When is Election Day?November 8th
What could possibly happen..Unlike every thinking man in the Western world outside the USA, Trump does not believe in global warming. He would tear up the Paris treaty... setting back progress ten years. The Paris treaty needs USA to be in to be effective. Not that the treaty was very effective to begin with, requiring only the bare minimum which would satisfy only the most optimistic scenario.
What could possibly happen..Unlike every thinking man in the Western world outside the USA, Trump does not believe in global warming. He would tear up the Paris treaty... setting back progress ten years. The Paris treaty needs USA to be in to be effective. Not that the treaty was very effective to begin with, requiring only the bare minimum which would satisfy only the most optimistic scenario.
No prominent world leader wants to be associated with Trump. They have too much integrity for that. USA would have little to no political influence in the world - that is not leveraged with military force. That does not bode well.
In the newspaper I read today, I read that a financial institute had calculated that if Trump would win then USA would be in for a long recession much worse than the 2008 financial crisis.
In other words. Trump would be a global catastrophe.
Mass unemployment. In twenty-thirty years, parts of southern/central USA would be uninhabitable.
Goodbye cheap coffee. Goodbye affordable chocolate. Everyone would have to eat ramen. (...)
Wall against Mexico - what would that help? You are kidding yourself if you think Mexico would be paying a cent for that. More likely, Mexicans in USA would want to move back as soon as the US economy shows signs of weakness (something that the Trump administration probably would spin somehow). USA would invade a South or Central American country to steal their natural resources as a short-term fix for a shortage back home but unlike US' previous wars of conquest this century, people would distrust the propaganda from the spin doctors and morale would be at the bottom.
In a hundred years because of sea-level rise, many coastal towns such as Miami and New Orleans would be no more.
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.
There is so much stupid in this thread (everything that is bad is actually good!) that I'm hesitant to give an actual answer, but here it goes.
Every elected government in the world is eventually made up from two parties. In European Parliamentary systems (which are what most Americans look at when complaining about the us process) there are many parties, but after the election if there is not a majority party there is deal making and compromise made to create a coalition government. In the United States two party system, the brokering of these deals happens before the election. It is incorrect to think of the Democratic or Republican Party as a monolithic party made up of people with narrow interests. They are best thought of as coalitions of groups with some similar interests, and compromise is made to form a platform. This coalition building happens at the primary stage. So if you sat around not paying attention until the general election and wonder why you don't have choices you like, you already missed the boat. If you want to enact real change in the way that people have access to make change in government through voting, you need to work towards primary reform, not the destruction of a two party system. Things like winner take all primaries, caucuses, closed primaries, and other tools are the bigger problem.
Going further, you can see the failures of the GOP in building an effective coalition this election during the primary stage. Some of this was due to bad leadership, some of it is due to bad primary rules. Since Goldwater nearly burnt the whole thing down, the Republican Party has been a coalition of the small government/personal liberty crowd, the strong national defense crowd, the fiscal conservatives, and the social conservatives. As you can see, some of these are in opposition to each other (social conservative vs personal liberty). In the year's gop primary, you could see different candidates with different priorities and the big failure of the party was never seeking to build any kind of coalition. In fact, everyone was happy to fracture the party further to make their own inflexible stand.
Which does bring us to how Trump fits into all of this. If you look at the rough groups above, which one is he? He's not a small government proponent, not a social conservative, a little for liberties but not that either, not a proponent of a large military reach, and he sure as hell isn't a fiscal conservative. It turns out I didn't list one major group: the white nationalist vote. The GOP for years didn't want to talk about this, and explicitly stated in the 2012 election post-mortem that they needed to pivot away from being the party of white nationalism. It turns out that racism and xeophobia runs deep, and Trump's support is built mostly on white males with limited education and isolationist and exclusionary ideals, and that group is much, much bigger than many had anticipated.
But don't take my word for it, Shakespeare said it all before. If you're complicit in this tragedy, which kind of voter are you? http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/shakespeare-explains-the-2016-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&_r=0&referer=
I can't help but think that we've been bullied into making one of two bad choices: by the early Republican Trump supporters who allowed him the foothold to climb over better candidates, and Democrat insiders who had already anointed Clinton in the DNC before the primaries. I will reluctantly vote for Trump though it sickens me. My reasons are threefold, two policy related and one visceral.
First, I think it's an effrontery to the Constitution to appoint judges to the SCOTUS who think it's their duty to act as lawmakers. That is the job of the Legislature not activist judges of either ideology. Roe v Wade and the recent Affordable Healthcare decisions are examples of making law under the guise of interpretation and will never be accepted by the whole population because it was legislated by the bench and not by the people. Trump favors the appointment of judges who will interpret the founding documents, not make law.
Second, I'm not comfortable with forfeiting our ranking as a prominent country to be one voice of many in a global government. Whether it's borderless countries or loss of autonomy in world affairs, it's a cheap concession for a country with little to offer and even less to lose. Not so for the US. I'm not blind about the need to adapt and work together but some of the globalist talk I read about is quite unsettling.
And finally, I personally find Mrs. Clinton to be a less than inspiring sight. Some will call me sexist but they'd be mistaken. It's not that she's a woman but rather her style; the way she presents herself. I find little to be inspired by. She cackles when she laughs, her loud rallying shouts appear to be fake or at least forced, and when she is triumphant I just want to wipe that smug look off of her face. You may say I'm being petty but appearance is part of the package that makes a leader. I won't even go into ethical charges levied against her; the same could be said against Trump.
We have two flawed candidates to choose from. In some ways whichever one wins, we still lose. I hope that whoever does, they find that we will be able to at least give them a chance and not try to sabotage their efforts to improve our nation. I would encourage you to read an article I wrote several weeks ago that speaks to this issue.https://kurplopintheshop.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/blog-post-title/
See dancing at the 2016 Libertarian convention. I would have voted for Ron Paul in a second in he was on the ballot.Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.
Probably because or third parties are often more bat**** crazy. That and, for some unknown reason, we have created super parties that do not have more unified beliefs. Our Democratic and Republican parties have enough differing beliefs that we could easily split each of them into at least three or four parties, kind of like most of the rest if the world does.
See dancing at the 2016 Libertarian convention. I would have voted for Ron Paul in a second in he was on the ballot.Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond me, but on subject he is better than hillary. Atleast he doesn't want to start a war with Russia. And I think that four years with him might not actually have that much to say. He will likely be controlled by someone who knows a bit more about what they are doing, and he knows a thing or two about economics.
Probably because or third parties are often more bat**** crazy. That and, for some unknown reason, we have created super parties that do not have more unified beliefs. Our Democratic and Republican parties have enough differing beliefs that we could easily split each of them into at least three or four parties, kind of like most of the rest if the world does.
First, I think it's an effrontery to the Constitution to appoint judges to the SCOTUS who think it's their duty to act as lawmakers. That is the job of the Legislature not activist judges of either ideology. Roe v Wade and the recent Affordable Healthcare decisions are examples of making law under the guise of interpretation and will never be accepted by the whole population because it was legislated by the bench and not by the people. Trump favors the appointment of judges who will interpret the founding documents, not make law.
I can't help but think that we've been bullied into making one of two bad choices: by the early Republican Trump supporters who allowed him the foothold to climb over better candidates, and Democrat insiders who had already anointed Clinton in the DNC before the primaries.
It's interesting to learn how people justify their vote for Trump and delude themselves into thinking that he is actually focused on anything but himself. The main reason that individuals are interested in voting for Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
And please, attack me for not holding Hillary to the same standard. But she has shown that she is willing to listen to advisers, learn from experience, work together with various parties, use all that to make decisions and try to address problems, and take years of constant criticism like a champ. While egotistical and power hungry. Trump hasn't done any of that, and will serve himself above all.
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Global Catastrophe.. More like Global re-balancing.. This is precisely what we need for Long run equality and progress..Don't play the idiot. You know better than that.
Global Catastrophe.. More like Global re-balancing.. This is precisely what we need for Long run equality and progress..Don't play the idiot. You know better than that.
I still wonder as to whether or not someone paid Trump to run. I'm a little worried what will happen with global relations after this presidency regardless of who wins--although my gut feeling says we'll do just fine with Hillary as president. Some countries might be hesitant to shake hands but I think a potential post-Trump USA would have more security issues to deal with in the long haul.
I'm not even a third party supporter--I'm one of them Independent aliens of the underworld.
The real question isn't "Do you think Hillary will be a good President?"All I know about this guy is he really likes to number stuff.
The question is, "Will Tim Kaine be a good President once Hillary succumbs to her Parkinson's?"
President Tim doesn't exactly roll of the tongue...
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That first guy is the one that supposedly carries around her Diazepam pen.
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You assume that judges like Scalia did not do the same. I hate the "lawmaker" judge argument since the judges are not acting in that manner, they are treating the Constitution like a living document and make judgement based upon the changing times. The other side believes that the Constitution is a document stuck in concrete. Conservative judges are willing to reinterpret the Constitution however they want to until it's something they mostly object to, like gay marriage. You see the same BS within the Christian right. The Bible is a living document until they decide there's a group worthy of their hate. The Bible condemns mixing fabrics, women teaching, women being in church with their heads uncovered, makeup, tattoos, divorce, and so on, but those are all okay because the Bible is a living document.
If Congress disagrees with a court ruling, it is their duty to pass laws to correct the perceived deficiency. I'd purple disagree, it is their duty to let their representative know and, of necessary, begin the process to add amendments. The court is there to interpret the Constitution. That does not mean I agree with all their rulings, but I do not see them as activists.
And how can you be so concerned about the Supreme Court when Trump had actively started that he wants to abridge and trample our Constitutional rights, starting with the First Amendment.
It's interesting to learn how people justify their vote for Trump and delude themselves into thinking that he is actually focused on anything but himself. The main reason that individuals are interested in voting for Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
And please, attack me for not holding Hillary to the same standard. But she has shown that she is willing to listen to advisers, learn from experience, work together with various parties, use all that to make decisions and try to address problems, and take years of constant criticism like a champ. While egotistical and power hungry. Trump hasn't done any of that, and will serve himself above all.
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
good enough. also, she cannot be trusted
I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Maybe many think that Trump's harsh words are mostly hot air. Don't be fooled by that. He is a total a-hole in action as well.
Here is a documentary from 2011 about how he bulldozered and bullied locals in Scotland when he was building a luxury golf course there. It's a long documentary.
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Today, five years later, they have still not got their running water restored.
After this there was a petition to the parliament (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003) in the UK to ban Trump from entry into the country. That petition gained far over half a million signatures - more signatures than any petition to the parliament before, but the government turned it down only because they did not find it legal to act in individual cases.
Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
good enough. also, she cannot be trusted
You trust Trump? Other than to do what's best for Trump?
Conversely, you trust Hillary? Yes I trust him. Hillary I trust 0% I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
one fails to see why you guys are so upset about us winning.*sigh*
one fails to see why you guys are so upset about us winning.*sigh*
That reminds me of discussions of the Iraq war back in the early naughties. USA and a couple of naive allies were invading Iraq to snatch their oil and install a puppet government. In one discussion we managed to persuade an American what it was really about, that it was a criminal act, not related to 9/11 at all and planned a long time ago.
But even though he recognized the US aggression as criminal, against International law, he still persisted to defend his government's wrongful actions with: "To the victors go the spoils".
However, while the Iraq invasion was conducted poorly, there were valid reasons.Ends and means... Maybe it was one of several bugs to kill with one stone but I doubt that was the biggest reason.
Maybe many think that Trump's harsh words are mostly hot air. Don't be fooled by that. He is a total a-hole not just in words but in action as well.
Here is a documentary from 2011 about how he bulldozered and bullied locals in Scotland when he was building a luxury golf course there. It's a long documentary.
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Today, five years later, locals have still not got their running water restored after Trumps' workers had cut it off.
Trump had got special permission to destroy the protected coastline for his golf course because he had promised 6000 jobs. The result became 95 part-time low-pay jobs.
After this there was a petition to the parliament (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003) in the UK to ban Trump from entry into the country. That petition gained far over half a million signatures - more signatures than any petition to the parliament before, but the government turned it down only because they did not find it legal to act in individual cases.
If you Americans elect him, then he will lie for you and destroy things for you as well and then try to excuse it by trashtalking you, just like he did in Aberdeenshire.
However, while the Iraq invasion was conducted poorly, there were valid reasons.Ends and means... Maybe it was one of several bugs to kill with one stone but I doubt that was the biggest reason.
Most Americans are not aware of PNAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) and if they did they would be outraged. Iraq and Afghanistan were supposed to be springboards for invasions of Iran and Syria.
The no-fly zone could probably have been upheld from Turkey and Kuwait.
Most Americans are not aware of PNAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) and if they did they would be outraged.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
good enough. also, she cannot be trusted
You trust Trump? Other than to do what's best for Trump?
Conversely, you trust Hillary? Yes I trust him. Hillary I trust 0% I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
good enough. also, she cannot be trusted
You trust Trump? Other than to do what's best for Trump?
Conversely, you trust Hillary? Yes I trust him. Hillary I trust 0% I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?
Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.
I just want this election to be over with, depending on the outcome I can continue living my life as normal or I start digging the fallout shelter in the backyard.
he has reasons. calling trump racist is like wtf. his wife is foreign...
I just want this election to be over with, depending on the outcome I can continue living my life as normal or I start digging the fallout shelter in the backyard.
Amen to that
Conversely, you trust Hillary? Yes I trust him. Hillary I trust 0% I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
good enough. also, she cannot be trusted
You trust Trump? Other than to do what's best for Trump?
Conversely, you trust Hillary? Yes I trust him. Hillary I trust 0% I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?
Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.
he has reasons. calling trump racist is like wtf. his wife is foreign...
Hillary really wants to be president..
Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.
TRUMP, on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.
That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure, because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..
Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..
Hillary really wants to be president..
Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.
TRUMP, on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.
That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure, because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..
Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..
Hillary really wants to be president..
Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.
TRUMP, on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.
That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure, because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..
Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..
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Hillary really wants to be president..
Thats why she would be a bad president, because she wants to Be President more so than doing the things presidents do.
TRUMP, on the otherhand.. hell his life is AWESOME from the standpoint of just living wealthy with nearly no responsibilities.
That is the type of person who can't be swayed by political pressure, because his answer to every squeeze is FFF off.. Don't care..
Trump will make a significantly better president simply because he has nothing to lose OR gain by becoming president..
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Hahahahahahahhaha...
Essentially, when you have all the things that you could possibly have, despite likely becoming numb to the plight of those with less, at the very least, such state imparts a sense objectivity..
That is to say, the rich man is more LIKELY to make an objective decision, because he is not swayed by time-pressed emotions..
I think this is probably difficult for much of the working class to understand..
When you are hungry, you see a very narrow picture, because you need to eat...
When you are full, only then can you see outside of oneself..
Now, the job of president, Hillary is not hungry for food, but she is hungry for power and Title.. And because of that, she can be bought, she can be manipulated, and she can be pressured..
Trump is not the same, in that he's just a Good-For-Nothing Rich guy , who's having a laugh at being alive.. This is the better choice for president by far..
I hope this explains the previous post ...
tp4 just talked about Trump's "objectivity" while implying he isn't swayed by his emotions.
At this point it's pretty fair to say he has watched literally nothing the man has done or said for the past... forever.
“Trump has shown that our message is healthy, normal and organic — and millions of Americans agree with us,” said Matthew M. Heimbach, a co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network, a white nationalist group that claims to support the interests of working-class whites. It also advocates the separation of the races.
But Mr. Heimbach added that he and other white nationalists were grateful to Mr. Trump for championing ideas they support.
Quote“Trump has shown that our message is healthy, normal and organic — and millions of Americans agree with us,” said Matthew M. Heimbach, a co-founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network, a white nationalist group that claims to support the interests of working-class whites. It also advocates the separation of the races.
AndQuoteBut Mr. Heimbach added that he and other white nationalists were grateful to Mr. Trump for championing ideas they support.
Source: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-extremist-supporters.html
Not racist, just "dedicated to the preservation of European heritage and identity" amirite?
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
good enough. also, she cannot be trusted
You trust Trump? Other than to do what's best for Trump?
Conversely, you trust Hillary? Yes I trust him. Hillary I trust 0% I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?
Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.
he has reasons. calling trump racist is like wtf. his wife is foreign...
You keep saying that word, racist. I don't think it means what you think it means.
I said it one time, the other side will say it forever. I know how to use a dictionary.
Wait, it's a liberal strategy to call names?Trump seems to be that he is not Clinton and we would be worse off under Clinton.
good enough. also, she cannot be trusted
You trust Trump? Other than to do what's best for Trump?
Conversely, you trust Hillary? Yes I trust him. Hillary I trust 0% I would call her a name, but that's more a liberal strategy.
Have you ever listened to Donald Trump, ever?
Lyin' ted, Little Marco, CROOKED HILLARY.
he has reasons. calling trump racist is like wtf. his wife is foreign...
You keep saying that word, racist. I don't think it means what you think it means.
I said it one time, the other side will say it forever. I know how to use a dictionary.
So a white man, marrying a white woman has the proof of not being racist against other races? Hmmm...
so a married white woman to a cheating man has the right to talk about how he treats women?
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so a married white woman to a cheating man has the right to talk about how he treats women?
he has reasons. calling trump racist is like wtf. his wife is foreign...
I wonder how long it will be before trump concedes if Clinton wins?
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:Yeah, I posted it on here yesterday as well. Hey, at least HE didn't have any nukes :/ .Show Image(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:
Seems kind of asinine. Neither Hitler nor Trump drink either, and maybe Trump even likes dogs as well.
You could just as easily do it the opposite way:
Dear Americans,
Go ahead, vote for the power hungry woman with no conscience, who cares more about foreigners than the safety of her own citizens, will force your country into disadvantageous economic globalism, who claims that only she understands the plight of the oppressed. What could possibly go wrong?
Good luck,
-The People of Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
and he knows a thing or two about economics.
and he knows a thing or two about economics.
a country is not a company
he knows a thing or two about economics.Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.he knows a thing or two about economics.Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
She doesn't want to build another Hadrian's Wall though. That alone is a +1 in my book.I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.he knows a thing or two about economics.Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
She doesn't want to build another Hadrian's Wall though. That alone is a +1 in my book.I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.he knows a thing or two about economics.Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
I wanna live in a bathysphere..
I wanna live in a bathysphere..
Me too R1N3, Me too..
But I kinda do already when considering i never go outside unless i have to.
That could be said of everything that ever came out of his mouth :p .She doesn't want to build another Hadrian's Wall though. That alone is a +1 in my book.I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.he knows a thing or two about economics.Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
No one is going to build a wall. He only said that to get press...
She doesn't want to build another Hadrian's Wall though. That alone is a +1 in my book.I think it is a bit misleading to say he went bankrupt. Out of hundreds of ventures he filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times, a restructuring tool that is very different from Chapter 7.he knows a thing or two about economics.Indeed, he went bankrupt so many times I'm sure he'll know exactly how to by now!
I also don't find the graphic saying he hates minorities to be true. Hillary panders to minority voters, hiring celebrities to perform at her rallies and in reality, she will do nothing for them once she gets their vote.
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..
This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)
I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)
I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.
Found the guy who's qualified to speak for all of Germany!
You're saying that poster/image speaks for all of Germany?
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)
I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.
Found the guy who's qualified to speak for all of Germany!
You're saying that poster/image speaks for all of Germany?
I'm not sure how you could possibly get that from what I posted.
Sorry strawman82
"-the people of Germany" I underlined it so you know to read it.
Who are you, that you can speak for the people of Germany? That's pretty brashly impertinent..This one is making the rounds on The Facebook of some of my German friends:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/9ebdhdrf4tvx.jpg)
I'm from Germany and this wallpaper is complete garbage.
We actually call Hillary "Hitlery". It is common sense, that such a corrupt, lying, dishonest and physically sick person is not able to run a country.
You must be mental if you voted for Hillary.
Sure, Trumps' views are sometimes a bit undiplomatic, but at least they are honest.
Found the guy who's qualified to speak for all of Germany!
Can't you all just call for Bernie?
Worst part of voting besides the choices for president, No Sticker! :eek:
Worst part of voting besides the choices for president, No Sticker! :eek:
I'm still salty from donating $50 to Obama in '08--never received my Shepard Fairey hipster shirt :'(
*Insert Obama Joke Of Choice*
Worst part of voting besides the choices for president, No Sticker! :eek:
I'm still salty from donating $50 to Obama in '08--never received my Shepard Fairey hipster shirt :'(
*Insert Obama Joke Of Choice*
:( It is still very fun to Obamatize yourself.
mmmmhmmmmm
.... Tp4::: ///evil laughs.... .
What could possibly happen..
Name it..
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond meThe US's voting system favors only the winning party. Many other countries have representative seats based on total votes so that third parties with only 5% or 10% votes will still a small amount of representation. Then those parties can work up and gain popularity later. In the US the third parties with 5% of the vote gets jack squat and never get off the ground - then everybody tows the mainstream party line so that they don't "waste a vote"
Why America doesn't get that they have third party candidates is beyond meThe US's voting system favors only the winning party. Many other countries have representative seats based on total votes so that third parties with only 5% or 10% votes will still a small amount of representation. Then those parties can work up and gain popularity later. In the US the third parties with 5% of the vote gets jack squat and never get off the ground - then everybody tows the mainstream party line so that they don't "waste a vote"
Third party is seems more like a protest vote. It probably cost Hillary a few states too.
get your Trump assassination jokes in now boys and girls
MoreNo. So God help me, they spake not a word
But, like dumb statues or breathing stones,
Stared each on other and looked deadly pale;
Which when I saw, I reprehended them
And asked the mayor what meant this willful silence.
His answer was, the people were not used
To be spoke to but by the recorder.
Then he was urged to tell my tale again:
“Thus saith the duke. Thus hath the duke inferred”—
But nothing spoke in warrant from himself.
When he had done, some followers of mine own,
At the lower end of the hall, hurled up their caps,
And some ten voices cried “God save King Richard!”
And thus I took the vantage of those few.
“Thanks, gentle citizens and friends,” quoth I.
"This general applause and cheerful shout
Argues your wisdoms and your love to Richard"—
And even here brake off, and came away.
tl;dr
MoreNo. So God help me, they spake not a word
But, like dumb statues or breathing stones,
Stared each on other and looked deadly pale;
Which when I saw, I reprehended them
And asked the mayor what meant this willful silence.
His answer was, the people were not used
To be spoke to but by the recorder.
Then he was urged to tell my tale again:
“Thus saith the duke. Thus hath the duke inferred”—
But nothing spoke in warrant from himself.
When he had done, some followers of mine own,
At the lower end of the hall, hurled up their caps,
And some ten voices cried “God save King Richard!”
And thus I took the vantage of those few.
“Thanks, gentle citizens and friends,” quoth I.
"This general applause and cheerful shout
Argues your wisdoms and your love to Richard"—
And even here brake off, and came away.
tl;dr
FTFY
This is a bigger lose for obama than is for hillary..
This is a bigger lose for obama than is for hillary..
Obama ****ing crushed it. No scandles, always dapper, class all the way. It sucks that Obamacare will take healthcare away from millions of people who otherwise couldn't afford it.
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The next four years are gonna be tough
The next four years are gonna be tough
Start shorting the index people..
Can't lose....
/// totally serious...
Start shorting the index people..
Can't lose....
/// totally serious...
Yeah, too late. Futures markets are closed due to emergency crash provisions. No one will take your short sale.
Get fanpeople to bed 2016
This is a bigger lose for obama than is for hillary..
Obama ****ing crushed it. No scandles, always dapper, class all the way. It sucks that Obamacare will take healthcare away from millions of people who otherwise couldn't afford it.
It is SO NICE watching left wing and globalism being crushed everywhere around the world. Its only beginning, guys.
Oh God, Americans, now look what you've done D: .
It is SO NICE watching left wing and globalism being crushed everywhere around the world. Its only beginning, guys.Based weebShow Image(https://jii.moe/Ek69ny3xM.png)
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I would be curious to hear what anyone thinks will be better in the world 3 months or 3 years from now because of this.
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.
So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?
Neither can I.
Okay Tp, I did it. now what?
It's hard to say where we will be in three years. I'm hopeful that, if they are true to their word, several outspoken celebrities will be leaving the country.Sadly I think they were just 'joking'.
It's hard to say where we will be in three years. I'm hopeful that, if they are true to their word, several outspoken celebrities will be leaving the country.
What bothers me is all of the young people who have never had a job calling for the older folks to die already, because electing someone who was not there choice is somehow ruining their lives....
I want my kids to grow up expecting to have to earn what they want and not expect it to just be given to them.
What bothers me is all of the young people who have never had a job calling for the older folks to die already, because electing someone who was not there choice is somehow ruining their lives....This is exactly how I feel too... same things hapen even here ...
I want my kids to grow up expecting to have to earn what they want and not expect it to just be given to them.
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What bothers me is all of the young people who have never had a job calling for the older folks to die already, because electing someone who was not there choice is somehow ruining their lives....
I want my kids to grow up expecting to have to earn what they want and not expect it to just be given to them.
Hahahaha.. Spam.. As an old-fart myself.. I completely understand that perspective..
But, I don't get mad over it, because if we're to be realistic, Kids don't know any better..
Once they hit the 9 to 5 days of their lives.. They'll wake up fast..
good job dumbasses
What a ****ing nightmare.
Younger people don't want things to just be given to them ray, they want the chance that generations before then had. Tinder generations are ****ed. There are no manufacturing jobs for them and the blue-collar work force is shrinking as jobs continue to be shipped overseas. Unskilled jobs and jobs that don't require a degree pay enough for high school students to have spending money and that's about it. Most end up feeling like their only option is to go to university since almost every job requires a college degree now. That degree costs them, on average $30k and, when they get it, they're lucky to get a job that pays $25-30k a year before taxes. Company loyalty doesn't exist anymore and management positions are overloaded with a work force that was supposed to retire years ago. Their only chance to make more money is to change jobs every 2-3 years. All the while, they scrap together barely enough to make it by and wonder if they'll ever be able to retire since they can't afford to start retirement planning. They look at the housing market and many find that they'll probably be renting their whole life because houses are way overpriced, bought by out of country investors and left vacant or to rent, or bought out of speculation to flip.
If you take a sincere look at younger generations, you'd realize how ****ing bleak things look. It's no wonder the calling for things to be different.
I'm not saying that there aren't entitled *******s in that group, but that there's a high degree of fatalism and wanting to at least have a chance when all they see is a hopeless future.
You always speak to extremes tp. I could just as easily state that we exist in a state of tacit slavery to corporate oligarchs kept in check with beer and circus and the misguided belief in the American dream.
I could just as easily state that we exist in a state of tacit slavery to corporate oligarchs kept in check with beer and circus and the misguided belief in the American dream.
I could just as easily state that we exist in a state of tacit slavery to corporate oligarchs kept in check with beer and circus and the misguided belief in the American dream.
I would agree with this.
The tragedy is that Trump is a circus performer whose interests align with the parasites who have bled the US dry for the past 35+ years, and his core of support is precisely that group of people who have been devastated by the process. How can they not recognize this obvious fact?
That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.
It's a good start, for sure.
That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.
He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.
But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.What.
What.
It's a good start, for sure.
That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.
He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.
But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
But definitely president material, right?It's a good start, for sure.
That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.
He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.
But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
This is the story of more than half of the well-offs on wall street.. Not new and quite the norm.
But definitely president material, right?It's a good start, for sure.
That's a tough record to beat, but I believe Trump is well up to the job.
He has been sued 3,500 times and is under multiple federal and state investigations for violations of tax, trade, and election laws.
But being in debt up to his eyeballs to the Russian mafia is the really scary one.
This is the story of more than half of the well-offs on wall street.. Not new and quite the norm.
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.
So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?
Neither can I.
close lol.
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.
So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?
Neither can I.
close lol.
hahahaha..
Also, Bernie could've never beaten trump..
Bernie would've won the popular vote, But he FAILED the RICH MAN's VOTE..
Before you even get a shot at being voted on by --the little people-- You need to play ball with the Rich ..
THAT is why Bernie never had a chance, and could've NEVER been president..
Bernie would have beat Trump. And Trump did not get 60M votes, although he did come close.
So, basically, you can't think of even one single thing that will be better in the world because of this?
Neither can I.
close lol.
hahahaha..
Also, Bernie could've never beaten trump..
Bernie would've won the popular vote, But he FAILED the RICH MAN's VOTE..
Before you even get a shot at being voted on by --the little people-- You need to play ball with the Rich ..
THAT is why Bernie never had a chance, and could've NEVER been president..
:/ but it was the white working class rural population that won Trump the election. They greatly outnumber the amount of rich voters... Also the fact that both Bernie and Trump are anti-establishment (although in polarizing ways) made a lot of Bernie supporters switch to Trump rather than default to Clinton.
Also, Bernie won Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Kansas, Nebraska... if you were watching the election there's a couple states in there that were integral to Trump winning :P
Your comments are always hyperbolizing the situation with little to no context.
I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won. But it's definitely not a "he would NEVER win" thought exercise.
I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won.
And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?
I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won.
Clinton was the better candidate against any of the *other* Republicans, but Trump's strengths played directly to her weaknesses.
Bernie was straight-talking, well-liked by everyone, and squeaky-clean. He was the ideal one to pit against Trump.
I'm not saying Bernie would have absolutely won.
Clinton was the better candidate against any of the *other* Republicans, but Trump's strengths played directly to her weaknesses.
Bernie was straight-talking, well-liked by everyone, and squeaky-clean. He was the ideal one to pit against Trump.
I agree completely.
I just prefer not to speak in absolutes as if I know exactly what will happen in any given hypothetical situation. Especially not being as informed as I could be regarding the US political process and people.
Also, prior to last night, it was a mostly "he would NEVER win" prediction on Trump's behalf. This truly has been a historic election.
Rich men don't need a vote.. They , through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery) purchase the right of way..
They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..
No sure things, but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.
Rich men don't need a vote.. They , through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery) purchase the right of way..
They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..
No sure things, but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.
I'm sorry but what you are saying is just not accurate. Trump paid 63% less per electoral vote than Clinton... and it's the first time in a long time that the presidential candidate who spent the most money did not win. Campaign Support (AKA bribery) as per your definition should be used in an argument that Clinton should have won, if anything. Not the other way around.Show Image(https://i.redd.it/1an5yis0blwx.jpg)
Rich men don't need a vote.. They , through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery) purchase the right of way..
They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..
No sure things, but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.
I'm sorry but what you are saying is just not accurate. Trump paid 63% less per electoral vote than Clinton... and it's the first time in a long time that the presidential candidate who spent the most money did not win. Campaign Support (AKA bribery) as per your definition should be used in an argument that Clinton should have won, if anything. Not the other way around.Show Image(https://i.redd.it/1an5yis0blwx.jpg)
hahaha..
If you're assuming the capitalists only bribed ONE person, the candidate..
But that was not what I stated.
My point had been , that the wealthy Compels the result they desire through Appropriations towards the SYSTEM as a whole..
Rich men don't need a vote.. They , through a much more effective action called Campaign support (aka Bribery) purchase the right of way..
They don't have to bribe bernie, or hillary, or trump, in fact it's probably hard to do so.. but they're allowed to buy enough of the people AROUND the snake's head to capture the desired effect, compelling the final outcome..
No sure things, but their bets are much stronger than the popular vote.
I'm sorry but what you are saying is just not accurate. Trump paid 63% less per electoral vote than Clinton... and it's the first time in a long time that the presidential candidate who spent the most money did not win. Campaign Support (AKA bribery) as per your definition should be used in an argument that Clinton should have won, if anything. Not the other way around.Show Image(https://i.redd.it/1an5yis0blwx.jpg)
hahaha..
If you're assuming the capitalists only bribed ONE person, the candidate..
But that was not what I stated.
My point had been , that the wealthy Compels the result they desire through Appropriations towards the SYSTEM as a whole..
I think I am starting to see where you're coming from, but boy is it hard to tease a clear and comprehensible comment out of you :P
It would be much stronger if you continued to supplement your arguments with facts following your number of ellipses.......
"Appropriations towards the system as a whole" is quite a broad statement - if you want to have an effect on changing my perspective in an argument it would be greatly beneficial if you followed up with some concrete examples of what you are suggesting!
Hahahahha..
I can not change your perspective if you are not already receptive to that change..
That is the identical dilemma facing all advertisement, be it political or consumer..
Money isn't the thing you eat, Money is the voice of humanity.. its greater accumulations represent an exchange and focusing of TRUST..
You and I give our trust to the businessman, buying what they sell, THEY in turn use that to buy whatever makes it easier for them to Deliver what We may continuously want to buy..
This chain is far more representative of the world, then the act of voting itself.. A vote means so little. The People having a vote in the first place was merely a compromise to make the sheep feel at ease about their leaders..
The numb shock is finally giving way to nervous apprehension and stomach queasiness.
The numb shock is finally giving way to nervous apprehension and stomach queasiness.
The numb shock is finally giving way to nervous apprehension and stomach queasiness.
Did you watch Trump's victory speech?
There's that kid to his left, his whole facial expression speaks, oh god, i just wanna be home playing xbox.. why am i even here..
Berkeley Unified School District spokesman Charles Burress said about 1,500 Berkeley High School students participated in their protest that began around 8:20 a.m., just as classes were getting underway at the school at 1980 Allston Way.
OK. I read the first article and 3-4 articles it refers to and now I feel like a night-car driver at the end of a shift. It was painful. Since "Trump has connections to Russia" repeated in each paragraph wasn't useful to me, I searched for facts, and what I found:And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?
Of course not. But:
http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/ (http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/)
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/inside-the-political-and-financial-collusion-between-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin/25393/ (http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/inside-the-political-and-financial-collusion-between-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin/25393/)
Don't think I have one. Hard to imagine a US president being a person who often fails to make a sentence that makes sense. But at least he is not a feverish warmonger that is Clinton and his relaxed approach to Russia gives me hope that our nations will end this Cold War style nonsense and return to sane relations.And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?
Iri, what's your perspective in the Trump victory?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/high-school-students-protest-trump-win/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=30988700 (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/high-school-students-protest-trump-win/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=30988700)QuoteBerkeley Unified School District spokesman Charles Burress said about 1,500 Berkeley High School students participated in their protest that began around 8:20 a.m., just as classes were getting underway at the school at 1980 Allston Way.
Don't think I have one. Hard to imagine a US president being a person who often fails to make a sentence that makes sense. But at least he is not a feverish warmonger that is Clinton and his relaxed approach to Russia gives me hope that our nations will end this Cold War style nonsense and return to sane relations.And all Russian investors are automatically mafia?
Iri, what's your perspective in the Trump victory?
I watched the Putin's press conference and the main thing I got out of it was that he sure wanted those sanctions lifted.
Don't think I have one. Hard to imagine a US president being a person who often fails to make a sentence that makes sense. But at least he is not a feverish warmonger that is Clinton and his relaxed approach to Russia gives me hope that our nations will end this Cold War style nonsense and return to sane relations.
Don't think I have one. Hard to imagine a US president being a person who often fails to make a sentence that makes sense. But at least he is not a feverish warmonger that is Clinton and his relaxed approach to Russia gives me hope that our nations will end this Cold War style nonsense and return to sane relations.
I have one and I am not a Russian backer nor a supporter in any way.
But I've seen where this was heading under the Democratic party, the demonisation of Russia and their people which was always promoted through all the mainstream media. The same procedure they had done on Iraq against Saddam and his people as well as against Gaddafi and we all know what happened next. Considering the US and it's Allies went into war against Iraq due to having so-called "Weapons of Mass Destruction", remember that infamous line in all the media.
Although this time instead of highlighting basic facts that Russia actually has numerous world ending weapons at their disposal, the current regime under Obama ignored that vital fact, trying to take over Russia isn't going to be like Iraq or Libya. So I was more scared of the demented Obama Camp thinking they possibly win a nuclear war against Russia, no kidding they actually tried to create a situation in either Syria or Crimea to start this monumental catastrophe.
So in hindsite when all the Clinton supporters realised how close they were to losing everything, Trump is a far lesser evil than what has currently sat in the Whitehouse for more than 8 years. You will get future history written about this so pay attention to the facts that shall be listed, you will find how close you all were to the end.
The pressure that Washington puts on the world is Always financial..
Even the little wars we start.. it is either designed to bankrupt our opponents directly, or the region which cause local financial political cascade..
Close to nuclear war... no way... humans are just not THAT stupid... that stuff gets everywhere and doesn't cleanup for 100 years. and the high yield probably 200-300 years..
And although I have no love for Russia whatsoever, and Putin in particular, it seems that the Crimea belongs to Russia at least as much as it belongs to Ukraine.
Obama has done a reasonable job of cleaning up the impossible and intractable mess that Bush Jr left him.
What could possibly happen..
Name it..
Trump is exactly the stereotype the rest of the world has about Americans.
This is like electing Mammy the head of the NAACP, it's just going to make us all look like orange boorish loud **** grabbing racist morons.
I'm an SJW, so watching all my friends break down has been a bit of an experience.
Personally, if the US made it through Reagan, we can make it through Trump. I'm not especially worried, but I'm not really pleased either. That's politics, I guess.
I'm an SJW, so watching all my friends break down has been a bit of an experience.
Personally, if the US made it through Reagan, we can make it through Trump. I'm not especially worried, but I'm not really pleased either. That's politics, I guess.
I don't really feel like the Trump / Reagan comparison is fair
This is like Reagan with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and low intelligence
If you were a bernie supporter in the primaries but voted trump, I think you are a moron.
Trump stands against literally 99% of the things Sanders stood for, and yet someone votes for him purely on the fact of being anti establishment? That's complete nonsense.
You can't call your self a progressive if you vote for a man like Donald Trump, he is the antithesis of a progressive and a real danger to important supreme court rulings with his possible picks, that could be more than just one pick.
Kiss most of the groundwork of the ACA goodbye, that **** is gone.
I'm sure some did, maybe not a huge percentage, but some did. :rolleyes:If you were a bernie supporter in the primaries but voted trump, I think you are a moron.
Trump stands against literally 99% of the things Sanders stood for, and yet someone votes for him purely on the fact of being anti establishment? That's complete nonsense.
You can't call your self a progressive if you vote for a man like Donald Trump, he is the antithesis of a progressive and a real danger to important supreme court rulings with his possible picks, that could be more than just one pick.
Kiss most of the groundwork of the ACA goodbye, that **** is gone.
I don't think anyone did that air tree.. hahahahahaha
Everyone please remember that we are all entitled to a safe space and that words can hurt........... Tp looking at you.
The Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.
You do realise trump has a lower approval rating? And she won the popular vote.
So the people favoured her overall as the president, but the electoral college is what we have and we have to accept that.
To me ~200 thousand out of ~120 million is within the margin of error considering you always hear about dead people voting and mailed ballots showing up late so who really knows.You do realise trump has a lower approval rating? And she won the popular vote.
So the people favoured her overall as the president, but the electoral college is what we have and we have to accept that.
Have they finished counting? Some news sites are saying she won popular vote, some of the trackers appear to still be going as if they were still counting certain areas?
I like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .A **** tries to avoid being grabbed by Trump:
You always hear about dead people voting, but that doesn't mean it's actually true.To me ~200 thousand out of ~120 million is within the margin of error considering you always hear about dead people voting and mailed ballots showing up late so who really knows.You do realise trump has a lower approval rating? And she won the popular vote.
So the people favoured her overall as the president, but the electoral college is what we have and we have to accept that.
Have they finished counting? Some news sites are saying she won popular vote, some of the trackers appear to still be going as if they were still counting certain areas?
Congress will certify the election results in January before the inauguration.
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I like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .
You're making my point very well :p . Remind me, how exactly is any of this an advantage? :pI like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .
Trump is doing EVERYTHING a successful man is suppose to be doing..
He's Promiscuous, (fff b*tches)
He's Ruthless, (heartless), (psychopathic), (make money)
ANd here, He came out ontop in the end..
--- The rest of us beta male population are just jelly--
All of these attributes are historically those found among the most powerful leaders (dictators)..
You're making my point very well :p . Remind me, how exactly is any of this an advantage? :pI like how the same country that put Bill Clinton out of office because of Blowjobgate now elected a man who habitually performs sexual assault :/ .
Trump is doing EVERYTHING a successful man is suppose to be doing..
He's Promiscuous, (fff b*tches)
He's Ruthless, (heartless), (psychopathic), (make money)
ANd here, He came out ontop in the end..
--- The rest of us beta male population are just jelly--
All of these attributes are historically those found among the most powerful leaders (dictators)..
anyone watching the president and president-elect after meeting speech? The amount of shutters flopping down, holy ****.
anyone watching the president and president-elect after meeting speech? The amount of shutters flopping down, holy ****.
//Linkzzz bro..
was just on tv
--- The rest of us beta male population are just jelly--
The Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.
I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.
But he's the founder of Al-Qaeda and a foreign-born communist Muslim, right? :p xDThe Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.
I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.
says the uneducated non-Americans.
I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.
Businesses and billionaires milk way more off the system than those people you talk about do. All cutting off welfare subsidies to the poorest does is **** over future generations more. If you're going to rail against welfare, then rail against the system of economic oppression that makes it necessary. Bash the lack of decent paying work. Bash the cost of healthcare. Rail against the inequalities in the system that makes systemic generational poverty happen. Present solutions that pull people out of poverty instead of cutting taxes to the rich and trusting that trickle down economics, the free market, and non-profits will fix everything. They didn't with Reagan and they haven't in the last 50 years.
When did people stop having ****ing compassion in this world and when did it become about only helping the wealthy.
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(Attachment Link)People love that, though. They love being lied to, and the more obvious and bad the lie, the more they like it. No-one wants a good guy :p .
Chomsky, 2010.
Maybe a bit dramatic?
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Chomsky, 2010.
Maybe a bit dramatic?
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Chomsky, 2010.
Maybe a bit dramatic?
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http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/
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http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/ (http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/)
It's a fake quote but people will believe anything about him at this point.
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http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/ (http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/)
It's a fake quote but people will believe anything about him at this point.
Your (US) media was made fools of because they actively promoted Clinton everywhere even around the Globe but when the result came through it basically showed that your media is totally inept, stupid and above all else plain WRONG.
That is why Trump beat all those pathetic 'pundits' writing his obituary saying he will never win but the people of America stopped believing in their rubbish propaganda a long time ago. In the end the person on the street wanted to give Washington the almighty, giant BIRD signal to them and they did it.
So before all the pathetic leftie garbage starts spinning the truth to suit their losses just know who won in the end, it wasn't that Clinton Swampie but someone else who will take the fight to all those bottom-feeders up in the hill, that alone is worth watching. For years we had the current system which is broke, literally and figuratively and it's always wise to throw in a something to make those comfortable barge rats pay attention, to something that has occurred and they can not stop it from happening.
It's still nice to see all the pathetic media trying their best to justify their ignorance and blindness to what has happened but take note, that if you as an American rely on these arse-holes to tell you the truth then you will be waiting at least a hundred years for that to occur. In the end History reveals everything - despite the cover-ups, lies and deceit displayed to the people of the United States on a daily basis by these untrustworthy parasites.
don't get me started on this safespace ****. bunch of weak idiots.
You are welcome anytime, so long as you leave the microagression at the door.... unless its against the Right... or white.... or men......
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You are welcome anytime, so long as you leave the microagression at the door.... unless its against the Right... or white.... or men......
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0)
Maybe that is why I can clearly see what is happening inside your great nation
It's still nice to see all the pathetic media trying their best to justify their ignorance and blindness to what has happened but take note, that if you as an American rely on these arse-holes to tell you the truth then you will be waiting at least a hundred years for that to occur. In the end History reveals everything - despite the cover-ups, lies and deceit displayed to the people of the United States on a daily basis by these untrustworthy parasites.
His use of the term "honest" is terrifying when in combination with a compulsive liar who literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and who is so detached from reality that he actually believes that he *is* honest.
His use of the term "honest" is terrifying when in combination with a compulsive liar who literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and who is so detached from reality that he actually believes that he *is* honest.
It’s a different kind of “honest”. Trump has no moral principles, no empathy, no long-term memory (except for petty revenge), and no patience for facts or reason. So he “honestly” says whatever happens to be in his head at the time. Which is often precisely the opposite of whatever was in his head a few hours before, and seldom bears even passing resemblance to reality.
But it’s different than other Republicans, who believe one set of things in private, but pretend to believe something else publicly as a means to an end.
Trump is incapable of that type of pretension. He’ll happily lie through his teeth, but it’s the obvious fabulism of a naughty 5-year-old, not the practiced conspiracy of a shrewd politician.
Every person who has ever worked with Trump says pretty much the same thing about him. Trump is not smart enough for elaborate plots or deeper motives. The most powerful person in Trump’s organization is whoever talks with him last, right before he makes a decision, because he tends to agree with whoever he last met with.
So far everything you have said sounds like your own personal speculations.
Listen mates, you're all better off NOT falling for the bait of being pit against each other, but instead figuring a path towards a better humanity and a government that protects the people, rather than attacks them, both here and aboard. Trump won't do that for, Clinton won't do that for you, the parties won't do that for you, and the government won't do that for you.
Listen to each other, understand, turn off your damn television, read a variety of news sources and take them all with a grain of salt, actually try to understand something being rambling and parroting back whatever you're told, and think of solutions that DON'T treat a person as less than human.
This is bickering is useless and doesn't get us anywhere.
So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.
So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.
Where was that sentiment when Obama was in office though? The entire Obama tenure was marked by obstructionism and a flat out refusal to try and meet in any middle ground. When people proposed working together to make it work, they were ostracized and called RINOs or, if they were Dems, they were laughed at and given the bird by the majority. Obama continuously tried to offer compromises, including moderate Supreme Court nominees, and he was constantly fought against because he was a Democrat. There's a reason so many liberals are pissed off by this, it's because it shows that throwing a temper tantrum and behaving badly for 8 years and in the election season gets rewarded.
I used to love the likes of McCain and other so called moderate Republicans because there used to be a willingness to reach across the aisle and work together. Since McCain ran for office and the extremist Tea Party and birthers became the voice of the party, that has all gone away.
Trump got 47.% of 55.6% of the US citizens eligible to vote. That means that he was elected by 26% of the eligible voters.
The hell of it is, *everybody* that wanted to vote for Trump, did!
Therefore, the way I see it, 74% of the American population does not want him. The fact that 99 million Americans were too stupid or apathetic to walk to their nearby polling place is an indictment of them - that will cause all of us extraordinary pain.
And here I am just waiting for the national legalization of recreational marijuana.arent we all
I've wanted to post this on every board that I'm on where this conversation has popped up, but have been too disenchanted by the noise there that I haven't Thanks for being better than I.
The thing is, almost half the people voted for Trump. A bit over half voted for Hillary. The last time that there was even a margin of success of over 20% was in 72. And yet, in every election, people bemoan that there are people like that, that would vote for the candidate that wasn't theirs. They are here, they will always be here, and they are the reason the system works as well as it does. So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.
Trump got 47.% of 55.6% of the US citizens eligible to vote. That means that he was elected by 26% of the eligible voters.
The hell of it is, *everybody* that wanted to vote for Trump, did!
Therefore, the way I see it, 74% of the American population does not want him. The fact that 99 million Americans were too stupid or apathetic to walk to their nearby polling place is an indictment of them - that will cause all of us extraordinary pain.
So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.
Where was that sentiment when Obama was in office though? The entire Obama tenure was marked by obstructionism and a flat out refusal to try and meet in any middle ground. When people proposed working together to make it work, they were ostracized and called RINOs or, if they were Dems, they were laughed at and given the bird by the majority. Obama continuously tried to offer compromises, including moderate Supreme Court nominees, and he was constantly fought against because he was a Democrat. There's a reason so many liberals are pissed off by this, it's because it shows that throwing a temper tantrum and behaving badly for 8 years and in the election season gets rewarded.
I used to love the likes of McCain and other so called moderate Republicans because there used to be a willingness to reach across the aisle and work together. Since McCain ran for office and the extremist Tea Party and birthers became the voice of the party, that has all gone away.
Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.
Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.
Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.
I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.
There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.
Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Earlier in my career, when I worked an average of 55+ hours a week to make ends meet, I admit I didn't spend enough time going over the issues. Somehow, just keeping the family fed took a higher priority. I almost always voted, but the reasons for my choices were so flimsy that I think I was doing the country a disservice. That's why I shudder when I see celebrities like Miley Cyrus going to college dorm rooms to encourage student (who probably are nursing a hangover from the night before) to get out and vote. Don't get me wrong, many students are very well informed, but they probably have already resolved to vote anyway. Cyrusian tactics usually just draw out the zombies that don't have a clue as to what their doing when they enter the voting booth.
I agree it's our duty to vote, but if we can't be informed voters, it's probably our best alternate duty to not vote. Truth is, I'd rather have someone like Fohat, whose vote has probably canceled out every one I've made in the last 20 years, vote instead of an ill informed voter who accidentally presses the same buttons as I do.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?
Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.
Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.
I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.
There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.
Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?
Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.
Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.
I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.
There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.
Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
No, it's an option where I'm from that just allows you to vote for no party at all. It means you're engaged with the elections, and appreciate your right to vote, but don't like any of the available options.Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?
Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.
Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.
I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.
There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.
Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?
No, it's an option where I'm from that just allows you to vote for no party at all. It means you're engaged with the elections, and appreciate your right to vote, but don't like any of the available options.Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?
Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.
Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.
I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.
There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.
Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?
It's a much better way of doing a "protect vote" than just staying at home watching TV I think.
that just allows you to vote for no party at all.
No, it's an option where I'm from that just allows you to vote for no party at all. It means you're engaged with the elections, and appreciate your right to vote, but don't like any of the available options.Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?
Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.
Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.
I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.
There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.
Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?
It's a much better way of doing a "protect vote" than just staying at home watching TV I think.
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
I don't know what more I could do to make it more clear that it was a joke, besides directly saying it is a joke. :ptp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
I don't know what more I could do to make it more clear that it was a joke, besides directly saying it is a joke. :ptp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
I can't tell when tp4 is joking or not, so it's alright. :))I don't know what more I could do to make it more clear that it was a joke, besides directly saying it is a joke. :ptp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
I'm pretty sure tp started this thread as a joke. But somewhere amongst the chaos jokes became facts that erupted all over America into protests. So it's difficult for me to see who is actually joking in this thread and who is actually being srs. Ok, my bad :-[
But somewhere amongst the chaos jokes became facts that erupted all over America
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
tp spoke and the people listened. Who knew he had such a far-reaching influence.I think that the pundits are really overlooking the weight of tp4's endorsement this year..
Seriously. I doubt this thread had enough weight to sway a US presidential election
Science and logic says otherwise. I seriously doubt that it didn't sway things in Trump's favor. You just have to open your eyes.
I agree it's our duty to vote, but if we can't be informed voters, it's probably our best alternate duty to not vote. Truth is, I'd rather have someone like Fohat, whose vote has probably canceled out every one I've made in the last 20 years, vote instead of an ill informed voter who accidentally presses the same buttons as I do.
That's illogical.. How and why something happens is disconnected from your logical DESIRED outcome..
My greater, "logical desired outcome" is for democracy to work.
Being only minimally utilitarian in my philosophy of right and wrong, I don't generally agree with the Machiavellian concept that the ends justify the means. I think we should trust the system and try to work within it, accept it, and fight it only as a last resort. That includes voter fraud, coercion as well as suppression, and equally important—accepting the results.
Elrick, do you think media is equally bad around the world or just in the US? Also, how do you know that the reports that are delivered to you in Craptown are the accurate accounts? I am not challenging your information but instead trying to understand the assurance that you have in your sources.
My greater, "logical desired outcome" is for democracy to work.
Being only minimally utilitarian in my philosophy of right and wrong, I don't generally agree with the Machiavellian concept that the ends justify the means. I think we should trust the system and try to work within it, accept it, and fight it only as a last resort. That includes voter fraud, coercion as well as suppression, and equally important—accepting the results.
Totally agree.
It's extremely unsettling that when the PEOPLE voted for someone the Establishment dispises suddenly Democracy has Failed. This is where you really need it despite what the Mass Media is saying. Currently a lot of HATE is being distributed via the media today to not trust your democratic system and in fact instill some kind of sick overthrow like that will instill confidence and stability within your nation.
So funny that back when Obama got elected the system worked Perfectly but now when the mainstream parties and media working hand in hand can not stomach the people making their choice, it's now unbearable and wrong. You can't pick and choose what you want, especially by the current corrupt swampies on the hill who want to desperately maintain the Status Quo of funding wars and oppression.
This is a unique time where the majority didn't believe the lies distributed daily by the mass media so I applaud their strength in choosing the right person here. Trump isn't another swampie gearing up for WW3 but he wants to cut back expenditure which Obama has ramped up consistently, during his term in office.
Maybe for the first time in 8 years we actually might have a more peaceful world as all the terrorist regimes/groups get no more weapons and money to maintain their misery across the globe.
the PEOPLE voted for someone
The Founding Fathers depended on an informed and engaged electorate and a free press to disseminate reliable information.
Read the publications surrounding the establishment and ratification of the Constitution, in particular "The Federalist Papers" and it is clear what the intent and assumptions were for the health and maintenance of the system.
Today those components have broken down to the point that we have a controlled partisan press monopoly promoting an incompetent and unqualified bozo about to be installed based on the vote of 26% of the qualified population of the country.
It's stupid to think we really get a say in who becomes president. If America had any say at all neither Hillary nor Trump would have been in the running, yet we had no choice but to choose one of two unlikable people who paid to win. The entire idea of democracy in America is a goddamn sham.
If America had any say at all neither Hillary nor Trump would have been in the running,
If America had any say at all neither Hillary nor Trump would have been in the running,
It all comes back to people's apathy at not voting. I have made it a point to vote in EVERY election throughout my adult life, even down to off-year runoff elections for dog-catcher (sarcasm there).
The primary system is particularly susceptible to that problem (even though we had a couple of important county ballot measures piggy-backing on last spring) and provides us with all these bad choices.
Trump was nominated on the vote of under 6% of the eligible voters in the country, and Clinton by less than 8%.
long years of slaughtering American Manufacturing because those greedy tossers in Wall Street
long years of slaughtering American Manufacturing because those greedy tossers in Wall Street
Manufacturing started leaving the US in earnest in the 1970s, and accelerated dramatically under Reagan.
As our manufacturing base, coming out of WW2 at an all-time strength, was wearing down, the next-generation capabilities of our former foes, Germany and Japan, financed by the Marshall Plan, was peaking. Today, the Third World may not be so advanced mechanically, but the near-infinite supply of ultra-cheap labor makes that now the cheapest place to manufacture.
I get sick of people falsely attributing NAFTA to Bill Clinton. Look it up.
It was Bush Sr's pet project for much of his term, and he signed before leaving office.
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate
I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.
I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.
This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.both candidates suck but i prefer trump over hillary. thats how i view it.
This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.both candidates suck but i prefer trump over hillary. thats how i view it.
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate
I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.
I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate
I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.
I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.
No she would not have been a good president.
For one, she's on psychoactive medication just to stay upright.
The stress has already gotten to her and deteriorated her physical condition..
And the type of meds she's on, well, they greatly alter neural firings.
Though logic may not be compromised, there's no telling what type of polarization may occur..
This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.both candidates suck but i prefer trump over hillary. thats how i view it.
If Clinton wasn't surrounded by so much scandal, artificial or genuine, she would be great candidate
I mean, she is among the most qualified people to run for office, and shes beat by a man who has never held office of any kind in his whole life, it's a shame. I would have voted for her enthusiastically.
I can vote in the 2018 mid terms, at least.
No she would not have been a good president.
For one, she's on psychoactive medication just to stay upright.
The stress has already gotten to her and deteriorated her physical condition..
And the type of meds she's on, well, they greatly alter neural firings.
Though logic may not be compromised, there's no telling what type of polarization may occur..
Sometimes you have to read between the lines.
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This thread is like Alex Jones' wet dream.both candidates suck but i prefer trump over hillary. thats how i view it.
From a relatively uninformed outside perspective you were given the choice of voting for two unacceptable 'famous' candidates and two with no advertising budget.
I liken this choice to having to chose between being shot in the right leg, left leg, or shot at by one of two people who've been blindfolded and spun around so will probably do less damage. A huge majority of those who voted wanted to get shot...
Nice to know that Trump is like all other politicians and completely bull****s during his campaign before not actually doing anything he said he would.
Nice to know that Trump is like all other politicians and completely bull****s during his campaign before not actually doing anything he said he would.
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.
I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.
I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy
For the better? How do you figure that?
obama care is **** for us
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.
I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy
For the better? How do you figure that?
obama care is **** for us
You do realize that they don't really have a plan to replace it, don't you? Just a half-assed document by Ryan that doesn't cover many of the points. So what you'll end up with is no insurance again?
now he is pandering to more of a middle ground to attempt to rope in more moderate or even left-leaning individuals.
my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.
It's ironic that my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.
What does that even mean?Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.
I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy
For the better? How do you figure that?
obama care is **** for us
You do realize that they don't really have a plan to replace it, don't you? Just a half-assed document by Ryan that doesn't cover many of the points. So what you'll end up with is no insurance again?
you're not stereotyping me correctly.
Obama, of course!
now he is pandering to more of a middle ground to attempt to rope in more moderate or even left-leaning individuals.
In what Bizarro World is this happening?
What I have heard and seen are the most rabid fringe lunatics of the "Let's blow it all up" wing describing how they intend to unravel the social fabric.
my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.
I will be curious to hear who they blame when they lose it all.
My mom switched careers and had about a 5 month gap in insurance until the school year started. Put my sister on one of the ACA plans that it claimed all her specialists would accept. Turns out they didn't because as they told us, they weren't being reimbursed and the offices decided it wasn't worth it. Ended up paying almost everything except the prescriptions out of pocket.Any plan they put in place is going to have problems and people that slip through the cracks. My brother in law had a similar experience, but worked with them for months and got it straightened out.
Now back to insurance through work and all is well, so IDK who did it or whats up, but I hope all this **** gets ironed out because it was a royal cluster****.
multiquote.
multiquote.
Instead of answering the question? Ok. And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.
even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery. Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
why hasn't this thread died yet??? -_-
he's not their president
Why is it then, that when I just re-upped my insurance, I got better coverage than last year for less money?multiquote.
Instead of answering the question? Ok. And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.
even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery. Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then, that when I just re-upped my insurance, I got better coverage than last year for less money?
our family insurance is $4000 a month.
Thats part of the problem, many companies were taking hundreds of millions in losses and as a result they are no longer selling plans in certain markets and raising rates in others. This leaves people with less options and insurance companies with less competition. The whole Obamacare initiative has been a yuge situation of YMMV.
Why is it then, that when I just re-upped my insurance, I got better coverage than last year for less money?multiquote.
Instead of answering the question? Ok. And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.
even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery. Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist, and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally. Both were/are corrupt and less than ideal choices. I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.
And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.
Why is it then, that when I just re-upped my insurance, I got better coverage than last year for less money?multiquote.
Instead of answering the question? Ok. And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.
even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery. Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist, and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally. Both were/are corrupt and less than ideal choices. I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.
And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.
Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.
why hasn't this thread died yet??? -_-
he's not their president
Why is it then, that when I just re-upped my insurance, I got better coverage than last year for less money?multiquote.
Instead of answering the question? Ok. And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.
even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery. Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist, and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally. Both were/are corrupt and less than ideal choices. I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.
And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.
Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.
What specifically seems obnoxious? Cause, I'd go the other way with that.
Triggered? In what way? Like I said, there are a few things that Trump can do that I view as a setback, but all in all, I'm not gloom and doom at him being in office. The country has survived worse, and either way it was going to be a ****show IMO.Why is it then, that when I just re-upped my insurance, I got better coverage than last year for less money?multiquote.
Instead of answering the question? Ok. And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.
even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery. Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist, and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally. Both were/are corrupt and less than ideal choices. I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.
And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.
Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.
What specifically seems obnoxious? Cause, I'd go the other way with that.
Of course you would your the triggered one
Triggered? In what way? Like I said, there are a few things that Trump can do that I view as a setback, but all in all, I'm not gloom and doom at him being in office. The country has survived worse, and either way it was going to be a ****show IMO.Why is it then, that when I just re-upped my insurance, I got better coverage than last year for less money?multiquote.
Instead of answering the question? Ok. And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.
even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery. Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist, and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally. Both were/are corrupt and less than ideal choices. I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.
And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.
Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.
What specifically seems obnoxious? Cause, I'd go the other way with that.
Of course you would your the triggered one
That's exactly what I was trying to say- he thinks I'm arguing the other side, but couldn't be further from the truth.
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean. I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'. You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am. He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'. I just call 'em like I see 'em. But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say. But too much energy spent on this. Onward! :thumb:
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean. I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'. You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am. He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'. I just call 'em like I see 'em. But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say. But too much energy spent on this. Onward! :thumb:
wait you were my secret santa? Lol. Sweet board indeed. political discussions are a bit dangerous especially online. I don't think of you as mean, but I don't believe you're central. Maybe not a Hillary lover or a Trump lover, but you only argue against right ideas here, so I assume you are leaning left.
Political arguments are dangerous in the sense that they reveal deeply held beliefs reflected in who or what we support politically. They have more to do with challenging who people are, what they believe, and how they think, than actual politics.
Now, if political arguments were conducted as competing arguments supported by a factual analysis, research, and civil debate, they would not result in so many butthurt, angry individuals.
But our education system and culture has failed to foster such type of debate, and the anti-intellectual sentiment is strong.
By the way, the idea of right vs. left is simply designed to divide people that have mostly the same interests to gain their vote while the people we elect use our vote for their own purposes and gains. It's a false duality designed to reduce the complexity of political arguments to appeal to our natural desire for false dualities. When you start questioning the assumption that half of the voters are your opponent, you start to see the BS political system for what it is.
Happy Thanksgiving, fellow proles!
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean. I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'. You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am. He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'. I just call 'em like I see 'em. But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say. But too much energy spent on this. Onward! :thumb:
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.
I'd like to think that you can have a set mindset, and still be able to have a civil discussion. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't think so.
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.
I'd like to think that you can have a set mindset, and still be able to have a civil discussion. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't think so.
..but it doesn't always work out that way.
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.
where you can have discussions about religion, politics, etc., and have people mature enough to agree to disagree when the time comes with no acrimony, and only respect
And I have learned and gleaned so much from those conversations, and treasure the people on all sides of the issues.
And I have learned and gleaned so much from those conversations, and treasure the people on all sides of the issues.
As a general observation, I would agree with you.
However, with regard to the future Trump presidency and its cabal of perpetrators, I have never heard any hint of substantive "dialogue" that raised my knowledge, awareness, or understanding of the world, nor have I detected any intent on their part to do so.
They love to pontificate on what they plan to do, but no explanations are ever forthcoming as to the "why" or how this will improve the condition of the country and the world.
The exchange of ideas occurs in the discussions and explanations, and these have been painfully conspicuous in their absence.
watch fox news for a week. I double dare you
watch fox news for a week. I double dare you
People still watch television?
watch fox news for a week. I double dare you
I have been subjected to that TV station at my father-in-law's house for the past few days.
It is the most mindless and inane pig**** that I have ever heard, even worse than it was in years past when I have heard it before.
Joseph Geobbels would be profoundly gratified.
well there isn't much I can stand on CNN...
So about this recount......
I have been subjected to that TV station at my father-in-law's house for the past few days.
It is the most mindless and inane pig**** that I have ever heard, even worse than it was in years past when I have heard it before.
I remember reading that you were the oldest member of this forum
But yes, my father-in-law is an 83-year-old drug addict who has been suffering from dementia for years - seems like a typical Fox TV enthusiast to me.
http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/ (http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/)
There are so many things that need attention: RussiaLeave us alone.
But yes, my father-in-law is an 83-year-old drug addict who has been suffering from dementia for years - seems like a typical Fox TV enthusiast to me.
http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/ (http://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-biggest-problem-isnt-the-ailes-ouster-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/)
Were you joking about the drug addict part? I don't think someone who regularly shoots up could still be alive at 83.
I don't think Trump is as bad as the news media makes him look. Trump talks big but he doesn't have a record of invasions and foreign interventions unlike Hillary. I suspect a president Hillary would be very good at saying the right thing to the media, but would continue the policies of invasions and bombings that I dislike so much.
What scares me the most is all the historians that describe the similarities between the current political climate with our elected/appointed officials and previous governments that have lurched towards autocracy.
i took a break from GH for a month and thread is tl;dr. Summary? is GH ****ting itself over trump? I know I was.
i took a break from GH for a month and thread is tl;dr. Summary? is GH ****ting itself over trump? I know I was.
No..
hillary camp still peeved..
And now recount
I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something
I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something
With the foaming-at-the-mouth crazies all around him, he might well stumble into it, however, even if he doesn't "declare" it.
I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something
With the foaming-at-the-mouth crazies all around him, he might well stumble into it, however, even if he doesn't "declare" it.
why does that matter to you.. you're already a million years old.. they won't send u to war.. hahahahaha...
I am CERTAIN that he'll mellow out and wont declare WWIII or something
With the foaming-at-the-mouth crazies all around him, he might well stumble into it, however, even if he doesn't "declare" it.
why does that matter to you.. you're already a million years old.. they won't send u to war.. hahahahaha...
That doesn't mean he wouldn't potentially have loved ones serving during a war regarding something only the gods would know about
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your avatar makes this so much more funny
Here's an interesting perspective on where Trump might be going with all the constant blatent lies. Basically, don't fool yourself into thinking this presidency is about anything more than power, control, adulation, and self advancement. He will throw out a few bones to keep the populist appeal, but that is a deliberate strategy to maintain support and power. He uses classic political strategy, but to a greater degree than what I have seen before in this country, and only read about in other countries.
https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.w57ggf4jk
Here's an interesting perspective on where Trump might be going with all the constant blatent lies. Basically, don't fool yourself into thinking this presidency is about anything more than power, control, adulation, and self advancement. He will throw out a few bones to keep the populist appeal, but that is a deliberate strategy to maintain support and power. He uses classic political strategy, but to a greater degree than what I have seen before in this country, and only read about in other countries.
https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.w57ggf4jk
Saying something has nothing to do with what has been said, rather it has everything to do with the desired OUTCOME of having said what's been said.
THE ENDS always justify the means..
The intelligent will teach this in the opposite to placate an uprising of the lesser.
Here's an interesting perspective on where Trump might be going with all the constant blatent lies. Basically, don't fool yourself into thinking this presidency is about anything more than power, control, adulation, and self advancement. He will throw out a few bones to keep the populist appeal, but that is a deliberate strategy to maintain support and power. He uses classic political strategy, but to a greater degree than what I have seen before in this country, and only read about in other countries.
https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150#.w57ggf4jk
Saying something has nothing to do with what has been said, rather it has everything to do with the desired OUTCOME of having said what's been said.
THE ENDS always justify the means..
The intelligent will teach this in the opposite to placate an uprising of the lesser.
You seem to be using the methodology, because what you said makes no sense.
ray why did you have to bump this T_T
ray why did you have to bump this T_T
Ż\(°_o)/Ż
I'm really afraid for the world right now.
I'm really afraid for the world right now.
Me too. I never thought that it could ever even happen at all, but this is turning out far worse than I would have imagined it could.
The idea that he would select the biggest fattest ugliest alligators in the country to populate his swamp should not be surprising since he is a pathological liar and only cares about wealthy people, but the White Supremacist/Radical Religious thing really blindsided me. During the campaign I thought that he was just talking that trash to stir up the haters.
There are more than enough smoking guns to derail his ascent: campaign law violations, conflicts of interest, foreign money, lawsuits, ineligible appointments, Putin, security breaches, the list could go on. But who is there to initiate and follow through with the process?
So Obama is having a press conference tomorrow....word on the street is he will be announcing a delay in the transition to President-Elect Trump because of the Russian hacking :eek:
As for racism.. our biology makes us naturally "racist" to some degree, through kin-selection..
Obama confirms trump won fair and square. We can move on now.
Obama confirms trump won fair and square. We can move on now.
Obama confirms trump won fair and square. We can move on now.
No, Obama confirmed that the voting and counting process proceeded mechanically as it should have.
Foreign intervention and deceit of the electorate is hardly "fair" even if it might conceivably be described as "square"
The amount of times that the United States has intervened in the elections and politics of other countries is basically off the charts, whether by force or covertly. Now all of our politicians are getting their panties in a bunch because some other country may have finally influenced our election. Bunch of hypocrites, we are.
The Democrats are always portraying themselves as good guys, but it seems all the hating so far has been on Trump. The news is totally one sided and very fanatical and alarmist.
Also, the Democrats haven't tried to win over the Trump supporters. Democrats seem to keep dismissing their concerns and are happy to stereotype them as a bunch of racist hicks. If New York is doing well, they don't care about Wisconsin and Pennsylvania's bad economy. These guys can starve or go to hell.
Hating on white working people is also racism, but Democrats refuse to accept that. To them white people are only privileged racists, and never victims.
The Democrats haven't shown any more respect for the Republicans than the other way round. They don't want to accept that in many people's eyes, homosexuality and transexuality is wrong. If you took a world vote, most people everywhere would say no to gays. Including the Arab Muslims and Catholic Mexicans that democrats love.
So when democrats want to impose their gay rights on Republicans, Republicans find it unpalatable. The same would go for many other policies that Democrats like and Republicans hate. For example, amnesty for 11 million illegal immigrants, unlimited entry to Muslims, taking in millions of Syrians, that kind of stuff. Most countries in the world would think that is totally crazy. Even Saudi Arabia is very restrictive on Muslim entry and doesn't accept any Syrian refugees. Now Democrats love that, that's fine. But if people who share your country object, I don't think it makes them monsters and madmen. If you start shouting Fascist and Racist at them, eventually they tune you out and only appoint their own people to political posts who ignore everything you say.
Because Democrats have created so much hysteria and lowered expectations so much, as long as Trump doesn't start a nuclear war on 20 January 2017 he will already be better than what most Democrats claim and everyone should be happy.
The amount of times that the United States has intervened in the elections and politics of other countries is basically off the charts, whether by force or covertly. Now all of our politicians are getting their panties in a bunch because some other country may have finally influenced our election. Bunch of hypocrites, we are.
Also, the Democrats haven't tried to win over the Trump supporters. Democrats seem to keep dismissing their concerns and are happy to stereotype them as a bunch of racist hicks.The election is over. Time to move on.
There is nothing funny
There is nothing funny about that. I am being dead serious. We are facing the hardest, biggest challenge in the history of mankind - the very real possibility of the destruction of the biosphere that we depend on, that sustains us, that everything we have is based on, without we have nothing, and the US president elect - the most powerful man in the world, is a giant douche going the wrong way.
That is not left or right. That is a fact.
There is nothing funny
True that.
The 26% of eligible US voters who propelled the Orange Hitler into office may have (the jury is still out, of course, and it will take months or years or decades to know) precipitated a set of global disasters of colossal magnitude on multiple fronts.
We can only hope that the Einstein quote proves true.
It's so inconvenient to have to face up to the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in the history of the nation. But, yeah, it was only all those welfare-check havin' beatniks in California. All 2.9 million of them (and rising). Who cares about the will of the people anyway? This is America.
It's so inconvenient to have to face up to the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in the history of the nation. But, yeah, it was only all those welfare-check havin' beatniks in California. All 2.9 million of them (and rising). Who cares about the will of the people anyway? This is America.
It's the largest margin by anyone that has lost the electoral college. Get your facts straight.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
This is the United STATES of America.
By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, ... the same thing as the people you are criticizing.
All I needed was for you to admit this.
I'm not saying Trump is a great guy.
I am saying that the democrats aren't great guys and don't deserve our sympathy.
Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters especially in the economically poor northern states that swung to Trump. She did not show that level of care, and stereotyped and labelled these people. She spent all her time pandering to blacks, hispanics and Muslims. She thought that as long as she won the minority vote, white people would automatically vote her way to avoid being labelled racist.
This is the result. Hillary deserved to lose. Bush barely won Florida, but Trump took Florida by a big margin. Arizona is a third Hispanic most of whom are recent immigrants from Mexico, but Trump took it anyway despite his wall-building comments.
After election is over for a month the media is still full of shrill commentary about Trump voters being ignorant and dumb racists. Clearly unlike you, the experienced editors and famous op-ed writers think that making these "broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them" makes for "very effective and convincing arguments." Michael Moore does it all the time, and his democrat supporters lap it up.
New York Times op eds, has this article by Ariel Dorfman: Now America, You Know How Chileans felt. The CIA overthrew Allende to install Pinochet. Now CIA is claiming that Russia interfered in USA election. After decades of messing with other people's political systems, if you don't know how to protect your own election then you are a fool. CIA could have figured out Russian meddling before the election and taken appropriate steps instead of whining when their preferred candidate didn't win.
If Trump's side lost and the CIA reported Russian hacking, the Republicans would have probably blamed the Russians. And it would be the Democrats dismissing these claims, saying that US election was fair and Russians had no impact.
Although the press thinks Trump is the world's greatest bigot since Hitler, Trump is well known to love New York City. He has lived in NYC all his life despite non-Hispanic white people being a minority.
In contrast, Clinton chose to move out of places with many black people. She lives in Chappaqua, where nearly the entire population is white, with blacks and Hispanics at under 1% each.
So the 'racist Republican' is the one who lives among mostly nonwhite people all the time. The 'good democrat' is the commuter who lives in a lily white suburb where the real estate values can stay up because there are no black or hispanic people. I am supposed to be convinced that Hillary is not racist?
By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, ... the same thing as the people you are criticizing.
All I needed was for you to admit this.
I'm not saying Trump is a great guy.
I am saying that the democrats aren't great guys and don't deserve our sympathy.
Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters especially in the economically poor northern states that swung to Trump. She did not show that level of care, and stereotyped and labelled these people. She spent all her time pandering to blacks, hispanics and Muslims. She thought that as long as she won the minority vote, white people would automatically vote her way to avoid being labelled racist.
This is the result. Hillary deserved to lose. Bush barely won Florida, but Trump took Florida by a big margin. Arizona is a third Hispanic most of whom are recent immigrants from Mexico, but Trump took it anyway despite his wall-building comments.
After election is over for a month the media is still full of shrill commentary about Trump voters being ignorant and dumb racists. Clearly unlike you, the experienced editors and famous op-ed writers think that making these "broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them" makes for "very effective and convincing arguments." Michael Moore does it all the time, and his democrat supporters lap it up.
New York Times op eds, has this article by Ariel Dorfman: Now America, You Know How Chileans felt. The CIA overthrew Allende to install Pinochet. Now CIA is claiming that Russia interfered in USA election. After decades of messing with other people's political systems, if you don't know how to protect your own election then you are a fool. CIA could have figured out Russian meddling before the election and taken appropriate steps instead of whining when their preferred candidate didn't win.
If Trump's side lost and the CIA reported Russian hacking, the Republicans would have probably blamed the Russians. And it would be the Democrats dismissing these claims, saying that US election was fair and Russians had no impact.
Although the press thinks Trump is the world's greatest bigot since Hitler, Trump is well known to love New York City. He has lived in NYC all his life despite non-Hispanic white people being a minority.
In contrast, Clinton chose to move out of places with many black people. She lives in Chappaqua, where nearly the entire population is white, with blacks and Hispanics at under 1% each.
So the 'racist Republican' is the one who lives among mostly nonwhite people all the time. The 'good democrat' is the commuter who lives in a lily white suburb where the real estate values can stay up because there are no black or hispanic people. I am supposed to be convinced that Hillary is not racist?
I like your energy
By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, ... the same thing as the people you are criticizing.
All I needed was for you to admit this.
I'm not saying Trump is a great guy.
I am saying that the democrats aren't great guys and don't deserve our sympathy.
Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters especially in the economically poor northern states that swung to Trump. She did not show that level of care, and stereotyped and labelled these people. She spent all her time pandering to blacks, hispanics and Muslims. She thought that as long as she won the minority vote, white people would automatically vote her way to avoid being labelled racist.
This is the result. Hillary deserved to lose. Bush barely won Florida, but Trump took Florida by a big margin. Arizona is a third Hispanic most of whom are recent immigrants from Mexico, but Trump took it anyway despite his wall-building comments.
After election is over for a month the media is still full of shrill commentary about Trump voters being ignorant and dumb racists. Clearly unlike you, the experienced editors and famous op-ed writers think that making these "broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them" makes for "very effective and convincing arguments." Michael Moore does it all the time, and his democrat supporters lap it up.
New York Times op eds, has this article by Ariel Dorfman: Now America, You Know How Chileans felt. The CIA overthrew Allende to install Pinochet. Now CIA is claiming that Russia interfered in USA election. After decades of messing with other people's political systems, if you don't know how to protect your own election then you are a fool. CIA could have figured out Russian meddling before the election and taken appropriate steps instead of whining when their preferred candidate didn't win.
If Trump's side lost and the CIA reported Russian hacking, the Republicans would have probably blamed the Russians. And it would be the Democrats dismissing these claims, saying that US election was fair and Russians had no impact.
Although the press thinks Trump is the world's greatest bigot since Hitler, Trump is well known to love New York City. He has lived in NYC all his life despite non-Hispanic white people being a minority.
In contrast, Clinton chose to move out of places with many black people. She lives in Chappaqua, where nearly the entire population is white, with blacks and Hispanics at under 1% each.
So the 'racist Republican' is the one who lives among mostly nonwhite people all the time. The 'good democrat' is the commuter who lives in a lily white suburb where the real estate values can stay up because there are no black or hispanic people. I am supposed to be convinced that Hillary is not racist?
I like your energy
Lies.. you didn't read it..
Just like I don't read this stuff.....
Because they're dim witted enough to post in such length on the internet.
That is clear indication of their low intelligence, and comprehension of the medium..
By making broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them, ... the same thing as the people you are criticizing.
All I needed was for you to admit this.
I'm not saying Trump is a great guy.
I am saying that the democrats aren't great guys and don't deserve our sympathy.
Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters especially in the economically poor northern states that swung to Trump. She did not show that level of care, and stereotyped and labelled these people. She spent all her time pandering to blacks, hispanics and Muslims. She thought that as long as she won the minority vote, white people would automatically vote her way to avoid being labelled racist.
This is the result. Hillary deserved to lose. Bush barely won Florida, but Trump took Florida by a big margin. Arizona is a third Hispanic most of whom are recent immigrants from Mexico, but Trump took it anyway despite his wall-building comments.
After election is over for a month the media is still full of shrill commentary about Trump voters being ignorant and dumb racists. Clearly unlike you, the experienced editors and famous op-ed writers think that making these "broad, sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and placing labels upon them" makes for "very effective and convincing arguments." Michael Moore does it all the time, and his democrat supporters lap it up.
New York Times op eds, has this article by Ariel Dorfman: Now America, You Know How Chileans felt. The CIA overthrew Allende to install Pinochet. Now CIA is claiming that Russia interfered in USA election. After decades of messing with other people's political systems, if you don't know how to protect your own election then you are a fool. CIA could have figured out Russian meddling before the election and taken appropriate steps instead of whining when their preferred candidate didn't win.
If Trump's side lost and the CIA reported Russian hacking, the Republicans would have probably blamed the Russians. And it would be the Democrats dismissing these claims, saying that US election was fair and Russians had no impact.
Although the press thinks Trump is the world's greatest bigot since Hitler, Trump is well known to love New York City. He has lived in NYC all his life despite non-Hispanic white people being a minority.
In contrast, Clinton chose to move out of places with many black people. She lives in Chappaqua, where nearly the entire population is white, with blacks and Hispanics at under 1% each.
So the 'racist Republican' is the one who lives among mostly nonwhite people all the time. The 'good democrat' is the commuter who lives in a lily white suburb where the real estate values can stay up because there are no black or hispanic people. I am supposed to be convinced that Hillary is not racist?
It's so inconvenient to have to face up to the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in the history of the nation. But, yeah, it was only all those welfare-check havin' beatniks in California. All 2.9 million of them (and rising). Who cares about the will of the people anyway? This is America.
This is the United STATES of America. The Electoral College isn't perfect but it does give more fair representation to states with smaller populations and balances out the distribution of popular votes. I can see the argument with swing states possibly deciding an election but the popular vote largely favors urban areas. Also, the statement about California was largely sarcastic. There are a million "what-ifs" but even having every California voter be pro-Hillary, the electoral results would still be the same and there would be a ~4 million vote swing for Clinton.
@Alienman82 I have tried to chill out since the election and the last time this thread was bumped :)
Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters
Clinton could have done things like address the concerns of white working class voters
Like lying to them about getting jobs for them while simultaneously taking away their Social Security and Affordable Health Care?
The entire inauguration felt like a goddamn church sermon, how many ****ing times do they need to bring up God and have yet another decrepit out of touch cardinal or priest talk more religious sanctimonious bull****?
And what the actual **** is with his cabinet choices? It's like the League Of Evil over here, this is absurd and surreal the rogues gallery that is being put into power right now.
What a complete ****show this entire election was from both sides: Dems putting up a completely unlikable robot criminal, and the Reps putting up a racist misogynist with zero political experience. Then one wins by literally rigging the election process and everyone is just cool with it. Absolutely absurd, and yet all the upset people still just sit around with their thumbs up their asses not doing **** to change anything. Just roll over and ****ing die America.
Why do people act like selecting the lesser of 2 evils is not a supremely important act of choice?
If one choice is even slightly better, it is imperative that you take it!
stop bumping this thread.
He won.. that's it.
stop bumping this thread.I'm allowed to express my opinion my dude, all i hope is trump doesnt go through with the free trade thing otherwise hes going to put my father out of a job that hes had for a long time and get rid of an opening of a job for myself in the future after i recover from cancer, and my mom is disabled so she cant work either.
He won.. that's it.
[A]ll i hope is trump doesnt go through with the free trade thing otherwise hes going to put my father out of a job that hes had for a long time and get rid of an opening of a job for myself in the future after i recover from cancer, and my mom is disabled so she cant work either.
I was waiting for someone to revive this thread today.
tired of stagnant wages (if they still had jobs), underemployment, and degraded occupations
I understand your concern. I think that sentiment is one of the reasons voters in the US put Trump in office. The so-called forgotten men and women Trump spoke to were tired of stagnant wages (if they still had jobs), underemployment, and degraded occupations, while they heard pontifications about the unemployment rate dropping to record lows; numbers that don't account for those who finally gave up and left the workforce.
the bleeding can't be stopped, only slowed.
And what the actual **** is with his cabinet choices? It's like the League Of Evil over here, this is absurd and surreal the rogues gallery that is being put into power right now.
I think that sentiment is one of the reasons voters in the US put Trump in office.
TBF, Mattis is one of the best people to have as SoD.
most experienced
What's truly horrifying is that the President has been elected so time to now get behind and support him but we get this deluded fenzy led by the Far Left, screaming and kicking at their loss in the election and are now pushing for rioting across the United States.
That is not only criminal on every front but indeed nasty in being the most spoiled losing trashbags ever, would rather that they destroy the United States instead of accepting the citizens votes. Never before have I ever witnessed such a bunch of irrational sicko's led by the mass-media to literally break up the US because their Democratic Messiah Hillary, lost the election.
The worst thing here is that with all of this stupefying hatred of someone who hasn't sat more than a day in office, is that some psychopathic cretin, (which unfortunately are lot of in your country), not trying to insult anyone here but those are the people who think they will become famous by attempting to kill a US President. Those are the ones desperate for attention and we have this sick and twisted mass-media promoting outright destabilization of your country.
Can understand if after four years your country collapses under it's own weight of arrogance and ignominy BUT isn't it decent to allow anyone to do his work first otherwise you become a pathetic Far Left branch of the Democratic Party trying to still gain power illegitimately even if it means blood on the streets.
Remember Hillary was racing around your nation proclaiming to everyone who would listen she wanted to take back Crimea (which was never hers to own in the first place) and you think that it would happen without Russia allowing it. We narrowly avoided a real 3rd World War here yet the morons are out on the street burning cars and screaming about it NOT happening? Thank gawd most normal Americans saw the light here and would rather enjoy 4 years of peace instead of outright obliteration.
First allow Trump to work as the "President" before like moronic tossers, continue kicking and screaming all the way for nothing. Wait till four years are up and I bet most of these same ignorant people who have jobs and a secure future would then cast their next vote for either more of the same or the Far Left's version of insanity on a Global Scale.
What's truly horrifying is that the President has been elected so time to now get behind and support him but we get this deluded fenzy led by the Far Left, screaming and kicking at their loss in the election and are now pushing for rioting across the United States.
That is not only criminal on every front but indeed nasty in being the most spoiled losing trashbags ever, would rather that they destroy the United States instead of accepting the citizens votes. Never before have I ever witnessed such a bunch of irrational sicko's led by the mass-media to literally break up the US because their Democratic Messiah Hillary, lost the election.
The worst thing here is that with all of this stupefying hatred of someone who hasn't sat more than a day in office, is that some psychopathic cretin, (which unfortunately are lot of in your country), not trying to insult anyone here but those are the people who think they will become famous by attempting to kill a US President. Those are the ones desperate for attention and we have this sick and twisted mass-media promoting outright destabilization of your country.
Can understand if after four years your country collapses under it's own weight of arrogance and ignominy BUT isn't it decent to allow anyone to do his work first otherwise you become a pathetic Far Left branch of the Democratic Party trying to still gain power illegitimately even if it means blood on the streets.
Remember Hillary was racing around your nation proclaiming to everyone who would listen she wanted to take back Crimea (which was never hers to own in the first place) and you think that it would happen without Russia allowing it. We narrowly avoided a real 3rd World War here yet the morons are out on the street burning cars and screaming about it NOT happening? Thank gawd most normal Americans saw the light here and would rather enjoy 4 years of peace instead of outright obliteration.
First allow Trump to work as the "President" before like moronic tossers, continue kicking and screaming all the way for nothing. Wait till four years are up and I bet most of these same ignorant people who have jobs and a secure future would then cast their next vote for either more of the same or the Far Left's version of insanity on a Global Scale.
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED.. The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..
and what is it about starbucks that makes anarchists want to trash them??? If it was still open would have been a good place to get a beverage / and or pee during said protest...
nick get out of here, UK people can't vote for USA president, and you can't get beef jerky either!
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED.. The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..
And do you not think it's ironic that he's now filling his cabinet with those coastal elites?
Starbucks is seen as an icon of capitalism. It's a natural first target by so called anarchists.
Now whether he screws them over, now that he is in office remains to be seen.
It's funny when you talk about Hillary voters doing what the elites told them to do, and yet Trump and Wilbur Ross's combined net worths alone are over $6.5b.
All Trump has to do is channel most of the tax payer funding to re-building the United States which has been left to rot and decay everywhere throughout this great nation, also to start repaying the trillions of dollars in debt accrued by previous parasites over the last 40 years. Why be a First World Power when millions are without jobs and there isn't any hope for the future?
That should be the NUMBER one job for any American President to help his people FIRST, that has been missing for such a long time now.
I for one hope he doesn't **** up everyone's health care, destroy the environment or cause some massive international diplomatic incident, because I quite like the world that I live in. I wish him all the best, but it doesn't mean those people who didn't vote for him can't voice their frustrations against him. I abhor violent civil disobedience for any cause, but protesting is the people's right.
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED.. The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..
This is the widespread reality of America.
The tiny but powerful few who had tried to help Hillary to grab power, yet failed dismally. They still see nothing wrong in their decision to encourage widespread panic with the moronic few because let's face it, most will do anything what the elites want them to with little to no understanding of why they are doing it.
The elites just witnessed a rebuke to their influence and are trying their best to tear it all down and burn everything as a final salute to those that voted for Trump. Like I said before wait till the end of four years when actual industry starts picking up because the elites will have a far harder time in trying to paint Trump as some kind of monster, when MILLIONS of Americans find new jobs under his term of leadership. Maybe the Mass-media will still ignore that as well, desperately trying to induct their idiot campaign upon the clueless here, to convince everyone that jobs for everyone is communistic and must be resisted at all costs ;) .
Trust me, Trump couldn't do any worse than the previous tosser
The public paid him the ultimate compliment with this election and it shall be remembered for a very long time.
Can't we all just be friends?
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED.. The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..
This is the widespread reality of America.
The tiny but powerful few who had tried to help Hillary to grab power, yet failed dismally. They still see nothing wrong in their decision to encourage widespread panic with the moronic few because let's face it, most will do anything what the elites want them to with little to no understanding of why they are doing it.
The elites just witnessed a rebuke to their influence and are trying their best to tear it all down and burn everything as a final salute to those that voted for Trump. Like I said before wait till the end of four years when actual industry starts picking up because the elites will have a far harder time in trying to paint Trump as some kind of monster, when MILLIONS of Americans find new jobs under his term of leadership. Maybe the Mass-media will still ignore that as well, desperately trying to induct their idiot campaign upon the clueless here, to convince everyone that jobs for everyone is communistic and must be resisted at all costs ;) .Trust me, Trump couldn't do any worse than the previous tosser
Ah yes, welcome everyone to the alternative facts:
- The rich elites tried to get Hillary in power, while Trump is a pauper (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/top-presidential-donors-campaign-money.html) that only had the support of the poor and struggling worker class (http://fortune.com/2016/10/17/donald-trump-peter-thiel-carl-icahn/), including some incredibly impoverished (http://fortune.com/2016/08/03/trump-billionaire-backers-list/) individuals.
- The actual industry that will pick up... er, which industry is that again specifically (http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/11/17/trump-cant-make-apples-iphone-manufacturing-come-back-and-it-wouldnt-help-if-he-could/)? Well, no matter, they're all the same as far as Trump is concerned I'm sure. Just tax all imports and outsourcing until those jobs come back, whatever they were, because it worked really well historically with the Smoot–Hawley Tariff (https://fee.org/articles/the-smoot-hawley-tariff-and-the-great-depression/). But who cares about history - that has a well known liberal bias.
- Let's bring back the coal jobs especially, as so many in the rust belt are suffering due to those pesky liberal solar and wind energy sources being cheaper and safer. No worries, just remove all regulations that are making coal no longer competitive (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/29/donald-trumps-promise-to-revive-coal-industry-will/), and build more plants, even if that makes air in our towns look like those in China (https://qz.com/157015/this-map-shows-where-the-chinese-coal-plants-that-kill-257000-a-year-are/) and kills thousands in the coal mines. We can then treat the rise of lung diseases and related injuries using the new wondrous healthcare system that is obviously going to be vastly better than anything before it.
- Which is exactly why the ACA that many of his supporters use unknowingly (http://www.dailydot.com/upstream/jimmy-kimmel-obamacare-affordable-care-act/)is the first and foremost (http://time.com/4642088/trump-inauguration-obamacare-repeal-order/) priority of the administration, as repealing that will obviously immediately help the already struggling millions of lower income populace with their health problems. No need to actually have a concrete plan for something better first (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/obamacare-replacement-plans/), because gotta get those pesky insurance premiums (https://www.wired.com/2017/01/not-even-insurance-companies-want-obamacare-repealed/) down ASAP for those that can no longer afford them. Such as businesses (http://fortune.com/2017/01/18/affordable-care-act-repealed/) that never insured their workers and the upper classes (http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/aca-repeal-would-lavish-medicare-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households). What could possibly go wrong? (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-cbo-repealing-obamacare-20150619-column.html)
- Look, it's okay. Of course he'll bring back manufacturing, because he deeply cares (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/dec/12/lockheed-martin-share-prices-donald-trump-tweet) about domestic production (http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/09/the-carrier-jobs-trump-saved-will-be-automated-anyway/), like that time he yelled at Toyota (http://www.industryweek.com/competitiveness/toyota-tops-most-american-made-car-list). Don't look at the labels on the lines of clothing and other paraphernalia that he (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/) and his daughter have (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/business/donald-trump-ivanka-clothes-global-trade-overseas-manufacturing.html).
- We have to just have faith that the person that has a known history screwing over minority renters (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/09/trump-housing-discrimination-largest-in-history-228741), small businesses, and contractors (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners/) while sitting on golden chairs (https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-family-cbs-interview-gold-thrones-elite-all-americans-man-of-the-people-7416171) and lying throughout (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/) his entire campaign (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/i9tog6/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-trump-lets-the-truth-come-out-post-election) will put the little guys first and foremost.
- Why, look at the cabinet appointments - incredibly qualified individuals all (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/19/donald-trump-has-assembled-the-worst-cabinet-in-american-history/), who know the struggles of the lower and middle classes well (http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/donald-trumps-14-billion-cabinet/). They'll do their utmost for us, of course.
- How dare that pesky liberal media even attempt to sort through the constant stream of Orwellian (https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/5phjg9/kellyanne_conway_spicer_gave_alternative_facts_on/dcrdfgn/?st=iy99x3xr&sh=83b411f1) post-truth (http://www.recode.net/2017/1/22/14350432/trump-press-secretary-lied-sean-spicer-meme) indecipherable (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/french-people-translate-donald-trump-us-president-language-speech-a7539461.html) verbiage? They're all fake, anyway, so it's not like it matters if they do manage it.
- Just... just give the guy a chance. He'll definitely do unbelievable things to the country and the rest of the world.
The public paid him the ultimate compliment with this election and it shall be remembered for a very long time.
It sure will be.
It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women
It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women
I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.
I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.
And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.
Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?
"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.
The only voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?
It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women
I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.
I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.
And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.
Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?
"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.
The only voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?
This has a lot to do with the Clinton campaign's false message of confidence. "We got this" seemed to be the mentality going into the election. Also, much of the first-black-president enthusiasm we saw in 2008 was absent in 2016 where we pitted "old white establishment lady" against "old white business man".
That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans. There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it. It's also important to remember that, while Trump fits the "sleazy businessman" profile, Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician, as well as a member of a political dynasty (something Americans have not liked since Bush II).
It was a perfect storm of many factors.
It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women
I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.
I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.
And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.
Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?
"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.
The only voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?
It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women
I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.
I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.
And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.
Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?
"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.
The only voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?
This has a lot to do with the Clinton campaign's false message of confidence. "We got this" seemed to be the mentality going into the election. Also, much of the first-black-president enthusiasm we saw in 2008 was absent in 2016 where we pitted "old white establishment lady" against "old white business man".
That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans. There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it. It's also important to remember that, while Trump fits the "sleazy businessman" profile, Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician, as well as a member of a political dynasty (something Americans have not liked since Bush II).
It was a perfect storm of many factors.
The greatest irony of this idea is that Trump is a slatwart of the rich, elite establishment. But he speaks and acts in a way that you don't hear from the traditional politician, more like your uncle that gleens his political knowledge from partisan TV news, which has its own appeal to lots of Americans.
That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans. There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.
<snip>Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician</snip>
///Ridiculous
///Ridiculous
By your netting, an educated person would neither vote, NOR even talk about voting..
Such person would instead go make money, and through that achieve TRUE political EFFICACY..
So, all you've done is call yourself an idiot for this continued bickering over politics on an inconsequential online forum about keyboards.
mods shouldn't remove it - it's off topic. TP4 should lock it though since it's way too toxic
If Trump actually gets impeached, the political drama will reach all time highs.
If Trump actually gets impeached, the political drama will reach all time highs.
I was waiting for someone to revive this thread today. Voted for the guy, but damn it will be a whole lot easier if these next four years aren't a continual ****-show.
I understand your concern. I think that sentiment is one of the reasons voters in the US put Trump in office. The so-called forgotten men and women Trump spoke to were tired of stagnant wages (if they still had jobs), underemployment, and degraded occupations, while they heard pontifications about the unemployment rate dropping to record lows; numbers that don't account for those who finally gave up and left the workforce.
Part of being a non-partisan voter is the freedom of choice you get from having no affiliation. I've voted: Bush, Obama, abstain (mistake), Trump (TBD). I always love a good political discussion, and try to be two-sided in fairness whenever I talk politics. Just because things are bleak and have been for a while doesn't mean we shouldn't talk and figure out what's getting people so triggered!
mods shouldn't remove it - it's off topic. TP4 should lock it though since it's way too toxic
Let's all face facts: The end goal here was to get a president Pence, so the way they rigged everything was rather well done. How else do you get an unelectable man elected? Overshadow him with a loud brash fireworks show that distracts the simpletons with flashing colors so no one pays any attention to the Voldemort behind him. There was absolutely no way even Pence would have been able to beat that robotic lizard Hillary, so they just snuck him in as the VP because they knew the story everyone wanted to hear was Trump.
Once Trump is impeached we will be left with far worse, so yeah you may hate Hillary which is understandable, but by voting Trump you've ****ed absolutely everyone in the end.
See, tp, your last two posts in this thread are meant to be funny but they actually just show the reason why women are protesting in your country.
LOL GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN is a pretty ****ty joke.
Not to be harsh dude, but if you talk like that around women as well, it's not that they don't understand you it's probably that they dont like you =/
The political masters use the whole two-sided debate in this country to herd voters into corners over mostly trivial issues, and then just use your vote to advance their own agenda.
the vast number of people who will no longer be needed in tomorrow's world?
As always, the people who can least afford to support their children, have the most of such children.
The poorest, most messed up countries are the ones who have the highest birthrates, after which they demand for aid, prey on others' shipping, or simply send out their excess population to others as refugees.
There is no liberal answer to this.
We know the right wing answer to this, and it isn't pretty either.
"Trump just announced his pick for FCC Chairman, and it's Ajit Pai, a former Verizon lawyer and the absolute worst case scenario for net neutrality.
Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered" and that he would "fire up the weed whacker" to gut protections like the open internet rule."
- Kurt Walters 2017
As always, the people who can least afford to support their children, have the most of such children.
The poorest, most messed up countries are the ones who have the highest birthrates, after which they demand for aid, prey on others' shipping, or simply send out their excess population to others as refugees.
There is no liberal answer to this.
We know the right wing answer to this, and it isn't pretty either.
"Trump just announced his pick for FCC Chairman, and it's Ajit Pai, a former Verizon lawyer and the absolute worst case scenario for net neutrality.
Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered" and that he would "fire up the weed whacker" to gut protections like the open internet rule."
- Kurt Walters 2017
"Trump just announced his pick for FCC Chairman, and it's Ajit Pai, a former Verizon lawyer and the absolute worst case scenario for net neutrality.
Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered" and that he would "fire up the weed whacker" to gut protections like the open internet rule."
- Kurt Walters 2017
Interesting read from a Forbes Contributor; Why Is The Media Smearing New FCC Chair Ajit Pai As The Enemy Of Net Neutrality? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2017/01/24/why-is-the-media-smearing-new-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-as-the-enemy-of-net-neutrality/#6e2d493e4c7f)
I feel like I am getting conflicting information this, trying to understand if him as chairman will be a good move (or not) for net neutrality.
Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered"
Interesting read from a Forbes Contributor; Why Is The Media Smearing New FCC Chair Ajit Pai As The Enemy Of Net Neutrality? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2017/01/24/why-is-the-media-smearing-new-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-as-the-enemy-of-net-neutrality/#6e2d493e4c7f)
I feel like I am getting conflicting information this, trying to understand if him as chairman will be a good move (or not) for net neutrality.
Trump has the habit of appointing people who are the opposites, and who have the most conflicting views.
For a man who seems hubristic in many ways, this is one of the most intelligent habits by far.
And I think it is one of the least understood habits of Trump.
For all his boasting and posturing Trump is perfectly aware that he isn't the smartest nor that he has all the answers. That's why he deliberately has people bring different perspectives to the table, and to have them fight it out in front of him.
Appointing total skeptics to run certain agencies isn't necessarily a bad move. It brings a totally different point of view to what is otherwise an echo chamber. The skeptic will also have more credibility with the enemies of these agencies, ensuring greater cooperation.
The responsibility for the selections, however, lie with Donald Trump.
If Trump selected a skeptic or former enemy and used him to head a committee or agency, this will be a success if Trump made a good character judgement - that such a person is open minded and amenable to changing his views after getting new information from the agency officers and committee members.
If Trump made a bad judgement and chose an ideologue, then this person will head the agency with the mentality of a wrecker or saboteur. He will do no good.
I'm pretty sure some of the people Trump appointed will lead their agencies down dark and destructive ways. But I also expect the outcomes to be unpredictable.
Jeff Sessions for instance, is often thought of as a big racist. But one of the most liberal Supreme Court justices in US history, Hugo Black, started out as not just a racist, but a member of the KKK.
So people can be unpredictable. And the Trump administration is probably the least predictable in the history of the United States. They'll either drain the swamp and leave the US as a better place, or... just read any liberal newspaper for predictions on what is likely to happen.
Pai is a guy who said after Trump was elected that the neutrality's "days are numbered"
Interesting read from a Forbes Contributor; Why Is The Media Smearing New FCC Chair Ajit Pai As The Enemy Of Net Neutrality? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2017/01/24/why-is-the-media-smearing-new-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-as-the-enemy-of-net-neutrality/#6e2d493e4c7f)
I feel like I am getting conflicting information this, trying to understand if him as chairman will be a good move (or not) for net neutrality.
Let me digest this a bit. So far, I haven't figured out how to resolve the conflicting concepts enumerated here.
I was 100% behind the decision to define the internet as a "public utility" and that inevitably involves certain levels of regulation (and hopefully that is to keep the playing field level).
I think that Trump's pro-business pro-labor policies will help the struggling working class some, but automation is a more threatening trend for the American worker.
Any thoughts on how we deal with the vast number of people who will no longer be needed in tomorrow's world?
Fohat—Agreed, over-populaton is a problem but I'm not sure that addresses the problem of surplus labor. If we have 4 billion people instead of 8 billion, it would largely leave the same percentage of people unnecessary to run a heavily automated society. I'm reminded of the blobs of dystopic humanity in the movie WALL-E.
Granting that we should reduce population, how would we do it? Education? Limiting numbers of children to parents? Stopping humanitarian aid to underdeveloped nations? Extermination of undesirable elements? Euthanization for people at the first sign of geriatric disease? WW3? This is not not meant as a rhetoric. A less populated Earth makes sense. I'm just not sure how to do it without a callous disregard for others autonomy or well being.
Ultimately, the questions that must be asked will have to include the value and purpose of the individual.
As always, the people who can least afford to support their children, have the most of such children.
The poorest, most messed up countries are the ones who have the highest birthrates, after which they demand for aid, prey on others' shipping, or simply send out their excess population to others as refugees.
There is no liberal answer to this.
We know the right wing answer to this, and it isn't pretty either.
The topic of reducing fertility rates has been well researched and carried out in many countries. In fact, fertility rates have been on the declining for many decades and the growth in world population has slowed considerably. Two things that come to mind are improving access to birth control methods (not even talking about abortion here) and empowering women. Women that see themselves as more than mothers, but actually educated individuals that have a place in the world of work, will be less enthusiastic to be subservient to a man and have a bunch of children.
And you don't have to force any of this on people, just provide them with the opportunity and they will use it if they want it.
If you're that interested in the topic, here is a start from the first page of Google results. (http://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/IP176/index2.html) You can Google the issue some more if you that interested.
We have a clear picture.. once you're fed and educated (as far as modern education is concerned)... YOU DON"T want KIDS..
This is bad.. very very bad..
There's hope that we reach a balance point.. but more likely than not.. It'll get to a point where you MUST have one to fill the ranks..
We have a clear picture.. once you're fed and educated (as far as modern education is concerned)... YOU DON"T want KIDS..
This is bad.. very very bad..
There's hope that we reach a balance point.. but more likely than not.. It'll get to a point where you MUST have one to fill the ranks..
So it means that every Geekhacker has to start impregnating as many women as possible and you lot need to do it soon.
Do it for your Country because quite soon your own population will be reduced down to oldies and walking frame cretins unable to do anything. Time to pull out the family jewels and put them to work and I don't mean shooting anymore Pron vids for facebook.
It's your duty to bring in the new generation to clean up our mess we've created for more than 50 plus years.
/TP4thread
Education? Limiting numbers of children to parents? (...) Extermination of undesirable elements? Euthanization for people at the first sign of geriatric disease? WW3?What's interesting is that all of that had been tried in various ways and countries.
The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.
The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child.
Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany.
The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.
The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child.
Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany.
There are morally acceptable ways to accomplish some of this.
For example, provide tax breaks and benefits for the first 2 offspring, then tax additional children heavily.
Suicide and euthanasia should be acceptable and non-stigmatized ways for competent adults to end their lives, if they so choose.
I am 100% certain that the world will get more religious. Because the secular progressives will be quickly out reproduced by the religious.
Won't work.Yeah, but I think most of the religious nutjobs live in places that are going to go to hell anyway within the next five decades.
Most rational, sensible, reasonable people will go along.
Religious people are not going to accept this.
Won't work.Yeah, but I think most of the religious nutjobs live in places that are going to go to hell anyway within the next five decades.
Most rational, sensible, reasonable people will go along.
Religious people are not going to accept this.
I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.
I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.
Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter. I would add apathy to that short list as well.
The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.
The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child.
Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany.
There are morally acceptable ways to accomplish some of this.
For example, provide tax breaks and benefits for the first 2 offspring, then tax additional children heavily.
Suicide and euthanasia should be acceptable and non-stigmatized ways for competent adults to end their lives, if they so choose.
I am not so sure about the suicide portion but I wholly support euthanasia laws like Oregon's Death with Dignity Act. If someone is terminally ill, there is no need to prolong any suffering for fear of "Playing God".
Here in the Western world, it is almost considered a "right" to have a child, no matter what.
Childless couples who want a child or even childless single women in their 40's are given medical treatments to get pregnant and those treatments are often paid for with public funds (in countries that offer their citizens affordable health care)
The first step to limiting population growth would be to change that attitude.
The next step would be to sterilize parents after they have had their second child. Top cope with cases where a child had died in childhood, the sterilization procedures chosen should be of types that could be reversed.
Killing people when they are geriatric or weak... That's stuff from Nazi Germany. Governments should not kill their own people. Murder is murder.
I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.
Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter. I would add apathy to that short list as well.
plato didn't have internet..
Stop making these leaps guys.. core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.
I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.
Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter. I would add apathy to that short list as well.
plato didn't have internet..
Stop making these leaps guys.. core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.
Yea, but looking beyond the impact of modern technology, have the essential parts of human nature and behavior changed that much in the last couple thousands years? There's a reason that we still read the Greek tragedies and Shakespeare's plays, they still are relevant to modern human behavior.
it's Heroin
Modern Pharmacology has redefined what used to be
I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.
Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter. I would add apathy to that short list as well.
plato didn't have internet..
Stop making these leaps guys.. core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.
Yea, but looking beyond the impact of modern technology, have the essential parts of human nature and behavior changed that much in the last couple thousands years? There's a reason that we still read the Greek tragedies and Shakespeare's plays, they still are relevant to modern human behavior.
Well, I would say people still read that old stuff because they need to feel better about their English degrees.. hahahahaha
As for democracy..
I don't think Plato's comprehension of democracy is the same as today..
Democracy without communication is as he said under threat by ignorance.. So that is a huge problem in his day, because information is localized, and some guy has to yell at the top of his lungs on a certain day at a certain time, and you had to be there to hear it.
The threat of ignorance isn't so much a problem today, rather democracy is under threat because of capitalist mentality .. To pursue increased personal wealth without a clear purpose in utilizing such wealth..
This is far more dangerous, because the population is then aimless, and easily circularly huddled around hedonism..
This wouldn't have been a problem except now we have Thoroughly conquered the Equation to happiness.. Turns out, it's Heroin..
And we can generate an infinite supply of Heroin..
In conflict, We now also know.. If you're happy, you don't go to work, you don't want to work, you don't feel like you need anything.. EXCEPT being m0ar happy..
Modern Pharmacology has redefined what used to be a human endeavor.. Happiness as it turns out is not a right , it's a metered resource..
I think that's the great weakness of democracy and human rights. You have freedom of religion, which allows all the fools to use religion as an excuse to do as they please.
Plato said thousands of years ago that the greatest threat to democracy is the ignorance of the average voter. I would add apathy to that short list as well.
plato didn't have internet..
Stop making these leaps guys.. core principles might remain the same, but expression of those principles have drastically been evolved by technology.
Yea, but looking beyond the impact of modern technology, have the essential parts of human nature and behavior changed that much in the last couple thousands years? There's a reason that we still read the Greek tragedies and Shakespeare's plays, they still are relevant to modern human behavior.
Well, I would say people still read that old stuff because they need to feel better about their English degrees.. hahahahaha
As for democracy..
I don't think Plato's comprehension of democracy is the same as today..
Democracy without communication is as he said under threat by ignorance.. So that is a huge problem in his day, because information is localized, and some guy has to yell at the top of his lungs on a certain day at a certain time, and you had to be there to hear it.
The threat of ignorance isn't so much a problem today, rather democracy is under threat because of capitalist mentality .. To pursue increased personal wealth without a clear purpose in utilizing such wealth..
This is far more dangerous, because the population is then aimless, and easily circularly huddled around hedonism..
This wouldn't have been a problem except now we have Thoroughly conquered the Equation to happiness.. Turns out, it's Heroin..
And we can generate an infinite supply of Heroin..
In conflict, We now also know.. If you're happy, you don't go to work, you don't want to work, you don't feel like you need anything.. EXCEPT being m0ar happy..
Modern Pharmacology has redefined what used to be a human endeavor.. Happiness as it turns out is not a right , it's a metered resource..
I know you like offer a counterpoint for the sake of offering a counterpoint, but...okay I really don't know what to say when tp goes off like this. Maybe just bow down at his clown genius.
All tp wants is a belly rub.... go on give him a belly scratch he loves belly scratches.
Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.
That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.
Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.
That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.
Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?
No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.
For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending. I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money. Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.
That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.
Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?
No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.
For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending. I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money. Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".
There's gonna be a riot if he does this..
Because there are simply too many things made outside the us right now... and @ 10% + sales tax, no one making 40k will be able to afford anything at all..
If you don't like America, then move to Canada with Halverson and Sifo.
If you don't like America, then move to Canada with Halverson and Sifo.
Seriously, it's nice up here. I also don't think we'll be building a wall or imposing any tariffs on american goods. You do have to get used to multiple political parties though.
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.
That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.
Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?
No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.
For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending. I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money. Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".
There's gonna be a riot if he does this..
Because there are simply too many things made outside the us right now... and @ 10% + sales tax, no one making 40k will be able to afford anything at all..
There have been people rioting since 2016. As they say - American's have short attention spans and I guess I just got used to them.
Where was the outrage in this? (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/24/barack-obama-palestine-funding-221-million-final-hours)
You have issues with a 10% tariff - which a lot of our "friends" are already doing - but no outrage over Obama printing money and giving it away?
"This is actually money that the Israelis have traditionally supported us giving to the Palestinians because it goes toward things like security reform and making sure the Palestinian Authority doesn't collapse, and that's actually in Israel's security interest," Harf said.
The money given to the Palestinians coincides with the $3.8 billion-a-year memorandum signed between the U.S. and Israel in September, guaranteeing a set level of funding for the Israelis over the next 10 years.
"We felt that was very important to sign under the Obama Administration to make sure the Israelis knew they were going to keep getting support from us," Harf said.
Harf said she does not think President Donald Trump will reverse this $221 million in funding.
"If we don't help the Palestinian Authority maintain stability, that's actually really bad for Israel's security," she said.
Congress had initially approved the Palestinian funding in budget years 2015 and 2016, but at least two GOP lawmakers — Ed Royce of California, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Kay Granger of Texas, who sits on the House Appropriations Committee — had placed holds on it over moves the Palestinian Authority had taken to seek membership in international organizations. Congressional holds are generally respected by the executive branch but are not legally binding after funds have been allocated.
If you don't like America, then move to Canada with Halverson and Sifo.
Seriously, it's nice up here. I also don't think we'll be building a wall or imposing any tariffs on american goods. You do have to get used to multiple political parties though.
You don't have Portillos though. :(
^ I read the article and I don't agree with it. Nor do I agree with giving money to Israel.
We are a nation that is $20 trillion in the hole and can't afford to have everyone living on our tit indefinitely.
^ I read the article and I don't agree with it. Nor do I agree with giving money to Israel.
We are a nation that is $20 trillion in the hole and can't afford to have everyone living on our tit indefinitely.
It seemed that you were implying that he did something illegal or underhanded in your prior post. When its something that's been voted on, and process was followed. Why should there be outrage over something that was already taken through the process?
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries. If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries. If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries. If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
If it's on the Internet, it's true..
Trump admin is floating the idea of a 10% tariff on ALL electronics and media not manufactured in America.
That includes but is not limited to all computer components, anything on a disc, phones, your keyboards... pretty much all electronics since America has limited, expensive, and poorly designed manufacturing processes for these items.
Now what do you have to say about a 10% additional tax on everything you care about?
No doubt it will suck for all the Philosophy grads expecting $75k out of College.
For the rest of us in the real world we'll simply curb our spending. I know that seems like such an alien concept but there was a time when people didn't buy something unless they had the money. Maybe it will help separate "need" from "want".
There's gonna be a riot if he does this..
Because there are simply too many things made outside the us right now... and @ 10% + sales tax, no one making 40k will be able to afford anything at all..
There have been people rioting since 2016. As they say - American's have short attention spans and I guess I just got used to them.
Where was the outrage in this? (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/24/barack-obama-palestine-funding-221-million-final-hours)
You have issues with a 10% tariff - which a lot of our "friends" are already doing - but no outrage over Obama printing money and giving it away?
Just a testament to his awful job in office.
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries. If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
If it's on the Internet, it's true..
These destabilizing tactics are done on purpose..
A united middle east is too difficult on the oil front.
Think about it this way.. If YOU"RE smart enough to realize it's bad foreign policy.. Don't you think professional foreign policy makers know that as well ?
Yet they did it anyway.. WHY, what was the reason.. ??
short sighted people continue to debate and point fingers, they're looking at this completely wrong..
The more the middle east is at its own throat,, the more easily the US can buy their oil, and sell them Made In America Guns..
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries. If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
If it's on the Internet, it's true..
If ya wanna head up to Canada, better move before there is another wall... eh?
Fun fact, the USA bombs countries into chaos and hellish conditions, and then bans immigration from those same countries. If you ever wondered why people around the world might hate the USA, there is a pretty big reason right there.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/trumps-muslim-immigration-executive-order-if-we-bombed-you-we-ban-you/
If it's on the Internet, it's true..
These destabilizing tactics are done on purpose..
A united middle east is too difficult on the oil front.
Think about it this way.. If YOU"RE smart enough to realize it's bad foreign policy.. Don't you think professional foreign policy makers know that as well ?
Yet they did it anyway.. WHY, what was the reason.. ??
short sighted people continue to debate and point fingers, they're looking at this completely wrong..
The more the middle east is at its own throat,, the more easily the US can buy their oil, and sell them Made In America Guns..
Saudi Arabia has always been a special case because it supplies so much oil.
Saudi Arabia has always been a special case because it supplies so much oil.
Hmmm. Is that really it?Show Image(http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/04/gr-oilprod-300.gif)
What's your evidence for this statement? Can you think of a few things that he might have done well or accomplished?
Saudi Arabia has always been a special case because it supplies so much oil.
Hmmm. Is that really it?Show Image(http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/04/gr-oilprod-300.gif)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
I know they are the largest producer. But they aren't our (USA) largest supplier. In fact, as shown in the imports graphic, we import about the same amount from Mexico, and it appears they don't deserve special treatment. I think what you might find is that it isn't about USA oil at all, but again global politics and influence (look up where Europe gets their oil imports from).
I know they are the largest producer. But they aren't our (USA) largest supplier. In fact, as shown in the imports graphic, we import about the same amount from Mexico, and it appears they don't deserve special treatment. I think what you might find is that it isn't about USA oil at all, but again global politics and influence (look up where Europe gets their oil imports from).
So you don't think the fact that Saudi Arabia produces the most oil has any influence on global politics?
Also this in relation to your oil import statement:
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-energy-how-much-what-type-and-where-from/
Can't we all just be friends?
I'll be your friend...... wanna make love?
My objection was that fohat did not specify that Saudi Arabia supplied oil to America. I would like to think that America is concerned enough about the rest of the world to be extra considerate of Saudi Arabia for all the reasons you just specified.
What's your evidence for this statement? Can you think of a few things that he might have done well or accomplished?
That's the problem with politics in the US today. People increasingly fall into the trap of ideological differences that the politicians have set (bread and circuses), while pursuing their own agendas. Obama didn't/couldn't have done anything correctly or right, because he falls into a different bucket. Trump can't/won't do anything right because he falls into a different bucket.
This is the failure of the imagination; reducing others whose beliefs and motivations you don’t understand to a literally subhuman category. You can use other words: barbarian, bigot, racist, sexist, hater, etc. You 'other' people that don't agree with you in this fashion:
- I am a rational/good human being.
- Because I am a rational/good human being, I believe X.
- If you do not believe X, you are either ignorant, stupid, or evil.
- Because you are ignorant, stupid, or evil, it is useless to debate with you and pointless to listen to you.
https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777/
It is written by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist. Haidt is a self-described liberal, but his research focuses on morality – its emotional foundations, cultural variations, and development.
Haidt basically argues that conservatives and liberals disagree because they are being motivated by different moral matrixes. When they see each other as “evil”, it’s because they don’t understand the moral matrix the other is operating from (Haidt is not a moral relativist, and does believe in evil, he just doesn’t apply the word to most political or philosophical disagreements).
I don’t agree with everything that Haidt says, but I recommend this book to everybody. He develops and works with a few axioms, two of which are:
There’s more to morality than harm and fairness.
Morality binds and blinds.
The second axiom sounds purely negative, but it’s not; rather it’s the acknowledgement that while a strong moral code can be a powerful tool for personal happiness and social order, at the same time it blinds us to the validity of competing moral codes.
The entire book is an exercise in the scholarly and scientific application of imagination to the problem of moral social conflict, and especially to the necessity of understanding the other side. And this is important. Understanding does not mean agreement, and without proselytizing conservatism to liberals or liberalism to conservatives, Haidt (I think successfully), communicates how the artificial sides fall into specific views, and, I think anyonee acknowledgement that while a strong moral code can be a powerful tool for personal happiness and social order, at the same time it blinds us to the validity of competing moral codes.
The entire book is an exercise in the scholarly and scientific who reads this book will come a long way toward understanding how people, in a general and specific manner (family, friends, people that should 'know better'), voted differently in this divisive election.
this thread is ****in retardedAnd it never dies!
this thread is ****in retarded
this thread is ****in retardedAnd it never dies!
this thread is ****in retardedAnd it never dies!
Neither does politics and people that like to talk about it.
this thread is ****in retardedAnd it never dies!
Neither does politics and people that like to talk about it.
Of course, but this is the longest running TP4 thread I have ever seen. Its a nice bit less charged now that the election process is over.
capping off a process that has been underway for decades.
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Unlimited mass migration, unlimited trade ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country, unconditional PC and acceptance of other religions without regard to the social tensions and conflicts, eventually it would have been too much to swallow for many people.
You may disagree with me, but plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.
Trump may have won with a minority of the popular vote, but he won with a huge majority in the electoral college. If you consider counties, this victory is even more lopsided: 2623 to 489 counties for Hillary most of which are urban and pretty small.
If the USA were to split into 2 countries now, the ‘deplorables’ would own over 90% of the continental USA and Hillary would have just a handful of coastal cities plus Chicago. Remove all the illegal immigrants plus the children of illegal immigrants who got free citizenships and the vote just because they were born here, and Hillary’s majority will vanish.
If you are born to illegal immigrants, you should not be given citizenship. It’s common sense. If I snuck onto your land, I am a trespasser. If I give birth to children while trespassing on your land, can my children gain inheritance rights to YOUR land?
If George Soros disagrees, I think the best thing the 'deplorables' can do is to send pregnant activists into Soros' mansion to give birth. Tah dah, now George Soros will have to pay for the kids' education and welfare and they gain inheritance rights. :thumb:
ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country
plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.
ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country
plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.
It may take several years to see, but Trump will do immeasurable damage to the working class in the US.
His words and his actions are diametric opposites.
His supporters have not recognized this yet. Ignore his words - scrutinize his actions.
ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country
plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.
It may take several years to see, but Trump will do immeasurable damage to the working class in the US.
His words and his actions are diametric opposites.
His supporters have not recognized this yet. Ignore his words - scrutinize his actions.
Are you willing to admit you were wrong if he proves otherwise?
Are you willing to admit you were wrong if he proves otherwise?
Are you willing to admit you were wrong if he proves otherwise?
I am always willing to admit that I was wrong if there is legitimate evidence to demonstrate it.
That is why the scientific method is essential to the progress of civilization.
I am always willing to admit that I was wrong if there is legitimate evidence to demonstrate it.
every political / economic statement you've made on Geekhack has been proven wrong..
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
I am always willing to admit that I was wrong if there is legitimate evidence to demonstrate it.
every political / economic statement you've made on Geekhack has been proven wrong..
As always, your statements are devoid of evidence.
My objection was that fohat did not specify that Saudi Arabia supplied oil to America. I would like to think that America is concerned enough about the rest of the world to be extra considerate of Saudi Arabia for all the reasons you just specified.
I did not specify "to America" and I don't think that the US is concerned enough about the rest of the world for its (the world's) own sake as it is for how global conditions affect the US.
In the grand scheme..
Trump will be good for HUMANITY..
Simply because he brings a great deal of shakeup to the status quo..
It's really not about policy or the sum you measure... It's about awakening..
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
do you think that's the way it should be?
How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?
I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???
do you think that's the way it should be?
No point in feeding the troll. You will just get an ever-increasing avalanche of amoral Chinese psycho-babble.
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?
I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???
How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?
I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???
I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding. Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions. Funding = Tax payer dollars. Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure. Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions. The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little. It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US?
People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control. Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making. This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe where a condom or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that.
How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?
I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???
I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding. Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions. Funding = Tax payer dollars. Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure. Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions. The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little. It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US?
People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control. Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making. This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that.
How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?
I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???
I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding. Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions. Funding = Tax payer dollars. Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure. Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions. The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little. It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US?
People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control. Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making. This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that.
Apparently you usually stay out of *all* threads apparently. This is a hell-of-a-first post. And you might (*might*) have an intellectual argument in there if the people who fight for defunding/banning/obstructing access to abortions weren't *also* working hard at fighting aforementioned education and access to prophylatics. Thus, this ends up as a thinly veiled argument to make sure that women are kept under control by any means necessary.
How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?
I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???
I usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding. Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions. Funding = Tax payer dollars. Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure. Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions. The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little. It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US?
People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control. Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making. This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that.
Apparently you usually stay out of *all* threads. This is a hell-of-a-first post. And you might (*might*) have an intellectual argument in there if the people who fight for defunding/banning/obstructing access to abortions weren't *also* working hard at fighting aforementioned education and access to prophylatics. Thus, this ends up as a thinly veiled argument to make sure that women are kept under control by any means necessary.
Why is US tax payers problem to fund all of that?? How many other countries contribute to this fund? The argument still stands, why should US tax dollars go to fund international happy hour? Who helps the US tax payers? I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost? I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one. Funny thing is people is looking for any reason to hate this man, the funny thing is the this act was put in place long before his time by Reagan (1973) and has been put back in and out by each office change since than. For people that want to pay for abortions for international couples please do, nothing stops them from donating. Funny how so many in the US go hungry, go without any help while barely making wages to keep food on there table for there family but as a country we aren't worried about that we are worried about international happy hour and funding the aftermath of it.
Why is US tax payers problem to fund all of that?? How many other countries contribute to this fund? The argument still stands, why should US tax dollars go to fund international happy hour? Who helps the US tax payers? I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost? I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one. Funny thing is people is looking for any reason to hate this man, the funny thing is the this act was put in place long before his time by Reagan (1973) and has been put back in and out by each office change since than. For people that want to pay for abortions for international couples please do, nothing stops them from donating. Funny how so many in the US go hungry, go without any help while barely making wages to keep food on there table for there family but as a country we aren't worried about that we are worried about international happy hour and funding the aftermath of it.
Your first post is a discussion.
You're just picking fights now.. hahahaha..
I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost? I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.
Why is US tax payers problem to fund all of that?? How many other countries contribute to this fund? The argument still stands, why should US tax dollars go to fund international happy hour? Who helps the US tax payers? I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost? I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one. Funny thing is people is looking for any reason to hate this man, the funny thing is the this act was put in place long before his time by Reagan (1973) and has been put back in and out by each office change since than. For people that want to pay for abortions for international couples please do, nothing stops them from donating. Funny how so many in the US go hungry, go without any help while barely making wages to keep food on there table for there family but as a country we aren't worried about that we are worried about international happy hour and funding the aftermath of it.
Your first post is a discussion.
You're just picking fights now.. hahahaha..
Sorry didn't mean for it to be good sir and I really don't mean to single out the other gentleman. My point is this act was put in place I do understand the UN does works with organizations to help population control. My point is only as adults we should understand for each action there is a a consequence. Cause and affect. Provide help to those that truly need it but murdering babies because the adults do understand the consequence to there actions is needless. Not meaning to pick a fight but as a working class guy with a family I am sick of everyone else living off of our hard earned tax dollars while the rest of us do the best we can and live and pay for our consequences.
Sorry for the horrible spelling and grammar my goodness this screen protector is horrible on my phone lol
I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost? I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.
I think you will find lots of us who want to ensure access for all Americans to a full range of medical care (which includes prophylactics, emergency prophylactics, and abortion) that is efficient and covered by the collective wealth of our country (I.e. Taxes) so no one has to bear the burden of onerous costs to get the care they need. You just might not find them with an R attached to their name. Hope your kiddo is doing well.
As far as the world goes, I think our modest investment pays off, as peace and prosperity in the world is great for our prosperity. How much that investment should be is always up for debate, but I don't think any rational person puts the correct amount at zero.
I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost? I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.
I think you will find lots of us who want to ensure access for all Americans to a full range of medical care (which includes prophylactics, emergency prophylactics, and abortion) that is efficient and covered by the collective wealth of our country (I.e. Taxes) so no one has to bear the burden of onerous costs to get the care they need. You just might not find them with an R attached to their name. Hope your kiddo is doing well.
As far as the world goes, I think our modest investment pays off, as peace and prosperity in the world is great for our prosperity. How much that investment should be is always up for debate, but I don't think any rational person puts the correct amount at zero.
Well.. ok... but as you've said.. it's an investment.. foreign aid is not aid.. it's a business venture/ incentive..
So, in that way, the nation enters the battle ground..
It's a fight ..
I haven't seen anyone chiming in to help any tax payers with child birth cost? I didn't see any organizations/individuals chiming in when my child was in the NICU for almost a month, not a single one.
I think you will find lots of us who want to ensure access for all Americans to a full range of medical care (which includes prophylactics, emergency prophylactics, and abortion) that is efficient and covered by the collective wealth of our country (I.e. Taxes) so no one has to bear the burden of onerous costs to get the care they need. You just might not find them with an R attached to their name. Hope your kiddo is doing well.
As far as the world goes, I think our modest investment pays off, as peace and prosperity in the world is great for our prosperity. How much that investment should be is always up for debate, but I don't think any rational person puts the correct amount at zero.
Well.. ok... but as you've said.. it's an investment.. foreign aid is not aid.. it's a business venture/ incentive..
So, in that way, the nation enters the battle ground..
It's a fight ..
I don't think it's a competition. But geek hack, OT, and a TP thread isn't really where I want to dive deep on macroeconomic theory.
Abortion is your right.. You own your body, FINE, but you'll probably get it done one way or another.. it's really not that hard a physical task to accomplish.. so the LAW has little to do with practical applications
If we have extremely efficient system to facilitate the task, it would only further promotes inconsequential pleasure seeking, WHICH is GENERALLY Not good for society..
How does limiting abortions and ignoring climate change benefit humanity?
I don't see how you can justify either of those things? Even being as totally dense as you are? Usually I'm very tolerant of what you say tp, but I cannot see how you can possibly think that either of those things are good for anybody???MoreI usually stay out of stupid threads like this that become pointless but please do yourself some reading before responding. Trump NEVER limited abortion his executive order states US Funding for international family preparation can not go towards abortions or organizations that fund or are active in abortions. Funding = Tax payer dollars. Ask me NO i don't think my tax money that I pay dearly each year should go for international abortions, it needs to go back into rebuilding the US infrastructure. Saying tax payers money will not go to abortions is not limiting it is telling people/countries to pay for their own abortions. The US gives 600million for funding of international family preparation and supplies think about that number for a little. It is more than most of on this forum combined will make in a life time that goes to help international families why who helps us in the US?
People have lost sight abortion is not a form of birth control, that is the problem we have people using abortion as a form of birth control. Maybe people should learn what causes child birth and maybe look into doing something else with there past time instead of baby making. This is the problem killing a child because the parents didn't know how to say maybe wear a condom (before you say it they can't afford protection than it goes further to say maybe they shouldn't be doing it, I didn't go Ferrari shopping because why I can't afford it) or maybe we should just watch a movie is murdering a child..... Abortion for a rape victim or a mentally ill person is a completely different issue and case all together tho I will say that.
Abortion is your right.. You own your body, FINE, but you'll probably get it done one way or another.. it's really not that hard a physical task to accomplish.. so the LAW has little to do with practical applications
If we have extremely efficient system to facilitate the task, it would only further promotes inconsequential pleasure seeking, WHICH is GENERALLY Not good for society..
Wanting an abortion is not due to drug taking or "pleasure seeking". Birth control does fail, vasectomies do fail. For some of these people, there is no other option, other than abortion. Nobody WANTS to get an abortion. It's not like; aaaah, if I get pregnant I will just get an abortion. It is a horrendous and traumatic experience. If abortion was illegal, these people would still get abortions. And a great many more people would die due to the lack of regulation or expertise.
I don't think it's a competition. But geek hack, OT, and a TP thread isn't really where I want to dive deep on macroeconomic theory.
I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Unlimited mass migration, unlimited trade ignoring the welfare of the working class in one's own country, unconditional PC and acceptance of other religions without regard to the social tensions and conflicts, eventually it would have been too much to swallow for many people.
You may disagree with me, but plenty of people agree with me and that’s why Trump has considerable support despite his many flaws.
Trump may have won with a minority of the popular vote, but he won with a huge majority in the electoral college. If you consider counties, this victory is even more lopsided: 2623 to 489 counties for Hillary most of which are urban and pretty small.
If the USA were to split into 2 countries now, the ‘deplorables’ would own over 90% of the continental USA and Hillary would have just a handful of coastal cities plus Chicago. Remove all the illegal immigrants plus the children of illegal immigrants who got free citizenships and the vote just because they were born here, and Hillary’s majority will vanish.
If you are born to illegal immigrants, you should not be given citizenship. It’s common sense. If I snuck onto your land, I am a trespasser. If I give birth to children while trespassing on your land, can my children gain inheritance rights to YOUR land?
If George Soros disagrees, I think the best thing the 'deplorables' can do is to send pregnant activists into Soros' mansion to give birth. Tah dah, now George Soros will have to pay for the kids' education and welfare and they gain inheritance rights. :thumb:
Hey dantan, is what is happening in South Dakota par of your "rebalancing"? The people (mostly republican, white, low-ish education levels) put an anti-corruption bill on the ballot, passed it, and the state legislature just called for emergency procedures to be able to eliminate it. You can read about it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/24/south-dakota-republicans-are-about-to-get-rid-of-the-states-first-independent-ethics-commission/?utm_term=.d905051a86fa This won't the the last time in the coming years where lawmakers will fight to gut all of our voting rights and powers.
There's a word for when a single party system that rules from the top, ruthlessly and quickly, for the interest of the few under the guise of doing what's best for the nation because others can't be trusted. And it's not "rebalancing"
And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
there are many ways on which you can attack Trump. But liberals are getting all emotional and behaving deplorably and attacking in meaningless ways.
there are many ways on which you can attack Trump. But liberals are getting all emotional and behaving deplorably and attacking in meaningless ways.
My attacks on Trump revolve around core issues, and his demonstrable incompetence and personal problems are contributive but ancillary.
- Assaults on fundamental American principles such as freedom of speech, press, religion, and assembly.
- Conflicts of interest throughout his administration which leave them beholden to specific entities rather than to will of the American people.
- Nominations of incompetent candidates to high positions based on criteria other than their technical qualifications.
- His apparent willingness to renege on this country's obligations around the world, and his disregard for the rule of law in general.
Sorry didn't mean for it to be good sir and I really don't mean to single out the other gentleman. My point is this act was put in place I do understand the UN does works with organizations to help population control. My point is only as adults we should understand for each action there is a a consequence. Cause and affect. Provide help to those that truly need it but murdering babies because the adults do understand the consequence to there actions is needless. Not meaning to pick a fight but as a working class guy with a family I am sick of everyone else living off of our hard earned tax dollars while the rest of us do the best we can and live and pay for our consequences.
I don’t see why taxpayer money should go towards funding abortion if significant numbers of people are strongly opposed to it. Trump hasn’t outlawed abortion, nor should it be outlawed. Just don’t use other people’s money to pay for something that ultimately you are responsible for.
You're completely evading the question. Do you think the world should be ruled by people who, as you mentioned, are so sick with the lust for power that the only thing that matters to them is their own advancement? By people who will use minorities as scapegoats to further their agenda, and those who suppress political opposition to create a fascist dictatorship state?And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people.. that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..
The insatiable drive (appetite) for power, to the point of sickness..
Think about how many people are in your path... Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
So let's hear some thoughts on the USA trading California to Mexico
So let's hear some thoughts on the USA trading California to Mexico
Don't be ridiculous. California should annex Mexico and become the California Republic again. California's GDP is twice as large as Mexico's.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article83780667.html (http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article83780667.html)
You're completely evading the question. Do you think the world should be ruled by people who, as you mentioned, are so sick with the lust for power that the only thing that matters to them is their own advancement? By people who will use minorities as scapegoats to further their agenda, and those who suppress political opposition to create a fascist dictatorship state?And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people.. that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..
The insatiable drive (appetite) for power, to the point of sickness..
Think about how many people are in your path... Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
And let me guess, we can no longer afford to let communists sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids, either? :pYou're completely evading the question. Do you think the world should be ruled by people who, as you mentioned, are so sick with the lust for power that the only thing that matters to them is their own advancement? By people who will use minorities as scapegoats to further their agenda, and those who suppress political opposition to create a fascist dictatorship state?And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people.. that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..
The insatiable drive (appetite) for power, to the point of sickness..
Think about how many people are in your path... Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
I gave my answer.. You chose to not comprehend it.. hahahaha
Tp4 believes the world should be ran on a large mainframe, Only machines can make the objective decisions we need based on big-data.
As for the Humans.. My answer to that was simply, There is NO OTHER WAY to organize humans besides this pyramidal model of servitude..
In the human system, you're slaving one processor to merely an equally capable processor.. The only thing holding all this together is this veil of money/power which says, processor 1 came after processor 0, therefore do what processor 0 says..
Did anyone else catch Ashley Judd's recitation at the Women's event last week?
I should first say that I like to be gross at times.I love gross jokes; what can I say, I'm a guy. I must say however that Ashley Judd was able to do something that decades of foul mouthed comedians and worldly sailors couldn't. Her speech made me feel like puking. In her defense, she brought awareness to the fact that tampons are taxable ( I will gladly support the effort to make them tax exempt), but anything else that she was trying to say was lost in a vulgar stream of profane and hateful imagery. I know that Trump is partially to blame for lowering the bar of public discourse but just like it is inexcusable for Trump, so is it for anyone. I fear that men born straight will seek alternatives to women after hearing her graphic descriptions! I can only hope that the women cheering her on will be surprised and a little ashamed when they read a transcript of what she actually said.
On another note, I am also perplexed by not only her performance but also Meryl Streep's a few weeks earlier. They are both fine actresses. In fact, Streep may be among the best in the last century. I'm a decent public speaker but a horrible actor. Acting is hard. That is why I'm surprised by the almost amateurish overacting both displayed. Judd seemed relaxed but Streep was almost breathless; as if she was uncomfortable with her words.
The colorful speeches combined with the p---yhats are, no doubt, an appropriate appetizer for the main course they will be cooking up in the years to come.
And let me guess, we can no longer afford to let communists sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids, either? :pYou're completely evading the question. Do you think the world should be ruled by people who, as you mentioned, are so sick with the lust for power that the only thing that matters to them is their own advancement? By people who will use minorities as scapegoats to further their agenda, and those who suppress political opposition to create a fascist dictatorship state?And even if that were true, do you think that's the way it should be?I don't think it is fascism. I think it is rebalancing.Yeah, that was basically Hitler's selling point, too.
The world had been going down the wrong path for too long, so eventually the old order would give way.
Every successful/ powerful political leader acts like hitler..
It's a HUMAN limitation.. there's no inherent EVIL to these people.. that's just the only way humans can claw to the top of other humans..
The insatiable drive (appetite) for power, to the point of sickness..
Think about how many people are in your path... Only a certain type of humans with that certain pathology can truly get ahead..
I gave my answer.. You chose to not comprehend it.. hahahaha
Tp4 believes the world should be ran on a large mainframe, Only machines can make the objective decisions we need based on big-data.
As for the Humans.. My answer to that was simply, There is NO OTHER WAY to organize humans besides this pyramidal model of servitude..
In the human system, you're slaving one processor to merely an equally capable processor.. The only thing holding all this together is this veil of money/power which says, processor 1 came after processor 0, therefore do what processor 0 says..
Did anyone else catch Ashley Judd's recitation at the Women's event last week?
I should first say that I like to be gross at times.I love gross jokes; what can I say, I'm a guy. I must say however that Ashley Judd was able to do something that decades of foul mouthed comedians and worldly sailors couldn't. Her speech made me feel like puking. In her defense, she brought awareness to the fact that tampons are taxable ( I will gladly support the effort to make them tax exempt), but anything else that she was trying to say was lost in a vulgar stream of profane and hateful imagery. I know that Trump is partially to blame for lowering the bar of public discourse but just like it is inexcusable for Trump, so is it for anyone. I fear that men born straight will seek alternatives to women after hearing her graphic descriptions! I can only hope that the women cheering her on will be surprised and a little ashamed when they read a transcript of what she actually said.
On another note, I am also perplexed by not only her performance but also Meryl Streep's a few weeks earlier. They are both fine actresses. In fact, Streep may be among the best in the last century. I'm a decent public speaker but a horrible actor. Acting is hard. That is why I'm surprised by the almost amateurish overacting both displayed. Judd seemed relaxed but Streep was almost breathless; as if she was uncomfortable with her words.
The colorful speeches combined with the p---yhats are, no doubt, an appropriate appetizer for the main course they will be cooking up in the years to come.