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Title: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: MarMun on Thu, 23 November 2017, 06:15:23
I like to have a mechanical keyboard as I type the whole day long and "just because"...

Total noob who thought: "How hard could it be?" <- turns out: very...

(read: everything you read below, I didn't know about anything at all 48 hours ago.)

As I could not decide which topic board to use (as I have trouble on all steps involved), I just tell you how it is going right here:

The plan:

1) Buy the Red Scarf III Ver.A 96 at MassDrop
- Except that I need to wait for half a year until delivery:
- I have only 6 days left to decide if I could actually handle the whole thing  :-\

2) Make a custom keyboard layout at keyboard-layout-editor.com
- ok, no problem here except I barely know what I'm doing
- you may see my current doodle here: PLZ SEE MY RESPONSE BELOW
  (I maybe call it "Commander Shepard"; I'm positive nobody else did this. Ever.)

3) Have the custom key caps printed at maxkeyboard.com
 - they may not support a "1.75 left shift", though
 - already contacted their support regarding this (waiting for reply)

4) Import the custom keyboard layout at TMK Keymap Generator
 - here we reach a new level of "very":
 - the page doesn't know how to handle the german umlauts I need
 - the german umlauts are not even listed under the supported labels
 - one million dollar question: How do I get my german umlauts into the .eep ? <-- TL&DR? Here are actual questions
 - bonus question: due to the umlauts, I have no room for some keys
 - so I need extra symbols on Y, X and C (accessible via "Alt")
 - how do I get these extra symbols on these keys?

6) Everything else should be piece of cake
 - except I didn't smolder since... I was 14, I guess (26 years ago)
 - needless to say I don't even have smoldering equipment
 - but I have the feeling I have enough time to buy one until I need to use it
 - I may even by one of these small things for training / testing purposes (e.g. this: http://bit.ly/2A1SXRj (http://bit.ly/2A1SXRj))


Long story short... If you like to see noob stumble through this adventure for the next 6-7 month, I'm all yours!

I could certainly use your help and advice  :D

Best wishes,
Martin
Title: Re: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: AMongoose on Thu, 23 November 2017, 07:14:50
You know you can get fully assembled and ready mechanical keyboards from regular companies with no wait times right?

(Also your link is broken)
Title: Re: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: MarMun on Thu, 23 November 2017, 07:16:23
As bitly doesn't accept keyboard-layout-editor.com perma-links (?) here the link to my Layout:

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Title: Re: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 23 November 2017, 07:25:38
umlauts don't need to go into the file.  You can just use a normal Red Scarf layout and the German characters will be on the correct keys as long as your PC is configured to interpret the keyboard as German.
Title: Re: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: MarMun on Thu, 23 November 2017, 07:31:39
@AMongoose

Yes, I know I can buy "turn key" keyboards.

But I don't like the look of most of them.

I like to have the compact layout like the one linked above with a thin case.

What I'm also considering atm: https://mechboards.co.uk/shop/all/96key-kit/ (https://mechboards.co.uk/shop/all/96key-kit/)

Here, I could let them assemble everything.

But:

- It would not give me german umlauts at the keycaps (but I might consider to let go of them if it turns out as a big problem)
Title: Re: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: MarMun on Thu, 23 November 2017, 07:36:31
@metalliqaz

uh! very good news! this helps with the umlauts in the keymap.  :thumb:

Any tipp regarding the "X", "Y" and "C" extra symbols?

Title: Re: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 23 November 2017, 18:25:10
If it's a standard qwertz layout, then you just use a standard layout.  The scancodes are the same for all keyboards, the only difference is how the PC is configured to interpret them and what keycaps are on the switches.
Title: Re: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: MarMun on Fri, 24 November 2017, 02:53:25
The thing is: On german layout there is a dedicated key for "< > |" which is missing on the 96 layout the Red Scarf III features...

I have the feeling that I need to simplify things:

A) I seriously consider to drop my requirement of the german layout completely and "just" go for the ANSI US layout.

First: You informed me the OS interprets what symbol to print if a key is hit (so I could just switch to GER if I need to type things like " ").
Second: If I look at the US layout, I actually like the positioning of "{} []" (as a programmer, I need those often + even after 20 years of coding, the positioning of those symbols on GER layout feels odd to me)

But most important: It "unlocks" a ton of options I don't had before:

- I could "just" buy a key set (e.g. order directly from Taiwan; there is one I like at Tai Hao shop)
- OR I could "just" go with the default layout at maxkeyboard.com and customize colors to my liking (still awaiting info about availability of 1.75U shift, though)
Title: Re: Hi, I'm Martin and I want this! ("How hard could it be?")
Post by: SamirD on Fri, 01 December 2017, 09:55:57
Welcome to the madness Martin!  :thumb: