it much since the release of hardy. Checked out the latest release but Unity is not for me.

What flavor were you leading up? A fluxbuntu type or a suite based distro like musix?

Edit : music --> musix ... Autocorrect arggg

Welcome to geekhack

Ubuntu Studio. It is still around but I was too busy at work when I stepped down and then moved on to lower level projects.

http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 21 May 2014, 20:54:46
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.

I agree that ubuntu is not what it used to be. It was my os of choice, now I am still searching for a favorite. I don't really like centos, but I work in it every day, so I am used to it.

I miss the easy to use, but no fat distros (like ubuntu when it first came out).

Looking for suggestions.
- I want a nice package manager that has relatively new versions of software (don't want to compile everything).
- simple and fast gui. No special effects to slow things down.
- I live in the terminal and browser, so those are important.

Arch Linux sounds like what youre looking for, PM me if you have any questions about it, been using Arch for ages.

Ya I have been playing with arch. I switched from it because I was having networking issues (which turned out to be hardware), so I should switch back to it. It seemed pretty good in the short time I was playing with it.

Arch reccomendation seconded for you. Will give you power tune the distro to your liking, good documentation and package management via pacman.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 21 May 2014, 20:59:51
Debian is a very good alternative to Ubuntu. Ubuntu has become painfully "corporate" and has malware/spyware enabled out of the box. You can turn these tracking features off if you want. I choose to just use another OS.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: bueller on Wed, 21 May 2014, 21:04:07
Using ubuntu here but I don't really use it much. Just have it running on a Raspberry Pi so I can push my git repo's to it once a week as a backup.  Works great for that purpose.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 21 May 2014, 21:06:30
I didn't know that they had a Pi version of Ubuntu, or is it just for Arm? Why not use Raspbian?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Wed, 21 May 2014, 21:06:37
Debian is a very good alternative to Ubuntu. Ubuntu has become painfully "corporate" and has malware/spyware enabled out of the box. You can turn these tracking features off if you want. I choose to just use another OS.

+1. Debian is a classic and still strong for a reason.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 21 May 2014, 21:22:08
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.

Very interesting. Ubuntu feisty was one of the distros I cut my teeth on. Haven't used it much since the release of hardy. Checked out the latest release but Unity is not for me.

What flavor were you leading up? A fluxbuntu type or a suite based distro like musix?

Edit : music --> musix ... Autocorrect arggg

Welcome to geekhack

Ubuntu Studio. It is still around but I was too busy at work when I stepped down and then moved on to lower level projects.

http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/

It is indeed still around. Just grabbed a fresh (to me) copy of the iso for the stockpile
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Wed, 21 May 2014, 21:25:43
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.

And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.

Very interesting. Ubuntu feisty was one of the distros I cut my teeth on. Haven't used it much since the release of hardy. Checked out the latest release but Unity is not for me.

What flavor were you leading up? A fluxbuntu type or a suite based distro like musix?

Edit : music --> musix ... Autocorrect arggg

Welcome to geekhack

Ubuntu Studio. It is still around but I was too busy at work when I stepped down and then moved on to lower level projects.

http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/

It is indeed still around. Just grabbed a fresh (to me) copy of the iso for the stockpile

Awesome  :thumb:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: bueller on Wed, 21 May 2014, 21:27:59
I didn't know that they had a Pi version of Ubuntu, or is it just for Arm? Why not use Raspbian?

You're right, I must have been thinking of when I had my microserver. It is running Raspbian, derp.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Thu, 22 May 2014, 08:11:14
Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.

If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.

For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
I said funtoo, which is gentoo except it uses git instead of rsync. But I use Sabayon now, which is gentoo but without the hassle of installing the bare necessities.

Very interested in trying out Sabayon, it looks really cool. Always been to lazy to use Gentoo and have stuck with Arch, but now I'm starting to feel like I am missing out.
You might be disappointed though. I tried Sabayon last year, but it didn't work out at all. After each reboot, something else didn't work; I had never seen X.Org that broken.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Thu, 22 May 2014, 08:39:10
Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.

If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.

For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
I said funtoo, which is gentoo except it uses git instead of rsync. But I use Sabayon now, which is gentoo but without the hassle of installing the bare necessities.

Very interested in trying out Sabayon, it looks really cool. Always been to lazy to use Gentoo and have stuck with Arch, but now I'm starting to feel like I am missing out.

Gentoo is on my list of distros to try. The reason it has not been a priority for me is that is just doesn't seem like the half of a microsecond gained in execution time is worth all of the fuss of compiling everything. Years ago, an FTP server was compromised that was running CentOS that our group maintained. The breach was probably due to a poor configuration and not the core operating system itself. A co-worker thought it would be a good idea to put a hardened gentoo install on the box instead. I appreciate the nod towards security but the initial compile took over 2 days to complete.

Granted, a Gentoo install can be done more traditionally to speed up the process. But as we all know, time = money, and in any production environment, having a 2 day downtime could impact your organization dramatically.

Seems more like a distro for tinkerers--which a lot of us are here :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tricheboars on Thu, 22 May 2014, 14:02:40
my poweredge runs centOS at home.  i tried to make it a LAMP server but that didnt work at all.  i honestly think i will throw Microsoft Server 2008 R2 on it this weekend. sorry i dont think any of you wanted to hear that.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Thu, 22 May 2014, 17:14:43
my poweredge runs centOS at home.  i tried to make it a LAMP server but that didnt work at all.  i honestly think i will throw Microsoft Server 2008 R2 on it this weekend. sorry i dont think any of you wanted to hear that.

The trick with setting up a lamp stack is that you have to do it all together. If you just install all the components it won't work. You have to setup apache, php and mysql together at the same time otherwise they don't actually know about each other. It is annoying and has bit me in the @55 before.

If you want to give it another go I can look at my chef recipe and give you the steps.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 22 May 2014, 17:53:58
I'm back on Xubuntu right now. CentOS is solid, but I need something a bit more on the bleeding edge, package-wise
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: gcb on Thu, 22 May 2014, 18:02:54
Debian whenever i can. leave me with my old and stable packages. and get out of my lawn!

RH at work. yuck.

wife's on ubuntu.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: luisbg on Fri, 23 May 2014, 00:06:23
Gentoo is on my list of distros to try. The reason it has not been a priority for me is that is just doesn't seem like the half of a microsecond gained in execution time is worth all of the fuss of compiling everything. Years ago, an FTP server was compromised that was running CentOS that our group maintained. The breach was probably due to a poor configuration and not the core operating system itself. A co-worker thought it would be a good idea to put a hardened gentoo install on the box instead. I appreciate the nod towards security but the initial compile took over 2 days to complete.

Granted, a Gentoo install can be done more traditionally to speed up the process. But as we all know, time = money, and in any production environment, having a 2 day downtime could impact your organization dramatically.

Seems more like a distro for tinkerers--which a lot of us are here :D

You got that right. It is for tinkerers.

Not only for performance gains, which with today's cpu/memory/ssd isn't much. It is more because you can tinker with the flags everything in your machine is compiled with. You can overlay anything you want. Build a system from scratch with hand-picked components.

I personally like the idea of having all the source code that runs my machine easily available. If you want to tinker with any component, you can just patch against the gentoo package and done.
Most packages have patches to make them software play nice with the system, so the package system is designed to patch -> compile -> run.
Tinker to the most minute detail. It is amazing.

That said, it is time consuming. And a rathole. Just like tweeking your keyboard. Sometimes you just need something you can plug and go. For that you have debian, Ubuntu or Fedora.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jmolino on Fri, 23 May 2014, 00:15:40
I'm using the latest stable version of Ubuntu (Trusty whatever... 14.04) and it is superb as a Desktop OS.

As for my servers, I run all CentOS release 5.9 (Final).

Most importantly on my servers I run Atomic Secured Linux:

http://www.atomicorp.com/products/asl.html (http://www.atomicorp.com/products/asl.html)

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ASL is a Unified Threat Manager that hardens both your web applications and operating system in addition to incorporating numerous proprietary security functions and methodologies.

I would not put a linux box on the internet without it.  Period.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Fri, 23 May 2014, 05:40:12
gentoo is on my list of repositories that i tried and abandoned forever.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Fri, 23 May 2014, 06:05:19
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in addition to incorporating numerous proprietary security functions and methodologies
What's that? Backdoors?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Fri, 23 May 2014, 08:17:21
For a server, maybe. I don't see the point of hardening or antivirus for a desktop box, with how unattractive Linux is as a target to begin with. I've been running Win 7 for years with no protection other than a router's firewall and intelligent browsing habits.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jmolino on Fri, 23 May 2014, 08:45:33
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in addition to incorporating numerous proprietary security functions and methodologies
What's that? Backdoors?

I'm not sure exactly which of their feature(s) are "proprietary" - and yes - it is a closed source system (....maybe for a security product that isn't a bad thing...).  But the implication is valid: "who can we trust?"!

It's hard nowadays to trust anybody in light of the whole PRISM/NSA thing.  Working in the IT industry...by just using any operating system, website, even open-source software (see Canonical's post: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-We-Have-Root-Trust-Us-294538.shtml (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-We-Have-Root-Trust-Us-294538.shtml) we make decisions about who to trust every day. 

Regarding Atomicorp.. seems they are pretty stand-up: http://www.atomicorp.com/company/about-us.html (http://www.atomicorp.com/company/about-us.html)

Personally, I am thankful to have this software protect my servers after seeing just how many (in the *hundreds*) of hack attempts occur every day to each one of my servers!  (And yes this product is for servers primarily).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Fri, 23 May 2014, 08:53:55
For a server, maybe. I don't see the point of hardening or antivirus for a desktop box, with how unattractive Linux is as a target to begin with. I've been running Win 7 for years with no protection other than a router's firewall and intelligent browsing habits.

I too live dangerously on my dedicated win7 box at home, no AV. It's just a gaming rig though.

I don't recommend other users to run that way however. :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Tetsuo on Fri, 23 May 2014, 13:43:20
I just install Gentoo on everything.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Altis on Sun, 25 May 2014, 01:02:53
Started using Elementary OS Luna recently on a 6 year old Dell laptop that I resurrected from the grave. It's quite visually appealing and worked well right out of the gates. Hard pressed to bother with other distros at the moment, other than Slacko Puppy when running from USB drive.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Flamingchook on Sun, 25 May 2014, 07:52:55
I messed up my windows 8.1 boot partition pretty bad yesterday so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day while I wait for the Windows 8.1 ISO to download. I'm super impressed with it. Some of the minor annoyances I had with previous versions of mint and ubuntu are gone and I'm really enjoying it!

I'd make the switch if I didn't need to be on Windows for some of my university stuff... And steam obviously :cool:. When I build my new PC at the end of the year I'll get a dual boot going with one flavour or another.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sun, 25 May 2014, 08:05:45
I messed up my windows 8.1 boot partition pretty bad yesterday so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day while I wait for the Windows 8.1 ISO to download. I'm super impressed with it. Some of the minor annoyances I had with previous versions of mint and ubuntu are gone and I'm really enjoying it!

I'd make the switch if I didn't need to be on Windows for some of my university stuff... And steam obviously :cool:. When I build my new PC at the end of the year I'll get a dual boot going with one flavour or another.

There is steam for linux now.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: D01 on Sun, 25 May 2014, 08:22:44
If, and that's a big if, I was going to use Linux I would be on LMDE 201403.  With MATE desktop.

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 25 May 2014, 15:09:08
I messed up my windows 8.1 boot partition pretty bad yesterday so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day while I wait for the Windows 8.1 ISO to download. I'm super impressed with it. Some of the minor annoyances I had with previous versions of mint and ubuntu are gone and I'm really enjoying it!

I'd make the switch if I didn't need to be on Windows for some of my university stuff... And steam obviously :cool:. When I build my new PC at the end of the year I'll get a dual boot going with one flavour or another.

There is steam for linux now.

There is, but many games don't run, and those that do don't always run as well. And if you're using an AMD card, you might as well not try.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sun, 25 May 2014, 16:29:19
I messed up my windows 8.1 boot partition pretty bad yesterday so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day while I wait for the Windows 8.1 ISO to download. I'm super impressed with it. Some of the minor annoyances I had with previous versions of mint and ubuntu are gone and I'm really enjoying it!

I'd make the switch if I didn't need to be on Windows for some of my university stuff... And steam obviously :cool:. When I build my new PC at the end of the year I'll get a dual boot going with one flavour or another.

There is steam for linux now.

There is, but many games don't run, and those that do don't always run as well. And if you're using an AMD card, you might as well not try.

that sucks.  thanks for the knowledge...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Sun, 25 May 2014, 16:46:06
Windows is still king in proprietary graphics performance but the gap is closing. AMD setups can get a little tricky especially if you have an APU series. The trick is to blacklist the correct modules at boot.

Also don't use xinerama as it 3D is not supported.  You're better off with xrandr anyway imo
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 25 May 2014, 19:21:42
[...] so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day [...]

Something you can't readily do with Windows.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: gcb on Mon, 26 May 2014, 02:53:11
If, and that's a big if, I was going to use Linux I would be on LMDE 201403.  With MATE desktop.

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

mate is overrated.

gnome was undermined a long time ago when i bet apple put moles in the project to trhow away all the good design and UI goals, and replace it with OS9 clones.  ...than the same happened with gnome 3 and osx... anyway, conspiracy-theory-jokes aside, mate does not solve the problem, they only go back to the previous OS9 clone trolling.

the day you use a tiling window manager or any other non-1970 desktop/windows concept... you will be sold.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: welsinki on Mon, 26 May 2014, 03:32:11
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Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Mon, 26 May 2014, 08:25:53
If, and that's a big if, I was going to use Linux I would be on LMDE 201403.  With MATE desktop.

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

mate is overrated.

gnome was undermined a long time ago when i bet apple put moles in the project to trhow away all the good design and UI goals, and replace it with OS9 clones.  ...than the same happened with gnome 3 and osx... anyway, conspiracy-theory-jokes aside, mate does not solve the problem, they only go back to the previous OS9 clone trolling.

the day you use a tiling window manager or any other non-1970 desktop/windows concept... you will be sold.

This is why I love the Unity desktop. It took the best ideas of a tiling window manager and added smart design decisions to make it work more intuitively for a mainstream audience.

Other than the blot of an engine it runs on. If you are running older hardware it runs real slow.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Mon, 26 May 2014, 10:51:36
If, and that's a big if, I was going to use Linux I would be on LMDE 201403.  With MATE desktop.

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

mate is overrated.

gnome was undermined a long time ago when i bet apple put moles in the project to trhow away all the good design and UI goals, and replace it with OS9 clones.  ...than the same happened with gnome 3 and osx... anyway, conspiracy-theory-jokes aside, mate does not solve the problem, they only go back to the previous OS9 clone trolling.

the day you use a tiling window manager or any other non-1970 desktop/windows concept... you will be sold.

Maybe this explains why I like MATE...I was always a big fan of OS9/8/7/6. Never felt the same way about OSX...

Tiling window managers just don't do it for me. I find that having windows behave less like physical objects makes the interface less intuitive and creates a feeling of disempowerment. Tried Unity also and made it about an hour before I decided that I just couldn't deal with it anymore.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jmolino on Mon, 26 May 2014, 12:40:01
This is why I love the Unity desktop. It took the best ideas of a tiling window manager and added smart design decisions to make it work more intuitively for a mainstream audience.

Can you elaborate a bit on how Unity uses ideas from tiling WMs?  Do you mean the snapping and Super/arrow hotkeys?

I been playing with Xmonad for a few days - and it seems that it is nothing like Unity at all...

(BTW - I also tried the new Gnome desktop as well, but prefer Unity...)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: gcb on Tue, 27 May 2014, 00:54:34
Tiling window managers just don't do it for me. I find that having windows behave less like physical objects makes the interface less intuitive and creates a feeling of disempowerment. Tried Unity also and made it about an hour before I decided that I just couldn't deal with it anymore.

Yeah, osx is total garbage.

But trust me on this one. Tiling window managers are like touch-typing.

Right now you are like someone typing with two indexes fingers. of course you are going to feel limited and threatened by a non-staggered keyboard.... but once you learn to touch type you will love that non-staggered board :)

it is the same with window managers. and text editors. :)  ...maybe it was because i was already using vim's and screen's windows that i like tiling window managers so much... o well. just trust me that it is very similar to the touch typing experience. you feel safe not trying it... but after you get the hang of it, you keep questioning yourself how you lived without every time you see someone that can't.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 27 May 2014, 01:00:22
It's a shame BumpTop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BumpTop) never really saw the light of day.

Gotta wonder what Google has been doing with it all these years.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Tue, 27 May 2014, 08:18:30
It's a shame BumpTop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BumpTop) never really saw the light of day.

Gotta wonder what Google has been doing with it all these years.

They may have scooped it up to avoid future competition. See threat, buy threat, kill threat, no threat :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Tue, 27 May 2014, 08:22:14
Tiling window managers just don't do it for me. I find that having windows behave less like physical objects makes the interface less intuitive and creates a feeling of disempowerment. Tried Unity also and made it about an hour before I decided that I just couldn't deal with it anymore.

Yeah, osx is total garbage.

But trust me on this one. Tiling window managers are like touch-typing.

Right now you are like someone typing with two indexes fingers. of course you are going to feel limited and threatened by a non-staggered keyboard.... but once you learn to touch type you will love that non-staggered board :)

it is the same with window managers. and text editors. :)  ...maybe it was because i was already using vim's and screen's windows that i like tiling window managers so much... o well. just trust me that it is very similar to the touch typing experience. you feel safe not trying it... but after you get the hang of it, you keep questioning yourself how you lived without every time you see someone that can't.

Tiling WMs are really great. Currently I am using i3 but there are others out there. The configs can be tailored to make it perform and behave exactly as desired.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Tue, 27 May 2014, 20:22:01
Awesome WM master race reporting in. xmonad and bspwm are awesome too.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: StylinGreymon on Wed, 28 May 2014, 05:16:24
I've been using i3 for over a year now, and I love it.

However, I do miss having a set amount of workspaces that I can just flit through.
That's kinda why I miss WMFS 1 so much.

i3 with WMFS 1's  panel would be the bee's knees.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 28 May 2014, 09:47:53
I've been using i3 for over a year now, and I love it.

However, I do miss having a set amount of workspaces that I can just flit through.
That's kinda why I miss WMFS 1 so much.

i3 with WMFS 1's  panel would be the bee's knees.

i3 can be configured to launch a set amount of workspaces upon login. Of course you could always spawn new entities later.

To cycle :

# prev/next workspace
bindsym Mod1+Shift+Left workspace prev_on_output
bindsym Mod1+Shift+Right workspace next_on_output
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hjkl_over_wasd on Wed, 28 May 2014, 10:33:38
Gentoo? psssshhh....

Show Image
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)


Lol, great strip. In all seriousness though, vim masterrace reporting in.

In the terminal vim is king. I usually use sublime text otherwise (but that's off topic)
If you know Vim, Vim is king no matter where. Nothing has even come close to mimic the modal editing scheme in Vim that allows for ninja editing powers.

On topic: Slackware 14.1 on workstation, laptop and server.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: daerid on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:55:57
I've been using i3 for over a year now, and I love it.

However, I do miss having a set amount of workspaces that I can just flit through.
That's kinda why I miss WMFS 1 so much.

i3 with WMFS 1's  panel would be the bee's knees.

$mod+[1-9] ? i3 should just create a workspace as necessary

You can even name 'em: http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#workspace_screen
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 28 May 2014, 14:28:12
^ congrats on 4000 posts, fellow vimitizen.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hydrospell on Wed, 28 May 2014, 15:20:24
^ congrats on 4000 posts, fellow vimian.

FTFY ... ? 

Anyway.. Arch linux + vim + xmonad for me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: brainT on Sat, 31 May 2014, 17:31:51
Does anyone have any experience with Antergos?  I plan on dong a straight Arch install when I have the time for but I would like to get a little experience with something Arch based before jumping in.  Putting the time in to install it only to find I loath it isn't all that appealing.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: roaduck on Sat, 31 May 2014, 22:10:53
I'm using Arch at home and Ubuntu at work.

Whats the general GH Linux concensus?

i`ve got some sort of Linux in virtual box on my Windows Tiny XP Pro 3 desktop - it`s on something called dualtrust from a site called deepnet security.It`s a browser inside a sandbox not a sandbox inside a browser like normal lol!

http://www.deepnetsecurity.com/products/dualtrust/.

I also use WhiteHat Aviator browser on Windows which is a very secure browser.

https://www.whitehatsec.com/aviator/

My windows is so locked down with script blockers etc, I`ve not had any viruses or malware for 7  years and I have no anti-virus proggies on it.....I know my onions; I do online cloud scans with Panda. I`ve been doin `puters a long time; since 1980.

Literally in the last few days I set up an ASUS K53E lapdog with dual boot Win 7 Ultimate 64 and Linux Zorin OS8 - 32 bit.

http://zorin-os.com/

I have used live distros before like Knoppix 5.3 so I know a bit but am currently loving Zorin.I love the speed and the power of it.



Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sat, 31 May 2014, 22:15:41
Literally in the last few days I set up an ASUS K53E lapdog with dual boot Win 7 Ultimate 64 and Linux Zorin OS8 - 32 bit.

http://zorin-os.com/

I have used live distros before like Knoppix 5.3 so I know a bit but am currently loving Zorin.I love the speed and the power of it.

Never heard of this, definitely going to check it out. Does it use the standard Linux kernel? Is it based on another distro?

EDIT: Looks like an Ubuntu derivative.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: roaduck on Sat, 31 May 2014, 22:50:42
Literally in the last few days I set up an ASUS K53E lapdog with dual boot Win 7 Ultimate 64 and Linux Zorin OS8 - 32 bit.

http://zorin-os.com/

I have used live distros before like Knoppix 5.3 so I know a bit but am currently loving Zorin.I love the speed and the power of it.

Never heard of this, definitely going to check it out. Does it use the standard Linux kernel? Is it based on another distro?

EDIT: Looks like an Ubuntu derivative.
[/quote]

Yeah I think it`s Ubuntu - I tried that in the past and it was very buggy so I gave Zorin a whirl.So far it`s tickerty boo.I`m just getting my head around it.The terminal and sudo and root commands etc.Not done that for ages.I`m so rusty.You can get Zorin from a live CD and try it first.Just boot from the Live CD first.Press F2, F12 or delete every second when you start your lapdog/desktop up from power off.

Windows has 8 versions - wow - Linux only has 600 and odd LOL! Now my red lapdog is dual-boot and breathed on with Zorin Linux I`m gonna stay on it to get the feel of it esko997.I even installed Opera 12.15 on and imported 40000 bookmarks and it`s lovin it.The lapdog is only a tiny intel dual core 1.5 GIG chip but it has 8 GB memory.I`m gonna upgrade the chip to an "I5" or "I7" somat as well soon; if the motherboard and fan have room and are compatible and the bios can handle it with a flash.

If you do download it and install it esko997 make sure you give it a password you can remember and also do not forget to tick auto log on otherwise you can't access root for authentication to install proggies etc for some unknown reason.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 31 May 2014, 23:26:19
Literally in the last few days I set up an ASUS K53E lapdog with dual boot Win 7 Ultimate 64 and Linux Zorin OS8 - 32 bit.

http://zorin-os.com/

I have used live distros before like Knoppix 5.3 so I know a bit but am currently loving Zorin.I love the speed and the power of it.

Never heard of this, definitely going to check it out. Does it use the standard Linux kernel? Is it based on another distro?

EDIT: Looks like an Ubuntu derivative.

Yeah I think it`s Ubuntu - I tried that in the past and it was very buggy so I gave Zorin a whirl.So far it`s tickerty boo.I`m just getting my head around it.The terminal and sudo and root commands etc.Not done that for ages.I`m so rusty.You can get Zorin from a live CD and try it first.Just boot from the Live CD first.Press F2, F12 or delete every second when you start your lapdog/desktop up from power off.

Windows has 8 versions - wow - Linux only has 600 and odd LOL! Now my red lapdog is dual-boot and breathed on with Zorin Linux I`m gonna stay on it to get the feel of it esko997.I even installed Opera 12.15 on and imported 40000 bookmarks and it`s lovin it.The lapdog is only a tiny intel dual core 1.5 GIG chip but it has 8 GB memory.I`m gonna upgrade the chip to an "I5" or "I7" somat as well soon; if the motherboard and fan have room and are compatible and the bios can handle it with a flash.

If you do download it and install it esko997 make sure you give it a password you can remember and also do not forget to tick auto log on otherwise you can't access root for authentication to install proggies etc for some unknown reason.
[/quote]

Highly doubt you'll be able to do such a dramatic h/w upgrade for a laptop
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: roaduck on Sun, 01 June 2014, 02:37:12
The ASUS K53 series has the same motherboard and the same size case with the small Centrino chips all the way up to the big i7`s...I`ve done more radical upgrades than that; that`s just a BIOS tweak to me...replace chip/fan...screw the back back on.....problem sol-ved lol! I can take a 15 year old HP workstation, breathe on it and make it as fast as my mate`s £1300 Samsung netbook.I can do things that my local PC shop says is impossible to accomplish... I`ve been doing `puters a while - since 1980 - over 34 years; I`m 48 now.

My computer tutor was called Martin and he was a Cambridge educated professor who worked for ICL - the British version of IBM and he was a polyglot and an undoubted polymath.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 01 June 2014, 09:23:19
I somehow read that you were trying to upgrade from core2 to i5/i7, my mistake. I stand corrected.

E: £1300 netbook? Thought the point of netbooks was to be cheap and low-power. Most expensive netbook I recall ever seeing was $200 or so.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Flamingchook on Sun, 01 June 2014, 18:34:55
I spent 3 hours trying to get my third monitor working under Mint again, something that worked out of the box but isn't working now because I made the mistake of switching to my ps3 on that monitor using a KVM switch. The third monitor has been disabled ever since and I have no idea how to fix it. I spent ages trying to get it going using the Nvidia X-Config tool and trying to get Xinerama working... All I managed to do was get Cinnamon to crash on start-up...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 01 June 2014, 18:38:55
I've never used a KVM, I always just switch inputs. I find it simpler. Not sure why it would have broken though. Intel/AMD/nvidia?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Flamingchook on Sun, 01 June 2014, 19:13:19
I'm running 2x Nvidia GTX 560Ti's.

Essentially a monitor has been "unplugged" while the system was running and it's fallen back to TwinView instead of Xinerama (at least that's what it looks like). I'm a complete Linux newbie so there might have been a simple fix... I really have no idea what I'm doing. :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: esko997 on Sun, 01 June 2014, 19:20:39
I'm running 2x Nvidia GTX 560Ti's.

Essentially a monitor has been "unplugged" while the system was running and it's fallen back to TwinView instead of Xinerama (at least that's what it looks like). I'm a complete Linux newbie so there might have been a simple fix... I really have no idea what I'm doing. :p

Try using arandr (sudo apt-get install arandr). My monitors are also really derpy and this little GUI for xrandr works great for me
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Flamingchook on Sun, 01 June 2014, 19:30:54
I'll try that. Thanks!

Edit: arandr is a pretty cool little program, however it doesn't really fix my issue because the third monitor is still disabled and doesn't show up in arandr...

I have no idea what to do. Maybe I'll just reinstall.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: roaduck on Sun, 01 June 2014, 20:44:51
I somehow read that you were trying to upgrade from core2 to i5/i7, my mistake. I stand corrected.

E: £1300 netbook? Thought the point of netbooks was to be cheap and low-power. Most expensive netbook I recall ever seeing was $200 or so.



A friend has an all singing/all dancing Samsung with internal SSD etc...you can get really top-end netbooks...well over $2000.

As for my ASUS, I got it because it was solid, reliable and easy to upgrade; It can support Centrino dual-core all the way upto i7 2410 and beyond...obviously it`ll eat batteries like crazy then and the bios will have to be reconfigured or flashed...the option is there user 18.

One thing about `puters...I am always learning...you have to be very patient and have an open mind.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 01 June 2014, 21:08:41
I somehow read that you were trying to upgrade from core2 to i5/i7, my mistake. I stand corrected.

E: £1300 netbook? Thought the point of netbooks was to be cheap and low-power. Most expensive netbook I recall ever seeing was $200 or so.



A friend has an all singing/all dancing Samsung with internal SSD etc...you can get really top-end netbooks...well over $2000.

As for my ASUS, I got it because it was solid, reliable and easy to upgrade; It can support Centrino dual-core all the way upto i7 2410 and beyond...obviously it`ll eat batteries like crazy then and the bios will have to be reconfigured or flashed...the option is there user 18.

One thing about `puters...I am always learning...you have to be very patient and have an open mind.

I was confused because I thought you were upgrading from one architecture to another -- which would require different chipset and so on. If it's the same socket and chipset (Sandy to Sandy for that model #, I believe), it may be difficult but I don't see any technical reason it couldn't be done. Like I said, I stand corrected.

In terms of netbook, the paradigm is low cost, low power and small size at the expense of performance. An ultrabook is the evolution of a netbook, where modern CPU architectures allow increased performance in the same physical size and power envelope, albeit with higher cost.

It may be that the only difference is in terminology, and that's why we're misunderstanding each other, but that's no reason to talk down to me. It may not be intentional, but that's sure what it feels like.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Sun, 01 June 2014, 23:55:44
E: £1300 netbook? Thought the point of netbooks was to be cheap and low-power. Most expensive netbook I recall ever seeing was $200 or so.
A friend has an all singing/all dancing Samsung with internal SSD etc...you can get really top-end netbooks...well over $2000.
In terms of netbook, the paradigm is low cost, low power and small size at the expense of performance. An ultrabook is the evolution of a netbook, where modern CPU architectures allow increased performance in the same physical size and power envelope, albeit with higher cost.
I was also confused because of the terminology. As said Its a small ultrabook if it is in that price range. Netbooks mostly used intel atoms or processors that preformed similarly.

Wikipedia:
Quote
Netbooks are a category of small, lightweight, legacy-free, and inexpensive computers.
Hope this ends the misunderstanding of the word :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Kayla on Sun, 01 June 2014, 23:56:28
I use Arch and Debian. .-.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: bexleycorona on Mon, 02 June 2014, 00:59:44
I used to use Ubuntu then switched to Mint. Now I'm using Xubuntu on my laptop.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 02 June 2014, 01:14:44
Update on my Ubuntu server: Something's wrong with the boot disk. Badly wrong.

System doesn't know what 'ls', 'sudo', 'su' mean. 'cd' still works for whatever reason.

Drive was flaky to begin with, so perhaps I'll just try again with a better quality HDD.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Mon, 02 June 2014, 05:42:58
Update on my Ubuntu server: Something's wrong with the boot disk. Badly wrong.

System doesn't know what 'ls', 'sudo', 'su' mean. 'cd' still works for whatever reason.

Drive was flaky to begin with, so perhaps I'll just try again with a better quality HDD.
`ls`, `sudo` and `su` are all programs, which, in your case, seem to be on an inaccessible partition.

`cd` is a shell command and not a program.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Mon, 02 June 2014, 06:49:24
How is your /bin doing? try execute something in that folder.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 02 June 2014, 11:38:59
It's not that the partition is inaccessible, it's that it's getting physical read errors trying to find the programs. It won't even boot anymore. Going to boot from a liveusb and see what kind of errors I get on the drive.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Mon, 02 June 2014, 12:37:01
Yup sounds like a god idea. Let us know what the result of the hdd test was.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 02 June 2014, 12:41:43
Okay I officially have no idea what's going on anymore. Either I was tired and misinterpreting the errors I was getting (possible) or I have a magic box (significantly less possible).

No SMART errors on the drive, and it's booting just fine now. For lack of better ideas, going to stare at the terminal until something weird happens.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: linziyi on Mon, 02 June 2014, 19:12:45
Gentoo master race.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 02 June 2014, 19:25:23
Something weird happened. There's a problem with the driver for my raid card. Prepping a different drive for a new install so I can free up the mobo ports I need to use native linux software raid instead.

Sticking with Ubuntu Server 12.04.4 though. Was pretty happy with how it worked, aside from the instability attributed to the bad driver, and it's flexible enough.

Never use a Highpoint card with linux, guys. They don't work.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Tue, 03 June 2014, 00:05:29
Never used a highpoint before but the integrated solutions in my rack server has worked well (hp smart array on hp dl380 g4 and 580 g2).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 04 June 2014, 14:39:55
I've never used highpoint cards in a linux build -- they do however work great in Windows.

Supposedly, they do have linux support. From the site :

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We provide pre-compiled driver packages for several popular Linux distributions such as Red Hat, RH Enterprise, Fedora, SuSE. We also provide driver source code that can be used to build the driver on other Linux distributions, and kernel versions where a pre-compiled binary is not provided.
These drivers are posted on our website, under the support-BIOS+Driver update section for each host adapter product.

</clip>

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 04 June 2014, 15:25:35
I've never used highpoint cards in a linux build -- they do however work great in Windows.

Supposedly, they do have linux support. From the site :

<clip>

We provide pre-compiled driver packages for several popular Linux distributions such as Red Hat, RH Enterprise, Fedora, SuSE. We also provide driver source code that can be used to build the driver on other Linux distributions, and kernel versions where a pre-compiled binary is not provided.
These drivers are posted on our website, under the support-BIOS+Driver update section for each host adapter product.

</clip>

They have drivers all right. They have drivers for kernel versions 2.x, at least for all the cards I've seen. User-created patches exist for 3.x, but they aren't always completely stable. As far as I know, nobody's been able to get their administration tools working reliably under 3.x, even with patches.

I have no issue at all with highpoint's windows drivers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 04 June 2014, 15:53:25
I've never used highpoint cards in a linux build -- they do however work great in Windows.

Supposedly, they do have linux support. From the site :

<clip>

We provide pre-compiled driver packages for several popular Linux distributions such as Red Hat, RH Enterprise, Fedora, SuSE. We also provide driver source code that can be used to build the driver on other Linux distributions, and kernel versions where a pre-compiled binary is not provided.
These drivers are posted on our website, under the support-BIOS+Driver update section for each host adapter product.

</clip>

They have drivers all right. They have drivers for kernel versions 2.x, at least for all the cards I've seen. User-created patches exist for 3.x, but they aren't always completely stable. As far as I know, nobody's been able to get their administration tools working reliably under 3.x, even with patches.

I have no issue at all with highpoint's windows drivers.

I has a sad now. Thanks for the info
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jamesj223 on Sat, 14 June 2014, 09:28:01
I've been using Elementary OS on my laptop for about 6 months now. Absolutely loving it! It's a Dell XPS 13, everything working properly, no driver issues or anything. It's primarily for uni so it mainly gets used for web browsing, reading lecture slides and programming (anything from C to Python to Ruby to Haskell).

And I've got a Pi running pibang, set up as an automated TV/Movie torrent box. Not much to report on there really, everything more or less works.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: brainT on Sat, 14 June 2014, 21:32:57
I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far.  Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sat, 14 June 2014, 23:27:23
I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far.  Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!

Tell us how it goes.  :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: limecore on Sat, 14 June 2014, 23:48:29
I have used ubuntu, arch, lmde and have tried gentoo in a VM
I end up switching between lmde and Arch all the time now (arch until I break something, then LMDE until I get time to fix arch)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Sun, 15 June 2014, 08:15:31
I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far.  Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!
I've been using Antergos for a week or two now, and so far I like it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: brainT on Sun, 15 June 2014, 17:57:55
I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far.  Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!

Tell us how it goes.  :)

Going great so far but I'm sure I'll break something soon enough!  After I get more comfortable it I'll probably end up ditching Mint (Meh-int) on my other Thinkpad that I use for work. When that happens I'll probably do straight Arch on the x61 for the sake of learning the nuts and bolts of it all.

I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far.  Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!
I've been using Antergos for a week or two now, and so far I like it.

I found the graphical installer to be easy enough to use and the out of the box experience is really nice. It's very close to my "ideal" environment that it won't take too much time to tweak to my tastes which is good 'cause time/energy is at a premium for me right now! I like almost anything that forces me to learn and figure stuff out, and having the Arch wiki to draw on is just great.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Flamingchook on Thu, 19 June 2014, 02:07:14
I've fallen back to WIndows 8.1 full time on my desktop so  decided to install ElementaryOS on my laptop. It's pretty snazzy so far and I'm enjoying it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Laiin on Fri, 11 July 2014, 01:31:41
Currently on windows (school computer)
But i normally use Arch and after using it i just cant seem to go back to anything else and enjoy it.
I do have alot of old computer which relatives/friends give me with all the "top" flavours on them, although they are not being used.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Smasher816 on Fri, 11 July 2014, 11:12:39
But i normally use Arch and after using it i just cant seem to go back to anything else and enjoy it.

Agreed. Maybe I am insane but I actually think it is easier to work with then most distributions - especially with the wealth of information on the wiki. If anything breaks then I have an idea of what caused it and know what files to look around in. When using RHEL for a server at work I realized I had no idea how to make sure PHP and MySQL were correctly configured with their fancy GUI. Personally the more "fluff" they put on a system the harder it is to get to the root of the issue. Like I said, maybe I am just crazy :P
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RED-404 on Fri, 11 July 2014, 11:56:54
My server runs Arch Linux, according to my server host it runs Debian, but well a chroot, reinstall seems to have fixed that problem. :)
(http://red.dazoe.net/stuff/2014-07-11_11-37-30.png)
All my servers are named after demons.

Home
Desktop/HAF = Windows 8.1/Arch
Desktop2/Black Betty = Arch
Laptop/Space Heater = Arch
Chromebook/Meh = ChromeOS/Arch
Media PC/Perdy light box = Arch
Nas/Furcas = FreeBSD

Edit: Pointlessly added system names.
Edit2: I forgot about one I have an old P3 system in mineral oil running Gentoo overclocked to all hell doing nothing at all. The strangest thing about it, isn't the mineral oil or the Rubbermaid case or even sticking your hand in mineral oil to flip the switch on the PSU. It has VC150 memory not PC133.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Bencze on Sun, 27 July 2014, 06:53:35
Wow I found this topic and thought I want to update my current status.

I still have my Centos running on HP miroserver n36l under my desk. Since about 3 years.
I also have an Ubuntu 14.04, been actively using it since about 3 weeks! By far the longest I ever went with Linux desktop. My current gaming habits probably enabled it as well, since I've been playing xcom which has this native linux port now, also playing Openttd which runs great as well. Some other stuff with Wine but I don't play a lot these days.
I am more familiar with Redhat but choose Ubuntu because I was hoping it's most mature for desktop stuff and better Steam compatibility.
I think Linux desktop concept is getting better and better, if steamos thingy succeeds we might see more and more native linux ports for games which will help a lot. I like alternatives and bored of Windows so yey...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 27 July 2014, 07:02:32
Weird. I just got given Centos from a Unix course I was just on and I was thinking of getting rid of Win 7 on my laptop for Centos.

I quite liked moving around easily in the CLI, and I would just mess around when we weren't doing anything on the course.

Anybody got any tips for a relative newbie who has only had a 4 day Unix course to learn stuff?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Sun, 27 July 2014, 07:17:32
Weird. I just got given Centos from a Unix course I was just on and I was thinking of getting rid of Win 7 on my laptop for Centos.

I quite liked moving around easily in the CLI, and I would just mess around when we weren't doing anything on the course.

Anybody got any tips for a relative newbie who has only had a 4 day Unix course to learn stuff?

Best tip to learn??--Keep using the os!

By saying that, simply use the computer as you normally would. This will naturally introduce you to other elements of the environment. Things like printing, watching online media, and document editing are things most of us to expect it to 'just work'. Often in the Linux world, "just working" is a phrase that is not tossed around easily.

The above is not meant to be a discouragement. The beauty you'll find is in the journey of learning a system and configuring it how you like it. After enough use, you may not consider having it any other way :)

Each flavor (distro) has its own unique set of pros and con's.  Dive in!  :thumb:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 27 July 2014, 08:26:00
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: runcom on Sun, 27 July 2014, 09:12:29
At work and at home Ubuntu, when I'm around I usually carry a laptop with Kali Linux :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 27 July 2014, 10:07:35
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.

But you can watch movies in glorious ASCII format!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Sun, 27 July 2014, 14:52:07
I'm all about the LMDE, but I've used most majors and a new one offs. I have yet to try Gentoo, though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sun, 27 July 2014, 16:34:02
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.

Yes it does. Enter Winex...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Sun, 27 July 2014, 23:57:03
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.

Yes it does. Enter Winex...
Ok,then we have converted microsoft windows to linux. Who would have thought?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Mon, 28 July 2014, 00:02:17
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.

Yes it does. Enter Winex...
Ok,then we have converted microsoft windows to linux. Who would have thought?

Haha, can't hurt to try.  :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Mon, 28 July 2014, 00:39:49
If he starts to use linux he will run something weird like yggdrasil  or some other oboslete distro. :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 28 July 2014, 05:23:27
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.

Yes it does. Enter Winex...
I don't think that's what "natively" means.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 28 July 2014, 05:46:48
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.

Yes it does. Enter Winex...
I don't think that's what "natively" means.

Well, wine is just a compatibility library.

Technically you are linking a Windows executable with a library to provide graphics and sound services.  Instead of interfacing with the Windows kernel, it interfaces with the Linux kernel.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Mon, 28 July 2014, 08:23:04
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.

Yes it does. Enter Winex...
I don't think that's what "natively" means.

Hey its close enough. I was able to run windows programs on linux with Winex with better performance than on a windows install (using the same box). Because Winex does not have to run the whole windows stack, the programs actually have access to more resources than running the same program on windows natively.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Mon, 28 July 2014, 08:53:15
I was able to run windows programs on linux with Winex with better performance than on a windows install (using the same box).
i did the same.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 28 July 2014, 20:05:56
Blew away Linux Mint 15 from my old laptop and installed #! in its place. Love how simple it is. Wish it worked better with my wifi card.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Tue, 29 July 2014, 08:10:23
Blew away Linux Mint 15 from my old laptop and installed #! in its place. Love how simple it is. Wish it worked better with my wifi card.

420 posts...nice bro!

I have a personal hate against broadcom.... good luck :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Tue, 29 July 2014, 08:16:50
Any spesific reason for broadcom hate?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: caesar on Tue, 29 July 2014, 08:17:51
archlinux + fluxbox   my best setup
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Tue, 29 July 2014, 08:19:45
archlinux + fluxbox   my best setup

Nice, what do you run it on?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 29 July 2014, 09:33:09
Any spesific reason for broadcom hate?
Recently? No idea. But their proprietary drivers were pure evil ~5+ years ago.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Tue, 29 July 2014, 10:24:21
Any spesific reason for broadcom hate?
Recently? No idea. But their proprietary drivers were pure evil ~5+ years ago.
I see. yea propietary driver isnt much fun. But recently they been nice as you said. They even made the videocore IV graphics core used in rasberry pi open source.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 29 July 2014, 10:29:46
I haven't said anything about them being nice recently. I simply gave up on their hardware and went Intel everywhere¹ four years ago.

¹  except one AMD+Atheros desktop
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dante on Tue, 29 July 2014, 12:10:00
Specifically for users who love Arch: Any reasons you didn't use or left CrunchBang?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RED-404 on Tue, 29 July 2014, 13:04:41
I have used CrunchBang several times. I have random fits of distro-hopping and I do like what he did with CrunchBang but overall I still like to build my system.  I like fluxbox and blackbox and I am used to them so that wasn't the problem.  If you like CrunchBang you can give ArchBang Linux, Bridge Linux or BlackArch Linux a shot.

I like Arch for Pacman AUR and its just what I need it to be. You will probably find that many Arch users are former Gentoo users that just got sick of Portage or miss the guidance of our former benevolent dictator.

I also like Foresight Linux its not something I would use day to day, but I like messing with its strange package manager "Conary" it's still better than RPM and DEB.
Thanks for the reminder. I need to see about a updated version of bbLean for my Windows 8 box.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 29 July 2014, 13:38:44
Blew away Linux Mint 15 from my old laptop and installed #! in its place. Love how simple it is. Wish it worked better with my wifi card.

420 posts...nice bro!

I have a personal hate against broadcom.... good luck :D

Tell me about it. I got it working using the b43 driver...sort of. And because it's an HP laptop, I can't upgrade the wireless card to anything I like. They have a hard-coded whitelist in the bios, and it prevents booting if a wireless card that isn't on the list is installed. I might just give up and see if I can find a low-profile USB wireless dongle.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Tue, 29 July 2014, 19:05:52
Blew away Linux Mint 15 from my old laptop and installed #! in its place. Love how simple it is. Wish it worked better with my wifi card.

420 posts...nice bro!

I have a personal hate against broadcom.... good luck :D

Tell me about it. I got it working using the b43 driver...sort of. And because it's an HP laptop, I can't upgrade the wireless card to anything I like. They have a hard-coded whitelist in the bios, and it prevents booting if a wireless card that isn't on the list is installed. I might just give up and see if I can find a low-profile USB wireless dongle.

Some lenovo models also aggrivate with the whitelist shenanigans. Long live the wg511t  teehee
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ShawnMeg on Tue, 29 July 2014, 23:26:41
I like Puppy Linux.  It's the fastest OS, as it runs from RAM.  I'm using Lucid 5.2.8 (based on Ubuntu) on a 10 year old laptop, and it runs great.  I've also used Ubuntu 10.04 a couple years back on a Dell box, and I really liked it.

In the future, I would like to use Fatdog64 (a Puppy Linux distro, 64 bit) and Linux Lite.

My main computer is an HP box running Vista.  It runs great.

I'm interested in Chrome OS, and may get a Chromebook one of these days.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 July 2014, 23:42:58
I like Puppy Linux.  It's the fastest OS, as it runs from RAM.  I'm using Lucid 5.2.8 (based on Ubuntu) on a 10 year old laptop, and it runs great.  I've also used Ubuntu 10.04 a couple years back on a Dell box, and I really liked it.

In the future, I would like to use Fatdog64 (a Puppy Linux distro, 64 bit) and Linux Lite.

My main computer is an HP box running Vista.  It runs great.

I'm interested in Chrome OS, and may get a Chromebook one of these days.
So I'm not the only one who likes to run lightweight distros on ancient hardware? :)

Also, if you're interested in a Chromebook, you can pick up a refurb Acer C710 from Newegg for $119. I did just that about a month ago.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dante on Thu, 31 July 2014, 16:06:29
I think lately I've given up my keyboard addiction for distro addiction - I can certainly understand the "build your own" mindset as each distro has something it does very well.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Thu, 31 July 2014, 16:29:18
Chrome OS should be getting integration like iOS just announced in the near future, dock your phone and not have to look at it til your up from your Chromebook kinda function. I'm excited!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Thu, 31 July 2014, 16:30:35
Now I want to build a chromium os with the Chromebook interface, but desktop apps and wine and all. Not quite ready, but soon I will do this!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RED-404 on Thu, 31 July 2014, 17:19:04
I have a HP Chromebook 14 and for the money, it's not bad. I have not yet rooted it because the idea behind it is simply to have at least one system in my house that no one in my house including me can really mess up.
It's this one "not my pic"
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EXen1i0KL.jpg)
But yes, I frequently have to talk myself out of installing arch on it..  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ShawnMeg on Sat, 02 August 2014, 09:44:24
I like Puppy Linux.  It's the fastest OS, as it runs from RAM.  I'm using Lucid 5.2.8 (based on Ubuntu) on a 10 year old laptop, and it runs great.  I've also used Ubuntu 10.04 a couple years back on a Dell box, and I really liked it.

In the future, I would like to use Fatdog64 (a Puppy Linux distro, 64 bit) and Linux Lite.

My main computer is an HP box running Vista.  It runs great.

I'm interested in Chrome OS, and may get a Chromebook one of these days.
So I'm not the only one who likes to run lightweight distros on ancient hardware? :)

Also, if you're interested in a Chromebook, you can pick up a refurb Acer C710 from Newegg for $119. I did just that about a month ago.

Yes, there's something satisfying about being able to keep old hardware running with lightweight software like Puppy.  Just in the last week though, my hard drive appears to be failing in old laptop.

My HP box was bought used for about $50.  The seller thought the hard drive was going bad, but it was really that the OS got corrupted.  A simple reloading of the OS from the recovery partition got it working again.  It has an AMD Dual Core plus 750 GB of storage, which I barely use.  Vista flies on this and runs generally like butter.  I'm not completely happy with video playback as it will stutter if I have a bunch of browser tabs open.

I've had my eye on a C720.  That can be loaded with Ubuntu and Fatdog64.  I tried an HP 14" Chromebook at Sam's Club, and from the brief interaction, it was quite nice.  It's not quite in my budget yet, but one of these days, I would like to get a Chromebook.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:30:27
Why has no one told me about the new window managers out there? Some sexy things! I set up an Arch install with LXDE for now, thinking of trying out Awesome WM.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Mon, 04 August 2014, 07:12:05
Why has no one told me about the new window managers out there? Some sexy things! I set up an Arch install with LXDE for now, thinking of trying out Awesome WM.
i3 seems to become popular recently.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pcandkbguy on Mon, 04 August 2014, 07:22:15
i find linux deplorable for everyday use, only ever run it iin vm when developing
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Mon, 04 August 2014, 11:42:34
I'm certain if you took your time to tweak your Linux, you'd find it elating. That being said, 'it just works' works for most. But apparently not for Geekhack. You, sir, need to tweak your Linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Kraksx on Tue, 05 August 2014, 12:01:21
I'm certain if you took your time to tweak your Linux, you'd find it elating. That being said, 'it just works' works for most. But apparently not for Geekhack. You, sir, need to tweak your Linux.

I agree, like a keyboard Linux must be made into your own OS for it to be truly awesome
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 06 August 2014, 02:17:50
okay, after a ****shower with ubuntu 12.04 -- 14.04 i installed mint (with cinnamon) and it works. i don't need much besides "it works".
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: StylinGreymon on Wed, 06 August 2014, 02:30:07
I miss WMFS.
I just needed a few more options, and it would've been sweet.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 06 August 2014, 02:36:55
okay, after a ****shower with ubuntu 12.04 -- 14.04 i installed mint (with cinnamon) and it works. i don't need much besides "it works".

Welcome to my favourite distro. I use it everywhere that cinnamon isn't too heavy for.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 06 August 2014, 07:48:40
well, it's a temporary measure (because i need a working machine right here right now). i am tired of **** and want a normal distro that will work for years. mint is not one of these as it's based on ubuntu. i tried crunchbang but it won't even boot on my laptop.

and there's no way that systemd crap will be installed on any hardware i own.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 06 August 2014, 08:39:56
i am tired of **** and want a normal distro that will work for years.

Debian
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 06 August 2014, 08:40:43
...or Slackware...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 06 August 2014, 08:55:45
...or Slackware...

slackware 4tw. I don't expect systemd to ever get into bed with slack
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Wed, 06 August 2014, 13:52:29
Systemd is bothersome? I'm just beginning my foray into Arch. Warn me now!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RED-404 on Wed, 06 August 2014, 14:14:08
For the most part Systemd is better it just has a learning curve and I'm still not the biggest fan of how configuration is handled it seems a little needlessly convoluted.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 06 August 2014, 14:30:10
okay, after a ****shower with ubuntu 12.04 -- 14.04 i installed mint (with cinnamon) and it works. i don't need much besides "it works".

Welcome to my favourite distro. I use it everywhere that cinnamon isn't too heavy for.

Mint eh? I bought a Linux magazine on a whim today and it came with Mint... I think... I'm thinking of installing it over the top of Win 7 on my laptop tomorrow.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 06 August 2014, 16:13:51
i am tired of **** and want a normal distro that will work for years.

Debian
has systemd in wheezy.

...or Slackware...
slackware 4tw. I don't expect systemd to ever get into bed with slack
fokk yea! years ago i had a slackware system with "slacko is iri's love" on the desktop. i may consider using it again.

also, a colleague offered me gentoo
DISCUSS
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Wed, 06 August 2014, 18:09:07
I mean... I think I'm fine with Arch. I need a working system too muchly. I haven't had much issue with systemd
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 06 August 2014, 18:21:46
i am tired of **** and want a normal distro that will work for years.

Debian
has systemd in wheezy.

...or Slackware...
slackware 4tw. I don't expect systemd to ever get into bed with slack
fokk yea! years ago i had a slackware system with "slacko is iri's love" on the desktop. i may consider using it again.

also, a colleague offered me gentoo
DISCUSS

Gentoo will def get you a non systemd environment

A tweaker's heaven offering complete control over your build

Haven't dove in there yet as I like to dedicate a good amount of time learning--a luxury for me currently :d

the BSD family is also an option
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RED-404 on Wed, 06 August 2014, 19:12:33
Meh the Gentoo foundation killed Gentoo years ago. [Citation Needed]
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 06 August 2014, 20:41:41
Familiarity of the "gentoo way" is the main drive behind my quest. If Chromebooks ever become popular, knowing the backbone is a plus. Also adding some good info to the noggin while at it
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Wed, 06 August 2014, 21:16:10
Chromebooks are amazing man. For my internet needs it's perfect. Everything but work things are available for my use.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 07 August 2014, 01:33:43
Meh the Gentoo foundation killed Gentoo years ago. [Citation Needed]
-daniel robbins
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Crazyhendrix on Thu, 07 August 2014, 02:52:02
Debian. Running a minimal install on a 6 year old Asus eeepc 900. Primarily for distraction free writing in Vim. No pictures or videos of internet kittens.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hjkl_over_wasd on Thu, 07 August 2014, 14:43:32
Debian. Running a minimal install on a 6 year old Asus eeepc 900. Primarily for distraction free writing in Vim. No pictures or videos of internet kittens.

Sounds like a good idea until you run :make .. ?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: G-Dubs on Thu, 07 August 2014, 18:30:32
Using Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS for work and LMDE on my laptop. I'm using vanilla Debian in a VM to run through the edX Linux course.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Crazyhendrix on Fri, 08 August 2014, 01:58:22
Debian. Running a minimal install on a 6 year old Asus eeepc 900. Primarily for distraction free writing in Vim. No pictures or videos of internet kittens.

Sounds like a good idea until you run :make .. ?

:make what? markdown text files? :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Fri, 08 August 2014, 05:55:53
on systemd:

http://wizardofbits.tumblr.com/post/45232318557/systemd-more-like-****-stemd
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/169082
http://ewontfix.com/14/
http://ewontfix.com/15/
http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2013-10.html#e2013-10-29T13_39_32.txt

more links here:
http://boycottsystemd.org/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hjkl_over_wasd on Fri, 08 August 2014, 11:15:07
Using Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS for work and LMDE on my laptop. I'm using vanilla Debian in a VM to run through the edX Linux course.

Nice. Do you run Xorg? If so, you should perhaps try out the zathura pdf reader. I really like it for it's vim bindings and autoreloading whenever the file pdf file gets updated.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Fri, 08 August 2014, 13:07:52
kali user reporting in
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: G-Dubs on Fri, 08 August 2014, 14:31:14
Using Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS for work and LMDE on my laptop. I'm using vanilla Debian in a VM to run through the edX Linux course.

Nice. Do you run Xorg? If so, you should perhaps try out the zathura pdf reader. I really like it for it's vim bindings and autoreloading whenever the file pdf file gets updated.

Yes, I do. Thanks for the tip. I'll definitely take a look. I've been trying to transition over to using Linux as my primary desktop OS, but the move has been slow.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Fri, 08 August 2014, 16:44:14
on systemd:

http://wizardofbits.tumblr.com/post/45232318557/systemd-more-like-****-stemd
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/169082
http://ewontfix.com/14/
http://ewontfix.com/15/
http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2013-10.html#e2013-10-29T13_39_32.txt

more links here:
http://boycottsystemd.org/

That was very illuminating, thank you.
I think for the next little while I'm going to run Arch though, since it's up and running. See where the world sits on Linux when I do an upgrade on my rig!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hjkl_over_wasd on Sat, 09 August 2014, 01:18:48
For anyone slack-curious:
http://www.reddit.com/r/slackware/comments/2cujr6/what_specifically_distinguishes_slackware_from/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 11 August 2014, 16:51:59
Brace yourselves, Lennart h8ers are coming!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ljfkidd on Wed, 13 August 2014, 15:16:16
Main desktop dualboot with windows (for gaming) and arch, also have a laptop running kali linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vimx on Sun, 17 August 2014, 07:38:59
I started on Slackware 3.0, installed from dozens of 1.44 floppies! For a while, it was Debian on servers and Ubuntu on laptops.  Now I am all about RPM, with Fedora on personal machines and Red Hat Enterprise Linux / CentOS on work systems.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vimx on Sun, 17 August 2014, 08:12:43
Gentoo? psssshhh....

Show Image
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)


Lol, great strip. In all seriousness though, vim masterrace reporting in.

Vim fan here.   I've been "shaving the yak" this last week, improving my .vimrc file.  I was mapping my F-keys, but changed to mapping comma as my Leader key.  Good stuff.  I also wrote a 256 color scheme for vim, inspired by the default monokai color scheme in Sublime Text.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: caesar on Sun, 17 August 2014, 08:22:12
archlinux + fluxbox   my best setup

Nice, what do you run it on?

I used it like a desktop. For servers prefer debian or centos.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sun, 17 August 2014, 10:21:56
oh, i also switched from vim to emacs. because emacs is better.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vimx on Sun, 17 August 2014, 12:01:10
I used to be an emacs, now I'm a vim.  At least you're not a nano!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blackbox on Sun, 17 August 2014, 12:57:48
I use nano, U mad? Well I just use it because it gets what I want to be done and I haven't bothered learning vim or emacs.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Sun, 17 August 2014, 13:25:42
http://xkcd.com/378/ (http://xkcd.com/378/) comes to mind
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RED-404 on Sun, 17 August 2014, 14:26:00
Yeah, I'm just going to stay in the corner and use mcedit or jed or whatever is on the P.o.S. I have to fix at the time. Have fun with your editor war.

If I actually have to sit down and write something custom I tend to use Sublime Text but I can use whatever.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Mon, 18 August 2014, 02:10:57
http://xkcd.com/378/ (http://xkcd.com/378/) comes to mind
yeah.

two commands that i use the most daily:
Code: [Select]
M-x post-on-geekhack
Code: [Select]
M-x make-me-some-oolong
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vimx on Mon, 18 August 2014, 06:09:07
I use nano, U mad? Well I just use it because it gets what I want to be done and I haven't bothered learning vim or emacs.
Mad?  No.  I feel... pity.  May you someday know the joy of coding in a proper editor.  Peace be with you.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: hjkl_over_wasd on Mon, 18 August 2014, 15:28:44
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vimx on Mon, 18 August 2014, 19:10:53
I run dd-wrt on my wireless routers.  Does that count as a distro?

Also, have you guys experienced the awesomeness of virtualbox, vagrant and packer?  Any linux container docker fans ?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Mon, 18 August 2014, 19:32:11
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.
This is a method with which to retort that never seems anachronistic.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Mon, 18 August 2014, 23:49:33
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.
Oh, you are young, I see.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Mon, 18 August 2014, 23:59:15
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.
Oh, you are young, I see.

I once mused to myself at people who didn't want a fancy GUI editor to do things, I thought they were intimidated. I know now that they aren't the ones who were misguided.

It was me who was!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 19 August 2014, 07:09:51
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.
Oh, you are young, I see.

I once mused to myself at people who didn't want a fancy GUI editor to do things, I thought they were intimidated. I know now that they aren't the ones who were misguided.

It was me who was!
fancy gui, you say? hehehe.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 07:16:01
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.
Oh, you are young, I see.

I once mused to myself at people who didn't want a fancy GUI editor to do things, I thought they were intimidated. I know now that they aren't the ones who were misguided.

It was me who was!
fancy gui, you say? hehehe.

(Attachment Link)

Iri,

Do you work for a company called DataArt in St. Petersburg?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 19 August 2014, 09:14:33
i can neither confirm nor deny that

why are you asking?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 09:17:31
PM'd! :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 21 August 2014, 05:32:14
Home: Debian on the media center/HP thin client and on Raspberry PI, Slackware on my old laptop, Solaris 11 for my NAS/Filer and running Zones for web and other stuff like that, Solaris 10 on a vintage Ultra 10 machine just because I can :D
Work: Windows7 because I don't have other options, but I have a VM running Slackware ;)
Editor: Vim  :cool: I even ran a GB for that :P
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: CSCoder4ever on Mon, 01 September 2014, 21:59:30
Running Crunchbang on my primary machine, Arch on my laptop, Slackware on my secondary desktop and I use Arch on my servers  >:D
Editor: Emacs since... well... Emacs.  :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hundrakia on Mon, 01 September 2014, 23:02:02
I should try emacs.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 02 September 2014, 02:31:42
Editor: Emacs since... well... Emacs.  :p
since 1976?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: CSCoder4ever on Tue, 02 September 2014, 07:42:28
Editor: Emacs since... well... Emacs.  :p
since 1976?

I haven't been alive THAT Long  :))
Title: What linux distro do you use?
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:31:44
Curious on what everyone uses on here.

Personally I'm just trying out arch at the moment, and thus far, I really like it. I'm still in the midst of tweaking it a bit.

I've tried, Mint, Ubuntu & finally arch.

I'm really becoming better at using the command line thanks to arch forcing me too.   :p
Title: Re: What linux distro do you use?
Post by: NoblesseOblige on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:52:03
I use CentOS as a virtual host. Only distro I use currently.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 March 2015, 09:28:10
I dabbled with Ubuntu for about 5 years starting about 2009, and have been using openSUSE since late last year, although the majority of my time is still spent in Windows 7.
 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Dihedral on Fri, 27 March 2015, 09:28:42
Ubuntu and Win 8.1 dual boot on my Main PC
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 27 March 2015, 09:30:55
Arch on my desktop as well as my servers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dante on Fri, 27 March 2015, 12:56:55
I think Mint Xfce is my end game OS.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: lagscout on Fri, 27 March 2015, 13:21:02
I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.

Haven't used funtoo in a while. It took a lot of time to set up but I feel like I learned a lot.

Currently using Arch. Been using Gnome instead of a tiling wm because I feel like I spend less time ricing and more time actually doing stuff.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 27 March 2015, 13:21:24
I think Mint Xfce is my end game OS.
Rolling Release is the endgame! :cool:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: animal on Fri, 27 March 2015, 17:53:14
Been using Debian since 2000 along with Windows XP (multiple pcs) until 2008. After that plain Debian with Xfce. After all this systemd stuff I'm thinking about trying out a BSD if Devuan isn't mature enough when I upgrade.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Fri, 27 March 2015, 20:30:53
CentOS and Ubuntu without X installed. I am always working on servers without a UI.

Pretty comfortable with most *nix distros. Want to spend some more time with arch when I have some time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: SL89 on Fri, 27 March 2015, 20:45:46
Debian on my server

#! on my laptop

Chrubuntu on my chromebook

lots of android if it counts

and im itching to try the new Kubuntu when the next version of Plasma is rolled into it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 00:03:46
#! Waldorf on my laptop

Debian Jessie on a testing box

Linux Mint 16 on my desktop (hopefully not for much longer)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Altis on Sat, 28 March 2015, 02:14:48
Using Puppy Linux from USB at work sometimes. It's incredibly lightweight.

Tried using Mint 17 Cinnamon recently but was pretty disappointed with its performance. Also, couldn't get wifi to work on my (older) Dell laptop, or display drivers to work properly on my newer desktop.

Not sure what to try next as I really thought Mint would be the one. Just looking to do some programming and learn the platform. Perhaps Debian.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 28 March 2015, 05:01:49
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).

Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.

I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.
A year later and I've completely abandoned Fedora, because the project apparently puts more focus into politically correct rubbish than solving actual technical issues. I prefer a working system to a system developed with contributions from elderly African American transgender lesbians—at the risk of being eaten alive by certain redhatters. For example, my webcam has gone from partially usable to unusable in three releases; surprisingly, that's one of the things that currently actually work perfectly in Ubuntu derivatives.

I'm only a bit worried about the development cycle of Kubuntu. Sitting on LTS means I'm sometimes stuck with outdated software, while the upstream actually solves issues (the case of my webcam). OTOH, latest and greatest releases bring other kinds of issues (such as broken default configuration for serial Wacom digitizers, that prohibits them from being detected correctly, or rather at all). Unfortunately, Debian (a) doesn't even have PPAs with the latest upstream software, and (b) downstream isn't any better.

In particular, I'm on the fence about 15.04. I wouldn't have to compile Emacs 24.4 by myself (yay), but I'm still wary of the "KDE 5". Not because I expect a KDE4-like "disaster", but I have a very specific workflow that makes use of some of the weirdest settings in KWin, and some of them may not be implemented… yet?

There's still Gentoo/Funtoo/whatever in the air, but I talked to some power users in autumn, and they hated on software written Haskell, because it's supposedly a PITA to compile and/or manage. That might be a deal breaker for me, because I tend to use quite a lot of data-processing tools in all sorts of very high-level languages.

/rant
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Altis on Sat, 28 March 2015, 12:21:33
I might try ChaletOS as it looks very well done and is highly spoken of.

If it doesn't work out, maybe I'll give Elementary OS another try since I last used the previous release "Luna". "Freya" looks like an improvement.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Dihedral on Sat, 28 March 2015, 12:27:19
I might try ChaletOS as it looks very well done and is highly spoken of.

If it doesn't work out, maybe I'll give Elementary OS another try since I last used the previous release "Luna". "Freya" looks like an improvement.

They both look like nice OSes, but I'd be worried about the actual support and raw power. Would be interested to hear your opinions on them however.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Altis on Sat, 28 March 2015, 12:31:12
I might try ChaletOS as it looks very well done and is highly spoken of.

If it doesn't work out, maybe I'll give Elementary OS another try since I last used the previous release "Luna". "Freya" looks like an improvement.

They both look like nice OSes, but I'd be worried about the actual support and raw power. Would be interested to hear your opinions on them however.

I'll report back after some use of each. Elementary Luna was quite nice and worked well, though I mostly used it for pretty basic stuff. Pretty easy to use and lots available for it as it has the Ubuntu software manager.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 28 March 2015, 14:41:22
Yay, finally got my sound working on arch. I have no idea what I did, but it works now. Everything is working smoothly for now.  ^-^
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Dihedral on Sun, 29 March 2015, 01:19:49
Yay, finally got my sound working on arch. I have no idea what I did, but it works now. Everything is working smoothly for now.  ^-^

That pretty much sums up linux :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 29 March 2015, 01:22:23
Yay, finally got my sound working on arch. I have no idea what I did, but it works now. Everything is working smoothly for now.  ^-^

That pretty much sums up linux :)

It's come a long way since the days of having to create your x86 configuration file by hand, cross-referencing the monitor specifications to ensure you had the right refresh rate and stuff.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dimamantra on Sun, 29 March 2015, 13:18:27
14.04 server!
 :p

Anyone play with elementaryOS on desktop? Seem pretty nice.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Altis on Sun, 29 March 2015, 13:53:40
14.04 server!
 :p

Anyone play with elementaryOS on desktop? Seem pretty nice.

Yes, it's very nice indeed. I think I'm partial to ChaletOS right now as it's even nicer yet... extremely well done.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dimamantra on Sun, 29 March 2015, 15:37:44
14.04 server!
 :p

Anyone play with elementaryOS on desktop? Seem pretty nice.

Yes, it's very nice indeed. I think I'm partial to ChaletOS right now as it's even nicer yet... extremely well done.

I'll have to check that one out. Never heard of it.

Thanks friend!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Bromono on Sun, 29 March 2015, 16:11:50
I work so many flavors of Unix and Linux... On a daily basis I will touch Solaris 9 & 10, true 64 unix, open VMS, Redhat,... List goes on..
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tbc on Sun, 29 March 2015, 18:14:04
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).

Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.

I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.
A year later and I've completely abandoned Fedora, because the project apparently puts more focus into politically correct rubbish than solving actual technical issues. I prefer a working system to a system developed with contributions from elderly African American transgender lesbians—at the risk of being eaten alive by certain redhatters. For example, my webcam has gone from partially usable to unusable in three releases; surprisingly, that's one of the things that currently actually work perfectly in Ubuntu derivatives.

I'm only a bit worried about the development cycle of Kubuntu. Sitting on LTS means I'm sometimes stuck with outdated software, while the upstream actually solves issues (the case of my webcam). OTOH, latest and greatest releases bring other kinds of issues (such as broken default configuration for serial Wacom digitizers, that prohibits them from being detected correctly, or rather at all). Unfortunately, Debian (a) doesn't even have PPAs with the latest upstream software, and (b) downstream isn't any better.

In particular, I'm on the fence about 15.04. I wouldn't have to compile Emacs 24.4 by myself (yay), but I'm still wary of the "KDE 5". Not because I expect a KDE4-like "disaster", but I have a very specific workflow that makes use of some of the weirdest settings in KWin, and some of them may not be implemented… yet?

There's still Gentoo/Funtoo/whatever in the air, but I talked to some power users in autumn, and they hated on software written Haskell, because it's supposedly a PITA to compile and/or manage. That might be a deal breaker for me, because I tend to use quite a lot of data-processing tools in all sorts of very high-level languages.

/rant

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Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Altis on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:04:41
14.04 server!
 :p

Anyone play with elementaryOS on desktop? Seem pretty nice.

Yes, it's very nice indeed. I think I'm partial to ChaletOS right now as it's even nicer yet... extremely well done.

Just a quick update after spending some time with both Elementary Freya and ChaletOS:

They are both top-notch distros and some of the best looking I've ever seen. They are both based on Ubuntu, so they have that in common and have lots of software available through their software managers. They both install in similar fashions and ran without a hitch.

The only issue I had was with both of them (and any Ubuntu-based Linux, including Mint) was getting them to display native resolutions 1080p and 1440p. It required a few extra commands as it wouldn't do it on its own (I used 'xrandr' commands). I think it's to do with my video card.

ElementaryOS is strikingly similar to OS X, while ChaletOS is extremely similar to Windows 8/10. You can actually customize Chalet to use the same icons and such.

I have no idea how I'll pick just one or the other yet as they both are just that pleasant to use.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Tue, 31 March 2015, 10:46:36
arch linux on my non-gaming rig. it is just aesthetically and functionally perfect for me. amazing community as well, many of the applications I use were developed by fellow/former archers (bspwm, sxiv, setroot, etc.)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Mon, 06 April 2015, 23:12:05
Yay, finally got my sound working on arch. I have no idea what I did, but it works now. Everything is working smoothly for now.  ^-^

That pretty much sums up linux :)

It's come a long way since the days of having to create your x86 configuration file by hand, cross-referencing the monitor specifications to ensure you had the right refresh rate and stuff.
Haha. Ya, the good old days. I was pretty comfortable with those configure and reboot with fingers crossed scenarios. :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: lulu on Thu, 09 April 2015, 04:26:12
I'm using Lubuntu and i'm loving it.  :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Fri, 10 April 2015, 15:18:57
Archer here!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Fri, 10 April 2015, 15:24:09
Archer here!

awwww yeeeaaahhhh  ;D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Sat, 18 April 2015, 00:55:16
I've been using Archlinux for a dang long time, but spent an extended time never upgrading during which the entire distro moved to systemd. While I can pretty much ignore arch-installed services. The stuff I do has me writing init scripts and three years on. Unit files are still a massive struggle to write.

I've been contemplating the move to voidlinux (http://voidlinux.eu) but have had trouble with dracut, the initrd creator for void that is preventing me from getting a reliable system.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 18 April 2015, 01:37:06


I've been using Archlinux for a dang long time, but spent an extended time never upgrading during which the entire distro moved to systemd. While I can pretty much ignore arch-installed services. The stuff I do has me writing init scripts and three years on. Unit files are still a massive struggle to write.

Hmm, what types of services are you running? For all the custom unit files I had to write it was fairly easy to do. The options are well documented in the man pages.

It feels better to me than writing shell scripts.

What makes you hesitant?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 18 April 2015, 22:42:42
I've been needing something with more up to date software available in its standard package manager than CentOS (which is based on Red Hat - good for longevity, but at the price of very old packages).

I tried Arch again (this is all in VMs btw), but systemd got in the way of configuring it too much, and it just felt fragile.  Although it did have all the new packages that I needed.

So I switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed.  So far so good - I used SuSE back in the day, and it hasn't changed that much.  KDE has gone really weird though, ot maybe I've been using GNOME for too long.  So I reinstalled with GNOME instead of KDE as the window manager, and that stupid thing wouldn't start the GUI.  I fiddled around with that for a couple of hours to no avail.  Then I reinstalled again with XFCE.  So far so good ...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Sun, 19 April 2015, 13:22:33
Archer here!

awwww yeeeaaahhhh  ;D
*pacman smiley*
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sun, 19 April 2015, 16:55:32
considering gentoo vs funtoo for my work macbook.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 22 April 2015, 19:25:54

So I switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed. 
So far so good - I used SuSE back in the day, and it hasn't changed that much.
KDE has gone really weird though, ot maybe I've been using GNOME for too long.


I am just really burned out on the Micro$oft/Adobe/etc ecosystem and want to phase myself into an alternate FOSS universe.

That will take a while and/or until I retire because the business world is so locked in.

I dabbled with Ubuntu/Gnome for about 5 years but got pretty well alienated by Canonical as well.

Recently, I rebuilt my computer in a dual-boot Windows 7 /openSUSE 13.2/KDE configuration and it has not been an easy learning curve for an old man.

The openSUSE forum is far from "welcoming" but since that seems to be the predominant choice for the server universe, I feel that it may be safe and secure for the foreseeable future. So I decided to bite the bullet and try to learn something new.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: alexofthewest on Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:11:29
From a long time windows user that is curious about linux i wonder, what are the benefits of using linux for someone that knows zero programming (if any)?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:25:08
From a long time windows user that is curious about linux i wonder, what are the benefits of using linux for someone that knows zero programming (if any)?

self-improvement.

more serious answer: it's kind of like buying keyboards vs. building and modding your own (i'm a bit of hypocrite here, i haven't really started modding much, but i will be!). with (certain distributions of) linux you have more control of your system and you understand what is going on with it. windows (and mac even worse) is like a black box, and to really dig deep into it you gotta go through this mess of crap (think: editing the registry). i can go on and on with analogies, but at the end of the day, for me, the benefits of learning linux entails gaining a deeper understanding of how your operating system really works.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:44:15
For me, all of that is secondary. Understanding how things work is nice and all, but I really just wanted something that wasn't being pushed by a corporation. This rules out windows, mac and Ubuntu.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: alexofthewest on Wed, 22 April 2015, 23:40:15
hmmm. i was hoping there would be more of an incentive from switching from windows. perhapse a speed boost or a massive customizability to balance out the massive incompatibilities of various programs that are designed for windows.  I suppose I can understand the want to get away from microsoft, bill gates is pretty evil (especialy common core he pioneered...) but ideology isnt a reason for me to change from one program to another, I want to switch, but I need a concrete benefit to do so.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Thu, 23 April 2015, 01:11:06
massive customizability

You can change whatever you want, i would call that massive customizability :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 23 April 2015, 03:06:26
hmmm. i was hoping there would be more of an incentive from switching from windows. perhapse a speed boost or a massive customizability to balance out the massive incompatibilities of various programs that are designed for windows.  I suppose I can understand the want to get away from microsoft, bill gates is pretty evil (especialy common core he pioneered...) but ideology isnt a reason for me to change from one program to another, I want to switch, but I need a concrete benefit to do so.
Check out nixers.net and its Unix screenshots thread. It's what got me into Linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 23 April 2015, 07:48:22

So I switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed. 
So far so good - I used SuSE back in the day, and it hasn't changed that much.
KDE has gone really weird though, ot maybe I've been using GNOME for too long.


I am just really burned out on the Micro$oft/Adobe/etc ecosystem and want to phase myself into an alternate FOSS universe.

That will take a while and/or until I retire because the business world is so locked in.

I dabbled with Ubuntu/Gnome for about 5 years but got pretty well alienated by Canonical as well.

Recently, I rebuilt my computer in a dual-boot Windows 7 /openSUSE 13.2/KDE configuration and it has not been an easy learning curve for an old man.

The openSUSE forum is far from "welcoming" but since that seems to be the predominant choice for the server universe, I feel that it may be safe and secure for the foreseeable future. So I decided to bite the bullet and try to learn something new.
I find Linux Mint Cinnamon very user friendly.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Wed, 29 April 2015, 20:51:28
From a long time windows user that is curious about linux i wonder, what are the benefits of using linux for someone that knows zero programming (if any)?
No programming needed. Batteries are included now days.

The benefit is that you no longer have to use winblows. :)

Personally, I never felt comfortable in windows, Linux seemed more sane to me.  I like being in control of stuff if it is bothering me. I can basically make Linux do whatever I want it to. Windows just feels slow and unwelcoming to me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 21:41:03
Windows feels more bloated to me than anything. I have a (mostly) functional Debian Jessie build running openbox, with a web browser, mail client, full office suite, a bunch of assorted tools, and I'm at less than 8GB disk space used total (almost half of which is used by dropbox for sync). A 64-bit windows install is easily six or more times that.

Another nice thing about linux is pretty much everything is available as text if you know where to look and how to interpret it. I was playing with my audio stack trying to get smooth switching between my speakers and USB headset and I was able to dump a listing of all my audio devices and channels into a text document. Makes figuring out what's going on and modifying as necessary much easier.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: steve.v on Wed, 29 April 2015, 21:45:59
Elementary OS
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 30 April 2015, 05:52:14
I have become disillusioned with openSUSE, and switches to Debian 8 (Jessie).  So far so good, in fact I have been able to migrate everything from my CentOS development VM to Debian.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 30 April 2015, 06:15:46
I have become disillusioned with openSUSE, and switches to Debian 8 (Jessie).  So far so good,

Why are you disillusioned with openSUSE?

I have been slowly working my way into it, since deciding that the preferred server platform OS was most likely to stay alive and up-to-date.

True, the forum is pretty arrogant and hostile, by and large, but that is almost to be expected. There were a handful of people there who were kind and generous in getting me started.

And I am pleased with KDE overall, in preference to Gnome, although YaST is still somewhat inscrutable.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 30 April 2015, 06:19:49
I have become disillusioned with openSUSE, and switches to Debian 8 (Jessie).  So far so good,

Why are you disillusioned with openSUSE?

I have been slowly working my way into it, since deciding that the preferred server platform OS was most likely to stay alive and up-to-date.

True, the forum is pretty arrogant and hostile, by and large, but that is almost to be expected. There were a handful of people there who were kind and generous in getting me started.

And I am pleased with KDE overall, in preference to Gnome, although YaST is still somewhat inscrutable.

1555 updates (> 800MB) a day kinda put me off.  Yes Tumbleweed or whatever it is called is supposed to be a rolling release, but that's ludicrous!  I acn't spend half the day installing updates.

Plus the default KDE is weird.  I've been away from KDE for too long and I could not become accustomed to the layout and functionality now in a short period of time.

Gnome version did not work (wouldn't boot properly after two fresh installs), so I went with XFCE.

Oh, and YaST is as bad as it always was.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 30 April 2015, 06:37:26
1555 updates (> 800MB) a day kinda put me off.  Yes Tumbleweed or whatever it is called is supposed to be a rolling release, but that's ludicrous!  I acn't spend half the day installing updates.
It isn't as bad in my experience. I run updates every sunday and never had a problem with it on Arch. I would do a weekly update with any distro actually. Unless you have to conserve bandwidth, because it's usually like 300-700MB with 900 installed packages.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 30 April 2015, 06:47:51
Is OpenSUSE the preferred server platform of the Internet nowadays? I thought it was still split evenly between Microsoft and BSD?

Most virtual server offerings I find offer either CentOS or Ubuntu now. I've always used Ubuntu, so I'm more familiar with the command line of that system, using Apt for package management, sudo for root tasks, etc.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 30 April 2015, 08:39:15
Maybe I should re-think my decision.

What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.

Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.

I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.

People really seem to like Mint.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 30 April 2015, 09:04:54
Maybe I should re-think my decision.

What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.

Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.

I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.

People really seem to like Mint.


I've used Ubuntu since 5.04, and I love it. I don't mind Unity, but I prefer classic GNOME or XFCE as my desktop. I don't have a problem with a corporate-driven distro, philosophically. And some of Canonical's innovations are being included in the latest Debian releases (see: LightDM).

I recently purchased a refurbished PC without an OS, and attempted to install Debian. The default installation didn't pick up the correct resolution of my monitors. :(   So I wiped it and installed Ubuntu. Everything is happy. I added the GNOME Flashback desktop, and everything I need is running along smoothly. Sometimes I install Xubuntu, just because I like the XFCE desktop, but either one is great.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 30 April 2015, 10:32:46


Maybe I should re-think my decision.

What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.

Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.

I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.

People really seem to like Mint.

Debian is built for stability. Haven't used it personally but that is what it is known for. I'd stay away from Arch if you want things to not break, unless you like fixing things and losing hair like I do.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Thu, 30 April 2015, 13:11:46
ive been changing alot thorugh the years but i i think this is how it goes:

Debian -> Ubuntu -> Slackware -> Ubuntu -> Debian -> Gentoo -> Arch

Gentoo takes to much effort to keep as desktop and too many circular dependencies. Thats why i went to try Arch, that and the awesome wiki. Cant compare it to any other distro.
Mint is for lazy ppl, they just make a fresh install and say oooh its looks nice. Then be happy with it.
Cant complain on debian, but i never got "stuck".
And ubuntu.... The upgrades going from one version to another, drove me nuts! Dont know if they have changed it now, have not used it since around 4 i guess.

Have always stuck to the same window manager though OpenBox with XFACE(xfce) or Gnome.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 30 April 2015, 17:44:06
Maybe I should re-think my decision.

What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.

Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.

I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.

People really seem to like Mint.

I also lost faith with Ubuntu - silly arguments over window control positions, proprietary utilities, very short support time, an apparent growing lack of community support.

I was using CentOS as my development OS in a virtual machine, nothing wrong with it at all.  Well supported, long support (much longer than Ubuntu).  The only downside is that packages are necessarily old and not updated frequently, which is fine if you just want a stable well-supported system, but unfortunately I had an increasing need to install more and more newer packages that just weren't supported without installing an increasing number of newer libraries.

I tried Arch - far too much reading, I needed this VM up and running fairly quickly.  Also you shouldn't just update Arch willy-nilly without reading all their latest updates and warnings.  Again, too much reading.

openSUSE - as described above.  I used SuSE back in the day, and work even bought a box set with thick paper manuals included (can you believe that!).

So I tried the newly release Debian which, apart from the kerfuffle around systemd, seems to be doing the job.  It is not supported for as long as I might like (not as long as CentOS), but so far so good.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 30 April 2015, 18:58:23

I also lost faith with Ubuntu - silly arguments over window control positions, proprietary utilities, very short support time, an apparent growing lack of community support.


In spite of your comments above, having re-skimmed this entire thread, I think that I may move back to Ubuntu.

Although I have a deep and abiding fear and distrust of the "corporate/Big Brother" mentality in general, I am too old and tired to fight every windmill. I am not a programmer and I do not operate a server, I am simply a "user" and nothing more.

People use Windows because the majority of the time, it "just works" - but this is an attribute that costs money and allegiance.

If most of the same "just working" part is true of Ubuntu, then I will make my selection based on minimizing my own headaches and expenses.

Out-of-the-box support for aging hardware and the ability to run on both hot new and old slow boxes is of supreme importance to me.


Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:20:59
I've gone through many distros over the last ~15 years and I keep coming back to Debian or Debian variants like Ubuntu.

- If you want something that just works and has great package support Ubuntu is hard to beat. I've recently been using Ubuntu Gnome and I really like it. http://ubuntugnome.org/ It's very minimalistic compared to standard Ubuntu or MInt and yet is still as easy to setup and support.

- If you want something that's almost as good out of the box that requires a little more know-how and is the epitome of FOSS, Debian is the way to go. I've used it for years. It's one of the oldest distributions out there. It can take a lot of time to get some software to run properly on it. So, if you have specific software requirements do your homework.

- If you want something fun as hell and don't mind getting your hands dirty and learning how stuff works...Slackware. Period.

Arch is really trendy with the "young-uns" (I'm not as old as I sound...but get off my lawn!!) lulz ;) but it's pretty boring to me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:24:48
I added the GNOME Flashback desktop

I used to do that to all of my Ubuntu installations too. You don't need to do it any more and the vanilla Ubuntu Gnome installation is much cleaner. http://ubuntugnome.org/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:28:30
I've gone through many distros over the last ~15 years and I keep coming back to Debian or Debian variants like Ubuntu.

- If you want something that's almost as good out of the box that requires a little more know-how and is the epitome of FOSS, Debian is the way to go.


How much steeper would the learning curve be if I chose Debian with KDE?

Somehow, Canonical has become distasteful to me, but I do not want to jump through hoops of aggravation for silly ideology.

*    *    *    *    *

edit - a huge plus is a good user forum.

My experience was that the Ubuntu forum was generally friendly and helpful while the openSUSE forum was mostly snotty and arrogant.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 30 April 2015, 20:37:02
I've gone through many distros over the last ~15 years and I keep coming back to Debian or Debian variants like Ubuntu.

- If you want something that's almost as good out of the box that requires a little more know-how and is the epitome of FOSS, Debian is the way to go.


How much steeper would the learning curve be if I chose Debian with KDE?

Somehow, Canonical has become distasteful to me, but I do not want to jump through hoops of aggravation for silly ideology.

Can't speak from experience, as I've never been a fan of KDE, but it should be pretty similar. I'm guessing there will be fewer options and less flexibility because many more DEs use GTK (of one version or another) than QT, but the underlying system will be the same, and the GUI seems to have a mostly logical layout. If you're already familiar with KDE to an extent, things should be similar.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Thu, 30 April 2015, 21:10:55
Is OpenSUSE the preferred server platform of the Internet nowadays? I thought it was still split evenly between Microsoft and BSD?

Most virtual server offerings I find offer either CentOS or Ubuntu now. I've always used Ubuntu, so I'm more familiar with the command line of that system, using Apt for package management, sudo for root tasks, etc.

In my experience, working at a cloud infrastructure company, CentOS and Ubuntu pretty much own the market for production servers.  CentOS is number one because of its long term support and slow update churn.  People don't want to have to worry about what the production server updates are going to do to their operations.  Update lag can be a benefit in some situations.  When the packages in CentOS are too old, I see people using Ubuntu.  For example, when an application needs a Python version > 2.7, due to yum dependencies.

I use both interchangeably now, but when given the choice, I usually pick Ubuntu.  Keep in mind that I never use a GUI with Linux, so I just care about ease of use and package availability.  When I last used Linux as my desktop, I was using Ubuntu with Gnome.  I hated what was being done to Ubuntu on the desktop side.  I want to spend more time with Arch, but I have not had the time.  Alas...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 30 April 2015, 21:16:53
Maybe I should re-think my decision.

What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.

Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.

I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.

People really seem to like Mint.

I also lost faith with Ubuntu - silly arguments over window control positions, proprietary utilities, very short support time, an apparent growing lack of community support.

I was using CentOS as my development OS in a virtual machine, nothing wrong with it at all.  Well supported, long support (much longer than Ubuntu).  The only downside is that packages are necessarily old and not updated frequently, which is fine if you just want a stable well-supported system, but unfortunately I had an increasing need to install more and more newer packages that just weren't supported without installing an increasing number of newer libraries.

I tried Arch - far too much reading, I needed this VM up and running fairly quickly.  Also you shouldn't just update Arch willy-nilly without reading all their latest updates and warnings.  Again, too much reading.

openSUSE - as described above.  I used SuSE back in the day, and work even bought a box set with thick paper manuals included (can you believe that!).

So I tried the newly release Debian which, apart from the kerfuffle around systemd, seems to be doing the job.  It is not supported for as long as I might like (not as long as CentOS), but so far so good.
I'm probably the worst Arch user of all time. I rarely actually read before updating. I forget.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 30 April 2015, 21:37:59
I've gone through many distros over the last ~15 years and I keep coming back to Debian or Debian variants like Ubuntu.

- If you want something that's almost as good out of the box that requires a little more know-how and is the epitome of FOSS, Debian is the way to go.


How much steeper would the learning curve be if I chose Debian with KDE?

Somehow, Canonical has become distasteful to me, but I do not want to jump through hoops of aggravation for silly ideology.

*    *    *    *    *

edit - a huge plus is a good user forum.

My experience was that the Ubuntu forum was generally friendly and helpful while the openSUSE forum was mostly snotty and arrogant.


You'll run across arrogance in much of the Linux world unfortunately. Most people are pretty cool though. 

KDE shouldn't be any different other than KDE specific apps. I have only used KDE with Slackware in the last few years since I much prefer Gnome. It's "cool" to hate Canonical but it's hard to hate the contributions they have made to the Linux desktop. And the "evil" online search function is not even an option in Ubuntu Gnome. The Gnome distribution looks and feels just like Debian with better software compatibility for me. I'm still a big fan of Debian, but with the project I have going on right now I just needed to get something up and running quickly and easily and Ubuntu Gnome worked much better for me in this particular case than Debian did.

Unless you have some specific software you need to use, Debian should be just as easy as Ubuntu for the most part.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 30 April 2015, 21:47:44
...and for the user forums...I haven't used them in a long time. Debian and Ubuntu are cross-compatible for the most part though. So, you could use either one or both.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sat, 02 May 2015, 07:14:27
I use both interchangeably now, but when given the choice, I usually pick Ubuntu.  Keep in mind that I never use a GUI with Linux, so I just care about ease of use and package availability.
i always use GUI with linux. this is why i have cinnamon desktop installed on my work macbook. looks better than mac os .
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 02 May 2015, 08:27:30
I use Ubuntu with Gnome3 at work and at home I use windows because the games I played are not available on Linux otherwise I'll always been on Linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Sat, 02 May 2015, 12:38:13
I use Ubuntu with Gnome3 at work and at home I use windows because the games I played are not available on Linux otherwise I'll always been on Linux.

Get two hard drives. One has Linux the other Windows. You can use syslinux, which is a much cleaner and understandable boot manager, IMO, to be able to select which hard drive to boot. At least that way you can use the superior kernel at home as well.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jerue on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:39:49
While I normally hop around Windows and OS X, I did put Ubuntu on my work laptop (boots alongside Windows) and I have a netbook handling my networking setup (it acts as a bridge).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 02 May 2015, 19:39:13
So, my son and I are building a new/used computer for him. We have it together, 2 hard drives, 1 each for Windows (not yet installed) and Ubuntu 14.04. I went back to Ubuntu/Unity for the sake of simplicity and compatibility.

The installation went fine, and the icon shows a proper internet connection, but it is not really there. (PS - this is true with a real ethernet wire as well as a USB wireless dongle)

If you click on Firefox, it hangs and does nothing.

Type "apt-get" anything and you get nothing.

Is there a way to download and install Firefox on another computer and install it from a flash drive? I suspect that the problem is the browser software itself.

The Ubuntu forum's "networking" section is so loaded down with "wi-fi connects but no internet" questions that I do not expect a valid answer any time soon.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 02 May 2015, 19:44:21
Yes you can download for Ubu/Deb 32 or 64bit and copy to a flash drive. It's most likely not a problem with the browser though. The network manager was a little buggy in Ubuntu 14/15 until recently. I would try just rebooting the machine first.

What do you get with "sudo ifconfig eth0" (for Ethernet)?
 
Edit: do you get a valid IP for your LAN setup? You don't have to post all of the output here if you don't want to.
 ...if you do have a valid IP can you ping stuff on your LAN and the Internet? ie. "ping -c 5 10.0.1.1"  or  "ping -c 5 8.8.8.8"

Edit #2: If you plan on using Win7 or higher I would install Windows first so you can use GRUB (or Lilo), the Linux bootloader, instead of the Windows bootloader. I've had problems with the Windows bootloader seeing Linux installations before.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 02 May 2015, 19:47:56
Also, I just installed the new version of Debian 8 earlier today and it's pretty awesome. So far no trouble getting my hardware or software to run...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 02 May 2015, 20:23:12
fohat, if you have a working windows system, you can use Universal USB Installer with a downloaded ISO of your preferred distro to install it onto a USB stick. I use it all the time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Ngt on Sun, 03 May 2015, 05:24:31
I use Ubuntu with Gnome3 at work and at home I use windows because the games I played are not available on Linux otherwise I'll always been on Linux.

Get two hard drives. One has Linux the other Windows. You can use syslinux, which is a much cleaner and understandable boot manager, IMO, to be able to select which hard drive to boot. At least that way you can use the superior kernel at home as well.
Well I would have to reboot every time I want to play so it is not desirable IMO. I did have 2 partitions on the machine. One for Ubuntu and the other one for Windows but the result was that I never loaded Ubuntu pretty much.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 13 May 2015, 19:46:03
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try  another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 13 May 2015, 20:24:00
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try  another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.

Debian Jessie is a lot of fun -- probably not as bleeding edge as you're used to with Arch. If you use the netinstall and choose to install as little as possible when prompted, you'll end up just installing the core distro, and you can build it up much like you would with Arch.

I can't think of another distro off the top of my head that I'd recommend for desktop use. If you're looking for something a little more special than base Debian, BunsenLabs is the spiritual successor to CrunchBang Linux, and it seems to be providing an excellent experience, although it's still in development and I've yet to try it out myself. Bunsen is essentially Debian Jessie with a few decisions already made for you, but it gets you closer to a functional system than a straight Jessie netinst.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 May 2015, 21:34:07
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try  another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.

Debian Jessie is a lot of fun -- probably not as bleeding edge as you're used to with Arch. If you use the netinstall and choose to install as little as possible when prompted, you'll end up just installing the core distro, and you can build it up much like you would with Arch.

I can't think of another distro off the top of my head that I'd recommend for desktop use. If you're looking for something a little more special than base Debian, BunsenLabs is the spiritual successor to CrunchBang Linux, and it seems to be providing an excellent experience, although it's still in development and I've yet to try it out myself. Bunsen is essentially Debian Jessie with a few decisions already made for you, but it gets you closer to a functional system than a straight Jessie netinst.

+1 for Debian Jessie (8.0) - working well for me on a desktop (in a VM, btw).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 13 May 2015, 22:14:36
Alright, I'm going to do a full wipe and give it a go a little later, I'll share my thoughts after using it for a little while.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 14 May 2015, 06:16:07
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try  another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.
out of the debian family! try gentoo.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Thu, 14 May 2015, 06:30:37
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try  another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.
out of the debian family! try gentoo.

slackware!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 14 May 2015, 06:51:40
yeah, or slackware.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 14 May 2015, 06:51:49
If you're gonna try those distros mentioned above, also try Arch LFS (joking)!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 14 May 2015, 07:45:18
which he has been using for a while.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 14 May 2015, 08:09:42
which he has been using for a while.

sorry didn't see the quote, was on phone  :(
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: kaminbobby on Fri, 22 May 2015, 00:11:20
Arch linux :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 22 May 2015, 16:24:42
Rocking Debian like everyone said to do, and after making it all pretty, it's really nice!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Fri, 22 May 2015, 17:18:04
The upgrade to Kubuntu 15.04 seemed like a major ****-up at first, but it's okay after all… only the panel/systray is quite useless in Plasma 5.3, and I've had to get rid of (surprise-surprise) systemd.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: micr0n on Fri, 22 May 2015, 17:38:43
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin.  All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do.  I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11.  The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 22 May 2015, 17:41:44
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin.  All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do.  I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11.  The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.
I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rm-rf on Fri, 22 May 2015, 18:16:59
its been growing a lot the past few years.
went to this a few weeks back...

http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/2015
take a look at their schedule. 2 days of seminars and more

its always fun, and every year it gets bigger and bigger. people come from all over.
and there is always a huge after party, which is pretty damn fun.
great for networking.

although the first one i went to in 1999, it was just 5 guys in a room talking about BBS's...
not so interesting. but this year there was a massive turn out. i think there was 3,000 + people that showed up

looks like there may be something similar in Seattle WA, in October.
http://seagl.org/
their site seems a bit non informational.

and i've noticed lately on steam a lot more products being available for linux
but i usually don't play games when in linux, and if i do its just in a vm anyways :P

but my distro of choice would probably be gentoo...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dimamantra on Fri, 22 May 2015, 19:17:18
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin.  All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do.  I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11.  The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.
I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...

Slowly but surely my friend  ;D

There are a lot of games running on Linux these days with more being added everyday.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rm-rf on Fri, 22 May 2015, 19:41:50
i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 22 May 2015, 19:57:15
i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.

Unfortunately, linux still only has less than 1% of Steam installs, and OSX only has around 3% (April Steam survey). It may come, but it's not coming quickly.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 22 May 2015, 20:07:03
i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.

Unfortunately, linux still only has less than 1% of Steam installs, and OSX only has around 3% (April Steam survey). It may come, but it's not coming quickly.
We would probably see a lot more if tripple A games where on linux. I'm betting a lot of people would install a free OS that you can play GTA V on..
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 22 May 2015, 20:14:21
i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.

Unfortunately, linux still only has less than 1% of Steam installs, and OSX only has around 3% (April Steam survey). It may come, but it's not coming quickly.
We would probably see a lot more if tripple A games where on linux. I'm betting a lot of people would install a free OS that you can play GTA V on..

Well we've got a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy here. Developers won't develop for platforms that have low market share, and gamers won't switch to a platform that doesn't have games.

Most Valve games, and a good number of indie games work on linux, although I've personally had a lot of trouble making them work as well as on Windows.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 22 May 2015, 20:33:07
i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.

Unfortunately, linux still only has less than 1% of Steam installs, and OSX only has around 3% (April Steam survey). It may come, but it's not coming quickly.
We would probably see a lot more if tripple A games where on linux. I'm betting a lot of people would install a free OS that you can play GTA V on..

Well we've got a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy here. Developers won't develop for platforms that have low market share, and gamers won't switch to a platform that doesn't have games.

Most Valve games, and a good number of indie games work on linux, although I've personally had a lot of trouble making them work as well as on Windows.
I was hearing reports of people having much better performance on CS GO with linux than windows with Nvidia, but AMD seems to be lacking on their driver front even more so with linux.

I'm glad Nvidia has stepped up to the plate for drivers for Linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 22 May 2015, 20:37:00
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin.  All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do.  I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11.  The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.
I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
Same situation here ^^.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rm-rf on Fri, 22 May 2015, 20:44:45
i think i need to install nix now.
thanks. haha
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dimamantra on Fri, 22 May 2015, 20:45:38
Quote
I was hearing reports of people having much better performance on CS GO with linux than windows with Nvidia, but AMD seems to be lacking on their driver front even more so with linux.

I'm glad Nvidia has stepped up to the plate for drivers for Linux.

I used to be all about AMD...until Nvidia came along and crushed them.

Warms my heart to see a company pushing the Linux market forward.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Sat, 23 May 2015, 05:21:59
stop windowsing, ie stop gaming :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:06:53
stop windowsing, ie stop gaming :)

dual hard drive boot master race.

well, except for windows stupid pesky UTC clock correction.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rm-rf on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:12:30
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:40:05
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.

i do my crunching on my laptop. i just can't stand using windows as an OS. but it doesn't make sense to buy ANOTHER machine just for that.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dimamantra on Sat, 23 May 2015, 10:44:55
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.

i do my crunching on my laptop. i just can't stand using windows as an OS. but it doesn't make sense to buy ANOTHER machine just for that.

> doesn't make sense to buy ANOTHER machine just for that

You can never have enough computers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sat, 23 May 2015, 12:51:06
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin.  All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do.  I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11.  The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.
I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
Use winex for gaming. I got 2x the performance on Linux playing WoW instead of windows on the same hardware.   There is no reason to not use Linux for gaming.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: micr0n on Sat, 23 May 2015, 13:00:49
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.
I do agree that it does interrupt the workflow as well.  Hence the use of a mini VMware data center and cygwin.   I can use both environments at once without stopping a beat.  The dual boot method was just to inefficient for me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 23 May 2015, 19:26:14
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin.  All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do.  I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11.  The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.
I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
Use winex for gaming. I got 2x the performance on Linux playing WoW instead of windows on the same hardware.   There is no reason to not use Linux for gaming.
Are you running it on wine?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 23 May 2015, 19:52:55
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.

This - been there, done that several times.  Just doesn't work.

Now I have 2 or 3 computers, each dedicated to a single operating system.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dimamantra on Sat, 23 May 2015, 20:18:09
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.

This - been there, done that several times.  Just doesn't work.

Now I have 2 or 3 computers, each dedicated to a single operating system.

It is also reasonably cheap to build computers for certain tasks (gaming, general, media, storage, etc.) You can always find decent components to build something at a price tag that doesn't make you cry.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 23 May 2015, 20:26:20
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.

This - been there, done that several times.  Just doesn't work.

Now I have 2 or 3 computers, each dedicated to a single operating system.

It is also reasonably cheap to build computers for certain tasks (gaming, general, media, storage, etc.) You can always find decent components to build something at a price tag that doesn't make you cry.

My biggest problem is now multiple monitors and keyboards on a moderately sized desk.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 23 May 2015, 20:26:23
I'm just going to cave in and get windows 10 once I build my PC.

I was going to install linux, but Candy Crush sold the power of the new operating system.  :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sun, 24 May 2015, 07:17:27
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin.  All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do.  I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11.  The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.
I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
Use winex for gaming. I got 2x the performance on Linux playing WoW instead of windows on the same hardware.   There is no reason to not use Linux for gaming.
amen.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: nova779 on Sun, 24 May 2015, 11:00:25
I really miss crunchbang so I started using crunchbang++ and really enjoy it
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Tue, 26 May 2015, 17:53:05
Huh, that's the first time I've heard of an improvement in FPS switching to Linux. The driver situation isn't really all that hot. What kinda cards do you have, and do you see this advantage in other games as well?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 26 May 2015, 18:26:49
Huh, that's the first time I've heard of an improvement in FPS switching to Linux. The driver situation isn't really all that hot. What kinda cards do you have, and do you see this advantage in other games as well?
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2hex11/csgo_linux_vs_wine_vs_windows_7_performance/

Of course I don't believe all games will have the same outcome. It could be bad reports also. Just interesting...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 26 May 2015, 18:42:45
I really miss crunchbang so I started using crunchbang++ and really enjoy it

Crunchbang still works fine, just point yourself at debian wheezy repos, and you're good to go. I think you'll need to remove tint2 and reinstall using the version in the repos, but it's still very usable. I know some people on the Crunchbang forums have had some success with upgrading to point at debian jessie repos as well.

Another continuation of Crunchbang is the BunsenLabs project, which is intended to turn a debian jessie netinstall into an openbox system with the same visual elements and design philosophy as Crunchbang, with a noted evolution. Once I dig out a spare hard drive, I'll be booting that up on an old laptop and seeing how she flies.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 27 May 2015, 13:21:00
stop windowsing, ie stop gaming :)

dual hard drive boot master race.

well, except for windows stupid pesky UTC clock correction.

i have 3 SSDs, one with Arch one with Windows 64 and one with windows 32 bit.

I only keep 32 bit system to program my tipro, and the 64 for when my friends forces me to play wow :P but usually never have to set my foot in there otherwise. Pretty liberating :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 27 May 2015, 13:26:10
i have 3 SSDs, one with Arch one with Windows 64 and one with windows 32 bit.

I only keep 32 bit system to program my tipro, and the 64 for when my friends forces me to play wow :P but usually never have to set my foot in there otherwise. Pretty liberating :)

very wise. to completely eschew windows is unnecessary work; i think of it like a drunken booty call: to be used when the moment calls for it.  :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: AgentNate on Wed, 27 May 2015, 16:34:58
Been using Arch for a handful of months now

I really miss crunchbang so I started using crunchbang++ and really enjoy it

Oh man crunchbang was definitely my favorite distro I had ever tried. I'm gonna have to give this a look.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 27 May 2015, 16:55:47
Why don't you just run VMs instead of having separate drives for different OSs? The only reason I could see why you would still multi-boot (so old skool, yo) is if you have apps that only run well natively (which is really rare these days even for Windows applications.) I just install Debian as a host OS and then RAID 0 multiple SSDs and then VMware Workstation any other OS I need.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 03 June 2015, 20:01:20
Quote
What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?

FreeBSD
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 03 June 2015, 20:46:55
Quote
What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?

FreeBSD

We got ourselves a badass here  :p

Joking; I always wanted to get into FreeBSD but can't bring myself to maintain another distro.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 03 June 2015, 21:12:03
I like Ubuntu, sort of. Tried Arch for a while, they move so fast things break. All I needs a Mac laptop and FreeBSD server.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 03 June 2015, 21:16:39
I like Ubuntu, sort of. Tried Arch for a while, they move so fast things break. All I needs a Mac laptop and FreeBSD server.

I actually enjoy when things break because it gives me an excuse to fix things, I'm weird like that. Although I find if you read the Arch news regularly you really won't get caught unawares.

How good is ports in FreeBSD for management of installed software?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 03 June 2015, 21:35:33
Ports is sweet, you'll rarely have issues but I don't manage it like some people. I do a script that deletes my packages & tree, fetch new tree, make install everything fresh when I want new software.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pkircher on Wed, 03 June 2015, 21:36:48
bsd with zfs .. win!
moving more over to coreos for servers / clustering
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 03 June 2015, 22:16:58
Yo @ttzhou the new-ish "pkg" is similar to apt-get though, if you wanna manage software from the repos.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 03 June 2015, 22:54:27
Yo @ttzhou the new-ish "pkg" is similar to apt-get though, if you wanna manage software from the repos.

I will put FreeBSD at the top of "install when I start getting tired of Arch" list in that case  :thumb:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 03 June 2015, 23:17:36
It's a really simple slick OS I like to promote their project whenever I can.    :))
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 03 June 2015, 23:24:51
Is BSD actually linux? I was under the impression that it was more of its own thing.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 03 June 2015, 23:28:28
It's not Linux I was messing they're descended from 4.4 the final Berkeley UNIX.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 03 June 2015, 23:32:16
It's not Linux I was messing they're descended from 4.4 the final Berkeley UNIX.

Ah, gotcha.

Have you ever tried Debian? That's what I'm using right now, and I'm extremely happy with it. If so, how would you compare it to BSD?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 03 June 2015, 23:35:45
Have you ever tried Debian? That's what I'm using right now, and I'm extremely happy with it. If so, how would you compare it to BSD?

Both conservative release cycle very stable, FreeBSD is kinda like Gentoo or Arch though.

bsd with zfs .. win!

ZFS is dope but Linux has that these days, is it 100% native yet I don't know.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pkircher on Thu, 04 June 2015, 00:02:46
would not use in on linux nor btrfs
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 00:11:56
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Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: starscream on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:11:40
I use Debian myself, but It's the only distro I've actully tried other than Ubuntu

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:20:03
You should try Arch one day it's neat, that was my Lunix tasting path more or less. Debian/Ubuntu > Arch
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:20:49
Debian/Ubuntu > Arch

Them's fighting words  :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:22:29
Hey naw that's not supposed to be a greater than symbol.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:37:47
The alligator eats the greater one! Should be Debian/Ubuntu <<<<<< Arch  :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pkircher on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:40:10
as for zfs on linux .. you will experience huge mem spikes .. special if replication kicks in .. id use it on bsd / smartos ..

yet as i sayed i moved loads of the clustered computing work torwards coreos (i operate a small 48 node bare metal cluster) if you need a immutable os .. thats 1 to look out for

as for x11/ ui based linux .. arch is the true winner .. i know some of you guys hate systemd for some bizare reasions .. but .. again the major distributors going to pivot to it as init system anyway .. so better get familiar with it right away ..

as much as i love package management .. it does mess your system up .. try to containerize all the things docker/rocket/nspawn/zones/jails .. pick your flavor .. cgroups / lxc for the win
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:42:50
After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:51:11
After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.

luckily I met my ex before this point, should it ever arrive  :))
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:57:13
I feel like I'm posting on /g/ by now in this thread.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: starscream on Thu, 04 June 2015, 15:59:12
I feel like I'm posting on /g/ by now in this thread.


install gentoo
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 04 June 2015, 16:02:20
funnily enough I have never been on 4chan proper. why suffer the navigation when one can just google "best greentext" or browse /r/4chan.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 16:02:33
as much as i love package management .. it does mess your system up .. try to containerize all the things docker/rocket/nspawn/zones/jails .. pick your flavor .. cgroups / lxc for the win

You know I'm embarrassed to say I've never used a jail.

install gentoo

Everything there is like, install gentoo, richard stall man, poast your battle station, dragon dildos.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 04 June 2015, 16:05:28
After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.
I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?

Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 16:07:48
I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?

Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...

I think you'll be okay, just don't install GNU Hurd.  Edit: or Plan9 something like that lol.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:15:59
After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.
I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?

Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...
I'm so glad that #!++ exists. Even though I never used #!, I was so sad when I heard it had died.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:19:39
I feel like I'm posting on /g/ by now in this thread.


install gentoo

One does not simply install gentoo.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:24:01
I feel like I'm posting on /g/ by now in this thread.
install gentoo
Lel
But seriously whats the big deal with gentoo. It was the first linux distro I installed, and I had no problems. But then again I am amazing, so that might have something to do with it. :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:30:38
install gentoo, richard stall man, poast your battle station, dragon dildos.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:42:21
After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.
I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?

Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...
I'm so glad that #!++ exists. Even though I never used #!, I was so sad when I heard it had died.
I never used #!, because I just thought it was a "trendy" distro for some reason. But a minimal install of some stable base distro, with Openbox for a WM, is what I really prefer. The #!++ install was straightforward, and everything on the Thinkpad works like a charm.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:42:51
Legend has it jedi wizard status is attained through gentoo install stage1 tar ball.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: thefebruaryman on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:46:54
Opensuse at work and at home kde flavour. Find is pretty much all round good for databases and programming.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:48:20
My favourite page about gentoo: http://funroll-loops.teurasporsaat.org/
Quote
Welcome, this page is dedicated to the Linux Community's greatest ambassadors, Gentoo users.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Thu, 04 June 2015, 17:56:55
After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.
I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?

Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...
I'm so glad that #!++ exists. Even though I never used #!, I was so sad when I heard it had died.
I never used #!, because I just thought it was a "trendy" distro for some reason. But a minimal install of some stable base distro, with Openbox for a WM, is what I really prefer. The #!++ install was straightforward, and everything on the Thinkpad works like a charm.
I might install it on one of my older rigs to test it out.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: blcksqrrl on Fri, 05 June 2015, 10:33:13
For most of my programming work, I use Debian with i3, for general computing its Ubuntu with Gnome. I also have couple serves running CentOS because why not?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Fri, 05 June 2015, 13:05:01
Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill?  Any others that fill the same niche?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Fri, 05 June 2015, 13:07:03
Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill?  Any others that fill the same niche?
#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Fri, 05 June 2015, 13:10:56
Crunchbang is just Debian with Openbox is it not.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Fri, 05 June 2015, 13:11:10
Crunchbang is just Debian with Openbox is it not.
Basically
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Fri, 05 June 2015, 13:19:21
Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill?  Any others that fill the same niche?
#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
Cool. Thanks for the details. I have been playing with arch when I have free moments.

I want to spend more time with coreos when I have a chance as well.  I work with containers quite a bit (started working with them 8 years ago with openvz). Actually, the current implementation of builder.swillkb.com is powered by LXC in order to overcome the single tenant issues of FreeCAD.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 05 June 2015, 14:56:45
Crunchbang is just Debian with Openbox is it not.
Basically

It had a few other customizations as well. It came with a bunch of fancy premade pipemenus, a newer version of tint2 than the one found in debian stable repos (no longer true as of jessie going stable), and some other minor theming and usability improvements.

Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill?  Any others that fill the same niche?
#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.

Other distros that are attempting to replace #! are #!++ (Jessie-based), and the BunsenLabs project (in development, compiling a set of scripts that will add a bunch of the crunchbang-related usability improvements and theming to a Jessie netinstall).

I believe Manjaro (arch-based) and Lubuntu also fill similar niches, although with a little more than base openbox.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Fri, 05 June 2015, 16:26:18
Other distros that are attempting to replace #! are #!++ (Jessie-based), and the BunsenLabs project (in development, compiling a set of scripts that will add a bunch of the crunchbang-related usability improvements and theming to a Jessie netinstall).

I believe Manjaro (arch-based) and Lubuntu also fill similar niches, although with a little more than base openbox.
Have you tried manjaro? I tried it once, and it just felt like a worse more clunky version of antergos. This was almost a year ago though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 05 June 2015, 16:33:34
Other distros that are attempting to replace #! are #!++ (Jessie-based), and the BunsenLabs project (in development, compiling a set of scripts that will add a bunch of the crunchbang-related usability improvements and theming to a Jessie netinstall).

I believe Manjaro (arch-based) and Lubuntu also fill similar niches, although with a little more than base openbox.
Have you tried manjaro? I tried it once, and it just felt like a worse more clunky version of antergos. This was almost a year ago though.

I haven't tried any arch-based distros, no. My listing was just based on distros I've seen mentioned as similar on the crunchbang forums.

I'm more concerned with stability than bleeding-edge software, so debian seems like a better fit for me. I may throw arch on a spare machine sometime just to see how it runs.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vibex on Fri, 05 June 2015, 16:36:09
Other distros that are attempting to replace #! are #!++ (Jessie-based), and the BunsenLabs project (in development, compiling a set of scripts that will add a bunch of the crunchbang-related usability improvements and theming to a Jessie netinstall).

I believe Manjaro (arch-based) and Lubuntu also fill similar niches, although with a little more than base openbox.
Have you tried manjaro? I tried it once, and it just felt like a worse more clunky version of antergos. This was almost a year ago though.

I haven't tried any arch-based distros, no. My listing was just based on distros I've seen mentioned as similar on the crunchbang forums.

I'm more concerned with stability than bleeding-edge software, so debian seems like a better fit for me. I may throw arch on a spare machine sometime just to see how it runs.
People always talk about problems from bleeding edge distros, but they are all I have used and I have had a total of 2 problems over the course of 1 1/2 - 2 ish years.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Fri, 05 June 2015, 20:33:04

I'm more concerned with stability than bleeding-edge software, so debian seems like a better fit for me. I may throw arch on a spare machine sometime just to see how it runs.

IMO the stability trade off is worth it for the bleeding edge nature of arch. literally all one really has to do is read the arch news page before doing a system update and 99.9% of the time you will be fine.

the only problems that might arise are for older hardware; e.g. on my old laptop, broadcom-wl (wireless package) had to be recompiled every time I updated the kernel in Arch, but this was not mentioned on the news page since broadcom-wl is an ancient package. this is where google-fu comes into play.

anyway, sales pitch over haha, i don't want to turn into a crazy arch missionary.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Fri, 05 June 2015, 21:49:36
Lubuntu

Nice lil distro, would choose that over nubuntu failsauce any day.  Can't even set macros without settings being erased constantly.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 05 June 2015, 21:51:36
Well, Arch is definitely up there on my "to try" list, right after I give #!++ and Bunsen a go.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cheebs on Fri, 05 June 2015, 23:29:18

Legend has it jedi wizard status is attained through gentoo install stage1 tar ball.

I did this crazy **** once when I was in high school.  Took literally a week to compile.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Fri, 05 June 2015, 23:51:35
Team FreeBSD on the scene.   :cool:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pkircher on Sat, 06 June 2015, 01:01:16
Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill?  Any others that fill the same niche?
#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
Cool. Thanks for the details. I have been playing with arch when I have free moments.

I want to spend more time with coreos when I have a chance as well.  I work with containers quite a bit (started working with them 8 years ago with openvz). Actually, the current implementation of builder.swillkb.com is powered by LXC in order to overcome the single tenant issues of FreeCAD.

coreos does rocket (nspawn goodie) , now lxc for multitennants .. thats what i call brave .. well hit me up on freenode #coreos if you stuck somewhere :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pkircher on Sat, 06 June 2015, 01:03:08
Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill?  Any others that fill the same niche?
#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
Cool. Thanks for the details. I have been playing with arch when I have free moments.

I want to spend more time with coreos when I have a chance as well.  I work with containers quite a bit (started working with them 8 years ago with openvz). Actually, the current implementation of builder.swillkb.com is powered by LXC in order to overcome the single tenant issues of FreeCAD.

coreos does rocket (nspawn goodie) or simply docker, now lxc for multitennants .. thats what i call brave .. well hit me up on freenode #coreos if you stuck somewhere :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: NeonBacon on Sat, 06 June 2015, 10:24:58
Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Sat, 06 June 2015, 12:03:44
Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill?  Any others that fill the same niche?
#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
Cool. Thanks for the details. I have been playing with arch when I have free moments.

I want to spend more time with coreos when I have a chance as well.  I work with containers quite a bit (started working with them 8 years ago with openvz). Actually, the current implementation of builder.swillkb.com is powered by LXC in order to overcome the single tenant issues of FreeCAD.

coreos does rocket (nspawn goodie) , now lxc for multitennants .. thats what i call brave .. well hit me up on freenode #coreos if you stuck somewhere :)

I knew that coreos used systemd, but I did not realize they used any of the nspawn functionality. Do you have a reference where I can learn more about that?  I have been reading a bunch about nspawn recently. I know the container space pretty well and I didn't even know that existed till a couple days ago. Pretty interesting stuff...

To be clear, I am not using LXC for true multitenant functionality (as known in the industry). Basically what I mean is this...

FreeCAD was designed to be used on a single desktop by a single user. I did not realize how poorly some aspects of the software was written until I started trying to create multiple FreeCAD objects at the same time and realized that changes in one could effect the other. Since the builder.swillkb.com is a web based service, I needed to be able to support multiple requests at the same time, which I am referring to as multitenant because the requests should be isolated from each other.

Since I was much too deep into the implementation at that point, I just needed to find a solution to this without rewriting everything.

My solution:
Run a server that handles all of the requests from the clients, let's call it core. On a new 'build' request, I spin up a new instance of basically the same server in an LXC container and wait for this new worker server to come online (6-10 seconds) and then I have the core server offload the build request to this worker. Once the worker finishes the build and uploads the resulting files to an object store, it passes the metadata for the built files back to the core server and then the LXC worker is destroyed. The core server then updates the client with their cad files and completes the request.

Obviously this is totally inefficient and not ideal, but I just needed a solution. This is actually why I am rebuilding the tool from scratch and skipping the cad engine completely and writing a software that can just generate the output files directly. So far it is blazing fast and is looking promising, but I have not implemented the majority of the complexity yet. I will only support 2D drawings with my new tool instead of both 2D and 3D as I currently do. I think it will be worth it when I am done.

Sorry for the essay, I have been stuck in this hospital bed for too long and I am frackin bored.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pkircher on Sat, 06 June 2015, 16:19:18
basicaly a regular worker model .. as it has been used since ages .. you go straight to lxc or use an orchistrated "fake scheduler" it gets tricky if you want todo that multinode as for your build stuff id look at drone ( its a CI) githubc.om/drone/drone different purpose but that can do builds and create artefacts in containers .. if you want to scale that up .. use that as build plattform via docker to example ( pass in the socket of the host) .. place the build artefact ( the finished file) on a distributed fs .. ceph to example or straight to radowsgw ( its the internal object store of ceph) and just pass the link back .. with that you separat the build and the distribution plane .. in terms of enqueing thats easy as well basicaly what you where doing


as for nspawn / rocket the appcontainer spec is your best bet ..  ( the boys invested alot of time into it )
the core diff between docker / rocket is .. that docker runs as a daemon and rocket does not

the run stages are different ..

rocket "CAN" run mutliple processes in a "container" with different cap's

and .. the container distribution is different as well

docker uses a registry to save off the layerd tarballs to build the rootfs and uses own protocolls for that
rocket uses good old straight http


if you in the hospital .. take the recordings from the coreos fest and consume them all day long

Coreos fest:
https://www.youtube.com/user/coreoslinux/videos

OSDC 2015 videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8nIBEFmjzXjXeJV_hkkeIQ/videos

gabriel had a talk about deis on the coreos fest .. which is a paas and could help you scale your stuff on coreos as for the traffic part,
im a contributor at deis so feel free to ping me ..

i think thats enough content now to get you busy for a few days :)

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 09 June 2015, 19:20:09
Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.
Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 09 June 2015, 22:22:12
Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.
Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
I suspect that battery life will drop significantly. At least that's what I've always seen when using Linux instead of Windows on laptops. Also Apple really doubled down on power efficiency in recent OS versions.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 09 June 2015, 22:43:12
Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.
Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
I suspect that battery life will drop significantly. At least that's what I've always seen when using Linux instead of Windows on laptops. Also Apple really doubled down on power efficiency in recent OS versions.

My experience has always been the opposite actually -- although I haven't done a comparison with Win 7 or higher.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 10 June 2015, 00:54:23
I wouldn't run linux on my macbook. I like osx trackpad usability too much, battery takes a hit no question, and there's homebrew.  I want another thinkpad for running a lightweight distro, much better suited I think.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Wed, 10 June 2015, 01:34:51
Depends on which machine I'm on, and what I'm doing-

I frequently use:

FreeBSD
OpenBSD
Mint (with Mate to lighten it up a bit ;)
Kali (I mourn the passing of Backtrack....)
CentOS

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 10 June 2015, 02:41:24
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 10 June 2015, 02:53:13
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?

I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: TacticalCoder on Wed, 10 June 2015, 03:52:57
I'm on Debian and I consider giving Nix a try... Nix and NixOS both seem very interesting.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 10 June 2015, 04:20:05
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?

I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.

It depends on your commitment level, if you just want an OS to chill around and for it to work out of the box, id go with mint. If you really want to learn how things are structured and get a full understanding. id go with debian network install, or arch(by far the best wiki of the distros). Cant speak for crunchbang. But try going to distrowatch.com to check what distro suits you.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 10 June 2015, 07:07:17
Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.
Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
I suspect that battery life will drop significantly.
nope.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 10 June 2015, 07:12:41
Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.
Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
I suspect that battery life will drop significantly.
nope.

you will get a significantly shorter batterylife IF you do not fix necessary tools in order to swtich between cpu and gpu graphics, automatic screen brightness etc. I installed arch on my macbooks. After fixing a bunch of tools i still had issues with battery life. Even though i made it significantly better. Also had alot of problems with wifi drivers at that time it would drop from time to time. 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 10 June 2015, 07:28:19
I am using mint though, not arch.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pkircher on Wed, 10 June 2015, 07:41:57
mac osx has special battery opimisation backend in, nothing todo with the regluar cpu/gpu switching ..

so yes the battery will drop signif. faster on linux vs on macosx on ANY macbook

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 10 June 2015, 07:50:37
mac osx has special battery opimisation backend in, nothing todo with the regluar cpu/gpu switching ..

so yes the battery will drop signif. faster on linux vs on macosx on ANY macbook

In my case running the amd graphics card all the time instead of using built in graphics in the intel processor led to alot more power consumption. So it has very much to do with it..
 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: pkircher on Wed, 10 June 2015, 09:49:33
try to compare macosx on a mac to linux on a mac and compare the batterie life .. your statement is rather unsolicited if you drain your power for no reasion of coures it will be faster depleated, yet there is a major difference how macosx does powermanagement on a mac vs how linux handles it .

 make statements if you know what you talk about .. else its sometimes better to keep the fingers still and say nothing at all ..

no hard feelings , yet apple invested alot in better battery management special for there own hardware ..
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:09:48
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:14:32
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:15:23
apple invested alot in better battery management special for there own hardware ..

...hardware. Most of the efficiency can be attributed to the optimized hardware (ie. under-powered processors...). I haven't run any real tests but through anecdotal evidence I have noticed little difference between the battery life when running Linux vs BSD (OSX) on Macs.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:16:37
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...

Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;)  ...but today...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:19:12
...although OSX is technically a BSD variant...So...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:22:58
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...

Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;)  ...but today...

I miss VMS, too. But I doubt there are many VAX servers still in operation today. :P
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:40:26
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?

I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.

Crunchbang is a good distro, but it's no longer supported; it's still usable, but it takes a bit of work to point it at somewhere to let it actually get security updates. You could try !#++ or BunsenLabs, they're both based on the same ideas.

I found both Crunchbang and Linux Mint to be nice and friendly for transitioning to a full time linux base.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:42:56
Thanks.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 10:43:20
I used to have a free OpenVMS account, but it looks like the site is down. Here is another VMS site: http://deathrow.vistech.net/

VMS was truly revolutionary. Hardware clustering and "cloud" computing way ahead of it's time.

...one of our clients was hosting some of their databases on VMS Alpha servers until they switch to one of our x86 clusters a few years ago...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 10 June 2015, 11:21:18
try to compare macosx on a mac to linux on a mac and compare the batterie life .. your statement is rather unsolicited if you drain your power for no reasion of coures it will be faster depleated, yet there is a major difference how macosx does powermanagement on a mac vs how linux handles it .

 make statements if you know what you talk about .. else its sometimes better to keep the fingers still and say nothing at all ..

no hard feelings , yet apple invested alot in better battery management special for there own hardware ..

Ok,

Iri states you dont loose battery life when installing linux on a macbook, i beg to differ and lay out some examples, then you show up and say im wrong, it seems more like you did not read the quotes properly. and misunderstood me.

Everything you are saying is right. Im fully aware. I know apple invested alot in the power management, i know it works better in oxs than in linux that  was my point. i also said there are tools which you can use to make the battery life better by using some power mangaement tools in linux, but it will not be the same as under osx. Please dont splurge insults out without a second thought.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 10 June 2015, 12:00:25
make statements if you know what you talk about .. else its sometimes better to keep the fingers still and say nothing at all ..
Great advice. Works for me all the time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 10 June 2015, 12:23:47
make statements if you know what you talk about .. else its sometimes better to keep the fingers still and say nothing at all ..
Great advice. Works for me all the time.

I lolled
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 10 June 2015, 14:25:00
i also said there are tools which you can use to make the battery life better by using some power mangaement tools in linux, but it will not be the same as under osx.

laptop-mode-tools... *shudder*

I wonder how much of the difference is due to the hardware of the battery itself as well?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 10 June 2015, 16:57:56
Changing os doesn't change the battery hardware, I was once told.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 10 June 2015, 17:01:02
Changing os doesn't change the battery hardware, I was once told.

I was referring to different batteries as well, i.e. OSX on Mac, Linux on a fairly equivalent Dell, say.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 10 June 2015, 18:44:23
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

I was asking dude what's his machine and application. I used to wanna build a PF box, but OpenBSD is suprisingly good on laptops too.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 18:51:22
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

I was asking dude what's his machine and application. I used to wanna build a PF box, but OpenBSD is suprisingly good on laptops too.


So? ;) PF boxes are great. I love pfSense.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 10 June 2015, 18:58:48
...although OSX is technically a BSD variant...So...

People say that but its like... BSD userland & networking, franken Mach thing, the rest is basically Apple.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 10 June 2015, 19:00:47
It's definitely not stock BSD. Heavily modified.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 10 June 2015, 19:03:50
It's got what Apple calls a hybrid micro kernel whatever that means.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 10 June 2015, 19:13:09
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?

I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.

Crunchbang is a good distro, but it's no longer supported; it's still usable, but it takes a bit of work to point it at somewhere to let it actually get security updates. You could try !#++ or BunsenLabs, they're both based on the same ideas.

I found both Crunchbang and Linux Mint to be nice and friendly for transitioning to a full time linux base.

Is Lubuntu still a nice one these days, I used to like that.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 10 June 2015, 22:51:09
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...

Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;)  ...but today...

I miss VMS, too. But I doubt there are many VAX servers still in operation today. :P

I discarded my VAXen several years ago.

They worked, but the OS licence had expired, and it didn't seem worth it to keep them running.

I still have the HDDs though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smeckledorfed on Thu, 11 June 2015, 08:08:33
I'm just starting out on Linux, my boss gave me his install DVDs of Ubuntu and CentOS so I can start learning.  Been rocking Ubuntu for a couple of weeks now but am planning to give CentOS a shot next week.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Thu, 11 June 2015, 12:02:00
I played with Red Hat a bit on my dad's computer a long time ago, but I've never really used Linux since then. My current machine has two hard drive slots, so I'm finally going to install Ubuntu on a separate drive from my main (Windows) drive. I figure that I'll probably eventually be using several different distros along the line anyway, so I might as well start with the most popular one. :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:02:52
Again, why go through the trouble of separate drives and multi-booting when you can just install it as a virtual machine? It's much easier, safer, and great for testing.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:25:40
Again, why go through the trouble of separate drives and multi-booting when you can just install it as a virtual machine? It's much easier, safer, and great for testing.

Well there are some reasons, usually hardware specific reasons. Example. Try gaming on a vm. Try programming a tipro bord in a 64 bit os.

So in my world. I need windows 7 64 bit for gaming. windows 7 32 bit to program my tipro. And my main os is Arch(And no i dont want to have arch in a vm.Because windows suck :)). But for testing purposes i totally agree.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:30:21
Those are all good reasons to virtualize. So, again, I don't see the point in multi-boot for the average/casual linux user.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:32:34
...especially if they are just wanting to test an OS, which is what this thread is essentially about...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:34:00
I've tried multi-booting, but ended up with multiple workstations (currently two).

The biggest simple issue was checking emails while playing a game.  With a single multi-boot OS that was impossible.

But with two separate workstations, one for gaming and one for emails and other stuff - simple :)

Here's a thought - what we need is an interface to email apps and a means of using that from within a game.

For example in a technological FPS you'd go up to the nearest computer and check your emails.  In a non-technological FPS you'd maybe go to the nearest post office or similar to check mails.

In RPG you'd go to the nearest messenger or witch doctor or something to check emails.

Others where your character is augmented, you could have a HUD option for checking emails (in the real world).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:35:53
Another good reason to virtualize (your mail machine.)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:36:13
I plan on eventually using some form of Linux as my main OS, and I'm less interested in the ease of setting it up than I am in just learning about Linux and experiencing using it as a standalone OS. While I could run it as a virtual machine, that's not what I'll be doing farther into the future, and I usually prefer to avoid intermediate steps when they don't directly help with the final result.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:39:22
That reason doesn't make much sense since you still have to install the OS as if it was on a separate piece of hardware. It's just easier because you don't need a separate machine or have to wipe out your current set up.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:39:44
Here's a thought - what we need is an interface to email apps and a means of using that from within a game.

For example in a technological FPS you'd go up to the nearest computer and check your emails.  In a non-technological FPS you'd maybe go to the nearest post office or similar to check mails.

In RPG you'd go to the nearest messenger or witch doctor or something to check emails.

Others where your character is augmented, you could have a HUD option for checking emails (in the real world).

That sounds like it could easily lead to invasions of privacy, or at least outcry from people who think that it's an invasion of privacy even if it isn't.

That reason doesn't make much sense since you still have to install the OS as if it was on a separate piece of hardware. It's just easier because you don't need a separate machine or have to wipe out your current set up.

Yes, "as if". This is probably just me, but I'm not really a fan of "as if", and since I'm eventually going to be using it on its own piece of hardware anyway, I don't see a point in delaying that.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:42:08
Just check your mail on your phone, rowdy.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:44:08
Dual-booting is generally OK beyond the need to boot in and out to change OS, but this probably has some security benefit.

You can use Grub and go through Linux, or have 2 hard drives and change the boot order in BIOS.

Ubuntu is the most widely used, and now has a large contract with the government of China, so it is certainly not going anywhere.

My great heartaches with Ubuntu are always getting through the initial internet setup, whether wired or wireless, it always seems like hours of unecessary agony. It almost never "just works" for me, and usually takes half a dozen iterations of exchanges with people on the help forums.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:46:10
I thought you were going to dual-boot, RRH? If you are installing it on a separate machine then it doesn't matter. What do you mean "as if" and you're not a fan of "as if?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:50:09
Dual-booting is generally OK beyond the need to boot in and out to change OS, but this probably has some security benefit.

I just want to hear a valid argument for a multi-boot set up for average Joe in this era of easy virtutalization. If you are truly that concerned about security then you definitely don't want to dual-boot either. You would want a completely separate machine. 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:51:10
Here's a thought - what we need is an interface to email apps and a means of using that from within a game.

For example in a technological FPS you'd go up to the nearest computer and check your emails.  In a non-technological FPS you'd maybe go to the nearest post office or similar to check mails.

In RPG you'd go to the nearest messenger or witch doctor or something to check emails.

Others where your character is augmented, you could have a HUD option for checking emails (in the real world).

That sounds like it could easily lead to invasions of privacy, or at least outcry from people who think that it's an invasion of privacy even if it isn't.

No, it would be like using the game as an email client, except it interfaced with the email client on your game PC (with appropriate authorisation and authentication etc.).

Just check your mail on your phone, rowdy.

Way too many emails to manage that way - I've tried.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:51:43
I thought you were going to dual-boot, RRH? If you are installing it on a separate machine then it doesn't matter. What do you mean "as if" and you're not a fan of "as if?

As I said, I plan on eventually using Linux as my main (probably only) OS. At this point in time, I'm going to dual-boot with Ubuntu and Windows on separate hard drives, which is the closest thing I can get to that.

What I meant by the "as if" comment was that the real thing (running Linux directly) an an emulation of the real thing (running Linux in a virtual machine) have subtle differences that you can't really know about until you've tried both.

No, it would be like using the game as an email client, except it interfaced with the email client on your game PC (with appropriate authorisation and authentication etc.).

The problem is that any email client has the potential to do what they want with your private information, and adding each game you play to the list of email clients you use just increases the risk of one of those clients doing something you don't want. Plus, it's just another thing that game developers would need to add to each and every one their games (if they want to appeal to all audiences).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:56:17
So, you've never used VMware and you don't trust it...is basically why you don't want to do it. That's cool. I was just curious as to why. As far as *nix goes there is absolutely no difference when virtualized.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:58:23
And that is where you have me confused. If, as you say, "there is absolutely no difference when virtualized", why should anyone prefer virtualization over the alternative? The only reason you could possibly prefer one over the other is if there are differences.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:04:26
Unless you have some specific reason for not wanting to virtualize, and there are valid reasons for not wanting to do it but I have yet to hear any, there is no difference in functionality or performance for the average Linux user. Why go through the trouble of installing a separate drive, potentially losing data or the config of your "main" drive, and then have to reboot every time you want to switch between OSs when you can run multiple OSs simultaneously without even rebooting your machine?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:13:48
For me, all of my data and configuration that I'm actually interested in keeping is easily recoverable even if my entire house goes up in flames. As for the difficulty of switching between OSes, I'm more interested in learning to use Linux as Linux than I am in trying Linux out to augment my existing setup, so not being able to just instantly switch back and forth will make that easier to do.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:15:05
It's all good, man. ;) You just don't want to. I get it...now.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:35:11
Honestly, that's kind of rude. You asked me for my reasons, and I gave them to you. It's not because I "just don't want to", and I've already explained why multiple times. If you don't feel like arguing any more, then fine, don't; those kinds of belittling statements are completely unnecessary, though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:40:27
Okay, you want me to keep on going...just wanting to learn is not a valid reason for not virtualizing. You still have to install the OS (virtually) and use the OS (virtually). So, how are you missing out on learning about Linux by virtualizing?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:49:14
So, you've never used VMware and you don't trust it...is basically why you don't want to do it. That's cool. I was just curious as to why. As far as *nix goes there is absolutely no difference when virtualized.
I have personally had **** luck when trying to install any form of linux on a VM, and I always get stuck with **** resolutions as well, and it is less hassle for me to also dual boot it, I don't know why, but I have had better luck and it is easier for me to just throw it on another HDD and dual boot.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:50:31
Okay, you want me to keep on going...just wanting to learn is not a valid reason for not virtualizing. You still have to install the OS (virtually) and use the OS (virtually). So, how are you missing out on learning about Linux by virtualizing?

I said you could politely stop arguing if you want, but I guess you missed that. Anyway...

It's not that I wouldn't learn about Linux; it's that I wouldn't learn how to use Linux as if it were a standalone OS. Simply having the ability to switch back and forth between Windows and Linux in two seconds means that I would be less likely to learn to do things the right way in Linux and more likely to just fall back to doing them the way I've previously done them, in Windows.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:51:45
So, you've never used VMware and you don't trust it...is basically why you don't want to do it. That's cool. I was just curious as to why. As far as *nix goes there is absolutely no difference when virtualized.
I have personally had **** luck when trying to install any form of linux on a VM, and I always get stuck with **** resolutions as well, and it is less hassle for me to also dual boot it, I don't know why, but I have had better luck and it is easier for me to just throw it on another HDD and dual boot.

That's a valid argument. I've had that experience in the past as well, but it was years ago and with a hypervisor other than VMware. Have you tried VMware within the past few years?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 07:58:29
Okay, you want me to keep on going...just wanting to learn is not a valid reason for not virtualizing. You still have to install the OS (virtually) and use the OS (virtually). So, how are you missing out on learning about Linux by virtualizing?

I said you could politely stop arguing if you want, but I guess you missed that. Anyway...

It's not that I wouldn't learn about Linux; it's that I wouldn't learn how to use Linux as if it were a standalone OS. Simply having the ability to switch back and forth between Windows and Linux in two seconds means that I would be less likely to learn to do things the right way in Linux and more likely to just fall back to doing them the way I've previously done them, in Windows.

I really think you are cheating yourself out of learning even more about Linux and computer hardware and software in general by not virtualizing. And I'd be glad to answer any questions you have about it. There is no way to do something "right or wrong" depending on whether it's virtualized or not. It's Linux and it works the same either way. I get the feeling that you may have gotten some incorrect information somewhere. Like I said, feel free to PM me if you decide you want to try virtualizing. I'd be glad to help. 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:07:26
I really think you are cheating yourself out of learning even more about Linux and computer hardware and software in general by not virtualizing. And I'd be glad to answer any questions you have about it. There is no way to do something "right or wrong" depending on whether it's virtualized or not. It's Linux and it works the same either way. I get the feeling that you may have gotten some incorrect information somewhere. Like I said, feel free to PM me if you decide you want to try virtualizing. I'd be glad to help.

Out of curiosity, what sorts of things would I learn from virtualizing that I wouldn't learn otherwise? I've already set up and used virtual machines for things like old DOS and Windows 3 programs in the past, so the virtualization itself isn't new to me. I think I was a bit unclear earlier when talking about "right and wrong" ways to do things; the reason I'm trying out Linux at all is that, from what I've read, it can be helpful for productivity as a software developer. I'd like to try doing things "the Linux way" if only to see how effective they are compared to how I've already been doing them in Windows.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:13:46
Well, with VMs you can change the hardware configuration to specs beyond what your actual hardware supports which can be beneficial for testing your software for instance. You also have the luxury of testing out experimental drivers or other software without fear of hosing your system. You have a lot of flexibility you don't have with a "native" installation.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:16:32
Is it that you just don't trust yourself having Windows so easily accessible and you fear that you may just use Windows instead of Linux because it's what you are used to? I can certainly understand that as well.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:16:39
So, you've never used VMware and you don't trust it...is basically why you don't want to do it. That's cool. I was just curious as to why. As far as *nix goes there is absolutely no difference when virtualized.
I have personally had **** luck when trying to install any form of linux on a VM, and I always get stuck with **** resolutions as well, and it is less hassle for me to also dual boot it, I don't know why, but I have had better luck and it is easier for me to just throw it on another HDD and dual boot.

That's a valid argument. I've had that experience in the past as well, but it was years ago and with a hypervisor other than VMware. Have you tried VMware within the past few years?
I have been on and off trying different distros, with my latest try 2 months ago.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:18:35
Were you able to successfully install VMware tools, pwnnarwhal? I've had problems before dong that sometimes.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:21:58
Well, with VMs you can change the hardware configuration to specs beyond what your actual hardware supports which can be beneficial for testing your software for instance. You also have the luxury of testing out experimental drivers or other software without fear of hosing your system. You have a lot of flexibility you don't have with a "native" installation.

Very good point. However, am I correct in assuming that it would be just as easy to host those sorts of VMs from directly within Ubuntu as it would be to host them from within Windows alongside a more "generic" Ubuntu VM that I would use for most purposes?

Is it that you just don't trust yourself having Windows so easily accessible and you fear that you may just use Windows instead of Linux because it's what you are used to? I can certainly understand that as well.

It's not really a fear per se, but you're right, I don't trust myself. Those sorts of psychological effects are real and apply to everyone, so I figure that I might as well remove them to make it easier to just focus on what I want to actually do.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:26:31
Yes, you can do everything just as easily within Linux with the exception of Windows gaming (in a VM). That's been changing a lot recently and will likely be just as good as a native install soon. As for the not trusting yourself, I totally understand. That's why I go a blank keyboard when I decided I had to learn to type properly.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:27:56
*got.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:30:34
Yeah, Valve's support of Linux (and Ubuntu specifically) will only speed up the improvement of gaming on Linux. :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:49:30
Is it that you just don't trust yourself having Windows so easily accessible and you fear that you may just use Windows instead of Linux because it's what you are used to? I can certainly understand that as well.

This has always been my main issue with virtualization. I know which OS is native, and for some reason mentally, I would tend to use the native OS over the virtualized one.

What I do now is set up whichever OS I want to try on a dedicated machine for it. I have plenty of hardware, so finding a testbed is not really a problem. If I want to try #!, I turn my Windows machine off and stick to using the #! machine for a week.



***
Right now I'm forcing myself to use a Chromebox at home. I think for most people, who only use a computer for things like webmail, Facebook, YouTube, etc., a Chromebox or Chromebook is a perfectly usable option. The OS updates automatically, isn't really a target for viruses, and you can use web apps exactly like you would on Windows. You are supposed to keep all your storage in the cloud, so the tiny SSD is all you really need. Now, of course, Google wants you tied to their ecosystem, so things like Gmail, Google Drive, Docs, Sheets, and Slides are all integrated, and you do need a Google account to log in to the OS. But you can log in as Guest to get around that. And you can easily use Microsoft's online versions of Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and OneNote instead of the Google apps, if you prefer, and store your files in OneDrive. Or Dropbox. You are limited to using the Chrome browser, but many people use that as a matter of preference, regardless of OS. Heck, I can even do CAD modeling in TinkerCAD. :P

Now, with Chrome OS, if you lose your internet connection, you can do a few things in offline mode, but you are very limited. However, to many people today, a computer is simply an appliance for delivering the internet. These cheap little Chrome OS devices are perfectly capable of delivering that experience to the casual user.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:15:13
Here's what I would consider valid reasons not to virtualize.

1) If your host installation or hard drive is corrupted, or fails, it breaks all of your installations.
2) You are subjecting your environment to the overhead of running two operating systems. Essentially, all the resources you spend on the host are wasted in that you can't use them for the actual tasks you're running in the virtual system. This is much more of a problem the older the machine is -- laptops from as new as a couple years ago may only have 2-4GB of RAM.
3) It's more complicated for the user to set up. I would say that it's much easier to choose an OS from a menu at boot time than have to learn how to manage virtual machines. Navigating hardware passthrough for virtual machines has been somewhat tricky in my experience.
4) Gaming is much more difficult on a virtual machine.
5) It forces one to give the new OS a more full-fledged try, without the temptation of just doing all the work in the host.

And some valid reasons to virtualize.

1) Portability. You can move a virtual OS between hosts and it should work essentially the same.
2) Ease of testing. If you just want to play with something briefly, it's often not worth rebooting. Likewise if you want to test a program, test an OS, virtualization can be useful.
3) Ability to switch between several different systems at will.

Now, not all of these arguments are necessarily valuable for any one person. For an average consumer, I don't think that running many different OSs in VMs is necessarily useful to a consumer. Personally, I would run one host and one VM, and when I'm done with that VM (after days, months, whatever), I will either set it aside or blow it away. I'll then install the next OS I want to test out. Unless one has a powerful system, and can run multiple VMs at a time with decent system resources, the need to switch between VMs becomes essentially like dual booting again, only without a power cycle.

When I built up my OS, I did a minimal install of Debian Jessie, and added only the packages I needed to make the system work the way I wanted it to. The result was a very slim, very lightweight OS that allowed me access to the maximum of hardware resources. Running such a system as a VM on top of Windows would eliminate the benefit of a slim OS by requiring me to run Windows, which is a bit of a resource hog. I have tried using VMs for gaming in the past, and it hasn't worked, so unless I've missed some major revolution in VMs in the past couple of years, it necessitates either a separate system or a dual-boot setup to allow me to game. It would also be nice to have a separate system for the purposes of gaming, to eliminate the need to dual-boot, but a second system unfortunately isn't financially feasible for me at the moment.

I agree that a dual-boot setup isn't ideal for someone who splits their time relatively evenly between two or more environments. You do spend a lot of time rebooting that way. But personally, when the only time I make it into Windows is to play a game, the extra 20-30 seconds of boot time both booting into Windows and back into Linux afterwards is worth not having to deal with the overhead of Windows the other 99% of the time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:53:07
Maybe we should start a separate Virtualization thread?

I'm a big fan of virtualization if you couldn't tell ;), but I also know there are limitations. I have to say that I'm a little surprised at the lack of enthusiasm from what I consider a "techie" site.

user 18:

1. That has nothing to do with virtualization. If you have hd/fs problems then you will have problems with your host machine as well.
2. Not an issue for modern machines.
3. What? Managing  VMs is as easy as managing tabs in a browser.
4. True. If you are a serious gamer you definitely need to have a native install of Windows. Now there have been some really good improvements in graphics support with WMware in the last year or two. So, if you are a more casual gamer then you will probably be happy with a Windows VM if you use VMware Workstation on a modern PC with a fairly recent graphics card.
5. True (if you don't have another PC with your old OS close by ;))

The main things I love about virtualization are the ability to test and the ability to restore and migrate machines to different hardware and software platforms. You also have the ability to have separate machines for specific tasks or for running software that is no longer supported. There are tons of reasons to run VMs.

The biggest problem I see people run into when they try virtualization is that they want to use a free hypervisor like Virtualbox or KVM and there is huge difference between those and VMware. I've tried them all and they just don't compare. If you do want to try it out do yourself a favor and use VMware Workstation or Fusion. 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:54:09
VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:56:08
VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.

RMS, is that you? :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:56:38
VMware sounds great, if only I didn't have to spend money to get it. :(
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:59:18
VMware sounds great, if only I didn't have to spend money to get it. :(

That's it's main drawback. I don't think it's that much though. Maybe $80 for Windows/Linux and $50 for Mac?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 10:01:07
Wow, it's gone up in price. It's just under $200 for Workstation and it's still ~$50 for Mac. I get it through my company so I wasn't sure about the price.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 13 June 2015, 10:05:33
VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.

RMS, is that you? :p
I have basic understanding why Linux has been successful (hint: GNU GPLv2), I'm not ignorant to ethical issues, and I'm not a shill. This apparently isn't true for everyone in this thread.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 10:10:12
VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.

RMS, is that you? :p
I have basic understanding why Linux has been successful (hint: GNU GPLv2), I'm not ignorant to ethical issues, and I'm not a shill. This apparently isn't true for everyone in this thread.

I just assume everything I read is gospel without knowing all sides of the story or waiting for a case to go to trial to see what evidence is presented, but that's just me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sat, 13 June 2015, 10:23:19
I was not aware that VMware was so expensive. If, as smknjoe says, the free "alternatives" really aren't good enough, that in itself is a big reason for me, personally, not to use a VM for something that I am doing due in no small part to the fact that it's free (installing Linux).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 10:32:27
VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.

RMS, is that you? :p
I have basic understanding why Linux has been successful (hint: GNU GPLv2), I'm not ignorant to ethical issues, and I'm not a shill. This apparently isn't true for everyone in this thread.

I really can't believe that you are calling me a stupid, amoral, shill. You are a real douche. I don't work for VMware. I've been in the hosting business for a while now and it's the standard for a reason...it's easy to use and it "just works".
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 10:53:22
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1. That has nothing to do with virtualization. If you have hd/fs problems then you will have problems with your host machine as well.
My point is that if one drive fails, you still have a running drive. If you're doing windows updates and have a power failure, that can potentially bork up the install. With a dual boot system, I can boot into my second OS and carry on until I've fixed the Windows error. If my second OS is virtualized, I need to invest the time to fix the host boot drive before I can continue doing any work on that machine. Yes not directly related, but I would say still applicable.

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2. Not an issue for modern machines.
I agree, however not all of us are blessed with modern machines. My newest x86 hardware is a 2-3 year old laptop, my newest desktop hardware (core system) is at least 6 years old at this point. It still does what I need it to do, so I don't see a need to upgrade. Many others are in the same situation, either for financial reasons or for simply wanting to run hardware into the ground. Much cheaper to pick up a second disk for dual boot than to execute an entire platform upgrade. Definitely cheaper to pick up a disk for dual boot than to pay for VMware.

I would also say how much of an issue the overhead is depends on how much you're trying to do in the VM. If you're editing high-resolution photos, applying image transformations and filters, you may need all the memory you can get. Additional overhead might not be acceptable in that situation.

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3. What? Managing  VMs is as easy as managing tabs in a browser.
Once the setup has been completed, I agree. Determining allocation of resources, installing virtualization tools, etc. is a little more complicated than hitting the new tab button. Your response does not address my concerns regarding hardware passthrough.

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4. True. If you are a serious gamer you definitely need to have a native install of Windows. Now there have been some really good improvements in graphics support with WMware in the last year or two. So, if you are a more casual gamer then you will probably be happy with a Windows VM if you use VMware Workstation on a modern PC with a fairly recent graphics card.
That may be true. I concede that improvements may make casual gaming possible using VMware possible. At that point, it would be a decision between the ~30 seconds less of gaming per session (for a casual gamer, probably only a few times a month) versus the initial financial investment into virtualization software.

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5. True (if you don't have another PC with your old OS close by ;))
It makes a difference to me even when I have another machine with the old OS on my desk. I'm already using this machine, I may as well continue to use it. I concede that it may not be as simple for some people or personality types.

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The main things I love about virtualization are the ability to test and the ability to restore and migrate machines to different hardware and software platforms. You also have the ability to have separate machines for specific tasks or for running software that is no longer supported. There are tons of reasons to run VMs.
These are definitely good reasons, some of which I mentioned in my previous post. However, several of these concepts go beyond the concept of simply replacing a dual boot environment and confound the issue. I do not deny that virtualization has its benefits, I am simply arguing that virtualization is not superior in all cases to a dual-boot environment. These particular advantages can apply to a dual boot environment as well, perhaps even using the same virtual machines on both hosts. Granted, if one is splitting every task into a VM, there would not be need for a dual-boot environment.

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The biggest problem I see people run into when they try virtualization is that they want to use a free hypervisor like Virtualbox or KVM and there is huge difference between those and VMware. I've tried them all and they just don't compare. If you do want to try it out do yourself a favor and use VMware Workstation or Fusion.
The main draw of Linux for a casual user, in my experience, is based on two factors. The first factor is that it is an alternative to Windows that can be legally installed on their current PC, regardless of age or hardware limitations. The second factor is that it is a free alternative. Paying for virtualization software is significantly more expensive than a second hard drive (cheap SSDs can be found in the $50 range, as can 1TB HDDs), which could have use even if the user decides they don't like the other OS. It's also possible that one might have a HDD left over from an old system that they could use for free. Previewing posts tells me that this concern has already been addressed by some, but I will leave this response for completness' sake.


If you want a thread discussing virtualization, it's easy enough to start one of your own. This sort of discussion might be better suited for such a thread, the primary purpose of this thread is to discuss linux setups in general, rather than dual-boot setups.


VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.

RMS, is that you? :p
I have basic understanding why Linux has been successful (hint: GNU GPLv2), I'm not ignorant to ethical issues, and I'm not a shill. This apparently isn't true for everyone in this thread.

I really can't believe that you are calling me a stupid, amoral, shill. You are a real douche. I don't work for VMware. I've been in the hosting business for a while now and it's the standard for a reason...it's easy to use and it "just works".

Let's all watch the personal attacks, hm? No need for throwing names around.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 11:09:19
If davkol's reply wasn't a personal attack, and totally uncalled for, then I don't know what is. It's not like I'm new around here.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 11:12:58
If davkol's reply wasn't a personal attack, and totally uncalled for, then I don't know what is. It's not like I'm new around here.

That was directed to the both of you. If you feel you've been attacked, there's no need to respond in the same fashion.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 13 June 2015, 11:20:10
This virtualisation thing is sounding rather intriguing.  I played around with it years ago using the free version of VMWare which wasn't supposed to support installing OSes but if you edited some text files you could.  I installed Windows in it under Linux to reverse engineer a USB driver.

Usually I just try an OS/distro on my main system and when it inevitably goes wrong I move on to the next, but perhaps I should try and make a stable install and experiment virtually.  No need for games so I'm sure an open source alternative would be quite capable of running a second OS even on my ageing desktop (i7 2600k with 16gb)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 13 June 2015, 16:22:48

My point is that if one drive fails, you still have a running drive.
With a dual boot system, I can boot into my second OS and carry on until I've fixed the Windows error.

The second factor is that it is a free alternative.

a second hard drive (cheap SSDs can be found in the $50 range, as can 1TB HDDs), which could have use

It's also possible that one might have a HDD left over from an old system that they could use for free.


For me, as a beginner, these were factors.

I would love to move away from Microsoft to free and open source software, eventually. I use LibreOffice almost exclusively now, and I am solid enough in Gimp that I did not even re-install Photoshop Elements after my last format/re-install.

And I have a pile of old small-ish hard drives sitting around.

One secondary, but important, consideration is the possibility of a virus or malware attack on my Windows install.
With an alternate OS, I can probably find a side door or back door that may let me fix something.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 13 June 2015, 22:31:17
There's been too many replies to comments above, but my input is as follows.

I've been using VirtualBox for a while on both Windows and Mac hosts.  I virtualise Windows, Linux and BSD guests.  Windows and Linux guests have "guest additions" which are basically a bunch of drivers provided by Oracle to install in VirtualBox guests to allow mouse/keyboard sharing, clipboard sharing, USB pass-through, better video support, experimental DirectX support (or something like that, I've only tried it once with Windows 7 to get Aero working).  No such drivers for BSD (FreeBSD/NetBSD), so most of those features are missing, which didn't bother me.

If you virtualise only what you need to, then the VM image doesn't need to be that big.  One huge benefit is that you can backup the VM image, and restore/import it onto a different host and just continue from when the VM was backupped.  You don't have driver issues in the virtual guest (which is a huge problem on Windows).  The only potential problem is whether the VM software allows you to create a backup of a running VM.

At work we are moving to a virtualised solution.  We have acquired a couple of fairly decent servers, and are getting a NAS.  Both servers have duel drives in RAID 1 for the host OS, which will be XenServer.  The VM images will live on the NA, which will have 4 drives in RAID 10.  XenServer allows you to create a snapshot of a running VM, and then create a VM template based on a snapshot, so at any time you can create a new VM based on that template.  XenServer supports live migration, where a running VM can be migrated to another XenServer host in the same pool with no outage.  It also supports load balancing, but only in the paid version (we are starting off with the free version).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 22:59:33
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

I've got it running on an ESXi box - and I'm using it for some dev/testing...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:04:09
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?

I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.

Think of #! as sort of a minimalist distro- but last word was that dev on it was going to stop (ie the project was dying)- I think I remember reading about a fork of the project, but last I heard it's gone...too bad...

Depends on what you want to do with your distro-  If you want ease of use and out of the box functionality, give Mint with a lightweight WM a try-  If you are looking for a security based distro (ala pentest) then give Kali a try.  If you want good visuals, Elementary has some great devs behind it...

For real fun, set up a virtualized environment, and give the top 10 distros over at distro watch a spin (skipping all the Ubuntu variants for variety...) 

And if you're in for the long haul, do the work and learn to build Arch properly.  That's actually a good investment of your time if you want to learn more about how Linux works.  Or go all out and just do a roll your own (several guides online)

Enjoy.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:07:15
What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

Not always the case.  OpenBSD is one of the most secure OSes out of the box, and many people run FreeBSD as a desktop-  to the point there are even variants now for ease of install, like PCBSD and Firefly...

If you are doing network 'development' the stacks on BSD are generally superior.  Run masscan on a BSD box ;)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:08:15
I did some of my first hacking/exploring on a VAX.  We used to use the VAX to keep warm in the winter ;)

Those were the days...


What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...

Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;)  ...but today...

I miss VMS, too. But I doubt there are many VAX servers still in operation today. :P
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:09:24
Technically it's a hybrid.  Mach kernel.  It's more like a Frankenstein OS, with different parts sewn together, and given life :)

What do you run openbsd on,  and what do you use it for just curious.

BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.

I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...

Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;)  ...but today...

I miss VMS, too. But I doubt there are many VAX servers still in operation today. :P
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:13:17
Were you able to successfully install VMware tools, pwnnarwhal? I've had problems before dong that sometimes.

This can be an issue depending on the system. ..if you are on a Linux system, there are open source VMware tools now, heck VMWare even suggests you install them when you go to install via their environment....

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:18:22
Sorry for all the replies, was trying to catch up with the tread, and was responding as I was reading...

Interesting to see some of the thoughts about virtualization here-

A few comments- 

You can get VMWare player for free.  Many distros offer a pre-packaged VM of their os.

You can get VirtualBox for free.

It's a great way to do testing/development, and if you're at all interested in certain kinds of research it's essential.

More of the world is virtualized than you realize. 

If anyone has any issues trying out playing with VMs I'm happy to help.

(For real fun: Take a host machine, run a VM inside of it, and run another VM inside of that.  Talk about Inception! :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:21:49
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?

I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.

Think of #! as sort of a minimalist distro- but last word was that dev on it was going to stop (ie the project was dying)- I think I remember reading about a fork of the project, but last I heard it's gone...too bad...

#! is meant was a minimal yet fully-featured distro. Lightweight, but with all of the programs its maintainer felt were required for a production-ready system.

#! itself is no longer being maintained, but multiple projects are attempting to continue in the same vein. Take a look at #!++ and BunsenLabs if you're interested in the niche #! used to fill.


The rest of your advice looks to be pretty solid.


There's been too many replies to comments above, but my input is as follows.

I've been using VirtualBox for a while on both Windows and Mac hosts.  I virtualise Windows, Linux and BSD guests.  Windows and Linux guests have "guest additions" which are basically a bunch of drivers provided by Oracle to install in VirtualBox guests to allow mouse/keyboard sharing, clipboard sharing, USB pass-through, better video support, experimental DirectX support (or something like that, I've only tried it once with Windows 7 to get Aero working).  No such drivers for BSD (FreeBSD/NetBSD), so most of those features are missing, which didn't bother me.

If you virtualise only what you need to, then the VM image doesn't need to be that big.  One huge benefit is that you can backup the VM image, and restore/import it onto a different host and just continue from when the VM was backupped.  You don't have driver issues in the virtual guest (which is a huge problem on Windows).  The only potential problem is whether the VM software allows you to create a backup of a running VM.

At work we are moving to a virtualised solution.  We have acquired a couple of fairly decent servers, and are getting a NAS.  Both servers have duel drives in RAID 1 for the host OS, which will be XenServer.  The VM images will live on the NA, which will have 4 drives in RAID 10.  XenServer allows you to create a snapshot of a running VM, and then create a VM template based on a snapshot, so at any time you can create a new VM based on that template.  XenServer supports live migration, where a running VM can be migrated to another XenServer host in the same pool with no outage.  It also supports load balancing, but only in the paid version (we are starting off with the free version).

VirtualBox is what I've used most for virtualization. I have no severe complaints about it. Guest additions are definitely a huge benefit. It's always served me well for playing with things, testing release previews, etc. In my experience, it hasn't been as snappy as running the same OS on the hardware directly, but that probably has more to do with reduced resources than the software itself.

That sounds like a very intriguing setup. I assume it would be used for testing and development work that will benefit from everyone in the team having access to the same snapshots. I'd be interested in hearing how well XenServer is working for you, once you have a bit more experience with it.

Side note -- I can't look at 'Xen' without thinking about Half-Life.

Sorry for all the replies, was trying to catch up with the tread, and was responding as I was reading...


In future, you can edit your post rather than posting 7x in a row. If you see multiple posts you want to respond to, hit the multiquote button on each, and the regular quote on the last post you wish to reply to, you should be able to quote them all in the same reply.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:30:02
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?

I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.

Think of #! as sort of a minimalist distro- but last word was that dev on it was going to stop (ie the project was dying)- I think I remember reading about a fork of the project, but last I heard it's gone...too bad...

#! is meant was a minimal yet fully-featured distro. Lightweight, but with all of the programs its maintainer felt were required for a production-ready system.

#! itself is no longer being maintained, but multiple projects are attempting to continue in the same vein. Take a look at #!++ and BunsenLabs if you're interested in the niche #! used to fill.


The rest of your advice looks to be pretty solid.


There's been too many replies to comments above, but my input is as follows.

I've been using VirtualBox for a while on both Windows and Mac hosts.  I virtualise Windows, Linux and BSD guests.  Windows and Linux guests have "guest additions" which are basically a bunch of drivers provided by Oracle to install in VirtualBox guests to allow mouse/keyboard sharing, clipboard sharing, USB pass-through, better video support, experimental DirectX support (or something like that, I've only tried it once with Windows 7 to get Aero working).  No such drivers for BSD (FreeBSD/NetBSD), so most of those features are missing, which didn't bother me.

If you virtualise only what you need to, then the VM image doesn't need to be that big.  One huge benefit is that you can backup the VM image, and restore/import it onto a different host and just continue from when the VM was backupped.  You don't have driver issues in the virtual guest (which is a huge problem on Windows).  The only potential problem is whether the VM software allows you to create a backup of a running VM.

At work we are moving to a virtualised solution.  We have acquired a couple of fairly decent servers, and are getting a NAS.  Both servers have duel drives in RAID 1 for the host OS, which will be XenServer.  The VM images will live on the NA, which will have 4 drives in RAID 10.  XenServer allows you to create a snapshot of a running VM, and then create a VM template based on a snapshot, so at any time you can create a new VM based on that template.  XenServer supports live migration, where a running VM can be migrated to another XenServer host in the same pool with no outage.  It also supports load balancing, but only in the paid version (we are starting off with the free version).

VirtualBox is what I've used most for virtualization. I have no severe complaints about it. Guest additions are definitely a huge benefit. It's always served me well for playing with things, testing release previews, etc. In my experience, it hasn't been as snappy as running the same OS on the hardware directly, but that probably has more to do with reduced resources than the software itself.

That sounds like a very intriguing setup. I assume it would be used for testing and development work that will benefit from everyone in the team having access to the same snapshots. I'd be interested in hearing how well XenServer is working for you, once you have a bit more experience with it.

Side note -- I can't look at 'Xen' without thinking about Half-Life.

Sorry for all the replies, was trying to catch up with the tread, and was responding as I was reading...


In future, you can edit your post rather than posting 7x in a row. If you see multiple posts you want to respond to, hit the multiquote button on each, and the regular quote on the last post you wish to reply to, you should be able to quote them all in the same reply.

No problem.  Sorry about that (I know better)- Just enjoy the topic.

#! was from the UK was it not?  I ran it for a while.  I enjoyed it. 

I think there's an ArchBang now...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 23:36:25

No problem.  Sorry about that (I know better)- Just enjoy the topic.

#! was from the UK was it not?  I ran it for a while.  I enjoyed it. 

I think there's an ArchBang now...

#! was the work of Phillip Newborough, AKA Corenominal. Not sure where he's from in particular, but perhaps Google would know. I always thought it was impressive that he maintained the distro all by himself, even if it was drawing heavily from Debian. I think part of the reason he stopped maintaining #! was because he wasn't using it himself anymore, and it must be an awful lot of effort to maintain everything on your own like that.

I think there's a couple Arch-based distros in the same vein as well, I only know of #!++ because #!'s dev posted about it, and BunsenLabs because it's being built by the #! forum community.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 14 June 2015, 00:24:18
VirtualBox is what I've used most for virtualization. I have no severe complaints about it. Guest additions are definitely a huge benefit. It's always served me well for playing with things, testing release previews, etc. In my experience, it hasn't been as snappy as running the same OS on the hardware directly, but that probably has more to do with reduced resources than the software itself.

That sounds like a very intriguing setup. I assume it would be used for testing and development work that will benefit from everyone in the team having access to the same snapshots. I'd be interested in hearing how well XenServer is working for you, once you have a bit more experience with it.

Side note -- I can't look at 'Xen' without thinking about Half-Life.

Haven't got that far yet.  The servers have been delivered, and the two delivery boxes are currently sitting in the office.

Not sure if anyone has ordered the NAS yet - there was some confusion over who was going to order it and from where.

The idea is to replace 4 somewhat underutilised physical servers with the 2 new servers, virtualising the services in the process.

Then to use additional capacity on the servers for R&D purposes.

Maybe eventually to virtualise the developers' workstations, but at the moment most of us use Windows, and the licencing requirements to run that in a VM are silly, to say the least.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RedRoboHood on Sun, 14 June 2015, 17:26:16
I installed Ubuntu today, and everything works perfectly! I know, it's a small victory, but hey, I'm excited. I'm enjoying Linux already. :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vizir on Mon, 15 June 2015, 08:20:42
Linux Mint on my workstations. Mix of RedHat Enterprise and CentOS servers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 15 June 2015, 08:48:44
I installed Ubuntu today, and everything works perfectly! I know, it's a small victory, but hey, I'm excited. I'm enjoying Linux already. :)

This is really the point of Ubuntu. It just works, pretty much every time. People can disparage it all they want for being a corporate distro, but IMO Canonical has done more to spread Linux to the desktop than anyone else.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Blaise170 on Mon, 15 June 2015, 14:20:30
The only real complaint I ever had with Ubuntu was Unity and later the adware. That's why I switched to Linux Mint as it was an improved version of Ubuntu without the ugly interface. People complained about Metro on Win8 but I thought Unity was much worse.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 15 June 2015, 14:26:38
The only real complaint I ever had with Ubuntu was Unity and later the adware. That's why I switched to Linux Mint as it was an improved version of Ubuntu without the ugly interface. People complained about Metro on Win8 but I thought Unity was much worse.

Unity is not great, but then you don't have to use it. With Win 8, Metro is forced on you, and to a lesser extent in Win 8.1. But with Ubuntu, you can always install Gnome, Gnome Flashback, KDE, XFCE, or whatever you like. Having an underlying system that works 100% at install is great. By extension, Mint would also be great, as it's based on Ubuntu (or Debian).

I really think Canonical looked at the popularity of netbooks at the time as a sign on things to come, and designed the Unity UI to work with netbooks. Enter the iPad, and netbooks are all but dead.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: nephiel on Mon, 15 June 2015, 14:45:15
Custom #!-gone-debian here. I like my OS lightweight and snappy.

Sadly, most distros today come by default with stuff that 1) I don't really need and 2) tends to cause more trouble than it's worth: unity, pulseaudio, systemd...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 16 June 2015, 06:46:01
IMO Canonical has done more to spread Linux to the desktop than anyone else.
Now it's their time to step aside :p

(http://i.imgur.com/RSr0jRF.png?1)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Tue, 16 June 2015, 13:10:47
Manjaro (OpenRC spin), Gentoo (OpenRC), Void (runit) and Slackware are 4 alternatives to systemd distros. I don't think any of the other alternatives are quite as functional right now. Void is the freshest one of those and comes with a very attractive set of perks, so I'm gonna try that one next.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 16 June 2015, 14:19:32
Manjaro (OpenRC spin), Gentoo (OpenRC), Void (runit) and Slackware are 4 alternatives to systemd distros. I don't think any of the other alternatives are quite as functional right now.
why are you ruling out PCLinuxOS?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Tue, 16 June 2015, 15:25:46
I just never looked at it, TBH. Looks like a user-friendly alternative. Not sure if I'd go back to an 'easy desktop' distro after I've enjoyed a lean Arch install on my old laptop, but it's good to know that beginners can still get there without the systemd stank.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 16 June 2015, 17:45:13
right now I'm experimenting with windows 10 preview and KolibriOS on my test laptop (neither of which is linux, but its' quite the diverse combination!). mint XFCE on one of my "main" computers since !# support was dropped. I have probably used !# more than any other distro, for about 2 years. I wasn't aware of bunsen and !#++ until user18 told me, I will probably switch to one of those once they become more concrete.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Stargorn on Tue, 16 June 2015, 18:26:05
I'm using Linux mint but have been working up the courage to try arch for a while. While I love mint, I love the idea of building from the ground up more.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 16 June 2015, 21:37:41
Arch is not difficult at all. Time consuming to setup, maybe, but not difficult. Just follow the instructions and you're golden. And since you install everything, you know what is installed, why it's installed, and what it does. And how to remove it if you don't need or want it.

Sometimes it is just easier to have someone else make those install time decisions for you, and that's why you have your simple but bloated popular distros.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vizir on Tue, 16 June 2015, 22:11:37
Arch is not difficult at all. Time consuming to setup, maybe, but not difficult. Just follow the instructions and you're golden. And since you install everything, you know what is installed, why it's installed, and what it does. And how to remove it if you don't need or want it.

Sometimes it is just easier to have someone else make those install time decisions for you, and that's why you have your simple but bloated popular distros.
Pretty much. Everything from Windows to MenuetOS. What I mean is, you have everything from every possible hardware and software combination to the absolute minimalist hardware/software combination!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Tue, 16 June 2015, 22:35:17
I'm using Linux mint but have been working up the courage to try arch for a while. While I love mint, I love the idea of building from the ground up more.

I think a lot of the stigma of the "difficulty" of arch is that some of its more prominent/outspoken members can be real elitist *******s. this is definitely a minority, in my experience, but they do pop up now and  then.

just fire up a VM, practice in there, and use the arch wiki. I almost never have to post on the forums anymore. what really makes arch amazing, to me, is its package manager - fast, written in C, and by a Canadian to boot.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 16 June 2015, 23:47:58
I'm using Linux mint but have been working up the courage to try arch for a while. While I love mint, I love the idea of building from the ground up more.

I think a lot of the stigma of the "difficulty" of arch is that some of its more prominent/outspoken members can be real elitist *******s. this is definitely a minority, in my experience, but they do pop up now and  then.

just fire up a VM, practice in there, and use the arch wiki. I almost never have to post on the forums anymore. what really makes arch amazing, to me, is its package manager - fast, written in C, and by a Canadian to boot.

Arch wiki is beautiful no matter what distro you're using, really. Ton of good info there.

Arch is also somewhat intimidating because it starts you with a command line and nothing else. Someone reasonably comfortable with another distro and using the terminal already shouldn't be put off by that too much, but I'd still call it a factor.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 17 June 2015, 00:39:26
I'm using Linux mint but have been working up the courage to try arch for a while. While I love mint, I love the idea of building from the ground up more.

I think a lot of the stigma of the "difficulty" of arch is that some of its more prominent/outspoken members can be real elitist *******s. this is definitely a minority, in my experience, but they do pop up now and  then.

just fire up a VM, practice in there, and use the arch wiki. I almost never have to post on the forums anymore. what really makes arch amazing, to me, is its package manager - fast, written in C, and by a Canadian to boot.

Arch wiki is beautiful no matter what distro you're using, really. Ton of good info there.

Arch is also somewhat intimidating because it starts you with a command line and nothing else. Someone reasonably comfortable with another distro and using the terminal already shouldn't be put off by that too much, but I'd still call it a factor.

I found Arch mostly fine, but because I wanted something up and running quickly, I simply did not have the time to read all of the necessary reference material.

But for those that do have the time - it is great!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Blaise170 on Wed, 17 June 2015, 02:43:04
I like the prospect of Arch and I'm good in the Debian based terminals, but I've not worked up the desire to try to actually use Arch. Typically I don't keep Linux installed long enough to make it worth my time, though I do want to try it out someday. I typically program in Windows and I get a lot of crap for it from others who think OSX is the best, but I use Cygwin which is a great alternative to an entirely different OS. I just want something that works without having to deal with multibooting.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 17 June 2015, 03:04:13
I like the prospect of Arch and I'm good in the Debian based terminals, but I've not worked up the desire to try to actually use Arch. Typically I don't keep Linux installed long enough to make it worth my time, though I do want to try it out someday. I typically program in Windows and I get a lot of crap for it from others who think OSX is the best, but I use Cygwin which is a great alternative to an entirely different OS. I just want something that works without having to deal with multibooting.

You sound like an archer. ;) Why do you choose to stay in windows? Ive been coding in all three oses you have mentioned. Depending on what you are coding(if not x platform stuff, or visual studio) nix is by far the smoothest.

I prefer using VIM for most of my coding(everything except java). i do some java in IntelliJ. The rest of the stuff invloved in programming like version control, building etc are done in the terminal when youve done this a couple of times you get more effective, more so than clicking around in version control guis and click builders. You learn how to use buildflags in proper ways and so on.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Blaise170 on Wed, 17 June 2015, 03:42:11
You sound like an archer. ;) Why do you choose to stay in windows? Ive been coding in all three oses you have mentioned. Depending on what you are coding(if not x platform stuff, or visual studio) nix is by far the smoothest.

I prefer using VIM for most of my coding(everything except java). i do some java in IntelliJ. The rest of the stuff invloved in programming like version control, building etc are done in the terminal when youve done this a couple of times you get more effective, more so than clicking around in version control guis and click builders. You learn how to use buildflags in proper ways and so on.

Well I do most of my coding on my laptop which is running Win8. I have three disks, a 16GB SSD,  500GB HDD, and 250GB HDD. I can't normally see the SSD because of the way Win8 is setup as my laptop cold boots to the login screen in about 8 seconds or so. I don't want to mess with dual/multiboot in that sense.

I also work IT so I have to be able to do things in Windows and I'd prefer to stay on my laptop than switching back and forth to the all in one at the helpdesk. Also whenever there is downtime I game on Steam and not enough games are on Linux yet. I also use OneDrive for all of my documents and such, which isn't all that good for Linux. Overall, I think it is a good prospect, but it just doesn't work for me currently.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 17 June 2015, 03:51:30
Manjaro (OpenRC spin), Gentoo (OpenRC), Void (runit) and Slackware are 4 alternatives to systemd distros. I don't think any of the other alternatives are quite as functional right now. Void is the freshest one of those and comes with a very attractive set of perks, so I'm gonna try that one next.

void is awesome. runit is awesome! if you've used arch + aur you will probably not have a hard time getting used to void, but there aren't a ton of packages right now.
i just switched my work machine from debian wheezy to void and so far i really like it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 17 June 2015, 03:57:08
Anybody tried NixOS?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 17 June 2015, 04:10:33
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 17 June 2015, 04:32:55
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)
I guess you're right :))
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 17 June 2015, 05:56:09
You sound like an archer. ;) Why do you choose to stay in windows? Ive been coding in all three oses you have mentioned. Depending on what you are coding(if not x platform stuff, or visual studio) nix is by far the smoothest.

I prefer using VIM for most of my coding(everything except java). i do some java in IntelliJ. The rest of the stuff invloved in programming like version control, building etc are done in the terminal when youve done this a couple of times you get more effective, more so than clicking around in version control guis and click builders. You learn how to use buildflags in proper ways and so on.

Well I do most of my coding on my laptop which is running Win8. I have three disks, a 16GB SSD,  500GB HDD, and 250GB HDD. I can't normally see the SSD because of the way Win8 is setup as my laptop cold boots to the login screen in about 8 seconds or so. I don't want to mess with dual/multiboot in that sense.

I also work IT so I have to be able to do things in Windows and I'd prefer to stay on my laptop than switching back and forth to the all in one at the helpdesk. Also whenever there is downtime I game on Steam and not enough games are on Linux yet. I also use OneDrive for all of my documents and such, which isn't all that good for Linux. Overall, I think it is a good prospect, but it just doesn't work for me currently.

THen you have  agreat oppurtunity to virtulaize. Im in the same situation at work. I need windows in order to get into the VPN. The host checker forces windows and windows encryption. SO i got a laptop with 32 gb ram :) have a running VM with ARCH
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 17 June 2015, 06:05:34
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)

STH IS BACK????
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 17 June 2015, 06:12:37
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)

STH IS BACK????

osi has 1000 posts? :confused:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: osi on Wed, 17 June 2015, 06:19:12
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)

STH IS BACK????

osi has 1000 posts? :confused:

:D :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: thefebruaryman on Wed, 17 June 2015, 12:59:11
Just a shout out to those that talked about ARCH, never tried it before and have fallen for it. Awesome distro. Cheers all
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 17 June 2015, 15:16:23
Just a shout out to those that talked about ARCH, never tried it before and have fallen for it. Awesome distro. Cheers all
Welcome, bruh :cool:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: henz on Wed, 17 June 2015, 15:22:14
Just a shout out to those that talked about ARCH, never tried it before and have fallen for it. Awesome distro. Cheers all

(http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/291262i9000F3EA42C812BD/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 17 June 2015, 15:23:04
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)

STH IS BACK????


i've been creepin around :)

like a :llama:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 17 June 2015, 17:08:01
Many arch users here. Anyone tried to replace systemd with OpenRC or something?

I want a distributive which is 1) not Gentoo 2) can be run without systemd 3) allows fine tuning. My ultimate goal is working all day on a single charge.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: 1o57 on Wed, 17 June 2015, 17:55:35
I kind of collect OSes, like a fish tank but with VMs instead of fish.  It's kind of a hobby.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Wed, 17 June 2015, 23:22:20
Many arch users here. Anyone tried to replace systemd with OpenRC or something?

I want a distributive which is 1) not Gentoo 2) can be run without systemd 3) allows fine tuning. My ultimate goal is working all day on a single charge.

Check out the two stickies with Manjaro OpenRC spins (https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?board=50.0).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Thu, 18 June 2015, 00:14:32
Many arch users here. Anyone tried to replace systemd with OpenRC or something?

I want a distributive which is 1) not Gentoo 2) can be run without systemd 3) allows fine tuning. My ultimate goal is working all day on a single charge.

void linux!!! it feels like the olden days of arch (in a good way), it's fast, it uses runit and it has a ports collection.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 18 June 2015, 09:47:42
Many arch users here. Anyone tried to replace systemd with OpenRC or something?

I want a distributive which is 1) not Gentoo 2) can be run without systemd 3) allows fine tuning. My ultimate goal is working all day on a single charge.

Check out the two stickies with Manjaro OpenRC spins (https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?board=50.0).
yeah, thanks, i know about manjaro.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Fri, 19 June 2015, 09:23:23
I installed Ubuntu today, and everything works perfectly! I know, it's a small victory, but hey, I'm excited. I'm enjoying Linux already. :)

This is really the point of Ubuntu. It just works, pretty much every time. People can disparage it all they want for being a corporate distro, but IMO Canonical has done more to spread Linux to the desktop than anyone else.

I tend to agree with you.  Ubuntu has always been the Linux Easy Button and because of that more people have started trying a Linux install on their desktops.  It almost always just works.  I used to like it a lot more back when it was a lot lighter, but it is still alright...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Fri, 19 June 2015, 16:05:46
I am now writing this from Manjaro on my macbook.

Concerning the battery life, here (http://loicpefferkorn.net/2015/01/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-retina-2014-with-dm-crypt-lvm-and-suspend-to-disk/#power-saving:385892e3ac2613dca78d22bd09dbae7d) is the blog post whose author claims to reach almost 9.5 hours of battery life (he is using Arch).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cakewizard on Sat, 04 July 2015, 05:37:46
Debian + i3wm on my desktop, Arch + i3wm on a laptop, OS X/Debian on a MacBook.

<3 Tiling window managers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: flabbergast on Sat, 04 July 2015, 06:18:54
Thanks guys - I didn't know about void linux before and I love it!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 04 July 2015, 07:06:53
An actual new distro?  It's been a while since I've heard of one of them, will have to give Void a go!

On a sidenote I've tried Fedora, Suse and a couple of Ubuntu derivatives in the past year and none of them successfully boot my Windows installation without editing grub files.  Perhaps I did something weird but it doesn't seem newbie friendly and reminds me of the distant past when I installed Mandrake Linux (renamed to Mandriva in 2005, this was years before that) on the family computer, hosed the bootloader, and landed up reformatting to get Windows back and lost everything :-[
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 13:24:02
On a sidenote I've tried Fedora, Suse and a couple of Ubuntu derivatives in the past year and none of them successfully boot my Windows installation without editing grub files.  Perhaps I did something weird but it doesn't seem newbie friendly and reminds me of the distant past when I installed Mandrake Linux (renamed to Mandriva in 2005, this was years before that) on the family computer, hosed the bootloader, and landed up reformatting to get Windows back and lost everything :-[

This is my usual process:

1. Shut down the PC
2. Unplug the drive containing the Windows installation, use a second motherboard port to plug in the drive you're going to put linux on.
3. Install linux to the new drive, install grub (or other bootloader) when prompted during installation.
4. After your linux is up and running, shut down the PC.
5. Plug the hard drive containing the Windows installation back in.
6. Boot into linux (grub will not detect your Windows install yet).
7. Open a terminal, run sudo update-grub.
8. You should now be able to boot the Windows installation.

That has always worked for me for getting grub to pick up the previous installation. If the grub menu is not showing at boot for some reason, I believe editing configuration files will be necessary.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Sat, 04 July 2015, 14:55:42
Thanks guys - I didn't know about void linux before and I love it!

An actual new distro?  It's been a while since I've heard of one of them, will have to give Void a go!


yessss do it!! the installer is fudged up so you have to be a little deft but once it's on your disk it is the best thing since cup rubber
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Blaise170 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 17:10:24
I read that as daft instead of deft and got seriously confused. I must be daft.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 04 July 2015, 17:24:42
On a sidenote I've tried Fedora, Suse and a couple of Ubuntu derivatives in the past year and none of them successfully boot my Windows installation without editing grub files.  Perhaps I did something weird but it doesn't seem newbie friendly and reminds me of the distant past when I installed Mandrake Linux (renamed to Mandriva in 2005, this was years before that) on the family computer, hosed the bootloader, and landed up reformatting to get Windows back and lost everything :-[

This is my usual process:

1. Shut down the PC
2. Unplug the drive containing the Windows installation, use a second motherboard port to plug in the drive you're going to put linux on.
3. Install linux to the new drive, install grub (or other bootloader) when prompted during installation.
4. After your linux is up and running, shut down the PC.
5. Plug the hard drive containing the Windows installation back in.
6. Boot into linux (grub will not detect your Windows install yet).
7. Open a terminal, run sudo update-grub.
8. You should now be able to boot the Windows installation.

That has always worked for me for getting grub to pick up the previous installation. If the grub menu is not showing at boot for some reason, I believe editing configuration files will be necessary.

Thanks, sounds like we have the same method - multiple drives are handy.  Grub always makes an entry for Windows but it just sits there rather with a black screen rather than booting it.  It's been a while so I just  tried to find what I had to bodge but everything's changed (running Fedora atm) so seems it now autodetects correctly, or it's copied my bodge when it upgraded...

Void is downloading as I type so I will find out shortly :)


Edit:  The Void installer uses NCurses?!  Haven't seen that since Slackware :))

It wants an EFI partition though, and the iso I download doesn't come with fdisk, cfdisk or parted so I couldn't make one.  Is there anything else I should know about the installer?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Mon, 06 July 2015, 01:49:56
i dont know about parted but the iso i had came with cfdisk. you might need to be root to run it. i am   running bios instead of uefi because lazy so i haven't had to deal with that crap in a while

you should however be able to download and install anything on the live CD using xbps-install <pkgname> as root. 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 06 July 2015, 19:51:12
I went with the Enlightenment iso, it has firefox and a terminal thing but that's about it :))

Void is installed but didn't overwrite grub like I asked it to.  Running grub2-update on my old Fedora install finds Void, but it doesn't actually add it to the list.  Trying to load Void manually from the grub console when booting also doesn't work as I can't make it find the root fs (it thinks sda-f are removable so seems to be picking USB card reader first, but later letters also don't work)

Next on the list to try is chrooting into Void and installing grub there, then if still no joy it's "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" time (if you don't know what this does don't be tempted to run it!)  I've not tried a proper distro since all this UEFI stuff came into being so not sure what I'm running and that's worrying, so the last option might actually be the best.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: t888 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 11:13:09
I use Mint Linux on my notebook PCs, Raspian on RPi (though I might try Fedora Remix on RPi2), and CentOS/RHEL or Amazon Linux for professional stuff.  I used to like to try different distributions, but now I just want something that works for my purposes.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vizir on Sat, 11 July 2015, 15:06:54
I use Mint Linux on my notebook PCs, Raspian on RPi (though I might try Fedora Remix on RPi2), and CentOS/RHEL or Amazon Linux for professional stuff.  I used to like to try different distributions, but now I just want something that works for my purposes.
Pretty much what I do with my machines at with and home.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 12 July 2015, 17:27:23
Void has finally installed in a bootable state and I'm pleased to report it is the first distro to add a working entry for Windows install.

The only problem is that the installation from the Enlightenment ISO is so bare I'm lost - the terminal doesn't even have double-tab autocomplete enabled, and my arrow keys are sending character codes so I have to type everything manually and perfectly :))

Not sure whether this is a good thing as I'll have to relearn Linux and type better, or if it's just going to annoy me.

Edit: updated and the flashy double tab now works, as do arrows.  Guess the installer is newer than the image it installs...

So far - no audacity.  This is not acceptable but if it's the only problem I encounter I'll try and get it added to the repository.

Edit 2: Failed to restart after updates, even using the old kernel.  Some breakage is to be expected but this is too much I think.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Sun, 12 July 2015, 18:19:20
I use Arch on my desktop and laptop and Debian on my server.

I've never heard of Void but I think I need to check it out now.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Mon, 13 July 2015, 01:20:40
Void has finally installed in a bootable state and I'm pleased to report it is the first distro to add a working entry for Windows install.

The only problem is that the installation from the Enlightenment ISO is so bare I'm lost - the terminal doesn't even have double-tab autocomplete enabled, and my arrow keys are sending character codes so I have to type everything manually and perfectly :))

Not sure whether this is a good thing as I'll have to relearn Linux and type better, or if it's just going to annoy me.

Edit: updated and the flashy double tab now works, as do arrows.  Guess the installer is newer than the image it installs...

So far - no audacity.  This is not acceptable but if it's the only problem I encounter I'll try and get it added to the repository.

Edit 2: Failed to restart after updates, even using the old kernel.  Some breakage is to be expected but this is too much I think.

installer does not enable bash completion by default, esp. not for root and root runs dash, not bash by default.

also i have audacity, i might have built it from the packages but it works fine, wish i could be more helpful. hopefully it will work out for you, if not... well, there are lots of distros   :cool:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 15 July 2015, 16:45:54
So finally got back to this, there's a new Void iso so I installed from that and guess what?  It's renamed all my hard drives and put the USB card reader first.  I guess that's why it didn't reboot last time, though fstab is using UUID so it shouldn't have mattered.

Just as a warning to anyone thinking of installing watch out if you're adding partitions without reformatting them - despite saying no to format it marked them all as "NEW FILESYSTEM" when I chose the install option.  Going back to the mount point bit and re-doing the partition I did want formatted corrected the issue.  So close to losing all my stuff! :eek:

Edit: Audacity is now available and installing!  I'm thinking the Enlightenment iso must have been really old...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: StormyMonday on Sat, 25 July 2015, 07:07:18
I started with Red Hat, back in the mid-90's. Even though I like to explore, I've always had Mint on a machine, since ver. 7. I'm currently running Mint 17.2 / Cinnamon on my Lenovo T420.

 I've been tinkering with FreeBSD lately and it's starting to grow on me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 05 August 2015, 05:44:41
Anyone using a 4K monitor? What distro or desktop environment does high DPI scaling?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 05 August 2015, 06:47:07

Edit: Audacity is now available and installing!  I'm thinking the Enlightenment iso must have been really old...

cool thanks for the info - ive been running a build from void-packages. what version is in xbps repos?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 05 August 2015, 06:57:39
Anyone using a 4K monitor? What distro or desktop environment does high DPI scaling?
Let me look that up for you (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 05 August 2015, 07:52:08
I mean it says it works but it could be total ass. 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 05 August 2015, 07:55:35
what is being a linux user if not one of the two:

you buy expensive new stuff and figure out how to get it working

you buy old stuff and stay conservative (me)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 05 August 2015, 07:55:37
It's total ****.

To answer your other question -- I use Apple's 4K monitor.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 05 August 2015, 09:03:44
Apple's 4K monitor.

You mean you got the 5K iMac?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 05 August 2015, 09:19:21
I use the macbook pro.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Goggles2114 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 09:31:27
I use xbuntu 14.10

Then again I've used Mint, Vector, Crunchbang, Peppermint, puppy...

I'm on a single core atom as my linux deice so always on the hunt for something that balances usability with leanness. Just trying to keep ye olden CR48 running. It's been a fairly good box.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dndlmx on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:59:20
Ha the proto-Chrome Book. Nobody kept Chrome OS, they just wanted a free computer to run X distro.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 05 August 2015, 12:50:08
I use xbuntu 14.10

Then again I've used Mint, Vector, Crunchbang, Peppermint, puppy...

I'm on a single core atom as my linux deice so always on the hunt for something that balances usability with leanness. Just trying to keep ye olden CR48 running. It's been a fairly good box.

most egregiously large ctrl alt to grace a laptop
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Goggles2114 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:24:31
It was less 'do away with chrome OS' because i ran with Chrome OS until the commercial products shipped. It was more 'I needed someting because this was the only working computer.'

I've kept it since because decent backup.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:35:33
Ha the proto-Chrome Book. Nobody kept Chrome OS, they just wanted a free computer to run X distro.

I kept Chrome OS on mine. :(

Until the hinge broke, and the battery wouldn't charge anymore. :'(
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vizir on Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:50:00
Anyone using a 4K monitor? What distro or desktop environment does high DPI scaling?
Linux Mint Cinnamon does work, it might not always auto-detect, but you can enable/disable scaling in the preferences pane.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 06 August 2015, 06:51:05
It's Cinnamon, not necessarily in Mint. Supports HiDPI out of the box.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: StormyMonday on Sat, 08 August 2015, 18:23:32
I use xbuntu 14.10

Then again I've used Mint, Vector, Crunchbang, Peppermint, puppy...

I'm on a single core atom as my linux deice so always on the hunt for something that balances usability with leanness. Just trying to keep ye olden CR48 running. It's been a fairly good box.


Thanks for reminding me about Crunchbang. It's so sad that project was finally abandoned; that was a great distro and it is still influencing other distros to this day. If not for #!, I probably would have never learned how to write a Conky script, so I'm thankful for that. Speaking of influence, I've just got to get around to checking out ArchBang. One of these days ...

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 08 August 2015, 19:18:31
I use xbuntu 14.10

Then again I've used Mint, Vector, Crunchbang, Peppermint, puppy...

I'm on a single core atom as my linux deice so always on the hunt for something that balances usability with leanness. Just trying to keep ye olden CR48 running. It's been a fairly good box.


Thanks for reminding me about Crunchbang. It's so sad that project was finally abandoned; that was a great distro and it is still influencing other distros to this day. If not for #!, I probably would have never learned how to write a Conky script, so I'm thankful for that. Speaking of influence, I've just got to get around to checking out ArchBang. One of these days ...

BunsenLabs has a pretty solid alpha build of Hydrogen out, I need to download and play around with it at some point, but so far I really like the look of what that team has done: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=39994&p=1
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:22:22
Related question. I'm looking to grab a Thinkpad X200. I know it's old, but it's on eBay for 100€ whereas an X201 would be 150ish. Am I crazy for thinking a P8600 2,4 GHz dual-core is enough for most Linux tasks?

Anyway. As far as operating systems to go with it, I'd like some input from people who use that laptop. Was thinking either Manjaro as a replacement for Arch (I don't wanna deal with a manual install. RIP install scripts.), Crunchbang++ representing Debian or possibly Void. Can anyone tell me if all your important hardware worked properly on those distros? Mute-button I can do without or fix it by hand. Low power draw is very important. I'll probably undervolt it as well.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:11:35
Related question. I'm looking to grab a Thinkpad X200. I know it's old, but it's on eBay for 100€ whereas an X201 would be 150ish. Am I crazy for thinking a P8600 2,4 GHz dual-core is enough for most Linux tasks?

Anyway. As far as operating systems to go with it, I'd like some input from people who use that laptop. Was thinking either Manjaro as a replacement for Arch (I don't wanna deal with a manual install. RIP install scripts.), Crunchbang++ representing Debian or possibly Void. Can anyone tell me if all your important hardware worked properly on those distros? Mute-button I can do without or fix it by hand. Low power draw is very important. I'll probably undervolt it as well.

The machine I'm using right now is running Crunchbang on a six year old machine with a 1.6 GHz single core and 2GB of RAM. I find it to be quite capable as long as I keep those limits in mind. I've never used an x200 myself, but Crunchbang in my experience has been very kind to machines without much in the way of system resources.

The only hardware function my machine had issues with was the button to disable the trackpad. WiFi, audio, video, SD card reader, laptop brightness control, etc. all worked out of the box, so to speak.

Now, #!++ is not crunchbang, so I can't say for certain how it handles similar challenges. But I know it was designed to meet similar criteria, so I would say it has a reasonable chance of working similarly.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 13 August 2015, 18:20:04
Traditionally, IBM and Lenovo has had good support for Linux.
I can't speak specifically for the X200, but I can for the individual parts in it. In terms of speed, my Sony has a P8500 and runs Linux just fine (good processor actually). Where you may have issues is with the wireless card, it's probably going to need the Iwlwifi driver, which frankly, I think isn't all that great, it works, but shutting down can be slow, it's better than it used to be though. Other than that, you should have no problems. Worst case, buy a different wireless card for $10. If you have an old SSD, throw that in, newer ones will not be any faster due to the Sata2 speed. With that, the system will perform similar to a modern mid-level notebook, or at least feel like it.

I initially wrote a post about encouraging you to reconsider the x201 for future proofing reasons but after researching it, there's almost no difference between the two. Both have an 8gig limit, ddr3, sata2, same screen resolution, Win10 support... Even battery life and processing power is similar. The only real benefit over the x200 is that the x201 adds a touchpad, 300meg wifi (vs 150), and more readily accepts 8gigs of memory (the x200 requires specific memory and/or bios tweaks to do so).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 August 2015, 19:12:47
I really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..

In the USA,  we have  boat loads of used T420, for  $185 USD..  this is almost always on sale at this price..


T420 has 2520m.. which is more than twice as fast as the p8600

But it's larger than the x201..


I still roll an x220 myself, also a 2520m..  but it was one of the first to get IPS screen (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/063.gif) albeit low res.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:31:36
I'm kinda sold on the ultrabook form factor so it'd be either the X200, the 201 or the 220 I suppose. But performance isn't free and the question is - do I really need it? Running Linux of all things? That means work, word processing, internet, youtube, social, vintage and indie games.

You're right, the P8XXX line is pretty damn good. They stay cool and don't draw much power. Of course the various i5's give you a performance bump, but I'd have to pay 150-180 for one of these other two laptops.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: merfed on Fri, 14 August 2015, 14:25:09
I recently switched over to arch for my T430 and I'm liking it a bit more once I ditched the DE. It's mainly just for small projects an school related stuff. For actual classes I still have to use W7, and that's still what I'm using at home for daily use, but I am enjoying what arch has to offer.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:45:08
you ditched the DE for what?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:50:28
you ditched the DE for what?
My guess would be for nothing -- DEs are optional.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 15 August 2015, 01:29:57
I really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..

High end C2D's were extremely fast, faster than most people realize, a P8600 keeps up with mid level second gen Core I5's and is barely slower than a 3rd gen.

Hardware simply has not marched on like you think it has since the Core2 era. The primary focus has really been on power consumption, performance improvements have come from SATA3, more memory, and SSD's. Not so much from the processors really.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: merfed on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:16:44
you ditched the DE for what?
My guess would be for nothing -- DEs are optional.

Yep. I use Openbox for window management.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sat, 15 August 2015, 05:07:07
Openbox, good.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:43:06
I really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..

High end C2D's were extremely fast, faster than most people realize, a P8600 keeps up with mid level second gen Core I5's and is barely slower than a 3rd gen.

Hardware simply has not marched on like you think it has since the Core2 era. The primary focus has really been on power consumption, performance improvements have come from SATA3, more memory, and SSD's. Not so much from the processors really.


Say wha...   p8600 is like 1500 cpu bench,   2520m is 3000+    double IPC
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:55:12
I really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..
High end C2D's were extremely fast, faster than most people realize, a P8600 keeps up with mid level second gen Core I5's and is barely slower than a 3rd gen.
Hardware simply has not marched on like you think it has since the Core2 era. The primary focus has really been on power consumption, performance improvements have come from SATA3, more memory, and SSD's. Not so much from the processors really.
Say wha...   p8600 is like 1500 cpu bench,   2520m is 3000+    double IPC
Depends on the benchmark you look at and what you are doing, not to mention processor differences get dulled by other components. Which is why you shouldn't rely so much on benchmarks that is focused only on one component.

I have several notebooks, all either had or do have the same drives (Crucial M4 ssd):
C2d P8500
I5 460m
I3 2310 (upgraded to the 2540)
I5 2540

According to benchmarks the I3 should be faster, the reality was that it made me angry how slow it felt in comparison to the C2D. I put 6 gigs in it and even then, it felt sluggish. So much that I sought out the 2540, and while it did wake it up, it was still just a step up in performance compared to the C2D. With only 4 gigs, you would be hard pressed to know the C2D from the 2540. I got the 460m later and that needed 8 gigs to match the 2540 with 6 gigs.

I'm sure benchmarking them would show the 2540 slaughtering the entire field, in the real world it just doesn't. Why? MY guess is they are starved for data, be it because of the memory, or a combination memory and Sata2 connection.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 August 2015, 04:57:42
I really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..
High end C2D's were extremely fast, faster than most people realize, a P8600 keeps up with mid level second gen Core I5's and is barely slower than a 3rd gen.
Hardware simply has not marched on like you think it has since the Core2 era. The primary focus has really been on power consumption, performance improvements have come from SATA3, more memory, and SSD's. Not so much from the processors really.
Say wha...   p8600 is like 1500 cpu bench,   2520m is 3000+    double IPC
Depends on the benchmark you look at and what you are doing, not to mention processor differences get dulled by other components. Which is why you shouldn't rely so much on benchmarks that is focused only on one component.

I have several notebooks, all either had or do have the same drives (Crucial M4 ssd):
C2d P8500
I5 460m
I3 2310 (upgraded to the 2540)
I5 2540

According to benchmarks the I3 should be faster, the reality was that it made me angry how slow it felt in comparison to the C2D. I put 6 gigs in it and even then, it felt sluggish. So much that I sought out the 2540, and while it did wake it up, it was still just a step up in performance compared to the C2D. With only 4 gigs, you would be hard pressed to know the C2D from the 2540. I got the 460m later and that needed 8 gigs to match the 2540 with 6 gigs.

I'm sure benchmarking them would show the 2540 slaughtering the entire field, in the real world it just doesn't. Why? MY guess is they are starved for data, be it because of the memory, or a combination memory and Sata2 connection.


I think it's probably due to power gating..

I've had this problem on many laptops,  where the aggressive power plan (windows Balanced) downclocks the cpu and possibly the chipset,  this raises DPC latency.. causing stutters..

But if I put it in High performance mode,  everything becomes super smooth..

I think that may have been the case if your i3 was feeling slow..

vs the i5,  the 2540m also has 3.3ghz turbo,  and it can actually turbo both cores to 3.3 for a short while, / when temperatures allow it. (depending on manufacturer of laptop)


Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 16 August 2015, 06:09:50
Traditionally, IBM and Lenovo has had good support for Linux.
I can't speak specifically for the X200, but I can for the individual parts in it. In terms of speed, my Sony has a P8500 and runs Linux just fine (good processor actually). Where you may have issues is with the wireless card, it's probably going to need the Iwlwifi driver, which frankly, I think isn't all that great, it works, but shutting down can be slow, it's better than it used to be though. Other than that, you should have no problems. Worst case, buy a different wireless card for $10. If you have an old SSD, throw that in, newer ones will not be any faster due to the Sata2 speed. With that, the system will perform similar to a modern mid-level notebook, or at least feel like it.

I initially wrote a post about encouraging you to reconsider the x201 for future proofing reasons but after researching it, there's almost no difference between the two. Both have an 8gig limit, ddr3, sata2, same screen resolution, Win10 support... Even battery life and processing power is similar. The only real benefit over the x200 is that the x201 adds a touchpad, 300meg wifi (vs 150), and more readily accepts 8gigs of memory (the x200 requires specific memory and/or bios tweaks to do so).
Actually, the #1 reason to get X201 instead of X200 is the graphic chip. Drivers work slightly better, and esp. hardware video decoding works out of the box with Intel HD.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:45:42
Traditionally, IBM and Lenovo has had good support for Linux.
I can't speak specifically for the X200, but I can for the individual parts in it. In terms of speed, my Sony has a P8500 and runs Linux just fine (good processor actually). Where you may have issues is with the wireless card, it's probably going to need the Iwlwifi driver, which frankly, I think isn't all that great, it works, but shutting down can be slow, it's better than it used to be though. Other than that, you should have no problems. Worst case, buy a different wireless card for $10. If you have an old SSD, throw that in, newer ones will not be any faster due to the Sata2 speed. With that, the system will perform similar to a modern mid-level notebook, or at least feel like it.

I initially wrote a post about encouraging you to reconsider the x201 for future proofing reasons but after researching it, there's almost no difference between the two. Both have an 8gig limit, ddr3, sata2, same screen resolution, Win10 support... Even battery life and processing power is similar. The only real benefit over the x200 is that the x201 adds a touchpad, 300meg wifi (vs 150), and more readily accepts 8gigs of memory (the x200 requires specific memory and/or bios tweaks to do so).
Actually, the #1 reason to get X201 instead of X200 is the graphic chip. Drivers work slightly better, and esp. hardware video decoding works out of the box with Intel HD.


Well the X201 also has a cpu that approaches  ~3000 cpu score.. 

so it's much closer to modern gen Cpu than the p8600..


But seriously.. USA,  t420,  boat loads for $180..  what's wrong with that..   It's sandy bridge 2520m..  like,  that's the best price for the most modern spec..

I'm also quite sure the t420 allows for bios modding to support non-lenovo branded intel 6300 wifi cards..
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 16 August 2015, 18:17:11
I think it's probably due to power gating..

I've had this problem on many laptops,  where the aggressive power plan (windows Balanced) downclocks the cpu and possibly the chipset,  this raises DPC latency.. causing stutters..

But if I put it in High performance mode,  everything becomes super smooth..

I think that may have been the case if your i3 was feeling slow..

vs the i5,  the 2540m also has 3.3ghz turbo,  and it can actually turbo both cores to 3.3 for a short while, / when temperatures allow it. (depending on manufacturer of laptop)
I get what you are saying, however, that's not the case.

All were fresh installs using identical power plans, balanced as well as performance mode, all used Win7 configured the same as well. 
Yes, the I3 did smooth out some in performance mode, but it was still garbage, while none of the others required this. The I3 was swapped out for the 2540 without a re-install just to see if it made a difference, which it did.

Given identical memory, as I said, you would be hard to tell on a day to day basis which was which, other than the I3.  Could you tell in something seriously demanding long term, probably, but 99% of the time, you wouldn't know the difference.  It is possible that the newer processors simply needed more memory to wake up, it wouldn't be the first time I've seen that, but I don't have 8 gigs I can put into the p8500 to do a comparison. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying every C2d is better, but the higher end ones, can still hold their own.

I would still rather have, and do recommend the CI series over the C2d, but I wouldn't say it's no longer worth using, especially when Intel is shipping low end C2d's repackaged (Pentium) and AMD has only just exceeded high end C2d performance with the A6 and A8 series.



Actually, the #1 reason to get X201 instead of X200 is the graphic chip. Drivers work slightly better, and esp. hardware video decoding works out of the box with Intel HD.
I agree, with you, it's the best reason, but is it worth 50% more money? probably not.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Blaise170 on Sun, 16 August 2015, 18:42:52
AGH! I have an extra desktop that I can't get anyone to buy on Craigslist so I decided to make it a Linux machine. Used a new case since the old one is pretty bad and now the PSU cables won't reach.  :mad:

Now it'll be another week before I can get Linux Mint or Arch up and running again.  :'(
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 August 2015, 22:35:06
AGH! I have an extra desktop that I can't get anyone to buy on Craigslist so I decided to make it a Linux machine. Used a new case since the old one is pretty bad and now the PSU cables won't reach.  :mad:

Now it'll be another week before I can get Linux Mint or Arch up and running again.  :'(

It won't reach even from the front?..

You can put the 8 pin mobo line under the graphics card where the notch is.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 16 August 2015, 23:00:08
AGH! I have an extra desktop that I can't get anyone to buy on Craigslist so I decided to make it a Linux machine. Used a new case since the old one is pretty bad and now the PSU cables won't reach.  :mad:

Now it'll be another week before I can get Linux Mint or Arch up and running again.  :'(

It won't reach even from the front?..

You can put the 8 pin mobo line under the graphics card where the notch is.

If it's a full tower case, I know some PSUs with short leads have trouble reaching even following the most direct path to the plug.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Blaise170 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:59:21
It's not a full tower case but it's a large mid tower. The motherboard is a micro-ATX too which doesn't help.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Wed, 19 August 2015, 03:01:43
Cute little P8700 notebook coming in the mail this week! I can't wait to grind my soul to dust trying to install Gentoo on it. It'll be a first, but as long as the documentation holds up...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 19 August 2015, 03:10:58
Cute little P8700 notebook coming in the mail this week! I can't wait to grind my soul to dust trying to install Gentoo on it. It'll be a first, but as long as the documentation holds up...

the documentation will hold up. better have something to do while you're waiting for X to compile though :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dan002 on Thu, 20 August 2015, 07:45:40
I  run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian)  on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.

I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Thu, 20 August 2015, 07:46:44
I  run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian)  on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.

I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.

try void for pi
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: swill on Thu, 20 August 2015, 08:41:52
I  run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian)  on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.

I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.

try void for pi

I may actually give void a shot for the Pi.  I have been having issues getting my nic to work with Arch on my Pi's.  Maybe void will work better.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 20 August 2015, 09:23:47
I  run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian)  on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.

I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
Nice setup! I have Arch running on my Pi and love it.

But, what's so special about the model 1 B rev.1? I haven't really kept up with RasbPi development. I also got one of those, and it could use some more RAM. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Thu, 20 August 2015, 10:52:08
I  run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian)  on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.

I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.

try void for pi

I may actually give void a shot for the Pi.  I have been having issues getting my nic to work with Arch on my Pi's.  Maybe void will work better.

void is not for the faint of heart... on x86. with raspi you get a nice preconfigured image that boots and works right away :D hope it suits you well. runit is super cool as an init system and void in general is faster than anything i've used (maybe you could eke out better performance with gentoo but as far as binary distros void is awesome).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dan002 on Thu, 20 August 2015, 11:30:42
I  run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian)  on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.

I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
Nice setup! I have Arch running on my Pi and love it.

But, what's so special about the model 1 B rev.1? I haven't really kept up with RasbPi development. I also got one of those, and it could use some more RAM. :rolleyes:
Because they're no longer made mostly. I have an aluminum case for my original pi that's been keeping it save since 2012. Check it out:
[attach=1]
I did a quick search  for Void and it supports the Raspberry pi 2, so I will test it out.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 August 2015, 16:48:07
Cute little P8700 notebook coming in the mail this week! I can't wait to grind my soul to dust trying to install Gentoo on it. It'll be a first, but as long as the documentation holds up...

I don't understand.. why couldn't you just save some more money,  and get a better laptop.. in a month

The p8600 is very outdated TODAY,  it will be VERY VERY outdated Tomorrow,

It's a lose lose situation..  Even at $100-150 ,  price to performance ratio is no good..

A USED  x220t (the tablet version of x220, slightly thicker) with 2520m  sells for ~$200-300 on Ebay..

Sandybridge is at least still relevant,  and it has sata 3 and a much more modern GPU..


How long will it take to save another $100..    vs using a slow laptop through 1 to 2 years worth of frustration.


Seriously,  it boggles my mind how you guys think sometimes..
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 20 August 2015, 17:03:11
I  run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian)  on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.

I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
Nice setup! I have Arch running on my Pi and love it.

But, what's so special about the model 1 B rev.1? I haven't really kept up with RasbPi development. I also got one of those, and it could use some more RAM. :rolleyes:
Because they're no longer made mostly. I have an aluminum case for my original pi that's been keeping it save since 2012. Check it out:
(Attachment Link)
I did a quick search  for Void and it supports the Raspberry pi 2, so I will test it out.
Wow, nice case!

I bet it costs trice as much as a RPi. ;)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Fri, 21 August 2015, 01:30:40
I don't understand.. why couldn't you just save some more money,  and get a better laptop.. in a month

The p8600 is very outdated TODAY,  it will be VERY VERY outdated Tomorrow,

Oudated, relevant.. what does that even mean? It's a CPU. It either works or it doesn't. I'm not trying to follow any tech trends here or stay 'ahead of the curve', I just wanted a cheap notebook for everything but 3D games. Also.. it strikes me as a bit of a waste to put an 2520m on a SUBnotebook with a 12 inch screen. What's gonna be the advantage here besides numbers?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:21:33
I don't understand.. why couldn't you just save some more money,  and get a better laptop.. in a month

The p8600 is very outdated TODAY,  it will be VERY VERY outdated Tomorrow,

Oudated, relevant.. what does that even mean? It's a CPU. It either works or it doesn't. I'm not trying to follow any tech trends here or stay 'ahead of the curve', I just wanted a cheap notebook for everything but 3D games. Also.. it strikes me as a bit of a waste to put an 2520m on a SUBnotebook with a 12 inch screen. What's gonna be the advantage here besides numbers?

It all comes down to what you need it for.
Operating system hardware requirements peaked a few years back, with a few exceptions, anything made in the last say, 5-7 years is perfectly fine doing office work/web browsing and will remain so.

While this system can handle it, if you spend your days editing video, or with your nose in Solidworks, yeah, you might want something with more grunt (even on a 12in screen).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 03:25:37
to whom it may concern

looks like icecat made it into the void repos in the last 24hrs... so far it seems to be more stable than firefox has been (there is a github issue tracker for ff but i havent check the status since temporarily switching to chromium for work stuff).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fishcola on Wed, 26 August 2015, 00:44:23
lol where's the BSD luv? you wan't the best text-adventure game known to man? load a m*thaf*ckin BSD...

I"m somewhere between Debian, fedora/centos, and arch ATM... been in and out of linux for years. I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminology, and wayland DMs for the future...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 26 August 2015, 02:16:06
lol where's the BSD luv? you wan't the best text-adventure game known to man? load a m*thaf*ckin BSD...

I"m somewhere between Debian, fedora/centos, and arch ATM... been in and out of linux for years. I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminology, and wayland DMs for the future...

There was some here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73048.0), but no-one seemed particularly interested.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 26 August 2015, 02:20:26
lol where's the BSD luv? you wan't the best text-adventure game known to man? load a m*thaf*ckin BSD...

I"m somewhere between Debian, fedora/centos, and arch ATM... been in and out of linux for years. I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminology, and wayland DMs for the future...

i mean... this is a linux thread... bsd is great though. i use a distro which is largely maintained by an ex-netbsd guy.
wayland looks cool - hopefully i'll get around to playing with it soon.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: KRKS on Wed, 26 August 2015, 06:20:54
to whom it may concern

looks like icecat made it into the void repos in the last 24hrs... so far it seems to be more stable than firefox has been (there is a github issue tracker for ff but i havent check the status since temporarily switching to chromium for work stuff).

I've been checking out Void liveusb for a while now, I'd install it now but my current partitoning is a mess and one of the drives' partial corruption doesn't help. I'm tempted to just get a random small HDD(I don't need sub-second boot times anyway) and install it on that.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Wed, 26 August 2015, 07:59:42
I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminology
Some relevant reading over at Daily WTF (https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Wed, 26 August 2015, 16:59:47
Jesus Christ I'm never trying Gentoo with LVM & LUKS again. Plain is hard enough.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Vizir on Wed, 26 August 2015, 22:28:45
Jesus Christ I'm never trying Gentoo with LVM & LUKS again. Plain is hard enough.
Hahahaha
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fishcola on Thu, 27 August 2015, 01:28:01
heh, i meant it as a half-joke, but I do like how bsds have a way more consistent manpage/anything from shell setup. thanks for the links! harder to trawl the web for good *nix info.

as far as gentoo is concerned, I still haven't taken the plunge into compiling *errything* from src... Make can be a big enough headache by itself!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Thu, 27 August 2015, 09:21:23
Jesus Christ I'm never trying Gentoo with LVM & LUKS again. Plain is hard enough.
Again? You are much smarter than I.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: godly_music on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:37:38
I'm not smart at all, I just wasted 2 days on this ****. Lol. And that wasn't the only stop-gap. Boot-update and grub-install suddenly didn't create a grub.cfg anymore, X kept telling me that I had the wrong number of screens. I was stoked to try Gentoo, but there were just too many issues and I don't have the expertise to know the easy fixes off-hand (I'm sure they exist).

Anyway, I caved and put Manjaro with i3 on it, and it's pretty damn good. Even got the .icc profile for my laptop to load. I was hoping I'd get a lower wattage on Gentoo, but ~7,5w without wifi is good enough for me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vyshane on Fri, 11 September 2015, 07:32:35
lol where's the BSD luv? you wan't the best text-adventure game known to man? load a m*thaf*ckin BSD...

I"m somewhere between Debian, fedora/centos, and arch ATM... been in and out of linux for years. I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminology, and wayland DMs for the future...

I ran FreeBSD on my servers for several years. I have a lot of respect for BSD. Having said that, these days I'm running Linux because of Docker. I'm currently evaluating CoreOS as a base OS for Kubernetes.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: kebby on Sat, 31 October 2015, 08:40:07
Over the years I've used lots of different distros and BSDs, both on and off desktop. Currently really excited about NixOS but I've not had the time to install it on my workstation yet, only for a couple of servers... Debian is my trusted old go-to that I certainly wouldn't replace with anything that uses rpms. :P Anyone else looked at NixOS?

BTW, in 6 hours there will be a live stream on called Twitch Installs Arch Linux (https://www.twitchinstalls.com/). Similar to Twitch Plays Pokemon, the twitch chat will be making group decisions on what to input next into the install process. Do you think they'll make it?  ;D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Sat, 31 October 2015, 10:08:14
BTW, in 6 hours there will be a live stream on called Twitch Installs Arch Linux (https://www.twitchinstalls.com/). Similar to Twitch Plays Pokemon, the twitch chat will be making group decisions on what to input next into the install process. Do you think they'll make it?  ;D

I think rm -rf
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: zlittell on Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:18:27
I always tend to gravitate towards openSuSe or fedora.  I tend to run ubuntu or fedora when going headless though.  I have only installed Gentoo once and that was about 15 years ago haha.  I remember it being fun but painful! 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:45:16
15 years later, it's still painful.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: zlittell on Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:59:08
I have a feeling the 15 years ago thing making me a "kid" made it way more fun than time crunched adult me would have now haha.  Need to get some sort of gentoo flag for my yard.  "For our brothers of gentoo <3"
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: kebby on Tue, 03 November 2015, 18:50:33
If you think Gentoo install is painful you should try Linux From Scratch (LFS). Not really a distro, just a bunch of instructions for how to build a Linux install from source archives.

I wouldn't actually use a system like that, hard to maintain with few benefits, but they do write it like you might even want to do that. I've done it once many years ago and It's a long process but also fairly educational.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ctm on Sun, 08 November 2015, 14:33:46
I use Ubuntu with Unity on my desktop and Lubuntu on my Surface in VMWare because of low available memory (I wish I bought the 8GB RAM model). I also use OpenBox sometimes when I need to save more memory.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: thelectronicnub on Mon, 09 November 2015, 22:31:21
(https://i.imgur.com/yPqktPR.jpg)

even if this is old it's pretty funny

using xubuntu on my c2d dell laptop, works pretty well for general use, even with only 2gb of ram

using ubuntu server on my c2q box for octoprint, a few websites, plex, and an nginx reverse proxy so i can access my router when i'm not at home
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: umeboshi on Tue, 10 November 2015, 00:08:16
Just reinstalled the latest Linux Mint xfce on an old eeepc, and surprised that it runs pretty well...just need to get the wifi driver going though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: angelic_sedition on Tue, 10 November 2015, 00:33:48
Over the years I've used lots of different distros and BSDs, both on and off desktop. Currently really excited about NixOS but I've not had the time to install it on my workstation yet, only for a couple of servers... Debian is my trusted old go-to that I certainly wouldn't replace with anything that uses rpms. :P Anyone else looked at NixOS?

BTW, in 6 hours there will be a live stream on called Twitch Installs Arch Linux (https://www.twitchinstalls.com/). Similar to Twitch Plays Pokemon, the twitch chat will be making group decisions on what to input next into the install process. Do you think they'll make it?  ;D

Yep, I've been meaning to switch or at least start dual booting it with Arch. The attractiveness of a distro to me is pretty much just the installation process and the package manager. NixOS's config file makes a reproducible, hands-free installation trivial in comparison to the amount of scripting necessary for other distros to automatically set things up how you like. I also really like nix, but I don't really look forward to having to package a lot software.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: GuilleAcoustic on Tue, 10 November 2015, 03:25:08
I'm using Arch linux with Plasma (KDE 5) as my only OS. Converted a very old laptop (1GHz Celeron, 128MB DDR1) with Arch bang and Openbox.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: shibataken on Tue, 10 November 2015, 13:08:43
Linux mint is slowly replacing windows 10 for me :D
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: FreeCopy on Tue, 10 November 2015, 13:19:00
Linux mint is slowly replacing windows 10 for me :D

This is my current situation as well. Windows is used pretty much for gaming and some MS Office work.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Tue, 10 November 2015, 13:55:34
If you think Gentoo install is painful you should try Linux From Scratch (LFS).
which is absolutely lovely, unlike gentoo.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: chroness on Tue, 10 November 2015, 16:04:15
I run mint of my laptop. I tried arch but just wasn't quite advanced enough to use it effectively :(
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: geekhack360 on Tue, 10 November 2015, 18:05:42
I use xubuntu.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: S1llyC0ne on Thu, 12 November 2015, 12:00:37
I use xfce-flavoured Manjaro Linux on my laptop after a few years on Ubuntu.
I've been happily surprised with the speed and I also gained on the battery life side.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cryptokey on Thu, 12 November 2015, 12:07:30
I'm very happy with Linux Mint running KDE.  Previously I had Cinnamon but I found it to be too unstable - it would freeze, crash, and generally cause headaches.  I'd consider going to Arch in the future though.

Arch now.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 12 November 2015, 12:19:47
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 12 November 2015, 19:49:33
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.

Which BSD?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Thu, 12 November 2015, 21:25:16
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.

My network runs BSD, but that's it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Fri, 13 November 2015, 07:55:43
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.

the only true way to what?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Fri, 13 November 2015, 11:07:42
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.

Which BSD?

Net and sometimes free.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 21 November 2015, 21:30:10
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jaffers on Sat, 21 November 2015, 21:44:21
Laptop: Manjaro (i3)/OSX
BIG PC: Wangblows 8/majaro (kde)
Small PC/Server/Build Testing/OthercrapPC: Everything
Elite HAXOR USB: suse studio made Os with 1337 tools
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Sat, 21 November 2015, 23:10:25
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.

Not really, no.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 22 November 2015, 01:47:58
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.

Not really, no.

But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 22 November 2015, 01:50:29
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.

Not really, no.

But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.

Kubuntu was dropped from the official Ubuntu derivatives at one stage - then re-added.

Did I hear that it was dropped again?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jaffers on Sun, 22 November 2015, 01:59:11
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.

MANJARO 4 LYFE! Get KDE version NOW! Feel the love for pacman and non broken repos! Everything great about ARCH in one easy package without the cancerous community!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: retrochick on Sun, 22 November 2015, 02:18:11
antergos on my x200.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sun, 22 November 2015, 07:37:54
Laptop: Manjaro (i3)/OSX
same here, besides it's enlightenment and not i3
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 22 November 2015, 08:14:08
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.
If you want to be a bigger nerd, try building your own with Arch. And get rid of that KDE while you're at it, and use a window manager instead. I like Openbox. :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sun, 22 November 2015, 08:34:17
If you want to be a bigger nerd, build your own LFS!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 22 November 2015, 12:38:49
If you want to be the biggest nerd build your own version of Unix. That might take some time though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dan002 on Sun, 22 November 2015, 15:42:49
The raspberry pi upgraded their official OS to Debian Jessy. Super awesome because who can complain
about using a distro made for the hardware. Don't get me wrong, linux is great but sucks with hardware
compatibility. Often times simple this complicate new linux users and scare them away from a good experiance.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 22 November 2015, 16:09:12
linux is great but sucks with hardware compatibility.
That's not even wrong…
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 22 November 2015, 16:24:30
linux is great but sucks with hardware compatibility.
That's not even wrong…

What hardware doesn't work?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dan002 on Sun, 22 November 2015, 16:53:28
I guess the hardware that is not supported by the Distro.
I also believe the problem is, drivers are often closed source for NIC's, Webcams, track pads etc...
For distro developers to use the hardware features, they have to reverse engineer it. But since
the raspberry pi is open source hardware  :thumb: all the code is there to use.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 22 November 2015, 16:53:35
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong)

What does work: nearly everything, including obscure architectures, a lot of really old expansion cards and peripherals… and a lot of bleeding edge hardware at the other end of the spectrum.

What does not work: a whole lot of cheap garbage from sources like DealExtreme, glued together by incompetent wage slaves; some hardware "designed" for MS Windows with various obscure hacks (ahem, ACPI is a good example) due to Microsoft's Embrace, extend and extinguish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish) policy; some common hardware, esp. GPUs and some specialized chips from companies, that deliberately choose to make life harder for the kernel community.

For example, the UVC standard is well supported in GNU/Linux nowadays, but while UVC is originally Microsoft's standard, their very own line of webcams doesn't implement it correctly.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 22 November 2015, 16:58:07
The vast majority of the trouble that I have had with Linux has been getting common, reasonably modern ethernet and wi-fi gear to be recognized.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 22 November 2015, 17:01:21
Quite frankly, most of especially, but not only consumer-grade networking gear is pretty awful, as in "not very different from, say, cheap Android tablets". (LKML is often a "fun" read for that matter.)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 22 November 2015, 17:16:04
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong)

What does work: nearly everything, including obscure architectures, a lot of really old expansion cards and peripherals… and a lot of bleeding edge hardware at the other end of the spectrum.

What does not work: a whole lot of cheap garbage from sources like DealExtreme, glued together by incompetent wage slaves; some hardware "designed" for MS Windows with various obscure hacks (ahem, ACPI is a good example) due to Microsoft's Embrace, extend and extinguish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish) policy; some common hardware, esp. GPUs and some specialized chips from companies, that deliberately choose to make life harder for the kernel community.

Haha, I assumed the strange phrasing was due to English not being your first language, didn't consider it could be a quote!

Seems nothing's changed since I was last shopping for hardware, GPUs have dodgy binary drivers but for pretty much anything else you use at home you just have to check what you're buying before choosing the cheapest option.  Especially wifi and touchpads :thumb:
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sun, 22 November 2015, 18:37:43
linux is great but sucks with hardware compatibility.
That's not even wrong…

What hardware doesn't work?
macbooks' web cameras.

also, there's quite a few pieces of hardware not having open source drivers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 22 November 2015, 20:49:56
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.

Not really, no.

But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.

Yea, this is the kinda stuff I don't know anything about.   Works alright for me.  I'm such a Linux newb.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Sun, 22 November 2015, 21:05:15
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.

Not really, no.

But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.

Yea, this is the kinda stuff I don't know anything about.   Works alright for me.  I'm such a Linux newb.

I don't get the KDE hate. If it runs fine and you enjoy the look and feel of KDE then by all means use it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 22 November 2015, 21:26:39
It also seems like discussion of Linux distros also is subject to similar bickering among the users as any other niche hobby.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: FreeCopy on Sun, 22 November 2015, 21:33:35
Just got Linux Mint up and running. The installation went fine. The problem I had was getting Grub to recognize Win10.

The problem turned out to be the Win10 installation. It decided during install to go with MBR instead of an EFI boot partition. How it did this when the MB was set for UEFI is beyond me.

Had to resize part of the Win10 install partition to make room for an EFI partition. After that worked out I went back and Grub was able to find the Win10 drive and make it bootable. Now it all works and dual boots without issue.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: BigDov on Sun, 22 November 2015, 21:53:30
I liked Crunchbang when it was being updated / maintained, but haven't messed with anything for a while..... seeing lots of folks talking about Manjaro, I might have to give that a shot.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RoastPotatoes on Mon, 23 November 2015, 07:46:48
Just got Linux Mint up and running. The installation went fine. The problem I had was getting Grub to recognize Win10.

The problem turned out to be the Win10 installation. It decided during install to go with MBR instead of an EFI boot partition. How it did this when the MB was set for UEFI is beyond me.

Had to resize part of the Win10 install partition to make room for an EFI partition. After that worked out I went back and Grub was able to find the Win10 drive and make it bootable. Now it all works and dual boots without issue.
EFI has ruined my life. Installing any OS now has become strangely complex to me. I always do it wrong. I had arch on the MBR and win on EFI so I could use the EFI menu to choose which os which would then potentially take me to grub. I'm so confused.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: KRKS on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:07:53
I liked Crunchbang when it was being updated / maintained, but haven't messed with anything for a while..... seeing lots of folks talking about Manjaro, I might have to give that a shot.

You may like Crunchbang++

Just got Linux Mint up and running. The installation went fine. The problem I had was getting Grub to recognize Win10.

The problem turned out to be the Win10 installation. It decided during install to go with MBR instead of an EFI boot partition. How it did this when the MB was set for UEFI is beyond me.

Had to resize part of the Win10 install partition to make room for an EFI partition. After that worked out I went back and Grub was able to find the Win10 drive and make it bootable. Now it all works and dual boots without issue.
EFI has ruined my life. Installing any OS now has become strangely complex to me. I always do it wrong. I had arch on the MBR and win on EFI so I could use the EFI menu to choose which os which would then potentially take me to grub. I'm so confused.

I think you mean UEFI, which is what M$ crapped out after eating the EFI standard
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: RoastPotatoes on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:11:39
I liked Crunchbang when it was being updated / maintained, but haven't messed with anything for a while..... seeing lots of folks talking about Manjaro, I might have to give that a shot.

You may like Crunchbang++

Just got Linux Mint up and running. The installation went fine. The problem I had was getting Grub to recognize Win10.

The problem turned out to be the Win10 installation. It decided during install to go with MBR instead of an EFI boot partition. How it did this when the MB was set for UEFI is beyond me.

Had to resize part of the Win10 install partition to make room for an EFI partition. After that worked out I went back and Grub was able to find the Win10 drive and make it bootable. Now it all works and dual boots without issue.
EFI has ruined my life. Installing any OS now has become strangely complex to me. I always do it wrong. I had arch on the MBR and win on EFI so I could use the EFI menu to choose which os which would then potentially take me to grub. I'm so confused.

I think you mean UEFI, which is what M$ crapped out after eating the EFI standard
I think I do, but I'm a little uncertain on everything. I was creating efi partitions yesterday and was very lost. As it currently stands I have a working dualboot with win 10 and arch. Using traditional legacy bios, not the new fancy thing.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:12:41
I liked Crunchbang when it was being updated / maintained, but haven't messed with anything for a while..... seeing lots of folks talking about Manjaro, I might have to give that a shot.

You may like Crunchbang++

Or Bunsen Labs.

Although I know people who have had issues with getting either one or both of those projects to do what they wanted.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 25 November 2015, 05:49:05
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon.  After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu.  I'm a fan of the KDE interface. 

And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd?  Please, I need to know.

Not really, no.

But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.

I did try a couple other distros with KDE and noticed they worked quite a bit smoother and seemed more stable.  I see what you mean.

Lots of Linux choices out there.  Slightly overwhelming.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: redskull on Wed, 25 November 2015, 06:00:38
can you guys recommend me a couple of good linux distros for a noob? that would be me..  :p

im quite familiar with windows and i tinker with computer parts from time to time though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 25 November 2015, 06:36:58
can you guys recommend me a couple of good linux distros for a noob? that would be me..  :p

im quite familiar with windows and i tinker with computer parts from time to time though.
do you also make spaghetti? it's no less relevant.

anyway, just install mint.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: meow a cat on Wed, 25 November 2015, 06:58:54
I've tried a few distros, but I keep having different problems with each. Probably easily solved if it weren't for my GNU/Linux noobness.  :))

So far my favourite distro has been Fedora 23 with KDE Plasma. Except that after a few days, it decided it didn't want to boot and would lock up part way through. GRUB also wouldn't show my Win 10 installation, but that's probably something I did wrong on my end. I'm going to try again in the next few days, and I'm hoping it works - I want a stable install so I can actually get to know the OS.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 25 November 2015, 13:58:08
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.

anyone give it a spin?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 25 November 2015, 14:45:09
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.

anyone give it a spin?

Wow, that sounds really interesting, I'll have to try it out. I'd love a more BSD like feel with the compatibility of Linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 25 November 2015, 14:46:47
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.

anyone give it a spin?

Wow, that sounds really interesting, I'll have to try it out. I'd love a more BSD like feel with the compatibility of Linux.

i will probably try to get it running on my laptop at some point. my only concern is how robust its binary library really is (i mean, building from source is cool, but im super lazy half the time)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: KRKS on Wed, 25 November 2015, 15:37:05
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.

anyone give it a spin?

Wow, that sounds really interesting, I'll have to try it out. I'd love a more BSD like feel with the compatibility of Linux.

i will probably try to get it running on my laptop at some point. my only concern is how robust its binary library really is (i mean, building from source is cool, but im super lazy half the time)

It's not big, but it's growing, and I didn't notice any missing must-haves. It seems to have a bit of everything, from terminals to games. I recommend checking your commonly used stuff here (http://www.voidlinux.eu/packages/).

I've checked Void out a few times by now and I like it. I've been waiting on Archbang's team because they were planning on doing Voidbang some time ago, but now apparently they're slowing down with Archbang itself, so looks like I'll have to look into configuring Openbox on my own.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Wed, 25 November 2015, 16:37:11
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.

anyone give it a spin?
You can remove systemd's **** from arch, but it's not supported. In Manjaro it is, though.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 25 November 2015, 18:20:54
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.

anyone give it a spin?
You can remove systemd's **** from arch, but it's not supported. In Manjaro it is, though.

But with void you can have an operating system called "void"...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: ttzhou on Fri, 27 November 2015, 22:15:43
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.

anyone give it a spin?
You can remove systemd's **** from arch, but it's not supported. In Manjaro it is, though.

But with void you can have an operating system called "void"...

i will be the first to confess i chose arch linux mainly because of the name.

void is sufficiently cool to warrant the same choice :P
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 27 November 2015, 22:24:54
I call it "Windows 10".
In all seriousness, I have Ubuntu on my second drive.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: bastones on Sat, 28 November 2015, 16:56:05
I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(

I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.

I'm in the same boat as you. A recent change in policy for the company i work at means I am now forced to use Windows. It's a real pain. Every time I use my personal computer I am reminded at how much better everything is.

On my computer I run Debian 8 Jessie with the GNOME desktop environment. Debian is an amazing distribution, I love it - its super stable and frankly I'm just familiar with apt, that's really the other reason I chose it over other distributions. The only thing I dislike is the outdated kernel in Debian 8 as it ships with an older version of nouveau that doesn't support NV117 cards like the 750 series without relying on the proprietary NVIDIA graphics :-(.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 28 November 2015, 17:04:02
I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(

I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.

I'm in the same boat as you. A recent change in policy for the company i work at means I am now forced to use Windows. It's a real pain. Every time I use my personal computer I am reminded at how much better everything is.

On my computer I run Debian 8 Jessie with the GNOME desktop environment. Debian is an amazing distribution, I love it - its super stable and frankly I'm just familiar with apt, that's really the other reason I chose it over other distributions. The only thing I dislike is the outdated kernel in Debian 8 as it ships with an older version of nouveau that doesn't support NV117 cards like the 750 series without relying on the proprietary NVIDIA graphics :-(.

You can use apt on arch and fedora and other distros. It's just not supported very well. And not worth it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: n__dles on Sat, 28 November 2015, 18:55:09
Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.

Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 28 November 2015, 18:57:02
Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.

Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.

Arch is usually the answer.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: bastones on Sat, 28 November 2015, 18:58:01
I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(

I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.

I'm in the same boat as you. A recent change in policy for the company i work at means I am now forced to use Windows. It's a real pain. Every time I use my personal computer I am reminded at how much better everything is.

On my computer I run Debian 8 Jessie with the GNOME desktop environment. Debian is an amazing distribution, I love it - its super stable and frankly I'm just familiar with apt, that's really the other reason I chose it over other distributions. The only thing I dislike is the outdated kernel in Debian 8 as it ships with an older version of nouveau that doesn't support NV117 cards like the 750 series without relying on the proprietary NVIDIA graphics :-(.

You can use apt on arch and fedora and other distros. It's just not supported very well. And not worth it.

I used to run Ubuntu but I've always found it a lot less stable compared to other distributions I've used. No matter what computer I had Ubuntu installed on, on some occasions Unity might become unresponsive requiring me to restart the shell, or more commonly, the bug report dialogue would appear often relating to a problem with Unity. That, and for a few other reasons, forced me to move away and try Debian and it's been great ever since :).

I've given Fedora a spin and it seems interesting. If I can get past the apt familiarity barrier I might get off the fence and try other distributions apart from Debian and its derivatives ;).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: n__dles on Sat, 28 November 2015, 19:13:46
Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.

Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.

Arch is usually the answer.
Arch has the community and documentation, that's for sure. Before narrowing to just Debian, the two distros I was considering were Arch and Debian. I've used Arch once before, and enjoyed it. But Arch needs too much TLC. I have a problem getting distracted with config files (I'm starting at you .emacs), I need something that requires little attention or I'll never get anything done.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 28 November 2015, 19:46:02
Arch wiki has some of the best documentation I've encountered. I usually find it to be a real pleasure to use.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: bastones on Sat, 28 November 2015, 20:37:58
Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.

Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.

Arch is usually the answer.
Arch has the community and documentation, that's for sure. Before narrowing to just Debian, the two distros I was considering were Arch and Debian. I've used Arch once before, and enjoyed it. But Arch needs too much TLC. I have a problem getting distracted with config files (I'm starting at you .emacs), I need something that requires little attention or I'll never get anything done.

Well considering Arch is on a rolling release schedule I can imagine it being a great choice for those wanting bleeding-edge features but I guess that comes at the sacrifice of a higher risk of package breakages. I'd be worried an update would damage my Arch install!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 28 November 2015, 21:16:19
Well considering Arch is on a rolling release schedule I can imagine it being a great choice for those wanting bleeding-edge features but I guess that comes at the sacrifice of a higher risk of package breakages. I'd be worried an update would damage my Arch install!

Arch is all about choice. You don't have to receive a single update if you don't want, or you can just pick and choose the ones you feel like you need.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: n__dles on Sat, 28 November 2015, 21:30:58
Arch wiki has some of the best documentation I've encountered.
And the majority of it isn't distro specific. Without any question, I've read more Arch documentation than my own distros.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 28 November 2015, 21:32:20
Arch wiki has some of the best documentation I've encountered.
And the majority of it isn't distro specific. Without any question, I've read more Arch documentation than my own distros.

Couldn't agree with that more. Just like how I use the freebsd wiki for basically all of my bsd endeavors.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 28 November 2015, 21:56:34
Arch wiki has some of the best documentation I've encountered.
And the majority of it isn't distro specific. Without any question, I've read more Arch documentation than my own distros.

Couldn't agree with that more. Just like how I use the freebsd wiki for basically all of my bsd endeavors.

Yes -- I have never touched Arch in my life, but I love the wiki. Helped me out a lot when I started poking around with openbox and tint2.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: new_to_theinternet on Sat, 28 November 2015, 22:23:31
At home I don't use linux as my primary OS, but I primarily use Ubuntu in a VM for various activities. I'll be starting a new job in mid-December, where the primary OS is Debian.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Sat, 28 November 2015, 22:32:28
Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.

Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.

So, to answer your question, your best bet is definitely Debian Stable. I'll update my server once every six months or so and Debian handles it no problem. Updating from release cycles is also a breeze and never causes any problems. Although I use Arch I can say with absolute certainty it's not the distribution you want if one of the primary things you're looking for is stability. It's a pretty easy distro to install also, so I think it's worth trying it out.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Sun, 29 November 2015, 08:32:27
Arch wiki has probably the best article on HiDPI. And that's important for me since I am a Macbook user.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Sun, 29 November 2015, 09:12:37
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.

anyone give it a spin?

Wow, that sounds really interesting, I'll have to try it out. I'd love a more BSD like feel with the compatibility of Linux.

the lead dev is ex-netbsd so it's very bsdish. runit is really cool.

void peeps: are you on #voidlinux/#xbps and/or fourm.voidlinux.eu?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 14 December 2015, 23:36:35
Well, I settled on a KaOS, a singularly KDE-focused distro, because it looks good, works fast, is simple, and has what I need for now.  I found it interesting how the developers optimized the distro to work with only KDE rather than overextend with too many desktop environments.

I was going to start out with the Manjaro KDE, but the live USB wouldn't boot on my computer.  I could try Manjaro with some other DE, but I feel the most comfortable with KDE starting out.  These windows managers seem interesting, too.

As my Linux experience progresses, I'll try out other distros and maybe switch to a different distro, but KaOS seems like it will allow me to get things done out-of-the-box and mess around with other distros, with my current limited free time.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Nalor on Tue, 15 December 2015, 21:10:51
I'm a Kubutu, Mint, and PC-BSD user myself. Mostly though its all KDE.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: SL89 on Tue, 15 December 2015, 21:41:43
Well, I settled on a KaOS, a singularly KDE-focused distro, because it looks good, works fast, is simple, and has what I need for now.  I found it interesting how the developers optimized the distro to work with only KDE rather than overextend with too many desktop environments.

I was going to start out with the Manjaro KDE, but the live USB wouldn't boot on my computer.  I could try Manjaro with some other DE, but I feel the most comfortable with KDE starting out.  These windows managers seem interesting, too.

As my Linux experience progresses, I'll try out other distros and maybe switch to a different distro, but KaOS seems like it will allow me to get things done out-of-the-box and mess around with other distros, with my current limited free time.

I saw KaOS and might give it a whirl. Thanks for reminding me.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: notbrain on Thu, 17 December 2015, 11:23:44
Ubuntu 14 LTS at work, a bunch of smaller distros for Pi at home.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 17 December 2015, 17:48:58
Well, I settled on a KaOS, a singularly KDE-focused distro, because it looks good, works fast, is simple, and has what I need for now.  I found it interesting how the developers optimized the distro to work with only KDE rather than overextend with too many desktop environments.

I was going to start out with the Manjaro KDE, but the live USB wouldn't boot on my computer.  I could try Manjaro with some other DE, but I feel the most comfortable with KDE starting out.  These windows managers seem interesting, too.

As my Linux experience progresses, I'll try out other distros and maybe switch to a different distro, but KaOS seems like it will allow me to get things done out-of-the-box and mess around with other distros, with my current limited free time.

I saw KaOS and might give it a whirl. Thanks for reminding me.

Fyi, I've had some issues with Plasma crashing, but I don't think that is a KaOS problem, but more a KDE problem.  Which probably makes it a KaOS problem, considering how much the two are linked together.  Regardless, Plasma restarts without all my currently open windows and I haven't lost any data except for the small inconvenience.

I'm not exactly sure about the advantage of KaOS, considering that many other great distros offer a decent KDE experience (Linux Mint, Manjaro, for example).  But I appreciate the focus and simplicity that the developers put into optimizing KaOS for KDE, rather than tacking it on as another DE only receiving a portion of care and attention.  With KaOS, it receives ALL the attention.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Connly33 on Sat, 19 December 2015, 01:34:38
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now except for my main desktop. All 3 of my laptops ( A core 2 duo fujitsu lifebook, a dual core haswell celeron chromebook, and a  core 2 duo dell inspiron)   run Kubuntu, it is one of my favorite desktop linux distros. My Dell mini 9 netbook and lenovo thinkpad x100e netbook/sub notebook is running xubuntu , my media server is running open media vault which is a linux spin off server OS. My main media playback PC is running Kodibuntu, and i have a linux mint machine that i use occasionally, i've started dual booting on my main desktop but i still stick with windows 7. Though when i do move from 7, it is 80% likely that it will be over to something like kubuntu as soon as i have a motherboard that plays happily with ubuntu based distros.  I have learned a lot through trial and error, and i like having to fix issues that arise with different configurations. I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.

I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with.....  The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: minhtt159 on Sat, 19 December 2015, 09:28:20
Backbox Linux
Kali Linux
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Sat, 19 December 2015, 11:58:24
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now except for my main desktop. All 3 of my laptops ( A core 2 duo fujitsu lifebook, a dual core haswell celeron chromebook, and a  core 2 duo dell inspiron)   run Kubuntu, it is one of my favorite desktop linux distros. My Dell mini 9 netbook and lenovo thinkpad x100e netbook/sub notebook is running xubuntu , my media server is running open media vault which is a linux spin off server OS. My main media playback PC is running Kodibuntu, and i have a linux mint machine that i use occasionally, i've started dual booting on my main desktop but i still stick with windows 7. Though when i do move from 7, it is 80% likely that it will be over to something like kubuntu as soon as i have a motherboard that plays happily with ubuntu based distros.  I have learned a lot through trial and error, and i like having to fix issues that arise with different configurations. I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.

I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with.....  The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu

How do you like Open Media Vault? I considered using it but ultimately went to FreeNAS for the ZFS support.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Connly33 on Sat, 19 December 2015, 14:33:57
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now except for my main desktop. All 3 of my laptops ( A core 2 duo fujitsu lifebook, a dual core haswell celeron chromebook, and a  core 2 duo dell inspiron)   run Kubuntu, it is one of my favorite desktop linux distros. My Dell mini 9 netbook and lenovo thinkpad x100e netbook/sub notebook is running xubuntu , my media server is running open media vault which is a linux spin off server OS. My main media playback PC is running Kodibuntu, and i have a linux mint machine that i use occasionally, i've started dual booting on my main desktop but i still stick with windows 7. Though when i do move from 7, it is 80% likely that it will be over to something like kubuntu as soon as i have a motherboard that plays happily with ubuntu based distros.  I have learned a lot through trial and error, and i like having to fix issues that arise with different configurations. I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.

I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with.....  The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu

How do you like Open Media Vault? I considered using it but ultimately went to FreeNAS for the ZFS support.

Its kind of on par with freeNAS for the most part aside from native ZFS support, i believe you can add it though, my only real reason for going with OMV was that it was a bit easier to configure plugins for what i wanted to do, and i had never touched any freeBSD based OS so it was a bit confusing to me. When i go from my cobbled together server to something with a respectable hard drive configuration i'm definitely going to go to freeNAS for ZFS
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 19 December 2015, 16:17:21

I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with.....  The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu

You have an issue with collecting cheap obsolete items?  Welcome to geekhack!  You'll fit right in.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 19 December 2015, 16:39:30
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now .... run Kubuntu,

I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.


I have dabbled with Ubuntu for 5-6 years, and am fairly happy with it, although it is strictly secondary because I need Windows for the "work world" for the time being. I do look forward to ditching Microsoft one day. I have already ditched Office in favor of Libreoffice and taken up Gimp in place of Photoshop Elements.

For philosophical reasons, unhappiness with Ubuntu's decisions and directions, at my last re-format-re-build I tried switching to OpenSUSE, and while it was mostly good, I found that the community and forum were spectacularly snarky and unhelpful to a newcomer. Most of my questions were (never-solved) hardware issues that should have been fairly straightforward, but I also got a lot of insults and "Why would you want to do X and not Y like I do?" when I asked "How do you do X?"

Since I was a newbie, and requested step-by-step instructions, they delighted in giving me cryptic, incomplete directions that guaranteed failure.
It was a very frustrating experience, because I really wanted to make it work.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Connly33 on Sat, 19 December 2015, 17:38:26
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now .... run Kubuntu,

I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.


I have dabbled with Ubuntu for 5-6 years, and am fairly happy with it, although it is strictly secondary because I need Windows for the "work world" for the time being. I do look forward to ditching Microsoft one day. I have already ditched Office in favor of Libreoffice and taken up Gimp in place of Photoshop Elements.

For philosophical reasons, unhappiness with Ubuntu's decisions and directions, at my last re-format-re-build I tried switching to OpenSUSE, and while it was mostly good, I found that the community and forum were spectacularly snarky and unhelpful to a newcomer. Most of my questions were (never-solved) hardware issues that should have been fairly straightforward, but I also got a lot of insults and "Why would you want to do X and not Y like I do?" when I asked "How do you do X?"

Since I was a newbie, and requested step-by-step instructions, they delighted in giving me cryptic, incomplete directions that guaranteed failure.
It was a very frustrating experience, because I really wanted to make it work.

I definitely dislike it when the community of a certain distro is like that. Thats one reason i do like ubuntu distros, though i also dislike the direction ubuntu and Canonical is going in.  Is the community is generally very accepting of newcomers and are fairly helpful.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Connly33 on Sat, 19 December 2015, 17:40:21

I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with.....  The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu

You have an issue with collecting cheap obsolete items?  Welcome to geekhack!  You'll fit right in.

I guess so : p lol. Though the keyboard side of things isn't too cheap. I really like making obsolete things useful for some purpose again even if it is impractical.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 19 December 2015, 19:58:06
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now .... run Kubuntu,

I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.


I have dabbled with Ubuntu for 5-6 years, and am fairly happy with it, although it is strictly secondary because I need Windows for the "work world" for the time being. I do look forward to ditching Microsoft one day. I have already ditched Office in favor of Libreoffice and taken up Gimp in place of Photoshop Elements.

For philosophical reasons, unhappiness with Ubuntu's decisions and directions, at my last re-format-re-build I tried switching to OpenSUSE, and while it was mostly good, I found that the community and forum were spectacularly snarky and unhelpful to a newcomer. Most of my questions were (never-solved) hardware issues that should have been fairly straightforward, but I also got a lot of insults and "Why would you want to do X and not Y like I do?" when I asked "How do you do X?"

Since I was a newbie, and requested step-by-step instructions, they delighted in giving me cryptic, incomplete directions that guaranteed failure.
It was a very frustrating experience, because I really wanted to make it work.

During my recent beginner's foray into Linux, I also noticed that a few distro forums were snarky towards newbie questions, and that is the exact kind of thing that is going to turn people away from the distro, the forum, and Linux in general.  Yea, you might asking a question that has been answered many times before, but a newbie may not understand how to access all available resources in their newbness.

I've also read that Ubuntu is going in a direction that may jive with other preferences and philosophies (kinda like take it or leave it, we won't let you customize to your tastes).  I don't have the long term experience with Unbuntu or Linux to support that statement, but that is what I am reading.  However, if they are going for maximum adoption from the average computer user, the quality aesthetics and ease of use are a good route.  For uber nerds like us, no thanks.

I also tried out openSUSE , but I found it more robust and feature rich (especially Yast) than what I need from a Linux distro, so I went with something simpler.  I did not venture into the forums, so I cannot speak to that atmosphere, but I found it to be a solid offering.  Yast as an installer and package manager were the easiest I encountered with Linux distro.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Connly33 on Sat, 19 December 2015, 20:14:44
I noticed there are generally two types of Linux enthusiasts, those who want to share linux and get everyone else on it, whether it be simplifying some distros enough for the slightly above average PC user, or helping inexperienced user's that are having issues. ( acctually i've noticed it can be easier to get a very inexperienced PC user to switch to something like ubuntu because they dont use a lot of advanced features or functionality, and if they start to while there on linux its not like a shock from going from the way windows works to the way linux works)  of course that can lead to issues to, like the over simplification of interfaces, but that's the beauty of linux, if one distro does not match with someone's tastes anymore there is sure to be one that will.   But anyway that leads to the second type of linux enthusiast, the kind that likes to keep the platform closed off to newbs, like they enjoy being an advanced user on a " harder to use" platform and they dont want any form of linux simplified to the point where an average user can use it effectively.

I am kind of at the point where i dont need something as robust as openSUSE, but i want to get into distros where i guess im kind of forced to do a little more problem solving.  Though at least for now ubuntu and it's variants are still my favorite. Being used to kubuntu i could install the KDE desktop environment on openSUSE and it would feel fairly familiar.

Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 19 December 2015, 20:27:11
I noticed there are generally two types of Linux enthusiasts, those who want to share linux and get everyone else on it, whether it be simplifying some distros enough for the slightly above average PC user, or helping inexperienced user's that are having issues. ( acctually i've noticed it can be easier to get a very inexperienced PC user to switch to something like ubuntu because they dont use a lot of advanced features or functionality, and if they start to while there on linux its not like a shock from going from the way windows works to the way linux works)  of course that can lead to issues to, like the over simplification of interfaces, but that's the beauty of linux, if one distro does not match with someone's tastes anymore there is sure to be one that will.   But anyway that leads to the second type of linux enthusiast, the kind that likes to keep the platform closed off to newbs, like they enjoy being an advanced user on a " harder to use" platform and they dont want any form of linux simplified to the point where an average user can use it effectively.

I am kind of at the point where i dont need something as robust as openSUSE, but i want to get into distros where i guess im kind of forced to do a little more problem solving.  Though at least for now ubuntu and it's variants are still my favorite. Being used to kubuntu i could install the KDE desktop environment on openSUSE and it would feel fairly familiar.

I think you summarized geek enthusiasts in general.  Geekhack is nice, because it has most of the first type.  Which is why I stick around.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Connly33 on Sat, 19 December 2015, 20:57:45


That's why i decided to join , most of the community seems more than willing to help anyone with related issues   :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Sat, 19 December 2015, 22:16:13
I didn't know the OpenSUSE users were snarky, but for sure the people on the Arch forums are not very kind to newcomers. You'll often see posts of somebody looking for help, and the only response they'll get is to read the wiki. But I know even as an experienced user that the wiki can look like hieroglyphs. Well, that's the main reason why I don't participate in those forums, and why I love GH. I may be a keyboard newb but all the old hats are happy to share their knowledge.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 20 December 2015, 09:07:27
I didn't know the OpenSUSE users were snarky, but for sure the people on the Arch forums are not very kind to newcomers. You'll often see posts of somebody looking for help, and the only response they'll get is to read the wiki. But I know even as an experienced user that the wiki can look like hieroglyphs. Well, that's the main reason why I don't participate in those forums, and why I love GH. I may be a keyboard newb but all the old hats are happy to share their knowledge.

Well, not every Linux forum dweller is like that, but I know what you mean.  In the time it takes to be rude and snarky, you could create a macro that copies and pastes the links for useful resources for beginners. 
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: tchevass on Sun, 20 December 2015, 09:37:04
I want to use debian, but I can't install debian on my laptop because some of the component in my computer are not supported in the kernel.

I will have to wait for kernel 4.4 to install it..
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: n__dles on Sun, 20 December 2015, 22:56:41
I noticed there are generally two types of Linux enthusiasts, those who want to share linux and get everyone else on it, .. the second type.. likes to keep the platform closed off to newbs, like they enjoy being an advanced user on a " harder to use" platform
I think those might be the 2 types who answer questions in the newbie sections of forums.

Personally, I don't care what OS others use, and I think most of the people I know feel the same way. If someone wants to create a user friendly distro, my thoughts are: OK. If they want to create a "harder to use platform" I feel the same way. That's the good thing about OSS, anyone can fork and do what they want. It's also the bad thing since it causes fragmentation.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Sun, 20 December 2015, 23:03:31
Guess who's reinstalling Arch Linux! (to get rid of all the crap that's accumulated on it) Woohoo so much fun!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Mon, 21 December 2015, 01:36:23
I noticed there are generally two types of Linux enthusiasts, those who want to share linux and get everyone else on it, whether it be simplifying some distros enough for the slightly above average PC user, or helping inexperienced user's that are having issues. ( acctually i've noticed it can be easier to get a very inexperienced PC user to switch to something like ubuntu because they dont use a lot of advanced features or functionality, and if they start to while there on linux its not like a shock from going from the way windows works to the way linux works)  of course that can lead to issues to, like the over simplification of interfaces, but that's the beauty of linux, if one distro does not match with someone's tastes anymore there is sure to be one that will.   But anyway that leads to the second type of linux enthusiast, the kind that likes to keep the platform closed off to newbs, like they enjoy being an advanced user on a " harder to use" platform and they dont want any form of linux simplified to the point where an average user can use it effectively.

I am kind of at the point where i dont need something as robust as openSUSE, but i want to get into distros where i guess im kind of forced to do a little more problem solving.  Though at least for now ubuntu and it's variants are still my favorite. Being used to kubuntu i could install the KDE desktop environment on openSUSE and it would feel fairly familiar.



these two types of people are just  vocal subsets of linux users - there are a lot of people out there who just don't care to share their opinions on the web OR help new people that get along just fine using linux for whatever reason they want :) forum-based communities are not often geared towards all groups of linux users- there's a lot going on in IRC channels and mailing lists that you will probably never be exposed to on the web.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Blaise170 on Mon, 21 December 2015, 02:22:35
So I am running a dual boot on my laptop with an SSD. I had no issues with the SSD for about a year in my desktop, but I got a new one for the desktop so moved this one over. Been having some issues with Windows randomly freezing and BSODing and GRUB not being able to detect Windows. After a hard reset it usually comes right back on. Anyone know if it's a GRUB issue or just a problem with the SSD?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Mon, 21 December 2015, 02:34:47
So I am running a dual boot on my laptop with an SSD. I had no issues with the SSD for about a year in my desktop, but I got a new one for the desktop so moved this one over. Been having some issues with Windows randomly freezing and BSODing and GRUB not being able to detect Windows. After a hard reset it usually comes right back on. Anyone know if it's a GRUB issue or just a problem with the SSD?
If Windows is BSODing it definitely isn't a grub issue.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: kekstee on Mon, 21 December 2015, 10:52:59
Arch since 2007, and if it wasn't for hard drive and parition changes while I was still inexperienced it might as well be the original installation. Works pretty well.

Also exherbo, which has a neat package resolver but a bit ambitious goals in terms of layout and features. So I can't even run Steam there since nobody managed to make it play along last time I checked.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 21 December 2015, 10:58:16
It's still Linux Mint Xfce for me. It is easy to install and use, the forums are friendly and helpful, and yet it is suitable for serious work. I use it for both my server and my desktops.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: bastones on Mon, 28 December 2015, 13:46:48
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now .... run Kubuntu,

I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.


I have dabbled with Ubuntu for 5-6 years, and am fairly happy with it, although it is strictly secondary because I need Windows for the "work world" for the time being. I do look forward to ditching Microsoft one day. I have already ditched Office in favor of Libreoffice and taken up Gimp in place of Photoshop Elements.

For philosophical reasons, unhappiness with Ubuntu's decisions and directions, at my last re-format-re-build I tried switching to OpenSUSE, and while it was mostly good, I found that the community and forum were spectacularly snarky and unhelpful to a newcomer. Most of my questions were (never-solved) hardware issues that should have been fairly straightforward, but I also got a lot of insults and "Why would you want to do X and not Y like I do?" when I asked "How do you do X?"

Since I was a newbie, and requested step-by-step instructions, they delighted in giving me cryptic, incomplete directions that guaranteed failure.
It was a very frustrating experience, because I really wanted to make it work.


You'll definitely get those kinds of people on IRC, and they can get quite nasty. Thankfully, not everyone is like that but some just don't realise how unhelpful they are and it is extremely frustrating to witness. I've seen it firsthand and it boggles my mind how some folks can't pick up the signals that they need to simplify their explanations. It's not difficult.

Put it this way, I fully understand you and it can be a frustrating experience. It's just finding the right crowd to ask your question.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 30 December 2015, 02:34:18
openbsd: what a revelation!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Altis on Wed, 30 December 2015, 16:40:01
I've been very much enjoying ChaletOS (Ubuntu-based). It's quite polished and easy to live with. You can make it look a lot like Windows, actually.

I also use ElementaryOS Freya (which looks a lot like Mac OS X), and it looks decent but I've found the performance isn't too great on it for some reason.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Blaise170 on Wed, 30 December 2015, 18:32:07
Ian Murdock, creator of Debian, has passed today.  :(

http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 30 December 2015, 20:21:16
Ian Murdock, creator of Debian, has passed today.  :(

http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/

That is extremely unfortunate if the rumoured events leading up to it are even remotely true.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Hypersphere on Thu, 31 December 2015, 07:59:53
Very sad to see the news of Ian Murdock's passing. All who use Debian or any of the great number of linux distros derived from it owe him a debt of gratitude.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 31 December 2015, 18:44:16
Very sad to see the news of Ian Murdock's passing. All who use Debian or any of the great number of linux distros derived from it owe him a debt of gratitude.

Including Ubuntu!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 05 January 2016, 10:10:35
openbsd: what a revelation!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)


So you made the switch finally?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: n__dles on Wed, 06 January 2016, 02:18:31
Remember these?

(http://i.imgur.com/9nuHOC9.jpg?1)

I found them underneath my bed. All the disks are missing, not that it matters. I had a BeOS one that wasn't with them, hopefully it will turn up, old school esoteric.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 06 January 2016, 02:22:24
openbsd: what a revelation!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)


So you made the switch finally?

yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 06 January 2016, 03:10:10
Remember these?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9nuHOC9.jpg?1)


I found them underneath my bed. All the disks are missing, not that it matters. I had a BeOS one that wasn't with them, hopefully it will turn up, old school esoteric.

I have a full box set of SuSE installation, including CDs and manuals.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vyshane on Wed, 06 January 2016, 04:54:00
Remember these?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9nuHOC9.jpg?1)


I found them underneath my bed. All the disks are missing, not that it matters. I had a BeOS one that wasn't with them, hopefully it will turn up, old school esoteric.

Oh man, my first distro was Red Hat Linux 6.1. I wish I'd kept the box and manuals.

This is the only thing that I've kept, circa 2003:

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: madhias on Wed, 06 January 2016, 05:13:37
Typing from my Arch installation, which is now the main OS on my battlestation. But I also do have a Windows VM, only for Lightroom. Works good so far, I just need to 'rice' up my desktop. Using i3 WM, again Firefox since years of using Chrome, some tools, but really not that much. I like it! It is like a never ending project, and there is always something to do.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: n__dles on Wed, 06 January 2016, 10:04:39
Oh man, my first distro was Red Hat Linux 6.1. I wish I'd kept the box and manuals.

This is the only thing that I've kept, circa 2003:

(Attachment Link)
At the local Hackerspace there's a bookshelf and I found an original printing of 2nd ed. K&R C! For those that don't know, the 2nd edition of K&R came out 1988 and there's been more than 50 printings.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:15:55
I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: KRKS on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:25:18
I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.

Ouch, I heard that SteamOS had some problems, but I didn't think it was that bad...
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 06 January 2016, 17:05:03
I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.

Ouch, I heard that SteamOS had some problems, but I didn't think it was that bad...

I'm also using old hardware. An HP HPE410F (http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02481315); non-uefi mobo and an old junk AMD/ATI GPU so i cant really complain. Its still a beta anyway so i dont mind.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Wed, 06 January 2016, 17:35:33
I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.

Ouch, I heard that SteamOS had some problems, but I didn't think it was that bad...

I'm also using old hardware. An HP HPE410F (http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02481315); non-uefi mobo and an old junk AMD/ATI GPU so i cant really complain. Its still a beta anyway so i dont mind.
What compelled you to run SteamOS on this kind of hardware?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 06 January 2016, 19:26:05
I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.

Ouch, I heard that SteamOS had some problems, but I didn't think it was that bad...

I'm also using old hardware. An HP HPE410F (http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02481315); non-uefi mobo and an old junk AMD/ATI GPU so i cant really complain. Its still a beta anyway so i dont mind.
What compelled you to run SteamOS on this kind of hardware?

It allows me to use my gaming rig upstairs to do all the heavy processing and then just stream the video over the network to my steamOS box connected to the 4K TV downstairs where i can play on the couch. It was a win win situation for me since 1. I wanted to play games with the graphics of my desktop but on the 65" screen and 2. Most importantly my wife can sit on the couch and watch, play 2player, do her own thing... and generally not feel like she's being ignored.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: nephiel on Fri, 08 January 2016, 00:57:55
Giving Devuan a try on an old desktop machine.

I really hope this Debian fork stands the test of time. I don't need no systemd and nearly every other distro is switching to it.

Also removing Pulseaudio while I'm at it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: daerid on Sat, 09 January 2016, 13:19:31
Giving Devuan a try on an old desktop machine.

I really hope this Debian fork stands the test of time. I don't need no systemd and nearly every other distro is switching to it.

Also removing Pulseaudio while I'm at it.

Would love to hear your experiences. I really don't like systemd, and have yet to find a distro without it that I like
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 11 January 2016, 09:53:31
I'm new to Linux, so i'm not too familiar with this systemd tiff.  Do you all recommend any resources you could point me towards that are a good primer?  So far, I've found this resource somewhat useful:

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: KRKS on Mon, 11 January 2016, 11:16:15
Most of them are linked in the wiki you posted. there also was one nice gif with a plush animal(forgot what exactly) of some kind with systemd written on it "eating" other programs/services/daemons/etc. in chronological order, but the link I have 404s.

In other words, I wussed out of Void because it's void(w) of documentation and will probably go with PCLinuxOS.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: gorebrush on Mon, 11 January 2016, 11:32:54
Giving Devuan a try on an old desktop machine.

I really hope this Debian fork stands the test of time. I don't need no systemd and nearly every other distro is switching to it.

Also removing Pulseaudio while I'm at it.

Would love to hear your experiences. I really don't like systemd, and have yet to find a distro without it that I like

Gentoo...?

I'm an Arch/Debian user myself
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: TacticalCoder on Tue, 12 January 2016, 10:53:54
Btw anyone here on Linux with a 2560x1440 or 3440x1440 monitor? Just bought a 27" 2560x1440 screen (not there yet) and thinking about selling it to a client and go directly for a 34" 3440x1440 one.  I won't be gaming at all: it's for my workstation (don't even have speakers connected: no game, no sound).

I think I'll have to buy a new GPU with DisplayPort and mess up with my Linux configuration quite a bit (tried a 34" with a thunderbolt adapter on a MacBook Air: worked immediately... I know that sadly it won't be that easy with Linux).

I'm interested if anyone has feedback on such a setup with Linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 12 January 2016, 12:29:35
I test out distros on live USB sticks on my 13.3" Macbook Pro Retina (2560x1600).  While this is smaller than the displays you are describing, it looks sharp but the text is REALLY tiny and the first I do is change the display resolution to 1600x900 or so. 

I've been looking into Linux compatibility with hi-res monitors and laptops, and the general theme seems to be that you can change the desktop theme and browser font to work with hi-res, but there might be inconsistencies across different software applications and desktop environments.

However, on my 21" 1080p monitor, Linux shows up well without having to make any adjustments.

Considering the spotty results, I probably won't go higher than 1080p on my monitors and laptops in the near future for using Linux distros.  Of course, I'm no authority, so others may have different experiences than me.

Just Google "Linux and hidpi" or "Linux and 4k" and I think you will find plenty of helpful info.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 12 January 2016, 13:03:59
Or you could buy the monitor of choice and simply set a lower display resolution until support is more consistent for higher resolutions. Which is what I might do.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: TacticalCoder on Tue, 12 January 2016, 16:36:12
Or you could buy the monitor of choice and simply set a lower display resolution until support is more consistent for higher resolutions. Which is what I might do.

Ah... Thing is: I always run my monitors at native resolution (and use bigger fonts if the pixels are too tiny). Only on a screen with really tiny pixels (like a Mac retina display) can I withstand the "scaling") and on the 34" I'm thinking of (a Dell U3415W, same panel as the LG 34uc97 I think) the pixels aren't *that* small :)

Also 3440x1440 is not even 4K if I'm not mistaken: 4K starts at 4000x2160 I think. But I'll double check: I take it that if I can make 4K work, then I can do 3440x1440 too.

It's for a desktop: so my concern is which GPU to buy and which cable (and which cable version etc.) to use... I think I need to go DisplayPort 1.2 at least. And then, on top of it, I'd like a passive GPU for my workstation is close to silent (SSD, passive heatsink, no fans on the GPU, BeQuiet alim, etc.).

Fun evenings ahead I guess :-/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: TacticalCoder on Tue, 12 January 2016, 16:40:00
Remember these?

I raise your bet with this, first distro of Linux I ever used (and dang, I used it a lot: learned Un*x commands, emacs, LaTeX, etc. all from within Slackware), installed Slackware from the CD (it was also possible to download slackware --70 disks IIRC-- with my 33.6 K modem but that would have been too slow):

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By the way that's a pic I found on the Internet: I'm pretty sure mine was the first version of the book, not the updated one as in this picture :)
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 12 January 2016, 19:07:06
Or you could buy the monitor of choice and simply set a lower display resolution until support is more consistent for higher resolutions. Which is what I might do.

Ah... Thing is: I always run my monitors at native resolution (and use bigger fonts if the pixels are too tiny). Only on a screen with really tiny pixels (like a Mac retina display) can I withstand the "scaling") and on the 34" I'm thinking of (a Dell U3415W, same panel as the LG 34uc97 I think) the pixels aren't *that* small :)

Also 3440x1440 is not even 4K if I'm not mistaken: 4K starts at 4000x2160 I think. But I'll double check: I take it that if I can make 4K work, then I can do 3440x1440 too.

It's for a desktop: so my concern is which GPU to buy and which cable (and which cable version etc.) to use... I think I need to go DisplayPort 1.2 at least. And then, on top of it, I'd like a passive GPU for my workstation is close to silent (SSD, passive heatsink, no fans on the GPU, BeQuiet alim, etc.).

Fun evenings ahead I guess :-/

Whatever works, I suppose.  I found this archwiki article very useful.  Gave me a little more confidence if I wanted to purchase a higher resolution monitor or laptop:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: cryptokey on Tue, 12 January 2016, 19:09:22
openbsd: what a revelation!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)


So you made the switch finally?

yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!

Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware?  If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Tue, 12 January 2016, 19:41:49
openbsd: what a revelation!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)


So you made the switch finally?

yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!

Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware?  If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.

Javascript just doesn't work that well on BSD. Linux suffers from the same too.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: nephiel on Wed, 13 January 2016, 01:31:04
openbsd: what a revelation!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)


So you made the switch finally?

yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!

Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware?  If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.

Javascript just doesn't work that well on BSD. Linux suffers from the same too.
s/Javascript/Adobe\ Flash/
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Wed, 13 January 2016, 02:32:50
openbsd: what a revelation!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)


So you made the switch finally?

yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!

Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware?  If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.

firefox on openbsd is slow, period. chromium on openbsd is slow, period. every web browser on openbsd is slow, period.

openbsd: what a revelation!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)


So you made the switch finally?

yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!

Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware?  If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.

Javascript just doesn't work that well on BSD. Linux suffers from the same too.

it's worse on openbsd. really bad. like, browser is  non-responsive for up to 10 seconds sometimes when using sites like Facebook.
thankfully there's youtube-dl because streaming video in a browser is basically impossible on this machine, where it was completely smooth with linux. youtube's not everything though :P

openbsd: what a revelation!
Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)


So you made the switch finally?

yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!

Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware?  If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.

Javascript just doesn't work that well on BSD. Linux suffers from the same too.
s/Javascript/Adobe\ Flash/

no... keep javascript in there.
there's no flash on openbsd. maybe pepper flash works. i don't care... can't use a handful of sites here and there but it's a good tradeoff.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dan002 on Thu, 14 January 2016, 12:49:27
Do you mostly use 'lite' distros without the GUI and SSH in or use the GUI?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: JonnyPolygon on Thu, 14 January 2016, 12:54:57
I switched to ubuntu for a while but realised I wanted to game lol
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sean on Thu, 14 January 2016, 14:21:32
I switched to ubuntu for a while but realised I wanted to game lol

I use a virtualized instance of qemu-kvm for stuff like that
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: TacticalCoder on Sat, 16 January 2016, 10:22:24
Do you mostly use 'lite' distros without the GUI and SSH in or use the GUI?

I'm using Debian and always booting without a GUI, then I "startx" which launches a pretty basic X: no Gnome, no KDE.  I'm using a tiling window manager (the Awesome WM, but I may switch to XMonad): so I have no icons for example.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vyshane on Sat, 16 January 2016, 19:47:08
Do you mostly use 'lite' distros without the GUI and SSH in or use the GUI?

I only use Linux on servers, so headless. Last year I started using CoreOS. Going forward this is probably going to be my base distro for servers.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vyshane on Sat, 16 January 2016, 19:56:22
Anybody using Docker?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dan002 on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:13:12
Anybody using Docker?

I really like Docker, it was the only menu bar that worked on ARM laptop for me!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vyshane on Sun, 17 January 2016, 18:35:40
Anybody using Docker?

I really like Docker, it was the only menu bar that worked on ARM laptop for me!

I meant this Docker (https://www.docker.com/what-docker):

Quote
Docker is an open-source project that automates the deployment of applications inside software containers, by providing an additional layer of abstraction and automation of operating-system-level virtualization on Linux.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 27 January 2016, 20:39:18
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop?  I've played around with it on a few live USBs, and it seems interesting enough for a beginner like myself.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: n__dles on Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:53:54
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop?  I've played around with it on a few live USBs, and it seems interesting enough for a beginner like myself.
Enlightenment's zenith was back in the late 90s. Memories of sitting in the dev chat, thinking I was a prodigy for writing some E widget that displayed temp. or load or something...

If you're looking for a clean Win95 style desktop enviroment there's XFCE which is what I was using after Gnome 3. But I switched to i3, a tiling window manager, a couple years ago and haven't looked back. It's like going from rubberdome to mechanical.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: thatllbeme on Thu, 28 January 2016, 05:15:09
I'm a big fan of Fedora nowadays - my Ubuntu LTS install crashed far too regularly to be useful. Fedora's been crashing a bit too lately (I think running a VM on my laptop is too much of a demand, really) - any other distros I should try?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: sth on Thu, 28 January 2016, 06:21:59
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop?  I've played around with it on a few live USBs, and it seems interesting enough for a beginner like myself.

not since like 2004 heh. doesn't look like their visual paradigm has gone much further than that, either. but i know some people swear by it!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Thu, 28 January 2016, 06:23:59
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop?
Nope, absolutely not. But here's a ridiculous Daily WTF on, well, Enlightenment code base (https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795).
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: leon on Thu, 28 January 2016, 09:22:14
I use ElementaryOS on my PC since it's the most like OSX which I am using on my macbook air. 
I also have arch installed on this harddrive somewhere but I never use it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: lishi on Thu, 28 January 2016, 10:17:38
Currently using Antergos because my Windows 10 drive died and I don't wanna go through the hassle of setting up Arch  :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Thu, 28 January 2016, 14:36:19
For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..

On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.

Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: CSCoder4ever on Thu, 28 January 2016, 19:41:56
Well it's been quite a while since I posted here, so I figure I'll post what I use again.

After around 3 years of distro hopping and using Arch quite a bit of that time, I find that Anything Debian/Ubuntu-based for my desktop/laptops and Debian for my server(s) is good enough for me.
And I am looking at FreeBSD on my secondary desktop just to see what ZFS is all about.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 28 January 2016, 20:16:24
For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
My android build server has been running LTS as well for a similar time, ridiculously stable. Though my old web server, which ran Cent was similar, I'm just not a fan of it. I liked Red Hat and Cent until I had that server for a while. When it fell a bit too far behind, all advice I found flat out said do NOT update it as it would probably break. That ended that.


Well it's been quite a while since I posted here, so I figure I'll post what I use again.

After around 3 years of distro hopping and using Arch quite a bit of that time, I find that Anything Debian/Ubuntu-based for my desktop/laptops and Debian for my server(s) is good enough for me.
Kind of an update for me as well, but also follows what you found...
While I love Debian w/Cinnamon, I found Mint Cinnamon to function a bit better (ignoring the installer bug on some systems), it's integrated better. I won't use Ubuntu, but there is a ton of help for it, so using Mint is sort of a best of the bench for me. It's on two of my laptops now, and I'm quite happy with it. I expect it'll be on that on my desktop by the end of the weekend now that I have it sorted.

Like you, I tried Arch and others, and in the end, many are just not maintained well enough or require far more effort than I need to expend on maintaining an os. It's an OS, it may be fine for others, but to me, the OS has become background noise to what I do on the computer and therefor should not require that much focus to keep it running. I just want it to do what I need and disappear into the background.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 29 January 2016, 04:35:04
Remember these?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9nuHOC9.jpg?1)


I found them underneath my bed. All the disks are missing, not that it matters. I had a BeOS one that wasn't with them, hopefully it will turn up, old school esoteric.

Right in dem nostalgia.. I had Suse 7.2 Pro boxed. With that paperback manual of 500+ pages. Hmm... the goodness. Shouldn't have discarded it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 29 January 2016, 04:38:17
Well it's been quite a while since I posted here, so I figure I'll post what I use again.

After around 3 years of distro hopping and using Arch quite a bit of that time, I find that Anything Debian/Ubuntu-based for my desktop/laptops and Debian for my server(s) is good enough for me.
And I am looking at FreeBSD on my secondary desktop just to see what ZFS is all about.

I thought of switching to FreeBSD coz of ZFS as well. But then I found out that ZFS and all its newer goodness is owned by Oracle. And they do not always (or in a timely manner) backport to FreeBSD and the lot. So I decided to stick with EXT4 and wait till BTRFS becomes more stable I guess.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iri on Fri, 29 January 2016, 05:18:31
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop?  I've played around with it on a few live USBs, and it seems interesting enough for a beginner like myself.
I used it with a 4K display because it has a global scaling setting.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 29 January 2016, 06:51:14
Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop? I am getting increasingly tired of Apple's practices (glueing everything, making you buy the most expensive configuration to future-proof, etc.) and was thinking of building my own powerhouse rig with linux. But then I noticed that there are still many issues on the desktop. Is this still true?

For instance: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

List is really scaring the crap out of me.. I need stuff to work. I can do sysops and figure the **** out of my installation, but I do not want to break stuff continuously when I'm working on deadlines.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vyshane on Fri, 29 January 2016, 07:19:04

Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop? I am getting increasingly tired of Apple's practices (glueing everything, making you buy the most expensive configuration to future-proof, etc.) and was thinking of building my own powerhouse rig with linux. But then I noticed that there are still many issues on the desktop. Is this still true?

For instance: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

List is really scaring the crap out of me.. I need stuff to work. I can do sysops and figure the **** out of my installation, but I do not want to break stuff continuously when I'm working on deadlines.

I haven't kept a Linux workstation for several years now, so I'm a bit out of touch. However, Linux was already perfectly fine on the desktop even when I first tried it over 15 years ago. I can't imagine why things should be any different these days.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 29 January 2016, 08:15:43
Almost all of the headaches that I have ever encountered with Linux have revolved around devices not working, and sometimes never working, even after considerable troubleshooting, especially LAN, wireless, and audio cards, etc.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: CSCoder4ever on Fri, 29 January 2016, 08:22:52
Well it's been quite a while since I posted here, so I figure I'll post what I use again.

After around 3 years of distro hopping and using Arch quite a bit of that time, I find that Anything Debian/Ubuntu-based for my desktop/laptops and Debian for my server(s) is good enough for me.
And I am looking at FreeBSD on my secondary desktop just to see what ZFS is all about.

I thought of switching to FreeBSD coz of ZFS as well. But then I found out that ZFS and all its newer goodness is owned by Oracle. And they do not always (or in a timely manner) backport to FreeBSD and the lot. So I decided to stick with EXT4 and wait till BTRFS becomes more stable I guess.

ZFS seems to shine in the server world, so I am very curious about it, with the potential to run that as well as debian on my servers ;)

And I actually just switched to btrfs on my laptop, it's pretty good. My main desktop though is still on EXT4, I'll be waiting on the next LTS release of mint to switch that over to btrfs as well.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 29 January 2016, 09:09:57
Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop? I am getting increasingly tired of Apple's practices (glueing everything, making you buy the most expensive configuration to future-proof, etc.) and was thinking of building my own powerhouse rig with linux. But then I noticed that there are still many issues on the desktop. Is this still true?

For instance: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

List is really scaring the crap out of me.. I need stuff to work. I can do sysops and figure the **** out of my installation, but I do not want to break stuff continuously when I'm working on deadlines.

Looking at that particular article, I don't see anything glaringly inaccurate. But don't just consider the list, consider the entire article.

My reading is that the author does not intend to say that linux is garbage and it's impossible to use for real work. Rather, linux is one of many imperfect operating systems. For me, and for most of the work I do, I have found that the initial time investment of getting a linux workstation set up the way I want it has been worthwhile in terms of my enjoyment of the system overall. And while I can do well over 90% of the work I need to using linux, I've found it useful to keep a windows machine around for the other 5-10% of tasks.

Linux gaming is much improved from a few years ago, but it's definitely not a strong point of the platform. The solutions for using Windows-only software are poor, and provide a diminished experience. Audio is a bit of a mess to get working, but usually it's fine once one finds the configuration that meets their needs.

Articles like that one aren't intended to scare you off from using linux entirely. Rather, they should encourage you to reflect on your use case, and determine if linux is a viable option for your situation. If, after doing your own research, you feel that the benefits of linux outweigh the negatives, and represent an improvement from your current situation, I would encourage you to give it a try. If you choose hardware with a view to having well-supported and well-documented processes, I think you can avoid a fair number of the most frustrating pitfalls.

tl;dr that article is factually correct, but remember that every OS has problems. Whether linux is right for you rests on what you hope to do with it, and you need to decide for yourself if the time to set up a linux machine will be worthwhile to you or not.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 29 January 2016, 11:27:41
Enlightenment is interesting to me because it seems minimal and has some nice windows management feature, and you can jazz it up if you want.  I don't care too much about the ancient appearance, I'm more worried about function.  But if it has that lots of bugs and issues, well, screw it.  That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid.

I've tried nearly all the main desktop environments, and I think it's time to dive head on into a tiling windows manager, that's seems like what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 29 January 2016, 11:58:14
Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop? I am getting increasingly tired of Apple's practices (glueing everything, making you buy the most expensive configuration to future-proof, etc.) and was thinking of building my own powerhouse rig with linux. But then I noticed that there are still many issues on the desktop. Is this still true?

For instance: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

List is really scaring the crap out of me.. I need stuff to work. I can do sysops and figure the **** out of my installation, but I do not want to break stuff continuously when I'm working on deadlines.

Thanks! Insightful. I would mainly use desktop for latex, R, python, and terminal tools. But, unfortunately, I also use Adobe Illustrator / Photoshop, and I **need** the real MS Office.

Best solution I've come up with is use OSX with tmux + vim in terminal for real work and then I can just use other Adobe / MS apps. But I miss the raw horsepower in Linux.. El Capitan is VERY LAGGY on my 2010 MBP (fully specced and maxed out).

Looking at that particular article, I don't see anything glaringly inaccurate. But don't just consider the list, consider the entire article.

My reading is that the author does not intend to say that linux is garbage and it's impossible to use for real work. Rather, linux is one of many imperfect operating systems. For me, and for most of the work I do, I have found that the initial time investment of getting a linux workstation set up the way I want it has been worthwhile in terms of my enjoyment of the system overall. And while I can do well over 90% of the work I need to using linux, I've found it useful to keep a windows machine around for the other 5-10% of tasks.

Linux gaming is much improved from a few years ago, but it's definitely not a strong point of the platform. The solutions for using Windows-only software are poor, and provide a diminished experience. Audio is a bit of a mess to get working, but usually it's fine once one finds the configuration that meets their needs.

Articles like that one aren't intended to scare you off from using linux entirely. Rather, they should encourage you to reflect on your use case, and determine if linux is a viable option for your situation. If, after doing your own research, you feel that the benefits of linux outweigh the negatives, and represent an improvement from your current situation, I would encourage you to give it a try. If you choose hardware with a view to having well-supported and well-documented processes, I think you can avoid a fair number of the most frustrating pitfalls.

tl;dr that article is factually correct, but remember that every OS has problems. Whether linux is right for you rests on what you hope to do with it, and you need to decide for yourself if the time to set up a linux machine will be worthwhile to you or not.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 30 January 2016, 00:44:09
Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop?...

Years ago, wifi support was terrible, as was printer support. At this point, printer support is probably better than Mac and wifi support rivals Windows, sometimes better, sometimes worse, depending on the device and distro. Ubuntu based distros have really good support for both. If you use lots of pen source programs (Chrome, Firefox, etc.) you can often move between operating systems with relative ease really.

As User 18 said, it's perfectly capable of day to day use, it's that 10% where it has trouble.  Here is where you may need to get creative.

Photoshop and Ilustrator
You can get some versions of Photoshop to work in Wine, and some work quite well. You just need to find the ones that do work.  I've had 6, CS2 and CS4 working just fine, and I understand CS6 will work, but 5 is terrible.  My Wacom Penabled tablet functions perfectly with Ubuntu and Cs4, which is funny since it cannot run Windows newer than Winxp. On the other hand, have you looked at Krita and Gimp (both have Mac and Windows versions)? There is even a Gimp made to have a Photoshop interface (Gimpshop). Most things people do in Photoshop is simple editing, which these can easily do, you just need to adapt. Illustrator is much the same, except you use inkscape, which has made steady progress into Illustrators realm.


Your other stumbling block... Office.
Open Office is actually darn good, however if you need REAL office, it depends on the version you can get away with. 2010 can run pretty good in Wine. Word runs Excellent, Excell, Access and Outlook work well enough.



Overall though, you can run linux from a thumbstick with these alternate programs, why not download a popular distro and see just how it works on your system. You won't be able to install much on it without a few tricks, you can actually install a fully working, and usable Linux onto a thumbstick or create a stick with room to act as a hard drive using tools like Pendrive Linux. These will let you give it a try and see if it can do what you need.

I would recommend Lubuntu or Mint with Mate (this) as they have a more standard interface. I say that just so you won't get dismayed because of a funky interface you dislike (Unity is very polarizing). I'm not saying it's an easy switch, especially for power users, and you may not even pull it off, but considering you can do it for free and not disturb your current system, why not give it a try and see how close you can get.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 30 January 2016, 02:33:50
Plasma 5.5 has recently landed in Kubuntu Backports, and although the upgrade didn't go too well, it seems that I'll be leaving Xfce/Cinnamon again after a year on my laptop.

Xfce has terrible multihead support, if you need more than occasionally connect a projector; there are no hotkeys for moving between screens either. High-level support for Wacom tablets/digitizers is non-existent—everything has to be scripted.

Cinnamon is much better in these regards. Multihead configuration is straightforward and persistent, screen rotation is synchronized with digitizer orientation and has left me impressed. The main downside is that it has origins in Gnome's Hell and the whole GTK3 mess.

So yeah, Plasma it is. It's not 100% perfect yet, we're getting there.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: dan002 on Sat, 30 January 2016, 17:26:38
Does the laptop require more CPU power to run cinnamon? I remember on my ARMv7 laptop, xfce was one of the few solid desktop environments that worked. I don't remember if cinnamon was available at the time. However, I checked and the packages are there. I only wish I tried it out. Let me know how it runs on ARM if you can.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 30 January 2016, 18:25:12
Does the laptop require more CPU power to run cinnamon? I remember on my ARMv7 laptop, xfce was one of the few solid desktop environments that worked. I don't remember if cinnamon was available at the time. However, I checked and the packages are there. I only wish I tried it out. Let me know how it runs on ARM if you can.

I believe (although I am not sure) that Cinnamon is generally more resource-intensive than xfce. In my experience, xfce is fairly lightweight in general.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 30 January 2016, 23:32:59
Cinnamon is based on Gnome3, which is already heavier than XFCE. All are lighter than KDE.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: CSCoder4ever on Sat, 30 January 2016, 23:37:38
Personally for me, I am just waiting for LXQt to be a thing, because I personally would rather use Qt applications if I can.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: KRKS on Sun, 31 January 2016, 02:12:59
Personally for me, I am just waiting for LXQt to be a thing, because I personally would rather use Qt applications if I can.

Ever heard of Lumina? Yes, it's still in development, but it's already becoming "a thing" because of BSD's.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 31 January 2016, 05:19:04
I just use i3. But that's only good for coding, like tmux. I can image that it is a struggle for day-to-day casual browsing and stuff.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: CSCoder4ever on Sun, 31 January 2016, 10:16:24
Personally for me, I am just waiting for LXQt to be a thing, because I personally would rather use Qt applications if I can.

Ever heard of Lumina? Yes, it's still in development, but it's already becoming "a thing" because of BSD's.

Wow that's a beaut! I'll be keeping a close eye on that.

I just use i3. But that's only good for coding, like tmux. I can image that it is a struggle for day-to-day casual browsing and stuff.

I was able to do it for day-to-day use for quite a while, but then reality came in and made me realize it's not the most productive, just give me dmenu basically and I'm happy!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 31 January 2016, 10:19:12
Personally for me, I am just waiting for LXQt to be a thing, because I personally would rather use Qt applications if I can.

Ever heard of Lumina? Yes, it's still in development, but it's already becoming "a thing" because of BSD's.

Wow that's a beaut! I'll be keeping a close eye on that.

I just use i3. But that's only good for coding, like tmux. I can image that it is a struggle for day-to-day casual browsing and stuff.

I was able to do it for day-to-day use for quite a while, but then reality came in and made me realize it's not the most productive, just give me dmenu basically and I'm happy!

Curious... what made your i3-experience unproductive?
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: csmertx on Sun, 31 January 2016, 10:22:22
     I first read of Ubuntu the year after I graduated high school (2004), but at the time dual booting scared me a little.  I tried Mint/Cinnamon eight years after reading of Ubuntu.  A few years after trying Mint/Cinnamon I realized what I needed was a distro that I could build up, Mint had too many layers added for my tastes.  I settled on dual booting Linux Lite, I could build that up and watch my hardware resource monitors as I add new layers.  I suppose I'll try Arch on my spare computer sometime this year  ;)     
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: CSCoder4ever on Sun, 31 January 2016, 10:42:54
Curious... what made your i3-experience unproductive?

I was wanting to customize i3 more than I wanted to do my work.  :))

     I first read of Ubuntu the year after I graduated high school (2004), but at the time dual booting scared me a little.  I tried Mint/Cinnamon eight years after reading of Ubuntu.  A few years after trying Mint/Cinnamon I realized what I needed was a distro that I could build up, Mint had too many layers added for my tastes.  I settled on dual booting Linux Lite, I could build that up and watch my hardware resource monitors as I add new layers.  I suppose I'll try Arch on my spare computer sometime this year  ;)     

Arch is definitely something I would say everyone should try at least once, have fun with it!
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 31 January 2016, 10:56:19
Arch is definitely something I would say everyone should try at least once, have fun with it!

I really used to like Arch, but it used to break too often for me, distracting me from my actual work. Yes, I know it's rolling release. Perhaps it's better now.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: n__dles on Sun, 31 January 2016, 11:26:59
Curious... what made your i3-experience unproductive?

I was wanting to customize i3 more than I wanted to do my work.  :))

Arch is definitely something I would say everyone should try at least once, have fun with it!
Keep this man away from Gentoo!!!  :p
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 31 January 2016, 11:31:14
Curious... what made your i3-experience unproductive?

I was wanting to customize i3 more than I wanted to do my work.  :))

Arch is definitely something I would say everyone should try at least once, have fun with it!
Keep this man away from Gentoo!!!  :p

Memories.. once compiled Gentoo with KDE on a K7 700 Mhz Athlon... took me 3 days to compile everything.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 04 February 2016, 10:54:20
I have cards with just about every OS the Pi 2 can run laying around the house. Generally I use Mate.

I've been running Ubuntu on my old desktop for years now, and generally toy around with OS' on my Laptop. Currently running Arch on it.
Title: Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 04 February 2016, 10:57:30
tl;dr that article is factually correct, but remember that every OS has problems. Whether linux is right for you rests on what you hope to do with it, and you need to decide for yourself if the time to set up a linux machine will be worthwhile to you or not.

Precisely this, when considering for a more "professional" use. For those cases Ubuntu is ge