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Title: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 26 May 2015, 11:08:29
Hello there!
I am fairly new here and want to discuss current Interest Check on PMK. (Carbon IC on PMK (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/carbon/))

I tried already to gain access to this forum for a few weeks but it seems the EMail services i use has blacklisted this site, so could not get the activation mail. In this case i want to thank "livingspeedbump" who helped me to get here.

My design is the "Carbon" keyset and it is dedicated to the Carbon element (not the Carbon Fiber i like to get rid of this cool kids **** and keep it scientific).
I like to call it better "Kohlenstoff"(german) or "Uglerod"(russian). But lets stay international so nobody is missguided. Anyway i want to say i am not chemist but i got some help from people from reddit who study Chemistry.

I know it has some similarities with "Hackd by Geeks" keyset but as a whole i find it for myself very different.

There are some issues with Novelty kit some of the keys are not moldable and i will rework it in the near future. I wrote already an email to Melissa but i asume they got a lot of stuff to do with new store system.

If you are interested in this IC, then i need your help in form of critics and suggestions. I will appreciate any kind of constructive feedback.

Anyway for lazy ones here is the whole deal.

Updated:
fitting max 10 child deals rule of pmk.
Blanks and Spacebars will be available in the store per default.

Updated:
Reworked Novelties to make them possible to be molded.
Diamond is gone (too many sharp edges and rounded it looks awfull) instead added "Old but reliable Butt Kickers".
Added Carbon Logo Enter.

Update: Novelties.

Update: Novelties removed r3 warning signs. Removed redundant  r1 orange escape from other kits as the base set contains already one. Add orange function keys. Combined with base kit you can make full orange function row.

Update: Added led windowe keys to base and novelties kit. Reworked some novelties for molding.

Update: Got approximated Costs for Carbon. Keep in mind these are approximated costs so they are not final.

Update: Orange Alphas pricing was wrong.

(http://i.imgur.com/mPxoidi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/R6NP86B.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GovAMNO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SgEb5RA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DKeQW8C.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RojSnT6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/L3BOZ2d.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/P8yWtxq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JALVTOo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JontnHx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uVgc9W5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/S7forxT.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GeB2fqI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nDAc8DN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2G5Ro3S.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YKBz4Ny.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QAuHpKR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mJ0sVyt.jpg)

TODO:
- Non stepped capslock (windowed too) with off center stem
- Windowed Key front- and back- print (due to different led positions)
- support for UK Dworak/Colemak.
- Split iso into 2-3 kits and separate ISO enter shift + graphene ISO enter in both colors. (maybe even all 3 colors)
- Graphene blanks for plancks or other custom layouts.
- Arrow kit and gaming kit.
- gray escape for base kit
- flex kit is missing scroll lock, print, pause
- nav cluster in gray color
- split Base kit into alphas and modifiers.
- graphene modifiers?
- control, function, etc replacements for capslock
- point out discoloring issues with grey color (possible change of grey color)
- 2u row1 graphene backspace.
- support for Filco Minila and Leopold fc660 series.
- 1.5u vertical keys with led window for ergodox kit.
- row 2 Backspace
- mac kit with symbols instead of words.
- Arrow cluster row4 is distructing. (gamer kit arrow cluster other row 3 and row 2 for exchangeability).
- nav cluster Del, End, Page down in row 4 possibility.
- warning signs also in GQM.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: 10q20w on Tue, 26 May 2015, 11:41:00
Sexy! There's a lot of good sets on IC right now, and my money is tight, but this would be a heavy contender.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Rewind on Tue, 26 May 2015, 11:43:41
I like the colorway, but
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 27 May 2015, 05:55:19
Do the homing keys have scoops or bumps?

Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: unipsykal on Wed, 27 May 2015, 06:06:58
no geekhack novelties?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Supergeek on Wed, 27 May 2015, 06:16:01
It seems like a lot of the novelties are very similar in appearance; the hexagonal shape is repeated too many times IMO.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: againer on Wed, 27 May 2015, 06:39:47
Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!

If the you make it 1-1-2-3-4-x
i could use the f row for number keys on my 60% keyboard
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 27 May 2015, 08:24:08
WoW really nice keycaps set!


Has mutual colors with the Hack'd by Geeks but there are some differences still as well. Too many interesting keycaps set atm!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 27 May 2015, 10:49:46
no geekhack novelties?

Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!

If the you make it 1-1-2-3-4-x
i could use the f row for number keys on my 60% keyboard

Do the homing keys have scoops or bumps?

Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!



Sry i am trying to make as many kays as possible reusable by other layouts (Ergodox for example). Keep in mind its the Base set and must be purchased for other sub deals. Anyway i can also add an row1 function sub deal. I thought about it already.

I will add also next update GH key to the Novelties
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 27 May 2015, 10:52:37
It seems like a lot of the novelties are very similar in appearance; the hexagonal shape is repeated too many times IMO.

I will rework Novelties the benzene ring will be taken away.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: greath on Wed, 27 May 2015, 10:55:10
Beautiful color scheme  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 27 May 2015, 10:56:39
WoW really nice keycaps set!


Has mutual colors with the Hack'd by Geeks but there are some differences still as well. Too many interesting keycaps set atm!

Indeed many interesting Keysets at the moment and i am glad i got this serious compitition. My personal favorit is "Jukebox" for example. No Jokes i love it.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 27 May 2015, 11:07:19
Beautiful color scheme  :thumb:

Thank you i appreciate it :D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 28 May 2015, 06:42:01
As this key-set is using Orange as it's main colour-way, you have indeed captured my attention and excitement.

Thought I would back away from this insidious place but you have reeled me in yet again with another KILLER SA profiled key-set, unbloody believable  :thumb: .

PLUS the extras, so enticing it's like a smorgasbord of booze, absolutely HOT  8) .

Make sure this one gets through as soon as possible.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 28 May 2015, 06:46:33
As this key-set is using Orange as it's main colour-way, you have indeed captured my attention and excitement.

Thought I would back away from this insidious place but you have reeled me in yet again with another KILLER SA profiled key-set, unbloody believable  :thumb: .

PLUS the extras, so enticing it's like a smorgasbord of booze, absolutely HOT  8) .

Make sure this one gets through as soon as possible.
I doubt we'll see it that quickly. PMK just announced the changes (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/a-new-pmk-is-on-its-way/) on the website. Moving away from preordering to pre-produced sets. Modern Selectric will be their last preorder they'll be running. After that they move to a new platform and I think it'll take some time until everything is sorted out.

Unless this goes through Massdrop.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Lpwl on Thu, 28 May 2015, 07:08:32
I've noticed a few errors and omissions in the International kit (FR language) :

(http://i.imgur.com/eq7G9GX.jpg)

The legends with :
- a red square should be swapped from top to bottom (you need push shift to get number with AZERTY layout)
- a orange circle should be rework (too close to the edge of the key imho).
- a blue square were missing keys that should be added.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/800px-KB_France.svg.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 28 May 2015, 10:27:24
I've noticed a few errors and omissions in the International kit (FR language) :

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/eq7G9GX.jpg)


The legends with :
- a red square should be swapped from top to bottom (you need push shift to get number with AZERTY layout)
- a orange circle should be rework (too close to the edge of the key imho).
- a blue square were missing keys that should be added.

Show Image
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/800px-KB_France.svg.png)


Thank you very much i am going to correct that and add missing keys. I thougt they got a misstake in the pictures as ususally numbers are the main layer. But i saw the reallife azerty layout. Anyway for the next update i will look through iso kit again. In case of "+=" key base set got it already :) just trying not to dupplicate the keys.

Update: see first post.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 28 May 2015, 10:33:43
As this key-set is using Orange as it's main colour-way, you have indeed captured my attention and excitement.

Thought I would back away from this insidious place but you have reeled me in yet again with another KILLER SA profiled key-set, unbloody believable  :thumb: .

PLUS the extras, so enticing it's like a smorgasbord of booze, absolutely HOT  8) .

Make sure this one gets through as soon as possible.

Thank you for the compliments. I would not say orange is the main color in the set its more like a cherry on top of an ice cream :) Anyway dont know why people call it sexy or hot as i can not see boobs or booties in it   :D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 28 May 2015, 19:34:12
Anyway dont know why people call it sexy or hot as i can not see boobs or booties in it   :D

Because it arouses everyone's most BASIC emotion and that will always be related to sexual innuendos  ;) .

It's not enough to say it's good, decent or great you need to import some XXX speak since most young males understand that far better than any other language.

Also don't forget where you are, Geekhack is the forum in which all keyboard lovers go to realize their MOST perverted fantasies on the web and you my boy, have delivered it in spades with this latest "Carbon Keyset" release.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: greath on Thu, 28 May 2015, 21:25:33
My only real criticism with this set are the novelties. The non-carbon ones seem completely random. Tbh I'm not even a fan of the carbon themed ones.

Not going to be much help because I have no ideas on what they should be instead but they are one only weakness I see in this set
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 28 May 2015, 23:07:40
My only real criticism with this set are the novelties. The non-carbon ones seem completely random. Tbh I'm not even a fan of the carbon themed ones.

Not going to be much help because I have no ideas on what they should be instead but they are one only weakness I see in this set

The images chosen by him were safe "Copyright" approved meaning no one can sue SP or him for anything relating to other recognized graphic images within the US market.

I think with the limited pallet he was presented with he has done good, maybe only Matt3o could of upped it a level or two but overall, not much could have been achieved.  Besides I love the colour layout and the chosen graphics doesn't offend anyone which is always good when these key-sets reside in keyboards for years to come.

Sometimes the simplest graphics can retain their dignity for decades whilst those that attract instant attention become bland and boring in a few months time.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 29 May 2015, 10:35:13
My only real criticism with this set are the novelties. The non-carbon ones seem completely random. Tbh I'm not even a fan of the carbon themed ones.

Not going to be much help because I have no ideas on what they should be instead but they are one only weakness I see in this set

The images chosen by him were safe "Copyright" approved meaning no one can sue SP or him for anything relating to other recognized graphic images within the US market.

I think with the limited pallet he was presented with he has done good, maybe only Matt3o could of upped it a level or two but overall, not much could have been achieved.  Besides I love the colour layout and the chosen graphics doesn't offend anyone which is always good when these key-sets reside in keyboards for years to come.

Sometimes the simplest graphics can retain their dignity for decades whilst those that attract instant attention become bland and boring in a few months time.

You hit the nail on its head. I am trying to maintain copyrights. My goal is to make novelties not only simple but also highly reusable with other keysets. As you can see only Carbon logo key is not reusable. Any other key can be combined with other keyset easily. Especially for the chemical warningsigns. Graphene Enter is just a texture and is timeless. Imagine an Bee related keyset and Graphene enter. Diamonds are timeless too. Anyone want a bling bling bord? You are welcome :)

I am thinking about to replace orange Carbon logo mod keys with 1.5 mod keys. So WKL, Ergodox and other layouts can utilize them too. 
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: 10q20w on Sat, 30 May 2015, 15:50:53
Just curious, what fonts are used for alphas and mods?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 May 2015, 16:44:56
Just curious, what fonts are used for alphas and mods?
Alphas - VAGRounded-Light Light
Mods - OCRB Extra-Expanded

I used OCRB because its monolegend.

The reallife set will use Gorton Modifed as usual (Mods and Alphas). So those fonts are used only for mockup.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 01 June 2015, 05:17:55
no geekhack novelties?

Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!

If the you make it 1-1-2-3-4-x
i could use the f row for number keys on my 60% keyboard

Do the homing keys have scoops or bumps?

Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!



Sry i am trying to make as many kays as possible reusable by other layouts (Ergodox for example). Keep in mind its the Base set and must be purchased for other sub deals. Anyway i can also add an row1 function sub deal. I thought about it already.

I will add also next update GH key to the Novelties

I'd do it the other way round, myself. I'd make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 with Row 3 Shifts and have a Row 3 F row kit for those who want it. All other keycap profiles use 1-1-2-3-4-4 so why not also SA? JD himself has stated that if he knew SP could do Row 4 bottom row at the time, he'd have gone 1-1-2-3-4-4 with the Hack'd by Geeks set and SA Retro is 1-1-2-3-4-4.

The Row 4 mods on Penumbra are awesome.

That's the only thing that's keeping me from ordering this when it goes live.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 01 June 2015, 05:26:31
As an aside, about the colours: I believe your WBO is a little too dark in the mockups, the photospectrometer sampled and converted colour (by Ian Prest) is 227, 213, 185 whereas yours is 212, 202, 167.

Here is the difference on the colour chart:
[attach=1]

And here's a very rough conversion of the mockup:
[attach=2]

I really love the colour choices and the novelties designs are fantastic. Great job on the design. It's beautiful.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: bcredbottle on Mon, 01 June 2015, 08:50:12
Any idea when this might drop?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 June 2015, 11:29:25
no geekhack novelties?

Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!

I for myself did not knew that this is possible. I must look first how it does look like. Then i might change the row orders.
If the you make it 1-1-2-3-4-x
i could use the f row for number keys on my 60% keyboard

Do the homing keys have scoops or bumps?

Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!



Sry i am trying to make as many kays as possible reusable by other layouts (Ergodox for example). Keep in mind its the Base set and must be purchased for other sub deals. Anyway i can also add an row1 function sub deal. I thought about it already.

I will add also next update GH key to the Novelties

I'd do it the other way round, myself. I'd make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 with Row 3 Shifts and have a Row 3 F row kit for those who want it. All other keycap profiles use 1-1-2-3-4-4 so why not also SA? JD himself has stated that if he knew SP could do Row 4 bottom row at the time, he'd have gone 1-1-2-3-4-4 with the Hack'd by Geeks set and SA Retro is 1-1-2-3-4-4.

The Row 4 mods on Penumbra are awesome.

That's the only thing that's keeping me from ordering this when it goes live.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 June 2015, 11:32:34
As an aside, about the colours: I believe your WBO is a little too dark in the mockups, the photospectrometer sampled and converted colour (by Ian Prest) is 227, 213, 185 whereas yours is 212, 202, 167.

Here is the difference on the colour chart:
(Attachment Link)

And here's a very rough conversion of the mockup:
(Attachment Link)

I really love the colour choices and the novelties designs are fantastic. Great job on the design. It's beautiful.

Thank you. You are right i adjusted only the orange and the gray colors for the next updates i will adjust the wbo color.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 June 2015, 11:34:39
Any idea when this might drop?
Only after new SP shop system goes online. And after it gathers enough votes. Around 200 votes are needed.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 June 2015, 14:37:02
As an aside, about the colours: I believe your WBO is a little too dark in the mockups, the photospectrometer sampled and converted colour (by Ian Prest) is 227, 213, 185 whereas yours is 212, 202, 167.

Here is the difference on the colour chart:
(Attachment Link)

And here's a very rough conversion of the mockup:
(Attachment Link)

I really love the colour choices and the novelties designs are fantastic. Great job on the design. It's beautiful.

DONE! See first post. Updated colors and rows. I wonder if SP can produce 2u keys for row 4 as you can see in Planck/Atomic kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:27:22
The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadable

I find this very unpleasant

Would you consider running this set as matte?

Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:31:57
The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadable

I find this very unpleasant

Would you consider running this set as matte?

Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
Can you provide a picture demonstrating this? I've never had an SA and I'd like to know what to look for when buying a set.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:42:30
The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadable

I find this very unpleasant

Would you consider running this set as matte?

Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
Can you provide a picture demonstrating this? I've never had an SA and I'd like to know what to look for when buying a set.

Here are some photos, it demonstrates the issue, whether the angling of the light is just or unjust :)
I wish I included one Deep Space DSA modifier too, those colors are unreadable on all regular lighting conditions :)
That's why I like the Dolch keyset, I love the alphas, the modifiers are meh.

[attach=1][attach=2]
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:43:39
The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadable

I find this very unpleasant

Would you consider running this set as matte?

Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
Can you provide a picture demonstrating this? I've never had an SA and I'd like to know what to look for when buying a set.

Here are some photos, it demonstrates the issue, whether the angling of the light is just or unjust :)
I wish I included one Deep Space DSA modifier too, those colors are unreadable on all regular lighting conditions :)
That's why I like the Dolch keyset, I love the alphas, the modifiers are meh.

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Thank you!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 03 June 2015, 07:38:45
As an aside, about the colours: I believe your WBO is a little too dark in the mockups, the photospectrometer sampled and converted colour (by Ian Prest) is 227, 213, 185 whereas yours is 212, 202, 167.

Here is the difference on the colour chart:
(Attachment Link)

And here's a very rough conversion of the mockup:
(Attachment Link)

I really love the colour choices and the novelties designs are fantastic. Great job on the design. It's beautiful.

DONE! See first post. Updated colors and rows. I wonder if SP can produce 2u keys for row 4 as you can see in Planck/Atomic kit.

Fantastic! Looks great!

AFAIK, they can indeed make 2x Row 4 SA profile keys in both Semi-matte and matte, at least according to their profile chart, but it's best to confirm this with Melissa.

The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadable

I find this very unpleasant

Would you consider running this set as matte?

Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
Can you provide a picture demonstrating this? I've never had an SA and I'd like to know what to look for when buying a set.

Here are some photos, it demonstrates the issue, whether the angling of the light is just or unjust :)
I wish I included one Deep Space DSA modifier too, those colors are unreadable on all regular lighting conditions :)
That's why I like the Dolch keyset, I love the alphas, the modifiers are meh.

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Learn to embrace the shine:

[attach=1]

This is my Penumbra set after a bit of use. The "semi-matte" finish on SA profile caps is quite smooth and wears to a shine quickly, but I really like how they both look and feel. Matte finish has a rough texture that I don't like much, personally. Here is a pic of the Commando set (1-2-3-3-3-4 profile): https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45655.msg1245032#msg1245032

(http://l.mashby.com/ipJh+)

Also Spacebar, Return, Caps Lock and Left Shift (and 1.75x right Shift in the upgrade kit) on that set are semi-matte, since SP can't do matte 1.75x, 2.25x and 6.25x.

If you can't see the legends on your Hack'd by Geeks caps because of light from your display, you don't have enough ambient light compared to your display brightness. Bad for your eyes. AFAIK, nobody else complains of this issue with any of the existing semi-matte SA sets and I for one would MUCH rather have consistent surface texture on my caps than a mix of matte and semi-matte.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 03 June 2015, 07:53:52
I would also choose semi-matte over mixed, however with their current R4 step-up, SP might also start producing those keycaps in matte too

I find matte surfaces better for typing, glossy surfaces amplify sweating, however glossy keycaps are easier to clean, so there is that too

I honestly like both types of keycaps but my preference is matte, there are also no matte SA keycaps around, would be great to have one, I mean look at that Commando set's photo, I want to rub my fingers to the screen :)

You're partially right about the lighting tho, it could be improved, it's 2x 32W cool daylight CFL for an entire room and I'm standing in front of it, yet the glare is also existent in actual daylight shade too, time to re-look for some bulbs (bumped them to 32W CFL's from insufficient leds a while ago, now you inflicted the urge to re-improve them :)

TL;DR: The issue is there, it's up to the beholder to love it or hate it
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 03 June 2015, 10:26:47
I would also choose semi-matte over mixed, however with their current R4 step-up, SP might also start producing those keycaps in matte too

I find matte surfaces better for typing, glossy surfaces amplify sweating, however glossy keycaps are easier to clean, so there is that too

I honestly like both types of keycaps but my preference is matte, there are also no matte SA keycaps around, would be great to have one, I mean look at that Commando set's photo, I want to rub my fingers to the screen :)

You're partially right about the lighting tho, it could be improved, it's 2x 32W cool daylight CFL for an entire room and I'm standing in front of it, yet the glare is also existent in actual daylight shade too, time to re-look for some bulbs (bumped them to 32W CFL's from insufficient leds a while ago, now you inflicted the urge to re-improve them :)

TL;DR: The issue is there, it's up to the beholder to love it or hate it

I understand. But i am thinking in the long run. If i make the caps matte its going to shine anyway after some usage. So in this case i think its better to make them already shiny. So i can at least provide consistancy and quality. My only problem with glossy sa keycaps is that they leave fingerprints. Personally i prefer glossy surface over the mate and rough one. Got deep space keyset it has rought surface. I hope you understand my point of view like i understand yours. Indeed matte would look way better but it will get unconsistanly shiny. I want to avoid that.

Anyway i didnt knew it that SP can do matte and glossy keycaps. I also wondered why some filco keycaps are matte and other shiny. Thank you for the info :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: bullo16 on Thu, 04 June 2015, 18:50:22
Hi, I 'm waiting to see if SP takes on sale the set. I prefer the rough touch and matte because I bought the Ducky that are bright and touch is not very good.
So far I 've saved the money to buy it.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 05 June 2015, 09:15:16
Hi, I 'm waiting to see if SP takes on sale the set. I prefer the rough touch and matte because I bought the Ducky that are bright and touch is not very good.
So far I 've saved the money to buy it.  :D
Hello thank you for your interest. Anyway in the previous post i mentioned the reasons i want to make carbon glossy instead of mate. I also appreciate the look of matte more than glossy but this is abs and will shine after some time and that will destroy the look. So in my opinion its better to make it shine from the start :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 05 June 2015, 09:36:09
I just checked the keyset that I've been using for some time (matte, dsa shift), indeed the most used key started shining a bit, so your logic is plausible

However, making matte double shot keys shine would also add them a lot of character, especially if you don't intend to resell and use them instead

There is also no guarantee that shined semi-matte's would have the same glare as not-shined ones, so the usage shine might also show on those keycaps too

But all in all, semi-matte seems like a safe choice

I also asked SP about R4 matte molds, it seems they don't exist yet, so discussing the issue is also futile

For me, one thing is for sure, I would definitely pick matte over semi-matte/glossy if I had the choice, making keycaps shine is like soulbinding to me
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: LieutenantJesus on Fri, 05 June 2015, 20:55:15
Didn't this get nearly 500 votes on PMK before they took down the interest check page? I'm sure I'm not along in saying that this is the #1 set on my radar right now, and there's a LOT of good sets out at the moment.

I really dig the novelty keys. Heck, not really much I can say that I don't like about it. I'd probably pick this over getting Hack'd by Geeks if such a choice was presented.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: VmaxEngage on Fri, 05 June 2015, 20:56:43
Man...I need this in my life. Awesome set, this is a must for me!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: HelixDan on Sat, 06 June 2015, 13:07:23
Why not add some length 1.5x personality keycaps? so many 1x and 1.25x personality.....

and if the profile row could support this .... also very good

(http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esuwx5of0dj21gp0e0q9j.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 06 June 2015, 14:19:19
Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?

Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 06 June 2015, 14:46:51
Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?

Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.

I don't see it currently.

I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 06 June 2015, 15:20:37
Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?

Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.

I don't see it currently.

I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
I know the convex profile doesn't exist.
I was asking about a 3u blank concave key.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 06 June 2015, 16:08:25
Updated Novelties see first post.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 06 June 2015, 16:13:42
Didn't this get nearly 500 votes on PMK before they took down the interest check page? I'm sure I'm not along in saying that this is the #1 set on my radar right now, and there's a LOT of good sets out at the moment.

I really dig the novelty keys. Heck, not really much I can say that I don't like about it. I'd probably pick this over getting Hack'd by Geeks if such a choice was presented.

Its not supposed to be nr1 set. If so then its Granite which sold the most of all sets. It is also not my goal to make nr1 set. I want a good looking set and an unique one. Its 52 votes to go to reach 500 votes :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 06 June 2015, 16:20:58
Man...I need this in my life. Awesome set, this is a must for me!

Thank you i hope it will reach a GB phase.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 06 June 2015, 16:26:52
Why not add some length 1.5x personality keycaps? so many 1x and 1.25x personality.....

and if the profile row could support this .... also very good

Show Image
(http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esuwx5of0dj21gp0e0q9j.jpg)


There are already 1.5u novelty keys, see first post.

I dont know this layout. Can you give me an example of it?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 06 June 2015, 16:33:19
Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?

Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.

I don't see it currently.

I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
I know the convex profile doesn't exist.
I was asking about a 3u blank concave key.

I think SA 3u key is not available. But blanks will be offered per default if this IC hits GB phase. So you can get the answer if you check the store while GB is running.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: bcredbottle on Sat, 06 June 2015, 20:23:08
Didn't this get nearly 500 votes on PMK before they took down the interest check page? I'm sure I'm not along in saying that this is the #1 set on my radar right now, and there's a LOT of good sets out at the moment.

I really dig the novelty keys. Heck, not really much I can say that I don't like about it. I'd probably pick this over getting Hack'd by Geeks if such a choice was presented.

Its not supposed to be nr1 set. If so then its Granite which sold the most of all sets. It is also not my goal to make nr1 set. I want a good looking set and an unique one. Its 52 votes to go to reach 500 votes :)

What is nr1?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 06 June 2015, 23:22:24
Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?

Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.

I don't see it currently.

I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
I know the convex profile doesn't exist.
I was asking about a 3u blank concave key.

I think SA 3u key is not available. But blanks will be offered per default if this IC hits GB phase. So you can get the answer if you check the store while GB is running.
I wasn't sure how it worked. I just remember in the Retro SA gb that just finished, a 3u row 3 convex blank was an option for a Filco MiniLa.

It looks like you have all the rest of the keys needed for a MiniLa board.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: HelixDan on Sun, 07 June 2015, 01:25:50
Why not add some length 1.5x personality keycaps? so many 1x and 1.25x personality.....

and if the profile row could support this .... also very good

Show Image
(http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esuwx5of0dj21gp0e0q9j.jpg)


There are already 1.5u novelty keys, see first post.

I dont know this layout. Can you give me an example of it?

 ^-^  base kit + ISO kit, it would be like this...  cool~~ (i am not a ISO layout player, but i will order this ISO kit)
(http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esvi4glre9j20qs08wq54.jpg)


HHKB layout need 1.5x Command(in Mac kit) on OSX
and need 1.5x Win(1.5u novelty keys) on Windows

Perfect!!!

Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 June 2015, 03:49:44
Didn't this get nearly 500 votes on PMK before they took down the interest check page? I'm sure I'm not along in saying that this is the #1 set on my radar right now, and there's a LOT of good sets out at the moment.

I really dig the novelty keys. Heck, not really much I can say that I don't like about it. I'd probably pick this over getting Hack'd by Geeks if such a choice was presented.

Its not supposed to be nr1 set. If so then its Granite which sold the most of all sets. It is also not my goal to make nr1 set. I want a good looking set and an unique one. Its 52 votes to go to reach 500 votes :)

What is nr1?

I dont know. I thnk its very subjective thing.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 June 2015, 03:55:03
Why not add some length 1.5x personality keycaps? so many 1x and 1.25x personality.....

and if the profile row could support this .... also very good

Show Image
(http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esuwx5of0dj21gp0e0q9j.jpg)


There are already 1.5u novelty keys, see first post.

I dont know this layout. Can you give me an example of it?

 ^-^  base kit + ISO kit, it would be like this...  cool~~ (i am not a ISO layout player, but i will order this ISO kit)
Show Image
(http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esvi4glre9j20qs08wq54.jpg)



HHKB layout need 1.5x Command(in Mac kit) on OSX
and need 1.5x Win(1.5u novelty keys) on Windows

Perfect!!!

I am sorry but i must keep it basic. The iso kit is going to be already expensive.

The other keys you mentioned are already there. See novelty and mac kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 June 2015, 04:00:26
Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?

Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.

I don't see it currently.

I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
I know the convex profile doesn't exist.
I was asking about a 3u blank concave key.

I think SA 3u key is not available. But blanks will be offered per default if this IC hits GB phase. So you can get the answer if you check the store while GB is running.
I wasn't sure how it worked. I just remember in the Retro SA gb that just finished, a 3u row 3 convex blank was an option for a Filco MiniLa.

It looks like you have all the rest of the keys needed for a MiniLa board.

Hope for you what this is possible. Anyway check the SP store while GB is running. The new rules does not allow blank child deals (spacebars too), because it will be offered in the store as standard. Ofcourse in colors of the set.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: diqkiq on Sun, 07 June 2015, 10:36:53
Put me down for a set
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: micr0n on Sun, 07 June 2015, 10:50:52
In for a set if this gets materialized.  Gray and orange is my favorite color combination set.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: flamf on Tue, 09 June 2015, 04:37:22
This looks interesting, great colours and font, I'm on the potential buyers list. But I'm also non-appreciative of the novelties. Molecules containing carbon are numerous, and would give it more flavour in line with the theme. Buckminster-Fullerene, diamond, graphite, to name a few cardinal pure carbon allotropes (molecules). Even something like a rendition of CO2-molecule would be much more appropriate IMO. Or a part of the molecular structure of the plastic polymer used, a section of ABS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_carbon
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: flamf on Tue, 09 June 2015, 04:38:14
Also, I would suggest a set of 'chemical process' alternative modifier, for example, oxidize/oxi, condensate/cond, polymerize/poly etc.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: unipsykal on Tue, 09 June 2015, 04:52:07
Also, I would suggest a set of 'chemical process' alternative modifier, for example, oxidize/oxi, condensate/cond, polymerize/poly etc.

I like that idea
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 10 June 2015, 14:02:46
This looks interesting, great colours and font, I'm on the potential buyers list. But I'm also non-appreciative of the novelties. Molecules containing carbon are numerous, and would give it more flavour in line with the theme. Buckminster-Fullerene, diamond, graphite, to name a few cardinal pure carbon allotropes (molecules). Even something like a rendition of CO2-molecule would be much more appropriate IMO. Or a part of the molecular structure of the plastic polymer used, a section of ABS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_carbon

Its not what i am against all of your suggestions but there are some limitations what can be molded for such small surface like a keycap. I had before a diamond keycap and i took it away because it had to many sharp edges. I reworked it and it does not look that appealing with rounded edges. I can draw what ever i want but making the molds is the real limitation here.

Anyway all the other carbon structures repeat the same honeycomb structure there are some differences and those you can see only in 3d model. So a 3d model will just not fit what well on circa 12mm x 12mm surface. And now imagine how to make such small molds with cnc machine. For example i must look that the space between two lines is not less than 0.5mm.

What i can imagine is to make abs molecules as modifiers. And saying that i do not promise as they must fit the 1.25u keycap and they must fullfill the criterias to be moldable.

Also you mentioned the font. Its not the font that the reallife set will get. It will be Gorton Modified as used by the previous sets from SP. Keep in mind every new mold costs at least 75$. And these costs will be included in the price. As a very good example look at Modern Selectric. Every modifier is requiring new mold. And this is the reason why the mods of Modern Selectric are that expensive. Because of this Carbon will reuse exisitng molds to keep the costs low. Only Novelty Kit will require new molds. Now imagine that the prices will be like if i consider to make these fonts in sketches.

Conclusion: the sketches must be simple and minimalistic because of the physical limits. Its a god damn double shot keyset.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 10 June 2015, 19:48:46
In for a set if this gets materialized.  Gray and orange is my favorite color combination set.

YES, that colour-scheme closely resembles "GEEKHACK", so there's no excuses for any hardcore Geekhacker to jump onto this, when it starts at PMK central  :thumb: .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 11 June 2015, 14:49:11
This set looks better every time I look at it, amazing design job, T0mb3ry!

I can't wait for this to be ready to order. This will go on my GON with black aluminium case and plate, orange switch stickers and white LED's:

[attach=1]

 :D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 June 2015, 15:11:49
This set looks better every time I look at it, amazing design job, T0mb3ry!

I can't wait for this to be ready to order. This will go on my GON with black aluminium case and plate, orange switch stickers and white LED's:

(Attachment Link)

 :D

Thank you very much for the compliments :) I am currently working on novelties and this will be so in the future i am not quite happy with them. Thinkin about to add full replacement for numbers or functional keys like on deep space the planetary pack.

Twelve signs from this table. I got six already in the novelties. Other three are ready (chemical weapon, lazer hazard, oxidation).
(http://st.depositphotos.com/1028758/2589/v/950/depositphotos_25898675-Triangular-Warning-Hazard-Symbols.-Big-yellow-set.jpg)

Will get the warning, high voltage too.

How do you find the "Butt Kicker". I can throw it away.

Wait is it this 400$ custom keyboard from korea? Damn hot bord!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 11 June 2015, 15:21:40
This set looks better every time I look at it, amazing design job, T0mb3ry!

I can't wait for this to be ready to order. This will go on my GON with black aluminium case and plate, orange switch stickers and white LED's:

(Attachment Link)

 :D

Thank you very much for the compliments :) I am currently working on novelties and this will be so in the future i am not quite happy with them. Thinkin about to add full replacement for numbers or functional keys like on deep space the planetary pack.

Twelve signs from this table. I got six already in the novelties. Other three are ready (chemical weapon, lazer hazard, oxidation).
Show Image
(http://st.depositphotos.com/1028758/2589/v/950/depositphotos_25898675-Triangular-Warning-Hazard-Symbols.-Big-yellow-set.jpg)


Will get the warning, high voltage too.

How do you find the "Butt Kicker". I can throw it away.
TBH, I found the butt kicker really strange. No problem with letting it go.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 June 2015, 15:51:10
This set looks better every time I look at it, amazing design job, T0mb3ry!

I can't wait for this to be ready to order. This will go on my GON with black aluminium case and plate, orange switch stickers and white LED's:

(Attachment Link)

 :D

Thank you very much for the compliments :) I am currently working on novelties and this will be so in the future i am not quite happy with them. Thinkin about to add full replacement for numbers or functional keys like on deep space the planetary pack.

Twelve signs from this table. I got six already in the novelties. Other three are ready (chemical weapon, lazer hazard, oxidation).
Show Image
(http://st.depositphotos.com/1028758/2589/v/950/depositphotos_25898675-Triangular-Warning-Hazard-Symbols.-Big-yellow-set.jpg)


Will get the warning, high voltage too.

How do you find the "Butt Kicker". I can throw it away.
TBH, I found the butt kicker really strange. No problem with letting it go.

The butt kicker was just idea because people make pics of keyboards with shoes :) Nevermind i will throw it out of novelties.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:09:22
There is an update for novelties on the first page.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 11 June 2015, 18:29:59
Why give the warning signs in R1 and R3 when the set profile is 112344? Most people aren't going to want novelties on the home row, but are more likely to do so on the function row or numrow. I believe that you would need to cut separate legends to for R1 and R3 keys, if so that set is going to get very expensive (I believe 24 new legends for that group, plus graphene and carbon novelties). I would suggest keeping it to just R1 keys. How about giving us both colours of graphene return/enter, seeing as we're given both colours of return in the base kit?

Have you considered adding orange F1-F4 and F9-F12 into orange alphas or flex kit?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 12 June 2015, 12:40:06
Why give the warning signs in R1 and R3 when the set profile is 112344? Most people aren't going to want novelties on the home row, but are more likely to do so on the function row or numrow. I believe that you would need to cut separate legends to for R1 and R3 keys, if so that set is going to get very expensive (I believe 24 new legends for that group, plus graphene and carbon novelties). I would suggest keeping it to just R1 keys. How about giving us both colours of graphene return/enter, seeing as we're given both colours of return in the base kit?

Have you considered adding orange F1-F4 and F9-F12 into orange alphas or flex kit?

With row 3 warning signs i was thinking of ergodox and other custom keyboard users. Anyway i will remove row3 and add gray on orange return graphene as you suggested. Also the F rows for flex kit will be added too.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 12 June 2015, 14:04:53
Update. See first page.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 12 June 2015, 14:06:54
Lookin' good :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 12 June 2015, 14:18:08
Lookin' good :cool:

Ich gebe mein Bestes  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 12 June 2015, 14:40:58
Why give the warning signs in R1 and R3 when the set profile is 112344? Most people aren't going to want novelties on the home row, but are more likely to do so on the function row or numrow. I believe that you would need to cut separate legends to for R1 and R3 keys, if so that set is going to get very expensive (I believe 24 new legends for that group, plus graphene and carbon novelties). I would suggest keeping it to just R1 keys. How about giving us both colours of graphene return/enter, seeing as we're given both colours of return in the base kit?

Have you considered adding orange F1-F4 and F9-F12 into orange alphas or flex kit?

With row 3 warning signs i was thinking of ergodox and other custom keyboard users. Anyway i will remove row3 and add gray on orange return graphene as you suggested. Also the F rows for flex kit will be added too.

Okay, that makes more sense. In that case, I would say it's worth double checking with SP as to whether it really is an extra cost for the same legend on both R1 and R3, as I'm not 100% sure on that point.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 12 June 2015, 15:04:58
Why give the warning signs in R1 and R3 when the set profile is 112344? Most people aren't going to want novelties on the home row, but are more likely to do so on the function row or numrow. I believe that you would need to cut separate legends to for R1 and R3 keys, if so that set is going to get very expensive (I believe 24 new legends for that group, plus graphene and carbon novelties). I would suggest keeping it to just R1 keys. How about giving us both colours of graphene return/enter, seeing as we're given both colours of return in the base kit?

Have you considered adding orange F1-F4 and F9-F12 into orange alphas or flex kit?

With row 3 warning signs i was thinking of ergodox and other custom keyboard users. Anyway i will remove row3 and add gray on orange return graphene as you suggested. Also the F rows for flex kit will be added too.

Okay, that makes more sense. In that case, I would say it's worth double checking with SP as to whether it really is an extra cost for the same legend on both R1 and R3, as I'm not 100% sure on that point.

Its ok. Maybe i will add it in the second run if there will be the oppotunity for it. I must first look how Carbon will progress and there is also another project i want to work out.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 12 June 2015, 22:03:39
Set will be in all semi-matte like retro SA, correct?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 13 June 2015, 00:47:19
I like the colorway and the row profiles.
However, the arrow keys in R3 makes no sense to me. They should be R4 to match the profile of the other keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 June 2015, 02:48:18
I like the colorway and the row profiles.
However, the arrow keys in R3 makes no sense to me. They should be R4 to match the profile of the other keys.

Will change it to row 4 as planck atomics and ergodox can use them in row 4 too.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 June 2015, 02:50:27
Set will be in all semi-matte like retro SA, correct?

From the look i prefer matte but i want make them glossy, so the keycaps will be immune to shining. If the material were pbt then ofcourse i would say matte. But this is ABS and it will going to shine. I dont think you will appreciate the shining after some months of usage.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:00:29
I like the colorway and the row profiles.
However, the arrow keys in R3 makes no sense to me. They should be R4 to match the profile of the other keys.

Will change it to row 4 as planck atomics and ergodox can use them in row 4 too.
Updated.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:18:08
Some of the R3 novelties should also be R1, if they're intended for the top two rows.

As much as I would love a R1 lambda, I can understand why you'd want to leave that R3 so it can be a replacement L key  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:20:28
Set will be in all semi-matte like retro SA, correct?

From the look i prefer matte but i want make them glossy, so the keycaps will be immune to shining. If the material were pbt then ofcourse i would say matte. But this is ABS and it will going to shine. I dont think you will appreciate the shining after some months of usage.

Here's my position on the subject: I would rather have all the keys start out looking the same and develop shine ("character") from usage than have some of the keys in one finish and some of the keys in another. If SP has all of the keys available in the glossy finish, that's fine with me. But I wouldn't want most of the keys to be glossy and have a few matte ones that stand out as being different from the rest.

Some of the R3 novelties should also be R1, if they're intended for the top two rows.

As much as I would love a R1 lambda, I can understand why you'd want to leave that R3 so it can be a replacement L key  ;)

Yes, geekhack and /r/MK keys should be R1. I'm not sure what the 1u carbon keyset keys are meant to be for, but the row for them should be examined as well. Might be nice to have them as 'C' replacement keys, or as esc keys (R4 or R1) instead of the R3 they are now. Making them R4 also lets them be used for bottom row 1x mods if someone needs some extras (I'm thinking of 40% boards here, not sure how much those particular keys will help).
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:43:09
Set will be in all semi-matte like retro SA, correct?

From the look i prefer matte but i want make them glossy, so the keycaps will be immune to shining. If the material were pbt then ofcourse i would say matte. But this is ABS and it will going to shine. I dont think you will appreciate the shining after some months of usage.

Here's my position on the subject: I would rather have all the keys start out looking the same and develop shine ("character") from usage than have some of the keys in one finish and some of the keys in another. If SP has all of the keys available in the glossy finish, that's fine with me. But I wouldn't want most of the keys to be glossy and have a few matte ones that stand out as being different from the rest.

Some of the R3 novelties should also be R1, if they're intended for the top two rows.

As much as I would love a R1 lambda, I can understand why you'd want to leave that R3 so it can be a replacement L key  ;)

Yes, geekhack and /r/MK keys should be R1. I'm not sure what the 1u carbon keyset keys are meant to be for, but the row for them should be examined as well. Might be nice to have them as 'C' replacement keys, or as esc keys (R4 or R1) instead of the R3 they are now. Making them R4 also lets them be used for bottom row 1x mods if someone needs some extras (I'm thinking of 40% boards here, not sure how much those particular keys will help).

The thing is i am trying to design novelties so, that you can combine them with other sets. I am thinking of versatility.

The big problem here is the communication between me and SP. They need like weeks to answer my questions. But i do not blame them for this as they got a lot of stuff to do now. You know new shop system. And now i got this dilema as i dont know what is possible at all. I dont know if they can produce all keys glossy or do they need to make for every row new mold for the same sign. The best thing they can do in the future is to make a FAQ or Wiki for Designers. I dont even know if the novelties are moldable. I send already SVG files to Melissa last week and i am currently waiting for reply.

In case they cant do every key glossy then the whole set will going to be matte. Its a no brainer.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:45:46
Some of the R3 novelties should also be R1, if they're intended for the top two rows.

As much as I would love a R1 lambda, I can understand why you'd want to leave that R3 so it can be a replacement L key  ;)

I need more info about molding requirements from SP. I dont know if the row 1 lambda will require new mold. If not lambda will be available in row 1 and 3.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 13 June 2015, 10:13:25
The thing is i am trying to design novelties so, that you can combine them with other sets. I am thinking of versatility.

That's an admirable goal, but I doubt many people will stick an R3 novelty next to an R1 key, so they won't really be used on the function or number row.


The big problem here is the communication between me and SP. They need like weeks to answer my questions. But i do not blame them for this as they got a lot of stuff to do now. You know new shop system. And now i got this dilema as i dont know what is possible at all. I dont know if they can produce all keys glossy or do they need to make for every row new mold for the same sign. The best thing they can do in the future is to make a FAQ or Wiki for Designers. I dont even know if the novelties are moldable. I send already SVG files to Melissa last week and i am currently waiting for reply.

In case they cant do every key glossy then the whole set will going to be matte. Its a no brainer.


Semi-matte (what was used for Hack'd by Geeks, SA Retro, and others) is fairly glossy. I don't know why you'd want it even glossier than that, even if SP can do them all in "Gloss" finish, which is highly unlikely.

FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf

SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
(You probably should read the whole SA Retro group buy thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70793.0), you might learn a lot about what is possible and what people want in an SA keycap set).



Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 June 2015, 11:18:07
The thing is i am trying to design novelties so, that you can combine them with other sets. I am thinking of versatility.

That's an admirable goal, but I doubt many people will stick an R3 novelty next to an R1 key, so they won't really be used on the function or number row.


The big problem here is the communication between me and SP. They need like weeks to answer my questions. But i do not blame them for this as they got a lot of stuff to do now. You know new shop system. And now i got this dilema as i dont know what is possible at all. I dont know if they can produce all keys glossy or do they need to make for every row new mold for the same sign. The best thing they can do in the future is to make a FAQ or Wiki for Designers. I dont even know if the novelties are moldable. I send already SVG files to Melissa last week and i am currently waiting for reply.

In case they cant do every key glossy then the whole set will going to be matte. Its a no brainer.


Semi-matte (what was used for Hack'd by Geeks, SA Retro, and others) is fairly glossy. I don't know why you'd want it even glossier than that, even if SP can do them all in "Gloss" finish, which is highly unlikely.

FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf

SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
(You probably should read the whole SA Retro group buy thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70793.0), you might learn a lot about what is possible and what people want in an SA keycap set).

Thx for the pdf file i will study it and decide which surface carbon will get. Anyway i wrote in my replies before why i would like to make it glossy. But i repeat it again. Its not because of look, its because matte and semi matte will be shining after some usage and it will look unconsistent as you type on some keys more then on others. Glossy shine already and by doing so they keep their look as they are new. 

Looking right now on the SA Profiles pdf and i am quite angry because there is no way to make one surface for all keys. Just for example if i choose Semi-Matte the row4 1.25u keys will be Matte and they are going to be Matte as this is the only option. It looks like SP tools are random and incomplete. I know that the key molds are very expensive butt just saying.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 13 June 2015, 11:32:47
:rolleyes: I just said


FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf

SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.


Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 June 2015, 11:40:25
:rolleyes: I just said


FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf

SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.


Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 11:42:37
:rolleyes: I just said


FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf

SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.


Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.

If you want it made in glossy, it is worth contacting SP with a list of sizes and row profiles and asking if they have them in glossy, as you know that their data sheets are not definitive. I would only bother doing so once kits have been relatively finalized though.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 June 2015, 12:10:42
:rolleyes: I just said


FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf

SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.


Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.

If you want it made in glossy, it is worth contacting SP with a list of sizes and row profiles and asking if they have them in glossy, as you know that their data sheets are not definitive. I would only bother doing so once kits have been relatively finalized though.

Send an email to SP this will take some time :/
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 14 June 2015, 15:27:33
:rolleyes: I just said


FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf

SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.


Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.

If you want it made in glossy, it is worth contacting SP with a list of sizes and row profiles and asking if they have them in glossy, as you know that their data sheets are not definitive. I would only bother doing so once kits have been relatively finalized though.

I believe semi-matte is their most "complete" finish (they have the most molds in semi-matte), with matte being next (no 1.75x Row3, etc) and gloss last (lots of key sizes missing). So semi-matte is the one to go for. The only "missing" molds for semi-matte are the Row4 Shift keys.

Looking great :)

About the novelties, I think the lambda (half-life) key should remain Row 3, but perhaps the top row carbon, GeekHack and MK ones should be Row 1 to match the base set?

Thank you for listening to us and taking our thoughts into consideration. Just keep in mind you can't please ALL the people, so please remember to make the set the way you really want if there's a request that doesn't match. The poeple posting here are just a small sample of those who'll buy the caps.

I for one am very happy with the way it is right now and will DEFINITELY be buying this set when it's available.

Semi-matte SA caps shine up pretty quickly, but IMHO they look amazing when they do:

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67399.0;attach=86610;image)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 June 2015, 16:01:33
:rolleyes: I just said


FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf

SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.


Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.

If you want it made in glossy, it is worth contacting SP with a list of sizes and row profiles and asking if they have them in glossy, as you know that their data sheets are not definitive. I would only bother doing so once kits have been relatively finalized though.

I believe semi-matte is their most "complete" finish (they have the most molds in semi-matte), with matte being next (no 1.75x Row3, etc) and gloss last (lots of key sizes missing). So semi-matte is the one to go for. The only "missing" molds for semi-matte are the Row4 Shift keys.

Looking great :)

About the novelties, I think the lambda (half-life) key should remain Row 3, but perhaps the top row carbon, GeekHack and MK ones should be Row 1 to match the base set?

Thank you for listening to us and taking our thoughts into consideration. Just keep in mind you can't please ALL the people, so please remember to make the set the way you really want if there's a request that doesn't match. The poeple posting here are just a small sample of those who'll buy the caps.

I for one am very happy with the way it is right now and will DEFINITELY be buying this set when it's available.

Semi-matte SA caps shine up pretty quickly, but IMHO they look amazing when they do:

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67399.0;attach=86610;image)

Yeah thats sad i can not make them shiny from the start. I think to remove row 3 Carbon logo novelties. The rmk and geekhack will go for row1.

Yeah i am here to gather your opinions and suggestions. Sadly i can not make every suggestion as there are some limitations. You know molding and so on. Also it must be affordable. The novelties will be expensive as you can see but i think they will be worth that money.

By the way you own my dream set Penumbra i am waiting for the second drop. Its my most desired set so far.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 June 2015, 14:55:51
Got today the updated list from Melissa. For Matte: spacebars and shift keys are missing (some other keys too), so Carbon is going to be semi-matte.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Cods on Tue, 16 June 2015, 02:55:41
Looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 16 June 2015, 03:40:45
Got today the updated list from Melissa. For Matte: spacebars and shift keys are missing (some other keys too), so Carbon is going to be semi-matte.

Everything is getting ready for some dangerously delicious Orange Splooge  :thumb: .

Just make sure it happens soon because this set shall be used in conjunction with some Hack'd by Geeks sets.  Knew this group buy would come in handy like......
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 June 2015, 10:35:38
I discovered that its possible to make led windowed keys.
Here is one example:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/btRcvURt-yyi2PKVIAwJvv4946M0NTNy1A6ceSkVv3I=w915-h686-no)

I consider making all the toggleable keys to feature this led window. I see last time a lot keyboards using led for keys like caps lock.

What do you think of i? I like it as i want some day buy an kul es87 keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 June 2015, 11:53:23
Nevermind bad idea these are printed keycaps. But i consider to add them to the base kit as additional blank keys. One caps and scroll. Also one num for numpad.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 16 June 2015, 15:09:49
Nevermind bad idea these are printed keycaps. But i consider to add them to the base kit as additional blank keys. One caps and scroll. Also one num for numpad.

If they increase the cost, I'd rather leave them out. I don't see much value in them as if they're blank they don't match the rest of the set. If it's a matter of only a dollar or two, then maybe keep them in for those who really want them, though. None of my boards have the lock LED's in the switch anyway.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 June 2015, 15:27:25
Nevermind bad idea these are printed keycaps. But i consider to add them to the base kit as additional blank keys. One caps and scroll. Also one num for numpad.

If they increase the cost, I'd rather leave them out. I don't see much value in them as if they're blank they don't match the rest of the set. If it's a matter of only a dollar or two, then maybe keep them in for those who really want them, though. None of my boards have the lock LED's in the switch anyway.

I mailed Melissa and i will get soon approximate costs for each kit. I will post it here then. So we will be able to decide to keep the led windowed keys or not.
Also i did an update. See first page.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 17 June 2015, 15:33:17
Are GH and /r/MK keys still R3 on purpose? Your novelty example has them in R1 rows.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 June 2015, 15:52:07
Are GH and /r/MK keys still R3 on purpose? Your novelty example has them in R1 rows.

Oh crap forgot to change that.
Updated.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Melanic on Wed, 17 June 2015, 16:43:44
Just wondering, are the shift keys still in row 3 profile? I kind of recalled that point when this was on PMK but I didn't notice it in the first post of this thread.

On another note, would non-deep-dish F and J keys be a possible addition?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 17 June 2015, 17:30:45
Just wondering, are the shift keys still in row 3 profile? I kind of recalled that point when this was on PMK but I didn't notice it in the first post of this thread.

Unless someone has paid the several thousand dollars needed for the molds between then and now, they're still in R3. Unfortunately, SP does not have the hardware to make R4 shifts, so we're stuck with R3. IIRC it's about $4500 per key for new molds (different from new legends, and notably more expensive).
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 June 2015, 10:39:11
Just wondering, are the shift keys still in row 3 profile? I kind of recalled that point when this was on PMK but I didn't notice it in the first post of this thread.

On another note, would non-deep-dish F and J keys be a possible addition?

Shift keys are still row 3 profile. For the non deep dish keys i must see first the current approx pricing for the deals. In this case i do not promise.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Vizir on Thu, 18 June 2015, 13:13:40
if you are thinking of the LED window caps, would it be possible to make the LED window line up to the printed/dyed novelty design on the keycap. For example, the 2 double bonds in the C of Carbon ( http://i.imgur.com/mPxoidi.jpg ) would be single bonds and the inside dashes (-'s) of the double bonds are the led windows. so then the led is on, the single bonds turn into double bonds. and it'd have to be orange led's for the best effect.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wafflepc on Thu, 18 June 2015, 13:18:53
You should make an option for all the letters to have the gray and orange theme, instead of white and grey.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 18 June 2015, 13:25:31
You should make an option for all the letters to have the gray and orange theme, instead of white and grey.

IMO that would make the set far too similar to Hack'd by Geeks.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 18 June 2015, 13:29:24
You should make an option for all the letters to have the gray and orange theme, instead of white and grey.

IMO that would make the set far too similar to Hack'd by Geeks.
Also, there's a limit of 10 child-deals and this has already been reached.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 June 2015, 14:59:14
if you are thinking of the LED window caps, would it be possible to make the LED window line up to the printed/dyed novelty design on the keycap. For example, the 2 double bonds in the C of Carbon ( http://i.imgur.com/mPxoidi.jpg ) would be single bonds and the inside dashes (-'s) of the double bonds are the led windows. so then the led is on, the single bonds turn into double bonds. and it'd have to be orange led's for the best effect.

If i understand it right this will require custom made led window keycap. That will be to expensive.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 June 2015, 15:01:52
You should make an option for all the letters to have the gray and orange theme, instead of white and grey.

As wlhlm said already max 10 child deals is reached also this set has a rule that only modifiers are going to be gray. Number keys are exception.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Vizir on Thu, 18 June 2015, 15:03:33
What about leaving the existing window where it is and rotating the C. Or perhaps using another molecule which has a double or single bond in that position? Just an idea...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 June 2015, 15:11:40
What about leaving the existing window where it is and rotating the C. Or perhaps using another molecule which has a double or single bond in that position? Just an idea...

You know i does not even know if this windowed keys will stay in the base kit. I am waiting for the pricing right now. Then i will decide. Keep in mind its a base set and i dont want to bother other buyers who want to buy other kits, as the base set is required for other child deals. I thought already about dey subing this shifts but as far as i know its possible to deysub darker colors so these shifts must be orange. Printing the keys is a no go as the printing will wear off to fast and you will get an ugly key. So its better to keep it blank. I am always thinking for the long run.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 18 June 2015, 15:15:02
What about leaving the existing window where it is and rotating the C. Or perhaps using another molecule which has a double or single bond in that position? Just an idea...

You know i does not even know if this windowed keys will stay in the base kit. I am waiting for the pricing right now. Then i will decide. Keep in mind its a base set and i dont want to bother other buyers who want to buy other kits, as the base set is required for other child deals. I thought already about dey subing this shifts but as far as i know its possible to deysub darker colors so these shifts must be orange. Printing the keys is a no go as the printing will wear off to fast and you will get an ugly key. So its better to keep it blank. I am always thinking for the long run.

I don't think it's possible to dyesub ABS caps either. They don't react to the heat necessary for sublimation as well as PBT caps do.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: unoab on Thu, 18 June 2015, 17:15:32
Printing the keys is a no go as the printing will wear off to fast and you will get an ugly key. So its better to keep it blank. I am always thinking for the long run.

You could always front print them, then they will probably never wear out since you don't press the front of the keycap, but then it is a visual difference on those keys since the lettering is on a different face of the keycap.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 19 June 2015, 17:32:18
Printing the keys is a no go as the printing will wear off to fast and you will get an ugly key. So its better to keep it blank. I am always thinking for the long run.

You could always front print them, then they will probably never wear out since you don't press the front of the keycap, but then it is a visual difference on those keys since the lettering is on a different face of the keycap.

Lets see first the pricing then we see further. If the prcing is acceptable then i will make led keys front printed.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 20 June 2015, 08:29:36
IIIIIIISSSSSSOOOOOOO?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 June 2015, 10:52:16
IIIIIIISSSSSSOOOOOOO?

IS THERE ALREEEEAAAADY?????
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 20 June 2015, 11:14:34
Is there any planck or filco minila support?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 June 2015, 16:19:05
Is there any planck or filco minila support?
Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.

In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 20 June 2015, 17:03:32
Is there any planck or filco minila support?
Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.

In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.

Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 June 2015, 18:05:38
Is there any planck or filco minila support?
Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.

In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.

Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 20 June 2015, 19:07:00
Is there any planck or filco minila support?
Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.

In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.

Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.

I don't actually see a R4 1.75u Ctrl or 1u Del anywhere. The fn and app/menu can be covered by novelties, and maybe the delete if the particular user is fine with the legend, but there isn't actually a key of the correct size and profile for the ctrl on the minila at all.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 21 June 2015, 04:44:57
Is there any planck or filco minila support?
Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.

In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.

Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.
I think a keyboard guide on the group buy page like for Modern Selectric would be awesome:
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 21 June 2015, 08:16:03
Is there any planck or filco minila support?
Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.

In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.

Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.

I don't actually see a R4 1.75u Ctrl or 1u Del anywhere. The fn and app/menu can be covered by novelties, and maybe the delete if the particular user is fine with the legend, but there isn't actually a key of the correct size and profile for the ctrl on the minila at all.

You are how ever right :) Oversaw that delete key in planckatomic kit is row 2. Anyway base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties will cover minila consider to use novelty key for delete key.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 21 June 2015, 08:17:19
Is there any planck or filco minila support?
Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.

In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.

Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.
I think a keyboard guide on the group buy page like for Modern Selectric would be awesome:
(Attachment Link)

Was already considering to make one. I think i will do but basics one.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: project2501 on Mon, 22 June 2015, 16:20:55
The Planck set could really use a ctrl 1u for R3. The default layout has ctrl next to a.

One other thing could be to bolster the 1U. It's almost better for me to get the novelty set with a range of nodescript 1u keycaps which can be used in any position/layout.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Cameron on Wed, 24 June 2015, 23:33:50
Any info on when this will potentially be running? Is this going to go through massdrop like the jukebox set while PMK is doing their store changes or do we have to wait for it to run through PMK as a store option?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ideus on Thu, 25 June 2015, 00:17:50
Any reason to put all the international sets together? It would make the subset unnecessarily expensive for all ISO users, for example for UK's that just need a few keys, and will have a bunch of caps with no use at all.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Thu, 25 June 2015, 10:20:38
Any reason to put all the international sets together? It would make the subset unnecessarily expensive for all ISO users, for example for UK's that just need a few keys, and will have a bunch of caps with no use at all.

ISO kits are notorious for not reaching their MOQ.  Usually the only way to get the order numbers high enough that the kits actually get made is to combine many of them into one giant kit.  Yes, that makes for an expensive kit, but that's the price you pay if you want all the special international keys.

So... expensive, or nothing.  Those are your choices.   :(
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 25 June 2015, 12:15:45
Any info on when this will potentially be running? Is this going to go through massdrop like the jukebox set while PMK is doing their store changes or do we have to wait for it to run through PMK as a store option?
Waiting for the new PMK store. Dont know how to make it to masddrop though the only way is to get there enough votes. I think it will be faster todo it through PMK store.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 25 June 2015, 12:22:16
Any reason to put all the international sets together? It would make the subset unnecessarily expensive for all ISO users, for example for UK's that just need a few keys, and will have a bunch of caps with no use at all.

The reason is that separate ISO kits do not tip. So i choose the Granite approach. Yes it will be expensive. But it has much higher chances to tip. So if you had the decision to make to pay more and get something that you desire or cheaper but with unrealistic chances to tip. I already asked PMK to make ISO kits as base stuff at their store like they will do it with blanks, but i am still waiting for the answer. 
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Cameron on Thu, 25 June 2015, 20:08:55
Any info on when this will potentially be running? Is this going to go through massdrop like the jukebox set while PMK is doing their store changes or do we have to wait for it to run through PMK as a store option?
Waiting for the new PMK store. Dont know how to make it to masddrop though the only way is to get there enough votes. I think it will be faster todo it through PMK store.

Not enough people voted on it in massdrops poll :( This makes me sad.

https://www.massdrop.com/vote/what-brand-new-sa-keycap-set-would-you-like-to-have-produced
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Vizir on Thu, 25 June 2015, 20:26:52
not many people knew about it. no one posted that poll here.  :(
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: diqkiq on Thu, 25 June 2015, 21:41:21
not many people knew about it. no one posted that poll here.  :(
No kidding. I'm not buying the Jukebox because I'm waiting for the Carbon
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 26 June 2015, 01:26:52
Any info on when this will potentially be running? Is this going to go through massdrop like the jukebox set while PMK is doing their store changes or do we have to wait for it to run through PMK as a store option?
Waiting for the new PMK store. Dont know how to make it to masddrop though the only way is to get there enough votes. I think it will be faster todo it through PMK store.

Not enough people voted on it in massdrops poll :( This makes me sad.

https://www.massdrop.com/vote/what-brand-new-sa-keycap-set-would-you-like-to-have-produced
Carbon was added too late when Jukebox already had more than 100 votes.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:25:52
not many people knew about it. no one posted that poll here.  :(
Sry GeekHack is blacklisted by email services i use and because of this i couldnt get conformation mail for registration.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:28:19
Updated first Page with approximate costs for Carbon and its child deals.
For the lazy one i do it here again:
Base Set
25 sets      $128 per set
50 sets      $93 per set
75 sets      $82 per set
100 sets      $76 per set
150 sets      $70 per set
200 sets      $67 per set
250 sets      $66 per set

Flex Kit
10 sets      $41 per set
15 sets      $35 per set
25 sets      $30 per set
50 sets      $26 per set
75 sets      $25 per set
100 sets      $24 per set
200 sets      $23 per set

Mod Kit
10 sets      $120 per set
15 sets      $87 per set
25 sets      $60 per set
50 sets      $41 per set
75 sets      $34 per set
100 sets      $31 per set
150 sets      $27 per set
200 sets      $26 per set
250 sets      $25 per set

Plank / Atomic
10 sets      $133 per set
15 sets      $96 per set
25 sets      $67 per set
50 sets      $46 per set
75 sets      $38 per set
100 sets      $34 per set
150 sets      $30 per set
200 sets      $29 per set
250 sets      $27 per set

ErgoDox
10 sets      $123 per set
15 sets      $91 per set
25 sets      $65 per set
50 sets      $45 per set
75 sets      $39 per set
100 sets      $36 per set
150 sets      $32 per set
200 sets      $31 per set
250 sets      $30 per set

ISO Kit
10 sets      $99 per set
15 sets      $80 per set
25 sets      $65 per set
50 sets      $53 per set
75 sets      $50 per set
100 sets      $48 per set
150 sets      $46 per set
200 sets      $45 per set
250 sets      $44 per set

Mac Kit
10 sets      $42 per set
15 sets      $32 per set
25 sets      $23 per set
50 sets      $17 per set
75 sets      $14 per set
100 sets      $13 per set
150 sets      $12 per set
250 sets      $11 per set

Novelties
10 sets      $146 per set
15 sets      $103 per set
25 sets      $69 per set
50 sets      $44 per set
75 sets      $35 per set
100 sets      $31 per set
150 sets      $27 per set
200 sets      $25 per set
250 sets      $23 per set

Numpad Kit
10 sets      $70 per set
15 sets      $51 per set
25 sets      $37 per set
50 sets      $26 per set
75 sets      $22 per set
100 sets      $21 per set
150 sets      $19 per set
200 sets      $18 per set
250 sets      $17 per set

Orange Alphas
10 sets      $22 per set
15 sets      $19 per set
25 sets      $16 per set
50 sets      $14 per set
100 sets      $13 per set

Keep in mind these are approximated costs so they are not final.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 02 July 2015, 10:47:31
Found on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3bugp3/photos_found_more_fitting_keycaps_for_my_keyboard/), looks somewhat similar to Carbon:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZkmIpUQ.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: simonyunhe on Thu, 02 July 2015, 10:48:31
Ohoo GH is back...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: simonyunhe on Thu, 02 July 2015, 10:49:40

Found on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3bugp3/photos_found_more_fitting_keycaps_for_my_keyboard/), looks somewhat similar to Carbon:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZkmIpUQ.jpg)

I also saw this one, anyone know this name of this set?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 02 July 2015, 10:58:15

Found on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3bugp3/photos_found_more_fitting_keycaps_for_my_keyboard/), looks somewhat similar to Carbon:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZkmIpUQ.jpg)

I also saw this one, anyone know this name of this set?
It's a combination of multiple keysets. The alphas are from an ancient Cherry board:
(https://i.imgur.com/iTd0VTJ.jpg)
(more images (http://imgur.com/a/bPqTw))
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 02 July 2015, 11:02:14
Found on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3bugp3/photos_found_more_fitting_keycaps_for_my_keyboard/), looks somewhat similar to Carbon:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZkmIpUQ.jpg)

Looks great. Wrote already a comment in reddit.

Anyway glad Geekhack is back and i dont need to trash reddit with my questions.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: HelixDan on Sat, 04 July 2015, 02:41:16
base kit is required for other sub deals

wha means?  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 02:50:16
base kit is required for other sub deals

wha means?  :-X

I believe it means you need to buy the base kit in order to be able to buy any of the other kits.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 04 July 2015, 03:18:17
base kit is required for other sub deals

wha means?  :-X

I believe it means you need to buy the base kit in order to be able to buy any of the other kits.
In the old PMK store, you didn't have buy the base set in order to get the child-deals. Not sure how it'll be in the new store, but I don't think they will change that.

I think what was meant here is that you need to get the base kit with a child-deal in order to cover the whole keyboard. For example, the numpad kit does not automatically include the base kit. Also, you need the base along with the int kit to be able to fill your whole keyboard with keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: HelixDan on Sat, 04 July 2015, 03:31:50
base kit is required for other sub deals

wha means?  :-X

I believe it means you need to buy the base kit in order to be able to buy any of the other kits.

 :( i think so, just wanted to make sure. Wish the new PMP store will change that
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 04 July 2015, 03:51:01
base kit is required for other sub deals

wha means?  :-X

I believe it means you need to buy the base kit in order to be able to buy any of the other kits.
In the old PMK store, you didn't have buy the base set in order to get the child-deals. Not sure how it'll be in the new store, but I don't think they will change that.

I think what was meant here is that you need to get the base kit with a child-deal in order to cover the whole keyboard. For example, the numpad kit does not automatically include the base kit. Also, you need the base along with the int kit to be able to fill your whole keyboard with keycaps.

If you look at previous GBs there was always a main deal which must me be bought in order to buy other child deals. Mostly these maind deals were alphas only, but with the changes to the new store (max 10 child deals) i see nothing wrong with base kit. Or should i remove one child deal?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: henz on Sat, 04 July 2015, 03:52:29
looks nice, but i have enough SA saets for now.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 04 July 2015, 04:17:42
Updated the pricing for the orange alphas, see first page too:
10 sets      $66 per set
15 sets      $55 per set
25 sets      $45 per set
50 sets      $39 per set
75 sets      $36 per set
100 sets      $35 per set
150 sets      $34 per set
250 sets      $33 per set

Anyway as you can see Dvorak and Colemak kit is missing. I asked Melissa about new Store Rules with max 10 Child Deals. As you can see right now we got a main deal (Base kit) and 10 Child Deals, making it together 11 Deals. So i need to clarify if Carbon is breaking this rule. I thats the case the Orange Alphas will go. I also asked about the possibility to buy child deals without buying the base kit. If its possible i will remove the notation from the base kit. Most people will end anyway getting the base kit as it has the alphas.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 08:23:43
Love this set. If I don't end up buying one of the extra sets from Modern Selectric this will be my first SA set!!! I can't wait for PMK to come back up so we can get this set going. Nice work T0mb3ry.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 04 July 2015, 19:55:11
I asked Melissa about new Store Rules with max 10 Child Deals. As you can see right now we got a main deal (Base kit) and 10 Child Deals, making it together 11 Deals. So i need to clarify if Carbon is breaking this rule. I thats the case the Orange Alphas will go.

I'm sure Melissa will allow it because she is the MOST caring and decent person to deal with.  THE ORANGE ALPHAS have to STAY, because they shall be used with other key-sets that were made in the past.

PLEASE keep the Orange Alphas  :'( .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 19:58:28
I want the orange alphas. Can they please stay  :'( :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 20:02:22
Orange alphas ftw.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 05 July 2015, 04:13:33
I personaly want to stay them too. Let us first find out how is it with max 10 child deals.
Here are these rules:
- See more at: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/a-new-pmk-is-on-its-way/#sthash.HrNFMvBP.dpuf

If i read these rules, i for me understand that there is a base set and 10 child deals. In this case Carbon is not breaking these rules. However i want just to clarify it first. My sorrows about this came in my mind, as there was no Dvorak / Colemak in approximated pricing list. So i am just checking whats going on.

Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 05 July 2015, 04:21:23
I asked Melissa about new Store Rules with max 10 Child Deals. As you can see right now we got a main deal (Base kit) and 10 Child Deals, making it together 11 Deals. So i need to clarify if Carbon is breaking this rule. I thats the case the Orange Alphas will go.

I'm sure Melissa will allow it because she is the MOST caring and decent person to deal with.  THE ORANGE ALPHAS have to STAY, because they shall be used with other key-sets that were made in the past.

PLEASE keep the Orange Alphas  :'( .

Not only i see it like this: for Example you got a tkl keyboard and a Planck (or Ergodox). You get base kit for tkl and ergodox kit with orange alphas for Ergodox. If you want orange alphas on tkl just swap them with ergodox. profit...
Getting both may allow you doing some crazy sh!t, like (orange/beige) zebra stripes or even chess like alphas.
And if you got other keysets which you can mix too, then it brings the whole fun to the next level.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 05 July 2015, 05:11:44
Not only i see it like this: for Example you got a tkl keyboard and a Planck (or Ergodox). You get base kit for tkl and ergodox kit with orange alphas for Ergodox. If you want orange alphas on tkl just swap them with ergodox. profit...
Getting both may allow you doing some crazy sh!t, like (orange/beige) zebra stripes or even chess like alphas.
And if you got other keysets which you can mix too, then it brings the whole fun to the next level.

Just as long the Orange Alphas are included in something, makes me sleep better at night  8) .

Shall buy at least 3 sets of Orange Alphas when this starts, you can count on that  :thumb: .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Supergeek on Mon, 06 July 2015, 15:18:13
Wow, those novelties are looking to be pretty expensive. I expected some icon mods and Esc, not twenty different symbols and 6 keys dedicated to forum self-love jacking the price up the yin yang.

I'll probably just end up getting the base kit. :(
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 06 July 2015, 15:20:30
Studying organic chemistry just makes me want to throw my money at this set more and more. PMK why you no open.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 06 July 2015, 16:05:57
Wow, those novelties are looking to be pretty expensive. I expected some icon mods and Esc, not twenty different symbols and 6 keys dedicated to forum self-love jacking the price up the yin yang.

I'll probably just end up getting the base kit. :(
Sorry i actually like to split Novelties into 3 Child Deals but there is limit of max 10 child deals. Anyway if they sells 100 times it will get for my personall taste acceptable price. I will buy them anyway even for 100+ bucks.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 07 July 2015, 17:05:45
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 07 July 2015, 17:09:35
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.
Did you get pricing for the DC kit?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Tue, 07 July 2015, 19:46:05
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.

Yesssssssssssssss this is the best news today  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 07 July 2015, 21:01:16
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.

Yesssssssssssssss this is the best news today  :p

Like I said, Melissa delivers everything you could want when organizing a Group Buy.  You have to love her for being that way, SP would be nothing without her at the helm  :thumb: .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: HelixDan on Tue, 07 July 2015, 23:11:49
Why is Mac Kit so expensive?  some kit include more keys num(mac kit is 12 keys) and it is cheaper than Mac kit  :eek: :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 08 July 2015, 01:55:29
Why is Mac Kit so expensive?  some kit include more keys num(mac kit is 12 keys) and it is cheaper than Mac kit  :o :o :o

It's a clue, that maybe you need to forget the Mac once and for all  :D .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 08 July 2015, 02:15:46
Why is Mac Kit so expensive?  some kit include more keys num(mac kit is 12 keys) and it is cheaper than Mac kit  :eek: :eek: :eek:

The only comparison I see that makes the mac kit look expensive is comparing it to the flex kit at the 25 and below price tiers. Looking at prices for the rest of the sets, it actually looks more like the flex kit is unexpectedly affordable than the mac kit is unreasonably expensive.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Wed, 08 July 2015, 04:15:18
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.

Yesssssssssssssss this is the best news today  :p

Like I said, Melissa delivers everything you could want when organizing a Group Buy.  You have to love her for being that way, SP would be nothing without her at the helm  :thumb: .

Too true. If only they would reopen the store then everything would be a okay.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 08 July 2015, 10:27:57
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.
Did you get pricing for the DC kit?
Yes i got the DC pricing today:
10 sets      $45
15 sets      $35
25 sets      $28
50 sets      $22
75 sets      $20
100 sets      $19
150 sets      $18
200 sets      $17

Did the update to the first page too...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 08 July 2015, 10:34:29
Why is Mac Kit so expensive?  some kit include more keys num(mac kit is 12 keys) and it is cheaper than Mac kit  :eek: :eek: :eek:
Actually i have no idea why it is so expensive. Maybe its because of mod keys > 1u size. You know its not a secret if you visit some online stores using apple products what you get higher prices. There was a research done and i read these articles and you know its not a joke.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 08 July 2015, 23:21:59
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.
Did you get pricing for the DC kit?
Yes i got the DC pricing today:
10 sets      $45
15 sets      $35
25 sets      $28
50 sets      $22
75 sets      $20
100 sets      $19
150 sets      $18
200 sets      $17

Did the update to the first page too...

Thanks for that.

Although, whereabouts is the 7x spacebar because you seem to be only showing on the front page of this section a 6.25 spacebar?

A lot of us have and need 7x spacers due to our love of the "tsangan kit"  8) .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Melanic on Thu, 09 July 2015, 12:08:18
Although, whereabouts is the 7x spacebar because you seem to be only showing on the front page of this section a 6.25 spacebar?

From OP
Updated:
fitting max 10 child deals rule of pmk.
Blanks and Spacebars will be available in the store per default.

Anyways, is there any time frame for when PMK will go live with the new system?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Fri, 10 July 2015, 16:45:53
Anyways, is there any time frame for when PMK will go live with the new system?

They've given no indication.  At least, not publicly.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 10 July 2015, 18:57:33
hey, any update on this? Also, should you want to run this on MD and not PMK let me know, I'll point the guys there your way to see what they think. I would be quite comfortable telling them this will be a pretty large GB ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Fri, 10 July 2015, 19:10:34
hey, any update on this? Also, should you want to run this on MD and not PMK let me know, I'll point the guys there your way to see what they think. I would be quite comfortable telling them this will be a pretty large GB ;)

Listen to him :) he did the jukebox set which was a big hit on massdrop
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 11 July 2015, 05:03:02
Hello people!

I asked already Melissa for the new Shopping System. Sadly i got no reply. And i think we will not get an update anytime soon...

I am thinking about running it through MD. But i dont know the conditions of MD. So i must learn them first.

Also if it runs through MD, i am interessted to make this only one time GB. If you are against it, i am willing to make other rounds but in huge timelines in between of runs. Or we make it if people vote enough(like usual). Anyway by voting Granite will always win :p

Additonally i must adjust the Child Deals for MD. For this i need more info from MD.

Reply and let me know how do you think about it! I will always listen to you.

After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: simonyunhe on Sat, 11 July 2015, 07:35:38
Good to know, I had use MD for couple of time. The system is  easy to use and the responses are always on time. For my own thought, the MD is a good place to go since we don't have any date of the PMK's new website.(http://i.imgur.com/l4CMtAW.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Melanic on Sat, 11 July 2015, 09:14:19
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.

After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.
Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme?  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Zustiur on Sat, 11 July 2015, 09:55:37
I want base + colemak + ergodox
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 11 July 2015, 13:20:29
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.

After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.
Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme?  ;D
Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)

The color scheme is not final:
(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)

Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.

Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 13:25:21
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.

After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.
Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme?  ;D
Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)

The color scheme is not final:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)


Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.

Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.

Ah I love it. Can't wait :DDDDDD
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 11 July 2015, 13:28:33
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.

After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.
Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme?  ;D
Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)

The color scheme is not final:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)


Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.

Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.

Ah I love it. Can't wait :DDDDDD

But first things first. I must finish Carbon after that i will work on Umka. Actually i let you people decide which profile will be used.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 13:36:40
I can't wait for Carbon to go live <3 Profile I'm not sure what to suggest. With Carbon being SA maybe do DCS or Cherry?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 11 July 2015, 17:41:21
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.

After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.
Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme?  ;D
Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)

The color scheme is not final:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)


Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.

Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.

You should look into JTK for this.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Melanic on Sun, 12 July 2015, 00:21:07
Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)

The color scheme is not final:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)


Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.

Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.
One of the first things that came to mind when I watched that video was the Gund Snuffles bear (they are designed to look in to the sky, or moon to be exact). Which isn't bad thing   :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 17 July 2015, 15:43:17
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/pimpmykeyboard/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Novelties.png)

That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Fri, 17 July 2015, 15:49:35
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?
Show Image
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/pimpmykeyboard/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Novelties.png)


That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.

If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared.  I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy.  Like pretty much everything in that kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 17 July 2015, 15:53:32
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?
Show Image
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/pimpmykeyboard/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Novelties.png)


That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.

If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared.  I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy.  Like pretty much everything in that kit.

Plus it's the wrong row profile anyway.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 17 July 2015, 15:59:59
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?

That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.

If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared.  I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy.  Like pretty much everything in that kit.

Plus it's the wrong row profile anyway.
:-\ :-\ How could I oversee this. :confused:

I guess the answer is pretty clear then.

BTW, MiTo is alive. He's on Reddit nowadays (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/search?q=author%3ALyqu1d&sort=new&restrict_sr=on&t=all) and I'm pretty sure he would allow to use the mold. Carbon also started out on Reddit.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Fri, 17 July 2015, 16:19:47
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?

That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.

If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared.  I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy.  Like pretty much everything in that kit.

Plus it's the wrong row profile anyway.
:-\ :-\ How could I oversee this. :confused:

I guess that answer is pretty clear then.

BTW, MiTo is alive. He's on Reddit nowadays (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/search?q=author%3ALyqu1d&sort=new&restrict_sr=on&t=all) and I'm pretty sure he would allow to use the mold. Carbon also started out on Reddit.

Oh, it's good to hear that he's back.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 17 July 2015, 17:08:45
I send Melissa only the new icons. It is supposed to reuse already existing icons. If there are some authorized icons and if i dont get permission then new legends will be made. Melissa also told me that the legends can be used on any row. The "molds" are made only for key profile. The "legend" or "icon" are part of the mold and can be used on any other mold. In this case Geek Hack, R/MK/ and radiation sign should be reused. So basically (i think) this is the pricing with existing legend molds.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: rohanmital on Mon, 20 July 2015, 09:13:29
In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 20 July 2015, 10:39:10
In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!

Due to new PMK rules the child deals are limited to 10. So we can split several carbon related novelties across all child deals (this will make child deals more expensive) or remove Warning Signs and let only Carbon related, geekhack and rmk keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 11:39:55
In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!

In the Group Buy format, generally people need to subsidize other peoples' purchases as well in order to make things affordable for everyone. For example, International kits generally cover many different languages, the vast majority of users will never have reason to use all of the keys from the Intl kit. But by putting all of those keys in one kit, it allows all users to meet MOQ for their language in particular. You see similar cases with pro modifier kits, that allow support of many alternate layouts, few of which could meet MOQ on their own. With the novelty set, because the warning signs and carbon-related novelties are largely new legends, the kit may require more keys to be made in order for prices to drop to a reasonable price. Removing some of the novelties from the novelty kit will reduce the chance of the remaining keys succeeding.

In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!

Due to new PMK rules the child deals are limited to 10. So we can split several carbon related novelties across all child deals (this will make child deals more expensive) or remove Warning Signs and let only Carbon related, geekhack and rmk keys.

Please do not remove the warning signs. They are what make this set so attractive to me, and I feel as though they really tie the set together. The other novelties are nice too, but I really like the look of the novelties as a numrow stripe, and their unique design is what I feel makes this set special.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 20 July 2015, 12:26:57
In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!

In the Group Buy format, generally people need to subsidize other peoples' purchases as well in order to make things affordable for everyone. For example, International kits generally cover many different languages, the vast majority of users will never have reason to use all of the keys from the Intl kit. But by putting all of those keys in one kit, it allows all users to meet MOQ for their language in particular. You see similar cases with pro modifier kits, that allow support of many alternate layouts, few of which could meet MOQ on their own. With the novelty set, because the warning signs and carbon-related novelties are largely new legends, the kit may require more keys to be made in order for prices to drop to a reasonable price. Removing some of the novelties from the novelty kit will reduce the chance of the remaining keys succeeding.

In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!

Due to new PMK rules the child deals are limited to 10. So we can split several carbon related novelties across all child deals (this will make child deals more expensive) or remove Warning Signs and let only Carbon related, geekhack and rmk keys.

Please do not remove the warning signs. They are what make this set so attractive to me, and I feel as though they really tie the set together. The other novelties are nice too, but I really like the look of the novelties as a numrow stripe, and their unique design is what I feel makes this set special.

Ofcourse i will not remove the Warning Signs as they are the cherry on top of ice cream  ;) Just want to make clear if i move Carbon related keys to other child deals this will not make the novetlies cheaper. Carbon related keys require only 3 new legends made! Its nothing and because of this the Novelites will most likely stay as they are. With enough people this kit will be affordable for everyone. And as i said i personaly will buy it even for over 100 bucks. I need it so badly.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:31:56
If you like you can vote for Carbon on MassDrop here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/pbt-keycaps-that-arent-granite
As i already said i am willing to run it through Massdrop. Though i dont know about the conditions. So i must somehow talk to someone from MussDrop.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:40:34
If you like you can vote for Carbon on MassDrop here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/pbt-keycaps-that-arent-granite
As i already said i am willing to run it through Massdrop. Though i dont know about the conditions. So i must somehow talk to someone from MussDrop.

That vote is ostensibly for PBT keysets. I do not believe that SP does doubleshot PBT in SA profile, and this set will not work in dyesub because some keys have light legends on dark keys (modifiers, orange on grey).
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Melanic on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:13:49
If you like you can vote for Carbon on MassDrop here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/pbt-keycaps-that-arent-granite
As i already said i am willing to run it through Massdrop. Though i dont know about the conditions. So i must somehow talk to someone from MussDrop.

That vote is ostensibly for PBT keysets. I do not believe that SP does doubleshot PBT in SA profile, and this set will not work in dyesub because some keys have light legends on dark keys (modifiers, orange on grey).

Maybe I'm mistaken, but from the pictures it doesn't seem like any of them can be dyesubbed, given the colour schemes.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:18:08
If you like you can vote for Carbon on MassDrop here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/pbt-keycaps-that-arent-granite
As i already said i am willing to run it through Massdrop. Though i dont know about the conditions. So i must somehow talk to someone from MussDrop.

That vote is ostensibly for PBT keysets. I do not believe that SP does doubleshot PBT in SA profile, and this set will not work in dyesub because some keys have light legends on dark keys (modifiers, orange on grey).

Maybe I'm mistaken, but from the pictures it doesn't seem like any of them can be dyesubbed, given the colour schemes.

I think you're right -- I was commenting specifically about this set though.

Probably the poll was made by someone who doesn't know the difference. I think it's too bad that people are likely going to be misled into believing that Carbon will be PBT, and it will hurt the set overall.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 22 July 2015, 00:01:37
Thats right the title of the poll is misleading. Anyway if you want you can vote but people must be informed about that missleading title. ps. It wasnt me who made this poll i found it just.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 00:05:19
Thats right the title of the poll is misleading. Anyway if you want you can vote but people must be informed about that missleading title. ps. It wasnt me who made this poll i found it just.

It's been changed :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 22 July 2015, 05:41:22
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?
Show Image
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/pimpmykeyboard/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Novelties.png)


That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.

If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared.  I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy.  Like pretty much everything in that kit.

Plus it's the wrong row profile anyway.

Legends are profile row-agnostic, they can be used on any row. So if you get permission from MiTo, you can use that on any row you like.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 22 July 2015, 15:06:32
Started a Poll for the Carbon Child Deals at MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/carbon-keyset-sa-profile
Please vote i need it for the Evaluation. Thank you!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 15:15:47
Just voted. Orange Alphas FTW!!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: UTEster750 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 21:17:23
So pumped! Just voted.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 23 July 2015, 19:57:51
ORANGE!!!!!

Voted!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 24 July 2015, 13:49:17
Hey thanks for the support guys! Right now i got a lot of work todo, you know Carbon Group Buy is scheduled for like mid August (if everything goes well). So stay tuned!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: HelixDan on Mon, 27 July 2015, 00:52:12
Started a Poll for the Carbon Child Deals at MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/carbon-keyset-sa-profile
Please vote i need it for the Evaluation. Thank you!

 :-X the counting of votes only include 1st choice
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 27 July 2015, 02:02:16
Started a Poll for the Carbon Child Deals at MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/carbon-keyset-sa-profile
Please vote i need it for the Evaluation. Thank you!

 :-X the counting of votes only include 1st choice

And it limits you to three choices.

If you want more useful information about relative interest of each child deal, I would suggest creating a Google form or something to collect interest.

E: wow that's a lot of interest! If you're thinking about running the buy through Massdrop, I'd get in touch with them and see if Carbon can be run in a way similar to how MiTo DCS is being run right now -- it seems like the kits need a bit of unique work on Massdrop's end, so probably better to open that line of communication sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 27 July 2015, 07:56:38
Started a Poll for the Carbon Child Deals at MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/carbon-keyset-sa-profile
Please vote i need it for the Evaluation. Thank you!

 :-X the counting of votes only include 1st choice

And it limits you to three choices.

If you want more useful information about relative interest of each child deal, I would suggest creating a Google form or something to collect interest.

E: wow that's a lot of interest! If you're thinking about running the buy through Massdrop, I'd get in touch with them and see if Carbon can be run in a way similar to how MiTo DCS is being run right now -- it seems like the kits need a bit of unique work on Massdrop's end, so probably better to open that line of communication sooner rather than later.

Even if MassDrop allows only three votes it gives us better overview. I know there also people who want to buy almost every child deal. So i keep it short, every child deal will be available if it drops. What we did is splitting the novelties into 3 separate child deals (Novelties, Warning Signs and Forum kits). Warning Sings include Lambda key. Novelies only Carbon keys and Forum kit speaks for its self :) I hope this give you more room for decisions.

Besides that i am already in touch with MassDrop officials since the poll has been started. Basically there are no concerns about the child deals, so they stay as they are right now. Besides Novelties but i mentioned the changes already.

While you and me (i for myself got some stuff todo until the actual drop) are waiting, i'd like to show you some guide renderers for basic Carbon configurations. So there will be some more renderers after all.
(http://i.imgur.com/nInO80Q.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YrZxzZt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WUrHA2t.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TpHFnpO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Nc2EAo5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Frx7KlU.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:30:18
Beautiful!

I want this set on ALL my keyboards... can't wait for it to become available. Those orange alphas....
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:34:12
Those mockups look amazing! :eek: :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:39:11
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:41:38
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
GMK doesn't do custom legends.

Your only real option is SP.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:42:59
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
SA profile
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:44:00
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK

Its a SA profile so the manufacturer can only be Signature Plastics. Have you tried SA profile already? From my subjective view they feel the best. I own DCS pbt from ducky and vortex also Deep Space DSA Profile and they do not come close to the typing feel of SA Profile. But that is just my personal opinion :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 27 July 2015, 12:02:45
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
SA profile

My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 27 July 2015, 14:29:15
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
SA profile

My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...

Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 27 July 2015, 14:57:57
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
SA profile

My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...

Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D

Hack'd is 3-1-2-3-4-3, this is 1-1-2-3-4-4.

IMO, what makes this stand out from Hack'd is the novelty keys, and the incorporation of brighter alphas. Definitely in the same colour family as hack'd, and probably will be appealing to a similar group, but I think there's enough in Carbon to make it different.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 27 July 2015, 17:03:09
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
SA profile

My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...

Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D

Hack'd is 3-1-2-3-4-3, this is 1-1-2-3-4-4.

IMO, what makes this stand out from Hack'd is the novelty keys, and the incorporation of brighter alphas. Definitely in the same colour family as hack'd, and probably will be appealing to a similar group, but I think there's enough in Carbon to make it different.

Fine... I'm in. I love the Orange.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 27 July 2015, 17:38:46
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
SA profile

My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...

Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D

Hack'd is 3-1-2-3-4-3, this is 1-1-2-3-4-4.

IMO, what makes this stand out from Hack'd is the novelty keys, and the incorporation of brighter alphas. Definitely in the same colour family as hack'd, and probably will be appealing to a similar group, but I think there's enough in Carbon to make it different.

It's kind of like if Penumbra and Hack'd had a baby with the best genes from both ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 27 July 2015, 18:02:08
Do we know the manufacturer yet?

GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
SA profile

My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...

Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D

Hack'd is 3-1-2-3-4-3, this is 1-1-2-3-4-4.

IMO, what makes this stand out from Hack'd is the novelty keys, and the incorporation of brighter alphas. Definitely in the same colour family as hack'd, and probably will be appealing to a similar group, but I think there's enough in Carbon to make it different.

It's kind of like if Penumbra and Hack'd had a baby with the best genes from both ;)

Ah I didn't know that about Hack'd thank you for informing me!!! I'm so down for this set...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 30 July 2015, 11:08:14
Ok i got more guide renders for you guys. You will admit there are some changes to novelties. As is said those are splitted. The only missing here in renders is the Forum keys.
(http://i.imgur.com/ps5lHTS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RKRk7R8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9A86N4V.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1jr6NnC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oOAYrlh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NXtqpg5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7hXo4Cm.jpg)
Also some Ortholinear Art :)
(http://i.imgur.com/yZJFOO1.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 30 July 2015, 11:13:16
so excited for this!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 30 July 2015, 11:29:19
so excited for this!
Ohhh boy me too :D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: UTEster750 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 20:13:46
Will the white 2u key with the hexagons be available in the novelty set, or just in planck?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 30 July 2015, 23:59:05
Will the white 2u key with the hexagons be available in the novelty set, or just in planck?
Its only planck/atomic kit. Actually the novelty kit contains similar key for enter but its not 2u size.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: UTEster750 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 19:33:52
Will the white 2u key with the hexagons be available in the novelty set, or just in planck?
Its only planck/atomic kit. Actually the novelty kit contains similar key for enter but its not 2u size.
Ok that will still be cool!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 01 August 2015, 02:14:32
Will the white 2u key with the hexagons be available in the novelty set, or just in planck?
Its only planck/atomic kit. Actually the novelty kit contains similar key for enter but its not 2u size.
Ok that will still be cool!
Forgot to mention those Enter keys are in grey and orange colors. So the white graphene 2u key is planck/atomic exclusive.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 02 August 2015, 17:20:37
ETA never?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Melanic on Sun, 02 August 2015, 21:49:10
ETA never?

Hey thanks for the support guys! Right now i got a lot of work todo, you know Carbon Group Buy is scheduled for like mid August (if everything goes well). So stay tuned!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 03 August 2015, 10:46:56
ETA never?
Wait for the Drop (http://coub.com/view/7anr6)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:15:04
I'd like to share with you the announcement of Carbon on Keychatter (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/08/05/first-look-carbon-sa-keycap-coming-to-massdrop/).
The Child Deals showed on Keychatter are those you will see in the Drop.
The GB will start in the next "few" days.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:21:16
I'd like to share with you the announcement of Carbon on Keychatter (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/08/05/first-look-carbon-sa-keycap-coming-to-massdrop/).
The Child Deals showed on Keychatter are those you will see in the Drop.
The GB will start in the next "few" days.
Super excited!

R.I.P. PMK group buys.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:31:06
Quote

R.I.P. PMK group buys.

This isn't a bad thing ;)

Besides sets like this deserve a bit better I think. Carbon is a masterwork  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:49:00
Hype!

Fingers crossed that there aren't any shipping issues like with TA.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:53:37
Hype!

Fingers crossed that there aren't any shipping issues like with TA.

Nah with SP you mainly have to worry about wrong legends and wrong profiles.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:01:05
This isn't a bad thing ;)

Besides sets like this deserve a bit better I think. Carbon is a masterwork  :thumb:
Shipping-wise, both are equally as bad for me, but I would've liked to see SP's new model kick off with such an awesome set. Especially the pre-production and in turn real life samples are interesting.

Missed chance for SP I guess, not sure what their new platform is doing. Would like some updates about it.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:32:43
This isn't a bad thing ;)

Besides sets like this deserve a bit better I think. Carbon is a masterwork  :thumb:
Shipping-wise, both are equally as bad for me, but I would've liked to see SP's new model kick off with such an awesome set. Especially the pre-production and in turn real life samples are interesting.

Missed chance for SP I guess, not sure what their new platform is doing. Would like some updates about it.

They have been very tight-lipped about it, including toward people who have a working relationship with them.  All I've heard is that is has been delayed well past their original release window.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:10:54
Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:18:58
Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.
I think its to late at this stage/phase to make changes. But depending on how the drop goes out (say it will do well), i will continue developing of Carbon. In this case i already thought of cyrillic alphas. Question is do SP has legendmolds for cyrillic? If not that will be very expensive. As far as i know each new Legendmold costs around 75$.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:20:53
Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.
I think its to late at this stage/phase to make changes. But depending on how the drop goes out (say it will do well), i will keep the developing of Carbon. In this case i already thought of cyrillic alphas. Question is do SP has legendmolds for cyrillic? If not that will be very expensive. As far as i know each new Legendmold costs around 75$.
I see! That makes sense. I know they're doing a cyrillic for the MiTo DSA set, but they're Dye-subing that.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:32:50
Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.
I think its to late at this stage/phase to make changes. But depending on how the drop goes out (say it will do well), i will keep the developing of Carbon. In this case i already thought of cyrillic alphas. Question is do SP has legendmolds for cyrillic? If not that will be very expensive. As far as i know each new Legendmold costs around 75$.
I see! That makes sense. I know they're doing a cyrillic for the MiTo DSA set, but they're Dye-subing that.

I can look into that. I honestly need to just ask for a heaping list of what molds they have just to know for development anyways. I can post publicly if i get a good answer.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:36:46
Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.
I think its to late at this stage/phase to make changes. But depending on how the drop goes out (say it will do well), i will keep the developing of Carbon. In this case i already thought of cyrillic alphas. Question is do SP has legendmolds for cyrillic? If not that will be very expensive. As far as i know each new Legendmold costs around 75$.
I see! That makes sense. I know they're doing a cyrillic for the MiTo DSA set, but they're Dye-subing that.

I can look into that. I honestly need to just ask for a heaping list of what molds they have just to know for development anyways. I can post publicly if i get a good answer.

Yay! That would be awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: xmrxx on Fri, 07 August 2015, 10:33:21
too bad we will never see CROATIAN/SLOVENIAN/SERBIAN/BOSNIAN / Layout  ( they are all same ) , i am sure people from these countries are also willing to pay for that.
here is an example. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/KB_Slovene.svg/420px-KB_Slovene.svg.png
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 07 August 2015, 11:12:04
Right now its late to make any changes. I'll look into it for the next round.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: yobinad on Fri, 07 August 2015, 12:19:38
There will be a 2nd round of Carbon?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 07 August 2015, 12:23:54
There will be a 2nd round of Carbon?
No. But depending on how first round goes i might consider second round. In this case i will continue developing Carbon. If not then its ok. So i do not promise anything. Literally i do not promise!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 07 August 2015, 15:15:34
In case someone is interested in round two happening. Know this i am also interested in it. But first things first. Round one doesnt even started. I cant see into the future. I dont know how well or bad it will sell. After people get their keyset i also would like to know opinions of owners and their critic. If they are going to be happy with it or not. After all these things had hapened, i will then decide if Carbon deserves the round 2.

You know people are liking just the mockups. I would like to see the real product first and hear that people will say about it. I am just trying to stay realistically.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: bbrotha on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:44:23
totally understandable, I know it will rock!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: yobinad on Sat, 08 August 2015, 10:22:37
IMO it has everything to be successful. That color scheme plus SA profile is great  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:13:53
Carbon live on Massdrop now!!! :-)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:18:59
(http://i.imgur.com/tHw0b.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Invaderevan on Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:24:24
ordered! excited for the ergodox set, I need to get on building one now I guess :P
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 10 August 2015, 11:16:39
Im in for base, ergo, planck kits.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:47:31
Im in for base, ergo, planck kits.  :thumb:
participating too.
Though the picture below isnt ready i have to draw some more keys, but i dream to end like this  :))
(http://i.imgur.com/6FhSlYL.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 10 August 2015, 14:06:15
Will be ordering near the end of the buy period.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 10 August 2015, 14:13:45
Will be ordering near the end of the buy period.

Just order now and select bitcoin as payment. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 10 August 2015, 14:33:27
Will be ordering near the end of the buy period.

Just order now and select bitcoin as payment. :)

+1
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 10 August 2015, 20:59:02
Will be ordering near the end of the buy period.

Just order now and select bitcoin as payment. :)

I was hoping to get my Hack'd in before I ordered a second SA set.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wafflepc on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:10:19
Just joined the GB on massdrop :D
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 12 August 2015, 03:48:07
I know the group buy just started and we had ample of time to make corrections, but there are always things that slip through. I'm pretty confident that we'll see a Round 2 for this, so I'd like to list some points for potential improvement, just so they don't slip under the rug the second time.

Maybe others have some suggestions too (possibly from Massdrop comments or Reddit). :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 August 2015, 04:31:02
I know the group buy just started and we had ample to time to make corrections, but there are always things that slip through. I'm pretty confident that we'll see a Round 2 for this, so I'd like to list some points for potential improvement, just so they don't slip under the rug the second time.

Maybe others have some suggestions too (possibly from Massdrop comments or Reddit). :thumb:

  • Add '@ key to ISO kit for UK Dvorak users
  • Add grey arrow and PrtScn/ScrLk/Pause keys to Flex kit
    • I feel like you already had those in the Flex kit and removed them? Not sure...
  • Make extra 6.25u spacebars available
  • Split up ISO kit?

Wlhlm,

you know i always listen to community. But if GB starts its over to make changes. We got like two months of development. And now people start to appear with their subjective wishes. It was well known project on reddrit and here. Just my two cents. For the next possible round i wish more input from people who care for this project and not only for my project but also for others.

Anyway i dont blame you or others who already were active while development. I am very thankfull for your input. Without you guys it would not be that far as it is now.

Now some info to current GB on Massdrop:
- We are trying right now to get quotes on 6.25u Spacebar and 4.5u Spacebar. Keep in mind its not up to me to decide, we decide it in democratic way.
- I cant give you the Data about the sold kits, but Base kit is leading in sales.

Despite you named some points for the next possible round, i got some other points:
- Many of Planck users wish all row3 kit with blanks. I consider to make only planck round. For this i need to work out some kits.
- Some people wish separated alphas from modifiers.

You can call this Carbon v1.0. Like i always say: i do not promise next round as i dont have the data/info to decide if Carbon is worth next round. Anyway if it comes so far i will develop Carbon further. The most important thing is, i need to hold it in my hands. I need to see the colors the custom legends with my own eys. It is even possible that i will change colors for the next round. I also need to buy the color chain from SP.

ps. wlhlm i have read your comment on reddit with UK Dvorak. I just forgot to add it. I always read every comment on reddit and here. Please dont take it as i have ignored it. Thats not true i always care for people who provide some meaningfull input.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 12 August 2015, 05:01:20
Thank you for the explanation.

I just put the list together for readability, instead of having the points scattered across Massdrop comments. Those aren't necessarily my points, but I find them worthy to discuss (that doesn't mean they absolutely have be included). Personally, I made sure all the keys for all the layouts I could ever want, are included in the first run.

Truth is, there will always be requests once a keycap group buy starts. People really only start to think once they have to put money on the line.

I'm sure you've read my comment for the Dvorak key. You forgetting about it was the very reason, why I've made the list in first place, it's easy to lose track with so many suggestions from many different places.

I feel like, the popularity will only rise with IRL pictures, but we'll see. :cool:

Another point that came to mind:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 August 2015, 07:52:07
Thank you for the explanation.

I just put the list together for readability, instead of having the points scattered across Massdrop comments. Those aren't necessarily my points, but I find them worthy to discuss (that doesn't mean they absolutely have be included). Personally, I made sure all the keys for all the layouts I could ever want, are included in the first run.

Truth is, there will always be requests once a keycap group buy starts. People really only start to think once they have to put money on the line.

I'm sure you've read my comment for the Dvorak key. You forgetting about it was the very reason, why I've made the list in first place, it's easy to lose track with so many suggestions from many different places.

I feel like, the popularity will only rise with IRL pictures, but we'll see. :cool:

Another point that came to mind:
  • DT forum key

About DT forum key i have to ask them if they wish Carbon featuring Deskthority key.

Anyway any work on Carbon will continue first after i get the keys in my hand. Also i would like to read opinions here from owners after they get their kits. Especially critics with pictures.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 August 2015, 17:53:16
Ok guys we got nice overview of sold kits (see link below "top left corner")
http://www.massdrop.community/
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 12 August 2015, 18:17:28
Ok guys we got nice overview of sold kits (see link below "top left corner")
http://www.massdrop.community/
Interesting numbers!

That poor ISO kit :( It would be interesting to compare with Sci-fi, to see which way is more effective (multiple vs a single, big ISO kit). :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 August 2015, 18:22:47
Ok guys we got nice overview of sold kits (see link below "top left corner")
http://www.massdrop.community/
Interesting numbers!

That poor ISO kit :( It would be interesting to compare with Sci-fi, to see which way is more effective (multiple vs a single, big ISO kit). :rolleyes:
Yap that's sad. I assume many europeans who are into custom keysets switched (like me) from iso to us ansi.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 12 August 2015, 18:29:39
Ok guys we got nice overview of sold kits (see link below "top left corner")
http://www.massdrop.community/
Interesting numbers!

That poor ISO kit :( It would be interesting to compare with Sci-fi, to see which way is more effective (multiple vs a single, big ISO kit). :rolleyes:
Yap that's sad. I assume many europeans who are into custom keysets switched (like me) from iso to us ansi.
Yep, same for me.

Also Massdrop being a PITA for Europeans shipping-wise is a big factor.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:35:27
Also Massdrop being a PITA for Europeans shipping-wise is a big factor.

Geez you poor beggars.

I got a quote for ONLY $15.99USD shipping and I'm over the Moon with that costing  ;D .  But the keysets shall cost a pretty penny here but well worth the purchase  :thumb: .

Although we need more options to BUY extra 6.25 space bar keys - PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN before this Group Buy ends on MassDrop.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: skuko on Thu, 13 August 2015, 06:33:15
i'd jump on it, but i prefer DSA :-\
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Zustiur on Thu, 13 August 2015, 08:48:18
Order placed. The price looked so good before currency conversion. Ouch.
Good thing I haven't been spending much of my computer budget lately!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:52:16
Also Massdrop being a PITA for Europeans shipping-wise is a big factor.

Geez you poor beggars.

I got a quote for ONLY $15.99USD shipping and I'm over the Moon with that costing  ;D .  But the keysets shall cost a pretty penny here but well worth the purchase  :thumb: .

Although we need more options to BUY extra 6.25 space bar keys - PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN before this Group Buy ends on MassDrop.
IŽll talk to MD officials. I think this should be no problem :) But keep in mind each color for spacebar has it MOQ requirements. I think its 25 units. So in order to be produced it must sell 25 times. Each specific color i think.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:56:57
But keep in mind each color for spacebar has it MOQ requirements. I think its 25 units. So in order to be produced it must sell 25 times. Each specific color i think.

You mean 25 people have to be on buying them or can one person buy 25 space bars?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ika on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:14:55
But keep in mind each color for spacebar has it MOQ requirements. I think its 25 units. So in order to be produced it must sell 25 times. Each specific color i think.

You mean 25 people have to be on buying them or can one person buy 25 space bars?

Doesn't matter, as long as there are orders for 25 space bars and people pay for them, they'll produce and sell them.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 14 August 2015, 05:01:59
Yeeha!

Just melted my credit card ordering this baby.

I simply had to have so many of the extra kits.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 14 August 2015, 05:49:49
Yeeha!

Just melted my credit card ordering this baby.

I simply had to have so many of the extra kits.

Good man, it's always worth sacrificing yourself for something greater. 

Just means a little more time spent down at the 'massage parlor' paying off the debt on that card, that's all  ;D .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Cods on Mon, 17 August 2015, 08:08:16
aaaaand more SA purchased. Sweet.
The exchange rate is so hosed...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:59:36
We got an Update (http://www.massdrop.community/). I smell Carbon can reach 500 base kits ;D
Still quite sad about ISO kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 15:26:28
Ordered.

Base kit + novelties + forum kit + warning signs
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: trees on Mon, 17 August 2015, 16:47:01
We got an Update (http://www.massdrop.community/). I smell Carbon can reach 500 base kits ;D
Still quite sad about ISO kit.

Interesting the number pad has reached the 'next drop point'. Where will the new price be reflected?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 18 August 2015, 05:30:48
aaaaand more SA purchased. Sweet.
The exchange rate is so hosed...

Yep, don't you love it when the bill increases day by day, even before the deadline arrives  ;D .

That's what makes this Country so great, pay little today but pay way MORE tomorrow........ (very Greek-Like).
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 19 August 2015, 10:16:08
We got an Update (http://www.massdrop.community/). I smell Carbon can reach 500 base kits ;D
Still quite sad about ISO kit.

Interesting the number pad has reached the 'next drop point'. Where will the new price be reflected?
The new Values are displayed directly on description page also while check out.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 19 August 2015, 13:08:09
Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
[attachimg=1]
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Wed, 19 August 2015, 16:29:38
Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Baller.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: UTEster750 on Wed, 19 August 2015, 18:40:00
Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Baller.


The guy deserves it, really good mock ups.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Wed, 19 August 2015, 19:49:22
Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Baller.


The guy deserves it, really good mock ups.  :thumb:

For sure.  Way better than I could do.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 20 August 2015, 00:30:27
Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Amazeballs! Those are stunning. Really lovely work.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 20 August 2015, 16:04:08
Got an update from Thinman. Enjoy  ;D
[attachimg=1]
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: kernel on Sat, 22 August 2015, 06:51:48
Wish this was also DSA, that would be sooo amazing. Props to T0mb for giving the keyset to Thinman (also props to him for the mock-up)!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 23 August 2015, 05:40:29
Wish this was also DSA, that would be sooo amazing. Props to T0mb for giving the keyset to Thinman (also props to him for the mock-up)!

Unfortunately the numbers are in for SA Profiles only, the DSA can only dream about getting nearly 2000+ customers to sign up for them.

Everyone likes the SA profile here hence get use to this for some time to come.....  8) .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 23 August 2015, 05:53:15
1 day left.
I assume Carbon will go way over 2000 sold kits. You know there are always people who wait until last hours.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 23 August 2015, 06:43:59
1 day left.
I assume Carbon will go way over 2000 sold kits. You know there are always people who wait until last hours.

It's the youngsters, trying to edge out all their parents credit cards and savings.......he he  :D .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 23 August 2015, 07:13:25
1 day left.
I assume Carbon will go way over 2000 sold kits. You know there are always people who wait until last hours.

It's the youngsters, trying to edge out all their parents credit cards and savings.......he he  :D .
Its just the decision making endless loop  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: kernel on Sun, 23 August 2015, 13:21:54
Everyone likes the SA profile here hence get use to this for some time to come.....  8) .

I respect that, however i find SA keys too high for me.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 24 August 2015, 03:08:37
So... more than 2200 kits sold and still some time to go. Holy smokes, this has got to be the most successful GB I've participated in! I assume since the lowest price was unlicked we reached over 500 base sets?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 24 August 2015, 03:35:33
So... more than 2200 kits sold and still some time to go. Holy smokes, this has got to be the most successful GB I've participated in! I assume since the lowest price was unlicked we reached over 500 base sets?

Hallelujah Brother, this Group Buy looks to keep on going  ;D . 

As soon as more and more sign on, the deadline gets pushed back further and further so this could potentially be the longest MassDrop Group Buy ever.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 24 August 2015, 03:53:51
1 day left.
I assume Carbon will go way over 2000 sold kits. You know there are always people who wait until last hours.
Definitely. Here's how it looked for Granite:
(https://d3jqoivu6qpygv.cloudfront.net/img_comment/JDC9MN_20150419_171032_Z9LGZ.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 06:30:41
Really excited! Just joined and cost me a fortune in Aussie dollars but so gonna be worth it!  ;D :p
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 24 August 2015, 06:54:53
I already got a carbon fiber plate for my SA Carbon build: (split Backspace, split right Shift, winkeyless bottom row, Super/Alt swapped)
[attachimg=1]

Some toying around: (Base kit, Mod Kit, Flex kit, Novelties kit, 7u beige spacebar)
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 24 August 2015, 10:31:42
I already got a carbon fiber plate for my SA Carbon build: (split Backspace, split right Shift, winkeyless bottom row, Super/Alt swapped)
(Attachment Link)

Some toying around: (Base kit, Mod Kit, Flex kit, Novelties kit, 7u beige spacebar)
(Attachment Link)

Damn wlhlm you missing only carbon fiber case. Anyway you owe us Picture if you finish this one  :p
Wait, is this the Smart 68 pcb?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 24 August 2015, 17:51:21
I already got a carbon fiber plate for my SA Carbon build: (split Backspace, split right Shift, winkeyless bottom row, Super/Alt swapped)
(Attachment Link)

Some toying around: (Base kit, Mod Kit, Flex kit, Novelties kit, 7u beige spacebar)
(Attachment Link)

Damn wlhlm you missing only carbon fiber case. Anyway you owe us Picture if you finish this one  :p
Wait, is this the Smart 68 pcb?
Nope, it was a custom order (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65189.msg1819469#msg1819469).
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:25:25
I already got a carbon fiber plate for my SA Carbon build: (split Backspace, split right Shift, winkeyless bottom row, Super/Alt swapped)
(Attachment Link)

That is so sexy looking I only wish they would do one for a modest TKL layout.  Imagine having a TKL case built up from Carbon Fiber from scratch........  :o
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 25 August 2015, 03:42:23
So, the drop has completed!

I must be honest that I'm disappointed with the final price, considering the numbers ordered. SP really should offer them at a lower price at the higher counts.

BUT, I'm very happy it's even going to be made at all. This is going on two of my keyboards once I have them finished, although it's going to take SP a LONG time to fulfill the orders. First they have to complete Retro SA, which is delayed due to running out of plastic. Then there's Jukebox that still needs to be made, then this one (although I may have missed a set somewhere in between), so it's not going to be sent out for a while.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 25 August 2015, 04:34:50
I jumped in with 15 minutes to go. It wasn't cheap considering the funky layout I was trying to accommodate, but there you go. I think I bought enough to fill 4 boards.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 25 August 2015, 05:30:32
I jumped in with 15 minutes to go. It wasn't cheap considering the funky layout I was trying to accommodate, but there you go. I think I bought enough to fill 4 boards.

Good man same here, I was just surprised why there were so many negative ninnies crying fowl here.  I thought it went well, got the numbers which is always guaranteed when it comes to key-caps on MD yet a lot of angst and sniping at MassDrop, why?

I think a lot of the sniping came from non-buyers who thought it was their job to stop this Group Buy by as much as possible but again you have to ask them, why such nasty behaviour in the first place.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 25 August 2015, 07:56:51
I jumped in with 15 minutes to go. It wasn't cheap considering the funky layout I was trying to accommodate, but there you go. I think I bought enough to fill 4 boards.

Good man same here, I was just surprised why there were so many negative ninnies crying fowl here.  I thought it went well, got the numbers which is always guaranteed when it comes to key-caps on MD yet a lot of angst and sniping at MassDrop, why?

I think a lot of the sniping came from non-buyers who thought it was their job to stop this Group Buy by as much as possible but again you have to ask them, why such nasty behaviour in the first place.

Yep, that was exactly what I thought. One guy even said he would pass and go and get this elsewhere for cheaper. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: nickheller on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:05:40
I did not realize this was ending last night and did not place an order  :'(
Oh well, I have a few other SA sets coming, and I can try to pick this up on the classifieds once it ships.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ddamko on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:21:49
Gnomobot https://www.massdrop.com/profile/Gnomobot (https://www.massdrop.com/profile/Gnomobot) on the MD comments posted these beautiful renderings. I figured it would be good to post them here before they get drowned the comments on MD.

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FGi32WRQhOn9IU01u9nHQ_Key1.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FS32a8bOS8Ojz9T0R8mMU_Key2.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FMz2qpBxTSwuswMZUYXE2_Key3.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:53:13
Gnomobot https://www.massdrop.com/profile/Gnomobot (https://www.massdrop.com/profile/Gnomobot) on the MD comments posted these beautiful renderings. I figured it would be good to post them here before they get drowned the comments on MD.

Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FGi32WRQhOn9IU01u9nHQ_Key1.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)

Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FS32a8bOS8Ojz9T0R8mMU_Key2.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)

Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FMz2qpBxTSwuswMZUYXE2_Key3.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)


These are very good. I appreciate them :)

Anyway i wish you all happy waiting (me including)  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: spacemonkey001 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 13:04:04
So, the drop has completed!

I must be honest that I'm disappointed with the final price, considering the numbers ordered. SP really should offer them at a lower price at the higher counts.

BUT, I'm very happy it's even going to be made at all. This is going on two of my keyboards once I have them finished, although it's going to take SP a LONG time to fulfill the orders. First they have to complete Retro SA, which is delayed due to running out of plastic. Then there's Jukebox that still needs to be made, then this one (although I may have missed a set somewhere in between), so it's not going to be sent out for a while.

You're forgetting Modern Selectric. I'm in that one and Melissa emailed last week that it should ship by Sept 3, which is a delay of about 3 weeks due to so many SA orders. SA Retro is being delayed due to running out of brown plastic. So I think it'll be awhile before we get these caps. But it'll be so worth the wait.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Sharku on Thu, 27 August 2015, 20:03:40
Hi! i'm Gnomobot.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it!  :thumb:

(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)

ENJOY!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: simonyunhe on Thu, 27 August 2015, 20:07:54

Hi! i'm Gnomobot.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it!  :thumb:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)


ENJOY!
This looks amazing and realistic.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ideus on Fri, 28 August 2015, 07:10:46
Hi! i'm Gnomobot.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it!  :thumb:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)


ENJOY!

Awesome renders. Thank you for sharing, and for your contributions to the forum quality.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 28 August 2015, 10:21:20
Hi! i'm Gnomobot.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it!  :thumb:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)


ENJOY!

Gosh that planck!

No seriously where have you been all the previous GB? I think community needs an application which could render every possible layout. You could sell it or give it for free but with donation options.
Great job!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 03 September 2015, 03:26:21
Just got an email from them (MassDrop) letting us all know that SP can't produce these on their original timeline.  It's been pushed back a good month so these keys will have to wait a while before we see them.

Amazing how SP likes to deal with MassDrop yet when a huge order comes in 2000+ they're left holding the bag wondering what went wrong........  :-\

If you want to deal with MD you got to start ramping up your facilities to accommodate all the large orders coming in, otherwise sooner or later people will go elsewhere to get their key-caps.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 03 September 2015, 08:18:21
Yeah, they had no idea these would be so popular. Uh huh, hmmm. smh

Can't say this comes as a surprise. I think some people predicted a delay as soon as the drop finished.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 September 2015, 10:19:15
Just got an email from them (MassDrop) letting us all know that SP can't produce these on their original timeline.  It's been pushed back a good month so these keys will have to wait a while before we see them.

Amazing how SP likes to deal with MassDrop yet when a huge order comes in 2000+ they're left holding the bag wondering what went wrong........  :-\

If you want to deal with MD you got to start ramping up your facilities to accommodate all the large orders coming in, otherwise sooner or later people will go elsewhere to get their key-caps.

No surprise for me. Totaly expected. I would be surprised if they could make them on scheduled time. But you know its the trick of mine: expect the worst and be surprized but get never disapointed :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: FuriousGeorge on Thu, 03 September 2015, 15:29:36
Can't say this comes as a surprise. I think some people predicted a delay as soon as the drop finished.

It's Massdrop. I feel safe predicting a delay before a drop starts.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T_ReV on Fri, 04 September 2015, 00:45:50
If you want to deal with MD you got to start ramping up your facilities to accommodate all the large orders coming in, otherwise sooner or later people will go elsewhere to get their key-caps.

Where else can people go? Seems like SP is the only company doing these kind of custom small run keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Fri, 04 September 2015, 16:21:55
If you want to deal with MD you got to start ramping up your facilities to accommodate all the large orders coming in, otherwise sooner or later people will go elsewhere to get their key-caps.

Where else can people go? Seems like SP is the only company doing these kind of custom small run keycaps.

JT Keycaps is starting to get a foothold.  If they can come close to GMK quality and consistently produce custom legends with a high degree of accuracy, I have absolutely no doubt they will draw some business away from SP.  Which might actually be a good thing for everybody...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 04 September 2015, 20:39:55
JT Keycaps is starting to get a foothold.  If they can come close to GMK quality and consistently produce custom legends with a high degree of accuracy, I have absolutely no doubt they will draw some business away from SP.  Which might actually be a good thing for everybody...

Thanks for letting us know because we get hammered into ONLY thinking it's just SP or GMK to choose from these days but it looks like another contender is stepping up to the mark  :thumb: .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 07 September 2015, 06:05:04
And don't forget Gateron. They're already doing some top quality dyesub and blank PBT sets and they seem to be very willing to work with the community. UKKeycaps has also started some hype with posting pics of some Devlin "Q" series caps that could become another supplier if things work out there.

HOWEVER, SP is still the only company offering SA profile or similar caps (tall, spherical tops) to the community at reasonable MOQ levels, although if UKKeycaps can get Devlin to make their "K" series available for GB's they'd be a good alternative (although they're all "Row 3" and I'm not sure they have all they keycap sizes for a normal board).

SP need to get those Row 4 Shift moulds made, though... the irritation level is slowly increasing the more fully sculptured sets I buy without Row 4 Shifts. Just this one GB is probably bringing in enough profit for them to easily cover the cost of making them.

I really hope they implement the "commit at this price point" feature in the "new" PMK. If they don't I won't be surprised, but it will confirm to me that they don't know what's best for their own business and that they're not really listening to the community.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 07 September 2015, 07:07:58

I really hope they implement the "commit at this price point" feature in the "new" PMK. If they don't I won't be surprised, but it will confirm to me that they don't know what's best for their own business and that they're not really listening to the community.
Totally agree with you, their site is really out of date and the PMK store is even worse. It doesn't show how many set available and some of the description are very confused. Also separate account is required for GB and PMK store.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:35:22
Can't say this comes as a surprise. I think some people predicted a delay as soon as the drop finished.

It's Massdrop. I feel safe predicting a delay before a drop starts.

In this case the delay is totally SP's end. SP always has delays, doesn't matter if you go through the PMK store or MD.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:38:08
And don't forget Gateron. They're already doing some top quality dyesub and blank PBT sets and they seem to be very willing to work with the community. UKKeycaps has also started some hype with posting pics of some Devlin "Q" series caps that could become another supplier if things work out there.

HOWEVER, SP is still the only company offering SA profile or similar caps (tall, spherical tops) to the community at reasonable MOQ levels, although if UKKeycaps can get Devlin to make their "K" series available for GB's they'd be a good alternative (although they're all "Row 3" and I'm not sure they have all they keycap sizes for a normal board).

SP need to get those Row 4 Shift moulds made, though... the irritation level is slowly increasing the more fully sculptured sets I buy without Row 4 Shifts. Just this one GB is probably bringing in enough profit for them to easily cover the cost of making them.

I really hope they implement the "commit at this price point" feature in the "new" PMK. If they don't I won't be surprised, but it will confirm to me that they don't know what's best for their own business and that they're not really listening to the community.

I agree. My irritation is slowly rising as well. I love SA caps, and really they are what keep me going back to SP sets, but the fact that they wont invest in their own business is a little ridiculous. Having the profiles needed for proper sets should not be the community's responsibility to fund, it should be the manufacturers. Like you, the new PMK store will really help me make judgements on how much they actually do care about the "enthusiast" community. If things don't change I am all for helping find a new place willing to work with the community more that can make sets happen in the same amount of time or less.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Phirr on Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:42:49
They're apparently working on row 4 2.25 & 2.75 molds already, someone emailed Melissa about it
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 07 September 2015, 11:48:07
They're apparently working on row 4 2.25 & 2.75 molds already, someone emailed Melissa about it

Yeah, if you are talking about what I'm thinking I was in that group that emailed about it  :thumb:

Still, its crappy that we have to figure out a way to fund it. Just doesn't feel like we should be responsible for that. A new font, I can understand that, but not keys to complete a standard profile.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 07 September 2015, 14:25:57
They're apparently working on row 4 2.25 & 2.75 molds already, someone emailed Melissa about it

Yeah, if you are talking about what I'm thinking I was in that group that emailed about it  :thumb:

Still, its crappy that we have to figure out a way to fund it. Just doesn't feel like we should be responsible for that. A new font, I can understand that, but not keys to complete a standard profile.

Haha i am not the only one who thinks to fund row4 shifts for Signature Plastics. Thought of some "TINEFB" key project and some fun stuff to fund it.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Phirr on Mon, 07 September 2015, 14:46:10
With regard to the row 4 (shift key) 2.25u and 2.75u molds, here is Melissa Petersen's e-mail response to my inquiry about possible ways to partner-up with them on the cost of the molds:

John-
We are building these internally, it is just taking time. I don't have a
time frame for completion, but we are working on them.

^^ Quote from zslane on deskthority
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 07 September 2015, 15:32:27
With regard to the row 4 (shift key) 2.25u and 2.75u molds, here is Melissa Petersen's e-mail response to my inquiry about possible ways to partner-up with them on the cost of the molds:

John-
We are building these internally, it is just taking time. I don't have a
time frame for completion, but we are working on them.

^^ Quote from zslane on deskthority

Have not heard this from her, but very good news to hear indeed. Thanks for the quote!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 07 September 2015, 15:38:34
With regard to the row 4 (shift key) 2.25u and 2.75u molds, here is Melissa Petersen's e-mail response to my inquiry about possible ways to partner-up with them on the cost of the molds:

John-
We are building these internally, it is just taking time. I don't have a
time frame for completion, but we are working on them.

^^ Quote from zslane on deskthority

Great news. But i am quite sad, i guess row 4 shift will hit after Carbon production.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 07 September 2015, 15:43:50
Yeah, but knowing SP i definitely wouldn't hold my breath for it.

You'll have it next run, if you so desire, i'm sure!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 08 September 2015, 14:35:05
Hmm... something was bothering me about this, reading the message through again, the "I don't have a time frame for completion" part felt kind of familiar somehow... And this is why:

What's the status on the shift key group buy? Will this still be a thing, or is there no more planning of it?

Patience.  As was explained, SP has to develop the tooling first.

From an email from Bob at SP 2 days ago: "We are tooling up the 1.25, 2.25 and 2.75 in SA Row 4. However tooling
won't be production ready for a couple months."

So I would only expect them early next year.

From here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62554.msg1542899#msg1542899

I can't believe I didn't remember that...

Anyhow, it seems they're just stalling for time and this is really starting to piss me off. Making two keycap molds doesn't take 9 months! That message was in the PuLSE SA thread in November last year.

I think it's time for all fully sculptured SA GB designers to boycott SP until they get these made. There needs to be some kind of pressure put on them or this will continue indefinitely...

I wish I'd realised this before this set ran to completion, as this is such a successful GB that it could have been just what's needed to push them into making them. Bollocks!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 11 September 2015, 10:28:52
Hey Wlhlm!

Thanks for advice. I am very pleased. Perfect cuts. Everything went just perfect! Cant wait for my Carbon Planck.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 11 September 2015, 20:10:48
Hey Wlhlm!

Thanks for advice. I am very pleased. Perfect cuts. Everything went just perfect! Cant wait for my Carbon Planck.

(Attachment Link)

Brilliant example of some choice laser cutting  :thumb: .
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:37:38
Hey T0mb3ry, did you guys end up offering any extra space bars in your group buy?  Just curious.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:40:04
Hey T0mb3ry, did you guys end up offering any extra space bars in your group buy?  Just curious.

I believe so
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:51:12
Hey T0mb3ry, did you guys end up offering any extra space bars in your group buy?  Just curious.
Yes we did. Dont know if you got updated SA listing, but here you are this might help you  :)
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 September 2015, 16:24:13
Hey T0mb3ry, did you guys end up offering any extra space bars in your group buy?  Just curious.
Yes we did. Dont know if you got updated SA listing, but here you are this might help you  :)
(Attachment Link)

A 9 unit spacebar.   :))

Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ideus on Tue, 15 September 2015, 18:44:52
Hi! i'm Gnomobot.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it!  :thumb:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)


ENJOY!

Awesome renders, and welcome to GH.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Zustiur on Thu, 01 October 2015, 04:14:09
Hmm. I distinctly remember placing an order. I even posted about it in this thread. Yet I have no email from SP, MD or paypal confirming it. Can someone please tell me who they got email confirmation from so that I can double check my order went through?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Data on Thu, 01 October 2015, 08:56:18
Did you log into Massdrop and check?   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 01 October 2015, 11:35:48
Hmm. I distinctly remember placing an order. I even posted about it in this thread. Yet I have no email from SP, MD or paypal confirming it. Can someone please tell me who they got email confirmation from so that I can double check my order went through?

You have to check your spam mails. Anyway if you paricipated on the drop you got today an info email about Carbon drop.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Zustiur on Thu, 01 October 2015, 23:57:23
Did you log into Massdrop and check?   :rolleyes:
Yes I did but I couldn't remember if the drop was through MD or through SP. I wanted to be sure.
Apparently I never submitted the order. Oops!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 16 October 2015, 03:16:19
I see there are already more than 500 requests to run the set again... and production is only happening now for the first run. Popular design! :D Very glad I got in on the first run.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Hexterdude on Sun, 18 October 2015, 21:51:32
Is it still possible to order a set of these?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 19 October 2015, 07:39:41
Is it still possible to order a set of these?

No, but you can add your request to Massdrop to run the set again: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/carbon

You be able to find someone willing to sell you their set, though.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:18:15
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa  ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: derezzed on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:32:47
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa  ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)

The caption on that top image breaks my heart.  If there's a round 2, can a row 4 shift pack be a part of it?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:50:00
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa  ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)

The caption on that top image breaks my heart.  If there's a round 2, can a row 4 shift pack be a part of it?

If round 2 happens row 4 shifts are going to be the default. For this round, row 4 shifts will be purchasable on PMK Store or MassDrop.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: FuriousGeorge on Tue, 10 November 2015, 12:13:13
Those look great. Now I'm even more disappointed that I had to cancel my order at the last minute do to finances. Hoping this will hit pmk like jukebox.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 November 2015, 12:20:42
I did not realize this was ending last night and did not place an order  :'(
Oh well, I have a few other SA sets coming, and I can try to pick this up on the classifieds once it ships.


A few? There are tons of SA sets coming.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Zorberema on Tue, 10 November 2015, 13:02:35
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa  ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)

The caption on that top image breaks my heart.  If there's a round 2, can a row 4 shift pack be a part of it?

If round 2 happens row 4 shifts are going to be the default. For this round, row 4 shifts will be purchasable on PMK Store or MassDrop.

Do you know the cost of them yet? Just made a big order from PMK, guess that'll justify me spending more ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 10 November 2015, 13:09:33
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa  ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)

The caption on that top image breaks my heart.  If there's a round 2, can a row 4 shift pack be a part of it?

If round 2 happens row 4 shifts are going to be the default. For this round, row 4 shifts will be purchasable on PMK Store or MassDrop.

Do you know the cost of them yet? Just made a big order from PMK, guess that'll justify me spending more ;)

Most probably they will sell row 4 shift in packs (all shift variations). I guess it will cost 20-30 bucks maybe even more.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: gadzkun on Fri, 20 November 2015, 00:12:44
ahhh i missed this GB :(
will this keyset available on PMK like jukebox? :p
i really like this set :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 20 November 2015, 10:44:29
ahhh i missed this GB :(
will this keyset available on PMK like jukebox? :p
i really like this set :thumb:

I didn't signed the new PMK rules, so i guess not. But it will be possible to buy some leftovers at MD Bazzaar.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: gadzkun on Fri, 20 November 2015, 22:21:57
ahhh i missed this GB :(
will this keyset available on PMK like jukebox? :p
i really like this set :thumb:

I didn't signed the new PMK rules, so i guess not. But it will be possible to buy some leftovers at MD Bazzaar.

owh at MD bazzaar, hope i wont miss it.
but still wish will be available on PMK.
and,, are the caps already finished? or still in production?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 20 November 2015, 23:38:44
Caps are still in production, are expected to ship to Massdrop on the 30th (as of the update on the 17th of this month)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 21 November 2015, 02:23:43
ahhh i missed this GB :(
will this keyset available on PMK like jukebox? :p
i really like this set :thumb:

I didn't signed the new PMK rules, so i guess not. But it will be possible to buy some leftovers at MD Bazzaar.

owh at MD bazzaar, hope i wont miss it.
but still wish will be available on PMK.
and,, are the caps already finished? or still in production?

I think caps are already finished. Right now they do the front printing on led windowed keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: gadzkun on Sat, 21 November 2015, 02:32:41
Caps are still in production, are expected to ship to Massdrop on the 30th (as of the update on the 17th of this month)

I think caps are already finished. Right now they do the front printing on led windowed keys.

so its nearly finished, glad to hear, now i just put in reminder next month to check everday on MD and PMK :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: dthai17 on Sat, 21 November 2015, 22:58:28
Freaking gorgeous! I hope there's a second round or I score off of the leftovers on massdrop.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 14 December 2015, 17:02:19
MD has started with shipping Carbon. Please if you receive your Carbon post some pictures and give me some feedback and critics. But stay classy or you end up in gulag! :))
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/64844510.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: zslane on Tue, 15 December 2015, 12:28:34
I guess a delay of only two months is ahead of the average...consider yourselves fortunate.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 15 December 2015, 15:47:56
I guess a delay of only two months is ahead of the average...consider yourselves fortunate.
I think it can happen even faster if you look at Jukebox. But yes compared to other sets its quite minor delay...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: diqkiq on Tue, 15 December 2015, 23:46:51
I got my notification from MD that mine is shipping!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 16 December 2015, 00:22:05
I got my notification from MD that mine is shipping!

Let me be the first to say.....Me too!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: harlw on Wed, 16 December 2015, 00:23:55
There is an actual set up on reddit, on a board.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: prava on Wed, 16 December 2015, 06:20:14
There is an actual set up on reddit, on a board.



Thanks for including the link so we can follow the topic on reddit!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: harlw on Wed, 16 December 2015, 06:41:01
There is an actual set up on reddit, on a board.



Thanks for including the link so we can follow the topic on reddit!
Blasphemy!

 http://www.reddit.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards/comments/3x0cyn/_/  (http://www.reddit.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards/comments/3x0cyn/_/)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: fabian101 on Wed, 16 December 2015, 17:09:04
Hey T0mb3ry, do you have an idea when SP will be producing the R4 shifts?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 16 December 2015, 17:26:03
Hey T0mb3ry, do you have an idea when SP will be producing the R4 shifts?
Actually not but i will ask Melissa as soon as R4 shifts will appear at PMK store.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: cwils0n on Thu, 17 December 2015, 15:03:58
I was asked to give some initial thoughts on Carbon SA, but first some pics:

(http://i.imgur.com/jam0a0A.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/SSJjcNe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XqYy7Ss.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/KQT5NMh.jpg)

The colors are perfect together. I've always been a fan of orange and black/dark grey/charcoal, but what I ended up liking the most were the alpha keys. The off white/beige is wonderful and the legends are crisp and large.

The colors were pretty accurate when matched with the renders on the MD page. The orange is not as bright as the pictures suggested, but that is a major plus IMO.

Aesthetically, SA profile is my absolute favorite. It just looks so damn sexy on any board. For me, SA is the only thing that should be put on an Ergodox...it just completes the look.

Quite a few keys had a marks on them (small scratches, discoloration, etc), but nothing bad enough for me to really care. Luckily, none of the blemishes were on top of keys.

A personal thought about the profile: If I had to choose a profile to live with for the rest of my life it would be Cherry. Having said that, typing on SA is just fine and I have no real problem with it.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 17 December 2015, 15:25:45
I was asked to give some initial thoughts on Carbon SA, but first some pics:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jam0a0A.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/SSJjcNe.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XqYy7Ss.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/KQT5NMh.jpg)


The colors are perfect together. I've always been a fan of orange and black/dark grey/charcoal, but what I ended up liking the most were the alpha keys. The off white/beige is wonderful and the legends are crisp and large.

The colors were pretty accurate when matched with the renders on the MD page. The orange is not as bright as the pictures suggested, but that is a major plus IMO.

Aesthetically, SA profile is my absolute favorite. It just looks so damn sexy on any board. For me, SA is the only thing that should be put on an Ergodox...it just completes the look.

Quite a few keys had a marks on them (small scratches, discoloration, etc), but nothing bad enough for me to really care. Luckily, none of the blemishes were on top of keys.

A personal thought about the profile: If I had to choose a profile to live with for the rest of my life it would be Cherry. Having said that, typing on SA is just fine and I have no real problem with it.

Thank you very much  for your feedback.

I am glad the colors match the renders as this was my biggest concern since i couldn't get any color chips from SP at that time. I ordered some chips for Yuri already.

In regards of Alpha Colors beige: despite the orange crazines nowadays i think personally Carbon looks with beige alphas the best. Beige calms the whole orange down makes it interessting, classy and elegant. Just my POV. Nothing against orange :)

Hmmm. Scratches... Hope this will be very rare issue. TA like problems could be devastating.

I still have to taste cherry profile. I am awaiting DATA+. But right now SA is my most prefered profile so far.

And damn that ergodox. Someday i'll get one too.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: VentureG on Fri, 18 December 2015, 17:45:22
A carbon SA keycap typing test with 65g Zealios!


Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 18 December 2015, 18:36:15
A carbon SA keycap typing test with 65g Zealios!

Thank you for the reply and your video.  :thumb: Though my favorite part is the intro. Dont know why, but i have to stare at the C key every time i see it...
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: whmeltonjr on Fri, 18 December 2015, 18:43:51
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 18 December 2015, 18:54:08
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.

Thanks!

If you are about Jukebox then afaik Livingspeedbump will make another round. Check his IC thread for Round 2: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71508.350
In your case i would wait until Jukebox round 2 it will be greater then before thats for sure :)

Like always dont look just at renderers you have to imagine how its going to look in RL. And from my experience RL keysets looks always better than their renders and that by far.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: whmeltonjr on Fri, 18 December 2015, 18:59:54
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.

Thanks!

If you are about Jukebox then afaik Livingspeedbump will make another round. Check his IC thread for Round 2: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71508.350
In your case i would wait until Jukebox round 2 it will be greater then before thats for sure :)

Like always dont look just at renderers you have to imagine how its going to look in RL. And from my experience RL keysets looks always better than their renders and that by far.

I think you may have misunderstood my question. When Jukebox shipped, there were extra sets that went up on Massdrop and Signature plastics. Will the same thing happen with Carbon?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 18 December 2015, 19:13:04
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.

Thanks!

If you are about Jukebox then afaik Livingspeedbump will make another round. Check his IC thread for Round 2: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71508.350
In your case i would wait until Jukebox round 2 it will be greater then before thats for sure :)

Like always dont look just at renderers you have to imagine how its going to look in RL. And from my experience RL keysets looks always better than their renders and that by far.

I think you may have misunderstood my question. When Jukebox shipped, there were extra sets that went up on Massdrop and Signature plastics. Will the same thing happen with Carbon?

Hah ups sorry i am quite out of shape. Its late in germany. Yes i am sure MD will offer Carbon leftothers at Bazaar. Also try to check PMK frequently they could sell also some Carbon leftothers. You have to know those do not last that long. Jukebox leftothers were sold out in minutes for example.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 18 December 2015, 19:45:03
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.

sent a message to pmk asking about this last week.

Answer: "No, we are not planning on selling Carbon sets on our site..."

sad day for all  :(
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: whmeltonjr on Fri, 18 December 2015, 19:46:50
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.

sent a message to pmk asking about this last week.

Answer: "No, we are not planning on selling Carbon sets on our site..."

sad day for all  :(

Bummer. Hopefully Massdrop will have some leftovers then.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: derezzed on Tue, 22 December 2015, 23:10:49
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Sorry for the potato.

This is my first experience with SA keycaps.  Having seen multiple photos of SA keycaps, I sometimes noticed what appeared to be keys that were not perfectly aligned.  I thought it may have been due to camera perspective but some images looked like the deviation was to great to be accounted for by camera perspective and that there was a manufacturing issue with SA; maybe a flaw in the molds or tooling.  So, as the delivery date approached, I began to get nervous.  I dropped a lot of cash on this set, so that I could use it when I build my custom board in the future.  When it arrived, I inspected nearly all the keys and noticed only some minor flaws on the left and right edges of the 1.5 novelty modifiers (the gray carbon rings), as if there was too much flash on the caps when they came out of the mold and someone was a little sloppy when they shaved it off.  It also appeared that there might be a little crack on the edge of one of those modifiers, but upon closer inspection, I determined that it was not a crack.  Also, the shaved edges of the modifiers wouldn't be visible when the caps are on a board, so I'm not worried about it.  Some caps are not perfectly aligned.  I don't know if that is a manufacturing flaw or if it's due to some idiosyncrasy with the plate and switches of my board.  I only really notice the issue when I closely examine my board.  In spite of these minor issues, this set looks great. 

Jukebox was supposed to be my first SA set but, at the eleventh hour, I decided against purchasing it because some images of the color chip for the alphas appeared to be more tan than off-white and I didn't like the idea of tan and turquoise keycaps.  So, when Carbon was introduced, I knew that I wanted to make it my first set of custom keycaps. The color of the Carbon alphas is fantastic.  I could not imagine Carbon being better with a different shade of white on the alphas.  And I know there have been several orange/gray sets in the past few years, but the addition of the off-white alphas really sets Carbon apart.  And the gray color of the modifiers and industrial orange color of the novelties really pulls the theme together.  Also, the options for various layouts meant that I could get the keys necessary to support my custom layout.  Of course, that greatly added to the expense of this set.   Do I think Carbon was worth it?  Unequivocally, yes.  I knew as soon as I saw it that I liked the design and colorway of this set.   And as soon as I started typing on this set, I knew that I liked Sculpted SA.  A lot.  It sounds and feels great, and the profile really contributes to the visual appeal of Carbon.  Prior to this, the best sounding Cherry MX-style caps I used were the POMs on the Choc Mini.  Sculpted SA is my new favorite.  The dimensions of the caps makes them sound and feel different than other profiles of ABS keycaps, such that I now realize that a comparison of plastic and thickness alone is not sufficient when judging two sets of keycaps of different profiles.  The sound and feel of sculpted SA has certainly elevated my curiosity about Topre switches and what the experience of using Topre with SA would sound and feel like. 

The only improvements I can suggest for Carbon are row 4 shift keys (already coming in round 2) and an orange backspace key to allow for an all orange (with the novelties) number row.   I will definitely be buying row 4 shifts, and if an orange backspace key becomes available, I will be buying that too.  Carbon and sculpted SA have spoiled me for other profiles.  As much as I like Toxic and Hyperfuse, I now find them far less appealing because they are not sculpted SA.  I now need to replace the keys on my other daily driver because they are not sculpted SA.  If I have the funds, and if Yuri has Cyrillic-only alphas, I can almost guarantee that Yuri will be my next keyboard-related purchase.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 23 December 2015, 03:22:37
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Sorry for the potato.

This is my first experience with SA keycaps.  Having seen multiple photos of SA keycaps, I sometimes noticed what appeared to be keys that were not perfectly aligned.  I thought it may have been due to camera perspective but some images looked like the deviation was to great to be accounted for by camera perspective and that there was a manufacturing issue with SA; maybe a flaw in the molds or tooling.  So, as the delivery date approached, I began to get nervous.  I dropped a lot of cash on this set, so that I could use it when I build my custom board in the future.  When it arrived, I inspected nearly all the keys and noticed only some minor flaws on the left and right edges of the 1.5 novelty modifiers (the gray carbon rings), as if there was too much flash on the caps when they came out of the mold and someone was a little sloppy when they shaved it off.  It also appeared that there might be a little crack on the edge of one of those modifiers, but upon closer inspection, I determined that it was not a crack.  Also, the shaved edges of the modifiers wouldn't be visible when the caps are on a board, so I'm not worried about it.  Some caps are not perfectly aligned.  I don't know if that is a manufacturing flaw or if it's due to some idiosyncrasy with the plate and switches of my board.  I only really notice the issue when I closely examine my board.  In spite of these minor issues, this set looks great. 

Jukebox was supposed to be my first SA set but, at the eleventh hour, I decided against purchasing it because some images of the color chip for the alphas appeared to be more tan than off-white and I didn't like the idea of tan and turquoise keycaps.  So, when Carbon was introduced, I knew that I wanted to make it my first set of custom keycaps. The color of the Carbon alphas is fantastic.  I could not imagine Carbon being better with a different shade of white on the alphas.  And I know there have been several orange/gray sets in the past few years, but the addition of the off-white alphas really sets Carbon apart.  And the gray color of the modifiers and industrial orange color of the novelties really pulls the theme together.  Also, the options for various layouts meant that I could get the keys necessary to support my custom layout.  Of course, that greatly added to the expense of this set.   Do I think Carbon was worth it?  Unequivocally, yes.  I knew as soon as I saw it that I liked the design and colorway of this set.   And as soon as I started typing on this set, I knew that I liked Sculpted SA.  A lot.  It sounds and feels great, and the profile really contributes to the visual appeal of Carbon.  Prior to this, the best sounding Cherry MX-style caps I used were the POMs on the Choc Mini.  Sculpted SA is my new favorite.  The dimensions of the caps makes them sound and feel different than other profiles of ABS keycaps, such that I now realize that a comparison of plastic and thickness alone is not sufficient when judging two sets of keycaps of different profiles.  The sound and feel of sculpted SA has certainly elevated my curiosity about Topre switches and what the experience of using Topre with SA would sound and feel like. 

The only improvements I can suggest for Carbon are row 4 shift keys (already coming in round 2) and an orange backspace key to allow for an all orange (with the novelties) number row.   I will definitely be buying row 4 shifts, and if an orange backspace key becomes available, I will be buying that too.  Carbon and sculpted SA have spoiled me for other profiles.  As much as I like Toxic and Hyperfuse, I now find them far less appealing because they are not sculpted SA.  I now need to replace the keys on my other daily driver because they are not sculpted SA.  If I have the funds, and if Yuri has Cyrillic-only alphas, I can almost guarantee that Yuri will be my next keyboard-related purchase.

Wow thank you for the reply! :thumb:

I have to note Backspace suggestion. You know in other feedbacks i got similar request with backspace. There was like several requests for graphene (honeycumb) Backspace. I am sure there is a place for an additional kit in the next possible drop :)

Got my Carbon already and typing right now on it. I have to say that the most part i like of it, is (as you said) the off white alphas. They seem like they are made out of bones. So i call myself them Bone white Alphas.

I already typed with SA on Cherry profile. But as many others already said, topre brings the typing on SA Profile experience to another level. I would higly suggest you getting topre board with cherry stems. Typing right now on my Novoatouch with Carbon. Though need to silence it. My dental bands has been delivered currently.

Anyway thank you for the reply. I appreciate it :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 23 December 2015, 09:57:40
Mine is supposedly out for delivery today, really excited to see my set in person!

E: My set just got here, typing on it now on my Novatouch. Absolutely love it! Not sure that the R3 shifts are that big of a deal, but if R4 shifts become available I might grab them as well. Love the set, even though SA profile will take some getting used to.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 23 December 2015, 15:37:11
Mine is supposedly out for delivery today, really excited to see my set in person!

E: My set just got here, typing on it now on my Novatouch. Absolutely love it! Not sure that the R3 shifts are that big of a deal, but if R4 shifts become available I might grab them as well. Love the set, even though SA profile will take some getting used to.

GZ!

Hope your Novatouch is silenced. Did it today for my and i am blown away. It feels like piano with SA Profile.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 23 December 2015, 17:02:16
Mine is supposedly out for delivery today, really excited to see my set in person!

E: My set just got here, typing on it now on my Novatouch. Absolutely love it! Not sure that the R3 shifts are that big of a deal, but if R4 shifts become available I might grab them as well. Love the set, even though SA profile will take some getting used to.

GZ!

Hope your Novatouch is silenced. Did it today for my and i am blown away. It feels like piano with SA Profile.

My Novatouch is not silenced. I rather like the sound it makes, and I never need to use this particular board in a quiet environment. If I ever get bored, I might take the plunge, but I don't feel the need to adjust it yet.

Overall I'm very impressed with this set, particularly the warning signs. You did a great job :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 23 December 2015, 17:33:44
My Novatouch is not silenced. I rather like the sound it makes, and I never need to use this particular board in a quiet environment. If I ever get bored, I might take the plunge, but I don't feel the need to adjust it yet.

Overall I'm very impressed with this set, particularly the warning signs. You did a great job :thumb:

Thanks!

By the way please dont feel offended with my post about Novatouch. Pardon. I just didn't knew there are people who appreciate the stok version. Well everyone has its own preferences and likes :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 23 December 2015, 17:42:40
My Novatouch is not silenced. I rather like the sound it makes, and I never need to use this particular board in a quiet environment. If I ever get bored, I might take the plunge, but I don't feel the need to adjust it yet.

Overall I'm very impressed with this set, particularly the warning signs. You did a great job :thumb:

Thanks!

By the way please dont feel offended with my post about Novatouch. Pardon. I just didn't knew there are people who appreciate the stok version. Well everyone has its own preferences and likes :)

Oh no, I'm not offended at all. I've just never had the opportunity to try a silenced one, and I know I don't dislike the way it is now. If I ever have the opportunity to try a silenced version, I may change my mind :)

Will post some pictures after I get them off of the camera. Hopefully it will be tonight, but might not be for another day or two.

E: Full board
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/1e7qk5vj1nppe3a/DSC05076.JPG)

More pics (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33155.msg1982310#msg1982310)

Keys not on the board:
More
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/uoegdlgbp7mge27/DSC05081.JPG)
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/i15h8mkxgkvuyap/DSC05082.JPG)
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/168yzqcrjp9p6sl/DSC05093.JPG)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Rayoui on Thu, 24 December 2015, 06:54:19
Just got my Carbon set today and loving it! I missed out on a few of the optional addons that I now wish I'd purchased so I'm eagerly awaiting round 2!

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5818/23943915525_e6636ca4c6_o.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 24 December 2015, 07:07:52
My Novatouch is not silenced. I rather like the sound it makes, and I never need to use this particular board in a quiet environment. If I ever get bored, I might take the plunge, but I don't feel the need to adjust it yet.

Overall I'm very impressed with this set, particularly the warning signs. You did a great job :thumb:

Thanks!

By the way please dont feel offended with my post about Novatouch. Pardon. I just didn't knew there are people who appreciate the stok version. Well everyone has its own preferences and likes :)

Oh no, I'm not offended at all. I've just never had the opportunity to try a silenced one, and I know I don't dislike the way it is now. If I ever have the opportunity to try a silenced version, I may change my mind :)

Will post some pictures after I get them off of the camera. Hopefully it will be tonight, but might not be for another day or two.

E: Full board
Show Image
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/1e7qk5vj1nppe3a/DSC05076.JPG)


More pics (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33155.msg1982310#msg1982310)

Keys not on the board:
More
Show Image
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/uoegdlgbp7mge27/DSC05081.JPG)

Show Image
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/i15h8mkxgkvuyap/DSC05082.JPG)

Show Image
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/168yzqcrjp9p6sl/DSC05093.JPG)


Very nice! I think you would appreciate full orange stripe like the post below. I have to consider it (ins, home, page up in orange too if you can imagine)

Just got my Carbon set today and loving it! I missed out on a few of the optional addons that I now wish I'd purchased so I'm eagerly awaiting round 2!

Show Image
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5818/23943915525_e6636ca4c6_o.jpg)


Is that GON and GON numpad on top? I appreciate the orange num row stripe. Actually didn't thought to use Carbon 1.5u logo like that. Neet idea :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Rayoui on Thu, 24 December 2015, 07:26:30
Just got my Carbon set today and loving it! I missed out on a few of the optional addons that I now wish I'd purchased so I'm eagerly awaiting round 2!

Show Image
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5818/23943915525_e6636ca4c6_o.jpg)


Is that GON and GON numpad on top? I appreciate the orange num row stripe. Actually didn't thought to use Carbon 1.5u logo like that. Neet idea :)

It's a WKL B.face X2 and B.pad. Unfortunately, I missed out on the numpad kit so it's got some other caps on it at the moment.

It appears the profile for rows 2 and 4 are just mirror image of each other so it worked out for the 1.5u mods. I put another one on Tab for the sake of symmetry.

Thanks for bringing this awesome set to us!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 24 December 2015, 07:36:21
It's a WKL B.face X2 and B.pad. Unfortunately, I missed out on the numpad kit so it's got some other caps on it at the moment.
This is that i thought. Unfortunately i got only amount of kits for personal and development use. Basically i do not sell kits and i do not have some spare lying around. But i think you will be able to find some on mechmarket or here on GH.

It appears the profile for rows 2 and 4 are just mirror image of each other so it worked out for the 1.5u mods. I put another one on Tab for the sake of symmetry.

Thats right row 2 and 4 are just mirror images to/of each other.

Thanks for the compliment  :thumb:


Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Rayoui on Thu, 24 December 2015, 14:37:50
It's a WKL B.face X2 and B.pad. Unfortunately, I missed out on the numpad kit so it's got some other caps on it at the moment.
This is that i thought. Unfortunately i got only amount of kits for personal and development use. Basically i do not sell kits and i do not have some spare lying around. But i think you will be able to find some on mechmarket or here on GH.

No worries, I'll keep my eyes peeled for a set
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 25 December 2015, 06:14:13
Haha! Got my keys today. What great timing. Christmas Day. All deliveries running as normal since it's just another day. I was pretty shocked that I ordered so much. I think I went a bit overboard. The board I want to put the keys on is at work, so will have to wait until tomorrow. They do look fantastic from a brief look.

Edit: So happy to have a set that fits this.

(http://i.imgur.com/EjeK4zI.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 26 December 2015, 04:12:44
Haha! Got my keys today. What great timing. Christmas Day. All deliveries running as normal since it's just another day. I was pretty shocked that I ordered so much. I think I went a bit overboard. The board I want to put the keys on is at work, so will have to wait until tomorrow. They do look fantastic from a brief look.

Edit: So happy to have a set that fits this.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EjeK4zI.jpg)

Yeah minila! Actually i didn't thought Carbon could cover minila layout. So basically you did it with Base kit, Novelty kit, Planck kit and 3u spacebar (other kits like flex by the side).
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 26 December 2015, 04:31:02
Yeah it was about 5 different kits I think. Won't be doing that again  :)) Unless Yuri offers the same options.  :eek:  I have kits enough for it to go on a few different boards now though.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 26 December 2015, 04:45:40
Yeah it was about 5 different kits I think. Won't be doing that again  :)) Unless Yuri offers the same options.  :eek:  I have kits enough for it to go on a few different boards now though.
I am wondering your minilas bottom row is quite different from that i usually know for minila. See the picture below:
(http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/TCblj4Nh.jpg)
Is your minila a special version? Just curious.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 26 December 2015, 06:07:54
Ah mine is JIS layout. Well I should say it is the Japanese version since it certainly isn't standard.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 29 December 2015, 10:27:23
Haha! Got my keys today. What great timing. Christmas Day. All deliveries running as normal since it's just another day. I was pretty shocked that I ordered so much. I think I went a bit overboard. The board I want to put the keys on is at work, so will have to wait until tomorrow. They do look fantastic from a brief look.

Edit: So happy to have a set that fits this.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EjeK4zI.jpg)


That looks pretty awesome.

Here's mine:

(http://i.imgur.com/h7FRDdF.png)

Forgot to buy a Mod Kit though..
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: prava on Wed, 30 December 2015, 19:16:01
Hi there!

Got my set

(http://i.imgur.com/i1VsGsd.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/dNfj6G6.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/UwAxYFM.jpg)

---

There seems to be a small issue with the keycaps: overall, the keycaps are terribly wide. This means that in some keyboards they collide with the left side. This is a picture taken from a spanish colleague:

(http://i.imgur.com/2Ebx9cy.jpg)

He comments that he can't use the set on a Filco because the CTRL key rubs the case (on the left side) and sometimes even gets stuck and doesn't depress. I have tried my CTRL keys on my Filco (my pictures were taken on a WASD V2) and it seems like they rub the case just a tiny little bit. Being so tight it also means its very difficult to remove them because you have to press the key, insert the keypuller somehow, then pull them up.

So, IMO, if it could be done I'd suggest you try to shave the keys by 0,5 - 1 mm. As the key gets wider as you go down, shaving just a tiny little bit will deffinitely help with this issue, while maintaining the overall feeling and height of the keys.

Other than this, the colours and everything are astonishing.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 31 December 2015, 07:18:39
Hi there!

Got my set

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/i1VsGsd.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/dNfj6G6.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UwAxYFM.jpg)


---

There seems to be a small issue with the keycaps: overall, the keycaps are terribly wide. This means that in some keyboards they collide with the left side. This is a picture taken from a spanish colleague:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2Ebx9cy.jpg)


He comments that he can't use the set on a Filco because the CTRL key rubs the case (on the left side) and sometimes even gets stuck and doesn't depress. I have tried my CTRL keys on my Filco (my pictures were taken on a WASD V2) and it seems like they rub the case just a tiny little bit. Being so tight it also means its very difficult to remove them because you have to press the key, insert the keypuller somehow, then pull them up.

So, IMO, if it could be done I'd suggest you try to shave the keys by 0,5 - 1 mm. As the key gets wider as you go down, shaving just a tiny little bit will deffinitely help with this issue, while maintaining the overall feeling and height of the keys.

Other than this, the colours and everything are astonishing.

Glad to see some spanish users getting custom keyset  :thumb:

Got simillar issue with other SA keyset on my Filco. The spacebar is slightly rubbing against the case.

Who ever might read this: I wish you all happy new year!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: zslane on Thu, 31 December 2015, 12:26:58
I have put two different SA sets on three different Filcos without any problems of keycaps rubbing against the inner edges of the case. I've heard that there are some older Filco cases that have intolerably low tolerances on their side edges, creating problems for SA sets. But since this isn't a general problem with 99% of the cases out there, I'd say the problem--and the solution--lies with Filco and not SP. In fact, Filco seems to have rectified this issue judging from my own experiences putting SA keycaps on current Filco boards.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Zorberema on Fri, 01 January 2016, 13:49:54
Recieved my set today! :D

I really love the overall look of it; I've yet to encounter any flaws or damages. Thank you so much T0mb3ry for this set, awesome job! :)

(http://i.imgur.com/gl7ww0A.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 01 January 2016, 14:23:46
Recieved my set today! :D

I really love the overall look of it; I've yet to encounter any flaws or damages. Thank you so much T0mb3ry for this set, awesome job! :)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gl7ww0A.jpg)


Again thank you for the reply on reddit. I appreciate it! Nice Cable!  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Hispes on Sun, 03 January 2016, 10:08:41
Great job on the set. It is truly bad ass.

I hate that I missed it, but kudos to those of you who didn't.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Liocer on Wed, 06 January 2016, 07:26:40
Got mine this week too, totally love them :D, was going to put these on my Planck when it eventually comes but I like them so much they're staying on my Pok3r daily driver.

edit. Only thing that's a little annoying is that the set doesn't have an orange backspace to complete a full set of orange across the top. Or maybe it did and I didn't order it, bah.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 06 January 2016, 07:40:53

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2Ebx9cy.jpg)


He comments that he can't use the set on a Filco because the CTRL key rubs the case (on the left side) and sometimes even gets stuck and doesn't depress. I have tried my CTRL keys on my Filco (my pictures were taken on a WASD V2) and it seems like they rub the case just a tiny little bit. Being so tight it also means its very difficult to remove them because you have to press the key, insert the keypuller somehow, then pull them up.


YES some SA sets can not fit inside a Filco casing because I found out the hard way on my filco models, whether they be TKLs or full 104s.

Had decided to fill all my Filco's with GMK and BST key-sets instead and everything is good if you want to use your Filco Keyboards.

SA key-sets are best to use with Leopolds and KUL keyboards.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Rayoui on Wed, 06 January 2016, 19:22:41
Got mine this week too, totally love them :D, was going to put these on my Planck when it eventually comes but I like them so much they're staying on my Pok3r daily driver.

edit. Only thing that's a little annoying is that the set doesn't have an orange backspace to complete a full set of orange across the top. Or maybe it did and I didn't order it, bah.

Orange stripe action! No orange 2u Backspace though

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/24112464092_1f5a669229_o.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Liocer on Thu, 07 January 2016, 14:58:56

Got mine this week too, totally love them :D, was going to put these on my Planck when it eventually comes but I like them so much they're staying on my Pok3r daily driver.

edit. Only thing that's a little annoying is that the set doesn't have an orange backspace to complete a full set of orange across the top. Or maybe it did and I didn't order it, bah.

Orange stripe action! No orange 2u Backspace though

Show Image
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/24112464092_1f5a669229_o.jpg)

Mine basically looks like that with a grey backspace as you said no 2u orange. It looks so good on 60% boards :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: finalreq on Sat, 09 January 2016, 00:11:36
Is this ever going to go back on sale? I'm really sad that I missed out on it  :(
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 09 January 2016, 04:50:17
Is this ever going to go back on sale? I'm really sad that I missed out on it  :(

Probably.

I think, due to popularity of Carbon, it should run again.

I gathered enough feeback for next possible round.
I also would like to make some things different and make some corrections.
For example the graphene enter displayed below in  the picture.
Also it shows other key sizes utilizing graphene.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: diqkiq on Mon, 11 January 2016, 20:29:58
I got my set a few weeks ago and tried to set it up on my Filco. Well the keys would rub on the edge of the top half of the case. So I removed the top so I can enjoy these caps!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: HannahPeach on Mon, 11 January 2016, 22:48:07
I got my set a few weeks ago and tried to set it up on my Filco. Well the keys would rub on the edge of the top half of the case. So I removed the top so I can enjoy these caps!

That's what I'd call commitment! Jokes aside, I have them on a filco too and don't seem to have any problems of that kind. Which keys have been rubbing exactly?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: kenshinjeff on Tue, 12 January 2016, 04:53:49
Is this ever going to go back on sale? I'm really sad that I missed out on it  :(

Probably.

I think, due to popularity of Carbon, it should run again.

I gathered enough feeback for next possible round.
I also would like to make some things different and make some corrections.
For example the graphene enter displayed below in  the picture.
Also it shows other key sizes utilizing graphene.

Yes, please!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: diqkiq on Tue, 12 January 2016, 18:21:03
I got my set a few weeks ago and tried to set it up on my Filco. Well the keys would rub on the edge of the top half of the case. So I removed the top so I can enjoy these caps!

That's what I'd call commitment! Jokes aside, I have them on a filco too and don't seem to have any problems of that kind. Which keys have been rubbing exactly?

Almost all the left and right keys. The top and bottom were fine. They would slightly rub. I'd rather take the top off rather than get scuff marks on the keys :)  What version Majestouch do you have? This one is the original.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: xmrxx on Mon, 18 January 2016, 14:29:39
Id love to see WASD key caps and arrow keys in orange or gray as option also for the next drop.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:14:47
Id love to see WASD key caps and arrow keys in orange or gray as option also for the next drop.

That is probably very possible, just depends if T0mb3ry wants to implement it or not. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 19 January 2016, 11:28:41
Id love to see WASD key caps and arrow keys in orange or gray as option also for the next drop.

That is probably very possible, just depends if T0mb3ry wants to implement it or not. :)

There will be a gamer kit of course. Also thinking about alternate arrows in general.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 19 January 2016, 11:48:57
Id love to see WASD key caps and arrow keys in orange or gray as option also for the next drop.

That is probably very possible, just depends if T0mb3ry wants to implement it or not. :)

There will be a gamer kit of course. Also thinking about alternate arrows in general.
Awesome stuff.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 23 January 2016, 09:10:15
Trying out stuff for pseudo blank keys.

These are edited scans. My scans dont represent the real colors but someone who got Carbon will know how its gonna look like in real envoirment.
(http://i.imgur.com/IuLRIPW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/yyYbbZg.jpg)

Think it might be an overkill. However i'd like to know your opinion.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: FLFisherman on Sat, 23 January 2016, 09:11:37
Trying out stuff.

These are edited scans. My scans dont represent the real colors but someone who got Carbon will know how its gonna look like in real envoirment.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IuLRIPW.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/yyYbbZg.jpg)


Think it might be an overkill. However i'd like to know your opinion.

I think I agree with the overkill. It just seems like too much and not enough variety.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 23 January 2016, 10:45:23
I don't like that design for 1u caps. It looks too much like a honeycomb pattern.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 24 January 2016, 14:24:31
I don't like that design for 1u caps. It looks too much like a honeycomb pattern.

I tend to agree. Very "busy" looking.

Something like a carbon molecule could make more sense though, maybe even just for some of the keys as well, like a homing key or the larger keys, etc.
https://dj1hlxw0wr920.cloudfront.net/userfiles/wyzfiles/c0a7c206-8117-4c33-b0f8-68a203913b36.gif
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 24 January 2016, 14:32:30
I don't like that design for 1u caps. It looks too much like a honeycomb pattern.

I tend to agree. Very "busy" looking.

Something like a carbon molecule could make more sense though, maybe even just for some of the keys as well, like a homing key or the larger keys, etc.
https://dj1hlxw0wr920.cloudfront.net/userfiles/wyzfiles/c0a7c206-8117-4c33-b0f8-68a203913b36.gif

Quite damn hard to achive something for a blank keys replacement. I mean just blanks is clean and so, but its empty and lacks this kind of thing there a person wants to examine all the keys.

For the variaty i am thinking of warning signs in beige but in all rows. There are 12 warning signs which can be put randomized on a keyboard and it will look like Louis Vuitton pattern:
(http://img11.deviantart.net/142b/i/2011/252/4/4/louis_vuitton_seamless_pattern_by_bang_a_rang-d3l2zii.png)

However i think i'll end up just with blanks.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 24 January 2016, 14:46:14
I don't like that design for 1u caps. It looks too much like a honeycomb pattern.

I tend to agree. Very "busy" looking.

Something like a carbon molecule could make more sense though, maybe even just for some of the keys as well, like a homing key or the larger keys, etc.
https://dj1hlxw0wr920.cloudfront.net/userfiles/wyzfiles/c0a7c206-8117-4c33-b0f8-68a203913b36.gif

Quite damn hard to achive something for a blank keys replacement. I mean just blanks is clean and so, but its empty and lacks this kind of thing there a person wants to examine all the keys. For the variaty i am thinking of warning signs in beige but in all rows. However i think i'll end up just with blanks.

Yeah its really hard to come up with something for blanks. Im a bit stumped for my own kit as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 24 January 2016, 15:56:53
Some mockups.

Blank
(http://i.imgur.com/luHNaFk.jpg)

Warning Vuitton
(http://i.imgur.com/F9NFKzq.jpg)

I for myself prefer standard keys from base set.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 24 January 2016, 16:37:10
Some mockups.

Blank
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/luHNaFk.jpg)


Warning Vuitton
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/F9NFKzq.jpg)


I for myself prefer standard keys from base set.

Personally, I find the beige warning signs to be much less overwhelming than the uniform hexagon pattern. Personally, I still prefer blanks with a few accent keys, but it might be worth seeing what others are interested in.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 24 January 2016, 16:59:03
Some mockups.

Blank
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/luHNaFk.jpg)


Warning Vuitton
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/F9NFKzq.jpg)


I for myself prefer standard keys from base set.

Personally, I find the beige warning signs to be much less overwhelming than the uniform hexagon pattern. Personally, I still prefer blanks with a few accent keys, but it might be worth seeing what others are interested in.

Well, we'll just offer blank keys.

However even both versions were overhelming (overkill) it was worth a try :). I think someday someone will find a solution how to make this right.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 02 February 2016, 17:00:41
Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.
(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)

Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: WNovizar on Tue, 02 February 2016, 21:39:08
Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)


Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:

Umm are you going to reopen the group buy once more?

In any case, I think I like warning keys for alphas with legended mods.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 03 February 2016, 03:20:45
Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)


Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:

Umm are you going to reopen the group buy once more?

In any case, I think I like warning keys for alphas with legended mods.

Yes it will run again this year. However i dont know the date. SP has been overrun with recent SA GB :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: xondat on Wed, 03 February 2016, 04:06:28
Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)


Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:

Umm are you going to reopen the group buy once more?

In any case, I think I like warning keys for alphas with legended mods.

Yes it will run again this year. However i dont know the date. SP has been overrun with recent SA GB :)
Considering they're piled in till July shipping, it'd probably be August or later..
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:33:29
I think there will be two ergodox kits. One like always only with blanks. Second one will be for professionals. It has kinesis layout but is also adjustable to ansi with some options.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZXnikxP.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 08 February 2016, 02:45:23
I think there will be two ergodox kits. One like always only with blanks. Second one will be for professionals. It has kinesis layout but is also adjustable to ansi with some options.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZXnikxP.jpg)


Damn! Gonna have to get myself some more carbon!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: pattulus on Mon, 08 February 2016, 06:03:46
Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)


Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:

Umm are you going to reopen the group buy once more?

In any case, I think I like warning keys for alphas with legended mods.

I think there will be two ergodox kits. One like always only with blanks. Second one will be for professionals. It has kinesis layout but is also adjustable to ansi with some options.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZXnikxP.jpg)


Damn! Gonna have to get myself some more carbon!  :eek:

Regarding the ErgoDox: I love the versatility here. One default kit, the professional kit and blanks. That should be a good starting point for everyone looking into modding the keyboard. The honeycomb definitely was overkill, but the warning signs would make for a nice bonus child kit for those looking to add some more custom keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: AwSmCreator on Wed, 24 February 2016, 03:23:45
Please bring back the Carbon set for another GB!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 24 February 2016, 12:42:27
Please bring back the Carbon set for another GB!

No need to worry, it will drop again  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 24 February 2016, 12:45:21
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here  :)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Vizir on Wed, 24 February 2016, 14:26:04
sweet! ordered.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: johuu on Wed, 24 February 2016, 14:28:24
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here  :)

Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: AwSmCreator on Wed, 24 February 2016, 15:18:39
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here  :)
I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 24 February 2016, 15:51:40
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here  :)

Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?

I planned it before. However SP offers them already. I think i end up offering only the unusual shift sizes (iso and 1.75u). But its not clear right now. But if you wish also the standard row 4 shifts, then just let me know. I'll look into it.

I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?

Dont know, but i think jukebox will drop first then 1976. Decisions huh?  :D

Edit: 1976 is droping in march. Guess first 1976 then jukebox.

 
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Chewypost on Wed, 24 February 2016, 23:33:58
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here  :)

Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?

I planned it before. However SP offers them already. I think i end up offering only the unusual shift sizes (iso and 1.75u). But its not clear right now. But if you wish also the standard row 4 shifts, then just let me know. I'll look into it.

I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?

Dont know, but i think jukebox will drop first then 1976. Decisions huh?  :D

Edit: 1976 is droping in march. Guess first 1976 then jukebox.

:0 where are you hearing this godsend of information?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 24 February 2016, 23:53:49
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here  :)

Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?

I planned it before. However SP offers them already. I think i end up offering only the unusual shift sizes (iso and 1.75u). But its not clear right now. But if you wish also the standard row 4 shifts, then just let me know. I'll look into it.

I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?

Dont know, but i think jukebox will drop first then 1976. Decisions huh?  :D

Edit: 1976 is droping in march. Guess first 1976 then jukebox.

:0 where are you hearing this godsend of information?

Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/47ewqa/let_us_renewal/
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: Almada71 on Thu, 25 February 2016, 17:15:15
I cant wait until Carbon drops again. I love the color orange and it goes so well with the gray! I probably pick up a couple sets!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: AwSmCreator on Fri, 26 February 2016, 14:21:56
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here  :)

Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?

I planned it before. However SP offers them already. I think i end up offering only the unusual shift sizes (iso and 1.75u). But its not clear right now. But if you wish also the standard row 4 shifts, then just let me know. I'll look into it.

I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?

Dont know, but i think jukebox will drop first then 1976. Decisions huh?  :D

Edit: 1976 is droping in march. Guess first 1976 then jukebox.
I can't wait.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:20:06
My suggestions for forum keys. DT key will happen as i got no permission for the usual DT key you know. The RMK will happen too, because of reasons. However for the geekhack you can decide to make it this way or use the already existing one.

RMK
(http://i.imgur.com/5WXQN05.jpg)

GeekHack
(http://i.imgur.com/m6Vy5a6.jpg)

Deskthority
(http://i.imgur.com/0ZQFcMS.jpg)

XPost.

PS. If those are getting made feel free to use them for your keyset design. There is no need to ask for permission. I am trying to make permissions-free forum keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ntelope on Sat, 05 March 2016, 23:44:43
Man.. I just really want the carbon set. Too bad it is a pain to see someone let go of theirs :(
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: jeremya on Tue, 22 March 2016, 11:09:32
T0mb3ry, I absolutely love the look of the Carbon layout!

Please forgive the naive question, but I'm part of the latest Infinity Ergodox drop (it will be my first build), but I really want backlighting.

I understand the first generation of the Carbon kits did not have translucent legends... I'm wondering if there's a chance you could work out some translucent legends as an option for the next round?

(Just imagine how sexy the graphene hexes will look when properly backlit!)  :eek:  :p  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 25 March 2016, 05:41:34
Hey jeremya,

i already replied you on MD in regards of transluscent legends. As i said the legends will let the light pass through unevenly, because the legends are centered and are placed directly above the stem.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: jeremya on Sun, 27 March 2016, 23:49:23
Indeed you did. Sorry for the duplicate question -- I figured a forum like this was more appropriate than MD's discussion board for an expired drop. ;-)

Your work inspires me, and I'm going to keep at this "problem" for my own purposes. :)

I'm wondering if there's a way to design a kind of "light spreader" that can solve the uneven illumination problem. I know the stem will always be in the way, but I'm thinking there's got to be some simple way (a clear O-ring / silicon mold / fiber optic bundle / or other device) to get the light to bounce around and fill the cap more evenly. 

I'll put some brainpower into and see if something dawns on me. In the meanwhile, I'm open to suggestions. =)
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 02 April 2016, 03:59:37
Indeed you did. Sorry for the duplicate question -- I figured a forum like this was more appropriate than MD's discussion board for an expired drop. ;-)

Your work inspires me, and I'm going to keep at this "problem" for my own purposes. :)

I'm wondering if there's a way to design a kind of "light spreader" that can solve the uneven illumination problem. I know the stem will always be in the way, but I'm thinking there's got to be some simple way (a clear O-ring / silicon mold / fiber optic bundle / or other device) to get the light to bounce around and fill the cap more evenly. 

I'll put some brainpower into and see if something dawns on me. In the meanwhile, I'm open to suggestions. =)

You should study following Deskthority-Wiki article: https://deskthority.net/wiki/Double-shot_molding
Following video gives you more insight how SP double shot keycaps are made:
As you can see SP makes the legends first (without stem). The second shot basically wraps around the first shot. And i personally see there two reasons why i would not recommend making a backlit keyset.


In conclusion: SP keycaps are not thought to support the backlighting. If you want support for backlight, you have to fund new molds for SP. Thats a lot of money. For example only the molds for SA Profile row 4 shifts costs around 5k bucks...

 
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset. !!!!WTB Orange ALPHAS!!!!
Post by: diqkiq on Sun, 24 April 2016, 07:22:01
Please PM me if you could spare an orange alpha set from this buy. I only bought one and my Dad is nagging me to give it to him. I cant give mine up so I need another set.
Also, I finally  covered up my Filco KB with a Grey TEX case. The carbon set looks good!

Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ninjanano on Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:19:46
Some mockups.

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+1, although, some kind of home-key indicator would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: sasalaee on Thu, 12 May 2016, 00:10:56
wonderful !!
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 May 2016, 07:21:44
That GH logo is sick, awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: thiagoalves on Thu, 12 May 2016, 23:39:35
I just found this thread and the Carbon set is the best! How do I buy the set for Ergodox now (assuming they're finished)? If they're not finished, is there an idea of when they'll be available? Also, Can they be sold without the legends (blank keycaps)?
Title: Re: [IC] Carbon Keyset
Post by: dsaf on Tue, 22 November 2016, 17:38:03
There is an interest in this.