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geekhack Marketplace => Group Buys and Preorders => Topic started by: hasu on Tue, 10 March 2015, 11:38:45

Title: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [RESTOCK Mar-01]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 10 March 2015, 11:38:45
TMK Alps64 PCB supports ALPS SKCM/SKCL and compatible switches and various layouts including old vintage keyboards, such as Apple Extended Keyboard, Dell/SGI 101 and more. You can harvest switches, keycaps and stabilizers from the old keyboards. And the PCB can be screwed down into de facto Poker compatible cases.

WIth this PCB you can make 60% keyboard from your favorite ALPS switches. This is my Alps64 with SKCM orange switches and AEK keycaps.
(http://i.imgur.com/dROBVcOh.jpg?2)

Original and technical discussion thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69666.0


Alps64 PCB
It looks like the below and curent revsion PCB color is black.
All SMT components are soldered, through-hole diodes(1N4148) come with the pcb and you have to solder them yourself, and swiches of course. See 'Assembly' section below.

(http://i.imgur.com/3tVMc1K.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/mZJXFFMh.jpg)



AEK layout Plate
You can use this plate instead of buthchered vintage AEK plate.
Its material is FR-4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR-4)(PCB substrate) and color is black. You can use keycaps and stabilizers from AEK(Apple Extended Keyboard) or AEKII with this plate.

Note that this plate supports only AEK US layout only. Current plate design(2018/05) supports also "flipped space bar" (https://imgur.com/a/qAFzUQB) and Dutch AEK space bar (https://imgur.com/a/gYJqo), see this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2604512#msg2604512).

(http://i.imgur.com/USXxjN2.jpg)

For other layouts than AEK check "Plate" section below.




Regular sale

I have a fair bit of raw pcbs and components in sotck and can put together them in good pace these days. Orders will be shipped within two weeks after payment basically, unless I get a pile of orders :D

The PCB and AEK plate are in stock on regular basis and you don't have to ask me about their availability. Status below will be updated if they are out of stock.

Status: Currently IN STOCK. Lead time is less than a week in most cases. 2019-03-01


To place order email me( hasu@tmk-kbd.com ) with "Alps64 Order" in subject and let me know number of PCB and/or plate. You don't have to PM me, you don't.

Price:
    Alps64 PCB: $44USD,
    AEK plate: $10USD($14 when ordering without Alps64 PCB)
Shipping:
    $6USD for world-wide shipping. Always 6USD for any number of PCB/Plate.
Payment:
    I'll send you PayPal invoice, you can pay with credit card or balance of PayPal account.
    Please make sure you supply correct shipping address when making payment.



Shipping to CANADA: No problem. Very reliable and fast now. (2018-08-05)
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Sorry to say this but we had very long delay on delivery in Canada these days(April 2017) and it takes even two months occasionally when you suffer from bad luck. In the case of trouble you have to wait two months(plus a week) before having me issue fully refund. If you are in Canada consider using EMS for shipping method, which is traceable and very fast(3 days or so) but it costs 20USD instead of 6 :( Let me know if you want to use EMS.

That said, I'm happy to ship to Canada with regular shipping method(6USD) if you can understand the situation described above. I got very few orders from Canada after this delivery problem warning and had only three orders with regular shipping in last 6 months. All of those mails were delivered in a few weeks without severe delay.(while other 13 orders used EMS shipping.) I think normal shipping works in many cases unless you happen to have bad luck. (January 2018)








Update
Past:
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2015
03/23 Placed order ten PCBs
03/24 My order was accepted by PCB fab(In production)
03/24 Changed assembly fee $10 to $12
03/24 Sent Invoices to top nine of the list
03/25 Paid for all of nine slots!
04/05 Confimed AEK layout and Poker case work
04/05 Wrote firmware
04/16 invoiced for the rest of costs
05/25 Started second run
05/27 Found defect with ISO enter on Rev.A. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1759965#msg1759965) Fixed on Rev.B (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1760955#msg1760955).
06/02 Closed second run
06/16 Rev.B PCB arrived
06/25 Confirmed Infinity layout
06/26 Attached compiled binary of firmware
10/14 Rev.C PCB: adds support for Cherry stepped Capslock and moves some SMT diodes
11/08 TMK keymap editor for Alps64

2016
01/05 Update Assembly and add Check your PCB section
04/24 4th run
06/15 USB wakeup fix
06/06 5th run open
06/25 5th run close
07/15 6th run open
10/01 7th run open
11/17 7th run close

2017
01/07 8th run open
05/05 9th run
08/03 10th run
08/06 PCB Rev.F added pinouts for unused IO pins
09/03 PCB Rev.G
10/16 11th run
11/10 12th run
12/20 12th run: all orders were shipped


2018
01/13 13th round: open
02/16 13th round: close & shipped
03/19 Leftover sale
06/20 PCB Rev.H
09/04 PCB Rev.I
11/11 Revised prices

TODO
- Fix USB connector position a bit?(pending)
- Get feedback from revision A/B users and fix if needed
- Confirm case fitness
- Confirmed Layouts



Supported Layouts
Physically possible combination of any part from following layouts is supported.

AEK(Apple Extended Keyboard):
(http://i.imgur.com/s9YDucJ.png)

103:
(http://i.imgur.com/NXgaUvb.png)

104:
(http://i.imgur.com/fvhVJQD.png)

ISO:
(http://i.imgur.com/mTrTmou.png)

HHKB/Infinity:
(http://i.imgur.com/OpA0eeG.png)

BigAss:
(http://i.imgur.com/HIhCzNv.png)

See this for details and examples.
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- Top right
  - Backspace(2)  OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1739154#msg1739154)
  - HHKB like Split Backspace(1+1) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1737553#msg1737553)
- Bottom row
  - AEK(1.5+1.25+1.5 spc6.5 1.5+1.25+1.5) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1706097#msg1706097)
  - 101/103(1.5+1+1.5 spc7 1.5+1+1.5) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1737553#msg1737553)
  - 104(1.25+1.25+1.25 spc6.25 1.25+1.25+1.25+1.25) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1739154#msg1739154) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1796611#msg1796611)(Dell AT101W)
  - Infinity(1.5+1+1.5 spc 1.5+1+1+1.5) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1786642#msg1786642)
  - Split/Erase Eaze Not supported
  - JIS Not supported
- Enter
  - US OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1706097#msg1706097)  OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1739154#msg1739154)
  - ISO NG with Matias (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1759965#msg1759965)  Fixed on Rev.B (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1760955#msg1760955)  OK(Rev.B) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1899589#msg1899589)
  - Bigass OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1899589#msg1899589)
- Left Shift
  - US(2.25) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1706097#msg1706097)
  - ISO(1.25+1) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1737553#msg1737553)
- Right Shift
  - US(2.75) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1706097#msg1706097)
  - HHKB like Shift + Fn(1.75+1) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1737553#msg1737553) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1786642#msg1786642)
  - JIS Shift(1+1.75) Not supported
- Caps Lock
  - Non Stepped OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1706097#msg1706097)
  - Stepped(Alps 1.5) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1739154#msg1739154)
  - Stepped(Cherry or 1.25u)

ISO Enter Support:
    ISO Enter key can be used in Rev.B and later revision. The PCB supports three mount positions, 1u, 1.25u and 1.5u. See pictures and figure below. Matias has 1.25u mount, Dell and Alps have 1.5u mount and ISO Enter with 1u mount is not confirmed its existence yet. By the way, Cherry ISO key is also located in middle of 1.25u as Matias does. AEK ISO layout is not supported, which is different size from standard ISO layout.

    keycap from Matias
        https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1760105#msg1760105
        http://i.imgur.com/tiPWImU.png
    keycap from NEC Rakuraku keyboard(Alps)
        https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1760805#msg1760805
        http://i.imgur.com/YKIbKlrl.jpg
    keycap from Dell AT102W
        https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1761095#msg1761095
        https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69740.0;attach=101849;image

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       ------- -------
      |       |       |
      |   +   |   +   | 1u
      |       |   |   |
       ------- -------
            |     |   |
            |    +|   | 1.25u
            |    ||   |
            `---------'
          |      ||   |
          |     +||   | 1.5u
          |     |||   |
          `-----------'
          .-----------, 1.5u
          |     |||   |
          |     |||   |
           `    +++   |
            |         |
            |         |
            `---------' 1.25u

Caveat: AEK ISO layout is not supported, which is different size from standard ISO layout.



Supported Cases
KBC Poker compatible cases

    - Poker X original plastic case OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1706097#msg1706097) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1737553#msg1737553)
    - Pure CNC metal OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1743554#msg1743554)
    - Poker II OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1761024#msg1761024)
    - Pok3r OK? (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1977735#msg1977735) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2261455#msg2261455)
    - KBP V60(Not supported) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1792742#msg1792742) NG (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1829423#msg1829423) NG (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1830205#msg1830205) PCB tab under USB connector interferes
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To install this PCB into KBP V60 case you have to file case or PCB. See https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1830205#msg1830205 and https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1830293#msg1830293

    - Other custome cases
        - Hammer Alu OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1761024#msg1761024)
        - TEX aluminum case OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1794009#msg1794009) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1795139#msg1795139) but some diodes may interfere with thick PCB supports of the case, perhaps you need this trick (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1794586#msg1794586) in that case.
        - TEX acrylic case OK (http://deskthority.net/photos-f62/blue-alps-60-t11446.html#p250710)
        - IQUNIX LAMBO OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2212858#msg2212858) but it may make short circuit.




Plate
Open source CAD files of plate are available here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.msg2201282#msg2201282). You can order a plate using these CAD file instead you cut down plate of vintage keyboard. Plate thickness for Alps switch should be 1.0-1.2mm according to its spec.


My latest AEK layout plate design files are available here. Use 'alps64_plate_aek_flip_spacebar.dxf' to order from laser shop.
https://github.com/tmk/alps64_plate/tree/plate_aek_flip_spacebar


Seems that many have used lasergist.com (http://lasergist.com) recently(around 46 70USD for AEK plate) but any other laser cut service will work.
Other alternative would be laserboost.com (http://laserboost.com) of Spain, which has 1.2mm thick from the beginning. They require 37 €(44USD) for the plate, see this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2636469#msg2636469).
(2018-07-17)


How to make your own plate data
TBD.

Layouts on keyboard-layout-editor.com
AEK layout (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=%0Adelete%3B&@_w:1.5%3B&=%0Atab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=%0Alock%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Acaps&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=%0Areturn%3B&@_w:2.25%3B&=%0Ashift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2.75%3B&=%0Ashift%3B&@_w:1.5%3B&=%0Acontrol&_w:1.25%3B&=alt%0Aoption&_w:1.25&w2:1.5%3B&=%0A%E2%8C%98&_x:0.25&a:7&w:6.5%3B&=&_a:4&w:1.5%3B&=%0A%E2%8C%98&_w:1.25%3B&=alt%0Aoption&_w:1.5%3B&=%0Acontrol)

Swill's Plate tool builder
http://builder.swillkb.com/


Firmware

TMK keymap editor for Alps64
You can edit keymap and download firmware without compiling here.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/unimap/?alps64

For example HHKB like keymap: https://bit.ly/2JP24u6

(http://i.imgur.com/d8weULJ.png)


Source code
You can also build firmware yourself from souce code, of course.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/tree/master/keyboard/alps64

To comipile your firmware consult with TMK documentations and resources. See this for building firmware from source code first.
 https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki#build-firmware


Mechanical Locking Switch Support
Alps64 firmware is built with enabling those options by default. For Caps Lock key just use 'KC_LCAP' instead of 'KC_CAPS' in Keymap Editor or your keymap code, for example.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/#mechanical-locking-support



Check your PCB
Test your PCB before you start assembling. If you assemble it without this test and it doesn't work it could be very difficult to discrimitate between PCB's fault and yours.
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1. Plug into USB port
You will see LED on bottom side flashes at startup. And it will be enumerated as a keyboard device by your OS.
 
In Windows you will find a entry like 'HID Keyboard Device' whose hardware id is like 'VID_FEED&PID_6464' in Device Manager.
(http://i.imgur.com/u9nYiUil.png)
 
In Linux you will find a line like below in output of 'lsusb'
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    $ lsusb
    ...
    Bus 001 Device 050: ID feed:6464
    ...
 
and lines like below in log file such as /var/log/kern.log(ubuntu).
 
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    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305237.996043] usb 1-1.3.1: new full-speed USB device number 52 using ehci-pci
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.090594] usb 1-1.3.1: New USB device found, idVendor=feed, idProduct=6464
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.090607] usb 1-1.3.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.090613] usb 1-1.3.1: Product: Alps64
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.090619] usb 1-1.3.1: Manufacturer: TMK
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.093405] input: TMK Alps64 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3.1/1-1.3.1:1.0/0003:FEED:6464.008F/input/input121
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.148208] hid-generic 0003:FEED:6464.008F: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [TMK Alps64] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1.3.1/input0
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.150044] input: TMK Alps64 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3.1/1-1.3.1:1.1/0003:FEED:6464.0090/input/input122
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.204289] hid-generic 0003:FEED:6464.0090: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [TMK Alps64] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1.3.1/input1
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.206226] input: TMK Alps64 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3.1/1-1.3.1:1.2/0003:FEED:6464.0091/input/input123
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.260781] hid-generic 0003:FEED:6464.0091: input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.11 Device [TMK Alps64] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1.3.1/input2
    Jan  4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.263008] hid-generic 0003:FEED:6464.0092: hiddev0,hidraw3: USBHID v1.11 Device [TMK Alps64] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1.3.1/input3

2. Open Notepad and make short circuit on a key
Connect pads of K01 and D01 with tweezer or papler clip like pic below. You will see 'm' is registered on Notepad. This indicates your PCB is likely to work well.
(http://i.imgur.com/oaxZmrBl.jpg)
 
 
If your PCB doesn't work as described above it may have fault, post your problem in this thread.




Assembly
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See BlueNalgene's this post also.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg1991884#msg1991884

1. Diode polarity
Diode has polarity and won't work if you solder it reversely. Diode has two leads, cathode and anode,  you can discrimitate them by cathode mark on it. Black marking side of diode is cathode lead and cathode should be soldered on square land while anode on round land.
(http://i.imgur.com/mhQrQXkh.jpg)

2. Soldering diodes
Don't solder diodes all at once, you should assemble some and test them at first to avoid losing your time in vain.
 
Solder just a few diodes and check if they work correctly by short circuit like pic below. You will see the key only is registered on your OS, use Notepad, or tools like AquaKeyTest, EK SwitchHitter or xev.

AquaKeyTest: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34670.msg641440#msg641440
EK SwitchHitter: https://elitekeyboards.com/switchhitter.php
xev: http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.7/doc/man/man1/xev.1.xhtml

(http://i.imgur.com/nHHqDlLl.jpg)

Of course, you should plug off PCB before soldering :D
 

SMT diode
You can use SMT(SMD) diodes instead of through hole(TH) devices. Its footprint is SOD123, I tested PCB with DIODES inc. 1N4148W.

Some cases have thick PCB supports(standoffs and beams?) which interfere with some of TH diodes and make short circuit. To avoid this you can use SMT diodes for them(D00, D10, D20, D22, D23, D24, D25, D26, D27, D30, D31, D36, D55, D63, D65, D70, D73). And you will have to tape on TH pads to prevent from shortcircuit.



3. Soldering switches
Again, don't solder switches all at once, you should test them occasionally during assembly. At this point testing is easy, just plug in, press a switch and see with one of softwares above.


4. Test all swtiches
After assembly is completed check if all switches work correctly with default firmware. Don't program controller with your firmware and don't change keymap until this test is finished. Your own firmware or keymap will make test/debug process difficult.




Program Controller
To enter programming mode(start DFU bootloader) hook up to USB port and press tiny push button on bottom side of PCB.

Consult with this wiki page to flash firmware.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki#flash-firmware




PCB Design Files
PCB is designed by KiCad. Design files are available here, you can check them to see its dimension and electric schematic.

https://github.com/tmk/alps64




Past Rounds
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First Run: Done
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Price:
Raw PCB: $10
Components(optional): $8
Assembly fee(optional): $10 $12(03/24)
Shipping: $8

Components include micro controller, USB connector, x'tal, resistors, capacitors and diodes.
Assembly service solders components on PCB excluding diodes, the axial diodes unsoldered are sent. You have to solder diodes yourself.


Procedure:
0. I'll order 10 PCBs to manufacturer in a few week.[DONE 03/23]
1. You pay $10 just for PCB(before I receive PCB)[DONE 03/25]
2. I check if the PCB works once I get them.[DONE 04/05]
3a. if it works you pay for shipping, components(optional) and assembly fee(optional).
3b. if it doesn't work you have to give up your $10.
4. Solder components[DONE]
4.9 You pay the rest of costs[DONE]
5. I ship out PCBs.[DONE 04/22]


Your risk: If produced PCB doesn't work you have to ditch you money($10). (I can still send the unusable PCB to you.)

Free free to ask your question.


First Run Risktakers:
Thanks a lot!
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                                                    Paid         
                                                    -------------   
Name            Order                   Invoiced    PCB     Rest    Shipped delivered
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nubbinator      1   assembled           03/24       03/24   04/16   04/17   04/23     
Applet          1   assembled           03/24       03/24   04/17   04/17   04/22     
CPTBaddAss      1   assembled           03/24       03/25   04/18   04/20   04/27     
jdcarpe         1   assembled           03/24       03/24   04/17   04/17   04/25     
BunnyLake       1   assembled           03/24       03/24   04/21   04/22             
FrostyToast     1   assembled           03/24       03/24   04/16   04/17   04/27     
DanielT         1   assembled           03/24       03/24   04/16   04/17             
mashby          1   assembled           03/24       03/24   04/17   04/17   04/22     
lishi           1   assembled           03/24       03/24   04/16   04/17   04/27



Second Run: Done
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To order PM me and let me know number of PCB you will take. Later I will send you PM about payment.
Please check the first post of the thread again before you order, in particular 'Caveat' section.


Price
Assembled PCB: $35
    includes unsoldered diodes(through hole device). You have to solder the diodes(and switches, of course) yourself.
    All SMT components except for the diodes are soldered on PCB by me.
   
UnAssembled PCB: $22
    This includes blank/empty PCB and compoenents including diodes. You have to solder all components yourself.
   
Raw PCB: $12
    Just blank/empty PCB only.

 
Shipping: $10   $8.5 + $1.5 * (# of PCB)
    Registered air mail with insurance. It takes 7-10 days to most of countries   
    If you order two PCBs add $2.    Add $1.5 per PCB to base cost $8.5.
    Note that shipping cost for a PCB is $10, not $8.5.
 
For example,
    One Assembled PCB: 35+10=45                                                   
    Two Assembled PCB: 35*2+10+2=82 35*2 + 8.5 + 1.5*2 = 81.5


What you will get:
(http://i.imgur.com/LuiL4RM.jpg?1)


Caveat
- PCB design is not changed, quite same as first run(Rev.A). Changed to fix ISO enter problem (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1760955#msg1760955) and PCB is Rev.B now.
- Assembled PCB are soldered all electric components except for diodes and swtiches.
- You'll get unsoldered diodes(around 70) if you order 'Assembled PCB'. Diodes are for Through Hole, not for Surface Mount.
- Raw PCB($12) is available but components are not. Please buy them from digikey, mouser or etc. and you can take components for $10.
- Confirmed the PCB fits into Poker X, Poker II, Hammer Alu and Pure CNC case, but unclear about other cases including Pok3r and V60 at this time. See TODO section below.
- Most of layouts are confirmed but 'Infinity bottom row' and 'bigass enter' are not tried yet. See TODO section below.
- Order will be prioritized depending on the list.


Time line
2015/05/End Order PCB 2015/06/04 Ordered PCB
2015/06/Mid Assembly 06/16 PCB arrived and start assembly process
2015/06/End Shipping 06/25 Shipped all orders



Order List
Second run:
Quote

Name            Order                   Paid    Addr    Shipped Delivered
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
ninjadoc        2   05/25   Ass         05/30   Y       06/22   06/30
spoonypirate    1   05/25   Ass         06/01   Y       06/22   06/26
U47             1*  05/28   UnAss       06/01   y       06/25   07/06
jevvix          3*  05/26   Raw         05/31   Y       06/25   07/02
Karura          1   05/25   Ass         06/01   Y       06/25   06/29
njbair          1   05/26   Ass         06/01   Y       06/22   06/30
ctm             1   05/25   Ass         05/30   Y       06/25   07/07
Hzza            2   05/25   Ass         05/30   Y       06/22   OK   
jou             2*  05/26   UnAss       05/30   Y       06/25   06/30
henz            1   05/25   Ass         05/31   Y       06/25   07/02
echo0           2   05/25   Ass         05/30   Y       06/22   06/29
rsadek          4*  05/26   2Ass+2UnAss 05/31   Y       06/22   OK   
CommonCurt      1   05/26   Ass         05/31   Y       06/25   07/01
a-c             2   05/26   Ass         05/30   Y       06/22   06/25
lishi           1   05/26   Ass         05/30   Y       06/25   07/27
badboybry9000   1   05/26   Ass         06/01   Y       06/25   07/01
wakko           1   05/26   Ass         05/31   Y       06/22   06/27
limster         1   05/27   Ass         06/01   Y       06/25   06/30
sprit           2*  05/27   Raw         05/30   y       06/25   07/03
Pyrelink        1   05/27   Ass         05/30   Y       06/22   06/30
BlueBär         1   05/28   Ass         06/02   Y       06/25   OK
jdcarpe         1   05/28   Ass         06/02   y       06/25   07/01
wazup           1   05/29   Ass         05/31   Y       06/22   07/07
RickyJ          1   05/29   Ass         05/30   Y       06/22   07/07
trizkut         2   05/31   Ass         05/31   Y       06/22   07/01
cheddarbek      1   06/02   Ass         06/02   Y       06/25   07/09
cuirc           1   06/04   Ass         06/04   Y       06/25   07/01
Frizer          1   06/07   Ass         06/07   Y       06/25   06/30
Synjin          2   06/08   Ass         06/08   Y       06/25   07/02
SJHL            1   06/12   Ass         06/12   Y       06/25   07/03
apathy3cs       1   06/15   Raw         06/15   y       06/25   07/03             
----                       
Total 31 orders, 44 PCB(ASSY: 33 UNASSY: 5 RAW: 6)


Leftover sale:                                                           
Name            Order                   Paid    Addr    Shipped Delivered
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
kennardsmith    07/23                   07/23   Y       07/24           
AKmalamute      07/23                   07/24   Y       07/24           
punkpc          07/23   invoced 07/23   07/24   Y       07/27           
sean            07/24                   07/25   Y       07/27           



BlueNalgene's GB
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At this moment I don't know when next round starts but I made Google form for interest check.

Fill in the form if you are interested in next round of this PCB and don't want to check this thread periodically. I'll let you know via PM when it starts. You don't necessarily have to fill the form to get PCB, use it if you need notice from me.
http://goo.gl/forms/8f8RcZICuk

Also check this IC by BlueNalgene.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74524.0


BlueNalgene's GB starts now. 2015/09/25
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.0


Thanks



4th Run: Done
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2150471#msg2150471


5th Run(2016/06/06)
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19 PCBs are available from this run. PCBs and all components are already stocked and assembly will start in a few days.

Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com to place order, let me know number of PCB and your paypal account if different from your email. Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email. You'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account.

Pirce: $38USD per PCB
World wide shipping and Paypal fee: $10(add $2.5 per extra PCB)

It will be shipped within two weeks after payment.

06/18 8 boards are still available.
06/23 3 boards are still available.
06/25 all board's gone. Thank you.



6th Run                
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Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com to place order, let me know number of PCB and your paypal account if different from your email. Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email. You'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account.
       
It will be shipped in a week or two after payment.
       
Thanks,

       
Alps64 PCB:
You can get a PCB or two.                       
       
Price: $40USD                                   
Shipping: $10USD(add $2.5 per extra PCB) for world-wide shipping                                 
       
       
AEK plates:                               
Only 10 plates are available.                   
       
This plate is made with 1.2mm thick PCB/FR-4, not metal. It is not as firm as steel plate but it works. Its color is black. These are made by cheap PCB house in China, every plate has scratches, burrs or slight cosmetic imperfections. I think PCB plate works in the end but this idea is sitll experimental and not established nor reviewed in the community yet. Get a metal plate somehow if you want to avoid unexpected defect.
       
You can add this plate to your order for $10 optionally. So PCB and plate cost $60USD(40+10+10) in total. At this time you cannot order only this plate without Alps64 PCB, sorry.                 
       
See links below for pics and info.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.msg2218108#msg2218108
http://imgur.com/a/ZEg96/all




7th Run 2016/Oct
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Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com to place order, let me know number of PCB and your paypal account if different from your email. Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email. You'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account.
       
batch.1 will start shipping around Oct 14.
batch.2 will start shipping around Oct 31.

Update:
Oct 11: All PCBs from batch.1 were claimed.
Oct 11: Started shipping PCBs from batch.1.
Nov 01: Closed batch.2 and leftover sale starts.  Price is revised.
Nov 17: All leftovers had gone.


And PCB color is now green.
(http://i.imgur.com/E0Ni0iYl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/E0Ni0iY.jpg)
       
Alps64 PCB:       
Price: $45USD                                   
Shipping: $10USD(add $4 per extra PCB) for world-wide shipping                                           

For example, it costs $55 for a PCB and $104 for two.

Thanks,


8th Run 2017/Jan
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Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com to place order, let me know number of PCB and your paypal account if different from your email. Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email. You'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account. PM may not work for this GB, use email instead.

Schedule:
Batch.1: will be shipped until end fo January.(All gone as of 01/17)
Batch.2: will be shipped until mid of Feb.(Gone as of 02/06)
Leftovers: will be available later.

Thanks


Update:
Jan  7: Opened
Jan 17: Update for second batch
Jan 20: Shipping of Batch.2 was started.
Feb  6: Closed Batch.2
Feb  9: Shipped all orders of Batch.2
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All orders were shipped as of Feb 10, if you don't receive tracking number email me.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2359471#msg2359471

Feb 20: Leftover sale


Alps64 PCB:       
Price: $42USD                                   
Shipping: $10USD(add $4 per extra PCB) for world-wide shipping                                           

For example, it costs $52 for a PCB and $98 for two.



You will get:
PCB: Components are already soldered except for diodes
Diodes: 65-70pcs 1N4148(through hole device)

The latest revision PCB color is green now.
(http://i.imgur.com/E0Ni0iYl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/E0Ni0iY.jpg)


9th Run 2017/May
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Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com with "Alps64 GB" in subject to place order and just let me know number of PCB(1 or 2). Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email, you'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account. Your shipping address should be supplied in Paypal form when payment.

PM may not work for this GB, use email instead.

 If you are in a hurry you can get leftover from previous round, pcb revision is identical to 9th one. See below.

Update
2017/05/31 closed.
2017/06/05 started shipping earlier. All orders will be posted within two weeks.

Schedule:
2017/05/31 close
2017/06/19 start shipping

Cost:
Price: $42USD                                   
Shipping: $10USD(add $4 per extra PCB) for world-wide shipping                                           
It costs $52 for a PCB or $98 for two.

You will get:
PCB: Components are already soldered except for diodes
Diodes: 65-70pcs 1N4148(through hole device)

The latest revision PCB color is green now.
(http://i.imgur.com/E0Ni0iYl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/E0Ni0iY.jpg)

Thanks


10th GB 2017/Aug
All oders were shipped  and  GB ended now. (09/21)

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Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com with "Alps64 GB" in subject to place order and just let me know number of PCB/Plate. Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email, you'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account. Your shipping address should be supplied in Paypal form when payment.

PM may not work for this GB, use email instead.


Cost
Price:
    Alps64 PCB: $46USD,
    AEK plate: $12USD($16 when ordering without Alps64)
Shipping:
    $6USD for world-wide shipping. Always 6USD for any number of PCB/Plate.
    (This is shipped form Tokyo, Japan, btw)

You will get
PCB and didodes: Components are already soldered on PCB(except for diodes). You will receive diodes(65-70pcs 1N4148, through hole components) and have to solder them yourself.


Schedule
2017/08/30 close
2017/09/15 start shipping



[GB] Update

PCB have  breakouts for the three unused pins(C4, C6, C7) from current GB like pic below. PCB color is black in the GB.
See this suggestion for the breakouts: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2470779#msg2470779
(http://i.imgur.com/dXCT2Db.png)

Also FR-4(PCB substrate material) plate for AEK layout is available. Its thickness is 1.2mm as spec and color is black too.
It costs 12USD when buying with Alps64 PCB or 16USD when getting only plate without Alps64.
(http://i.imgur.com/u9Rf2D7.png)

Some earlier? revision of AEK(M0115) seems to has different stab location from other AEK and AEKII(M3501) according to this thread and won't fits on this plate. If you have plan to use stabs from M0115 you will have to check. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2470779#msg2470779


Black Alps64PCB/AEK Plate looks like this actually, not matte black.
(http://i.imgur.com/vDepcqb.jpg)
http://imgur.com/a/IebXW

Thank you



Alps64 PCB of UK GB(2017/04)
Some pcbs were available from leftover sale at point of 2017/09
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NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE.
The PCB looks like pic below.
Differences from the latest 10th GB(2017/08) PCB are:
1) It has Alps logo instead of TMK logo.
2) It has no breakout pads for unused pins(C4, C6, C7).

(http://i.imgur.com/Bb5H3pl.png)

This pcb was designed for 'UK GB' organized by /u/Ak_xf1re
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboardsUK/comments/66oh4m/gb_uk_hasu_controllers_pcbs_group_buy/


PreOrder 13th GB
CLOSED All paid orders were shipped. (2018/02/16)

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Next batch of the pcb will be shipped until end of February.

To place order email me( hasu@tmk-kbd.com ) with "Alps64 GB" in subject and let me know number of PCB and/or plate.

Thank you,
(updated at 2018/01/13)



Price:
    Alps64 PCB: $46USD,
    AEK plate: $12USD($16 when ordering without Alps64 PCB)
Shipping:
    $6USD for world-wide shipping. Always 6USD for any number of PCB/Plate.
Payment:
    I'll send you PayPal invoice, you can pay with credit card or balance of PayPal account.
    Please make sure you supply correct shipping address when making payment.


Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 10 March 2015, 12:00:25
I'm in for one with components assembled.  I figure that at the very least, you should be able to cut some traces and make it work with a teensy if it's totally borked.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 10 March 2015, 12:01:39
I'm in for one with components, assembled.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 10 March 2015, 12:11:46
im in for one with components assembled as well as 1 raw pcb
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 10 March 2015, 12:14:34
I'll be in for one with all SMD components soldered.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 10 March 2015, 12:35:55
Interested in one with all components soldered
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 10 March 2015, 13:05:47
I have a request hasu, would it be possible to add MX support as well, so that one can use both switches on the same board.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: mashby on Tue, 10 March 2015, 13:15:53
I'm in for one with SMD components installed as well.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Tue, 10 March 2015, 13:34:25
In for 2 AEK completely assembled
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 10 March 2015, 13:44:04
In for 2 AEK completely assembled

Just to make sure you understand the mini-buy since you're requesting AEK fully assembled, the PCB supports several layouts.  The assembled is the PCB with SMD work done.  You will still need to provide the plate, switches, and caps and solder the diodes.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Tue, 10 March 2015, 13:45:51
In for 2 AEK completely assembled

Just to make sure you understand the mini-buy since you're requesting AEK fully assembled, the PCB supports several layouts.  The assembled is the PCB with SMD work done.  You will still need to provide the plate, switches, and caps and solder the diodes.

Yup, that's exactly what I want lol
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Stabilized on Tue, 10 March 2015, 14:03:35
I am in for one with components, fully assembled.
Been looking for something like this for a while!  :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 10 March 2015, 14:17:08
In for 2 AEK completely assembled

Just to make sure you understand the mini-buy since you're requesting AEK fully assembled, the PCB supports several layouts.  The assembled is the PCB with SMD work done.  You will still need to provide the plate, switches, and caps and solder the diodes.

Yup, that's exactly what I want lol

Ok, good.  I've seen people who had weird expectations before and wanted to make sure you didn't think you' be getting a fully assembled board.

And it looks like with yours we hit 9 and Stabilized we hit 10.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 10 March 2015, 14:19:41
I'm in for one with all components soldeed
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: limitz on Tue, 10 March 2015, 14:28:41
I'm in with all components soldered.

Next project should be a TKL ALPS PCB board compatible with Filco/WASD cases.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: pasph on Tue, 10 March 2015, 14:48:50
I'm in with all components soldered.

Next project should be a TKL ALPS PCB board compatible with Filco/WASD cases.
This
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 10 March 2015, 15:30:46
Anyone want to step up and run a plate GB for these?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Tue, 10 March 2015, 16:51:40
I'm in for one "Raw PCB"
EDIT: Oh, you already hit 10, never mind then :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 10 March 2015, 16:56:40
Anyone want to step up and run a plate GB for these?

If it can be made at BigBlueSaw and swill's plate configurator works right, I'd be willing to run it.  Otherwise it would probably be too expensive locally since I'm in California. 
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 10 March 2015, 16:57:41
Anyone want to step up and run a plate GB for these?

If it can be made at BigBlueSaw and swill's plate configurator works right, I'd be willing to run it.  Otherwise it would probably be too expensive locally since I'm in California. 

His tool doesn't have Alps stabilizer holes. But that's not a problem. I can design the plates.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: bueller on Tue, 10 March 2015, 17:31:19
Count me in for one plus assembly.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 10 March 2015, 17:45:01
Anyone want to step up and run a plate GB for these?

If it can be made at BigBlueSaw and swill's plate configurator works right, I'd be willing to run it.  Otherwise it would probably be too expensive locally since I'm in California. 

His tool doesn't have Alps stabilizer holes. But that's not a problem. I can design the plates.

Alright, you design the plates and I can run the GB and get them cut through BBS.  I'll probably look into local powder coaters and see what kind of pricing we can get there unless people would prefer aluminum.  I could probably do it even cheaper locally if people wanted wood or acrylic plates.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 10 March 2015, 18:09:48
Anyone want to step up and run a plate GB for these?

If it can be made at BigBlueSaw and swill's plate configurator works right, I'd be willing to run it.  Otherwise it would probably be too expensive locally since I'm in California. 

His tool doesn't have Alps stabilizer holes. But that's not a problem. I can design the plates.

Alright, you design the plates and I can run the GB and get them cut through BBS.  I'll probably look into local powder coaters and see what kind of pricing we can get there unless people would prefer aluminum.  I could probably do it even cheaper locally if people wanted wood or acrylic plates.
So, I was thinking. For salvaged keycaps, you can always just cut the plate from the old keyboard, as suggested in the OP. Should we make a plate with Alps holes and Costar stabilizers, to be used with keycaps from SP? Would there be enough demand to run a GB for a custom Alps keyset to go with these?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 10 March 2015, 18:58:34
There could be.  I could also offer to do my MX to Alps convertors with it (once I confirm they work that is).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 10 March 2015, 19:09:12
Thanks a lot for your interesting, guys!

I'll check my design again thoroughly and confirm PCB manufacture can accept the desgin before order our PCBs. My concern is that some pads are overwraped at bottom row and some cheap manufacturer may reject them. Once my design is acceped I'll send invoice($10 for raw PCB) to you on the list until they are paid for 9 PCBs. (I'll take one at least, of course :D )

EDIT: remove list. see first post.


And plate GB is great idea! My original problem was source of keycaps, stablizers and mouning plate when I planed my ALPS 60% keyboard. Making good ol' AEK victim for these is my crude solution. But cutting plate is no easy task in particular with hand saw, it took half a day for me to cut AEK plate into 60% :D It was ridiculously time consuming job! If newly designed plate is available it would be way better. Let me know if I can help.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Tue, 10 March 2015, 20:22:47
Well I was going to butcher my AEKII but if we're making AEKII plates, I'm totally in for two of those too!   :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: rand77 on Tue, 10 March 2015, 20:27:25
Please add me to the list for 1 unassembled PCB with components.  :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: swill on Tue, 10 March 2015, 21:32:41
Anyone want to step up and run a plate GB for these?

If it can be made at BigBlueSaw and swill's plate configurator works right, I'd be willing to run it.  Otherwise it would probably be too expensive locally since I'm in California. 

His tool doesn't have Alps stabilizer holes. But that's not a problem. I can design the plates.
If you can help me figure out the specs for the alps stab holes I can add support for them.  I wanted to add them, but I didn't know the spec to draw them.

Doesn't have to be for this buy, but I would like to add that support.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 11 March 2015, 08:36:49
Just saw this thread. I'd be interested in an assembled PCB if they're still available :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Wed, 11 March 2015, 14:10:33
If possible, I'd like (out of laziness) change "Raw PCB" to "Assembled" :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Wed, 11 March 2015, 15:16:16
I would be interested in this GB as well! For both PCB and plate.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Thu, 12 March 2015, 20:02:34
So has anyone independently validated the pcb design?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 12 March 2015, 20:11:35
Hasu, can I ask where would you recommend finding alps switches in Japan? Is Yahoo Auctions the only place?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Fri, 13 March 2015, 05:01:29
Design review by others is really appreciated.
I'm cross-checking dimension with using Poker compatible PCB designs like GH60 and Infinity. Any other designs publicly avaialable?

stoic-lemon, you are right. Actually Yahoo is the only source.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cgbuen on Fri, 13 March 2015, 05:22:32
Interested in 1 assembled!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ramnes on Fri, 13 March 2015, 06:45:15
AEK ISO  :'(
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ramnes on Fri, 13 March 2015, 06:45:26
AEK ISO  :'(
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: bueller on Sat, 14 March 2015, 12:37:24
Any chance we could get stepped caps lock support? Specifically for supporting Silicon Graphics dyesub sets.

(http://i.imgur.com/sLR52.jpg)
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/9/96/Sgi_granite_203.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 14 March 2015, 17:46:04
Thanks for photos. I'll add support to stepped caps lock.

I didn't know ALPS keyboard has stepped key. Good to know.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: joey on Sat, 14 March 2015, 17:51:02
hasu, I'm confused by the PCB!

How many rows/columns are there? There seem to be 8 pins for columns and 8 pins for rows, at least that's how they're named. Some of the "rows" seemed to be connected to seemingly "random" switches.

What am I missing?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 14 March 2015, 18:04:15
I named this PCB alps64. This indicates 64 keys on 8x8 matrix.

Reason why I use this is just I feel like
it is beautiful in comparison to others like 5x15 matrix ;D


Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 14 March 2015, 18:07:36
You are not missing anything and I think you understand it correctly. You don't need to be confused :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: joey on Sat, 14 March 2015, 18:22:57
haha thanks hasu, I missed the '64'!

I think it's also because this is a staggered layout, the 'columns' are not so obvious, compared to a grid layout! (like http://i.imgur.com/HZR7FtY.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/HZR7FtY.jpg))
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 14 March 2015, 18:59:18
hasu does with 16 pins what takes most people 20!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: bueller on Sat, 14 March 2015, 20:31:28
Thanks for photos. I'll add support to stepped caps lock.

I didn't know ALPS keyboard has stepped key. Good to know.

Thanks! Looking forward to this :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Thechemist on Sat, 14 March 2015, 23:47:35
Can I get one raw pcb with components.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jacobolus on Sun, 15 March 2015, 01:33:00
Problem with Alps and stepped caps lock is that with various keyboards there are like 3 different step sizes.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 15 March 2015, 02:58:36
Can you remember those specific keyboards? Or links to photo would be very helpful.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 15 March 2015, 03:07:00
Thechemist, thanks for your interest.
I don't know if you can get PCB,  but  added to the list.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: rsadek on Sun, 15 March 2015, 04:27:23
I'm also interested in one, assembled; if I'm not too late!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: do_Og@n on Sun, 15 March 2015, 04:37:42
I would love two assembled...hopefully I'm not late to the party too.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nandop on Sun, 15 March 2015, 04:51:16
If possible, I would like on assembled. Will there be Poker 2 compatible plates at some point as well or anywhere I can get such a thing?  :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cuirc on Sun, 15 March 2015, 14:51:05
This is exactly what I've been looking for. I'd be in for one assembled! Thanks :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 17 March 2015, 00:15:51
I updated design and this will be final hopefully. I'm inquiring a PCB manufacturer whether my design can be acceptable to their service. I'll order it if they say ok.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 17 March 2015, 00:31:41
So, if the chart in OP is correct, my order would bring it to a round 20?

In a year I'm going to regret doing this but ... I'm going to request one. PCB only, I've got all the components here.

Since I just barely hopped off the fence and am now leaning against it, if it would be easier to ignore my order instead, I'd accept that too.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 17 March 2015, 00:50:05
FWIW, the Dell AT101W (and likely AT101 and SGI AT101) use a stepped lock key that's "1.5x key with a .25x step on the side" for positioning.  Some old Acer boards with compatible keycaps also use this position, and I also got this size on a Datacomp ADB board.

Cherry stepped lock keys, for comparison, are typically "1.25x key with .5x step"
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 17 March 2015, 01:45:44
I'll order ten boards in first revision to minimize risk of ditching money unreasonably.  I'll take nine participants from top of the list.(I think some will change mind and be out this buy, this is why the list is longer than nine) If I embed any stupid mistake in my design I'll have to go with next revision. Perhaps, after this group buy I may make more boards if threre is enough demand but I'll take more reasonable margin for my work in that case. While in this group buy I'll minimize margin to respect risktakers.


Hak Foo, thanks for the information. I think photo Bueller posted above shows  "1.5x key with a .25x step on the side" one and I added support for it. I didn't know Cherry stepped key is different from Alps one. Good to know.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 17 March 2015, 06:59:59
Got reply from PCB guy and they requires extra $16 for my design(two cut outs for screw on side edge), this means price of PCB will be increased by around $2.

And I found a serious problem on space bar switch position, if I overlooked this mistake 104key layout like Dell 101W and V60MTS would lose support. I'll take more time to check my design again before order.

As for stepped  Capslock I added 1.50/0.25 stepped key(Dell/SGI 101/101W) in addition to Non-stepped(AEK, Omnikey, V60, Infinity). I didn't find Alps 1.25/0.5 stepped key yet so far, as far as I skimmed through this SKCM keybaord list randomly. I won't add its support unless existense of the key is confirmed.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Keyboards_with_Alps_SKCL/SKCM_switches
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: bueller on Tue, 17 March 2015, 07:07:44
Got reply from PCB guy and they requires extra $16 for my design(two cut outs for screw on side edge), this means price of PCB will be increased by around $2.

And I found a serious problem on space bar switch position, if I overlooked this mistake 104key layout like Dell 101W and V60MTS would lose support. I'll take more time to check my design again before order.

As for stepped  Capslock I added 1.50/0.25 stepped key(Dell/SGI 101/101W) in addition to Non-stepped(AEK, Omnikey, V60, Infinity). I didn't find Alps 1.25/0.5 stepped key yet so far, as far as I skimmed through this SKCM keybaord list randomly. I won't add its support unless existense of the key is confirmed.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Keyboards_with_Alps_SKCL/SKCM_switches

Awesome man, thanks for all your hard work :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: limster on Tue, 17 March 2015, 09:33:39
Hasu,
This is a great design. If it's not too late, please put me down for 1 assembled. Very cool GB!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: spoonypirate on Tue, 17 March 2015, 10:35:47
I'd be down for a PCB with components!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 17 March 2015, 10:40:34
Yeee I'm excited. Thanks again for including me hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Thu, 19 March 2015, 01:07:31
What micro controller is used? At90usb162?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: mashby on Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:07:47
Yeee I'm excited. Thanks again for including me hasu!

My thoughts exactly. Thank you hasu.


And CPTBadAss, please stop reading my mind!  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Touch_It on Fri, 20 March 2015, 10:05:33
God damn.  Contemplating getting one assembled as I want to build my own keyboard (half-way).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Fri, 20 March 2015, 10:21:13
What micro controller is used? At90usb162?
It's the ATMega32U2 (if not changed since this thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69666.0), don't have the software to check)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: U47 on Sat, 21 March 2015, 20:46:50
If there's still room, I'd be interested in a 'raw with components'.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 23 March 2015, 12:16:18
Placed order! Once they accept my design I'll PM invoices.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 23 March 2015, 12:22:19
Placed order! Once they accept my design I'll PM invoices.

Great news, I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:58:46
Excited for this buy!
Even if it doesn't work, I have admittedly spent more on a poutine than what I could lose out of this.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 24 March 2015, 01:42:26
The board house accepted my design. I sent invoices to top nine people on the list.

Free free to ask if you have question.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 24 March 2015, 01:47:42
Paid and thanks again.  Looking forward to this.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 24 March 2015, 02:53:48
Payment made  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Tue, 24 March 2015, 03:05:29
Payment made, thanks :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 March 2015, 03:25:55
Paid, thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: mashby on Tue, 24 March 2015, 09:11:33
Thank you hasu. Money has been sent!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 24 March 2015, 09:18:54
Just paid up!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 24 March 2015, 09:43:57
Thanks for quick response and payment.
Updated the list in the frist post, I got paid 7 out of 9, already.

Now our boards is in prodction, keep your fingers crossed :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Tue, 24 March 2015, 09:57:53
Paid!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 24 March 2015, 11:28:30
I've been AFK on a trip. Just saw the invoice an hour ago. I'll pay tonight hasu. Sorry for the wait.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 24 March 2015, 11:49:51
No problem at all. Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: NoahBC on Tue, 24 March 2015, 13:41:01
Is it still possible to get in on this? I'd love a raw PCB with components if so!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 24 March 2015, 13:43:51
Is it still possible to get in on this? I'd love a raw PCB with components if so!

Well the initial 9 people were let into the buy just because there is a risk that the PCB may be a dud.
Hasu just doesn't want to collect over a thousand dollars for PCBs that don't work I guess.
Perhaps there will be more interest in doing a full run of these if they turn out fine.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Touch_It on Tue, 24 March 2015, 14:08:09
If this turns out well and more orders can be placed I will likely purchase one
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:31:08
Got paid for all of nine PCBs, very quick! Thanks much, paticipants.
What we can do is only waiting now. I'll post once I get the package.

Whether second run of the GB happens depens on how difficult soldering process is to me. If it is too difficult or time consuming I'll not do this again.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:14:44
I would also be interested in 1 or 2 if this runs again. And don't worry, mine will be bare PCB for DIY so no worry about having to solder  :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: U47 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:48:05
Ditto. I have no problem doing the soldering myself.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nevin on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:25:09
Fingers & toes crossed for ya. If this continues to another round, i may jump in too.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: spoonypirate on Wed, 25 March 2015, 13:12:29
I'll cross mine too. I have this urge for orange alps in a 60%.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: NoahBC on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:02:19
Whether second run of the GB happens depens on how difficult soldering process is to me. If it is too difficult or time consuming I'll not do this again.

If the PCB works, I'd throw down for a DIY only run.

Also, by the way, thanks for your amazing ADB firmware!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:36:56
Would you send me a message if you end up making more of them? Still interested!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Thu, 26 March 2015, 03:09:19
Hasu, if assembly is too problematic or time consuming for you, I have no problem assembling it my self. Just let me know, I can take the raw + components if that is the case. :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Joey Quinn on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:29:23
If these work I'll buy one next round.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:25:06
Thanks for your interest, all. I'm not sure about second run but I'll skim this thread to make a list if it happens.

Applet, thank you. I'll let you know if I need.

I got a mail from manufacturer today and this pic was attached. They will be delivered to me in a few days.
Still keep your fingers crossed!


[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:41:23
Uuuuuu, keeping my fingers crossed :D Bought a Dell board just for this :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nandop on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:01:23
Thanks for your interest, all. I'm not sure about second run but I'll skim this thread to make a list if it happens.

Applet, thank you. I'll let you know if I need.

I got a mail from manufacturer today and this pic was attached. They will be delivered to me in a few days.
Still keep your fingers crossed!


(Attachment Link)

Hi Hasu! Is it ok if  I sent your designs to a PCB house to get one for myself? Also, are you cutting up a plate from another alps board?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:30:19
Count me in for a second run. Just getting into the Alps scene!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:53:51
I'd most likely get another if there's a second run. How can I be satisfied with only one??

@nandop: I'll be posting an interest check soon for 60% Alps plates.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: rand77 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 19:03:03
I would be definitely in for a 2 PCBs in the second run.  I love alps switches!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Sun, 29 March 2015, 12:22:13
Very nice, Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:26:54
nadop,
I don't give my design a license yet intentionally, at least during I'm running GB. That being said, feel free to make PCBs for your own usage but will have to postpone distributing to others untill I clearly decide the license. I'm thinking about using CC-BY-SA like Sparkfun.com does or GPL.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nandop on Mon, 30 March 2015, 00:52:15
I'd most likely get another if there's a second run. How can I be satisfied with only one??

@nandop: I'll be posting an interest check soon for 60% Alps plates.

Awesome!! Thank you :D
nadop,
I don't give my design a license yet intentionally, at least during I'm running GB. That being said, feel free to make PCBs for your own usage but will have to postpone distributing to others untill I clearly decide the license. I'm thinking about using CC-BY-SA like Sparkfun.com does or GPL.


Oh I see. Since JDCarpe will be making plates, I'll wait for the second run and buy everything together. Thank you for this Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:24:49
Got PCBs and did quick visual inspection and case fitting. Before inspection I numbered them from 1 to 10, you'll get one according to your position of the list. I take no. 10.

Good news first, it looks like its size and dimensions of switch pads, screw holes and connector fit to Poker X case, not soldered and screwed yet at all though.

I'll solder MCU, flash firmware and test its USB connection later. I have to make cut offs on the plate for screws before solder switches and finish my keyboard.

http://i.imgur.com/cfy2wqh.jpg

Bad news is its quality... The board house is cheap and far from top notch, but  it is worse than what I expected. The PCBs have many slight scars and some ugly fixes by knife and maker like this pic.

(http://i.imgur.com/pjcEMRy.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 April 2015, 23:30:23
Very exciting! Too bad about the PCB quality, but as long as they are functional, I can live with minor flaws.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: joey on Thu, 02 April 2015, 01:52:16
hasu: where did you order the PCBs from? Hope they're functional!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Thu, 02 April 2015, 04:29:01
Wow, those look horrendous :P. I don't really mind tho, it's fine (I have made PCB's that look worse). But I'd also like to know where they are from, so I can avoid them in the future.

Really looking forward to getting the board by the way, looks good in that poker case. :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 April 2015, 07:06:06
As long as they work it'll be ok. Not ideal but I probably would have messed up the PCBs anyways lol
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 April 2015, 08:35:48
I probably would have messed up the PCBs anyways lol

At least you can laugh about it. :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 02 April 2015, 18:58:31
These PCBs came from Elecrow.com, they have done great jobs for my projects for two years but its quality got worse drastically for this several months. I use them mainly beause of their cheapest pricing and also prefer to seeedstudio.com in terms of service/option they can offer. Finally I got the first PCB electrically failed in the last order, this wasted my full day for debugging :( I'm looking for other new board houses but still their price is attracting.

OK. I soldered SMD components on  a board and  it works regarding USB connection at least. I can wrote code for it and flash firmware now.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69666.msg1703624#msg1703624
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueBär on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:20:35
Neat! Someone should hook you up with something better than white Alps though!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 05 April 2015, 03:40:46
OK. Soldered switches and wrote firmware. It works now!

(http://i.imgur.com/YUZN107h.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/dROBVcOh.jpg)

I confirmed it works with AEK layout and Poker X case at least. I can't confirm other layouts and cases but it likely works well.

(http://i.imgur.com/TD36qvih.jpg)
USB connector should be shifted by 0.3-0.5mm, though.


I'll solder components for rest boards and send invoices for shipping and assmelbly soon.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 05 April 2015, 04:46:49
Looks really nice :) I have a Dell ready for this :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Sun, 05 April 2015, 07:11:19
That does look really slick. Wish I had gotten in on this.

Hasu, after seeing the result, how are you feeling about doing an R2?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 05 April 2015, 10:42:59
Probably I'll revise design and make more boards, but I don't know whether it would be GB or artisan service.
Before that I have to see how well assmebly and shipping go and also need to find new good PCB fab to work with.

DanielT, confirming Dell layout would be nice! :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Sun, 05 April 2015, 11:20:14
Probably I'll revise design and make more boards, but I don't know whether it would be GB or artisan service.
Before that I have to see how well assmebly and shipping go and also need to find new good PCB fab to work with.

DanielT, confirming Dell layout would be nice! :D
Well FWIW if it happens I wouldn't mind getting one or two unassembled, to hone my SMD soldering skills.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Sun, 05 April 2015, 11:52:23
This (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/19419e0a9030324494d3dc1465852672) is the layout I'm considering to use. I have modded a plate for it. Sourcing keycaps and stabilizing the enter key will be a problem for now, but I'm counting on Matias to sort that out in the future. :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 05 April 2015, 12:01:39
Excitement level > 9000+

Can't wait for a 60% Alps board! :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 05 April 2015, 18:12:32
Are there plans for another batch?  If so, I will take an assembled one.  Sorry if I am being late and rude.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: rsadek on Mon, 06 April 2015, 10:36:25
Can't wait for a 60% Alps board! :D

Cpt, the v60 mini might scratch the itch in the meantime; I love mine so far.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:07:30
Can't wait for a 60% Alps board! :D

Cpt, the v60 mini might scratch the itch in the meantime; I love mine so far.

From what I remember with playing with a V60 mini, it was ok. Kinda reminded me of a Poker but with Alps. I'm sure it's fine but I'm not going to spend on one just to have one. I've got plenty of other keyboards and patience. With this PCB, I can put it into a TEX case and have that lovely metal feeling :). Thank you for the recommendation though ^__^.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 11 April 2015, 03:20:34
OK. Today soldered all boards, load them with plain firmware. I checked the boards can be updatable via USB and did visual inspection very simply.
(http://i.imgur.com/2aEhPHBh.jpg)

I'm going to ship them just with this bubble mailer. Too optimistic?
I've not experienced any trouble on the way with smaller size PCB(bottom in pic) so far.
(http://i.imgur.com/LuiL4RMh.jpg)

I'll send invoice for assembly and shipping soon.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 11 April 2015, 03:22:16
Can you slip some cardboard or something on either side of the PCB?  I'd be willing to pay extra for a little more protection.  I'm just wary of the PCB being bent and traces breaking in the mail.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 11 April 2015, 03:45:21
I think cardboard is too flimsy and not so useful for that purpose. You mean, somehting like thin MDF board? Anyway, I don't have proper materials and cutting tools at hand.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ramnes on Sat, 11 April 2015, 08:15:35
Very nice to see that it works pretty well, good job!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: rsadek on Sat, 11 April 2015, 10:20:49
I think cardboard is too flimsy and not so useful for that purpose. You mean, somehting like thin MDF board? Anyway, I don't have proper materials and cutting tools at hand.

A thought : adding a few layers of cardboard and bubble wrap may help reduce bending. When the mailer is nice and fat (full), it ought to resist tight bends more. Wouldn't this further protect the PCB?

-r
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Sat, 11 April 2015, 13:36:53
Great :D As long as it's programmable, I'm pretty sure it will be easy to fix if there is a error in the PCB :) I think the packaging is sufficient, should be fine.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:06:57
It occurs to me there are a lot of folks in this thread who might be interested in this custom Alps modifier keycaps group buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0) that went live yesterday.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Mon, 13 April 2015, 12:55:39
Hi hasu! Do you still accept order now? If so I am in for one with components, assembled.  I would like to have a PCB to replace the PCB in my KBP V60 so that I can flash in the awesome TMK firmware.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 13 April 2015, 18:28:48
No but if second run occurs I'll make contact with you and others who displayed their interest here.

Confirm its fitness for V60MTS case and plate will be nice.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Mon, 13 April 2015, 18:34:12
No but if second run occurs I'll make contact with you and others who displayed their interest here.

Confirm its fitness for V60MTS case and plate will be nice.
I wish the second run will happen. V60 with TMK firmware plus the PBT caps Matias is working on, will so so awesome! That would be really close to my dream keyboard!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Mon, 13 April 2015, 19:07:29
I will be very grateful if I can have one.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 16 April 2015, 09:48:40
Just sent the payment for my PCB!
I don't even have switches to put in this yet. :))
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Thu, 16 April 2015, 09:52:54
No but if second run occurs I'll make contact with you and others who displayed their interest here.
Displaying interest here :D. I'd love to get in on a second run if it happens.

I've also got a Dell that could do with a new lease of life ;).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 16 April 2015, 10:50:33
Payment made :) Happy to be part of this project, I have never had the opportunity to be part of a prototype project, so excited about this  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 16 April 2015, 13:15:54
All paid this morning.Now to decide on Linear Greens, Tactile Greens, Tactile Browns, or click modded Orange.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 16 April 2015, 13:27:12
Use greens, send or sell me some more browns :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 16 April 2015, 13:48:48
Use greens, send or sell me some more browns :D
You're welcome.
IBM 5140 Convertible likely with browns (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-VINTAGE-ANTIQUE-IBM-PC-CONVERTIBLE-LAPTOP-RARE-FIND-DISCONTINUED-ITEM-/111645923619?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19fe9d9923)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: mashby on Thu, 16 April 2015, 13:54:42
Paid. Thanks again Hasu for all your hard work!

@CPTBadAss -- what switches should I put in this thing? All I have are some Matias switches and I don't know ALPS very well.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Thu, 16 April 2015, 14:21:28
I just paid as well, thanks hasu!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueBär on Thu, 16 April 2015, 15:13:06
Paid. Thanks again Hasu for all your hard work!

@CPTBadAss -- what switches should I put in this thing? All I have are some Matias switches and I don't know ALPS very well.

Clicky - blue Alps
Linear - green Alps
Brown - brown and orange Alps are pretty good iirc

Edit: Just to mention it, I totally would be in for a PCB or two in a second run.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 16 April 2015, 21:18:20
Paid. Thanks again Hasu for all your hard work!

@CPTBadAss -- what switches should I put in this thing? All I have are some Matias switches and I don't know ALPS very well.

Clicky - blue Alps
Linear - green Alps
Brown - brown and orange Alps are pretty good iirc

Edit: Just to mention it, I totally would be in for a PCB or two in a second run.

Click modded Orange >>> Blue Alps.

Brown, Orange, and Green are all nice tactile Alps.  And, like you said, Green is the only way to go for linear Alps.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:17:09
So just swap in the Matias click leaf into orange alps nubs?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:18:40
So just swap in the Matias click leaf into orange alps nubs?
I inquired nubbs about this earlier and it's actually fairly simple.
Click modded leaf

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0uuINyu.jpg)



Unmodded leaf:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JtKMtKh.jpg)



It creates a softer, less shrill click similar to how MX whites are softer.
You just fold the little tabs on the side of the leaf.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Fri, 17 April 2015, 01:30:33
Shipped 7 boards today!
You'll received email with tracking number soon, the email is sent to your paypal email address. If this is not useful for you let me know, I'll send track no via PM.

I slipped this small gift into your packet, very small amount but I hope you enjoy!
(http://i.imgur.com/5qJMfjlh.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueBär on Fri, 17 April 2015, 13:58:16
Click modded Orange >>> Blue Alps.

Brown, Orange, and Green are all nice tactile Alps.  And, like you said, Green is the only way to go for linear Alps.

In what regard do they feel different? Smoother, heavier? Cause you can get custom Alps springs if the only weight is the difference.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 17 April 2015, 21:56:53
I'm curious too about these click modded Orange Alps but I only have a limited amount of Oranges to play with :(.

And sorry for the delay hasu but I paid.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:03:12
Click modded Orange >>> Blue Alps.

Brown, Orange, and Green are all nice tactile Alps.  And, like you said, Green is the only way to go for linear Alps.

In what regard do they feel different? Smoother, heavier? Cause you can get custom Alps springs if the only weight is the difference.

It's a nicer tactile bump (IMO) and it's a softer, less harsh click.  Whites and Blues tend to be a little on the sharp and harsh side in sound.  Click modded Orange is a softer, deeper, and richer sounding click, IMO.  It's not really quieter, but not as grating.  It's kind of like good White MX versus MX Greens.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueBär on Sat, 18 April 2015, 06:21:30
It's a nicer tactile bump (IMO) and it's a softer, less harsh click.  Whites and Blues tend to be a little on the sharp and harsh side in sound. Click modded Orange is a softer, deeper, and richer sounding click, IMO.  It's not really quieter, but not as grating.  It's kind of like good White MX versus MX Greens.

Sounds nice, although I don't mind a "harsh" click (my current fav is the K110 with Monterey Blues and they are just crunchy, I guess that wouldn't be your taste).

PS: Requesting typing video :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 18 April 2015, 06:53:37
All hail Blue, Green, and Brown... So what BlueBär said
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 18 April 2015, 11:12:05
It's a nicer tactile bump (IMO) and it's a softer, less harsh click.  Whites and Blues tend to be a little on the sharp and harsh side in sound. Click modded Orange is a softer, deeper, and richer sounding click, IMO.  It's not really quieter, but not as grating.  It's kind of like good White MX versus MX Greens.

Sounds nice, although I don't mind a "harsh" click (my current fav is the K110 with Monterey Blues and they are just crunchy, I guess that wouldn't be your taste).

PS: Requesting typing video :)

When I tried Monterey Blues, they were more pleasant to me than Alps Blues.

Also, I don't have a full board with them since I tend to prefer tactile instead of clicky. I may make some more and try and do a crappy video for you though.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Sun, 19 April 2015, 08:54:17
Is there any of these boards left available to buy?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Wed, 22 April 2015, 11:29:57
Got my PCB in the mail today and it looks good! Can't wait to put it all together but probably wont have time until end of next week. Thanks for this project, I love it  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: mashby on Wed, 22 April 2015, 15:06:59
Everything arrived today safe-and-sound. Like Applet, it'll be a little bit before I have the time and the switches to build it up.

Thanks hasu for doing this and thank you for the lube!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 22 April 2015, 15:23:16
Please do a video comparing blue ALPS to click molded orange.
I don't care if you wont have a full board but I do want to see what it's like.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Wed, 22 April 2015, 17:59:38
Alps switches  :  A limited personal opinion

*  The sliders are basically same shape, regardless of its material composition n smoothness variety, IMO.
*  The center coil springs are definitely different in each switch type. 
*  the 1st contact leaf springs look similar, but differ in angles, shapes, etc
*  2nd leaf springs have obviously different angles, thickness, shapes in detail with each type of ALPS 
*  You may get very similar feels with original leaf & coil springs, but limited feels w modded leaf springs.
*  There were Alps electronic parts OEM factories in Korea, Taiwan, Mexico, etc in '80-90's. 
*  Reminds me a dozen of Cherry MX clone Factories in China at this moment.
*  Need to discuss n share infos among GH members.   
   
Clicky  -  Blue, White clicky
Linear  -  Tee stem (as in Apple 0100, 0110, 0110a), Brown, Green linear
Tactile  -  Salmon(Pinky), Orange, White, White w rubber feet, Cream, Cream w rubber feet, Black Tactiles

Mod to Linears  -  take 2nd leaf springs off  :  blue linears,  salmon linears,  orange linears,  cream linears, white linears,  black linears  etc
Mod to Tactiles  -  Blue Tactiles w Orange(salmon)2nd leaf springs,  Green Tactiles w white leaf springs,  Black Tactiles w Salmon leaf springs  etc
Mod to Clickys  -   Vice versa   As far as i experimented   
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 22 April 2015, 18:01:57
Please do a video comparing blue ALPS to click molded orange.
I don't care if you wont have a full board but I do want to see what it's like.

If I have any to spare, I'll look at doing it.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 23 April 2015, 23:49:20
I just got my PCB today.  I'm debating between butchering my AEK II plate or making a new one for the PCB.  I've got a file made up for costar stabilized switches (you'd need to mod the wire) or if someone wants to edit it for Alps, that would be great.  I was looking at BigBlueSaw for plates.  If anyone is interested, let me know and the material you're interested in so I can get some made.  It only really is worth it if 5+ people want a plate made. I may have another source that can be cheaper, but I won't make any guarantees on that until it's confirmed.

Material and cost breakdown at 5-9 units, before additional shipping cost. Unless otherwise specified, pricing is with the standard waterjet not low-taper since it's a relatively thin piece of material:


There are other options, but most are outside the 0.05-0.06in thickness range you need for the stabilizers to fit.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 24 April 2015, 11:08:30
I'd be interested in one of the stainless steel options.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 24 April 2015, 11:18:04
I'd be interested in a 0.06 T-304 plate.

If you need me to make an exact replica of the AEKII plate, I can do that. Complete with Alps stab holes and everything. Let me know.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: mashby on Fri, 24 April 2015, 11:51:29
I'd follow CPTBadAss and jdcarpe lead. Whatever they get is what I'd go for as well and I'd like to get at least two.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 24 April 2015, 12:05:05
A stainless steel plate would be great.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 24 April 2015, 12:38:13
Looks like 0.06in T-304 stainless it is.  I'll see if I can find a cheaper option, if not, BBS it is.  So far we're looking at 6 or 7 plates since I'm probably going to grab two.  The next price break with BBS is at 10 but I'll have to wait until I get home to see what it is. 

I'm assuming people might like powder coated as well as long as that doesn't mess up the cutout tolerances, so a raw plate should be fine.  I know it's not necessary with T-304, but it does change the aesthetics.  I can look at trying to find a place locally, seeing if a guy I know who does metalwork for boats can do it, or look at a cheap harbor freight gun and cheap toaster oven if people are interested in that.

Also that would be great JD.  I don't know if you want the one that swill's tool spat out with Costar stabilizers or if you'd prefer to make it from scratch, just let me know either way.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 24 April 2015, 12:39:39
I've got no preference on the plate color. Whatever people want :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 24 April 2015, 12:40:53
For the colour we could go with something unique such as white seeing as how it's the only colour unattainable through anodized aluminum.
Or we could be baller and get gold powder coating.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jou on Fri, 24 April 2015, 19:12:22
No but if second run occurs I'll make contact with you and others who displayed their interest here.

*displays interest*
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Sat, 25 April 2015, 15:17:24
for those who missed this, kin is making a tkl alps board, you can find it in the IC gb going to start beginning of may i belive. Same as here though, you need to slaughter a old kb to get a plate.

EDIT: And for the record, if round 2 happens, im in.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: echo0 on Sun, 26 April 2015, 10:34:45
Interested in getting one to two round 2 PCB.  Also interested in the plate, whichever would be decided.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 26 April 2015, 18:44:45
Sent out a bunch of quote requests locally with the update file from JD.  BBS is $40.82 for 5-9 or $36.89 for 10-49 in 0.06in T-304 + shipping + reshipping.  Also looking into other possibilities.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 27 April 2015, 20:13:44
One local quote came back at $21.50 per plate for laser cut and another came back at $29 for waterjet cutting.  I'm waiting to hear back from the others. 

Personally, I'm willing to pay the extra $8.50 a plate for waterjet cutting since it tends to be a nicer finish even though the tolerances are marginally worse.

Here's a form so I can get an idea of numbers (http://goo.gl/forms/olW3XKuxzh).  Plate price may go down if we get more.  I'm definitely getting 2 at $30 a pop, maybe some more as extras.

Also did a legit GB listing (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.msg1729978#msg1729978) that's awaiting mod approval in case there are more people who want in outside of the group here.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Mon, 27 April 2015, 20:16:03
If we had a commitment on a round 2 I would totally get in on the plate buy. Ugh.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 27 April 2015, 22:46:56
I'd get 2 plates at $30 nubbs
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 27 April 2015, 23:38:38
I'd get 2 plates at $30 nubbs

I noticed you wanted laser cut, I'm probably not well versed enough, but could you explain for those like me why you would take one over the other?  I'm game for other, but would love to hear the pros and cons of each from someone better versed in it than me.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Tue, 28 April 2015, 00:45:13
I'd get 2 plates at $30 nubbs

I noticed you wanted laser cut, I'm probably not well versed enough, but could you explain for those like me why you would take one over the other?  I'm game for other, but would love to hear the pros and cons of each from someone better versed in it than me.
Cheaper, more precise. That's probably it.

High volume stuff is still usually stamped for cost reasons.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: rsadek on Tue, 28 April 2015, 01:51:29
If we had a commitment on a round 2 I would totally get in on the plate buy. Ugh.

Same here! I signed up on the plate form anyway....but I need those PCBz!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: margo baggins on Tue, 28 April 2015, 05:00:21
I should come on forums more! v.sad I missed this one :(
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: deci on Thu, 30 April 2015, 15:30:23
Oh damn. Sad I missed this.

Hasu please put me on the list for an assembled PCB and plate if you ever do another run.
I really want to put some clicky alps into my Duck Eagle case.

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 30 April 2015, 22:24:24
Anyone have problem on Rev.A PCB?
Let me know anything you found so that I can fix them before next order.


I want to know:
- USB connector fits in your cases?
- Diodes and other components doesn't interfere with inside of case?
- Screw holes are ok?
- Key switch position is proper for your layout?

Problem I found so far is:
- USB connector is misaligned a blt.

Thanks,
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Thu, 30 April 2015, 23:53:27
Anyone have problem on Rev.A PCB?
....
Problem I found so far is:
- USB connector is misaligned a blt.

Thanks,
USB position a bit to the left?   ;)   Seems Not a problem.    Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Fri, 01 May 2015, 10:41:38
Just want to double check, the switch under 1.75u backspace will be installed backward compared to other switches right? I am asking because my Matias switches feel a little differently depending on where they are pressed. Pressing from upper part makes it more tactile while pressing on lower part makes it more linear. (btw is this common among all ALPS or is it just Matias?)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Fri, 01 May 2015, 14:18:25
Yeah, not big problem but it will be fixed in next revision.

With my Poker X case it looks like this. I'd like to know how it looks in other cases.
(http://i.imgur.com/TD36qvih.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Touch_It on Fri, 01 May 2015, 14:22:23

Just want to double check, the switch under 1.75u backspace will be installed backward compared to other switches right? I am asking because my Matias switches feel a little differently depending on where they are pressed. Pressing from upper part makes it more tactile while pressing on lower part makes it more linear. (btw is this common among all ALPS or is it just Matias?)

I've heard other people say this specifically about Matias.  I will try to experiment with this tonight and let you know
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Fri, 01 May 2015, 17:35:14

Just want to double check, the switch under 1.75u backspace will be installed backward compared to other switches right? I am asking because my Matias switches feel a little differently depending on where they are pressed. Pressing from upper part makes it more tactile while pressing on lower part makes it more linear. (btw is this common among all ALPS or is it just Matias?)

I've heard other people say this specifically about Matias.  I will try to experiment with this tonight and let you know

I don't feel tactile weirdness of backspace and other keys on AEK layout of orange Alps switches but I'm not so picky and have no sensitive fingers. But I can hear different sound(of tacile spring?) from every switches when pressing upper and bottom edge. I think it comes from structure of Alps switch.

Tried Simpliefied black switches, ah yes, I could feel a bit difference of tactility but it won't be big problem to me. I don't have Matias at hand now but I think structure of Matias is similar to rather Simplified one than Complicated.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Fri, 01 May 2015, 19:12:22

Just want to double check, the switch under 1.75u backspace will be installed backward compared to other switches right? I am asking because my Matias switches feel a little differently depending on where they are pressed. Pressing from upper part makes it more tactile while pressing on lower part makes it more linear. (btw is this common among all ALPS or is it just Matias?)

I've heard other people say this specifically about Matias.  I will try to experiment with this tonight and let you know

I don't feel tactile weirdness of backspace and other keys on AEK layout of orange Alps switches but I'm not so picky and have no sensitive fingers. But I can hear different sound(of tacile spring?) from every switches when pressing upper and bottom edge. I think it comes from structure of Alps switch.

Tried Simpliefied black switches, ah yes, I could feel a bit difference of tactility but it won't be big problem to me. I don't have Matias at hand now but I think structure of Matias is similar to rather Simplified one than Complicated.
This tactile inconsistency is much less perceptible on keys with stabilizers. It's not very obvious if you don't pay attention to find it. Actually I never realize it until I read this thread https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54392.0. But when I pay attention to it, it's indeed there, especially easy to feel it on top rows like number row. When pressed near bottom, it's like a soft tactile, whereas near top edge, it almost like a click.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Heliosphere on Fri, 01 May 2015, 21:08:53
I'm in for a possible round 2.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 01 May 2015, 21:10:29
I don't have a board soldered up yet.
I will eventually so I will post pictures then.
Although if you want a picture of the usb positioning I guess I could provide that without assembly.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Fri, 01 May 2015, 21:55:39
Yeah, not big problem but it will be fixed in next revision.

With my Poker X case it looks like this. I'd like to know how it looks in other cases.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TD36qvih.jpg)


The Poker 1, 2 PCB itself is not centered for the USB connector, a bit to the left.
Your Alps PCB looks nice w that issue!    ;)    Wonderful Job!    :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 02 May 2015, 17:01:38
I don't have a board soldered up yet.
I will eventually so I will post pictures then.
Although if you want a picture of the usb positioning I guess I could provide that without assembly.

Yes, you don't have to solder, just try installing it into your case. Pic would be appreciated. Thnaks.


I found Pok3r has less tolerance in its new aluminum case. I think someone want to use it with the PCB, we need to check.
(http://i.imgur.com/Q9FMTyw.jpg)
http://roastpotatoes.github.io/2015/04/29/pok3r-review/
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Sat, 02 May 2015, 17:10:47
KBP V60 case also have a pretty small tolerance on USB port.
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Sat, 02 May 2015, 18:36:31
KBP V60 case also have a pretty small tolerance on USB port.
(Attachment Link)
Wow no kidding. Like zero.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Tue, 05 May 2015, 06:03:11
Today I picked up my PCB from the Customs Office, I'm the happy owner of PCB number 7  :cool:
Now is  time to butcher my Dell and build this board :D
Thanks Hasu  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:05:14
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :P
(http://i.imgur.com/37Ynebb.jpg)
Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:56:58
Thanks for posting pic! Nice legends :D
ISO keys, HHKB Rshift and split Backspace seem to work somehow, good to know.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:58:59
Thanks for posting pic! Nice legends :D
ISO keys, HHKB Rshift and split Backspace seem to work somehow, good to know.
I'm also really happy they work :D.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 05 May 2015, 16:11:48
Ugh I keep forgetting to do great fits on my pure stock case and pure cnc case.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Wed, 06 May 2015, 02:00:14
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :P
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/37Ynebb.jpg)

Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D
That's one bad ass board the symbol of a prototype board :D Love seeing boards being built and I think this was the whole point of this project. I started working on mine, tomorrow I'm working from home just to finish this beauty  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Wed, 06 May 2015, 04:00:29
Thanks for posting pic! Nice legends :D
ISO keys, HHKB Rshift and split Backspace seem to work somehow, good to know.
Did you not expect this configuration to work? :)
That's one bad ass board the symbol of a prototype board :D Love seeing boards being built and I think this was the whole point of this project. I started working on mine, tomorrow I'm working from home just to finish this beauty  :cool:
Glad you like it, I hope you all post pics of your boards when they are done, I'm looking forward to seeing them :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 07 May 2015, 06:16:04
I have finished my board. I'm more than happy, it looks and works amazing. I can confirm that Dell layout works 100%, more than that, you can cut the plate without affecting any of the stab mounts. Is perfect. Now I have to learn how to program it :). I have black Alps, which are quite nice, I didn't had any other choice anyway  :p I think I will mod them to linear Alps, but not today.
Thanks Hasu for this opportunity !  :thumb: You did a great job designing this PCB, for the first time I type on Alps on my favorite form factor 60%.
This is board Nr.7 , and I'm the proud owner  :cool:
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 07 May 2015, 06:20:44
When I have some spare time I will upload the photos and make a thread with the build of this board, maybe it will be helpful for others. Now I have to learn how to use TMK firmware, because on the default layout I don't have Fn :( and I need my function layer  :p
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Thu, 07 May 2015, 06:21:08
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

Speak to 7bit and get some Matias switches in there ;).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Thu, 07 May 2015, 06:22:35
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :p
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/37Ynebb.jpg)

Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D
Good Job!   :o :o   I guess You can get caps from Apple Extended anytime   :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 07 May 2015, 06:25:50
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

Speak to 7bit and get some Matias switches in there ;).

I'm not de-soldering Alps ever  :p I cursed every minute I did that, and I like black Alps :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 07 May 2015, 07:24:02
Here is a photo with the plate. The center mount hole is unusable, the Alps switches are too wide and I don't have enough clearance to insert the screw, but it doesn't matter, it's very stable and the Dell plate adds some healthy weight to the keyboard.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 07 May 2015, 08:39:00
Now a stupid question about the firmware, what loader should I use for this controller ? It works like for Teensy or should be something else ?
And how do I put it in programming mode, I saw the push button on the back, is there a sequence ? Like push 5s insert usb and stuff like that ?
For the keymap I'm all good, code is something I understand  :p
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Thu, 07 May 2015, 09:17:25
Now a stupid question about the firmware, what loader should I use for this controller ? It works like for Teensy or should be something else ?
And how do I put it in programming mode, I saw the push button on the back, is there a sequence ? Like push 5s insert usb and stuff like that ?
For the keymap I'm all good, code is something I understand  :p
1: Insert keyboard to PC. 2: Press button (no need to hold). 3: Flash firmware. :) I think it works exactly as a Teensy (never used one)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 07 May 2015, 09:22:47
Cool :) and which loader did you use ?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 07 May 2015, 13:12:03
Thanks for posting pic of dell plate.

To enter the program mode push the button on bottom.

And my favorite program utility is 'dfu-programmer' but FLIP also can be used if you are on Windows.

I'll add easy instruction on the first post for this things later.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 07 May 2015, 15:24:30
Come on, Round 2!!!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Thu, 07 May 2015, 17:13:01
Cool :) and which loader did you use ?
Lile hasu I use the dfu-programmmer :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Fri, 08 May 2015, 07:13:17
Second day of typing on the Alps 60%, it feels so good. Now I have also my layout configured and it's perfect.

Made also a build log https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71714.0 maybe it will be useful to others. It was a fun project and I recommend you people start and build these boards  :cool: I want to see all 9 of them built  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 08 May 2015, 07:24:03
Ugh you're such a tease DanielT. I'm waiting on nubbinator's plate buy to build mine
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Fri, 08 May 2015, 07:35:31
Here is a photo with the plate. The center mount hole is unusable, the Alps switches are too wide and I don't have enough clearance to insert the screw, but it doesn't matter, it's very stable and the Dell plate adds some healthy weight to the keyboard.

(Attachment Link)
Actually I love the feels of steel plates,  hard but soft   ::)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Fri, 08 May 2015, 07:54:02
This is my first board with a steel plate and it gives a nice kick to the switch, very stable  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Fri, 08 May 2015, 08:34:46
Ugh you're such a tease DanielT. I'm waiting on nubbinator's plate buy to build mine
Lucky you. I'll be waiting on PCB round 2 once I get Nub's plate.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:13:43
Ugh I keep forgetting to do great fits on my pure stock case and pure cnc case.

I think someone already did a test fit of the Poker case which is the same as the Pure case. But here is the PCB in the Pure CNC metal case.

(http://i.imgur.com/zphMCgk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6XzLXA6.jpg)

Perfect fit!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:34:26
Thanks, CPTBadAss!

No critical defect has been found so far and connector alignment seems to be also not big problem.
Second run will be done with exactly same design as the first run, I can use same stencil and this reduces cost a little.

Any sugestion on second run?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:36:18
Thanks, CPTBadAss!

No critical defect has been found so far and connector alignment seems to be also not big problem.
Second run will be done with exactly same design as the first run, I can use same stencil and this reduces cost a little.

Any sugestion on second run?

So far it seems very seamless. I'm waiting for a plate to come in so I can't suggest anything until I build the board right? But so far, it drops into both cases as you wanted just fine. I'm pretty happy with it as it is. Thanks for letting me into the first run :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:36:43
Is there any possibility of adding LEDs to this PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 11 May 2015, 22:01:02
LEDs won't be added on this PCB except for debug purpose.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Wed, 13 May 2015, 06:13:30
i so want dis.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Wed, 13 May 2015, 07:36:17
Nice PCB!   :thumb:    People are waiting for the 2nd run !   ;)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: wakko on Wed, 13 May 2015, 20:42:53
What he said
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 13 May 2015, 20:49:59
Nice PCB!   :thumb:    People are waiting for the 2nd run !   ;)

Definitely want to get in on R2.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Thu, 14 May 2015, 06:13:12
Indeed, I'm going to grab a couple for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Fri, 15 May 2015, 01:06:12
Matias Alps switches will be available   $15- $18/100pcs  for the possible coming GB.

Thanks Matias for Your Favour !   ;)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Fri, 15 May 2015, 05:18:50
Matias Alps switches will be available   $15- $18/100pcs  for the possible coming GB.

Thanks Matias for Your Favour !   ;)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588)
Wow that is cheap!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Fri, 15 May 2015, 09:25:41
Matias Alps switches will be available   $15- $18/100pcs  for the possible coming GB for GH members.
 
This estimated price comes when GH Groupbuy  4800pcs pack at $672+ Shipping + Tax ? to a US proxy.
We need a US proxy.

Thanks Matias for Your Favour !   
 
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588)
 
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Fri, 15 May 2015, 09:35:33
Chinese Alps & Cherry sources  :  (I don't have confidence on their quality, Never tested for long term)
 
-   Gaote (Scott)   :    http://en.cngaote.com/products_list/&pmcId=b5f50871-3881-48f9-84f7-d6d1e7ce5ab5.html (http://en.cngaote.com/products_list/&pmcId=b5f50871-3881-48f9-84f7-d6d1e7ce5ab5.html)
-   Yang Jie            :    http://www.dgyangjie.cn/page/offerlist_5320157.htm?spm=a2615.2177701.0.0.W5CRWn&sortType=showcase (http://www.dgyangjie.cn/page/offerlist_5320157.htm?spm=a2615.2177701.0.0.W5CRWn&sortType=showcase)   

Both located in Guangdong (Canton) China,  Next city to Hongkong, called Dongguan (East estate)
Prices are  $12-14/100pcs  >  Then + shipping + Tax = ?? 
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588)


Cherry Compatible Switch sources  :   
-   Gateron               http://www.gateron.com (http://www.gateron.com)         http://detail.1688.com/offer/38875496181.html?spm=a2615.2177701.5683209.6.kZ64yQ (http://detail.1688.com/offer/38875496181.html?spm=a2615.2177701.5683209.6.kZ64yQ)
-   Kaihua (Kailh)     http://www.kailh.com/gb/Newsdetail.asp?Newsid=37 (http://www.kailh.com/gb/Newsdetail.asp?Newsid=37) 
-   Greetech             http://www.greetech.com/en/products.asp?enBigClassName=GT02%20Keyswitch (http://www.greetech.com/en/products.asp?enBigClassName=GT02%20Keyswitch)   
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Fri, 15 May 2015, 21:20:39
Seems Chinese Alps switches may look similar to Matias,   but internal parts differ, esp the sliders, contact leaf.

I'd prefer proven Matias than Chinese clones.  believe Matias got better QC.

The Clones' prices are even not better at all.    ::)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 15 May 2015, 21:45:47
Might be time to start a new topic sprit ;)

And if there's no one else who can handle shipping, I could do so, though I won't be as fast as the Gateron buy.


On the plate note, soon.  They missed my e-mail and I got in touch with them yesterday to check on it.  Dropped of switches and stabs today so they can test fitment before making the full lot.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Fri, 15 May 2015, 22:23:17
Might be time to start a new topic sprit ;)
And if there's no one else who can handle shipping, I could do so, though I won't be as fast as the Gateron buy.

On the plate note, soon.  They missed my e-mail and I got in touch with them yesterday to check on it.  Dropped of switches and stabs today so they can test fitment before making the full lot.
Might start When Hasu is ready for 2nd run of Alps PCB?    ;)

I guess US Proxy for Matias switches will be in charge of most of the shippings.  So he will manage the Invoices.   
I may take a responsibility for the shipping Worldwide in June.   
The Tracked Air shipping  for 100pcs switches (~250g packed) will be ~ $8,  200pcs(~500g packed) will be ~$10,   To Worldwide From Korea Post.
 
Really Appreciate for the organizing the Alps Plate GB !  ;) 
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ramnes on Sat, 16 May 2015, 06:37:16
Seems Chinese Alps switches may look similar to Matias,   but internal parts differ, esp the sliders, contact leaf.

I'd prefer proven Matias than Chinese clones.  believe Matias got better QC.

The Clones' prices are even not better at all.    ::)

I thought Gaote was Matias manufacturer?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Sat, 16 May 2015, 06:48:24
Seems Chinese Alps switches may look similar to Matias,   but internal parts differ, esp the sliders, contact leaf.

I'd prefer proven Matias than Chinese clones.  believe Matias got better QC.

The Clones' prices are even not better at all.    ::)

I thought Gaote was Matias manufacturer?
Oh, Yes!     :thumb:    My point is :   

-   I'd prefer proven Matias than Chinese clones.  believe Matias got better QC. 
-   Plastic materials are very plastic,  hard to control the Quality

-   Everything has different Quality Grades
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: dante on Sat, 16 May 2015, 09:23:07
What is the absolute lowest profile case you can build these with?  Custom acrylic?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Sat, 16 May 2015, 09:32:11
What is the absolute lowest profile case you can build these with?  Custom acrylic?


The lowest Custom acrylic for Poker compatible PCBs    :   Model 3S  -  18mm thick,  the Plate top flushes with Case top (same as Tex acrylic)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60887.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60887.msg1408824#msg1408824)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: dante on Sat, 16 May 2015, 09:59:35
Ok, in for R2.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Sun, 17 May 2015, 02:52:34
Oh man, I am SO in for this if there is a 2nd round.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Tue, 19 May 2015, 12:03:49
I'm also interested in an assembled PCB if there is a 2nd round. Very sad I missed this.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: deci on Tue, 19 May 2015, 15:07:09
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :P
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/37Ynebb.jpg)

Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D

I don't know why, but those hand drawn legends looks awesome to me.
It reminds me something out of my engineering lab in college.

I'm definitely doing that to one of mine.

Thanks so much for this idea!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Wed, 20 May 2015, 10:10:38
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :P
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/37Ynebb.jpg)

Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D

I don't know why, but those hand drawn legends looks awesome to me.
It reminds me something out of my engineering lab in college.

I'm definitely doing that to one of mine.

Thanks so much for this idea!!  :thumb:
Thanks, it basically is out of my engineering lab at my university :D. I might draw my own legends for the function-keys on the new set of keycaps as well. I'm planning white PBT's from Matias combined with these (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0) modifiers. I like the thought of blanks with only the legends for the function-layers :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: deci on Wed, 20 May 2015, 19:02:08
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :P
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/37Ynebb.jpg)

Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D

I don't know why, but those hand drawn legends looks awesome to me.
It reminds me something out of my engineering lab in college.

I'm definitely doing that to one of mine.

Thanks so much for this idea!!  :thumb:
Thanks, it basically is out of my engineering lab at my university :D. I might draw my own legends for the function-keys on the new set of keycaps as well. I'm planning white PBT's from Matias combined with these (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0) modifiers. I like the thought of blanks with only the legends for the function-layers :)

Yes I know exactly what you mean. There was a Multimedia Keys Granite add on that basically just had media icons on it that I really loved. Too bad I don't really like typing on DSA.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 20 May 2015, 21:13:30
Rev.A users,
did anyone try other case? Currently PokerX and Pure CNC case were confirmed.
Aren't  there anyone with Poker 2 and Poker 3 case to try the PCB?
In particular Poker 3 has no tolerance on its connector hole, so I'd like to know if it can fit into the case.

From first post:
- Confirm case fitness
    - Poker X original plastic case OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1706097#msg1706097) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1737553#msg1737553)
    - Pure CNC metal OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1743554#msg1743554)
    - Poker 2
    - Poker 3
    - V60
    - Other custom cases
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Mon, 25 May 2015, 04:06:29
No option for unassembled?  :'(
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 25 May 2015, 10:02:34
I started second round of this group buy quietly and taking orders now.
Target quantity is 20-30 boards in this round.Check the first post of this thread to order.

jevvix,
I just didn't want to cut, mark and sort out small SMT components.
OK. I can sell them for $10 if you have to get components from me. And Raw PCB costs $12.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Mon, 25 May 2015, 11:20:36
Rev.A users,
did anyone try other case? Currently PokerX and Pure CNC case were confirmed.
Aren't  there anyone with Poker 2 and Poker 3 case to try the PCB?
A friend has a Poker 2 case, I'll try the PCB in it but I'm not sure when I will have the time to try it , will post results when done. I only have the Poker X case myself.
Edit:
Got a temporary ABS ISO-enter from Matias today and the placement of the switch seems to be placed a bit to far to the right. Will post image later tonight.
Edit-2:
Here are some pics: http://imgur.com/a/JqJ7a
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Mon, 25 May 2015, 11:36:20
PM'd for round 2!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Mon, 25 May 2015, 22:26:47
jevvix,
I just didn't want to cut, mark and sort out small SMT components.
OK. I can sell them for $10 if you have to get components from me. And Raw PCB costs $12.
Thank you. Sent you a PM regarding my potential order.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 26 May 2015, 23:05:52
Updated order list in the first post, let me know if your order is missed in the list.

Around thirty boards are ordered so far and this number is already nice amount for second run.
But I'll open this more a few days in case that poeple are still missing this run.

Thanks


EDIT: Invoices are not sent yet. I will sent them with PM later, probably a days or two later.(Friday in JST)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 May 2015, 04:38:14
See this pic form Applet's post. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1758165#msg1758165
(http://i.imgur.com/xp8EGNc.jpg)

This ISO enter keycap from Matias doesn't work with Rev.A PCB :(
Aren't any Rev.A user with other ISO enter keycap there?

I'll have to look into this problem closely.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Wed, 27 May 2015, 05:01:35
I've got an ISO enter from a Dell at102w that I was going to use with mine, I can send it to someone to test it if needed. I'll need it back eventually though...
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 May 2015, 05:17:30
Hzza, it would be very helpful if you can take some photos of the Dell.

In particular I want to see how ISO enter switch is aligned there. All of keycaps around ISO enter area should be taken off.
I think pics taken from very straight above would be nice. And I want to see close up of  bottom of ISO enter keycap.

Applet, could you post pic of bottom of Matias keycap? I'd see its mount position.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Wed, 27 May 2015, 05:20:43
I'll see what I can do. Do you need shots of the PCB as well or just from the top side?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 May 2015, 05:52:19
Pic of top side is nice enough. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Applet on Wed, 27 May 2015, 08:15:59
Applet, could you post pic of bottom of Matias keycap? I'd see its mount position.
Sure, here is a pic of the cap:
(http://i.imgur.com/tiPWImU.png)

EDIT: Modded the PCB to fit my Matias-enter today, it's not pretty but works great (even the stabs) :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 May 2015, 20:00:24
I checked one of my Alps keyboard this morning, it is not an ISO and even not JIS keyboard but it has ISO/JIS type enter key and made by ALPS. This enter key has different mount position from Matias and it also doesn't mach with Rev.A PCB.

(http://i.imgur.com/jtqAAm5l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YKIbKlrl.jpg)

I'll fix PCB design for ISO enter key, I think it solves this problems. But if you have a plan to use ISO enter layout check your keyboard.
And post pics of your keycap and keyboard like my pics above.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 May 2015, 22:34:17
Fixed. Rev.B supports three different locations for ISO Enter key(K23).

Rev.B
(http://i.imgur.com/b0R5x6b.png)

Rev.A
(http://i.imgur.com/XGLJZAE.png)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 28 May 2015, 00:58:19
Rev.A users,
did anyone try other case? Currently PokerX and Pure CNC case were confirmed.
Aren't  there anyone with Poker 2 and Poker 3 case to try the PCB?
In particular Poker 3 has no tolerance on its connector hole, so I'd like to know if it can fit into the case.

From first post:
- Confirm case fitness
    - Poker X original plastic case OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1706097#msg1706097) OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1737553#msg1737553)
    - Pure CNC metal OK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1743554#msg1743554)
    - Poker 2
    - Poker 3
    - V60
    - Other custom cases
I have on mine a Poker II case amd it works just fine, the USB connector has no clearance problems. Also the alu Hammer case works fine :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 28 May 2015, 01:09:03
Great.
Updated the list of confimed cases in the first post. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Thu, 28 May 2015, 03:16:14
Sorry for the delay in getting back, the light was gone when I got home so had to get these before work this morning :D.

Ignore the dirty plate, this has been on my "manky keyboard" shelf for a few years now, I'll give it some love now that it has a purpose in life :D.

edit - Just to clarify as well, the board is a Dell AT102W.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 28 May 2015, 06:09:21
Thanks for posting the pics.
Dell AT102W Enter looks like same as my Alps board.
Rev.B PCB will work with Dell and Matias ISO Enter key, while Rev.A doesn't work with both of those.


I'll send invoices to all participants tomorrow and order PCB and components before long.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Thu, 28 May 2015, 07:04:52
Really Appreciate for Your Great Job!    ;)

Alps boards have wide variety of caps' form factors, 

So we know it's a real hard task!   :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueBär on Fri, 29 May 2015, 15:40:37
Did you receive my PM hasu? Don't see myself in the order list.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 29 May 2015, 20:11:05
As soon as I get my Leeku stuff all paid for, I'll probably be grabbing another PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Fri, 29 May 2015, 21:28:01
Updated the order list. Invoices will sent soon.


I changed shipping cost calc a bit, please check it.

Quote
Price
Assembled PCB: $35
    includes unsoldered diodes(through hole device). You have to solder the diodes(and switches, of course) yourself.
    All SMT components except for the diodes are soldered on PCB by me.
   
UnAssembled PCB: $22
    This includes blank/empty PCB and compoenents including diodes. You have to solder all components yourself.
   
Raw PCB: $12
    Just blank/empty PCB only.

 
Shipping: $10   $8.5 + $1.5 * (# of PCB)
    Registered air mail with insurance. It takes 7-10 days to most of countries   
    If you order two PCBs add $2.    Add $1.5 per PCB to base cost $8.5.
    Note that shipping cost for a PCB is $10, not $8.5.
 
For example,
    One Assembled PCB: 35+10=45                                                   
    Two Assembled PCB: 35*2+10+2=82 35*2 + 8.5 + 1.5*2 = 81.5


And what you have to know is ISO enter problem which found after this second round begun. Rev.A PCB doesn't work with ISO enter key from Matias and Dell 102W at least. To fix this ISO enter problem I updated PCB design and it became Rev.B now. See posts around this one for the detail.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1760955#msg1760955

I expect Rev.B works with Matias and Dell 102W ISO enter key but not confrimed yet.

And check Caveat entries in the first post again before payment.


Quote
Caveat
- PCB design is not changed, quite same as first run(Rev.A). Changed to fix ISO enter problem (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1760955#msg1760955) and PCB is Rev.B now.
- Assembled PCB are soldered all electric components except for diodes and swtiches.
- You'll get unsoldered diodes(around 70) if you order 'Assembled PCB'. Diodes are for Through Hole, not for Surface Mount.
- Raw PCB($12) is available but components are not. Please buy them from digikey, mouser or etc. and you can take components for $10.
- Confirmed the PCB fits into Poker X, Poker II, Hammer Alu and Pure CNC case, but unclear about other cases including Pok3r and V60 at this time. See TODO section below.
- Most of layouts are confirmed but 'Infinity bottom row' and 'bigass enter' are not tried yet. See TODO section below.
- Order will be prioritized depending on the list.



Feel free to ask me if anything is unclear.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Fri, 29 May 2015, 21:59:49
Can you please change me to 3 raw pcb please. I have to do a digikey order and I'll pick up the components myself.
Do you have a list of smd parts anywhere with package size? And do you have a precompiled .hex file anywhere?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Fri, 29 May 2015, 22:29:00
jevvix, Here is BOM. No hex at the moment. No hex at the time.

Code: [Select]
BOM for Alps64 keyboard                                                   
=======================                                                   
Ref             Value           Footprint               Component           
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
C1              4.7u            C_3216                  any                 
C2              1u              C_1608                  10%                 
C3              22p             C_1608                                     
C4              22p             C_1608                                     
C5              0.1u            C_1608                                     
C6              0.1u            C_1608                                     
J1              USB_mini_B      USB_miniB_hirose_new    UX60SC-MB-5S8 Hirose
R1              22              R_1608                                     
R2              22              R_1608                                     
R3              10K             R_1608                                     
SW100           SW_PUSH         SW_ALPS_SKRP            ALPS tactile switch
U1              ATMEGA32U2      QFP32                   ATMega32u2 Atmel   
X1              CRYSTAL         FA-238                  16MHz               
D*64            DIODE           SOD-123 or Axial        1N4148
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 30 May 2015, 17:38:53
Thanks for your quick payments, all.
Updated the list in the first post, let me know if I missed your payment.

Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Sun, 31 May 2015, 07:24:15
Paid just now. Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 31 May 2015, 12:41:59
Invoice  paid.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Sun, 31 May 2015, 13:27:39
Appreciate Your Great Job !   ;)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: wakko on Sun, 31 May 2015, 13:56:37
Payment sent
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Sun, 31 May 2015, 15:32:00
Payment sent. Thank you very much for all your hard work, everyone!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 31 May 2015, 17:02:08
Updated again.

Thanks for your quick payments, all.
Updated the list in the first post, let me know if I missed your payment.



Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: limster on Sun, 31 May 2015, 21:40:20
Paid, and PM sent.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Sun, 31 May 2015, 23:27:36
Payment and PM sent, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 01 June 2015, 18:42:25
Payment and PM sent.

I'm excited!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: spoonypirate on Mon, 01 June 2015, 18:56:23
Payment and PM sent.

I'm excited!
Me too!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Mon, 01 June 2015, 19:56:36
I paid yesterday and still don't see my name updated. Did you get it, hasu?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Mon, 01 June 2015, 20:49:27
I have started an interest check for a small group buy of Apple M3501 keyboards at a https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=72438.0 These would be perfect donors for this PCB. Please leave any comments in that thread to keep this one clean.
(thank you Hasu for permission to post this!)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 02 June 2015, 01:24:34
Thanks all for making quick payments.

Closed second run and finally updated the list again, let me know if I missed your payment.
I'll place order for PCB and components in a few days.

njbair, yes got paid.

Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 04 June 2015, 00:06:13
Placed an order for Rev.B PCB of second run. Turn around is around 10 days.

I ordered some extra PCBs and still have room to take extra order. PM me if you like to get the board.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Thu, 04 June 2015, 01:00:56
Glad to hear it Hasu!

For those on the second run, does anyone want to organize a plate GB? I'm not located in the US, so it wouldn't be optimal for me to do it, but perhaps we could get help from the hosts of the first plate GB!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Thu, 04 June 2015, 21:04:44
For those on the second run, does anyone want to organize a plate GB? I'm not located in the US, so it wouldn't be optimal for me to do it, but perhaps we could get help from the hosts of the first plate GB!
Where would you get the plate mounted stabilizers from?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 04 June 2015, 21:10:44
For those on the second run, does anyone want to organize a plate GB? I'm not located in the US, so it wouldn't be optimal for me to do it, but perhaps we could get help from the hosts of the first plate GB!
Where would you get the plate mounted stabilizers from?

I think mainly from old ALPS boards.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 04 June 2015, 21:32:08
You would either get the stabilizers from old Alps boards, or use Costar stabilizers with the caps from the Infinity Alps GB.

What layout do people want for a round 2 of plates? nubbinator might be willing to run another round after the first round is complete, if we ask nicely. I would design the plate, if people can come to some consensus about which layout to make.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 04 June 2015, 21:39:06
I saw some mention of interest in a dell layout in the AEK II plate IC thread. What are the differences between the two?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 04 June 2015, 23:20:29
I saw some mention of interest in a dell layout in the AEK II plate IC thread. What are the differences between the two?

The bottom row. The Dell AT101w has all 1.25 modifiers on the bottom row (Like a Poker).

I would be down for a Dell plate. The only down side I can see is that the AT101W doesn't have the best keycaps (pad printed ABS).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Pyrelink on Thu, 04 June 2015, 23:32:57
I would still be really interested in a Round 2 of the AEK 2 plate again.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 05 June 2015, 00:27:02
I'd love a AEK 2 plate. I'd be much happier using a plate as opposed to further butchering an AEK 2 donor board.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: RickyJ on Fri, 05 June 2015, 01:34:50
My goal is Poker-style ANSI, with either 1.5 or 1.25 mods. I have bigass-enter 1.5 mod sets, and joined the Infinity mod set group buy to modernize the layout and stabs (though I don't have any Costar).  Once upon a time, I had a nice ANSI doubleshot set, but I lost it during a move (must be hiding with some of my missing SMD tools).  So for me right now, my preference would be a plate that would accommodate the Infinity-style stab layout with either 1.5 Ctrl/Alt and 7x space, unless I can find 6.25x space somewhere to then use 1.25x mods.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Fri, 05 June 2015, 08:31:52
I would also love an AEK 2 plate simply because the AEK 2 key caps are really nice.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sprit on Fri, 05 June 2015, 08:40:28
I would also love an AEK 2 plate simply because the AEK 2 key caps are really nice.

For me,  AEK2 Caps are The Best of the best caps for many years.    very comfy shape, nice type feeling & thick Dyesub. 
Legend Colors vary from dark blue - dark Greenish - dark Purple -ish   :-* 
 
No worries on the price and availability,  relaxed to enjoy typing Dyesub caps everyday. 
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 05 June 2015, 12:18:43
I love the caps on the AEKII I use at work.

I'm planning on getting one as a donor for this build either from the AEK2 group buy, or on ebay.

Speaking of caps, does a AEK2 sized PBT alps spacebar exist anywhere? I'd love to replace the ABS one on my work board, as well as the one for this build.

Edit: alps
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: wakko on Fri, 05 June 2015, 14:35:25
^^ what said.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Fri, 05 June 2015, 16:13:55
I love the caps on the AEKII I use at work.

I'm planning on getting one as a donor for this build either from the AEK2 group buy, or on ebay.

Speaking of caps, does a AEK2 sized PBT spacebar exist anywhere? I'd love to replace the ABS one on my work board, as well as the one for this build.

Is there a GB for AEK2? I would love to get one too for this 60% build. Link please!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 05 June 2015, 16:20:57
I love the caps on the AEKII I use at work.

I'm planning on getting one as a donor for this build either from the AEK2 group buy, or on ebay.

Speaking of caps, does a AEK2 sized PBT spacebar exist anywhere? I'd love to replace the ABS one on my work board, as well as the one for this build.

Is there a GB for AEK2? I would love to get one too for this 60% build. Link please!

Closed, though. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 05 June 2015, 16:26:06
I love the caps on the AEKII I use at work.

I'm planning on getting one as a donor for this build either from the AEK2 group buy, or on ebay.

Speaking of caps, does a AEK2 sized PBT spacebar exist anywhere? I'd love to replace the ABS one on my work board, as well as the one for this build.

Is there a GB for AEK2? I would love to get one too for this 60% build. Link please!

Closed, though. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0

Mainly because I'm doing it out of pocket right now and they are obscenely slow and bad about communication.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Thu, 11 June 2015, 07:23:27
I love the caps on the AEKII I use at work.

I'm planning on getting one as a donor for this build either from the AEK2 group buy, or on ebay.

Speaking of caps, does a AEK2 sized PBT spacebar exist anywhere? I'd love to replace the ABS one on my work board, as well as the one for this build.

Is there a GB for AEK2? I would love to get one too for this 60% build. Link please!

Closed, though. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0

Mainly because I'm doing it out of pocket right now and they are obscenely slow and bad about communication.

Hopefully we can figure out a better way to proceed the second time around, and I'd not want you to do it out of pocket either.


Also do you guys think this case would be a good fit for this project?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-metal-case?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional%3A%20Drop%20Request%20Launched&mode=guest_open
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 11 June 2015, 08:15:49
I love the caps on the AEKII I use at work.

I'm planning on getting one as a donor for this build either from the AEK2 group buy, or on ebay.

Speaking of caps, does a AEK2 sized PBT spacebar exist anywhere? I'd love to replace the ABS one on my work board, as well as the one for this build.

Is there a GB for AEK2? I would love to get one too for this 60% build. Link please!

Closed, though. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416.0

Mainly because I'm doing it out of pocket right now and they are obscenely slow and bad about communication.

Hopefully we can figure out a better way to proceed the second time around, and I'd not want you to do it out of pocket either.


Also do you guys think this case would be a good fit for this project?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-metal-case?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional%3A%20Drop%20Request%20Launched&mode=guest_open

Yes, that would be a good one.

You can get it without waiting for Massdrop, here (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=627).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:41:53
That's also a nice case, but a little different from the one I linked! I prefer the Massdrop one with the uniform edge thickness (the MK one is thicker at the front) :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 11 June 2015, 18:48:07
That's also a nice case, but a little different from the one I linked! I prefer the Massdrop one with the uniform edge thickness (the MK one is thicker at the front) :)
The black version on MK has the uniform wall thickness. I personally really like the thicker front edge. But Tex confuses me...why change the design and have both floating around for sale without somehow differintiating one from the other?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 11 June 2015, 18:52:05
That's also a nice case, but a little different from the one I linked! I prefer the Massdrop one with the uniform edge thickness (the MK one is thicker at the front) :)
The black version on MK has the uniform wall thickness. I personally really like the thicker front edge. But Tex confuses me...why change the design and have both floating around for sale without somehow differintiating one from the other?
Because a lot of these small companies don't understand product marketing. They never consider how confusing their own product offerings may seem to the uninitiated potential customer.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Thu, 11 June 2015, 18:59:20
Personally I like the uniform side-walls but I can also appreciate why some may prefer the designs of the thicker front sidewall, as it looks great too.

The black case they're selling on MK is actually not the same case as the one offered on Massdrop:

The case on MD is made by TEX, CNC'd, and anodizing is performed by the factory that does anodizing for Lian-Li computer cases.
(https://massdrop-cf2.imgix.net/resizer/1500x1000/r/MD-2888_20140813222515_b668a99278fb1782.jpg?fm=jpg&q=70)

The case on MK is made by VORTEX, is not CNC'd but cast aluminum instead, not sure where the anodizing is done.
(https://massdrop-cf2.imgix.net/resizer/1500x1000/r/MD-3324_20140813100513_744bc770550f0245.jpg?fm=jpg&q=70)

Profile is also a little different! Both have low bezels (floaty), but the TEX is flat and uses aluminum feet while VORTEX has the incline built into the case itself.

Not to be a stickler for details, but just hoping to educate and clarify the differences :) Cheers

P.S. Also, I would much prefer the VORTEX PURE case which is their 60% case but CNC'd instead, but they are rare these days :(
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 11 June 2015, 19:04:22
Are the vortex cases anodized or powder coated?  Cast aluminum is not easily anodized and is more expensive to anodize.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 11 June 2015, 19:09:40
Those cases appear to have thicker PCB support fins than plastic Poker case does. I'm not sure this PCB has enough clearance for the thick fins, current clearance is around 2.3mm in design but it may depends on how you solder diodes too.

And you may want to note difference of plate height between Cherry and Alps when you case has shallow bezel like those cases.
Alps plate is 4.5mm high from PCB surface while Cherry is 5.0mm.

http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Cherry%20PDFs/MX%20Series.pdf
http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/68/Forward_Electronics_--_spec_--_SKBMFA.pdf
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 11 June 2015, 19:25:37
The black case they're selling on MK is actually not the same case as the one offered on Massdrop:

The case on MD is made by TEX, CNC'd, and anodizing is performed by the factory that does anodizing for Lian-Li computer cases.
Show Image
(https://massdrop-cf2.imgix.net/resizer/1500x1000/r/MD-2888_20140813222515_b668a99278fb1782.jpg?fm=jpg&q=70)


The case on MK is made by VORTEX, is not CNC'd but cast aluminum instead, not sure where the anodizing is done.
Show Image
(https://massdrop-cf2.imgix.net/resizer/1500x1000/r/MD-3324_20140813100513_744bc770550f0245.jpg?fm=jpg&q=70)


Profile is also a little different! Both have low bezels (floaty), but the TEX is flat and uses aluminum feet while VORTEX has the incline built into the case itself.

Not to be a stickler for details, but just hoping to educate and clarify the differences :) Cheers

Sorry, I should have given the link. The black Tex case I was referring to is this one: http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=630
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 13 June 2015, 06:09:28
Any ideas about a plate gb yet, whether it be another round of AEK ll, or something else?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:17:45
Any ideas about a plate gb yet, whether it be another round of AEK ll, or something else?

I think it would make sense to run the next one as a standard ANSI plate, for those with caps from the Dell AT101 or what have you. People could trade with others to get the AEK II ones, if some people ordered more than what they needed.

We will just have to wait until nubbinator is finished with the current plate buy, and see how he feels about running another one.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 18 June 2015, 15:19:46
Got PCBs the other day. They are not great and typical for cheap PCB houses but good enough for our requirements. Every PCB has some tiny cosmetic scars and screw cutouts on edge are solder masked unlike Rev.A for some reason.

(http://i.imgur.com/dlKLQTbl.jpg)
EDIT: This pic shows the cutout difference between Rev.A(bottom) and Rev.B(top).

Both are not big problem anyway. I started assembly process and will shipping them soon.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Thu, 18 June 2015, 15:27:22
Great news! Thank you, hasu. I'm crossing my fingers for a round 2 of the plate group buy.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 19 June 2015, 00:47:03
Great news! Thank you, hasu. I'm crossing my fingers for a round 2 of the plate group buy.

Me too, since you got Frostytoast's spot.  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Fri, 19 June 2015, 08:20:42
Great news! Thank you, hasu. I'm crossing my fingers for a round 2 of the plate group buy.

Me too, since you got Frostytoast's spot.  ;D

Hahaha. Sorry about that! I guess I'm not too worried about another plate buy now. I hope there are no hard feelings.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 20 June 2015, 00:08:36
Nah, no worries. I figure there will be another buy, or I'll just harvest the plate from the board I got from the AEKII GB.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Mon, 22 June 2015, 02:53:45
Hey guys, was just wondering if the SG keyboards would make for nice keycap donors?

Also, does it come with a plate and what is the material of the keycaps? Not sure if these are priced well, but they're new.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Silicon-Graphics-RT6856T-062-0002-001-Grey-Keyboard-Granite-PS-2-SGI-/261912496815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cfb338aaf
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 22 June 2015, 03:01:01
Today, some of the orders were shipped, some of you may receive an email with  tracking number from Japan Post.

Other orders will be posted in a week.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Frizer on Mon, 22 June 2015, 16:09:21
Hey guys, was just wondering if the SG keyboards would make for nice keycap donors?

Also, does it come with a plate and what is the material of the keycaps? Not sure if these are priced well, but they're new.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Silicon-Graphics-RT6856T-062-0002-001-Grey-Keyboard-Granite-PS-2-SGI-/261912496815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cfb338aaf

I think the SGI boards you want are the ones with the logo top left. The later ones are rubber dome.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: rsadek on Mon, 22 June 2015, 21:59:48
Today, some of the orders were shipped, some of you may receive an email with  tracking number from Japan Post.

Other orders will be posted in a week.
I was very excited to get that email today! Thanks Hasu!! :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:10:07
may i ask what switches ppl are going to use?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:12:35
may i ask what switches ppl are going to use?

Discovered I've got 58 Brown Alps and nubbinator's plate takes 60 switches. Going to use 58 Brown Alps and two Matias Quiets unless I can find two extra Browns.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:18:46
may i ask what switches ppl are going to use?

Discovered I've got 58 Brown Alps and nubbinator's plate takes 60 switches. Going to use 58 Brown Alps and two Matias Quiets unless I can find two extra Browns.

I have some white alps clones. But im not sure i want something that clicky. Thinking of getting some matias switches or something else tactile.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:19:06
It's still up in the air for me...I've got a M0116 with salmons which are awesome switches but I don't really want to kill the board for them so I think I'm either going black alps (maybe modded to linear, I'm not sure yet) or dampened creams (I haven't used them enough to decide if I like them yet :D).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:23:58
It's still up in the air for me...I've got a M0116 with salmons which are awesome switches but I don't really want to kill the board for them so I think I'm either going black alps (maybe modded to linear, I'm not sure yet) or dampened creams (I haven't used them enough to decide if I like them yet :D).

i have a m0116 too. which is handwired. Will not kill that :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:38:17
I'll be using Orange ALPS.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:40:31
I'd like to get as close to the complicated whites in my AEKII at work as possible.

I really didn't care for the creams in the AEKII donor board I picked up(but the keycaps are in great condition). I'm planning on running Matias clicks for most of the keys. I am going to pull the lock switch from my AEKII donor for capslock, and I'm thinking I'll pick up another lock switch for fn - perhaps I'll find just the switch, or pick up a M0116 or another AEK donor to harvest from.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:51:17
It's still up in the air for me...I've got a M0116 with salmons which are awesome switches but I don't really want to kill the board for them so I think I'm either going black alps (maybe modded to linear, I'm not sure yet) or dampened creams (I haven't used them enough to decide if I like them yet :D).

i have a m0116 too. which is handwired. Will not kill that :)

Nice, pics? I'm planning to do the same at some point, I've got a bit of time off at the end of the year so I'll probably crack it out then.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Tue, 23 June 2015, 10:53:40
It's still up in the air for me...I've got a M0116 with salmons which are awesome switches but I don't really want to kill the board for them so I think I'm either going black alps (maybe modded to linear, I'm not sure yet) or dampened creams (I haven't used them enough to decide if I like them yet :D).

i have a m0116 too. which is handwired. Will not kill that :)

Nice, pics? I'm planning to do the same at some point, I've got a bit of time off at the end of the year so I'll probably crack it out then.

the thread:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71890.0
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Tue, 23 June 2015, 18:29:28
Just finished gutting an old Apple IIGS with orange Alps. I'll be using those, as I prefer orange to the cream dampened Alps in my only other donor option right now (AEKII).

CPT, I don't suppose you have two more Matias Quiets you'd be willing to part with? I broke two while building my Infinity a few weeks ago and I've been using two oranges in their place.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 23 June 2015, 18:32:36
I have a bunch of matias clicks that'll be here tomorrow if you need.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Tue, 23 June 2015, 18:37:49
I have a bunch of matias clicks that'll be here tomorrow if you need.

Clicks or quiets? I'm looking for quiets.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 23 June 2015, 18:38:53
Clicks
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Tue, 23 June 2015, 18:46:48
Clicks

Thanks for the offer but I think I'm gonna hold out for some quiets.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 24 June 2015, 09:50:12
CPT, I don't suppose you have two more Matias Quiets you'd be willing to part with? I broke two while building my Infinity a few weeks ago and I've been using two oranges in their place.

I currently don't have any Matias Quiets. I was going to order some.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Pyrelink on Wed, 24 June 2015, 14:50:53
I am going with Blue Alps for this board.

(http://i.imgur.com/wwhM6nHl.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 24 June 2015, 23:25:38
Confirmed bottom row and right shift part of Infinity layout.
(http://i.imgur.com/twwaQCYh.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: RickyJ on Thu, 25 June 2015, 02:01:07
Hey guys, was just wondering if the SG keyboards would make for nice keycap donors?

Also, does it come with a plate and what is the material of the keycaps? Not sure if these are priced well, but they're new.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Silicon-Graphics-RT6856T-062-0002-001-Grey-Keyboard-Granite-PS-2-SGI-/261912496815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cfb338aaf

That model is rubber disappointment. :(
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 25 June 2015, 03:58:52
All orders were shipped today!
Tracking number will be mailed to your PayPal email address in  several
hours or a day. PM me unless you don't receive it.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Thu, 25 June 2015, 07:23:50
All orders were shipped today!
Tracking number will be mailed to your PayPal email address in  several
hours or a day. PM me unless you don't receive it.
Thank you hasu! I am so excited and can't wait to see it in my mailbox!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 25 June 2015, 07:37:41
All orders were shipped today!
Tracking number will be mailed to your PayPal email address in  several
hours or a day. PM me unless you don't receive it.

Thanks hasu.

Now to figure out what I'm going to do about a plate.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Thu, 25 June 2015, 08:26:09
Thanks hasu.

Now to figure out what I'm going to do about a plate.
Hack up an old AT101w? That's my plan :D.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73138.0
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Thu, 25 June 2015, 08:46:25
Thank you, hasu! You must have been working nonstop.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: limster on Thu, 25 June 2015, 09:29:21
Thank you for your work and dedication, hasu! I received the tracking notice!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 25 June 2015, 15:53:57
Thanks hasu.

Now to figure out what I'm going to do about a plate.
Hack up an old AT101w? That's my plan :D.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73138.0

I don't have any of the tools to do anything like that  :(

Going to have to wait until a GB happens.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 25 June 2015, 17:11:02
Well, I'll be willing to do another plate buy next month for the AT101 layout since I think JD said he'd make the plate file.  I'll just have a GB MOQ of 25, the price will be a little higher than before, and all plates must be paid for before I order since the last set was out of pocket.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 25 June 2015, 19:29:53
Thanks all for your support for this project!

Attached firmware binary file in the first post. It is same as a firmware uploaded to 'Assembled PCB' when shipped. Use this file if you have any trouble with compiling firmware yourself.

To define your keymap you have to edit and compile it from source code, anyway.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 25 June 2015, 19:31:28
Well, I'll be willing to do another plate buy next month for the AT101 layout since I think JD said he'd make the plate file.  I'll just have a GB MOQ of 25, the price will be a little higher than before, and all plates must be paid for before I order since the last set was out of pocket.

Okay, cool  :)

Will it be for the AT101, or AT101W? Would it be possible to make a plate that will work with both?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Thu, 25 June 2015, 20:04:06
Received my two boards today!  ;D

Did a quick test and they show up fine as alps64 when plugged in.

Your toaster oven is awesome.

Thanks for the hard work!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Thu, 25 June 2015, 20:36:23
Thanks all for your support for this project!

Attached firmware binary file in the first post. It is same as a firmware uploaded to 'Assembled PCB' when shipped. Use this file if you have any trouble with compiling firmware yourself.

To define your keymap you have to edit and compile it from source code, anyway.

Enjoy!

Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Thu, 02 July 2015, 10:55:52
Lets try this again...

I got my PCBs a few days ago, thanks hasu :D.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cooldiscretion on Thu, 02 July 2015, 11:12:15
If anyone has an additional PCB I can buy I'm extremely interested.  Otherwise, if a round 3 might happen at some point count me in.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Thu, 02 July 2015, 12:14:34
I received mine yesterday. Thank you, hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 02 July 2015, 12:45:56
I also received mine yesterday! I had all my orange alps switches harvested and ready to go, and having recently received my AEKII plate from Nubbinator, I jumped right in on the assembly.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/289/19358044225_cee86ba86b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vuB38c)
Orange Alps Custom Keyboard (https://flic.kr/p/vuB38c) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr

Everything's working fine so far as I've tested it. My keycaps have been cleaned and are drying. I'm still not sure on my plans for a case but I'll probably try something unique for this already very unique project.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Thu, 02 July 2015, 13:14:40
Those cases appear to have thicker PCB support fins than plastic Poker case does. I'm not sure this PCB has enough clearance for the thick fins, current clearance is around 2.3mm in design but it may depends on how you solder diodes too.

I plan on using a TEX aluminum case. Besides ease of access to the diodes, would there be any issue with mounting the diode on the other side of the PCB if one of those support fins is causing an obstruction?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 July 2015, 13:15:10
I also received mine yesterday! I had all my orange alps switches harvested and ready to go, and having recently received my AEKII plate from Nubbinator, I jumped right in on the assembly.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/289/19358044225_cee86ba86b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vuB38c)
Orange Alps Custom Keyboard (https://flic.kr/p/vuB38c) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr

Everything's working fine so far as I've tested it. My keycaps have been cleaned and are drying. I'm still not sure on my plans for a case but I'll probably try something unique for this already very unique project.

That's hot
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 02 July 2015, 13:31:55
Got my PCB yesterday.  Thanks hasu.

Now just got to find a plate.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 02 July 2015, 13:36:11
Nubbinator has a few left in his gb https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71416
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 02 July 2015, 14:45:32
Those cases appear to have thicker PCB support fins than plastic Poker case does. I'm not sure this PCB has enough clearance for the thick fins, current clearance is around 2.3mm in design but it may depends on how you solder diodes too.

I plan on using a TEX aluminum case. Besides ease of access to the diodes, would there be any issue with mounting the diode on the other side of the PCB if one of those support fins is causing an obstruction?

You can place diodes on either side of PCB.



Added this note about diode assembly in the first post.

Diodes
Diode has polarity and won't work if you solder it reversely. Diode have two leads, cathode and anode and you can discrimitate them by cathode mark on it. Black marking side of diode is cathode lead and cathode is soldered on square land while anode on round land.
(http://i.imgur.com/mhQrQXkh.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Thu, 02 July 2015, 18:54:35
Just assembled my board and works perfectly!

First custom board I've done and even though I thought I had seriously screwed up halfway through, it all worked out perfectly. Thanks hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: kennardsmith on Thu, 02 July 2015, 20:56:49
got an AEK recently. If there is every a round 3 I'm in :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: apathy3cs on Sat, 04 July 2015, 03:28:57
got mine yesterday and looks great - Thanks Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Sun, 05 July 2015, 22:44:14
Hey all, if any of you guys are interested in a KBT Pure like layout for this, you can pull from my github: https://gist.github.com/thisisshi/d1acccbd97b5d4bb3aa3

One note about flashing the firmware, be sure to select ATmega32u2 if you're deploying the firmware via the GUI application

Layout is as follows:

First Layer: Normal ANSI, Fn is the right hand Apple/Command Key

Second Layer:

Fn + ESC = `~
Fn + LShift = Ctrl + Alt + Del
Fn + 1 through += = F1-F12
Fn + delete = delete
Fn + I = Insert
Fn = Right Apple/Command
Fn + |\ = Mute
Fn + ]} = Vol Up
Fn + [{ = Vol Down
Fn + P = Print Screen
Fn + O/K/L/; = Up/Left/Down/Right
Fn + '" = Scroll Lock
Fn + J = Pg Up
Fn + M = Pg Down
Fn + <, = Home
Fn + >. = End
Fn + /? = Pause
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cooldiscretion on Mon, 06 July 2015, 16:41:04
Any plans for R3 or any leftover PCBs that someone could spare a fool that didn't buy when he had the chance?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Mon, 06 July 2015, 22:35:20
I finally got my PCB today! I can confirm that it perfectly fits in KBP V60 case. Awesome work, hasu, Thank you! :thumb:
[attach=1]
[attach=2]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 06 July 2015, 22:42:55
Great! :D
Thanks for letting us know ctm.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 06 July 2015, 22:44:25
Still waiting on mine. Tracking hasn't changed since 6/25 when the package arrived at "office of inward exchange" (customs) here in the US. :(
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Mon, 06 July 2015, 22:52:04
I have a problem uploading the firmware to keyboard.  I pressed the white button to start bootloader mode and when I do lsusb in terminal, I can see a device described as "Atmel Corp." (it's not there before pressing the white button). However, when I run "make dfu", it shows the following:
avr-objcopy -O ihex -R .eeprom -R .fuse -R .lock -R .signature alps64.elf alps64.hex
dfu-programmer atmega32u2 erase
dfu-programmer: no device present.
make: *** [dfu] Error 1

I am not very sure about what's wrong here. Any advice is appreciated!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 06 July 2015, 22:54:05
Still waiting on mine. Tracking hasn't changed since 6/25 when the package arrived at "office of inward exchange" (customs) here in the US. :(

Use your country's Postal service  tracking page instead. Occasinally JP tracking page is not updated so often.
It is located in SAINT PAUL, MN now.
https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 06 July 2015, 22:58:18
Probably you don't have proper permission for the USB device.
Use sudo or do udev setting. This is my udev rule file.

Code: [Select]
$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/50-atmel-dfu.rules
# Atmel ATMega32U4
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="03eb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2ff4", MODE:="0666"
# Atmel USBKEY AT90USB1287
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="03eb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2ffb", MODE:="0666"
# Atmel ATMega32U2
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="03eb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2ff0", MODE:="0666"

I have a problem uploading the firmware to keyboard.  I pressed the white button to start bootloader mode and when I do lsusb in terminal, I can see a device described as "Atmel Corp." (it's not there before pressing the white button). However, when I run "make dfu", it shows the following:
avr-objcopy -O ihex -R .eeprom -R .fuse -R .lock -R .signature alps64.elf alps64.hex
dfu-programmer atmega32u2 erase
dfu-programmer: no device present.
make: *** [dfu] Error 1

I am not very sure about what's wrong here. Any advice is appreciated!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Mon, 06 July 2015, 23:01:35
Probably you don't have proper permission for the USB device.
Use sudo or do udev setting. This is my udev rule file.

Code: [Select]
$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/50-atmel-dfu.rules
# Atmel ATMega32U4
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="03eb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2ff4", MODE:="0666"
# Atmel USBKEY AT90USB1287
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="03eb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2ffb", MODE:="0666"
# Atmel ATMega32U2
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="03eb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="2ff0", MODE:="0666"

I have a problem uploading the firmware to keyboard.  I pressed the white button to start bootloader mode and when I do lsusb in terminal, I can see a device described as "Atmel Corp." (it's not there before pressing the white button). However, when I run "make dfu", it shows the following:
avr-objcopy -O ihex -R .eeprom -R .fuse -R .lock -R .signature alps64.elf alps64.hex
dfu-programmer atmega32u2 erase
dfu-programmer: no device present.
make: *** [dfu] Error 1

I am not very sure about what's wrong here. Any advice is appreciated!
Oh I forgot to use sudo. It now works perfect. Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Wed, 08 July 2015, 00:50:30
If there is ever a round three I would love to get in on it!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Wed, 08 July 2015, 08:13:16
Here's mine, using orange Alps from an Apple IIGS, keycaps from an AEKII, and a black TEX aluminum case.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/440/19335195338_94cecb7a8d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vszVWS)
Custom Alps 60% Keyboard (https://flic.kr/p/vszVWS) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr

Gotta mix up some Retrobright for that spacebar, I know.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: UKKeycaps on Wed, 08 July 2015, 08:54:19
I've always wanted an ALPS 60% board, I kinda suck at soldering though...

If anyone in the UK needs a plastic 60% case I've got them on my webstore? (shameless plug)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Wed, 08 July 2015, 09:45:03
Oooo, that 60% AEK looks great. Shame the ISO version doesn't fit the PCB :(.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Wed, 08 July 2015, 12:25:46
This is my board. Case, plate, switches (Matias quiet) are all from KBP V60. It looks identical to regular V60 but it's powered by TMK PCB and firmware! It's so much better than KBP stock firmware.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Wed, 08 July 2015, 13:07:50
This is my board. Case, plate, switches (Matias quiet) are all from KBP V60. It looks identical to regular V60 but it's powered by TMK PCB and firmware! It's so much better than KBP stock firmware.

That is awesome! I really like the idea of modifying the V60 with the PCB hasu designed.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Wed, 08 July 2015, 16:27:22
I don't have a unique photo to show off, but I did record a time-lapse of the entire build. Lame music is from YouTube's free music library.

https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA (https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 08 July 2015, 16:48:58
Best build log ever badboybry Holy ****. Interesting how you put solder on both sides of the diodes. I only solder the bottom side where the legs stick out.

Amazing trick with tweezers and the keyswitch tester.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Wed, 08 July 2015, 16:57:48
Best build log ever badboybry Holy ****. Interesting how you put solder on both sides of the diodes. I only solder the bottom side where the legs stick out.

Amazing trick with tweezers and the keyswitch tester.

Thanks so much cptbaddass! I wish I had recorded my other builds the same way.

I put solder on both sides of only certain diodes. That aluminum case I used has extra wide pcb supports compared to the stock poker II case which would have obstructed some diodes. So I had to mount certain diodes on the other side between the pcb and plate. The leads also had to be cut perfectly flush with the pcb. So I soldered on one side just to hold the diodes in place so I could get a flush cut when I flipped the pcb over.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: swill on Wed, 08 July 2015, 17:12:07
Best build log ever badboybry Holy ****. Interesting how you put solder on both sides of the diodes. I only solder the bottom side where the legs stick out.

Amazing trick with tweezers and the keyswitch tester.

Thanks so much cptbaddass! I wish I had recorded my other builds the same way.

I put solder on both sides of only certain diodes. That aluminum case I used has extra wide pcb supports compared to the stock poker II case which would have obstructed some diodes. So I had to mount certain diodes on the other side between the pcb and plate. The leads also had to be cut perfectly flush with the pcb. So I soldered on one side just to hold the diodes in place so I could get a flush cut when I flipped the pcb over.

Ya +1, that was well done.  GJ...
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: kennardsmith on Wed, 08 July 2015, 19:26:26
I don't have a unique photo to show off, but I did record a time-lapse of the entire build. Lame music is from YouTube's free music library.

https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA (https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA)

:O So cool! Thanks for posting that!

What plate are you using on that build?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 08 July 2015, 19:29:43
I don't have a unique photo to show off, but I did record a time-lapse of the entire build. Lame music is from YouTube's free music library.

https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA (https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA)

:O So cool! Thanks for posting that!

What plate are you using on that build?

The one from my group buy.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: kennardsmith on Wed, 08 July 2015, 19:40:10
I don't have a unique photo to show off, but I did record a time-lapse of the entire build. Lame music is from YouTube's free music library.

https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA (https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA)

:O So cool! Thanks for posting that!

What plate are you using on that build?

The one from my group buy.

Dang.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 08 July 2015, 19:46:08

I don't have a unique photo to show off, but I did record a time-lapse of the entire build. Lame music is from YouTube's free music library.

I am aroused.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: rsadek on Thu, 09 July 2015, 01:01:55
I don't have a unique photo to show off, but I did record a time-lapse of the entire build. Lame music is from YouTube's free music library.

https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA (https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA)

:O So cool! Thanks for posting that!

What plate are you using on that build?

The one from my group buy.
I love it! Can't wait to build mine....
Could you explain the one black switch where Ctrl/Caps goes?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 09 July 2015, 03:29:28
I put solder on both sides of only certain diodes. That aluminum case I used has extra wide pcb supports compared to the stock poker II case which would have obstructed some diodes. So I had to mount certain diodes on the other side between the pcb and plate. The leads also had to be cut perfectly flush with the pcb. So I soldered on one side just to hold the diodes in place so I could get a flush cut when I flipped the pcb over.

Really nicely done and thanks for the video!

What is your alu case actually?  And how thick is pcb support of the case?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Thu, 09 July 2015, 07:45:33
I love it! Can't wait to build mine....
Could you explain the one black switch where Ctrl/Caps goes?

The switch with the black shell is an alps latching switch. It stays down when you push it and comes back up when you push it again. It's quite handy for identifying caps lock state when you have no LEDs. It's the one switch I harvested from the AEK II in the beginning of the video. I took advantage of the mechanical locking support in the TMK keyboard firmware. Speaking of which, I must say that defining the keymap I wanted was much easier than I thought it would be.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 09 July 2015, 07:55:42
Any ideas about a plate gb yet, whether it be another round of AEK ll, or something else?

I think it would make sense to run the next one as a standard ANSI plate, for those with caps from the Dell AT101 or what have you. People could trade with others to get the AEK II ones, if some people ordered more than what they needed.

We will just have to wait until nubbinator is finished with the current plate buy, and see how he feels about running another one.

Any new info on these plates?

I would really like a plate that I can use caps from a AT101, or SGI on.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Thu, 09 July 2015, 08:11:05
Really nicely done and thanks for the video!

What is your alu case actually?  And how thick is pcb support of the case?

You're welcome!

This is the case I used: http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=630 (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=630) I didn't take any measurements I must admit. I just played it safe since I didn't want to run into any problems when fitting the pcb into the case. My estimate would be between 2mm to 3mm.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: manofinterests on Thu, 09 July 2015, 11:44:52
I hope there is a round 3 for this group buy because I would be so ready  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Thu, 09 July 2015, 12:21:32
I hope there is a round 3 for this group buy because I would be so ready  ;D

Yeah I missed out on round 2 because of my money being tied up. I hope there is a round 3 as well so I can build a 60% Mac Extended Keyboard. Like the one njbair did.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 09 July 2015, 13:24:48
I don't have a unique photo to show off, but I did record a time-lapse of the entire build. Lame music is from YouTube's free music library.

https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA (https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA)

[attach=1]

I saw that.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Thu, 09 July 2015, 13:34:30
I don't have a unique photo to show off, but I did record a time-lapse of the entire build. Lame music is from YouTube's free music library.

https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA (https://youtu.be/iPFpRDYz2cA)

(Attachment Link)

I saw that.

LOL! I was wondering if anyone would notice.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: zenless on Thu, 09 July 2015, 15:31:21
This looks really cool. I love soldering (it's relaxing), and Alps are sweet. I'd love to build this. Hopefully there's another round! Watching this thread  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Thu, 09 July 2015, 19:51:48
It looks as though there are a few of us that are interested in another round for this GB :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 09 July 2015, 19:56:49
It looks as though there are a few of us that are interested in another round for this GB :)

This should be a stock item in someone's online shop.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: merlin64 on Thu, 09 July 2015, 20:00:04
Count me in for a round 3....whenever that happens =).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 09 July 2015, 21:57:25
Thanks all for your support.
Seems like most of second run orders has arrived, except for two. I'll continue to deal with those two until final delivery.
Post problem or findind during your build so that I can revise PCB design from your feedback.


Rround 3 can be organized if we take orders of twenty more PCBs.  But before start it I'd like to wait enough for feedbacks from Rev.A and Rev.B PCB users. After some period I'll be able to part with left over from second run, around five boards before Round 3.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 09 July 2015, 22:00:01
I would probably order at least one more if R3 came around.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 09 July 2015, 22:07:09
I know I'll need another 1-2.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: RickyJ on Thu, 09 July 2015, 22:19:51
Now that I have one for my blues, I'll need another one for my greens.  But first I need plates and normal ANSI keysets. :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Thu, 09 July 2015, 23:38:33
Thanks all for your support.
Seems like most of second run orders has arrived, except for two. I'll continue to deal with those two until final delivery.
Post problem or findind during your build so that I can revise PCB design from your feedback.


Rround 3 can be organized if we take orders of twenty more PCBs.  But before start it I'd like to wait enough for feedbacks from Rev.A and Rev.B PCB users. After some period I'll be able to part with left over from second run, around five boards before Round 3.

That sounds excellent! I'll be the first to place my order! I'll definitely do what ctm did by transplanting v60 components to the board. I'll probably even find a nice aluminum case to go with it.  :p
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: kennardsmith on Fri, 10 July 2015, 13:29:12
I'm in for at least 2 for R3
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 10 July 2015, 15:20:57
Hasu, thanks again!

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but the PCB fits perfectly with Tex Acrylic case (See picture below).


I dremeled, filed, scrubbed and painted a Dell AT101W plate. Its not perfect but it doesn't look too bad in my eyes. I can't wait for Badwrench's DCS Infinity modifier kit!

(http://i.imgur.com/V3596RD.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/wBpS0Iu.png)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: joey on Fri, 10 July 2015, 15:29:06
I've always wanted an ALPS 60% board, I kinda suck at soldering though...

If anyone in the UK needs a plastic 60% case I've got them on my webstore? (shameless plug)
If you get in round 3, I'll be happy to solder it for you.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Fri, 10 July 2015, 15:31:47
Nice job SJHL. that plate looks like it was custom CNC'd!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: badboybry9000 on Fri, 10 July 2015, 15:46:17
Nice job SJHL. that plate looks like it was custom CNC'd!

No joke! I am stunned by the appearance of that plate. Well done!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 10 July 2015, 15:57:19
Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Fri, 10 July 2015, 16:16:19
Thank you!
I also like how you put a white on the capslock I'm definitely going to copy that :P
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 10 July 2015, 16:18:46
That's probably a locking cream alps. At least I hope it is haha. I have one on the function layer key on my Minitouch.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 10 July 2015, 16:46:08
Yeah, it's a lock switch. Figured that I should use it since I had one.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Frizer on Fri, 10 July 2015, 19:25:13
Lovely job, is the TEX acrylic case available anywhere other than MD?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Fri, 10 July 2015, 21:15:29
Lovely job, is the TEX acrylic case available anywhere other than MD?

Currently exclusive to Massdrop. The current buy ends in 2 days.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 10 July 2015, 21:41:09
I'm going to end up waiting until late August to get my metal TEX from MD. Such is life.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Sat, 11 July 2015, 12:20:05
Took some pictures of my completed board:
http://imgur.com/a/DZXiZ

Thanks Hasu for the PCB and Nubb for the plate!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Sat, 11 July 2015, 12:21:31
Took some pictures of my completed board:
http://imgur.com/a/DZXiZ

Thanks Hasu for the PCB and Nubb for the plate!
This looks great! I really hope there is a 3rd round.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Pyrelink on Sat, 11 July 2015, 19:22:03
I will definitely take a Round 3 PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Sun, 12 July 2015, 00:43:12
That's probably a locking cream alps. At least I hope it is haha. I have one on the function layer key on my Minitouch.

So then I'm assuming the TMK firmware supports this?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Sun, 12 July 2015, 00:44:46
I'm curious about how to implement this as well. I'm planning on using a locking switch for my build.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Sun, 12 July 2015, 00:47:27
I'm curious about how to implement this as well. I'm planning on using a locking switch for my build.

Tmk has support for locking switches I believe. Haven't read the documentation for it though
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Sun, 12 July 2015, 00:50:54
Hasu has documentation for capslock, numlock, and scroll lock, with a locking switch  but I haven't seen documentation for fn lock with a locking switch. Perhaps I missed or misread something.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Sun, 12 July 2015, 01:01:48
Ah, I see. Didn't realize you were talking about the fn key.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Yoe on Sun, 12 July 2015, 02:50:49

Hasu has documentation for capslock, numlock, and scroll lock, with a locking switch  but I haven't seen documentation for fn lock with a locking switch. Perhaps I missed or misread something.

If you use a locking switch in place of an momentary fn switch, you are all set. Just put it there and enjoy the locking function :) The thing with caps lock, scroll lock and num lock is that the "locking" is normally done in the software. Makes putting a locking switch there instead a bit harder as you need to adapt the firmware (no problem at all in TMK).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Sun, 12 July 2015, 04:34:50
Has anyone looked into replacement PBT spacebars that would match an AEKII set?

Does anyone know the size of the AEKII spacebar? I might look around and see if we can find a PBT alternative.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Sun, 12 July 2015, 13:05:25
Has anyone looked into replacement PBT spacebars that would match an AEKII set?

Does anyone know the size of the AEKII spacebar? I might look around and see if we can find a PBT alternative.
Matias is working on ALPS PBT caps and there are multiple sizes of spacebar. There might be one that fits AEKII.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Fri, 17 July 2015, 14:28:33
(http://i.imgur.com/2unduVa.jpg)

and done!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: kennardsmith on Fri, 17 July 2015, 15:10:27
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2unduVa.jpg)


and done!

Those mod colors are perfect! Well done!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 17 July 2015, 15:11:28
My life's biggest regret is not getting in on this group buy.  Rats.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Yoe on Fri, 17 July 2015, 15:33:38

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2unduVa.jpg)


and done!

Nice dye job! Is it Dylon? What colors did you use?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 17 July 2015, 15:36:53
Has anyone looked into replacement PBT spacebars that would match an AEKII set?

Does anyone know the size of the AEKII spacebar? I might look around and see if we can find a PBT alternative.
Matias is working on ALPS PBT caps and there are multiple sizes of spacebar. There might be one that fits AEKII.

If the white PBT caps they're making end up being the same shade of white as their ABS ones then they are going to be a very bright white.  I guess you could try to dye some to color match.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Fri, 17 July 2015, 16:11:31

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2unduVa.jpg)


and done!

Nice dye job! Is it Dylon? What colors did you use?

I bought a old mac keyboard with those modifiers, so I stole them from it :), I'll look it up tomorrow . so not that hardcore.. ;)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 17 July 2015, 18:21:10
Which mac keyboard did you get it from?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nevin on Fri, 17 July 2015, 18:27:28
Believe some of the datadesk adb keyboards?, also had a rounded f row that was a different color
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Fri, 17 July 2015, 18:34:12
Believe some of the datadesk adb keyboards?, also had a rounded f row that was a different color

Yep I was just about to say that. I had one when I was a kid. Had it for my Macintosh.

Here are pics of the DATADESK Lil'Big Board ADB keyboard that I'm guessing he used.

(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0001.jpg)

(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0003.jpg)

(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0017.jpg) (https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0007.jpg)

(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0008.jpg)


Oh and don't get the LittleFingers. It is not Alps and the keycaps are too small anyway.

There is a review of it by xDezor Here

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39350.0

Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 17 July 2015, 19:52:18
What a cute keyboard squeeee
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Yoe on Fri, 17 July 2015, 22:40:25

Believe some of the datadesk adb keyboards?, also had a rounded f row that was a different color

Yep I was just about to say that. I had one when I was a kid. Had it for my Macintosh.

Here are pics of the DATADESK Lil'Big Board ADB keyboard that I'm guessing he used.

Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0001.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0003.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0017.jpg)
Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0007.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0008.jpg)



Oh and don't get the LittleFingers. It is not Alps and the keycaps are too small anyway.

There is a review of it by xDezor Here

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39350.0

Great info! Thanks! :D

I should look for one of those... :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Fri, 17 July 2015, 23:03:28
I brought my new Alps 60% home this evening and got it set up on my Ubuntu desktop. I recently downsized my home office space, and a smaller keyboard is a really welcome change so far. I also spent a good bit of time this evening learning the TMK firmware and setting up my first custom config. I'm mainly a Dvorak user, but I often need to go back to QWERTY for certain things, including games. I'm also thinking about learning Colemak. So I borrowed the layout-switching idea from Poker-style boards (Fn+Q for QWERTY, Fn+D for Dvorak, etc.), and the HHKB layer from hasu's config (with Enter and Space as my momentary HHKB layer toggles), and frankensteined a setup that so far seems pretty solid for my use case.

I've got to say I really appreciate the TMK firmware. Having used the Infinity firmware (using the KLL spec), I very much prefer TMK. In fact, I am probably going to end up flashing both of my Infinity's with TMK. It's very well-documented and approachable, and the keymap syntax makes sense. So thanks to hasu for all of your hard work, not only on this PCB but on the firmware that makes it useful.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Sat, 18 July 2015, 04:28:43
Believe some of the datadesk adb keyboards?, also had a rounded f row that was a different color

Yep I was just about to say that. I had one when I was a kid. Had it for my Macintosh.

Here are pics of the DATADESK Lil'Big Board ADB keyboard that I'm guessing he used.

Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0001.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0003.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0017.jpg)
Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0007.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0008.jpg)



Oh and don't get the LittleFingers. It is not Alps and the keycaps are too small anyway.

There is a review of it by xDezor Here

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39350.0

ye it was a lil big Datadesk
it had fake alps in it and one black on enter. i bought it just because i wanted the colored modifiers.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Sat, 18 July 2015, 08:12:59
Believe some of the datadesk adb keyboards?, also had a rounded f row that was a different color

Yep I was just about to say that. I had one when I was a kid. Had it for my Macintosh.

Here are pics of the DATADESK Lil'Big Board ADB keyboard that I'm guessing he used.

Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0001.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0003.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0017.jpg)
Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0007.jpg)


Show Image
(https://www.vshopu.com/souldout/DD_LilBigBoard/DSCF0008.jpg)



Oh and don't get the LittleFingers. It is not Alps and the keycaps are too small anyway.

There is a review of it by xDezor Here

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39350.0

ye it was a lil big Datadesk
it had fake alps in it and one black on enter. i bought it just because i wanted the colored modifiers.
Well great find! I have been looking for one of these for years... With the colored modifiers or not, but all I can find is the littlefingers one.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Sun, 19 July 2015, 14:36:00
oh man Hasu, you are killing my freetime with this tmk firmware. now i have to create a million layers
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Mon, 20 July 2015, 20:07:36
oh man Hasu, you are killing my freetime with this tmk firmware. now i have to create a million layers

I was really tempted to do the same thing. But I ended up scrapping the mouse layers so I just have a HHKB function layer (triggered by either Space or Enter), and switchable QWERTY/Colemak/Dvorak layers. But it was still super fun learning the firmware and customizing my layout.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Tue, 21 July 2015, 01:21:00
This tapping function keys didn't work that great for me. I guess I tap too slow.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:49:38
This tapping function keys didn't work that great for me. I guess I tap too slow.

I don't think it's based on speed. I think it just waits until you release the key to trigger the action. For example when I press space down and hold it, nothing happens. If I press another key in my function layer while still holding it, the function layer's action is executed. But if I let up the space bar without pressing any other keys, no matter how long I held it down, the space character will appear onscreen.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Wed, 22 July 2015, 22:35:16
 :D :D :D Round 3?  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 23 July 2015, 00:27:10
I'll part with leftover from round 2 before starting round 3 :D

Several preassembled PCBs are available, which have cosmetic flaws like scars, blur silk prints or etc but they work functionally without problem. PM me if you are interested in getting one.

It costs 35(PCB)+10(Shipping)=$45USD in total and see the first post for the detail.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Thu, 23 July 2015, 05:57:57


I'll part with leftover from round 2 before starting round 3 :D

Several preassembled PCBs are available, which have cosmetic flaws like scars, blur silk prints or etc but they work functionally without problem. PM me if you are interested in getting one.

It costs 35(PCB)+10(Shipping)=$45USD in total and see the first post for the detail.

So sorry if this is bad for saying, but no discounts on the cosmetic defects or is this because there is no margin? If that is the case. I can understand that. Can you at least show us a example of what one of these cosmetic defects look like?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 23 July 2015, 07:15:39
As I said before all PCBs had more or less defects unfortunately because of sloppy production by cheap mediocre PCB house. The leftovers are a bit worse than others.

http://i.imgur.com/T4OilAr.jpg

Ugly silk prints and exposure of copper.



Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Thu, 23 July 2015, 07:36:33
As I said before all PCBs had more or less defects unfortunately because of sloppy production by cheap mediocre PCB house. The leftovers are a bit worse than others.

http://i.imgur.com/T4OilAr.jpg

Ugly silk prints and exposure of copper.

Oh... that's not so bad. I was thinking way worse. I will be fine with one of those. PM coming your way.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 23 July 2015, 08:30:25
Now I have to wait until the 11th of next month to buy a leftover PCB, already exploded my budget for keyboards.  :'(

I just hope that they are still available by that date...
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Thu, 23 July 2015, 14:12:27
I just PM'd you about one of the extra boards :>
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: zenless on Thu, 23 July 2015, 14:26:54
Now I have to wait until the 11th of next month to buy a leftover PCB, already exploded my budget for keyboards.  :'(

I just hope that they are still available by that date...

Shoot i hear that. I need to sell some stuff off so i can take on this as a project :-/
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: AKmalamute on Thu, 23 July 2015, 15:19:24
Hopefully I responded in time. I've responded to Hasu's reply-PM about one of the boards.

Should go with that plate I just bought quite nicely ... now, where to get those weird stabilizers?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: gogusrl on Fri, 24 July 2015, 04:35:28
sent a pm as well.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: lishi on Sun, 26 July 2015, 20:07:59
Hi All,

Just started an interest check for an Apple Extended Keyboard style label for your Alps 60%'s!

I've already printed out the labels, if you're interested make sure to post in here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73915.0 or send me a PM!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:32:18
Is there any place on this PCB that I might hook up a LED to? I really wish to have a LED as a layer indicator.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:33:46
My life's biggest regret is not getting in on this group buy.  Rats.

yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip. fingers crossed for another run.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Wed, 29 July 2015, 16:57:23
Is there any place on this PCB that I might hook up a LED to? I really wish to have a LED as a layer indicator.

According to the schematics pins C4, C6, and C7 are unused.

They are not broken out anywhere so you will have to solder a wire directly to the chip.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Karura on Thu, 30 July 2015, 05:48:28
would it be possible to support backlit for this in the future?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Thu, 30 July 2015, 08:36:58
Is there any place on this PCB that I might hook up a LED to? I really wish to have a LED as a layer indicator.

According to the schematics pins C4, C6, and C7 are unused.

They are not broken out anywhere so you will have to solder a wire directly to the chip.
Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: kennardsmith on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:47:47
I got my B-stock from R2 in the mail last night. It looks to be of better quality than some folks are getting for their Infinity PCBs.

Thanks, hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Lurch on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:04:50
does anyone have an extra pcb they would like to sell? shoot me a pm if so :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: zenless on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:19:30
Yeah i snoozed on the b-stock, by the time i got around to responding they were gone.. I'll just hope for another GB!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Tue, 11 August 2015, 09:52:02
I notice a small problem with V60 case. It's not a perfectly exact fit of the case and causes a slight deform. This makes the four rubber feet under the case not even, and also makes the spacebar get stuck with the case in rare occasions. From my observation, the bottom edge of the plate is now closer to the case, compared to the stock PCB. Can this be a problem of my assembly? Any idea how to fix this?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Tue, 11 August 2015, 10:06:17
I notice a small problem with V60 case. It's not a perfectly exact fit of the case and causes a slight deform. This makes the four rubber feet under the case not even, and also makes the spacebar get stuck with the case in rare occasions. From my observation, the bottom edge of the plate is now closer to the case, compared to the stock PCB. Can this be a problem of my assembly? Any idea how to fix this?

I noticed the same thing, but thought it was just me. I think the two holes for the pins may just be a tiny bit off. I think if you take a fine file to it and enlarge the holes a little it will fit without warping. I put mine in a different case so didn't try this myself.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Tue, 11 August 2015, 10:33:16
Which pins are you referring to?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Tue, 11 August 2015, 12:50:05
Which pins are you referring to?

There are two plastic pins sticking up in the center of the V60 case that fit into holes in the bottom of the PCB.

Between T,Y and U,I.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 17:09:15
Which pins are you referring to?

There are two plastic pins sticking up in the center of the V60 case that fit into holes in the bottom of the PCB.

Between T,Y and U,I.

(http://i.imgur.com/Mj51unC.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/WiYtefc.jpg)

Those holes on my PCB should have been bigger for safer tolerance. I'll change them on next revision. I don't have V60 so let me know how the holes are off to the pins, it would be useful to fix.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 11 August 2015, 17:30:35
I was thinking about 60% alps boards today, and this happened to show up on spy.  I would love to get in for at least 2 if another round comes up. 

Hasu, how much interest do you need before starting another group buy?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 17:32:21
At this moment I don't know when next round starts but I made Google form for interest check. (This is mainly for purpose to learn how form works.)

Fill in the form if you are interested in next round of this PCB and don't want to check this thread periodically. I'll let you know via PM when it starts.
http://goo.gl/forms/8f8RcZICuk

You don't necessarily have to fill the form to get PCB, use it only if you need notice from me.

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 17:33:16
I was thinking about 60% alps boards today, and this happened to show up on spy.  I would love to get in for at least 2 if another round comes up. 

Hasu, how much interest do you need before starting another group buy?

We need 25 at least to order.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 11 August 2015, 17:36:32
At this moment I don't know when next round starts but I made Google form for interest check. (This is mainly for purpose to learn how form works.)

Fill in the form if you are interested in next round of this PCB and check this thread periodically. I'll let you know via PM when it starts.
http://goo.gl/forms/8f8RcZICuk

You don't necessarily have to fill the form to get PCB, use it only if you need notice from me.

Thanks

Alright, I signed the petition to make the world a better place.  I have all of these linear greens and nothing good to do with them.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Tue, 11 August 2015, 18:57:07
Which pins are you referring to?

There are two plastic pins sticking up in the center of the V60 case that fit into holes in the bottom of the PCB.

Between T,Y and U,I.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Mj51unC.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/WiYtefc.jpg)


Those holes on my PCB should have been bigger for safer tolerance. I'll change them on next revision. I don't have V60 so let me know how the holes are off to the pins, it would be useful to fix.
I just expanded the two holes a little larger but it does not seem to work. The problem is probably not here. It might be from the USB connector. I compared the TMK PCB to the stock V60 PCB and the USB part is the only difference I can spot. (It will probably be easier to determine the problem if I don't have switches and plates over the PCB, but I really don't want to desolder all the switches and then solder them back). As shown in the following pictures, the USB part of the stock PCB is completely flat while the TMK one sticks out a little. Maybe this is the problem? Will anything bad happen if I flatten the sticking out part with a fine file?
[attach=1]
[attach=2]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 19:16:58
Filing that part of PCB is probably alright.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Tue, 11 August 2015, 20:00:34
Filing that part of PCB is probably alright.
It looks to me that the two parts in red circle will be filed away if I file it. Is that really OK? That shiny part looks like soldering.
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Tue, 11 August 2015, 20:04:52
Filing that part of PCB is probably alright.
It looks to me that the two parts in red circle will be filed away if I file it. Is that really OK? That shiny part looks like soldering.
(Attachment Link)

I have a bare board I can put in my V60 case. Just need to take it apart. Don't file your PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 20:31:57
Filing that part of PCB is probably alright.
It looks to me that the two parts in red circle will be filed away if I file it. Is that really OK? That shiny part looks like soldering.
(Attachment Link)

It may weaken USB connector firmness mecanically but no problem electrically. I don't recommend but you are probably OK.

And check a-c 's post before filing.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1792742#msg1792742
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Tue, 11 August 2015, 20:40:02
(http://i.imgur.com/2apt2Cr.jpg)

Yes, the case is pressing against the little extended tab. I would file down the case though, instead of the PCB. You just need to remove enough so the tab will fit into the case a bit.

The two pins actually look ok as they are.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Tue, 11 August 2015, 20:51:06
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2apt2Cr.jpg)


Yes, the case is pressing against the little extended tab. I would file down the case though, instead of the PCB. You just need to remove enough so the tab will fit into the case a bit.

The two pins actually look ok as they are.
Thank you very much! I thought twice and concluded putting the PCB at risk is too much risk for me. If the PCB fails I will lose my precious programmable keyboard. I will file the case instead.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 21:26:42
OK.
Removing of that tab of PCB from current design is not possible. This problem won't be fixed in next revision.


I added caveat on the first post.
"
To install this PCB into KBP V60 case you have to file case or PCB.
"
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Tue, 11 August 2015, 22:54:06
Thank you very much! I thought twice and concluded putting the PCB at risk is too much risk for me. If the PCB fails I will lose my precious programmable keyboard. I will file the case instead.

Decided to give it another try. Used a dremel with a small grinder wheel. Took off about half the thickness of the wall. You can't see it at all from the outside.
(http://i.imgur.com/G0NbPb2.jpg)

Now the board stays flat when screwed down. The USB port sicks out a tiny bit from the back.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Tue, 11 August 2015, 23:34:21
Thank you very much! I thought twice and concluded putting the PCB at risk is too much risk for me. If the PCB fails I will lose my precious programmable keyboard. I will file the case instead.

Decided to give it another try. Used a dremel with a small grinder wheel. Took off about half the thickness of the wall. You can't see it at all from the outside.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/G0NbPb2.jpg)


Now the board stays flat when screwed down. The USB port sicks out a tiny bit from the back.

I always say, you can't have a custom keyboard without a rotary tool.

Actually I've never said that before. But it's true probably?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:42:37
I filed my case. It now fits perfectly. Thanks a million to a-c and hasu!
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:46:34
I always say, you can't have a custom keyboard without a rotary tool.

Actually I've never said that before. But it's true probably?
The creator of the rotary tool should be made a saint by the Church, that's how important I see them. (I was into casemodding long before my interest on mechanical keyboards.)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:54:31
hmm, will this case issue be a problem with a stock Poker II case?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:46:39
hmm, will this case issue be a problem with a stock Poker II case?

No, the V60 just has a super tight case. The PCB fits perfectly inside with zero play.

Poker II/Pok3R have much more space to move around.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: skikarl on Sat, 15 August 2015, 11:42:11
damn! i have 108 alps creams that are from an apple extended ii that i want to make in to a custom board! then someone points me to this thread and i cant even buy this board! Very interested in a run 3 of this bad boy right here. i like how it looks with your apple key caps. i am planing on using the caps from the AEii as well on mine, the caps are rather clean and a nice grey color. i also like the unique legends on them. nice looking pcb at a very reasonable price! And from what i have read it fits nicely in a poker case?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 15 August 2015, 11:48:04
damn! i have 108 alps creams that are from an apple extended ii that i want to make in to a custom board! then someone points me to this thread and i cant even buy this board! Very interested in a run 3 of this bad boy right here. i like how it looks with your apple key caps. i am planing on using the caps from the AEii as well on mine, the caps are rather clean and a nice grey color. i also like the unique legends on them. nice looking pcb at a very reasonable price! And from what i have read it fits nicely in a poker case?

IC for a relevant project will be up soonish.  Keep your eyes peeled.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 15 August 2015, 12:18:43
IC for a relevant project will be up soonish.  Keep your eyes peeled.

Oh really?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Sat, 15 August 2015, 12:49:37
damn! i have 108 alps creams that are from an apple extended ii that i want to make in to a custom board! then someone points me to this thread and i cant even buy this board! Very interested in a run 3 of this bad boy right here. i like how it looks with your apple key caps. i am planing on using the caps from the AEii as well on mine, the caps are rather clean and a nice grey color. i also like the unique legends on them. nice looking pcb at a very reasonable price! And from what i have read it fits nicely in a poker case?

IC for a relevant project will be up soonish.  Keep your eyes peeled.

Please post about it here for us lazy folks!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 15 August 2015, 18:28:05
IC for a relevant project will be up soonish.  Keep your eyes peeled.

Oh really?

damn! i have 108 alps creams that are from an apple extended ii that i want to make in to a custom board! then someone points me to this thread and i cant even buy this board! Very interested in a run 3 of this bad boy right here. i like how it looks with your apple key caps. i am planing on using the caps from the AEii as well on mine, the caps are rather clean and a nice grey color. i also like the unique legends on them. nice looking pcb at a very reasonable price! And from what i have read it fits nicely in a poker case?

IC for a relevant project will be up soonish.  Keep your eyes peeled.

Please post about it here for us lazy folks!

It's happening!!! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74524.0)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: henz on Sun, 30 August 2015, 12:39:46
heck id be in for another one. love my alps board :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Sun, 30 August 2015, 17:58:55
Ok got my keyboard built, no issues there. I'm typing on it now...  ;D but my issue is with the TMK software. I have used Easy AVR but not TMK. I think I have everything right but I'm getting a error when I "make" the file.

Code: [Select]
/usr/bin/sh: dfu-programmer: command not found
/usr/bin/sh: dfu-programmer: command not found

-------- begin --------
avr-gcc (WinAVR 20100110) 4.3.3
Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.


mkdir -p obj_alps64
Compiling C: keymap_plain.c
avr-gcc -c -mmcu=atmega32u2 -gdwarf-2 -DF_CPU=16000000UL -DINTERRUPT_CONTROL_ENDPOINT -DBOOTLOADER_SIZE=4096 -DF_USB=16000000UL -DARCH=ARCH_AVR8 -DUSB_DEVICE_ONLY -DUSE_FLASH_DESCRIPTORS -DUSE_STATIC_OPTIONS="(USB_DEVICE_OPT_FULLSPEED | USB_OPT_REG_ENABLED | USB_OPT_AUTO_PLL)" -DFIXED_CONTROL_ENDPOINT_SIZE=8  -DFIXED_NUM_CONFIGURATIONS=1 -DPROTOCOL_LUFA -DEXTRAKEY_ENABLE -DCONSOLE_ENABLE -DCOMMAND_ENABLE -DVERSION=unknown -Os -funsigned-char -funsigned-bitfields -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-inline-small-functions -fpack-struct -fshort-enums -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wa,-adhlns=obj_alps64/keymap_plain.lst -I. -I../../tmk_core -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/LUFA-git -I../../tmk_core/common -std=gnu99 -include config.h -MMD -MP -MF .dep/obj_alps64_keymap_plain.o.d  keymap_plain.c -o obj_alps64/keymap_plain.o

mkdir -p obj_alps64
Compiling C: keymap_common.c
avr-gcc -c -mmcu=atmega32u2 -gdwarf-2 -DF_CPU=16000000UL -DINTERRUPT_CONTROL_ENDPOINT -DBOOTLOADER_SIZE=4096 -DF_USB=16000000UL -DARCH=ARCH_AVR8 -DUSB_DEVICE_ONLY -DUSE_FLASH_DESCRIPTORS -DUSE_STATIC_OPTIONS="(USB_DEVICE_OPT_FULLSPEED | USB_OPT_REG_ENABLED | USB_OPT_AUTO_PLL)" -DFIXED_CONTROL_ENDPOINT_SIZE=8  -DFIXED_NUM_CONFIGURATIONS=1 -DPROTOCOL_LUFA -DEXTRAKEY_ENABLE -DCONSOLE_ENABLE -DCOMMAND_ENABLE -DVERSION=unknown -Os -funsigned-char -funsigned-bitfields -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-inline-small-functions -fpack-struct -fshort-enums -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wa,-adhlns=obj_alps64/keymap_common.lst -I. -I../../tmk_core -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/LUFA-git -I../../tmk_core/common -std=gnu99 -include config.h -MMD -MP -MF .dep/obj_alps64_keymap_common.o.d  keymap_common.c -o obj_alps64/keymap_common.o

mkdir -p obj_alps64
Compiling C: matrix.c
avr-gcc -c -mmcu=atmega32u2 -gdwarf-2 -DF_CPU=16000000UL -DINTERRUPT_CONTROL_ENDPOINT -DBOOTLOADER_SIZE=4096 -DF_USB=16000000UL -DARCH=ARCH_AVR8 -DUSB_DEVICE_ONLY -DUSE_FLASH_DESCRIPTORS -DUSE_STATIC_OPTIONS="(USB_DEVICE_OPT_FULLSPEED | USB_OPT_REG_ENABLED | USB_OPT_AUTO_PLL)" -DFIXED_CONTROL_ENDPOINT_SIZE=8  -DFIXED_NUM_CONFIGURATIONS=1 -DPROTOCOL_LUFA -DEXTRAKEY_ENABLE -DCONSOLE_ENABLE -DCOMMAND_ENABLE -DVERSION=unknown -Os -funsigned-char -funsigned-bitfields -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-inline-small-functions -fpack-struct -fshort-enums -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wa,-adhlns=obj_alps64/matrix.lst -I. -I../../tmk_core -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/LUFA-git -I../../tmk_core/common -std=gnu99 -include config.h -MMD -MP -MF .dep/obj_alps64_matrix.o.d  matrix.c -o obj_alps64/matrix.o

mkdir -p obj_alps64
Compiling C: led.c
avr-gcc -c -mmcu=atmega32u2 -gdwarf-2 -DF_CPU=16000000UL -DINTERRUPT_CONTROL_ENDPOINT -DBOOTLOADER_SIZE=4096 -DF_USB=16000000UL -DARCH=ARCH_AVR8 -DUSB_DEVICE_ONLY -DUSE_FLASH_DESCRIPTORS -DUSE_STATIC_OPTIONS="(USB_DEVICE_OPT_FULLSPEED | USB_OPT_REG_ENABLED | USB_OPT_AUTO_PLL)" -DFIXED_CONTROL_ENDPOINT_SIZE=8  -DFIXED_NUM_CONFIGURATIONS=1 -DPROTOCOL_LUFA -DEXTRAKEY_ENABLE -DCONSOLE_ENABLE -DCOMMAND_ENABLE -DVERSION=unknown -Os -funsigned-char -funsigned-bitfields -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-inline-small-functions -fpack-struct -fshort-enums -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wa,-adhlns=obj_alps64/led.lst -I. -I../../tmk_core -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/LUFA-git -I../../tmk_core/common -std=gnu99 -include config.h -MMD -MP -MF .dep/obj_alps64_led.o.d  led.c -o obj_alps64/led.o

mkdir -p obj_alps64/protocol/lufa
Compiling C: ../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/lufa.c
avr-gcc -c -mmcu=atmega32u2 -gdwarf-2 -DF_CPU=16000000UL -DINTERRUPT_CONTROL_ENDPOINT -DBOOTLOADER_SIZE=4096 -DF_USB=16000000UL -DARCH=ARCH_AVR8 -DUSB_DEVICE_ONLY -DUSE_FLASH_DESCRIPTORS -DUSE_STATIC_OPTIONS="(USB_DEVICE_OPT_FULLSPEED | USB_OPT_REG_ENABLED | USB_OPT_AUTO_PLL)" -DFIXED_CONTROL_ENDPOINT_SIZE=8  -DFIXED_NUM_CONFIGURATIONS=1 -DPROTOCOL_LUFA -DEXTRAKEY_ENABLE -DCONSOLE_ENABLE -DCOMMAND_ENABLE -DVERSION=unknown -Os -funsigned-char -funsigned-bitfields -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-inline-small-functions -fpack-struct -fshort-enums -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wa,-adhlns=obj_alps64/protocol/lufa/lufa.lst -I. -I../../tmk_core -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa -I../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/LUFA-git -I../../tmk_core/common -std=gnu99 -include config.h -MMD -MP -MF .dep/obj_alps64_protocol_lufa_lufa.o.d  ../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/lufa.c -o obj_alps64/protocol/lufa/lufa.o
../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/lufa.c: In function 'setup_mcu':
../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/lufa.c:575: warning: implicit declaration of function 'clock_prescale_set'
../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/lufa.c:575: error: 'clock_div_1' undeclared (first use in this function)
../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/lufa.c:575: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
../../tmk_core/protocol/lufa/lufa.c:575: error: for each function it appears in.)
make: *** [obj_alps64/protocol/lufa/lufa.o] Error 1

It seems to go fine till "mkdir -p obj_alps64/protocol/lufa"

Does anyone know where I'm going wrong?

Thanks for the help...
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 30 August 2015, 20:36:38
Probably your toolchanin is too old to support ATMega32u2.  Atmel AVR toolchain should work.
http://www.atmel.com/ja/jp/tools/ATMELAVRTOOLCHAINFORWINDOWS.aspx


I've always felt like writing how to install toolchain on windows but my laziness always wins.
I got updated my note to Win10 the otherday and have a plan to do it for the OS but ...
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: punkpc on Sun, 30 August 2015, 21:49:03
Probably your toolchanin is too old to support ATMega32u2.  Atmel AVR toolchain should work.
http://www.atmel.com/ja/jp/tools/ATMELAVRTOOLCHAINFORWINDOWS.aspx


I've always felt like writing how to install toolchain on windows but my laziness always wins.
I got updated my note to Win10 the otherday and have a plan to do it for the OS but ...

That was it! I just did a fresh install of Win 10 on my iMac and forgot to install AVR Tools... oops

all good now

Thanks :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Mon, 31 August 2015, 08:29:30
Finally got around to soldering my boards. When I plugged it in to flash the firmware it wouldn't recognize over USB and oddly disconnected my mouse. Took out my multi meter to poke around and found there was a short. After resoldering all the caps and the usb connector a few times the short was still there. I realized my soldering skills aren't that bad so I had a closer look at the '0.1uf caps'. I say '0.1uf caps' because they weren't caps at all. Based on the almost flat and black package with 000 etched on the top it looks like Digikey fudged my order and gave me 0 ohm resistors instead. What are the odds it damaged the Atmega32u2? USB has power protection so it should be alright? I imagine the disconnecting of my mouse was USB cutting power to save itself.

Anyways, they gave me unnecessary overnight shipping on $0.19 of smd caps  :))
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 31 August 2015, 08:54:01
What are the odds it damaged the Atmega32u2? USB has power protection so it should be alright? I imagine the disconnecting of my mouse was USB cutting power to save itself.
Yes, the newer PCs cut off USB when it starts drawing too much power.

The atmega chips tend be to quite resilient, they can survive a lot of abuse. This kind of stuff (shorts) happened to me a few times and the chips always survived (didn't try it with 32u2, but certainly 328p's and some attinys).

By the way, if those were supposed to be 0.1uF caps, then it is possible (even likely) that the board will work without them at all, although probably quite unreliably. They're 'just' for filtering the IC noise. I have some atxmega chips which run quite fine without these filtering caps. Not really recommended, but you might try it just to test before the caps arrive.

The only strictly required cap on 32u4 (and i would guess on 32u2 as well) is the 1uF cap on the UCAP pin (it's for the internal 3.3V voltage regulator, which is needed to be functional for the USB communication to work).
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: jevvix on Mon, 31 August 2015, 09:20:05
By the way, if those were supposed to be 0.1uF caps, then it is possible (even likely) that the board will work without them at all, although probably quite unreliably. They're 'just' for filtering the IC noise. I have some atxmega chips which run quite fine without these filtering caps. Not really recommended, but you might try it just to test before the caps arrive.

Good call. I just plugged it. It was instantly recognized and Flip allowed me to open the USB port connection to it. Seems it's just fine  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:01:58
This post made me in a sweat much about terrible mistake of my production. But I found shortly that I never have that size 0 ohm resistors in my workbench and you got raw PCBs without components from this GB. In fact I had a bad sweat in my armpit before I found this is not my fault ;D

Yep, microcontrollers are very tolerant of this kind of mess generally, you are OK in most cases.


Finally got around to soldering my boards. When I plugged it in to flash the firmware it wouldn't recognize over USB and oddly disconnected my mouse. Took out my multi meter to poke around and found there was a short. After resoldering all the caps and the usb connector a few times the short was still there. I realized my soldering skills aren't that bad so I had a closer look at the '0.1uf caps'. I say '0.1uf caps' because they weren't caps at all. Based on the almost flat and black package with 000 etched on the top it looks like Digikey fudged my order and gave me 0 ohm resistors instead. What are the odds it damaged the Atmega32u2? USB has power protection so it should be alright? I imagine the disconnecting of my mouse was USB cutting power to save itself.

Anyways, they gave me unnecessary overnight shipping on $0.19 of smd caps  :))
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sth on Tue, 01 September 2015, 07:40:12
i hope another round of these can be done! i was silly not to order one when I had the chance :(
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 02 September 2015, 10:42:47
i hope another round of these can be done! i was silly not to order one when I had the chance :(

Join us

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74524 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74524)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cutterline on Thu, 03 September 2015, 03:26:12
I wonder if it is possible to revise the pcb by adding another switch hole for left side of bottom row, beside the spacebar.
Something similar to minila air's fn layout so I can utilize both thumbs.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 03 September 2015, 04:04:12
I won't do that.
But feel free to use my KiCad file to design your own PCB and run GB if you need.

BTW, how are you going to get key caps for that layout?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cutterline on Thu, 03 September 2015, 19:42:43
I won't do that.
But feel free to use my KiCad file to design your own PCB and run GB if you need.

BTW, how are you going to get key caps for that layout?
Alright, thanks.

Well, most viable options would be 3D printing and only one keycap, the spacebar as this is the only thing without the keycaps, but I haven't really put everything onto paper yet so anything may change and of course if laziness wave don't hit me really hard.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: mattbox on Thu, 03 September 2015, 21:01:39
i hope another round of these can be done! i was silly not to order one when I had the chance :(

Same here, hopefully there will be a second round with a possible v2.0 of the board.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 03 September 2015, 21:10:19
i hope another round of these can be done! i was silly not to order one when I had the chance :(

Same here, hopefully there will be a second round with a possible v2.0 of the board.

Actually, since you missed the post 2-3 replies before you, there have already been two rounds, and a third one is in IC phase here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74524.0
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Sun, 06 September 2015, 22:12:26
Anyone have firmware to match KBP V60's layout? If so, it would save me a lot of time  :))
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sth on Mon, 07 September 2015, 00:19:25
Anyone have firmware to match KBP V60's layout? If so, it would save me a lot of time  :))

modifying tmk layouts is pretty simple, just  follow the directions on the github :) post if you have any specific questions, im sure people will be glad to help you out!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 09 September 2015, 23:29:15
On the KBP, you're able to press Alt+Enter to enable arrow keys on the Shift, ctrl, win, func keys. Are you able to make the TMK firmware do the same thing?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Wed, 09 September 2015, 23:45:43
yes, i think it is possible.

More
Use ACTION_LAYER_MODS(1, MOD_LALT) for the Alt key to 'change to layer1'  with keeping modifier function(Alt).
Then on layer1 define Enter key as 'toggle layer2'. And on layer2 you can define the cursor keys.

This is Poker X like keymap for GH60, in this keymap you can toggle cursor keys with Fn+Space. I think you can refer it as a start point.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/gh60/keymap_poker.c
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Thu, 10 September 2015, 07:41:10
On the KBP, you're able to press Alt+Enter to enable arrow keys on the Shift, ctrl, win, func keys. Are you able to make the TMK firmware do the same thing?
It's possible but there is no LED on the TMK PCB so you can't tell if the the arrow key layer is activated. One solution is to use dual role keys like this https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41685.0. I now like dual role more than the KBP design.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: StormyMonday on Thu, 10 September 2015, 11:57:30
Anyone have firmware to match KBP V60's layout? If so, it would save me a lot of time  :))

I found this intro to TMK to be very helpful:

http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/how-to-build-your-very-own-keyboard-firmware-t7177.html
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Thu, 24 September 2015, 18:20:58
BlueNalgene's GB starts now.
You can get my assembled Alps 60% PCB with plate and switches from the GB.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.0

This GB is organized in US and the itmes are shipped from there, this will makes shipping cost lower for paticipants in the country. Shipping cost seems to be not decided, though.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Hzza on Sun, 18 October 2015, 16:51:51
Just wanted to post this here to say thanks to hasu for this awesome PCB and a super fun project. 

(http://i.imgur.com/GvNDY16.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sun, 18 October 2015, 17:20:16
Just wanted to post this here to say thanks to hasu for this awesome PCB and a super fun project. 

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GvNDY16.jpg)

European Portuguese layout (slightly modified), nice. :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Tue, 27 October 2015, 21:22:03
As for Firmware Build on Windows:
People have had some problems of building firmware on Windows. People on Windows tend to use WinAVR and this is definitely a cause.

Problems are:
1) WinAVR may not work on newer Windows like Win8 and Win10.
2) Alps64 PCB has ATmega32u2 as controller but WinAVR doesn't support it.

You have to update some files of WinAVR to compile it on those OS's.
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/tmk-keyboard-firmware-collection-t4478-180.html#p260436

WinAVR is very handy all-in-one package but too old. I reccomend to move to newer toolchain like Atmel's GCC and Cygwin(MinGW) for other command line tools.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/doc/build.md


I'll setup keymap editor for Alps64 PCB later, so if you are frustrated much at these things you can just wait for the editor. With the editor you can make your keymap easily with mouse, it will be useful enough unless you want complex keymap. Not that you sitll have to compile firmware yourself to use full features of TMK.
This is editor for HHKB, for example.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/hhkb/index.html
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sat, 07 November 2015, 23:54:58
TMK keymap editor for Alps64  is available now.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html


My Alps64 keymap URL, for example.
More
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html#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
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 08 November 2015, 00:14:59
TMK keymap editor for Alps64  is available now.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html


My Alps64 keymap URL, for example.
More
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html#456C4oOW4Kmg6biL5oKGcOOOiNeA5rWM4KaA7LCA5oCG6IGGw5jgoJXogJbmjqrjs6LDoOKcgeOgjOuygeeQj+WcouK+peiiv+KxuO2ukuyxjeqUgO6zrOStte6WiemZle63uuWQqeWJpeKbpOuStOWquuqrgeWmqOWngOWRuu6ZuOi1o+mRj+KErOazleaMpOycv+GxmOG2kuOgkeyuuOilmO6OhuWEme6Est+T462Y6q2Q7o+Q7oCo74y774+F46+x4YWZ4YmI7oeI7oCy54ir6oun4YWW5Zum4qOX5ZC14YeW45K145Gm65i345+X55W055uX652255CN75yR6ZOw5ZKP75GO4LOW75OO6LyP7La35LmN7Le16rOM5rq16Lmh4r2V5rO24r6t4bms6b2t6bic6rSs4bm36ZKK5YKa5YiG5Y+d5a6Z64WP7LWg5Kiy5Kyt4rCx74iL4q6x2Yjkkqvph7LhrJLfiOaVseKEseS4oOmEudSe4LiG5ZeM74Wr45qH4bqK5qec54aP5p6r7Jyb4L+455a+57yG4b+G7pGE36zkuaDomqTijJjthofpt6Hoo47mg5vumozmkqzrhZXnjKTps4/op5viibnpjLblu4LprKvqkIvmlLLtloXtm67jn6DsopjjibrgtLjim4HphLjtpIbplaTri6TqrpTpr43lrJnjlJPloqrqo5rgoIzkiIPNneigpueAgOu5gA==

I have never programmed a board with TMK firmware yet. This should make it a lot easier for me to set up my ALPS board after it's built.  Thank you.

Under keycodes in the Main section, Will any key programmed as "Application" be a function key?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: sean on Sun, 08 November 2015, 01:14:27
TMK keymap editor for Alps64  is available now.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html


My Alps64 keymap URL, for example.
More
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html#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

This is awesome! Thanks so much hasu
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: njbair on Sun, 08 November 2015, 21:36:48
This is great! Should make it a lot easier to play around with new layouts. Can't wait to try this out!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: SJHL on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:38:06
TMK keymap editor for Alps64  is available now.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html


My Alps64 keymap URL, for example.
More
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html#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

Thank you. This will def help me out.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: braidn on Wed, 11 November 2015, 15:37:57
So awesome for the folks who don't want to program their layout. Awesome sauce Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 06 December 2015, 22:59:31
I'd part with four PCBs out of leftover PCBs for BlueNalgene's GB.
It costs $37 for PCB and $10 for shippping, $47USD in total.

PM me if you like to grab one.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: syntaxoverdrive on Fri, 11 December 2015, 10:41:35
Sent a PM Hasu, I'd love to buy 2 from you.  :)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: agodinhost on Fri, 11 December 2015, 12:50:01
any chance to have a 2nd round?
 :D
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Fri, 11 December 2015, 19:12:43
Currently no leftover I can part with.

I'll have to keep rest of leftover to backup failure and incident on BlueNalgene's GB for some months.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Fri, 18 December 2015, 18:54:00
I took my keyboard apart today and find something on the edge of the PCB. It seems like some coating is peeling off a little. Should I worry about this?
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 18 December 2015, 19:50:45
I took my keyboard apart today and find something on the edge of the PCB. It seems like some coating is peeling off a little. Should I worry about this?
(Attachment Link)
Solder mask is originally a liquid that is applied to the PCB and then let to cure. It looks like droplets formed at the bottom of the PCB, nothing to be worried about.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Fri, 18 December 2015, 19:53:41
I also don't think it is critical damage but not sure what happens.
Screwed down too tight? or I think your case is KBP V60, so the PCB does not perfectly fit inside?

I took my keyboard apart today and find something on the edge of the PCB. It seems like some coating is peeling off a little. Should I worry about this?
(Attachment Link)

Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Fri, 18 December 2015, 21:12:37
I also don't think it is critical damage but not sure what happens.
Screwed down too tight? or I think your case is KBP V60, so the PCB does not perfectly fit inside?
Do you mean this could be a damage caused by the case? I don't see exactly how the case can cause this damage but I also don't remember seeing this the last time I took apart my keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: ctm on Sun, 20 December 2015, 17:23:24
An update on case compatibility. I tried putting my TMK Alps64 with V60 plate in my friend's Pok3r metal case. Other than being a little loose (V60 plate is slightly smaller than Poker), I don't see any other problems.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: digi on Thu, 31 December 2015, 09:42:50
Program Controller
To enter program mode hook up to USB port and push button on bottom of PCB.

Could more information regarding the keymapping be added to the OP? For example:

How exactly do you program the 2nd layer, you push the botton on the PCB, then what?

What is the default layer toggle key?

What are default key mappings for arrow keys, etc.?

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 31 December 2015, 09:53:15
The firmware is well documented on the github repository: https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: digi on Thu, 31 December 2015, 10:03:03
Hmm, is there one for 60% ANSI? This is ISO:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1927747#msg1927747 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1927747#msg1927747)

How do you upload the keymap firmware to the controller?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Thu, 31 December 2015, 12:48:05
Hmm, is there one for 60% ANSI? This is ISO:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1927747#msg1927747 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1927747#msg1927747)

How do you upload the keymap firmware to the controller?

Ignore the keys your board does not have.

Download DFU Flip programmer from ATMEL.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: digi on Thu, 31 December 2015, 13:14:49
Hmm, is there one for 60% ANSI? This is ISO:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1927747#msg1927747 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1927747#msg1927747)

How do you upload the keymap firmware to the controller?

Ignore the keys your board does not have.

Download DFU Flip programmer from ATMEL.

Got it working! Thanks A-C!

Here is my keymap.hex - http://bit.ly/1PzN6BW (http://bit.ly/1PzN6BW)

For anyone else about to make their own keymap.hex file and flash their firmware, make sure you select "ATmega32U2" under Device Selection in ATMel FLIP. Works perfectly.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 03 January 2016, 19:57:44
I'm trying to help out another user but currently do not have one of the PCBs, which key is the designated FLIP button to put it into flash mode or is that not required for these PCBs?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 03 January 2016, 20:08:08
Thanks for your help to the user.
Say hello to him/her for me :D

From first post in this thread. I'll add more detailed assembly guide later.
Quote
Program Controller
To enter program mode hook up to USB port and push button on bottom of PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 03 January 2016, 20:28:05
That user would be me! I was able to put the keyboard into programming mode, but FLIP is giving me the error "AtLibUsbDfu.dll not found." I have selected the ATmega32U2 device (originally we thought maybe it was ATmega32U4, but I get the same error there as well.)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 03 January 2016, 20:35:41
That user would be me! I was able to put the keyboard into programming mode, but FLIP is giving me the error "AtLibUsbDfu.dll not found." I have selected the ATmega32U2 device (originally we thought maybe it was ATmega32U4, but I get the same error there as well.)

You probably have wrong driver on the device(ATmega32U2), remove current driver and re-install one FLIP provides from DeviceManager of WIndows. This can happen often when you turns the controller into program(flash/bootloader) mode before installing FLIP.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 03 January 2016, 21:02:04
I plugged the keyboard in, then installed FLIP, then after the program was installed I put the keyboard into programming mode.

Device manager shows the device but shows the error "The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28) There are no compatible drivers for this device."
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Sun, 03 January 2016, 21:11:21
I plugged the keyboard in, then installed FLIP, then after the program was installed I put the keyboard into programming mode.

Device manager shows the device but shows the error "The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28) There are no compatible drivers for this device."

Then, you can install correct driver?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: a-c on Sun, 03 January 2016, 21:15:48
I plugged the keyboard in, then installed FLIP, then after the program was installed I put the keyboard into programming mode.

Device manager shows the device but shows the error "The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28) There are no compatible drivers for this device."

This might help: http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy (http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy)
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 03 January 2016, 21:19:37
Thanks hasu, a-c, and Steezus, I got it set up. Now to figure out what buttons to program where. Cheers!
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 03 January 2016, 21:24:14
I plugged the keyboard in, then installed FLIP, then after the program was installed I put the keyboard into programming mode.

Device manager shows the device but shows the error "The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28) There are no compatible drivers for this device."

This might help: http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy (http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy)

Ah yeah didn't even see that but that is what I ended up telling him to do a-c, thanks for posting that to make it easier on others experiencing the same problem.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: hasu on Mon, 04 January 2016, 10:36:41
Updated 'Assembly' and added 'Check your PCB' and 'Troubleshoot' seciton in first post.
Please check these before start soldering.

Thanks for the pics, a-c.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 11 January 2016, 16:46:43
Please someone confirms me does this pcb fits the FMJ case? Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: axtran on Wed, 13 January 2016, 11:57:28
Please someone confirms me does this pcb fits the FMJ case? Thank you

It's standard Poker. I believe nickheller had his in a FMJ case and it fit.
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: nickheller on Wed, 13 January 2016, 12:04:47
Please someone confirms me does this pcb fits the FMJ case? Thank you

It's standard Poker. I believe nickheller had his in a FMJ case and it fit.
Yeah it fit fine, not sure if you mean diodes or something on pcb would be in the way. I never screwed it down cause I do not have screws yet though. I will get some in and let you know. Here is a pic, not screwed in though.
(http://i.imgur.com/5ho4Lhp.png)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 15 January 2016, 18:04:57
How would I make RAlt be a dual role key with Esc? Can that be added to the tmk-editor?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 15 January 2016, 21:30:00
Currently you cannot edit Fn actions on keymapeditor.

But codes is available(how generous tmk is!) and you can edit around here to change actions.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/gh-pages/editor/alps64/firmware.js#L67-L112
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/gh-pages/editor/common/keymap_editor.js#L535-L570

EDIT: I was just joking if it was not clear. don't look into these keymapeditor code unless you have plenty time to kill. It is not so organized as always, not whothwhile to hack. You better build firmware from soruce, instead.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: monotagary on Sun, 31 January 2016, 15:58:27
Yo, anyone have any of these they are willing to part with? I've been out of the keyboard game for a while and I'm sad to see I never got in on any of these. Or is there perhaps another round in the works?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sun, 31 January 2016, 18:42:51
I still have a few leftover from last GB, PM me.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Zapheo on Sun, 31 January 2016, 18:44:02
PM incoming.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 07 March 2016, 01:45:28
A few(2 or 3) of leftover are available now. Anyone  interested can PM me.

EDIT: All PCBs were gone now.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: rand77 on Sun, 03 April 2016, 20:06:56
I would be eternally grateful if someone could help me debug my issue.   

The following keys are not testing correctly: K35 (~), K34 (tab), K33 (A), K37 (1), K64 (Y), K74 (J), K75 (I), K76 ( 8 ), K77 (9).  It appears that I have a problem with columns 7, 3, and possibly 6. 

Here are my attempts to fix the issue:
1. Replaced the diodes using through hole (1N4148) - made sure the polarity is correct
2. Replaced the didoes again using fresh 1N4148
3. Replaced the diodes using  1N4148W  surface mount diodes
4. Re-flowed solder on the controller using fresh solder paste + lots of flux

None of the above seemed to fix the issue.    This is before soldering any switches.   I am simply soldering the diodes and testing the board operation PRIOR to soldering any switches.   All diodes test ~.650V forward voltage drop across the diode.    Key presses are simulated using EK Switch Hitter utility and Notepad + shorting the switch pins.   The failing keys register no input at all, no key press is registered.

Tools used is a Yihua 898BD+ temp controlled soldering station with SAC305 solder.


Pictures at attached (excuse the quality, all I have is a cellphone and point and shoot).
http://imgur.com/a/Mq7LW
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: a-c on Sun, 03 April 2016, 20:25:44
You have several damaged traces. Possibly some on the other side of the board.

http://imgur.com/92itXnn

You will need to jumper over them.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sun, 03 April 2016, 21:21:39
rand77,
Solder joints doen't look so bad but I don't surprise even if your soldering causes your problems.
You had better use leaded solder wire If possible, it will make soldering easy. Lead free solder needs higher temperature to melt and flow, which means you have to solder with hotter iron setting or longer process. In the result it may be prone to break trace or damage components. I've heard many veterans recommends leaded solder to beginners.

Assuming controller itself work sanely, trace damages at solder joint likely to be a culprit. (That being said, it is always possible that PCB manufacturing or my SMT soldering are failed.)
For example,  I guess K64 has a fault somewhere around because other K6* keys work correctly. Try making short between K64 right hole and D64 lower hole, I think it register a char. To fix jumper it as a-c said.

From how row7 trace goes I guress trace is disconnected between D74 cathode and D73 cathode. Try making jumper between them.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: rand77 on Sun, 03 April 2016, 21:38:22
Thanks guys for tips. 

Yes, the pad for D64 was lifted when de-soldering the through hole diode for the second time.   D77 may need  a jumper too.   I will try putting on it and see if it fixes anything.   The other side of the board looks ok.

I will try a jumper between D74 cathode and D73 cathode.

I have attempted to reflow all the pins of the controller with a tiny bit of solder paste and some liquid flux.   I do use non-leaded solder as I have a big spool of it,   I usually set the iron temp to 300 degC  as I find that I can heat up the pad and solder quickly without applying the heat for a long time duration.     
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: rand77 on Sun, 03 April 2016, 21:40:40
I tried making a short between t between K64 right hole and D64, this DOES register a char.

However, a similar test shorting K(a)(b) and D(a)(b)  on the failing keys is still NOT registering anything.   
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 04 April 2016, 01:35:35
However, a similar test shorting K(a)(b) and D(a)(b)  on the failing keys is still NOT registering anything.   

Did you try jumper between D74 and D73?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 14 April 2016, 16:39:33
People have been asking about another round of the Alps Party.  I may not be up to doing another full GB of that project, but I was wondering if you were still using your mailing list.  These folks might want to know the next time you print a big crop of boards.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 14 April 2016, 19:49:30
Yeah, I was just thinkg about reodering PCB.  I'll order them  in small scale and sell here or artisan thread. Anyway, I'll post updates here if something happens.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: axtran on Tue, 19 April 2016, 22:10:54
Yeah, I was just thinkg about reodering PCB.  I'll order them  in small scale and sell here or artisan thread. Anyway, I'll post updates here if something happens.

This is great news. Maybe another plate from someone? I would totally love an ALPS plate that has support for Cherry plate stabilizers (if that would even work)!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tintoret on Sat, 23 April 2016, 19:38:24
Yeah, I was just thinkg about reodering PCB.  I'll order them  in small scale and sell here or artisan thread. Anyway, I'll post updates here if something happens.

This is great news. Maybe another plate from someone? I would totally love an ALPS plate that has support for Cherry plate stabilizers (if that would even work)!

This would be great. I'd be on board immediately for the PCB and a plate would save me having to cut one down.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: romevi on Sat, 23 April 2016, 22:02:10
Yes! Definitely down for a PCB!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: nickheller on Sat, 23 April 2016, 22:03:13
I'd also buy at least 1 pcb, maybe 2.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Sat, 23 April 2016, 22:16:08
@hasu, have you spoken to anyone about organizing another Alps 60% GB?  I'd definitely be in for 2 PCBs and plates as well.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 23 April 2016, 23:02:17
Yeah, I was just thinkg about reodering PCB.  I'll order them  in small scale and sell here or artisan thread. Anyway, I'll post updates here if something happens.

I'd be interested in another PCB/plate
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 23 April 2016, 23:12:29
While I plan on doing another Alps Party sale, I don't plan on doing a 60% (at least for a bit). 
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sat, 23 April 2016, 23:48:53
Hey guys, Thanks for your interest

OK. I'll start 4th run and taking order. Please use email to make my invoicing process easy. my email is hasu@tmk-kbd.com.
Just let me know quantitiy you want(and your paypal account is not same as your email) I'll send paypal invoice and message.

Sorry, I can't offer any plate you can get only PCB from me, and price and shipping cost was revised from past runs.

Pirce: $37USD per PCB
Shipping and Paypal fee: $10(add $2.5 per extra PCB)
For example, one PCB costs 47 while two PCBs costs 86.5 in total.

It takes probably two or three weeks utill shipping starts.

No MOQ but max quantity in this batch is 25.

If you have any question post it here. Feel free to ask me with PM/email if it includes sensitive info.

Thanks,
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Sun, 24 April 2016, 00:32:18
Awesome!  Sent you an e-mail!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Sun, 24 April 2016, 05:24:18
Wow thanks! Sent you an e-mail as well :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 24 April 2016, 10:11:00
removed.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tintoret on Sun, 24 April 2016, 11:29:01
Hey guys, Thanks for your interest

OK. I'll start 4th run and taking order. Please use email to make my invoicing process easy. my email is hasu@tmk-kbd.com.
Just let me know quantitiy you want(and your paypal account is not same as your email) I'll send paypal invoice and message.

Sorry, I can't offer any plate you can get only PCB from me, and price and shipping cost was revised from past runs.

Pirce: $37USD per PCB
Shipping and Paypal fee: $10(add $2.5 per extra PCB)
For example, one PCB costs 47 while two PCBs costs 86.5 in total.

It takes probably two or three weeks utill shipping starts.

No MOQ but max quantity in this batch is 25.

If you have any question post it here. Feel free to ask me with PM/email if it includes sensitive info.

Thanks,

That's great news! I sent you an email last night, but it was from the wrong email. The one from this morning is the one connected to PayPal.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: romevi on Sun, 24 April 2016, 11:54:53
Sent an email, by the way. Just marking here. :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Radlife on Sun, 24 April 2016, 14:28:05
Where would be a good place to get a plate?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Sun, 24 April 2016, 14:59:40
Unless there's a GB on the horizon, you'd probably have to get a plate cut yourself.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: SJHL on Sun, 24 April 2016, 15:51:33
Sending an email soon. Just a heads up!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: rand77 on Sun, 24 April 2016, 19:24:56
Email sent as well.   

For plates I guess you could always cut one from a full-size board, or have a one-off made at a local laser cutter or water jet shop.   I had some Matias Ergodox plates about a year ago for around $25 at a makerspace in Toronto.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: timerwin63 on Sun, 24 April 2016, 21:49:21
There are also a couple of plates floating around Taobao that support Alps, but you might run into trouble with stabilizers.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: climbalima on Sun, 24 April 2016, 22:06:49
Email sent!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Sun, 24 April 2016, 22:08:43
There are also a couple of plates floating around Taobao that support Alps, but you might run into trouble with stabilizers.
If it isn't a lot of trouble, do you have links?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 25 April 2016, 11:21:55
Got emails and 21 pcbs were claimed.
I'll send invoice in a few days.

Thanks,
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: romevi on Mon, 25 April 2016, 11:22:46
Got emails and 21 pcbs were claimed.
I'll send invoice in a few days.

Thanks,

 :p
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: mreverything on Tue, 26 April 2016, 17:56:17
Sent an email, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 29 April 2016, 12:39:09
Hi all,
Paypal invoices were sent for all orders.
I assembled a few and tested them, no problem. It'll take two weeks to production and then shipping will start after that.

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 29 April 2016, 12:53:37
removed.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 29 April 2016, 13:52:44
Hi all,
Paypal invoices were sent for all orders.
I assembled a few and tested them, no problem. It'll take two weeks to production and then shipping will start after that.

Thanks

Paid. Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: bubblebobbler on Fri, 29 April 2016, 14:24:49
paid, happy to join such a buy :D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Fri, 29 April 2016, 16:25:12
Paid for my invoice, looking forward to the PCBs!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Pemdas on Fri, 29 April 2016, 16:43:49
Hi all,
Paypal invoices were sent for all orders.
I assembled a few and tested them, no problem. It'll take two weeks to production and then shipping will start after that.

Thanks

Paid! Thanks Hasu! My alps collection is growing rapidly haha
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kiwi99 on Fri, 29 April 2016, 17:15:59
Got my invoice, will pay when I get home.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 29 April 2016, 19:29:49
Was this a new rev of the PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 29 April 2016, 21:22:56
Was this a new rev of the PCB?

Rev.D now, changed just land shape of x'tal and fixed values on silk print. Completely equivalent to Rev.C in terms of electrical aspect and dimension.

Pushed changes to github now. check it.
https://github.com/tmk/alps64
Code: [Select]
* 51d2223 Update README for Rev.D
* f446230 Fix X'tal foot print and ground connection
* f0fdba5 Change vaules of C and R and add logo.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: merlin64 on Sat, 30 April 2016, 01:39:27
Nice. Any plans to add led support for those who have sk cl greens with LED cut out?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Sat, 30 April 2016, 18:05:20
For anyone that needs plates, there's an IC now:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81740.0
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sun, 01 May 2016, 18:32:39
I have no plan practically but am still interested in thinking how to implement.

- Can we source the rectangular LEDs that fits in the hole of SKCL?
- Can Matias switches be glowed with LEDs? How?
- What are people going to use the LEDs for? Just status indicatior, backlight or fancy disco illumination with full control of each and every leds?

Nice. Any plans to add led support for those who have sk cl greens with LED cut out?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk



Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kiwi99 on Sun, 01 May 2016, 19:03:20
I have no plan practically but am still interested in thinking how to implement.

- Can we source the rectangular LEDs that fits in the hole of SKCL?
- Can Matias switches be glowed with LEDs? How?
- What are people going to use the LEDs for? Just status indicatior, backlight or fancy disco illumination with full control of each and every leds?

Nice. Any plans to add led support for those who have sk cl greens with LED cut out?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk



I can't say for certain but the holes look big enough for both 2x3x4mm and 1.8mm leds on the skcl greens.

Matias switches have a flat bottom with no cutouts directly in the bottom of the housing like other newer rgb clear housing switches, I am guessing they intended to place SMD leds adjacent to the switches to get them to glow through.

I think just some status LEDS would be cool, an option could be implementing something like gons pcbs have which are the indicators grouped by the caps lock switch and just require a hole in the plate to be cut to let the light shine through.
example of gons:
More
(http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/142-thickbox_default/gon-ns-nerd-tkl-w-tuningassembly.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vehtUgJ.jpg?1)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 01 May 2016, 19:06:06
removed.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: bubblebobbler on Thu, 05 May 2016, 09:10:33
could you clarify which part of AEK ISO isn't compatible with alps64?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 05 May 2016, 13:05:21
I was tired of having a linux VM sitting around just for making firmware for my keyboard.
So now I spent half a day making a toy which automates like five commands. Yay me, productivity be damned.

At least it's a holiday...

It also supports the ANSI keymap which I use for everything because... I use it.

Please test for me :)

https://git.io/alpsOnDocker
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 06 May 2016, 08:33:52
could you clarify which part of AEK ISO isn't compatible with alps64?

hmm, over all except for bottom row.
Just search pic of AEK ISO and Dell ISO then compare them, its key alignment is despairingly different.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 06 May 2016, 08:40:30
[GB UPDATE]
Production of PCBs was almost done.
Today shipped some PCBs, rest of orders will be fulfiled in a week.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Fri, 06 May 2016, 08:43:17
Awesome!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kiwi99 on Fri, 06 May 2016, 16:13:08
[GB UPDATE]
Production of PCBs was almost done.
Today shipped some PCBs, rest of orders will be fulfiled in a week.
Damn that's quick  :eek: excited !
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: romevi on Fri, 06 May 2016, 16:17:10
[GB UPDATE]
Production of PCBs was almost done.
Today shipped some PCBs, rest of orders will be fulfiled in a week.
Damn that's quick  :eek: excited !

I think he said he wanted everything out in three weeks.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kiwi99 on Fri, 06 May 2016, 16:21:42
[GB UPDATE]
Production of PCBs was almost done.
Today shipped some PCBs, rest of orders will be fulfiled in a week.
Damn that's quick  :eek: excited !

I think he said he wanted everything out in three weeks.

Heh I guess I always expect schedules to be pushed back so I am disappointed so when stuff goes according to plan its exciting  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: axtran on Sun, 08 May 2016, 23:52:43
hasu doesn't disappoint. I don't think he actually knows how to disappoint... Haha


Sent from my iPhone
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 09 May 2016, 00:09:10
removed.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kiwi99 on Mon, 09 May 2016, 00:43:47
hasu doesn't disappoint. I don't think he actually knows how to disappoint... Haha


Sent from my iPhone

Can't wait for mine!  Will be using it with a custom plate :)

same :) just need to find a 60% case on the cheap.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Khers on Mon, 09 May 2016, 01:53:52
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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kiwi99 on Mon, 09 May 2016, 12:23:53
hasu doesn't disappoint. I don't think he actually knows how to disappoint... Haha


Sent from my iPhone

Can't wait for mine!  Will be using it with a custom plate :)

same :) just need to find a 60% case on the cheap.
I'm using this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/GH60-compact-keyboard-base-seat-POKERII-60-mechanical-keyboard-poker2-plastic-frame-case-gaming-keyboard-FACEU/32448283161.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.19.gAAk6a&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201602_5_10017_10034_10021_507_10022_10032_10020_10018_10019,searchweb201603_9&btsid=97f8d5a0-8096-42c1-b243-83a12ebcb081). For a little extra (~twice the money :o) you can get some fancy colors (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Compact-Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Keyboard-gh-60-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32506927327.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.10.QnMAXc&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201602_5_10017_10034_10021_507_10022_10032_10020_10018_10019,searchweb201603_9&btsid=97f8d5a0-8096-42c1-b243-83a12ebcb081). These are basically stock Poker 2 cases. Very good for the money.

yep I was looking at those too, will probably get a white one.. or three..  :p
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: PerniciousPony on Wed, 11 May 2016, 00:31:43
Will there be any extra PCBs from this GB? If so I would be interested in picking some up.  :D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 12 May 2016, 05:24:59
Hi all,
All of orders from 4th run were shipped now. You will recevie tracking number with email from Japan Post within a day. If not let me know via email.

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Thu, 12 May 2016, 06:02:03
Hello, thank you so much. So much anticipation...!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: romevi on Thu, 12 May 2016, 08:29:35
Aww, yeah! Got my tracking number.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: a-c on Thu, 12 May 2016, 10:09:12
Got mine yesterday! Like the new logo  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: romevi on Thu, 12 May 2016, 10:25:17
Got mine yesterday! Like the new logo  :thumb:

Ooh, pics?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Thu, 12 May 2016, 10:59:27
Got the tracking number too, phoible's plate GB needs to get going!  :p
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: a-c on Thu, 12 May 2016, 12:11:38
Got mine yesterday! Like the new logo  :thumb:

Ooh, pics?

(http://i.imgur.com/5TX6y4l.jpg)

Rev B and Rev D

(http://i.imgur.com/EjAg3Ql.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Radlife on Thu, 12 May 2016, 12:35:39
Just got an email saying my pcb has been delivered. Thanks Hasu!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 12 May 2016, 18:38:06
[GB UPDATE]
You all should receive trakcking number from Japan Post now. Their email's domain part is ems-post.jp and its content includes Japanese text so it often are filtered as a junk mail.
Check your junk mail folder before contacting me. Let me know if you still don't have a tracking number.

You can trace your packet with tracking page of Japan Post or your country's postal service like USPS.
https://trackings.post.japanpost.jp/services/srv/search/input?locale=en
https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input

Thanks

Hi all,
All of orders from 4th run were shipped now. You will recevie tracking number with email from Japan Post within a day. If not let me know via email.

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 12 May 2016, 19:52:30
removed.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: SJHL on Thu, 12 May 2016, 20:12:52
Received mine today, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tintoret on Fri, 13 May 2016, 15:08:05
Got mine too! Thanks hasu.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Mon, 16 May 2016, 16:06:09
Mine just came as well, in just three business days too!  :eek:

PCBs seem to work just fine based on the initial test.  Thanks Hasu!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: romevi on Mon, 16 May 2016, 16:11:16
Mine just came as well, in just three business days too!  :eek:

PCBs seem to work just fine based on the initial test.  Thanks Hasu!  ;D

EMS is bEstMS.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Mon, 16 May 2016, 18:40:10
Mine just came as well, in just three business days too!  :eek:

PCBs seem to work just fine based on the initial test.  Thanks Hasu!  ;D
Are you in the US?
And does your tracking updates regularly? My last update is on the 14th in Tokyo, and it's the 17th already...
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Mon, 16 May 2016, 18:47:07
Yup, it was probably quick because I'm on the West Coast.  From Tokyo, it was just a hop across the pond to Los Angeles, and then a bit north to where I am.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Mon, 16 May 2016, 18:52:42
I see that makes sense.
Does your tracking updates regularly ?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: emdude on Mon, 16 May 2016, 18:57:21
Not really, I'm afraid.  :(

My last three updates were:
And that was it.  Also, I did not think of doing this until today, but I could have tracked the package through USPS, which seems to have given more frequent updates. 
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: cerement on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:41:23
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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 11:27:04
removed.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 17 May 2016, 12:27:35
Hasu, I am using the alps64 hex generator website:

http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html

I cannot get left or right alt keys to work on any layers or keys.  I have tested the all the switches for various other commands, and they seem to work fine.  I even mapped L7 to a key and alt to that same key, but that didn't work. Need my alt + tab T_T

You should xpost that here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41989).  You might get a better response.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Scarpia on Wed, 18 May 2016, 03:34:08
Mine arrived today (Sweden), will pick it up after work. Can't wait!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Wed, 18 May 2016, 05:19:17
Just received mine !
Works perfectly and the speed was impressive (5days to the UK), thank you so much for the GB.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 18 May 2016, 07:51:08
I received mine last night (Montreal, Canada). Not had time to plug it in but I will report back when I have.

Thanks! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: klennkellon on Wed, 25 May 2016, 03:18:25
Are there any plans for a 75% or TKL variant? I would definitely buy that.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Wed, 25 May 2016, 05:36:31
Are there any plans for a 75% or TKL variant? I would definitely buy that.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.0;topicseen
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kiwi99 on Tue, 31 May 2016, 17:42:30
Got mine today hasu, going to test it soon before I start soldering ty for the quick turnaround!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kiwi99 on Tue, 31 May 2016, 19:14:48
Alright, upon testing:

1. The device is recognized as an HID keyboard.
2. no LED flashes.
3. bridging with a tweezer between traces as stated in the OP does nothing.

 edit: now showing up at atmega chip going to try flashing
http://puu.sh/pc9UT/192a08e174.png


edit 2: board flashed, tested top row + more and its working time to get soldering. :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: brighenne on Wed, 01 June 2016, 13:48:17
If anybody should decide they don't want their PCB anymore, give me a holler!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 05 June 2016, 19:52:52
Hi all,
5th Run is open now.
19 PCBs are available from this run. PCBs and all components are already stocked and assembly will start in a few days.

Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com to place order, let me know number of PCB and your paypal account if different from your email. Then I'll send paypal invoice mail.

Pirce: $38USD per PCB
Shipping and Paypal fee: $10(add $2.5 per extra PCB)

It will be shipped within two weeks after payment.

Thank you.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: Radlife on Sun, 05 June 2016, 22:28:19
19 PCBs are available from this run. PCBs and all components are already stocked and assembly will start in a few days.

When you say all components, does that include stabilizers/plates? I'm having a tough time finding a source for stabs, and there's an IC for the plates going on right now.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 05 June 2016, 22:47:06
19 PCBs are available from this run. PCBs and all components are already stocked and assembly will start in a few days.

When you say all components, does that include stabilizers/plates? I'm having a tough time finding a source for stabs, and there's an IC for the plates going on right now.

No, you can get only PCB(and diodes) from me. Check first post.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 05 June 2016, 22:52:33
19 PCBs are available from this run. PCBs and all components are already stocked and assembly will start in a few days.

When you say all components, does that include stabilizers/plates? I'm having a tough time finding a source for stabs, and there's an IC for the plates going on right now.

You can order stabs straight from matias.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: emdude on Sun, 05 June 2016, 22:55:01
Wow!  I am almost tempted to buy another PCB but I already got two Alps64s in the pipeline.  :p

19 PCBs are available from this run. PCBs and all components are already stocked and assembly will start in a few days.

When you say all components, does that include stabilizers/plates? I'm having a tough time finding a source for stabs, and there's an IC for the plates going on right now.

Hm, I think Matias stabilizers are more or less identical to old Alps ones so those ought to work just fine.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 06 June 2016, 12:29:03
Wow!  I am almost tempted to buy another PCB but I already got two Alps64s in the pipeline.  :p

19 PCBs are available from this run. PCBs and all components are already stocked and assembly will start in a few days.

When you say all components, does that include stabilizers/plates? I'm having a tough time finding a source for stabs, and there's an IC for the plates going on right now.

Hm, I think Matias stabilizers are more or less identical to old Alps ones so those ought to work just fine.

The Matias stabs are pretty close to the old ones.  They use the same type of clips and such.  However, do note that some users (including myself) have reported that the Matias wires are odd lengths, so you may need to re-bend some of them.  After doing that, they work great.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 06 June 2016, 15:15:46
Wow!  I am almost tempted to buy another PCB but I already got two Alps64s in the pipeline.  :p

19 PCBs are available from this run. PCBs and all components are already stocked and assembly will start in a few days.

When you say all components, does that include stabilizers/plates? I'm having a tough time finding a source for stabs, and there's an IC for the plates going on right now.

Hm, I think Matias stabilizers are more or less identical to old Alps ones so those ought to work just fine.

The Matias stabs are pretty close to the old ones.  They use the same type of clips and such.  However, do note that some users (including myself) have reported that the Matias wires are odd lengths, so you may need to re-bend some of them.  After doing that, they work great.

The Matias stabs are close, but not perfect. I had to do some finagling on the Rshift wire on my AT101W plate alps64. Also, note that alps-style stab inserts (for inserting into the keycap) are a bit larger than the original. When I installed the inserts in my Tai Hao keycaps, they were a teensy bit too large. Using original keycap inserts is better, but a quick hack at the Matias' corners with an xacto makes them fit just fine.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: infodroid on Mon, 06 June 2016, 19:21:52
I am excited about the 5th run. I'm just not sure I'm going to find a plate this year or not.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: tmrmn on Sat, 11 June 2016, 14:51:05
Registered just to enter this GB, can't wait to throw together an ALPS board
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 11 June 2016, 19:36:21
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: axtran on Sun, 12 June 2016, 22:58:05
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I use mine in Mac OS X. It wakes up my computer just fine. And for your N-Key rollover question--what are you looking to do that for? It sometimes causes chatter... if you want to try it, just set it in the TMK config.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 13 June 2016, 18:52:13
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

Tried with Windows10 and it didn't wake up with my Alps64 too. With my HHKB mod I can wake it for some reason. Not sure which firmware configuration, OS power setting or controller difference(ATMega32u2 vs u4) cause this. I have no time to investigate this now.
EDIT2: I filed this issue on github, I'll look into this later when I get time. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

EDIT: To enable NKRO you need to compile firmware with proper configuration, as axtran said.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 14 June 2016, 16:20:05
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: Saiph on Tue, 14 June 2016, 16:35:50
I sent an email asking to order a pcb but didn't get a paypal invoice afterwards. Was I too late?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 14 June 2016, 17:45:22
I sent an email asking to order a pcb but didn't get a paypal invoice afterwards. Was I too late?

No, not too late at all :D 10+ PCBs are still available.
I've been away from home these days and cannot check order emails now. I'll be back home and reply them in a few days.
Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 14 June 2016, 17:49:44
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: Saiph on Tue, 14 June 2016, 17:55:33
I sent an email asking to order a pcb but didn't get a paypal invoice afterwards. Was I too late?

No, not too late at all :D 10+ PCBs are still available.
I've been away from home these days and cannot check order emails now. I'll be back home and reply them in a few days.
Thanks
Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Wed, 15 June 2016, 20:52:11
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard.  :thumb:

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
[attachurl=1]

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 15 June 2016, 21:42:42
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard.  :thumb:

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks

I flashed this to my keyboard and tested it, it did not wake it from sleep.
I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.
I can cope with it though, I can just use my mouse or my numpad.

Thanks though and sorry for being a bother.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: MajorKoos on Thu, 16 June 2016, 14:34:14

I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.


Which USB port are you using?
If I recall that board a native USB2 controller and an add-on USB3 controller - perhaps some weirdness there where one of them isn't handling power management events?  The easy way to rule out the port would be to swap USB ports between the kbd and mouse.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: bazh on Fri, 17 June 2016, 02:19:46
Do we have any PCB left for this 5th run?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: ipreferpie on Fri, 17 June 2016, 02:25:55
Is there any way to extend bluetooth support on this?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Fri, 17 June 2016, 03:28:58
Just shipped out all of ordered PCBs now.  Email me(or PM if you prefer) if you don't get tracking number in next 24 hours.

bazh, 9 PCBs are still left in stock.

ipreferpie, no support for BT unfortunately.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: bazh on Fri, 17 June 2016, 05:38:47
email sent!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Fri, 17 June 2016, 22:48:56
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard.  :thumb:

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks

I flashed this to my keyboard and tested it, it did not wake it from sleep.
I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.
I can cope with it though, I can just use my mouse or my numpad.

Thanks though and sorry for being a bother.

Thanks for your test.
hm, it can have problem with USB3 or some system.
I confirmed it can wake up Windows10 on my Thinkpad X201s but I don't have system with USB3 or x58 to test now. I'll leave this issue open on github and test it on newer system if I get a chance.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 18 June 2016, 00:06:53
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard.  :thumb:

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks

I flashed this to my keyboard and tested it, it did not wake it from sleep.
I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.
I can cope with it though, I can just use my mouse or my numpad.

Thanks though and sorry for being a bother.

Thanks for your test.
hm, it can have problem with USB3 or some system.
I confirmed it can wake up Windows10 on my Thinkpad X201s but I don't have system with USB3 or x58 to test now. I'll leave this issue open on github and test it on newer system if I get a chance.

I can test it on usb2 when I get a chance, I hadn't thought of the add-on usb3 being an issue.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: axtran on Sat, 18 June 2016, 07:36:50
Do we have any PCB left for this 5th run?

Probably. Message hasu--he has been away but will get back to you. He provides wonderful service.


Sent from my iPhone
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: PriusProblems on Fri, 24 June 2016, 12:16:20
I am interested in the ISO PCB, however would there be anywhere that I could find a plate for it? Also, is there any chance of an ISO AEKII ever being available (that would solve the plate issue, since an existing board could be chopped up)?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Fri, 24 June 2016, 13:34:43
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 24 June 2016, 14:19:28
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

Are you interested in using the design I made for future board revisions?  I have no intention to produce a 60% and usurp your throne.  I'd be happy to share with you the KiCAD files and the Monterey compatible pads.

This would probably be after my GB, so I can get feedback from users. 
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: PriusProblems on Fri, 24 June 2016, 16:13:14
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902
I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 24 June 2016, 17:50:46
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902
I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: PriusProblems on Fri, 24 June 2016, 17:52:49
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902
I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.
Thanks for the response! Do you know of any custom plates that would suit my needs, or would I have to make/adapt my own?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 24 June 2016, 18:00:28
More
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902
I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.
Thanks for the response! Do you know of any custom plates that would suit my needs, or would I have to make/adapt my own?

You can make one yourself via Swill's + BigBlueSaw (kinda expensive and requires some knowledge) or you can wait for the 60% plate group buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81740.50) to launch (they have had delays, and are working things out still).
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: PriusProblems on Fri, 24 June 2016, 18:02:27
More
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902
I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.
Thanks for the response! Do you know of any custom plates that would suit my needs, or would I have to make/adapt my own?

You can make one yourself via Swill's + BigBlueSaw (kinda expensive and requires some knowledge) or you can wait for the 60% plate group buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81740.50) to launch (they have had delays, and are working things out still).
That group buy doesn't support ISO though, does it?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 24 June 2016, 18:49:51
More
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902
I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.
Thanks for the response! Do you know of any custom plates that would suit my needs, or would I have to make/adapt my own?

You can make one yourself via Swill's + BigBlueSaw (kinda expensive and requires some knowledge) or you can wait for the 60% plate group buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81740.50) to launch (they have had delays, and are working things out still).
That group buy doesn't support ISO though, does it?

I have no idea.  I haven't kept up with it outside of offering advice to them when they ask.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 25 June 2016, 00:24:32
Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

Are you interested in using the design I made for future board revisions?  I have no intention to produce a 60% and usurp your throne.  I'd be happy to share with you the KiCAD files and the Monterey compatible pads.

This would probably be after my GB, so I can get feedback from users. 

I have no plan to support Monterey switch in future revision but thanks. It would be greatly appreciated if you can make the footprint or exact dimensions to the switch available to the community.

I'm watching your thread because of your USB hub design and skimming datasheet of some hub chips from TI, Microchip and others for my future project.

Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: CosmosAtlas on Wed, 06 July 2016, 16:35:21
Some information I would like to share. The alps64 pcb does not work on the Lambo case. It will short circuit the bottom of the pcb if pressed hard.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 07 July 2016, 17:39:11
Some information I would like to share. The alps64 pcb does not work on the Lambo case. It will short circuit the bottom of the pcb if pressed hard.

Thanks for the report. Do you think which part makes the short? or how did you resolve the short circuit problem? insulator?
From pics It has no beams and just standoffs, it seems to be less problematic.
https://nestofdesign.com.au/products/iqunix-lambo-60-mechanical-keyboard-case-only-one-shell
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: CosmosAtlas on Thu, 07 July 2016, 17:52:44
I have no idea. I moved to another case. The most strange part is that if you type normally it's fine. But if you push down a little hard, suddenly all the keys on the bottom row will register.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: sprit on Thu, 07 July 2016, 17:59:47
Let me in the Next round again !

Thanks Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: nateth on Sun, 10 July 2016, 21:26:12
I'd love to be in the next round if possible. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 14 July 2016, 21:19:48
6th Run opens today!
Price is revised due to recent exchange rate.
Thanks



Alps64 PCB 6th Run
       
Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com to place order, let me know number of PCB and your paypal account if different from your email. Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email. You'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account.
       
It will be shipped in a week or two after payment.
       
Thanks,
       
       
       
Alps64 PCB:
You can get a PCB or two.
       
Price: $40USD
Shipping: $10USD(add $2.5 per extra PCB) for world-wide shipping
       
       
       
AEK plates:
Only 10 plates are available.
       
This plate is made with PCB/FR-4, not metal. It is not as firm as steel plate but it works. Its color is black. These are made by cheap PCB house in China, every plate has scratches, burrs or slight cosmetic imperfections. I think PCB plate works in the end but this idea is sitll experimental and not established nor reviewed in the community yet. Get a metal plate somehow if you want to avoid unexpected defect.
       
You can add this plate to your order for $10 optionally. So PCB and plate cost $60USD(40+10+10) in total. At this time you cannot order only this plate without Alps64 PCB, sorry.
       
See links below for pics and info.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.msg2218108#msg2218108
http://imgur.com/a/ZEg96/all
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: sprit on Fri, 15 July 2016, 08:48:51
Appreciate Dear Hasu! 
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 15 July 2016, 09:42:43
Ordered! Going for PCB and one of these experimental plates, quite curious how they will turn outout.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 16 July 2016, 06:55:17
So here's a new one! I have an Alps64 board which used to work (as far as I remember), but I put it away because I needed one fewer keyboard than previously. Now that I've picked it back up, it has this kind of odd problem:

It starts out in layer 1 instead of 0! If I have FN keys available in layer1, they work fine, so I can access layer 2 and so on, and probably even layer 0, though I haven't tried making a new keymap just to test that.

So now I'm really confused. I've tried plain.c from TMK and my own keymap, and both start up in layer1.

I supposed I can just push all layers up one number and see if that works, but this is still really weird!!!

Cross posted in simple questions thread.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: a-c on Sat, 16 July 2016, 07:50:54
It starts out in layer 1 instead of 0! If I have FN keys available in layer1, they work fine, so I can access layer 2 and so on, and probably even layer 0, though I haven't tried making a new keymap just to test that.

Look at Boot Magic in the TMK documentation.  Probably changed the default layer by holding down keys when plugging it in.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 16 July 2016, 08:19:16
Tried clearing bootmagic settings with backspace and space, but that didn't work. The problem description is really similar, though.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 16 July 2016, 14:27:12
Tried clearing bootmagic settings with backspace and space, but that didn't work. The problem description is really similar, though.

Download firmware with default keymap  from keymap editor and flash it, first. Unplug the keyboard, then plug it again with holding space and backspace key.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 16 July 2016, 15:27:01
Yeah, that's what I tried. Plain.c.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 16 July 2016, 15:47:10
Yeah, that's what I tried. Plain.c.

what's Plain.c? You are using firware buit with your own keymap file Plain.c?

You better download firmware from keymap editor and follow my instruction above. Download firmware from here without any edit.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html

And post what you get in 'hid_listen' when pressing LShift+RShift+e? You will get output like this.
Code: [Select]
eeconfig:
default_layer: 0
debug_config.raw: 00
.enable: 0
.matrix: 0
.keyboard: 0
.mouse: 0
keymap_config.raw: 00
.swap_control_capslock: 0
.capslock_to_control: 0
.swap_lalt_lgui: 0
.swap_ralt_rgui: 0
.no_gui: 0
.swap_grave_esc: 0
.swap_backslash_backspace: 0
.nkro: 0

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: stimuz on Sat, 16 July 2016, 18:18:59
Great product, bought one about a month ago and "completed" it last week using a SGI 101 dremel cut(don't do this is you can avoid it) plate and keys. It's currently my favorite board.

http://i.imgur.com/42TTCYJ.jpg

edit: since I'm posting here anyway, maybe someone competent with TMK can tell me an easy way to change right shift, right alt, right windows and right control to arrow keys and capslock to function.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 17 July 2016, 09:09:44
Yeah, that's what I tried. Plain.c.

what's Plain.c? You are using firware buit with your own keymap file Plain.c?

You better download firmware from keymap editor and follow my instruction above. Download firmware from here without any edit.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html

And post what you get in 'hid_listen' when pressing LShift+RShift+e? You will get output like this.
Code: [Select]
eeconfig:
default_layer: 0
debug_config.raw: 00
.enable: 0
.matrix: 0
.keyboard: 0
.mouse: 0
keymap_config.raw: 00
.swap_control_capslock: 0
.capslock_to_control: 0
.swap_lalt_lgui: 0
.swap_ralt_rgui: 0
.no_gui: 0
.swap_grave_esc: 0
.swap_backslash_backspace: 0
.nkro: 0

https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/alps64/keymap_plain.c

Waiting for device:
Listening:
_config.raw: 00
.enable: 0
.matrix: 0
.keyboard: 0
.mouse: 0
keymap_config.raw: 00
.swap_control_capslock: 0
.capslock_to_control: 0
.swap_lalt_lgui: 0
.swap_ralt_rgui: 0
.no_gui: 0
.swap_grave_esc: 0
.swap_backslash_backspace: 0
.nkro: 0 

The default firmware from tmk-kbd worked, but that only has one layer, so that's no surprise.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 17 July 2016, 13:55:27
Great. Bootmagic is not the cause of your problem.  Your keymap or hardware seems to me be the culprit.

I hope you can solve it.

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 17 July 2016, 22:32:39
Great product, bought one about a month ago and "completed" it last week using a SGI 101 dremel cut(don't do this is you can avoid it) plate and keys. It's currently my favorite board.

http://i.imgur.com/42TTCYJ.jpg

edit: since I'm posting here anyway, maybe someone competent with TMK can tell me an easy way to change right shift, right alt, right windows and right control to arrow keys and capslock to function.

Thanks for posting the pic!
Yeah, DIY cutting pate is very time consumig and makes an old keyboard victim. You were really lucky with dremel I did that ridiculously with hand saw :D

Just FYI for all:
Now you can get DXF data of 60% Alps plate fortunately due to effort of emdude, Wingpad and the community.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

I think you can order a steel plate from cheap laser cut service like http://lasergist.com/ for less than $50.

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 17 July 2016, 23:39:10
Great product, bought one about a month ago and "completed" it last week using a SGI 101 dremel cut(don't do this is you can avoid it) plate and keys. It's currently my favorite board.

http://i.imgur.com/42TTCYJ.jpg


Thanks for posting the pic!
Yeah, DIY cutting pate is very time consumig and makes an old keyboard victim. You were really lucky with dremel I did that ridiculously with hand saw :D

Just FYI for all:
Now you can get DXF data of 60% Alps plate fortunately due to effort of emdude, Wingpad and the community.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

I think you can order a steel plate from cheap laser cut service like http://lasergist.com/ for less than $50.

I was planning on cutting up my AEK plate with a jigsaw, hoping it would easier than using a dremel. Although, with a DXF I may look into a Chinese laser-cutter before hacking up a perfectly good keyboard.

Anyway, how thick is the FR-4 plate because Lasergist cuts in 1mm and 1.5mm thicknesses, but I hear the switches won't click into place at 1.5mm?

PCB itself is great, Keep up the good work Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 18 July 2016, 00:06:56
Great product, bought one about a month ago and "completed" it last week using a SGI 101 dremel cut(don't do this is you can avoid it) plate and keys. It's currently my favorite board.

http://i.imgur.com/42TTCYJ.jpg


Thanks for posting the pic!
Yeah, DIY cutting pate is very time consumig and makes an old keyboard victim. You were really lucky with dremel I did that ridiculously with hand saw :D

Just FYI for all:
Now you can get DXF data of 60% Alps plate fortunately due to effort of emdude, Wingpad and the community.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

I think you can order a steel plate from cheap laser cut service like http://lasergist.com/ for less than $50.

I was planning on cutting up my AEK plate with a jigsaw, hoping it would easier than using a dremel. Although, with a DXF I may look into a Chinese laser-cutter before hacking up a perfectly good keyboard.

Anyway, how thick is the FR-4 plate because Lasergist cuts in 1mm and 1.5mm thicknesses, but I hear the switches won't click into place at 1.5mm?

PCB itself is great, Keep up the good work Hasu!

My AEK PCB plate is 1.2mm thick. Alps spec says thickness should be 1.0-1.2mm and I don't know how 1.5mm plate works with Alps switches.
If you order a plate using the DXF file report the result in the thread above.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: sprit on Mon, 18 July 2016, 02:42:33
1.0 - 1.2mm plates are standard, thinner will be noisier, thicker will sturdy and quiet by its nature.
Personally prefer 1.2mm Steel Plates we see among Famous ALPS boards, for the Linears, Tactiles,
1.0-1.2 Alu Plates for the Clicky, linerars, etc.
-  But this depends on each real form of product, sure.

Appreciate Hasu for bring this to us !     :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 18 July 2016, 04:48:01
Great. Bootmagic is not the cause of your problem.  Your keymap or hardware seems to me be the culprit.

I hope you can solve it.

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Probably hardware. I suck at soldering.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 18 July 2016, 12:00:07
I was just about to cut up a perfectly good AEK1 steel plate before I saw Hasu's PCB plate along with the 7th run, all paid up and can't wait for them to get here. Retrobrighted the AEK spacebar yesterday, it's looking good!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 19 July 2016, 17:59:31
sprit, thanks for sharing your experience on plates.
My 1.2mm FR-4 plate worked well without problem in assembly process and on typing so far. Glad :D
Comparing to steel plate with orange switches I can't feel significant difference except for switch property, but it may be because I have no good sensitivity on finger tips.

(http://i.imgur.com/Hzpisqp.jpg)

My space bar needs retrobrite too!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: emdude on Tue, 19 July 2016, 18:07:34
Looks great, hasu!  Very good to hear that your plate works fine.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 19 July 2016, 19:46:18
sprit, thanks for sharing your experience on plates.
My 1.2mm FR-4 plate worked well without problem in assembly process and on typing so far. Glad :D
Comparing to steel plate with orange switches I can't feel significant difference except for switch property, but it may be because I have no good sensitivity on finger tips.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Hzpisqp.jpg)


My space bar needs retrobrite too!

Hi Hasu, may you'll find this helpful. Hydrogen peroxide is a bit fiddly, but there are certain hair products with basically the same active ingredients as retrobrite that you can try and find. I used this one here: http://www.superdrug.com/B-Blonde/Jerome-Russell-B-Blonde-Cream-Peroxide-40-Vol-12%25-Lightner/p/42293

But obviously I don't know if this brand is specific to the UK or not, I imagine there must be similar products in Japan.

It comes in a convenient gel form, saves the effort of trying to mix it yourself, give it a go!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: stimuz on Sat, 23 July 2016, 00:08:40
Quote
Yeah, DIY cutting pate is very time consumig and makes an old keyboard victim. You were really lucky with dremel I did that ridiculously with hand saw :D

As a followup, I also chopped up a space invader plate and this time it was much(MUCH) faster. Used dremel 409 disks, gotta replace them pretty often but if you do it right you can get maybe 5-7" of cut per disk. Still sucks, but kind of fun at the same time. Make sure you use eye protection though, the disks shatter easily.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: bubblebobbler on Fri, 05 August 2016, 18:19:15
my build is mostly done, lots of problems that I solved with bad solutions, so it is hardly ideal... but this was a learning experience for next time anyhow

1) I didn't pay attention to the pcb, so I cut a plate that wasn't compatible. I filed down the mistake to fix it, but the spacebar is now .25 shorter than would make sense.

2) I cut the plate using swillkb, and their ISO enters had center-mounts, which alps typically do not have. the AEK ISO Enter key 'fits', with some space to the left of it unused.

3) another swillkb thing, the wire clips with alps stabilisers do not match the wire sizes, so I'll have to bend my own wires.


(http://puu.sh/qreGn/6b1c28ac6e.jpg)


ignore the ugly caps, I'm currently using 4 different keysets with it just to fill it up (unless I use a mix of AEK ISO and ANSI caps, I'll always have to use at least 2 due to the enter key). it'll always be a little ugly just because of the dumb mistakes I made, but it works ok anyhow


so, a question I had. Is there any chance of split lshift support in the future (assuming it isn't there already). basically iso lshift on the inside and the 1u key on the outside, same as split rshift.


Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: sprit on Fri, 05 August 2016, 20:04:41
sprit, thanks for sharing your experience on plates.
My 1.2mm FR-4 plate worked well without problem in assembly process and on typing so far. Glad :D        >   I'd love to type on it FR-4 Plate ! 
Comparing to steel plate with orange switches I can't feel significant difference except for switch property, but it may be because I have no good sensitivity on finger tips.   
>  Dear Hasu, Would You try another thin Caps?    The Apple Dyesub caps are too Perfect, covering all the small defects, IMO.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Hzpisqp.jpg)

My space bar needs retrobrite too!   >  Still Beautiful  I See !

Dear Hasu !
>   I'd love to type on Your FR-4 Plate ! 
>   Your space bar is  Still Beautiful  ! 
Use a 2% H2O2  Hydroperoxide from a Pharmacy   $0.5 /500mL   -  Put in a bag with 50mL H2O2, less than 1 hours under The Shade!!!   DO NOT Wait until white in the Solution!! its Too Much!!!!
>   Dear Hasu, Would You try another thin Caps?    The Apple Dyesub caps are too Perfect, covering all the small defects, IMO.   
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: sprit on Fri, 05 August 2016, 20:33:07

Show Image
(http://puu.sh/qreGn/6b1c28ac6e.jpg)


Great Job!  I love It!    :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [5th Run 2016/06]
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 12 August 2016, 20:59:34
So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating  :(
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard.  :thumb:

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks

I flashed this to my keyboard and tested it, it did not wake it from sleep.
I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.
I can cope with it though, I can just use my mouse or my numpad.

Thanks though and sorry for being a bother.

Thanks for your test.
hm, it can have problem with USB3 or some system.
I confirmed it can wake up Windows10 on my Thinkpad X201s but I don't have system with USB3 or x58 to test now. I'll leave this issue open on github and test it on newer system if I get a chance.

I can test it on usb2 when I get a chance, I hadn't thought of the add-on usb3 being an issue.

I was wondering if you could add this to the TMK Editor online?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: sprit on Fri, 12 August 2016, 21:10:57
Hi Hasu, may you'll find this helpful. Hydrogen peroxide is a bit fiddly, but there are certain hair products with basically the same active ingredients as retrobrite that you can try and find. I used this one here: http://www.superdrug.com/B-Blonde/Jerome-Russell-B-Blonde-Cream-Peroxide-40-Vol-12%25-Lightner/p/42293
But obviously I don't know if this brand is specific to the UK or not, I imagine there must be similar products in Japan.
It comes in a convenient gel form, saves the effort of trying to mix it yourself, give it a go!
Nice! I will try that!  :)
Just be careful with H2O2  Hydrogen peroxide, too much Sunlight may cause the Caps to be de-colored, White!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: sprit on Fri, 12 August 2016, 21:14:19
Hello Dear Hasu! 
Would you please be a Tester for the Alps Springs GB?
We will be happy to have You!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: hasu on Fri, 12 August 2016, 21:57:32
Hello Dear Hasu! 
Would you please be a Tester for the Alps Springs GB?
We will be happy to have You!

Thanks for the offer. I'm happy to join!
I could not PM you, so I just sent message from 'Send email' of Geekhack.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: waqar on Mon, 22 August 2016, 15:26:37
Just got a quote from Lasergist for AEK plate

Width: 285mm
Height: 95mm
Path length: 4422mm

AISI 316 Brushed 1.5mm think stainless steel plate US$ 49.27
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: emdude on Mon, 22 August 2016, 15:28:59
Just got a quote from Lasergist for AEK plate

Width: 285mm
Height: 95mm
Path length: 4422mm

AISI 316 Brushed 1.5mm think stainless steel plate US$ 49.27


I do not recommend that thickness, the switches will not be able to properly clip into the plate.

1.0mm is a better choice.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: xondat on Mon, 22 August 2016, 15:35:17
Just got a quote from Lasergist for AEK plate

Width: 285mm
Height: 95mm
Path length: 4422mm

AISI 316 Brushed 1.5mm think stainless steel plate US$ 49.27


I do not recommend that thickness, the switches will not be able to properly clip into the plate.

1.0mm is a better choice.

1.5mm is the standard plate thickness. Switches clip into 1.5mm.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: emdude on Mon, 22 August 2016, 15:36:29
Just got a quote from Lasergist for AEK plate

Width: 285mm
Height: 95mm
Path length: 4422mm

AISI 316 Brushed 1.5mm think stainless steel plate US$ 49.27


I do not recommend that thickness, the switches will not be able to properly clip into the plate.

1.0mm is a better choice.

1.5mm is the standard plate thickness. Switches clip into 1.5mm.

For Cherry switches.  Alps specs specify 1.0-1.2mm for their switches.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: waqar on Mon, 22 August 2016, 15:41:10
Thanks for the info. I have not ordered the plate, i will change it 1.0mm probably be cheaper.

Just got a quote from Lasergist for AEK plate

Width: 285mm
Height: 95mm
Path length: 4422mm

AISI 316 Brushed 1.5mm think stainless steel plate US$ 49.27


I do not recommend that thickness, the switches will not be able to properly clip into the plate.

1.0mm is a better choice.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 22 August 2016, 15:51:33
Thanks for the info. I have not ordered the plate, i will change it 1.0mm probably be cheaper.

Just got a quote from Lasergist for AEK plate

Width: 285mm
Height: 95mm
Path length: 4422mm

AISI 316 Brushed 1.5mm think stainless steel plate US$ 49.27


I do not recommend that thickness, the switches will not be able to properly clip into the plate.

1.0mm is a better choice.

I recommend emailing lasergist for a 1.2mm plate, I think someone posted in the 60% plate thread recently saying they've had success getting 1.2mm plates from lasergist by emailing them and asking for it specifically.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: waqar on Mon, 22 August 2016, 18:05:56
Thanks for the info. I have not ordered the plate, i will change it 1.0mm probably be cheaper.

Just got a quote from Lasergist for AEK plate

Width: 285mm
Height: 95mm
Path length: 4422mm

AISI 316 Brushed 1.5mm think stainless steel plate US$ 49.27


I do not recommend that thickness, the switches will not be able to properly clip into the plate.

1.0mm is a better choice.

I recommend emailing lasergist for a 1.2mm plate, I think someone posted in the 60% plate thread recently saying they've had success getting 1.2mm plates from lasergist by emailing them and asking for it specifically.

Yep lasergist will do 1.2mm plates. you have to select 1.5mm and then in notes you have to add that you want 1.2mm plate. Same cost.


"Yes, 1.2mm Stainless Steel is available at the same cost as the 1.5mm - just please add it as a note during checkout!"
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: sprit on Mon, 22 August 2016, 23:50:26
Just got a quote from Lasergist for AEK plate

Width: 285mm
Height: 95mm
Path length: 4422mm

AISI 316 Brushed 1.5mm think stainless steel plate US$ 49.27


I do not recommend that thickness, the switches will not be able to properly clip into the plate.

1.0mm is a better choice.

1.5mm is the standard plate thickness. Switches clip into 1.5mm.

For Cherry switches.  Alps specs specify 1.0-1.2mm for their switches.

Yes Sir, It is!    :)    https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2220400#msg2220400 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2220400#msg2220400) 
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: ipreferpie on Tue, 23 August 2016, 04:04:03
Is there anywhere I can buy an Infinity plate? Been looking everywhere :(
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 23 August 2016, 12:28:06
Is there anywhere I can buy an Infinity plate? Been looking everywhere :(

Have you got a plate file you could share with us?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: Shish Happens on Sun, 28 August 2016, 19:26:26
Haven't made a post on here yet so thought I'd share my Alps64 build from the recent run. I'd say the build overall went pretty well considering it was the first keyboard I have ever built. Loving the 60% layout so far.  :D

I salvaged all the keycaps from an AEK II I found on eBay including a locking caps lock which I desoldered from the AEK II and soldered onto the new PCB (Using TMK made getting the locking caps lock working a dream).

Got a hold of some Matias quiet click switches and proceeded to remove the dampers from 60 of them, so the switches now have some proper satisfying audible feedback.

The case I used I found on Amazon from UK Keycaps for around 20 GBP, I've heard the stand offs are fairly flimsy on these cheap plastic cases but I haven't had any problems (yet). I haven't even used all the screws so only time will tell. I was considering something custom or maybe a nice acrylic case but shipping from the US costs about as much as the keyboard itself.

Still waiting for a custom USB cable I ordered from Pexon PC to arrive but other than that I'd say the build is complete.

Thanks to hasu too for making this GB possible I couldn't be happier with the end result.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: waqar on Mon, 29 August 2016, 14:42:04
Just got the Alps64 pcb, I hooked it up to the mac, but when I connect contacts with paperclip, the contacts do not register. Do I need to solder the diodes before they will work? Or do I need a different OS?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 29 August 2016, 14:44:28
Just got the Alps64 pcb, I hooked it up to the mac, but when I connect contacts with paperclip, the contacts do not register. Do I need to solder the diodes before they will work? Or do I need a different OS?

I believe you have to solder in the diodes first. That's what I did at least.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: waqar on Mon, 29 August 2016, 14:56:45
Just got the Alps64 pcb, I hooked it up to the mac, but when I connect contacts with paperclip, the contacts do not register. Do I need to solder the diodes before they will work? Or do I need a different OS?

I believe you have to solder in the diodes first. That's what I did at least.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 29 August 2016, 15:49:42
Just got the Alps64 pcb, I hooked it up to the mac, but when I connect contacts with paperclip, the contacts do not register. Do I need to solder the diodes before they will work? Or do I need a different OS?

I checked the PCB by shorting the switch pad to the diode pad. I think hasu included explicit example in the OP, just follow it for all switch positions
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: Shish Happens on Mon, 29 August 2016, 15:55:30
Just got the Alps64 pcb, I hooked it up to the mac, but when I connect contacts with paperclip, the contacts do not register. Do I need to solder the diodes before they will work? Or do I need a different OS?

I believe you have to solder in the diodes first. That's what I did at least.

Thanks!

waqer don't solder anything as if you do and the PCB still doesn't work it will be difficult to argue that the board was broken when you received it. I think hasu posted something about how to check if your PCB works before you go to all the effort of building the board. duynguyenle beat me to it while I was typing out this reply.

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [6th Run 07/15]
Post by: waqar on Mon, 29 August 2016, 16:41:15
Success!

For Testing on OS X you need make sure plug in the board, type the following command:

system_profiler SPUSBDataType

You should get an output like this:

Alps64:

          Product ID: 0x6464
          Vendor ID: 0xfeed
          Version: 0.01
          Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
          Manufacturer: TMK
          Location ID: 0x14200000 / 20
          Current Available (mA): 1000
          Current Required (mA): 100
          Extra Operating Current (mA): 0

Now you can connect the contacts as described by @hasu and you should see 'm'
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Slippery_John on Fri, 09 September 2016, 20:57:41
Is another run incoming?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tmrmn on Tue, 13 September 2016, 14:30:38
Since i couldn't find anybody ever REALLY confirming that the PCB fits a Pok3r case: yes, yes it does. Most satisfying fit i've ver seen. The USB connector is perfectly centered and the diodes basically "hug" the fins of the case (the older Pok3r case has supporting fins in the case). In a good way ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/K7urMry.jpg)

Here is a little build log (https://imgur.com/gallery/N0n8I) of my 60% AEK with more pictures.
It uses an acrylic plate and custom stabilisers.
I made the drawings public on github (https://github.com/dennistimmermann/aek64)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 13 September 2016, 15:53:46
Since i couldn't find anybody ever REALLY confirming that the PCB fits a Pok3r case: yes, yes it does. Most satisfying fit i've ver seen. The USB connector is perfectly centered and the diodes basically "hug" the fins of the case (the older Pok3r case has supporting fins in the case). In a good way ;)

Here is a little of my 60% AEK with more pictures.
It uses an acrylic plate and custom stabilisers.
I made the drawings public on github (https://github.com/dennistimmermann/aek64)

Holy moley  :eek:

Thanks for sharing the acrylic plate, I will try that some day!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 13 September 2016, 16:18:03
Since i couldn't find anybody ever REALLY confirming that the PCB fits a Pok3r case: yes, yes it does. Most satisfying fit i've ver seen. The USB connector is perfectly centered and the diodes basically "hug" the fins of the case (the older Pok3r case has supporting fins in the case). In a good way ;)

Thanks, good to know. Updated 'supported cases' section in first post.

And acrylic stabilizer is nice and inspiring!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: waqar on Thu, 15 September 2016, 18:28:24
Plate from Lasergist arrived, so far it matches @hasu's plate.
The case from Aliexpress Low Profile poker case fits just fine.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: atrere on Tue, 20 September 2016, 23:14:59
I'm still making modifications to my build, but I'd like to report that the PCB-material plate worked wonderfully, feels plenty solid, and was a pleasure to work with.
Once I'm done, I'll update with a post about the finished build. I had a lot of fun with it.
EDIT: As written up for another site:
http://imgur.com/FiPYx4D
This board was built with the purpose of being dark and quiet, being visually and sonically unobtrusive while at the same time sacrificing little in terms of quality. In other words, the opposite of my Model F spherical project.
It is in AEK layout, with a PCB and PCB-material mounting plate from the ever-amazing Hasu. The switches are basically SKCM Orange, with a few key modifications. The sliders have been replaced with damped White sliders from a 1995 AEK II (hence Creamsicle), and a small piece of folded paper has been inserted behind the tactile leaf, in effect making the switches more quiet than even MX Browns with O-rings. The spacebar has been silenced by means of installing landing pads on the stabilizers, which previously produced a large degree of rattle and clack.
The Capslock and Right-Super keys are SKCL Locking switches (Grey and Cream, respectively), the Right-Super key kicking the board into a function layer, with WASD functioning as arrow keys, QE as PgUp and PgDn, < and > as previous track and next track, P as play/pause, and -+ as volume controls, along with Backspace as mute.
The main body of keys is a sort of dark copper color, created by not quite dyeing them long enough in iDye Poly black, but I've found that I kind of like the color.
The case is an aluminum case from a Pok3r, and the spacebar was nearly a disaster, as dipping an ABS spacebar in near-boiling dye is always scary, especially when you remember that 6.5u spacebars are hard to source.
This is my first 60% board, my first Alps board, and my first Otaku board. Frankly, I love it. Here's a typing sample, from before the keys were dyed, and with the original plastic case.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: axtran on Thu, 22 September 2016, 12:39:20
Ugh, I want another ALPS60 ;)


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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: waqar on Tue, 27 September 2016, 19:55:36
It's alive! Just finished my first custom, and first 60% ALPS64.
Spacebar needs a bit of retrobrite.

Donor for Keycaps: AEK (cream switches not used)
Switches: Matais clicke  switches
Case: Low Profile silver aluminum
Plate: Lasergist 1.2mm thick

Now to install AVR and program it.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Zealousy on Tue, 27 September 2016, 20:40:06
Lately I've been getting lots of double keypresses, and I'm not sure what's causing it. I just had the soldering touched up a couple of weeks ago and hadn't had issue with it until this week. Any ideas what might be going on?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 27 September 2016, 20:46:14
Lately I've been getting lots of double keypresses, and I'm not sure what's causing it. I just had the soldering touched up a couple of weeks ago and hadn't had issue with it until this week. Any ideas what might be going on?

I switched my keycaps and my t and i keys have been double pressing (chattering?), I haven't checked my soldering but I can only assume that that is the issue. I type "but" a lot and it keeps making me type "butt" lol
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 27 September 2016, 21:31:17
Any chance for round 7?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: axtran on Wed, 28 September 2016, 14:16:43
Lately I've been getting lots of double keypresses, and I'm not sure what's causing it. I just had the soldering touched up a couple of weeks ago and hadn't had issue with it until this week. Any ideas what might be going on?

Confirm your config DEBOUNCE settings. Most of the times, it's a failing switch. :(


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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 30 September 2016, 20:57:54
Hi all,
Thanks for your support.

Alps64 PCB 7th Run is open now

Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com to place order, let me know number of PCB and your paypal account if different from your email. Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email. You'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account.
       
Shipping date will be around Oct 14. And PCB color is now green.
       
Alps64 PCB:       
Price: $40USD                                   
Shipping: $10USD(add $2.5 per extra PCB) for world-wide shipping                                           

Thanks,
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: pieman103021 on Fri, 30 September 2016, 22:25:54
Cool! I won't be able to jump in this round but hopefully I will manage to make the next one. Great to see that these are still being made.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Sat, 01 October 2016, 06:54:31
Ordered n paid.. so excited to try my first alps build
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: axtran on Sat, 01 October 2016, 13:43:54
Hoping for a different color for this round. Purple PCBs might be cool... ;)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 01 October 2016, 14:48:55
Glow in the dark orange :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sat, 01 October 2016, 14:59:17
Greeeeeeeen!
(http://i.imgur.com/E0Ni0iYl.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 01 October 2016, 15:12:22
Greeeeeeeen!


That's quite nice Hasu  :thumb:

Will you consider doing different colours in future runs or will this be the new permanent colour?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sat, 01 October 2016, 15:36:12
Greeeeeeeen!


That's quite nice Hasu  :thumb:

Will you consider doing different colours in future runs or will this be the new permanent colour?

I recently tend to choose green from the point view of cost but I can't say anything in future.
Ex-manufacturer doesn't cost me for color but current one does :(
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Wed, 05 October 2016, 23:02:31
Does anyone have problem on USB suspend(sleep)/resume(wakeup) and BIOS/EFI with Alps64?
I am debuging and updating USB code in repository and wan to get infos on this from users, like detailed problem description, OS, computer hardware and etc.

Can you sleep computer with keeping  keyboard connected?
Can you wakeup computer with keyboard? Pressing any key on keyboard should wake your computer.
Can you use keyboard normally after wakeup(resume)?

Can you use keyboard normally after reboot?
Can you use keyboard normally on BIOS/UEFI?
Can you use keyboard normally on BIOS/UEFI after reboot?

Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 05 October 2016, 23:04:56
Does anyone have problem on USB suspend(sleep)/resume(wakeup) and BIOS/EFI with Alps64?
I am debuging and updating USB code in repository and wan to get infos on this from users, like detailed problem description, OS, computer hardware and etc.

Can you sleep computer with keeping  keyboard connected?
Can you wakeup computer with keyboard? Pressing any key on keyboard should wake your computer.
Can you use keyboard normally after wakeup(resume)?

Can you use keyboard normally after reboot?
Can you use keyboard normally on BIOS/UEFI?
Can you use keyboard normally on BIOS/UEFI after reboot?

Thanks.
Yes
Yes
Yes

Yes
Yes
Yes

Working great :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 07 October 2016, 23:20:57
Nice.
Thanks, Deductivemonkee.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 07 October 2016, 23:38:53
Nice.
Thanks, Deductivemonkee.

No problem. I got my alps64 to wake my PC on my x58 system. Using actionmap fixed it somehow.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Applet on Sun, 09 October 2016, 04:40:06
Is round 7 still going? If not I'm in for rount 8 ;D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Sun, 09 October 2016, 06:18:53
Is round 7 still going? If not I'm in for rount 8 ;D

I think so, just email hasu
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 11 October 2016, 02:22:59
PCBs(from batch.1) paid as of now(Tue Oct 11 07:12:51 UTC 2016) were shipped today. Participants will  get tracking number from Japan Post in 48 hours, if not email me.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 11 October 2016, 09:39:22
got my tracking number.. thanks hasu
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: jorgenslee on Fri, 14 October 2016, 05:30:24
Hi Hasu,

Just curious if it is possible to cut/remove the 2 1.5u in bottom to achieve HHKB layout?  I have a case but it requires custom pcb  with that area cutoff.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 14 October 2016, 05:35:52
No, you can't. Row 2 and 3 will be killed probably.

You have to patch them at least.

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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: XMIT on Sun, 16 October 2016, 22:30:17
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Reckless5040 on Tue, 18 October 2016, 09:01:45
Im interested in one for sure. If any batch 2 are still available.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 18 October 2016, 09:19:44
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

what plate did u use? looks great..
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Applet on Tue, 18 October 2016, 11:52:52
Got my PCB today, looks good, thanks! :) It's going to replace my butchered rev A PCB soon
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 18 October 2016, 12:08:05
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

What case is that?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 18 October 2016, 13:44:29
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

What case is that?

Looks to be this case from AliExpress (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Clear-Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Compatible-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32559075729.html). I have one and it looks nice with the blue PCB of the older revisions.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 18 October 2016, 15:33:25
Hi all,
All PCBs from batch.1 were shipped, if you made payment till Oct 12 you should have already tracking number. If not let me know.

PCBs from batch.2 are still available and you can order it.

Im interested in one for sure. If any batch 2 are still available.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 18 October 2016, 15:50:30
@Hasu: Batch 2 is for the PCB only? Do you also supply plates? If you do not supply plates, do you have suggestions for suppliers or suggestions of where to download templates to have plates made? Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hybrid on Tue, 18 October 2016, 16:21:28
@Hasu: Batch 2 is for the PCB only? Do you also supply plates? If you do not supply plates, do you have suggestions for suppliers or suggestions of where to download templates to have plates made? Thank you!

PCB and Diodes only. Use the Open Source Alps 60% plate. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0)

Seems you can have the plate made for about $55-60, or use the AEKII plate and just cut it down to size.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Scarpia on Tue, 18 October 2016, 16:30:39
My plate arrived from Lasergist today, so I finally got to build my Alps64 today. Thanks to hasu for an impeccable product!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

(http://i.imgur.com/C1LTP1P.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/a9V1yp2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4V17k0k.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/QfQjLz4.jpg?1)

Gallery / build log: http://imgur.com/a/6QdOG
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 18 October 2016, 16:33:18
Hi Hypersphere,
PCB only.
My AEK FR4(PCB) plates were not so popular and I decided not to resotck them. I'll have canceled plate from last group buy, perhaps.

As people say,
To get stainless steel plate you can use lasergist.com with plate design file published here. You will have to contact them to get 1.2mm thick material option.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

(I'll update first post to add this info.)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Scarpia on Tue, 18 October 2016, 16:33:38
@Hasu: Batch 2 is for the PCB only? Do you also supply plates? If you do not supply plates, do you have suggestions for suppliers or suggestions of where to download templates to have plates made? Thank you!

PCB and Diodes only. Use the Open Source Alps 60% plate. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0)

Seems you can have the plate made for about $55-60, or use the AEKII plate and just cut it down to size.

I had mine cut by Lasergist.com using the AEK file from that thread (and asking for 1.2mm instead of 1.5mm as the thread suggests). I paid $49.50 shipped for it, and you can see the result here (https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/alps64-build-with-alps-skcm-brown-t14810.html)

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: axtran on Wed, 19 October 2016, 00:02:20
Do you have pictures of green PCBs made in the latest run? Any changes?


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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Wed, 19 October 2016, 02:39:52
Do you have pictures of green PCBs made in the latest run? Any changes?


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First post has pic of the green PCB.
Footprint of USB connector was changed a bit and silk prints were fixed from the last revision. Not changed virtually.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: gogusrl on Wed, 19 October 2016, 06:29:03
My pcb got here and it came by DHL. Now those pieces of #@#$ want almost another 50$ in taxes and customs charges. Pissed does not describe how I'm feeling at the moment.

I'm having trouble understanding how the hell my package ended up in DHL's hands when Hasu sent it by Japan Mail.

Sorry for venting here but I didn't know where else to go.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: axtran on Wed, 19 October 2016, 07:39:47
My pcb got here and it came by DHL. Now those pieces of #@#$ want almost another 50$ in taxes and customs charges. Pissed does not describe how I'm feeling at the moment.

I'm having trouble understanding how the hell my package ended up in DHL's hands when Hasu sent it by Japan Mail.

Sorry for venting here but I didn't know where else to go.

Is it how your country handles mail routing? Couldn't tell you. Any way to petition?


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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 19 October 2016, 09:21:52
Do I *need* a plate, or is it recommended?

I ask out of ignorance.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: nickheller on Wed, 19 October 2016, 09:23:49
Do I *need* a plate, or is it recommended?

I ask out of ignorance.

Thanks!

You need a plate
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 19 October 2016, 09:47:39
Do I *need* a plate, or is it recommended?

I ask out of ignorance.

Thanks!

You need a plate

Thanks, time to get cutting then. 

Cheers.

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: phoible on Fri, 21 October 2016, 21:53:52
I had mine cut by Lasergist.com using the AEK file from that thread (and asking for 1.2mm instead of 1.5mm as the thread suggests). I paid $49.50 shipped for it, and you can see the result here (https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/alps64-build-with-alps-skcm-brown-t14810.html)

Is there a good reason to go with 1.2mm rather than 1.0mm? I built my first AEK64 with a 1.0mm plate, and it seems to have turned out fine (it has become my default keyboard at work). Building another one once Batch 2, ships, and need to order a plate.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Quakemz on Sun, 23 October 2016, 04:19:45
Paid my invoice for two. Thanks, Hasu! Can't wait to put all these SKCM Browns to use.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Sun, 23 October 2016, 06:11:32
Paid my invoice for two. Thanks, Hasu! Can't wait to put all these SKCM Browns to use.  :thumb:

wanna sell some to me?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: graefeln on Sun, 23 October 2016, 07:35:36
Not sure what I am going to do with it, but it's about time I tried Alps... though I probably won't put anything together until after Christmas. Still, that gives me plenty of time to decide on (and hopefully find) switches, caps, a case and plate.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sun, 23 October 2016, 19:32:32
I had mine cut by Lasergist.com using the AEK file from that thread (and asking for 1.2mm instead of 1.5mm as the thread suggests). I paid $49.50 shipped for it, and you can see the result here (https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/alps64-build-with-alps-skcm-brown-t14810.html)

Is there a good reason to go with 1.2mm rather than 1.0mm? I built my first AEK64 with a 1.0mm plate, and it seems to have turned out fine (it has become my default keyboard at work). Building another one once Batch 2, ships, and need to order a plate.

I think there are no actual difference but hey... apparently some people prefer thick and heavy around here :D

One datasheet says "THE MOUNTING PANEL TO BE 1.0mm TO 1.2mm IN THICKNESS" and another just specifies "t1.2",  btw.
https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/68/Forward_Electronics_--_spec_--_SKBMFA.pdf
https://deskthority.net/w/images/3/32/Alps_Electric_--_spec_--_5454_31.pdf
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 23 October 2016, 20:39:15
I had mine cut by Lasergist.com using the AEK file from that thread (and asking for 1.2mm instead of 1.5mm as the thread suggests). I paid $49.50 shipped for it, and you can see the result here (https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/alps64-build-with-alps-skcm-brown-t14810.html)

Is there a good reason to go with 1.2mm rather than 1.0mm? I built my first AEK64 with a 1.0mm plate, and it seems to have turned out fine (it has become my default keyboard at work). Building another one once Batch 2, ships, and need to order a plate.

I think there are no actual difference but hey... apparently some people prefer thick and heavy around here :D

One datasheet says "THE MOUNTING PANEL TO BE 1.0mm TO 1.2mm IN THICKNESS" and another just specifies "t1.2",  btw.
https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/68/Forward_Electronics_--_spec_--_SKBMFA.pdf
https://deskthority.net/w/images/3/32/Alps_Electric_--_spec_--_5454_31.pdf

The plate keeps the switches alighted, but ultimately, 60% keyboards are mounted to the case only by the PCB and standoffs. The only substantial difference I can really think of would be the sound.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 25 October 2016, 04:17:56
Flashing the hex file using flip, I always got prompt "cannot write to usb". Do I need to use zadig first?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 25 October 2016, 04:30:27
Reinstalling driver doesn't help?
http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy

I for one never used zadig yet but I think it works.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 25 October 2016, 05:11:15
Reinstalling driver doesn't help?
http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy

I for one never used zadig yet but I think it works.

Couldn't find atm32u2 under 'other device' in Device Manager.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 25 October 2016, 07:09:19
Reinstalling driver doesn't help?
http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy

I for one never used zadig yet but I think it works.

Couldn't find atm32u2 under 'other device' in Device Manager.

You will find under 'Libusb-Win32 Devices' if driver is installed and working somehow.

Did you try Zadig? I hope it works for you.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 25 October 2016, 08:35:03
Reinstalling driver doesn't help?
http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy

I for one never used zadig yet but I think it works.

Couldn't find atm32u2 under 'other device' in Device Manager.

You will find under 'Libusb-Win32 Devices' if driver is installed and working somehow.

Did you try Zadig? I hope it works for you.

Tried Zadig, now the original firmware has gone. atmel device appear on device manager but still cannot write to usb in Flip.

Edit: replug the pcb and it works like a charm.. I don't know how it happen tho.  :D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 25 October 2016, 08:42:51
Reinstalling driver doesn't help?
http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy

I for one never used zadig yet but I think it works.

Couldn't find atm32u2 under 'other device' in Device Manager.

You will find under 'Libusb-Win32 Devices' if driver is installed and working somehow.

Did you try Zadig? I hope it works for you.

Tried Zadig, now the original firmware has gone. atmel device appear on device manager but still cannot write to usb in Flip.

No error message? Posting screenshots of device manager and FLIP would be helpful.
And check flash procedure again with 'Program Controller' section in first post.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Wed, 26 October 2016, 16:37:09
Batch.2 status update:
I missed Fedex delivery of PCBs from China yesterday but I'll have them today then start assembly this week end. Shipping will happen on next week hopefully.

You can sitll get Alps64 PCB from Batch.2 if payment is done till Oct 30th in JST.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:53:51
All PCBs ordered from batch.2 were shipped today. You will receive an email with tracking number from Japan Post in a day,  let me know if not.

Leftovers are still available and can be shipped immedately in a few days. Price is revised for leftovers.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: XMIT on Sun, 06 November 2016, 19:36:11
So sorry for the delayed response! I built my board using a generic GH60 case that I purchased here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182211470719

With the AEK II plate it was tricky to get the screw locations right. I use three screws: left of Tab, right of \|, and toward the right edge of the Space bar. I drilled holes in the plate, and bolt the PCB to the case.

I've got this thread open now as I'm in the process of converting Cream Damped Alps to Creamsicle Alps - that means swapping in the springs and tactile leaves from donor Orange Alps switches. Tedious, but, so worth it. This completely changes the character of the switch! The only better setup I can imagine, would be a hybrid of Cream and Brown. I really, really like Orange, and this mod keeps the same character but makes them quieter. The loud Clack becomes a refined Thock. Fantastic setup.

Four switches down, 56 to go. I'll be here for a little while...
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: XMIT on Sun, 06 November 2016, 22:00:09
Alright well, switching out the springs and leaves is done.

I modify what I said a little earlier. As a board I think it does feel better but only by a little bit.

The real magic of Orange Alps (and Blue Alps) is in the tall switch plate. This is part of what helps the switch to feel so solid: a rigid, no-flex, reinforced connection between the switch contacts and the shell of the switch.

As a proof of concept, I made one more complex hybrid switch. The spring, leaf, and switch plate are from an Orange switch. The top shell, bottom shell, and slider are from a Cream Damped switch. In order to get the tall Orange switch plate to fit in the bottom shell from the Cream Damped switch I had to snip two plastic pegs which are designed to support a short switch plate. The Cream Damped lower shell has landing pads for downstroke damping; it is easier to remove material than to add it.

The proof of concept switch is everything I could hope for from an Orange and Cream Damped hybrid. But, making it is really labor intensive since it involves swapping a switch plate. So I'll probably leave my board as is for now, unless I have some reason to de-solder all the switches *again*.

Thanks again to hasu for bringing this little PCB to production. The board I've made from it is one of my favorites, and my default (non-Hall effect, non-backlit) travel keyboard. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Laser on Mon, 07 November 2016, 03:47:14
@XMIT (since you seem to know your Alps) - I have a sufficient number of Blue Alps for a 60% custom build, but I'd rather do "something" and end up with tactile switches instead of clicky (while keeping the quality, of course). What would you recommend?

I also have enough White and Black Alps (from a Dell 102). Would it be ok to take the non-clicky switch plates (is that the term) from the Blacks, and move it into the  Blues?

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Applet on Mon, 07 November 2016, 04:05:41
I modify what I said a little earlier. As a board I think it does feel better but only by a little bit.
Great insight XMIT, thanks for sharing, I have been planning to do something similar for a while (I WAS thinking damped sliders in orange housings). I think I'll go all in and translplant the orange switch plates as well into the cream housings. I'm also considering taking the rubber dampers from a Matias Quiet Click keyboard I have, do you think it is worth it? I'm a bit worried that the dampers from the creams will dry up.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:01:05
Here is my latest hybrid, the "MatiaBlue" switch:

[attach=1]

This is a KBP V60MTS-C (V60 with Matias Click switches) with sliders, return springs, and click leaves transplanted from SKCM blue Alps switches.

These sound and feel more like blue Alps than Matias. The hybrid switches are lighter and quieter than Matias Click switches.

For the spacebar, I used a slider from a Matias Quiet switch. This dramatically quietens the spacebar.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:31:40
Here is my latest hybrid, the "MatiaBlue" switch:

(Attachment Link)

This is a KBP V60MTS-C (V60 with Matias Click switches) with sliders, return springs, and click leaves transplanted from SKCM blue Alps switches.

These sound and feel more like blue Alps than Matias. The hybrid switches are lighter and quieter than Matias Click switches.

For the spacebar, I used a slider from a Matias Quiet switch. This dramatically quietens the spacebar.

Interesting.  They look pretty cool
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 07 November 2016, 15:43:00
For more information on the "MatiaBlue" hybrid Matias/Blue Alps switch, see the pics and video at either of the following links:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85664.msg2298435#msg2298435

https://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/matias-switches-t14985.html#p336623

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: gnmar2723 on Mon, 07 November 2016, 17:18:00
Just got mine in the mail today! Can't wait to finally finish my AEK 60% board that has been in the works for almost half a year  :D Kinda sad that I didn't get one of the iconic blue pcb's but hey, no one will see it anyways.
(http://i.imgur.com/b8rCXFH.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tinyprawn on Mon, 21 November 2016, 21:26:08
Got my PCB today! I am going to test it and then get soldering. I can do the Diodes now but my plate isn't in so I have to wait on the switches. [attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tinyprawn on Wed, 23 November 2016, 11:38:28
Success! Gonna build it when the Lasergist board arrives or get sick of waiting and slice up my disassembled AEK2 keyboard's plate.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Ail on Wed, 23 November 2016, 13:44:29
Anyone have an extra or one they want to part with, hit me up!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 23 November 2016, 14:29:13
Anyone have an extra or one they want to part with, hit me up!

I thought Hasu still has some from the latest run?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Ail on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:06:15
Anyone have an extra or one they want to part with, hit me up!

I thought Hasu still has some from the latest run?

It says as of the 17th he is sold out, unless I read it wrong.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:36:52
Anyone have an extra or one they want to part with, hit me up!

I thought Hasu still has some from the latest run?

It says as of the 17th he is sold out, unless I read it wrong.

I totally missed that, sorry :(
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hybrid on Fri, 02 December 2016, 00:46:27
Finally got around to finishing mine today!

Couldn't be happier with the results!

(http://i.imgur.com/TSUkCcB.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Fri, 02 December 2016, 01:46:00
Finally got around to finishing mine today!

Couldn't be happier with the results!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TSUkCcB.jpg)

Nice dude
Apple italic keycaps are my favorites, yours look a bit filthy though.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: RealLaugh on Fri, 02 December 2016, 02:29:56
Finally got around to finishing mine today!

Couldn't be happier with the results!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TSUkCcB.jpg)

Nice dude
Apple italic keycaps are my favorites, yours look a bit filthy though.

Should have my build finished this weekend, I have some dirty caps but I want to leave them that way for the style xD

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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 02 December 2016, 03:59:49
Finally got around to finishing mine today!

Couldn't be happier with the results!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TSUkCcB.jpg)

Nice dude
Apple italic keycaps are my favorites, yours look a bit filthy though.

Should have my build finished this weekend, I have some dirty caps but I want to leave them that way for the style xD

Show Image
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Oh dear...you do know AEK iso is not supported right?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: RealLaugh on Fri, 02 December 2016, 04:15:13
Finally got around to finishing mine today!

Couldn't be happier with the results!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TSUkCcB.jpg)

Nice dude
Apple italic keycaps are my favorites, yours look a bit filthy though.

Should have my build finished this weekend, I have some dirty caps but I want to leave them that way for the style xD

Show Image
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Oh dear...you do know AEK iso is not supported right?

Do you mean that the pcb doesn't support AEK ISO or ISO in general?

Op has ISO support but I'm assuming you know that and that it's to do with the AEK ISO layout. I can confirm that you're right, original AEK II ISO isn't a perfect fit. I'm using the backplate/modifiers of an m0118 for the main keys and the keys/backplate of an AEK II for the bottom row, right shift, enter and back space. Seems to work to create the layout Hasu specced:

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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 02 December 2016, 06:29:52
Finally got around to finishing mine today!

Couldn't be happier with the results!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TSUkCcB.jpg)

Nice dude
Apple italic keycaps are my favorites, yours look a bit filthy though.

Should have my build finished this weekend, I have some dirty caps but I want to leave them that way for the style xD

Show Image
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/2bd22399a24ba3c0326560f7c0bd473d.jpg)



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Oh dear...you do know AEK iso is not supported right?

Do you mean that the pcb doesn't support AEK ISO or ISO in general?

Op has ISO support but I'm assuming you know that and that it's to do with the AEK ISO layout. I can confirm that you're right, original AEK II ISO isn't a perfect fit. I'm using the backplate/modifiers of an m0116 for the main keys and the keys/backplate of an AEK II for the bottom row, right shift, enter and back space. Seems to work to create the layout Hasu specced:

Show Image
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I see, it's impressive that you managed to find a 1.25u Left Shift, that arrangement 'should' work but you will end up with a bit of a weird gap around the enter key due to its small size. Assuming you were able to source every other keys in standard ANSI layout (pretty much all of the modifiers), you're probably got all your bases covered.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: RealLaugh on Fri, 02 December 2016, 06:35:56
Finally got around to finishing mine today!

Couldn't be happier with the results!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TSUkCcB.jpg)

Nice dude
Apple italic keycaps are my favorites, yours look a bit filthy though.

Should have my build finished this weekend, I have some dirty caps but I want to leave them that way for the style xD

Show Image
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/2bd22399a24ba3c0326560f7c0bd473d.jpg)



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Oh dear...you do know AEK iso is not supported right?

Do you mean that the pcb doesn't support AEK ISO or ISO in general?

Op has ISO support but I'm assuming you know that and that it's to do with the AEK ISO layout. I can confirm that you're right, original AEK II ISO isn't a perfect fit. I'm using the backplate/modifiers of an m0118 for the main keys and the keys/backplate of an AEK II for the bottom row, right shift, enter and back space. Seems to work to create the layout Hasu specced:

Show Image
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I see, it's impressive that you managed to find a 1.25u Left Shift, that arrangement 'should' work but you will end up with a bit of a weird gap around the enter key due to its small size. Assuming you were able to source every other keys in standard ANSI layout (pretty much all of the modifiers), you're probably got all your bases covered.

Yeah it was a mess and just pure luck that the seller from whom I got the AEK from also had the M0118 which I greedily wanted for the salmon switches but now turned out to be the life and death of this project. The left modifiers on the M0118 are smaller and I think that's partly why it works, and you're also right in saying that there is a gap between the enter key and the switch to the left of it. I originally purchased an ANSI M0487 from the states but that turned out to have Mitsumi switches instead of ALPS


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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: RealLaugh on Mon, 05 December 2016, 14:06:35
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

What case is that?

Looks to be this case from AliExpress (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Clear-Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Compatible-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32559075729.html). I have one and it looks nice with the blue PCB of the older revisions.

Copied XMIT with the case choice and position of the rainbow badge  :eek:. Bottom row, RShift, Enter and Backspace are all AEKII backplate. The other keys are positioned with the backplate from an M0116. Modifiers are ALPS White switches, the rest are ALPS Salmon, Enter is a Matias Quiet Click (because why not).

can someone link me to a guide on flashing tmk? I have no idea what to do, I can customise the layout fine but I don't know how to flash my own layout to accommodate for the locking caps switch  :eek:.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h46/RealLaugh/2016-12-05%2020.01.21_zpszulwrjfj.jpg) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/RealLaugh/media/2016-12-05%2020.01.21_zpszulwrjfj.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 05 December 2016, 14:38:57
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

What case is that?

Looks to be this case from AliExpress (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Clear-Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Compatible-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32559075729.html). I have one and it looks nice with the blue PCB of the older revisions.

Copied XMIT with the case choice and position of the rainbow badge  :eek:. Bottom row, RShift, Enter and Backspace are all AEKII backplate. The other keys are positioned with the backplate from an M0116. Modifiers are ALPS White switches, the rest are ALPS Salmon, Enter is a Matias Quiet Click (because why not).

can someone link me to a guide on flashing tmk? I have no idea what to do, I can customise the layout fine but I don't know how to flash my own layout to accommodate for the locking caps switch  :eek:.


I saw this in the TMK documentation, maybe you should try this? I don't currently have a locking switch in my Alps64 so I can't really test:

     

Mechanical Locking support

This feature makes it possible for you to use mechanical locking switch for CapsLock, NumLock or ScrollLock. To enable this feature define these macros in config.h and use KC_LCAP, KC_LNUM or KC_LSCR in keymap for locking key instead of normal KC_CAPS, KC_NLCK or KC_SLCK. Resync option tries to keep switch state consistent with keyboard LED state.

#define LOCKING_SUPPORT_ENABLE
#define LOCKING_RESYNC_ENABLE
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: RealLaugh on Mon, 05 December 2016, 14:53:02
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

What case is that?

Looks to be this case from AliExpress (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Clear-Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Compatible-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32559075729.html). I have one and it looks nice with the blue PCB of the older revisions.

Copied XMIT with the case choice and position of the rainbow badge  :eek:. Bottom row, RShift, Enter and Backspace are all AEKII backplate. The other keys are positioned with the backplate from an M0116. Modifiers are ALPS White switches, the rest are ALPS Salmon, Enter is a Matias Quiet Click (because why not).

can someone link me to a guide on flashing tmk? I have no idea what to do, I can customise the layout fine but I don't know how to flash my own layout to accommodate for the locking caps switch  :eek:.


I saw this in the TMK documentation, maybe you should try this? I don't currently have a locking switch in my Alps64 so I can't really test:

     

Mechanical Locking support

This feature makes it possible for you to use mechanical locking switch for CapsLock, NumLock or ScrollLock. To enable this feature define these macros in config.h and use KC_LCAP, KC_LNUM or KC_LSCR in keymap for locking key instead of normal KC_CAPS, KC_NLCK or KC_SLCK. Resync option tries to keep switch state consistent with keyboard LED state.

#define LOCKING_SUPPORT_ENABLE
#define LOCKING_RESYNC_ENABLE

Thanks for digging that up. I need something much more primitive, so I'm going to go away and read as this is TMK firmware documentation it must be heavily documented instead of acting as if I'm the first one to try to flash some TMK firmware like it's never been done before  :))

I'm referring to the parts where you get the PCB into flashing mode so that you can push the modded firmware to it - just as I was able to do this weekend with the Atreus for the first time but that was well outlined even for people like me who are not so used to doing this stuff.

Also I just realized one of the switches doesn't register unless I press it from the front of the keycap. Looks like I will have to swap that one out for another  :mad:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 05 December 2016, 15:28:32
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

What case is that?

Looks to be this case from AliExpress (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Clear-Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Compatible-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32559075729.html). I have one and it looks nice with the blue PCB of the older revisions.

Copied XMIT with the case choice and position of the rainbow badge  :eek:. Bottom row, RShift, Enter and Backspace are all AEKII backplate. The other keys are positioned with the backplate from an M0116. Modifiers are ALPS White switches, the rest are ALPS Salmon, Enter is a Matias Quiet Click (because why not).

can someone link me to a guide on flashing tmk? I have no idea what to do, I can customise the layout fine but I don't know how to flash my own layout to accommodate for the locking caps switch  :eek:.


I saw this in the TMK documentation, maybe you should try this? I don't currently have a locking switch in my Alps64 so I can't really test:

     

Mechanical Locking support

This feature makes it possible for you to use mechanical locking switch for CapsLock, NumLock or ScrollLock. To enable this feature define these macros in config.h and use KC_LCAP, KC_LNUM or KC_LSCR in keymap for locking key instead of normal KC_CAPS, KC_NLCK or KC_SLCK. Resync option tries to keep switch state consistent with keyboard LED state.

#define LOCKING_SUPPORT_ENABLE
#define LOCKING_RESYNC_ENABLE

Thanks for digging that up. I need something much more primitive, so I'm going to go away and read as this is TMK firmware documentation it must be heavily documented instead of acting as if I'm the first one to try to flash some TMK firmware like it's never been done before  :))

I'm referring to the parts where you get the PCB into flashing mode so that you can push the modded firmware to it - just as I was able to do this weekend with the Atreus for the first time but that was well outlined even for people like me who are not so used to doing this stuff.

Also I just realized one of the switches doesn't register unless I press it from the front of the keycap. Looks like I will have to swap that one out for another  :mad:

I don't know what OS you use, but I'm on Windows (Using Ubuntu Linux Subsystems for Windows), so I built the firmware using the make command in Bash and flashed the board using Atmel Flip. There should be a little button on the underside of the PCB which you can use to trigger the bootloader mode (I think, that's what I used)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: RealLaugh on Mon, 05 December 2016, 15:47:46
Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks hasu! I finally completed my build, looks and works great! I chopped an AEK II for this one and used its caps and key switches.
(Attachment Link)

What case is that?

Looks to be this case from AliExpress (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Clear-Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Compatible-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32559075729.html). I have one and it looks nice with the blue PCB of the older revisions.

Copied XMIT with the case choice and position of the rainbow badge  :eek:. Bottom row, RShift, Enter and Backspace are all AEKII backplate. The other keys are positioned with the backplate from an M0116. Modifiers are ALPS White switches, the rest are ALPS Salmon, Enter is a Matias Quiet Click (because why not).

can someone link me to a guide on flashing tmk? I have no idea what to do, I can customise the layout fine but I don't know how to flash my own layout to accommodate for the locking caps switch  :eek:.


I saw this in the TMK documentation, maybe you should try this? I don't currently have a locking switch in my Alps64 so I can't really test:

     

Mechanical Locking support

This feature makes it possible for you to use mechanical locking switch for CapsLock, NumLock or ScrollLock. To enable this feature define these macros in config.h and use KC_LCAP, KC_LNUM or KC_LSCR in keymap for locking key instead of normal KC_CAPS, KC_NLCK or KC_SLCK. Resync option tries to keep switch state consistent with keyboard LED state.

#define LOCKING_SUPPORT_ENABLE
#define LOCKING_RESYNC_ENABLE

Thanks for digging that up. I need something much more primitive, so I'm going to go away and read as this is TMK firmware documentation it must be heavily documented instead of acting as if I'm the first one to try to flash some TMK firmware like it's never been done before  :))

I'm referring to the parts where you get the PCB into flashing mode so that you can push the modded firmware to it - just as I was able to do this weekend with the Atreus for the first time but that was well outlined even for people like me who are not so used to doing this stuff.

Also I just realized one of the switches doesn't register unless I press it from the front of the keycap. Looks like I will have to swap that one out for another  :mad:

I don't know what OS you use, but I'm on Windows (Using Ubuntu Linux Subsystems for Windows), so I built the firmware using the make command in Bash and flashed the board using Atmel Flip. There should be a little button on the underside of the PCB which you can use to trigger the bootloader mode (I think, that's what I used)

hey, thanks, you're totally right I just finished flashing a new version that accommodated the locking caps and also a key to momentarily switch to Layer 1 which is pretty cool.

I managed to build the firmware but I used Hasu's commands from the first post using dfu-programmer instead of Flip.

These links were very useful

https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard -- get the files for the firmware here
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/doc/build.md -- use this to build the firmware (you will need to build the unimap, I don't know what the others are for)
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/unimap/?alps64 -- use this to upload and modify your hex file after the previous step
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0 -- Look for the part under the spoilers where Hasu explains the process of flashing

The only thing that I had to do that I couldn't follow to the letter was the erase command in dfu where I had to use sudo dfu-programmer atmega32u2 erase instead of sudo dfu-programmer atmega32u2 erase --force as that just didn't work. The rest I must admit was very easy and I have benefitted from probably hundred of hours of work and documentation to get this customized layout flashed in around 5 minutes for which I am very grateful.

Thank you duynguyenle, Hasu, and everyone else in this thread and TMK  :thumb:


Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kekstee on Tue, 06 December 2016, 15:11:44
I consider getting an AEK II to cut down into a 60%, sad to hear this thing just sold out :D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: RealLaugh on Tue, 06 December 2016, 16:21:01
I consider getting an AEK II to cut down into a 60%, sad to hear this thing just sold out :D
There's a dude in Germany who has one for sale right now https://www.ebay.de/itm/291961519521

He originally had it up at over 70€ and the relisted it at the above price.



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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: iwantatrophy on Wed, 14 December 2016, 09:46:37
Can you use any plate with these, for example the carbon fiber one from LeandreN? Also, the only parts required to build one are
1) Switches
2)PCB
3)Plate
4)Case
5)Keycaps

Is there something I am missing? I am kinda new at mech keys, so I am sorry for asking so many questions.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 14 December 2016, 11:08:48
Can you use any plate with these, for example the carbon fiber one from LeandreN? Also, the only parts required to build one are
1) Switches
2)PCB
3)Plate
4)Case
5)Keycaps

Is there something I am missing? I am kinda new at mech keys, so I am sorry for asking so many questions.

Leandre plate will work with Alps switches, but you WILL NOT be able to use Alps stabs. Are you sure you are after and Alps board and not MX? As far as I'm aware, Leandre plates are most commonly used for MX builds.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: iwantatrophy on Wed, 14 December 2016, 11:38:16
Can you use any plate with these, for example the carbon fiber one from LeandreN? Also, the only parts required to build one are
1) Switches
2)PCB
3)Plate
4)Case
5)Keycaps

Is there something I am missing? I am kinda new at mech keys, so I am sorry for asking so many questions.

Leandre plate will work with Alps switches, but you WILL NOT be able to use Alps stabs. Are you sure you are after and Alps board and not MX? As far as I'm aware, Leandre plates are most commonly used for MX builds.

Yup, I am after Alps board. Are there any other plates which I can buy directly in market?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 14 December 2016, 13:47:13
Can you use any plate with these, for example the carbon fiber one from LeandreN? Also, the only parts required to build one are
1) Switches
2)PCB
3)Plate
4)Case
5)Keycaps

Is there something I am missing? I am kinda new at mech keys, so I am sorry for asking so many questions.

Leandre plate will work with Alps switches, but you WILL NOT be able to use Alps stabs. Are you sure you are after and Alps board and not MX? As far as I'm aware, Leandre plates are most commonly used for MX builds.

Yup, I am after Alps board. Are there any other plates which I can buy directly in market?

No. If you want to be able to use Alps stabiliser, either cannibalise old Alps board and cut down their plates or generate a CAD drawing using Swills tool and have it custom made by a sheet metal fab.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: pabile on Wed, 21 December 2016, 23:13:21
Yup, I am after Alps board. Are there any other plates which I can buy directly in market?

You can use these designs for custom plates: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0)

[update]

Anyone have an extra or one they want to part with, hit me up!

have you tried contacting hasu directly?
Title: Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
Post by: RealLaugh on Mon, 26 December 2016, 08:21:22
Confirmed bottom row and right shift part of Infinity layout.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/twwaQCYh.jpg)


Hi Hasu

How big is the Infinity space bar? The number is missing from the #1 post. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 26 December 2016, 08:26:00
Hey,

(http://i.imgur.com/8gxGykC.png)

(1.5 + 1.0 + 1.5) + space + (1.5 + 1 + 1 + 1.5) = 15.0
space = 15.0 - 4.0 - 5.0 = 6.0

EDIT: It seems to be called as "Hacker" layout, to be exact. Inifinity 60% supports two layouts and another is "Standard" which has 6.25 space bar.
https://input.club/devices/infinity-keyboard/
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: ctm on Mon, 26 December 2016, 14:26:43
I think I broke my PCB :( While attempting to desolder and replace the switch under ESC (top left corner), I lifted the trace of the right hole. Now ESC still works, but 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, [ do not work. Is there a way to save my PCB? Thanks a ton!

Update: I panicked when I thought I might have killed my beloved Alps64. After calming down, I realized a trace is effectively a wire, so I soldered a piece of wire between the hole with broken hole and another hole on the same trace. Now it works. So glad my Alps64 comes back to life. :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: RealLaugh on Mon, 26 December 2016, 17:31:11
I think I broke my PCB :( While attempting to desolder and replace the switch under ESC (top left corner), I lifted the trace of the right hole. Now ESC still works, but 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, [ do not work. Is there a way to save my PCB? Thanks a ton!

Update: I panicked when I thought I might have killed my beloved Alps64. After calming down, I realized a trace is effectively a wire, so I soldered a piece of wire between the hole with broken hole and another hole on the same trace. Now it works. So glad my Alps64 comes back to life. :)

Wow close call. I'm always worried that would happen to me! Glad you saved it.

Hey,

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8gxGykC.png)


(1.5 + 1.0 + 1.5) + space + (1.5 + 1 + 1 + 1.5) = 15.0
space = 15.0 - 4.0 - 5.0 = 6.0

EDIT: It seems to be called as "Hacker" layout, to be exact. Inifinity 60% supports two layouts and another is "Standard" which has 6.25 space bar.
https://input.club/devices/infinity-keyboard/

Thanks for the info, I just wanted to double check since I'm creating a custom backplate with Swill's builder and having some trouble with the 6u space bar but it's all good now  :thumb:.

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tinyprawn on Fri, 30 December 2016, 00:18:17
K20, far bottom left key, does not seem to register key presses.  I have gotten as far as soldering all of the Diodes. I did it incrementally and resolved problems as I went.  This is literally the last diode I soldered and shorting that key does not show anything on Aquas KeyTest. 

I had a similar issue with the Satan GH60 and to fix it, I just loaded a key map that I knew and that fixed it. I didn't want to change the programming until I posted here to see if anyone else had the same thing happen. 
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 30 December 2016, 04:27:03
Right botom K20 is assigned to L1(layer change) in default keymap, it doesn't register anything by itself.
You can see how default keymap is defined here. hmm, this may be confusing for testing purpose, probably I should change default keymap so that every key register something?
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/unimap/?alps64
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/alps64/unimap_plain.c
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tinyprawn on Fri, 30 December 2016, 12:35:16
Right botom K20 is assigned to L1(layer change) in default keymap, it doesn't register anything by itself.
You can see how default keymap is defined here. hmm, this may be confusing for testing purpose, probably I should change default keymap so that every key register something?
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/unimap/?alps64
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/alps64/unimap_plain.c

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.... ck...

I removed the diode before you replied. It was probably fine, but now the solder filled in the hole so now I need to use advanced soldering techniques to get the diode back in.

Poops!


Thanks for the reply though. At lease I'll be able to test it by shorting it and 1 at the same time to get F1... right?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 30 December 2016, 18:28:00
yes, L1 + 1 spits out F1.

If you don't have desolderng braid nor pump, puffing breath or banging PCB on desk during heating with iron may help, I don't recommend though. I hope you can work out it.

I'll update assembly instruction or default firmware, thanks for the feedback!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tinyprawn on Fri, 30 December 2016, 23:14:05
yes, L1 + 1 spits out F1.

If you don't have desolderng braid nor pump, puffing breath or banging PCB on desk during heating with iron may help, I don't recommend though. I hope you can work out it.

I'll update assembly instruction or default firmware, thanks for the feedback!

I just ended up clipping the leg and doing it like a surface mount. I didn't want to melt the thing so much that it damaged the PCB.

It's perfect now and I'm happily clacking away with my Salmon Alps 60%!  You're the man, Hasu!

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 31 December 2016, 21:55:05
Had this PCB for a while, but I just built it up today. Workes perfectly, just need to flash a HHKB layout onto it!

(http://i.imgur.com/jj9VhU7.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tinyprawn on Tue, 03 January 2017, 10:21:02
This question is for anyone who built one of these with the super cheap 60% plastic case from aliexpress...

When I type, I hear a metallic pinging sound on every key. Stabilized or not. It doesn't do it in the switches, when I have the case off, I don't hear it.

I tried to record it on my phone but the ping sound apparently goes only upward toward my face and not sideways. I will have to try to tape my phone to my head and try again...

Just wanted to see if any of you had this trouble and were able to dampen/reduce/fix it short of buying a nicer case.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 03 January 2017, 21:25:50
I haven't experienced this with that exact case, however I did experience it with my Royal Glam wood case. I was able to largely eliminate the ping by cutting up some old mouse pads and putting them between the PCB and case. Mostly eliminated the ping.


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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tinyprawn on Tue, 03 January 2017, 22:52:34
I was able to largely eliminate the ping by cutting up some old mouse pads and putting them between the PCB and case. Mostly eliminated the ping.

Oddly enough I was looking around for a nice nonconductice squishy material to do just that. It seems like it should help but I'm not sure why. I'll try old mousepads and see.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: NadavCE on Fri, 06 January 2017, 11:53:03
Hey Hasu, sorry to bother you. Will there be another run of this PCB?
Title: [8th run 2017/Jan] [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 06 January 2017, 19:48:58
Yes! 8th round just opened now.

See first post of this thread.

Thanks
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 13 January 2017, 16:05:33
@Hasu: Could you please post a link to instructions (preferably with pics and/or video) on how to orient and solder the diodes and switches? Thanks!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 13 January 2017, 16:18:06
Hi,
you can find assembly instruction in first post. Thick line of diode marking on PCB indicates cathode side basically.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: dante on Fri, 13 January 2017, 16:37:02
I'm assuming this will work with KBP 60% plates yes?

Has anyone reached out to KBP to try and buy plates?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 13 January 2017, 16:47:34
I'm assuming this will work with KBP 60% plates yes?

Has anyone reached out to KBP to try and buy plates?

I don't have the keyboard but I think so. You can use its plate without problem but you need file its case a a bit to install. Check "Supported cases" in first post.

Note that with current revison it is still compatible with KBP plate but I have plan to remove KBP support in future revision.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 13 January 2017, 17:08:41
@Hasu: Why do you plan to remove support for KBP plates (and cases?)?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 13 January 2017, 17:33:29
@Hasu: Why do you plan to remove support for KBP plates (and cases?)?

It could make placing diode foot print proper and lessen chance of interference with fins/beams in some case.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 13 January 2017, 17:44:04
Hi Hasu,

Perhaps I'm dream-talking, here is an idea to make the Alps64 greater even to different degree among all the PCBs that support Alps switches:

Many users have many switches they want to try out, but may not want to own too many keyboards.
Member E3E mentioned the hotswappable Holtites size that fits the Alps pin in his build log (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77497.msg1952047#msg1952047) acquisition section. By making the PCB pin hole sizes compatible with the correct receptacles, and providing also the Holtites receptacles for the switches in the kit, the Alps64 kit can become a hotswappable PCB kit for Alps switches.
(According to the build log of E3E and the specs (http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8134-HC-12P2/8134-HC-12P2-ND/2188089) provided by Holtites, the mounting pin hole for these receptacles should be around ~2.08mm in diameter.)

"Hotswappable Alps64 kit" is just an extra idea on top of this constantly refined PCB for Alps.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 13 January 2017, 20:30:17
Intresting idea. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: pabile on Fri, 13 January 2017, 21:46:29
Hi Hasu,

Perhaps I'm dream-talking, here is an idea to make the Alps64 greater even to different degree among all the PCBs that support Alps switches:

Many users have many switches they want to try out, but may not want to own too many keyboards.
E3E mentioned the hotswappable Holtites size that fits the Alps pin in his build log (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77497.msg2068785#msg2068785) acquisition section. By making the PCB pin hole sizes compatible with the correct receptacles, and providing also the Holtites receptacles for the switches in the kit, the Alps64 kit can become a hotswappable PCB kit for Alps switches.

"Hotswappable Alps64 kit" is just an extra idea on top of this constantly refined PCB for Alps.
could you make this happen pretty please, hasu.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Ail on Fri, 13 January 2017, 22:16:02
Had this PCB for a while, but I just built it up today. Workes perfectly, just need to flash a HHKB layout onto it!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jj9VhU7.jpg)


That's awesome, what plate and case?

So excited to finally get my hands on one of these. I have too many ALPS switches and keysets going to waste.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 13 January 2017, 23:36:02
Had this PCB for a while, but I just built it up today. Workes perfectly, just need to flash a HHKB layout onto it!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jj9VhU7.jpg)


That's awesome, what plate and case?

So excited to finally get my hands on one of these. I have too many ALPS switches and keysets going to waste.

BlueNalgene HHKB powdercoat plate (Als Party GB) and a TEX 'fat lip' case  :thumb:
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 14 January 2017, 09:54:45
Where did you get the blue caps?

Did you need to do anything fancy with the diodes to get the TEX fat lip case to work?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 14 January 2017, 10:01:05
Where did you get the blue caps?
...

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: dante on Sat, 14 January 2017, 10:14:29
Hi Hasu,

Perhaps I'm dream-talking, here is an idea to make the Alps64 greater even to different degree among all the PCBs that support Alps switches:

Many users have many switches they want to try out, but may not want to own too many keyboards.
E3E mentioned the hotswappable Holtites size that fits the Alps pin in his build log (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77497.msg2068785#msg2068785) acquisition section. By making the PCB pin hole sizes compatible with the correct receptacles, and providing also the Holtites receptacles for the switches in the kit, the Alps64 kit can become a hotswappable PCB kit for Alps switches.

"Hotswappable Alps64 kit" is just an extra idea on top of this constantly refined PCB for Alps.

I also like the idea of Hotswappable Alps64!  I recently took a siesta from mechanical keyboards and went back to rubberdomes because I got tired of the chattering nonsense.  Now that hotswap is coming to MX I'm returning to empty my wallet again.  So yes, something like this would make me pull out the plastic.

Speaking of PCB changes and dreams:

Hasu, do you want to help save planet earth?  Do you want to make sure people have clean drinking water without keyboards in their rivers?  How about adding SMK Monterey support?  I know you've said no before but maybe you've changed your mind since?  Think about all those Monterey Blues and Whites polluting people's drinking water and how you can create a demand for them so that the keyboards are properly recycled.

Think about the children!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 14 January 2017, 13:47:11
A tiny bit off topic, but this is the best active thread for Alps I could find..

I'm putting my alpine winter caps on the board I originally built a year ago, and these stabilizers are SO HORRIBLE!! Is there any way I could get a set of the stabs that came with the Apple AEK2 or something instead? I have those on my other Alps64 (with the keys from the same keyboard) and they're just so much better to work with!
Are Matias really the only choice...?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: spuxx on Sun, 15 January 2017, 06:32:14
I also have a small question regarding the Alpine Winter set: I ordered a Alps64 PCB and will be using the Alpine Winter set on it, now my question is, whether to use plate mount cherry stabs or costar stabs. I'll order my plate from Lasergist directly. I'd rather use cherry stabs, but I fear there might be problems with the tolerances between switch and stabs and also stab undersides and PCB.

Has anyone used the Alps64 PCB with a plate featuring cherry plate mount stabs? Have there been any problems with fitting?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: ragsmaroon on Mon, 16 January 2017, 13:41:29
I sent an email in for an invoice 2 days ago and I haven't gotten an invoice for paypal. Is this group buy still going on?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 16 January 2017, 18:34:44
GB Update

All pcbs from 1st batch were gone and are being soldered and tested as planned, they will be shipped in this week hoepfully.
Now I'm setting up for 2nd batch, mid of Feb will be shipping date for them unless it suffers from China's Spring Fes.


I sent an email in for an invoice 2 days ago and I haven't gotten an invoice for paypal. Is this group buy still going on?

I'll send invoice for 2nd batch pcbs soon later.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 17 January 2017, 08:35:28
anyone know if hasu's PCB would work with sentraq's universal plate on an AEK 2 style layout?

https://sentraq.com/collections/parts-1/products/60-aluminum-plate-1

thanks~!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: spuxx on Tue, 17 January 2017, 14:16:24
anyone know if hasu's PCB would work with sentraq's universal plate on an AEK 2 style layout?

https://sentraq.com/collections/parts-1/products/60-aluminum-plate-1

thanks~!

I guess the stabilizers might be a problem: Since hasu's PCB does not support PCB-mount Cherry stabilizers, you can only use plate mount stabilizers. This will be a problem, especially for the enter stabilizers, since the second stabilizer on the right of the enter switch won't be able to clip into the plate on the top because of the cutout for ISO compatibility.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: schoolbus on Wed, 18 January 2017, 17:22:31
anyone know if hasu's PCB would work with sentraq's universal plate on an AEK 2 style layout?

https://sentraq.com/collections/parts-1/products/60-aluminum-plate-1

thanks~!

I guess the stabilizers might be a problem: Since hasu's PCB does not support PCB-mount Cherry stabilizers, you can only use plate mount stabilizers. This will be a problem, especially for the enter stabilizers, since the second stabilizer on the right of the enter switch won't be able to clip into the plate on the top because of the cutout for ISO compatibility.

yeah I realized it's pretty much not possible lol, appreciate it!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: smittysteve on Thu, 19 January 2017, 11:19:17
This is such a cool project- I had been wanting to do an Alps board for a while. Thanks to Hasu, I have one of these fine PCBs on its way to me and a beautiful set of Salmon Alps from an Apple board of my youth waiting to be harvested.

But now, unsure what to do about the plate. Does anyone have a suggestion for an off-the-shelf Alps-compatible 60% (or HHKB... am I totally dreaming?) plate that also allow plate-mount stabs? This seems quite a tall order, so I'm willing to go the Lasergist route, but have never done that before and have no idea about the process (getting the right plate schematic, etc...) for doing that right.

Hoping that as this is the 8th run of these plates, there are some ideas out there. Thanks very much for any help!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: lishi on Thu, 19 January 2017, 11:27:06
This is such a cool project- I had been wanting to do an Alps board for a while. Thanks to Hasu, I have one of these fine PCBs on its way to me and a beautiful set of Salmon Alps from an Apple board of my youth waiting to be harvested.

But now, unsure what to do about the plate. Does anyone have a suggestion for an off-the-shelf Alps-compatible 60% (or HHKB... am I totally dreaming?) plate that also allow plate-mount stabs? This seems quite a tall order, so I'm willing to go the Lasergist route, but have never done that before and have no idea about the process (getting the right plate schematic, etc...) for doing that right.

Hoping that as this is the 8th run of these plates, there are some ideas out there. Thanks very much for any help!


Ive actually been planning on getting a plate cut by lasergist or some other place for an hhkb layout alps board for use with the upcoming Revo HHKB case. There's some problems with the plate currently, there isn't the guiding bar for the spacebar and to actually use this layout you'll need to buy a M0116 to harvest the 1.75 keycap off of it, but I'm gonna try to get a plate cut out of acrylic or MDF or something and do a test fit first with stabs and switches


(http://i.imgur.com/TYGpQoz.png)


edit: there's also this link for alps plates https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: smittysteve on Thu, 19 January 2017, 11:44:39
This is such a cool project- I had been wanting to do an Alps board for a while. Thanks to Hasu, I have one of these fine PCBs on its way to me and a beautiful set of Salmon Alps from an Apple board of my youth waiting to be harvested.

But now, unsure what to do about the plate. Does anyone have a suggestion for an off-the-shelf Alps-compatible 60% (or HHKB... am I totally dreaming?) plate that also allow plate-mount stabs? This seems quite a tall order, so I'm willing to go the Lasergist route, but have never done that before and have no idea about the process (getting the right plate schematic, etc...) for doing that right.

Hoping that as this is the 8th run of these plates, there are some ideas out there. Thanks very much for any help!


Ive actually been planning on getting a plate cut by lasergist or some other place for an hhkb layout alps board for use with the upcoming Revo HHKB case. There's some problems with the plate currently, there isn't the guiding bar for the spacebar and to actually use this layout you'll need to buy a M0116 to harvest the 1.75 keycap off of it, but I'm gonna try to get a plate cut out of acrylic or MDF or something and do a test fit first with stabs and switches


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TYGpQoz.png)



edit: there's also this link for alps plates https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

Thanks for the reply. My old Salmon Alps board is indeed an M0116, so I'm all set there. Now just need to sort out a plate. Happy to go in on a little mini-buy with others here. Not sure if it helps pricing any with Lasergist, but I'm out of my element with designing plates, so I'd appreciate the chance to piggyback with anyone else who may be interested in an HHKB Alps.  :thumb:

That Revo HHKB case looks gorgeous. I'm waiting on the Dr. D TKL board from Revo right now- would love to go in on the HHKB as well, we'll see about those buggery finances.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 19 January 2017, 12:13:56
This is such a cool project- I had been wanting to do an Alps board for a while. Thanks to Hasu, I have one of these fine PCBs on its way to me and a beautiful set of Salmon Alps from an Apple board of my youth waiting to be harvested.

But now, unsure what to do about the plate. Does anyone have a suggestion for an off-the-shelf Alps-compatible 60% (or HHKB... am I totally dreaming?) plate that also allow plate-mount stabs? This seems quite a tall order, so I'm willing to go the Lasergist route, but have never done that before and have no idea about the process (getting the right plate schematic, etc...) for doing that right.

Hoping that as this is the 8th run of these plates, there are some ideas out there. Thanks very much for any help!


Ive actually been planning on getting a plate cut by lasergist or some other place for an hhkb layout alps board for use with the upcoming Revo HHKB case. There's some problems with the plate currently, there isn't the guiding bar for the spacebar and to actually use this layout you'll need to buy a M0116 to harvest the 1.75 keycap off of it, but I'm gonna try to get a plate cut out of acrylic or MDF or something and do a test fit first with stabs and switches


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TYGpQoz.png)



edit: there's also this link for alps plates https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

Thanks for the reply. My old Salmon Alps board is indeed an M0116, so I'm all set there. Now just need to sort out a plate. Happy to go in on a little mini-buy with others here. Not sure if it helps pricing any with Lasergist, but I'm out of my element with designing plates, so I'd appreciate the chance to piggyback with anyone else who may be interested in an HHKB Alps.  :thumb:

That Revo HHKB case looks gorgeous. I'm waiting on the Dr. D TKL board from Revo right now- would love to go in on the HHKB as well, we'll see about those buggery finances.

Definitely interested if someone wants to run a buy for plates, otherwise Lasergist seems to be the best option.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 19 January 2017, 14:26:29
Definitely interested if someone wants to run a buy for plates, otherwise Lasergist seems to be the best option.

Honestly I don't think that will be worth anyone's while. Lasergist offers free worldwide shipping from Greece and their volume discount they me offered for 10+ plates was only about 10%. Once the GB runner reships everything it may be more expensive than everyone ordering individually. If anyone is interested in ordering from Lasergist, for the same price as 1.5mm they have a 1.2mm option which is closer to Alps spec than 1.0mm.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 19 January 2017, 14:43:43
Definitely interested if someone wants to run a buy for plates, otherwise Lasergist seems to be the best option.

Honestly I don't think that will be worth anyone's while. Lasergist offers free worldwide shipping from Greece and their volume discount they me offered for 10+ plates was only about 10%. Once the GB runner reships everything it may be more expensive than everyone ordering individually. If anyone is interested in ordering from Lasergist, for the same price as 1.5mm they have a 1.2mm option which is closer to Alps spec than 1.0mm.

Oh yeah, I don't disagree if Lasergist is the option, and it's probably what makes the most sense anyway. From looking at old runs it seems like some members have access/connections with equipment that could produce the plates cheaper if there's some volume.

Probably makes most sense to just do Laser though, sounds like it'd be a lot of effort/time to maybe save $10-20.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: smittysteve on Thu, 19 January 2017, 15:14:16
Definitely interested if someone wants to run a buy for plates, otherwise Lasergist seems to be the best option.

Honestly I don't think that will be worth anyone's while. Lasergist offers free worldwide shipping from Greece and their volume discount they me offered for 10+ plates was only about 10%. Once the GB runner reships everything it may be more expensive than everyone ordering individually. If anyone is interested in ordering from Lasergist, for the same price as 1.5mm they have a 1.2mm option which is closer to Alps spec than 1.0mm.

Oh yeah, I don't disagree if Lasergist is the option, and it's probably what makes the most sense anyway. From looking at old runs it seems like some members have access/connections with equipment that could produce the plates cheaper if there's some volume.

Probably makes most sense to just do Laser though, sounds like it'd be a lot of effort/time to maybe save $10-20.

Thanks- good information here too and I agree, not worth organizing a buy for the cost savings.

However, for the savings of pulling my hair out figuring out the plate layout, etc., is there an Alps HHKB plate file that anyone is willing to share that I could order from Lasergist?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Hypersphere on Thu, 19 January 2017, 16:26:33
I have a 60% board with the Alps64 PCB. A few of the Alps switches are exhibiting intermittent chatter, which has not been consistently helped by cleaning, canned air, or contact cleaner. Might it help to change the debounce setting? If so, exactly how is this done?

BTW, I used Atmel FLIP 3.4.7 in Windows 8.1 to install the hex file for my layout, and I used Hasu's online configurator to produce the hex file, so I did not need to use a make file to build anything. However, if changing the debounce setting involves using the command line, I have a Linux machine, and I would prefer doing it in Linux rather than dealing with CygWin, etc. in Windows.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: need on Thu, 19 January 2017, 16:36:59
I have a 60% board with the Alps64 PCB. A few of the Alps switches are exhibiting intermittent chatter, which has not been consistently helped by cleaning, canned air, or contact cleaner. Might it help to change the debounce setting? If so, exactly how is this done?

BTW, I used Atmel FLIP 3.4.7 in Windows 8.1 to install the hex file for my layout, and I used Hasu's online configurator to produce the hex file, so I did not need to use a make file to build anything. However, if changing the debounce setting involves using the command line, I have a Linux machine, and I would prefer doing it in Linux rather than dealing with CygWin, etc. in Windows.

Thanks.

Pretty sure it's not a debounce issue. I've had this problem before, and it's eliminated after a few attempts in adjusting the contact leafs. By bending it in order to enlarge or reduce the angle.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 19 January 2017, 18:58:01
I have a 60% board with the Alps64 PCB. A few of the Alps switches are exhibiting intermittent chatter, which has not been consistently helped by cleaning, canned air, or contact cleaner. Might it help to change the debounce setting? If so, exactly how is this done?

BTW, I used Atmel FLIP 3.4.7 in Windows 8.1 to install the hex file for my layout, and I used Hasu's online configurator to produce the hex file, so I did not need to use a make file to build anything. However, if changing the debounce setting involves using the command line, I have a Linux machine, and I would prefer doing it in Linux rather than dealing with CygWin, etc. in Windows.

Thanks.
You can configure denounce value in config.h and have to compile firmware with tool chain.
It is safe to set 10 or below, I think. But try various settings.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 19 January 2017, 19:06:52
need, good to know that. Interesting.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 20 January 2017, 08:02:57
GB Update

Batch.1: Part of PCBs were shipped today, rest will be posted on next week.

Batch.2: Taking orders. PCB are producing in China now, estimated shipping date is mid of Feb at this point.

Thank you
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: smittysteve on Fri, 20 January 2017, 11:07:47
This is such a cool project- I had been wanting to do an Alps board for a while. Thanks to Hasu, I have one of these fine PCBs on its way to me and a beautiful set of Salmon Alps from an Apple board of my youth waiting to be harvested.

But now, unsure what to do about the plate. Does anyone have a suggestion for an off-the-shelf Alps-compatible 60% (or HHKB... am I totally dreaming?) plate that also allow plate-mount stabs? This seems quite a tall order, so I'm willing to go the Lasergist route, but have never done that before and have no idea about the process (getting the right plate schematic, etc...) for doing that right.

Hoping that as this is the 8th run of these plates, there are some ideas out there. Thanks very much for any help!


Ive actually been planning on getting a plate cut by lasergist or some other place for an hhkb layout alps board for use with the upcoming Revo HHKB case. There's some problems with the plate currently, there isn't the guiding bar for the spacebar and to actually use this layout you'll need to buy a M0116 to harvest the 1.75 keycap off of it, but I'm gonna try to get a plate cut out of acrylic or MDF or something and do a test fit first with stabs and switches


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TYGpQoz.png)



edit: there's also this link for alps plates https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

Thanks very much for the link above. I ordered one from Lasergist last night. Very excited about this build!!  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 20 January 2017, 11:54:05
Hopefully Hasu doesnt mind but I got a spare plate for the pcb from Lasergist. It's Tsangan layout with split backspace.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: smittysteve on Fri, 20 January 2017, 12:20:46
Hi All- silly question, but I may have goofed.

I got so excited about the HHKB plate and the PCBs shipping that I ordered the Lasergist plate last night... only to notice in the OP this morning that HHKB isn't indicated as a supported layout by the PCB. Can anyone confirm whether the TMK Alps 64 PCB will or will not support the HHKB layout?  :-[

Thanks!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: axtran on Fri, 20 January 2017, 12:29:11
It does. It was an option during ALPS Party.


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Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: smittysteve on Fri, 20 January 2017, 12:31:04
It does. It was an option during ALPS Party.


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Phew! Thanks for the response.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 20 January 2017, 12:35:19
Hi All- silly question, but I may have goofed.

I got so excited about the HHKB plate and the PCBs shipping that I ordered the Lasergist plate last night... only to notice in the OP this morning that HHKB isn't indicated as a supported layout by the PCB. Can anyone confirm whether the TMK Alps 64 PCB will or will not support the HHKB layout?  :-[

Thanks!

It works. I have it on mine.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: cgbuen on Mon, 23 January 2017, 00:16:12
Hahahha, I finally just put together my AEKII layout build after a year of sitting on a bunch of these parts (and over 2 years for some parts even). Kept hitting little snags, particularly with stabilizers but whatever, I made it work tonight.. sadly though the spacebar and right shift don't really feel perfect.

Did this come shipped without an FN key for the AEKII layout? Can't seem to get Esc or arrow key access right off the bat.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 23 January 2017, 00:41:57
Iirc, earlier revision PCB were shipped with very plain keymap without FN key.

The latest revisions are shipped with keymap with FN on App aka menu key on right bottom.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

EDIT: ah, RGUI, not App key . It is next to right most on bottom row.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 23 January 2017, 03:29:46
GB Update

Shipped all of PCBs form Batch.1 today! You will receive an email with tracking number from Japan Post, the email is sometime filtered as a spam, check your junk mail foldter too. If you don't receive tracking number in three days let me know.
If your 'invoice ID' is lower than or equal  to 420 your PCB belongs to Batch.1, otherwise to Batch.2.

PCBs from Batch.2 are still available and will be shipped until mid of Feb hopefully.

Thank you
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: eddible on Mon, 23 January 2017, 03:38:14
Got mine, thanks for such a quick turn around! What's the estimated ship time to the UK?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 23 January 2017, 06:13:17
joined the GB to use my ALPS salvaged from datadesk MAC-101E.
Now thinking about getting keycaps for this build, actually...
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tinyprawn on Mon, 23 January 2017, 13:02:00
I was able to largely eliminate the ping by cutting up some old mouse pads and putting them between the PCB and case. Mostly eliminated the ping.

Oddly enough I was looking around for a nice nonconductice squishy material to do just that. It seems like it should help but I'm not sure why. I'll try old mousepads and see.

Just to close the loop on this... I switched the PCB and Plate into an aluminum case and the ping is entirely gone. Have no idea why plastic vs aluminum case would matter this much, but I'm a happy camper now.

Sadly, I now have to buy more aluminum cases for my upcoming builds because I am out of them now.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: 2ZQ on Mon, 23 January 2017, 23:59:22
Just got my tracking. On delivery right now! I can finish the build tonight after work! Thanks Hasu!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: cgbuen on Tue, 24 January 2017, 08:34:44
Iirc, earlier revision PCB were shipped with very plain keymap without FN key.

The latest revisions are shipped with keymap with FN on App aka menu key on right bottom.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

EDIT: ah, RGUI, not App key . It is next to right most on bottom row.

Makes sense since I've sat on it for so long. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 26 January 2017, 12:25:27
Received mine in the UK yesterday, many thanks.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 26 January 2017, 14:05:46
Unfortunately I think my pcb may be doa. First thing I did was test it and I'm getting nothing =[. LED didn't illuminate and there was no reaction from windows upon plugging it in. I tried shorting a pad in notepad, which also resulted in nothing. Any advice? thanks
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 26 January 2017, 17:14:53
Unfortunately I think my pcb may be doa. First thing I did was test it and I'm getting nothing =[. LED didn't illuminate and there was no reaction from windows upon plugging it in. I tried shorting a pad in notepad, which also resulted in nothing. Any advice? thanks

Yeah, the LED should blink at pluging in, something goes wrong. I'd know which it is PCB hardware fault or firmware problem.
I guess I removed firmware accidentally during testing process and shipped your PCB without firmware. This can be happen in good chance.

What if you press button on the PCB while pluging in? Pressing the button starts bootloader and the PCB goes into  programming mode to flash firmware.
Open "Device Manager" and see if something will happen, it usually makes ding sound and redraws its device tree view to update info when new device is detected.

You will see bootloader device "ATmega32U2 DFU" when you don't have driver installed or "ATmega32U2" when you have proper driver. See pics in link below. And install driver to flash firmware if needed, see instruction in the link.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki/Driver-install-on-Windows#device-name

Can you find the deivce on Device Manager?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 26 January 2017, 17:38:05
Unfortunately I think my pcb may be doa. First thing I did was test it and I'm getting nothing =[. LED didn't illuminate and there was no reaction from windows upon plugging it in. I tried shorting a pad in notepad, which also resulted in nothing. Any advice? thanks

Yeah, the LED should blink at pluging in, something goes wrong. I'd know which it is PCB hardware fault or firmware problem.
I guess I removed firmware accidentally during testing process and shipped your PCB without firmware. This can be happen in good chance.

What if you press button on the PCB while pluging in? Pressing the button starts bootloader and the PCB goes into  programming mode to flash firmware.
Open "Device Manager" and see if something will happen, it usually makes ding sound and redraws its device tree view to update info when new device is detected.

You will see bootloader device "ATmega32U2 DFU" when you don't have driver installed or "ATmega32U2" when you have proper driver. See pics in link below. And install driver to flash firmware if needed, see instruction in the link.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki/Driver-install-on-Windows#device-name

Can you find the deivce on Device Manager?


Thanks for the quick response. Unfortunately nothing happens in device manager when I plug it in with or without the button pressed. No sound or anything appearing in the device tree.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 26 January 2017, 17:44:20
Unfortunately I think my pcb may be doa. First thing I did was test it and I'm getting nothing =[. LED didn't illuminate and there was no reaction from windows upon plugging it in. I tried shorting a pad in notepad, which also resulted in nothing. Any advice? thanks

Yeah, the LED should blink at pluging in, something goes wrong. I'd know which it is PCB hardware fault or firmware problem.
I guess I removed firmware accidentally during testing process and shipped your PCB without firmware. This can be happen in good chance.

What if you press button on the PCB while pluging in? Pressing the button starts bootloader and the PCB goes into  programming mode to flash firmware.
Open "Device Manager" and see if something will happen, it usually makes ding sound and redraws its device tree view to update info when new device is detected.

You will see bootloader device "ATmega32U2 DFU" when you don't have driver installed or "ATmega32U2" when you have proper driver. See pics in link below. And install driver to flash firmware if needed, see instruction in the link.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki/Driver-install-on-Windows#device-name

Can you find the deivce on Device Manager?


Thanks for the quick response. Unfortunately nothing happens in device manager when I plug it in with or without the button pressed. No sound or anything appearing in the device tree.

Thanks for your time. Email me anyway.
Could you try the PCB with another USB cable, USB ports or computer lastly If you didn't yet?
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 26 January 2017, 17:49:03
Yeh, I had already tried a different port and cable, just tried another pc now and unfortunately the same result. Sure I'll shoot you an e-mail now, thanks.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Ail on Sat, 28 January 2017, 14:40:52
Got my PCB today, thanks Hasu! So excited, now I just have to figure out what layout, plate and case I want to use.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: apprentice57 on Mon, 30 January 2017, 02:13:44
Just bought a M0115 on ebay, trying to decide whether I wanna go the 60% route, or just get an iMate and call it a day.

Is it really do-able to cut the plate to size? Seems like it would take a while, and I'd have to get a good saw just for the purpose. Also, wouldn't you need to a drill to make screw holes? I'd have to get one of those too.

If so, getting a plate cut by lasergist is probably the cheaper option (plus it leave the opportunity to put some Matias switches into the apple board should I so choose). But when I grab the files hasu listed for lasergist's form, it requires the height, width, and path length (all in mm). How would I go about getting those numbers? Someone online mentioned solidworks, but that software is pretty expensive.

Plus, lasergist wants a .pdf, .ai, or .dwg file so the .dxf I'm getting from hasu isn't gonna cut it. I don't have the CAD knowledge to really know the difference.

EDIT:
Didn't think to check the other thread, which answered my question about the path length. In case someone googles the issue, here is the solution:
Anyone know how to calculate the total path length for a dxf (or dwg) file? I have freecad (but not autocad), and can download anything else that's free.

I'm trying to get an AEK plate made by lasergist, but I need to know the path length (and they don't seem to be responding to the contact form).

You can get the length with QCAD or LibreCAD.
1) Select all of the paths with Menu: Select > Select All
2) Go to Menu: Info > Total length of ...
http://www.qcad.org/doc/qcad/3.15.4/reference/en/scripts/Pro/Information/InfoTotalLength/doc/InfoTotalLength_en.html

Measured alps64_aek_plate.dxf with LibreCAD:
Quote
Total Length of selected entities: 4422.0681

Still curious about thoughts on cutting the plate and the relevant tools
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: happylacquer on Mon, 30 January 2017, 05:07:16
Emailing! Oh boy
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: smittysteve on Mon, 30 January 2017, 05:12:37
Just bought a M0115 on ebay, trying to decide whether I wanna go the 60% route, or just get an iMate and call it a day.

Is it really do-able to cut the plate to size? Seems like it would take a while, and I'd have to get a good saw just for the purpose. Also, wouldn't you need to a drill to make screw holes? I'd have to get one of those too.

If so, getting a plate cut by lasergist is probably the cheaper option (plus it leave the opportunity to put some Matias switches into the apple board should I so choose). But when I grab the files hasu listed for lasergist's form, it requires the height, width, and path length (all in mm). How would I go about getting those numbers? Someone online mentioned solidworks, but that software is pretty expensive.

Plus, lasergist wants a .pdf, .ai, or .dwg file so the .dxf I'm getting from hasu isn't gonna cut it. I don't have the CAD knowledge to really know the difference.

EDIT:
Didn't think to check the other thread, which answered my question about the path length. In case someone googles the issue, here is the solution:
Anyone know how to calculate the total path length for a dxf (or dwg) file? I have freecad (but not autocad), and can download anything else that's free.

I'm trying to get an AEK plate made by lasergist, but I need to know the path length (and they don't seem to be responding to the contact form).

You can get the length with QCAD or LibreCAD.
1) Select all of the paths with Menu: Select > Select All
2) Go to Menu: Info > Total length of ...
http://www.qcad.org/doc/qcad/3.15.4/reference/en/scripts/Pro/Information/InfoTotalLength/doc/InfoTotalLength_en.html

Measured alps64_aek_plate.dxf with LibreCAD:
Quote
Total Length of selected entities: 4422.0681

Still curious about thoughts on cutting the plate and the relevant tools

Also, just as an FYI to all… Lasergist will just calculate the path length for you, once you have uploaded the template file. I just ordered a plate through them and had a very smooth experience, one day turnaround on design... Shipped in about three days. Really looking forward to this build… Will post glamour shots when complete.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: happylacquer on Mon, 30 January 2017, 05:46:13
What cases is everyone using for this? going for AEK layout myself
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 30 January 2017, 05:58:20
apprentice57,
I don't recommend to cut plate with hand saw unless you have plenty time to kill :D But it is certainly do-able if you are very patient and don't care appearance of choped plate. And yea you have to make holes and cutouts of sides to access screws. Chopped plate works well for me at least. See my mod log and imgur album in first post of this thread. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69666.0

If M0115 still keeps good shape and you don't dislike its size iMate is reasonable option. TMK ADB converter is viable optiton too, of course!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: eddible on Mon, 30 January 2017, 06:39:10
Received my PCB today, works great. Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: apprentice57 on Mon, 30 January 2017, 14:14:19
apprentice57,
I don't recommend to cut plate with hand saw unless you have plenty time to kill :D But it is certainly do-able if you are very patient and don't care appearance of choped plate. And yea you have to make holes and cutouts of sides to access screws. Chopped plate works well for me at least. See my mod log and imgur album in first post of this thread. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69666.0

If M0115 still keeps good shape and you don't dislike its size iMate is reasonable option. TMK ADB converter is viable optiton too, of course!

Yeah, good point. I think I'm trashing the hand saw idea. If I go that route I'd probably get a dremel. Could I just make do with a dremel and powered hand drill you think?

iMate is looking more ideal now, I didn't realize the prices had gone down to ~$30 on ebay. They used to be higher.

I actually discovered an Apple II GS keyboard (Salmon ALPS) in my Grandma's cellar. She said she missed typing on it, so I took it home and gave it a clean, retrobright treatment and then bought an iMate. It was like $70 back then though :/. It's her daily driver now I'm happy to report.
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: keruibo on Mon, 30 January 2017, 15:15:22
apprentice57,
I don't recommend to cut plate with hand saw unless you have plenty time to kill :D But it is certainly do-able if you are very patient and don't care appearance of choped plate. And yea you have to make holes and cutouts of sides to access screws. Chopped plate works well for me at least. See my mod log and imgur album in first post of this thread. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69666.0

If M0115 still keeps good shape and you don't dislike its size iMate is reasonable option. TMK ADB converter is viable optiton too, of course!

Yeah, good point. I think I'm trashing the hand saw idea. If I go that route I'd probably get a dremel. Could I just make do with a dremel and powered hand drill you think?

iMate is looking more ideal now, I didn't realize the prices had gone down to ~$30 on ebay. They used to be higher.

I actually discovered an Apple II GS keyboard (Salmon ALPS) in my Grandma's cellar. She said she missed typing on it, so I took it home and gave it a clean, retrobright treatment and then bought an iMate. It was like $70 back then though :/. It's her daily driver now I'm happy to report.

Hi apprentice57,

I'm in the same dilemma as you -- the M0115 is great board!  A 60% version would also be great! 

While waiting for the 60% Alps64 PCB, I restored the m0115 I bought as the donor: Retrobright, superlubed the coil springs (to eliminate the orange switch's ping), replaced the caps lock with a standard orange switch & jumpered that key on the board to change it to a control key. Using iMate, which works beautifully.  So now I have a great board that I just can't bear to use as a donor anymore ;->

So while I'm keeping the m0115 I'll still will be doing a 60% Alps64 board -- using an m3501 donor that had a crap case not worth restoring anyway....

For cutting the plate, I'll be using a 4" angle grinder with a cutting wheel, c-clamps to hold the plate on the bench.  Should make quick work of a thin metal plate...

Best of luck on your project!


--RK
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sun, 05 February 2017, 17:08:13
GB Update
Closed 8th Run Batch.2 now and its shipping will be happened in this week.

No more batch is planned in 8th Run. But some leftovers from Batch.2 are available later.

Thank you!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Wed, 08 February 2017, 06:24:35
So keen on a leftover. I'll PM you, hasu!
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: AuDiTH on Wed, 08 February 2017, 13:15:20
Interested in one of the leftovers as well  :D
Title: Re: [8th Run 2017/Jan][GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Thu, 09 February 2017, 20:09:18
GB Update

Shipped all orders of 8th Run out yesterday, participants will receive tracking number email from Japan Post in a few days from now. If not email me, I'll look into.

I'll post about leftovers here some later.

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: odd on Fri, 10 February 2017, 21:20:25
Just build mine up. Is there any way to add a caps lock or any type of indicator led? I ask because I see support for it in tmk just don't see anywhere on the PCB where you can add one.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 10 February 2017, 23:12:30
Just build mine up. Is there any way to add a caps lock or any type of indicator led? I ask because I see support for it in tmk just don't see anywhere on the PCB where you can add one.

No LED support. You have to hack PCB if you want to use any LED.
LED on bottom side(PC5) is used for capslock indicator by default, you can replace it with your favorite LED. Or PC4, 6 and 7 pins are not used and you can use them for your idicators. BTW, what kind of switch and keycap are you going to use for indicator?

Using mechanical lock switch for capslock key is easy way if you don't have to use LED necessarily. you can use keycode 'Locking Caps Lock'(LCAP) for it.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: happylacquer on Sat, 11 February 2017, 15:04:41
NM i got one but still  :-X at that blue grey board
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: CursorTN on Tue, 14 February 2017, 13:28:58
I can't wait for my Alps64 to arrive!

With newly made Alps keysets (Alpine Winter and the forthcoming Light Cycle GB), I wonder if it might be possible to add compatibility for Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers on an upcoming round? 

I was thankfully able to source Alps stabilizers and an Alps-compatible stabilizer plate, but the stabilizer issue is one that may prevent me from diving into Alps projects after this one is done.  Without the support of the giving and thoughtful Seattle keyboard community, I would have been sunk!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 14 February 2017, 14:08:09
I can't wait for my Alps64 to arrive!

With newly made Alps keysets (Alpine Winter and the forthcoming Light Cycle GB), I wonder if it might be possible to add compatibility for Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers on an upcoming round? 

I was thankfully able to source Alps stabilizers and an Alps-compatible stabilizer plate, but the stabilizer issue is one that may prevent me from diving into Alps projects after this one is done.  Without the support of the giving and thoughtful Seattle keyboard community, I would have been sunk!

I'd love to see this too. It would be a lot easier to optionally use PCB mount Cherry stabs instead of trying to source correct Alps/Matias stabs.

The only issue I'd see is with the available plates out there. Most I've seen are set up for Alps/Matias plate mount stabs.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 14 February 2017, 15:12:23
I can't wait for my Alps64 to arrive!

With newly made Alps keysets (Alpine Winter and the forthcoming Light Cycle GB), I wonder if it might be possible to add compatibility for Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers on an upcoming round? 

I was thankfully able to source Alps stabilizers and an Alps-compatible stabilizer plate, but the stabilizer issue is one that may prevent me from diving into Alps projects after this one is done.  Without the support of the giving and thoughtful Seattle keyboard community, I would have been sunk!

I'd love to see this too. It would be a lot easier to optionally use PCB mount Cherry stabs instead of trying to source correct Alps/Matias stabs.

The only issue I'd see is with the available plates out there. Most I've seen are set up for Alps/Matias plate mount stabs.

Are you guys sure this is possible? Is datasheet or dimension of those keycaps available somewhere?
I don't know how Alps keycaps with cherry mount work much and I'm really curious.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 14 February 2017, 15:20:04
I can't wait for my Alps64 to arrive!

With newly made Alps keysets (Alpine Winter and the forthcoming Light Cycle GB), I wonder if it might be possible to add compatibility for Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers on an upcoming round? 

I was thankfully able to source Alps stabilizers and an Alps-compatible stabilizer plate, but the stabilizer issue is one that may prevent me from diving into Alps projects after this one is done.  Without the support of the giving and thoughtful Seattle keyboard community, I would have been sunk!

I'd love to see this too. It would be a lot easier to optionally use PCB mount Cherry stabs instead of trying to source correct Alps/Matias stabs.

The only issue I'd see is with the available plates out there. Most I've seen are set up for Alps/Matias plate mount stabs.

Are you guys sure this is possible? Is datasheet or dimension of those keycaps available somewhere?
I don't know how Alps keycaps with cherry mount work much and I'm really curious.

I was not able to find a datasheet, but here is an example http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-2-space-pack-of-10/

From what I've heard these use standard Cherry-spec stabilizer spacing.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 15 February 2017, 03:30:51
Just got my package, but only one of two ordered PCBs. I sent you an e-mail regarding this.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: clickstops on Wed, 15 February 2017, 13:27:19
PMing re: leftovers
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sat, 18 February 2017, 13:43:19
Still waiting to hear on leftovers!  :( :p
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: CursorTN on Mon, 20 February 2017, 00:57:18
I can't wait for my Alps64 to arrive!

With newly made Alps keysets (Alpine Winter and the forthcoming Light Cycle GB), I wonder if it might be possible to add compatibility for Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers on an upcoming round? 

I was thankfully able to source Alps stabilizers and an Alps-compatible stabilizer plate, but the stabilizer issue is one that may prevent me from diving into Alps projects after this one is done.  Without the support of the giving and thoughtful Seattle keyboard community, I would have been sunk!

I'd love to see this too. It would be a lot easier to optionally use PCB mount Cherry stabs instead of trying to source correct Alps/Matias stabs.

The only issue I'd see is with the available plates out there. Most I've seen are set up for Alps/Matias plate mount stabs.

Are you guys sure this is possible? Is datasheet or dimension of those keycaps available somewhere?
I don't know how Alps keycaps with cherry mount work much and I'm really curious.

According to this thread, Alpine Winter is compatible with Cherry Stabs:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg1875926#msg1875926

My understanding is that Signature Plastics just switches the middle stem for Alps sets.  Everything else is identical.  I'm just about sure this is the case for Light Cycle Alps too as it's being made for MX stems also.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 20 February 2017, 07:57:38
PMing re: leftovers

I have a PCB that I will not get to building.  PM is you are interested. 
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: odd on Mon, 20 February 2017, 19:07:41
Just build mine up. Is there any way to add a caps lock or any type of indicator led? I ask because I see support for it in tmk just don't see anywhere on the PCB where you can add one.

No LED support. You have to hack PCB if you want to use any LED.
LED on bottom side(PC5) is used for capslock indicator by default, you can replace it with your favorite LED. Or PC4, 6 and 7 pins are not used and you can use them for your idicators. BTW, what kind of switch and keycap are you going to use for indicator?

Using mechanical lock switch for capslock key is easy way if you don't have to use LED necessarily. you can use keycode 'Locking Caps Lock'(LCAP) for it.

Oh, ok thanks for the info. I used a salmon alps switch I would love a locking alps switch but  have never came across one.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: MandrewDavis on Mon, 20 February 2017, 22:27:25
Great job Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Tue, 21 February 2017, 02:41:12
I can't wait for my Alps64 to arrive!

With newly made Alps keysets (Alpine Winter and the forthcoming Light Cycle GB), I wonder if it might be possible to add compatibility for Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers on an upcoming round? 

I was thankfully able to source Alps stabilizers and an Alps-compatible stabilizer plate, but the stabilizer issue is one that may prevent me from diving into Alps projects after this one is done.  Without the support of the giving and thoughtful Seattle keyboard community, I would have been sunk!

I'd love to see this too. It would be a lot easier to optionally use PCB mount Cherry stabs instead of trying to source correct Alps/Matias stabs.

The only issue I'd see is with the available plates out there. Most I've seen are set up for Alps/Matias plate mount stabs.

Are you guys sure this is possible? Is datasheet or dimension of those keycaps available somewhere?
I don't know how Alps keycaps with cherry mount work much and I'm really curious.

I was not able to find a datasheet, but here is an example http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-2-space-pack-of-10/

From what I've heard these use standard Cherry-spec stabilizer spacing.

According to this thread, Alpine Winter is compatible with Cherry Stabs:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg1875926#msg1875926

My understanding is that Signature Plastics just switches the middle stem for Alps sets.  Everything else is identical.  I'm just about sure this is the case for Light Cycle Alps too as it's being made for MX stems also.

Thanks for the info. I'll look into pcbs with Cherry stab support.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Wed, 22 February 2017, 01:23:27
Some pcbs from leftover are available now, see first post.

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: schoolbus on Wed, 22 February 2017, 08:24:22
Got my PCB yesterday and built her up with no issues w/ AEK2 layout & Orange alps. I'd provide pictures but I'm at work- was actually kind of fun to solder in the diodes and everything went perfect so I appreciate it Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 25 February 2017, 02:07:09
got it today and tested. Everything's fine, so i just need to put it somewhere till June, when alps lightcycle will reach me.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: E3E on Sat, 25 February 2017, 02:24:38
I can't wait for my Alps64 to arrive!

With newly made Alps keysets (Alpine Winter and the forthcoming Light Cycle GB), I wonder if it might be possible to add compatibility for Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers on an upcoming round? 

I was thankfully able to source Alps stabilizers and an Alps-compatible stabilizer plate, but the stabilizer issue is one that may prevent me from diving into Alps projects after this one is done.  Without the support of the giving and thoughtful Seattle keyboard community, I would have been sunk!

I'd love to see this too. It would be a lot easier to optionally use PCB mount Cherry stabs instead of trying to source correct Alps/Matias stabs.

The only issue I'd see is with the available plates out there. Most I've seen are set up for Alps/Matias plate mount stabs.

Are you guys sure this is possible? Is datasheet or dimension of those keycaps available somewhere?
I don't know how Alps keycaps with cherry mount work much and I'm really curious.

This is possible if you have PCB-mount Cherry stabilizers or likely even plate-mount stabilizers offered in appropriate layouts. I use Cherry stabs with a Duck Eagle PCB and a universal plate that accepts Alps switches as a matter of coincidence. No problems there. 
 
However, it's possible to use Alps keysets with cruciform stab mounting with Matias stabilizers and properly bent wire. You can also modify standard Alps stab inserts for this purpose and bend the wire yourself. Costar stabs also work for cruciform-mount caps, but the plate obviously needs to account for that as well. 

So the options are:

• Cherry stab support either by plate or PCB
• Costar stab support in plate
• Matias stabs with necessary wire modifications (up to the end user)
• Modified Alps stab inserts with necessary wire modifications (up to end user)


Regarding using Cherry stabs:

I need to also say that the stab spacing for Alps 7u space bars is NOT the same as Cherry. You cannot use a normal 7u wire for an Alps 7u space bar made by SP or Tai Hao or any Alps key cap manufacturer for that matter.

The only wire that will work in that case will be your own custom bent wire or wires salvaged from the rare few vintage Alps boards that use Cherry stabs for the space bar.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: phoible on Sat, 25 February 2017, 12:59:25
The AEK and AEKII have a latching switch for caps lock (it's grey). I never use it for my builds because I don't ever use caps lock and always map it to something else.

Just build mine up. Is there any way to add a caps lock or any type of indicator led? I ask because I see support for it in tmk just don't see anywhere on the PCB where you can add one.

No LED support. You have to hack PCB if you want to use any LED.
LED on bottom side(PC5) is used for capslock indicator by default, you can replace it with your favorite LED. Or PC4, 6 and 7 pins are not used and you can use them for your idicators. BTW, what kind of switch and keycap are you going to use for indicator?

Using mechanical lock switch for capslock key is easy way if you don't have to use LED necessarily. you can use keycode 'Locking Caps Lock'(LCAP) for it.

Oh, ok thanks for the info. I used a salmon alps switch I would love a locking alps switch but  have never came across one.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: airs on Sat, 25 February 2017, 15:30:39
Some pcbs from leftover are available now, see first post.

Thank you

Emailed you asking to buy one of the leftover PCBs.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: CursorTN on Thu, 02 March 2017, 21:58:15
According to this thread, Alpine Winter is compatible with Cherry Stabs:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg1875926#msg1875926

My understanding is that Signature Plastics just switches the middle stem for Alps sets.  Everything else is identical.  I'm just about sure this is the case for Light Cycle Alps too as it's being made for MX stems also.

Thanks for the info. I'll look into pcbs with Cherry stab support.
[/quote]

I posted about this in the /r/mk thread about the Light Cycle group buy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5wsybi/buying_the_mcp_must_be_destroyed_lightcycle_is/decxvz7/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5wsybi/buying_the_mcp_must_be_destroyed_lightcycle_is/decxvz7/)

Evan confirmed Cherry stab support.  In fact he says it's required.  Thanks for looking into this, Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: keruibo on Tue, 07 March 2017, 21:37:23
Hasu,

Big thank you for making this build possible!  I most often type on either my restored vintage M0115 or my M3501 retrofitted with Alps White switches.  But for a long time I've known perfect keyboard would be:

a) 60% form factor with user-programmable layers
b) AEK PBT keycaps
c) Alps Orange or Alps White (I love them both equally and can never help switching between them)

Thanks to your effort on this PCB project, I finally have my perfect keyboard!  Since I can never make up my mind whether I like Orange or White clicky ones....I bought three boards: 1 for Orange, 1 for White and 1 for Matias quiet (to take along for working in shared work environments on occasion).

I just finished building the first two boards (Orange and Matias Click).  Everything went together perfectly!  The instructions on this thread were outstanding, and I had no issues at all along the way.  I'm typing this up with my new Alps64 made with Orange switches donated by an Apple M0116, keycaps and plate donated by an AEK M3501, your Alps64 PCB and a Sentraq 60% Plastic case.

Again big thanks Hasu for this! Here is a write-up and photos of the build and final product:
http://blog.robkerr.com/60-percent-custom-apple-keyboard-build/ (http://blog.robkerr.com/60-percent-custom-apple-keyboard-build/)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Fri, 10 March 2017, 18:44:54
Thanks for posting! Good write up.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Arhipio on Mon, 13 March 2017, 16:52:19
Any leftovers available :D?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 13 March 2017, 19:06:26
Yes, it is still avaiable :D Check first post  to place order.

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: zacheadams on Thu, 30 March 2017, 15:33:16
Yes, it is still avaiable :D Check first post  to place order.

Thanks

Order for a leftover placed, cheers!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: Arhipio on Sat, 01 April 2017, 14:12:10
If anyone is interested I'm currently hosting a gb for 60% alps aek steel plates using Hasu's plate design.  :thumb:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88615.0;topicseen (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88615.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 10 April 2017, 00:23:36
I can't wait for my Alps64 to arrive!

With newly made Alps keysets (Alpine Winter and the forthcoming Light Cycle GB), I wonder if it might be possible to add compatibility for Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers on an upcoming round? 

I was thankfully able to source Alps stabilizers and an Alps-compatible stabilizer plate, but the stabilizer issue is one that may prevent me from diving into Alps projects after this one is done.  Without the support of the giving and thoughtful Seattle keyboard community, I would have been sunk!

I'd love to see this too. It would be a lot easier to optionally use PCB mount Cherry stabs instead of trying to source correct Alps/Matias stabs.

The only issue I'd see is with the available plates out there. Most I've seen are set up for Alps/Matias plate mount stabs.

Are you guys sure this is possible? Is datasheet or dimension of those keycaps available somewhere?
I don't know how Alps keycaps with cherry mount work much and I'm really curious.

I was not able to find a datasheet, but here is an example http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-2-space-pack-of-10/

From what I've heard these use standard Cherry-spec stabilizer spacing.

According to this thread, Alpine Winter is compatible with Cherry Stabs:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg1875926#msg1875926

My understanding is that Signature Plastics just switches the middle stem for Alps sets.  Everything else is identical.  I'm just about sure this is the case for Light Cycle Alps too as it's being made for MX stems also.

Thanks for the info. I'll look into pcbs with Cherry stab support.



I'm workin on revising design for Cherry pcb mount stablizers, I'll order some pcbs some later to test it.
Anyone know where I can buy Alps keycaps with MX stab mount?

any suggestion?


(http://i.imgur.com/3cDJawN.png)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 10 April 2017, 00:34:00
Anyone know where I can buy Alps keycaps with MX stab mount?

any suggestion?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/3cDJawN.png)


Any of the Alps caps made by signature plastics should be mx stab mount.

http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-2-space-pack-of-10/ (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-2-space-pack-of-10/)
http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-space-bar-pack-of-1/ (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-space-bar-pack-of-1/)

from here (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/blank-key-packs/)

The Alpine Winter set and the blanks sometimes sold by massdrop with infinity keyboards are the only full sets I know of.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Mon, 10 April 2017, 14:51:44
Thanks!
Shipping costs much :( I'll look into others further.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 11 April 2017, 02:57:11
Thanks!
Shipping costs much :( I'll look into others further.

I'm going to get a Tai-Hao red Dolch set in a month or so. AFAIK, they have ALPS mount and Cherry stabs (at least for a spacebar) and I can share it, cause I've gave the Datadesk MAC 101E, which I intended to put those caps on as a birthday gift to the friend of mine, so basically I don't need it anymore.

Let me know, if you're interested.

EDIT: only spacebar is Cherry, others are for ALPS stabs. So I guess, that's not that interesting now.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 15 April 2017, 06:13:07
Thanks!
Shipping costs much :( I'll look into others further.

Hello Hasu, I have a lot of MX-stabilised Alps caps from Signature Plastic (they are various mistake or rejected caps from their Alpine Winter sets that were sold in their occasional grab bags). I am more than happy to send you a few of different sizes for testing if you like (I don't have any spacebars though)

Let me know if you would like some of these caps, you can have them for the price of shipping
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sat, 15 April 2017, 17:17:07
Thanks!
Shipping costs much :( I'll look into others further.

Hello Hasu, I have a lot of MX-stabilised Alps caps from Signature Plastic (they are various mistake or rejected caps from their Alpine Winter sets that were sold in their occasional grab bags). I am more than happy to send you a few of different sizes for testing if you like (I don't have any spacebars though)

Let me know if you would like some of these caps, you can have them for the price of shipping

I found adding Cherry stab support breaks existent support for ISO Enter of Dell102 and decide to stop designing the pcb.

anyway, thank you for the offer!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 15 April 2017, 18:21:42
Thanks!
Shipping costs much :( I'll look into others further.

Hello Hasu, I have a lot of MX-stabilised Alps caps from Signature Plastic (they are various mistake or rejected caps from their Alpine Winter sets that were sold in their occasional grab bags). I am more than happy to send you a few of different sizes for testing if you like (I don't have any spacebars though)

Let me know if you would like some of these caps, you can have them for the price of shipping

I found adding Cherry stab support breaks existent support for ISO Enter of Dell102 and decide to stop designing the pcb.

anyway, thank you for the offer!

I think I see the problem based on the picture you linked earlier. It's a shame! But I guess people who has Cherry-stabilised Alps caps could always cut a plate that allows them to use plate-mounted Costar or Cherry stabs.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps
Post by: hasu on Sun, 16 April 2017, 21:55:17
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought out at last.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 04 May 2017, 18:39:23
Hi folks,
Now 9th round is open.

Thank you

9th Run 2017/May
Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com with "Alps64 GB" in subject to place order and just let me know number of PCB(1 or 2). Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email, you'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account. Your shipping address should be supplied in Paypal form when payment.

PM may not work for this GB, use email instead.

 If you are in a hurry you can get leftover from previous round, pcb revision is identical to 9th one. See below.

Schedule:
2017/05/31 close
2017/06/19 start shipping

Cost:
Price: $42USD                                   
Shipping: $10USD(add $4 per extra PCB) for world-wide shipping                                           
It costs $52 for a PCB and $98 for two.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: pexon on Tue, 16 May 2017, 18:23:55
Hasu, how do I enable AEK layout bottom row under the TMK Keymap Editor? I can't figure out how I arrange AEK bottom row, I've tried different positions on the bottom row, but I cant get it working
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 16 May 2017, 18:41:20
Hasu, how do I enable AEK layout bottom row under the TMK Keymap Editor? I can't figure out how I arrange AEK bottom row, I've tried different positions on the bottom row, but I cant get it working

Just ignore key right next to space bar, it should works straight as you expect.
If this doesn't help post your keymap URL, use "URL shortener" button.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: waldorf120 on Mon, 22 May 2017, 14:24:18
On my Alps64 board, not sure which revision, when I press "i","n", then "d" really fast, a "t" is registered after the "d".  Has anyone else had this issue, and is is fixable?  I use a QWERTY layout with TMK firmware built by Hasu's firmware editor and flashed with FLIP.  The PCB is new, I just started using it yesterday, has a white solder mask.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: keruibo on Mon, 22 May 2017, 15:30:06
Ugh...just tried doing this on my alps64, and I can't reproduce it.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 22 May 2017, 15:56:56
On my Alps64 board, not sure which revision, when I press "i","n", then "d" really fast, a "t" is registered after the "d".  Has anyone else had this issue, and is is fixable?  I use a QWERTY layout with TMK firmware built by Hasu's firmware editor and flashed with FLIP.  The PCB is new, I just started using it yesterday, has a white solder mask.

Those four keys, located in K75, K72, K52, K55, form rectagle on key matrix and meet conditions for ghost key. If you have diodes decently the ghost should not happen. http://www.dribin.org/dave/keyboard/one_html/

Some of diodes deosn't seem to work correctly, check direction and soldering of all your diodes, especially D7* and D*2.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: waldorf120 on Mon, 22 May 2017, 18:27:53
On my Alps64 board, not sure which revision, when I press "i","n", then "d" really fast, a "t" is registered after the "d".  Has anyone else had this issue, and is is fixable?  I use a QWERTY layout with TMK firmware built by Hasu's firmware editor and flashed with FLIP.  The PCB is new, I just started using it yesterday, has a white solder mask.

Those four keys, located in K75, K72, K52, K55, form rectagle on key matrix and meet conditions for ghost key. If you have diodes decently the ghost should not happen. http://www.dribin.org/dave/keyboard/one_html/

Some of diodes deosn't seem to work correctly, check direction and soldering of all your diodes, especially D7* and D*2.

Thank you Hasu I will try that!  The diodes are surface mount soldered by another user, and a few weren't working when I got the board, I will check the ones that you mentioned.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: mike-anderson on Mon, 22 May 2017, 20:49:54
Hey Hasu,
For the PCB design, have you considered moving row2 and row3 from PD2,PD3 (pad 8,9) to PC6,PC7 (pad 23,22)?
I think that could potentially free up PD2 and PD3 to be broken out and used as serial RX and TX for a UART bluetooth adapter like the bluefruit. https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-adafruit-bluefruit-le-uart-friend/introduction
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 22 May 2017, 21:22:42
Hey Hasu,
For the PCB design, have you considered moving row2 and row3 from` PD2,PD3 (pad 8,9) to PC6,PC7 (pad 23,22)?
I think that could potentially free up PD2 and PD3 to be broken out and used as serial RX and TX for a UART bluetooth adapter like the bluefruit. https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-adafruit-bluefruit-le-uart-friend/introduction

No. I didn't have plan for mod like that from the begining. Also I won't change pins for this pcb for future because it harms firmware support for existent users.

I would design new pcb when I want bluetooth.


EDIT:
I'll use this module with open source firmware.
https://www.seeedstudio.com/MDBT40P%C2%A0-%C2%A0nRF51822%C2%A0based%C2%A0BLE%C2%A0module-p-2503.html

Bluefruit seems to be easy to use but its firmware is not open unfortunately.
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_BluefruitLE_Firmware/issues/14
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 22 May 2017, 21:37:01
Hey Hasu,
For the PCB design, have you considered moving row2 and row3 from PD2,PD3 (pad 8,9) to PC6,PC7 (pad 23,22)?
I think that could potentially free up PD2 and PD3 to be broken out and used as serial RX and TX for a UART bluetooth adapter like the bluefruit. https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-adafruit-bluefruit-le-uart-friend/introduction

If you are trying to mod your Alps64 PCB for bluefruit, how about usng software UART on PC6 and PC7?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: mike-anderson on Tue, 23 May 2017, 16:07:39
Hey Hasu,
For the PCB design, have you considered moving row2 and row3 from` PD2,PD3 (pad 8,9) to PC6,PC7 (pad 23,22)?
I think that could potentially free up PD2 and PD3 to be broken out and used as serial RX and TX for a UART bluetooth adapter like the bluefruit. https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-adafruit-bluefruit-le-uart-friend/introduction

No. I didn't have plan for mod like that from the begining. Also I won't change pins for this pcb for future because it harms firmware support for existent users.

I would design new pcb when I want bluetooth.


EDIT:
I'll use this module with open source firmware.
https://www.seeedstudio.com/MDBT40P%C2%A0-%C2%A0nRF51822%C2%A0based%C2%A0BLE%C2%A0module-p-2503.html

Bluefruit seems to be easy to use but its firmware is not open unfortunately.
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_BluefruitLE_Firmware/issues/14

That's a good point, I will try software serial out of the unpopulated ports
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Shipping 9th 2017/May]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 04 June 2017, 22:38:43
[GB Update]
Thank you for your oders.

I was able to start assembling and shipping earlier than expected, all orders will be shipped within this two weeks.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open 9th 2017/May]
Post by: waldorf120 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 11:43:56
On my Alps64 board, not sure which revision, when I press "i","n", then "d" really fast, a "t" is registered after the "d".  Has anyone else had this issue, and is is fixable?  I use a QWERTY layout with TMK firmware built by Hasu's firmware editor and flashed with FLIP.  The PCB is new, I just started using it yesterday, has a white solder mask.

Those four keys, located in K75, K72, K52, K55, form rectagle on key matrix and meet conditions for ghost key. If you have diodes decently the ghost should not happen. http://www.dribin.org/dave/keyboard/one_html/

Some of diodes deosn't seem to work correctly, check direction and soldering of all your diodes, especially D7* and D*2.

Forgot to post an update to this.  Checked the diodes at the locations Hasu mentioned and sure enough some of them weren't properly soldered on.  I had to replace some of the SMD diodes with through-holes because I suck at soldering SMDs.  After fixing a few diodes no more ghost "t"!  Thanks Hasu!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Shipping 9th 2017/May]
Post by: Username? on Fri, 30 June 2017, 00:17:54
Waiting exited for next round. :)

/mynameis
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: joelcwe on Fri, 04 August 2017, 11:08:15
finally had some time to put the keyboard together. works and looks great with the dolch taihao caps from massdrop.

 just a suggestion, it looks like there are some pins that are not exposed , 22 ,23 ,26 ? not sure if these pins are actually usable as I just had a quick look at the kicad files but can these be exposed to pads for diyers that want to add lighting functionality; caps locks , layers, general lighting etc.?


Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 05 August 2017, 21:45:56
finally had some time to put the keyboard together. works and looks great with the dolch taihao caps from massdrop.

 just a suggestion, it looks like there are some pins that are not exposed , 22 ,23 ,26 ? not sure if these pins are actually usable as I just had a quick look at the kicad files but can these be exposed to pads for diyers that want to add lighting functionality; caps locks , layers, general lighting etc.?
I’d love to see this. I’d be game for an RGB underglow compatible Alps64. It’s possible to solder directly to the pin on the controller, but that’s always tricky.


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Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 05 August 2017, 22:03:57
I'll try breakout for the pins in future revision.

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 06 August 2017, 18:45:55
[GB] Update

OK, PCB will have  breakouts for the three unused pins from current GB like pic below. PCB color is black in the GB.
(http://i.imgur.com/dXCT2Db.png)

Also FR-4(PCB substrate material) plate for AEKII(and AEK) layout is available. Its thickness is 1.2mm as spec and color is black too.
It costs 12USD when buying with Alps64 PCB or 16USD when getting only plate without Alps64.
(http://i.imgur.com/u9Rf2D7.png)

Black Alps64PCB/AEK Plate looks like this actually, not matte black.
(http://i.imgur.com/vDepcqb.jpg)

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: ricyuyc on Sun, 06 August 2017, 21:47:29
[GB] Update

OK, PCB will have  breakouts for the three unused pins from current GB like pic below. PCB color is black in the GB.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/dXCT2Db.png)


Also FR-4(PCB substrate material) plate for AEKII(and AEK) layout is available. Its thickness is 1.2mm as spec and color is black too.
It costs 12USD when buying with Alps64 PCB or 16USD when getting only plate without Alps64.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u9Rf2D7.png)


Black Alps64PCB/AEK Plate looks like this actually, not matte black.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/vDepcqb.jpg)


Thank you
Hi Hasu, Is the "Alps64 Leftover" sold out already? So I have to wait for next round right?

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 06 August 2017, 22:58:09
Hi Hasu, Is the "Alps64 Leftover" sold out already? So I have to wait for next round right?

Right, join next round.
If you are in a hurry and don't mind cosmetic issues you can get inferior one from my personal stock.

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: smithyithy on Wed, 09 August 2017, 06:50:31
Hasu, will this GB round be finished and shipped before the UK Ltd Ed PCBs are done and collected (is that around September?)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Wed, 09 August 2017, 07:19:13
Hasu, will this GB round be finished and shipped before the UK Ltd Ed PCBs are done and collected (is that around September?)

Yes, some of pcbs were already ordered and will be ready before end of month unless I get any problem.

PCBs of UK GB is almost ready and wait, they will be handed over to UK GB organaizer in Tokyo at begining of September, so shippping will be mid or end of the month?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: smithyithy on Wed, 09 August 2017, 07:35:26
Yes, some of pcbs were already ordered and will be ready before end of month unless I get any problem.

PCBs of UK GB is almost ready and wait, they will be handed over to UK GB organaizer in Tokyo at begining of September, so shippping will be mid or end of the month?

Great stuff, looking forward to getting them  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: stand.geek on Tue, 15 August 2017, 13:58:13
Hasu, do you also have plate for BigAss?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 15 August 2017, 15:21:24
Hasu, do you also have plate for BigAss?

no. Alps keyboards may have different keycaps and stabs, I don't think one plate fits for all of BigAss.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hfiggs on Tue, 15 August 2017, 23:54:20
Hello! I am new to the DIY keyboard community and I wan't to build a 60% alps for my first keyboard. The only thing stopping me from buying your pcb is lack of RGB functionality. Is it possible to use the three open pins you mentioned to drive RGB led backlighting?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Wed, 16 August 2017, 02:52:13
I think you can use the open pin to drive   rbg LEDs like ws2812 variants but not completely sure.

if you are not familiar with these things you can wait for someone to confirm that.

I'm for one  not very interested in LEDs on keyboard and not sure have time to do the job for awhile.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: Sup on Wed, 16 August 2017, 11:02:47
Hey Hasu thanks for the great PCB :) Made a ALPS 64 AEK II White Dampend. Also nice to see you are selling affordable plates for the current group buy.
I used 1.2mm Multiplex wood and it works  :)) it is flexible but everything sits in tight for anyone wondering and looks pretty cool  :cool: .

(http://i.imgur.com/u9lRwsl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3Cjy3Ym.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/yccluDt.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: stand.geek on Thu, 17 August 2017, 02:07:04
Hi Hasu, Is the "Alps64 Leftover" sold out already? So I have to wait for next round right?

Right, join next round.
If you are in a hurry and don't mind cosmetic issues you can get inferior one from my personal stock.

Hi, I'm considering that inferior one from your personal stock because I don't want to wait.  ;D
Can you explain me about the cosmetic issue or maybe a photo about it? It is 100% works well right?
How much it is for the inferior one? Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 17 August 2017, 04:00:35
Hi Hasu, Is the "Alps64 Leftover" sold out already? So I have to wait for next round right?

Right, join next round.
If you are in a hurry and don't mind cosmetic issues you can get inferior one from my personal stock.

Hi, I'm considering that inferior one from your personal stock because I don't want to wait.  ;D
Can you explain me about the cosmetic issue or maybe a photo about it? It is 100% works well right?
How much it is for the inferior one? Thanks

OK, it is still available a few, email me.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: stand.geek on Thu, 17 August 2017, 05:44:05
Hi Hasu, Is the "Alps64 Leftover" sold out already? So I have to wait for next round right?

Right, join next round.
If you are in a hurry and don't mind cosmetic issues you can get inferior one from my personal stock.

Hi, I'm considering that inferior one from your personal stock because I don't want to wait.  ;D
Can you explain me about the cosmetic issue or maybe a photo about it? It is 100% works well right?
How much it is for the inferior one? Thanks

OK, it is still available a few, email me.

Done. Email sent
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: skidude9678 on Thu, 17 August 2017, 17:36:49
Email sent for one PCB and one plate.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: DasGnome on Thu, 17 August 2017, 20:27:51
I'm interested in cutting down a plate from a vintage board I have for this pcb. Any advice on what kind of tools I should get for this (and future projects)?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 18 August 2017, 02:38:52
Cnc with so-called corn mill cutter. Prepare to get tons of dust and finish corners manualy
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 20 August 2017, 04:11:43
Hi, hasu.
I've finally reassembled the board and it seems I've messed up somewhere. That's not the switches, though, cause shortening contacts on the back of board does nothing as well. The switches faulty are K17, K07, K25 and K16 in the upper right corner: -=[] and K12, forward slash in the lower right corner. I do hope I've just burned some diode, so I could perform workaround. So, what could be the issue here?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 20 August 2017, 16:20:03
I can't see any clear clue on those faulty switches. can you post pics of your PCB and case?

if your case is conductive and touches any pad on pcb insulate there with tape.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 21 August 2017, 01:49:17
The case is wooden and is not the issue anyway: I've checked without it. I'll dig into kicad files and find what could be the reason here. It is possible that I've cut some path, cause the PCB has seen some abuse.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: gerold on Mon, 21 August 2017, 13:25:07
Hey Guys, pretty new to the DIY.
Can someone tell me if this would fit into the 60% Sentraq sandwich case?
https://sentraq.com/products/60-aluminum-acrylic-sandwich-case
thx
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 21 August 2017, 17:32:55
Hey Guys, pretty new to the DIY.
Can someone tell me if this would fit into the 60% Sentraq sandwich case?
https://sentraq.com/products/60-aluminum-acrylic-sandwich-case
thx

No. Alps switches need specifically cut plates (universal cutouts won't work), 1.2mm thick (standard 1.5mm plates meant for MX won't work) and specific stabiliser cutout for your specific caps (again, this precludes all universal MX plates). Not to mention, the cutout needed to accommodate Alps switches is dimensionally different from MX.

In short, no. Though nothing's stopping you from cutting a 1.2mm thick plate with the holes in the correct place for the fasteners for that particular sandwich kit.

You're better off just getting a positioning plate made, and use the generic GH60-compatible cases out there.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:49:39
I’m working on my AEK 60 build and I’m a little stuck. I’ve got a board from a previous batch, a plate using the open source layout from a previous group buy, and Matias quiet clicks all mounted and soldered. My issue is stabilizers - I don’t want to steal from my AEK 2 since it’s in good shape, but I’m finding that the 2.75U stabilizer in the Matias kit is too narrow (won’t span the gap between the stabilizer clips in the plate). Anybody had any luck with stabs from elsewhere?

Also I’m planning to use SP’s Alps mount granite set; they use an Alps mount in the center, but cherry mounts for stabilizer hooks. I’m getting the feeling that  typical Alps stabilizers may be too tall to allow full range of motion with the cherry stab hook/positioning. Any chance somebody here has beat me to a solution here?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:56:21
I’m working on my AEK 60 build and I’m a little stuck. I’ve got a board from a previous batch, a plate using the open source layout from a previous group buy, and Matias quiet clicks all mounted and soldered. My issue is stabilizers - I don’t want to steal from my AEK 2 since it’s in good shape, but I’m finding that the 2.75U stabilizer in the Matias kit is too narrow (won’t span the gap between the stabilizer clips in the plate). Anybody had any luck with stabs from elsewhere?

Also I’m planning to use SP’s Alps mount granite set; they use an Alps mount in the center, but cherry mounts for stabilizer hooks. I’m getting the feeling that  typical Alps stabilizers may be too tall to allow full range of motion with the cherry stab hook/positioning. Any chance somebody here has beat me to a solution here?

If you got the Matias Stabilizer and Hook Kit it should also include costar style stabilizers that will work with the SP keycaps. Those are what I used with my Alps64 with Alpine Winter. I've found that it's best for the 2.75u keys to cannibalize from existing Alps boards. So all my Alps64s have used a mix of Matias + vintage stabs and hooks. The other option is to try bending the hook yourself with piano wire + a wire bending kit. I attempted this, but my results weren't great. I think njbair has experience with wire bending...
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Fri, 25 August 2017, 14:46:26
The short version is that there's not an "off the shelf" solution for this combo: the open-source plate, which is designed around Alps stabs, and the current SP "Alps" keycaps, which are designed for Cherry stabs. The right shift key is the main problem - the Alps style stabilizer in that position is mounted nearly the full width of the key, whereas the Cherry style is much narrower (it's the same stabilizer that's used for keys as narrow as 2u). This could be solved with a custom stabilizer for Alps plates and Cherry-width hooks, but that leaves another problem: DSA seems shallow enough that standard Cherry stabilizer hooks touch the plate before the cap is fully seated in the switch. May not be a problem with Alpine Winter since that's a totally different profile, but I think I just need to abandon this plan and make two boards: one with this plate and Alps stabs, and another with a plate for Cherry stabs (because Granite is pretty).

Edit: Decided to steal the caps from my AEK for this build after all. I'll grab another 60% plate with cherry stab mounts, since I've still got over 100 matias quiet clicks just sitting here anyway.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: mnmlisme on Fri, 25 August 2017, 17:23:09
I’m working on my AEK 60 build and I’m a little stuck. I’ve got a board from a previous batch, a plate using the open source layout from a previous group buy, and Matias quiet clicks all mounted and soldered. My issue is stabilizers - I don’t want to steal from my AEK 2 since it’s in good shape, but I’m finding that the 2.75U stabilizer in the Matias kit is too narrow (won’t span the gap between the stabilizer clips in the plate). Anybody had any luck with stabs from elsewhere?

Also I’m planning to use SP’s Alps mount granite set; they use an Alps mount in the center, but cherry mounts for stabilizer hooks. I’m getting the feeling that  typical Alps stabilizers may be too tall to allow full range of motion with the cherry stab hook/positioning. Any chance somebody here has beat me to a solution here?

If you got the Matias Stabilizer and Hook Kit it should also include costar style stabilizers that will work with the SP keycaps. Those are what I used with my Alps64 with Alpine Winter. I've found that it's best for the 2.75u keys to cannibalize from existing Alps boards. So all my Alps64s have used a mix of Matias + vintage stabs and hooks. The other option is to try bending the hook yourself with piano wire + a wire bending kit. I attempted this, but my results weren't great. I think njbair has experience with wire bending...
so the safest choice is to hunt for a vintage AEK keyboard? I bought this just because I wanted to own a custom alps keyboard. found an ebay seller for the keycaps, thought I'll just buy the stabs from matias but just read about the problem with 2.75U stabs. suggestion?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Sat, 26 August 2017, 06:21:33
I can confirm that works well.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: mnmlisme on Sat, 26 August 2017, 10:10:25
I can confirm that works well.
what did? can I just purchase the stabs from matias shop?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 August 2017, 12:15:22
Regarding Alps stabilizer clips with Cherry cruciform mounts on SP caps, it is totally doable with the purchase of the proper tools.

I bought a Du-Bro wire bender (http://a.co/fM2AiOm) and some music wire from a local hobby shop. I don't remember the wire gauge, but just bring an Alps stab wire with you and compare. Then you just bend a wire that's as wide as an Alps stab wire, and as tall as a Cherry stab wire, and you're in business.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Sun, 27 August 2017, 10:33:07
Regarding Alps stabilizer clips with Cherry cruciform mounts on SP caps, it is totally doable with the purchase of the proper tools.

I bought a Du-Bro wire bender (http://a.co/fM2AiOm) and some music wire from a local hobby shop. I don't remember the wire gauge, but just bring an Alps stab wire with you and compare. Then you just bend a wire that's as wide as an Alps stab wire, and as tall as a Cherry stab wire, and you're in business.

Thanks; I tried making one out of the spare space bar wires with just some pliers and didn’t like the results. May try this.

I can confirm that works well.
what did? can I just purchase the stabs from matias shop?

Donor AEK is the safe bet. I used the Matias clips in my plate, but the wires from my AEK. If I can do the above, I’ll post the results.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: mnmlisme on Sun, 27 August 2017, 17:16:47
Donor AEK is the safe bet. I used the Matias clips in my plate, but the wires from my AEK. If I can do the above, I’ll post the results.
please do, meanwhile I'll try and hunt for an old AEK keyboard then
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Mon, 28 August 2017, 17:29:47
Just now getting around to flashing the board; can't seem to get the AEK layout. I've tried all of the makefiles, and I've tried passing various arguments as "LAYOUT" and it's still CTRL GUI ALT on the bottom row. What am I missing?

Edit: I ended up working around it; I made a layout using the online editor and manually flashed with dfu-programmer rather than using the makefile. Would love to learn to do the make file, because I'm pretty sure that's the only way to get the ~ behavior that I want (my Clueboard has it; defaults to Esc, but with Shift it's ~, so ` requires the fn key).
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: skidude9678 on Mon, 28 August 2017, 18:51:27
Is there any place to get a plate with a more standard layout i.e. 1.25,1.25,1.25,6.25,1.25,1.25,1.25,1.25 bottom row? Tried Lasergist but he's been completely unresponsive to my inquiries about making a 1.2mm thick plate. I'd like to make a board to put DSA Light Cycle on.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 28 August 2017, 19:12:40
Is there any place to get a plate with a more standard layout i.e. 1.25,1.25,1.25,6.25,1.25,1.25,1.25,1.25 bottom row? Tried Lasergist but he's been completely unresponsive to my inquiries about making a 1.2mm thick plate. I'd like to make a board to put DSA Light Cycle on.

I think 1.0mm plate also works even if 1.2mm think is not available. But I know people prefer thicker and harder plate :D

Share your result and CAD data on "Open Source 60% Alps Plates" thread!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 28 August 2017, 20:03:21
Just now getting around to flashing the board; can't seem to get the AEK layout. I've tried all of the makefiles, and I've tried passing various arguments as "LAYOUT" and it's still CTRL GUI ALT on the bottom row. What am I missing?

Edit: I ended up working around it; I made a layout using the online editor and manually flashed with dfu-programmer rather than using the makefile. Would love to learn to do the make file, because I'm pretty sure that's the only way to get the ~ behavior that I want (my Clueboard has it; defaults to Esc, but with Shift it's ~, so ` requires the fn key).

Esc/Grave trick can be done with keymap editor, refer to FC660C layout. You can get idea of ACTION_LAYER_MOD on Shift key. Use 'Code Edit' tab to see/edit the action on keymap editor.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/unimap/?fc660c_emu

Btw, with Clueboard how can people get Shift+Esc? It's critical to get task manager on chrome these days! :D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: NotTheVacuum on Mon, 28 August 2017, 20:35:25
Thanks, Hasu! Will try.

As for task manager, this is on the Mac-optimized layout so I think it's less of an issue.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hfiggs on Tue, 29 August 2017, 22:02:19
Do you think this will be your last run? Or do you plan on doing more?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 29 August 2017, 22:58:27
Do you think this will be your last run? Or do you plan on doing more?

yes, I will open GB basically when leftover pcbs run out. I usually sell leftovers after each GB.
But I'm not sure if AEK plate is available on next GB.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: Beetwaaf on Wed, 06 September 2017, 09:29:58
Heya! I'm looking to build a custom AEK. Do you still have PCBs and Plates available?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: stand.geek on Sat, 09 September 2017, 13:46:41
Hi I wonder if there is any documentation about how to use macro in TMK Keymap Editor?
I try 'Code Edit' tab and select ACTION_MACRO but not working.
Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 09 September 2017, 19:33:12
Beetwaaf,
Leftover sale will start soon after GB is fulfilled, in a few weeks probably.

stand.geek,
Keymap Editor doesn't support defining macros at thiis time at least.

If you build firmware from source code with macro definitions you can edit keymap including the macros in Keymap Editor theoretically. But you won't need Keymap Editor in fact when you can write and compile source code :D

Alps64 default firmware doesn't include any macro definitions you can't use macro(ACTION_MACRO) in keymap.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: stand.geek on Sun, 10 September 2017, 06:27:36
Beetwaaf,
Leftover sale will start soon after GB is fulfilled, in a few weeks probably.

stand.geek,
Keymap Editor doesn't support defining macros at thiis time at least.

If you build firmware from source code with macro definitions you can edit keymap including the macros in Keymap Editor theoretically. But you won't need Keymap Editor in fact when you can write and compile source code :D

Alps64 default firmware doesn't include any macro definitions you can't use macro(ACTION_MACRO) in keymap.

Ah too bad  :(

So I think this is the right time to start learning about firmware  ;D
Any simple tutorial / documentation as a starting point?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 12 September 2017, 20:34:53
Beetwaaf,
Leftover sale will start soon after GB is fulfilled, in a few weeks probably.

stand.geek,
Keymap Editor doesn't support defining macros at thiis time at least.

If you build firmware from source code with macro definitions you can edit keymap including the macros in Keymap Editor theoretically. But you won't need Keymap Editor in fact when you can write and compile source code :D

Alps64 default firmware doesn't include any macro definitions you can't use macro(ACTION_MACRO) in keymap.

Ah too bad  :(

So I think this is the right time to start learning about firmware  ;D
Any simple tutorial / documentation as a starting point?

You can refer to this keymap doc and  my keymap as an example. No further documentation for MACRO you may have to look into tmk_core source code.

https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/doc/keymap.md
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/hhkb/keymap_hasu.c#L219-L239
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/common/action_macro.h
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: stand.geek on Wed, 13 September 2017, 04:35:49
Beetwaaf,
Leftover sale will start soon after GB is fulfilled, in a few weeks probably.

stand.geek,
Keymap Editor doesn't support defining macros at thiis time at least.

If you build firmware from source code with macro definitions you can edit keymap including the macros in Keymap Editor theoretically. But you won't need Keymap Editor in fact when you can write and compile source code :D

Alps64 default firmware doesn't include any macro definitions you can't use macro(ACTION_MACRO) in keymap.

Ah too bad  :(

So I think this is the right time to start learning about firmware  ;D
Any simple tutorial / documentation as a starting point?

You can refer to this keymap doc and  my keymap as an example. No further documentation for MACRO you may have to look into tmk_core source code.

https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/doc/keymap.md
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/hhkb/keymap_hasu.c#L219-L239
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/common/action_macro.h

Alright thanks! will look into it right now  :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: kmba on Fri, 15 September 2017, 08:35:15
I bought the FR-4 plate to try out with my blue alps build, but I've never typed on a board with a plate like this.  What's it going to feel like?  very flexible? 
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Fri, 15 September 2017, 20:35:38
I bought the FR-4 plate to try out with my blue alps build, but I've never typed on a board with a plate like this.  What's it going to feel like?  very flexible? 

I'm also curious about what people say on FR-4 plate comparing to steel. Try it yourself and share your thought!

I have one with FR-4+blue switches and other with cutout AEK plate+orange and both have plastic Poker X case. I could not find difference in terms of firmness on those two. On Poker style case design plate is completely floating and not fixed on any of PCB and case, unlike some of custom design keyboards. I think, in this case plate plays role primary to align switches laterally and it has enough horizontal hardness for that while it has virtually no or the least effect on reinfocing vertically. Case material and structure may have more effect on overall firmness and feel, I don't have any heavy metal case to compare though.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: kmba on Wed, 20 September 2017, 07:07:51
Got my shipping notification. Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: pabile on Wed, 20 September 2017, 07:47:06
I bought the FR-4 plate to try out with my blue alps build, but I've never typed on a board with a plate like this.  What's it going to feel like?  very flexible?
no noticeable flex difference here also. fr-4+blues in plastic case VS SS+salmon in alum pok3r case.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [10th GB 2017/Aug]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 21 September 2017, 11:24:19
[GB Update]
All paid orders were shipped until yesterday. You will receive tracking number from Japan Post in a few days.

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 21 September 2017, 12:26:12
Sorry if this has been covered before, lots of pages to look through.  I've dealt with SP alps caps now and I understand the stabilizer situation.  I would like to avoid making my own wires again like I did the last time.

Has anyone found an off-the-shelf plate with either plate-mounted cherry or costar stabilizers that works with this PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: hasu on Fri, 22 September 2017, 18:40:50
[Leftover Sale]
Currently leftover pcbs from UK GB(2017/04) are available. It is identical electrically and has no confirmed flaw.

Differences from the latest 10th GB(2017/08) PCB are only two:
1) It has Alps logo instead of TMK logo.
2) It has no breakout pads for unused pins(C4, C6, C7).

This is pcb from UK GB.
(http://i.imgur.com/Bb5H3pl.png)

This is the latest revision of pcb for reference.
(https://i.imgur.com/3tVMc1K.png)

Check the first post. Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: pabile on Sat, 23 September 2017, 03:39:07
wow! those black PCBs looks awesome. i wish i have a budget for a 3rd build....
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: skidude9678 on Sat, 23 September 2017, 21:03:11
Just soldered the diodes and loaded firmware, works great! Fits absolutely perfect in my Pok3r case. Now just crossing my fingers that the plate I ordered from Lasergist works as I hope it does.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 23 September 2017, 21:08:45
Well, I've fixed the issue with that -,=,[,] and / not working by simply replicating the A-face connections on the B-face. Looks like I've killed some diodes during desoldering and most likely damaged few traces.
Now the board looks awful, but at least it's working. Time to flash firmware.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 25 September 2017, 03:54:00
Lol, can't flash it now.
Steps:
1. Created KBPv60-like layout at http://www.tmk-kbd.com
2. Downloaded unimap.hex.
3. Installed Flip with JRE included, launched it and connected to the keyboard.
4. Selected unimap (load HEX) and tried to start application but it fails with "Could not write to USB device"

It looks like the PCB enters bootloader mode for several seconds only, cause when the keyboard is responsive, Flip returns "Could not open USB device", then I press the button and able to open connection. After I select hex to flash and press "start application" it just returns that "Could not write to USB device" and keyboard is active again.

Unfortunatelly, dfu-programmer doesn't even start on my system now, so I'm stuck with Flip, unless it is possible to flash it with msys
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 25 September 2017, 22:48:52
did you check "troubleshooting" section on wiki and try to reinstall driver?
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki#flash-firmware
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: Thebonuslevel on Tue, 26 September 2017, 00:37:00
Any US leftovers available, from the 10th GB? It said they would be avail 9/24.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 26 September 2017, 06:20:20
Leftovers from 10th GB will be avaiable soon in a few weeks probably, if you don't mind making payment early and wating for the weeks email me I'm happy to send invoice.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 27 September 2017, 01:30:10
Thanks, Hasu.
Actually, it wasn't a driver issue, but incorrect instructions in the forum message (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg1993990#msg1993990):
Quote
Make the layout you want and export the hex file with the button at the bottom.  Open up the copy of FLiP you downloaded and plug in your keyboard.  Press the chip button on the left, and select your chip.  This PCB uses the ATmega32u2.  Then click the next button to the right and connect via USB, opening the connection.  While doing this, press the button on the back of your PCB.  It may take a few tries to connect correctly.  When you get it, load your hex file and Start Application.

The part Run operations is ommited here, but in your link it is there and I was able to flash the board.

The flash was successful and I'm typing this on my new board with SKCM whites and DSA LC.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 September 2017, 04:01:44
Thanks, Hasu.
Actually, it wasn't a driver issue, but incorrect instructions in the forum message (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg1993990#msg1993990):
Quote
Make the layout you want and export the hex file with the button at the bottom.  Open up the copy of FLiP you downloaded and plug in your keyboard.  Press the chip button on the left, and select your chip.  This PCB uses the ATmega32u2.  Then click the next button to the right and connect via USB, opening the connection.  While doing this, press the button on the back of your PCB.  It may take a few tries to connect correctly.  When you get it, load your hex file and Start Application.

The part Run operations is ommited here, but in your link it is there and I was able to flash the board.

The flash was successful and I'm typing this on my new board with SKCM whites and DSA LC.

Thanks for feedback!
Updated first post and it refers wiki page on github in 'Program Controller' section now.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: mseaworthy on Wed, 27 September 2017, 10:27:58
@Hasu

Do you think this new case from KBDFans will work with your current plate and PCB?

https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/pre-orderkbdfans-5-60-case
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 September 2017, 11:55:38
@Hasu

Do you think this new case from KBDFans will work with your current plate and PCB?

https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/pre-orderkbdfans-5-60-case
it seems to me it is poker compatible, I think so.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: mseaworthy on Wed, 27 September 2017, 12:26:24
@Hasu

Do you think this new case from KBDFans will work with your current plate and PCB?

https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/pre-orderkbdfans-5-60-case
it seems to me it is poker compatible, I think so.

Thanks. Going to give it a try. Let you know how it fits.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: kmba on Wed, 27 September 2017, 16:29:41
@Hasu

Do you think this new case from KBDFans will work with your current plate and PCB?

https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/pre-orderkbdfans-5-60-case

should fit
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 27 September 2017, 16:52:13
Even if it won't I'll make it. That teal one will be perfect with DSA Lightcycle.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 28 September 2017, 07:15:35
[Leftover Sale]
You can order pcbs from leftovers of 10th GB now. Those PCBs need to be assembled and checked this weekend and It will take probably a week or two until shipping.

Please check first post.

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: kmba on Thu, 28 September 2017, 17:47:10
Mine arrived two days ago but just got to it today.  The fr-4 plate is pretty nice, definitely going to use it.  Now begins the slow process of disassembling and cleaning blue alps :o
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: skidude9678 on Sat, 30 September 2017, 18:57:33
Received my plate from Lasergist today, fit perfectly. Soldered some SKCM Orange switches on and topped it with DSA Light Cycle. Works fantastic! This PCB has been an excellent base, I will probably buy another in the near future. Now just to wait on a cyan case from KBDfans.

(https://i.imgur.com/zwbTnDe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gy7fUlz.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: smithyithy on Sat, 30 September 2017, 19:30:04
Received my plate from Lasergist today, fit perfectly. Soldered some SKCM Orange switches on and topped it with DSA Light Cycle. Works fantastic! This PCB has been an excellent base, I will probably buy another in the near future. Now just to wait on a cyan case from KBDfans.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/zwbTnDe.jpg)


(https://media.tenor.com/images/090e4e1a887679072148ac379d6dd8fa/tenor.gif)

Gotta start building my boards soon...

I've got SKCM Cream Damped here, and some SKCM Brown and Orange on the way  :p
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: skidude9678 on Sat, 30 September 2017, 19:38:29
You going to build 3 of them? Would love to try some cream damped to see how they compare to the orange. Only other tactile alps I've tried is salmon.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: smithyithy on Sat, 30 September 2017, 19:48:30
Yeah, I got some of the UK edition PCBs brought over so figured I'd order a few and make the most of it, plus there's a few switch and cap combinations I want to build up so it'll be a nice little collection I guess.

I tried some lubed and spring-swapped Oranges at the MKUK meetup recently and they were fantastic, so I've got some being built up for me. The Cream Damped I got quite cheap, they're quite rough though, and I imagine the Browns I have coming will be too as they've just been desoldered from an old IBM. I think I'll need to try ans get them ultrasonic cleaned, hopefully that'll restore them
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: smithyithy on Tue, 10 October 2017, 04:28:04
Has anyone built a 'proper' HHKB layout with an Alps64 and if so, what keycaps are you using? I have a KBDFans Tina on the way which has the HHKB layout allowing the 6u space, but I'm unsure what keycaps (new or old) would be compatible with this..
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: RealLaugh on Tue, 10 October 2017, 04:51:25
Received my plate from Lasergist today, fit perfectly. Soldered some SKCM Orange switches on and topped it with DSA Light Cycle. Works fantastic! This PCB has been an excellent base, I will probably buy another in the near future. Now just to wait on a cyan case from KBDfans.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/zwbTnDe.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/gy7fUlz.jpg)


What stabalizers did you use?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: skidude9678 on Tue, 10 October 2017, 05:13:52
Costar style from a KBP V80. The biggest thing needed for me to get them to fit was a completely straight wire without the bend in the middle, which is why I took them from my V80 as the ones I bought online had the bend, which impacted the switch housing.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 10 October 2017, 07:33:10
Has anyone built a 'proper' HHKB layout with an Alps64 and if so, what keycaps are you using? I have a KBDFans Tina on the way which has the HHKB layout allowing the 6u space, but I'm unsure what keycaps (new or old) would be compatible with this..

Yes, I built mine in HHKB layout. I used Alpine Winter keycaps.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.0
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: smithyithy on Tue, 10 October 2017, 07:48:52
Cheers, I have Alpine Winter, but currently using it in a traditional 'Pok3r' 50% layout. I think that's the only 6u space I've been able to find though..
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: nurbs on Sun, 15 October 2017, 06:45:36
These still available? Sent you an email!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: 6FeaT on Sun, 15 October 2017, 07:34:00
These still available? Sent you an email!

I'm pretty sure they were out of stock as of yesterday.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: Kafka on Sun, 15 October 2017, 14:08:20
Where to get an alps 60 pcb now :thinking:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 15 October 2017, 14:11:05
Where to get an alps 60 pcb now :thinking:

Wait for him to run them again, or /r/mm. I don't believe there are other options.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: zacheadams on Sun, 15 October 2017, 14:43:59
Where to get an alps 60 pcb now :thinking:

Where to get an alps 60 pcb now :thinking:

Wait for him to run them again, or /r/mm. I don't believe there are other options.

He can wait for these to come back after revisions too:
https://clueboard.co/parts/clueboard-60-pcb
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover]
Post by: nurbs on Sun, 15 October 2017, 16:42:04
Where to get an alps 60 pcb now :thinking:

Wait for him to run them again, or /r/mm. I don't believe there are other options.

Just got a reply from Jun.  Said it will run again within the month.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 15 October 2017, 19:05:50
[PreOrder]
Leftover pcbs from last round have all gone and out of stock now.
Next batch of the pcb will be available within a month. Anyway I will order componetns enough to assembly some tens of pcb soon.

If you don't mind paying earlier and waiting for several weeks you can place order now. Check first post please.

Thank you

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: neralo on Mon, 16 October 2017, 20:55:21
I accidentally bought an AEK64, so I'm gonna be waiting patiently for the next round of alps64 now. Smh I knew i should have bought one earlier.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: Marvellion on Mon, 23 October 2017, 13:04:44
Hey Hasu, if this is the wrong place to ask this, sorry. Any chance for the split space support before this year ends?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 23 October 2017, 22:59:17
Hey Hasu, if this is the wrong place to ask this, sorry. Any chance for the split space support before this year ends?

No plan at this time.
But like to hear about preferable layout of bottom row and source of keycaps from you guys for future refrence.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: Marvellion on Tue, 24 October 2017, 00:34:37
Hey Hasu, if this is the wrong place to ask this, sorry. Any chance for the split space support before this year ends?

No plan at this time.
But like to hear about preferable layout of bottom row and source of keycaps from you guys for future refrence.

Splitting the spacebar as 2.75/1.25/2.25 or the reverse would be nice for the basic split spacebar layout. But  I don't know if finding Alps keycaps would be easy for this layout ( I'm going for either SP keycaps or MX converters).
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: neralo on Tue, 24 October 2017, 00:46:29
Hey Hasu, if this is the wrong place to ask this, sorry. Any chance for the split space support before this year ends?

No plan at this time.
But like to hear about preferable layout of bottom row and source of keycaps from you guys for future refrence.

wonder if its possible to do something with the M0116 layout.

https://deskthority.net/wiki/Apple_Standard_Keyboard

Its so wonderfully weird.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: mwhy on Wed, 25 October 2017, 14:55:02
Hi I'm quite new to this so please don't crucify me if it is a dumb question. So my question is if this pcb supports the "infinity" layout with a split right shift and 4 keys right from the spacebar, because it is not listed with the supported layouts but looking at the pcb it looks to me like it would work and also there is a xdf file with a plate for that layout.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: amatecha on Wed, 25 October 2017, 16:53:02
[PreOrder]
Leftover pcbs from last round have all gone and out of stock now.
Next batch of the pcb will be available within a month. Anyway I will order componetns enough to assembly some tens of pcb soon.

If you don't mind paying earlier and waiting for several weeks you can place order now. Check first post please.

Thank you

Emailed you hasu :)   Thanks.  Just picked up an old Apple Extended Keyboard II so I can build with this PCB + plate!  :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: hasu on Wed, 25 October 2017, 20:21:27
Hi I'm quite new to this so please don't crucify me if it is a dumb question. So my question is if this pcb supports the "infinity" layout with a split right shift and 4 keys right from the spacebar, because it is not listed with the supported layouts but looking at the pcb it looks to me like it would work and also there is a xdf file with a plate for that layout.

Yes, it supports Infinity layout.
You can put together from any of Bottom row, Top right(backspace), Left shift, Right shift and Enter configurations listed in 'Supported Layouts',  press 'MORE' to see detail. Images in the section are just examples, that do not display all combinations of the configurations.

you need "Infinity"(1.5+1+1.5 spc 1.5+1+1+1.5) configuration for "Bottom row",  "HHKB like Split Backspace"(1+1) for "Top right" and "HHKB like Shift + Fn"(1.75+1) for "Right shift".

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: heavyheaded on Sun, 29 October 2017, 20:43:19
Any chance of getting classic ALPS logo on next round for US?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 30 October 2017, 22:44:19
Any chance of getting classic ALPS logo on next round for US?

Probably no.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: uaix on Sat, 04 November 2017, 12:34:20
There are so many leftovers parts from building alps64 board. Any plans on alps20/alps24 aka numpad pcb?   ;D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 04 November 2017, 15:30:44
There are so many leftovers parts from building alps64 board. Any plans on alps20/alps24 aka numpad pcb?   ;D

currently no plan but I'm still kind of interested in numpad pcb.
Is there any standard case design for diy numpad like Poker for 60%? I don't have skill and fund for new case production, unless numpad case is available it won't happen.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder]
Post by: tristinDLC on Sun, 05 November 2017, 06:35:46
currently no plan but I'm still kind of interested in numpad pcb.
Is there any standard case design for diy numpad like Poker for 60%? I don't have skill and fund for new case production, unless numpad case is available it won't happen.

Maybe a partnership can be made to make this happen... there are only a few places selling numpads separately from their cases, but I wouldn't say there is a general numpad design people are using. If you can come up with the PCB magic, maybe I can come up with the case magic. Share some of the costs to make a great product.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 09 November 2017, 13:22:29
[GB Update]
All of paid orders from current GB(11th) were just shipped until yesterday, tracking number will be sent to your paypal email by Japan Post within 3-4 days.

Next batch(12th) will be done till Dec 10 and you can place preorder. please check first post.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: DasGnome on Sun, 12 November 2017, 20:41:51
Hi everyone,

I recently did an Alps64 build, but I'm having some problems. I used the QMK port (just the default to test it) and qmk toolbox to flash it, and it works fine...but only on one computer. It works on the computer I flashed it on, but it doesn't even show up in my device manager or in qmk toolbox on the other. Anyone know what the problem could be?

Update: I tried it at work, and it seems that it'll work if I press my thumb down on the connector. I'm not sure why it works without a hitch on my laptop, but maybe there is a bad solder joint?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 13 November 2017, 23:49:31
Hi everyone,

I recently did an Alps64 build, but I'm having some problems. I used the QMK port (just the default to test it) and qmk toolbox to flash it, and it works fine...but only on one computer. It works on the computer I flashed it on, but it doesn't even show up in my device manager or in qmk toolbox on the other. Anyone know what the problem could be?

Update: I tried it at work, and it seems that it'll work if I press my thumb down on the connector. I'm not sure why it works without a hitch on my laptop, but maybe there is a bad solder joint?

Tried other cables? If it is not bad cable it would be solder joint unfortunately.

I hope this problem doesn't happen on user site but ...
To fix solder joint of USB connector you need a drop of flux on pins(if you have) and a very little bit of solder on iron tip, then give heat on the pins for a few secs one by one. You may also need magnifier to check pins before and after soldering.

EDIT: Contact me if you have bad solder joints before trying fix.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: amatecha on Thu, 16 November 2017, 15:38:41
I got my PCB and plate -- thanks hasu!  Haven't started build yet, but looking forward to it  ^_^
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: amatecha on Mon, 20 November 2017, 16:50:18
Build complete!  The default firmware is a bit crazy though -- why does it assume Capslock is LCtrl?   It wasn't mentioned at all in the Assembly instructions so I didn't even think to solder a normal switch in the Capslock position (I used the locking switch).  The "Windows" key on the right side confused me at first too, making me think I had a faulty switch because it wasn't activating the Windows key command on the first press.

Anyway, looks pretty nice.  I used a cheap black case from kdbfans.com for my enclosure.  Switches are SKCM Cream Damped from a 1989 Apple Extended Keyboard II.  Cleaned the keycaps using OxiClean soaked for ~15min or so :)

Finished build:

(https://i.imgur.com/7uHftmy.jpg)

Now to build a customized firmware image... :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 20 November 2017, 19:00:05
Thanks for feedback.
I see. Simple plain keymap would be proper for test after first build.  Many of users seem to use AEK keycaps, keymap matches to the legends will be less confusing for users. I may update default keymap some later.

Current default keymap is intended to offer kind of practical use from the begining and is configured like this, btw.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/alps64/unimap_plain.c
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/unimap/?alps64
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: amatecha on Wed, 22 November 2017, 15:29:49
I think just if you added the explanation about the default firmware in the Assembly instructions (as well as suggesting using a normal switch in the capslock position) it would clear up confusion.

Now that I'm using the keyboard, I actually agree with the idea of using the Capslock as the Function key -- then I can use the Command/Option/Control/Shift keys at the lower right as arrow keys!  :)   Now I'll have to change the switch back to a normal one (instead of the locking switch), I think :)

BTW, I wanted to say, thanks for making such a convenient keymap editor.  It works really well, and is quite straightforward overall.  So, thanks for that!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: Marvellion on Thu, 23 November 2017, 07:39:21
Hey Hasu, I just got the PCB and it seems there is a part that got ripped off during shipping. I did not solder it or anything else, it it safe to do so? PCB is from another member but it's completely unused and diodes are not soldered yet.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171123/d4935adf779773fba883ca9bc9c7df43.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 23 November 2017, 17:40:41
Hey Hasu, I just got the PCB and it seems there is a part that got ripped off during shipping. I did not solder it or anything else, it it safe to do so? PCB is from another member but it's completely unused and diodes are not soldered yet.
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171123/d4935adf779773fba883ca9bc9c7df43.jpg)



Sorry for that.
The keyboard will work normaly without the button but you have to make short circuit between two of contacts with tweezer when you flash firmware.
It seems pads and component are still safe. To fix it you will need solder wick, flux and tweezer at least. Let me know if you want to try and are not sure how to fix.

I can fix it for you if you can afford postage.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: Marvellion on Thu, 23 November 2017, 22:44:25


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Sorry for that.
The keyboard will work normaly without the button but you have to make short circuit between two of contacts with tweezer when you flash firmware.
It seems pads and component are still safe. To fix it you will need solder wick, flux and tweezer at least. Let me know if you want to try and are not sure how to fix.

I can fix it for you if you can afford postage.
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Whew, that's good to know, thanks. I should be able to solder it if you could give me some directions on how to do it. And between the 4 contacts, which ones do I short circuit, a single left and right one or lower and higher?

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 25 November 2017, 01:45:57
Whew, that's good to know, thanks. I should be able to solder it if you could give me some directions on how to do it. And between the 4 contacts, which ones do I short circuit, a single left and right one or lower and higher?

You can make short circuit between either nearer pair to turn controller into flash mode, this is what the button does.

I would solder like below.
1. apply flux on pads and remove solder with wick.
2. clean and wipe pcb with IPA if available.
3. apply flux on pads again
4. apply little bit of flux on contacts of button switch with care.
5. clean iron tip and put solder on it
6. put the switch on proper position with tweezer
7. solder just one of contacts. retry if its placement is not good.
8. solder other three contacts. don't solder them until the switch is placed at right position.

(https://i.imgur.com/znQSkf4.jpg)

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: Marvellion on Sat, 25 November 2017, 07:21:06
Whew, that's good to know, thanks. I should be able to solder it if you could give me some directions on how to do it. And between the 4 contacts, which ones do I short circuit, a single left and right one or lower and higher?

You can make short circuit between either nearer pair to turn controller into flash mode, this is what the button does.

I would solder like below.
1. apply flux on pads and remove solder with wick.
2. clean and wipe pcb with IPA if available.
3. apply flux on pads again
4. apply little bit of flux on contacts of button switch with care.
5. clean iron tip and put solder on it
6. put the switch on proper position with tweezer
7. solder just one of contacts. retry if its placement is not good.
8. solder other three contacts. don't solder them until the switch is placed at right position.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/znQSkf4.jpg)


Hope this helps.

Done, the instructions were super helpful, thanks a lot Hasu.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Tue, 05 December 2017, 17:57:46
[GB Update]

PCB manufacturing is delaying and they will be delivered to me around Dec 11th. Assembly and testing will take 5-10 days. At this point estimated shipping date will be 18-22th. Sorry for the delay.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: tristinDLC on Wed, 06 December 2017, 04:52:18
How long do you plan on continuing to make runs of these? Unfortunately, times have gotten a little tight and I may have to pass along a complete AEKII board kit to get a little money on the books (PCB, plate, included diodes, appropriate keycaps, and the option of a basic case or two), but I refuse to give up this nice project.

I love your work and I just want to make sure I can pick another [relatively soon] when I am ready... will there be a few more runs in the works?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 07 December 2017, 13:06:28
Just wanted to share my build here.
It's been a year till all components reached me.

(https://i.imgur.com/GMiRIlR.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: Trente on Thu, 07 December 2017, 17:59:48
Just wanted to share my build here.
It's been a year till all components reached me.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/GMiRIlR.jpg)


This looks super awesome and motivating as just got my 5 degree case and still wondering if I should do a build with SKCM amber and alps 64 PCB. But I really want to use a carbon fiber plate which has both mx and alps support so I can easily applies the two blocker onto the board,
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 07 December 2017, 20:32:03
tristinDLC, I'm going to open GB several months at least and  followed by leftover sale.

FearsomeCubedWarrior, looks nice. what is that keycaps?
The stepped capslock seems to be 1.5u(highland part) and I never seen it for Alps switch as far as I researched.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [PreOrder 12th GB]
Post by: eksuen@Drop on Fri, 08 December 2017, 00:20:08
tristinDLC, I'm going to open GB several months at least and  followed by leftover sale.

FearsomeCubedWarrior, looks nice. what is that keycaps?
The stepped capslock seems to be 1.5u(highland part) and I never seen it for Alps switch as far as I researched.

The keycaps are DSA LightCycle
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Shipped - 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Wed, 20 December 2017, 04:35:50
[GB Update]
Hi all,
Sorry for the delay.
All of orders from current GB(12th) were shipped until today. You will email with tracking number from Japan Post at your "paypal email address" within several days.  Japan Post mail system is a bit sketchy you will have to be patient. If you don't receieve the email until next Tuesday(26) check junk mail folder and then email me at hasu@tmk-kbd.com and let me know your invoice number or your paypal email.

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Shipped - 12th GB]
Post by: loud_asian on Sun, 07 January 2018, 23:54:02
Are there any extras? I need 4 PCBs
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Shipped - 12th GB]
Post by: hasu on Mon, 08 January 2018, 06:05:09
Are there any extras? I need 4 PCBs

Currently out of stock.

I'm planning on next GB now, whose estimated shipping date is end of February. If you can wait you can preorder pcbs, email me.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 13 January 2018, 03:10:39
[13 th GB Open]
Just updated the first post for next round, check it and email me if you re interested.
Current estimated shipping date is end of Feb.

Thank you!

Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: Haroxicos on Sat, 13 January 2018, 10:53:31
Hello,
I’m looking for AEK keycap spares for the build of an 60% AEK with the Hasu Alps64 PCB.
As Hasu’s plate only support ansi layout and I’ve an ISO FR AEK II, I need the ainsi modifiers (pictured in blue).
(https://i.imgur.com/amle0aM.jpg)
I’ve looked on ebay to buy a full keyboard but the shipping fees are more expensive than the keyboard itself…. So if you have them let me know the price. I live in France.
Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: P00ge on Sat, 13 January 2018, 12:28:32
Im looking to build one of these will Orange Alps and was wondering how the PCB plate feels compared to a metal plate. Any help in this would be greatly appreciated, Thank you.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: smithyithy on Sun, 14 January 2018, 11:53:59
Just a quick question:

Is there any issue with soldering the diodes on the top (plate) side of the PCB?

On my first build, I did them on the bottom, but with my second build, it looks like a couple of them will hit the inside of the case I intend to use, so I may just solder them all on the top side of the PCB if there is no functional difference..
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: tanvir175 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 12:15:35
[13 th GB Open]
Just updated the first post for next round, check it and email me if you re interested.
Current estimated shipping date is end of Feb.

Thank you!

Hasu,

I'm sorry if you've been asked this a million times before but are there any plans for a 65% version of this PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: smithyithy on Thu, 18 January 2018, 06:40:13
(https://i.imgur.com/XYetxy8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/lqgMKyr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SWrsp6W.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vIFsajt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZVxurmg.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 18 January 2018, 07:50:58
[13 th GB Open]
Just updated the first post for next round, check it and email me if you re interested.
Current estimated shipping date is end of Feb.

Thank you!

Are 103 plates going to be available?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 18 January 2018, 08:21:20
[13 th GB Open]
Just updated the first post for next round, check it and email me if you re interested.
Current estimated shipping date is end of Feb.

Thank you!

Hasu,

I'm sorry if you've been asked this a million times before but are there any plans for a 65% version of this PCB?

And which "standard" case would you use with the PCB and plate? That has always been the problem with anything outside of 60%. There is just no standard for case options like there is with the "standard" set by the Poker cases. Almost every 60% case uses those same mounting hole locations.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: tanvir175 on Thu, 18 January 2018, 13:35:48
[13 th GB Open]
Just updated the first post for next round, check it and email me if you re interested.
Current estimated shipping date is end of Feb.

Thank you!

Hasu,

I'm sorry if you've been asked this a million times before but are there any plans for a 65% version of this PCB?

And which "standard" case would you use with the PCB and plate? That has always been the problem with anything outside of 60%. There is just no standard for case options like there is with the "standard" set by the Poker cases. Almost every 60% case uses those same mounting hole locations.

I asked KBDFans if there is going to be a 65% version of the 5 degree case coming and they confirmed it will happen eventually with compatibility for the TADA68, which also already has high and low profile aluminum cases. Not sure if that's considered "standard" or not. There's also the Bold Case for the 22mini from Winkeyless. Again, not sure if "standard."
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 18 January 2018, 21:39:48
[13 th GB Open]
Just updated the first post for next round, check it and email me if you re interested.
Current estimated shipping date is end of Feb.

Thank you!

Hasu,

I'm sorry if you've been asked this a million times before but are there any plans for a 65% version of this PCB?

I have no plan on 65% keyboard at this time.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: pabile on Thu, 18 January 2018, 21:46:58


I have no plan on 65% keyboard at this time.

May i suggest standard TKL rather than non-standard layout pls
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 18 January 2018, 22:57:56
[13 th GB Open]
Just updated the first post for next round, check it and email me if you re interested.
Current estimated shipping date is end of Feb.

Thank you!

Are 103 plates going to be available?

Not available in this GB at least.



With Alps switches it cannot be possible(or very difficult) to make "universal" layout plate unlike Cherry plate. We will have to decide  which keyboard is supported before design plate.

As for bottom row in 103(101) it can have various configurations of stab and switch position, for example, Omnikey ULTRA and Ominikey 101 are different apparently.
http://sandy55.fc2web.com/keyboard/omniultra/plate1_vga.jpg
http://cdn.overclock.net/1/15/900x900px-LL-15fea91e_29fpe1c.jpeg

That said, it seem that Dell 101, SGI 101 and Omnikey 101 share same or compatible configuration, we can make a plate that fits with keycaps and stabs from those keyboards. Just after wrote this, I found capslock is not compatible with Ominikey 101 :(


For reference, emdude has alreadly plate design file for Dell 101(probably also supports SGI 101) in this thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.msg2201282#msg2201282
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: jackofclubs on Sun, 04 February 2018, 00:37:14
Hey! I’m a bit confused with the wording with shipping. Will this round ship all at once at the end of February? Or individually as orders come in?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 04 February 2018, 01:09:29
Hey! I’m a bit confused with the wording with shipping. Will this round ship all at once at the end of February? Or individually as orders come in?


I'll ship pcbs out earlier when some amount(5-10?) are ready, order paid earlier will ship first basically. In fact assembly and shipping started and some were already sent out. Many of orders will be shipped before that date but the last order is expected to be shipped until end of this month.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: smithyithy on Tue, 06 February 2018, 03:25:17
Tina, Alps64, custom copper plate, linear-modded un-damped Creams w/ 70cn springs.

Will be putting DCS Alpine Witner on this in 7u HHKB layout, just need to sort out the stabilizers really.

I had originally click-modded the damped Creams after refurbing them but IO just wasn't happy with the consistency, so removed the leafs to make them linear. Not the perfect switch, granted, but they' re smooth and have a nice clack on the bottom-out.

(https://i.imgur.com/sRgjS1c.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/oI1DucY.jpg?1)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 06 February 2018, 19:41:04
Tina, Alps64, custom copper plate, linear-modded un-damped Creams w/ 70cn springs.

Will be putting DCS Alpine Witner on this in 7u HHKB layout, just need to sort out the stabilizers really.

I had originally click-modded the damped Creams after refurbing them but IO just wasn't happy with the consistency, so removed the leafs to make them linear. Not the perfect switch, granted, but they' re smooth and have a nice clack on the bottom-out.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sRgjS1c.jpg?1)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/oI1DucY.jpg?1)


Looks great!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: smithyithy on Wed, 07 February 2018, 03:16:27
Thanks dude,

Completed photo here:

(https://i.imgur.com/qK6r88D.jpg?1)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 10 February 2018, 01:08:11
How do you like that copper plate?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Open - 13th GB]
Post by: smithyithy on Mon, 12 February 2018, 10:15:02
It's nice, these are my first linear Alps switches so the typing feel is a bit different, I tend to bottom out on them more easily but they have quite a nice sound.

I realised I forgot to add any dampening to the case when I assembled it so I need to get round to that, should 'deaden' the sound more.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: hasu on Sat, 17 February 2018, 03:01:52
[13th GB Update]
Hi folks,
All paid orders were shipped as of Feb 16, you will receive email with tracking number from Japan Post in next several days.  Be patient and check junk mail folder too, the mail is disposed to be recognized as spam.

Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: Haroxicos on Sat, 17 February 2018, 08:12:05
Received mine today!
Thanks!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: Forvitni on Sun, 25 February 2018, 09:21:13
Quick question everyone, is my best bet to just buy an Apple Extended II off of ebay and salvage the switches and keycaps? Are there any nice aftermarket keycap options available? Also let me know if anyone can recommend someone or perform an assembly for me (paid for of course). It has been awhile since I have soldered anything and I would rather not mess this up.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: tanvir175 on Sun, 25 February 2018, 13:21:13
Received mine a few days ago. It came only a couple days after I got the tracking which was a very pleasant surprise.

It will be a while before I test it and build it because I'm still in the midst of cleaning the orange alps I harvested from an AEK.

Edit: Actually I'll probably wait for the Modern M0110 to build it so it might take a very long time to build it
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: amatecha on Fri, 02 March 2018, 14:00:04
Quick question everyone, is my best bet to just buy an Apple Extended II off of ebay and salvage the switches and keycaps?

Yeah this is basically what I did (except I bought it from a local secondhand shop rather than eBay).  It's very easy to de-solder all the switches but you will want a "solder sucker" (or solder wick) for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: tanvir175 on Sat, 10 March 2018, 14:13:35
Is there any place I can buy alps stabilizer parts? Will the Matias ones work?

I need the bottom portion, the one that goes in the plate. I could swear that I harvested them from the AEK but now I can't find them anywhere.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: maracabanana on Sat, 10 March 2018, 18:53:55
Is there any place I can buy alps stabilizer parts? Will the Matias ones work?

I need the bottom portion, the one that goes in the plate. I could swear that I harvested them from the AEK but now I can't find them anywhere.
Yes, I used Matias stabilizer kit. The part on the plate fits perfect the part on the keycaps needs a little modification and it works!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: tanvir175 on Sat, 10 March 2018, 23:36:59
Is there any place I can buy alps stabilizer parts? Will the Matias ones work?

I need the bottom portion, the one that goes in the plate. I could swear that I harvested them from the AEK but now I can't find them anywhere.
Yes, I used Matias stabilizer kit. The part on the plate fits perfect the part on the keycaps needs a little modification and it works!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for confirming, just ordered them! I still have the keycap parts, I was just unable to find where I placed the plate parts.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 12 March 2018, 04:23:53
Hi, based on these supported layouts, does this mean that I cannot build an Alp64 boards using an Apple M0116? Because I'm getting one delivered soon, and that would mean extra work (plus $) to get all the correct keycaps 🙂

(https://i.imgur.com/dviqQYb.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Apple_%28Standard%29_Keyboard_M0116.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 18 March 2018, 13:50:56
Hi, based on these supported layouts, does this mean that I cannot build an Alp64 boards using an Apple M0116? Because I'm getting one delivered soon, and that would mean extra work (plus $) to get all the correct keycaps 🙂

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/dviqQYb.jpg)


Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Apple_%28Standard%29_Keyboard_M0116.jpg)


sorry for late reply. Alps64 doesn't support M0116 layout.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Closed - 13th GB]
Post by: Tarienn on Sun, 18 March 2018, 13:54:37
Any idea when the next group buy will be? I got my hands on 3 Apple IIc's with Amber Alps. I'm itching to make a Alps64 build out of them :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 18 March 2018, 14:16:17
[GB update][Leftover sale now]
All preorders of Lefover sale(invoice number: 1747 or less) will be shipped tomorrow.

Leftover sale just starts now. Estimated lead time is two weeks to ship.
All components are in stock enough to meet demand for months and PCB are assembled and shipped on regular basis when I have time.


Any idea when the next group buy will be? I got my hands on 3 Apple IIc's with Amber Alps. I'm itching to make a Alps64 build out of them :)

You can get it from Leftover!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: tanvir175 on Sun, 18 March 2018, 14:40:36
[GB update][Leftover sale now]
All preorders of Lefover sale(invoice number: 1747 or less) will be shipped tomorrow.

Leftover sale just starts now. Estimated lead time is two weeks to ship.
All components are in stock enough to meet demand for months and PCB are assembled and shipped on regular basis when I have time.


Any idea when the next group buy will be? I got my hands on 3 Apple IIc's with Amber Alps. I'm itching to make a Alps64 build out of them :)

You can get it from Leftover!

Placed an order for 1 PCB in anticipation for the Modern M0110. Thanks Hasu! Also do you sell your HHKB Controller in batches as well or will I have to get it from somewhere like 1upkeyboards?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:20:02
Placed an order for 1 PCB in anticipation for the Modern M0110. Thanks Hasu! Also do you sell your HHKB Controller in batches as well or will I have to get it from somewhere like 1upkeyboards?

Thanks for the order!

of couse, you can buy HHKB controller from me here. If you need them in bulk email me I can offer discount.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71517.0
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: Snappo on Sun, 25 March 2018, 18:02:46
Hi All,

How do I add support to this for an alps locking switch on the caps lock?

Thanks,
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: hasu on Sun, 25 March 2018, 18:14:49
Hi All,

How do I add support to this for an alps locking switch on the caps lock?

Thanks,

See this. Alps64 firmware is built with enabling those options by default. Just use 'KC_LCAP' instead of 'KC_CAPS'.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/#mechanical-locking-support


Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: tanvir175 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 18:47:20
Is any 60% plate compatible with the Alps64 PCB?

I am looking for a universal plate that can fit Alps SKCC switches. Someone on Reddit said they fit rather well in MX switch plates, which I found to be true.

The pins for the SKCC switches look the same as the SKCM switches so I don't think I have anything to worry about there but they don't fit the fr4 plate from this GB.

I'm looking for a 60% plate that can be used with the Alps64 PCB and supports mx switches in the HHKB layout.

If I'm not mistaken, Alps64 supports hhkb layout right? The infinity layout has split backspace and 7u spacebar. I would just need two 1.5u blockers.

I was looking at the sentraq plate. https://sentraq.com/products/60-aluminum-plate-1

Does anyone think this will work?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: Snappo on Wed, 28 March 2018, 18:50:42
Hi All,

How do I add support to this for an alps locking switch on the caps lock?

Thanks,

See this. Alps64 firmware is built with enabling those options by default. Just use 'KC_LCAP' instead of 'KC_CAPS'.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/#mechanical-locking-support



Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: hasu on Wed, 28 March 2018, 21:45:06
Is any 60% plate compatible with the Alps64 PCB?

I am looking for a universal plate that can fit Alps SKCC switches. Someone on Reddit said they fit rather well in MX switch plates, which I found to be true.
Interesting.

Quote
The pins for the SKCC switches look the same as the SKCM switches so I don't think I have anything to worry about there but they don't fit the fr4 plate from this GB.

You can insert pins of SKCC to SKCM footprint somehow but not that SKCC is compatible completely.
SKCC switches will be aligned  around 1.5mm onward from where it should be. This might be problem.

You will need to measure dimensions of SKCC with vernier caliper yourself and compare to SKCM ones.

You can get dimension of SKCM in DT wiki easily.
https://deskthority.net/w/images/3/32/Alps_Electric_--_spec_--_5454_31.pdf


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I'm looking for a 60% plate that can be used with the Alps64 PCB and supports mx switches in the HHKB layout.

If I'm not mistaken, Alps64 supports hhkb layout right? The infinity layout has split backspace and 7u spacebar. I would just need two 1.5u blockers.

I was looking at the sentraq plate. https://sentraq.com/products/60-aluminum-plate-1

Does anyone think this will work?

Yes, Alps64 support Right Shift(1.75u) + Fn(1u) layout.


Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: tanvir175 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 23:17:10
Thanks Hasu!

I'll look more into it and report back if I'm successful.

For anyone curious, I bought an IBM 4704 PN 6112884 BNIB from menseldons on ebay. I love the look of the caps but don't care for the huge footprint and tons of relegendable caps much. Decided to desolder it all today and look into making an HHKB style board using the SKCC Green switches and the caps that came with it.
I'm okay with handwiring it once I'm able to confirm if a universal 60% plate will work, if need be, but I noticed it will potentially work with the Alps64 PCB. The only issue in terms of switch placement is that the IBM 4704 using a 1u + 1.25u in place of a 2.25 Enter, which the Alps 64 doesn't support. I'm okay with using a smaller sized keycap, though.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: midnight2903 on Thu, 29 March 2018, 09:46:38
Is there a date for the next GB?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 29 March 2018, 10:08:05
As title and first post says, this GB is in 'Leftover sale' phase now.
I have a fair bit of raw pcb and components in sotck and can put together them in good pace these days.

Orders will be shipped within two weeks after payment basically, unless I get a pile of orders :D
Check 'Leftover sale' section in first post.

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: tobo on Thu, 29 March 2018, 15:05:11
I've just gotten to building this keyboard. Soldered the TH diodes and have about 10 left over. Just want to make sure I don't have to use up all the diodes before soldering the switches since there are no more places indicated on the PCB where any other diodes need to be soldered.

Also kudos to hasu for adding a diode bending tool, came in very handy :) .
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 29 March 2018, 17:47:19
You need just 64 diodes but will get some extras in case they get messed up in soldering.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: Acereconkeys on Tue, 03 April 2018, 14:02:37
I am sorry if this has been asked a million times but would this pcb support this layout?

(https://i.imgur.com/UxGDCaL.jpg)

I see it has support for split backspace and but what about smaller right shift and 1u, 1.5u, 7u, 1.5u, 1u bottom row?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: tanvir175 on Tue, 03 April 2018, 15:55:56
I am sorry if this has been asked a million times but would this pcb support this layout?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UxGDCaL.jpg)


I see it has support for split backspace and but what about smaller right shift and 1u, 1.5u, 7u, 1.5u, 1u bottom row?

It can support the bottom row (look at the infinity layout) and hasu confirmed to me that it can do split right shift a couple posts above.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: Acereconkeys on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:10:59
I am sorry if this has been asked a million times but would this pcb support this layout?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UxGDCaL.jpg)


I see it has support for split backspace and but what about smaller right shift and 1u, 1.5u, 7u, 1.5u, 1u bottom row?

It can support the bottom row (look at the infinity layout) and hasu confirmed to me that it can do split right shift a couple posts above.

Oh awesome I wasn't sure if the infinity layout was 1.5 or 1.25u from the picture left/right of the 7u spacebar.

All the different layouts are weird and there's no central body of knowledge about what is in each one.

Just confirmed the paypal invoice for this so pumped :)
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: TerryMathews on Tue, 03 April 2018, 18:33:03
My dream one would have support for MX spacebars.
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 05 April 2018, 16:27:01
Hey, hasu.  Just wanted to say thanks for my PCB.  This is the hardest project I've done to this date (mainly because I had to cut my own plate from a full size board with a dremel)

I love the layout and I'm impressed with your PCB for accommodating it!

Big Ass Enter key, split right shift and 7u spacebar goodness!

[attachimg=1]

a few more shots here:
https://imgur.com/a/8sS6M


Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: merlin64 on Thu, 05 April 2018, 17:01:36
Hasu, any chance of USB C version of this board?
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: hasu on Thu, 05 April 2018, 20:42:36
Hasu, any chance of USB C version of this board?

Probably no. I'll stick to reliable connector for a while at least.
But I'm interested and may try type-C on other smaller-scale project in future.


@pixelpusher, it looks great! and that BAE :D
Title: Re: [GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps [Leftover Sale - Mar]
Post by: tanvir175 on Wed, 11 April 2018, 23:14:05
Just finished a build that I've been waiting to do for a few months.

Cyan 5 Degree Alps64 with ultrasonic cleaned Orange Alps, harvested from an AEK, and lubed with RO59 (probably incorrectly since it's my first time lubing) and with Japanese AEK (II?) keycaps. (maybe I'll change it to Alps DSA Lightcycle, not sure)

I'll post pictures once I'm able to take good ones but I