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Title: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Fictiouz on Mon, 19 September 2016, 06:58:15
Now I've been lurking here for quite sometime and just started posting a lot more frequently and am curious as to what the consensus is here:

Are you guys a lover of homing keys being bars or scoops or nipples? Or does it even matter?

I personally love scoops. They give a much more uniform look to the keycap set, they feel great, and are much more noticeable for me due to my typing style. One down fall I will note is that in profiles like DSA or SA where bars aren't available, I find there to be an inconsistency in the lettering that tends to bug me. (But they feel like butt to type on anyways) :))

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Dongulator on Mon, 19 September 2016, 07:42:41
Personally I prefer bars over scoops, no particular reason it's just what I have.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Fictiouz on Mon, 19 September 2016, 07:47:01
Personally I prefer bars over scoops, no particular reason it's just what I have.

So it's more of, the keyset I like has blank so I'm going to use blank. Or have you had prolonged experience with both?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 September 2016, 07:49:21
:deadhorse:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76169.0
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: algernon on Mon, 19 September 2016, 07:51:02
I currently have bars, not liking them much, they're too near the bottom of the key, and it takes effort sometimes to find them. A homing dot is much easier to notice (that's what I have at work). Have not tried the homing dish yet, not really interested in it, either: the homing dot is good enough for me.

And the homing dot is sometimes called a nipple. That's another good reason to love it.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Fictiouz on Mon, 19 September 2016, 07:52:20
:deadhorse:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76169.0

Thanks! Didn't really go sifting through any older posts before posting. At least I have a reason if there isn't that much discussion goes on here. :p
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Fictiouz on Mon, 19 September 2016, 07:55:27
I currently have bars, not liking them much, they're too near the bottom of the key, and it takes effort sometimes to find them. A homing dot is much easier to notice (that's what I have at work). Have not tried the homing dish yet, not really interested in it, either: the homing dot is good enough for me.

And the homing dot is sometimes called a nipple. That's another good reason to love it.

I always forget about the nipple because I find it much more uncommon in newer boards. The only board I have used with nipples was an AEK and IIRC they were on "D" and "K". My god that was a weird experience for me. I need to hunt down an MX set with nipples to get a better opinion on them.

Also, I can't argue with that. Nipples are now front runners because of the name.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 September 2016, 08:22:25
I prefer scoops in GMK sets; but I hate the small ones of DSA, do I have reasons for that?; well, the look, they fit very naturally with the set, feeling, your finger tips accommodate very well on them; finally, they are exclusive for GMK key cap sets, bars are just so common, even the cheapo rubber dome keyboard has bars.

See how smoothly the scoops blend with the other key caps:

(http://i.imgur.com/t9jrvv9.jpg)
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: potatobot on Mon, 19 September 2016, 09:39:54
bars  ;D
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: keyladding on Mon, 19 September 2016, 09:49:29
Bars.

But only if you are 21.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Fictiouz on Mon, 19 September 2016, 09:52:07
Bars.

But only if you are 21.

But what if you're from Canada; 19 :p
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: AMongoose on Mon, 19 September 2016, 09:57:49
Bars, tried nipples shortly and didn't like them.
I don't think i would like scoops, I rely too much on the homing feature and they don't seem different enough.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 19 September 2016, 10:04:19
Bars...

Given how OCD people here are about their typing experience I'm surprised people like scoops which actually feel significantly different as a key and when you press it vs. bars or nipples....and yet don't seem easier to find than bars (not to me anyways).

But they do look nice...

I think there is a bit of exclusivity around Scoops and maybe that plays a part in it...

IMO, bars should be offered on GMK sets just as much as any other of the options..some people disagree but realistically we offer things like 1800 support, 75% support, etc, etc so offering a mod set of bars in a GMK GB only makes sense..or as an included extra..it only makes sense...

Seen it in a few of them which has been great..and only after people expressed an opinion about it...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: infiniti on Mon, 19 September 2016, 10:28:37
I think this thread needs a poll...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 September 2016, 12:24:41
Scoops: Noblesse oblige, bars are for the peasants.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 19 September 2016, 16:01:10
I prefer boobs
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: mobbo on Mon, 19 September 2016, 16:30:54
I prefer boobs

A man of exquisite taste.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 September 2016, 16:34:37
I prefer boobs

A man of exquisite taste.

Snoopy is a girl,  :p
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: mobbo on Mon, 19 September 2016, 16:35:39
I prefer boobs

A man of exquisite taste.

Snoopy is a girl,  :p

A woman of exquisite taste.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: mobbo on Mon, 19 September 2016, 16:36:03
a person of exquisite taste
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 September 2016, 16:36:26
I prefer boobs

A man of exquisite taste.

Snoopy is a girl,  :p

A woman of exquisite taste.

I rest my case.  :'(
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: E3E on Mon, 19 September 2016, 16:51:09
Scoops have a nice feel, bars and scoops combined are intriguing. Deep dish sphericals are delightful. Dots are some of my favorites for Alps caps. I don't really dislike bars, but I don't really care for them either.

Several Alps caps I use have no homing keys at all and I have no problem with that.

Dots and scoops are my fave though.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: kenmai9 on Mon, 19 September 2016, 17:06:32
Bars. Beets. Battlestar Galactica
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 19 September 2016, 17:21:48
Let me repost this here:
[attach=1]

For maximum homing

--

Seriously tho, before I saw this post, I was thinking of adding some sort of homing indicator to the 2.25u Enter, I like the US layout, yet I hate pressing '" instead of Enter and posting stuff that I wasn't ready to post, my only remaining keyboard/layout issue - adding an indicator to one of those keycaps seems like an easy fix
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: 1swt2gs on Mon, 19 September 2016, 22:49:57
There's so many threads about this!

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bars+or+scoops+geekhack+site:geekhack.org
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 September 2016, 23:17:27
There's so many threads about this!

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bars+or+scoops+geekhack+site:geekhack.org (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bars+or+scoops+geekhack+site:geekhack.org)

It's a never ending discussion, but is could be fun at times.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: captsis on Tue, 20 September 2016, 02:06:57
I love SP's deepdish caps. If only they could make an entire set...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:07:04
I remember those ancient times, when we were silenced by a majority of infidel scoops users. Those were dark times, but then some voices started to rise, and even more after that, and a legion after those, finally finding what was making their keyboards slow and unusable, and recognising themselves the need to have bars, and to bar scoops from taking possession, once again, of their beloved keyboards.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 21 September 2016, 16:55:08
I love scoops, bars are like speed bumps for your typing experience
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 21 September 2016, 17:45:52
(http://i.imgur.com/1OXv2Nz.gif)

Scoops find a way...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 21 September 2016, 17:52:12

Scoops find a way...

I don't think I'd need a keyboard if I had a Jeff Goldblum  :p
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: captsis on Wed, 21 September 2016, 17:53:15

Scoops find a way...

I don't think I'd need a keyboard if I had a Jeff Goldblum  :p

I would...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 21 September 2016, 17:54:26

Scoops find a way...

I don't think I'd need a keyboard if I had a Jeff Goldblum  :p

oh my
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 21 September 2016, 17:55:28
(http://i.imgur.com/KXWcbkp.gif)
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 22 September 2016, 06:12:23
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/KXWcbkp.gif)


I don't know where I stand on Taylor Swift vs the JBlum... On the one hand, she's really hot. On the other hand... It's JBlum!
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: csmertx on Thu, 22 September 2016, 13:20:16
:deadhorse:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76169.0

Yikes
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 25 September 2016, 12:40:41
Most group buys now include bars, so yes, it may be a dead horse, but let's keep alive the memory of the bad times.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Moistgun on Sun, 25 September 2016, 12:42:40
Excited for hydro so I can actually test this and figure out my preference.. all ive tried is nipples and bars
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 25 September 2016, 15:54:45
Excited for hydro so I can actually test this and figure out my preference.. all ive tried is nipples and bars

Scoops may be remotely acceptable if you keep your hands in the same position all the time, but if you use many shortcuts, or your play games, or you use autocad, you'll see that bars are a necessity. Just by hovering, light like a breeze, on your keys, you'll understand where you are.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 27 September 2016, 13:06:20
personally i like bars more but GMK doesn't have them, so i end up with scoops anyway
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 27 September 2016, 13:37:05
personally i like bars more but GMK doesn't have them, so i end up with scoops anyway

most of new group buys have bars and scoops  :thumb:
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 27 September 2016, 13:49:49
Just picked up my first GMK set and it was also my first experience with scoops.  You're right about blending in.  In fact, when I was putting them on I was like, "oh crap, there's no way to feel the F and J keys."  And then I put my hands on the home row... OOOOOOhhhhhh, AAAAAAhhhh.  Scoops are nice!  I also think they are easier to locate quickly, since the scoop effects the entire cap,unlike the bar that is just at the bottom.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 02 October 2016, 04:04:49
Does this mean that polls are fixed?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Sun, 02 October 2016, 09:51:31
Just picked up my first GMK set and it was also my first experience with scoops.  You're right about blending in.  In fact, when I was putting them on I was like, "oh crap, there's no way to feel the F and J keys."  And then I put my hands on the home row... OOOOOOhhhhhh, AAAAAAhhhh.  Scoops are nice!  I also think they are easier to locate quickly, since the scoop effects the entire cap,unlike the bar that is just at the bottom.

I had the same experience the first time I used an OG Cherry set, it was a revelation, after years feeling the oddity of a bump under the sensitive finger tips the scoops where like a fresh air for the typing.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Vagabond on Sun, 02 October 2016, 10:23:49
Does this mean that polls are fixed?

Trump thinks so.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: skcheng on Sun, 02 October 2016, 10:48:43
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 02 October 2016, 12:29:04
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 02 October 2016, 12:31:15
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 02 October 2016, 14:23:06
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.


Has science gone too far?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 02 October 2016, 15:00:13
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

I guess he could be Gabe Law!
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Sun, 02 October 2016, 15:09:36
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 02 October 2016, 15:21:38
Same answer every time this comes up:

HHKB has barz. Barz win.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 02 October 2016, 15:45:40
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?

Here you go, sorry for the poor quality.

https://imgur.com/a/449OD

My biggest pet peeve for these Gateron PBT caps is that they're not actually dimensionally very close to OG Cherry/GMK, the height is about right, but the keycap is ever so slightly smaller than Cherry caps in each direction, especially noticable on the keytop. They're not bad once you get used to it, but it can be very jarring switching between the two.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Sun, 02 October 2016, 15:50:44
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?

Here you go, sorry for the poor quality.

https://imgur.com/a/449OD (https://imgur.com/a/449OD)

My biggest pet peeve for these Gateron PBT caps is that they're not actually dimensionally very close to OG Cherry/GMK, the height is about right, but the keycap is ever so slightly smaller than Cherry caps in each direction, especially noticable on the keytop. They're not bad once you get used to it, but it can be very jarring switching between the two.

That is very interesting to know, thank you very much for the feedback.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 02 October 2016, 15:51:53
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?

Here you go, sorry for the poor quality.

https://imgur.com/a/449OD

My biggest pet peeve for these Gateron PBT caps is that they're not actually dimensionally very close to OG Cherry/GMK, the height is about right, but the keycap is ever so slightly smaller than Cherry caps in each direction, especially noticable on the keytop. They're not bad once you get used to it, but it can be very jarring switching between the two.

Creep question: Is that a spin-top base in the background?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 02 October 2016, 16:58:02
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?

Here you go, sorry for the poor quality.

https://imgur.com/a/449OD

My biggest pet peeve for these Gateron PBT caps is that they're not actually dimensionally very close to OG Cherry/GMK, the height is about right, but the keycap is ever so slightly smaller than Cherry caps in each direction, especially noticable on the keytop. They're not bad once you get used to it, but it can be very jarring switching between the two.

Creep question: Is that a spin-top base in the background?

(http://i.imgur.com/OpinBL3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 02 October 2016, 17:46:01
Nice!

[attachimg=1]

:)
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 02 October 2016, 17:56:34
Nice!

(Attachment Link)

:)

Is that a lambda? (Super off topic now...)
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 02 October 2016, 18:28:05
Yes, the base is a foreverspin but pretty unusable, I really like the base you have, where is it from?

The lambda is both impressive, boring and scary, you spin, forget about it, and get startled when you hear a stumbling sound minutes later, so I end up just spinning the titanium foreverspin on wood

Bars vs Scoops is a rotten topic anyway, the war is already won for both sides, so I personally don't mind veering off topic :D
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 02 October 2016, 18:54:35
Yes, the base is a foreverspin but pretty unusable, I really like the base you have, where is it from?

The lambda is both impressive, boring and scary, you spin, forget about it, and get startled when you hear a stumbling sound minutes later, so I end up just spinning the titanium foreverspin on wood

Bars vs Scoops is a rotten topic anyway, the war is already won for both sides, so I personally don't mind veering off topic :D

Mine is also from foreverspin, from way before they added the tempered glass inlay. It's actually pretty terrible, it's relatively soft steel, I don't know what alloy they used, but it's only really suitable for foreverspin's own line of tops. The top I am currently using has a silicon nitride bearing on the tip, and it makes a tiny dent on the surface everytime I spin.

I've had best experience with just the bog-standard concave glass lens from ebay, cheap and cheerful.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 02 October 2016, 21:06:13
Same answer every time this comes up:

HHKB has barz. Barz win.

Model M has bars too - multiple win!
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 03 October 2016, 23:01:28
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?

Here you go, sorry for the poor quality.

https://imgur.com/a/449OD (https://imgur.com/a/449OD)

My biggest pet peeve for these Gateron PBT caps is that they're not actually dimensionally very close to OG Cherry/GMK, the height is about right, but the keycap is ever so slightly smaller than Cherry caps in each direction, especially noticable on the keytop. They're not bad once you get used to it, but it can be very jarring switching between the two.

That is very interesting to know, thank you very much for the feedback.

Oh god, what where they thinking when the designed the set!

Having a successful product requires engineers with brainz.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 04 October 2016, 20:54:59
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?

Here you go, sorry for the poor quality.

https://imgur.com/a/449OD (https://imgur.com/a/449OD)

My biggest pet peeve for these Gateron PBT caps is that they're not actually dimensionally very close to OG Cherry/GMK, the height is about right, but the keycap is ever so slightly smaller than Cherry caps in each direction, especially noticable on the keytop. They're not bad once you get used to it, but it can be very jarring switching between the two.

That is very interesting to know, thank you very much for the feedback.

Oh god, what where they thinking when the designed the set!

Having a successful product requires engineers with brainz.

All you'd need is a nipple on them to make them satisfy everyone!

But then no-one would probably buy them :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Tue, 04 October 2016, 21:05:20
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?

Here you go, sorry for the poor quality.

https://imgur.com/a/449OD (https://imgur.com/a/449OD)

My biggest pet peeve for these Gateron PBT caps is that they're not actually dimensionally very close to OG Cherry/GMK, the height is about right, but the keycap is ever so slightly smaller than Cherry caps in each direction, especially noticable on the keytop. They're not bad once you get used to it, but it can be very jarring switching between the two.

That is very interesting to know, thank you very much for the feedback.

Oh god, what where they thinking when the designed the set!

Having a successful product requires engineers with brainz.

All you'd need is a nipple on them to make them satisfy everyone!

But then no-one would probably buy them ::)

Products for everyone tend to turn into purchasing for no one.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 05 October 2016, 04:04:02
I like scoops, but my son can only use nubs, so I vote for both on GMK sets

I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

If he ever absorbs his son, and become one mega entity, Gateron scoop-bumps would work for him, I'm guessing

Do you have a picture of those scoops with bumps?

Here you go, sorry for the poor quality.

https://imgur.com/a/449OD (https://imgur.com/a/449OD)

My biggest pet peeve for these Gateron PBT caps is that they're not actually dimensionally very close to OG Cherry/GMK, the height is about right, but the keycap is ever so slightly smaller than Cherry caps in each direction, especially noticable on the keytop. They're not bad once you get used to it, but it can be very jarring switching between the two.

That is very interesting to know, thank you very much for the feedback.

Oh god, what where they thinking when the designed the set!

Having a successful product requires engineers with brainz.

All you'd need is a nipple on them to make them satisfy everyone!

But then no-one would probably buy them ::)

Products for everyone tend to turn into purchasing for no one.

Try to satisfy everyone, and you'll end up satisfying no-one.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rurushu on Sat, 08 October 2016, 00:51:57
prefer scoops over bars  ^-^
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 09 October 2016, 04:01:55
prefer scoops over bars  ^-^

Why?

I find that my fingers can't distinguish scoops very well, but bars I can find in an instant.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 09 October 2016, 08:47:05
Do you have sausage fingers?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 09 October 2016, 08:57:21
Do you have sausage fingers?

Types fast, lives hard.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 09 October 2016, 20:38:35
Do you have sausage fingers?

Me?  No, long thin fingers.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: benderkey on Mon, 10 October 2016, 10:57:09
Broke the tie.

Bars win!
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 10 October 2016, 20:23:15
Broke the tie.

Bars win!

Yay!

Model M has bars anyway!
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: csmertx on Tue, 11 October 2016, 00:48:02
I think I voted neither but I'm partial to bars since that is all I've known thus far
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rurushu on Wed, 12 October 2016, 21:47:07
prefer scoops over bars  ^-^

Why?

I find that my fingers can't distinguish scoops very well, but bars I can find in an instant.
Hmm... for me finding them is not difficult for scoops or bars, but after tried scoops, felt they are nice to the touch, that is all
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Dr_Alphabet on Wed, 12 October 2016, 21:53:29
I just got my first taste of scoops with the recent hyperfuse release. At first, I didn't even recognize they were there but now I ****ing love them. They just cradle your tips so lovingly and unobtrusively. I will never go back.

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Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rurushu on Wed, 12 October 2016, 21:58:08
I just got my first taste of scoops with the recent hyperfuse release. At first, I didn't even recognize they were there but now I ****ing love them. They just cradle your tips so lovingly and unobtrusively. I will never go back.

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Right, right? They felt so noice
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:04:50
I just got my first taste of scoops with the recent hyperfuse release. At first, I didn't even recognize they were there but now I ****ing love them. They just cradle your tips so lovingly and unobtrusively. I will never go back.

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Welcome to the club!
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rioc on Thu, 13 October 2016, 02:07:37
wow, didn't expect the vote results to be so even
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Thu, 13 October 2016, 06:10:31
wow, didn't expect the vote results to be so even

Bars are getting traction. It was a little bit lower on the last vote.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 13 October 2016, 06:16:10
Before using bars, I was neither by the way, since I don't use a 10-finger style, homing seemed pointless, tho, practically, I've grown to love the bars, very quickly too

Now that I'm so used to bars, using D/SA keycaps back again is problematic, wish they made an alternative bar-like nudge (wouldn't look good tho) - the nipple would probably be too extreme for me, I guess it's another reason to stick to GMK's
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 October 2016, 07:07:26
Before using bars, I was neither by the way, since I don't use a 10-finger style, homing seemed pointless, tho, practically, I've grown to love the bars, very quickly too

Now that I'm so used to bars, using D/SA keycaps back again is problematic, wish they made an alternative bar-like nudge (wouldn't look good tho) - the nipple would probably be too extreme for me, I guess it's another reason to stick to GMK's


 I Agree that the deep dish on DSA sucks.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 13 October 2016, 07:12:14
I Agree that the deep dish on DSA sucks.

Hmm, very interesting, I guess because the bottom and top edges aren't scooped? (So instead of leaving your finger, it might be gripping it in place)

If most scoop users similarly find D/SA dishes sub-optimal, I guess we might have a case for an alternative homing design for D/SA keycaps
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: wodan on Thu, 13 October 2016, 07:15:06
I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

So you're saying they're .... bi ?

Works for some ...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rioc on Thu, 13 October 2016, 09:33:37
can't we have barred-scoops?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 October 2016, 10:34:37
I think Gateron keycaps comes in Cherry profile (reasonable similar to actual Cherry/GMK although not 100% the same) and their homing keys are both scooped and barred, it's kinda strange, but might work for you.

So you're saying they're .... bi ?

Works for some ...


 :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Thu, 13 October 2016, 14:22:41
What is better, a scooped bar, or a barred scoop?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 13 October 2016, 14:23:53
What is better, a scooped bar, or a barred scoop?

A scoop in bars
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rioc on Fri, 14 October 2016, 01:06:04
What is better, a scooped bar, or a barred scoop?

A bar in scoops
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 14 October 2016, 01:08:11
Oh boy.
I've been GH long enough to see a few too many bar fights.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rioc on Fri, 14 October 2016, 01:20:24
Oh boy.
I've been GH long enough to see a few too many bar fights.

just wait till this next fight Scoops you up :P
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 14 October 2016, 01:28:05
Oh boy.
I've been GH long enough to see a few too many bar fights.

just wait till this next fight Scoops you up :P

oh boy
that might get my nipples in a twist
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rioc on Fri, 14 October 2016, 03:25:37
Oh boy.
I've been GH long enough to see a few too many bar fights.

just wait till this next fight Scoops you up :P

oh boy
that might get my nipples in a twist

oh man... you're right, what's with the nipples? How could nipples be forgotten?

I want DSA with bulge and nippel... (or even cheeks?)
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: jgodinez302 on Fri, 14 October 2016, 16:05:34
I'm more of a scooped contour myself. For some reason I always home better with that than I do with the bars.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: DanB on Wed, 19 October 2016, 13:51:07
I prefer scoops as it kinda guides my pointers to rest on the caps, but at the same time, bars feel fine too.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: orpheo on Fri, 21 October 2016, 03:46:40
First I typed on OG cherry with scooped and I felt lost, but it grew on me! Love both scooped and nipple on my Wey Tec GMK!
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 23 October 2016, 05:04:49
HHKB and Model M both have bars.

Why is this thread still open?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Otesanek on Mon, 24 October 2016, 00:03:10
I'm definitely a bars man.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 06 November 2016, 01:23:24
The cost of a 1u key added to a complete set is 0.5.

So if you add f j 5 with bars, you only add 1.5 to the final price, while making happy the majority of group buyers, and selling a higher number of sets.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 06 November 2016, 10:29:50
^ It's easy to do it this way, everybody is pleased (un theory, because you will allways have a hater saying "I don't want to pay for bars/scoops if I don't use them" :P )
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:18:27
nipples
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: funderburker on Tue, 16 July 2019, 17:49:28
Boops
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: csmertx on Tue, 16 July 2019, 19:39:22
Boops

^
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:26:06
nipples

Are you participating in the discussion, or was that just a general observation?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Mon, 22 July 2019, 08:32:49
nipples

Are you participating in the discussion, or was that just a general observation?

I thought at the very least they should be included in the discussion!
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: romevi on Mon, 22 July 2019, 08:41:48
Bars.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Mon, 22 July 2019, 08:46:27
Bars.

but they set the bar so low  :(
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:53:13
I have found that e-pbt molds have both bars and scoops. which are the best.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: appaboy on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:55:15
scoops all day every day, bars feel really bad to me, and its why im more discouraged from using my topre boards (i dont like hipro either)
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Sintpinty on Mon, 22 July 2019, 20:33:19
In my opinion, scoops much more better.
Soft, the feels
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 22 July 2019, 21:54:38
"A, B and C walked into a scoop" doesn't sound right.

"A, B and C walked into a bar" does.

"A, B and C walked into a nipple" is a completely different genre of story.

The bars have it.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Sintpinty on Sat, 03 August 2019, 10:19:55
Same answer every time this comes up:

HHKB has barz. Barz win.


Bars are itchy! 😡
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Benitone on Wed, 04 September 2019, 16:58:05
I'm on a scoop phase, but some uses require bars, for example when using a small keyboard with some kind of entertainment system, while sort of sleeping on the sofa
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: csmertx on Wed, 04 September 2019, 17:37:43
"A, B and C walked into a scoop" doesn't sound right.

"A, B and C walked into a bar" does.

"A, B and C walked into a nipple" is a completely different genre of story.

The bars have it.

dang  :))
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 04 September 2019, 21:34:50
A bar broken up into two small dots.
I read somewhere that if you have carpal-tunnel syndrome then you wouldn't be able to distinguish the two dots as being separate.

Edit: I found a note saying that I had heard it in an episode of Dr Oz.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Venaros on Thu, 05 September 2019, 17:22:27
Scoops feel better, bars are more effective.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 05 September 2019, 21:38:16
Scoops feel better, bars are more effective.
I concur sir.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 08 September 2019, 22:03:24
Scoops feel better, bars are more effective.

Scoops feel like you have tow fingers that are slightly too short ;)
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Benitone on Thu, 12 September 2019, 18:18:14
Three was a time when group buys didn't include bars. Dark times.

The worst offender is gateron: the use scoops and bars. In the same cap. How sad.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: JerkChicken456 on Fri, 13 September 2019, 01:38:32
 my first keyset was epbt which had both scooped and bars.. and dare i say it.. but i liked it  :cool:

Bars for the feels.. scoops for the looks
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 15 September 2019, 22:08:30
my first keyset was epbt which had both scooped and bars.. and dare i say it.. but i liked it  :cool:

Bars for the feels.. scoops for the looks

And we can all type without looking, by feeling the keycaps, right?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 04 October 2019, 18:54:57
I know people joke about it..

But a few years back, this was an honest discussion where there were some that were of the very stringent belief that GMK should only be scoops...and that offering FJ with bars was a waste not used by many...and it would be a waste...even though most of the time the sets offer plenty of extras that many people will also not use. 

Thankfully bars seems to be offered as some of the extra keys in the group buys people are doing for GMK...which was always the right decision...far more than say, offering ISO or 75% or 1800 as part of the included keys...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: csmertx on Fri, 04 October 2019, 20:02:22
Serious question: is it possible to feel scoops or deep dishes accurately with fingertips?  So far I've only dealt with bars/numpad nipples as a touch typist.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: ideus on Fri, 04 October 2019, 20:25:26
my first keyset was epbt which had both scooped and bars.. and dare i say it.. but i liked it  8)

Bars for the feels.. scoops for the looks

Bars and scoops rock.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Capsmiths on Mon, 07 October 2019, 14:40:10
Bars are just so quick and easy to feel
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 10 October 2019, 00:49:35
Serious question: is it possible to feel scoops or deep dishes accurately with fingertips?  So far I've only dealt with bars/numpad nipples as a touch typist.

Yes...it takes a bit of getting used to if you haven't used them before...at first it feels like something is both missing and gripping your index fingers at the same time...(Smooth on the finger tips, something gripping the edges). 

I find bars are much easier to find...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 03 November 2019, 01:31:37
According to the poll results, bars are the clear winner.

Can we close this thread yet?
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 05 November 2019, 00:12:03
Why?  What's the point of closing the thread at all?  That only happens when you don't want anyone to post on it any longer...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 05 November 2019, 04:07:10
This is Geekhack. Threads don't get closed because they are old.

If you want a snapshot of a poll, right click and choose "Save As" or hit Print Screen.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: phinix on Tue, 05 November 2019, 09:06:11
Bars. For some reason its hard for me to feel the difference on scoops on SA...
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Sintpinty on Thu, 14 November 2019, 07:05:03
According to the poll results, bars are the clear winner.

Can we close this thread yet?

SCOOPS FTW
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Gampela on Thu, 14 November 2019, 09:43:52
Just bars for now. Is no one else experiecing extra clack when bottoming out cherry (enjoyPBT) scooped + bars homing keys, the keycap hitting the switch housing or something.  Entirely vanilla south-facing cherry switches without any leds. Really noticeable with silenced switches when pressing upper part of the keycap.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:20:28
Cherry and GMK keycaps are scooped and do not hit the switch top when bottoming out. That is only the fault of Gateron/EnjoyPBT.
I use Cherry-original thick PBT keycaps with Zealencio silencing clips and don't notice less key travel on the scooped keys.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Sintpinty on Mon, 25 November 2019, 12:09:49
 s c o o p
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: directheatedtriode on Thu, 28 November 2019, 11:47:33
Serious question: is it possible to feel scoops or deep dishes accurately with fingertips?  So far I've only dealt with bars/numpad nipples as a touch typist.

It took me a while to get used to scoops, for the longest time I'd be typing sentences with gibberish if I removed/returned my hands from the home row.

Edit: have only used scoops with GMK.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: JinTea on Wed, 04 December 2019, 23:26:44
Serious question: is it possible to feel scoops or deep dishes accurately with fingertips?  So far I've only dealt with bars/numpad nipples as a touch typist.

I feel the same way. The bars seem so much easier to find that I never even bothered considering scoops until I came across this post.
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: subluxe on Thu, 19 March 2020, 03:42:03
Bars if I really had to choose between the two, but my personal preference is neither
Title: Re: Bars or Scoops?
Post by: Xerpocalypse on Sat, 21 March 2020, 13:26:10
Boops
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