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Title: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 10:35:08
(https://i.imgur.com/b3B95Mj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/izAq5o8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eOSbrVI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/x6f6rIH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2SwkIqH.jpg)

IC: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98689.0


Leaf 60 - 60% custom keyboard kit

Information:


(https://i.imgur.com/8FNuseW.png)

Plate mounting: sandwich mount with gaskets



Colors

For regular kits:

* Electrophoretic coating (e-coating) is technically similar to powder coating but way smoother, even smoother than most anodizing.

Color samples: Clear PC, Opaque black PC, purple, E-white (https://i.imgur.com/2SwkIqH.jpg), Yellow (https://i.imgur.com/oLilidy.jpg), E-black (https://i.imgur.com/phTC49A.jpg), E-red (https://i.imgur.com/6rIwjnM.jpg)

For full brass PVD version: silver, gold, rose gold (https://imgur.com/oRAhZdr). A photo  (https://imgur.com/8SWNMsr)of one full brass Orange 75 for your reference.



PCB and Plate

PCB layout:
More
For MX/ALPS compatible PCB:
(https://i.imgur.com/TGPBbbh.jpg)

For MX hotswap PCB:
(https://i.imgur.com/4710nQ9.jpg)

Plate layout:
More
Universal plate:
(https://i.imgur.com/K46gwfi.jpg)

WKL plate:
(https://i.imgur.com/T1VZ5Nd.jpg)

HHKB plate:
(https://i.imgur.com/mUiC2gc.jpg)

ALPS plate:
(https://i.imgur.com/XqPIyKT.jpg)



Placing an Order



Timeline:



Terms

We'll do our best to do QC but we cannot guarantee every board is 100% perfect.
If there are blemishes, depending on the condition of the boards, possible solutions include replacement, return item chargeback, and partial refunds.



Update:

As so many people asked, dedicated WKL plate can be available, but only in black/clear PC.
You can write a note in the last question in the order form and tell me to replace the PC layout to dedicated WKL.

The current "WKL" plate is meant to be used for the hotswap PCB.
The universal plate is a must-have.
The dedicated HHKB plate is requested in the IC.
The ALPS plate is also a must-have.
There's no one that I want to delete, so I make compromise and provide 5th option in PC material only.

I can not provide any more options guys LOL



Update on 01/23:

stop accepting orders.
Deadline for payment is 01/25 everywhere in the world.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: meiosis on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:04:07
Pmed

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:11:01
pming
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: finalarcadia on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:13:24
Pm'd for brass kit, but also getting a polycarbonate kit for sure. Great looking board.

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: yicaoyimu on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:13:44
Just submitted an order. Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Coolbeanz on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:14:37
May I ask what's the differences between E-white and MAO white?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: -musubi on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:15:16
Will RGB leds be installed on the back of the PCBs?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ptiede on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:16:39
Ordered!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:17:26
Ordered a PC HHKB w/ brass plate & weight. Does the PCB have any special features other than center port?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:18:43
May I ask what's the differences between E-white and MAO white?

E-white is pure white. Mao white is greyish white.
E-white is smoother than MAO white.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:21:20
Will RGB leds be installed on the back of the PCBs?

There are no built-in RGB LEDs on the PCB. The main reason is the high failure rate of the RGB LEDs. They are wired in series. One LED has a bad soldering point then all the rest won't work.
The PCB will have soldering pads for LED strips. They are flexible to attach and easy to drive with QMK.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:23:26
In for PC HHKB w/ brass plate & weight. Does the PCB have any special features other than center port?


One is hotswappable. Another supports ALPS and MX. Otherwise, they're nothing special.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: -musubi on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:25:31
Will RGB leds be installed on the back of the PCBs?

There are no built-in RGB LEDs on the PCB. The main reason is the high failure rate of the RGB LEDs. They are wired in series. One LED has a bad soldering point then all the rest won't work.
The PCB will have soldering pads for LED strips. They are flexible to attach and easy to drive with QMK.

Great to know they have the pads available, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: TheArcticFox_27 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:28:22
E-White and E-Red are matte, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: finalarcadia on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:29:52
Don't remember if it was mentioned in IC, but what's PCB color?

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Delirious on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:30:50
As an owner of a few Fox boards, I could really tell the improvements in each and subsequent work. Best of luck to your new group buy
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: bthezebra on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:39:38
Im coming back Senter ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:39:55
Does this close on the 23rd of January?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: temp0321 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:44:52
What is the total weight?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: blizzara01 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:46:28
May we know who will do the shipping?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: o3okevin on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:48:16
Definitely in for this, always 100% positive experiences with Fox Labs' group buys!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: mdlt97 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:55:27
i wish the wkl plate wasnt split bs only

as you have to get a universal plate for normal bs which isnt ideal
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: mog_genius88 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 20:58:19
I want to order three but will I have to pay 3 different shipping prices?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: 8six753o9 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:00:37
Don't remember if it was mentioned in IC, but what's PCB color?

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I believe he said black during IC.  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98689.msg2703695#msg2703695
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:02:02
How soft is the gasket? Does it add significant flex, or is it purely for vibration/sound dampening?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: TheArcticFox_27 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:02:38
Please tell that you got the wrong img for that WKL plate.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:03:31
Is it possible to have more photos of black polycarb?

Edit: Also, could you add an option for ordering extra weight?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Mavarina on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:03:51
pm'ed for brass kit  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Coolbeanz on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:08:13
Please tell that you got the wrong img for that WKL plate.

i wish the wkl plate wasnt split bs only

as you have to get a universal plate for normal bs which isnt ideal

I was wondering this too :( pls have normal bs for WKL plate
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: mdlt97 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:13:18
like im 100% in for a black pc if wkl allows normal bs

but that is a deal breaker
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:14:44
Can we at least get stepped caps lock for the WKL plate? :(
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:18:43
Is the wkl plate really default split backspace? If I want wkl with full backspace, do I need to get the universal plate?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:20:25
I didn't even notice that... Yeah... Need stepped caps and full backspace for wkl.
Can we at least get stepped caps lock for the WKL plate? :(
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: The Raygin Asian on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:25:07
Ordered!!! Quick question with regards to PVD brass finish cost. Is it $12 per brass item?
May we know who will do the shipping?
Also curious about shipping.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:31:44
Iíd really love to have stepped caps and full backspace on WKL too. The universal plate just looks too funky
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Lormania on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:36:25
Here we go!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:37:59
Are changes allowed after submitted order? I want to go ahead and place my order
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: fireworm on Wed, 16 January 2019, 21:48:36
Are changes allowed after submitted order? I want to go ahead and place my order
You get two pms to him from reading the op.

I'm super excited for the alps support. Finally a nice case for alps!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:18:36
E-White and E-Red are matte, right?

Yes
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:18:54
Don't remember if it was mentioned in IC, but what's PCB color?

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It's matte black
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Jkush463 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:19:02
i want one but man i cant PS loving my Leaf80
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:19:22
As an owner of a few Fox boards, I could really tell the improvements in each and subsequent work. Best of luck to your new group buy

Thanks, Delirious
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:20:06
Does this close on the 23rd of January?

Yes
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: mikenogo on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:20:24
Pm'd for all brass!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Sent on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:20:29
I wouldn't mind some more photos of the black polycarb if possible. :-*
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:21:34
What is the total weight?

Haven't measure it yet as there are too many options (e.g. PC, alu, brass). I'll update some info in OP when I get time.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:24:35
May we know who will do the shipping?

As we're not running the GB through zFrontier (due to the CNY holiday), we'll do the shipping directly. We'll work with a DHL proxy.
The good thing is, the shipping will be much faster. zFrontier second time QC normally take one week or more.
The bad thing is, we don't have the second time QC this time. We'll do the QC more carefully tho.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:27:43
i wish the wkl plate wasnt split bs only

as you have to get a universal plate for normal bs which isnt ideal

The WKL plate is meant to be used with the hotswap PCB.
Yes, it's not ideal. However, it's not possible to make it ideal for every possible layout.
There are 4 types of plates, 2 types of PCB, 3 types of top case layout. That's best we can do.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:28:45
I want to order three but will I have to pay 3 different shipping prices?

The shipping fee mainly depends on the weight.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: metalliccharles on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:30:19
In for a PC kit, with some questions in the extra details.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:31:37
How soft is the gasket? Does it add significant flex, or is it purely for vibration/sound dampening?

The gaskets are pretty soft, but they are only 1.5mm thin on both sides of the plate. I'd say it's mainly for sound dampening.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:34:44
Is it possible to have more photos of black polycarb?

Edit: Also, could you add an option for ordering extra weight?

Here you go https://imgur.com/a/dzHCKBy

You can write a note in the last question in the form. I thought no one wants extra weights.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:37:08
Do you have a sample of Mao white? That's kind of a surprise finish.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:38:55
Do you have a sample of Mao white? That's kind of a surprise finish.

/u/Peppermint216 posted his MAO Leaf 80 several days ago.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ocnis on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:39:54
+1

Iíd really love to have stepped caps and full backspace on WKL too. The universal plate just looks too funky

I didn't even notice that... Yeah... Need stepped caps and full backspace for wkl.
Can we at least get stepped caps lock for the WKL plate? :(
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: TheArcticFox_27 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:44:12
i wish the wkl plate wasnt split bs only

as you have to get a universal plate for normal bs which isnt ideal

The WKL plate is meant to be used with the hotswap PCB.
Yes, it's not ideal. However, it's not possible to make it ideal for every possible layout.
There are 4 types of plates, 2 types of PCB, 3 types of top case layout. That's best we can do.
I don't think that adding a standard BS and stepped caps option would ruin the plate for the hotswap pcb, i've tested before and it works just fine.
Also, the Tokyo 60 has a stepped cutout
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:47:36
As so many people asked, dedicated WKL plate can be available, but only in black/clear PC.
You can write a note in the last question in the order form and tell me to replace the PC layout to dedicated WKL.

The current "WKL" plate is meant to be used for the hotswap PCB.
The universal plate is a must-have.
The dedicated HHKB plate is requested in the IC.
The ALPS plate is also a must-have.

I can not provide any more options guys LOL
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Sent on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:49:27
Here you go https://imgur.com/a/dzHCKBy

You can write a note in the last question in the form. I thought no one wants extra weights.

Thanks for the extra pics. :thumb:  Thought black PC could be a bit transparent but nope.  Definitely opaque. :blank:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 16 January 2019, 22:54:13
You don't have to provide more options... Just the right ones
As so many people asked, dedicated WKL plate can be available, but only in black/clear PC.
You can write a note in the last question in the order form and tell me to replace the PC layout to dedicated WKL.

The current "WKL" plate is meant to be used for the hotswap PCB.
The universal plate is a must-have.
The dedicated HHKB plate is requested in the IC.
The ALPS plate is also a must-have.

I can not provide any more options guys LOL
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: slxdegrees on Wed, 16 January 2019, 23:16:23
Hey senter, how heavy does the standard kit weigh when assembled? Tried searching both threads but couldn't find an answer.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ian13 on Wed, 16 January 2019, 23:17:32
May we know who will do the shipping?

As we're not running the GB through zFrontier (due to the CNY holiday), we'll do the shipping directly. We'll work with a DHL proxy.
The good thing is, the shipping will be much faster. zFrontier second time QC normally take one week or more.
The bad thing is, we don't have the second time QC this time. We'll do the QC more carefully tho.

Hi, I really wanted to join but a bit concerned regarding shipping to my country. Will you use a door-to-door shipping method like DHL Express or do I have to pick it up in our local post once it arrives? Customs fees and loooong processing time in our country is a bit of a mess, which is why I asked.

I hope you can provide more info on the shipping proxy that you will use. Thanks, Senter! I'm really looking forward to this!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 16 January 2019, 23:40:54
So base kit already includes an aluminum/PC weight?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 16 January 2019, 23:51:24
Is the sandblasted weight/plate raw, or does it have a clear coat?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: yemeisong on Wed, 16 January 2019, 23:53:24
is there another page for people in China?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: gnhuy91 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 00:38:22
Can you provide sample of MAO white? How is it in comparison with E-white?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: bengine on Thu, 17 January 2019, 00:54:30
Will you be putting together an order list spreadsheet?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: spyruf on Thu, 17 January 2019, 01:33:00
So base kit already includes an aluminum/PC weight?
Yes. For $275 (excluding fees and shipping) you can get everything you need to build a keyboard

Can you provide sample of MAO white? How is it in comparison with E-white?
Go look at the initial GB post for the leaf 80 on reddit. Thereís direct comparison pictures. Otherwise thereís a lot of posts of e white and a couple mao on the leaf 80 GH thread and on reddit

Will you be putting together an order list spreadsheet?
I donít think heís done this before so I wouldnít expect one. It would be helpful though.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: bengine on Thu, 17 January 2019, 01:47:04
Can you provide sample of MAO white? How is it in comparison with E-white?

Here's the comparison in Leaf 80 GB: https://imgur.com/5NyCjC6 (https://imgur.com/5NyCjC6). Left is e-White, right is MAO White.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: gnhuy91 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 01:51:21
Can you provide sample of MAO white? How is it in comparison with E-white?

Here's the comparison in Leaf 80 GB: https://imgur.com/5NyCjC6 (https://imgur.com/5NyCjC6). Left is e-White, right is MAO White.
thanks mate, going e white now
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Coolbeanz on Thu, 17 January 2019, 02:07:04
As so many people asked, dedicated WKL plate can be available, but only in black/clear PC.
You can write a note in the last question in the order form and tell me to replace the PC layout to dedicated WKL.

The current "WKL" plate is meant to be used for the hotswap PCB.
The universal plate is a must-have.
The dedicated HHKB plate is requested in the IC.
The ALPS plate is also a must-have.

I can not provide any more options guys LOL

Thank you so much for this compromise!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 17 January 2019, 05:44:02
So base kit already includes an aluminum/PC weight?
Yes. For $275 (excluding fees and shipping) you can get everything you need to build a keyboard

+ stabs, switches, and caps  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Nigolski on Thu, 17 January 2019, 05:50:15
dang this is nice
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: edasaur on Thu, 17 January 2019, 05:53:33
looks fantastic! very tempted to join in.


is there a side - profile view? Thanks!

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:19:52
Is it possible to do an ALPS WKL build?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Keltop on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:22:29
Is the Universal PCB soldered or not?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: slxdegrees on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:25:49
Is the Universal PCB soldered or not?
No.

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: slxdegrees on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:26:48
Is it possible to do an ALPS WKL build?
Yes.

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: rope on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:27:35
pm'ed for brass kit!  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:32:03
Is it possible to do an ALPS WKL build?
Yes.

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Great, I assume I'd just specify a WKL top and then the alps plate and pcb?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: slxdegrees on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:36:13
Is it possible to do an ALPS WKL build?
Yes.

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Great, I assume I'd just specify a WKL top and then the alps plate and pcb?
Please read thru the thread wrt the wkl plate. There is something you should probably take note of.

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:39:46
Is it possible to do an ALPS WKL build?
Yes.

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Great, I assume I'd just specify a WKL top and then the alps plate and pcb?
Please read thru the thread wrt the wkl  plate. There is something you should probably take note of.

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Oh I saw that about the backspace but I assume I can't use the WKL plate with alps anyway due to different cutouts? I would need to use the alps plate and pcb and just leave a gap on the winkeys?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Keltop on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:40:25
Is the Universal PCB soldered or not?
No.

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What about  the Hot swappable?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: slxdegrees on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:41:25
Is the Universal PCB soldered or not?
No.

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What about  the Hot swappable?
Yes. The hotswap sockets are soldered.

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 17 January 2019, 06:55:02
Wait just to clarify, you will offer the PC plate in dedicated WKL layout? (without the cutout for the winkey?)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: hq on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:35:37
Looks awesome!   :thumb:

but...cries in ISO  :(
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: mdlt97 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 07:50:05
can we see this dedicated wkl plate because imo a dedicated wkl plate should have been the plate you picked originally since like its the proper plate
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: o3okevin on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:20:09
As per Senter, the dedicated WKL plate he mentioned above will have:

PC plates only
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 17 January 2019, 08:38:47
The alps plate should omit the winkey opening as well.  Please consider  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: eagleheardt on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:15:15
purchased e-black case with brass plate and brass weight!!

I really want the numpad friend to have 24 keys eventually, but I'll be patient and wait till everything is final and try to add what I can.

SOOOO hype for this one!

Is this... endgame?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: fireworm on Thu, 17 January 2019, 10:32:19
purchased e-black case with brass plate and brass weight!!

I really want the numpad friend to have 24 keys eventually, but I'll be patient and wait till everything is final and try to add what I can.

SOOOO hype for this one!

Is this... endgame?
It's an endgame. Until you want to play again.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: -musubi on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:44:08
Will the original WKL plate still retain the cutouts (as shown in the image) that would be under the blockers as well? Itíd be nice for PC cases to have it closed like the HHKB plate since itís transparent.

Same with the ďnewĒ dedicated WKL PC plates, if you can share the design of that as well that would be great. Thanks


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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ejewell89 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:44:56
in for poly
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: slxdegrees on Thu, 17 January 2019, 12:20:15
Has anyone been invoiced yet?

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 12:27:06
Just placed my order.  Will there be a follow up with the details of the order to make sure we got it all in right?

As so many people asked, dedicated WKL plate can be available, but only in black/clear PC.
You can write a note in the last question in the order form and tell me to replace the PC layout to dedicated WKL.

The current "WKL" plate is meant to be used for the hotswap PCB.
The universal plate is a must-have.
The dedicated HHKB plate is requested in the IC.
The ALPS plate is also a must-have.

I can not provide any more options guys LOL
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 17 January 2019, 12:27:55
Not possible to have regular caps for dedicated WKL plate?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Unforgivable on Thu, 17 January 2019, 12:59:20
Looking at the Alps Plate, it seems Iíll be able to use this with AEK II keycaps, correct? No need for a 7u spacebar, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Lormania on Thu, 17 January 2019, 13:18:12
Are changes allowed after submitted order? I want to go ahead and place my order
You get two pms to him from reading the op.

I'm super excited for the alps support. Finally a nice case for alps!

My thoughts exactly! What setup are you planning? I hear polycarb makes boards sound better so pairing alps with that could be a good combo. I am between the PC and E-White.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: fireworm on Thu, 17 January 2019, 13:32:25
Are changes allowed after submitted order? I want to go ahead and place my order
You get two pms to him from reading the op.

I'm super excited for the alps support. Finally a nice case for alps!

My thoughts exactly! What setup are you planning? I hear polycarb makes boards sound better so pairing alps with that could be a good combo. I am between the PC and E-White.

I'm pretty sure I'll be buying two (pc alps and brass mx), plus another alps brass plate + pcb.  Zealio V2's are quite nice, and I'm a sucker for Split Space.  Still waffling though.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 13:59:26

Hi, I really wanted to join but a bit concerned regarding shipping to my country. Will you use a door-to-door shipping method like DHL Express or do I have to pick it up in our local post once it arrives? Customs fees and loooong processing time in our country is a bit of a mess, which is why I asked.

I hope you can provide more info on the shipping proxy that you will use. Thanks, Senter! I'm really looking forward to this!

Yes, I'll use DHL Express, not the local DHL tho. Hongkong DHL is cheaper than in mainland China. All the packages will be shipped to a Hongkong DHL proxy. Then the proxy will distribute the packages to every country.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:00:11
Is the sandblasted weight/plate raw, or does it have a clear coat?

Sandblasted brass parts are raw.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:00:58
is there another page for people in China?

Chinese buy just ended.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:03:04
Will you be putting together an order list spreadsheet?

The order information will be included in the invoice.
I think it's not necessary to display everyone's ID and options in public.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:08:02
is there a side - profile view? Thanks!

Quickly check my phone album and didn't find one. Here's (https://i.imgur.com/j4HnoqX.jpg) a side view of Leaf 80 prototype I shared before. Leaf 60 is pretty much the same.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:09:51
Wait just to clarify, you will offer the PC plate in dedicated WKL layout? (without the cutout for the winkey?)

You didn't hear me wrong. No cutouts for WK, stepped/non-stepped capslock, 2u BS.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:17:15
The alps plate should omit the winkey opening as well.  Please consider  :thumb:

With WK cutouts: no problem on alu/opaque cases, having the opportunity to use win keys.

Without WK cutouts: not ideal for clear cases if you don't use win keys.

Hard decision
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:19:53
Will the original WKL plate still retain the cutouts (as shown in the image) that would be under the blockers as well?

The original plate will stay as is. Yep, I will post the new plate's pic later on.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:20:10
Singa plates are pretty open on the bottom row. The WKL PC looks fine. I think that the plates for this run have been a little over thought.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:23:26
Has anyone been invoiced yet?

No worries. It hasn't been started yet.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:25:05
Singa plates are pretty open on the bottom row. The WKL PC looks fine. I think that the plates for this run have been a little over thought.

the less open space in plates the better tbh

the more open space there is in the bottom row, the more prone plate mount switches will be to twisting, which is more annoying than thinking for 45 seconds about what layout you're gonna build your board in
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:26:19
Looking at the Alps Plate, it seems Iíll be able to use this with AEK II keycaps, correct? No need for a 7u spacebar, right?

I don't think 6.5u spacebar will work.
AEK caps work best on curved top cases like on Lunar.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:30:07
What I'm saying is that a tweaked version of this plate could've been offered... Delete ISO and make sure it has 2u/split bs and normal/stepped caps. Even if the squares are open behind the corner/wkl blockers, it will still look fine (like Singa). No need for all these other VERY specific plates.
Singa plates are pretty open on the bottom row. The WKL PC looks fine. I think that the plates for this run have been a little over thought.

the less open space in plates the better tbh

the more open space there is in the bottom row, the more prone plate mount switches will be to twisting, which is more annoying than thinking for 45 seconds about what layout you're gonna build your board in
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:30:55
Forgot to post the plate lol(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/00c6093f8c5c6480d5684422332fe8f2.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:35:50
Forgot to post the plate lol
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/00c6093f8c5c6480d5684422332fe8f2.jpg)


this is the most actively normal plate i have ever seen and i do not understand your gripe

although i do agree with delete iso
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:36:59
Forgot to post the plate lol
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/00c6093f8c5c6480d5684422332fe8f2.jpg)


this is the most actively normal plate i have ever seen and i do not understand your gripe

although i do agree with delete iso
Are you paying attention? This isn't the plate being offered in the GB.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:38:48
Forgot to post the plate lol
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/00c6093f8c5c6480d5684422332fe8f2.jpg)


this is the most actively normal plate i have ever seen and i do not understand your gripe

although i do agree with delete iso
Are you paying attention? This isn't the plate being offered in the GB.

there are different plate offerings because the holes look weird under PC

i thought that image was from the OP

senter has run his share of GBs and i trust him to handle sorting all the wacky plates

this is basically a non-issue
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:47:15
I feel much better about it now that you've spoken. Thank you so much for involving yourself.
Forgot to post the plate lol
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/00c6093f8c5c6480d5684422332fe8f2.jpg)


this is the most actively normal plate i have ever seen and i do not understand your gripe

although i do agree with delete iso
Are you paying attention? This isn't the plate being offered in the GB.

there are different plate offerings because the holes look weird under PC

i thought that image was from the OP

senter has run his share of GBs and i trust him to handle sorting all the wacky plates

this is basically a non-issue
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 17 January 2019, 14:54:25
The universal plate will work with the hotswap PCB if we want to use it for a full layout, right? It says HHKB/WKL but I would want the full layout.

(https://i.imgur.com/4710nQ9.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: dubious on Thu, 17 January 2019, 15:01:10
I would totally pick one up if the timing was different. GL with GB, and nice board  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: up-in on Thu, 17 January 2019, 15:05:49
is it worth it to upgrade the brass plate into PVD coated? Is that just for look or are there any other advantages?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 15:10:46
It will be more resistant to tarnishing. Raw brass tends to leave fingerprints from the oils in your hands that don't really wipe off.
is it worth it to upgrade the brass plate into PVD coated? Is that just for look or are there any other advantages?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: mikenogo on Thu, 17 January 2019, 15:19:02
It will be more resistant to tarnishing. Raw brass tends to leave fingerprints from the oils in your hands that don't really wipe off.
is it worth it to upgrade the brass plate into PVD coated? Is that just for look or are there any other advantages?

I find this very annoying for one of my brass sandblasted plates that I purchased off someone else.. It looks nice but the tarnishing it just annoying especially when they're not my fingerprints. Anyways do you know what you use to clean them off and get them refinished?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: MTXjunkie on Thu, 17 January 2019, 15:20:25
It will be more resistant to tarnishing. Raw brass tends to leave fingerprints from the oils in your hands that don't really wipe off.
is it worth it to upgrade the brass plate into PVD coated? Is that just for look or are there any other advantages?

I find this very annoying for one of my brass sandblasted plates that I purchased off someone else.. It looks nice but the tarnishing it just annoying especially when they're not my fingerprints. Anyways do you know what you use to clean them off and get them refinished?

Ketchup or brasso and a lot of elbow grease.


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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Rorkish on Thu, 17 January 2019, 17:33:31
Could someone clarify whether the ALPS plate is available in materials other than PC?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: fireworm on Thu, 17 January 2019, 17:40:59
Could someone clarify whether the ALPS plate is available in materials other than PC?

ALPS plate is in all materials.

The WKL plate has a special version where the WKL holes are removed, in PC only.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 17 January 2019, 17:53:54
Uhh i think i want to change my order. Do i just pm? Or can i request my old order to be cancelled and i make a new one?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: TheArcticFox_27 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 18:42:06
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: eagleheardt on Thu, 17 January 2019, 19:14:34
probably dumb question:

the e-black case - that's made of aluminum, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 19:19:14
This
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: mnpq.raven on Thu, 17 January 2019, 19:23:47
probably dumb question:

the e-black case - that's made of aluminum, right?
yes
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: yemeisong on Thu, 17 January 2019, 19:25:07
is there another page for people in China?

Chinese buy just ended.
but I can still order to China right?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Unforgivable on Thu, 17 January 2019, 19:42:16
Any chance I made it to the top 10 for the full PVD Brass board, Senter? I was just curious. :[
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: reidd on Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:05:46
This
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

yaaaa
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Aevyn on Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:10:10
Are all those options supposed to be there for the weight? I'm having a hard time imagining a clear PC weight.

EDIT: After reading again, I'm assuming these are for the leaf shape accessory/logo on the bottom?

EDIT2: If you can get the whole weight in clear PC, do you have a render or photo of a completely clear PC build? (case, plate, weight, leaf accessory). Just trying to imagine what it would look like.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:21:49
Uhh i think i want to change my order. Do i just pm? Or can i request my old order to be cancelled and i make a new one?

Also interested on how to change order

Also, does Fox Labs have a discord?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:54:07
It's in the order link...
Uhh i think i want to change my order. Do i just pm? Or can i request my old order to be cancelled and i make a new one?

Also interested on how to change order

Also, does Fox Labs have a discord?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ian13 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 23:11:05

Hi, I really wanted to join but a bit concerned regarding shipping to my country. Will you use a door-to-door shipping method like DHL Express or do I have to pick it up in our local post once it arrives? Customs fees and loooong processing time in our country is a bit of a mess, which is why I asked.

I hope you can provide more info on the shipping proxy that you will use. Thanks, Senter! I'm really looking forward to this!

Yes, I'll use DHL Express, not the local DHL tho. Hongkong DHL is cheaper than in mainland China. All the packages will be shipped to a Hongkong DHL proxy. Then the proxy will distribute the packages to every country.

Thank you for the clarification, Senter! Will finalize the choices then place my order later. GL on this GB!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: kialios on Fri, 18 January 2019, 00:25:00
pc+1
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: up-in on Fri, 18 January 2019, 01:51:28
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

yeah, too bad that i really want to get PVD coated brass plate, with the high price, i just pick the normal brass.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: meiosis on Fri, 18 January 2019, 02:28:41
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

yeah, too bad that i really want to get PVD coated brass plate, with the high price, i just pick the normal brass.
I think it's for a whole extra one

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: blizzara01 on Fri, 18 January 2019, 03:44:23
I hope we have samples of aluminum/PC bottom leaf shape accessory
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: georgethehuman on Fri, 18 January 2019, 03:44:34
is the weight in the order the form the material of the leaf accessory for the back or are they separate pieces?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Fri, 18 January 2019, 08:17:05
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

yeah, too bad that i really want to get PVD coated brass plate, with the high price, i just pick the normal brass.
I think it's for a whole extra one

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There's an upgrade price and an extra price. The extra price seems reasonable... The upgrade price does not, seeing as your giving up the base versions.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: etong415 on Fri, 18 January 2019, 08:32:24
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

yeah, too bad that i really want to get PVD coated brass plate, with the high price, i just pick the normal brass.
I think it's for a whole extra one

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There's an upgrade price and an extra price. The extra price seems reasonable... The upgrade price does not, seeing as your giving up the base versions.
Agree, I followed this through IC, and didnít expect a brass plate+weight to cost so much more than the base kit.


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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Fri, 18 January 2019, 08:36:20
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

I would like to echo this sentiment.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: thearctican on Fri, 18 January 2019, 09:22:10
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

I would like to echo this sentiment.
Agreed.

Filled out the order with a black plate and unfinished brass weight. Looks good guys.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: tiydal on Fri, 18 January 2019, 09:24:38
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

I would like to echo this sentiment.

Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

yeah, too bad that i really want to get PVD coated brass plate, with the high price, i just pick the normal brass.
I think it's for a whole extra one

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There's an upgrade price and an extra price. The extra price seems reasonable... The upgrade price does not, seeing as your giving up the base versions.
Agree, I followed this through IC, and didnít expect a brass plate+weight to cost so much more than the base kit.


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Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

I would like to echo this sentiment.
Agreed.

Filled out the order with a black plate and unfinished brass weight. Looks good guys.

Agreed also, its the reason I havent submitted yet.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: JohnWest on Fri, 18 January 2019, 11:16:08
In for two, can't wait! :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: pcire on Fri, 18 January 2019, 11:25:42
Isn't the prices for a brass plate and weight a bit high?
Brass plate upgrade usually goes for $10-12, $37 is pretty high

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Fri, 18 January 2019, 11:34:46
 :I feel the same way fwiw. I still put in an order but didn't upgrade the plate like I usually would.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: mog_genius88 on Fri, 18 January 2019, 12:15:08
:I feel the same way fwiw. I still put in an order but didn't upgrade the plate like I usually would.

I was kinda ok with the plate. It at least serves a function and is in line with how much brass plates nornally cost. Still a little disappointing but fair imo

The brass weight on the other hand....
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 18 January 2019, 12:15:45
For what it's worth, here's my take on the plate and weight pricing - I don't feel $50~ extra for a PVD brass plate upgrade is too out of the ordinary, considering there are several options being offered rather than just the one plate for every layout (as is with most TKLs or 65%, etc) I can understand that the cost may be justifiable and I have seen similar situations with other very successful GBs.

That said, at just like 7-10 bucks extra for the plate and weight respectively to just get an extra on top of your already included versions, that's a disproportionately attractive deal in my opinion. If the prices remain as is, there's no real reason to flat out replace your standard options, rather just get a set of extras for like $15 together with an extra PCB if you're worried about it being proprietary and not being readily available if something does happen to your other one.

PS: the weight is expensive either way you go about it however, but without knowing how the machining etc works I'd rather not comment/complain.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Fri, 18 January 2019, 13:59:12
The machining on the weight is happening whether it's brass or aluminum. That being said, I would say that the size and complexity does justify a little price increase. If you look at it from a "credit" stand point, though, you're hardly getting anything back for omitting the base aluminum during the upgrade. The plate is a different story. There isn't anything special about it to garner that high of an upgrade cost. It's very obvious that higher margins are being made on the upgrades and it's trying to motivate us (the customer) to by extras instead. I've already placed my order with both upgrades, but I'm definitely going to to be down grading, because I don't see the value of the current cost/brass ratio.
For what it's worth, here's my take on the plate and weight pricing - I don't feel $50~ extra for a PVD brass plate upgrade is too out of the ordinary, considering there are several options being offered rather than just the one plate for every layout (as is with most TKLs or 65%, etc) I can understand that the cost may be justifiable and I have seen similar situations with other very successful GBs.

That said, at just like 7-10 bucks extra for the plate and weight respectively to just get an extra on top of your already included versions, that's a disproportionately attractive deal in my opinion. If the prices remain as is, there's no real reason to flat out replace your standard options, rather just get a set of extras for like $15 together with an extra PCB if you're worried about it being proprietary and not being readily available if something does happen to your other one.

PS: the weight is expensive either way you go about it however, but without knowing how the machining etc works I'd rather not comment/complain.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:35:28
Uhh i think i want to change my order. Do i just pm? Or can i request my old order to be cancelled and i make a new one?

Just feel free to PM
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:37:50
but I can still order to China right?

This is a little tricky but yes.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: -musubi on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:38:23
Just out of curiosity, can the hotswap pcb be tweaked in a way to fit 2u backspace (via desoldering), or are the switch holes completely fixed in the specified pattern in the image? Sorry not very familiar with hotswap pcbs at all.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:43:50
Are all those options supposed to be there for the weight? I'm having a hard time imagining a clear PC weight.

EDIT: After reading again, I'm assuming these are for the leaf shape accessory/logo on the bottom?

EDIT2: If you can get the whole weight in clear PC, do you have a render or photo of a completely clear PC build? (case, plate, weight, leaf accessory). Just trying to imagine what it would look like.

Yes. We call it weight but it's basically not. I know it's a little bit confusing. You got the idea.
I don't have a full clear PC build. I have a full opaque white PC prototype tho. My suggestion is to match the brass weight with the PC case unless you want a travel board.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:46:14
is the weight in the order the form the material of the leaf accessory for the back or are they separate pieces?

a whole one
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:04:04
A response to the brass weight/plate upgrade prices:

Several ppl pointed out the price for upgrading alu to brass is expensive. The price for extra brass parts is much more reasonable.
That's true. Now let me explain why.
You know we're offering tons of options to customize. 3 top layouts, 5 plate layouts, 3 materials, 5 finishes.
For several combinations, there might be just several boards will be made.
On the other side, you may have heard some big factories are not willing to accept small orders.
Our order is the worst kind that the factory wants to accept.
Maintaining a good relationship with the engineers and making them cooperative is the most important thing to make the GB smooth.
So when we order the boards, we get quotes for all aluminum kits + extra parts.
That means no matter you buy the aluminum plate or not, the plate will be made, and they cost money.
This is not the single case for Leaf 60. It's the same for all the previous Fox Lab GBs. After every GB we will have many leftover plates/weights.
That's a part of the reason that we can run smooth GBs. The downside is the price for upgrading is expensive.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Gati on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:06:08
Iím not trying to call you out or anything, but isnít it standard for vendors to eat the PP fee instead of making the consumer pay for it? (Or have I been making too many non-keyboard purchases? :p)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: MTXjunkie on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:06:42
A response to the brass weight/plate upgrade prices:

Several ppl pointed out the price for upgrading alu to brass is expensive. The price for extra brass parts is much more reasonable.
That's true. Now let me explain why.
You know we're offering tons of options to customize. 3 top layouts, 5 plate layouts, 3 materials, 5 finishes.
For several combinations, there might be just several boards will be made.
On the other side, you may have heard some big factories are not willing to accept small orders.
Our order is the worst kind that the factory wants to accept.
Maintaining a good relationship with the engineers and making them cooperative is the most important thing to make the GB smooth.
So when we order the boards, we get quotes for all aluminum kits + extra parts.
That means no matter you buy the aluminum plate or not, the plate will be made, and they cost money.
This is not the single case for Leaf 60. It's the same for all the previous Fox Lab GBs. After every GB we will have many leftover plates/weights.
That's a part of the reason that we can run smooth GBs. The downside is the price for upgrading is expensive.

So if we buy the base option just to secure a board during the preorder, we can always go back (within a reasonable amount of time) after the GB and buy the upgrades?


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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: -musubi on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:11:03
Iím not trying to call you out or anything, but isnít it standard for vendors to eat the PP fee instead of making the consumer pay for it? (Or have I been making too many non-keyboard purchases? :p)

Every keyboard GB Iíve been a part of requires PP sales on the buyer so I donít think itís weird. Feels more intimate :)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:15:49
Iím not trying to call you out or anything, but isnít it standard for vendors to eat the PP fee instead of making the consumer pay for it? (Or have I been making too many non-keyboard purchases? :p)

It's not standard for custom keyboard GBs.
The PP fee is the cost that the buyers will pay anyhow.
It's just a matter how I declare the price. In the IC post I said $275 excluding PP fee or $290 with fee included to clarify.
Does it really matter for the buyers?
Sure I can mark the price as $290. However, in that case, some people don't even read and think it's without PP fee included.
As most GB runners still declare prices excluding PP fee. I just follow.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:17:05

So if we buy the base option just to secure a board during the preorder, we can always go back (within a reasonable amount of time) after the GB and buy the upgrades?


Yes, there will be leftover parts for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: MTXjunkie on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:18:40

So if we buy the base option just to secure a board during the preorder, we can always go back (within a reasonable amount of time) after the GB and buy the upgrades?


Yes, there will be leftover parts for sure.

Hmmmmmm....You may have just sold another board, sir.


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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: juaninamilli on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:26:38
I read this as there will be extra Aluminum parts.

So if we buy the base option just to secure a board during the preorder, we can always go back (within a reasonable amount of time) after the GB and buy the upgrades?


Yes, there will be leftover parts for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:31:10
You mentioned that you will use a DHL Proxy for shipping, what does that mean exactly?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ChickenBear on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:45:09
Do we get a confirmation email or details regarding the order after we submit the form?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:51:31
You mentioned that you will use a DHL Proxy for shipping, what does that mean exactly?

Just means it goes from factory -> Hong Kong -> Hong Kong DHL to your door.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:58:38
I'm still not sure about the Alps plate.  I'm wanting to build a WKL alps board in PC with a brass plate. I'm planning to use some OmniKey caps (WLK).  Will there be an Alps WKL plate in brass that does not have a hole cut out under the blocker that will support:

1.5u (blocker) 1.5u, 7u, 1.5u (blocker) 1.5u?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: Ball-o-tron on Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:15:16
That means no matter you buy the aluminum plate or not, the plate will be made, and they cost money.
This is not the single case for Leaf 60. It's the same for all the previous Fox Lab GBs. After every GB we will have many leftover plates/weights.

The way you described it, it seems like the "extra" stock has already been paid for by the participants, but since they paid for an "upgrade," they don't get the initial aluminum plate they paid for? Shouldn't they get both in that case?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:28:38
That means no matter you buy the aluminum plate or not, the plate will be made, and they cost money.
This is not the single case for Leaf 60. It's the same for all the previous Fox Lab GBs. After every GB we will have many leftover plates/weights.

The way you described it, it seems like the "extra" stock has already been paid for by the participants, but since they paid for an "upgrade," they don't get the initial aluminum plate they paid for? Shouldn't they get both in that case?

There's margin in all these things, but see it more as he's paying for the plates out of his pocket until someone buys them.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: senter on Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:59:46
That means no matter you buy the aluminum plate or not, the plate will be made, and they cost money.
This is not the single case for Leaf 60. It's the same for all the previous Fox Lab GBs. After every GB we will have many leftover plates/weights.

The way you described it, it seems like the "extra" stock has already been paid for by the participants, but since they paid for an "upgrade," they don't get the initial aluminum plate they paid for? Shouldn't they get both in that case?

You can get both if you want to pay a little bit more. The price difference between upgrade and extra is not large.
There are people only want to use brass plates. They can save several bucks if they upgrade.
I'm being as transparent as I can. You can decide which option is best for you.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: finalarcadia on Fri, 18 January 2019, 17:28:28
Are all brass kits accounted for? Would like to know if I need to make a 2nd order for 2nd board or not.

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Fri, 18 January 2019, 18:07:26
Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: fireworm on Fri, 18 January 2019, 18:13:25
Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?

I believe it is compatible with both WKL and HHKB cases, since it is a 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom row.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: pcire on Fri, 18 January 2019, 18:20:18
Do you have a picture of the clear PC with aluminum plate & weight/leaf?
I'm afraid I can't afford the brass that I want so much, but I might be able to get the standard kit.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: dado brat on Fri, 18 January 2019, 18:51:53
So a split space configuration would be possible with standard PCB and standard plate right?

Does the PCB run on QMK?

Also I couldn't find info on the angle of the case, could someone clarify?

This looks really exciting :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Fri, 18 January 2019, 19:05:46
So a split space configuration would be possible with standard PCB and standard plate right?


Does the PCB run on QMK?


This uses a custom PCB with the usb port in the middle, so standard PCBs won't work.


Yes, it uses QMK


From the IC:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
Post by: dado brat on Fri, 18 January 2019, 19:22:15
So a split space configuration would be possible with standard PCB and standard plate right?


Does the PCB run on QMK?


This uses a custom PCB with the usb port in the middle, so standard PCBs won't work.


Yes, it uses QMK


From the IC:
    • Two versions of proprietary PCBs with middle USB ports. The first version supports variants of MX layouts and WKL ALPS layout. The second version supports hotswap and dedicated HHKB/WKL layout. Both are USB C + QMK

    Thanks for the quick clarification. I should have specified my questions more. I meant to ask if the split space is possible if I opt for the standard layout plate and non-hotswap version of the PCB offered in this GB.[/list]
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: Lazylewis on Fri, 18 January 2019, 20:41:15
    What do I have to order to build the HHKB in the first photo?  I use a HHKB2 and this looks like an awesome board to be it's companion.
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: dantambok on Fri, 18 January 2019, 20:55:46
    Pmed for order changes  :D
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: iamsuperstarr on Fri, 18 January 2019, 20:57:17
    I love the PC design but I'm a bit worried about it potentially yellowing over time. Would there be a way to prevent this or maybe even fix it if it does turn yellow?
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: Iredeus on Fri, 18 January 2019, 21:32:16
    I love the PC design but I'm a bit worried about it potentially yellowing over time. Would there be a way to prevent this or maybe even fix it if it does turn yellow?

    Keep it out of sunlight
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: eagleheardt on Fri, 18 January 2019, 22:45:25
    What LEDs would you recommend for this board?
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 18 January 2019, 23:04:11
    How can we check what we ordered?

    I want to order another and want to make sure I donít get the same config :x
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: ian13 on Fri, 18 January 2019, 23:32:34
    Hmm.. Purple plate/weight on clear polycarbonate case would look good on GMK Taro and HFO, I suppose!

    It's also interesting how PC case will sound on gasket-mount PC plate. Damn, so many options it's so hard to decide! Lol.
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: Lormania on Sat, 19 January 2019, 00:39:07
    Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?

    I also want to make sure this is true before I purchase. I would love to get the HHKB top version of the Leaf60 and have an Alps HHKB build!  My understanding is to order the HHKB top version, alps plate, and alps pcb and I would be all good. Apologies if this is obvious but I am a little confused.
    Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
    Post by: JohnWest on Sat, 19 January 2019, 05:54:42
    So a split space configuration would be possible with standard PCB and standard plate right?


    Does the PCB run on QMK?


    This uses a custom PCB with the usb port in the middle, so standard PCBs won't work.


    Yes, it uses QMK


    From the IC:
      • Two versions of proprietary PCBs with middle USB ports. The first version supports variants of MX layouts and WKL ALPS layout. The second version supports hotswap and dedicated HHKB/WKL layout. Both are USB C + QMK

      Thanks for the quick clarification. I should have specified my questions more. I meant to ask if the split space is possible if I opt for the standard layout plate and non-hotswap version of the PCB offered in this GB.[/list]

      Yes, that seems right. From the looks of it, split space can only be achieved using the universal plate with the universal PCB.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: JohnWest on Sat, 19 January 2019, 06:04:53
      What do I have to order to build the HHKB in the first photo?  I use a HHKB2 and this looks like an awesome board to be it's companion.

      Clear PC Case (HHKB layout)
      PVD Brass Plate (Universal layout)
      Universal PCB
      PVD Brass Weight
      (+ GMK Serika keyset from somewhere else!)

      Note that if you currently use a HHKB you will be used to split backspace, which the board in that photo lacks. You can still achieve this with the universal PCB and plate, but you could substitute the PCB and/or the plate for their HHKB-specific counterparts. The HHKB PCB is hotswap let, and the HHKB plate would mean the plate wouldn't have a hole where the corner blockers are.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: JohnWest on Sat, 19 January 2019, 06:21:02
      Senter, I just wanted to piss in your pocket for a minute and tell you that I appreciate the frequent and comprehensive communication in this IC and GB. I also love your desire to keep experimenting with different things and your willingness to accommodate as many different needs as possible. I've only heard good things about the leaf80 - I'm really looking forward to this one :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: kiandelmundo on Sat, 19 January 2019, 10:08:11
      Iím in! Is there a discord server we can join? Thanks!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: tootle on Sat, 19 January 2019, 10:49:55
      In for an HHKB style Leaf 60 :) Can't wait!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: dantambok on Sat, 19 January 2019, 12:26:19
      Hi Senter,

      I sent a PM to change my order but i got an invoice for the old order, not the new one. :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: heloitsame on Sat, 19 January 2019, 12:46:43
      after the group buy ends, will there be extra pcbs? i might want to pick up one afterwards, but right now i cant justify the extra cost.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Sat, 19 January 2019, 12:59:17
      Hey Senter, just sent a PM.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: eagleheardt on Sat, 19 January 2019, 13:38:48
      E-Black case
      PVD brass universal MX plate
      PVD brass weight

      SUPER HYPED!!!!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ggZyg on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:06:27
      Will the PC dedicated WKL plate only offer split shift and backspace?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: tentboy on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:29:15
      I cant remember if its been mentioned, does the pcb have underglow?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: mmontess on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:45:55
      I cant remember if its been mentioned, does the pcb have underglow?
      It does not
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:50:30
      Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?

      Yes

      Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?

      I also want to make sure this is true before I purchase. I would love to get the HHKB top version of the Leaf60 and have an Alps HHKB build!  My understanding is to order the HHKB top version, alps plate, and alps pcb and I would be all good. Apologies if this is obvious but I am a little confused.

      Your understanding is correct.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:56:54
      Do you have a picture of the clear PC with aluminum plate & weight/leaf?
      I'm afraid I can't afford the brass that I want so much, but I might be able to get the standard kit.

      No.
      There are photos for PC case with brass plate/weight. The board will look about the same with alu plate/weight.
      Brass plate and weight are more for the weight, not the look.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:58:28
      I meant to ask if the split space is possible if I opt for the standard layout plate and non-hotswap version of the PCB offered in this GB.[/list]

      Universal PCB + Universal plate is for the split spacebar layout.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 19 January 2019, 15:01:24
      What LEDs would you recommend for this board?

      I recommend no LEDs for switches.
      If you order a clear PC case, I'd recommend RGB LED strips for underglow.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 19 January 2019, 15:03:00
      How can we check what we ordered?

      I want to order another and want to make sure I donít get the same config :x

      The brief order info will be included in the invoice. You can also PM me for details.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 19 January 2019, 15:06:47
      Hi Senter,

      I sent a PM to change my order but i got an invoice for the old order, not the new one. :)

      Hi dantambok. I didn't receive your PM. I just asked you through PM.

      BTW, for everyone, I've replied all the PMs that requested for changes. Please PM me if you asked and didn't get a reply.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 19 January 2019, 15:10:58
      after the group buy ends, will there be extra pcbs? i might want to pick up one afterwards, but right now i cant justify the extra cost.

      Yes.
      Even after extra PCBs are all be taken, they can be made for every 10 PCBs minimum in one batch.
      Same for all Fox Lab board PCBs. 
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: heloitsame on Sat, 19 January 2019, 16:09:13
      after the group buy ends, will there be extra pcbs? i might want to pick up one afterwards, but right now i cant justify the extra cost.

      Yes.
      Even after extra PCBs are all be taken, they can be made for every 10 PCBs minimum in one batch.
      Same for all Fox Lab board PCBs.

      thanks for the quick reply! ill be PMing to clarify my order because i now realized i forgot to put something at the bottom.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: dantambok on Sat, 19 January 2019, 17:59:45
      Replied for the changes. Thank you Senter!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Lazylewis on Sat, 19 January 2019, 18:03:17
      What do I have to order to build the HHKB in the first photo?  I use a HHKB2 and this looks like an awesome board to be it's companion.

      Clear PC Case (HHKB layout)
      PVD Brass Plate (Universal layout)
      Universal PCB
      PVD Brass Weight
      (+ GMK Serika keyset from somewhere else!)

      Note that if you currently use a HHKB you will be used to split backspace, which the board in that photo lacks. You can still achieve this with the universal PCB and plate, but you could substitute the PCB and/or the plate for their HHKB-specific counterparts. The HHKB PCB is hotswap let, and the HHKB plate would mean the plate wouldn't have a hole where the corner blockers are.

      Thanks for you help. I ordered the Clear PC case, brass hhkb plate and brass weight, HHKB PCB (hot swappable). 

      Am I correct in thinking that as it's hot swappable no soldering will be required during assembly?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: dado brat on Sat, 19 January 2019, 18:09:09
      I assume the yellow option is the same as for the leaf 80. If so, can someone elaborate on how vibrant the yellow actually is? it looks very gold-ish to me on the pictures and I would love that
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: tootle on Sat, 19 January 2019, 18:39:18
      What do I have to order to build the HHKB in the first photo?  I use a HHKB2 and this looks like an awesome board to be it's companion.

      Clear PC Case (HHKB layout)
      PVD Brass Plate (Universal layout)
      Universal PCB
      PVD Brass Weight
      (+ GMK Serika keyset from somewhere else!)

      Note that if you currently use a HHKB you will be used to split backspace, which the board in that photo lacks. You can still achieve this with the universal PCB and plate, but you could substitute the PCB and/or the plate for their HHKB-specific counterparts. The HHKB PCB is hotswap let, and the HHKB plate would mean the plate wouldn't have a hole where the corner blockers are.

      Thanks for you help. I ordered the Clear PC case, brass hhkb plate and brass weight, HHKB PCB (hot swappable). 

      Am I correct in thinking that as it's hot swappable no soldering will be required during assembly?

      Yeah, you shouldn't have to solder switches in if it's hot swap.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Hyun Cheol Hwang on Sat, 19 January 2019, 18:59:24

      I sent you an email. Please check. :D
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: blizzara01 on Sat, 19 January 2019, 19:08:14
      What do I have to order to build the HHKB in the first photo?  I use a HHKB2 and this looks like an awesome board to be it's companion.

      Clear PC Case (HHKB layout)
      PVD Brass Plate (Universal layout)
      Universal PCB
      PVD Brass Weight
      (+ GMK Serika keyset from somewhere else!)

      Note that if you currently use a HHKB you will be used to split backspace, which the board in that photo lacks. You can still achieve this with the universal PCB and plate, but you could substitute the PCB and/or the plate for their HHKB-specific counterparts. The HHKB PCB is hotswap let, and the HHKB plate would mean the plate wouldn't have a hole where the corner blockers are.

      Thanks for you help. I ordered the Clear PC case, brass hhkb plate and brass weight, HHKB PCB (hot swappable). 

      Am I correct in thinking that as it's hot swappable no soldering will be required during assembly?

      Yeah, you shouldn't have to solder switches in if it's hot swap.
      Is it compatible to all MX/MX clone switches?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: patch on Sat, 19 January 2019, 19:19:08
      hi! bit new to the whole world of "custom and plates"

      I'm looking to order a "future" proof design which involves  compatibility with aftermarket pcbs.

      I'm leaning towards the WKL plate version of the board but will aftermarkets be fine with it, or should I just go with the MX-universal plate for aftermarket pcbs :O
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Sat, 19 January 2019, 19:25:46
      hi! bit new to the whole world of "custom and plates"

      I'm looking to order a "future" proof design which involves  compatibility with aftermarket pcbs.

      I'm leaning towards the WKL plate version of the board but will aftermarkets be fine with it, or should I just go with the MX-universal plate for aftermarket pcbs :O

      You wonít be able to use aftermarket PCBs because this one has a center placed USB port
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: mmontess on Sat, 19 January 2019, 19:49:24
      Not sure if this has been asked, but with the HHKB case/plate, will the spacebar be 6.25u or 7u?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fine_italian_leather on Sat, 19 January 2019, 20:08:52
      Not sure if this has been asked, but with the HHKB case/plate, will the spacebar be 6.25u or 7u?
      7u
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Jkshowman on Sat, 19 January 2019, 22:29:12
      How does this gasket mount compare to something like the meme? How is the typing feel and sound?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: spyruf on Sun, 20 January 2019, 01:57:39
      If I want an alps build am I correct in understanding that a HHKB plate + universal PCB will work.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Sun, 20 January 2019, 01:58:48
      Hey Senter, seeing a build stream tonight of a Leaf80 has me a little concerned. There were lots of switch alignment issues and even caps rubbing on the wkl blockers. The images of the Leaf60 proto looks like the seams around the caps are tight too. Is this something that has been addressed since the 80 group buy?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: pandemic123 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 02:30:02
      Hey Senter, seeing a build stream tonight of a Leaf80 has me a little concerned. There were lots of switch alignment issues and even caps rubbing on the wkl blockers. The images of the Leaf60 proto looks like the seams around the caps are tight too. Is this something that has been addressed since the 80 group buy?


      got a link monkaS
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Sun, 20 January 2019, 02:35:53
      It all starts at 2:10:00 http://www.twitch.tv/taehatypes/v/366670203?sr=a&t=7808s
      Hey Senter, seeing a build stream tonight of a Leaf80 has me a little concerned. There were lots of switch alignment issues and even caps rubbing on the wkl blockers. The images of the Leaf60 proto looks like the seams around the caps are tight too. Is this something that has been addressed since the 80 group buy?


      got a link monkaS
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: sK0pe on Sun, 20 January 2019, 02:45:39
      The E-red samples seems to be quite dark, was this the lighting or will it be a dark red - brown colour?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: rope on Sun, 20 January 2019, 06:22:05
      Hey Senter, seeing a build stream tonight of a Leaf80 has me a little concerned. There were lots of switch alignment issues and even caps rubbing on the wkl blockers. The images of the Leaf60 proto looks like the seams around the caps are tight too. Is this something that has been addressed since the 80 group buy?
      my leaf 80 didn't have any of those issues at all, guy probably either just got super unlucky or maybe something happened during shipping? i wouldn't personally be concerned, i haven't heard anyone else complain about any of these things either
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: sK0pe on Sun, 20 January 2019, 07:52:35
      Anyhow all in on a red Leaf.
      Don't tell my fiancee.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Sun, 20 January 2019, 08:38:52
      Thanks for the info man! Definitely helps restore some confidence.
      Hey Senter, seeing a build stream tonight of a Leaf80 has me a little concerned. There were lots of switch alignment issues and even caps rubbing on the wkl blockers. The images of the Leaf60 proto looks like the seams around the caps are tight too. Is this something that has been addressed since the 80 group buy?
      my leaf 80 didn't have any of those issues at all, guy probably either just got super unlucky or maybe something happened during shipping? i wouldn't personally be concerned, i haven't heard anyone else complain about any of these things either
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sun, 20 January 2019, 09:33:21
      Hey Senter, seeing a build stream tonight of a Leaf80 has me a little concerned. There were lots of switch alignment issues and even caps rubbing on the wkl blockers. The images of the Leaf60 proto looks like the seams around the caps are tight too. Is this something that has been addressed since the 80 group buy?

      I just watched the recording until finish. Seems like there were three issues when Nathan was building the board.

      1. Enter key is a little higher.
      2. Several alpha keys are not aligned.
      3. Left and right Shift keys are a little lower.

      For 1, the issue is gone after Nathan soldered the switch.
      For 2 and 3, I guess some keys were not pressed down completely. Pressing the key while soldering them should fix the problem. That was a custom plate but I didn't find any problems with the plate file.

      update: Saru confirmed what I said.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sun, 20 January 2019, 10:24:39

      Is it compatible to all MX/MX clone switches?

      Yes
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sun, 20 January 2019, 10:25:57
      If I want an alps build am I correct in understanding that a HHKB plate + universal PCB will work.

      No. You should pick ALPS plate + universal PCB
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: spyruf on Sun, 20 January 2019, 11:46:39
      If I want an alps build am I correct in understanding that a HHKB plate + universal PCB will work.

      No. You should pick ALPS plate + universal PCB

      got it, thanks for the clarification!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Lormania on Sun, 20 January 2019, 12:59:37
      Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?

      Yes

      Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?

      I also want to make sure this is true before I purchase. I would love to get the HHKB top version of the Leaf60 and have an Alps HHKB build!  My understanding is to order the HHKB top version, alps plate, and alps pcb and I would be all good. Apologies if this is obvious but I am a little confused.

      Your understanding is correct.

      Thank you for letting me know! One last question, I do not see split right shift or the split backspace as an option on the alps pcb and plate. Does this mean that you can have an Alps HHKB build for everything but the split right shift and split backspace or is there a way I am not seeing? Thank you for answering all of our questions in a timely matter!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:13:35
      I am sorry of this have been asked before, didn't find answers in the comments. But the renders show ISO support. Does it have ISO support? Really want to get in of it does :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fireworm on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:15:01
      Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?

      Yes

      Is the Alps plate/pcb compatible with the HHKB Layout case?

      I also want to make sure this is true before I purchase. I would love to get the HHKB top version of the Leaf60 and have an Alps HHKB build!  My understanding is to order the HHKB top version, alps plate, and alps pcb and I would be all good. Apologies if this is obvious but I am a little confused.

      Your understanding is correct.

      Thank you for letting me know! One last question, I do not see split right shift or the split backspace as an option on the alps pcb and plate. Does this mean that you can have an Alps HHKB build for everything but the split right shift and split backspace or is there a way I am not seeing? Thank you for answering all of our questions in a timely matter!
      Right, Alps plate only has exactly layout: ANSI WKL.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: distracteddev on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:20:49
      Definitely getting a PC and brass kit.

      Two questions,

      1. can I use the universal pcb and plate with the HHKB top?
      2. Could a ďstandardĒ 60% pcb and plate be fitted to the case? Asking mainly for the Boardwalk PCB
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: etong415 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:49:32
      PMed for a full PVD version, if spots are available. I understand orders can be changed prior to submitting the form, but can I submit a form for a non-PVD one, in the event that there are no spots available, so I donít miss the GB?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: balduran85 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 15:35:57
      Is there a way to get hotswap pcb, normal backspace and a win key all together? Or at least hotswap with normal backspace? So many possible combination is confusing me and your help will be highly appreciated.

      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fireworm on Sun, 20 January 2019, 16:18:27
      Is there a way to get hotswap pcb, normal backspace and a win key all together? Or at least hotswap with normal backspace? So many possible combination is confusing me and your help will be highly appreciated.
      No, hotswap pcb is only split backspace, from what I see.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: TheMastermind on Sun, 20 January 2019, 16:50:54
      How much does the PC version weigh with the brass plate and weight?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: balduran85 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 18:41:57
      Is there a way to get hotswap pcb, normal backspace and a win key all together? Or at least hotswap with normal backspace? So many possible combination is confusing me and your help will be highly appreciated.
      No, hotswap pcb is only split backspace, from what I see.

      Thank you sir. I guess I will just have to get used to the split backspace as the clear PC casing is irresistable. And come to think of it, I already have Koyu on the way so I would have to get used to split backspace anyway.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: etong415 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 18:43:38
      Is there a way to get hotswap pcb, normal backspace and a win key all together? Or at least hotswap with normal backspace? So many possible combination is confusing me and your help will be highly appreciated.
      No, hotswap pcb is only split backspace, from what I see.

      Thank you sir. I guess I will just have to get used to the split backspace as the clear PC casing is irresistable. And come to think of it, I already have Koyu on the way so I would have to get used to split backspace anyway.
      For what itís worth, i just got a 60% w/ split backspace after using mostly 75% and TKL boards, the switch took about half an hour to get use to, and it feels so much more comfortable to use


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: MMKB on Sun, 20 January 2019, 18:54:06
      Is it possible to have more photos of black polycarb?

      Edit: Also, could you add an option for ordering extra weight?

      Here you go https://imgur.com/a/dzHCKBy

      You can write a note in the last question in the form. I thought no one wants extra weights.

      The potential of building a lightweight -- if that's your thing -- full-polycarbonate keyboard is very interesting. The side curves are beautiful and indeed leaf-like.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fireworm on Sun, 20 January 2019, 18:54:26
      Is there a way to get hotswap pcb, normal backspace and a win key all together? Or at least hotswap with normal backspace? So many possible combination is confusing me and your help will be highly appreciated.
      No, hotswap pcb is only split backspace, from what I see.

      Thank you sir. I guess I will just have to get used to the split backspace as the clear PC casing is irresistable. And come to think of it, I already have Koyu on the way so I would have to get used to split backspace anyway.
      For what itís worth, i just got a 60% w/ split backspace after using mostly 75% and TKL boards, the switch took about half an hour to get use to, and it feels so much more comfortable to use


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      I took a hint from Colemak and put it on the caps lock. Quite nice, imo... Was sad that alps doesn't have split bs though....
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:15:32

      Thank you for letting me know! One last question, I do not see split right shift or the split backspace as an option on the alps pcb and plate. Does this mean that you can have an Alps HHKB build for everything but the split right shift and split backspace or is there a way I am not seeing? Thank you for answering all of our questions in a timely matter!

      ALPS plate and PCB only support what's showing in OP. The PCB should work for split BS and Rshift with a little drilling/wiring but the plate does not.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:16:27
      I am sorry of this have been asked before, didn't find answers in the comments. But the renders show ISO support. Does it have ISO support? Really want to get in of it does :)

      Unfortunately, it does not.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Jkshowman on Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:16:55
      Do you know how much flex this has with the PC plate??
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:18:22
      Definitely getting a PC and brass kit.

      Two questions,

      1. can I use the universal pcb and plate with the HHKB top?
      2. Could a ďstandardĒ 60% pcb and plate be fitted to the case? Asking mainly for the Boardwalk PCB

      1. Yes
      2. No
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: distracteddev on Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:58:09
      Definitely getting a PC and brass kit.

      Two questions,

      1. can I use the universal pcb and plate with the HHKB top?
      2. Could a ďstandardĒ 60% pcb and plate be fitted to the case? Asking mainly for the Boardwalk PCB

      1. Yes
      2. No

      Thanks for the response!  For 1, I would need to use the HHKB bottom row right? I wouldnít be able to get a HHKB case with split spacebar support. Just want to confirm. Thank you!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: balduran85 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 21:30:10
      Sorry for keep asking questions. Should've asked with my previous reply but I got confused again while selecting options in the google form.
      The hotswap PCB is said to be for HHKB/WKL but the picture of the layout shows winkey on it. Does this mean that it can be used for regular layout as well?
      Since the combination I want is [clear PC housing + hotswap PCB + bronze PVD plate + plate holes not showing through the clear PC housing], I guess the only choice I have is to go with regular layout, so I do hope the regular layout is possible for hotswap PCB
       
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fireworm on Sun, 20 January 2019, 21:39:04


      Sorry for keep asking questions. Should've asked with my previous reply but I got confused again while selecting options in the google form.
      The hotswap PCB is said to be for HHKB/WKL but the picture of the layout shows winkey on it. Does this mean that it can be used for regular layout as well?
      Since the combination I want is [clear PC housing + hotswap PCB + bronze PVD plate + plate holes not showing through the clear PC housing], I guess the only choice I have is to go with regular layout, so I do hope the regular layout is possible for hotswap PCB

      The only plate that does not have the winkey cutout is a special one senter added in either black or clear PC.

      Hotswap pcb has only a split backspace, so it is not regular layout.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: balduran85 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 21:44:08


      Sorry for keep asking questions. Should've asked with my previous reply but I got confused again while selecting options in the google form.
      The hotswap PCB is said to be for HHKB/WKL but the picture of the layout shows winkey on it. Does this mean that it can be used for regular layout as well?
      Since the combination I want is [clear PC housing + hotswap PCB + bronze PVD plate + plate holes not showing through the clear PC housing], I guess the only choice I have is to go with regular layout, so I do hope the regular layout is possible for hotswap PCB

      The only plate that does not have the winkey cutout is a special one senter added in either black or clear PC.

      Hotswap pcb has only a split backspace, so it is not regular layout.

      Thank you again sir. However, what I was asking was about was the case layout which I am supposed to choose between Regular layout, WKL layout or HHKB layout in the google form.
      I am curious if I choose Regluar Layout for the case, a hotswappable PCB and Bronze WKL plate, I will be able to build a board with a full bottom row so that there won't be any plate holes showing through the pc case.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fireworm on Sun, 20 January 2019, 21:56:43




      Sorry for keep asking questions. Should've asked with my previous reply but I got confused again while selecting options in the google form.
      The hotswap PCB is said to be for HHKB/WKL but the picture of the layout shows winkey on it. Does this mean that it can be used for regular layout as well?
      Since the combination I want is [clear PC housing + hotswap PCB + bronze PVD plate + plate holes not showing through the clear PC housing], I guess the only choice I have is to go with regular layout, so I do hope the regular layout is possible for hotswap PCB

      The only plate that does not have the winkey cutout is a special one senter added in either black or clear PC.

      Hotswap pcb has only a split backspace, so it is not regular layout.

      Thank you again sir. However, what I was asking was about was the case layout which I am supposed to choose between Regular layout, WKL layout or HHKB layout in the google form.
      I am curious if I choose Regluar Layout for the case, a hotswappable PCB and Bronze WKL plate, I will be able to build a board with a full bottom row so that there won't be any plate holes showing through the pc case.

      OK, yes. I see.

      The WKL pcb / plate bottom row layout is 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5.

      Some folks don't like the 1u keys and want case blockers there, thus the WKL case option (blockers). 

      Some people don't like the 1.5u outside keys and want case blockers there, thus the hhkb case.

      Your choice would use all three 1.5, 1, 1.5 keys (because you don't want to see the holes in the plate through the WKL case block outs).
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: balduran85 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 21:58:59




      Sorry for keep asking questions. Should've asked with my previous reply but I got confused again while selecting options in the google form.
      The hotswap PCB is said to be for HHKB/WKL but the picture of the layout shows winkey on it. Does this mean that it can be used for regular layout as well?
      Since the combination I want is [clear PC housing + hotswap PCB + bronze PVD plate + plate holes not showing through the clear PC housing], I guess the only choice I have is to go with regular layout, so I do hope the regular layout is possible for hotswap PCB

      The only plate that does not have the winkey cutout is a special one senter added in either black or clear PC.

      Hotswap pcb has only a split backspace, so it is not regular layout.

      Thank you again sir. However, what I was asking was about was the case layout which I am supposed to choose between Regular layout, WKL layout or HHKB layout in the google form.
      I am curious if I choose Regluar Layout for the case, a hotswappable PCB and Bronze WKL plate, I will be able to build a board with a full bottom row so that there won't be any plate holes showing through the pc case.

      OK, yes. I see.

      The WKL pcb / plate bottom row layout is 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5.

      Some folks don't like the 1u keys and want case blockers there, thus the WKL case option (blockers). 

      Some people don't like the 1.5u outside keys and want case blockers there, thus the hhkb case.

      Your choice would use all three 1.5, 1, 1.5 keys (because you don't want to see the holes in the plate through the WKL case block outs).

      Thank you very much. I think that clarifies everything and that what I plan to build is possible.
      I guess I will pull the trigger with Regluar Layout case + hotswap PCB + Bronze WKL plate.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: o3okevin on Sun, 20 January 2019, 22:58:45




      Sorry for keep asking questions. Should've asked with my previous reply but I got confused again while selecting options in the google form.
      The hotswap PCB is said to be for HHKB/WKL but the picture of the layout shows winkey on it. Does this mean that it can be used for regular layout as well?
      Since the combination I want is [clear PC housing + hotswap PCB + bronze PVD plate + plate holes not showing through the clear PC housing], I guess the only choice I have is to go with regular layout, so I do hope the regular layout is possible for hotswap PCB

      The only plate that does not have the winkey cutout is a special one senter added in either black or clear PC.

      Hotswap pcb has only a split backspace, so it is not regular layout.

      Thank you again sir. However, what I was asking was about was the case layout which I am supposed to choose between Regular layout, WKL layout or HHKB layout in the google form.
      I am curious if I choose Regluar Layout for the case, a hotswappable PCB and Bronze WKL plate, I will be able to build a board with a full bottom row so that there won't be any plate holes showing through the pc case.

      OK, yes. I see.

      The WKL pcb / plate bottom row layout is 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5.

      Some folks don't like the 1u keys and want case blockers there, thus the WKL case option (blockers). 

      Some people don't like the 1.5u outside keys and want case blockers there, thus the hhkb case.

      Your choice would use all three 1.5, 1, 1.5 keys (because you don't want to see the holes in the plate through the WKL case block outs).

      Thank you very much. I think that clarifies everything and that what I plan to build is possible.
      I guess I will pull the trigger with Regluar Layout case + hotswap PCB + Bronze WKL plate.

      Assuming you mean bronze = rose gold, that colour is only for the full brass version unfortunately. PVD brass plates with pc/aluminum housings will be gold coloured.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Hyun Cheol Hwang on Sun, 20 January 2019, 23:57:42
      I made a second order.
      Please send me an invoice soon. :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: otanishock on Mon, 21 January 2019, 03:26:03
      Does dedicated WKL Polycarb plate support split backspace?

      Edit: I'm assuming the dedicated WKL Plate in Polycarb you mentioned earlier would have this layout?

      [attach=1]
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Jkshowman on Mon, 21 January 2019, 03:52:26
      Joined in for PC WKL Plate, hotswap PCB, WKL MAO White, and Eblack weight! super excited :) hopefully, this yields a flexible board!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: mudcakehoney on Mon, 21 January 2019, 04:16:17
      How long till this closes? Trying hard to wrangle some money together for this
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: bengine on Mon, 21 January 2019, 04:25:36
      How long till this closes? Trying hard to wrangle some money together for this
      The GB opens for 1 week from Jan 16. So it should close on Jan 23?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Mon, 21 January 2019, 08:53:43
      Does dedicated WKL Polycarb plate support split backspace?

      Edit: I'm assuming the dedicated WKL Plate in Polycarb you mentioned earlier would have this layout?

      (Attachment Link)

      No, the dedicated WKL plate supports 2u backspace and stagged/non-stagged capslock.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Mon, 21 January 2019, 08:55:04
      How long till this closes? Trying hard to wrangle some money together for this
      The GB opens for 1 week from Jan 16. So it should close on Jan 23?

      Yes.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: DePulse on Mon, 21 January 2019, 08:57:33
      Hey Senter? I sent a pm btw. Thank you! :D
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Mon, 21 January 2019, 08:59:54
      Hey Senter? I sent a pm btw. Thank you! :D

      I didn't receive any messages from you. Could you send it again?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Sic_Alpha on Mon, 21 January 2019, 09:56:40
      Looking for a match to GMK Nautilus.  Would the yellow color option be a good match?  Was hoping for a Navy Blue  ;D
      Full brass would probably look awesome with Nautilus, but not sure if I can swing that much $ right now.  They're also pretty limited at 10 sets; have all 10 been filled?
      Thanks!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Genn on Mon, 21 January 2019, 10:47:06
      Just to verify:

      If I were to order what's below, that means I'd get to have 3 plate + PCB combos (2 MX and 1 Alps)?

      Regular kits: $275 (PC plate, PC weight, Hotswap PCB)
      Extra sandblasted brass weight: $56
      Extra sandblasted brass plate: $45 (WKL)
      Extra aluminum/PC plate: $25 (Alps)
      Extra PCB: $37 (Hotswap)
      Extra PCB: $37 (Universal, for Alps)

      Are Alps plates alu exclusively?
      Is it possible to get a WKL plate that doesn't have the 1u holes on the bottom row? (especially for brass so that I don't see the holes through the clear PC blockers)
      Is the WKL PC plate layout different from the WKL brass plate's layout?
      Also, am I understanding correctly that the option to add extra brass plate/weight is really cheap compared to just upgrading? And how would I go about getting an extra brass weight (assuming I got the regular PC weight with the regular kit)? I ask because I don't see an option on the ordering form.

      Thanks!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: otanishock on Mon, 21 January 2019, 11:13:30
      No, the dedicated WKL plate supports 2u backspace and stagged/non-stagged capslock.
      Right forgot to edit that out. But the main takeaway is the bottom row will be like the one I posted right?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: titanium on Mon, 21 January 2019, 12:47:43
      How much does the PC vs alu weigh?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: spyruf on Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:06:59
      How much does the PC vs alu weigh?
      I would guess a little less than half as the density of polycarbonate vs aluminum is roughly 1.2 to 2.6

      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ejewell89 on Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:48:23
      How much does the PC vs alu weigh?
      I would guess a little less than half as the density of polycarbonate vs aluminum is roughly 1.2 to 2.6

      but at what point is the mass difference unnoticeable? granted I'm no expert but i dont feel a great difference between my poly 910 and my alu 910. you get a lot of heft from your brass
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: aslanxdeft on Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:54:21
      Hi,
      I want get a wkl layout with split backspace. Which plate/pcb  combination do I have to go with?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ejewell89 on Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:56:24
      Hi,
      I want get a wkl layout with split backspace. Which plate/pcb  combination do I have to go with?

      You probably want the WKL plate option and then you have to decide if you want the mx/alps pcb or a hotswappable mx plate. either would do for your split backspace.

      someone correct me if i'm wrong
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: mudcakehoney on Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:44:09
      How much does the PC vs alu weigh?
      I would guess a little less than half as the density of polycarbonate vs aluminum is roughly 1.2 to 2.6

      but at what point is the mass difference unnoticeable? granted I'm no expert but i dont feel a great difference between my poly 910 and my alu 910. you get a lot of heft from your brass

      Don't forget the brass weight will add a fair amount of weight to the whole unitso I would be thinking more along the lines of 2/3rds. I have a PC Kira60 and it still weighs around 1.5kg
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: -musubi on Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:45:22
      Hi senter, can you check my PM for an invoice/order clarification? I believe there was a mistake.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:32:22
      When is the GB end date?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: bengine on Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:57:41
      When is the GB end date?

      How long till this closes? Trying hard to wrangle some money together for this
      The GB opens for 1 week from Jan 16. So it should close on Jan 23?

      Yes.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: hsunwoo1221 on Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:10:53
      Where can I check the layout for the dedicated WKL PC plate?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: tootle on Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:36:17
      I just want to verify: I ordered the HHKB layout case, plate, and hotswap PCB. I should be able to have the same exact layout as an HHKB except the spacebar would be 7u, right?

      Thanks!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: dantambok on Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:37:49
      I just want to verify: I ordered the HHKB layout case, plate, and hotswap PCB. I should be able to have the same exact layout as an HHKB except the spacebar would be 7u, right?

      Thanks!

      yes
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: DePulse on Mon, 21 January 2019, 18:52:26
      Hey Senter? I sent a pm btw. Thank you! :D

      I didn't receive any messages from you. Could you send it again?

      Sent it twice for assurance! Thank you  :D
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Hopeye on Mon, 21 January 2019, 21:33:27
      Is it possible to use a universal plate/pcb + hhkb top case and run split spacebar? it doesn't look like it-  I just want to confirm.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: TheMastermind on Mon, 21 January 2019, 22:34:59
      Have invoices been sent out yet as I have yet to receive one?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: krazikake on Mon, 21 January 2019, 23:24:28
      joined for a hot swap pc kit :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Jaimcat on Tue, 22 January 2019, 00:49:33
      Sent you a pm regarding my order!  :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: aslanxdeft on Tue, 22 January 2019, 00:57:54
      Are all those options supposed to be there for the weight? I'm having a hard time imagining a clear PC weight.

      EDIT: After reading again, I'm assuming these are for the leaf shape accessory/logo on the bottom?

      EDIT2: If you can get the whole weight in clear PC, do you have a render or photo of a completely clear PC build? (case, plate, weight, leaf accessory). Just trying to imagine what it would look like.

      Yes. We call it weight but it's basically not. I know it's a little bit confusing. You got the idea.
      I don't have a full clear PC build. I have a full opaque white PC prototype tho. My suggestion is to match the brass weight with the PC case unless you want a travel board.
      Can you elaborate on what you mean with "unless you want a travel case"? Are there any benefits from choosing a non PC weight for traveling?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: loud_asian on Tue, 22 January 2019, 01:46:01
      Are all those options supposed to be there for the weight? I'm having a hard time imagining a clear PC weight.

      EDIT: After reading again, I'm assuming these are for the leaf shape accessory/logo on the bottom?

      EDIT2: If you can get the whole weight in clear PC, do you have a render or photo of a completely clear PC build? (case, plate, weight, leaf accessory). Just trying to imagine what it would look like.



      Yes. We call it weight but it's basically not. I know it's a little bit confusing. You got the idea.
      I don't have a full clear PC build. I have a full opaque white PC prototype tho. My suggestion is to match the brass weight with the PC case unless you want a travel board.
      Can you elaborate on what you mean with "unless you want a travel case"? Are there any benefits from choosing a non PC weight for traveling?

      I think he meant pc weight + pc case = light keyboard for carrying around
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Frystie on Tue, 22 January 2019, 09:04:27
      Hey, I got in on the order, however, I got the hot-swap PCB (and an extra) with 2 MX universal plates. Will I have to change this to WLK plates to work? Can this be changed?

      Thanks!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ejewell89 on Tue, 22 January 2019, 09:20:45
      Have invoices been sent out yet as I have yet to receive one?

      i received and paid mine. it might be in the order that requests were submitted. but idk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: distracteddev on Tue, 22 January 2019, 10:38:25
      Definitely getting a PC and brass kit.

      Two questions,

      1. can I use the universal pcb and plate with the HHKB top?
      2. Could a ďstandardĒ 60% pcb and plate be fitted to the case? Asking mainly for the Boardwalk PCB


      1. Yes
      2. No

      Thanks for the response!  For 1, I would need to use the HHKB bottom row right? I wouldnít be able to get a HHKB case with split spacebar support. Just want to confirm. Thank you!


      Sorry to bump my question, but need this answered before I pay my invoice!

      Also, if itís not possible to do a HHKB top with split spacebar, is it possible to do a WKL top with split space?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Tue, 22 January 2019, 10:46:31
      Based on the layouts pictured in the OP, split is only supported in the 6.25u spacebar configuration. That will not work with hhkb, or wkl.
      Definitely getting a PC and brass kit.

      Two questions,

      1. can I use the universal pcb and plate with the HHKB top?
      2. Could a ďstandardĒ 60% pcb and plate be fitted to the case? Asking mainly for the Boardwalk PCB


      1. Yes
      2. No

      Thanks for the response!  For 1, I would need to use the HHKB bottom row right? I wouldnít be able to get a HHKB case with split spacebar support. Just want to confirm. Thank you!


      Sorry to bump my question, but need this answered before I pay my invoice!

      Also, if itís not possible to do a HHKB top with split spacebar, is it possible to do a WKL top with split space?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: boog on Tue, 22 January 2019, 11:22:23
      Submitted my order. Excited for this!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: boog on Tue, 22 January 2019, 11:23:59
      Submitted my order. Looking forward to it!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:15:44
      Looking for a match to GMK Nautilus.  Would the yellow color option be a good match?  Was hoping for a Navy Blue  ;D
      Full brass would probably look awesome with Nautilus, but not sure if I can swing that much $ right now.  They're also pretty limited at 10 sets; have all 10 been filled?
      Thanks!

      The list hasn't been finalized but I've already sent out some spots.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:15:53
      Just to verify:

      If I were to order what's below, that means I'd get to have 3 plate + PCB combos (2 MX and 1 Alps)?

      Regular kits: $275 (PC plate, PC weight, Hotswap PCB)
      Extra sandblasted brass weight: $56
      Extra sandblasted brass plate: $45 (WKL)
      Extra aluminum/PC plate: $25 (Alps)
      Extra PCB: $37 (Hotswap)
      Extra PCB: $37 (Universal, for Alps)

      Are Alps plates alu exclusively?
      Is it possible to get a WKL plate that doesn't have the 1u holes on the bottom row? (especially for brass so that I don't see the holes through the clear PC blockers)
      Is the WKL PC plate layout different from the WKL brass plate's layout?
      Also, am I understanding correctly that the option to add extra brass plate/weight is really cheap compared to just upgrading? And how would I go about getting an extra brass weight (assuming I got the regular PC weight with the regular kit)? I ask because I don't see an option on the ordering form.

      Thanks!

      "I'd get to have 3 plate + PCB combos (2 MX and 1 Alps)?"
      -> yes

      "Are Alps plates alu exclusively?"
      -> no

      "Is it possible to get a WKL plate that doesn't have the 1u holes on the bottom row? (especially for brass so that I don't see the holes through the clear PC blockers)"
      -> no for brass

      "Is the WKL PC plate layout different from the WKL brass plate's layout?"
      -> There's a special WKL PC plate which supports 2u BS

      "Also, am I understanding correctly that the option to add extra brass plate/weight is really cheap compared to just upgrading? "
      -> not cheaper apparently. better value imo

      "And how would I go about getting an extra brass weight (assuming I got the regular PC weight with the regular kit)?"
      -> you can write in the last question in the form
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:17:06
      No, the dedicated WKL plate supports 2u backspace and stagged/non-stagged capslock.
      Right forgot to edit that out. But the main takeaway is the bottom row will be like the one I posted right?

      Yes
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:18:14
      How much does the PC vs alu weigh?

      Aluminum case + aluminum plate + aluminum weight = 1.05kg
      PC case + PC plate + PC weight (light?) = 460 grams
      Brass weight: 650 grams
      Brass plate: 250-300 grams

      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:18:53
      Hi senter, can you check my PM for an invoice/order clarification? I believe there was a mistake.

      replied
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:20:57
      Is it possible to use a universal plate/pcb + hhkb top case and run split spacebar? it doesn't look like it-  I just want to confirm.

      Universal PCB + universal plate will support the split spacebar layout shown in OP.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:24:37

      Sorry to bump my question, but need this answered before I pay my invoice!

      Also, if itís not possible to do a HHKB top with split spacebar, is it possible to do a WKL top with split space?

      HHKB and WKL tops won't work with split spacebar.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:39:40
      (https://i.imgur.com/5TC7Geg.jpg)

      (https://i.imgur.com/Rg9loio.jpg)

      (https://i.imgur.com/34nzqQQ.jpg)

      Hope this is helpful for buyers and other GB runners.

      I'm surprised half of the buyers chose clear PC.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: DePulse on Tue, 22 January 2019, 20:19:50
      Hey Senter! Already sent the message and an order! :D Hope you read my message first tho :O
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: senter on Tue, 22 January 2019, 21:06:00
      Hey Senter! Already sent the message and an order! :D Hope you read my message first tho :O

      DePulse, I didn't receive your message. Could you send it again?

      It's so weird. It's the 3rd time people saying they sent me messages while I didn't. Is it normal on GH?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: heloitsame on Tue, 22 January 2019, 21:36:11
      How much does the PC vs alu weigh?

      Aluminum case + aluminum plate + aluminum weight = 1.05kg
      PC case + PC plate + PC weight (light?) = 460 grams
      Brass weight: 650 grams
      Brass plate: 250-300 grams

      wait does this mean pc weight is available? also are the plates going to support switch top removal?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: PoochZag on Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:13:34
      I also sent Senter a message, just wanted to post here in case it didn't go through  :thumb:
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: edasaur on Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:35:41
      is it just the lighting, or does the e red look darker than the ano red from fox 80?

      Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Mavarina on Tue, 22 January 2019, 23:59:06
      Hi just to make sure the universal plate can work with hhkb case right?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: aslanxdeft on Wed, 23 January 2019, 00:53:58
      Ordered, waiting for my invoice now. :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: bengine on Wed, 23 January 2019, 01:00:35
      Hi just to make sure the universal plate can work with hhkb case right?
      Yes
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: dado brat on Wed, 23 January 2019, 04:29:21
      placed and payed order. I am very excited for this ;D

      Will updates come here only or is there a discord server I can join?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Lazylewis on Wed, 23 January 2019, 05:01:14


      Hope this is helpful for buyers and other GB runners.

      I'm surprised half of the buyers chose clear PC.

      That’s becsuse the pics of the clear PC hhkb on the OP look epic.

      I am concerned how mine is going to age though.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: TheMastermind on Wed, 23 January 2019, 07:30:43
      How much would just the pc case weigh?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: PaultheSloth on Wed, 23 January 2019, 08:42:08
      Sent an email regarding my order.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: xef on Wed, 23 January 2019, 09:41:13
      invoice paid, excite
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: DePulse on Wed, 23 January 2019, 09:46:59
      Hey Senter! Already sent the message and an order! :D Hope you read my message first tho :O

      DePulse, I didn't receive your message. Could you send it again?

      It's so weird. It's the 3rd time people saying they sent me messages while I didn't. Is it normal on GH?


      Ohh man. I'm not sure tho. But if you do have a discord, we can talk there just in case you still haven't received my message yet. I'll try again right now.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Lazylewis on Wed, 23 January 2019, 10:53:46
      Invoice goes to email ?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: aslanxdeft on Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:09:35
      Sent a message regarding my invoice and order.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: edasaur on Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:16:48
      Replying to let Senter know that I filled out the google doc (~5 - 6 hours ago) and am also wondering if the invoice comes through email...
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: daishan on Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:29:39
      The invoices will pop up on your paypal accounts. Paypal should then notify you via mail, unless you have disabled that.

      Sending out invoices is likely a manual process, so allow for some time for Senter to get around to do that.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:19:40
      So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: ixixmmx on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:21:56
      Quick question. Are the plates switch top removable? Is there any disadvantages to having a plate that is switch top removable? I'm new to this scene.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:22:21
      So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
      Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
      Keycaps.

      Youíre done!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Darknight00z on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:26:09
      Are there 1 set or 2 set of gaskets, above and below the plate?

      Secondly does the PCB support underglow LED strip solder?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:26:52
      Are there 1 set or 2 set of gaskets, above and below the plate?

      Secondly does the PCB support underglow LED solder?

      Gaskets on both top and bottom on front and back
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:27:21
      So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
      Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
      Keycaps.

      Youíre done!

      So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Darknight00z on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:29:48
      Quick question. Are the plates switch top removable? Is there any disadvantages to having a plate that is switch top removable? I'm new to this scene.

      Looking at the post, the plate does not support switch top removal.

      Disadvantage are aesthetics and some would argue switch stability but I have never experienced any issues.
      Title: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:33:04
      So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
      Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
      Keycaps.

      Youíre done!

      So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: etong415 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:35:14
      So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
      Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
      Keycaps.

      Youíre done!

      So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
      The Hotswap PCB layout looks like it can support a standard layout w/ the exception of a 7u spacebar though. Doesnít need to omit two bottom row keys like WKL or HHKB layout does


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:37:05
      So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
      Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
      Keycaps.

      Youíre done!

      So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
      The Hotswap PCB layout looks like it can support a standard layout w/ the exception of a 7u spacebar though. Doesnít need to omit two bottom row keys like WKL or HHKB layout does


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Thatís correct. I initially misspoke on the spacebar stabilizer. But yeah, you can still do the full layout. Just be mindful of the unit sizes for the bottom row modifiers.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: o3okevin on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:47:59
      So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
      Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
      Keycaps.

      Youíre done!

      So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
      The Hotswap PCB layout looks like it can support a standard layout w/ the exception of a 7u spacebar though. Doesnít need to omit two bottom row keys like WKL or HHKB layout does


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Thatís correct. I initially misspoke on the spacebar stabilizer. But yeah, you can still do the full layout. Just be mindful of the unit sizes for the bottom row modifiers.
      Hotswap pcb only supports 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row, split right shift, and split backspace (not a total standard layout).
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: ixixmmx on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:23:13
      Got my order placed. Very excited as this will be my first build.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:15:39
      So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
      Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
      Keycaps.

      Youíre done!

      So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
      The Hotswap PCB layout looks like it can support a standard layout w/ the exception of a 7u spacebar though. Doesnít need to omit two bottom row keys like WKL or HHKB layout does


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Thatís correct. I initially misspoke on the spacebar stabilizer. But yeah, you can still do the full layout. Just be mindful of the unit sizes for the bottom row modifiers.
      Hotswap pcb only supports 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row, split right shift, and split backspace (not a total standard layout).

      So I just need to make sure I have the right caps when ordering a set then? Am I right to assume the case depends on the plate layout? Like the standard plate wonít have the little notches like the HHKB board right? Do the other layouts support standard size caps or are all the options for this board like that?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Slavadavadingdong on Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:30:35
      Sorry for the dumb question, but what is the point of the HHKB plate if the universal plate will work with the HHKB case? I am wondering which plate to get if I just want an HHKB style, NON hot swappable board.

      If it matters, I would get PC everything to make it a travel board.

      Thanks!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Choobies on Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:35:26
      Quote
      Sorry for the dumb question, but what is the point of the HHKB plate if the universal plate will work with the HHKB case? I am wondering which plate to get if I just want an HHKB style, NON hot swappable board.

      I was wondering the same thing, and I imagine it's because a fixed layout plate is a bit sturdier than the universal plate, with the way the holes hold the switches.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, though.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Slavadavadingdong on Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:53:22
      I just realized it's probably so you don't see the switch cutouts if you get the PC case... someone can confirm, but that seems to be it. Your reason sounds right too.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: ixixmmx on Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:56:20
      What software will be needed to program the PCB? I haven't noticed any mention of this in the thread.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 23 January 2019, 15:24:23
      What software will be needed to program the PCB? I haven't noticed any mention of this in the thread.

      32u4, so QMK probably
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Jkshowman on Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:38:52
      Are there any aftermarket PCB's maybe for this?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:42:44
      Are there any aftermarket PCB's maybe for this?


      This uses a proprietary PCB. Senter said that the PCBs can be rerun in batches of at least 10, though I can't say how likely it is to be run.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:47:04
      What's the cutoff time for this GB? (EST)

      I want to order one but am not entirely sure just what to get yet, hope to fill out the form tonight when I get home from work.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: senter on Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:51:04
      What's the cutoff time for this GB? (EST)

      I want to order one but am not entirely sure just what to get yet, hope to fill out the form tonight when I get home from work.

      8 pm EST.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: o3okevin on Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:01:57

      So I just need to make sure I have the right caps when ordering a set then? Am I right to assume the case depends on the plate layout? Like the standard plate wonít have the little notches like the HHKB board right? Do the other layouts support standard size caps or are all the options for this board like that?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      It would be helpful to define what you consider a "standard" layout and caps to be first :)

      Case and plate layouts are chosen independently, you could get a HHKB plate for a regular layout case if you're a madman.

      Standard plate will not have the HHKB blockers. If you want the typical pok3r style layout your only option is the standard plate.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:10:04

      So I just need to make sure I have the right caps when ordering a set then? Am I right to assume the case depends on the plate layout? Like the standard plate wonít have the little notches like the HHKB board right? Do the other layouts support standard size caps or are all the options for this board like that?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      It would be helpful to define what you consider a "standard" layout and caps to be first :)

      Case and plate layouts are chosen independently, you could get a HHKB plate for a regular layout case if you're a madman.

      Standard plate will not have the HHKB blockers. If you want the typical pok3r style layout your only option is the standard plate.

      Thanks, that clears it up a bit for me. The HHKB layout is not available with a hot swap PCB correct?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: o3okevin on Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:14:44

      So I just need to make sure I have the right caps when ordering a set then? Am I right to assume the case depends on the plate layout? Like the standard plate wonít have the little notches like the HHKB board right? Do the other layouts support standard size caps or are all the options for this board like that?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      It would be helpful to define what you consider a "standard" layout and caps to be first :)

      Case and plate layouts are chosen independently, you could get a HHKB plate for a regular layout case if you're a madman.

      Standard plate will not have the HHKB blockers. If you want the typical pok3r style layout your only option is the standard plate.

      Thanks, that clears it up a bit for me. The HHKB layout is not available with a hot swap PCB correct?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      HHKB layout is supported with the hot swap PCB.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Lormania on Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:20:16
      Here is to me figuring out what I want to do with my order in the next 1.666666 hours!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: Slavadavadingdong on Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:38:45
      I put in my order for PC everything, standard layout, will be a great travel keeb for law school!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: thearctican on Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:54:48
      Should I PM for any order confirmations or changes?

      Sent from my SM-G960U1 using Tapatalk

      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 18:59:06
      Just submitted an order but was confused by the weight option. If I chose PC for everything does that mean it will be super light? I don't really want the board moving all around, should I have upgraded to the brass one or does it come with an aluminum plate?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: senter on Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:11:52
      Should I PM for any order confirmations or changes?


      If you need to
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: thearctican on Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:13:13
      Should I PM for any order confirmations or changes?


      If you need to
      Ok, I sent a dm earlier with the PayPal invoice. Just wanted to make sure I selected the right pcb and plate for hotswap.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: senter on Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:16:03
      Just submitted an order but was confused by the weight option. If I chose PC for everything does that mean it will be super light? I don't really want the board moving all around, should I have upgraded to the brass one or does it come with an aluminum plate?

      It will be light.
      It won't move around unless your desktop is very slippery.
      You don't "should" to choose any combinations. It's all about preference.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:19:40
      Just submitted an order but was confused by the weight option. If I chose PC for everything does that mean it will be super light? I don't really want the board moving all around, should I have upgraded to the brass one or does it come with an aluminum plate?

      It will be light.
      It won't move around unless your desktop is very slippery.
      You don't "should" to choose any combinations. It's all about preference.

      How do I get the gold plate? Can I change my order?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: vpr on Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:25:50
      dang, didn't know this was going to end at 8pm EST. I was still thinking about it thought I had a few more hours still.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Aevyn on Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:01:58
      Haven't received an invoice yet. Just want to confirm if order went through. NEED that PC HHKB.  :eek:

      EDIT: Invoice received and paid. Thank you!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: macclack on Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:59:12
      I haven't received my invoice yet either.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ChickenBear on Wed, 23 January 2019, 21:22:55
      Is the weight shown in the first picture on the GB a PVD Brass weight or is it a PVD Brass weight with gold finish?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: spyruf on Wed, 23 January 2019, 21:46:34
      Is the weight shown in the first picture on the GB a PVD Brass weight or is it a PVD Brass weight with gold finish?

      I don't think there is a difference.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: thearctican on Wed, 23 January 2019, 21:48:16
      Is the weight shown in the first picture on the GB a PVD Brass weight or is it a PVD Brass weight with gold finish?

      I don't think there is a difference.
      Sure there is. That first photo is pvd coated gold finish. Pvd coated brass on its own just protects it from tarnishing. I opted for an unfinished one personally.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ChickenBear on Wed, 23 January 2019, 21:52:34
      Is the weight shown in the first picture on the GB a PVD Brass weight or is it a PVD Brass weight with gold finish?

      I don't think there is a difference.
      Sure there is. That first photo is pvd coated gold finish. Pvd coated brass on its own just protects it from tarnishing. I opted for an unfinished one personally.
      Is there a big difference in looks? What does PVD Brass look like compared to with a gold finish?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: thearctican on Wed, 23 January 2019, 22:00:59
      Is the weight shown in the first picture on the GB a PVD Brass weight or is it a PVD Brass weight with gold finish?

      I don't think there is a difference.
      Sure there is. That first photo is pvd coated gold finish. Pvd coated brass on its own just protects it from tarnishing. I opted for an unfinished one personally.
      Is there a big difference in looks? What does PVD Brass look like compared to with a gold finish?
      Natural brass is not as vibrant as a gold finish. Pvd coating has some flexibility in colors, hence the solver and rose gold finishes available on the full brass kits.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Lazylewis on Sat, 26 January 2019, 22:43:08
      Paid. Invoice didnít show up in the PayPal app for some reason but when I logged into PayPal website I saw it. Said due 26th, which was yesterday. That doesnít affect my order does it ?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:16:49
      Paid. Invoice didnít show up in the PayPal app for some reason but when I logged into PayPal website I saw it. Said due 26th, which was yesterday. That doesnít affect my order does it ?

      should be fine if it wasn't cancelled
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fine_italian_leather on Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:06:34
      I never got an invoice, rip.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:53:03
      Paid. Invoice didnít show up in the PayPal app for some reason but when I logged into PayPal website I saw it. Said due 26th, which was yesterday. That doesnít affect my order does it ?

      Your order is good.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:53:59
      I never got an invoice, rip.

      You didn't submit an order if you believe you did with this ID in the google form.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Prebeta on Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:38:55
      Thanks for following up with all the PMs Senter <3
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:47:20
      Should we follow this thread for updates or will they be posted somewhere else?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: eagleheardt on Sun, 27 January 2019, 19:59:42
      Should we follow this thread for updates or will they be posted somewhere else?
      .
       I second this! Just wanting to know where we can see what's up :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sun, 27 January 2019, 20:15:57
      Can anyone help me on what kind of caps I need to be looking for if I opted for the standard hotswap layout? I wasn't thinking about how the cap sizes are different, what would I need to look for in addition to a standard set of caps?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: babyphil on Sun, 27 January 2019, 20:27:01
      Can anyone help me on what kind of caps I need to be looking for if I opted for the standard hotswap layout? I wasn't thinking about how the cap sizes are different, what would I need to look for in addition to a standard set of caps?
      Keyset that supports a winkeyless style layout.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sun, 27 January 2019, 20:37:49
      Can anyone help me on what kind of caps I need to be looking for if I opted for the standard hotswap layout? I wasn't thinking about how the cap sizes are different, what would I need to look for in addition to a standard set of caps?
      Keyset that supports a winkeyless style layout.

      I see. If I had got the HHKB layout would a standard set work or would I have to look for different sets as well? I was hoping to use my /dev/tty set on this board but I did not order the WKL options at the time, I only have a Novetouch right now.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Choobies on Sun, 27 January 2019, 20:44:41
      Can anyone help me on what kind of caps I need to be looking for if I opted for the standard hotswap layout? I wasn't thinking about how the cap sizes are different, what would I need to look for in addition to a standard set of caps?
      Keyset that supports a winkeyless style layout.

      I see. If I had got the HHKB layout would a standard set work or would I have to look for different sets as well? I was hoping to use my /dev/tty set on this board but I did not order the WKL options at the time, I only have a Novetouch right now.

      You need to make sure you have bottom row keys that fulfill the required HHKB bottom row layout, which is
      1u - 1.5u - 7u - 1.5u - 1u
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sun, 27 January 2019, 20:46:13
      Can anyone help me on what kind of caps I need to be looking for if I opted for the standard hotswap layout? I wasn't thinking about how the cap sizes are different, what would I need to look for in addition to a standard set of caps?
      Keyset that supports a winkeyless style layout.

      I see. If I had got the HHKB layout would a standard set work or would I have to look for different sets as well? I was hoping to use my /dev/tty set on this board but I did not order the WKL options at the time, I only have a Novetouch right now.

      You need to make sure you have a bottom row layout that has the HHKB bottom row layout, which is
      1u - 1.5u - 7u - 1.5u - 1u

      Gotcha. I didn't actually get the HHKB layout I was just curious if it had the same requirements. I guess I will need to decide on a new set of caps for this board too.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: boog on Thu, 31 January 2019, 09:09:51
      Loved the graphs of everyoneís customizations. They showed me how truly unoriginal I am haha.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: geewizwow on Thu, 31 January 2019, 09:37:32
      Graphs? :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
      Post by: boog on Thu, 31 January 2019, 19:06:13
      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/5TC7Geg.jpg)


      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/Rg9loio.jpg)


      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/34nzqQQ.jpg)


      Hope this is helpful for buyers and other GB runners.

      I'm surprised half of the buyers chose clear PC.

      Sorry, yes 😬 ^^^
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Slavadavadingdong on Thu, 31 January 2019, 23:31:13
      Any chance for some measurements of the case? Want to know if my 60% sleeve will fit.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Choobies on Fri, 01 February 2019, 08:28:26
      Any chance for some measurements of the case? Want to know if my 60% sleeve will fit.

      [deleted]
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ixixmmx on Fri, 01 February 2019, 15:55:59
      Unfortunately for me, I need to back out of this GB. If anyone is interested in standard layout please PM me and I'll provide the details of my order as well as the price. Not looking to make any money, just get back what I paid for.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: DocNoc on Fri, 01 February 2019, 16:09:11
      Unfortunately for me, I need to back out of this GB. If anyone is interested in standard layout please PM me and I'll provide the details of my order as well as the price. Not looking to make any money, just get back what I paid for.
      Shot you a pm, sorry you have to give up your slot :(
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ixixmmx on Fri, 01 February 2019, 16:11:06
      Unfortunately for me, I need to back out of this GB. If anyone is interested in standard layout please PM me and I'll provide the details of my order as well as the price. Not looking to make any money, just get back what I paid for.
      Shot you a pm, sorry you have to give up your slot :(
      PM sent.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fine_italian_leather on Fri, 01 February 2019, 16:27:06
      I never got an invoice, rip.

      You didn't submit an order if you believe you did with this ID in the google form.

      Huh, I guess I must have ****ed up and and not hit submit or something.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: yuppie on Fri, 01 February 2019, 18:26:05
      Was the green from the IC ever made?
       (https://i.imgur.com/kdJYkXr.jpg)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Fri, 01 February 2019, 19:26:12
      No
      Was the green from the IC ever made?
       
      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/kdJYkXr.jpg)

      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: etong415 on Sat, 02 February 2019, 03:00:45
      Are there plans for the plate files to be released in case we want to try different materials in the future?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: garbo on Sat, 02 February 2019, 04:42:37
      Are there plans for the plate files to be released in case we want to try different materials in the future?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      imgur compression and the low resolution make things a little more awkward but it's still quite easy to trace a vector from the plate layout images in the OP, if it comes to that
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sat, 02 February 2019, 07:31:28
      Can anyone suggest some good hot swap switches? This is my first custom build and Iím not sure where to start. My current board is a Novatouch and I love the way that feels, anything close to that in the hot swap variety? Also, what stabs are recommended?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Unforgivable on Mon, 04 February 2019, 14:43:25
      I never got an invoice, rip.

      You didn't submit an order if you believe you did with this ID in the google form.

      Edit: Nevermind. Just saw the invoice. Thank you, sir!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: DocNoc on Mon, 04 February 2019, 20:52:59
      Pm'd you Senter about taking over ixixmmx's slot
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: mmontess on Tue, 05 February 2019, 09:08:18
      Can anyone suggest some good hot swap switches? This is my first custom build and Iím not sure where to start. My current board is a Novatouch and I love the way that feels, anything close to that in the hot swap variety? Also, what stabs are recommended?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Topre boards are tactile, so I would recommend trying out some nice tactile switches. Personally I love zeal v2s and Holy Pandas (will probably be easy to find some once they ship from Massdrop). As far as stabs go, GMK screw in stabs are usually the best bang for your buck. Other people swear by zeal stabs, but they are quite a bit pricier. Just MAKE SURE YOU LUBE THEM. There are plenty of stab lubing guides out there, but it will give your board a much better feel.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 05 February 2019, 09:11:55
      Can anyone suggest some good hot swap switches? This is my first custom build and Iím not sure where to start. My current board is a Novatouch and I love the way that feels, anything close to that in the hot swap variety? Also, what stabs are recommended?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Topre boards are tactile, so I would recommend trying out some nice tactile switches. Personally I love zeal v2s and Holy Pandas (will probably be easy to find some once they ship from Massdrop). As far as stabs go, GMK screw in stabs are usually the best bang for your buck. Other people swear by zeal stabs, but they are quite a bit pricier. Just MAKE SURE YOU LUBE THEM. There are plenty of stab lubing guides out there, but it will give your board a much better feel.

      Thanks for the suggestions. I see the Zeal V2ís being mentioned a lot, I might try those. From what I can tell, any switch will work on the hot swap board right?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: LuiKang on Tue, 05 February 2019, 10:02:02
      Can anyone suggest some good hot swap switches? This is my first custom build and Iím not sure where to start. My current board is a Novatouch and I love the way that feels, anything close to that in the hot swap variety? Also, what stabs are recommended?

      I would suggest Zilent 62g v2 switches.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: etong415 on Tue, 05 February 2019, 11:26:09
      Can anyone suggest some good hot swap switches? This is my first custom build and Iím not sure where to start. My current board is a Novatouch and I love the way that feels, anything close to that in the hot swap variety? Also, what stabs are recommended?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Topre boards are tactile, so I would recommend trying out some nice tactile switches. Personally I love zeal v2s and Holy Pandas (will probably be easy to find some once they ship from Massdrop). As far as stabs go, GMK screw in stabs are usually the best bang for your buck. Other people swear by zeal stabs, but they are quite a bit pricier. Just MAKE SURE YOU LUBE THEM. There are plenty of stab lubing guides out there, but it will give your board a much better feel.

      Thanks for the suggestions. I see the Zeal V2ís being mentioned a lot, I might try those. From what I can tell, any switch will work on the hot swap board right?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      As long as the hot swap PCB has the pinholes for the legs on a PCB mount switch, it should work with any MX style switch
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 05 February 2019, 13:17:15
      Can anyone suggest some good hot swap switches? This is my first custom build and Iím not sure where to start. My current board is a Novatouch and I love the way that feels, anything close to that in the hot swap variety? Also, what stabs are recommended?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


      Topre boards are tactile, so I would recommend trying out some nice tactile switches. Personally I love zeal v2s and Holy Pandas (will probably be easy to find some once they ship from Massdrop). As far as stabs go, GMK screw in stabs are usually the best bang for your buck. Other people swear by zeal stabs, but they are quite a bit pricier. Just MAKE SURE YOU LUBE THEM. There are plenty of stab lubing guides out there, but it will give your board a much better feel.

      Thanks for the suggestions. I see the Zeal V2ís being mentioned a lot, I might try those. From what I can tell, any switch will work on the hot swap board right?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      As long as the hot swap PCB has the pinholes for the legs on a PCB mount switch, it should work with any MX style switch

      Got it, thanks. I am not sure if this PCB will have the pinholes or not.
      Title: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: etong415 on Tue, 05 February 2019, 15:04:07
      Can anyone suggest some good hot swap switches? This is my first custom build and Iím not sure where to start. My current board is a Novatouch and I love the way that feels, anything close to that in the hot swap variety? Also, what stabs are recommended?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      If it doesn't have the pin holes you can just clip off the legs on the PCB mount switches and they'll work! I wouldn't worry too much about switch compatibility, as long as they're MX-style switches


      Topre boards are tactile, so I would recommend trying out some nice tactile switches. Personally I love zeal v2s and Holy Pandas (will probably be easy to find some once they ship from Massdrop). As far as stabs go, GMK screw in stabs are usually the best bang for your buck. Other people swear by zeal stabs, but they are quite a bit pricier. Just MAKE SURE YOU LUBE THEM. There are plenty of stab lubing guides out there, but it will give your board a much better feel.

      Thanks for the suggestions. I see the Zeal V2ís being mentioned a lot, I might try those. From what I can tell, any switch will work on the hot swap board right?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      As long as the hot swap PCB has the pinholes for the legs on a PCB mount switch, it should work with any MX style switch

      Got it, thanks. I am not sure if this PCB will have the pinholes or not.
      You can always just clip the legs off. I wouldnít worry too much about switch compatibility
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: otanishock on Wed, 06 February 2019, 07:53:45
      [attach=1]
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 06 February 2019, 07:54:54
      (Attachment Link)

      I hear ya, I regret getting the standard layout and not the HHKB now. Should have bought both!


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: 0sirisTV on Wed, 06 February 2019, 12:34:15
      If anyone is looking to sell their spot please PM me.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ixixmmx on Wed, 06 February 2019, 17:07:46
      Senter, I PMíd you. Please transfer my slot to DocNoc. Thank you.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 06 February 2019, 21:47:26
      (Attachment Link)

      huge mood
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 06 February 2019, 21:51:07
      Found a few more shots of our beloved
       https://m.zfrontier.com/post/detail/11486 (https://m.zfrontier.com/post/detail/11486)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Wed, 06 February 2019, 22:43:41
      I already regret going standard top and not WKL.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 06 February 2019, 22:46:40
      I already regret going standard top and not WKL.

      Yeah seeing only images of the WKL versions has me thinking standard wonít be as nice. I went with PC though and donít like seeing the plate underneath, thatís why I went with standard.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: pentawater on Thu, 07 February 2019, 06:31:16
      Regret not jumping in!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Aevyn on Fri, 08 February 2019, 12:20:52
      Gotta ask. I heard some mention about a numpad. Definitely would love a numpad that matches the keyboard. Any update on how that is going? I'm sure you're busy with the GB so it's totally cool if the answer is after the GB.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: eagleheardt on Sat, 09 February 2019, 11:52:26
      I've been asking the same. they said it would be 6 rows, but there would only be one button at the top.

      then went on to say that the design had not been finalized.


      I REALLY want a full 24 key numpad friend for this board. FULL 6 X 4 rows is what I need
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Aevyn on Mon, 11 February 2019, 02:28:05
      I've been asking the same. they said it would be 6 rows, but there would only be one button at the top.

      then went on to say that the design had not been finalized.


      I REALLY want a full 24 key numpad friend for this board. FULL 6 X 4 rows is what I need

      I'd honestly be fine with a 5x4, but I'm guessing that would look small next to the board so 6x4 would work better?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Mon, 11 February 2019, 15:38:33
      But the Leaf60 is only 5 rows. How would a 5 row numpad look small?  I think 5 row is the way to go. That 6th row is always a challenge to fill with relevant caps.
      I've been asking the same. they said it would be 6 rows, but there would only be one button at the top.

      then went on to say that the design had not been finalized.


      I REALLY want a full 24 key numpad friend for this board. FULL 6 X 4 rows is what I need

      I'd honestly be fine with a 5x4, but I'm guessing that would look small next to the board so 6x4 would work better?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: eagleheardt on Mon, 11 February 2019, 18:02:08
      I've gotten SUPER used to my 6th row on the numpad, I use it for esc, backspace, delete, and printscreen, EVERY. DAY.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: metalliccharles on Tue, 12 February 2019, 10:55:56
      Looking to sell mine. PC Regular Layout/ PVD brass plate,PVD brass weight.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 12 February 2019, 15:00:20
      Reading this review of the TGR-910RE has me a bit worried about the PC case:

      https://brianleereviews.wordpress.com/2018/12/14/review-yuktsis-tgr-910re-polycarbonate/

      Anyone know if these issues were raised in the IC and addressed by Senter?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: thearctican on Tue, 12 February 2019, 15:11:44
      Reading this review of the TGR-910RE has me a bit worried about the PC case:

      https://brianleereviews.wordpress.com/2018/12/14/review-yuktsis-tgr-910re-polycarbonate/

      Anyone know if these issues were raised in the IC and addressed by Senter?
      I would expect those kinds of problems with a polycarbonate case. Discontinuity can only *REALLY* be sorted out if you machine it all from the same block (unibody) or take EXTREME care in manufacture of the separate parts. Warping, visual differences between units (and same-unit parts), finish differences, etc. are all side-effects of using a less stalwart material than the common metals we see.

      All reasons I won't buy PC multi-part cases. A polycarb Tofu or Klippe? Sure. Not for builds like this, though. Not yet.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 12 February 2019, 15:16:23
      Reading this review of the TGR-910RE has me a bit worried about the PC case:

      https://brianleereviews.wordpress.com/2018/12/14/review-yuktsis-tgr-910re-polycarbonate/

      Anyone know if these issues were raised in the IC and addressed by Senter?
      I would expect those kinds of problems with a polycarbonate case. Discontinuity can only *REALLY* be sorted out if you machine it all from the same block (unibody) or take EXTREME care in manufacture of the separate parts. Warping, visual differences between units (and same-unit parts), finish differences, etc. are all side-effects of using a less stalwart material than the common metals we see.

      All reasons I won't buy PC multi-part cases. A polycarb Tofu or Klippe? Sure. Not for builds like this, though. Not yet.

      Well ****...
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: dantambok on Tue, 12 February 2019, 16:25:17
      Reading this review of the TGR-910RE has me a bit worried about the PC case:

      https://brianleereviews.wordpress.com/2018/12/14/review-yuktsis-tgr-910re-polycarbonate/

      Anyone know if these issues were raised in the IC and addressed by Senter?

      I have a poly RE and have literally 0 complaints about the said board. It is actually my current favorite among my 20-ish boards  :))
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: beamingrobot on Tue, 12 February 2019, 18:22:25
      Believing brian lee in 2k19 lmao, that's not even his board.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 12 February 2019, 18:43:35
      Believing brian lee in 2k19 lmao, that's not even his board.

      I don't know anything about that guy, is he not credible or something?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Slavadavadingdong on Tue, 12 February 2019, 20:34:08
      Believing brian lee in 2k19 lmao, that's not even his board.

      I don't know anything about that guy, is he not credible or something?

      I like his reviews and blog a lot, but I think he got a bit of hate in the community for this post:

      https://brianleereviews.wordpress.com/2019/01/11/opinion-the-state-of-keyboard-design/
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: thearctican on Tue, 12 February 2019, 22:11:15
      Believing brian lee in 2k19 lmao, that's not even his board.

      I don't know anything about that guy, is he not credible or something?

      I like his reviews and blog a lot, but I think he got a bit of hate in the community for this post:

      https://brianleereviews.wordpress.com/2019/01/11/opinion-the-state-of-keyboard-design/

      He probably got a bit frustrated with the dry spell we had there for a while. Took a bit before there was something new I wanted to buy into. The Grid 600 broke that spell for me.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: yemeisong on Wed, 13 February 2019, 00:24:59
      I purchased a clear polycarb HHKB top - would anyone with clear pc WKL like to trade? pm me here or on reddit u/kwy0
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: boog on Thu, 14 February 2019, 16:01:00
      I read this as there will be extra Aluminum parts.

      So if we buy the base option just to secure a board during the preorder, we can always go back (within a reasonable amount of time) after the GB and buy the upgrades?


      Yes, there will be leftover parts for sure.

      Senter,

      Hey, I was curious about the extra parts you had mentioned above. Would you happen to have any extra hotswap PCBs that would work with my HHKB layout? If so I would like to know if I could add one to my order if we can do that.

      Thanks!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ejewell89 on Fri, 15 February 2019, 10:17:06
      Believing brian lee in 2k19 lmao, that's not even his board.

      I don't know anything about that guy, is he not credible or something?

      I like his reviews and blog a lot, but I think he got a bit of hate in the community for this post:

      https://brianleereviews.wordpress.com/2019/01/11/opinion-the-state-of-keyboard-design/

      He probably got a bit frustrated with the dry spell we had there for a while. Took a bit before there was something new I wanted to buy into. The Grid 600 broke that spell for me.

      my polycarb 910 is probably my favorite board as well out of the 6 i own.
      other boards being
      alice, gray 910, hhkb jp, hhkb, keycult 1/60 brass edition
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Mon, 18 February 2019, 07:30:51

      Senter,

      Hey, I was curious about the extra parts you had mentioned above. Would you happen to have any extra hotswap PCBs that would work with my HHKB layout? If so I would like to know if I could add one to my order if we can do that.

      Thanks!

      Yes
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: boog on Mon, 18 February 2019, 10:16:45

      Senter,

      Hey, I was curious about the extra parts you had mentioned above. Would you happen to have any extra hotswap PCBs that would work with my HHKB layout? If so I would like to know if I could add one to my order if we can do that.

      Thanks!

      Yes

      How would I go about doing that? I would ask in DM, but it doesnít seem to be going through anymore.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Minterly on Mon, 18 February 2019, 19:20:27
      If there are enough leftover parts for a complete kit... I'm interested :>
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sat, 23 February 2019, 11:48:13
      Can anyone who ordered the hotswap plate help me out. I am trying to find a set of caps to go with this board but it seems like this layout is going to be a hard one to find something compatible. I am interested in getting this kit to match the /dev/tty set I have on my Novatouch but it doesn't seem like it has the keys needed to fit that layout. If I went with the standard non-hotswap plate/PCB would it just fit a normal set of keys like I've highlighted in the image below?

      [attachimg=1]
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: PoochZag on Sat, 23 February 2019, 12:05:04
      Can anyone who ordered the hotswap plate help me out. I am trying to find a set of caps to go with this board but it seems like this layout is going to be a hard one to find something compatible. I am interested in getting this kit to match the /dev/tty set I have on my Novatouch but it doesn't seem like it has the keys needed to fit that layout. If I went with the standard non-hotswap plate/PCB would it just fit a normal set of keys like I've highlighted in the image below?

      (Attachment Link)

      Yup, what you have highlighted is a standard ANSI layout and you would be able to use that layout with the universal plate and normal PCB
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sat, 23 February 2019, 12:42:53
      Can anyone who ordered the hotswap plate help me out. I am trying to find a set of caps to go with this board but it seems like this layout is going to be a hard one to find something compatible. I am interested in getting this kit to match the /dev/tty set I have on my Novatouch but it doesn't seem like it has the keys needed to fit that layout. If I went with the standard non-hotswap plate/PCB would it just fit a normal set of keys like I've highlighted in the image below?

      (Attachment Link)

      Yup, what you have highlighted is a standard ANSI layout and you would be able to use that layout with the universal plate and normal PCB

      Gotcha. So if I got the normal layout with hot swap PCB Iím out of luck for that standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 23 February 2019, 14:34:31
      Can anyone who ordered the hotswap plate help me out. I am trying to find a set of caps to go with this board but it seems like this layout is going to be a hard one to find something compatible. I am interested in getting this kit to match the /dev/tty set I have on my Novatouch but it doesn't seem like it has the keys needed to fit that layout. If I went with the standard non-hotswap plate/PCB would it just fit a normal set of keys like I've highlighted in the image below?

      (Attachment Link)

      Yup, what you have highlighted is a standard ANSI layout and you would be able to use that layout with the universal plate and normal PCB

      Gotcha. So if I got the normal layout with hot swap PCB Iím out of luck for that standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Hotswap PCB doesn't support the regular ANSI layout. I can swap the PCB for you if you want.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sat, 23 February 2019, 14:35:53
      Can anyone who ordered the hotswap plate help me out. I am trying to find a set of caps to go with this board but it seems like this layout is going to be a hard one to find something compatible. I am interested in getting this kit to match the /dev/tty set I have on my Novatouch but it doesn't seem like it has the keys needed to fit that layout. If I went with the standard non-hotswap plate/PCB would it just fit a normal set of keys like I've highlighted in the image below?

      (Attachment Link)

      Yup, what you have highlighted is a standard ANSI layout and you would be able to use that layout with the universal plate and normal PCB

      Gotcha. So if I got the normal layout with hot swap PCB Iím out of luck for that standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Hotswap PCB doesn't support the regular ANSI layout. I can swap the PCB for you if you want.

      That would be great, thanks! I will just learn to solder I guess.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 23 February 2019, 14:38:56
      Can anyone who ordered the hotswap plate help me out. I am trying to find a set of caps to go with this board but it seems like this layout is going to be a hard one to find something compatible. I am interested in getting this kit to match the /dev/tty set I have on my Novatouch but it doesn't seem like it has the keys needed to fit that layout. If I went with the standard non-hotswap plate/PCB would it just fit a normal set of keys like I've highlighted in the image below?

      (Attachment Link)

      Yup, what you have highlighted is a standard ANSI layout and you would be able to use that layout with the universal plate and normal PCB

      Gotcha. So if I got the normal layout with hot swap PCB Iím out of luck for that standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Hotswap PCB doesn't support the regular ANSI layout. I can swap the PCB for you if you want.

      That would be great, thanks! I will just learn to solder I guess.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Change confirmed.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sat, 23 February 2019, 14:40:07
      Can anyone who ordered the hotswap plate help me out. I am trying to find a set of caps to go with this board but it seems like this layout is going to be a hard one to find something compatible. I am interested in getting this kit to match the /dev/tty set I have on my Novatouch but it doesn't seem like it has the keys needed to fit that layout. If I went with the standard non-hotswap plate/PCB would it just fit a normal set of keys like I've highlighted in the image below?

      (Attachment Link)

      Yup, what you have highlighted is a standard ANSI layout and you would be able to use that layout with the universal plate and normal PCB

      Gotcha. So if I got the normal layout with hot swap PCB Iím out of luck for that standard layout?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Hotswap PCB doesn't support the regular ANSI layout. I can swap the PCB for you if you want.

      That would be great, thanks! I will just learn to solder I guess.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

      Change confirmed.

      Do I need to change the plate too?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Sat, 23 February 2019, 14:49:39

      Do I need to change the plate too?


      No worries. Your plate option was correct.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: F2F4 on Sun, 24 February 2019, 21:59:03
      Anyone selling their spots?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: yemeisong on Tue, 26 February 2019, 00:45:25
      any updates on manu?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: lukelex on Wed, 27 February 2019, 14:59:21
      I'm looking for a spot. HMU if you wanna get rid of yours. Got one
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: undecidedshark on Thu, 28 February 2019, 10:40:38
      I'm looking for a spot. HMU if you wanna get rid of yours.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fublamchu on Thu, 28 February 2019, 10:43:05
      HMU if youíve got a spot :)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: etong415 on Thu, 28 February 2019, 11:37:17
      @senter, would you happen to know if there is clearance between the PCB and the bottom case for a sheet of sorbothane? And if so, how thick?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Fri, 01 March 2019, 15:03:44
      @senter, would you happen to know if there is clearance between the PCB and the bottom case for a sheet of sorbothane? And if so, how thick?

      Sure. It's around 2.4mm.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Fri, 01 March 2019, 15:07:03
      (https://i.imgur.com/4h2U6xH.jpg)

      The prototypes of two versions of PCBs have all been finished. I'm going to place the final order. The final version will be in matte black color instead of green.

      The cases are still under manufacturing.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: nephlock on Fri, 01 March 2019, 15:09:16

      The prototypes of two versions of PCBs have all been finished. I'm going to place the final order. The final version will be in matte black color instead of green.

      The cases are still under manufacturing.

      This is great news! Thanks Senter!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: rope on Fri, 01 March 2019, 17:37:22
      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/4h2U6xH.jpg)


      The prototypes of two versions of PCBs have all been finished. I'm going to place the final order. The final version will be in matte black color instead of green.

      The cases are still under manufacturing.
      looks fantastic, thank you for the update senter! :D
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Fri, 01 March 2019, 22:20:42
      Saw the bottom PBC and got worried when I saw north facing LEDs, but then realized it was fixed layout (hotswap)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: Makish on Sun, 03 March 2019, 19:44:28
      Looking for a spot as well, HMU pls <3
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: gnhuy91 on Mon, 04 March 2019, 08:46:46
      If anyone got a PC WKL and would like to sell/trade with my eWhite WKL, HMU
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: evoluchanel on Wed, 06 March 2019, 00:50:16
      Sent a pm for an address change
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: fireworm on Mon, 11 March 2019, 13:11:24
      Any news / updates?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: ejewell89 on Mon, 11 March 2019, 18:55:36
      If anyone has a WKL PC and has decided they'd prefer a full PC, HMU. haha.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: yicaoyimu on Mon, 18 March 2019, 11:46:08
      Senter, do you have any update on the ETA?

      什么时候能发货?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: gnhuy91 on Tue, 19 March 2019, 23:44:51
      If anyone want to let go of their WKL PC, HMU. (can also trade with my ewhite WKL)
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: lanyusea on Wed, 20 March 2019, 05:18:12
      Senter, do you have any update on the ETA?

      什么时候能发货?

      April. for cn orders
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: aslanxdeft on Wed, 20 March 2019, 05:47:30


      Senter, do you have any update on the ETA?

      什么时候能发货?

      April. for cn orders
      I think april is ETA for all customers.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Wed, 20 March 2019, 07:29:24


      Senter, do you have any update on the ETA?

      什么时候能发货?

      April. for cn orders
      I think april is ETA for all customers.

      This
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: bengine on Wed, 20 March 2019, 07:32:59


      Senter, do you have any update on the ETA?

      什么时候能发货?

      April. for cn orders
      I think april is ETA for all customers.

      This
      Mid April or End April?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: thearctican on Wed, 20 March 2019, 08:37:09


      Senter, do you have any update on the ETA?

      什么时候能发货?

      April. for cn orders
      I think april is ETA for all customers.

      This
      Mid April or End April?
      Yes.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: nephlock on Wed, 20 March 2019, 12:46:06


      Senter, do you have any update on the ETA?

      什么时候能发货?

      April. for cn orders
      I think april is ETA for all customers.

      This
      Mid April or End April?

      Iím going with May, and being pleasantly surprised with anything earlier
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: senter on Fri, 22 March 2019, 20:14:54
      Current progress:


      Right now everything is going smoothly as expected. QC may take longer time than before as we get more orders this time. We won't rush it tho. The original ETA still looks good to me atm.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: etong415 on Fri, 22 March 2019, 20:16:40
      Current progress:

      • CNC: Top cases and plates are all finished. Bottom cases and weights are still under manufacturing. All parts should be finished by the end of this month or early April.
      • Finishes (sandblasting, E-coating, anodizing, PVD, MAO): will start after CNC are finished. The finishes will be applied in 4 different factories in parallel.
      • PCB: PCBs were a little delayed because I was considering to change the material to black core FR4 which is popular. I decide not to finally in case it will bottleneck the whole process.

      Right now everything is going smoothly as expected. QC may take longer time than before as we get more orders this time. We won't rush it tho. The original ETA still looks good to me atm.
      Thanks for the update, canít wait for it to ship


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: yicaoyimu on Fri, 22 March 2019, 20:53:23
      Current progress:

      • CNC: Top cases and plates are all finished. Bottom cases and weights are still under manufacturing. All parts should be finished by the end of this month or early April.
      • Finishes (sandblasting, E-coating, anodizing, PVD, MAO): will start after CNC are finished. The finishes will be applied in 4 different factories in parallel.
      • PCB: PCBs were a little delayed because I was considering to change the material to black core FR4 which is popular. I decide not to finally in case it will bottleneck the whole process.

      Right now everything is going smoothly as expected. QC may take longer time than before as we get more orders this time. We won't rush it tho. The original ETA still looks good to me atm.

      No reason to rush Senter. Thanks for the update!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Fri, 22 March 2019, 21:05:52
      What color will the PCB be?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: TheMastermind on Sat, 23 March 2019, 00:03:34
      What color will the PCB be?


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
      I don't think I'm 100% certain, but I think senter said yellow.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: rope on Sat, 23 March 2019, 06:15:59
      Current progress:

      • CNC: Top cases and plates are all finished. Bottom cases and weights are still under manufacturing. All parts should be finished by the end of this month or early April.
      • Finishes (sandblasting, E-coating, anodizing, PVD, MAO): will start after CNC are finished. The finishes will be applied in 4 different factories in parallel.
      • PCB: PCBs were a little delayed because I was considering to change the material to black core FR4 which is popular. I decide not to finally in case it will bottleneck the whole process.

      Right now everything is going smoothly as expected. QC may take longer time than before as we get more orders this time. We won't rush it tho. The original ETA still looks good to me atm.
      Sounds good, thanks for the update!
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: aslanxdeft on Sat, 23 March 2019, 08:25:10
      Will it be possible to buy an additional pcb even after the gb has ended?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: juaninamilli on Sat, 23 March 2019, 09:24:15
      He has mentioned before that there will be a few extras of items.
      Will it be possible to buy an additional pcb even after the gb has ended?
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: thearctican on Sat, 23 March 2019, 10:04:16
      He has mentioned before that there will be a few extras of items.
      Will it be possible to buy an additional pcb even after the gb has ended?
      Oh good. I'll want to snag another plate and pcb then.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: reidd on Sat, 23 March 2019, 11:32:33
      He has mentioned before that there will be a few extras of items.
      Will it be possible to buy an additional pcb even after the gb has ended?
      Oh good. I'll want to snag another plate and pcb then.

      Same here. Also, the final PCBS will be green I assume right.
      Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
      Post by: blizzara01 on Sat, 23 March 2019, 19:37:49
      He has mentioned before that there will be a few extras of items.
      Will it be possible to buy an additional pcb even after the gb has ended?
      Oh good. I'll want to snag another plate and pcb then.

      Same here. Also, the final PCBS will be green I assume right.
      From what I remember it will be black PCB.

      I hope we can order extra parts before the shipping of the kit to make it 1 shipping fee only.