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geekhack Marketplace => Group Buys and Preorders => Topic started by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 10 April 2018, 11:54:03

Title: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (95% shipped)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 10 April 2018, 11:54:03
Hi everyone,

after a long IC phase (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92403.350) I'm finally starting the GroupBuy for my custom case. I don't want to write a lot about concept, construction, design and features, since I already did this quite extensively in the IC opening post and throughout the discussion there. I'll summarize, do some c&p and add what's necessary.


2019.08.08: tracking numbers sent out via email (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2795937#msg2795937)

2019.08.07: shipping started (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2795467#msg2795467)

2019.05.09: about address change (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2760956#msg2760956)

2019.05.03: remaining stock available (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2758209#msg2758209)

2019.05.03: proceed as planned - sorting, packing, shipping (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2758206#msg2758206)

2019.05.01: Quality control (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2757214#msg2757214)

2019.04.19: PARTS ARRIVED! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2754085#msg2754085)

2019.02.20: another delay (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2726255#msg2726255)

2018.10.22: Looking good, three little updates here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2671788#msg2671788)

2018.10.13: making up for the missing ones on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9np9l4/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_keyboard_case/)

2018.10.08: 60WKL & 75 samples arrived, see teaser pics here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2667344#msg2667344) and boardwalk version support announced (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2667347#msg2667347)

2018.09.11: payment phase extended until beginning of Oktober in order to to give more to compensate for those who don't pay. Awaiting 60WKL & 75 samples, they should help to convince a few more to join and get to the expected number.

2018.09.06: payment status update, many still missing, link to post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2656490#msg2656490).

2018.08.07: participants should check their spam folder. info email was sent out a few days ago. Invoices are out now. Orders are still accepted until the end of payment phase, beginning of September.


TL;DR

This is a GB for a high profile, top-mount, custom keyboard case. It is made of thick, bent aluminium. The surface is bead blasted and black anodized. The plate is black galvanized steel. You can choose between different 60% versions (Standard, Winkeyless, HHKB and YAS) as well as a 65% and a 75% version. You just get the case, plate and accessories like screws but no PCB (except for the YAS version, there you can order the case with the PCB if you like). All popular 60%, 65% and 75% PCBs are supported. It is made in Germany. Shipping world wide.

Features:
SKBXX GB ORDER FORM (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScm5HHKk66IfP2dMR-G4AH740fqWBmKWF0kwHICjEMZzszl1A/viewform?usp=sf_link)

(https://i.imgur.com/igXMvl2.png) (https://imgur.com/R050ohF.jpg) (https://imgur.com/D7H77nc.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/4lO0jVP.png) (https://i.imgur.com/uFYuTMH.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9lxpoJ9.png)

More pictures and video:
1st sample build log at Imgur (https://imgur.com/a/5wfjv)
2nd sample build log at Imgur (https://imgur.com/a/70J4e)
3rd sample build log at Imgur (https://imgur.com/a/AY27k)
SKB indoors (https://imgur.com/a/wa84Q)
SKB outdoors (https://imgur.com/a/8f3bg)
SKB typing demonstration on youtube (https://youtu.be/8lACoWp_oIU)
illustrations of the different versions (https://imgur.com/a/VO1tlX0)
renderings of the SKB family (https://imgur.com/a/Tw6kH5G)
renderings and illustrations of the updated version (https://imgur.com/a/oEzCQJj)
pictures of the SKB60-YAS sample (https://imgur.com/a/pkzeUhL)
pictures of the final samples (https://imgur.com/a/RJyfwf4)


About this case
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You can find a lot of custom keyboard cases here. They are CNC milled, which is awesome but quite expensive as well. I wanted to provide an alternative that gives you all the benefits of a solid aluminium keyboard but for a considerably lower price. So instead of milling the parts of the keyboard from a block, I decided to go for laser cutting and bending thick sheets.

The design is simple. The decision for a material thickness of 3mm 2mm in combination with the plate mounting method and the bolts piercing through the frame lead to a pretty wide frame. The sides overlapping at the edges is a deliberate choice which should emphasize on the method of folding, rather then trying to hide it. It also exposes the thickness of the material. Some of you described it as "brutalist", "utilitarian" or "industrial" - all undeniable true in some way.

I like to view it as a robust and reliable, everyday tool with a focus on typing experience and ergonomics.

I want to point out a few things I had in mind when designing this case:
  • At first, I wanted it to be a simple implementation of a top-mount case, cause IMHO top-mount is best-mount :)
  • Secondly, the first and lowest or "initial" key row should be as low as possible. This is illustrated in one of the pictures down below.
  • Thirdly, height adjustability. We prefer our keyboard at a certain angle but not everybody likes the same. So I wanted height adjustability to be an integral part of the design. You can choose between different angles: 6, 8, 10, 12 and 14 degrees.
  • Though the first prototype wasn't a high profile case, the initial feedback I got, plus the IC made it obvious, that it would have to be a high profile case. After making that decision, I wanted it to be a "really" high profile case, much like old keyboards. This means the bezel doesn't level with the lower edge of a cherry-profile keycap, instead it exceeds it by roughly 2mm (1,9mm measured in CAD). In other words, keycaps sink 3 mm deep into the frame.
  • No branding, nowhere, nothing.
[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

You can find much more information about the whole process and how we got here, by taking a look at the IC thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92403.350).


PCBs, plates and layouts
Any of the popular PCBs with the USB port on the left side will fit. Don't bother about screw-hole positions on the PCB, this is totally irrelevant in this case because it is a top-mount construction, not a tray-mount.

For the 60% there is plate A that supports most popular layouts including split spacebar. The YAS PCB gets its own plate. 65% 75% each have one plate, both support split spacebar as well.

Especially providing an option for the YAS62 - a project that I really like (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0) - was important to me. I have two of these PCBs and can't wait to finally put them to use. Silentreader still has some PCBs left that you can get, just PM him. The YAS PCBs will be sent to me. In the order form you have the option to add the YAS PCB to your order to get it from me together with the case. Price is 37€.

The plate does not support switch-top removal or alps switches. Yes, I probably could have convinced some more by offering those, but I made this decision because I wanted the plate to have as much mass as possible and the switches to fit tightly. Just lube your switches before you put them in ;)
All plates are ANSI/ISO unified and only support Cherry PCB mount stabilizers.

UPDATE:
I have added another plate option to choose from. Now SKB60 is available with an ortholinear plate, which support the XD75 PCB (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/-/32831044551.html?spm=a2g0x.10010108.1000023.5.37ba4d4dlaJzIT) for example.

UPDATE 2:
Small plate updates regarding split spacebar support (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2608237#msg2608237). SKB65 now available as well. Dropped one layout -> YAS now has it's own, dedicated plate (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2608244#msg2608244).

UPDATE 3:
BOARDWALK support added. Two different plates for Boardwalk, see pictures below and linked album here (https://imgur.com/a/7xaVgR5). Boardwalk options added to the order form.

(https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png) (https://i.imgur.com/VlOErmm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/27eXAqq.png) (https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png) (https://i.imgur.com/aZPzWu3.png) (https://i.imgur.com/GejXbzz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/AgR5KLV.png)


Dimensions and weight
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SKB60:
Width: 313 mm
Depth: 123 mm
Height (center point of keycap top at lowest row): ~ 26 mm
Height (rear edge at 6 degree): 31 mm
Height (rear edge at 14 degree): 45 mm
Weight (complete build): 0.85 kg

SKB75:
Width: 332 mm
Depth: 142 mm
Height (center point of keycap top at lowest row): ~ 26 mm
Height (rear edge at 6 degree): 33 mm
Height (rear edge at 14 degree): 50 mm
Weight (complete build, estimate): ~ 1.2 kg

(all height values measured without rubber feet)


What you get
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Top & Bottom:
  • 2 mm thick aluminium
  • LASER cut and bent
  • bead blasted and anodized, black
Plate:
  • 1.5 mm thick steel
  • galvanized black
Accessories:
  • 12x button head screws (M3x12)
  • 12x low head screws (M3x12)
  • 12x nuts
  • 8x  standoffs
  • 4x  washers
  • 4x  rubber feet
[attach=13]


Nit-picking
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I think most of the following is obvious, but I think it is important to be 100 percent honest about all details:
  • Height adjustment is not quick like flipp out feet. You have to unscrew two and loosen two more screws on the sides in order to adjust the height.
  • There are a few mini-USB cables that have a pretty bulky head. The top left screw is positioned right above the USB port and if you happen to have a bulky plug, then it might interfere slightly with the screw inside the case. Not a big deal, I just sliced a bit off the plug and then it did fit perfectly fine. I now this since the first prototype but I didn't want to change the screw position, since I think it's perfect and slicing isn't a big deal. Some cables fit right away, some need the slice.
  • The position of the USB port differs slightly on some PCBs. Depending on your PCB, the plug might not be perfectly centered in the cutout, but of course it will always fit.
  • There are PCBs like the EEPW84 (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/xd84-75-eepw84-Custom-Mechanical-Keyboard-Supports-TKG-TOOLS-Underglow-RGB-PCB-programmed-kle-Kimera-core/32819790747.html) which have a little controller board (Kimera core) soldered on in the lowest row. This component might touch the bottom of the case. Because of that a PCB like this might not work at the lowest 6 degree angle (probably works but I can't confirm). Angles above 6 degree won't be any problem.


Made in Germany
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I live in Germany and here we have plenty of companies that specialize in this kind of metalworking. I have designed parts which are laser cut and bent before and was always very satisfied with the result I got from the local companies.
I trust them, communication is smooth and they deliver quickly.


Pricing
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at 40+ units:
  • all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 148€
  • the 75% (SKB75) version costs 168€
at 70+ units:
  • all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 136€
  • the 75% (SKB75) version costs 154€
at 100+ units:
  • all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 128€
  • the 65% (SKB65) version costs 136€
  • the 75% (SKB75) version costs 145€
at 170+ units:
  • all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 115 Euro
  • the 65% (SKB65) version costs 125 Euro
  • the 75% (SKB75) version costs 135 Euro
PayPal fee and shipping will be added
MOQ = 40 (all versions have reached MOQ, they will all be made!)


Shipping
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I will ship with DHL. Here you can find a detailed price table for international shipping from Germany (https://www.dhl.de/de/privatkunden/preise/preise-international.html).


Destination  Option 1  Option 2
Germany  6€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 500€
  7€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
Europe
(including the UK)
  15€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 500€
  17€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
International
(most countries including USA)
  21€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 50€
  38€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
International
(some countries like Australia and Japan)
  21€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 50€
  47€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€

UPDATE, added new shipping option:
15€ international shipping, fits up to one SKB, tracked, insured up to 100€



Timeline

(grey = past / red = present / blue = future)


Updates

Renderings
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I want to make sure you know exactly what you are getting. Renderings can be misleading and I wanted you to be able to make a decision based on the real case. So I decided to get samples made. That pushed the GB back another two months but I thought it was worth it.

SKB60 standard and HHKB versions were made. Samples for all the different versions would have been too expensive for me. So there are renderings for some versions, but the impression you get from the samples translate to the rest.

You can finde much more renderings in the IC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92403.350).

Sorry just lost my patience uploading pictures. I'll provide the renderings via external source link later. Most are shown in the IC already, just a few new ones.

Here (https://imgur.com/a/Tw6kH5G) you can find new renderings.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Signature on Tue, 10 April 2018, 15:56:00
Approved
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: hansichen on Tue, 10 April 2018, 15:56:38
Finally  ;D  Joined!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 10 April 2018, 15:59:18
Already joined through deskthority  :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 10 April 2018, 16:12:00
Finally! Sorry it took so long. Still so much I wanted to get arranged before GB start, like better pictures, another build with other switches and a typingvideo. But there is always something missing. I'll add all this, step by step.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: vtachkov on Tue, 10 April 2018, 16:31:41
Woohoo, I've been waiting for this one. In for at least the YAS.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: wodan on Tue, 10 April 2018, 16:49:33
Very excited for this. Great first custom for people who are looking to try different angles and still have a solid construction
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: apejonk on Tue, 10 April 2018, 16:57:20
Finally  :D Really excited for this!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: thokir on Tue, 10 April 2018, 17:00:50
Very excited for this. Great first custom for people who are looking to try different angles and still have a solid construction
How many different versions did you buy? :P
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: online on Tue, 10 April 2018, 17:13:33
Ordered! can't wait!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: futurecrime on Tue, 10 April 2018, 17:25:15
Made in Germany from bent metal. Only available in black. This has gotta be one of the coolest new boards I've seen in a while. Wish I had keyboard money right now. Good luck with GB!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 10 April 2018, 18:36:49
In for 60% WKL. Let's go!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 10 April 2018, 20:29:28
Very excited for my first "Gustom"  :D

I am in for one 75% case, and possibly more if you consider my request in the note section of the GB form!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 10 April 2018, 20:33:14
Ordered YAS 60%. This will be my first German custom keyboard. Very exciting! Can you please, give us a choice of flat/flush screws, different colours screws will be great? ... Oh, I see no flush screws.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 April 2018, 20:37:28
HIT ME WITH THAT SKB75!  :eek: :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: cheunjm on Tue, 10 April 2018, 21:00:28
I love how detailed and organized your post is. In for 60% HHKB!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: mudcakehoney on Tue, 10 April 2018, 21:33:23
I feel like I’m being super thick here but where is the link to join the gb?

I feel like I won’t be able to resist being in for both :0
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 10 April 2018, 21:36:47
I feel like I’m being super thick here but where is the link to join the gb?

I feel like I won’t be able to resist being in for both :0

"SKBXX GB ORDER FORM" at the top.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: mudcakehoney on Wed, 11 April 2018, 00:08:42
Ahh I can see it on my pc but in Tapatalk mobile app it doesnt show.

Cheers!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 11 April 2018, 01:00:54
have anybody got a confirmation of their submitted order form through email?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: RealLaugh on Wed, 11 April 2018, 01:24:41
edit

I see that each plate choice comes with an SKB60 so please ignore this post
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: E_rik on Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:02:49
have anybody got a confirmation of their submitted order form through email?
I did not get a confirmation email.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: blacksimon on Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:20:41
I think this is really neat for EU boys looking for a solid cheaper custom, Well done. I hope you sell a bunch!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:35:00
have anybody got a confirmation of their submitted order form through email?

sorry, no confirmation emails, don't worry.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 03:40:01
edit

I see that each plate choice comes with an SKB60 so please ignore this post

yep, you just choose a kit, avoids confusion.

and about extra plates:
over on DT (https://deskthority.net/post408179.html#p408179) I was asked if it would be possible to order an extra plate. yes, possible, haven't thought about it jet. haven't jet figured out pricing for an extra plate. If I have, everyone will have a chance to decide on this later, so don't worry for now.

btw, we are at 36 orders now :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PollandAkuma on Wed, 11 April 2018, 05:20:06
Joined for a HHKB plate A! Dis gon be gud
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: RealLaugh on Wed, 11 April 2018, 06:53:38
Joined for a HHKB plate A! Dis gon be gud

yep, in for a standard 60% plate/case

on our way to reach that 40 moq already  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Draic on Wed, 11 April 2018, 06:55:52
HHKB with split spacebar is my plan.

The survey does not send out a confirmation email, or does it? Have not received anything to check my answers once more ;_;
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 09:24:58
The survey does not send out a confirmation email, or does it? Have not received anything to check my answers once more ;_;

Sorry, no confirmation email. Only later found out, that a plugin exists for that.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: r5d on Wed, 11 April 2018, 09:55:27
Flippin' awesome, joined!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: TolliverGroat on Wed, 11 April 2018, 10:48:51
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 11 April 2018, 11:08:43
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

Perhaps a proxy or two will do the trick to save on some shipping fee for US buyers?
But the question is who can be a reliable proxy and is also willing to go through the trouble.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 11 April 2018, 11:29:59
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

Perhaps a proxy or two will do the trick to save on some shipping fee for US buyers?
But the question is who can be a reliable proxy and is also willing to go through the trouble.

I'm actually painfully ignorant on what it takes to be a regional proxy. Basically a verified local point of contact to receive the bulk shipment (lower rate from DE to US) and then coordinate individual shipping within CONUS?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 11 April 2018, 11:33:46
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

Perhaps a proxy or two will do the trick to save on some shipping fee for US buyers?
But the question is who can be a reliable proxy and is also willing to go through the trouble.

I'm actually painfully ignorant on what it takes to be a regional proxy. Basically a verified local point of contact to receive the bulk shipment (lower rate from DE to US) and then coordinate individual shipping within CONUS?

pretty much, yeah
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Acereconkeys on Wed, 11 April 2018, 12:31:25
This is really awesome but I share the feeling with a commentor above about shipping price. I will probably come in for a 60% at 100 but before that paying almost 30% of the boards cost in shipping feels pretty awful. Really awesome board though I like the visible screws.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PollandAkuma on Wed, 11 April 2018, 13:28:04
Maybe for the US a well-known company, such something like TheKeyCompany, could be used as proxy? An established "store" or a well-known member could do it, especially if they have before.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 11 April 2018, 14:30:32
Will have to see if any of the US based vendors end up getting in on the GB themselves personally, and see if we can bait/lure them into being a proxy. Isn't Donutcat a 75% lover? How do you summon people on GH (I originate from rmk so not brushed up on forum tricks).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: johntron25 on Wed, 11 April 2018, 15:39:35
I would love to join but 40EU for shipping prices me out.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:17:18
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

yes, shipping to the US isn't cheap. also the euro to dollar exchange rate has changed quite dramatically over the last year or so. before that it would have been a steal for US buyers. at the moment UK buyers are in a really nice position, shipping is not that expensive and the exchange rate is in their favor.

btw we are now at just over 50 orders
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:22:45
It's a shame the shipping to US is so expensive - at this rate, I'll only be able to get in at 100 MOQ. How often can we expect updates on MOQ?

yes, shipping to the US isn't cheap. also the euro to dollar exchange rate has changed quite dramatically over the last year or so. before that it would have been a steal for US buyers. at the moment UK buyers are in a really nice position, shipping is not that expensive and the exchange rate is in their favor.

btw we are now at just over 50 orders

Would you entertain the idea of a US proxy if there are enough orders?

Also, do the MOQs given include all layouts/sizes or is that MOQ per size/layout?

Glad this is getting a lot of traction so quickly!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:25:32
I'm actually painfully ignorant on what it takes to be a regional proxy. Basically a verified local point of contact to receive the bulk shipment (lower rate from DE to US) and then coordinate individual shipping within CONUS?

Maybe for the US a well-known company, such something like TheKeyCompany, could be used as proxy? An established "store" or a well-known member could do it, especially if they have before.

Perhaps a proxy or two will do the trick to save on some shipping fee for US buyers?
But the question is who can be a reliable proxy and is also willing to go through the trouble.

Will have to see if any of the US based vendors end up getting in on the GB themselves personally, and see if we can bait/lure them into being a proxy. Isn't Donutcat a 75% lover? How do you summon people on GH (I originate from rmk so not brushed up on forum tricks).

proxy shipping:
lets see if enough US orders come in. if it turns out to be a lot then a proxy makes sense but not for just a few orders.

a mecha vendor from the US as proxy:
well, same, lets see first if there is a critical mass of US orders. a vendor would be great of course cause trust and they know about shipping.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:30:22
Would you entertain the idea of a US proxy if there are enough orders?

Also, do the MOQs given include all layouts/sizes or is that MOQ per size/layout?

Glad this is getting a lot of traction so quickly!

yes, if orders are enough.

well, MOQ is said 40, i meant overall, but it would be a disaster for me. prices were supposed to be higher but i got scared before posting that after all the time, interest might have faded so I went as low as possible to make it happen. also I haven't mentioned that every single version needs to be produced at least 10 times (which is crazy low, anybody who has a clue knows I can't make no profit with that). it looks like we get at least 10 for all versions, let's hope it will get more over time. 50 overall for the first 24h is good I guess.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: ojrask on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:33:17
50 orders already. Nice! So, in essence, each layout/variation would require 10 orders to get any cases produced at all?

At this rate do you see the GB closing and invoicing beginning at the estimated time of 2018-04-26?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:39:30
50 orders already. Nice! So, in essence, each layout/variation would require 10 orders to get any cases produced at all?

At this rate do you see the GB closing and invoicing beginning at the estimated time of 2018-04-26?

Why close early just because MOQ met? It is literally the Minimum of Quantity, so wouldn't it be best for all involved to get highest numbers possible for max price breaks?

I misread the quoted post I was responding to... <shame>
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: kekstee on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:45:34
I think he's still planning to do an official reddit post with new pictures to make it count before it goes down the reddit drain :P
Maybe more people can jump on or eat the shipping once it reaches price breaks.

EU <> US is always super expensive unfortunately, but to be fair that's pretty much common for shipping keyboard size/weight parts anywhere around the globe.

@Zuology, that's the planend date. But it seems like there's some wiggle room.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:47:31
50 orders already. Nice! So, in essence, each layout/variation would require 10 orders to get any cases produced at all?

At this rate do you see the GB closing and invoicing beginning at the estimated time of 2018-04-26?

I really hope I get more. that's why I will continue to work on it to get more orders. a few more renderings showing some more layout possibilities, a third build with different switches, hq photos and typing-demo/video. then a reddit gb post as well. i know, was mentioned there already there but i will make one myself as soon as i have good photos. but I won't be able to do it this week.

EDIT:
kekstee just posted while i was writing this.
yes exactly!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:50:41
I think he's still planning to do an official reddit post with new pictures to make it count before it goes down the reddit drain :P
Maybe more people can jump on or eat the shipping once it reaches price breaks.

EU <> US is always super expensive unfortunately, but to be fair that's pretty much common for shipping keyboard size/weight parts anywhere around the globe.

@Zuology, that's the planend date. But it seems like there's some wiggle room.

I created some unofficial posts to link back to this official thread to spread the word over on rmk & mechmarket. There's been a fair amount of response and people saying they've bought in. FWIW I let PlastikSchnittstelle about the unofficial posts and he is ok with them until he puts together the full board presentation. I really want to see this GB succeed and more people is more orders and less cost for a great product that is different from the more traditional customs out of asia. I think the BYO-PCB thing is great, the adjustability is unique, and industrial look is uncommon. 
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:51:13
oh and also, over at DT someone asked for an ortho plate (https://deskthority.net/post408275.html#p408275).

please take a look if you are interested. might happen.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:54:09
I created some unofficial posts to link back to this official thread to spread the word over on rmk & mechmarket. There's been a fair amount of response and people saying they've bought in. FWIW I let PlastikSchnittstelle about the unofficial posts and he is ok with them until he puts together the full board presentation. I really want to see this GB succeed and more people is more orders and less cost for a great product that is different from the more traditional customs out of asia. I think the BYO-PCB thing is great, the adjustability is unique, and industrial look is uncommon.

yep, thanks a lot, this is a good solution as long i don't have the material I want to collect for an "official" reddit post.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:54:16
oh and also, over at DT someone asked for an ortho plate (https://deskthority.net/post408275.html#p408275).

please take a look if you are interested. might happen.

Ortho plate would be pretty straightforward to design and get cut in addition to existing layouts, I presume?

Edit: Just saw over on DT that you said
Quote
also regarding the swap-sockets. you can always get shorter standoffs for my SKB case. now the plate is hold by 5mm standoffs wich makes the caps sink in by 2mm. you can just use 4mm standoffs instead or even 3mm and you would certainly have no trouble with swap-socket-PCBs at any angle.

Does that mean we can just swap out the standoffs if we want to individually customize our setups with lower/higher mount with minimal effort (pending clearance from bottom of case)?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:57:12
Ortho plate would be pretty straightforward to design and get cut in addition to existing layouts, I presume?

exactly. so if at least 10 (preferably more) want it then it would be ok. but i'm tired now, will update the form with this option tomorrow.

also I forgot to mention:
you can have an extra plate if you want, just let me know about it in the comment section of the form. price is 30€. if you have already ordered and want an extra plate, just let me know here and i will note it.
someone over at DT asked for the extra plate option, I just hadn't anticipated that. I do use one for testing switches, just screwed longer standoffs on. turns out this is pretty useful to me and I hadn't expected the plate alone to be so solid, I guess this is due to the extra surface area it has on the sides.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: kmba on Wed, 11 April 2018, 17:19:04
$50 shipping to the US is pretty much average or even below average for keyboard coming from an independently run international group buy.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 17:33:25
$50 shipping to the US is pretty much average or even below average for keyboard coming from an independently run international group buy.

yes, I think it is. other custom cases are often more expensive to ship due to their higher weight (above 5kg).

if one is OK with it I could also send to the USA uninsured and without tracking by a DHL "Päckchen" for ~16€. at your own risk of course. possible cause the package will weigh less than 2kg.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Wed, 11 April 2018, 17:40:04
What about shipping cost if ordering 2 to the US? Depending on how that works out, I might be in for 2 - one YAS and one standard.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 17:56:15
What about shipping cost if ordering 2 to the US? Depending on how that works out, I might be in for 2 - one YAS and one standard.

2 are still the same ~40€. I could probably fit up to 4 into one package. size isn't a problem. only above 5kg it will be more expensive. the uninsured "päckchen" for ~16€ could maybe juuuust hold 2 (but only two 60, 75 would add up to over 2gk).

bedtime in germany. answer again tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Wed, 11 April 2018, 17:57:59
OK great, so ordering 2 means about 40 eur total, 20 eur each.

without tracking, 8eur each, 16eur total.

on DHL website, it's 37Eur to US. Is that correct? Or is it the flat 40?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: kim-kim on Wed, 11 April 2018, 18:04:10
oh and also, over at DT someone asked for an ortho plate (https://deskthority.net/post408275.html#p408275).

please take a look if you are interested. might happen.

I'm here only for SKB75RE, and yes, it's because many cases don't fit properly.

Maybe you can put this option to the form so we can see whether this option passes the MOQ or not  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 18:06:19
OK great, so ordering 2 means about 40 eur total, 20 eur each.

without tracking, 8eur each, 16eur total.

on DHL website, it's 37Eur to US. Is that correct? Or is it the flat 40?

right. 37€ is correct. i wrote ~40 cause i got to take packaging cost into account.

but I was too tired already. the complete 60% build weighs 1kg. so the parts only are even less of course. so even more would fit into a 40€ package, also more then 2 into the cheaper option.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 April 2018, 18:08:09
oh and also, over at DT someone asked for an ortho plate (https://deskthority.net/post408275.html#p408275).

please take a look if you are interested. might happen.

I'm here only for SKB75RE, and yes, it's because many cases don't fit properly.

Maybe you can put this option to the form so we can see whether this option passes the MOQ or not  ;D

yes, I'll do that tomorrow, for now I'm done, goodnight!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Wed, 11 April 2018, 19:49:04
Thanks mate!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PollandAkuma on Wed, 11 April 2018, 20:46:39
In addition to r/mk and r/mechmarket, don't forget to crosspost to r/mkuk!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Thu, 12 April 2018, 00:20:59
Also, out of all the layouts, the standard DZ60 layout isn’t shown. Which plate would be correct for the “normal” DZ60 layout?

1.25-1.25-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.25-1.25-1.25

It looks like plate A says the above layout would fit the GH60 PCB, but no mention of banana split or DZ60 with that layout.

See the standard bottom row here:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/files/1_03_abb48769-9486-44bd-a761-7cd39d7e1bda.jpg?v=1498974452

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 12 April 2018, 04:18:09
Also, out of all the layouts, the standard DZ60 layout isn’t shown. Which plate would be correct for the “normal” DZ60 layout?

1.25-1.25-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.25-1.25-1.25

It looks like plate A says the above layout would fit the GH60 PCB, but no mention of banana split or DZ60 with that layout.

See the standard bottom row here:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/files/1_03_abb48769-9486-44bd-a761-7cd39d7e1bda.jpg?v=1498974452

the mentioned PCBs are just a selection of common options. many more are possible. so yes, for "1.25-1.25-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.25-1.25-1.25" you take plate A and that works fine with the banana or DZ60 pcb.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 12 April 2018, 04:22:55
In addition to r/mk and r/mechmarket, don't forget to crosspost to r/mkuk!

I already have to manage DT and GH. I'd be very thankful if any of you adds to the post on reddit that Zuology started (or the other two subreddits), until I start an "official" GB post there.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 12 April 2018, 09:11:53

Edit: Just saw over on DT that you said
Quote
also regarding the swap-sockets. you can always get shorter standoffs for my SKB case. now the plate is hold by 5mm standoffs wich makes the caps sink in by 2mm. you can just use 4mm standoffs instead or even 3mm and you would certainly have no trouble with swap-socket-PCBs at any angle.

Does that mean we can just swap out the standoffs if we want to individually customize our setups with lower/higher mount with minimal effort (pending clearance from bottom of case)?

I edited this into a previous post, and don't know if it got missed. It sounds like the standoffs can be easily replaced by users with different sizes? I am wondering about how it would feel to mount the plate suspended with o-rings on both sides of the screw/standoff, making it almost like a hybrid gasket mount. To accommodate the extra space needed for the o-rings, I would potentially need shorter standoffs. Anyone tried something like this out before?

In addition to r/mk and r/mechmarket, don't forget to crosspost to r/mkuk!

I already have to manage DT and GH. I'd be very thankful if any of you adds to the post on reddit that Zuology started (or the other two subreddits), until I start an "official" GB post there.

If anyone wants me to modify/add to the posts I created over on reddit, please PM me there or let me know through here, and I will happily update those posts. Otherwise feel free to comment/hype the GB usual reddit style.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Anakey on Thu, 12 April 2018, 09:25:57
To accommodate the extra space needed for the o-rings, I would potentially need shorter standoffs. Anyone tried something like this out before?


would you just need longer screws rather then shorter standoffs?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 12 April 2018, 10:07:09
To accommodate the extra space needed for the o-rings, I would potentially need shorter standoffs. Anyone tried something like this out before?


would you just need longer screws rather then shorter standoffs?

If I wanted to keep same standoffs, plus the extra length needed for o-rings, then yes. However, this would change how deep the plate sits (switches/caps more recessed). I would get a shorter standoff to compensate for o-rings added length, and maintain original plate/switch depth.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 12 April 2018, 12:42:48
GB order link doesn’t work on mobile/Tapatalk ;______;
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 12 April 2018, 12:44:20
GB order link doesn’t work on mobile/Tapatalk ;______;

I believe another poster said that the GB order form link was hidden on mobile. Can you access it directly here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfck00yqTRs9U3AQNxV9sZ21PdrS6qyiWw3ef9NOHr-E72Ofw/viewform?usp=sf_link
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 12 April 2018, 12:48:15
GB order link doesn’t work on mobile/Tapatalk ;______;

I believe another poster said that the GB order form link was hidden on mobile. Can you access it directly here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfck00yqTRs9U3AQNxV9sZ21PdrS6qyiWw3ef9NOHr-E72Ofw/viewform?usp=sf_link

Thx man!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Acereconkeys on Thu, 12 April 2018, 14:51:24
Nice prototype, is there any chance you could record a typing test? I'm curious how the different case design would affect vibration/sound profile.

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 12 April 2018, 20:15:56
To accommodate the extra space needed for the o-rings, I would potentially need shorter standoffs. Anyone tried something like this out before?


would you just need longer screws rather then shorter standoffs?

If I wanted to keep same standoffs, plus the extra length needed for o-rings, then yes. However, this would change how deep the plate sits (switches/caps more recessed). I would get a shorter standoff to compensate for o-rings added length, and maintain original plate/switch depth.

first, sorry I had zero time today to keep you updated.
second, thanks to Zuology for helping with the discussion and the posting at reddit.

now the idea with the o-rings. I had thought about this as well but was hesitating to advertise this as optional dampening. I just wasn't sure if it works well. would be really interesting to see if it works well. like zuology mentioned, you would need a shorted standoff (like 4mm instead of the included 5mm) to fit the o-ring in between.

didn't post today cause i out all the time i had into making the third build. lubed gateron black switches with thick pbt caps on (from enjoyPBT). pictures tomorrow. then I'll look into the tapatalk/link problem as well.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 12 April 2018, 20:19:31
Nice prototype, is there any chance you could record a typing test? I'm curious how the different case design would affect vibration/sound profile.

absolutely! you will get the typing test video as promised. wanted to make the third build first in order to be able to compare mx-silent-blacks against normal mx-blacks. will do it tomorrow or over the weekend.

cause of the third build I didn't had the time to do the ortho-update. that means new renderings, as well, will also happen over the weekend.

AND: we are at exactly 60 orders at the moment.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Acereconkeys on Thu, 12 April 2018, 22:09:11
Nice prototype, is there any chance you could record a typing test? I'm curious how the different case design would affect vibration/sound profile.

absolutely! you will get the typing test video as promised. wanted to make the third build first in order to be able to compare mx-silent-blacks against normal mx-blacks. will do it tomorrow or over the weekend.

cause of the third build I didn't had the time to do the ortho-update. that means new renderings, as well, will also happen over the weekend.

AND: we are at exactly 60 orders at the moment.

Thanks for the reply take your time the IC is already awesome!

Congrats on the 60!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 13 April 2018, 07:14:52
To accommodate the extra space needed for the o-rings, I would potentially need shorter standoffs. Anyone tried something like this out before?


would you just need longer screws rather then shorter standoffs?

If I wanted to keep same standoffs, plus the extra length needed for o-rings, then yes. However, this would change how deep the plate sits (switches/caps more recessed). I would get a shorter standoff to compensate for o-rings added length, and maintain original plate/switch depth.

second, thanks to Zuology for helping with the discussion and the posting at reddit.

now the idea with the o-rings. I had thought about this as well but was hesitating to advertise this as optional dampening. I just wasn't sure if it works well. would be really interesting to see if it works well. like zuology mentioned, you would need a shorted standoff (like 4mm instead of the included 5mm) to fit the o-ring in between.


Happy to help, it's a good project that more people need to know about! Any breakdown on order quantities/MOQ for each case? I'm hopeful that you've already hit the 10/each minimum that you mentioned. I'm sure once you put up your official full GB post on rmk/reddit it will keep those numbers climbing. Between the two threads I posted over there, I saw at least 10 responses saying they were in for 1-2 each.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 13 April 2018, 08:30:28
3rd build (https://imgur.com/a/AY27k)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: thokir on Fri, 13 April 2018, 08:33:28
3rd build (https://imgur.com/a/AY27k)

****, I was looking forward to seeing a wkl build. rip.

Looks very nice though, I hope the wkl one will look as good as I hope it to do.
Seems like this GB is gonna get quite some orders in :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Data on Fri, 13 April 2018, 08:50:27
3rd build (https://imgur.com/a/AY27k)

It's a beautiful case.  So... industrial.  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: realxmlforce on Fri, 13 April 2018, 09:10:08
3rd build (https://imgur.com/a/AY27k)

About the second picture:
Is that about lubing the stems and the springs? The zip-bag looks like there is also lube in there.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: thokir on Fri, 13 April 2018, 09:12:47

Is that about lubing the stems and the springs? The zip-bag looks like there is also lube in there.
Yes, it is.
That's the easiest and most effective way to do it.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: realxmlforce on Fri, 13 April 2018, 09:21:16

Is that about lubing the stems and the springs? The zip-bag looks like there is also lube in there.
Yes, it is.
That's the easiest and most effective way to do it.

Ok TIL :D
Last time i used a brush...this seems indeed a lot easier!
Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 13 April 2018, 20:07:22
Nice prototype, is there any chance you could record a typing test? I'm curious how the different case design would affect vibration/sound profile.

Just saw on Top Clack that KingNestea said he recorded a typing test for PlastikSchnittstelle - guess a bunch of the keyboard elite were hanging out in Germany drinking   :D

They also shouted out the SKBxx GB, Wodan said it looks really good in person.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: kekstee on Sat, 14 April 2018, 07:39:12
Oh, bad news about those typing videos, he must have double tapped the recording button at some point and the phone was mounted at the lamp so you couldn't really see what's going on... :D
I guess he'll have to do it himself after all.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: jgjl on Sat, 14 April 2018, 07:46:24
The case would be very nice for my custom work-in-progress board.

Do you plan to provide plates for plate-mounted stabilizers and
hand-wired/pcb-less builds?
If not, is the case (without the plate of course) compatible with
with plate-mounted stabilizers and pcb-less builds?

After a closer look at the images: is the plate attached to the top
of the case? This would make the case already pcb-less plate compatible,
with the plate being the only missing thing...

This issue could be resolved by a GH60/Pock3r adapter. Since you have extra
space around the keys, this should be possible. If you provide the exact measurements
I will given it a shot :)

Cheers,

jgjl
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: online on Sat, 14 April 2018, 07:52:56
Joined few days ago. Didn't have confirmation email. Could you make a list of orders? So that I know I'm in. Don't wanna miss this awesome case! 


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: noobas4urus on Sat, 14 April 2018, 11:14:34
Any possibility of getting a bare, unanodized case?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: jgjl on Sat, 14 April 2018, 11:16:01
Any possibility of getting a bare, unanodized case?

+1
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 April 2018, 12:37:18
Oh, bad news about those typing videos, he must have double tapped the recording button at some point and the phone was mounted at the lamp so you couldn't really see what's going on... :D
I guess he'll have to do it himself after all.

Finally the typing demonstration. Why did it take me so long to do that? Three reasons tbo:
a) I'm super slow at typing, not nice for a typing demo video I thought.
b) I don't have nice hands and fingers :(
c) My office room has blank concrete floor and ceiling and a lot of windows/glas, which makes it a suboptimal soundstage for this.

That's why I had hoped to finde someone else and another location. I got that opportunity yesterday at a small meetup. But I totally screwed up, accidentally I didn't record the typing but instead in between the few typing tries. Was also wrong orientation and chatting in the back. Only realized this today.

So now you do get my slow typing, ugly hands and the suboptimal soundstage, here is the youtube video (https://youtu.be/8lACoWp_oIU).

Board with RGB-mods:
- Gateron blacks, lubed
- EnjoyPBT keycaps
- angle at 10 degree

Board with HHKB layout:
- Cherry MX silent blacks, lubed
- old cherry HAD keycaps with HADapter
- angle at 12 degree

and sorry, only tomorrow or maybe later time for more updates.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 April 2018, 16:18:15
Nice prototype, is there any chance you could record a typing test? I'm curious how the different case design would affect vibration/sound profile.

Just saw on Top Clack that KingNestea said he recorded a typing test for PlastikSchnittstelle - guess a bunch of the keyboard elite were hanging out in Germany drinking   :D

They also shouted out the SKBxx GB, Wodan said it looks really good in person.

I was really happy to get the chance and join this nini-meetup at wodan's place! that stream started very late at german time, I left shortly before they started. in hindsight this was totally stupid, should have stayed an hour longer  :-[

anyway, thanks to wodan for mentioning the SKB60  :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 April 2018, 16:21:52
Any possibility of getting a bare, unanodized case?

+1

yes, i can arrange that. but you do want the bead blasting, right?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 April 2018, 16:28:52
Joined few days ago. Didn't have confirmation email. Could you make a list of orders? So that I know I'm in. Don't wanna miss this awesome case! 


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sorry, didn't know there is a plugin for email confirmation, google forms can't do that out-of-the-box. you should be good, but I can't really tell, couse here you are just shown as "online" can't see any real username that i could search for in the form entries.

list of orders with the usernames in the start post - yes, this will come, first i plan to include the ortholinear option.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 April 2018, 16:36:56
The case would be very nice for my custom work-in-progress board.

Do you plan to provide plates for plate-mounted stabilizers and
hand-wired/pcb-less builds?
If not, is the case (without the plate of course) compatible with
with plate-mounted stabilizers and pcb-less builds?

After a closer look at the images: is the plate attached to the top
of the case? This would make the case already pcb-less plate compatible,
with the plate being the only missing thing...

This issue could be resolved by a GH60/Pock3r adapter. Since you have extra
space around the keys, this should be possible. If you provide the exact measurements
I will given it a shot :)

Cheers,

jgjl

yes, it is a top-mount construction.
yes, only PCB-mount stabilizers are supported.

Sorry, I don't understand the rest of your question  :(
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 April 2018, 16:43:35

Is that about lubing the stems and the springs? The zip-bag looks like there is also lube in there.
Yes, it is.
That's the easiest and most effective way to do it.

Ok TIL :D
Last time i used a brush...this seems indeed a lot easier!
Thanks.

wodan shows it in this video, take a look (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR_64_LChtM&t=1m14s). huge timesaver. when applied to mx switches I throw springs and stems into the bag.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: jgjl on Sat, 14 April 2018, 17:14:06
The case would be very nice for my custom work-in-progress board.

Do you plan to provide plates for plate-mounted stabilizers and
hand-wired/pcb-less builds?
If not, is the case (without the plate of course) compatible with
with plate-mounted stabilizers and pcb-less builds?

After a closer look at the images: is the plate attached to the top
of the case? This would make the case already pcb-less plate compatible,
with the plate being the only missing thing...

This issue could be resolved by a GH60/Pock3r adapter. Since you have extra
space around the keys, this should be possible. If you provide the exact measurements
I will given it a shot :)

Cheers,

jgjl

yes, it is a top-mount construction.
yes, only PCB-mount stabilizers are supported.

Sorry, I don't understand the rest of your question  :(

Thank you for the clarification.

Here are my two remaining questions:

Question 1: Do you plan to add a plate for use without PCB and with plate-mounted stabilizers?

If you do not, where are two options to make this happen:

1. Use a standard 60% HHKB plate with the same dimensions as this one: https://1upkeyboards.com/diy-60-black-carbon-fiber-keyboard-kits.html (https://1upkeyboards.com/diy-60-black-carbon-fiber-keyboard-kits.html). This plate is smaller than the one used in your SKB60 design. In order to make a standard plate compatible with the SKB60 design, an adapter is be required. The adapter has to add a frame around the standard 60% plate in order to attach it to the SKB60 case.

2. Create a custom plate (e.g. with the swillkb case & plate builder http://builder.swillkb.com/ (http://builder.swillkb.com/)).

Question 2: In both cases, we would need to know the exact dimensions of the SKB60 plate design and the locations of the screw holes. Would it be possible to get this information?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 April 2018, 17:29:46
Thank you for the clarification.

Here are my two remaining questions:

Question 1: Do you plan to add a plate for use without PCB and with plate-mounted stabilizers?

If you do not, where are two options to make this happen:

1. Use a standard 60% HHKB plate with the same dimensions as this one: https://1upkeyboards.com/diy-60-black-carbon-fiber-keyboard-kits.html (https://1upkeyboards.com/diy-60-black-carbon-fiber-keyboard-kits.html). This plate is smaller than the one used in your SKB60 design. In order to make a standard plate compatible with the SKB60 design, an adapter is be required. The adapter has to add a frame around the standard 60% plate in order to attach it to the SKB60 case.

2. Create a custom plate (e.g. with the swillkb case & plate builder http://builder.swillkb.com/ (http://builder.swillkb.com/)).

Question 2: In both cases, we would need to know the exact dimensions of the SKB60 plate design and the locations of the screw holes. Would it be possible to get this information?

1:
please take a look at the section "PCBs, plates and layouts" in the opening post. click on "more" and you will see the plates and the layouts they support. only pcb-mount stabilizer support.

2:
this is a top-mount construction, not a tray-mount. so this means no compatibility with "standard" plates.
if you want to make your own plate, i can provide you with the necessary data. (warning: if you want to LASER a single plate in germany it can easily cost you around 200euro)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: jgjl on Sat, 14 April 2018, 18:27:33
Thank you for the clarification.

Here are my two remaining questions:

Question 1: Do you plan to add a plate for use without PCB and with plate-mounted stabilizers?

If you do not, where are two options to make this happen:

1. Use a standard 60% HHKB plate with the same dimensions as this one: https://1upkeyboards.com/diy-60-black-carbon-fiber-keyboard-kits.html (https://1upkeyboards.com/diy-60-black-carbon-fiber-keyboard-kits.html). This plate is smaller than the one used in your SKB60 design. In order to make a standard plate compatible with the SKB60 design, an adapter is be required. The adapter has to add a frame around the standard 60% plate in order to attach it to the SKB60 case.

2. Create a custom plate (e.g. with the swillkb case & plate builder http://builder.swillkb.com/ (http://builder.swillkb.com/)).

Question 2: In both cases, we would need to know the exact dimensions of the SKB60 plate design and the locations of the screw holes. Would it be possible to get this information?

1:
please take a look at the section "PCBs, plates and layouts" in the opening post. click on "more" and you will see the plates and the layouts they support. only pcb-mount stabilizer support.

2:
this is a top-mount construction, not a tray-mount. so this means no compatibility with "standard" plates.
if you want to make your own plate, i can provide you with the necessary data. (warning: if you want to LASER a single plate in germany it can easily cost you around 200euro)

Thanks!

1: Understood.

2: The data would be awesome :)
Lasering: I ordered a single plate last week: http://www.laserteileonline.de/dxfimport.html (http://www.laserteileonline.de/dxfimport.html). It has not arrived yet, so I cannot comment on the results. In any case, 42EUR plus 7EUR shipping is OK for me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: jgjl on Sat, 14 April 2018, 18:33:43
Any possibility of getting a bare, unanodized case?

+1

yes, i can arrange that. but you do want the bead blasting, right?

Cool! Bead blasting sounds even better!

How can I specify this in the order form?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: cinema on Sun, 15 April 2018, 03:02:39
Any possibility of getting a bare, unanodized case?

+1

yes, i can arrange that. but you do want the bead blasting, right?

Cool! Bead blasting sounds even better!

How can I specify this in the order form?

Bead-blasting leaves a more rough looking texture opposed to anodized from what I've seen. I've already placed my order, but if this is a legitimate option without creating additional problems, I imagine this difference would really set this case off well.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: online on Sun, 15 April 2018, 05:59:36
Joined few days ago. Didn't have confirmation email. Could you make a list of orders? So that I know I'm in. Don't wanna miss this awesome case! 


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sorry, didn't know there is a plugin for email confirmation, google forms can't do that out-of-the-box. you should be good, but I can't really tell, couse here you are just shown as "online" can't see any real username that i could search for in the form entries.

list of orders with the usernames in the start post - yes, this will come, first i plan to include the ortholinear option.

I don't know about google forms, but recently joined a GB with an order list and I found it very useful.
Sorry for the confusion, my username is 'online'. :)

 Anyway, I'm happy as long as I'm in. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: kim-kim on Sun, 15 April 2018, 07:01:04
Thank you for the clarification.

Here are my two remaining questions:

Question 1: Do you plan to add a plate for use without PCB and with plate-mounted stabilizers?

If you do not, where are two options to make this happen:

1. Use a standard 60% HHKB plate with the same dimensions as this one: https://1upkeyboards.com/diy-60-black-carbon-fiber-keyboard-kits.html (https://1upkeyboards.com/diy-60-black-carbon-fiber-keyboard-kits.html). This plate is smaller than the one used in your SKB60 design. In order to make a standard plate compatible with the SKB60 design, an adapter is be required. The adapter has to add a frame around the standard 60% plate in order to attach it to the SKB60 case.

2. Create a custom plate (e.g. with the swillkb case & plate builder http://builder.swillkb.com/ (http://builder.swillkb.com/)).

Question 2: In both cases, we would need to know the exact dimensions of the SKB60 plate design and the locations of the screw holes. Would it be possible to get this information?

1:
please take a look at the section "PCBs, plates and layouts" in the opening post. click on "more" and you will see the plates and the layouts they support. only pcb-mount stabilizer support.

2:
this is a top-mount construction, not a tray-mount. so this means no compatibility with "standard" plates.
if you want to make your own plate, i can provide you with the necessary data. (warning: if you want to LASER a single plate in germany it can easily cost you around 200euro)

There's no 75RE layout option on the form until now

Should I make my own custom plate instead?  :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 15 April 2018, 08:45:26
Any possibility of getting a bare, unanodized case?

+1

yes, i can arrange that. but you do want the bead blasting, right?

Cool! Bead blasting sounds even better!

How can I specify this in the order form?

The case is bead blasted AND anodized - just like CNC milled cases are. You might not see it well on the pictures, that is because I took them with my phone and also because the bead blasting was not strong/rought enough. This will be different in the final production, so it will look better. I just took some pictures outside, there it gets obvious that the samples are bead blasted. will upload them later this day.

I don't think many will want to get their SKB without the anodizing. So I won't include this as option in the form, just PM me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 15 April 2018, 08:50:56
Bead-blasting leaves a more rough looking texture opposed to anodized from what I've seen. I've already placed my order, but if this is a legitimate option without creating additional problems, I imagine this difference would really set this case off well.

Yes, bead blasting makes an evenly textured surface and you can have different strengt of graininess/roughness. This is not a question of anodizing OR bead-blasting, of course it is BOTH: first bead-blasting then anodizing.
This information can be found right at the top of the starting post in the section "Features", there it say "case finish: bead blasted and anodized, black"

 ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 15 April 2018, 08:54:09
I don't know about google forms, but recently joined a GB with an order list and I found it very useful.
Sorry for the confusion, my username is 'online'. :)

 Anyway, I'm happy as long as I'm in. :)

:))

AAAAh, OKAY!
YES, I just checked, your order is in!

And yes, I will update the start post with an order list soon.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 15 April 2018, 08:58:04
There's no 75RE layout option on the form until now

Should I make my own custom plate instead?  :D

But NOW there is  ;D
just added the ortholinear option to the form. If you have placed your order already but want the ortholinear plate instead or added, then please PM me. I will update this information in the start post soon and bring ortholinear renders as well.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: kim-kim on Sun, 15 April 2018, 09:31:45
There's no 75RE layout option on the form until now

Should I make my own custom plate instead?  :D

But NOW there is  ;D
just added the ortholinear option to the form. If you have placed your order already but want the ortholinear plate instead or added, then please PM me. I will update this information in the start post soon and bring ortholinear renders as well.

That's what I waiting for!

Done filling form \  ;D  /
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: BerserkZz on Sun, 15 April 2018, 10:09:58
Would you mind checking if I'm in the group buy? My username is 'BerserkZz' and I ordered 2 different cases. Thank you.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: online on Sun, 15 April 2018, 10:25:02
I don't know about google forms, but recently joined a GB with an order list and I found it very useful.
Sorry for the confusion, my username is 'online'. :)

 Anyway, I'm happy as long as I'm in. :)

:))

AAAAh, OKAY!
YES, I just checked, your order is in!

And yes, I will update the start post with an order list soon.

Nice.Thanks for the confirmation.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 15 April 2018, 10:46:56
Would you mind checking if I'm in the group buy? My username is 'BerserkZz' and I ordered 2 different cases. Thank you.

yes, you are in, WKL and HHKB.
I'll put up the order list soon in the opening post.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS)
Post by: BerserkZz on Sun, 15 April 2018, 11:58:51
Would you mind checking if I'm in the group buy? My username is 'BerserkZz' and I ordered 2 different cases. Thank you.

yes, you are in, WKL and HHKB.
I'll put up the order list soon in the opening post.

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:01:25
also new, if you want a YAS version and don't have a PCB from the GB or the extra sale (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0) jet, then you might get a chance to get it combined with the SKB. If at least 10 want it, silentreader will send me the PCBs and I will bundle it for you. less then 10 wouldn't make sense, in that case you can still get the PCB directly from silentreader.

PM me if you would like to get the YAS PCB with the SKB combined from me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:06:46
here are new pictures. outdoor lighting helps to get much nicer pictures, i think :)

(https://i.imgur.com/IZSpgYS.jpg)

SKB outdoors (https://imgur.com/a/8f3bg)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Sun, 15 April 2018, 19:58:20
also new, if you want a YAS version and don't have a PCB from the GB or the extra sale (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0) jet, then you might get a chance to get it combined with the SKB. If at least 10 want it, silentreader will send me the PCBs and I will bundle it for you. less then 10 wouldn't make sense, in that case you can still get the PCB directly from silentreader.

PM me if you would like to get the YAS PCB with the SKB combined from me.


I’d be in for this. Was just about to buy it separately, but this would be very helpful.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 16 April 2018, 00:53:05
the HHKB one has grown on me the last few days, might see if i can muster cash for it
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 17 April 2018, 14:55:21
UPDATE regarding YAS-PCB:

sorry for the back and forth regarding the YAS-PCB. We now decided that I will get a shipment of YAS-PCBs so all who want the SKB60-YAS but don't have a YAS-PCB jet can get it from me together. The price is 37 Euro for one YAS-PCB.

I added the option to the order form.

If you have filled out the form already and want the PCB as well, please PM me and I will delete your order so you can fill out the form again and add the PCB this time.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 17 April 2018, 15:07:19
oh and sorry i didn't do the order list jet. please give me time till the weekend, then i have more time to deal with exel :(

but short: we are past 70 already.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: matthmattix on Wed, 18 April 2018, 19:31:38
In for the YAS+PCB. Great design! Thanks for this GB!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Electrum on Wed, 18 April 2018, 20:33:27
Joined for a 75 :) Can't wait!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: whytwokay on Thu, 19 April 2018, 18:33:30
Are there any prototypes or renders for what the 75% will look like? I can find pictures of the plate/layouts, but I wasn't able to find a built model in this or the IC thread!

The pictures of the case I've seen so far look great!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 19 April 2018, 18:39:04
Are there any prototypes or renders for what the 75% will look like? I can find pictures of the plate/layouts, but I wasn't able to find a built model in this or the IC thread!

The pictures of the case I've seen so far look great!!  :thumb:

(https://i.imgur.com/3Zgdvia.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/TSCjyOs.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/1DRixO3.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/YCAEgpK.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/soUP0Rl.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/tjd1kpO.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/6a9nVXx.jpg)

No sample was ordered for the 75%. Decision was explained by OP back in the IC that it basically came down to cost, so he got 5 samples of the 60% case made, with a couple of different tops. 75% would have been cost prohibitive to do a prototype for.

Edit: Didn't realize the GB post was modified/updated and some of the images changed. FWIW, this is the gallery I have that I used to (unofficially) cross-post the GB over on the reddit, which has images pulled from IC: GALLERY (https://imgur.com/a/D4rSz)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 April 2018, 04:48:19
No sample was ordered for the 75%. Decision was explained by OP back in the IC that it basically came down to cost, so he got 5 samples of the 60% case made, with a couple of different tops. 75% would have been cost prohibitive to do a prototype for.

Edit: Didn't realize the GB post was modified/updated and some of the images changed. FWIW, this is the gallery I have that I used to (unofficially) cross-post the GB over on the reddit, which has images pulled from IC: GALLERY (https://imgur.com/a/D4rSz)

thank you very much for posting this. I just now realize, that I still haven't linked to the renderings of the versions I don't have a sample of.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 20 April 2018, 11:52:23
No sample was ordered for the 75%. Decision was explained by OP back in the IC that it basically came down to cost, so he got 5 samples of the 60% case made, with a couple of different tops. 75% would have been cost prohibitive to do a prototype for.

Edit: Didn't realize the GB post was modified/updated and some of the images changed. FWIW, this is the gallery I have that I used to (unofficially) cross-post the GB over on the reddit, which has images pulled from IC: GALLERY (https://imgur.com/a/D4rSz)

thank you very much for posting this. I just now realize, that I still haven't linked to the renderings of the versions I don't have a sample of.

Do you still intend on cross-listing this GB officially over on R/MK and R/mechmarket? I recall you saying you wanted to wait for higher quality images and typing sounds video, which it looks like you have all set now. I'm happy to help and put up another unofficial updated GB post to followup on the first round of posts I did over there.

I don't know if the close date for this GB is hard set, but it would be great to get most orders for lowest price breaks, and the extra exposure over there could be helpful, especially with the new XD75 ortho plate you added (XD75 has trended pretty well over there, so I'm sure it would lure a couple more at least).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 April 2018, 15:01:47
Do you still intend on cross-listing this GB officially over on R/MK and R/mechmarket? I recall you saying you wanted to wait for higher quality images and typing sounds video, which it looks like you have all set now. I'm happy to help and put up another unofficial updated GB post to followup on the first round of posts I did over there.

I don't know if the close date for this GB is hard set, but it would be great to get most orders for lowest price breaks, and the extra exposure over there could be helpful, especially with the new XD75 ortho plate you added (XD75 has trended pretty well over there, so I'm sure it would lure a couple more at least).

Yes, you recall that right and I still intend to make an official R/MK post. A few reasons why I still didn't.
Let me explain.
The powedercoating on the plates of the samples was much too thick and the bead blasting was kind of sloppy (some spots not really blasted). My contact at the firm was on holiday so I couldn't clear that out right away. This is no big deal, but before I collect any money from you I want to make sure that this will not happen in the  final production.
Also I had some requests via PM for a 65% version. As many of you know this was ruled out during IC phase. 60% and 75% had just more votes, though 65% had much as well. For me the biggest reason against 65% was that at the time 65% PCBs alone were hard to get. This has changed a bit since. Now you can get them from Sentraq (https://sentraq.com/products/65-rgb-underglow-pcb), Keyclack (https://www.keyclack.com/product/m65apcb) and KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/65/products/tada68-pcn?variant=3201133346829). So maybe I'm preparing to add this option as well (just adding the option is of course no guarantee it will happen since a minimum of 20 orders would be required).
Also I don't want to add another stack of renderings. I will make just one or two where all the versions join happily together, something like a nice family picture. And I still need more time for that.

So in short, I'm still working to insure quality, maybe add another version, last nice rendering. When that is done - then I will do R/MK to give it a last push.

Until then I'm totally comfortable if this GB goes a bit unnoticed - the numbers are already better then expected.

This also means, that the payment phase will have to be pushed back by two weeks I think (so not starting before mid-may).
I hope you're all fine with that.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Fri, 20 April 2018, 15:56:16
Oh, a 65% would be perfect. I'd most likely order one. But, that would put me a 3 cases, so I may need to rethink things.

Just make sure it can fit the Tada68 PCB and other 65% USB locations.

However 65% and 75% are super popular at r/mk so you should definitely crosspost it asap!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 20 April 2018, 19:02:39
Do you still intend on cross-listing this GB officially over on R/MK and R/mechmarket? I recall you saying you wanted to wait for higher quality images and typing sounds video, which it looks like you have all set now. I'm happy to help and put up another unofficial updated GB post to followup on the first round of posts I did over there.

I don't know if the close date for this GB is hard set, but it would be great to get most orders for lowest price breaks, and the extra exposure over there could be helpful, especially with the new XD75 ortho plate you added (XD75 has trended pretty well over there, so I'm sure it would lure a couple more at least).

Yes, you recall that right and I still intend to make an official R/MK post. A few reasons why I still didn't.
Let me explain.
The powedercoating on the plates of the samples was much too thick and the bead blasting was kind of sloppy (some spots not really blasted). My contact at the firm was on holiday so I couldn't clear that out right away. This is no big deal, but before I collect any money from you I want to make sure that this will not happen in the  final production.
Also I had some requests via PM for a 65% version. As many of you know this was ruled out during IC phase. 60% and 75% had just more votes, though 65% had much as well. For me the biggest reason against 65% was that at the time 65% PCBs alone were hard to get. This has changed a bit since. Now you can get them from Sentraq (https://sentraq.com/products/65-rgb-underglow-pcb), Keyclack (https://www.keyclack.com/product/m65apcb) and KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/65/products/tada68-pcn?variant=3201133346829). So maybe I'm preparing to add this option as well (just adding the option is of course no guarantee it will happen since a minimum of 20 orders would be required).
Also I don't want to add another stack of renderings. I will make just one or two where all the versions join happily together, something like a nice family picture. And I still need more time for that.

So in short, I'm still working to insure quality, maybe add another version, last nice rendering. When that is done - then I will do R/MK to give it a last push.

Until then I'm totally comfortable if this GB goes a bit unnoticed - the numbers are already better then expected.

This also means, that the payment phase will have to be pushed back by two weeks I think (so not starting before mid-may).
I hope you're all fine with that.

Thanks for the update - quite happy to wait and not rush things to ensure things are as best as possible, and if you are adding onto the GB options that is well worth it. Are there any versions of cases or plates that are still below MOQ or look like they will struggle to be made? I'm specifically wondering about the 75%, which I am in for. I would presume that all of the 60% layouts would have hit MOQ easily, given the popularity of the size.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ojrask on Sat, 21 April 2018, 00:44:18
This also means, that the payment phase will have to be pushed back by two weeks I think (so not starting before mid-may).
I hope you're all fine with that.

Hmm I had money stored for this GB. My next paycheck arrives around 20th of May, will the payment phase bend enough for the 20th so I can rearrange financials a little?

No worries on delaying anyway, would rather wait a month longer for a quality product. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 21 April 2018, 06:41:35
Thanks for the update - quite happy to wait and not rush things to ensure things are as best as possible, and if you are adding onto the GB options that is well worth it. Are there any versions of cases or plates that are still below MOQ or look like they will struggle to be made? I'm specifically wondering about the 75%, which I am in for. I would presume that all of the 60% layouts would have hit MOQ easily, given the popularity of the size.

Only the ortholinear version at 6 hasn't reached MOQ jet. All the other versions have and the numbers are surprisingly distributed quite evenly among all the different 60% version. 75% is by far the most popular version at exactly 30 orders right now.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 21 April 2018, 06:42:53
This also means, that the payment phase will have to be pushed back by two weeks I think (so not starting before mid-may).
I hope you're all fine with that.

Hmm I had money stored for this GB. My next paycheck arrives around 20th of May, will the payment phase bend enough for the 20th so I can rearrange financials a little?

No worries on delaying anyway, would rather wait a month longer for a quality product. :)

Yes, you are right, it makes sense to have the payment phase around the end/beginning of a month. So I guess it will have to be around the end of may.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ojrask on Sat, 21 April 2018, 14:09:14
This also means, that the payment phase will have to be pushed back by two weeks I think (so not starting before mid-may).
I hope you're all fine with that.

Hmm I had money stored for this GB. My next paycheck arrives around 20th of May, will the payment phase bend enough for the 20th so I can rearrange financials a little?

No worries on delaying anyway, would rather wait a month longer for a quality product. :)

Yes, you are right, it makes sense to have the payment phase around the end/beginning of a month. So I guess it will have to be around the end of may.
If you can make that happen I would love it. Of course, if more people prefer a mid-May payment then you should go with that instead. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: BerserkZz on Sat, 21 April 2018, 17:05:49
This also means, that the payment phase will have to be pushed back by two weeks I think (so not starting before mid-may).
I hope you're all fine with that.

Hmm I had money stored for this GB. My next paycheck arrives around 20th of May, will the payment phase bend enough for the 20th so I can rearrange financials a little?

No worries on delaying anyway, would rather wait a month longer for a quality product. :)


Yes, you are right, it makes sense to have the payment phase around the end/beginning of a month. So I guess it will have to be around the end of may.

So what is the current order number on 60%?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: MajorclaM on Sat, 21 April 2018, 19:49:24
Is the finish anodized, painted, or powdercoated?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 21 April 2018, 20:55:06
Is the finish anodized, painted, or powdercoated?

says anodized right in the OP
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 22 April 2018, 03:46:12
Is the finish anodized, painted, or powdercoated?

says anodized right in the OP

yes, the case is made of aluminium. first bead-blasted, then anodized - just like most other custom cases.
the plate is steel, not aluminium, therefore anodizing was not a choice. the plate is powdercoated.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 23 April 2018, 14:52:50
Oh cool. If payment is towards end of May I might be up for one of these HHKBs.  Especially if you're hitting the lower pricepoints by then. I keep feeling like I'm gonna regret missing out on this...
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: thokir on Mon, 23 April 2018, 16:37:07


I keep feeling like I'm gonna regret missing out on this...

you will regret it, for sure : )
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: schoolbus on Mon, 23 April 2018, 17:21:00
really like this but might not be able to get over the exposed screws... decisions decisions.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 23 April 2018, 17:23:15
really like this but might not be able to get over the exposed screws... decisions decisions.

You can do it, just lift your thumb up a little. Just a little bit.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 23 April 2018, 18:01:31
really like this but might not be able to get over the exposed screws... decisions decisions.

I just want to mention that the final case specs include low-profile flathead screws as well as the rounded buttonhead screws, since many people are looking at specific pictures and renders that only show the button-head screws or the older high-profile flathead screws. If you have used other keyboard case designs with a moderate bezel before, your hands rarely ever rest directly on the bezel and make contact with those screws, at least IME. I rest my fingers on the keycaps at most, not the frame/bezel.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: schoolbus on Mon, 23 April 2018, 19:44:23
Thanks for the clarification on that. I like the bezel size it’s the screw height that bothers me aesthetically so I’m definitely leaning towards this now rather than another KBD75.. I need to find homes for my extra key sets and and try and take some sort of retirement from this hobby for a while ;)

Is there any option for an aluminum plate? I only ask because I kind of like the bounciness w/ tactile switches.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 24 April 2018, 09:01:20
...
Is there any option for an aluminum plate? I only ask because I kind of like the bounciness w/ tactile switches.

Powdercoated steel plate, as described by PlastikSchnittstelle. IDK if he'd be willing to share specs for the plates so you could have your own cut to order independently.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 24 April 2018, 11:00:53
Thanks for the clarification on that. I like the bezel size it’s the screw height that bothers me aesthetically so I’m definitely leaning towards this now rather than another KBD75.. I need to find homes for my extra key sets and and try and take some sort of retirement from this hobby for a while ;)

I totally understand, that some might not like the exposed screws. As you say - your decision. No hurry btw :)

I learned to love them the way they pierce through the thick metal. Why it became that way is because achieving a proper top-mount construction was the main goal. Had I chosen some kind of way that would have needed threads in the aluminium, the whole thing wouldn't have been very future proof. Aluminium isn't a very strong metal and if you screw in a screw the wrong way and accidentally damage the thread - then the whole case would be garbage. The way it is designed, there are no threads in the case that could break. If a screw, standoff or nut ever goes broke - no problem, just take a new one. This thing is built to last for ever!

To me, with the exposed screws and the overlapping bends the whole construction looks self-explanatory and honest in some kind of way.

Regarding the screws I also wrote a bit back in the IC:

How do the screws feel btw? I showed this to my girlfriend and she brought up the point that they might be uncomfortable.

Good point, I was curious to find out about this. I don't feel the screws at all. When typing you don't come in contact with the frame/bezel anyway, that doesn't happen with any keyboard (at least not when I type). Then there are the situations when you don't type and your fingers rest on the keyboard. Mostly my fingers rest on the keys itself so in this case I don't feel the screws either. Sometimes my fingers wander around the key area and on the bezel/frame and then of course I do feel the screws but not in an obtrusive kind of way. They immediately become a part of the whole body and my fingers instinctively use them as kind of orientation points somewhat like the bumps on the F and J keys.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 24 April 2018, 11:15:04
...
Is there any option for an aluminum plate? I only ask because I kind of like the bounciness w/ tactile switches.

Powdercoated steel plate, as described by PlastikSchnittstelle. IDK if he'd be willing to share specs for the plates so you could have your own cut to order independently.

Yes, Steel only.
Bringing even more different versions/parts like an aluminium-plate would make it totally impossible to achieve lower prices.
But as I said before, I will share the plate data, once it is sure everything is 100% set.

There might be a better solution to powdercoating. Though it might not seem that way, I'm very busy regarding the GB and details. The powdercoating for example is something I'm not happy with, so exploring some other possibilities at the moment. For sure it will be black. All takes time.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: FSund on Wed, 25 April 2018, 07:37:48
Also I had some requests via PM for a 65% version. As many of you know this was ruled out during IC phase. 60% and 75% had just more votes, though 65% had much as well. For me the biggest reason against 65% was that at the time 65% PCBs alone were hard to get. This has changed a bit since. Now you can get them from Sentraq (https://sentraq.com/products/65-rgb-underglow-pcb), Keyclack (https://www.keyclack.com/product/m65apcb) and KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/65/products/tada68-pcn?variant=3201133346829). So maybe I'm preparing to add this option as well (just adding the option is of course no guarantee it will happen since a minimum of 20 orders would be required).

Will you be extending the GB phase, to allow orders for 65% to come in? Isn't it supposed to end tomorrow? I was going to order a 60%, but if 65% is coming I'd rather wait for that.

EDIT: I see you already extended the GB to 2018.05.20, my bad :thumb:
Think I will wait until the 65% option is available then.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 25 April 2018, 13:07:27
****it, price is good, and I bet it'll look cool with some custom screws to match whatever set I use. Filled a form for HHKB version, praying for 100 MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:45:09
looks amazing. one question, is there an option for the YAS62 PCB to have USB type C ?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: yasintahir on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:50:23
looks amazing. one question, is there an option for the YAS62 PCB to have USB type C ?
YAS62 didn't support USB Type C.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:57:22
looks amazing. one question, is there an option for the YAS62 PCB to have USB type C ?

This GB is only responsible for the case/plate hardware, and PCBs are BYO (bring your own). The YAS PCBs he is offering are direct from their creator, just as a way to bundle it for convenience, since OP is a fan of the project. So in short, no, since the YAS PCB does not have USB-C connector. You can always utilize a micro-USB to USB-C connector.

Edit: Silentreader already posted - listen to him :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 25 April 2018, 15:34:08
just to clarify - you have the option to get the YAS-PCB from me together with the case. silentreader will send the necessary amount of PCBs to me so everyone who wants both can save quite a lot on shipping cost.

sorry that wasn't clear from the start of the GB, we only worked that out later and the option got added later to the form.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 25 April 2018, 18:07:24
Does the 60% version support USB C?

Just shopping around for PCBs, couldn't find anything about that in this thread.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 25 April 2018, 18:32:26
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Any of the popular PCBs with the USB port on the left side will fit.

PCBs need to have USB port on left side, type irrelevant as long as it fits into the top left cutout window. Unsure if there's a limitation to if the port is top or bottom of PCB. I think back in the IC thread he says the cutout is fairly large to compensate for the different "popular" PCBs. The port cutout is directly under the top left corner screw, for reference if you want to math out the dimensions. These pics show it somewhat clearly.

(https://i.imgur.com/0STNFqt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dI9piMR.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/5mV5vHN.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/XuyZB9u.jpg)

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 25 April 2018, 19:42:06
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Any of the popular PCBs with the USB port on the left side will fit.

PCBs need to have USB port on left side, type irrelevant as long as it fits into the top left cutout window. Unsure if there's a limitation to if the port is top or bottom of PCB. I think back in the IC thread he says the cutout is fairly large to compensate for the different "popular" PCBs. The port cutout is directly under the top left corner screw, for reference if you want to math out the dimensions. These pics show it somewhat clearly.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0STNFqt.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/dI9piMR.jpg)

Show Image
(https://imgur.com/5mV5vHN.jpg)

Show Image
(https://imgur.com/XuyZB9u.jpg)


I'm aware of that, I just need the dimensions of the USB cutout. USB C requires a wider cutout than miniUSB B. I can figure the rest out if I know how big the cutout is, since most USB port differences are on the Z axis rather than X or Y in my experience.

At first glance, it looks like it should work, though.

Also, I've filled a new form, please disregard my first one (I swapped from HHKB to WKL)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Thu, 26 April 2018, 02:40:19
Sorry if it’s already been asked, but what thread-size are the case screws? (The exposed/raised ones on the top of the case )

Want to try different types/colors of screws when mine arrives.

Also, since I’m getting a YAS62 version, are we sure silentreader will have enough PCB stock to send you at the end of the group but? Worries he might sell out of his PCNs ahead of time. Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: yasintahir on Thu, 26 April 2018, 02:45:16
Sorry if it’s already been asked, but what thread-size are the case screws? (The exposed/raised ones on the top of the case )

Want to try different types/colors of screws when mine arrives.

Also, since I’m getting a YAS62 version, are we sure silentreader will have enough PCB stock to send you at the end of the group but? Worries he might sell out of his PCNs ahead of time. Thank you!

Don't worry i got 40 PCB left
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 26 April 2018, 05:01:23
Quote
Any of the popular PCBs with the USB port on the left side will fit.

PCBs need to have USB port on left side, type irrelevant as long as it fits into the top left cutout window. Unsure if there's a limitation to if the port is top or bottom of PCB. I think back in the IC thread he says the cutout is fairly large to compensate for the different "popular" PCBs. The port cutout is directly under the top left corner screw, for reference if you want to math out the dimensions. These pics show it somewhat clearly.

I'm aware of that, I just need the dimensions of the USB cutout. USB C requires a wider cutout than miniUSB B. I can figure the rest out if I know how big the cutout is, since most USB port differences are on the Z axis rather than X or Y in my experience.

At first glance, it looks like it should work, though.

Also, I've filled a new form, please disregard my first one (I swapped from HHKB to WKL)

The cutout is now planned a bit larger than the one shown in the pictures. Now 14mm x 9.5mm. You are right, the z-height is the more critical point here, since there is one screw coming from above at that position.
You did read the section "Nit-picking" in the opening post? there I wrote:

  • There are a few mini-USB cables that have a pretty bulky head. The top left screw is positioned right above the USB port and if you happen to have a bulky plug, then it might interfere slightly with the screw inside the case. Not a big deal, I just sliced a bit off the plug and then it did fit perfectly fine. I now this since the first prototype but I didn't want to change the screw position, since I think it's perfect and slicing isn't a big deal. Some cables fit right away, some need the slice.
  • The position of the USB port differs slightly on some PCBs. Depending on your PCB, the plug might not be perfectly centered in the cutout, but of course it will always fit.

I know it is difficult to know if a cable will fit or not before you have it in your hands and can measure it yourself. If not the little slice-job is not a big deal imo. But I get you want to be sure and have everything sorted out before. Which PCB with USB-C do you consider? I guess I'll just order one along with some different cables. Then I hope to be able to give some recommendations and amazon-links to cables that will fit guaranteed.

And yes, deleted your HHKB order entry.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 26 April 2018, 05:04:58
Sorry if it’s already been asked, but what thread-size are the case screws? (The exposed/raised ones on the top of the case )
Want to try different types/colors of screws when mine arrives.

I managed to get along with one screw type only for the whole case. All M3, length 12mm.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 26 April 2018, 05:07:04
Don't worry i got 40 PCB left

so far 11 ordered the PCB along the case.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Thu, 26 April 2018, 12:37:46
cool thanks for the info. I wish we had other colors available, but there's always paint :P

Just don't want to cover the beautiful anodization texture. Guess it's time to learn to love black!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: RealLaugh on Thu, 26 April 2018, 14:12:18
if I want to change my order what is the easiest way to do it?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 26 April 2018, 15:07:54
if I want to change my order what is the easiest way to do it?

I'd say, from now on if anyone wants to change his order - just fill out the form again. I can see double entries and whenever there is one I will just delete the first/older order without asking. That's simple.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 26 April 2018, 17:12:06
Quote
Any of the popular PCBs with the USB port on the left side will fit.

PCBs need to have USB port on left side, type irrelevant as long as it fits into the top left cutout window. Unsure if there's a limitation to if the port is top or bottom of PCB. I think back in the IC thread he says the cutout is fairly large to compensate for the different "popular" PCBs. The port cutout is directly under the top left corner screw, for reference if you want to math out the dimensions. These pics show it somewhat clearly.

I'm aware of that, I just need the dimensions of the USB cutout. USB C requires a wider cutout than miniUSB B. I can figure the rest out if I know how big the cutout is, since most USB port differences are on the Z axis rather than X or Y in my experience.

At first glance, it looks like it should work, though.

Also, I've filled a new form, please disregard my first one (I swapped from HHKB to WKL)

The cutout is now planned a bit larger than the one shown in the pictures. Now 14mm x 9.5mm. You are right, the z-height is the more critical point here, since there is one screw coming from above at that position.
You did read the section "Nit-picking" in the opening post? there I wrote:

  • There are a few mini-USB cables that have a pretty bulky head. The top left screw is positioned right above the USB port and if you happen to have a bulky plug, then it might interfere slightly with the screw inside the case. Not a big deal, I just sliced a bit off the plug and then it did fit perfectly fine. I now this since the first prototype but I didn't want to change the screw position, since I think it's perfect and slicing isn't a big deal. Some cables fit right away, some need the slice.
  • The position of the USB port differs slightly on some PCBs. Depending on your PCB, the plug might not be perfectly centered in the cutout, but of course it will always fit.

I know it is difficult to know if a cable will fit or not before you have it in your hands and can measure it yourself. If not the little slice-job is not a big deal imo. But I get you want to be sure and have everything sorted out before. Which PCB with USB-C do you consider? I guess I'll just order one along with some different cables. Then I hope to be able to give some recommendations and amazon-links to cables that will fit guaranteed.

And yes, deleted your HHKB order entry.

slick, thanks

that cutout size is perfect for what i need, i think USB C requires 10mm cutouts

i might swap back to HHKB, but HHKB 60s tend to be easier to find than WKL ones, so odds are i'll stick with this and then have one of each WKL/HHKB/standard

even though i think WKL 60 looks weird af
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: FSund on Fri, 27 April 2018, 07:57:34
Also I had some requests via PM for a 65% version. As many of you know this was ruled out during IC phase. 60% and 75% had just more votes, though 65% had much as well. For me the biggest reason against 65% was that at the time 65% PCBs alone were hard to get. This has changed a bit since. Now you can get them from Sentraq (https://sentraq.com/products/65-rgb-underglow-pcb), Keyclack (https://www.keyclack.com/product/m65apcb) and KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/65/products/tada68-pcn?variant=3201133346829). So maybe I'm preparing to add this option as well (just adding the option is of course no guarantee it will happen since a minimum of 20 orders would be required).

Any ETA for when the 65% option will be added to the form (if you decide to add it)?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 April 2018, 09:37:10
Any ETA for when the 65% option will be added to the form (if you decide to add it)?

I'll need at least another week, more likely two.
But it will be for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Electrum on Fri, 27 April 2018, 11:28:17
Any ETA for when the 65% option will be added to the form (if you decide to add it)?

I'll need at least another week, more likely two.
But it will be for sure.

Sweet :) I'll probably switch to it from a 75% excited to see it!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 April 2018, 11:44:10
Sweet :) I'll probably switch to it from a 75% excited to see it!

I'm afraid some will switch. Hope it won't cannibalize 75% too much.
Be aware, SKB65 version will have its own MOQ of 20 units. If that isn't reached then it simply can't happen. Though the numbers so far indicate, that there is a very good chance it will succeed.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Fri, 27 April 2018, 12:03:21
Nooooooooooooo!  We need more 75s!  All the 75s!  Come on, people!  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 April 2018, 13:38:42
Nooooooooooooo!  We need more 75s!  All the 75s!  Come on, people!  :eek:

Don't worry, SKB75 is at 35 units now. Even if some switch from 75 to 65, it will still be OK, I guess.
EDIT: wait, haven't counted me in, that would make 36 for SKB75 for now :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 27 April 2018, 13:40:35
Nooooooooooooo!  We need more 75s!  All the 75s!  Come on, people!  :eek:

+1
75% rules.  :p
I hope everything will have > 100 units

Thanks PlastikSchnittstelle for monitoring the quality and running this GB careful.
If only every GB can be like how it is run by you.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 27 April 2018, 14:14:00
Just to make sure: has the 60% WKL case reached MOQ or not yet?

Ordered a DZ60 with USB-C this week for this case, it seemed like the least "bells and whistles" PCB that fits this case and supports QMK. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 April 2018, 16:45:21
Just to make sure: has the 60% WKL case reached MOQ or not yet?

yes, WKL at 17, HHKB at 15
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 April 2018, 16:54:02
Ordered a DZ60 with USB-C this week for this case, it seemed like the least "bells and whistles" PCB that fits this case and supports QMK. :)

so you will go WKL with the DZ60 PCB? that means USB-C is super important to you, since you could just take a normal SATAN PCB for the WKL layout.

btw QMK is my favorite as well. once you know how to make your keymaps it works really good. no problem with two SATAN PCBs and one GH60 PCB so far. though I hope I will be able to use the linux subsystem in windows after the upcoming april-update instead of the msys2 terminal.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Sat, 28 April 2018, 07:17:22
though I hope I will be able to use the linux subsystem in windows after the upcoming april-update instead of the msys2 terminal.

oh the update makes it possible to flash via WSL? I have been using it to compile my QMK firmware already. Would be nice to do both from one terminal
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Sat, 28 April 2018, 07:28:27
Probably the most comprehensive and well organised group buy I have seen. Awesome idea too and something actually very unique, just signed up for a case for my yas  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tedk on Sat, 28 April 2018, 08:25:32
How cool is that? Im in for 60 and 65 percent :)

Any ETA for when the 65% option will be added to the form (if you decide to add it)?

I'll need at least another week, more likely two.
But it will be for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: BerserkZz on Sat, 28 April 2018, 15:27:54
Have we past 70 for 60%?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sat, 28 April 2018, 18:26:07
I'll be grabbing a 65 when those go live. Is it MOQ30 for each variant?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ojrask on Sun, 29 April 2018, 14:50:08
Ordered a DZ60 with USB-C this week for this case, it seemed like the least "bells and whistles" PCB that fits this case and supports QMK. :)

so you will go WKL with the DZ60 PCB? that means USB-C is super important to you, since you could just take a normal SATAN PCB for the WKL layout.

btw QMK is my favorite as well. once you know how to make your keymaps it works really good. no problem with two SATAN PCBs and one GH60 PCB so far. though I hope I will be able to use the linux subsystem in windows after the upcoming april-update instead of the msys2 terminal.

Yeah I considered Satan and GH60, but I wanted a 60% with USB-C (got iErgoDox and Pearl40% as USB-C only right now) and DZ60 was the only choice I found at a reasonable price when I quickly searched. This case is closed format so underglow not needed and I don't like backlighting that much either so did not want to waste money on those features with this one. :)

My first DIY kit was a Satan, jumped straight into QMK without even checking for GUI tool thingies or anything. Was a hassle but managed to get it working after a few hours of cussing and googling. :D

EDIT:

HOOLLL UP

I did not notice the DZ60 had underglow LEDs. Oh well, I can try and see how it works with the SKB60. :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: monkt on Sun, 29 April 2018, 15:34:25
This looks really nice, and I think I'd like to get in on it. However, I've never built a board before. Would someone here advise me on which options to order? Here's what I'd like to end up with:


1. HHKB layout. Looks to me like I should get either SKB60 HHKB / Plate A, or SKB60 YAS / Plate B. I'm not clear on the difference.



2. Is split space-bar possible?


3. Which pcb to go with the above? I don't have a windows machine, so if there's a firmware download/upgrade necessary, could I do it on mac/linux?


4. How likely am I to destroy the pcb if I've never soldered before? In which case maybe a second pcb would be useful?


5. Was there a price estimate on shipping the above items to the U.S.? I haven't chosen my items on the order form yet, so I can't see shipping and paypal charges.


Thanks for your help.



Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 29 April 2018, 16:22:21
though I hope I will be able to use the linux subsystem in windows after the upcoming april-update instead of the msys2 terminal.
oh the update makes it possible to flash via WSL? I have been using it to compile my QMK firmware already. Would be nice to do both from one terminal

I don't know if. I just read that WSL will get further improvements with the update. So I'm just hoping - probably for nothing. We'll see tomorrow, then it will be available.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 29 April 2018, 16:23:10
Have we past 70 for 60%?

YES ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 29 April 2018, 16:26:01
I'll be grabbing a 65 when those go live. Is it MOQ30 for each variant?
MOQ is lower for the 60s cause they share parts. In the beginning I said 10 but that was stupid, 15 should really be the minimum otherwise it would be problematic for me. I'm lucky we have more now, so all OK. 75% has a MOQ of 20 but it is well over 30 now. 65% will have MOQ 20 as well. Think I'll be ready to add it tomorrow or Tuesday.

The only variant/kit that performs really bad is the "SKB60-Standard with Plate-B". Only 6 want this kit so far. That kit makes sense for those who want to squeeze the arrow-cluster into the standard 60%. Can be done with the DZ60 PCB for example (shown in the plate layout illustrations).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 29 April 2018, 16:37:49
Yeah I considered Satan and GH60, but I wanted a 60% with USB-C (got iErgoDox and Pearl40% as USB-C only right now) and DZ60 was the only choice I found at a reasonable price when I quickly searched. This case is closed format so underglow not needed and I don't like backlighting that much either so did not want to waste money on those features with this one. :)

My first DIY kit was a Satan, jumped straight into QMK without even checking for GUI tool thingies or anything. Was a hassle but managed to get it working after a few hours of cussing and googling. :D
yes, just quickly setting it up after you took hours building you keyboard is not how it works. I also needed to invest some time before I got it but once you are comfortable with it is really good. The official guide (https://docs.qmk.fm/) is very good and this youtube tutorial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HLV6mUxNnU&list=PLYEUsdlqPD2a3kzQgnF98Prj-4IzZJGYG) helped me as well. I like the satan PCB also because there are a lot of keymaps in the github repository that I could learn from. Glad I'm not a fan of LED lighting keyboards, all the extra lines of code for RGB stuff seem to be quite complicated.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 29 April 2018, 17:07:33
This looks really nice, and I think I'd like to get in on it. However, I've never built a board before. Would someone here advise me on which options to order? Here's what I'd like to end up with:

1. HHKB layout. Looks to me like I should get either SKB60 HHKB / Plate A, or SKB60 YAS / Plate B. I'm not clear on the difference.
2. Is split space-bar possible?
3. Which pcb to go with the above? I don't have a windows machine, so if there's a firmware download/upgrade necessary, could I do it on mac/linux?
4. How likely am I to destroy the pcb if I've never soldered before? In which case maybe a second pcb would be useful?
5. Was there a price estimate on shipping the above items to the U.S.? I haven't chosen my items on the order form yet, so I can't see shipping and paypal charges.

Thanks for your help.
1. HHKB is not for everyone. It is beautiful but not all can/want adapt to the layout. The YAS looks a little bit like HHKB because it has the narrower bottom row as well, not as much though. Most noticeable about the YAS is that it incorporates the arrow-cluster which is not common for 60% keyboards. That's why most program their arrow keys to another layer and access it via Fn key. If you rely heavily on the arrow keys then I recommend you go for the YAS version. It is also the only version that I can provide you with the PCB. Take a look at the original GB here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0).

2. Yes, pretty much every plate/version supports some kind of split spacebar. of course you have to chose the right PCB to make it happen.

3. If you want HHKB, getting a SATAN PCB is probably the simplest solution for you. If you are on mac/linux then this is perfect. QMK firmware works better on these compared to windows. If you decide for YAS version, then you can just choose the PCB in the order form and you will get it as well. It does not run QMK, it runs L3 firmware, which has a GUI.

4. If you have never soldered before, you should really watch some youtube tutorials on that. Also practice before, don't let the PCB be the first thing you start soldering with. Stuff like how to install your stabilizers the right way is something you will have to look into as well. And switches of course.

5. Shipping, see opening post and the discussion. I mentioned other options in the discussion and I will explore further options. Paypal fees can't be much I think. Less than 2% in Germany I think, not sure.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: RealLaugh on Mon, 30 April 2018, 00:33:49
This looks really nice, and I think I'd like to get in on it. However, I've never built a board before. Would someone here advise me on which options to...
1. HHKB is not for everyone. It is beautiful but not all can/want adapt to the layout. The YAS looks a little bit like HHKB because it has the narrower bottom row as well, not as much though. Most noticeable about the YAS is that it incorporates the arrow-cluster which is not common for 60% keyboards. That's why most program their arrow keys to another layer...

great advice. I would add to not just watch soldering videos, you must watch Wodan's build videos, since then you can see a great technique to solder the switches tightly to the plate/PCB. I think he talks about this technique in the KBD75 video. Link to channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOfwAlVn0JxymLljlDnOODQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOfwAlVn0JxymLljlDnOODQ)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: monkt on Mon, 30 April 2018, 10:11:07
This looks really nice, and I think I'd like to get in on it. However, I've never built a board before. Would someone here advise me on which options to...
1. HHKB is not for everyone. It is beautiful but not all can/want adapt to the layout. The YAS looks a little bit like HHKB because it has the narrower bottom row as well, not as much though. Most noticeable about the YAS is that it incorporates the arrow-cluster which is not common for 60% keyboards. That's why most program their arrow keys to another layer...

great advice. I would add to not just watch soldering videos, you must watch Wodan's build videos, since then you can see a great technique to solder the switches tightly to the plate/PCB. I think he talks about this technique in the KBD75 video. Link to channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOfwAlVn0JxymLljlDnOODQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOfwAlVn0JxymLljlDnOODQ)


Thanks for the replies. I'll check out that video and start looking into soldering tools.


In the meantime, is there a 60%, programmable, hotswap board that would fit with this project? That would be the most fool-proof solution for me until I can figure the rest out.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: FSund on Mon, 30 April 2018, 13:44:50
great advice. I would add to not just watch soldering videos, you must watch Wodan's build videos, since then you can see a great technique to solder the switches tightly to the plate/PCB. I think he talks about this technique in the KBD75 video. Link to channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOfwAlVn0JxymLljlDnOODQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOfwAlVn0JxymLljlDnOODQ)

Probably somewhere around here (https://youtu.be/0frgsLy6llk?t=1843) I'm guessing?

In the meantime, is there a 60%, programmable, hotswap board that would fit with this project? That would be the most fool-proof solution for me until I can figure the rest out.

The GK64 is one alternative
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KBDfans-new-arrival-GK64-pcb-RGB-60-64KEYS-HOT-SWAP-PCB-diy-mechanical-keyboard-hotswap-socket/32837229165.html
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 30 April 2018, 14:24:34
Told you I'd buy some cables just to make sure there won't be any issues. Got them today. Two with USB-Mini-B plug and another two with USB-C plug. They all fit without interfering. Seems like my "make-sure-the-cable-fits" warning was a bit exaggerated. Let me explain again: It's not about making the cutout big enough - that's not a problem of course, it's about the screw coming down from the top, exactly where the cable is. But like I said, just enough clearance so the screw doesn't touch any of the four cables I bought. These are the ones:
- deleyCON mini USB (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00WHZ8KGW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AmazonBasics USB 2.0 A-Stecker auf Mini-B-Stecker (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00NH13S44/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AUKEY USB C Kabel auf USB A (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B073R97KJW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AmazonBasics - USB C Kabel auf USB Typ  (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01GGKYR2O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 01 May 2018, 08:58:15
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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 01 May 2018, 10:11:42
Just wanted to offer that I created a very basic little signature banner if anyone wants to use to promote this project. It's in the imgur gallery I have for this project here at the end: https://imgur.com/a/D4rSz. If anyone else wants to take time to do their own that is better, please share!

Thank you very much, but please let me do the banner myself. I will have one by tomorrow, meanwhile there is no need for this one. I really appreciate the effort, but all the artwork has to be made by myself. Please understand that I can't approve the use of this banner. Wait until tomorrow - then I have on. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 01 May 2018, 10:26:19
Understood, and my apology. Not familiar with the etiquette of GH/banners, just eager :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Tue, 01 May 2018, 12:10:31
Told you I'd buy some cables just to make sure there won't be any issues. Got them today. Two with USB-Mini-B plug and another two with USB-C plug. They all fit without interfering. Seems like my "make-sure-the-cable-fits" warning was a bit exaggerated. Let me explain again: It's not about making the cutout big enough - that's not a problem of course, it's about the screw coming down from the top, exactly where the cable is. But like I said, just enough clearance so the screw doesn't touch any of the four cables I bought. These are the ones:
- deleyCON mini USB (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00WHZ8KGW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AmazonBasics USB 2.0 A-Stecker auf Mini-B-Stecker (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00NH13S44/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AUKEY USB C Kabel auf USB A (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B073R97KJW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AmazonBasics - USB C Kabel auf USB Typ  (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01GGKYR2O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Perchance have you made any photos of this "screw touching" phenomenon?

That sentence sounds oddly inappropriate...  :-[
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 01 May 2018, 12:13:58
Told you I'd buy some cables just to make sure there won't be any issues. Got them today. Two with USB-Mini-B plug and another two with USB-C plug. They all fit without interfering. Seems like my "make-sure-the-cable-fits" warning was a bit exaggerated. Let me explain again: It's not about making the cutout big enough - that's not a problem of course, it's about the screw coming down from the top, exactly where the cable is. But like I said, just enough clearance so the screw doesn't touch any of the four cables I bought. These are the ones:
- deleyCON mini USB (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00WHZ8KGW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AmazonBasics USB 2.0 A-Stecker auf Mini-B-Stecker (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00NH13S44/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AUKEY USB C Kabel auf USB A (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B073R97KJW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AmazonBasics - USB C Kabel auf USB Typ  (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01GGKYR2O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Perchance have you made any photos of this "screw touching" phenomenon?

That sentence sounds oddly inappropriate...  :-[

This pic shows the screw coming in above the USB port cutout: (https://i.imgur.com/dI9piMR.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 01 May 2018, 18:12:01
Perchance have you made any photos of this "screw touching" phenomenon?

That sentence sounds oddly inappropriate...  :-[

 :))
NO SCREW TOUCHING PLEASE!!!

This pic shows the screw coming in above the USB port cutout:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/dI9piMR.jpg)


yep, thanks, that shows it quite well. but like I described, after I checked different cables: NO SCREW TOUCHING!!! so everything is fine :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 01 May 2018, 18:14:14
Understood, and my apology. Not familiar with the etiquette of GH/banners, just eager :)

no problem ;)

here you go, signature banner ready.

It already shows the 65% as well, I'll add it to the order-form tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Tue, 01 May 2018, 19:31:42
Perchance have you made any photos of this "screw touching" phenomenon?

That sentence sounds oddly inappropriate...  :-[

 :))
NO SCREW TOUCHING PLEASE!!!

This pic shows the screw coming in above the USB port cutout:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/dI9piMR.jpg)


yep, thanks, that shows it quite well. but like I described, after I checked different cables: NO SCREW TOUCHING!!! so everything is fine :D

Yeah, thank you both.

It looks like if someone was especially paranoid about the screw they could just replace it with a shorter screw. Easy.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 01 May 2018, 20:13:58
It looks like if someone was especially paranoid about the screw they could just replace it with a shorter screw. Easy.

I don't believe you could easily just use a shorter screw in that one place. The picture shows it with the standoff/spacer in place that sets the distance/depth of the entire plate/pcb assembly. After you stack on the plate, there is a nut that then threads on to secure it in place, and that nut sits flush with the end of the screw from other pics (in one of the 3 sample build galleries it is shown clearly). If you wanted shorter screw, you might compromise the security of that nut being properly threaded, so you would potentially have to adjust spacers (all of them, to keep it level) as well as all the screws, and then the plate/pcb would sit "higher" in the case, making it more of a mid/low profile look with switches being exposed and giving some keycap upskirts.

Also, the official GB banner looks great, very clean! Much better than the quick and dirty hackjob I initially offered.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Tue, 01 May 2018, 22:25:11
In the initial IC, you had the 65% as a mid-profile. Is it going to be 'upgraded' to hi-profile like the rest of the cases?

Also, question for anyone reading: does anyone have any good suggestions for PCBs that have south-facing LEDs? The Tada68 board has north-facing LEDs, which causes cherry profile R3 caps to hit the top of the switch, creating an unpleasant sound. The M65 PCB has south facing, but it's sold out, and the other options seem to be sold out as well.

If not, I can use xda/dsa or something else I guess :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 02 May 2018, 04:12:46
It looks like if someone was especially paranoid about the screw they could just replace it with a shorter screw. Easy.
I don't believe you could easily just use a shorter screw in that one place. The picture shows it with the standoff/spacer in place that sets the distance/depth of the entire plate/pcb assembly. After you stack on the plate, there is a nut that then threads on to secure it in place, and that nut sits flush with the end of the screw from other pics (in one of the 3 sample build galleries it is shown clearly). If you wanted shorter screw, you might compromise the security of that nut being properly threaded, so you would potentially have to adjust spacers (all of them, to keep it level) as well as all the screws, and then the plate/pcb would sit "higher" in the case, making it more of a mid/low profile look with switches being exposed and giving some keycap upskirts.

yes, you explained it very well. if you can take shorter or longer screws - but you would have to use shorter or longer standoffs then as well. you can basically adjust how deep the plate (together with switches and PCB) sinks into the frame.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 02 May 2018, 04:21:44
In the initial IC, you had the 65% as a mid-profile. Is it going to be 'upgraded' to hi-profile like the rest of the cases?

not like the old prototype. will be high profile, just like the other SKBs.
back then I liked the idea of lower profiles or floating keys. but since then a lot has changed, don't like it anymore myself, high profile all the way now :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 02 May 2018, 04:29:04
Also, question for anyone reading: does anyone have any good suggestions for PCBs that have south-facing LEDs? The Tada68 board has north-facing LEDs, which causes cherry profile R3 caps to hit the top of the switch, creating an unpleasant sound. The M65 PCB has south facing, but it's sold out, and the other options seem to be sold out as well.

If not, I can use xda/dsa or something else I guess :rolleyes:

switches in the wrong orientation? oh yes, this is something that extremely annoys me as well. the satan pcb which is in two of my builds is done in this fashion as well. but as far as I can tell cherry profile abs doubleshot keycaps (GMK) don't hit the switch housing. this only happens with very thick pbt keycas and only some of a set. enjoy pbt for example, only on some modifier keys.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Waven on Wed, 02 May 2018, 05:30:03

Also, question for anyone reading: does anyone have any good suggestions for PCBs that have south-facing LEDs? The Tada68 board has north-facing LEDs, which causes cherry profile R3 caps to hit the top of the switch, creating an unpleasant sound. The M65 PCB has south facing, but it's sold out, and the other options seem to be sold out as well.


It looks like Keyclack has M65-A pcbs in stock:
https://www.keyclack.com/product/m65apcb
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: mkarlsson on Wed, 02 May 2018, 06:35:41
Also, question for anyone reading: does anyone have any good suggestions for PCBs that have south-facing LEDs? The Tada68 board has north-facing LEDs, which causes cherry profile R3 caps to hit the top of the switch, creating an unpleasant sound. The M65 PCB has south facing, but it's sold out, and the other options seem to be sold out as well.

If not, I can use xda/dsa or something else I guess :rolleyes:

Maybe the winkeyless.kr 22mini b?

https://winkeyless.kr/product/22mini-b-x2-pcb/
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 02 May 2018, 10:14:09
Also, question for anyone reading: does anyone have any good suggestions for PCBs that have south-facing LEDs? The Tada68 board has north-facing LEDs, which causes cherry profile R3 caps to hit the top of the switch, creating an unpleasant sound. The M65 PCB has south facing, but it's sold out, and the other options seem to be sold out as well.

If not, I can use xda/dsa or something else I guess :rolleyes:

switches in the wrong orientation? oh yes, this is something that extremely annoys me as well. the satan pcb which is in two of my builds is done in this fashion as well. but as far as I can tell cherry profile abs doubleshot keycaps (GMK) don't hit the switch housing. this only happens with very thick pbt keycas and only some of a set. enjoy pbt for example, only on some modifier keys.

Is the north-facing LED issue still an actual current issue? I feel like this was an issue a while ago, but there are now smaller/more compact LED sizes that do not interfere like the older standard LED sizes.
Quote
"Cherry MX switches are made for flangeless 3mm LEDs; 2x3x4mm LEDs work too, as well as 1.8mm LEDs." is from a quick search I found in this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62943.msg1475318#msg1475318

The 2x3x4 and 1.8mm LEDs now available are both suggested options for under-switch LEDs for the Kailh Box designed switches (tightly mounted/soldered to PCB to fit switch over), which is a very small/tight tolerance/clearance. I would surmise those LED sizes would not have the issues that started the whole north-facing LED conflict with Cherry profile r3 switches. It's an old out-dated issue, IMO, and keeps recirculating without much basis nowadays.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Wed, 02 May 2018, 11:06:08
The 2x3x4 and 1.8mm LEDs now available are both suggested options for under-switch LEDs for the Kailh Box designed switches (tightly mounted/soldered to PCB to fit switch over), which is a very small/tight tolerance/clearance. I would surmise those LED sizes would not have the issues that started the whole north-facing LED conflict with Cherry profile r3 switches. It's an old out-dated issue, IMO, and keeps recirculating without much basis nowadays.
2x3x4 gives issues with cherry profile (tried it about a year ago). 1.8mm works fine.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Wed, 02 May 2018, 12:36:56
It’s an issue even without LEDs, but especially with 2x3x4 ones. Has to do with the switch orientation itself. If you’re using silent switches, it’s extremely noticeable. Tactile/clicks, much less so, since it’s already a symphony of clacks.

The issue is (depending how you label the rows) on the “tab” /QWERTY row.

So, either use a different profile keycap with silent switches, or cherry profile with tactile/clicks. The one combo that doesn’t work is silent + cherry profile.

Again, not the end of the world. Just was curious if anyone had other suggestions. Thanks for the boards that were suggested!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: hansichen on Wed, 02 May 2018, 13:16:11
I just tested it on my non led north facing silent black build with og cherry caps and I can't notice a real difference on my board
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 02 May 2018, 16:25:26
It’s an issue even without LEDs, but especially with 2x3x4 ones. Has to do with the switch orientation itself. If you’re using silent switches, it’s extremely noticeable. Tactile/clicks, much less so, since it’s already a symphony of clacks.

The issue is (depending how you label the rows) on the “tab” /QWERTY row.

So, either use a different profile keycap with silent switches, or cherry profile with tactile/clicks. The one combo that doesn’t work is silent + cherry profile.

Again, not the end of the world. Just was curious if anyone had other suggestions. Thanks for the boards that were suggested!

Interesting, will have to test it from my side, having never "naturally" running into this problem myself. I had presumed it would be the R3 row (how I count it, "caps lock" ASDF) that would interfere, given that it is the lowest and "flattest" row profile, giving the least clearance. Makes sense that the 2x3x4 would cause issue since it is so squared off and blocky.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Anakey on Wed, 02 May 2018, 17:16:38
there is always the option of putting the 2x3x4 LEDS actually inside the switches so they then will not interefere with the keycaps and will still allow the light through the gap or through the whole housing if it is transparent.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 03 May 2018, 08:38:25
Did some new illustrations of the different versions (also see the imgur album (https://imgur.com/a/VO1tlX0)). SKB65 is already included there but I'm not jet ready to add it to the google order form. Hope the option will be ready by the end of this week.
(https://i.imgur.com/Drr1nYi.png) (https://i.imgur.com/L0U2OPa.png)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 03 May 2018, 09:11:32
Did some new illustrations of the different versions (also see the imgur album (https://imgur.com/a/UI2aou2)). SKB65 is already included there but I'm not jet ready to add it to the google order form. Hope the option will be ready by the end of this week.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Drr1nYi.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/L0U2OPa.png)


Beautiful work :-*
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 03 May 2018, 09:47:30
Did some new illustrations of the different versions (also see the imgur album (https://imgur.com/a/UI2aou2)). SKB65 is already included there but I'm not jet ready to add it to the google order form. Hope the option will be ready by the end of this week.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Drr1nYi.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/L0U2OPa.png)


Beautiful work :-*

Thanks, happy to hear that, especially coming from you  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 04 May 2018, 05:52:11
UPDATE (regarding prices):

Just wanted to let you all know, that there are over 100 orders now (⁓110). That means the lowest price point is unlocked. We are past 100 since some time now already but the reason I didn't let you know this until now was because I didn't ever expect to reach this number and therefore the prices for 100+ were a rough estimate. So I had to get new prices in order to check if I can actually keep the announced prices for 100+. This took time. Now I can tell you, that the prices for 100+ are correct! So we are now at:
128€ for all SKB60 versions
145€ for the SKB75

The SKB65 will be 138€, I still need some more time before I can add it to the order form (checking out if it's possible to offer you a PCB along with it).

Also good news for everyone who ordered an extra plate. They are 30€ right now but they will get cheaper. I'll try to offer extra plates as cheap as possible, closer to 20€. Next week I will be able to name the exact price and then update it in the order form.

Just to be prepared I will calculate another price point for 150+ units. Will take me at least another week before I can update you on that.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 04 May 2018, 05:54:52
UPDATE (regarding the coating of the plates):

Like I told you I wasn't happy with the thickness of the powder-coating. Switches have to snap nicely into the cutouts of course and with powder-coating this can not be guaranteed evenly throughout all parts/cutouts. This is why I was exploring other methods. The solution is black galvanizing. This guarantees a super thin layer and it looks really nice.
Of course I could have just said "hey, **** the coating, I'll just leave the plates blank" but NO! The fact that the plate is black and doesn't reflect through the gaps between the caps is very important to me and it makes a huge difference imo.
I'm trying to get another sample, not sure if I can manage to get it soon.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Fri, 04 May 2018, 08:23:23
You might check out Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) and Cerakote.  Both are known for dimensionally thin coatings where part tolerance is critical.  They're also probably an order of magnitude more expensive than typical powder coat, however.   :-[

Cerakote is notoriously expensive.

Edit: For what it's worth, I'd be perfectly content with a nice powder coat.  The Cherry MX cutout should allow for a tolerance of 0.004 inches, which is well within the limits of most powder coats on metal (60-80 microns).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 May 2018, 13:07:37
You might check out Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) and Cerakote.  Both are known for dimensionally thin coatings where part tolerance is critical.  They're also probably an order of magnitude more expensive than typical powder coat, however.   :-[

Cerakote is notoriously expensive.

Edit: For what it's worth, I'd be perfectly content with a nice powder coat.  The Cherry MX cutout should allow for a tolerance of 0.004 inches, which is well within the limits of most powder coats on metal (60-80 microns).

pvd is the expensive one, all the cerakote quotes i got for 1 color were about equal with the ones i got for powdercoating
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TheMilkmen on Fri, 04 May 2018, 14:06:32
I absolutely love this case and have the money to get a 60%, except for that God awful shipping price to the US. I'd most likely be in for this if there was a better shipping option or a US proxy by chance, but either way I love this design and good luck moving further!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 May 2018, 14:15:49
I absolutely love this case and have the money to get a 60%, except for that God awful shipping price to the US. I'd most likely be in for this if there was a better shipping option or a US proxy by chance, but either way I love this design and good luck moving further!

it's no worse than the price of any other case shipping to US

if it hits 100 MOQ (a think that i am confident of ) then it's 200USD shipped, which is a ****ing bargain

and even at 40 MOQ it's 240 USD shipped, which is cheaper than any top mount case i've ever seen
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 04 May 2018, 14:24:01
I absolutely love this case and have the money to get a 60%, except for that God awful shipping price to the US. I'd most likely be in for this if there was a better shipping option or a US proxy by chance, but either way I love this design and good luck moving further!

Hey thanks!

The 40€ pricing I mention in start post are a bit of a downer for US people, that's true. But the most orders from a single country come from the US - by far. There is also the 16€ option that I haven't mentioned in the start post (also see some discussion about this a few pages back). Also some have contacted me offering help regarding proxy shipping to the US. The shipping is something I will work out later (and of course more detailed before the payment phase) but I can tell you that I will find a way to work out a shipping solution for the US that is much more affordable than 40€ - promised!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 04 May 2018, 22:41:01
I absolutely love this case and have the money to get a 60%, except for that God awful shipping price to the US. I'd most likely be in for this if there was a better shipping option or a US proxy by chance, but either way I love this design and good luck moving further!

Hey thanks!

The 40€ pricing I mention in start post are a bit of a downer for US people, that's true. But the most orders from a single country come from the US - by far. There is also the 16€ option that I haven't mentioned in the start post (also see some discussion about this a few pages back). Also some have contacted me offering help regarding proxy shipping to the US. The shipping is something I will work out later (and of course more detailed before the payment phase) but I can tell you that I will find a way to work out a shipping solution for the US that is much more affordable than 40€ - promised!

Awesome, on both the quantity of orders and the potential for proxy/lower cost shipping options to USA! Still planning on cross-listing this on r/mk & r/mechmarket? I feel like you could easily get another 50 orders from that alone, especially with all the new artwork and body of images/renders you have amassed at this point!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: blighty on Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:28:09
I absolutely love this case and have the money to get a 60%, except for that God awful shipping price to the US. I'd most likely be in for this if there was a better shipping option or a US proxy by chance, but either way I love this design and good luck moving further!

Hey thanks!

The 40€ pricing I mention in start post are a bit of a downer for US people, that's true. But the most orders from a single country come from the US - by far. There is also the 16€ option that I haven't mentioned in the start post (also see some discussion about this a few pages back). Also some have contacted me offering help regarding proxy shipping to the US. The shipping is something I will work out later (and of course more detailed before the payment phase) but I can tell you that I will find a way to work out a shipping solution for the US that is much more affordable than 40€ - promised!

Hopefully we will have an option to not use a proxy as well.  I personally don't think saving $20 is worth the extra weeks it would take the proxy to receive and ship (or not ship, due to "personal issues") the kits. 
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: kim-kim on Sun, 06 May 2018, 06:17:35
UPDATE (regarding prices):

Just wanted to let you all know, that there are over 100 orders now (⁓110). That means the lowest price point is unlocked. We are past 100 since some time now already but the reason I didn't let you know this until now was because I didn't ever expect to reach this number and therefore the prices for 100+ were a rough estimate. So I had to get new prices in order to check if I can actually keep the announced prices for 100+. This took time. Now I can tell you, that the prices for 100+ are correct! So we are now at:
128€ for all SKB60 versions
145€ for the SKB75

The SKB65 will be 138€, I still need some more time before I can add it to the order form (checking out if it's possible to offer you a PCB along with it).

Also good news for everyone who ordered an extra plate. They are 30€ right now but they will get cheaper. I'll try to offer extra plates as cheap as possible, closer to 20€. Next week I will be able to name the exact price and then update it in the order form.

Just to be prepared I will calculate another price point for 150+ units. Will take me at least another week before I can update you on that.

does SKB60 ortho version pass the MOQ? Just want to know  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 06 May 2018, 09:44:42
Still planning on cross-listing this on r/mk & r/mechmarket? I feel like you could easily get another 50 orders from that alone, especially with all the new artwork and body of images/renders you have amassed at this point!

YES, still this applies (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2596068#msg2596068). So not before I hold new parts in my hands that prove to me all details are fine. Only then I will make the reddit post.

Timeline:
- get new parts
- if fine, then reddit
- then payment

I will not start collecting your money before I can assure everything works out as expected. Even if that means pushing back payment phase another two weeks - which I don't hope for.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 06 May 2018, 09:49:36
Hopefully we will have an option to not use a proxy as well.  I personally don't think saving $20 is worth the extra weeks it would take the proxy to receive and ship (or not ship, due to "personal issues") the kits.

you won't be forced to go via proxy.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 06 May 2018, 09:53:21
does SKB60 ortho version pass the MOQ? Just want to know  ;)

eight orders for ortho so far. we need at least ten, that is the absolute minimum.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: aydio on Sun, 06 May 2018, 11:56:08
does SKB60 ortho version pass the MOQ? Just want to know  ;)

eight orders for ortho so far. we need at least ten, that is the absolute minimum.

Chipped in as well - don't make me consider building a third OLKB so we can meet the MOQ  :)) kidding aside, I'd be heartbroken if we don't hit the MOQ, especially since it's so difficult to find cases that perfectly fit the XD75. I really need to get rid of the KPRepublic steel case, doesn't look as nice as I had hoped. Also, who doesn't want a keyboard-turned panzer?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:14:03
does SKB60 ortho version pass the MOQ? Just want to know  ;)

eight orders for ortho so far. we need at least ten, that is the absolute minimum.

Chipped in as well - don't make me consider building a third OLKB so we can meet the MOQ  :)) kidding aside, I'd be heartbroken if we don't hit the MOQ, especially since it's so difficult to find cases that perfectly fit the XD75. I really need to get rid of the KPRepublic steel case, doesn't look as nice as I had hoped. Also, who doesn't want a keyboard-turned panzer?

Out of pure curiosity as a non-ortho user, why does it seem like Ortho layout boards are always flat angle/no incline? Is this because you guys ("You people!") are usually using flat-profile keycaps like XDA/DSA/3SA for layout compatibility? Or is it in tandem with the ethos that Ortho is better for ergonomics, and incline is also bad for ergonomics?

I'm just thinking about the relatively newer GBs for sculpted cherry-profile blanks (JTK Red Riot, GMK Mondrian), in tandem with the adjustable incline on the SKB case as being a relatively new set of options that might make it appealing to others who usually shy away from Ortho (myself included). It's becoming more clear that the SKB Ortho plate option is a unique option that isn't available anywhere else, period (top-mounted nowhere else, incline options limited to the few 60% cases that will fit the XD75 without interference).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Anakey on Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:44:41
i think the main reason why ortho boards tend to be flat is that they are designed to be very small and compact. If one were to put feet on it etc then it would compromise the travel in a back pocket go anywhare appeal of the ortho boards.  that said i myself have put the aluminium cone feet on my planck as i can't use a completely flat profile.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:52:52
UPDATE (regarding prices):

Just to be prepared I will calculate another price point for 150+ units. Will take me at least another week before I can update you on that.

Just popping by to say you're doing an amazing job with this project - I'm very glad it's going as well as it is and you definitely deserve the success it is seeing; the prices are extremely enticing as is and I'm expectant for the 150 unit price point that you're working on, getting it even lower than it already is will be pretty surreal.

Definitely in for YAS (which is a project I also hold dear) and I appreciate you not wanting to half ass the plate, it's important to me too.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: binnie on Mon, 07 May 2018, 01:54:31
I want to join this GB but I don't have any experience with importation (I live in USA). Would that 40 euro shipping estimation include import fees? Does DHL handle that kind of stuff? I think I have the money to spend on keyboard stuff right now but I just don't want to get shocked with customs charges when it arrives haha.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 07 May 2018, 02:18:19
I want to join this GB but I don't have any experience with importation (I live in USA). Would that 40 euro shipping estimation include import fees? Does DHL handle that kind of stuff? I think I have the money to spend on keyboard stuff right now but I just don't want to get shocked with customs charges when it arrives haha.

not a problem in USA, it doesn't cost enough to get customs charges

under 10k, no charges
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 07 May 2018, 06:27:55
found the time to export the order data. a list of all the orders so far. now you can check yours:
(http://i.imgur.com/EEbMmSd.jpg) (https://imgur.com/EEbMmSd)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tiydal on Mon, 07 May 2018, 11:34:55
Submitted my order for a 60, But ill change it to a 65 when you add that to the form.

Regarding PCB, could you use the tada PCB? or kbdfans is working on the yd68?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: macken on Mon, 07 May 2018, 19:09:46
Have been looklng for a nice case for a 75 and stumbled upon this one. And in the EU, so no extra cost with duties and vat. Think my Pulse caps are gonna love this.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Harms on Mon, 07 May 2018, 19:25:04
Changing my order to a 65 as well when the form is updated.

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 08 May 2018, 03:31:48
Regarding PCB, could you use the tada PCB? or kbdfans is working on the yd68?

Yes, the TADA fits perfectly fine. Basically any 65% PCB you can find will fit.

Here is a list of the 65% PCB options that are available:
- 65% RGB Underglow PCB from Sentraq (https://sentraq.com/products/65-rgb-underglow-pcb) (QMK, white PCB)
- M65-A PCB from Keyclack (https://www.keyclack.com/product/m65apcb) (QMK or PS2AVR, black PCB)
- Tada68 PCB from KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/65/products/tada68-pcn?variant=3201133346829) (QMK, white PCB)
- 22mini-B PCB from Winkeyless (https://winkeyless.kr/product/22mini-b-x2-pcb/) (PS2AVR, white PCB)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 08 May 2018, 03:32:51
Have been looklng for a nice case for a 75 and stumbled upon this one. And in the EU, so no extra cost with duties and vat. Think my Pulse caps are gonna love this.

I'm sure my pulse caps will love it as well ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tiydal on Tue, 08 May 2018, 03:40:26
Regarding PCB, could you use the tada PCB? or kbdfans is working on the yd68?

Yes, the TADA fits perfectly fine. Basically any 65% PCB you can find will fit.

Here is a list of the 65% PCB options that are available:
- 65% RGB Underglow PCB from Sentraq (https://sentraq.com/products/65-rgb-underglow-pcb) (QMK, white PCB)
- M65-A PCB from Keyclack (https://www.keyclack.com/product/m65apcb) (QMK or PS2AVR, black PCB)
- Tada68 PCB from KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/65/products/tada68-pcn?variant=3201133346829) (QMK, white PCB)
- 22mini-B PCB from Winkeyless (https://winkeyless.kr/product/22mini-b-x2-pcb/) (PS2AVR, white PCB)

Okay thanks! When the form is updated I will also update my order to the 65. Thanks.


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 08 May 2018, 04:42:35
Okay thanks! When the form is updated I will also update my order to the 65. Thanks.

I suggest you take a look at the form now ;)

Regarding changes of your orders:
If you have already filled out the form and later want to change your version or add one, then please just fill it out again but with the complete order. So if you had ordered an HHKB version for example and you want a second one, then please don't add another order with ONE HHKB. Instead fill out the form with TWO HHKB orders. I can spot double entries and I will just delete your older form entries and just keep the last/youngest submission.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tiydal on Tue, 08 May 2018, 04:48:08
Okay thanks! When the form is updated I will also update my order to the 65. Thanks.

I suggest you take a look at the form now ;)

Regarding changes of your orders:
If you have already filled out the form and later want to change your version or add one, then please just fill it out again but with the complete order. So if you had ordered an HHKB version for example and you want a second one, then please don't add another order with ONE HHKB. Instead fill out the form with TWO HHKB orders. I can spot double entries and I will just delete your older form entries and just keep the last/youngest submission.

Haha I actually noticed the form before you posted and have already done it!

What will the 65 plate look like? Ideally I’d prefer it to be like plate a or the 75 plate, without the huge long opening across the 1st row.




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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 08 May 2018, 04:56:05
What will the 65 plate look like? Ideally I’d prefer it to be like plate a or the 75 plate, without the huge long opening across the 1st row.

That is one reason I hadn't put up the 65% jet - just no time to make the plate info picture and new renderings. You can see the plate in the form. The SKB75 plate has the cutouts because the new KBDfans PCB supports split spacebar. The plate of the SKB75 supports this of course. The available 65% PCBs don't offer split spacebar support so the SKB65 plate doesn't either.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Tue, 08 May 2018, 05:31:52
The available 65% PCBs don't offer split spacebar support so the SKB65 plate doesn't either.

The M65-A has split spacebar support, according to its product page
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tiydal on Tue, 08 May 2018, 05:35:04
What will the 65 plate look like? Ideally I’d prefer it to be like plate a or the 75 plate, without the huge long opening across the 1st row.

That is one reason I hadn't put up the 65% jet - just no time to make the plate info picture and new renderings. You can see the plate in the form. The SKB75 plate has the cutouts because the new KBDfans PCB supports split spacebar. The plate of the SKB75 supports this of course. The available 65% PCBs don't offer split spacebar support so the SKB65 plate doesn't either.

Thanks I like the look of that plate. I think making the bottom support split space makes the bottom too empty.

I have no statistics but I imagine the quantity of people who wold buy a split space 65% is rather small.


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 08 May 2018, 06:13:14
The M65-A has split spacebar support, according to its product page

You're right, it does:

(https://i.imgur.com/PuRL9U9.png)

If some of you actually plan to build their SKB65 with split spacebar, I will change the plate to support it. Let me know.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 08 May 2018, 06:16:42
I have no statistics but I imagine the quantity of people who wold buy a split space 65% is rather small.

I have. About 30% of the participants plan to build with split spacebar.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tiydal on Tue, 08 May 2018, 06:19:19
I have no statistics but I imagine the quantity of people who wold buy a split space 65% is rather small.

I have. About 30% of the participants plan to build with split spacebar.

I don’t know if 30% is a small, I suppose it depends how you quantify small.

I think the split space plate makes the bottom row really gapped, but I wouldn’t mind it being added if it would please people.


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Tue, 08 May 2018, 06:25:50
One you start using split spacebar, there is no going back :D atleast for me.

I won't get the 65%, so don't mind me, but I would argue having the plate support it will just open up more options for people. Is there a major downside to supporting it?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tiydal on Tue, 08 May 2018, 06:30:38
One you start using split spacebar, there is no going back :D atleast for me.

I won't get the 65%, so don't mind me, but I would argue having the plate support it will just open up more options for people. Is there a major downside to supporting it?

Im not 100%, I think its just the bigger cuts outs on the plate, which means you see more pcb; making it less aesthetically pleasing.

As I said though, if it makes people happy, go for it.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 08 May 2018, 06:32:09
I won't get the 65%, so don't mind me, but I would argue having the plate support it will just open up more options for people. Is there a major downside to supporting it?

I don't think there is any downside to the slightly larger cutout for split spacebar support.

Im not 100%, I think its just the bigger cuts outs on the plate, which means you see more pcb; making it less aesthetically pleasing.

If you have a white PCB that may be true.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: BerserkZz on Tue, 08 May 2018, 14:43:09
I'm planning to sell a yas62 pcb with silver alu plate for 60 shipped. If anyone is interested, pm me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tiydal on Tue, 08 May 2018, 14:46:36
I'm planning to sell a yas62 pcb with silver alu plate for 60 shipped. If anyone is interested, pm me.

I don’t think this is the right thread to peddle your wears.

Go to the specific forum section for that


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 09 May 2018, 19:04:12
W̶a̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶e̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶?̶ It does, found better pics

O̶P̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶i̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶C̶B̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶

Also, are low profile screws an option? The button ones aren't pretty.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 09 May 2018, 19:32:54
W̶a̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶e̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶?̶ It does, found better pics

O̶P̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶i̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶C̶B̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶

Also, are low profile screws an option? The button ones aren't pretty.

The main post states that it comes with flat-head/low-profile AND button-head screws.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 09 May 2018, 20:13:33
W̶a̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶e̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶?̶ It does, found better pics

O̶P̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶i̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶C̶B̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶

Also, are low profile screws an option? The button ones aren't pretty.

The main post states that it comes with flat-head/low-profile AND button-head screws.

And so it does. Thanks haha.

Now to decide which to get, 60% or 75%. Someone help me out, as I am at an impass as for which one to get. I quite like the 75% layout, but already have one. The 60% just is nice and small and clean and compatible though, but this is a unique case, so I might as well get a unique layout.. UGH. Help me decide pls ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Electrum on Wed, 09 May 2018, 20:17:24
W̶a̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶e̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶?̶ It does, found better pics

O̶P̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶i̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶C̶B̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶

Also, are low profile screws an option? The button ones aren't pretty.

The main post states that it comes with flat-head/low-profile AND button-head screws.

And so it does. Thanks haha.

Now to decide which to get, 60% or 75%. Someone help me out, as I am at an impass as for which one to get. I quite like the 75% layout, but already have one. The 60% just is nice and small and clean and compatible though, but this is a unique case, so I might as well get a unique layout.. UGH. Help me decide pls ;)

Middle ground, 65%
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 09 May 2018, 20:36:17
W̶a̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶e̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶?̶ It does, found better pics

O̶P̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶i̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶C̶B̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶

Also, are low profile screws an option? The button ones aren't pretty.

The main post states that it comes with flat-head/low-profile AND button-head screws.

And so it does. Thanks haha.

Now to decide which to get, 60% or 75%. Someone help me out, as I am at an impass as for which one to get. I quite like the 75% layout, but already have one. The 60% just is nice and small and clean and compatible though, but this is a unique case, so I might as well get a unique layout.. UGH. Help me decide pls ;)

Middle ground, 65%

If only it were that easy. The allure of 75 is the function keys.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 09 May 2018, 20:50:02
If you aren't familiar or comfortable with 60%, committing to a custom case for one isn't really wise, IMO. 75% customs are fewer and far between, and I'm a 75% lover so I'd make the case (ha) to go with the 75%.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 09 May 2018, 22:16:29
If you aren't familiar or comfortable with 60%, committing to a custom case for one isn't really wise, IMO. 75% customs are fewer and far between, and I'm a 75% lover so I'd make the case (ha) to go with the 75%.

I have a Pok3r and a really nice 75%, so I'm comfy with both.. I'm leaning towards a 75 but something is just telling me to get an endgame 60% outta this.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: C7Kinetic on Wed, 09 May 2018, 22:41:10
W̶a̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶e̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶?̶ It does, found better pics

O̶P̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶i̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶C̶B̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶

Also, are low profile screws an option? The button ones aren't pretty.

The main post states that it comes with flat-head/low-profile AND button-head screws.

And so it does. Thanks haha.

Now to decide which to get, 60% or 75%. Someone help me out, as I am at an impass as for which one to get. I quite like the 75% layout, but already have one. The 60% just is nice and small and clean and compatible though, but this is a unique case, so I might as well get a unique layout.. UGH. Help me decide pls ;)

the YAS62 option is a pretty unique layout imo.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 09 May 2018, 23:11:00
W̶a̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶e̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶?̶ It does, found better pics

O̶P̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶i̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶C̶B̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶

Also, are low profile screws an option? The button ones aren't pretty.

The main post states that it comes with flat-head/low-profile AND button-head screws.

And so it does. Thanks haha.

Now to decide which to get, 60% or 75%. Someone help me out, as I am at an impass as for which one to get. I quite like the 75% layout, but already have one. The 60% just is nice and small and clean and compatible though, but this is a unique case, so I might as well get a unique layout.. UGH. Help me decide pls ;)

the YAS62 option is a pretty unique layout imo.

Not a fan of the bottom row. I do admit it is a sick layout. Might just buy both and sell one later. I'm sure these will hold/gain value.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Harms on Thu, 10 May 2018, 02:09:13
W̶a̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶e̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶e̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶?̶ It does, found better pics

O̶P̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶i̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶P̶C̶B̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶

Also, are low profile screws an option? The button ones aren't pretty.

The main post states that it comes with flat-head/low-profile AND button-head screws.

And so it does. Thanks haha.

Now to decide which to get, 60% or 75%. Someone help me out, as I am at an impass as for which one to get. I quite like the 75% layout, but already have one. The 60% just is nice and small and clean and compatible though, but this is a unique case, so I might as well get a unique layout.. UGH. Help me decide pls ;)

the YAS62 option is a pretty unique layout imo.

Not a fan of the bottom row. I do admit it is a sick layout. Might just buy both and sell one later. I'm sure these will hold/gain value.
I think the YAS62 is a sick layout as well. It is unique too.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Thu, 10 May 2018, 03:25:02
Just joined for the 65%


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: 112227 on Thu, 10 May 2018, 04:30:15
I just signed up for a YAS62 kit, but could not remember if I signed up for a WKL earler in April. can you check, and if so, cancel the WKL order?

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 10 May 2018, 09:19:28
I just signed up for a YAS62 kit, but could not remember if I signed up for a WKL earler in April. can you check, and if so, cancel the WKL order?

Regarding changes of your orders:
If you have already filled out the form and later want to change your version or add one, then please just fill it out again but with the complete order. So if you had ordered an HHKB version for example and you want a second one, then please don't add another order with ONE HHKB. Instead fill out the form with TWO HHKB orders. I can spot double entries and I will just delete your older form entries and just keep the last/youngest submission.

FYI - If you have a double-entry, the most recent entry will overwrite the older one, if it is there.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: macken on Thu, 10 May 2018, 10:07:49
Have joined for a 75.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:04:42
I just signed up for a YAS62 kit, but could not remember if I signed up for a WKL earler in April. can you check, and if so, cancel the WKL order?

Regarding changes of your orders:
If you have already filled out the form and later want to change your version or add one, then please just fill it out again but with the complete order. So if you had ordered an HHKB version for example and you want a second one, then please don't add another order with ONE HHKB. Instead fill out the form with TWO HHKB orders. I can spot double entries and I will just delete your older form entries and just keep the last/youngest submission.

FYI - If you have a double-entry, the most recent entry will overwrite the older one, if it is there.

What can you tell me about the acoustics of this type of case vs a tray mount? Better or worse for vint blacks in your opinion?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: child on Thu, 10 May 2018, 14:02:54
Could someone explain to me why top mount is generally considered superior to tray mount? All my keyboards so far are tray mount only.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 10 May 2018, 14:14:20
Could someone explain to me why top mount is generally considered superior to tray mount? All my keyboards so far are tray mount only.

Wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: mkarlsson on Thu, 10 May 2018, 14:53:06
I am one of those that think that tray mounted cases sound and feels better but need to do some more boards to have a final statement. I have the feeling that all the different materials used for plates (brass, pc, cf, half plates) in the end are looking for the feeling that a good tray mounted case gives. This is just a feeling/thought. I am in the process of doing a tray mounted case for myself, we will see...
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: kekstee on Thu, 10 May 2018, 15:03:52
Generally a board where the plate is mounted to the case at the sides is much more well behaved than a tray mount where the PCB gets mounted to the bottom case. Those standoffs create rigid connections for the key force to travel through the PCB into the case, diminishing the influence of plate and PCB behaviour and changing the sound and feel depending on where you are on the keyboard. A top/case mounted board will be less bendy since the plate is fixed better in place around the edges, while still allowing for more dampening influence of the plate/PCB construction for sound and type feel.

How does this particular construction fare? It would be nice if I had a few quiet hours with one of these on my desk, but from all the protos I've seen so far it's a very solid and well built board which sounds the part.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 14 May 2018, 10:47:19
Top-mount vs tray-mount - I think this doesn't belong here into this GB thread but let me just quickly give you my opinion on this.
To me tray-mount is nothing but an uninspired way to make it cheaper. These few scattered mini screws which hold the PCB and leave the plate floating can't be called a proper construction imo. Yes, top-mounting will always require some space around the caps area -> bezel. With tray mount you can get a very small bezel or even do without one entirely. It is cheaper of course because you only need one part compared to two for a top-mount construction. This basically cuts the cost in half. Apart from that I don't see any advantage.

Though I will always be thankful for my poker keyboards and keep them, since they mark the beginning of my involvement with the keyboard community.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 14 May 2018, 10:47:53
UPDATE (regarding the plates and split spacebar support):
Gave the 65% plate split support as well. Btw I checked all the plates again for mistakes. I couldn't tell for sure which versions of the KBD75 are out there supporting which split spacebar version. On the KBDfans homepage (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/pcb/products/kbdfans-75-pcb-75) it says V2 supports "2.25 | 1.25 | 2.75" but I also found a picture (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/707mlb/kbd75_split/) which shows "2.75 | 1.25 | 2.25". I simply decided to support both split spacebar variations. Now ALL plates support these two:
- 2.25 | 1.25 | 2.75
- 2.75 | 1.25 | 2.25

See the updated the plate/layout illustrations (https://imgur.com/a/s0dGejM).

This all takes time, much more than I'd like.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 14 May 2018, 10:52:51
UPDATE (regarding your orders):
lately not many new orders are coming in. But a lot of you want to change the order and switch to another version or add one. Sounds simple but takes time as well.

This still applies:
If you have already filled out the form and later want to change your version or add one, then please just fill it out again but with the complete order. So if you had ordered an HHKB version for example and you want a second one, then please don't add another order with ONE HHKB. Instead fill out the form with TWO HHKB orders. I can spot double entries and I will just delete your older form entries and just keep the last/youngest submission.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 14 May 2018, 10:54:56
UPDATE (regarding PLATE-B):

the worst performing kit so far is SKB60-Standard with plate-B with only 6 orders. This kit is only necessary if you plan to go for a layout with the arrow-cluster squeezed into the standard 60%. The layout with lots of 1U keys in bottom right, possible with Banana or DZ60 PCB for example. I combined this layout with the YAS layouts into PLATE-B. But there are far more YAS orders and I feel it would be nice to give the YAS a nicer plate and therefore drop support for the before mentioned layout completely. So sorry for the six ones who ordered the "SKB60-Standard with plate-B" kit. I'll PM them soon and ask if they want to switch or drop out.

For all YAS orders this means, that you will become a dedicated YAS-only plate.

See the updated the plate/layout illustrations (https://imgur.com/a/s0dGejM).

Sorry for the dropped layout but only six orders don't justify it.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 14 May 2018, 10:58:35
I like the updates, Yay!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/pcpYFiDF1lmYo/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 14 May 2018, 13:17:00
UPDATE (regarding your orders):
lately not many new orders are coming in. But a lot of you want to change the order and switch to another version or add one. Sounds simple but takes time as well.

I think you will see another bump/surge of new orders once you get plate finishing/samples resolved and you move forward with promotion posts on rmk/mechmarket, but it seems like all case and plate variants have hit reasonable MOQ by now (aside from the 60-b plate you already addressed), unless Ortho75 still too low?

Also update GB post title with something to indicate final changes (for example: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR) - FINALIZED UPDATE).

Maybe interest in 60-b plate layout will increase with the final GB update/cross-site promotion posts?

Just suggestions - you are doing an incredible job with communication and updates to the process, and your attention to detail is very reassuring. I look forward to you taking my money when you are ready :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: aydio on Mon, 14 May 2018, 16:34:49
Quote
unless Ortho75 still too low
Oh god please no  :-[ any update on order count for the ortho plate?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Anakin9310 on Mon, 14 May 2018, 17:53:17
Would you be fine with shipping to a proxy?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pon10 on Tue, 15 May 2018, 01:17:44
Any chance of seeing a pic with a SA set on it? :) only if possible :thumb:
I am just really curious how much more nice it will be with the 3mm sink in.

Still plans for the 65?  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 15 May 2018, 01:47:32
gotta cancel, sorry

sent PM explaining

bummed i gotta miss out on this, but sometimes that's how **** goes
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 15 May 2018, 03:32:21
I think you will see another bump/surge of new orders once you get plate finishing/samples resolved and you move forward with promotion posts on rmk/mechmarket, but it seems like all case and plate variants have hit reasonable MOQ by now (aside from the 60-b plate you already addressed), unless Ortho75 still too low?

Also update GB post title with something to indicate final changes (for example: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR) - FINALIZED UPDATE).

yes, reddit post will come, but still not ready for it.
will also update the start post here soon, regarding SKB65, still haven't done new renderings to show it.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 15 May 2018, 03:34:58
Any chance of seeing a pic with a SA set on it? :) only if possible :thumb:
I am just really curious how much more nice it will be with the 3mm sink in.

Still plans for the 65?  :cool:

SKB65 is happening! already added to the order form, mentioned a few times already ;)
I just haven't advertised it jet and updated the start post regarding the added version.
Take a look at the order form, you can already order it.

SA set, will try to make that happen.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 15 May 2018, 03:49:32
Would you be fine with shipping to a proxy?

yes, this came up a few times already and some offered me help regarding proxy.
just didn't have the time to deal with it jet.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 15 May 2018, 07:13:28
Quote
unless Ortho75 still too low
Oh god please no  :-[ any update on order count for the ortho plate?

don't worry, ortho will make it.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Starston3 on Tue, 15 May 2018, 10:33:04
Seeing as the SKB60 B Plate with arrow options (DZ60 PCB compatible) might be dropped due to low commits —  I might either back out, or go for the 65 with the LFK65 Hotswap PCB https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk65-hotswap.html
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: monkt on Tue, 15 May 2018, 13:17:00
Seeing as the SKB60 B Plate with arrow options (DZ60 PCB compatible) might be dropped due to low commits —  I might either back out, or go for the 65 with the LFK65 Hotswap PCB https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk65-hotswap.html (https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk65-hotswap.html)


Nice, I hadn't seen that before. Would that pcb definitely fit this case?
Are there any other hotswap boards that would work with these cases?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Starston3 on Tue, 15 May 2018, 13:43:18
Seeing as the SKB60 B Plate with arrow options (DZ60 PCB compatible) might be dropped due to low commits —  I might either back out, or go for the 65 with the LFK65 Hotswap PCB https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk65-hotswap.html (https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk65-hotswap.html)


Nice, I hadn't seen that before. Would that pcb definitely fit this case?
Are there any other hotswap boards that would work with these cases?

That PCB fits the M65-A, according to the plate layout for the SKB65, it should fit. I believe that the HS60 (https://mechboards.co.uk/shop/all/hs60-pcb/) might fit the SKB60 Plate A.

Another PCB would be M60 -A PCB, but the daughter board might be an issue so I don't recommend it. the GK61 might fit, but I don't recommend it as it doesn't use QMK or boot loader but something completely different, it's actually pretty bad.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: monkt on Tue, 15 May 2018, 14:38:39
Seeing as the SKB60 B Plate with arrow options (DZ60 PCB compatible) might be dropped due to low commits —  I might either back out, or go for the 65 with the LFK65 Hotswap PCB https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk65-hotswap.html (https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk65-hotswap.html)


Nice, I hadn't seen that before. Would that pcb definitely fit this case?
Are there any other hotswap boards that would work with these cases?

That PCB fits the M65-A, according to the plate layout for the SKB65, it should fit. I believe that the HS60 (https://mechboards.co.uk/shop/all/hs60-pcb/ (https://mechboards.co.uk/shop/all/hs60-pcb/)) might fit the SKB60 Plate A.

Another PCB would be M60 -A PCB, but the daughter board might be an issue so I don't recommend it. the GK61 might fit, but I don't recommend it as it doesn't use QMK or boot loader but something completely different, it's actually pretty bad.


Thank you. Appreciate it. This might be just what I need.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 15 May 2018, 15:54:09
Seeing as the SKB60 B Plate with arrow options (DZ60 PCB compatible) might be dropped due to low commits —  I might either back out, or go for the 65 with the LFK65 Hotswap PCB https://www.lfkeyboards.com/lfk65-hotswap.html

interesting, didn't know about this 65% pcb.
personally I'm not a big fan of hot-swap sockets. I like to properly solder my boards. if I want other switches, then I build a new one :)

compatibility with hot-swap-socket-pcbs has come up a few times already here in the GB and back in the IC. notice that these sockets are pretty thick. so at the lowest 6degree angle they would maybe hit the bottom, so it might not work. angle 8 and above are fine.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 15 May 2018, 15:58:36
Nice, I hadn't seen that before. Would that pcb definitely fit this case?
Are there any other hotswap boards that would work with these cases?

since this case is a top mount construction you don't need to worry about screw hole positions in the pcb at all. also the case is quite roomy on the inside :)
that means that basically any pcb will fit as long as it has the usb port at the standard left position.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 15 May 2018, 16:24:28
Nice, I hadn't seen that before. Would that pcb definitely fit this case?
Are there any other hotswap boards that would work with these cases?

since this case is a top mount construction you don't need to worry about screw hole positions in the pcb at all. also the case is quite roomy on the inside :)
that means that basically any pcb will fit as long as it has the usb port at the standard left position.

Would hotswap sockets mean that the PCB and plate can be separated on the fly as long as all the switches are removed beforehand? Would this make the top-mount less sturdy or something?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 15 May 2018, 16:36:15
Would hotswap sockets mean that the PCB and plate can be separated on the fly as long as all the switches are removed beforehand? Would this make the top-mount less sturdy or something?

interesting point and YES!
the pcb is only held by the solder joints to the switches.
going for a hot-swap-pcb won't make anything less sturdy. all the sturdiness comes from the case and the plate. these two itself are so rocksolid that not any kind of pcb will ever be able to in- or decrease sturdiness. the pcb just isn't part of this equation.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 18 May 2018, 15:58:07
UPDATE (renderings):

finally I had the time to make new renderings. Now showing all the different SKB versions, including the 65%.
Here is one:

(https://i.imgur.com/Ib4K1Gu.jpg)

The rest is on imgur (https://imgur.com/a/Tw6kH5G) again.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 18 May 2018, 16:16:37
UPDATE (one more sample / timeline):

hey, there are well over 100 orders now - so why haven't I still started the payment phase jet?
There are still some details I want to make sure that they will be fine throughout the production. To sort this out I will get another sample. A sample of the SKB75 this time. I'll still have it this month, will make another build and document it for you. With the pictures of the build I will finally also officially make a reddit GB post and by then I will have a new quote which will enable me to give you a new price point that is in reach. Then I'm comfortable to start the payment phase and soon after give the OK for the production.
So I estimate payment will start earliest by the end of this month.

Thanks for your patience, we're almost there ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Sat, 19 May 2018, 06:52:00
A sample of the SKB75 this time. I'll still have it this month, will make another build and document it for you.

Yay 75% love! Which pcb are you planning on using? I think the only pcb that had a bit of a question on it was the xd84 because of the chip on the bottom of the pcb possibly contacting the bottom on lowest case angle. On that note could you show what the case looks like when set at a steep/higher angle (~14°+), which is obviously not great comfort for many, but stiletto high heels aren't about being comfortable either and look great  :-\
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Sat, 19 May 2018, 09:57:37
So I estimate payment will start earliest by the end of this month.

Thanks for your patience, we're almost there ;)

That's what I was going to ask.  Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: kmfmppl on Sun, 20 May 2018, 04:21:26
Just to make sure: since payment phase is getting pushed back, does that mean ordering past today (20.) is possible as well?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: macken on Sun, 20 May 2018, 06:21:47
How do I confirm that the order I placed is registered? I did not get any confirmation after filling out the order form.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pon10 on Sun, 20 May 2018, 08:55:57
Nice man with getting the 75% samle in.. ( Hoping to see it with SA on )  And no rush finishing this up! How is the 65% doing? and if one would like to swap from 75 to 65? Great work with everything so far!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 20 May 2018, 13:54:11
UPDATE (regarding shipping):

Many of you asked if I could offer a cheaper shipping alternative. To the USA I only offered 40€ shipping so far. I chose this option because I wanted tracked shipping. I just spent some more time checking out the DHL options and it turns out I missed something before. The cheapest international (includes USA) option is 16€ and does not include tracking and insurance. BUT you can add tracking and insurance (only up to 50€ though) for additional 4€ to it. So this means 20€ is available as well now. This option allows up to 2kg. This means I can pack two SKBs and one or maybe even two extra plates in the package. The ∼40€ option allows for up to 5kg, that would mean at least five SKBs and extra plates. I made a table showing the available options. All prices include 1€ extra for packaging cost:

 

Destination  Option 1  Option 2
Germany  6€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 500€
  7€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
Europe
(including the UK)
  15€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 500€
  17€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
International
(most countries including USA)
  21€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 50€
  38€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
International
(some countries like Australia and Japan)
  21€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 50€
  47€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€

 

Information updated in the start post as well.

I will check out US proxy shipping, but only after I have the last sample ready, but still before payment of course.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 20 May 2018, 14:06:44
Yay 75% love! Which pcb are you planning on using? I think the only pcb that had a bit of a question on it was the xd84 because of the chip on the bottom of the pcb possibly contacting the bottom on lowest case angle. On that note could you show what the case looks like when set at a steep/higher angle (~14°+), which is obviously not great comfort for many, but stiletto high heels aren't about being comfortable either and look great  :-\

I'll use the kbdfans75, which I have two of laying around here since quite some time now.

I asked the seller how high the controller on the underside of the XD84 PCB (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/xd84-75-eepw84-Custom-Mechanical-Keyboard-Supports-TKG-TOOLS-Underglow-RGB-PCB-programmed-kle-Kimera-core/32819790747.html) is. He said 2mm, so this might even work with the lowest 6degree angle. Let's say the XD84 definitely works with 8degree and above.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 20 May 2018, 14:11:29
Just to make sure: since payment phase is getting pushed back, does that mean ordering past today (20.) is possible as well?

Yes, of course. Order phase is extended as well.

Thanks, just realized I forgot to update that in the timeline.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 20 May 2018, 14:14:50
How do I confirm that the order I placed is registered? I did not get any confirmation after filling out the order form.

Sorry, no confirmation mail gets send out.
I have your order, one SKB75.

I will post an updated list of all orders soon.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 20 May 2018, 14:22:36
Nice man with getting the 75% samle in.. ( Hoping to see it with SA on )  And no rush finishing this up! How is the 65% doing?

12 orders for the SKB65 so far.

and if one would like to swap from 75 to 65? Great work with everything so far!!  :thumb:

What do you mean by that? If you would like to swap your order or add to it, I still allow that - but not for much longer, let's say until the end of this month. Just do it like explained here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2608241#msg2608241), please. Short: just fill out the form again, I'll delete your old entry.

You should get what you want, right ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: line on Mon, 21 May 2018, 14:33:50
What are the numbers like for SKB60 at the moment? :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: monkt on Mon, 21 May 2018, 18:15:24
I have added another plate option to choose from. Now SKB60 is available with an ortholinear plate, which support the XD75 PCB (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/-/32831044551.html?spm=a2g0x.10010108.1000023.5.37ba4d4dlaJzIT) for example.


This links to the XD75am, I think. Does the hotswap version also fit this case? I think that one's the XD75re (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/xd75re-Custom-Mechanical-Keyboard-75-keys-TKG-TOOLS-Underglow-RGB-PCB-GH60-60-programmed-gh60-kle/32818745981.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.47c47fa3u102Ix&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10151_10065_10344_10130_10068_10324_10547_10342_10325_10546_10343_10340_10548_10341_10545_10696_10084_10083_10618_10307_10059_308_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_10814_10815,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_2&algo_expid=34cdb337-3f19-43e9-a1a0-009d27388037-0&algo_pvid=34cdb337-3f19-43e9-a1a0-009d27388037&priceBeautifyAB=0). I've read that the screw positions on the XD75re are unusually placed, but I'm not sure if that's true.


Also, if I wanted the option of doing an HHKB layout, in addition the ortho layout, I couldn't just get a separate plate for that--I'd have to get a different case, correct? Because of the different design with the blockers?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 22 May 2018, 00:33:15

This links to the XD75am, I think. Does the hotswap version also fit this case? I think that one's the XD75re (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/xd75re-Custom-Mechanical-Keyboard-75-keys-TKG-TOOLS-Underglow-RGB-PCB-GH60-60-programmed-gh60-kle/32818745981.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.47c47fa3u102Ix&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10151_10065_10344_10130_10068_10324_10547_10342_10325_10546_10343_10340_10548_10341_10545_10696_10084_10083_10618_10307_10059_308_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_10814_10815,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_2&algo_expid=34cdb337-3f19-43e9-a1a0-009d27388037-0&algo_pvid=34cdb337-3f19-43e9-a1a0-009d27388037&priceBeautifyAB=0). I've read that the screw positions on the XD75re are unusually placed, but I'm not sure if that's true.


Also, if I wanted the option of doing an HHKB layout, in addition the ortho layout, I couldn't just get a separate plate for that--I'd have to get a different case, correct? Because of the different design with the blockers?


Would hotswap sockets mean that the PCB and plate can be separated on the fly as long as all the switches are removed beforehand? Would this make the top-mount less sturdy or something?

interesting point and YES!
the pcb is only held by the solder joints to the switches.
going for a hot-swap-pcb won't make anything less sturdy. all the sturdiness comes from the case and the plate. these two itself are so rocksolid that not any kind of pcb will ever be able to in- or decrease sturdiness. the pcb just isn't part of this equation.

Someone else correctly pointed out the problem with hot-swappable PCBs when used with a case/plate like this, since the switch sockets' pressure fit on the switch pins will be needing to be strong enough to hold weight of PCB suspended from the plate, since there wouldn't be the fixed soldered joints for security. YMMV/TBD. Also, screwholes on PCB are irrelevant, only switches will be securing the PCB  to the top-mounted plate, as mentioned.

As for the Ortho & HHKB, you would need at least the matching plate AND matching case top. I don't know if anyone has asked PlastickSchnittstelle about that option yet, but the possibility of him deciding to sell additional tops without bottoms is his to decide, as I can only imagine how complex ordering, QC, and sorting a GB covering this many sizes and layouts already is. He's already proven to be paying attention to every detail of this ambitious first run, and has been very organized thus far, but a man may have his limits  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: monkt on Tue, 22 May 2018, 10:28:20
Someone else correctly pointed out the problem with hot-swappable PCBs when used with a case/plate like this, since the switch sockets' pressure fit on the switch pins will be needing to be strong enough to hold weight of PCB suspended from the plate, since there wouldn't be the fixed soldered joints for security. YMMV/TBD. Also, screwholes on PCB are irrelevant, only switches will be securing the PCB  to the top-mounted plate, as mentioned.

As for the Ortho & HHKB, you would need at least the matching plate AND matching case top. I don't know if anyone has asked PlastickSchnittstelle about that option yet, but the possibility of him deciding to sell additional tops without bottoms is his to decide, as I can only imagine how complex ordering, QC, and sorting a GB covering this many sizes and layouts already is. He's already proven to be paying attention to every detail of this ambitious first run, and has been very organized thus far, but a man may have his limits  :thumb:


There are a few things here I hadn't been aware of. Good to know. And thanks for the explanation!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 22 May 2018, 12:19:44
Someone else correctly pointed out the problem with hot-swappable PCBs when used with a case/plate like this, since the switch sockets' pressure fit on the switch pins will be needing to be strong enough to hold weight of PCB suspended from the plate, since there wouldn't be the fixed soldered joints for security. YMMV/TBD. Also, screwholes on PCB are irrelevant, only switches will be securing the PCB  to the top-mounted plate, as mentioned.

As for the Ortho & HHKB, you would need at least the matching plate AND matching case top. I don't know if anyone has asked PlastickSchnittstelle about that option yet, but the possibility of him deciding to sell additional tops without bottoms is his to decide, as I can only imagine how complex ordering, QC, and sorting a GB covering this many sizes and layouts already is. He's already proven to be paying attention to every detail of this ambitious first run, and has been very organized thus far, but a man may have his limits  :thumb:


There are a few things here I hadn't been aware of. Good to know. And thanks for the explanation!

Technically you could do HHKB layout with the ortho top, but the corner blockers would be open gabs showing the plate and pcb, or compromise the other way and have HHKB corner Blockered top which would prevent ortho layout having the corner keys.

Hot swap pcb may have enough grip on the switch pins to stay, but ultimately it's not necessarily as much of a convenience benefit as if it were a different plate mounting style since you basically pull the switches from the top and the pcb would fall inside the case.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pon10 on Wed, 23 May 2018, 06:54:05
Nice man with getting the 75% samle in.. ( Hoping to see it with SA on )  And no rush finishing this up! How is the 65% doing?

12 orders for the SKB65 so far.

and if one would like to swap from 75 to 65? Great work with everything so far!!  :thumb:

What do you mean by that? If you would like to swap your order or add to it, I still allow that - but not for much longer, let's say until the end of this month. Just do it like explained here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2608241#msg2608241), please. Short: just fill out the form again, I'll delete your old entry.

You should get what you want, right ;)

Thanks! and sorry haven't been following the tread to much..

I made a new entry for the 65%!

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 23 May 2018, 07:13:21
What are the numbers like for SKB60 at the moment? :)

Orders 05.23

16 SKB60-STD
09 SKB60-ORTHO
15 SKB60-WKL
20 SKB60-HHKB
27 SKB60-YAS
15 SKB65
43 SKB75
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: LordHellmchen on Thu, 24 May 2018, 10:35:38
So the 75 has its MOQ? Will you do it even if just one layout gets enough orders? I ordered a KBDfans PCB yesterday and just now realised that this is a GB and I probably should have waited until it realy started :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Anakey on Thu, 24 May 2018, 11:31:03
So the 75 has its MOQ? Will you do it even if just one layout gets enough orders? I ordered a KBDfans PCB yesterday and just now realised that this is a GB and I probably should have waited until it realy started :D

The MOQ was for all units combined, i think the 40 units were ppassed within the first couple of days.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: okidna on Thu, 24 May 2018, 11:39:47
The MOQ was for all units combined, i think the 40 units were ppassed within the first couple of days.

Also this :

well, MOQ is said 40, i meant overall, but it would be a disaster for me. prices were supposed to be higher but i got scared before posting that after all the time, interest might have faded so I went as low as possible to make it happen. also I haven't mentioned that every single version needs to be produced at least 10 times (which is crazy low, anybody who has a clue knows I can't make no profit with that). it looks like we get at least 10 for all versions, let's hope it will get more over time. 50 overall for the first 24h is good I guess.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 24 May 2018, 13:30:02
Also this :
...I haven't mentioned that every single version needs to be produced at least 10 times (which is crazy low, anybody who has a clue knows I can't make no profit with that). it looks like we get at least 10 for all versions, let's hope it will get more over time. ...

Orders 05.23

16 SKB60-STD
09 SKB60-ORTHO
15 SKB60-WKL
20 SKB60-HHKB
27 SKB60-YAS
15 SKB65
43 SKB75

Not knowing his specific costs but based on his explanation of actual/realistic MOQ, it appears that every version/layout is comfortably past the actual bare/break-even MOQ, with the exception of Ortho60 which is right on the cusp and could/should easily push past once finalized broadcast across RMK/mechmarket happens (IMO). I believe we are still waiting on him to receive/build SKB75 and get finalized satisfactory powder coating or alternative finishing on the plates. The extra time in the pre-invoice phase for samples/QC is welcome, since most GBs can be run much more shoddily and without the extra prep and guarantee of the final products.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 24 May 2018, 14:08:52
Yes, like Anakey, okidna and Zuology pointed out - MOQ is met. All versions (SKB60-STD, SKB60-ORTHO, SKB60-WKL, SKB60-HHKB, SKB60-YAS, SKB65, SKB75) will be made. So even Ortholinear. It shares all parts with the SKB60-STD, except the plate of course. There is at least one Ortho extra plate order so it made it as well.

A lot of questions that come up have already been answered in some kind of way, but I can understand that - I know, most of the time I haven't read through a whole thread myself before I post somewhere.
Btw I really appreciate Zuology's help on digging out the relevant quotes and help me answer recurring questions ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 24 May 2018, 14:21:37
I believe we are still waiting on him to receive/build SKB75 and get finalized satisfactory powder coating or alternative finishing on the plates. The extra time in the pre-invoice phase for samples/QC is welcome, since most GBs can be run much more shoddily and without the extra prep and guarantee of the final products.

That is correct - as soon as I have the SKB75 sample, I'll do a build again and equipped with this I will do an official RMK/mechmarket post.

Since we are well over 100 now I asked for a new quote as well. When I have that I will be able to name another price break point :)
I hope this news makes the wait a bit easier.

Btw, hadn't gotten any feedback regarding the update on the shipping cost (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2610962#msg2610962) - I thought this would be good news as well, right?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Anakey on Thu, 24 May 2018, 14:45:51
shipping costs look good, though as i am in the UK it would naturally be lower then USA etc. Looking forwards to the next break point so glad that this project has exceeded expectations given the amount of care and thoiught you have put into the project.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: aydio on Thu, 24 May 2018, 15:51:49
I didn't quite understand the discussion about the XD75re. Will the board fit in this case?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 24 May 2018, 16:49:00
Yes, like Anakey, okidna and Zuology pointed out - MOQ is met. All versions (SKB60-STD, SKB60-ORTHO, SKB60-WKL, SKB60-HHKB, SKB60-YAS, SKB65, SKB75) will be made. So even Ortholinear. It shares all parts with the SKB60-STD, except the plate of course. There is at least one Ortho extra plate order so it made it as well.

A lot of questions that come up have already been answered in some kind of way, but I can understand that - I know, most of the time I haven't read through a whole thread myself before I post somewhere.
Btw I really appreciate Zuology's help on digging out the relevant quotes and help me answer recurring questions ;)

I'm more than happy to help, and continued compliments on how you are handling the whole GB and past IC.  :thumb:

I believe we are still waiting on him to receive/build SKB75 and get finalized satisfactory powder coating or alternative finishing on the plates. The extra time in the pre-invoice phase for samples/QC is welcome, since most GBs can be run much more shoddily and without the extra prep and guarantee of the final products.

That is correct - as soon as I have the SKB75 sample, I'll do a build again and equipped with this I will do an official RMK/mechmarket post.

Since we are well over 100 now I asked for a new quote as well. When I have that I will be able to name another price break point :)
I hope this news makes the wait a bit easier.

Btw, hadn't gotten any feedback regarding the update on the shipping cost (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2610962#msg2610962) - I thought this would be good news as well, right?

As a US resident, the 20 euro option is great news! Thanks for researching this option. I know the standard $40-50 international shipping that comes standard with Asia-based GBs is common and accepted by most who are more "practiced" in how these things run, but with this lower cost option it will hopefully make this kit even more appealing to more buyers. The trade-off for the lower cost shipping is of course less insurance, but TBH I don't know how many people are actually going to be having their packages declared at true value/price for the sake of customs and taxes (where applicable). Tracking is the main thing IMO, unless others have actually been able to reclaim funds on goods damaged in transit in the past. From what I know it is a tedious process that yields minimal results.

Similar feedback on the potential new price break - Great! Lower cost, more appeal to more buyers!

This GB is already the antithesis of the standard small/limited run with one fixed size/format at high cost that doesn't decrease because they have fixed/capped MOQ. The fact that you continued to add new layouts and formats (Ortho and 65) after the initial IC based on interest and feedback is fantastic.  :thumb: :thumb:

I didn't quite understand the discussion about the XD75re. Will the board fit in this case?

The PCB will fit, but the benefit/upsides of hot-swap will not be as convenient because you will not have fixed solder connections to rely on keeping things nice and tight. Basically if you remove all the switches at once, the PCB will be completely detached, so you will need to swap only a few switches at a time to keep PCB in place while you swap. The PCB on a top-mount case is "floating" in a sense, only held in place by the switch pin connections. This means that the PCB is only as secure as the tightness of the sockets allows. It's not that it won't work, but it won't potentially be as good as a traditional soldered PCB. To my knowledge, all hot-swap PCBs to date have come with/as tray-mount (which could easily be considered "bottom mount"), where the PCB is mounted on standoffs, and screws come through the PCB and Plate to anchor it all together, making the whole assembly easier to hot-swap.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Thu, 24 May 2018, 18:18:26
Great to hear about the progress. Depending on the price break, I may be able to add a third case to my order. But then I'd have to use the more expensive shipping option, so I'll have to see how it all shakes out. I just really like the project and want to support it! Such a great combo of a good GB runner, made in EU, modular / functional / no-frills case.

I have a buddy who can cerakote mine when they arrive, so no problems with "any color you want as long as it's black"
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: LordHellmchen on Fri, 25 May 2018, 02:17:47
Yes, like Anakey, okidna and Zuology pointed out - MOQ is met. All versions (SKB60-STD, SKB60-ORTHO, SKB60-WKL, SKB60-HHKB, SKB60-YAS, SKB65, SKB75) will be made. So even Ortholinear. It shares all parts with the SKB60-STD, except the plate of course. There is at least one Ortho extra plate order so it made it as well.

A lot of questions that come up have already been answered in some kind of way, but I can understand that - I know, most of the time I haven't read through a whole thread myself before I post somewhere.
Btw I really appreciate Zuology's help on digging out the relevant quotes and help me answer recurring questions ;)

Sorry, you are right! The MOQ defintion is actually quite clear. To be honest: I followed the IC thread for a while and then forgot. Next time I looked it up the GB was already past the first end date :)

Anyway: thats very good news :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: noobas4urus on Fri, 25 May 2018, 10:21:01
I believe we are still waiting on him to receive/build SKB75 and get finalized satisfactory powder coating or alternative finishing on the plates. The extra time in the pre-invoice phase for samples/QC is welcome, since most GBs can be run much more shoddily and without the extra prep and guarantee of the final products.

That is correct - as soon as I have the SKB75 sample, I'll do a build again and equipped with this I will do an official RMK/mechmarket post.

Since we are well over 100 now I asked for a new quote as well. When I have that I will be able to name another price break point :)
I hope this news makes the wait a bit easier.

Btw, hadn't gotten any feedback regarding the update on the shipping cost (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2610962#msg2610962) - I thought this would be good news as well, right?

Really great effort in getting the price down on all fronts.  Looking forward to the official launch!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: kim-kim on Fri, 25 May 2018, 23:34:57
For cheaper packaging, can you merge my order with silentreader's?

I didn't quite understand the discussion about the XD75re. Will the board fit in this case?

Theoretically yes, because the screws are outside the board, while the most cases (no pun intended) have screw holes inside the board that will hit some of the hotswaps
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: jgjl on Sun, 27 May 2018, 05:42:17
I have a question regarding the SKB60-HHKB case design. If I understand it correctly, the case is designed for a HHKB Layout with a 7u space key. However, the SKB60-A plate design accepts 6u and 6.25u space keys in addition to 7u space keys.

The original HHKB layout uses a 6u space key. In my opinion for a good reason--with a 7u space key the keys right of it are hard to reach. In my opinion 6u und 6.25u space are a much better choice for the HHKB layout, but only if the case matches. So, my question is: did you consider a case design with a lower row for 6u space keys?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Sun, 27 May 2018, 11:39:35
I have a question regarding the SKB60-HHKB case design. If I understand it correctly, the case is designed for a HHKB Layout with a 7u space key. However, the SKB60-A plate design accepts 6u and 6.25u space keys in addition to 7u space keys.

The original HHKB layout uses a 6u space key. In my opinion for a good reason--with a 7u space key the keys right of it are hard to reach. In my opinion 6u und 6.25u space are a much better choice for the HHKB layout, but only if the case matches. So, my question is: did you consider a case design with a lower row for 6u space keys?

With plate A and a pcb that supports this, you can of course use a 6u, 6.25u or split spacebar. The only "problem" are the symetric blockers of the case. Real HHKB has a longer blocker on the right (2,5u instead of 1,5u). So if you use a smaller spacebar, you will have 3 keys on the right of your spacebar, instead of 2. I do not think, that we will see a version of proper HHKB sized blockers. Personally I will just have the additional key there, as I will build the board with a splitted spacebar myself.

But I understand your issue very well. I also find 7u spacebars to be of impractical length. Anyone using the right Alt key frequently (like everyone using US-International), will find the Alt key in an inconvenient position. But still this 7u HHKB style is very popular and there are next to no cases with proper HHKB blockers :/
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Hodgeman on Sun, 27 May 2018, 16:45:03
What kind of switches is everyone planning on using? I’m really excited to try out some nice linears with this case
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tonnu on Mon, 28 May 2018, 00:06:40
hi there just put my orders up for 1 SKB65 and 1 SKB75

actually signed up here just to order these two

really exciting project! thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 28 May 2018, 03:20:19
For cheaper packaging, can you merge my order with silentreader's?

yes, got that, silentreader told me about it already ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 28 May 2018, 03:32:00
I have a question regarding the SKB60-HHKB case design. If I understand it correctly, the case is designed for a HHKB Layout with a 7u space key. However, the SKB60-A plate design accepts 6u and 6.25u space keys in addition to 7u space keys.

The original HHKB layout uses a 6u space key. In my opinion for a good reason--with a 7u space key the keys right of it are hard to reach. In my opinion 6u und 6.25u space are a much better choice for the HHKB layout, but only if the case matches. So, my question is: did you consider a case design with a lower row for 6u space keys?

With plate A and a pcb that supports this, you can of course use a 6u, 6.25u or split spacebar. The only "problem" are the symetric blockers of the case. Real HHKB has a longer blocker on the right (2,5u instead of 1,5u). So if you use a smaller spacebar, you will have 3 keys on the right of your spacebar, instead of 2. I do not think, that we will see a version of proper HHKB sized blockers. Personally I will just have the additional key there, as I will build the board with a splitted spacebar myself.

But I understand your issue very well. I also find 7u spacebars to be of impractical length. Anyone using the right Alt key frequently (like everyone using US-International), will find the Alt key in an inconvenient position. But still this 7u HHKB style is very popular and there are next to no cases with proper HHKB blockers :/

Yes, the plate-A would allow for 7U, 6.25U and 6U HHKB layout. But I can only offer ONE HHKB-top part. The reason we went for the HHKB-7U top instead of 6.25U or the original 6U is because it was decided via google form back in the IC phase. So I thought this is through, however If all of a sudden it turns out, that all of you who ordered the HHKB version would be fine with the 6U-HHKB, it would be easy for me to make this insted of the 7U top.

Maybe the ones who halped to make the decicsion via google-form back then are now not those who actually order - I can't say. If a healthy amount of the HHKB buyers will voice their wish for 6U instead of 7U top here, I will PM all HHKB orders and ask.

Good idea?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 28 May 2018, 03:37:13
What kind of switches is everyone planning on using? I’m really excited to try out some nice linears with this case

All the sample builds I did so far use linears. Think I'll use clicky for the SKB75 sample that I'm waiting for. Have mx-blue and box-white here.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 28 May 2018, 03:40:30
UPDATE (order list):

many of you made some changes to their order lately, thanks for sticking to the method I asked you for (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2608241#msg2608241). Here is an updated list of all the orders so far. This time not as picture file. It's a PDF, so now you can just hit "Ctrl+F" or "⌘+F" to find your name quickly.
PDF attached.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: mustcode on Mon, 28 May 2018, 06:44:04
Quick question, the ortho plate is compatible with XD75re pcb, right?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 28 May 2018, 07:11:36
Quick question, the ortho plate is compatible with XD75re pcb, right?

Yes, it is.
Though you might not be able to use the lowest 6degree angle since the hot-swap sockets add some height on the underside of the PCB so it might collide with the bottom. 8degree and higher should be fine.
The PCB also exists without hot-swap socket, so you can build a proper keyboard. I prefer swapping the keyboard instead of swapping the switches, much quicker ;)

XD75 PCB from KPRepublic:
- XD75RE PCB (https://kprepublic.com/products/xd75re-xd75am-xd75-xiudi-60-custom-keyboard-pcb?variant=958306058284) (with hot swap sockets)
- XD75AM PCB (https://kprepublic.com/products/xd75re-xd75am-xd75-xiudi-60-custom-keyboard-pcb?variant=958306091052) (proper PCB)

Also important:
This is a top-mount construction, so the PCB is not mounted to the case. So this would mean some fumbling. I guess you just have to make sure you tightly press the PCB against the switches when you put them in, similar like you would when using PCB mount switches, I assume.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ojrask on Mon, 28 May 2018, 09:02:04
Had to add a second plate to my order so I can try both linear switches and either tactile or clicky ones too with this case. :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 28 May 2018, 09:35:09
already noticed ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: jgjl on Mon, 28 May 2018, 10:25:52
I have a question regarding the SKB60-HHKB case design. If I understand it correctly, the case is designed for a HHKB Layout with a 7u space key. However, the SKB60-A plate design accepts 6u and 6.25u space keys in addition to 7u space keys.

The original HHKB layout uses a 6u space key. In my opinion for a good reason--with a 7u space key the keys right of it are hard to reach. In my opinion 6u und 6.25u space are a much better choice for the HHKB layout, but only if the case matches. So, my question is: did you consider a case design with a lower row for 6u space keys?

With plate A and a pcb that supports this, you can of course use a 6u, 6.25u or split spacebar. The only "problem" are the symetric blockers of the case. Real HHKB has a longer blocker on the right (2,5u instead of 1,5u). So if you use a smaller spacebar, you will have 3 keys on the right of your spacebar, instead of 2. I do not think, that we will see a version of proper HHKB sized blockers. Personally I will just have the additional key there, as I will build the board with a splitted spacebar myself.

But I understand your issue very well. I also find 7u spacebars to be of impractical length. Anyone using the right Alt key frequently (like everyone using US-International), will find the Alt key in an inconvenient position. But still this 7u HHKB style is very popular and there are next to no cases with proper HHKB blockers :/

Yes, the plate-A would allow for 7U, 6.25U and 6U HHKB layout. But I can only offer ONE HHKB-top part. The reason we went for the HHKB-7U top instead of 6.25U or the original 6U is because it was decided via google form back in the IC phase. So I thought this is through, however If all of a sudden it turns out, that all of you who ordered the HHKB version would be fine with the 6U-HHKB, it would be easy for me to make this insted of the 7U top.

Maybe the ones who halped to make the decicsion via google-form back then are now not those who actually order - I can't say. If a healthy amount of the HHKB buyers will voice their wish for 6U instead of 7U top here, I will PM all HHKB orders and ask.

Good idea?

Sounds like a sensible approach. I did not know about how you came to choosing the 7u space bar variant, that is why I was asking. If there was a popular vote, so be it :)

Although it still bugs me that people talk about the HHKB layout although its not really a HHKB layout if you have a 7u space bar  :D

I think Draics idea of using a "filler" 1u key on the right end of the bottom row should work for me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 28 May 2018, 11:35:15

...The PCB also exists without hot-swap socket, so you can build a proper keyboard. I prefer swapping the keyboard instead of swapping the switches, much quicker ;)


Savage  :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: r5d on Tue, 29 May 2018, 05:41:45

UPDATE (order list):

many of you made some changes to their order lately, thanks for sticking to the method I asked you for (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2608241#msg2608241). Here is an updated list of all the orders so far. This time not as picture file. It's a PDF, so now you can just hit "Ctrl+F" or "⌘+F" to find your name quickly.
PDF attached.


I didn't order a "Plate A" with my 2 SKB75...? Did the lines get out of place somehow?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pertain on Tue, 29 May 2018, 06:34:20

UPDATE (order list):

many of you made some changes to their order lately, thanks for sticking to the method I asked you for (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2608241#msg2608241). Here is an updated list of all the orders so far. This time not as picture file. It's a PDF, so now you can just hit "Ctrl+F" or "⌘+F" to find your name quickly.
PDF attached.


I didn't order a "Plate A" with my 2 SKB75...? Did the lines get out of place somehow?

I noticed the same thing. My order listed an extra 'Plate B' which was not ordered. I submitted another order omitting the plate, and mentioned it in the comment section.

It's kind of a relief to see somebody else experiencing the same thing. Maybe it was just a mixup.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 29 May 2018, 06:42:54
I didn't order a "Plate A" with my 2 SKB75...? Did the lines get out of place somehow?

****, noticed this as well when I compared the original google form data to my PDF output, let me check...

EDIT:
I know what happened. I copied the newer data into the cells, not knowing, that newer empty cells don't overwrite cells that already have content. updated order list shortly...
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 29 May 2018, 07:23:06
UPDATED ORDER LIST

sorry, made some mistakes when copying the google form data to excel. this one should be correct.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Tue, 29 May 2018, 09:12:57
Looking good.  Ready for that invoice.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 29 May 2018, 10:35:01

...The PCB also exists without hot-swap socket, so you can build a proper keyboard. I prefer swapping the keyboard instead of swapping the switches, much quicker ;)


Savage  :)) :)) :))
Lol. Noooooo, hot swap for life!!!1!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 29 May 2018, 12:52:29
Lol. Noooooo, hot swap for life!!!1!

OOOKAY, just my opinion. Just can't see the appeal of it. But the important thing imo is that we have so many options and approaches on how to build a keyboard. So everyone can explore and quest for getting his optimal tool/keyboard :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pertain on Tue, 29 May 2018, 16:52:18
UPDATED ORDER LIST

sorry, made some mistakes when copying the google form data to excel. this one should be correct.

Thanks. This one looks correct to me.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 30 May 2018, 19:16:11
Order form closed? It’s not June yet :P


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Harms on Wed, 30 May 2018, 20:10:35
Order form closed? It’s not June yet :P


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I just checked and it is open.
Title: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 30 May 2018, 20:11:45
Order form closed? It’s not June yet


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I just checked and it is open.
Must be a phone thing then.

Edit; yeah it was :P

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: FSund on Thu, 31 May 2018, 00:43:48
How long will the form stay open?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 31 May 2018, 07:39:42
UPDATE (final sample and invoicing):

Yesterday I talked to the manufacturer. The final sample is still not made (SKB75). I will have it by the end of next week, hopefully. The quote for the higher quantity, I will also only get next week.

I can't start sending out invoices until I have both the final sample and the new quote.
The final sample is so important because with it will be decided if a slight design change will be made or not. Nothing drastic but I want to show it before invoicing.
Only with the final quote I can determine the final price for roughly 150 units. We are just about 20 units away from this at the moment. The reddit GB post I want to do as soon as I have the final sample should help us get there.

A US proxy is also something I wanted to look into. Need to decide about that as well before invoicing can start. A proxy would mean a lot of extra communication, planning and time. That's why I hope the new and cheaper shipping options I told you about here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2610962#msg2610962) are satisfactory for you. If so, we could get along without proxy. Need some opinions about that.

Orders are still taken for these reasons, obviously.

This is really bugging me out but at the moment I can't do nothing about it, but be patient.

Btw, almost none of you who ordered the HHKB version really cares about the 6U suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2613894#msg2613894), right?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 31 May 2018, 08:04:51
Till when will the form most likely be open? Just stumbled this it yesterday and consider it for my YAS but don’t really want to make a quick decision in just one day :O


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: line on Thu, 31 May 2018, 08:40:40
Till when will the form most likely be open? Just stumbled this it yesterday and consider it for my YAS but don’t really want to make a quick decision in just one day :O


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"collecting orders via form (2018.04.10 - 2018.06.12)"
Looks like you'll have until the 12th to place an order.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: vtachkov on Thu, 31 May 2018, 11:08:03
You can always invoice for the cases and shipping separately, which is common among GBs. This has a few advantages: 1) Gives you more time to decide how to handle shipping 2) Doesn't screw you or GB participants over if exchange rates change between the GB ending and when you are ready to ship 3) Makes it easier for people to change their address during the GB if they need it to be shipped somewhere else.

I'm fine with the updated shipping estimates to the US, way better than the original ones, but if a proxy would help even more I wouldn't decline.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: giangpn on Thu, 31 May 2018, 12:10:22
Till when will the form most likely be open? Just stumbled this it yesterday and consider it for my YAS but don’t really want to make a quick decision in just one day :O


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do it, pick it up, like I just did  :))
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:11:27
Till when will the form most likely be open? Just stumbled this it yesterday and consider it for my YAS but don’t really want to make a quick decision in just one day :O


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do it, pick it up, like I just did  :))
For now I’ve decided to go and spray paint my YAS case black and see how that turns up. Should be ready in 2 weeks easily so can always buy SKB if I don’t like the result. €15 paint >> €150 case


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 31 May 2018, 14:23:07
UPDATE (final sample and invoicing):
...
A US proxy is also something I wanted to look into. Need to decide about that as well before invoicing can start. A proxy would mean a lot of extra communication, planning and time. That's why I hope the new and cheaper shipping options I told you about here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2610962#msg2610962) are satisfactory for you. If so, we could get along without proxy. Need some opinions about that.

Orders are still taken for these reasons, obviously.

This is really bugging me out but at the moment I can't do nothing about it, but be patient.

Btw, almost none of you who ordered the HHKB version really cares about the 6U suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2613894#msg2613894), right?

You can always invoice for the cases and shipping separately, which is common among GBs. This has a few advantages: 1) Gives you more time to decide how to handle shipping 2) Doesn't screw you or GB participants over if exchange rates change between the GB ending and when you are ready to ship 3) Makes it easier for people to change their address during the GB if they need it to be shipped somewhere else.

I'm fine with the updated shipping estimates to the US, way better than the original ones, but if a proxy would help even more I wouldn't decline.

It's completely up to you on figuring out pricing/communication/logistics of a US Proxy. I personally don't have any issue with the lower-cost shipping option you already quoted, and unless the potential US proxy has a commercial account already in place, the domestic shipping within CONUS will be close to the direct-from-EU price already, and will entail a lot more moving pieces. My 2c is that you can invoice for the kits themselves and then separately for shipping once that is confirmed and solidified, just to get things moving.

(As a non-HHKB user) Have you put together a list of those buying HHKB cases and emailed or PM'd them directly for input, or maybe create a short google form survey and have those people fill it out for feedback?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 31 May 2018, 14:24:41
You can always invoice for the cases and shipping separately, which is common among GBs. This has a few advantages: 1) Gives you more time to decide how to handle shipping 2) Doesn't screw you or GB participants over if exchange rates change between the GB ending and when you are ready to ship 3) Makes it easier for people to change their address during the GB if they need it to be shipped somewhere else.

Very interesting, thanks, hadn't considered this at all.
I'll think about it over the weekend.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 31 May 2018, 14:37:24
It's completely up to you on figuring out pricing/communication/logistics of a US Proxy. I personally don't have any issue with the lower-cost shipping option you already quoted, and unless the potential US proxy has a commercial account already in place, the domestic shipping within CONUS will be close to the direct-from-EU price already, and will entail a lot more moving pieces.

Yes, since the 21€ option to the US offers tracking as well and it is direct, a proxy isn't that big of an advantage any more. I'll see if I can get a rebate for sending so many packages. So maybe it's possible to get it down to 20 or even 19€.

My 2c is that you can invoice for the kits themselves and then separately for shipping once that is confirmed and solidified, just to get things moving.

Good thinking, seriously considering this now.

(As a non-HHKB user) Have you put together a list of those buying HHKB cases and emailed or PM'd them directly for input, or maybe create a short google form survey and have those people fill it out for feedback?

I guess it's off the table now. If at least some would be interested in having the true 6U instead of the 7U, they would have come forward by now.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 31 May 2018, 15:12:16
As a European I would be happy with a €20 shipping fee, I'm used to $50 and upwards for all the expensive GB's :S Kinda funny to read comments about it when we don't have any other option usually :P
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pertain on Thu, 31 May 2018, 21:25:06
UPDATE (regarding shipping):

Many of you asked if I could offer a cheaper shipping alternative. To the USA I only offered 40€ shipping so far. I chose this option because I wanted tracked shipping. I just spent some more time checking out the DHL options and it turns out I missed something before. The cheapest international (includes USA) option is 16€ and does not include tracking and insurance. BUT you can add tracking and insurance (only up to 50€ though) for additional 4€ to it. So this means 20€ is available as well now. This option allows up to 2kg. This means I can pack two SKBs and one or maybe even two extra plates in the package. The ∼40€ option allows for up to 5kg, that would mean at least five SKBs and extra plates. I made a table showing the available options. All prices include 1€ extra for packaging cost:

 

Destination  Option 1  Option 2
Germany  6€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 500€
  7€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
Europe
(including the UK)
  15€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 500€
  17€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
International
(most countries including USA)
  21€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 50€
  38€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€
International
(some countries like Australia and Japan)
  21€
  tracking
  weight up to 2kg
  insured up to 50€
  47€
  tracking
  weight up to 5kg
  insured up to 500€


Honestly, the cost of option 2 is not outrageous, and I like having insurance that actually covers the value of the items.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: EmptierVoid on Mon, 04 June 2018, 05:12:23
Btw, almost none of you who ordered the HHKB version really cares about the 6U suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2613894#msg2613894), right?

I'd like to have a 6u spacebar and longer blocker on right.
(I just don't browse GH often enough, found the GB from reddit. That might be the case for others too why people have not commented about the 6u vs 7u.)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Mon, 04 June 2018, 05:25:13
Btw, almost none of you who ordered the HHKB version really cares about the 6U suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2613894#msg2613894), right?

I'd like to have a 6u spacebar and longer blocker on right.
(I just don't browse GH often enough, found the GB from reddit. That might be the case for others too why people have not commented about the 6u vs 7u.)

I also voiced my interest in this, but we are a minority.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pomk on Mon, 04 June 2018, 08:45:54
I'm for 6U as well. Sadly we lost the poll in the IC phase by something like 40%-60%. 7U is still better than nothing I guess.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Mon, 04 June 2018, 09:12:44
I'm for 6U as well. Sadly we lost the poll in the IC phase by something like 40%-60%. 7U is still better than nothing I guess.

with free choice of PCB this isn't that big of a deal. If 7u space would be the only option I would skip the case, but only different blockers is fine by me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: st0ckz on Sat, 09 June 2018, 04:51:31
After ordering a wkl from almost the beginning of the buy i changed for HHKB, since I have a wkl board coming..Variety is the spice of life.

Really looking forward to the case, going to stick to 14 degrees though, it'd be rude not to!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: phal on Sat, 09 June 2018, 05:30:31
I've had a search about but can't see it listed clearly so apologies if I've missed it.

What PCBs are supported for the 75%?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: line on Sat, 09 June 2018, 05:48:07
I've had a search about but can't see it listed clearly so apologies if I've missed it.

What PCBs are supported for the 75%?
KBD75
EEPW84 (XD84)
YMD75

Those are the ones listed on the plate layouts
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: phal on Sat, 09 June 2018, 13:00:53
I've had a search about but can't see it listed clearly so apologies if I've missed it.

What PCBs are supported for the 75%?
KBD75
EEPW84 (XD84)
YMD75

Those are the ones listed on the plate layouts

Ta! Just filled out the form for a 75% :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: aydio on Mon, 11 June 2018, 07:10:12
Do we receive an email when it's time to pay? I occasionally forget to check this thread only to remember a few weeks later, then I panic and rush to this thread because I don't want to miss it ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 11 June 2018, 09:49:13
I think we're still holding pending final plate coating decision/approval and 75% sample build
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 June 2018, 05:23:41
IMPORTANT:

OK, there is a decision that has to be made before I can send out invoices. As you know, I pointed out several times how important the black plate is to me.
Quick recap:
Powder coating is not an option, because a thin layer can't be easily be achieved on a surface that has this many holes close together. The layer turns out to be too thick so the switches don't snap in nicely.
Black galvanizing was supposed to be the solution, but it turns out it has a drawback. It is not possible to galvanize stainless steel - this is only possible with "normal" steel.
I did research for other possibilities to make stainless steel black. There are solutions but they are not possible with the current prices.

I know most here expect the plate to be stainless steel, so I feel I can't just do this without letting you know.

So I need to know what is more important to you:
a) black plate / standard steel
b) bare plate / stainless steel

Again, sorry for the wait, we are very close.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 12 June 2018, 05:25:45
galvanized black steel  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 June 2018, 05:26:49
Update regarding invoices:

When? probably next week.

Once invoices go out I will make a raffle. Five extra SKBs will be given away for the first 100 who payed. So many will have quite a good chance of getting an extra one. Once determined who the lucky ones are, they can choose any SKB version they want.
Hansichen and Zuology will get an extra SKB. Hansichen, because he was the first who ordered and Zuology because he was a great help. Just let me know which version you want to add.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 June 2018, 06:13:51
About a) vs b)

The steel is not exposed to heavy weather conditions but inside a keyboard on a desk. Even normal steel will last for generations without the slightest trace of rust. Though the reflections of the shiny stainless steel is something you would notice every single day. So for me steel/black is the way to go, I just felt I had to let everyone know.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Waven on Tue, 12 June 2018, 06:24:17
I vote for a)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: noobas4urus on Tue, 12 June 2018, 07:25:49
I'd be down with stainless but it's not a deal breaker for me.  Looking forward to this moving forward.  I wanted to confirm being in for an unanodized SKB75, is the any special notation for that in the table?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 June 2018, 07:57:37
I'd be down with stainless but it's not a deal breaker for me.  Looking forward to this moving forward.  I wanted to confirm being in for an unanodized SKB75, is the any special notation for that in the table?

About two or three want without anodizing. Don't worry, I won't forget.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Tue, 12 June 2018, 08:11:18
I dislike bare metal plates, so I want a black one regardless of tradeoffs in material. So choice a) for me aswell.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Tue, 12 June 2018, 08:27:10
I like both.  Stainless is great, so is black.  I'd also be fine with an anodized aluminum plate.  /shrug
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: E_rik on Tue, 12 June 2018, 10:17:58
I vote for A (black standard steel)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: damagepoint on Tue, 12 June 2018, 10:20:16
I'm cool with both, leaning towards the black plate though.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: vtachkov on Tue, 12 June 2018, 10:23:06
I vote for A as well.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Hodgeman on Tue, 12 June 2018, 10:26:39
I vote a as well, I’d prefer to keep the board all black
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Starston3 on Tue, 12 June 2018, 10:27:01
I vote A
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Tue, 12 June 2018, 10:59:05
A, please.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 12 June 2018, 11:21:07
IMPORTANT:
OK, there is a decision that has to be made before I can send out invoices. As you know, I pointed out several times how important the black plate is to me.
Quick recap:
Powder coating is not an option, because a thin layer can't be easily be achieved on a surface that has this many holes close together. The layer turns out to be too thick so the switches don't snap in nicely.
Black galvanizing was supposed to be the solution, but it turns out it has a drawback. It is not possible to galvanize stainless steel - this is only possible with "normal" steel.
I did research for other possibilities to make stainless steel black. There are solutions but they are not possible with the current prices.

I know most here expect the plate to be stainless steel, so I feel I can't just do this without letting you know.

So I need to know what is more important to you:
a) black plate / standard steel
b) bare plate / stainless steel

Again, sorry for the wait, we are very close.
About a) vs b)

The steel is not exposed to heavy weather conditions but inside a keyboard on a desk. Even normal steel will last for generations without the slightest trace of rust. Though the reflections of the shiny stainless steel is something you would notice every single day. So for me steel/black is the way to go, I just felt I had to let everyone know.

I am not familiar with the nuanced material benefits/differences between "normal" steel and stainless steel, as far as keyboard plate materials are concerned. I am personally fine with with either/or, but may lean towards stainless since it will play nicely with those of us who choose to run switch LEDs and be more reflective than pure black, plus it would be a nice subtle secret bling to contrast with the ninja look of the rest of the case. I may be mistaken, but I recall that you had offered to share plate schematics/design for people to get their own plates cut after? If I'm making that up, correct me of course, but that will be a good track to follow-up by individual users who may want alternative plate materials/finishes like Brass or Aluminum.

I'd be down with stainless but it's not a deal breaker for me.  Looking forward to this moving forward.  I wanted to confirm being in for an unanodized SKB75, is the any special notation for that in the table?

About two or three want without anodizing. Don't worry, I won't forget.

Aha, I think I missed the discussion about option to get raw/unanodized! Very cool, will have to consider this further.

Update regarding invoices:
When? probably next week.

Once invoices go out I will make a raffle. Five extra SKBs will be given away for the first 100 who payed. So many will have quite a good chance of getting an extra one. Once determined who the lucky ones are, they can choose any SKB version they want.
Hansichen and Zuology will get an extra SKB. Hansichen, because he was the first who ordered and Zuology because he was a great help. Just let me know which version you want to add.

 :eek: OwO what's this?! This is a fantastic surprise, thank you. I will PM you with request, and I am blown away by your generosity! As I've said throughout, I am/was very happy to help because of the quality of the project to start with. Many thanks to PlastikSchnittstelle for this undertaking!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: online on Tue, 12 June 2018, 13:08:40
A

or maybe carbon fibre?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: phal on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:32:12
Anodized for me too :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: giangpn on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:33:55
I'll go with black (A) too. even though stainless steel would reflect LEDs better, I think a black surface would create a "uniform" layer of light
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: blighty on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:35:53
I guess I am the odd man out, I'd prefer stainless steel, but will take what is available.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: giangpn on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:38:10
I guess I am the odd man out, I'd prefer stainless steel, but will take what is available.

I think SS is also a solid choice, but a black plate on a custom board is (kinda) rare nowadays
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: blighty on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:49:47
I guess I am the odd man out, I'd prefer stainless steel, but will take what is available.

I think SS is also a solid choice, but a black plate on a custom board is (kinda) rare nowadays

Well, with SS, one doesn't have to be as paranoid about drink spills ruining the plate's finish.  I feel like I'd need to desolder things alot quicker to prevent damage with the black plate vs letting the SS board take an alcohol bath post spill and then let air dry.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: kmfmppl on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:58:42
Kudos for the great GB, have followed this on and off since IC and I'm very impressed with how you have planned, responded to and managed all the different aspects that came up along the way. Casting my vote for option A as well :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:59:42
I would prefer a black plate as well. One of the reasons I initially got interested was the uniform black look.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: 112227 on Tue, 12 June 2018, 16:18:48
black plate would be my choice. I wouldn't  care if it was acrylic, polycarbonate, aluminum, pvd brass, steel, fr4.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 12 June 2018, 17:08:40
Black for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pertain on Tue, 12 June 2018, 17:20:02
IMPORTANT:

So I need to know what is more important to you:
a) black plate / standard steel
b) bare plate / stainless steel


Is option A a black oxide finish? If so, is it high-temp or low-temp?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: macken on Tue, 12 June 2018, 17:40:28
I also vote A, black plate.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Shados on Tue, 12 June 2018, 20:30:31
Galvanized steel is already plenty corrosion-resistant, so A gets my vote.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Tue, 12 June 2018, 20:30:45
Black plate pls
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Tue, 12 June 2018, 23:21:31
I would prefer a stainless steel plate bare, personally. I like the idea of going out and getting it cerakote'd.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: C7Kinetic on Tue, 12 June 2018, 23:53:55
I'd prefer the black steel. However I'll be happy with either choice
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Harms on Wed, 13 June 2018, 00:29:40
Black plate for sure.

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Wed, 13 June 2018, 06:44:03
A

or maybe carbon fibre?

Class.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 June 2018, 10:15:08
Thanks for the quick feedback.
Clearly most want steel/black, so it will be black-galvanizing/steel.

Btw, we can only do the black-galvanizing because we have so many orders. They only offer the galvanizing for a minimum of 120 parts.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Hodgeman on Wed, 13 June 2018, 10:33:19
Awesome, I’m really loving the transparency of this gb
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: phal on Wed, 13 June 2018, 13:15:08
Awesome, I’m really loving the transparency of this gb


He said black or stainless, not transparent!



:D heh
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 13 June 2018, 21:17:23
Awesome, I’m really loving the transparency of this gb

Easily the best prepared and most real samples proof I've seen of any GB during my time in the hobby! I can think of some GBs where nothing more than incorrect renders and vague response from the runner was enough to meet MOQ, among other worse horror stories of failure.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Tyson on Thu, 14 June 2018, 09:18:55
Oh shoot, I just realized the GB was supposed to close two days ago. Not sure if I made it in, in time or not.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: theillumedpanda on Thu, 14 June 2018, 10:02:56
Oh shoot, I just realized the GB was supposed to close two days ago. Not sure if I made it in, in time or not.
I think he extended it because the 75% has a little delay or something? I’m not sure, but I submitted my order yesterday and the form was still open. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 June 2018, 11:04:04
Yep, hopefully invoicing starts next week. At least until then I'll take orders. Sorry, just haven't updated the start-post regarding this jet.

And yes, still don't have that final sample.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 15 June 2018, 09:14:34
Yep, hopefully invoicing starts next week.

Dope! I get paid on wednesday, so if you invoice us around that day this won't hurt my wallet too much. Hahaha
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: jgjl on Fri, 15 June 2018, 14:39:13
Yep, hopefully invoicing starts next week. At least until then I'll take orders. Sorry, just haven't updated the start-post regarding this jet.

And yes, still don't have that final sample.

Sounds good!

I would prefer to pick up the cases myself instead of shipping, is that possible?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 16 June 2018, 08:35:50
I would prefer to pick up the cases myself instead of shipping, is that possible?

Of course! Already noticed that you're from frankfurt as well. When the time comes you'll get it directly from me.  :thumb:

Btw, when I prepare shipping I'll look if city names pop up more than once and pm those who live in the same city. This may be a chance for some to save a few more bucks on shipping.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Sat, 16 June 2018, 10:02:32
I would prefer to pick up the cases myself instead of shipping, is that possible?

Of course! Already noticed that you're from frankfurt as well. When the time comes you'll get it directly from me.  :thumb:

Btw, when I prepare shipping I'll look if city names pop up more than once and pm those who live in the same city. This may be a chance for some to save a few more bucks on shipping.

AND make keyboard friends!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: LordHellmchen on Mon, 18 June 2018, 04:15:29
I'm from Leinfelden, thats right next to Stuttgart. Just in case there was someone from good ol Stuggitown :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 18 June 2018, 11:03:13
I'm from Leinfelden, thats right next to Stuttgart. Just in case there was someone from good ol Stuggitown :)

I'm curious to see what the spread is on countries ordering the SKBxx - wonder how hard that is to pull from the existing order list, or if that will be an option to see once invoices are sent out and paid? Last account was that USA was over 1/2 the orders, or something there abouts.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 18 June 2018, 11:25:07
Hmm google form doesnt work
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 19 June 2018, 13:37:54
to me it looks like the google form works fine.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: binnie on Tue, 19 June 2018, 15:06:29
I believe I joined by the form about a month ago but I have no way to confirm it. Can you confirm ifI have joined? My reddit username is "snat_"
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: online on Tue, 19 June 2018, 15:08:34
Are you still waiting for 75 sample?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: kebo_ on Tue, 19 June 2018, 23:23:10
Like the naked version of the keyboard. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 June 2018, 10:45:55
I believe I joined by the form about a month ago but I have no way to confirm it. Can you confirm ifI have joined? My reddit username is "snat_"

hey binnie, your order was registered, you can search for your name in the order list which I recently uploaded. see this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2614303#msg2614303). sorry, no email confirmations are send.

btw, will post an updated order list soon because many of you switched to a different version and some new orders.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 June 2018, 10:46:38
Are you still waiting for 75 sample?

yes, it's killing me!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 June 2018, 10:52:55
UPDATE:
Currently getting into how to make the paypal invoicing correctly. Have to comply with german law, not as easy and quick as I thought.  So sorry, invoicing can't start tomorrow, I hope for the weekend.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Shihatsu on Thu, 21 June 2018, 03:27:48
(https://i.imgflip.com/2cm8kf.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/2cm8kf)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: line on Thu, 21 June 2018, 07:16:44
Just wondering, is there still going to be a drop at 160+ units? :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 21 June 2018, 08:31:30
UPDATE (regarding prices):

Just wanted to let you all know, that there are over 100 orders now (⁓110). That means the lowest price point is unlocked. We are past 100 since some time now already but the reason I didn't let you know this until now was because I didn't ever expect to reach this number and therefore the prices for 100+ were a rough estimate. So I had to get new prices in order to check if I can actually keep the announced prices for 100+. This took time. Now I can tell you, that the prices for 100+ are correct! So we are now at:
128€ for all SKB60 versions
145€ for the SKB75

The SKB65 will be 138€, I still need some more time before I can add it to the order form (checking out if it's possible to offer you a PCB along with it).

Also good news for everyone who ordered an extra plate. They are 30€ right now but they will get cheaper. I'll try to offer extra plates as cheap as possible, closer to 20€. Next week I will be able to name the exact price and then update it in the order form.

Just to be prepared I will calculate another price point for 150+ units. Will take me at least another week before I can update you on that.

...
btw, will post an updated order list soon because many of you switched to a different version and some new orders.

Just wondering, is there still going to be a drop at 160+ units? :D

Not speaking for PlastikSchnittstelle but I'm assuming that he will be divulging 150+ MOQ price relatively soon. From what I've kept track of, these are the "last steps" before he closes ordering and completes invoicing:

1) Receive final coated plate (Galvanized Black Steel is what I believe was agreed on)
2) Receive/build sample of SKB75 (planned PCB is KBD75v2)
3) One last full update to complete GB post with completed pics of sample SKB75 & plate, and possibly updated pricing for current MOQ (presumably 150+ by now between GH and DT).
4) Cross-list GB on ye olde r/mk and r/mm with full/final details to capture the short attention span over there, for one last surge of orders before closing the ordering phase
5) Potentially hit new MOQ with reddit/final surge and new price break?
6) Final invoicing

The scale of this GB is an enormous undertaking, and the time PlastikSchnittstelle is taking to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed is much appreciated from my end. I know a lot of GB's try to close up their ordering timeline to avoid losing buyers from attrition and impatience, but I (and presumably others) are really happy that this extra time is being taken to get physical samples built and displayed to avoid any avoidable issues for the full run.

Let's also appreciate that +150 orders with combinations of 5 plates and 6 cases is a ton of logistics to prepare for, with even more orders to come after the above final steps!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 June 2018, 16:05:19
Just wondering, is there still going to be a drop at 160+ units? :D

Yes, this is still planned. Due to small changes (like the plate material and finish), I need to get a new quote. Was supposed to get it this week, but now it is already Friday and I still didn't got the email. So I'll take this weekend to figure out how the whole Paypal invoicing works smoothly and next week will start it after I have the quote thus can name the last drop.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 June 2018, 16:06:48
(https://i.imgflip.com/2cm8kf.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/2cm8kf)

this is so true  :'(
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: giangpn on Mon, 25 June 2018, 00:57:45
hmmm, I think I have an order in for a Yas but I don't see my name on that list? If I got dropped, can I still get in now?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 25 June 2018, 17:36:30
hmmm, I think I have an order in for a Yas but I don't see my name on that list? If I got dropped, can I still get in now?

that list is old, you are in.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: giangpn on Mon, 25 June 2018, 17:37:27
hmmm, I think I have an order in for a Yas but I don't see my name on that list? If I got dropped, can I still get in now?

that list is old, you are in.

awesome! got scared for a bit there haha.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 27 June 2018, 18:06:02
Still possible to get in by any chance? And if so, I assume I’ll have to desolder YAS pcb from the plate and use your plate, correct?


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 27 June 2018, 18:25:36
He should still be taking orders, and I believe he has YAS PCBs to sell alongside the YAS case/plate if you would rather not desolder.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 28 June 2018, 20:43:33
Still possible to get in by any chance? And if so, I assume I’ll have to desolder YAS pcb from the plate and use your plate, correct?

Yes, still possible to get in. Basically as long as the Google form is open, you can join.
Like Zuology said, you can get another YAS PCB with the order.
I found desoldering not problematic. You just need time, some skill and the right tools. Depends on you and your equipment.

Really sorry for the delay, detailed update on monday.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: heavyheaded on Mon, 02 July 2018, 10:21:28
Those invoices going out soon?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 02 July 2018, 12:12:21
Just wondering, is there still going to be a drop at 160+ units? :D

yes, soon, very sorry for the delay
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Mon, 02 July 2018, 12:33:43
Just wondering, is there still going to be a drop at 160+ units? :D

yes, soon, very sorry for the delay
No need to apologise - lots of stuff going on for you! We really appreciate your efforts


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 03 July 2018, 11:19:21
yes, soon, very sorry for the delay

I'm sure many here don't have the time or interest to keep up on internal GH drama, but there's recently been a serious of concerning events regarding the owner of the site (iMav) essentially running a firesale off to highest bidder (who at this time appears to be a foreign private 3rd party marketing/ad-revenue operation). There's some concern about future of site, previous posts, compliance with GDPR, etc.

Reason I am bringing this up is that I know PlastikSchnitstelle will be invoicing soon and planning on doing some final round updates in the very near future, and wanted to give a head's up that there may need to be a backup system to communicate with buyers. I'd suggest that once final list of invoiced/paid is confirmed, that mass e-mail or shared Google Doc/Sheet would be good way to keep everyone looped in on updates, should GH operations go south (or east, as the case may be). I'm not a DT user, but I believe the GB is also mirrored over there in its own thread.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Tue, 03 July 2018, 12:21:05

I'm not a DT user, but I believe the GB is also mirrored over there in its own thread.

It is, I've been following both.  So this will be filled with ads soon?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 03 July 2018, 12:55:39
There's other existing threads here to discuss out what may or may not be occurring, lot of unconfirmed speculation still. Out of respect for the gb, let's keep this thread on topic.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Tue, 03 July 2018, 22:36:43
Anxiously waiting for updates
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 04 July 2018, 18:09:46
UPDATE!

TLDR;
The reason for the many delays is that the last samples showed fractures at the edges. A lot of testing with different alloys, radiuses, tool setups and material thickness had to be done. The issue is now resolved, we found the right recipe to avoid any fractures without altering the design too much. If you are not happy with the changes - pm me to cancel your order. It's also cheaper now.

The whole story:
First SORRY for the constant delays! Now let me explain to you why. I mentioned a few times before that I wanted to ensure that there won't be any quality issues when we go to production. Behind this was one specific issue that was very difficult to control. If you bend aluminium you sometimes get fractures at the edge. This wasn't happening with my first prototype and therefore I had no reason to believe this might become a problem. But the last samples (which you saw many pictures of) all had fractures at the edges. The reason none of you realized those fractures in the pictures is probably because of the file compression and also because the bead blasting reduces the effect to a certain extent. Regardless if you spot it or not - there is now way I would have ever been fine with this. The manufacturer first told me we would just have to use a different alloy but still the fractures appeared. I had to adapt the design a few times and the manufacturer tried different tooling. The most noticeable change that had to be made was to reduce the material thickness. 3mm was insanely thick for an object of this size. We tried 2.5mm but it was still too thick. 2mm thickness combined with a slightly bigger radius turned out to be good. Now maybe some of you will be disappointed and think that going from 3 to 2 mm is a bad thing but let me put this into perspective. Sheet metal enclosures for electronics of comparable size usually use a thickness of 0.5mm. Even bigger enclosures like PC cases go with 0.5mm, sometimes 1mm. Only very expensive PC cases use a thickness of 1.5mm but not 2mm. So with 2mm thickness at this small scale we are still at level overkill. The 3mm was just insane and with the knowledge I have now, I can say that 3mm would have only work when bending it over a huge radius - something that just doesn't fit in the design scale of a keyboard.

This gave me sleepless nights. At some point I thought I would have to cancel the whole damn GB but working on a solution turned out to be successful.
I hope you understand that this took time, especially because in between changes I had to wait an annoyingly long time for results. The manufacturer is jam-full of orders and my one is comparably insignificant.
So this was the reason why I had to delay the invoicing for so many times. Collecting the money before I'm not sure that all works out, is something I just wouldn't be comfortable with.

I made new renderings, illustrations and updated the links in the start post. The overall appearance is still the same imo. The frame is now 1mm wider on each side and the outer radius ended up slightly bigger. The weight of the finished build was a bit heavier than a poker3, now it will be roughly the same weight. I decided to make the frame a bit higher so now the caps sink in a bit deeper, while at the same time I managed to keep the very low height of the lowest row. IchiBalzac kindly sent me a PCB with hot-swap sockets. Now that I have all the dimensions I can say that even at the lowest 6 degree you won't have any problem fitting them in. You also have the freedom to use different sized standoffs or spacers to raise or even lower the plate further.

The sample is almost finished - just the bead-blasting and then the anodizing isn't done jet. I'll get it at the end of next week and can then make another build and pictures. After that the invoicing will start - for real this time!

If you feel that you don't want to participate in the GB anymore due to the changes, please pm me.

Last thing to mention is the new price point. The current order quantity (almost 170) combined with the slightly thinner aluminium make the following prices possible:
SKB60: 115€ (was before 128€)
SKB65: 125€ (was before 136€)
SKB75: 135€ (was before 145€)
Extra plate: 20€ (was before 25€)

Thank you very much for your understanding and patience!

This is how it looks now:

(https://i.imgur.com/igXMvl2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ZbfuELk.png) (https://i.imgur.com/fQmosX5.png)

Here is the whole album (https://imgur.com/a/oEzCQJj)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Hodgeman on Wed, 04 July 2018, 18:14:43
Still looks great and I can’t complain about a lower price point
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 04 July 2018, 18:56:20
Looks better imho. You're doing a great job mate.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: 112227 on Thu, 05 July 2018, 00:42:03
Looks better imho. You're doing a great job mate.

I agree! I'm ready.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 05 July 2018, 00:58:04
All good all around!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 05 July 2018, 04:51:19
@PlastikSchnittstelle

Please don't be sleepless - you have been doing a very good job in trying to make sure everything is in order, which is the most important thing.
Your design has multiple unique features advantage and plus a competitive price setting strategy - I cannot see any competition even from the Chinese. And all along we can see that you are responsive and diligent for this GB.
I have more money to pay for my order at the end of the month (plus I am still looking for a job!), so I am fine waiting a bit more for some products that I will be satisfied and do not have to return because of issues.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: wixxzblu on Thu, 05 July 2018, 04:53:23
@PlastikSchnittstelle

Please don't be sleepless - you have been doing a very good job in trying to make sure everything is in order, which is the most important thing.
Your design has multiple unique features advantage and plus a competitive price setting strategy - I cannot see any competition even from the Chinese. And all along we can see that you are responsive and diligent for this GB.
I have more money to pay for my order at the end of the month (plus I am still looking for a job!), so I am fine waiting a bit more for some products that I will be satisfied and do not have to return because of issues.

This, im very pleased with all the communication during this very long GB phase.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: macken on Thu, 05 July 2018, 06:45:48
Nice work. Can't wait to get my hands on this piece of engineering.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Thu, 05 July 2018, 06:52:04
It looks the same to me.  /shrug

Carry on!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Thu, 05 July 2018, 10:59:43
I'm so ready for this piece Deutscher Präzisionsfertigung!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: pertain on Thu, 05 July 2018, 21:07:21
Still looks great to me! Good things come to those who wait.

Thanks for the great communication, and for demanding high quality.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:31:32
UPDATE!

TLDR;
The reason for the many delays is that the last samples showed fractures at the edges. A lot of testing with different alloys, radiuses, tool setups and material thickness had to be done. The issue is now resolved, we found the right recipe to avoid any fractures without altering the design too much. If you are not happy with the changes - pm me to cancel your order. It's also cheaper now.

The whole story:
First SORRY for the constant delays! Now let me explain to you why. I mentioned a few times before that I wanted to ensure that there won't be any quality issues when we go to production. Behind this was one specific issue that was very difficult to control. If you bend aluminium you sometimes get fractures at the edge. This wasn't happening with my first prototype and therefore I had no reason to believe this might become a problem. But the last samples (which you saw many pictures of) all had fractures at the edges. The reason none of you realized those fractures in the pictures is probably because of the file compression and also because the bead blasting reduces the effect to a certain extent. Regardless if you spot it or not - there is now way I would have ever been fine with this. The manufacturer first told me we would just have to use a different alloy but still the fractures appeared. I had to adapt the design a few times and the manufacturer tried different tooling. The most noticeable change that had to be made was to reduce the material thickness. 3mm was insanely thick for an object of this size. We tried 2.5mm but it was still too thick. 2mm thickness combined with a slightly bigger radius turned out to be good. Now maybe some of you will be disappointed and think that going from 3 to 2 mm is a bad thing but let me put this into perspective. Sheet metal enclosures for electronics of comparable size usually use a thickness of 0.5mm. Even bigger enclosures like PC cases go with 0.5mm, sometimes 1mm. Only very expensive PC cases use a thickness of 1.5mm but not 2mm. So with 2mm thickness at this small scale we are still at level overkill. The 3mm was just insane and with the knowledge I have now, I can say that 3mm would have only work when bending it over a huge radius - something that just doesn't fit in the design scale of a keyboard.

This gave me sleepless nights. At some point I thought I would have to cancel the whole damn GB but working on a solution turned out to be successful.
I hope you understand that this took time, especially because in between changes I had to wait an annoyingly long time for results. The manufacturer is jam-full of orders and my one is comparably insignificant.
So this was the reason why I had to delay the invoicing for so many times. Collecting the money before I'm not sure that all works out, is something I just wouldn't be comfortable with.

I made new renderings, illustrations and updated the links in the start post. The overall appearance is still the same imo. The frame is now 1mm wider on each side and the outer radius ended up slightly bigger. The weight of the finished build was a bit heavier than a poker3, now it will be roughly the same weight. I decided to make the frame a bit higher so now the caps sink in a bit deeper, while at the same time I managed to keep the very low height of the lowest row. IchiBalzac kindly sent me a PCB with hot-swap sockets. Now that I have all the dimensions I can say that even at the lowest 6 degree you won't have any problem fitting them in. You also have the freedom to use different sized standoffs or spacers to raise or even lower the plate further.

The sample is almost finished - just the bead-blasting and then the anodizing isn't done jet. I'll get it at the end of next week and can then make another build and pictures. After that the invoicing will start - for real this time!

If you feel that you don't want to participate in the GB anymore due to the changes, please pm me.

Last thing to mention is the new price point. The current order quantity (almost 170) combined with the slightly thinner aluminium make the following prices possible:
SKB60: 115€ (was before 128€)
SKB65: 125€ (was before 136€)
SKB75: 135€ (was before 145€)
Extra plate: 20€ (was before 25€)

Thank you very much for your understanding and patience!

This is how it looks now:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/igXMvl2.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZbfuELk.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fQmosX5.png)


Here is the whole album (https://imgur.com/a/oEzCQJj)

I was wondering where that invoice was at. lol Sounds like those samples really helped! I have such a bad memory and it's been a bit, but could you possibly tell me what I put down for my order? lol I'm super hyped and wanted to make sure I chose the correct board. Thank you for revising and making sure everything is going to come out correctly for us!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:42:30
I have such a bad memory and it's been a bit, but could you possibly tell me what I put down for my order? lol I'm super hyped and wanted to make sure I chose the correct board.

just checked, you chose one SKB60-WKL.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:43:54
I have such a bad memory and it's been a bit, but could you possibly tell me what I put down for my order? lol I'm super hyped and wanted to make sure I chose the correct board.

just checked, you chose one SKB60-WKL.

YES! Thanks again! Can't wait, it'll be my first WKL.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: feralfoo on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:43:54
just checked, you chose one SKB60-WKL.

Thanks for all your efforts with this GB, and I hope you don't mind another order question. Can you confirm if I chose the SKB60-YAS and YAS PCB? Could I also have another YAS PCB added to this?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 06 July 2018, 15:09:22
Can you confirm if I chose the SKB60-YAS and YAS PCB? Could I also have another YAS PCB added to this?

Exactly, you have SKB60-YAS and YAS PCB. Of course you can add a second YAS-PCB if you like. Just fill out the form again with the complete order like I described here:

This still applies:
If you have already filled out the form and later want to change your version or add one, then please just fill it out again but with the complete order. So if you had ordered an HHKB version for example and you want a second one, then please don't add another order with ONE HHKB. Instead fill out the form with TWO HHKB orders. I can spot double entries and I will just delete your older form entries and just keep the last/youngest submission.

Will post an updated PDF with all orders soon, so everyone can check self.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 06 July 2018, 16:25:16
UPDATED ORDER LIST

See attached PDF.
Search with "Ctrl+F" or "Cmd+F" for your name.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: wixxzblu on Fri, 06 July 2018, 16:31:03
I submitted a new google form to add more parts to my initial order and now i jumped from #2 to #131 ?  :'(

Is this really how it should work?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 06 July 2018, 16:38:02
yes, but it's just a number. it's not important - only if you had the "1"  :p
and even if hansichen should change or add something and therefore get a new number - I don't forget that he was the FIRST to place his order  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Data on Fri, 06 July 2018, 17:00:05
Dang, I'm #19.  Too slow!  I have dishonored my family.  :-[
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: feralfoo on Fri, 06 July 2018, 22:39:33
Exactly, you have SKB60-YAS and YAS PCB. Of course you can add a second YAS-PCB if you like. Just fill out the form again with the complete order like I described here:

Love your work, form re-filled with extra PCB :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Draic on Thu, 12 July 2018, 16:49:42
yes, but it's just a number.

but still having missed being number 23 so close (I am no. 22) bums me out :( grats to lazerbeamspewpew though ... lucky bastard
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Tue, 17 July 2018, 00:02:01
I'm number 88. I hope this board brings me joy and good fortune hah.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 18 July 2018, 07:22:47
UPDATE

Got the sample Yesterday. YES, longer than expected - AGAIN! Finally everything is fine! Most rushed build I've ever done. Just took some quick pictures. Will be on a short holiday till next week. Then I'll start invoicing.

(https://i.imgur.com/p2QlShj.jpg)

The plate for this sample is not galvanized cause they only do it when they get a lot. This is why you can see the reflections of the plate between the caps. With the black galvanized plate in GB production, the reflections won't appear.

Thanks so much for your patience!

More pictures... (https://imgur.com/a/pkzeUhL)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: okidna on Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:37:50
UPDATE

Got the sample Yesterday. YES, longer than expected - AGAIN! Finally everything is fine! Most rushed build I've ever done. Just took some quick pictures. Will be on a short holiday till next week. Then I'll start invoicing.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/p2QlShj.jpg)


The plate for this sample is not galvanized cause they only do it when they get a lot. This is why you can see the reflections of the plate between the caps. With the black galvanized plate in GB production, the reflections won't appear.

Thanks so much for your patience!

More pictures... (https://imgur.com/a/pkzeUhL)

Looking good :thumb: :thumb:

Enjoy your holiday!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Wed, 18 July 2018, 12:02:52
Was wondering why I didn't get an invoice yet :)

Consider me hyped.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 18 July 2018, 19:39:53
Was there ever a 75% sample made?

Also, does the sound change with the thinner material?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: macken on Thu, 19 July 2018, 03:48:14
Was there ever a 75% sample made?

Also, does the sound change with the thinner material?

Yes, what happened to the 75% sample?

I am also very interested in how the thinner material will affect the sound.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poblopuablo on Fri, 20 July 2018, 07:25:19
UPDATE

Got the sample Yesterday. YES, longer than expected - AGAIN! Finally everything is fine! Most rushed build I've ever done. Just took some quick pictures. Will be on a short holiday till next week. Then I'll start invoicing.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/p2QlShj.jpg)


The plate for this sample is not galvanized cause they only do it when they get a lot. This is why you can see the reflections of the plate between the caps. With the black galvanized plate in GB production, the reflections won't appear.

Thanks so much for your patience!

More pictures... (https://imgur.com/a/pkzeUhL)


Is it too late to join the GB? I just saw this and im interesed in a 75% :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 20 July 2018, 07:56:01
Is it too late to join the GB? I just saw this and im interesed in a 75% :)

He hasn't closed order form yet, or at least has not made any statement about it yet

Link is in OP, or here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfck00yqTRs9U3AQNxV9sZ21PdrS6qyiWw3ef9NOHr-E72Ofw/viewform?usp=sf_link
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: typischt on Fri, 20 July 2018, 08:50:20
Is it too late to join the GB? I just saw this and im interesed in a 75% :)

He hasn't closed order form yet, or at least has not made any statement about it yet

Link is in OP, or here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfck00yqTRs9U3AQNxV9sZ21PdrS6qyiWw3ef9NOHr-E72Ofw/viewform?usp=sf_link
I remember reading somewhere (either here or on Deskthority) that PlastikSchnittstelle said that as long as the form is open and you can fill it out, you will be part of the GB (since invoices will go out after the weekend or something).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 22 July 2018, 06:15:11
Was there ever a 75% sample made?

Also, does the sound change with the thinner material?

Yes, what happened to the 75% sample?

I am also very interested in how the thinner material will affect the sound.

The 75% sample:

Yes, you remember correctly, 75percent sample was planned. With the 75 sample we went through the problems with fractures. Had to adapt the design slightly for the 2mm thickness and before I sent the adapted data I had a sudden change of mind and went with 60YAS instead of 75.

The sound:

For the three builds I did with the 3mm thick version, I used only mx black type switches (cherry silent black lubed and stock and normal gateron black lubed)(the very first prototype before that was gateron black lubed as well). This way I could compare the switches and the effects of lubed vs stock and silent vs standard.
For this build - I’ve made a huge mistake (https://media.giphy.com/media/A0FGCbbooHe1y/giphy.gif), decided to go with ALIAZ SILENT SWITCHES (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/swtich/products/pre-orderaliaz-silent-switch-tactile). There is sooo much wrong with these switches, but that should go into a dedicated thread. They are nothing like linear switches also in terms of sound. I‘m so angry at myself for using these switches cause I knew they are flawed by design but I was curious anyway. Will desolder and trash them. You think you know so much about switches only from reading about them - but you only really know after you try for yourself.
So bottom line: sound is hard to compare with the different type switches. The felling I get is that the case doesn’t feel very different - still a sturdy metal case. Would still be the same if it was only 1.5 mm or even 1mm, below that I think the case wouldn’t be able to absorb the click clacks and start resonating like a sound instrument - but with the 2mm now, we are far from that. The most obvious to notice is that the final build is a bit lighter than the previous version. Will weigh it when I’m back.

Taking orders:

Yes, still taking orders. Only after I have collected at least 80% of the payment, I will place the final order so the production will start. That also means that until then I‘ll take orders, cause only then I need to name the final quantity numbers for each version. So if the order form isn‘t closed, you can place an order.

I‘m in Portugal right now and only have my phone with me. Painful to write this post on a mobile. So please understand that I’m not answering frequently while I’m here. Will be back by the end of next week. Then be able to write more again and do the invoices.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: hansichen on Sun, 22 July 2018, 07:02:25
Can't you swap the 60% hhkb build into the YAS case? Sure it'll look like **** but that should hardly affect the sound. That's probably the best comparisson that you can make at that point.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 22 July 2018, 07:40:23
Screw positions have slightly changed, but only moved a bit more outside so it could still work fitting the older version plate into the new case. Will try when I’m back. But desoldering a 60% isn’t a huge problem, would do it anyway.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Tue, 24 July 2018, 11:05:13
Only after I have collected at least 80% of the payment, I will place the final order so the production will start.

Does that mean the invoices have been sent out? I haven't received one yet.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 24 July 2018, 11:25:21
No invoices yet
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 29 July 2018, 07:32:02
exactly, not jet. just came back from holiday on friday. will do them next week. will not send them out all at once, so if you hear invoices are out but you haven't gotten one yet, be patient.

desoldered the YAS sample yesterday until late at night. took longer than expected. also lubed mx silent blacks. ready to rebuild in the next days.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 30 July 2018, 07:37:04
Just wanted to give you a last quick update before the invoices will be send out at the end of this week.

Like I promised, I desoldered the Gateron Aliaz silent switches (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/swtich/products/pre-orderaliaz-silent-switch-tactile) and replaced them with lubed Cherry Silent Black switches. The 2nd build (https://imgur.com/a/70J4e) was done with cherry silent black switches as well, so now I'm able to compare the new 2mm thick case version against the older 3mm thick version. Regarding sound and typing feel, I have to say that I wouldn't be able to tell the two versions apart. This just affirms that with "2mm thickness at this small scale we are still at level overkill." (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2633236#msg2633236)

I would have expected that the lower weight would become more noticeable in some way but that is hardly the case. Holding the 2mm and 3mm versions in my hands I can hardly tell the difference. The 3mm version weighs 998g and the 2mm version weighs 849g - so the difference for the finished build is pretty small, just around 150g.

So in short I'm really happy and relieved to say, that going from 3 to 2mm doesn't take away the overall solid feeling and its characteristics.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: LordHellmchen on Mon, 30 July 2018, 08:26:42
I'm currently in the process of getting a new mountainbike and I have very similar concerns there: weight of aluminium. Just in the opposite direction :) It's absurd how much more money one can spent to get less...

Back to topic: from the original milestones you planned to ship in September, I guess that will be more like Oktober now?

edit: and just to be clear - no issues with the delay. I'm super happy how that GB is running so far!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 30 July 2018, 08:57:05
Yes, you are right, will be October now. Can't believe it has already been taking sooo long. Will update the start post accordingly over the next days.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 30 July 2018, 22:26:11
Yes, you are right, will be October now. Can't believe it has already been taking sooo long. Will update the start post accordingly over the next days.

sometimes GBs just be like that
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ThomasTH on Tue, 31 July 2018, 00:18:00
Joined the GB yesterday last minute, hope i am still in :)

Excellent design, i really like it because it's so different then the CNC milled stuff we see every day and the price is really fair. The dope on case screws and black colour will be awesome with GMK Terminal imo
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 31 July 2018, 04:52:56
Joined the GB yesterday last minute, hope i am still in :)

yep, you are ;)

will take orders throughout the invoice/payment phase. maybe even after because I might round up some numbers and therefore will have a few extras to sell.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: ThomasTH on Tue, 31 July 2018, 12:12:06
Ok thanks - i just bought another one with JAS62 Layout and PCB :) gotta try something new  :))
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poblopuablo on Wed, 01 August 2018, 10:53:12
Joined the GB yesterday last minute, hope i am still in :)

yep, you are ;)


will take orders throughout the invoice/payment phase. maybe even after because I might round up some numbers and therefore will have a few extras to sell.


Planning to jump on board, looking at the 65% case, what MOQ are we at?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 01 August 2018, 11:39:13
Planning to jump on board, looking at the 65% case, what MOQ are we at?

we are at 160+
I just realized I haven't updated the pricing info in the start post yet, sorry will do soon.
this post mentions the current prices (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2633236#msg2633236).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Poblopuablo on Wed, 01 August 2018, 13:43:41
Planning to jump on board, looking at the 65% case, what MOQ are we at?

we are at 160+
I just realized I haven't updated the pricing info in the start post yet, sorry will do soon.
this post mentions the current prices (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2633236#msg2633236).

Thanks!

In the skb65 would there be enough froom for a battery? (Thinking of building with the yd68... Bluetooth PCB. And idk if there will be about 5mm extra distance between the bottom of PCB and the bottom of case. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 01 August 2018, 15:22:56
In the skb65 would there be enough froom for a battery? (Thinking of building with the yd68... Bluetooth PCB. And idk if there will be about 5mm extra distance between the bottom of PCB and the bottom of case. :)

even at the lowest angle of 6degree there is enough space under the upper three rows to stuff something under that is 5mm or even a bit higher. what I assume would be a problem is the fact that this is a full metal case and therefore the bluetooth signal might have a problem getting out. there are areas on the underside and a small portion of the backside that are open for screw access. maybe that is enough for the bluetooth signal to escape. it depends where the antenna is located i guess.

no guarantee this works reliable with bluetooth!

also be aware that the YD68 PCB has upside down switch orientation. that means you will have a problem when using thick cherry profile keycaps, like 1.5mm pbt. on some rows the keycaps collide with the switch housing when bottoming out. for that reason I try to avoide PCBs that have the switches turned 180degree.

in this post you find some more 65% options (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2605346#msg2605346).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Createx on Thu, 02 August 2018, 12:25:19
I think BT should work, with diminished range probably. I know that one of the BT boards KBDfans offers (DDmicro) actually comes with a downsized version of their 5degree case, so full aluminium. I bought the YD68BLE with this case in mind too, my travel version in a plastic case works beautifully at least :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 03 August 2018, 16:35:05
Here is an updated order list.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 August 2018, 06:55:23
Hey,
I sent an email to all participants. just summing up the recent development and informing about the next steps. also the new 15€ international shipping option. hope it didn't land in your spam folder. I know from scott that his went to spam, he uses gmail, so if you use gmail, there is a very good chance the mail landed in your spam as well.
want to send the invoices out later this day or tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: h3xadat on Sat, 04 August 2018, 10:06:21
Is it too late to jump on board?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: noobas4urus on Sat, 04 August 2018, 10:29:40
Yes, ended up in my spam as well with gmail, all the info looks good though.  Happy to see cheaper shipping!  Let's get these rolling  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: phal on Sat, 04 August 2018, 11:42:43
Arrived fine for me on Hotmail/Outlook.com :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Sat, 04 August 2018, 12:08:07
Hey,
I sent an email to all participants. just summing up the recent development and informing about the next steps. also the new 15€ international shipping option. hope it didn't land in your spam folder. I know from scott that his went to spam, he uses gmail, so if you use gmail, there is a very good chance the mail landed in your spam as well.
want to send the invoices out later this day or tomorrow.

Gmail routed it into Spam folder for me too - thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 August 2018, 14:44:18
Is it too late to jump on board?

no absolutely not too late!
orders will be accepted as long as the payment phase is still ongoing OR as long as the google form is open, you can join.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: theillumedpanda on Sat, 04 August 2018, 17:30:25
Is it too late to jump on board?

no absolutely not too late!
orders will be accepted as long as the payment phase is still ongoing OR as long as the google form is open, you can join.
So theoretically, I could also change to the YAS layout? Or would I cause even more hassle for you? I‘m looking forward to mine either way!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 August 2018, 17:51:27
So theoretically, I could also change to the YAS layout? Or would I cause even more hassle for you? I‘m looking forward to mine either way!

yep, you can still change your order until i send out the invoices tomorrow(sunday).
for changing it, just fill out the form again. I will delete the older entry.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: h3xadat on Sun, 05 August 2018, 09:46:58
Is it too late to jump on board?

no absolutely not too late!
orders will be accepted as long as the payment phase is still ongoing OR as long as the google form is open, you can join.

Great! I‘ve just placed my order.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Sun, 05 August 2018, 12:04:53
just saw that I had received an email from Plastikschnittstelle yesterday that landed in the gmail spam filter. be sure to check your spam box not to miss the invoice.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 05 August 2018, 15:38:25
Hey all!

Why haven't you gotten an invoice yet? I said this weekend, Sunday the latest!

Due to the many variants and different shipping option there is no way I can generate the Paypal invoices completely automated. I more or less generate all the 150 invoices one by one. I only have about 50 as of now. They are all saved as drafts. It's already late here, have to go to sleep and continue tomorrow. So I'll finish them tomorrow and when they are all done I'll send them.

The story of unexpected obstacles continues.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: ojrask on Mon, 06 August 2018, 08:03:22
No worries, a day or two won't do any harm. Rather take some time to do things properly than rush for no good reason. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Mon, 06 August 2018, 12:08:06
Invoices seem to be out :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Mon, 06 August 2018, 12:57:54
Haven't received an invoice yet, can anyone else confirm they're out?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: realxmlforce on Mon, 06 August 2018, 13:01:14
Haven't received an invoice yet, can anyone else confirm they're out?

yes invoices are out. I even got the mail twice ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Electrum on Mon, 06 August 2018, 13:02:06
Haven't received an invoice yet, can anyone else confirm they're out?

Nothing for me yet either.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Mon, 06 August 2018, 13:08:31
As I said earlier, be sure to check your spam folders.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: catamscott on Mon, 06 August 2018, 14:17:51
Hmm, been checking all morning but haven't gotten anything yet
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: ojrask on Mon, 06 August 2018, 14:23:14
I received the pre-invoice mail. No actual invoice yet, either in inbox or in spam.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Mon, 06 August 2018, 14:23:32
As I said earlier, be sure to check your spam folders.

I received the pre invoice email. However, no PayPal invoice email. I've checked spam and nothing there either.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 06 August 2018, 14:27:39
hey, I just sent out a few invoices to trigger a certain paypal notification that pops up when I approach the max monthly limit. had to put in some more personal info. if I had sent out all at once the account would have been frozen. now just above the limit and everything seems fine. just wanted to move careful, like always  ;D

to give all the rest the same chance to enter the raffle, I'll finish save them as draft and then send them out at once. takes really long, just putting the email in isn't enough, the whole address must go in. have about 70 now. guess I won't be able to finish them all this evening, so the big batch will go out tomorrow.

but it's good to know, that paypal behaves well.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 06 August 2018, 15:15:31
hey, I just sent out a few invoices to trigger a certain paypal notification that pops up when I approach the max monthly limit. had to put in some more personal info. if I had sent out all at once the account would have been frozen. now just above the limit and everything seems fine. just wanted to move careful, like always  ;D

to give all the rest the same chance to enter the raffle, I'll finish save them as draft and then send them out at once. takes really long, just putting the email in isn't enough, the whole address must go in. have about 70 now. guess I won't be able to finish them all this evening, so the big batch will go out tomorrow.

but it's good to know, that paypal behaves well.

I received my notification and my paypal invoice, and have paid! All good from my end ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: koduh on Tue, 07 August 2018, 00:24:39
hey, I just sent out a few invoices to trigger a certain paypal notification that pops up when I approach the max monthly limit. had to put in some more personal info. if I had sent out all at once the account would have been frozen. now just above the limit and everything seems fine. just wanted to move careful, like always  ;D

to give all the rest the same chance to enter the raffle, I'll finish save them as draft and then send them out at once. takes really long, just putting the email in isn't enough, the whole address must go in. have about 70 now. guess I won't be able to finish them all this evening, so the big batch will go out tomorrow.

but it's good to know, that paypal behaves well.

Hope mine is in that next batch. Twiddling my thumbs in anticipation for a SKB65!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: online on Tue, 07 August 2018, 04:57:55
received and paid yesterday.
Title: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: theillumedpanda on Tue, 07 August 2018, 09:53:20
Received the invoice a few minutes ago and paid!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Electrum on Tue, 07 August 2018, 09:57:03
Got the invoice and paid! Excited to get this

Edit: in my excitement I realized I paid for the 75% when I switched my order to the 65%
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Tue, 07 August 2018, 10:06:10
I got my invoice, but it's the most expensive shipping option. I only have 2 cases and 1 PCB. How can I go down to the less expensive one?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: E_rik on Tue, 07 August 2018, 10:20:55
Received the invoice and paid within a few minutes. Paying was super easy with PayPal. Thanks for all your work so far! Great job.


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 07 August 2018, 10:21:28
UPDATE (final sample and invoicing):

Yesterday I talked to the manufacturer. The final sample is still not made (SKB75). I will have it by the end of next week, hopefully. The quote for the higher quantity, I will also only get next week.

I can't start sending out invoices until I have both the final sample and the new quote.
The final sample is so important because with it will be decided if a slight design change will be made or not. Nothing drastic but I want to show it before invoicing.
Only with the final quote I can determine the final price for roughly 150 units. We are just about 20 units away from this at the moment. The reddit GB post I want to do as soon as I have the final sample should help us get there.

A US proxy is also something I wanted to look into. Need to decide about that as well before invoicing can start. A proxy would mean a lot of extra communication, planning and time. That's why I hope the new and cheaper shipping options I told you about here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2610962#msg2610962) are satisfactory for you. If so, we could get along without proxy. Need some opinions about that.

Orders are still taken for these reasons, obviously.

This is really bugging me out but at the moment I can't do nothing about it, but be patient.

Btw, almost none of you who ordered the HHKB version really cares about the 6U suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2613894#msg2613894), right?

Hey dude, this is a lovely board and I just got my invoice. Unfortunately 4 months have past since my initial interest in these boards and in that time I started looking into moving out from home. I just paid my deposit fee on my first apartment and can't afford anything related to this hobby for quite a while. :( Hopefully someone else will be able to pick up my spot. Sorry to let you know this way, I know these boards will be amazing and I can't wait to see pics of it when they comes out! I'm actually trying to sell everything to help me with all my expenses. :(
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: kmfmppl on Tue, 07 August 2018, 10:32:02
Paid, excited for this! :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 07 August 2018, 11:00:00
Hey dude, this is a lovely board and I just got my invoice. Unfortunately 4 months have past since my initial interest in these boards and in that time I started looking into moving out from home. I just paid my deposit fee on my first apartment and can't afford anything related to this hobby for quite a while. :( Hopefully someone else will be able to pick up my spot. Sorry to let you know this way, I know these boards will be amazing and I can't wait to see pics of it when they comes out! I'm actually trying to sell everything to help me with all my expenses. :(

I canceled your invoice. let's hope others hop on so we can keep the current numbers
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: yasintahir on Tue, 07 August 2018, 11:01:25
Hey dude, this is a lovely board and I just got my invoice. Unfortunately 4 months have past since my initial interest in these boards and in that time I started looking into moving out from home. I just paid my deposit fee on my first apartment and can't afford anything related to this hobby for quite a while. :( Hopefully someone else will be able to pick up my spot. Sorry to let you know this way, I know these boards will be amazing and I can't wait to see pics of it when they comes out! I'm actually trying to sell everything to help me with all my expenses. :(

I canceled your invoice. let's hope others hop on so we can keep the current numbers

When all invoice sent out ?  :p
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 07 August 2018, 11:07:35
I got my invoice, but it's the most expensive shipping option. I only have 2 cases and 1 PCB. How can I go down to the less expensive one?

one skb60 package is juuust under 1kg. not even 100% sure if the SKB75 will stay withing the 1kg limit if packed. two cases plus one pcb will weigh more than 2kg - I'm pretty sure of that. but let me check again...

btw, you only gave me your first name. for sending it, your last would be needed ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: tiydal on Tue, 07 August 2018, 12:54:40
Hey dude, this is a lovely board and I just got my invoice. Unfortunately 4 months have past since my initial interest in these boards and in that time I started looking into moving out from home. I just paid my deposit fee on my first apartment and can't afford anything related to this hobby for quite a while. :( Hopefully someone else will be able to pick up my spot. Sorry to let you know this way, I know these boards will be amazing and I can't wait to see pics of it when they comes out! I'm actually trying to sell everything to help me with all my expenses. :(

This is also my exact situation pretty much, apart from I'm waiting to pay my deposit. I came on the thread to read up before I contacted to cancel my invoice.

I hope everyone really enjoys it, I would of loved to have one.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: ampt on Tue, 07 August 2018, 13:19:58
Paid! Can't wait to get started on this build!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS and ORTHOLINEAR)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 07 August 2018, 14:14:43
Hey dude, this is a lovely board and I just got my invoice. Unfortunately 4 months have past since my initial interest in these boards and in that time I started looking into moving out from home. I just paid my deposit fee on my first apartment and can't afford anything related to this hobby for quite a while. :( Hopefully someone else will be able to pick up my spot. Sorry to let you know this way, I know these boards will be amazing and I can't wait to see pics of it when they comes out! I'm actually trying to sell everything to help me with all my expenses. :(

I canceled your invoice. let's hope others hop on so we can keep the current numbers

Not meant to come across as nagging, but did you cross-list this GB over on RMK/mechmarket since finalizing all the details? I'm not sure if you want to handle a larger volume of orders or it's currently just manageable as it is, but with everything at the invoicing stage you should be able to get a good handful more to boost final order count.

Very excited!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: catamscott on Tue, 07 August 2018, 16:55:46
invoice paid, hoping I got in the first 100  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: 112227 on Tue, 07 August 2018, 20:05:28
Paid my invoice for SKB60WKL and extra plate.
Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: noobas4urus on Tue, 07 August 2018, 21:39:00
(https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Shados on Wed, 08 August 2018, 01:53:02
Paid.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: C7Kinetic on Wed, 08 August 2018, 04:32:13
Paid! Now the real wait begins  :p
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 08 August 2018, 15:25:07
short update,
around 80 of 150 have already paid their invoice.

happy to say that I had only very few mistakes in the invoices. I think so far only three or four had contacted me cause i had put the wrong version or amount on the invoice.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Wed, 08 August 2018, 17:09:16
Hey there, I replied to the invoice with updated info, but haven't gotten the new invoice yet. Just wanted to make sure you received it. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: jgjl on Wed, 08 August 2018, 17:19:29
Paid my invoice,

Thank you!

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Draic on Thu, 09 August 2018, 01:19:14
I think so far only three or four had contacted me cause i had put the wrong version or amount on the invoice.

That statement confuses me a little. My invoice states: "SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS, Ortho)"
Only thing I can check is the amount of keyboards (1), but I can not verify that you have me down for the correct kind.

If you want people to verify the choices, you need to put case and plate type on the invoice. Or have you done that on later invoices? .,.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: hansichen on Thu, 09 August 2018, 03:32:29
Including the specific boards would probably make it even more complicated as there are nearly 150 invoices to make. You can check you order in this pdf file: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2645802#msg2645802
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 August 2018, 04:04:47
Hey there, I replied to the invoice with updated info, but haven't gotten the new invoice yet. Just wanted to make sure you received it. Thanks!

ok, sorry,
so you want the skb60-yas, yas-pcb and skb65, right?

I updated your invoice (full name now).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 August 2018, 04:10:26
I think so far only three or four had contacted me cause i had put the wrong version or amount on the invoice.

That statement confuses me a little. My invoice states: "SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS, Ortho)"
Only thing I can check is the amount of keyboards (1), but I can not verify that you have me down for the correct kind.

If you want people to verify the choices, you need to put case and plate type on the invoice. Or have you done that on later invoices? .,.

they all have the same price, so I treat them as one item to simplify the invoicing process for me. check the last updated order list (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2645802#msg2645802), there you can see which SKB60 you ordered, WAIT... just looked it up, you ordered the HHKB version.

ah, yeah, just like hansichen mentioned just before
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: ojrask on Thu, 09 August 2018, 10:55:56
Paid my invoice, everything seemed to be correct on it.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Data on Thu, 09 August 2018, 12:29:34
Hey, I'm not ignoring my invoice.  Will pay it tomorrow morning for sure.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: Draic on Thu, 09 August 2018, 13:38:13
I think so far only three or four had contacted me cause i had put the wrong version or amount on the invoice.

That statement confuses me a little. My invoice states: "SKB60 (Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS, Ortho)"
Only thing I can check is the amount of keyboards (1), but I can not verify that you have me down for the correct kind.

If you want people to verify the choices, you need to put case and plate type on the invoice. Or have you done that on later invoices? .,.

they all have the same price, so I treat them as one item to simplify the invoicing process for me. check the last updated order list (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2645802#msg2645802), there you can see which SKB60 you ordered, WAIT... just looked it up, you ordered the HHKB version.

ah, yeah, just like hansichen mentioned just before

Ye, I was never worried about my order. BUT this is still bad practice. The invoice should state for what I paid the money.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices will go out shortly)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 August 2018, 14:37:25
BUT this is still bad practice. The invoice should state for what I paid the money.

That is absolutely correct, can't argue that!

But automating the invoices wasn't possible, there was too much wrong with how I set up the google form in the first place. For example no dedicated fields for first and last name, no country dropdown so I got different variations of the same country (USA, US, U.S.A, United States, United States of America....). Also had to google some state names (hadn't offered a field for that). Generally all courtiers have different ways of address systems. These were just a few things that forced me to do every single invoice for itself. It took me three hole days. So please understand that I took every chance possible to reduce unnecessary clicks, fields to fill out and options to choose from.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Set on Thu, 09 August 2018, 21:54:41
Hi guys, I've ordered the SKB60-HHKB version and I think I may be a bit over my head.
I was under the assumption that I could just transfer my HHKB pieces INTO this casing and I'd be good to go.
Since placing my order, I've learned more and more about this /hobby/ and am now aware to how much work I'm getting myself into haha.

If someone could recommend a PCB that would fit my case I'd appreciate it.

Any other tips / list of things I'll need moving forward would be amazing.

Thanks for all your help!
A.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Data on Fri, 10 August 2018, 08:21:05
Hey, I'm not ignoring my invoice.  Will pay it tomorrow morning for sure.  :thumb:

[PAID]
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: hansichen on Fri, 10 August 2018, 08:22:37
Hi guys, I've ordered the SKB60-HHKB version and I think I may be a bit over my head.
I was under the assumption that I could just transfer my HHKB pieces INTO this casing and I'd be good to go.
Since placing my order, I've learned more and more about this /hobby/ and am now aware to how much work I'm getting myself into haha.

If someone could recommend a PCB that would fit my case I'd appreciate it.

Any other tips / list of things I'll need moving forward would be amazing.

Thanks for all your help!
A.

Every standard 60% pcb should fit this case. You can have a look for the gh60 pcbs or the dz60 on aliexpress/kbdfans.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Fri, 10 August 2018, 12:03:19
Hi guys, I've ordered the SKB60-HHKB version and I think I may be a bit over my head.
I was under the assumption that I could just transfer my HHKB pieces INTO this casing and I'd be good to go.
Since placing my order, I've learned more and more about this /hobby/ and am now aware to how much work I'm getting myself into haha.

If someone could recommend a PCB that would fit my case I'd appreciate it.

Any other tips / list of things I'll need moving forward would be amazing.

Thanks for all your help!
A.

Test your PCB before soldering anything.

Put. The Stabs. First.
Also clip and lube them properly.
Get good stabs. OG Cherry, GMK, Zeal are good. Take caution with others. Avoid random cheap Chinese "Cherry-style" stabs.

Before screwing your case together, make sure you can reset your PCB with a key combo.

If you plan on putting in under-key lighting but aren't sure which color yet, get sip sockets. Also get small (1x2x3mm) LEDs or Cherry caps are gonna hit them.

If you decide to lube, don't overlube and don't use lube that is too thick.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Sat, 11 August 2018, 11:16:55
Do you have the first 100 payments yet? I paid Thursday, I'd like to see if I made it into the drawing.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 12 August 2018, 04:40:18
We are over 90 payments. 94.

So we have about two thirds. Not sure if this is good or bad, I tend to believe it is more good. Think it's normal that many pay at the last day - often did it like that myself.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Sun, 12 August 2018, 06:40:58
When I ran a switch GB, quite a few people messaged me saying they'll pay when they get their payday at the end of the month. Expect some people to pay at the end of the month.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Sun, 12 August 2018, 14:06:03
We are over 90 payments. 94.

So we have about two thirds. Not sure if this is good or bad, I tend to believe it is more good. Think it's normal that many pay at the last day - often did it like that myself.
Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: typischt on Mon, 13 August 2018, 09:36:38
Finally decided to pull the trigger, really excited about it!  :thumb:  ;D
One quick question which probably has been asked a few times already, but wasn't able to find anything about it with a quick look through the thread: In the order PDF, there is the SKB60 STD PL-B plate, which is not available in the order form (or in the OP). What exactly is this plate B?
Since I ordered a WKL, I'm guessing it doesn't matter anyways, because this has "it's own category", but still want to know and be sure.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: typischt on Mon, 13 August 2018, 10:18:25
Finally decided to pull the trigger, really excited about it!  :thumb:  ;D
One quick question which probably has been asked a few times already, but wasn't able to find anything about it with a quick look through the thread: In the order PDF, there is the SKB60 STD PL-B plate, which is not available in the order form (or in the OP). What exactly is this plate B?
Since I ordered a WKL, I'm guessing it doesn't matter anyways, because this has "it's own category", but still want to know and be sure.
Wow, you are super fast! Already received the invoice and paied! Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 13 August 2018, 10:21:24
What exactly is this plate B?
Since I ordered a WKL, I'm guessing it doesn't matter anyways, because this has "it's own category", but still want to know and be sure.

it was a plate that combined YAS and DZ60 layouts. at that time there was only the A and B plate for 60%.  DZ60 that is a PCB that supports the arrow cluster cramped into the standard 60% with lots of 1U keys in the lower right area. Only very few actually choose it so I decided to drop it and offer a dedicated YAS plate instead. so now it is Plate-A and Plate-YAS for 60%. yep, a bit confusing :)
with your SKB60-WKL comes a plate, the right plate is always included. you added an extra PLATE-A, so you will  have the ability to make a quick swap. also sent you the info mail, you use gmail so please check your spam for it.

Wow, you are super fast! Already received the invoice and paied! Thanks a lot!

oh, it is sooo much easier and quicker to write just one invoice instead of 150 :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 August 2018, 04:00:49
99 have paid their invoice so far.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 19 August 2018, 09:11:54
Heya, curious, any way to get any other color than black? :p


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Sun, 19 August 2018, 09:49:40
Heya, curious, any way to get any other color than black? :p


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He did mention you could request it as raw aluminum for you to have powdercoated or cerakoted. Not sure if it's something he's still offering
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 August 2018, 03:49:16
Heya, curious, any way to get any other color than black? :p

hey, only black is available. the case (top and bottom part) is black anodized aluminium. the plate is black galvanized steel.
there were two or three in the very beginning who asked if they could get their parts raw/untreated. I said OK, so they get it raw, but that was an exception, I can't offer this to more people. there are already so many versions together with different shipping options that make the whole GB very complicated to handel. It's just black now.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 August 2018, 03:50:37
100 have paid, so I'll make that raffle soon and let you know who the lucky ones are.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Data on Mon, 20 August 2018, 07:48:02
(https://i.imgur.com/OX03dmj.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 20 August 2018, 11:42:41
Heya, curious, any way to get any other color than black? :p

hey, only black is available. the case (top and bottom part) is black anodized aluminium. the plate is black galvanized steel.
there were two or three in the very beginning who asked if they could get their parts raw/untreated. I said OK, so they get it raw, but that was an exception, I can't offer this to more people. there are already so many versions together with different shipping options that make the whole GB very complicated to handel. It's just black now.
No problem :) was worth a try to ask ;)


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 27 August 2018, 13:58:47
Small update,

around 115 have paid so far.
have sent out reminders yesterday.
still a few to go but I'm pretty optimistic that we'll get there after the first week of september.
I'll also prepare a new order list so you can all see who has payed so far.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 31 August 2018, 07:56:52
UPDATE (PAYMENT STATUS):

I made a new order list - this time it also shows the payment status for each participant. There are still 41 invoices unpaid. We'll see after the first week of September is over, by then most of the invoices are due.

Please everyone check the list for mistakes.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 31 August 2018, 09:24:33
UPDATE (PAYMENT STATUS):

I made a new order list - this time it also shows the payment status for each participant. There are still 41 invoices unpaid. We'll see after the first week of September is over, by then most of the invoices are due.

Please everyone check the list for mistakes.

Out of curiosity, if the unpaid orders remain after deadline, will those count against MOQ and possibly change anything, or will you still order them and sell as extras?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 31 August 2018, 10:53:10
Good question. We need all the orders to get the price per unit. I could do about 10, maybe a bit more as extras to get there, but I can't do 40. Still don't think we need to worry, I think it's normal that many pay at the end.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Thu, 06 September 2018, 10:23:39
Last day. How's it looking?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 06 September 2018, 15:58:42
Last day. How's it looking?

Well, since my last post only a few more have paid. As of now there are still 38 unpaid. I'd like to split up this group into three different kinds:

A) Four of them asked if they could get some more time. Thanks to them, cause if I know they want to keep their commitment but just need some more time, then I can proceed, assured they'll pay later. No problem with that.

B) Most of those who haven't paid jet have kept quiet - I'd be thankful for some feedback like the ones from A) gave me.

C) This is the group most troubling for me as a GB runner. 13 have just canceled their invoice. I only noticed that last week. Was a bit confused when I noticed that the number of unpaid invoices went down without payments going in. So I went through the list in my paypal account and noticed "canceled" invoices - I didn't even know this was possible. Paypal doesn't gave me any kind of notification for this. I wrote an email to them, basically asking what's up but only one single person has answered. He mentioned having written a note for me on paypal along the cancelation but paypal does not show me any details about those invoices other than that they are marked as cancelled.
So it seems like this group just had fun filling out the form but didn't feel any kind of obligation. They pre-invoice Email summarized the latest development and I totally accepted any requests to drop out by then. But just disappearing is pretty not OK imo.

So what now:
25 still open and 13 cancelled. I'd like to wait for next week and hopefully some more of the 25 will pay or just contact me and ask for a delay. If the 25 stay committed then I will cover the 13 as extras and the order will be placed.

Backup plan:
SKB75 and SKB60-WKL samples incoming, ETA end of next week. Will put more effort in taking pictures (all before were just by phone) and make an official reddit post (had promised that long before anyway). This should help to get the amount that justified the price point all were paying.

Production:
I will give the go for production no later than September, even if I don't get the planned number of orders. Wouldn't be nice for me but the huge majority of you paid and have been waiting looong enough - thank you for your awesomeness!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 06 September 2018, 16:01:46
Oh, aaand I forgot to tell you about the raffle. The winners are written down on a piece of paper that I don't have with me right now. Will let you know tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 06 September 2018, 21:34:27
Last day. How's it looking?

Well, since my last post only a few more have paid. As of now there are still 38 unpaid. I'd like to split up this group into three different kinds:

A) Four of them asked if they could get some more time. Thanks to them, cause if I know they want to keep their commitment but just need some more time, then I can proceed, assured they'll pay later. No problem with that.

B) Most of those who haven't paid jet have kept quiet - I'd be thankful for some feedback like the ones from A) gave me.

C) This is the group most troubling for me as a GB runner. 13 have just canceled their invoice. I only noticed that last week. Was a bit confused when I noticed that the number of unpaid invoices went down without payments going in. So I went through the list in my paypal account and noticed "canceled" invoices - I didn't even know this was possible. Paypal doesn't gave me any kind of notification for this. I wrote an email to them, basically asking what's up but only one single person has answered. He mentioned having written a note for me on paypal along the cancelation but paypal does not show me any details about those invoices other than that they are marked as cancelled.
So it seems like this group just had fun filling out the form but didn't feel any kind of obligation. They pre-invoice Email summarized the latest development and I totally accepted any requests to drop out by then. But just disappearing is pretty not OK imo.

So what now:
25 still open and 13 cancelled. I'd like to wait for next week and hopefully some more of the 25 will pay or just contact me and ask for a delay. If the 25 stay committed then I will cover the 13 as extras and the order will be placed.

Backup plan:
SKB75 and SKB60-WKL samples incoming, ETA end of next week. Will put more effort in taking pictures (all before were just by phone) and make an official reddit post (had promised that long before anyway). This should help to get the amount that justified the price point all were paying.

Production:
I will give the go for production no later than September, even if I don't get the planned number of orders. Wouldn't be nice for me but the huge majority of you paid and have been waiting looong enough - thank you for your awesomeness!

Oh, aaand I forgot to tell you about the raffle. The winners are written down on a piece of paper that I don't have with me right now. Will let you know tomorrow.

Great updates, best of luck to all in the raffle!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: ThomasTH on Thu, 06 September 2018, 23:42:10
Just keep in mind that you should not bear the financial risk of this, if you can't get enough sold to reach the price point we had earlier you need to charge us remaining buyers more.

Some GB runners are too nice and cover these costs themselves but then end up in financial issues...

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Draic on Fri, 07 September 2018, 02:10:09
Just keep in mind that you should not bear the financial risk of this, if you can't get enough sold to reach the price point we had earlier you need to charge us remaining buyers more.

Some GB runners are too nice and cover these costs themselves but then end up in financial issues...

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Agreed. But I believe with advertising the GB on reddit in a couple of days, it should be possible to find new buyers for those slots
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Fri, 07 September 2018, 02:24:47
Why not post on Reddit immediately?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 07 September 2018, 03:28:56
Why not post on Reddit immediately?

because that reddit post is supposed to show not much else than the build of the two new samples (SKB60-WKL & SKB75) that I will hopefully get next week. a friend will help me taking nice pictures. for reddit I'll try to let the pictures speak for it self. don't just wanna link to stuff that you can already finde here.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Fri, 07 September 2018, 09:20:02
Last day. How's it looking?

Well, since my last post only a few more have paid. As of now there are still 38 unpaid. I'd like to split up this group into three different kinds:

A) Four of them asked if they could get some more time. Thanks to them, cause if I know they want to keep their commitment but just need some more time, then I can proceed, assured they'll pay later. No problem with that.

B) Most of those who haven't paid jet have kept quiet - I'd be thankful for some feedback like the ones from A) gave me.

C) This is the group most troubling for me as a GB runner. 13 have just canceled their invoice. I only noticed that last week. Was a bit confused when I noticed that the number of unpaid invoices went down without payments going in. So I went through the list in my paypal account and noticed "canceled" invoices - I didn't even know this was possible. Paypal doesn't gave me any kind of notification for this. I wrote an email to them, basically asking what's up but only one single person has answered. He mentioned having written a note for me on paypal along the cancelation but paypal does not show me any details about those invoices other than that they are marked as cancelled.
So it seems like this group just had fun filling out the form but didn't feel any kind of obligation. They pre-invoice Email summarized the latest development and I totally accepted any requests to drop out by then. But just disappearing is pretty not OK imo.

So what now:
25 still open and 13 cancelled. I'd like to wait for next week and hopefully some more of the 25 will pay or just contact me and ask for a delay. If the 25 stay committed then I will cover the 13 as extras and the order will be placed.

Backup plan:
SKB75 and SKB60-WKL samples incoming, ETA end of next week. Will put more effort in taking pictures (all before were just by phone) and make an official reddit post (had promised that long before anyway). This should help to get the amount that justified the price point all were paying.

Production:
I will give the go for production no later than September, even if I don't get the planned number of orders. Wouldn't be nice for me but the huge majority of you paid and have been waiting looong enough - thank you for your awesomeness!

I would be willing to purchase an extra if needed to keep the quoted prices, preferably an ortho skb60 or a skb75.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: giangpn on Fri, 07 September 2018, 14:52:19
Just keep in mind that you should not bear the financial risk of this, if you can't get enough sold to reach the price point we had earlier you need to charge us remaining buyers more.

Some GB runners are too nice and cover these costs themselves but then end up in financial issues...

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agree, I wouldn't mind paying extra to keep the GB going smoothly instead of put all the financial stress on the GB runner.

financial burden can get bigger quite fast, which increases the risk of another Ivan.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: pertain on Fri, 07 September 2018, 15:13:51
Just keep in mind that you should not bear the financial risk of this, if you can't get enough sold to reach the price point we had earlier you need to charge us remaining buyers more.

Some GB runners are too nice and cover these costs themselves but then end up in financial issues...

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agree, I wouldn't mind paying extra to keep the GB going smoothly instead of put all the financial stress on the GB runner.

financial burden can get bigger quite fast, which increases the risk of another Ivan.

Agreed. If the price point has to shift because of drop-outs, I'm fine paying more. No reason for you to take a loss.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 07 September 2018, 15:57:34
Please do let me (us) know if you need some more money for the case because of the deserters. I'm ready to put in some more money in case a higher MOQ is not reached now. No worries, thanks for sharing the problem openly. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Sat, 08 September 2018, 11:49:45
I'm very curious to hear where we stand 48 hours past the payment deadline
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: TyrionLannister on Mon, 10 September 2018, 21:06:10
I don't understand why you're so hesitant to put an actual GB post together on MM. It's not like reddit requires some higher level of effort, or that it attracts somehow worse people. It was a mistake, I think, just having it here and deskthority.

Now that you're needing more people, you're still only going to make the reddit post to show off 2 new builds? Just make a GB post with the new builds and all the current info. Use RES and it's literally copy/paste.

Hell, you could even ask people here (who have already volunteered...several times) to make a post over there. I just don't understand the resistance.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: glubazoid on Mon, 10 September 2018, 21:53:32
This thread is somewhat confusing, and I'd be interested in a WKL 60. What's the updated price point and ETA for these boards? Any more info would be great!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 11 September 2018, 06:12:16
Please do let me (us) know if you need some more money for the case because of the deserters. I'm ready to put in some more money in case a higher MOQ is not reached now. No worries, thanks for sharing the problem openly. :)

Thanks a lot for the offer but I won't take more money. A few more contacted me - they just need more time. Sadly most of the rest have preferred to stay silent.
But I'm positive the SKB60-WKL and SKB75 samples will help to convince a few more and get us to the amount I expected.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 11 September 2018, 06:29:53
I don't understand why you're so hesitant to put an actual GB post together on MM. It's not like reddit requires some higher level of effort, or that it attracts somehow worse people. It was a mistake, I think, just having it here and deskthority.

Now that you're needing more people, you're still only going to make the reddit post to show off 2 new builds? Just make a GB post with the new builds and all the current info. Use RES and it's literally copy/paste.

Hell, you could even ask people here (who have already volunteered...several times) to make a post over there. I just don't understand the resistance.

Like I mentioned earlier, please understand that I just want to get my hands on the new parts and show them instead of just linking to pics that the guys over at reddit probably have stumbled upon anyway. This time I wanna avoid lots of text, just convincing pictures. Hope you understand this one extra month is justified in light of the missing payments.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 11 September 2018, 06:48:23
This thread is somewhat confusing, and I'd be interested in a WKL 60. What's the updated price point and ETA for these boards? Any more info would be great!

Yes, sorry it is confusing because it grew over time and lots of information was added or changed.

Though we are not at 170+ due to the many who haven't payed jet, this is still the current price point:
- all 60% (SKB60) versions cost 115 Euro
- the 65% (SKB65) version costs 125 Euro
- the 75% (SKB75) version costs 135 Euro
- YAS PCB 37 Euro
- extra plate 20 Euro

would be much too complicated to refund you if you pay for a price point that is for a lower number. Everyone payed this so far and we'll keep it that way, I'm positive we'll get the 170units once I show the next sample parts.

Will place the order at the beginning of october, one month later than expected. production will take about one month. exact ETA is difficult since packing and sending roughly 150 packages will take some time, but I hope do get taht done in about two weeks (or is that too optimistic?). shipping takes some time so I assume ETA for US orders is december.

Just a note to avoid confusion because I talked about roughly 150 orders but the price point is for 170. This is because quite a few of the 150 who ordered, choose to get more than one case.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, orders still accepted)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 11 September 2018, 09:48:40
I don't understand why you're so hesitant to put an actual GB post together on MM. It's not like reddit requires some higher level of effort, or that it attracts somehow worse people. It was a mistake, I think, just having it here and deskthority.

Now that you're needing more people, you're still only going to make the reddit post to show off 2 new builds? Just make a GB post with the new builds and all the current info. Use RES and it's literally copy/paste.

Hell, you could even ask people here (who have already volunteered...several times) to make a post over there. I just don't understand the resistance.

I think the purpose of his waiting to blast it out on r/MK and r/Mechmarket is that the nature of the reddit decay system means those posts need to be high concentration of attention grabbing for the short attention spans and window that the post(s) will be visible before they get buried. I believe his intent is to put together a full final comprehensive GB post out on Reddit (Officially from him, I've offered unofficial assistance in the early stages), since the reddit post updates get missed easily.

I have the same confidence that reddit population will give this a nice surge of orders, but I also can understand that PlastikSchnittstelle also wants to ensure that all existing original orders are processed and paid first as a priority, and as a way to iron out the kinks before the final sprint. There's a lot of logistics involved with all the options this GB offers, and his transparency about the timeline has been well explained and understandable, and in my eyes is more welcome than how most usual GBs proceed.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: E_rik on Wed, 12 September 2018, 01:35:35
I have no problems paying a bit more or waiting a bit longer.


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: E_rik on Wed, 12 September 2018, 01:40:27
What’s the status for the YAS PCBs? Do you already have them in stock, did you already order them, or are you waiting until you received all payments? Do you have commitment from Yasin/Silentreader that he can deliver the amounts you need?


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: yasintahir on Wed, 12 September 2018, 02:43:58
What’s the status for the YAS PCBs? Do you already have them in stock, did you already order them, or are you waiting until you received all payments? Do you have commitment from Yasin/Silentreader that he can deliver the amounts you need?


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Don't worry about PCB, all will be sent to plastik after all payment complete  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Waven on Mon, 17 September 2018, 14:37:30
Any update?
Can you tell us the winners of the raffle?  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: kekstee on Tue, 18 September 2018, 05:56:14
Last thing I heard was that the protos were delayed again^^

Super difficult to run something this large, at least now he has a lot of paid orders as decent footing. Convincing a few more might work out. Otherwise I'd be fine with a small price bump as well, just fyi.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 18 September 2018, 09:58:41
Can you tell us the winners of the raffle?  ;D

Oh yes, the raffle, sorry I forgot about it again. Just dug out the piece of paper I wrote the winners down to. Here they are:

draic
johngodsmith
-pineapple-
noobas4urus
LightningXI

Like I had stated before, hansichen is added for being the first who joined the GB and Zuology for his help here in the forum.
To all of them, congratulations and please let me know which version you'd like to have added.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 18 September 2018, 10:23:37
Congrats to the raffle winners! Any news of the last round of samples?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 18 September 2018, 14:50:13
Any news of the last round of samples?

I was certainly too optimistic. don't have em jet. they treat them as "urgent", won't take much longer i assume.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: noobas4urus on Tue, 18 September 2018, 20:28:27
Can you tell us the winners of the raffle?  ;D

Oh yes, the raffle, sorry I forgot about it again. Just dug out the piece of paper I wrote the winners down to. Here they are:

draic
johngodsmith
-pineapple-
noobas4urus
LightningXI

Like I had stated before, hansichen is added for being the first who joined the GB and Zuology for his help here in the forum.
To all of them, congratulations and please let me know which version you'd like to have added.

Awesome awesome awesome!  Congrats to the other winners and thank you PlastikSchnittstelle!  Ausgezeichnet!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: rymnd6c28 on Mon, 24 September 2018, 01:13:01
I may have been one of the person you'd likely to convince with the SKB75 sample. Does it fit B.mini PCB from winkeyless? I'm also wondering if I can get the plate's SVG file if I joined for one.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 24 September 2018, 15:47:21
I may have been one of the person you'd likely to convince with the SKB75 sample. Does it fit B.mini PCB from winkeyless? I'm also wondering if I can get the plate's SVG file if I joined for one.
Hey, yes, that PCB will fit as well, like almost any other will. As long as you see your desired layout supported by one of the skb-plates, it will work. Since SKB is a top mount case, you don't need to care about screw hole positions in the PCB - they just aren't relevant.

SVG? So you wanna make a plate with your layout by using something like adobe illustrator? I don't feel good about this. SVG is for web, not for manufacturing and illustrator lacks the needed precision. If you don't want this to go wrong, please use CAD. Sure I'll give you a DXF file.

ELSE:
btw, last time I phoned the manufacturer about the status of the samples was thursday. at the time the parts were being bead blasted. got to be this week!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: rymnd6c28 on Mon, 24 September 2018, 21:20:45
I may have been one of the person you'd likely to convince with the SKB75 sample. Does it fit B.mini PCB from winkeyless? I'm also wondering if I can get the plate's SVG file if I joined for one.
Hey, yes, that PCB will fit as well, like almost any other will. As long as you see your desired layout supported by one of the skb-plates, it will work. Since SKB is a top mount case, you don't need to care about screw hole positions in the PCB - they just aren't relevant.

SVG? So you wanna make a plate with your layout by using something like adobe illustrator? I don't feel good about this. SVG is for web, not for manufacturing and illustrator lacks the needed precision. If you don't want this to go wrong, please use CAD. Sure I'll give you a DXF file.

ELSE:
btw, last time I phoned the manufacturer about the status of the samples was thursday. at the time the parts were being bead blasted. got to be this week!

I see, I asked for svg just because I didn't know what most ppl use. Sorry for the ignorance.
How about the USB cut out for B.mini?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 25 September 2018, 07:34:51
How about the USB cut out for B.mini?

Everything fine with the USB cutout, it's at the standard position, between the first and second key of the top row. some PCB's have the usb port perfectly centered between these two keys, some have it about 1mm more to the left or others more to the right. Some have the port extend out a bit more some less. All no problem, the cutout of the case accounts for that.

link to the B.mini PCB:
https://winkeyless.kr/product/b-mini-x2-pcb/
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: kmfmppl on Wed, 26 September 2018, 12:07:04
ELSE:
btw, last time I phoned the manufacturer about the status of the samples was thursday. at the time the parts were being bead blasted. got to be this week!

Great news! :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Mon, 01 October 2018, 09:48:15
I may have been one of the person you'd likely to convince with the SKB75 sample. Does it fit B.mini PCB from winkeyless? I'm also wondering if I can get the plate's SVG file if I joined for one.
Hey, yes, that PCB will fit as well, like almost any other will. As long as you see your desired layout supported by one of the skb-plates, it will work. Since SKB is a top mount case, you don't need to care about screw hole positions in the PCB - they just aren't relevant.

SVG? So you wanna make a plate with your layout by using something like adobe illustrator? I don't feel good about this. SVG is for web, not for manufacturing and illustrator lacks the needed precision. If you don't want this to go wrong, please use CAD. Sure I'll give you a DXF file.

ELSE:
btw, last time I phoned the manufacturer about the status of the samples was thursday. at the time the parts were being bead blasted. got to be this week!

It's now next week :p
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 02 October 2018, 13:36:31
It's now next week :p

Everything is ready for the samples. Got 200 cherry mx black from arrow delivered today. two different kinds of lube. PCBs I have enough already. Thought long and hard about the layout I'll use and the caps to put on. Camera is also here now. Just the samples haven't arrived jet. My hand's are tied atm, will call them tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Tue, 02 October 2018, 15:32:39
I hope when production starts for real, they crank them out faster than one per month...
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Tue, 02 October 2018, 16:32:13
I hope when production starts for real, they crank them out faster than one per month...

At this rate, it's less than 1 per month. These samples were ordered beginning of July...
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 October 2018, 07:30:22
I hope when production starts for real, they crank them out faster than one per month...

At this rate, it's less than 1 per month. These samples were ordered beginning of July...

That is not correct, I ordered these samples September 11th - that is less than a month ago. I think you mean the YAS sample - pictures of it are already embedded in the start post. One month is actually pretty quick. Laser cutting is one step. Then, at a different place, bead blasting and anodizing is done. The black galvanizing of the plates is done at jet another place. Two weeks ago I called and I was told the parts are being bead blasted. Last week I was told they are at anodizing. Can't call today because it's a holiday in Germany - "Tag der Deutschen Einheit", that day when the Berlin wall came down :)

It's also not like they need one whole month for this, they have more than one customer and my parts are just somewhere in the pipeline. Laser cutting and bending of one part is done very quickly. Setting the machines up takes more time and that's why making just a few samples is always expensive. It's what we call "Rüstkosten" in Germany. If they make 1, 10 or 100 parts, it will always take about a month.

The official date when the samples should be finished is the 5th of October - but I was told they'll treat the parts as "urgent". Well turns out that didn't mean anything :(

By the way, here you can see the kind of machines the parts are being made with. All Trumpf machines of course  ;D

LASER cutting, one of those machines (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/2d-laserschneidmaschinen/), look like this:

(https://www.trumpf.com/filestorage/TRUMPF_Master/_processed_/0/a/csm_TruLaser-Series-3000-twins_de734ba612.jpg)

Bending, one of these machines (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/biegemaschinen/), look like this:

(https://www.trumpf.com/filestorage/TRUMPF_Processed/_processed_/e/5/csm_TruBend-Series-3000-B26-product-picture_8b7b855480_d39d9b9bbf.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Thu, 04 October 2018, 12:51:08
Don't worry, I was mostly joking :)

In the end, for me it really only makes a difference if this arrives before or after GMK Space Cadet. MD expects that to be 11. Jan which probably means mid February.

But thanks for the update anyway!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 04 October 2018, 14:55:14
the samples (SKB75 and SKB60-WKL) are on the way. would be great if they would arrive before the weekend so I could finish everything at the weekend but not sure, maybe they will only arrive on monday.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 07 October 2018, 11:24:06
the samples (SKB75 and SKB60-WKL) are on the way. would be great if they would arrive before the weekend so I could finish everything at the weekend but not sure, maybe they will only arrive on monday.

Thanks for the update!

I am sure the new samples will also help the final Reddit post you are going to submit for this GB
Best all luck!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 08 October 2018, 15:57:55
UPDATE: SUPERMEGAFINAL SMAPLES ARRIVED

the samples (2x SKB60-WKL and 2x SKB75) arrived on friday. I spent the whole weekend modding switches and building the boards (including a ghetto mod, hint: bottom row of the 75% boards). Today I went out and found a nice spot where I took pictures. Sorry that the boards (especially to one with the tai hao caps) are quite dirty on the pictures. I hadn't noticed that before I went outside and at the spot I didn't had anything with me for cleaning.
Here is a little teaser before I'll create an imgur album with a lot more pictures:

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

Will have the reddit post ready in the coming days. Regarding this I came up with another way of throwing some more extra SKBs at you:
The two who will be the most helpful (answering questions for example) in the reddit thread will receive one extra SKB of their choice  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 08 October 2018, 16:05:13
UPDATE: BOARDWALK SUPPORT (SKB60-BW)

some time ago I was asked by one of you if I would consider offering a plate for a PCB that was then called the "Ergo60". Back then I declined because the project was already complex enough. Now that I have to make up for missing payments and after two more asked me about a plate for that PCB, I contacted shensmobile and I got his blessing to offer a SKB60-Boardwalk version as well.

How will this go down?
I won't support all the possible layout for the Boardwalk PCB since the plate wouldn't look nice. I'll offer not one but two different Boardwalk plates (the only way to avoid huge holes in the bottom row). If you already are a part of the SKB-GB and you want to switch to a SKB60-BW version or add one, please PM me. If you read this, want SKB60-BW but are not jet a participant in this GB, then please have a bit more patience. Once I post on reddit, I'll have new pictures ready and by then the google order form will have the SKB-BW versions included as well.

Here you can see how a Boardwalk version will look like:
(https://i.imgur.com/i5sHQhx.png)

Here you can find more pictures including the plates:
https://imgur.com/a/7xaVgR5

If one or both of the plates get a minimum of ten orders, then they will happen.

Link to the Boardwalk IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97211.0
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: kim-kim on Mon, 08 October 2018, 17:28:12
UPDATE: BOARDWALK SUPPORT (SKB60-BW)

some time ago I was asked by one of you if I would consider offering a plate for a PCB that was then called the "Ergo60". Back then I declined because the project was already complex enough. Now that I have to make up for missing payments and after two more asked me about a plate for that PCB, I contacted shensmobile and I got his blessing to offer a SKB60-Boardwalk version as well.

How will this go down?
I won't support all the possible layout for the Boardwalk PCB since the plate wouldn't look nice. I'll offer not one but two different Boardwalk plates (the only way to avoid huge holes in the bottom row). If you already are a part of the SKB-GB and you want to switch to a SKB60-BW version or add one, please PM me. If you read this, want SKB60-BW but are not jet a participant in this GB, then please have a bit more patience. Once I post on reddit, I'll have new pictures ready and by then the google order form will have the SKB-BW versions included as well.

Here you can see how a Boardwalk version will look like:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/i5sHQhx.png)


Here you can find more pictures including the plates:
https://imgur.com/a/7xaVgR5

If one or both of the plates get a minimum of ten orders, then they will happen.

Link to the Boardwalk IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97211.0

Yeah, finally support for Boardwalk!
Thank you for having us building SKB60-BW much easier! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: johngodsmith on Mon, 08 October 2018, 22:35:24
Damn, still can't believe I was lucky enough to be chosen, thanks for all the hard work Chris. The 75's are looking great, can't wait!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: matthmattix on Tue, 09 October 2018, 08:15:08
Thanks for all the detail and updates!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: tiydal on Tue, 09 October 2018, 16:55:33
UPDATE: SUPERMEGAFINAL SMAPLES ARRIVED

the samples (2x SKB60-WKL and 2x SKB75) arrived on friday. I spent the whole weekend modding switches and building the boards (including a ghetto mod, hint: bottom row of the 75% boards). Today I went out and found a nice spot where I took pictures. Sorry that the boards (especially to one with the tai hao caps) are quite dirty on the pictures. I hadn't noticed that before I went outside and at the spot I didn't had anything with me for cleaning.
Here is a little teaser before I'll create an imgur album with a lot more pictures:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Will have the reddit post ready in the coming days. Regarding this I came up with another way of throwing some more extra SKBs at you:
The two who will be the most helpful (answering questions for example) in the reddit thread will receive one extra SKB of their choice  :eek:


Looks great!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: feralfoo on Tue, 09 October 2018, 20:54:40
Have added one of the Boardwalk Type 2 plates to my order, hopefully we hit 10+ to make it a thing!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Draic on Wed, 10 October 2018, 07:15:40
including a ghetto mod, hint: bottom row of the 75% boards

I don't see any difference. What does this mod change?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 10 October 2018, 07:24:24
including a ghetto mod, hint: bottom row of the 75% boards

I don't see any difference. What does this mod change?

I'm not seeing it on first glance either. Curious to hear what the "mod" is on the 75% bottom row! All I'm seeing is the 6u spacebar with 1.5u ctrl/alt and 1u windows key (75% tsangan?)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 11 October 2018, 05:15:58
including a ghetto mod, hint: bottom row of the 75% boards

I don't see any difference. What does this mod change?

I'm not seeing it on first glance either. Curious to hear what the "mod" is on the 75% bottom row! All I'm seeing is the 6u spacebar with 1.5u ctrl/alt and 1u windows key (75% tsangan?)

Yep, that's basically it. PCB and two switches had to be modded in order to get me that bottom row. The PCB is the KBD75 and that does only support [1.25U|1.25U|1.25U|6.25U...] or [1.5U|1.5U|7U...]. I'm generally not a big fan of all .25U steps and really like the bigger 1.5U mods but I also find the win-key very useful. So I had to file the holes in the PCB and mod the switches. No more pins down from the bottom of the switch but small wires escaping to the side, they got wired around the pcb and then soldered to the existing spots. Had to kill quite a lot of switches for that but it worked, I got what I wanted! The 6U spacebar was luckily already supported by the PCB.

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 11 October 2018, 05:44:53
I'll have the pictures, the reddit post and the updated google form ready hopefully still this day, if not tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 11 October 2018, 07:02:19
including a ghetto mod, hint: bottom row of the 75% boards

I don't see any difference. What does this mod change?

I'm not seeing it on first glance either. Curious to hear what the "mod" is on the 75% bottom row! All I'm seeing is the 6u spacebar with 1.5u ctrl/alt and 1u windows key (75% tsangan?)

Yep, that's basically it. PCB and two switches had to be modded in order to get me that bottom row. The PCB is the KBD75 and that does only support [1.25U|1.25U|1.25U|6.25U...] or [1.5U|1.5U|7U...]. I'm generally not a big fan of all .25U steps and really like the bigger 1.5U mods but I also find the win-key very useful. So I had to file the holes in the PCB and mod the switches. No more pins down from the bottom of the switch but small wires escaping to the side, they got wired around the pcb and then soldered to the existing spots. Had to kill quite a lot of switches for that but it worked, I got what I wanted! The 6U spacebar was luckily already supported by the PCB.

Ah I noticed that bot row layout was available on the xd84/eepw84 pcb, and just assumed the new kbd75 pcb revision supported it too maybe! I think the layout looks good, but I can't think of any of my sets that have 6u.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: E_rik on Fri, 12 October 2018, 12:30:53
No more pins down from the bottom of the switch but small wires escaping to the side, they got wired around the pcb and then soldered to the existing spots. Had to kill quite a lot of switches for that but it worked, I got what I wanted! The 6U spacebar was luckily already supported by the PCB.
Wow. I never thought of that possibility. Thanks.


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Delirious on Fri, 12 October 2018, 14:21:25
I just realize for the 75%, the top left screw for the plate falls right on top of the usb port. Can we get an underside picture of the top piece with the plate screwed-in?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 12 October 2018, 14:30:51
I just realize for the 75%, the top left screw for the plate falls right on top of the usb port. Can we get an underside picture of the top piece with the plate screwed-in?

I don't have the time at the moment to dig back to it in IC thread, but that concern has been addressed in full by PlastikSchnittstelle previously. He has tested with a few sizes/makes of USB cables, and unless the head/shroud surrounding the connector isn't abnormally shaped or overly large, the screw will not impede the port. Otherwise, you can easily modify cheaper cables by shaving the excess plastic off around the connector. If concerned about fit of USB-C (wider than Mini), the sample SKB75 he just built is using KBD75v2 plate with USB-C, and he did not mention any issues there.

Edit: I lied, had the time to dig...

Quote
Any of the popular PCBs with the USB port on the left side will fit.

PCBs need to have USB port on left side, type irrelevant as long as it fits into the top left cutout window. Unsure if there's a limitation to if the port is top or bottom of PCB. I think back in the IC thread he says the cutout is fairly large to compensate for the different "popular" PCBs. The port cutout is directly under the top left corner screw, for reference if you want to math out the dimensions. These pics show it somewhat clearly.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0STNFqt.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/dI9piMR.jpg)

Show Image
(https://imgur.com/5mV5vHN.jpg)

Show Image
(https://imgur.com/XuyZB9u.jpg)




Told you I'd buy some cables just to make sure there won't be any issues. Got them today. Two with USB-Mini-B plug and another two with USB-C plug. They all fit without interfering. Seems like my "make-sure-the-cable-fits" warning was a bit exaggerated. Let me explain again: It's not about making the cutout big enough - that's not a problem of course, it's about the screw coming down from the top, exactly where the cable is. But like I said, just enough clearance so the screw doesn't touch any of the four cables I bought. These are the ones:
- deleyCON mini USB (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00WHZ8KGW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AmazonBasics USB 2.0 A-Stecker auf Mini-B-Stecker (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00NH13S44/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AUKEY USB C Kabel auf USB A (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B073R97KJW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
- AmazonBasics - USB C Kabel auf USB Typ  (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01GGKYR2O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 12 October 2018, 18:35:39
hey I just posted the GB on reddit.
I really hope this makes up for at least some of the missing ones.
hope I can get your help there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9np9l4/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_keyboard_case/
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: wd9001 on Fri, 12 October 2018, 21:01:39
hey I just posted the GB on reddit.
I really hope this makes up for at least some of the missing ones.
hope I can get your help there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9np9l4/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_keyboard_case/

Hey! Might I also suggest putting the post up on mechmarket too? You may get some more exposure to the project as people who are interested in purchases tend to go there.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 12 October 2018, 21:34:38
Hey! Might I also suggest putting the post up on mechmarket too? You may get some more exposure to the project as people who are interested in purchases tend to go there.

ok, I'll do that, I wasn't sure where on reddit would be the right place to post it.
but gotta sleep now, already very late in germany, will post there tomorrow.
thanks for the hint.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 12 October 2018, 21:50:34
Very nice! Good luck to those participating and commenting over on the reddit thread(s) - be active and win that extra SKB!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 14 October 2018, 00:20:08
Well done!
Saw this GB on reddit and joined for one HHKB version and plate.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Mon, 15 October 2018, 08:30:58
Are we close? Did we get some from Reddit?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 15 October 2018, 08:59:44
Are we close? Did we get some from Reddit?

I think exactly ten now, not as much as I hoped but now I know I did all I could. Will have to make a decision on how many extras I will get, then place the order.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: tiydal on Mon, 15 October 2018, 14:53:25
Are we close? Did we get some from Reddit?

I think exactly ten now, not as much as I hoped but now I know I did all I could. Will have to make a decision on how many extras I will get, then place the order.

Ten is better than none, and when they arrive people will likely want in on the extras. :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 15 October 2018, 15:43:16
Are we close? Did we get some from Reddit?

I think exactly ten now, not as much as I hoped but now I know I did all I could. Will have to make a decision on how many extras I will get, then place the order.

Ten is better than none, and when they arrive people will likely want in on the extras. :D

that's exactly what I'm thinking. when pictures of your builds will start popping up, some more will want one.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: tiydal on Mon, 15 October 2018, 15:47:25
Are we close? Did we get some from Reddit?

I think exactly ten now, not as much as I hoped but now I know I did all I could. Will have to make a decision on how many extras I will get, then place the order.

Ten is better than none, and when they arrive people will likely want in on the extras. :D

that's exactly what I'm thinking. when pictures of your builds will start popping up, some more will want one.

Can guarantee it! It happens with every group buy haha
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: tiydal on Sun, 21 October 2018, 14:41:17
Any updates since the reddit post? :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: hansichen on Sun, 21 October 2018, 15:54:32
I think he was working on the final numbers (including few extras) recently so that he can submit the orders. So hopefully there'll be a confirmation soon  :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 22 October 2018, 07:50:07
UPDATE:

Last week I've been going through the google spreadsheet which is the output from the google form. After filling out the form, many of you wanted to change stuff. I had to check all communication (PMs from Gh, Dt and Reddit as well as emails) and make sure everything is correct in the spreadsheet. I put together a script that was supposed to help me. Paypal can output a file for me with all emails of the paid SKB-invoices and the script just compared that against the emails in the form entries. Strangely the amount of unpaid invoices was still quite high according to the output of the script. When I went through the list of unpaid ones I quickly noticed some names that I know for sure had paid. What was wrong? Well some of you paid the invoice with a Paypal account that had a different email address than the one you put into the order form. That's why the script didn't find a match. So in the end I found myself going through the whole sheet manually. Man I can tell you this together with bringing the order sheet in line with all the changes discussed via PMs took me quite some time. Had to check again so many times cause whenever I did, I found another mistake.

Now the spreadsheet is error free (99% sure)!

Result:
When I started sending out invoices, 149 had entered the order form and as you know a lot (over 40) hadn't paid after the first month. Now after another month has passed and thanks to the reddit post, 144 have paid their invoice and this means I now have to decide on how many extras I will add and then I can ask for a quote for final production, then pay and by doing so kicking of the production.

Until then:
The order form will remain open so getting an SKB is still possible. Who fills out the form will get an invoice quickly. If I'm out of extras of a particular version, I'll just take it out of the form.
I didn't had time to bring the Reddit GB post over to mechmarket jet, like some of you told me I should do so. I'll do that today (99% sure).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 22 October 2018, 07:53:16
Boardwalk:

Shensmobile will probably start his boardwalk GB today. Some of you had convinced me to add support for it as well. I made some more graphics to illustrations what layouts the two different SKB-Boardwalk plates enable.

See here (https://imgur.com/a/7xaVgR5)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 22 October 2018, 07:57:13
Two extra SKBs for help on Reddit:

I had promised to give away two more SKBs for the ones who would help out the most over at reddit. Of all who did I can't really tell who helped "more" so I'd like to make a mini raffle to decide. But before that I hope some of you will help out when I bring the reddit post over to mechmarket. Same for the Boardwalk version, I'll post separately for that as well.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 22 October 2018, 09:49:41
[...] I didn't had time to bring the Reddit GB post over to mechmarket jet, like some of you told me I should do so. I'll do that today (99% sure).

I removed the crosspost link from /r/mechanicalkeyboards that I temporarily listed on /r/mechmarket for you, just to prevent confusion or reddit error preventing you from cross-posting yourself :) Best of luck to those in the mini-raffle!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 22 October 2018, 10:19:22
perfect  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Data on Mon, 22 October 2018, 11:26:02
UPDATE:

Last week I've been going through the google spreadsheet which is the output from the google form. After filling out the form, many of you wanted to change stuff. I had to check all communication (PMs from Gh, Dt and Reddit as well as emails) and make sure everything is correct in the spreadsheet. I put together a script that was supposed to help me. Paypal can output a file for me with all emails of the paid SKB-invoices and the script just compared that against the emails in the form entries. Strangely the amount of unpaid invoices was still quite high according to the output of the script. When I went through the list of unpaid ones I quickly noticed some names that I know for sure had paid. What was wrong? Well some of you paid the invoice with a Paypal account that had a different email address than the one you put into the order form. That's why the script didn't find a match. So in the end I found myself going through the whole sheet manually. Man I can tell you this together with bringing the order sheet in line with all the changes discussed via PMs took me quite some time. Had to check again so many times cause whenever I did, I found another mistake.

Now the spreadsheet is error free (99% sure)!

Result:
When I started sending out invoices, 149 had entered the order form and as you know a lot (over 40) hadn't paid after the first month. Now after another month has passed and thanks to the reddit post, 144 have paid their invoice and this means I now have to decide on how many extras I will add and then I can ask for a quote for final production, then pay and by doing so kicking of the production.

Until then:
The order form will remain open so getting an SKB is still possible. Who fills out the form will get an invoice quickly. If I'm out of extras of a particular version, I'll just take it out of the form.
I didn't had time to bring the Reddit GB post over to mechmarket jet, like some of you told me I should do so. I'll do that today (99% sure).

That's good news.  My takeaway from this is that we won't need to adjust order prices now that almost everyone has paid.

I understand that you're still taking new orders from Reddit for a bit.  When can we expect production to begin?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 22 October 2018, 11:34:39
That's good news.  My takeaway from this is that we won't need to adjust order prices now that almost everyone has paid.

CORRECT!

I understand that you're still taking new orders from Reddit for a bit.  When can we expect production to begin?

Still this month. I plan to give them the final numbers this week and as soon as they have the quote ready, I'll pay and they can start.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 22 October 2018, 13:50:29
I just realized, that crossposting is super simple on reddit, now on mechmarket as well:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/9qgovx/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_keyboard_case/
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 22 October 2018, 15:12:54
oh and yesterday I was out again to take some more pictures. I hadn't shown any pics without caps. I took some off, now you can also see the plate.

here is the imgur album (https://imgur.com/a/8WV3wnD)

also over here (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9qhhh7/gb_skbxx_close_up_shots/)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 22 October 2018, 15:40:40
I just realized, that crossposting is super simple on reddit, now on mechmarket as well:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/9qgovx/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_keyboard_case/

:D Told you so! If anyone over here on GH has the time (and a reddit account), I'd suggest that they go on over to the /r/mechmarket crosspost and upvote it for visibility! (https://old.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/9qgovx/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_keyboard_case/)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 24 October 2018, 09:12:42
UPDATE (order list):

I updated the order list. Everyone should please check if his order is correct. Even if you had checked already in one of the earlier lists, please check again.
The ones who won an extra SKB have theirs already added in the list.

I have given up on those who got their invoice long time ago but still haven't paid. This is luckily not a problem anymore, since the posting on reddit has indeed made up for them.

There are a few who signed up after the reddit announcement but haven't paid jet. That's ok, since they just joined recently. They are accounted for in the order quantity.
I decided to put only those into this list who have paid their invoice. I think this is a more sensitive way, than exposing the others. List will be updated when more have paid.

Again as searchable PDF, attached to this post.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 24 October 2018, 10:37:00
UPDATE (order list):

I updated the order list. Everyone should please check if his order is correct. Even if you had checked already in one of the earlier lists, please check again.
The ones who won an extra SKB have theirs already added in the list.

I have given up on those who got their invoice long time ago but still haven't paid. This is luckily not a problem anymore, since the posting on reddit has indeed made up for them.

There are a few who signed up after the reddit announcement but haven't paid jet. That's ok, since they just joined recently. They are accounted for in the order quantity.
I decided to put only those into this list who have paid their invoice. I think this is a more sensitive way, than exposing the others. List will be updated when more have paid.

Again as searchable PDF, attached to this post.

Hey, mine is incorrect. I ordered an HHKB layout. Lazerbeamspewpew from Reddit.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 24 October 2018, 10:46:33
Hey, mine is incorrect. I ordered an HHKB layout. Lazerbeamspewpew from Reddit.

please check again, the sheet says one HHKB for you, so correct.
damn, you just scared me!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 24 October 2018, 10:52:52
Hey, mine is incorrect. I ordered an HHKB layout. Lazerbeamspewpew from Reddit.

please check again, the sheet says one HHKB for you, so correct.
damn, you just scared me!

Pretty sure you have me marked down as WKL: https://imgur.com/a/F5WopMt
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 24 October 2018, 11:12:24
Hey, mine is incorrect. I ordered an HHKB layout. Lazerbeamspewpew from Reddit.

please check again, the sheet says one HHKB for you, so correct.
damn, you just scared me!

Pretty sure you have me marked down as WKL: https://imgur.com/a/F5WopMt

we are both right. now I know what's wrong, you're in there twice, scroll a bit more down and there you'll find you with on HHKB. will delete your WKL entry. sorry for that, damn, managing this data is hard!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 24 October 2018, 11:13:49
Hey, mine is incorrect. I ordered an HHKB layout. Lazerbeamspewpew from Reddit.

please check again, the sheet says one HHKB for you, so correct.
damn, you just scared me!

Pretty sure you have me marked down as WKL: https://imgur.com/a/F5WopMt

we are both right. now I know what's wrong, you're in there twice, scroll a bit more down and there you'll find you with on HHKB. will delete your WKL entry. sorry for that, damn, managing this data is hard!

Cool, glad that's sorted out.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: tiydal on Wed, 24 October 2018, 11:35:39
UPDATE (order list):

I updated the order list. Everyone should please check if his order is correct. Even if you had checked already in one of the earlier lists, please check again.
The ones who won an extra SKB have theirs already added in the list.

I have given up on those who got their invoice long time ago but still haven't paid. This is luckily not a problem anymore, since the posting on reddit has indeed made up for them.

There are a few who signed up after the reddit announcement but haven't paid jet. That's ok, since they just joined recently. They are accounted for in the order quantity.
I decided to put only those into this list who have paid their invoice. I think this is a more sensitive way, than exposing the others. List will be updated when more have paid.

Again as searchable PDF, attached to this post.

Damn i didn't win an extra  :'( congrats to those who did
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: matthmattix on Wed, 24 October 2018, 11:59:41
UPDATE (order list):

I updated the order list. Everyone should please check if his order is correct. Even if you had checked already in one of the earlier lists, please check again.
The ones who won an extra SKB have theirs already added in the list.

I have given up on those who got their invoice long time ago but still haven't paid. This is luckily not a problem anymore, since the posting on reddit has indeed made up for them.

There are a few who signed up after the reddit announcement but haven't paid jet. That's ok, since they just joined recently. They are accounted for in the order quantity.
I decided to put only those into this list who have paid their invoice. I think this is a more sensitive way, than exposing the others. List will be updated when more have paid.

Again as searchable PDF, attached to this post.

Looks like I'm listed twice. Once as matthmattix and again as Matthmattix. Using either of those is fine, but I'm in for one HHKB. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 24 October 2018, 12:42:33
Looks like I'm listed twice. Once as matthmattix and again as Matthmattix. Using either of those is fine, but I'm in for one HHKB. Thanks!

damn your are right! corrected that in my spreadsheet as well, thanks for checking.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Thu, 25 October 2018, 09:47:38
Are we still expecting these before January? My V2 Zilents should be here in December, so I'll only be lacking this case for my build! I'm getting more excited about this every day!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 25 October 2018, 14:26:43
Are we still expecting these before January? My V2 Zilents should be here in December, so I'll only be lacking this case for my build! I'm getting more excited about this every day!

I think this is still possible. We know more once they send me the quote. Don't know how long they need for that, since surface treatment is done by another company.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Ruwey on Sat, 27 October 2018, 18:18:42
Is this group buy still running or did I miss it?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Sat, 27 October 2018, 18:25:57
Is this group buy still running or did I miss it?

Well it's been running for over 6 months and and no order has been placed yet, so I am guessing it's still running.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 28 October 2018, 05:55:45
Is this group buy still running or did I miss it?

Well it's been running for over 6 months and and no order has been placed yet, so I am guessing it's still running.

I decided on the final production numbers on Thursday and submitted them on Friday. Now they need to give me the quote for that, so I can pay and get the ball rolling.

The numbers I submitted include a few extras (more of the popular versions, less of the not so popular ones). So it is like I told a few times already - if you want an SKB, just fill out the form. You'll receive an invoice the coming day. If I'm out of extras for a particular SKB version, then I'll take it out of the order form.

EDIT:
BTW, payment started in mid August, that is not six months ago (GB post, yes, long time ago; IC post veeery long ago). Generally, YES, everything seems to take longer than expected and I'm sure no one else than me wants this to be done sooner than later because this is exhausting/demanding/stressful for me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Sun, 28 October 2018, 14:39:22
Is this group buy still running or did I miss it?

Well it's been running for over 6 months and and no order has been placed yet, so I am guessing it's still running.

I decided on the final production numbers on Thursday and submitted them on Friday. Now they need to give me the quote for that, so I can pay and get the ball rolling.

The numbers I submitted include a few extras (more of the popular versions, less of the not so popular ones). So it is like I told a few times already - if you want an SKB, just fill out the form. You'll receive an invoice the coming day. If I'm out of extras for a particular SKB version, then I'll take it out of the order form.

EDIT:
BTW, payment started in mid August, that is not six months ago (GB post, yes, long time ago; IC post veeery long ago). Generally, YES, everything seems to take longer than expected and I'm sure no one else than me wants this to be done sooner than later because this is exhausting/demanding/stressful for me.

Didn’t mean anything negative with my post, but looking at it now it was kind of badly phrased. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Sun, 28 October 2018, 20:56:39
Well it's been running for over 6 months and and no order has been placed yet, so I am guessing it's still running.
Didn’t mean anything negative with my post, but looking at it now it was kind of badly phrased. Sorry about that.

TBH I was initially going to write a little defense of the GB timeline in response to your first comment, but it's easy to mistake tone and intent with just bare text. Also, you weren't technically wrong! I'm more comfortable with how this process has been so far, and it's in stark contrast to other GBs with much smaller runs, limited options, and clarity on samples/process (compare this to the blind LZ MP sale, albeit a different caliber because of LZ's pedigree).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 30 October 2018, 17:51:45
Didn’t mean anything negative with my post, but looking at it now it was kind of badly phrased. Sorry about that.

No problem, didn't really took it negative. Anyway I feel like I have to comment on stuff that could be interpreted like I'm taking things lightly regarding this GB.
There is no denying, that delays happend. I guess this is caused by a mixture of things.

A) This is the first time I run a GB and it happens to be comparably big one.

B) Often I was just too optimistic regarding the timeline. I shouldn't have set the timeline based on my optimistic estimates, instead I should have been much more conservative with all the "milestones".

C) Often stuff got delayed because certain decisions had to be made and I acted like a ****. E.g. stuff like the cutout size of the USB hole changed so often and I just couldn't settle on it. When you know that the parts get produced over 100 times, decisions - even on seemingly less important details - aren't easy to make. Might have needed bigger balls in order to proceeded quicker at some points :(

D) The really most part of this GB isn't about design/construction and the case itself. Organizing and communicating is what takes most of the time. I happen to be very bad at both of these skillsets.

C) Apart from this GB I do have a life :)

Anyway, we have the biggest part behind us and now I just hope they don't need too much time for the quote. Then for me comes sourcing the screws, the packaging, packing, shipping, uuugh. For me this will only be over when everyone has his/her case and pictures of the builds start popping up.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 30 October 2018, 18:20:24
I forgot something, the mini raffle for helping me on reddit!
I just opened both the posts on r/MechanicalKeyboards (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9np9l4/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_keyboard_case/) and r/mechmarket (https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/9qgovx/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_keyboard_case/). For each I closed my eyes, scrolled wildly up and down, put my finger on the screen and opened my eyes again.
Here are the two lucky ones:

PON10
anfledd

congratulations, let me know which version you wanna add.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: FSund on Wed, 31 October 2018, 05:37:43
Hi, just checked your updated order list, and I see that you have correctly registered me with a 65%, but I didn't see the extra plate mentioned anywhere. Tried emailing you, but haven't gotten any replies yet, so I thought I'd try here. I'm FonderPrism in the form.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 31 October 2018, 06:50:53
Hi, just checked your updated order list, and I see that you have correctly registered me with a 65%, but I didn't see the extra plate mentioned anywhere. Tried emailing you, but haven't gotten any replies yet, so I thought I'd try here. I'm FonderPrism in the form.

Of course I answered you. We exchanged a few emails. Last, on 27.10.2018 I answered your this:
"Yes got it thanks a lot, I already corrected in my spreadsheet"

that was after the list you mention was uploaded (24.10.2018).
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: FSund on Wed, 31 October 2018, 07:12:01
Hi, just checked your updated order list, and I see that you have correctly registered me with a 65%, but I didn't see the extra plate mentioned anywhere. Tried emailing you, but haven't gotten any replies yet, so I thought I'd try here. I'm FonderPrism in the form.

Of course I answered you. We exchanged a few emails. Last, on 27.10.2018 I answered your this:
"Yes got it thanks a lot, I already corrected in my spreadsheet"

that was after the list you mention was uploaded (24.10.2018).

I am very sorry, somehow Google decided all your emails were spam..! So I haven't gotten any of your replies until now.
Sorry for the confusion!

I see now that everything is in order.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 31 October 2018, 07:21:00
I am very sorry, somehow Google decided all your emails were spam..!

Google doesn't like me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: r5d on Fri, 02 November 2018, 07:51:59
Google doesn't like me.

I like you! ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 02 November 2018, 10:33:55
Google doesn't like me.

I like you! ;)

Thanks,
I prefer you over google  :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 02 November 2018, 11:34:47
Just curious to hear if there's any early progress updates, but probably too soon since you just submitted full order last week, right? I'd be interested to see the manufacturing steps, from stock sheet/plate metal to cutting/stamping, to bending and blasting! I'm one of the weirdos who asked early enough on for a non-anodized kit, and am interested in seeing how it will actually look "raw".
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 04 November 2018, 10:50:59
Just curious to hear if there's any early progress updates, but probably too soon since you just submitted full order last week, right? I'd be interested to see the manufacturing steps, from stock sheet/plate metal to cutting/stamping, to bending and blasting! I'm one of the weirdos who asked early enough on for a non-anodized kit, and am interested in seeing how it will actually look "raw".

hey, sorry, it took me  while to answer, was a family weekend.
this is what i wrote at dt, still true:

Quote
No update jet.
I already called and mailed them so often when I was waiting for the first and later second batch of samples. Also the last quote took them quite a while. Back then I remember calling them a few times and be like: "do you have the quote for me?", "when will you have it?", "BUT I NEED THAT QUOTE ASAP!" I don't wanna do that anymore and it didn't help anyway. They are very busy, and the surface treatment for the aluminium parts is done by another company while the surface treatment of the plates by jet another. If they haven't sent me the quote by the end of next week I'll call them.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 09 November 2018, 06:45:52
Small update:

Called them today,
nothing new jet. They are very busy, they said they probably need another week for the quote.
Meanwhile I'll start sourcing screws and packaging.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Fri, 09 November 2018, 15:45:35
Small update:

Called them today,
nothing new jet. They are very busy, they said they probably need another week for the quote.
Meanwhile I'll start sourcing screws and packaging.

Does this affect the timeframe or is the plan still to ship in november?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Fri, 09 November 2018, 19:55:24
Small update:

Called them today,
nothing new jet. They are very busy, they said they probably need another week for the quote.
Meanwhile I'll start sourcing screws and packaging.

Just got a notice that my delayed Pulse is on the way to EU. I had this all timed and thought I would be screwed by a late shipping from SA, but no. Everything is on time but the case.

Can you spread out the damage to the budget on the cases if needed? Starting to believe their quoting will suck.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 10 November 2018, 02:59:13
Does this affect the timeframe or is the plan still to ship in november?
they need at least a month for production, so november is obviously not possible any more.

Just got a notice that my delayed Pulse is on the way to EU. I had this all timed and thought I would be screwed by a late shipping from SA, but no. Everything is on time but the case.
funny - as I was reading this, my door bell rang and SA pulse got delivered.

Can you spread out the damage to the budget on the cases if needed? Starting to believe their quoting will suck.
WHAT?! what damage? I ordered more cases now than the last quote. manufacturing more can only make it cheaper. there is no damage to spread out, where does that come from?!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Sat, 10 November 2018, 05:02:06
Just got a notice that my delayed Pulse is on the way to EU. I had this all timed and thought I would be screwed by a late shipping from SA, but no. Everything is on time but the case.
funny - as I was reading this, my door bell rang and SA pulse got delivered.

Nice! Hopefully you enjoy the set. If you have some extra time snap a picture with Pulse on a SKB. Bet it will be a match made in heaven.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: online on Sat, 10 November 2018, 07:27:14
Just got a notice that my delayed Pulse is on the way to EU. I had this all timed and thought I would be screwed by a late shipping from SA, but no. Everything is on time but the case.
funny - as I was reading this, my door bell rang and SA pulse got delivered.

Nice! Hopefully you enjoy the set. If you have some extra time snap a picture with Pulse on a SKB. Bet it will be a match made in heaven.
Excuse me, GMK Terminal is the perfect match for SKB in the universe ;D ;D ;D
My R2 Terminal is on the way, Cherry silent reds are lubed and I'm checking this post every day!!!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 10 November 2018, 15:45:37
I just realize, that both the SKB75 sample builds I did need a 6U spacebar. SA from signature plastics don't have 6U spacebars - DAMN, I really wanted to see the PULSE set on the SKB75. Will have to put it onto the ANSI SKB60-WKL next week.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Sat, 10 November 2018, 16:45:46
I just realize, that both the SKB75 sample builds I did need a 6U spacebar. SA from signature plastics don't have 6U spacebars - DAMN, I really wanted to see the PULSE set on the SKB75. Will have to put it onto the ANSI SKB60-WKL next week.

Looking forward to that! I bet the SKB + Pulse combo will look amazing.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: tiydal on Sat, 10 November 2018, 17:11:27
Possible to get some more pictures of the 60 WKL version? :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 14 November 2018, 09:46:30
Possible to get some more pictures of the 60 WKL version? :)

Yep, here you go:
[attach=1]
lighting was pretty bad. I took a few more shots under better conditions. I posted them here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9x159a/skb60wkl_with_sa_pulse_skbxxgb_extras_still/

Hope to get an answer from the manufacturer by the end of this week.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: SteffeMK on Wed, 14 November 2018, 09:55:54
Possible to get some more pictures of the 60 WKL version? :)

Yep, here you go:
(Attachment Link)
lighting was pretty bad. I took a few more shots under better conditions. I posted them here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9x159a/skb60wkl_with_sa_pulse_skbxxgb_extras_still/

Hope to get an answer from the manufacturer by the end of this week.
That looks so good, can't wait to get my skb60 wkl!

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Wed, 14 November 2018, 10:16:11
I don't like SA caps, but that looks awesome!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Wed, 14 November 2018, 11:32:45
Possible to get some more pictures of the 60 WKL version? :)

Yep, here you go:
(Attachment Link)
lighting was pretty bad. I took a few more shots under better conditions. I posted them here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9x159a/skb60wkl_with_sa_pulse_skbxxgb_extras_still/

Hope to get an answer from the manufacturer by the end of this week.

That is looking sweet. Hopefully the production can start soon.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: kim-kim on Thu, 22 November 2018, 04:57:59
So, any updates? Is the factory starting the production?  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 27 November 2018, 10:36:06
The order is submitted of course.
When they told me how long it would take, I tried to negotiate it but it wasn't possible to get it done quicker.
We are at a time of the year that is not favorable for a production run. Approaching the end of the year, many factories shut down for some time. Our manufacturer has a lot in the pipeline and the parts will probably not be done before they shut down. Same for the company that does the anodizing they will empty their big basins for cleaning at the end of the year.
So the bad news is that I will get the finished parts in February.
Had really hoped it would be faster.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: zzzaacchh on Tue, 27 November 2018, 13:00:36
The order is submitted of course.
When they told me how long it would take, I tried to negotiate it but it wasn't possible to get it done quicker.
We are at a time of the year that is not favorable for a production run. Approaching the end of the year, many factories shut down for some time. Our manufacturer has a lot in the pipeline and the parts will probably not be done before they shut down. Same for the company that does the anodizing they will empty their big basins for cleaning at the end of the year.
So the bad news is that I will get the finished parts in February.
Had really hoped it would be faster.


I feel better just knowing that the order is in.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 27 November 2018, 14:27:39
The order is submitted of course.
When they told me how long it would take, I tried to negotiate it but it wasn't possible to get it done quicker.
We are at a time of the year that is not favorable for a production run. Approaching the end of the year, many factories shut down for some time. Our manufacturer has a lot in the pipeline and the parts will probably not be done before they shut down. Same for the company that does the anodizing they will empty their big basins for cleaning at the end of the year.
So the bad news is that I will get the finished parts in February.
Had really hoped it would be faster.

Rather wait a little longer than rush things for no good reason. Thanks for the update and hopefully the manufacturers can get them done without hickups!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 27 November 2018, 15:10:13
Nothing to feel bad about - this is an expected/excusable delay since the project is firmly in the hands of manufacturing at this point and a busy/hectic end-of-year applies for everyone!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: omikron on Wed, 28 November 2018, 11:50:39
Some info for the GB participants - I was concerned about the lack of feedback and information from the GB organizer since there was no updates for quite a while and when I finally got a response regarding update it was questionable.

So I asked to provide me with the name of the company that does the metal work since my own project may help with production quota and I was planning to submit my order to the same manufacturer. Got another very questionable response from the GB organizer. Then he approached me personally and offered me a refund, which is not what I asked for. I asked more questions regarding handling this situation and in response GB organizer just decided to cancel my order, deleted one of my countries of residence from his ordering page and now refuses to send me a new invoice for my second address. Even though he sent me a refund this is not what I was asking him for or about. I consider this a coward move and response avoidance.

I know that GBs usually have unforeseen delays for various reasons and I'm okay with that, however I'm not okay with the fact that a simple information about the delay wasn't provided when it became available to the GB organizer. By the way his response was - "I'm aware of this unexpected timeframe since over a week now but I didn't had the balls to tell you right away. It really made my stomach ache".

Don't believe me? Check the other well known platform that starts with the "desk"
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: ampt on Wed, 28 November 2018, 12:08:55
Some info for the GB participants - I was concerned about the lack of feedback and information from the GB organizer since there was no updates for quite a while and when I finally got a response regarding update it was questionable.

So I asked to provide me with the name of the company that does the metal work since my own project may help with production quota and I was planning to submit my order to the same manufacturer. Got another very questionable response from the GB organizer. Then he approached me personally and offered me a refund, which is not what I asked for. I asked more questions regarding handling this situation and in response GB organizer just decided to cancel my order, deleted one of my countries of residence from his ordering page and now refuses to send me a new invoice for my second address. Even though he sent me a refund this is not what I was asking him for or about. I consider this a coward move and response avoidance.

I know that GBs usually have unforeseen delays for various reasons and I'm okay with that, however I'm not okay with the fact that a simple information about the delay wasn't provided when it became available to the GB organizer. By the way his response was - "I'm aware of this unexpected timeframe since over a week now but I didn't had the balls to tell you right away. It really made my stomach ache".

Don't believe me? Check the other well known platform that starts with the "desk"

If you're unhappy with how this GB is being run, go run your own. PS has been nothing but transparent and forward during every step of the process. The manufacturers can't make the parts in the timeline we all want, but that's the way the world works. Throwing a tantrum isn't going to solve anything, and in this case, you got what you deserved.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Wed, 28 November 2018, 12:23:11
The order is submitted of course.
When they told me how long it would take, I tried to negotiate it but it wasn't possible to get it done quicker.
We are at a time of the year that is not favorable for a production run. Approaching the end of the year, many factories shut down for some time. Our manufacturer has a lot in the pipeline and the parts will probably not be done before they shut down. Same for the company that does the anodizing they will empty their big basins for cleaning at the end of the year.
So the bad news is that I will get the finished parts in February.
Had really hoped it would be faster.

Thanks for the update. Looking forward to start my SKB75-build in february.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 28 November 2018, 13:56:36
Some info for the GB participants - I was concerned about the lack of feedback and information from the GB organizer since there was no updates for quite a while and when I finally got a response regarding update it was questionable.

So I asked to provide me with the name of the company that does the metal work since my own project may help with production quota and I was planning to submit my order to the same manufacturer. Got another very questionable response from the GB organizer. Then he approached me personally and offered me a refund, which is not what I asked for. I asked more questions regarding handling this situation and in response GB organizer just decided to cancel my order, deleted one of my countries of residence from his ordering page and now refuses to send me a new invoice for my second address. Even though he sent me a refund this is not what I was asking him for or about. I consider this a coward move and response avoidance.

I know that GBs usually have unforeseen delays for various reasons and I'm okay with that, however I'm not okay with the fact that a simple information about the delay wasn't provided when it became available to the GB organizer. By the way his response was - "I'm aware of this unexpected timeframe since over a week now but I didn't had the balls to tell you right away. It really made my stomach ache".

Don't believe me? Check the other well known platform that starts with the "desk"

i can understand the disappointment regarding the updated timeline. apart from that you are the only person that got upset about this. it is obvious you have too much spare time and that you are generally frustrated and this forum happens to be your outlet now. I refunded you, which means you are out of this GB, therefore have no reson to take your crap here anymore. also I really have no idea what this address stuff is you are talking about. I just did a simple refund, nothing else.

I'm not going to respond to your other bs. maybe for some people, stuff like this can be entertaining. so for those of you, I suggest you grab some popcorn and read his bs over on dt.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: LordHellmchen on Wed, 28 November 2018, 14:01:22
Wow, what a drama. I have to say: I'm fully in support how PS has handled this. This is a community gb. Some financial risk for me, incredibly much work for the organizer.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: catamscott on Wed, 28 November 2018, 14:03:34
I know that GBs usually have unforeseen delays for various reasons and I'm okay with that, however I'm not okay with the fact that a simple information about the delay wasn't provided when it became available to the GB organizer. By the way his response was - "I'm aware of this unexpected timeframe since over a week now but I didn't had the balls to tell you right away. It really made my stomach ache".

to be fair, i can empathize with the gb runner's reaction in this scenario. this gb has been running since april, and the runner has encountered issue after issue and has had a lot of responsibility and stress placed upon him to figure everything out and communicate this all to the 100+ participants on multiple forums. i can imagine the distress of learning that parts won't be ready until february and anxiety of having to tell everyone that there will be yet another delay. after all, the gb runner is just a regular person who has a whole life outside of this gb, and it sounds like it's been adversely affecting their mental health and negatively impacting their life. i for one am thankful that the gb runner has been rolling with the punches and figuring this gb out and being transparent about everything. after all, he's putting himself through a lot of stress so that he can provide an really neat and affordable custom case the community, and that's an extremely admirable thing in my opinion.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 28 November 2018, 14:07:47
hehe, I just had a fun idea.
before he was refunded, omikron was in for a SKB75.
before I ship everything, I'll make another raffle with this SKB75.
so thanks to him one more SKB75 will be given away  :-*
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: omikron on Wed, 28 November 2018, 14:18:39
Who of us is not a regular person?

I wish next winner a good luck to get his new case by march.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Thu, 29 November 2018, 10:09:43
UPDATE (order list):

I updated the order list. Everyone should please check if his order is correct. Even if you had checked already in one of the earlier lists, please check again.
The ones who won an extra SKB have theirs already added in the list.

I have given up on those who got their invoice long time ago but still haven't paid. This is luckily not a problem anymore, since the posting on reddit has indeed made up for them.

There are a few who signed up after the reddit announcement but haven't paid jet. That's ok, since they just joined recently. They are accounted for in the order quantity.
I decided to put only those into this list who have paid their invoice. I think this is a more sensitive way, than exposing the others. List will be updated when more have paid.

Again as searchable PDF, attached to this post.

Hi, just realised... I'm not on this list. I was down for the SKB60 WKL, we converged over email and on GH PM!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 30 November 2018, 14:40:04
Hi, just realised... I'm not on this list. I was down for the SKB60 WKL, we converged over email and on GH PM!

don't worry, that list is old. it had quite a few mistakes. will post a corrected version next week.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Electrum on Fri, 30 November 2018, 15:19:38
hehe, I just had a fun idea.
before he was refunded, omikron was in for a SKB75.
before I ship everything, I'll make another raffle with this SKB75.
so thanks to him one more SKB75 will be given away  :-*

Lmao I love this approach. Nothing but respect man. Thanks for doing all of this for us :) not all of us mind the wait for a great looking product
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: r5d on Sun, 02 December 2018, 15:43:43
I don't give a rat's ass about delays. This is a totally new case and not the 625th chinese alu milled case. I am also very happy about how this GB is run and I'm looking forward to building this case next year. Not only is the GB runner a real person with their own life, the participants are as well, and they have lives that do not depend in the slightest on some keyboard case delivery date.

Cheers all and have a great december!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: ojrask on Wed, 12 December 2018, 17:23:13
Just checking in, February still the goal? Also an updated orders list was mentioned a few weeks back, would be great to let everyone verify their orders. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 15 December 2018, 10:27:17
Just checking in, February still the goal? Also an updated orders list was mentioned a few weeks back, would be great to let everyone verify their orders. :)

Yes, February is still the goal.
Here I attached the updated order list as pdf again.
If for some reason there are still some mistakes - no problem, there are still quite a few extras left from each version, so I can manage if I got something wrong.

Since there is not much for me to do now other then waiting, I'll keep it quiet for a while.

Also:
Some of you had asked me for a custom plate. I made quite a few already, some interesting ones, already three alps plates, for example. So if I haven't made this clear by now: If you want a custom plate, just pm me, let me know what you want and you'll get a DXF with your custom plate from me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: anfledd on Sat, 15 December 2018, 12:14:32
Looks good, looking forward to February!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 15 December 2018, 13:04:55
Plastik forever! :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: rondg on Sat, 15 December 2018, 14:56:52
Just checking in, February still the goal? Also an updated orders list was mentioned a few weeks back, would be great to let everyone verify their orders. :)

Yes, February is still the goal.
Here I attached the updated order list as pdf again.
If for some reason there are still some mistakes - no problem, there are still quite a few extras left from each version, so I can manage if I got something wrong.

Since there is not much for me to do now other then waiting, I'll keep it quiet for a while.

Also:
Some of you had asked me for a custom plate. I made quite a few already, some interesting ones, already three alps plates, for example. So if I haven't made this clear by now: If you want a custom plate, just pm me, let me know what you want and you'll get a DXF with your custom plate from me.

I'm not on the list...  :(
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 15 December 2018, 15:10:19
yep, I got you, you joined just very recently, so that's why I haven't moved your name to the spreadsheet that I made for public export. so don't worry, I got you, you paid your SKB75, all fine.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: rondg on Sat, 15 December 2018, 15:14:46
yep, I got you, you joined just very recently, so that's why I haven't moved your name to the spreadsheet that I made for public export. so don't worry, I got you, you paid your SKB75, all fine.

Ok. Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Zytyx on Mon, 07 January 2019, 15:51:23
I've had this concept sitting around my head for a bit now, so I'm throwing it out there in case anyone else has thought of something similar. Given the way the plate is mounted in the case, how hard would be to use longer bolts, shorter spacers, washers, and o rings to sandwich the plate between them?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 08 January 2019, 04:15:55
That's not hard at all. Being able to use some kind of dampeners like orings is part of the whole idea. Was already mentioned a while ago. here as well (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=418090#p418090).
something like this:
[attach=1] [attach=2]
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Tue, 08 January 2019, 15:15:05
Good idea, haven't thought of that!

You can also find them on AliExpress when you search for "damper stand off". We would need size M3, correct? How long would they need to be?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 11 January 2019, 05:38:28
exactly the ones from the secon picture would fit. yes all M3. length 7mm woul be optimal, but 6mm length is ok as well (caps would't sink in that deep but still deeper than usual).
here are two sources for europe/germany: source one (https://www.conrad.de/de/gewindepuffer-aussengewinde-m3-innengewinde-m3-hoehe-7-mm-pb-fastener-121270-1-st-536786.html?sc.ref=Product%20Details), source two (https://www.premium-modellbau.de/4x-m3-vibrationsdaempfer-mit-gewinde-soft-mount-fuer-flightcontroller-fc). those would require you to use shorter screws than the ones that I'll include (M3x12). you'd need M3x4 or M3x5 (source option (https://www.screwsandmore.de/de/sortiment/hochfeste-verbindungselemente/iso-7380-stahl-10.9/iso-7380-10.9-m3/iso-7380-10.9-m3x4/14520/25-stueck-linsenkopfschrauben-iso-7380-hochfest-10.9-schwarz-m3x4?gclid=Cj0KCQiAmuHhBRD0ARIsAFWyPwglDvqR7O8zztZLZKTpSCXSYeH26jERwEYX0IN61cSsUuU3FIsyl5YaAtlDEALw_wcB)).
generally you can find these and similar kind of dampeners when you google for RC and drone accessories. there dampeners (usually M3 as well) are used to secure the controller boards. o-rings are probably the cheapest option.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 11 January 2019, 05:57:42
That's not hard at all. Being able to use some kind of dampeners like orings is part of the whole idea. Was already mentioned a while ago. here as well (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=418090#p418090).
something like this:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

It is nice to have such a "gasket" keyboard DIY guide for the SKB keyboards  :thumb:
Looking forward to compare it "gasketed" versus "stock".
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 16 January 2019, 08:55:47
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 16 January 2019, 09:39:48
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

I'm a linear guy, so probably some lubed filmed vintage blacks, or retooled blacks, or even some Gateron blacks or yellows or clears if I managed to get a hotswap PCB.

Holy Pandas, call me saying out of jealousy cuz I missed the MD, are mostly and mainly a curiosity thing anyway.
My tactile holy grail, that the Holy Pandas and the Halo True want to mimic is Topre, something I'm typing on right now. The next thing close to Topre is SKCM browns before everyone is talking and making their own Holy Pandas, Outemu/Zeal/Gsus/KBDfans - I hope the mechanical switch market in 2019 won't be this boring in Q234.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Wed, 16 January 2019, 09:40:35
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

I am gonna do the new version of box navy combined with SA caps.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: ballinboyz on Wed, 16 January 2019, 09:42:25
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

Healios for my SKB65. Figure it could go well with the stiff steel plate.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: SteffeMK on Wed, 16 January 2019, 13:17:33
I don't know if this has been asked before. But can I use a usb-c pcb with this?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: catamscott on Wed, 16 January 2019, 17:22:37
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

been thinking about what to put in this for a while now lol. was planning on putting in some lubed linear mod-h switches, but am now leaning towards mx zilents. but who knows, i've also got cream switches and red pandas/halo trues on the way  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: ojrask on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:23:26
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

The first plate and PCB will get some 100g silent MX Blacks, second plate and PCB will probably be 78g Zealios.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:31:31
V2 zilents. I think the softer bottom out would work particularly well with the hard steel plate.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:25:16
I don't know if this has been asked before. But can I use a usb-c pcb with this?

no problem, if you dig into this thread you'll find a post where I bought three common usb-c cables from amazon and tested them with the case in order to make sure there are no issues.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:10:00
V2 zilents. I think the softer bottom out would work particularly well with the hard steel plate.

I may actually try some silented linear switches too!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: SteffeMK on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:23:43
I don't know if this has been asked before. But can I use a usb-c pcb with this?

no problem, if you dig into this thread you'll find a post where I bought three common usb-c cables from amazon and tested them with the case in order to make sure there are no issues.
Okay, thanks!

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Thu, 17 January 2019, 13:24:42
Unsure. I have a bag of V1 Zilents but I may change my mind and try out some BOX switches or something.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Soft_Sama on Thu, 17 January 2019, 13:50:06
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

Bringing this board to school so I'm probably going to use the Aliaz I have on hand or swap the stems with Silent Sky
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:16:13
I forget. Does the plate support switch opening?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Starston3 on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:27:11
I forget. Does the plate support switch opening?

It does not.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:41:46
I forget. Does the plate support switch opening?

you mean switch top removal?
no it doesn't, just standard cutouts.
I explained in the beginning why I prefer that.
make your switches perfect before you start building, or get a PCB witch hot-swap sockets.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Sun, 20 January 2019, 09:11:05
Any update on the progress?

Sill on time for finished production and delivery in february?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 21 January 2019, 07:48:37
Any update on the progress?

Sill on time for finished production and delivery in february?

that's what I assume. But I won't bother until mid february. If I don't have the parts by then or a more specific time, I'll call them and ask.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: booleanjulien on Mon, 21 January 2019, 11:22:29
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

I am gonna do the new version of box navy combined with SA caps.

Do you just mean fixed stems, or are they reworked in other ways? If the latter, where can I find more info?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: macken on Mon, 21 January 2019, 11:28:18
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

I am gonna do the new version of box navy combined with SA caps.

Do you just mean fixed stems, or are they reworked in other ways? If the latter, where can I find more info?

Just fixed stems.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Gamatatsu on Mon, 21 January 2019, 21:07:11
I payed for the 75% and I'm not on the list :(
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: tectonicplate on Tue, 22 January 2019, 00:31:05
What switches does everyone plan to put in this? I'm thinking holy pandas or lubed vintage blacks...

I'm a linear guy, so probably some lubed filmed vintage blacks, or retooled blacks, or even some Gateron blacks or yellows or clears if I managed to get a hotswap PCB.

Holy Pandas, call me saying out of jealousy cuz I missed the MD, are mostly and mainly a curiosity thing anyway.
My tactile holy grail, that the Holy Pandas and the Halo True want to mimic is Topre, something I'm typing on right now. The next thing close to Topre is SKCM browns before everyone is talking and making their own Holy Pandas, Outemu/Zeal/Gsus/KBDfans - I hope the mechanical switch market in 2019 won't be this boring in Q234.

Hako Violets. I have some lubed with Tribosys 3204 in another board that feel pretty good, but I'm thinking a few layers of RO-59 might be worth the effort.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: kim-kim on Thu, 31 January 2019, 20:17:43
today is February (at least on my place), so any updates on production?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: johngodsmith on Thu, 31 January 2019, 20:35:10
today is February (at least on my place), so any updates on production?
A few posts up, he said he’ll update mid Feb


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: kim-kim on Fri, 01 February 2019, 01:45:35
today is February (at least on my place), so any updates on production?
A few posts up, he said he’ll update mid Feb


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Ah, I see. Thank you, the case will come soon™
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: synchromatik on Sat, 02 February 2019, 07:43:49
What do you guys think about GMK Bento combo on this case (75 one) ?
My favorite is SA Pulse but i cant find it anywhere.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: r5d on Tue, 05 February 2019, 15:31:35
Dolch or banana dolch for sure!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 05 February 2019, 15:47:26
SA Oblivion  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: synchromatik on Wed, 06 February 2019, 14:29:45
Dolch or banana dolch for sure!

SA Oblivion  :cool:

o lala, decisions, decisions...  :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 12 February 2019, 03:23:25
ISO LIFE :cool:

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: FSund on Wed, 13 February 2019, 03:24:54
Could anyone do a quick sanity check for me? I'm considering the KBD65 PCB from KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/products/kbd65-65-custom-mechanical-keyboard-pcb?variant=21778664357936), and as far as I see it should fit the SKB65. Can anyone confirm/deny this?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 13 February 2019, 04:09:20
Could anyone do a quick sanity check for me? I'm considering the KBD65 PCB from KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/products/kbd65-65-custom-mechanical-keyboard-pcb?variant=21778664357936), and as far as I see it should fit the SKB65. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Your are sane!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Draic on Wed, 13 February 2019, 04:10:59
Could anyone do a quick sanity check for me? I'm considering the KBD65 PCB from KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/products/kbd65-65-custom-mechanical-keyboard-pcb?variant=21778664357936), and as far as I see it should fit the SKB65. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Your are sane!!  :thumb:

But your SKB will not have a blocker between ctrl and the arrow keys.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 13 February 2019, 04:29:58
Could anyone do a quick sanity check for me? I'm considering the KBD65 PCB from KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/products/kbd65-65-custom-mechanical-keyboard-pcb?variant=21778664357936), and as far as I see it should fit the SKB65. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Your are sane!!  :thumb:

But your SKB will not have a blocker between ctrl and the arrow keys.

Then maybe i have lost my sanity.. But it looks like it support a BR: 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 6.25, 1.50, 1.50, 1, 1, 1.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: FSund on Wed, 13 February 2019, 07:03:01
I naturally forgot about the whole blocker issue.

The 1.50, 1.50, 1, 1, 1 lower right might be possible as you said, but It's a bit hard to say with all the holes in that area. I'm going to gamble that it does support that, and in any case I can fall back to non-blocked 1.25, 1.25, 1, 1, 1.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 13 February 2019, 07:18:26
I naturally forgot about the whole blocker issue.

The 1.50, 1.50, 1, 1, 1 lower right might be possible as you said, but It's a bit hard to say with all the holes in that area. I'm going to gamble that it does support that, and in any case I can fall back to non-blocked 1.25, 1.25, 1, 1, 1.

I gambled and have made a custom plate for it! :p
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: okidna on Wed, 13 February 2019, 09:46:46
I naturally forgot about the whole blocker issue.

The 1.50, 1.50, 1, 1, 1 lower right might be possible as you said, but It's a bit hard to say with all the holes in that area. I'm going to gamble that it does support that, and in any case I can fall back to non-blocked 1.25, 1.25, 1, 1, 1.

This is the underside picture of my KBD65 PCB (USB-C), sorry it's already soldered (with 1.25u - 1.25u - blocker - 1u - 1u - 1u layout) but you can still see the option for the lower right area, I've marked the switch holes for 1u - 1u -1u and 1.5u - 1.5u layout :

(https://i.imgur.com/PL4lKne.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 13 February 2019, 13:31:10
What are Bob's choices for a 75% PCB? Just the kbd75 or are there other options?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: okidna on Wed, 13 February 2019, 18:20:52
What are Bob's choices for a 75% PCB? Just the kbd75 or are there other options?

You can also use EEPW84 (XD84 PCB) or YMD75 PCB, both can be found at Aliexpress or KPrepublic's site.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: synchromatik on Thu, 14 February 2019, 14:08:34
any bluetooth pcb-s in 75% format in sight that could fit this case?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 February 2019, 15:00:09
any bluetooth pcb-s in 75% format in sight that could fit this case?

No, not atm 😔
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 February 2019, 03:17:12
Hey, since there isn't much to do for me other then waiting atm, I became more passive regarding posting. Also I was very busy with non keyboard related life. I wanted to check the status of the cases last week, but I was just too busy. Next week I can hopefully bring some positive news. Now that I just checked back here I see quite a lot post I missed. Will take my time to go through them tomorrow. Oh, really nice that fiber-carb-plates!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 February 2019, 03:26:43
Could anyone do a quick sanity check for me? I'm considering the KBD65 PCB from KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/products/kbd65-65-custom-mechanical-keyboard-pcb?variant=21778664357936), and as far as I see it should fit the SKB65. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Your are sane!!  :thumb:

But your SKB will not have a blocker between ctrl and the arrow keys.

Then maybe i have lost my sanity.. But it looks like it support a BR: 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 6.25, 1.50, 1.50, 1, 1, 1.

I had noticed the new 65 from kbd fans as well and was very happy about it. the pictures look like there are quite a few holes right to space so I hope it supports 2x1.5U or 3x1U between space and arrows as well. I suggest to just mailto kbdfans, wei always answeres quickly, should be smple to find out.

btw what I like especially about the kbd65:
- switches in the correct orientation (not 180° rotated) therefore cherry caps don't collide with the top housing
- qmk
- not too much holes/options
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 February 2019, 03:42:09
ISO LIFE :cool:

(Attachment Link)

this is really nice! was really curious how they would look like in carbon-fiber. thanks for showing!
the reason the cutouts for the stabs are bigger than usual is that with this shape it is possible to take the PCB mounted stabs out after all is soldered together. So if you solder and forgot to put them in, no problem with this. so now you also don't have to make sure they are perfectly modded before you put them in, no problem to perfect them later. that kind of cutout is only possible with a dedicated layout, not with a unified.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 February 2019, 03:47:20
What are Bob's choices for a 75% PCB? Just the kbd75 or are there other options?

There are two other options, they are linked somewhere earlier in the thread and mentioned in the layout graphics.

I have a few of the KBD75 PCBs (USB-C version) here now. Wanted to add them as option to the order form for the extra cases I ordered. Just hadn't had time for it jet. So FYI, anyone who is interested in the SKB75, you can get the PCB from me as well. Also possible to add it to an order if someone hasn't already gotten it.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: h3xadat on Sun, 17 February 2019, 04:30:47
There are two other options, they are linked somewhere earlier in the thread and mentioned in the layout graphics.

I have a few of the KBD75 PCBs (USB-C version) here now. Wanted to add them as option to the order form for the extra cases I ordered. Just hadn't had time for it jet. So FYI, anyone who is interested in the SKB75, you can get the PCB from me as well. Also possible to add it to an order if someone hasn't already gotten it.

Is the order form for the extra cases already up?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: okidna on Sun, 17 February 2019, 09:15:04
Hey, since there isn't much to do for me other then waiting atm, I became more passive regarding posting. Also I was very busy with non keyboard related life. I wanted to check the status of the cases last week, but I was just too busy. Next week I can hopefully bring some positive news. Now that I just checked back here I see quite a lot post I missed. Will take my time to go through them tomorrow. Oh, really nice that fiber-carb-plates!

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 February 2019, 11:10:40
Is the order form for the extra cases already up?

I think you misunderstood something. There is no separate order for additional cases. That wouldn't make any sense. It was one big order, a few more cases than actually needed at the time. The additional ones are what I called "extra cases".

Oh wait, now I realize that I misread your question, sorry. But similar answer: There is no new/extra form. If you want one just fill out the form that is already linked. If I run out of a particular version (according to spreadsheet) I'll take it out of the form. Only the option to add a KBD75-PCB isn't in there jet, you could just pm me if wanted.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: h3xadat on Mon, 18 February 2019, 05:49:29
Is the order form for the extra cases already up?

I think you misunderstood something. There is no separate order for additional cases. That wouldn't make any sense. It was one big order, a few more cases than actually needed at the time. The additional ones are what I called "extra cases".

Oh wait, now I realize that I misread your question, sorry. But similar answer: There is no new/extra form. If you want one just fill out the form that is already linked. If I run out of a particular version (according to spreadsheet) I'll take it out of the form. Only the option to add a KBD75-PCB isn't in there jet, you could just pm me if wanted.

Thank you for your detailed answer. I’ve found the form. Problem was that Tapatalk does not render the link to the form correctly. At least in my case.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 February 2019, 04:48:08
UPDATE: called them yesterday

let me keep it short:
another delay

why:
they messed up most of the bottom parts.

consequence:
order more of that sheet metal alloy. they only do that together when they order their standard stuff as well, so more wait. when they have redone the bottom parts, then all parts can go to bead blasting and anodizing after that.

negative aspect:
this is really a huge disappointment for me. finally getting them was a point of relief that I was very much looking forward to.

positive aspect:
yes, I think there is one. instead of just delivering what they've done so far, they realize something isn't OK and they redo it. I think they wouldn't want to risk having the parts bead blasted and anodized and then having to take some back. that would have been much worse for all.

can I do something now:
- thinking about raffling out one or two more cases to comfort you. not quite sure how much more I can afford to give away, will see later. maybe some of the protos can be raffled out as well.
- I haven't updated the start post for a while now, just too much other stuff to do atm and this thing has become a monster. hope to be able to bring it up to the latest in the coming weeks.
- I still have one SKB60-YAS proto of which I had only shown phone pics. was a rushed build and I wasn't happy with the switches I had used. it wasn't part of the latest outdoor photoshoot. it has been desoldered and gotten new switches since. will finde time to take nice pics of that build.
- will continue to make custom plates for you on pm request (still two or three in the pipeline)

in hindsight:
I should have contacted much more factories to get more quotes.
this is all a learning process for me.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Anakey on Wed, 20 February 2019, 05:15:50
Firstly Thankyou for giving the update, even if it is one that everyone did not want to hear your communication and updates have been some of the best i have seen in a group buy as large as the one you have done. I think that it is best you keep the extras you have in case of any further QC issues that might get picked up when you receive them you have given away so many already. It is good that they are sorting out their mistake and are going to redo the cases that are bad, however it looks like their QC is not that good if they went and did all the cases before realising that they were wrong, especially since they have done the prototypes correctly. It is also bad that you had to contact them yourself to find out what the delay is and along with their QC shows a lack of professionalism that goes against the perceived conception that German factories are good with QC and communication compared to ones in China. At least you will know for the future to find another factory to do business in the future.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 20 February 2019, 05:22:32
UPDATE: called them yesterday
...
negative aspect:
this is really a huge disappointment for me. finally getting them was a point of relief that I was very much looking forward to.

positive aspect:
yes, I think there is one. instead of just delivering what they've done so far, they realize something isn't OK and they redo it. I think they wouldn't want to risk having the parts bead blasted and anodized and then having to take some back. that would have been much worse for all.
...

Having products delivered to the users and only then found out some critical problem - will be the worst and it happened in some GB.

Thank you for the Quality Control - which is the most important part.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: FSund on Wed, 20 February 2019, 08:01:01
The recent development is unfortunate, but I think anyone who has ever been involved in a keyboard-related GB have learned by now that delays are almost inevitable. And it seems like you have found a factory with a shred of integrity and ethics, as I guess many other factories would just ship the broken product, leaving the issues with the customer/GB runner.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 20 February 2019, 09:06:43
ISO LIFE :cool:

(Attachment Link)

this is really nice! was really curious how they would look like in carbon-fiber. thanks for showing!
the reason the cutouts for the stabs are bigger than usual is that with this shape it is possible to take the PCB mounted stabs out after all is soldered together. So if you solder and forgot to put them in, no problem with this. so now you also don't have to make sure they are perfectly modded before you put them in, no problem to perfect them later. that kind of cutout is only possible with a dedicated layout, not with a unified.

Yeah turned out great! thanks for your help with the plates! :) Will get some better pics when we get the skb`s on hand :)

I like the cutouts, its a neat feature  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 20 February 2019, 09:07:58
UPDATE: called them yesterday

let me keep it short:
another delay

why:
they messed up most of the bottom parts.

consequence:
order more of that sheet metal alloy. they only do that together when they order their standard stuff as well, so more wait. when they have redone the bottom parts, then all parts can go to bead blasting and anodizing after that.

negative aspect:
this is really a huge disappointment for me. finally getting them was a point of relief that I was very much looking forward to.

positive aspect:
yes, I think there is one. instead of just delivering what they've done so far, they realize something isn't OK and they redo it. I think they wouldn't want to risk having the parts bead blasted and anodized and then having to take some back. that would have been much worse for all.

can I do something now:
- thinking about raffling out one or two more cases to comfort you. not quite sure how much more I can afford to give away, will see later. maybe some of the protos can be raffled out as well.
- I haven't updated the start post for a while now, just too much other stuff to do atm and this thing has become a monster. hope to be able to bring it up to the latest in the coming weeks.
- I still have one SKB60-YAS proto of which I had only shown phone pics. was a rushed build and I wasn't happy with the switches I had used. it wasn't part of the latest outdoor photoshoot. it has been desoldered and gotten new switches since. will finde time to take nice pics of that build.
- will continue to make custom plates for you on pm request (still two or three in the pipeline)

in hindsight:
I should have contacted much more factories to get more quotes.
this is all a learning process for me.

Thanks for the update Plastik, no stress good to catch QC as early as possible :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: anfledd on Wed, 20 February 2019, 09:55:57
Seriously do not feel like you have to give away anything to make up for bumps in the road, this is already probably not making any money for you in the first place if you consider the amount of headache/heartache involved. Just keep updating the group with the latest and continue working through issues as they arise, that's the best thing you can do. If it makes you feel any better I purchased XDA Oblique last July and it *might* ship out at the end of the month. And those are just keycaps, not an entirely new case design. Us keyboard folk are used to waiting, keep your spirits up.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: jizzaztartist on Wed, 20 February 2019, 10:23:09
Delays are usual at this point, but at least a problem was caught as a result.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (Invoices out, payment phase extended)
Post by: Shados on Wed, 20 February 2019, 17:14:40
UPDATE: called them yesterday

let me keep it short:
another delay

...

can I do something now:
- thinking about raffling out one or two more cases to comfort you. not quite sure how much more I can afford to give away, will see later. maybe some of the protos can be raffled out as well.
- I haven't updated the start post for a while now, just too much other stuff to do atm and this thing has become a monster. hope to be able to bring it up to the latest in the coming weeks.
- I still have one SKB60-YAS proto of which I had only shown phone pics. was a rushed build and I wasn't happy with the switches I had used. it wasn't part of the latest outdoor photoshoot. it has been desoldered and gotten new switches since. will finde time to take nice pics of that build.
- will continue to make custom plates for you on pm request (still two or three in the pipeline)

in hindsight:
I should have contacted much more factories to get more quotes.
this is all a learning process for me.

While some tiny percentage of people will complain about any and all issues and delays, the overwhelming majority understand that in reality, **** happens. You don't need to start giving stuff away or anything, just make sure you keep providing updates, and do what you can to resolve issues as you come across them.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ampt on Wed, 20 February 2019, 23:17:43
Agree with all the above comments. Hard news sucks to deliver and to hear, but it's far better than the alternative. Appreciate the updates and you being on top of this. I also agree with others that you don't owe anyone another raffle. Make sure that this makes financial sense for you, or you might not want to run another GB in the future and that would be a loss for the whole community. Cheers and looking forward to the end results, whenever that may be!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 21 February 2019, 01:45:10
He sucked it up and gave us the bad news without running away and living in a cave for 9 months. Cheers for the update and don't feel like you have to give stuff away.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: rondg on Thu, 21 February 2019, 02:08:54
I really appreciate the consistent updates and transparency. Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Data on Thu, 21 February 2019, 06:45:26
Can't say I'm thrilled with yet more delays but I do appreciate you letting us know instead of going stealth mode on us.  This is the right way to communicate to a GB and I wish more people would take note.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 22 February 2019, 08:50:06
Glad the problem was caught earlier on in the process, as you said. Still looking forward to the product same as day 1 when I engaged with the IC :) Stay positive, it will work out with good communication helping things along.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 22 February 2019, 11:40:25
Thanks for the update, bad and good news at the same time. As I've been saying: rather wait longer for better quality than rush a bad product out. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 02 March 2019, 12:04:28
@plastik, I wanna get some foam of some sort ready for the SKB. :) How thick do you think I could go? Just a piece from r3 to r1 in angel 8-10
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: online on Sat, 02 March 2019, 18:28:30
sadly, I need the money for something else. Is anyone interested to buy my SKB75 spot? (of course, if only PlastikSchnittstelle allows it.)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: eas on Wed, 06 March 2019, 19:26:49
So the factory might get back to work in March?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 07 March 2019, 02:29:23
With these updates what would the new anticipated timeline and shipping date be?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 07 March 2019, 03:54:33
Would be willing to give up my spot for a SKB75 if someone else would want in. DM me and we can work something out.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: koduh on Tue, 12 March 2019, 10:42:51
With these updates what would the new anticipated timeline and shipping date be?

Bump
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: macken on Fri, 15 March 2019, 04:14:28
What's the current status now? Have they started to work on the new bottom parts?

Getting itchy to build my SKB75.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 16 March 2019, 03:34:33
@plastik, I wanna get some foam of some sort ready for the SKB. :) How thick do you think I could go? Just a piece from r3 to r1 in angel 8-10

in the front of the case there really isn't much space between the pcb and the bottom. that's only at the front edge ot the pcb. to the back of the case the space grows and at the rear end there is quite a lot of room under the pcb, especially if you choose to go with higher angles than 6°. I would suggest you go with a quite thick foam, like at least 3mm but just leave out the front area in the case where the pcb is very close to the bottom.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 16 March 2019, 03:35:29
What's the current status now? Have they started to work on the new bottom parts?

Getting itchy to build my SKB75.

With these updates what would the new anticipated timeline and shipping date be?

have a new ETA:
second week of april
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: tedk on Sat, 16 March 2019, 04:55:19
cant wait :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 16 March 2019, 07:39:07
What's the current status now? Have they started to work on the new bottom parts?

Getting itchy to build my SKB75.

With these updates what would the new anticipated timeline and shipping date be?

have a new ETA:
second week of april

Noice!

@plastik, I wanna get some foam of some sort ready for the SKB. :) How thick do you think I could go? Just a piece from r3 to r1 in angel 8-10

in the front of the case there really isn't much space between the pcb and the bottom. that's only at the front edge ot the pcb. to the back of the case the space grows and at the rear end there is quite a lot of room under the pcb, especially if you choose to go with higher angles than 6°. I would suggest you go with a quite thick foam, like at least 3mm but just leave out the front area in the case where the pcb is very close to the bottom.

Cool.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: macken on Sat, 16 March 2019, 14:03:08
Nice. Looking forward to april.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Tue, 26 March 2019, 06:08:16
I might have something for my birthday at the arse-end of April. Here's hoping!  :p
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: equalunique on Wed, 03 April 2019, 14:24:28
Thank you very much for the update. I appreciate the manufacturer's and your willingness to get the cases as close to perfect as possible before sending them out.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: FSund on Thu, 04 April 2019, 01:47:30
Could anyone do a quick sanity check for me? I'm considering the KBD65 PCB from KBDfans (https://kbdfans.cn/products/kbd65-65-custom-mechanical-keyboard-pcb?variant=21778664357936), and as far as I see it should fit the SKB65. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Your are sane!!  :thumb:

But your SKB will not have a blocker between ctrl and the arrow keys.

Then maybe i have lost my sanity.. But it looks like it support a BR: 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 6.25, 1.50, 1.50, 1, 1, 1.

I had noticed the new 65 from kbd fans as well and was very happy about it. the pictures look like there are quite a few holes right to space so I hope it supports 2x1.5U or 3x1U between space and arrows as well. I suggest to just mailto kbdfans, wei always answeres quickly, should be smple to find out.

btw what I like especially about the kbd65:
- switches in the correct orientation (not 180° rotated) therefore cherry caps don't collide with the top housing
- qmk
- not too much holes/options

To put an end to any confusion, here's the supported layouts posted by KBDfans

[attach=1]

He's of course sold out now though, but lets hope he gets new stock before too late.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Cassiebas on Thu, 04 April 2019, 06:04:48
Any possibility I can still get in on this gb?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 04 April 2019, 06:18:44
Any possibility I can still get in on this gb?

Check the order form on 1st post  There should still be extras available, if they are not available they are not in the form :).
Order here  (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScm5HHKk66IfP2dMR-G4AH740fqWBmKWF0kwHICjEMZzszl1A/viewform)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 04 April 2019, 11:23:31
BTW for 65% buyers should check out this small GB for a 65% PCB  :thumb:

https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65/
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ampt on Mon, 08 April 2019, 11:25:53
How does one go about getting their shipping address changed? Should we DM you PlastikSchnittstelle?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: SinjiOnO on Mon, 08 April 2019, 14:41:11
Hi, since I have enough keyboards now and I can use the money for other things I'm selling my spot. This took a lot longer than I expected, but that's the life of keyboard GB's I guess. PM me and I hope we can rearrange something (hopefully together with the groupbuy holder). Cheers

SKB60
DIY metal keyboard enclosure
YAS62 PCB
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 09 April 2019, 09:24:26
How goes the case making? Any news in the second week of april?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 09 April 2019, 15:50:48
Yes please, I'm excited for my SKB75 to finish out the run of keeb things ordered in 2018 that are finishing out in 2019  :-\ No shade, just anticipation and looking forward to this project that I've been so hyped on for so long!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 09 April 2019, 16:05:23
It's a race between the SKBXX and the Donut96  :-\
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 10 April 2019, 03:47:50
Hey guys, OKAY, it's really hard but I have to inform you about another little delay of about two weeks. please read for yourself:

[attach=1]

for all who don't understand german, I asked last week if I can plan picking up the parts. the answer is basically that the parts are not finished at beadblasting and expected to be back around the 9th (yesterday) and will then be brought to anodizing which "normally takes around eight days". This would mean next week but that week is easter holiday so I would expect more like the week after that.

we are really close now, I CAN FEEL IT!

as reparation I want to raffle out two more cases. That would be three cases in total because one was already said to be raffled out but hasen't been jet. will apply to only the first 150 orders, all later are quite recent and haven't had to wait that long in comparison. will do the raffle once I have the cases.

bear with me guys!

oh damn, I had never expected it would drag out that long that I would feel the need to post screenshots of my communication.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Wed, 10 April 2019, 03:49:43
Hey guys, OKAY, it's really hard but I have to inform you about another little delay of about two weeks. please read for yourself:

(Attachment Link)

for all who don't understand german, I asked last week if I can plan picking up the parts. the answer is basically that the parts are not finished at beadblasting and expected to be back around the 9th (yesterday) and will then be brought to anodizing which "normally takes around eight days". This would mean next week but that week is easter holiday so I would expect more like the week after that.

we are really close now, I CAN FEEL IT!

as reparation I want to raffle out two more cases. That would be three cases in total because one was already said to be raffled out but hasen't been jet. will apply to only the first 150 orders, all later are quite recent and haven't had to wait that long in comparison. will do the raffle once I have the cases.

bear with me guys!

oh damn, I had never expected it would drag out that long that I would feel the need to post screenshots of my communication.


Thanks for the update - the community appreciates them even when it’s not always good news. Excited for the raffle and looking forward to the boards being ready


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: johngodsmith on Wed, 10 April 2019, 03:53:26
Hey guys, OKAY, it's really hard but I have to inform you about another little delay of about two weeks. please read for yourself:

(Attachment Link)

for all who don't understand german, I asked last week if I can plan picking up the parts. the answer is basically that the parts are not finished at beadblasting and expected to be back around the 9th (yesterday) and will then be brought to anodizing which "normally takes around eight days". This would mean next week but that week is easter holiday so I would expect more like the week after that.

we are really close now, I CAN FEEL IT!

as reparation I want to raffle out two more cases. That would be three cases in total because one was already said to be raffled out but hasen't been jet. will apply to only the first 150 orders, all later are quite recent and haven't had to wait that long in comparison. will do the raffle once I have the cases.

bear with me guys!

oh damn, I had never expected it would drag out that long that I would feel the need to post screenshots of my communication.

Thanks for keeping us posted with the updates Chris, two weeks is no biggie at all.

Glad everything is moving along, very excited!


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: r5d on Wed, 10 April 2019, 03:58:34
Thanks for the update.

I think the TEX ADA keycaps would look exceptional with this case.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 10 April 2019, 09:20:03
Updates and transparency in communication have been top notch in this GB, so the delays haven't felt anywhere near as bad as some other GBs I've been part of where you kind of just cross your fingers and hope it shows up within a year of the estimated/promised delivery date :) Thanks again for all the work, looking forward to the finished products!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 11 April 2019, 04:14:23
BTW for 65% buyers should check out this small GB for a 65% PCB  :thumb:

https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65/

thanks for the hint! just ordered it.
supports my favorite bottom row for 65%:
1.5 / 1 / 1.5 / 6 / 1.5 / 1.5 / 1 / 1 / 1

btw, let me point out that the SKB65 plate does support this layout as well, although at the time I made it, there was no 65% pcb that supported it. I did it anyway in hope a pcb would come along which would as well. nice it happened.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: johngodsmith on Thu, 11 April 2019, 06:09:22
Kinda off-topic but is anyone planning on doing a hotswap build for the SKB75? I'm trying to decide on a PCB cause I know not all of them are compatible with holtites. The only thing I'd really want is south-facing LED's so there's no interference with cherry profile keycaps.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 11 April 2019, 07:55:01
I'm not a fan of hotswap with a plate-mounted setup in theory, since the switch pins' friction will be the only thing (collectively) holding the PCB in place with no mechanical fasteners.

I think this got discussed a while back in this thread, but not sure if anyone had direct experience with plate-mount hot-swap. The mechanical clips on the switches only attach to the plate, so security of the PCB staying in place (and issues like getting misaligned with movement, pulling from USB cable, stabilizers coming out of place) are all resting on how tight the holtites are, or in the case of Kailh hotswaps how strong the springs are in the sockets.

Only workaround I would think of (if using holtites like mentioned) is direct soldering a few strategically placed switches at corners/edges of the PCB where you want the flex to be minimal to "anchor" the PCB in place relative to the plate, and then hotswap the rest of the board.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Voxis on Fri, 12 April 2019, 10:44:28
Yeah, holtites  kinda seems like a bad idea here. However I've had several boards with kailh sockets + 5 pins switches and it works really well.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 12 April 2019, 10:47:16
His original question was about the SKB75 as hotswap, and to the best of my knowledge, no existing kailh hotswap 75% PCBs exist at the moment. He'd be limited to the holtite option only, which I've always heard inconsistent things about, at best, and that's not even in the context of securely connecting and retaining a PCB in a plate-mount setup.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 12 April 2019, 14:42:42
Kinda off-topic but is anyone planning on doing a hotswap build for the SKB75? I'm trying to decide on a PCB cause I know not all of them are compatible with holtites. The only thing I'd really want is south-facing LED's so there's no interference with cherry profile keycaps.

I'm planning to build a hotswap SKB75, and I think Mill Max probably fit most of the switch pinholes on the KBD75 PCB.

For sure soldered on switches are the most solid building method. However, when a build is plate-mounted, especially with a case with top-mount or a sandwich-mount construction, I do not see super big cons of having a hotswappable PCB as the PCB itself is not anchored and the switches (for the alphanumeric keys) are held unusually tightly by the plate. The real cons will be at the mod-keys when the plate is designed to fit quite a few mod layout options and are not offering support to the mod switches.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: johngodsmith on Fri, 12 April 2019, 19:08:38
I'm not a fan of hotswap with a plate-mounted setup in theory, since the switch pins' friction will be the only thing (collectively) holding the PCB in place with no mechanical fasteners.

I think this got discussed a while back in this thread, but not sure if anyone had direct experience with plate-mount hot-swap. The mechanical clips on the switches only attach to the plate, so security of the PCB staying in place (and issues like getting misaligned with movement, pulling from USB cable, stabilizers coming out of place) are all resting on how tight the holtites are, or in the case of Kailh hotswaps how strong the springs are in the sockets.

Only workaround I would think of (if using holtites like mentioned) is direct soldering a few strategically placed switches at corners/edges of the PCB where you want the flex to be minimal to "anchor" the PCB in place relative to the plate, and then hotswap the rest of the board.

Hmm yeah I see where you're coming from, most hotswap builds I've seen are tray-mount, I'll definitely have to think about it. I'll be getting 2 cases so I think I'll do a regular build for one and maybe try and do this hotswap as a little experiment on the side. I appreciate the help Zuology, thanks man

Kinda off-topic but is anyone planning on doing a hotswap build for the SKB75? I'm trying to decide on a PCB cause I know not all of them are compatible with holtites. The only thing I'd really want is south-facing LED's so there's no interference with cherry profile keycaps.

I'm planning to build a hotswap SKB75, and I think Mill Max probably fit most of the switch pinholes on the KBD75 PCB.

For sure soldered on switches are the most solid building method. However, when a build is plate-mounted, especially with a case with top-mount or a sandwich-mount construction, I do not see super big cons of having a hotswappable PCB as the PCB itself is not anchored and the switches (for the alphanumeric keys) are held unusually tightly by the plate. The real cons will be at the mod-keys when the plate is designed to fit quite a few mod layout options and are not offering support to the mod switches.

Yeah that's what I was thinking too, the mod-keys are what worries me most. What we could also do is, custom order a single-layout plate and I feel like that'll be a lot better, in terms of support. I think Plastik offered to send the plate CAD files so it's definitely possible.

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: IchiBalzac on Tue, 16 April 2019, 12:21:54
If anyone ordered a Boardwalk plate and wants hotswap, let me know.  I've put Mill Max in about a dozen Boardwalks now and have about 30 of them on hand that I can modify if you want one.  Full job takes 190 sockets (lots of options) and about an hour and a half to knock out.  I'd only charge cost of 21 cents per socket plus 30 bucks for my time if anyone is interested.  I'll also have a few extra SKB60 in Boardwalk and XD75RE configurations if anyone missed out and wants one.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 16 April 2019, 12:47:58


Yeah that's what I was thinking too, the mod-keys are what worries me most. What we could also do is, custom order a single-layout plate and I feel like that'll be a lot better, in terms of support. I think Plastik offered to send the plate CAD files so it's definitely possible.

Plate CAD files would be super useful. I'm particularly interested in designing my own custom Boardwalk plate, since the boardwalk plate options basically have a super wide socket for all the different spacebar configurations.



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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Soft_Sama on Tue, 16 April 2019, 17:41:45


Yeah that's what I was thinking too, the mod-keys are what worries me most. What we could also do is, custom order a single-layout plate and I feel like that'll be a lot better, in terms of support. I think Plastik offered to send the plate CAD files so it's definitely possible.

Plate CAD files would be super useful. I'm particularly interested in designing my own custom Boardwalk plate, since the boardwalk plate options basically have a super wide socket for all the different spacebar configurations.



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Yes release plate files please! :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: r5d on Wed, 17 April 2019, 03:37:31
It's close, I can feel it!  :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 17 April 2019, 05:01:29
It's close, I can feel it!  :)  :)  :)

Yes so ready haha :p, PCB inbound, plates inbound, caps inbound, the voice in my head calling for another SKB wkl 60 top, New iron on the way, dampening material on the way, plastiks idea for "gasket O rings" to be exploded.

Eehh @plastik you need help to pack up boxes?  :p
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: oluigenuma on Wed, 17 April 2019, 06:40:55
If your location is somewhere in Franconia, I‘d love to help you with packaging too!


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 17 April 2019, 10:07:50
FYI - I think the term for the sandwiched o-rings mount has been dubbed "burger mount" in other circles. I like the tasty name, but I am a fat american fwiw.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 17 April 2019, 10:52:08
FYI - I think the term for the sandwiched o-rings mount has been dubbed "burger mount" in other circles. I like the tasty name, but I am a fat american fwiw.

Link to aforementioned oring mounting
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: TuCZnak on Wed, 17 April 2019, 11:56:26
FYI - I think the term for the sandwiched o-rings mount has been dubbed "burger mount" in other circles. I like the tasty name, but I am a fat american fwiw.

Link to aforementioned oring mounting

upas has been calling it that in his Satisfaction 75 and Brutal 60 IC threads IIRC
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 17 April 2019, 12:01:41
Check out some ketchup details here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2702961#msg2702961)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 17 April 2019, 18:23:16
Check out some ketchup details here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2702961#msg2702961)

How about this mustard  (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2592214#msg2592214):D I floated the idea back in the IC, though I'm hardly the first to think of it, surely.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: 1corazon on Fri, 19 April 2019, 18:13:15
CANT WAIT FOR THIS MATE !!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy to wait to make sure things are perfect.

Hope your well.

Kind regards

Reynold
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: macken on Fri, 19 April 2019, 19:17:12
Looking forward to this!

Assuming the latest timeline works out I am gonna do some keeb building on my short and late winterholiday. I already have the kbdfans 75 programmed to my liking and pulse sa is also lined up for the skb75. Switches will be box navy.

I would love an update on at what stage the production is now? Are we at shipping when easter holiday is over?  Will it be late april or early may?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 23 April 2019, 11:05:59
Herr Plastik! How goes things?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 23 April 2019, 11:20:07
The cases arrived at the anodizing facility at 9th of april. Last week some questions came up regarding the propper attaching of the parts for when they immerse. We cleared that quickly, so no probleme there. Now I expect the parts to be finished this week!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Tue, 23 April 2019, 12:16:07
The cases arrived at the anodizing facility at 9th of april. Last week some questions came up regarding the propper attaching of the parts for when they immerse. We cleared that quickly, so no probleme there. Now I expect the parts to be finished this week!
Excellent!!


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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: FSund on Tue, 23 April 2019, 12:38:32
The cases arrived at the anodizing facility at 9th of april. Last week some questions came up regarding the propper attaching of the parts for when they immerse. We cleared that quickly, so no probleme there. Now I expect the parts to be finished this week!

Exciting news! Seems like it will be a race between SKB65 and SPACE65 to see whoever arrives first :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 23 April 2019, 13:58:47
The cases arrived at the anodizing facility at 9th of april. Last week some questions came up regarding the propper attaching of the parts for when they immerse. We cleared that quickly, so no probleme there. Now I expect the parts to be finished this week!
Excellent!!


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+ 1!!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 24 April 2019, 00:37:40
The cases arrived at the anodizing facility at 9th of april. Last week some questions came up regarding the propper attaching of the parts for when they immerse. We cleared that quickly, so no probleme there. Now I expect the parts to be finished this week!
Now that's an update I didn't expect. Very excited.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Wed, 24 April 2019, 06:54:00
IT is coming!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 25 April 2019, 03:00:51
I've not bought any keyboard stuff in over 3 months! This is going to be amazing.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 25 April 2019, 08:56:09
here are peeks into two of many boxes I got so far. car was too small for all, will get the rest later or tomorrow.
can't really believe it myself that they are really finished!

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: macken on Thu, 25 April 2019, 10:20:59
here are peeks into two of many boxes I got so far. car was too small for all, will get the rest later or tomorrow.
can't really believe it myself that they are really finished!

Nice! Can't wait to get my hands on one.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: equalunique on Thu, 25 April 2019, 10:36:09
Very excited! :)

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 25 April 2019, 10:38:49
Yes! Next step: don't sleep on Friday until all are packed (and do intl orders first  :p)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Thu, 25 April 2019, 10:47:15
here are peeks into two of many boxes I got so far. car was too small for all, will get the rest later or tomorrow.
can't really believe it myself that they are really finished!

This is fantastic news! Have you inspected them already?

We happy?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: okidna on Thu, 25 April 2019, 11:46:14
here are peeks into two of many boxes I got so far. car was too small for all, will get the rest later or tomorrow.
can't really believe it myself that they are really finished!

Fantastic news! Hopefully the QC process goes smoothly.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Draic on Thu, 25 April 2019, 12:01:28
Yes! Next step: don't sleep on Friday until all are packed (and do intl orders first  :p)
no, don't send mine too early as I am away for the whole next week x)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Shihatsu on Thu, 25 April 2019, 14:30:01
OMFG I am not ready :x
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ojrask on Thu, 25 April 2019, 14:49:43
Awesome! Hopefully all of them are up to par and no one has to wait for their cases in case (heh) a few mishaps have happened to individual items.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 25 April 2019, 15:05:29
Time to lube some switches, *****es.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 25 April 2019, 18:11:43
Creams, Linjars, BOX Pink or holy pandas?

Someone decide for me, quick!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: rondg on Thu, 25 April 2019, 18:13:49
Creams, Linjars, BOX Pink or holy pandas?

Someone decide for me, quick!

Make a board for each switch  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: kekstee on Fri, 26 April 2019, 08:08:12


Great the see the boards have been delivered! I really have to get that Alps plate going now :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: cherrymxsilent@gmail.com on Fri, 26 April 2019, 09:46:28
These keyboards look fantastic and op showed real commitment and genius. Too bad I discovered this hobby too late.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 26 April 2019, 09:49:58
now I have all of it!
damn, just a small box of of steel plates feels so much heavier than a big box with alu case parts.
happy with the NOT shiny plates.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ampt on Fri, 26 April 2019, 10:14:56
now I have all of it!
damn, just a small box of of steel plates feels so much heavier than a big box with alu case parts.
happy with the NOT shiny plates.

I think I see mine!  :D :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: wd9001 on Fri, 26 April 2019, 11:02:46
Hey PlastikSchnittstelle, I've ordered a 60% hhkb layout but would like a standard 60%. Would I be able to get a swap?

I really have to get that Alps plate going now :D
Would you be able to share with me the plate file? I would love to make an alps build!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Asbrodeus on Fri, 26 April 2019, 11:10:31
are there any extras  :D I filled out the google form but I'm assuming you will deal with those after the GB has shipped.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 26 April 2019, 12:03:46
Hey PlastikSchnittstelle, I've ordered a 60% hhkb layout but would like a standard 60%. Would I be able to get a swap?

I really have to get that Alps plate going now :D
Would you be able to share with me the plate file? I would love to make an alps build!

I think you're a few months too late. Also, please be weary of making alps plates on this board - the plate is much thicker than 1.2 mm, so getting stabilizer clips held in is going to be an issue. Also, alps PCBs for standard layouts other than 60% are few and far between right now.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 26 April 2019, 20:58:58
Hey PlastikSchnittstelle, I've ordered a 60% hhkb layout but would like a standard 60%. Would I be able to get a swap?

I really have to get that Alps plate going now :D
Would you be able to share with me the plate file? I would love to make an alps build!

Interesting question. I have a few more or less rather wacky ideas for layouts (all within the size and shape of a "proper" 75%), and custom-made (single layout) plates to support custom PCBs would be a great thing to have... and to mount on the SKB75.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Data on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:25:26
now I have all of it!
damn, just a small box of of steel plates feels so much heavier than a big box with alu case parts.
happy with the NOT shiny plates.
Sweet Jesus... that's a lot of plates!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 29 April 2019, 07:55:54
now I have all of it!
damn, just a small box of of steel plates feels so much heavier than a big box with alu case parts.
happy with the NOT shiny plates.

 :eek: :eek: :eek: Hope you get some help sorting all those out!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: TOZZIL on Tue, 30 April 2019, 06:35:34

Great the see the boards have been delivered! I really have to get that Alps plate going now :D

I am also interested in the file(s) for an Alps plate. Did you ask Plastikschnittstelle to make it for you?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 30 April 2019, 07:12:15
Here you can see the three ALPS plates I did so far. I can't remember the details about those plates, but I'm sure the ones of you I did them for do know ;)
[attach=1]
The guys that these were made for are aware that they have to use 1.2mm instead of the standard 1.5mm.

For those who didn't notice jet, everybody taking part in this GB can just PM me if you want a DXF of your custom plate. I did quite a few so far. If there is one of you who asked me for one but hasen't gotten it jet, please just PM me again, I might have forgotten about one or two of you  :-[
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 30 April 2019, 10:22:32
Here you can see the three ALPS plates I did so far. I can't remember the details about those plates, but I'm sure the ones of you I did them for do know ;)
(Attachment Link)
The guys that these were made for are aware that they have to use 1.2mm instead of the standard 1.5mm.

For those who didn't notice jet, everybody taking part in this GB can just PM me if you want a DXF of your custom plate. I did quite a few so far. If there is one of you who asked me for one but hasen't gotten it jet, please just PM me again, I might have forgotten about one or two of you  :-[

Waitasec... let's see if I understand this correctly. You take requests for the design of a (1.2mm) custom plate, to be fit into an SKB75 or an SKB60 case. You'll produce a DXF file that I can later send off to, say, laserboost, so they'll do the cutting, and send the plate back to me. I will then be able to mount the switches on the plate, handwire them to a controller and then get my totally custom 75% layout. Right?

If so, when this GB is done and you've taken proper rest, I'll be asking you to do a plate for me. If it should please you. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 30 April 2019, 11:11:17
Here you can see the three ALPS plates I did so far. I can't remember the details about those plates, but I'm sure the ones of you I did them for do know ;)
(Attachment Link)
The guys that these were made for are aware that they have to use 1.2mm instead of the standard 1.5mm.

For those who didn't notice jet, everybody taking part in this GB can just PM me if you want a DXF of your custom plate. I did quite a few so far. If there is one of you who asked me for one but hasen't gotten it jet, please just PM me again, I might have forgotten about one or two of you  :-[

Waitasec... let's see if I understand this correctly. You take requests for the design of a (1.2mm) custom plate, to be fit into an SKB75 or an SKB60 case. You'll produce a DXF file that I can later send off to, say, laserboost, so they'll do the cutting, and send the plate back to me. I will then be able to mount the switches on the plate, handwire them to a controller and then get my totally custom 75% layout. Right?

If so, when this GB is done and you've taken proper rest, I'll be asking you to do a plate for me. If it should please you. :thumb:

Yeah, it's pretty damned unreasonable how reasonable and helpful PlastikSchnittstelle is! ;D
The sheer nerve of him to run this expansive GB with so many stock options AND offer help with files to make CUSTOM parts that don't benefit him at all, but help the buyers and users of his product!!  ;D ;D
Next thing you know the jerk will be giving away free boards to people just because he's nice and generous!!! Oh wait... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 30 April 2019, 13:03:35
Yeah, it's pretty damned unreasonable how reasonable and helpful PlastikSchnittstelle is! ;D
The sheer nerve of him to run this expansive GB with so many stock options AND offer help with files to make CUSTOM parts that don't benefit him at all, but help the buyers and users of his product!!  ;D ;D
Next thing you know the jerk will be giving away free boards to people just because he's nice and generous!!! Oh wait... ;D ;D ;D

Yeah! How dare you, PlastikSchnittstelle? I'm gonna have to give you a stern look of disapprov... er... admiration. Dude, you're the best. :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: synchromatik on Tue, 30 April 2019, 13:07:59
i am changing location in the meantime, same town - is it possible to change delivery address still?

happy everything is done! are you happy with how they came thru?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 30 April 2019, 14:30:56
Will be moving at the end of next month. Any idea whether these start shipping and such before that?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 30 April 2019, 14:35:23
Will be moving at the end of next month. Any idea whether these start shipping and such before that?

pm me, I'll note that and email you before I put your shipping lable onto the box
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 01 May 2019, 16:04:39
UPDATE / Quality Control:

Over the last days I've been digging through the boxes whenever I had time to.

I'm happy with the edges, flanges, overall precision and the anodizing. However I'm not entirely happy with the bead blasting.
There are spots, where the bead blasting does not seem to be applied thoroughly enough to fully erase certain traces in the surface. I'm not sure if these traces which look like mini scratches have something to do with the "Walzrichtung" (not sure of the correct english translation) of the sheet metal or if they maybe stem from when you slide the top sheet from the stack in order to move it. Most of the time the bead blasting makes these traces disappear but there are spots where this is still visible. It is only noticeable in bright light and hard to explain with words, so I made some pictures.

First build is the SKB65. It was done quickly because I could just put in the finished plate+pcb+switch stack from the very first prototype I ever built way back in 2017, shown at the mechanikon from that year. Picture "DSC_0900" and "DSC_0902" are the ones where you can see what I tried to explain:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/VfKQ9iBT4ozhqfz1A)

Second and third builds are both SKB60-YAS. plate+pcb+switch stacks were also already finished, the plates are custom and don't have the black surface treatement, that's why you'll see the shiny steel between the caps. Both layouts are also possible with the YAS plate of course:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/gQWLdBeBUU9Yjf4M8)

Finally some pictures of just a top part, focusing on surface areas that are fine:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/BSKAHkSJwMoQ7txr7)

Personally I don't really mind if it is my personal SKB but some of you might feel different about this, so that's why I'm addressing this now. After noticing it the first time this was a little shock to me, but overall I'm very pleased with the result and how all the other details (which had caused so much trouble before) turned out.
Please let me know what you think of this.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: anfledd on Wed, 01 May 2019, 16:09:09
From my POV, I am okay with some imperfections. I didn't see anything in the images that made me say I would not accept what's there. Of course easier to see that stuff in person, but still I thought it looked good.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: macken on Wed, 01 May 2019, 16:18:43
I think it looks good. Didn’t see anything on the pictures that would make me think otherwise.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 01 May 2019, 17:29:44
Looks fine. Ship ship ship!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: wd9001 on Wed, 01 May 2019, 18:52:14
In terms of noticeable imperfections, nothing seems to jump out! I would be happy with what the images show.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: realxmlforce on Wed, 01 May 2019, 18:55:20
couldnt find any imperfections you mentioned on the photos. Can you do a detail shot with an arrow pointing to those imperfections? But i guess when nobody notices those imperfections you may just start shipping ;)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: eas on Wed, 01 May 2019, 19:10:16
I'm unable to see a fault.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: rondg on Wed, 01 May 2019, 19:41:55
I'm unable to see a fault.

Same here
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 01 May 2019, 21:29:49
UPDATE / Quality Control:

...However I'm not entirely happy with the bead blasting.
There are spots, where the bead blasting does not seem to be applied thoroughly enough to fully erase certain traces in the surface. I'm not sure if these traces which look like mini scratches have something to do with the "Walzrichtung" (not sure of the correct english translation) of the sheet metal or if they maybe stem from when you slide the top sheet from the stack in order to move it. Most of the time the bead blasting makes these traces disappear but there are spots where this is still visible. It is only noticeable in bright light and hard to explain with words, so I made some pictures.
...
Personally I don't really mind if it is my personal SKB but some of you might feel different about this, so that's why I'm addressing this now. After noticing it the first time this was a little shock to me, but overall I'm very pleased with the result and how all the other details (which had caused so much trouble before) turned out.
Please let me know what you think of this.

I think the word you are looking for is "Grain", essentially the natural texture of the base aluminum (grain also describes the texture and direction of the fibres in wood, as an example).

I can just barely see the areas where you pointed out concern, but I feel that these very faint and small areas of inconsistency in beadblast texture are not worth any stress. They are part of the industrial finish and look of the SKB, and contribute to it. I am very happy that you have this high of a standard with your project, but in my opinion, it's all good. Get sorting and send those boards out! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: pertain on Wed, 01 May 2019, 21:56:47
I can just barely see the areas where you pointed out concern, but I feel that these very faint and small areas of inconsistency in beadblast texture are not worth any stress. They are part of the industrial finish and look of the SKB, and contribute to it. I am very happy that you have this high of a standard with your project, but in my opinion, it's all good. Get sorting and send those boards out! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Couldn't have said it better. There is nothing concerning in those pictures, but I'm very happy that your standards are so high.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 01 May 2019, 22:43:38
"Doesn't look like anything to me."
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: proboy84 on Wed, 01 May 2019, 22:58:48
UPDATE / Quality Control:

Over the last days I've been digging through the boxes whenever I had time to.

I'm happy with the edges, flanges, overall precision and the anodizing. However I'm not entirely happy with the bead blasting.
There are spots, where the bead blasting does not seem to be applied thoroughly enough to fully erase certain traces in the surface. I'm not sure if these traces which look like mini scratches have something to do with the "Walzrichtung" (not sure of the correct english translation) of the sheet metal or if they maybe stem from when you slide the top sheet from the stack in order to move it. Most of the time the bead blasting makes these traces disappear but there are spots where this is still visible. It is only noticeable in bright light and hard to explain with words, so I made some pictures.

First build is the SKB65. It was done quickly because I could just put in the finished plate+pcb+switch stack from the very first prototype I ever built way back in 2017, shown at the mechanikon from that year. Picture "DSC_0900" and "DSC_0902" are the ones where you can see what I tried to explain:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/VfKQ9iBT4ozhqfz1A)

Second and third builds are both SKB60-YAS. plate+pcb+switch stacks were also already finished, the plates are custom and don't have the black surface treatement, that's why you'll see the shiny steel between the caps. Both layouts are also possible with the YAS plate of course:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/gQWLdBeBUU9Yjf4M8)

Finally some pictures of just a top part, focusing on surface areas that are fine:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/BSKAHkSJwMoQ7txr7)

Personally I don't really mind if it is my personal SKB but some of you might feel different about this, so that's why I'm addressing this now. After noticing it the first time this was a little shock to me, but overall I'm very pleased with the result and how all the other details (which had caused so much trouble before) turned out.
Please let me know what you think of this.
look fine for me..

Anyway do you have some 65% extra?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ThomasTH on Thu, 02 May 2019, 00:10:04
I don't see anything bad either, i prefer small imperfections over not delivered gbs any day ;)

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Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: C7Kinetic on Thu, 02 May 2019, 04:32:22
I see what you meant in the photos, the slight grain that still comes through the bead blasting. However, I am completely fine with the finish and would be happy to receive the current product as is. Can't wait for these to be shipped out!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Thu, 02 May 2019, 04:51:14
Absolutely ok with me
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: FSund on Thu, 02 May 2019, 05:30:15
Looks perfectly fine and industrial to me :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: KeyCap75 on Thu, 02 May 2019, 07:37:09
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: koenoe on Thu, 02 May 2019, 08:00:40
Looks amazing! Can't wait ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Data on Thu, 02 May 2019, 09:46:35
UPDATE / Quality Control:

Over the last days I've been digging through the boxes whenever I had time to.

I'm happy with the edges, flanges, overall precision and the anodizing. However I'm not entirely happy with the bead blasting.
There are spots, where the bead blasting does not seem to be applied thoroughly enough to fully erase certain traces in the surface. I'm not sure if these traces which look like mini scratches have something to do with the "Walzrichtung" (not sure of the correct english translation) of the sheet metal or if they maybe stem from when you slide the top sheet from the stack in order to move it. Most of the time the bead blasting makes these traces disappear but there are spots where this is still visible. It is only noticeable in bright light and hard to explain with words, so I made some pictures.

First build is the SKB65. It was done quickly because I could just put in the finished plate+pcb+switch stack from the very first prototype I ever built way back in 2017, shown at the mechanikon from that year. Picture "DSC_0900" and "DSC_0902" are the ones where you can see what I tried to explain:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/VfKQ9iBT4ozhqfz1A)

Second and third builds are both SKB60-YAS. plate+pcb+switch stacks were also already finished, the plates are custom and don't have the black surface treatement, that's why you'll see the shiny steel between the caps. Both layouts are also possible with the YAS plate of course:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/gQWLdBeBUU9Yjf4M8)

Finally some pictures of just a top part, focusing on surface areas that are fine:
LINK TO THE ALBUM (https://photos.app.goo.gl/BSKAHkSJwMoQ7txr7)

Personally I don't really mind if it is my personal SKB but some of you might feel different about this, so that's why I'm addressing this now. After noticing it the first time this was a little shock to me, but overall I'm very pleased with the result and how all the other details (which had caused so much trouble before) turned out.
Please let me know what you think of this.

I honestly can't find any of the flaws you mentioned.  But even if I could, it feels like they would still fit the "industrial" theme of this case.  Sometimes tooling marks can be very attractive.  I know that's not what you wanted -- that's the whole point of media blasting.  But it doesn't necessarily detract from the appearance.

Large gouging or obvious, deep scratches would be another matter.  But I don't see anything remotely like that.  Can you partially assemble and photograph an example of your "worst case"?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Sshimosawa on Thu, 02 May 2019, 09:51:41
Yup. Looks good. Lets ship em.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: AbstraktDesignLab on Thu, 02 May 2019, 16:13:18
Will there be a Round 2 or extras for this? I would love to grab one of these at some point, but missed out on the original group buy.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 02 May 2019, 18:18:09
Will there be a Round 2 or extras for this? I would love to grab one of these at some point, but missed out on the original group buy.

There are some very limited number of extras, just PM PlastikSchnittstelle to get instructions to order them.

This Round started at earlier than the summer in 2017, if there is a Round 2, I am not sure if everything logistics included will stay the same or PlastikSchnittstelle may want to make changes to let the productions run more smoothly.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 02 May 2019, 18:30:38
… if there is a Round 2 …

I suspect that clamors for it will start as soon as the first SKB keyboards are built and shown off in all of the enthusiasts' sites. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: noobas4urus on Thu, 02 May 2019, 20:32:34
As we say in the business: "Ship it!"

Looking good, getting excited!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Shados on Thu, 02 May 2019, 21:06:51
I can maybe see what you're talking about, but I don't think it detracts from the aesthetic at all.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: LordHellmchen on Fri, 03 May 2019, 03:55:31
OK I was looking at those pictures for several minutes now, and every picture just confirms that I'm realy happy to be in this GB.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: faxe on Fri, 03 May 2019, 04:31:19
Looks good, lets go!  :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 03 May 2019, 05:08:26
UPDATE, continuing as planned:

OK, I wanted to wait for a good amount of feedback on this. I conclude that I proceed as planned - sorting, packing, shipping!

TBO, anything else would be nuts. I'm at a point where I can hardly justify to put more time and effort into this. Getting into a dispute about the bead blasting with the manufacturer might very well result in some kind of legal battle. So I'm really relieved all of you see it that way.

This weekend and next week I can't dedicate much time, but after that I'll be able to ramp up the effort again :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 03 May 2019, 05:19:09
Regarding additional orders:

Some ask if they can still get an SKB case. Like I had mentioned a few times already, "extras" don't mean there is any kind of additional production. I have simply ordered more cases that are currently ordered (a few of each version, more of then popular versions, less of the less popular ones). By "extras" I just refer to the jet unsold amount of SKBs.

So if you want one, please just fill out the order form (linked in the start post) and you'll get an invoice from me in the following days. If the particular version is out, I'll let you know.

My fault that I have to repeat this over and over, I should really put this on top of the GB thread in big bold letters.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 03 May 2019, 05:26:56
I wanted to post the updates on reddit as well but my original GB thread and the mechmarket thread over there are both ARCHIVED  :'(
Seems like I have to start a knew post there about this, will make that next week.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 03 May 2019, 09:06:35
Just make sure that you've QC'd all your cases and use some the extras to fulfill any from the regular GB before you sell them all. It can save a lot of headache having extras in case something gets lost in shipping or whatever.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 03 May 2019, 09:11:42
Just make sure that you've QC'd all your cases and use some the extras to fulfill any from the regular GB before you sell them all. It can save a lot of headache having extras in case something gets lost in shipping or whatever.

Absolutely! With so many shipements it is quite possible that there might be one or two losses. although shipping will be tracked, I will hold a few back.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 03 May 2019, 10:13:28
Regarding additional orders:

Some ask if they can still get an SKB case. Like I had mentioned a few times already, "extras" don't mean there is any kind of additional production. I have simply ordered more cases that are currently ordered (a few of each version, more of then popular versions, less of the less popular ones). By "extras" I just refer to the jet unsold amount of SKBs.

So if you want one, please just fill out the order form (linked in the start post) and you'll get an invoice from me in the following days. If the particular version is out, I'll let you know.

My fault that I have to repeat this over and over, I should really put this on top of the GB thread in big bold letters.

Can you update the original post at the beginning of this GB thread with that info, at the very top in red with the date like you did for previous updates? Will save you some headache. Also, maybe put those pictures of received plates/cases so people can refer to it quickly. That way the rest of us can just say "Check the Original Post"  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 03 May 2019, 12:30:12
(https://i.imgur.com/F775h71.png)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P7csujAuY4zr8SKfCfLIZfpN7Q2ZJUT9/view?usp=sharing

Here is an alps plate for the SKB75 that I will be using. If anyone needs a custom plate DXF made, please contact me and I'll be happy to put one together for you!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 03 May 2019, 15:16:05
As others mentioned already, I can't see anything alarming regarding bead blasting defects, maybe a few spots though could be dust as well?

Looking good, can't wait.

Did you receive my PM regarding the address change?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Hadi on Fri, 03 May 2019, 15:48:54
If we got in on an HHKB model, is it too late to switch over to WKL? Apologies if you've answered this already.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 03 May 2019, 15:55:24
As others mentioned already, I can't see anything alarming regarding bead blasting defects, maybe a few spots though could be dust as well?

If you mean the white/bright dots/points/sprinkles - that are particles from the silk paper / tissue paper / wrapping paper (damn, I'm just never sure about the appropriate translation)

Did you receive my PM regarding the address change?

yes, got it  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 03 May 2019, 16:02:21
If we got in on an HHKB model, is it too late to switch over to WKL? Apologies if you've answered this already.

ouh damn, HHKB SKBs I definately have enough overproduction but WKL not. Switching at this stage is generally a problem. I had set a deadline for version switching way back. Imagine I allow one to switch now, suddenly 20 more will ask and quickly I have negative version X and way too much version Y.
Let me check the numbers when I'm back in the office on monday, then I'll pm you.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: Hadi on Fri, 03 May 2019, 16:55:50
If we got in on an HHKB model, is it too late to switch over to WKL? Apologies if you've answered this already.

ouh damn, HHKB SKBs I definately have enough overproduction but WKL not. Switching at this stage is generally a problem. I had set a deadline for version switching way back. Imagine I allow one to switch now, suddenly 20 more will ask and quickly I have negative version X and way too much version Y.
Let me check the numbers when I'm back in the office on monday, then I'll pm you.

I figured as much, just thought to ask. Either way, both look great! Thanks Plastik.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: macken on Wed, 08 May 2019, 11:10:31
Any estimate on when you are going to start shipping the cases?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: okidna on Wed, 08 May 2019, 11:51:00
Any estimate on when you are going to start shipping the cases?

Probably next week according to this post :

UPDATE, continuing as planned:

OK, I wanted to wait for a good amount of feedback on this. I conclude that I proceed as planned - sorting, packing, shipping!

TBO, anything else would be nuts. I'm at a point where I can hardly justify to put more time and effort into this. Getting into a dispute about the bead blasting with the manufacturer might very well result in some kind of legal battle. So I'm really relieved all of you see it that way.

This weekend and next week I can't dedicate much time, but after that I'll be able to ramp up the effort again :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 08 May 2019, 22:34:56
Help me out with a dilemma guys: Do you think Zilents or Healios would feel better on the steel plate?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 08 May 2019, 23:45:08
Healios for sure
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (in production)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 May 2019, 04:57:17
Any estimate on when you are going to start shipping the cases?

Like mentioned before, I can't spend much time on it now. Going through all the cases for quality control took super long already. next week sorting and packaging will start. It's A LOT! I hope I will be able to send out the first batches still this month.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 May 2019, 04:58:22
After I realized that the two original GB threads on reddit are already archived, I made a new post to update the participants over there.
FIY: reddit GB update (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/blocro/gb_skbxx_alternative_custom_kb_case_update/)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 May 2019, 04:59:03
UPDATE, address change:
quite a few have contacted me because they moved and have a new address. I don't respond to all of these messages, but of course I'm aware. Before I'll put the shipping lables onto the packages, every single participant will get an email containing your order and address - that will be the last chance to make changes to the address.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: eas on Thu, 09 May 2019, 19:49:15
Anyone consider having a Delrin plate cut? Wondering how it might sound in the case. I already ordered an extra plate so why not have 3.  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: 1corazon on Tue, 14 May 2019, 06:24:34
Cant thank you enough for making this, your the best and thank you again CANT WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: glubazoid on Sat, 18 May 2019, 10:28:39
Any updates?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 22 May 2019, 10:17:15
PS found dead - crushed under 2 tons of cases. F in the chat
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 22 May 2019, 14:58:04
- Standoffs M3x6mm (SW5,5) x 3000
- Standoffs M3x7mm (SW5,5) x 3000
- Screws M3x14 x 3000

These are the last missing pieces before I can finally start packing boxes. I ordered from China via Alibaba because I wasn't able to source the standoffs for a reasonable price here in Germany.
They were supposed to arrive on Tuesday / yesterday by TNT, but now they are stuck at customs. I really hope this won't take long! It feels like there is some kind of force that wants me to be cought up in this GB for ever  >:D

All other parts like spacers, M3x8mm screws, M3x12mm screws, mothers, rubberfees are all here and ready. These were sourcable from Germany easily.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 22 May 2019, 15:01:14
- Standoffs M3x6mm (SW5,5) x 3000
- Standoffs M3x7mm (SW5,5) x 3000
- Screws M3x14 x 3000

These are the last missing pieces before I can finally start packing boxes. I ordered from China via Alibaba because I wasn't able to source the standoffs for a reasonable price here in Germany.
They were supposed to arrive on Tuesday / yesterday by TNT, but now they are stuck at customs. I really hope this won't take long! It feels like there is some kind of force that wants me to be cought up in this GB for ever  >:D

All other parts like spacers, M3x8mm screws, M3x12mm screws, mothers, rubberfees are all here and ready. These were sourcable from Germany easily.

nice
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: macken on Wed, 22 May 2019, 15:07:04
- Standoffs M3x6mm (SW5,5) x 3000
- Standoffs M3x7mm (SW5,5) x 3000
- Screws M3x14 x 3000

These are the last missing pieces before I can finally start packing boxes. I ordered from China via Alibaba because I wasn't able to source the standoffs for a reasonable price here in Germany.
They were supposed to arrive on Tuesday / yesterday by TNT, but now they are stuck at customs. I really hope this won't take long! It feels like there is some kind of force that wants me to be cought up in this GB for ever  >:D

All other parts like spacers, M3x8mm screws, M3x12mm screws, mothers, rubberfees are all here and ready. These were sourcable from Germany easily.

It's getting really close now!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 22 May 2019, 15:30:52
...
It feels like there is some kind of force that wants me to be cought up in this GB for ever  >:D
...


"... but this is your fight ..." May the force be with you to counter the dark force!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 22 May 2019, 16:48:23
It feels like there is some kind of force that wants me to be cought up in this GB for ever  >:D

Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Shihatsu on Thu, 23 May 2019, 10:42:32
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: ampt on Thu, 23 May 2019, 11:00:32
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
SKBdox next!! Hahahahaha

Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 23 May 2019, 12:20:32
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
SKBdox next!! Hahahahaha

Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

Everyone calm down... SKB1800 obviously.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: TuCZnak on Thu, 23 May 2019, 12:22:49
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
SKBdox next!! Hahahahaha

Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

Everyone calm down... SKB1800 obviously.

You wanted to say SKBattlecruiser, right?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 23 May 2019, 18:06:25
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
SKBdox next!! Hahahahaha

Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

Everyone calm down... SKB1800 obviously.

Now you're talking crazy. SKBattleship and SKBattleship++ it is. It HAS to be.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 23 May 2019, 18:57:15
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
SKBdox next!! Hahahahaha

Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

Everyone calm down... SKB1800 obviously.

Now you're talking crazy. SKBattleship and SKBattleship++ it is. It HAS to be.

SKBHyper7
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: kmfmppl on Fri, 24 May 2019, 01:57:38
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
SKBdox next!! Hahahahaha

Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

Everyone calm down... SKB1800 obviously.

Now you're talking crazy. SKBattleship and SKBattleship++ it is. It HAS to be.

SKBHyper7

I'd buy that
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 24 May 2019, 03:59:47
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
SKBdox next!! Hahahahaha

Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

Everyone calm down... SKB1800 obviously.

Now you're talking crazy. SKBattleship and SKBattleship++ it is. It HAS to be.

SKBHyper7

I'd buy that

GUYS!

I'll be more than happy after all cases are shipped and everyone is happy. Another SKB round or version is very unlikely.

Why:
The reason this GB took - wait "takes" is still more appropriate - so long is mainly because bending aluminium is hard to control. With every new sample I got some flaws were eliminated, but other problems appearer that weren't there before. In the process I had to change the manufacturer TWICE until I found the company that was able to deliver the whole thing. I don't want to go through this process again. Now that the knowledge is acquired one would assume that a new production would go smooth. I'm afraid that with every changed parameter, like bigger overall case size, some new problem will emerge and the nightmare starts again.

So let's just hope that those damn standoffs will pass through customs quickly so that I can start packing and that all cases arrive.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 24 May 2019, 05:27:55
I remember seeing a working prototype in the summer of Mechanicon 2017...
Probably this 1-man Gb project has been haunting Op for this whole time, and we have to probably wait till the Gb-stress is over before Op can give us some more favorable response about future projects possibility...
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 24 May 2019, 07:13:11
Could you give us any info as to when you expect to start shipping stuff?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 24 May 2019, 07:40:08
First the standoffs need to arrive, here you can see the current status:
[attach=1]

Then I will pack all the accessories into little plastic bags, this is planned:

Pack A (for the case):
- 4x M3x8 [OK]
- 4x 1mm Spacers [OK]
- 4x Muttern [OK]
- 6x Rubber feet [OK]

Pack B (for installing the plate):
- 8x M3x12 [OK]
- 8x 6mm Standoffs [incoming-china]
- 8x 0,5mm Spacers [OK]
- 8x Muttern [OK]

Pack C  (also plate but deeper in the case):
- 8x M3x14 [incoming-china]
- 8x 7mm Standoffs [incoming-china]

Then I can start packing the cases with the accesories into the boxes.
The boxes will only get a number at that point.
When I have all packed, or I run out of space, I will send out emails to those who are part of the batch that is supposed to be sent out. Once I have a confirmation that the address is correct, I'll buy the shipping online, print out the lables and put them onto the boxes. At that point a batch is ready and I'll bring it to the nearest post office. I'll repeat that process untill everything is shipped. That's the plan.

Let's hope the standoffs will be here soon, so I can start the process. I don't really know how long the whole packing and sending out process will take, two weeks minimum I guess.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Zuology on Fri, 24 May 2019, 10:29:59
Think it's bad now? Wait until the clamour for a round 2 starts!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


(also, how about a SKBTKL?  :cool: )
Dis, and how bout a a SKB104? GIEBGIEBGIEB!
SKBdox next!! Hahahahaha

Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

Everyone calm down... SKB1800 obviously.

Now you're talking crazy. SKBattleship and SKBattleship++ it is. It HAS to be.

SKBHyper7

I'd buy that

GUYS!

I'll be more than happy after all cases are shipped and everyone is happy. Another SKB round or version is very unlikely.

Heard it here first, start buying up all those extras now and get ready to flip them for resale prices  :eek:


But seriously, I've been vocal about how enormously complex of a GB this is for someone to run for their very first GB ever, let alone at the quantities and configuration combinations that have to be managed. Much props to Plastikschnittstelle for the transparency and communication this entire time. I personally am (still sadly) part of a GB where the runner has gone completely MIA apparently due to IRL stress and responsibilities, and has communicated none of this directly even on their own discord server, and it is a GB with maybe 10% the quantities and complexity.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 25 May 2019, 08:58:59
That beer after all shipments are confirmed as arrived ok will taste soooo good. :D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 28 May 2019, 10:34:52
standoffs have arrived today!!!
[attach=1]
packing acessories bags starts tomorrow :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 28 May 2019, 10:48:55
just updated on reddit as well, also pics of carbon bone on another SKB60 build linked there.
LINK (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/bu1huc/gb_skbxx_update_time_to_pack/)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Vireca on Wed, 29 May 2019, 08:28:06
You are amazing man, thanks for the updates :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 29 May 2019, 13:35:41
Looking good!

I will pm you also, but unfortunately I will be changing address during the next month or so. Will you be giving an alert/update when you start final shipping?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 29 May 2019, 14:00:44
yes, don't worry, before I print out the shipping lable, an email goes out for address confirmation.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Thu, 30 May 2019, 08:00:24


Dude, I applaud you for your effort during this group buy. As a novice designer and relatively new group buy runner myself, I can relate to the pain of being let down my manufacturers all too much. Thank you for sticking with it, enjoy what you sow from it and take comfort in the fact that you will be delivering a highly-sought product to some very excited people.

I look forward to receiving mine, that's for sure!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: SteffeMK on Mon, 03 June 2019, 09:36:49
yes, don't worry, before I print out the shipping lable, an email goes out for address confirmation.

When will you start sending out emails?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 03 June 2019, 11:02:27
In this picture you see stuff that still needs to be done on the left. On the right you see three boxes that are filled with bags, those are already filled. I'm about 25% do with the accessories:
[attach=1]

After all the accessories are done, I can start wrapping cases and putting them into boxes together with the accessories. When that is done I'll send out the emails in order to confirm the addresses.

Please understand that I can't do this packing full time.

Little side note:
I ordered M3 standoffs with SW-5.5 but what I got is SW5. That's luckily not a problem for the build, SW-5.5 is just thicker that 5, but anyway this is a pretty ****ty thing.
Also pretty ****ty is that in the pack of 7mm standoffs in between I find some that are 6mm. So when packing the little bags I have to be extra careful to spot the ones with the wrong length.

SW stands for "SchlüsselWeite". This (https://www.amazon.de/Wera-2069-Elektroniker-Steckschl%C3%BCssel-60-05118126001/dp/B001555F8G/ref=pd_sim_60_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B001550BDK&pd_rd_r=9ce633e9-8618-11e9-8290-1f7ef5cdf6ea&pd_rd_w=0mCRQ&pd_rd_wg=OGzhE&pf_rd_p=b0773d2f-6335-4e3d-8bed-091e22ee3de4&pf_rd_r=F20XYVVW808N40Z8JRD6&refRID=F20XYVVW808N40Z8JRD6&th=1) is the kind of tool that will come in very handy when assembling the SKB.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Data on Mon, 03 June 2019, 12:39:11
Wera makes nice tools.  I have their torque driver.
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SchlüsselWeite

In English that's the "Width Across Flats".  I suppose SchlüsselWeite is probably a more efficient term for it.  :p
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Vireca on Mon, 03 June 2019, 13:29:15
10€ that tool in amazon germany, 6 in spain xD. Same brand
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: kim-kim on Mon, 03 June 2019, 17:54:00
In this picture you see stuff that still needs to be done on the left. On the right you see three boxes that are filled with bags, those are already filled. I'm about 25% do with the accessories:
(Attachment Link)

After all the accessories are done, I can start wrapping cases and putting them into boxes together with the accessories. When that is done I'll send out the emails in order to confirm the addresses.

Please understand that I can't do this packing full time.

Little side note:
I ordered M3 standoffs with SW-5.5 but what I got is SW5. That's luckily not a problem for the build, SW-5.5 is just thicker that 5, but anyway this is a pretty ****ty thing.
Also pretty ****ty is that in the pack of 7mm standoffs in between I find some that are 6mm. So when packing the little bags I have to be extra careful to spot the ones with the wrong length.

SW stands for "SchlüsselWeite". This (https://www.amazon.de/Wera-2069-Elektroniker-Steckschl%C3%BCssel-60-05118126001/dp/B001555F8G/ref=pd_sim_60_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B001550BDK&pd_rd_r=9ce633e9-8618-11e9-8290-1f7ef5cdf6ea&pd_rd_w=0mCRQ&pd_rd_wg=OGzhE&pf_rd_p=b0773d2f-6335-4e3d-8bed-091e22ee3de4&pf_rd_r=F20XYVVW808N40Z8JRD6&refRID=F20XYVVW808N40Z8JRD6&th=1) is the kind of tool that will come in very handy when assembling the SKB.

Don't you have any friends that can help? Sorting small yet many items seems very exhausting
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 07 June 2019, 11:59:28
Is there any way we can expedite the process by confirming our addresses? It may take some time for everyone to respond to you before you ship...
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: glubazoid on Fri, 07 June 2019, 12:12:05
Is there any way we can expedite the process by confirming our addresses? It may take some time for everyone to respond to you before you ship...

Good point, this could be done in between, could also break up the mundane task of packaging everything  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: ojrask on Mon, 10 June 2019, 15:16:32
Take all the time you need, I know how the small tedious stuff can eat away all motivation and interest. Take breaks, and let us know if you need a while to gather finger strength. A few more days is not too bad of a wait for me at least.

My address has changed as mentioned earlier and will confirm that once you begin slapping shipping labels on the cases.

Thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: constexpr on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:46:22
I put in a late order for an SKB60 in YAS layout + a YAS62 PCB yesterday. I messaged Plastik on Reddit, and he replied that he'd be able to dedicate time to the GB again this coming week (he had been busy previously). :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 17 June 2019, 03:06:12
Just gonna leave this here..

Parts are starting to get anxious and moves around at night to assemble itself, my potato spy cam caught it. I think they desperately needs a SKB case to go in :))

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: koenoe on Mon, 17 June 2019, 05:43:26
I don't really get how it's still possible to accept orders. Wouldn't it be better to focus on getting the first orders out and deal with extras after the GB?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 17 June 2019, 07:32:23
I don't really get how it's still possible to accept orders. Wouldn't it be better to focus on getting the first orders out and deal with extras after the GB?

He's explained it pretty clearly a couple of times, but it's not actually him "taking new orders" as much as it is that he is taking requests to fulfill with extras *after* all previous orders are put together and fulfilled. Nothing difficult about it, just that he won't charge/confirm the "late" orders unless he knows he can fill them.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 17 June 2019, 08:28:16
UPDATE, PACKING

was ill and after that I had to care about work and else.
now back and all the accessories are packed:
[attach=1]
this week I'll start packing the boxes:
[attach=2]
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 17 June 2019, 08:55:09
I don't really get how it's still possible to accept orders. Wouldn't it be better to focus on getting the first orders out and deal with extras after the GB?

I'll explaine it to you. I have gotten quite a few more cases than all of you have ordered (like mentioned a few times already). The reason for that is that I wanted to have some backup cases if some get lost on the way and that I can simply sell a few more. Selling the rest does not require me to do any sort of labor. all that happenes is someone fills out the order form and gets an invoice in return. of course this will be fullfilled after all others that have ordered before. I hope this explains why it is still possible to order.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Mon, 17 June 2019, 10:26:29
(https://i.imgur.com/LC0FKGy.jpg)

These Alps need a home!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 17 June 2019, 10:34:29
Just gonna leave this here..
(Attachment Link)

Wow, this looks nice! Reminds me that I want to try some kind of tactile switch again.

These Alps need a home!

Let me just show what I'm using atm. It is the standard SKB60 of which I had posted pics here (https://photos.app.goo.gl/hHeVzaFtoeCiJJpQ9). The box jade switches are the updated version but I still wasn't comfortable putting GMK caps onto them. I switched to super cheap and thin Tai Hao ABS double shots. It won't be a huge loss in case the stems break. No high-end DSLR pics, just phone and bad lighting to emphasizes the dirt this SKB has already collected. I know those pics are not sexy at all, but they are honest :)

[attach=1] [attach=2]

... I'll go pack some boxes now ;)

Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 17 June 2019, 10:44:10
Let me just show what I'm using atm. It is the standard SKB60 of which I had posted pics here (https://photos.app.goo.gl/hHeVzaFtoeCiJJpQ9). The box jade switches are the updated version but I still wasn't comfortable putting GMK caps onto them. I switched to super cheap and thin Tai Hao ABS double shots. It won't be a huge loss in case the stems break. No high-end DSLR pics, just phone and bad lighting to emphasizes the dirt this SKB has already collected. I know those pics are not sexy at all, but they are honest :)

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

... I'll go pack some boxes now ;)

Humble-flexing with potato pics of dirty SKB with cheap TaiHao... While we thirst for our own to dirty up and do bad things to.

GO PACK BOXES  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Coloneljesus on Mon, 17 June 2019, 11:50:34
I don't really get how it's still possible to accept orders. Wouldn't it be better to focus on getting the first orders out and deal with extras after the GB?

I'll explaine it to you. I have gotten quite a few more cases than all of you have ordered (like mentioned a few times already). The reason for that is that I wanted to have some backup cases if some get lost on the way and that I can simply sell a few more. Selling the rest does not require me to do any sort of labor. all that happenes is someone fills out the order form and gets an invoice in return. of course this will be fullfilled after all others that have ordered before. I hope this explains why it is still possible to order.

I hope you will wait with cashing in and shipping out extras until after you're sure you don't get any (more) RMAs.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: hansikhouse on Mon, 17 June 2019, 12:26:00
Just learning about this (newbie on Geekhack) and put in an order for an SKB75 in hopes that there are any left available! Fantastic design and would love for this to be my first build.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 17 June 2019, 14:36:57
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LC0FKGy.jpg)


These Alps need a home!

Interesting. This home needs some Alps! :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 17 June 2019, 14:38:57
Just learning about this (newbie on Geekhack) and put in an order for an SKB75 in hopes that there are any left available! Fantastic design and would love for this to be my first build.

More and more I regret ordering only TWO SKB75 cases. :'(
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Mon, 17 June 2019, 14:48:59
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LC0FKGy.jpg)


These Alps need a home!

Interesting. This home needs some Alps! :cool:

Yeah, had some spare white alps lying around and laserboost was having a sale... so I learned plate design, handwiring and the art of soldering wires (much harder than switches for some reason).

And now I get to use these cool vintage keycaps from a 5140 and FK-5001

(https://klikkyklik.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/fk-5001-1.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: Vireca on Thu, 20 June 2019, 02:50:08
For the people who ordered the board later, we will receive it at the same time as GB boards or later?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: r5d on Thu, 20 June 2019, 03:41:04
For the people who ordered the board later, we will receive it at the same time as GB boards or later?

Too lazy to read the thread? There has only been one production run, later orders are filled with extras. You may recieve it a little later depending on the order of fulfillment by PlastikSchnittstelle.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: heavyheaded on Fri, 21 June 2019, 12:22:11
For the people who ordered the board later, we will receive it at the same time as GB boards or later?

Too lazy to read the thread? There has only been one production run, later orders are filled with extras. You may recieve it a little later depending on the order of fulfillment by PlastikSchnittstelle.

It's 20 pages of scattered conversations and non-sequiturs. I'm too lazy to read it and I joined the GB at the start.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: eas on Sun, 23 June 2019, 20:19:55
So no luck with packing this week?
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 24 June 2019, 04:37:41
These days I spend all my spare time with packing. In the start it turned out to be quite difficult. Went back to my spreadsheet in order to make a usefull print out just for packing. Before, I had different types of data spread over different sheets - data that I now need to be in one sheet. Now I know it is better to keep all the data in one sheet and if you need just some of it, you rather use a filter.
Will have to order more bubble wrap soon :)
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: 1corazon on Mon, 24 June 2019, 07:50:01
Cant wait for this mate !! Thank you again for doing this. I think at this stage any information is much appreciated. Cant wait for this !!!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: koduh on Mon, 24 June 2019, 14:14:27
Getting anxious about getting this. All 3 of the GBs I am in right now (Dolch CR, Space65, and SKB65) are in this pack & ship phase for the last month now and its getting to my nerves!
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: eas on Mon, 24 June 2019, 15:36:06
Getting anxious about getting this. All 3 of the GBs I am in right now (Dolch CR, Space65, and SKB65) are in this pack & ship phase for the last month now and its getting to my nerves!

Hello. Doubt this will make you feel any better but last week there was discussion regarding the Space65 on WeChat.
Title: Re: [GB] SKB75, SKB65 & SKB60 (ALL PARTS ARRIVED!)
Post by: menuhin on Tue, 25 June 2019, 02:41:22