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Title: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB Live
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 11 March 2018, 01:44:13
NEW Interest Check Form at Bottom
Most of the stuff has been finalized. Waiting for a second proto and color samples.

(https://i.imgur.com/HEYh0ig.png)(https://i.imgur.com/tPZMZzv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/gCte1Gr.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/IKT6ObH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/31cpdfq.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/SkNshHr.jpg)

Album:  https://imgur.com/a/SKukgIz

Left Handed / Semi-reversed full sized board. Top mount. CNC aluminum.

After running the compact version of the Southpaw, there were a few things that I thought could be improved upon and some thing others wanted so I present to the community, the full size southpaw. Some people wanted this in a 96 key layout for the Fn row and after looking into that, there were a few issues (keycap/layout compatibility and case design to name a few) so I decided to go the "full custom" route.

Details and information updated 7/7/18

Quick Deets
- Full size with numpad on left side
- Compatible nearly all keycap sets
- Standard or mirrored numpad options
- Traditional Top Mount
- 8.5 Degree angle
- WK and WKL Options
- CNC Aluminum Top and Bottom
- USB Mini B
- QMK Firmware
- MOQ of 45 units.

Pricing
Pricing structure will be based on chosen options. Those include your preference of material, finish, and if you want the version with the weight or not. A complete kit starts at $265.00 USD. This pricing is NOT YET FINAL and is subject to change.

Chassis Pricing (preliminary)
- Base price of $210 for a chassis in 6061 with no weight and no finishing
- Add $20 for standard anodization
- Add $50 for hard anodization
- Add $25 for 7075 aluminum
- Add $120 for brass weight

Plate Pricing (preliminary)
- $30 for Aluminum Plate
- $25 for Aluminum Half Plate
- $25 for Acrylic Plate
- $25 for Acrylic Half Plate
- $55 for Brass Plate


Layout
The layout is simmilar to that of a LZ-RV but with the option of a mirrored numpad and a winkeyless version.

(https://i.imgur.com/q6H3r58.png)


Design and Production
Board will be at a fixed 8.5 degree angle with a relative low front face at around 16mm. After typing on some really high boards, the lower you can go, the better. I don't want to make things paper thin though, so that was as low as I was able to bring it. Design wise, I wanted something clean and simple, but not quite boring. Thicker bezel on top and bottom, thinner ones on the sides as well as a stepped cutout on the side and a raised rear edge.

I had a poly half plate offering at first but in the end, it didn't really make much sense as acrylic gives a very simmilar feel and is a million times cheaper because it can be laser cut easily and accurately whereas poly needs to be CNC machined slowly as coolant can't be used and because of how susceptible to warp the material is. Half plates will still be offered in both aluminum and acrylic.

The board will use a semi-isolated top mount configuration similar to that of the TGR Jane. SE will also feature a brass weight that drops in and bolts down from the inside. I'll probably offer custom laser marking so you can laser anything you want to the weight.

Finishes and coatings
Finishes and coatings are TBD but I will be offering the standard raw finish in addition to normal anodization. Standard colors will probably include
- Black
- Grey
- Silver
- Cyan
- Purple
- Red
- Orange

Special finishes will probably include the following. They will be at an additional cost. Note that hard anodized grey on 7075 will give you a very light titanium grey vs. a true grey as hard anodization on 7075 gives for a bronze-ish overtone.
- Hard Anodized (Type III) Black
- Hard Anodized (Type III) Dark Grey - Dont want to risk anodizing inconsistencies with this one
- MAO White (Micro Arc Oxidization) - Factory can't do this


Options and add-ons
- Extra Plates and PCBs
- PVD Finishes for Brass plate and weight
- Hard anodization (available for both ST and LTD versions)
- Micro Arc Oxidization (available for both ST and LTD versions)
- Custom lasermarking (laser anything you want onto the weight)
- In house assembly and/or tuning

Timeline
This will start after I wrap up the current GB and boards arrive in everyone's hands in working condition. Hopefully, we won't hit any delays with this since CNY only comes once a year. There is not really a timeline at the moment, but it kinda looks like this.

- A long while - Prototyping, Designing, Finding a Factory, and Discussing MOQ
- 4 weeks - Run GB
- 3-4.5 months - Production, packing and shipping

To-Do List
- Finish Southpaw 65+ GB - Timeline adjusted. This will be done before 65+ wraps up.
- Launch Interest Check on reddit - DONE
- Prototyping - Second proto pending
- Find a PCB designer - DONE
- Find a factory for CNC work - DONE
- Find a factory for anodizing - DONE
- Decide on options - Finalizing - DONE





Purchase Here       https://switchplate.co/collections/southpaw-full-size-group-buy
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: wodan on Sun, 11 March 2018, 01:57:31
ISO and left hand support. Both my disabilities tackled!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 11 March 2018, 01:58:43
don't wanna be that guy but might wanna run it by LZ

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78901.0
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 11 March 2018, 03:26:37
don't wanna be that guy but might wanna run it by LZ

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78901.0

wait why? LZ has patent on this layout now?
can we stop with trying to be design police.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: Tree_ on Sun, 11 March 2018, 03:58:27
don't wanna be that guy but might wanna run it by LZ

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78901.0

Did LifeZone run that past companies that made left-sided numpad boards before he did?

Does anybody that runs custom keyboard GB's run theirs through Christopher Latham Sholes?

See how ridiculous that sounds?  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Sun, 11 March 2018, 04:18:53
Yeh this is some good stuff. Very nice


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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: mago on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:23:39
This looks really good  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 11 March 2018, 16:55:08
I've wanted an LZ-RV for a long time. I'm definitely in for this!

Any idea if the pcb will be QMK? Or will we have to suffer through using bootmapper client?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: CandyKeys on Sun, 11 March 2018, 18:23:05
Looks awesome! Can not wait to see the final ones that are coming soon from our GB, ISO support +1
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: Delirious on Sun, 11 March 2018, 19:24:51
don't wanna be that guy but might wanna run it by LZ

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78901.0


Oh geez, I hope every group buy runner and their mother better run it by dfu for the hhkb layout. Or better yet, run it by Apple directly. While we’re at it let’s tell Sherryton to run it by Cherry first since he’s selling WoB “Originative” cap set.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: BillyTheMute on Sun, 11 March 2018, 19:25:53
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 11 March 2018, 19:57:10
Shout out to the LH Full Size KB Massive.

I believe this was one of my Wishes for 2018.

EDIT: I would make the numpad reversible - precedent has numpads unchanged when used on the left, but if I were to have a shot at V2 I would put the [ENTER] and [PLUS] on the left, or at least have the option to do so.

Also [Winkey] - I get the removal on smaller boards which are literally base on "minimal", but taking off the OS key from a full-size just seems a little, how should I say, petty?

You have my interest - following!

EDIT2: At full-size, I don't think you need a brass weight with so much alu and switch/cap material already there.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sun, 11 March 2018, 20:24:13
Awsome, I was looking for a TKL with a giant macropad to the left! :p
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: Shados on Mon, 12 March 2018, 05:15:33
Mmm. Would like to see:
- PCB support to optionally mirror the numpad layout (i.e. have the 2u keys on the left)
- Alps support (on the PCB, ideally with separate Alps plates offered)
- WK option
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: phorx on Mon, 12 March 2018, 14:51:29
I like it!  All the keys but with the reduced arm-travel of a TKL.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 12 March 2018, 17:05:17
I've wanted an LZ-RV for a long time. I'm definitely in for this!

Any idea if the pcb will be QMK? Or will we have to suffer through using bootmapper client?

I haven't gotten a PCB for this yet. I'm planning to finish the case first and find a PCB designer after the case is finalized. For the time being, I'll most likely be chopping up a b87 EX PCB and wiring the numpad across the underside.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 12 March 2018, 17:06:21
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

Just wondering, but why no QMK? I find it pretty easy to work around. What would you prefer?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 12 March 2018, 17:10:11
Mmm. Would like to see:
- PCB support to optionally mirror the numpad layout (i.e. have the 2u keys on the left)
- Alps support (on the PCB, ideally with separate Alps plates offered)
- WK option

A number of people are asking for the mirrored numpad so I'll try and see if I can support that. It'll certainly need separate plates though since creating a cutout for both sizes on one plate removes a lot of stiffness since this is top mounted.

I'll look into alps support. The only issue here might be the number of layouts on the PCB (with winkey) and plate MOQ.

I'll most likely run a winkey plate and top case. Seems to be enough interest for it.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: ojrask on Mon, 12 March 2018, 17:13:06
Definitely interested, though this might get pricey! I presume hard anodization is otherwise the same as regular anodization but has better durability against wear and such?

I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

Why no QMK? Something else?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 12 March 2018, 19:32:21
Definitely interested, though this might get pricey! I presume hard anodization is otherwise the same as regular anodization but has better durability against wear and such?

I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

Why no QMK? Something else?

I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

Just wondering, but why no QMK? I find it pretty easy to work around. What would you prefer?

He's probably looking for bootmapper client :yuck: QMK is so much more powerful than anything else around
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: K.Mak on Mon, 12 March 2018, 23:48:17
Type C or Mini B?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: BillyTheMute on Tue, 13 March 2018, 07:35:35
Definitely interested, though this might get pricey! I presume hard anodization is otherwise the same as regular anodization but has better durability against wear and such?

I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

Why no QMK? Something else?

I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

Just wondering, but why no QMK? I find it pretty easy to work around. What would you prefer?

He's probably looking for bootmapper client :yuck: QMK is so much more powerful than anything else around


Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 13 March 2018, 07:41:45
Definitely interested, though this might get pricey! I presume hard anodization is otherwise the same as regular anodization but has better durability against wear and such?

I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

Why no QMK? Something else?

I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

Just wondering, but why no QMK? I find it pretty easy to work around. What would you prefer?

He's probably looking for bootmapper client :yuck: QMK is so much more powerful than anything else around


Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.

Yeah QMK does have pain-points, I would love to have a defined installation that allows me to create a keymap firmware without worrying about dependencies and OS versions. Right now I can't use QMK with Pearl40% because my Ubuntu is too old to compile to the correct AVR target for instance.

I think QMK developers are working on making the whole process simpler, e.g. removing setup steps and allowing folks to just get the keymaps they need via some API.

I like QMK but I do agree that it is not for everyone at least right now. Gladly there are some tools to bypass QMK at least. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 13 March 2018, 08:06:46

Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.

Yeah QMK does have pain-points, I would love to have a defined installation that allows me to create a keymap firmware without worrying about dependencies and OS versions. Right now I can't use QMK with Pearl40% because my Ubuntu is too old to compile to the correct AVR target for instance.

I think QMK developers are working on making the whole process simpler, e.g. removing setup steps and allowing folks to just get the keymaps they need via some API.

I like QMK but I do agree that it is not for everyone at least right now. Gladly there are some tools to bypass QMK at least. :)

Well, I'd be happy to help build keymaps for people. I have one board with bootmapper and it is a significantly more painful process just to remap a few keys.

I just re-setup my build environment the other day and it was pretty painless, on windows at least. Install msys2, run a script that's included in the source code (which actually sets everything up for you). Good to go =D
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 13 March 2018, 09:31:47

Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.

Yeah QMK does have pain-points, I would love to have a defined installation that allows me to create a keymap firmware without worrying about dependencies and OS versions. Right now I can't use QMK with Pearl40% because my Ubuntu is too old to compile to the correct AVR target for instance.

I think QMK developers are working on making the whole process simpler, e.g. removing setup steps and allowing folks to just get the keymaps they need via some API.

I like QMK but I do agree that it is not for everyone at least right now. Gladly there are some tools to bypass QMK at least. :)

Well, I'd be happy to help build keymaps for people. I have one board with bootmapper and it is a significantly more painful process just to remap a few keys.

I just re-setup my build environment the other day and it was pretty painless, on windows at least. Install msys2, run a script that's included in the source code (which actually sets everything up for you). Good to go =D

My setup is a fork at GitHub and the official repo is an upstream. The dependencies need to be installed once and after that, you can just make HEX files with `git pull upstream master && git submodules init` and `make board:layout` with flashing using `dfu-programmer` (or `bootloadHID`). Makes it pretty simple to get upstream enhancements and send pull requests for your layouts and other things. Have not used QMK with Windows so would not know about that though.

For non-programmers, this is pure hell though. QMK should have a single binary which reads a somawhat human-readable keymap file and outputs a HEX for you, with the option of auto-flashing on supported boards/MCUs for the layout. And no, using something like Docker for a "binary" is just not the same. People want a simple qmk.exe which they can run.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Tue, 13 March 2018, 16:19:35

Let's just say I've built a few boards that used QMK and it completely turned me off from using it ever again. Why is beside the point and this type of conversation always turns into QMK evangelism and goes off topic. I get it, it's powerful. It's also not the best option for everyone.

Yeah QMK does have pain-points, I would love to have a defined installation that allows me to create a keymap firmware without worrying about dependencies and OS versions. Right now I can't use QMK with Pearl40% because my Ubuntu is too old to compile to the correct AVR target for instance.

I think QMK developers are working on making the whole process simpler, e.g. removing setup steps and allowing folks to just get the keymaps they need via some API.

I like QMK but I do agree that it is not for everyone at least right now. Gladly there are some tools to bypass QMK at least. :)

Well, I'd be happy to help build keymaps for people. I have one board with bootmapper and it is a significantly more painful process just to remap a few keys.

I just re-setup my build environment the other day and it was pretty painless, on windows at least. Install msys2, run a script that's included in the source code (which actually sets everything up for you). Good to go =D

My setup is a fork at GitHub and the official repo is an upstream. The dependencies need to be installed once and after that, you can just make HEX files with `git pull upstream master && git submodules init` and `make board:layout` with flashing using `dfu-programmer` (or `bootloadHID`). Makes it pretty simple to get upstream enhancements and send pull requests for your layouts and other things. Have not used QMK with Windows so would not know about that though.

For non-programmers, this is pure hell though. QMK should have a single binary which reads a somawhat human-readable keymap file and outputs a HEX for you, with the option of auto-flashing on supported boards/MCUs for the layout. And no, using something like Docker for a "binary" is just not the same. People want a simple qmk.exe which they can run.
As one of those non-programmers this entire conversation shows that I'm about 30 IQ points short of understanding what exactly I've gotten myself into with this board. :))
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 13 March 2018, 16:43:02

As one of those non-programmers this entire conversation shows that I'm about 30 IQ points short of understanding what exactly I've gotten myself into with this board. :))

Honestly, once the build environment is setup, editing the keymap file is pretty straight forward.

They've also made setting up the enviro (https://docs.qmk.fm/getting_started_build_tools.html#windows-with-msys2-recommended) much easier since the last time I used QMK.

Also, exactly why I mentioned I'd be more than happy to help people build custom keymaps ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: Woovie on Tue, 13 March 2018, 19:18:06
I would be very much so about this board.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: bball2 on Tue, 13 March 2018, 20:20:59
Replied to the survey  :thumb:

Most likely in depending on final pricing!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: Quantum Dos on Wed, 14 March 2018, 00:41:35
Stumbled upon this gem from a post inquiring about full-sized DIY -- I'm all about this. Hopefully the pocketbook is as willing as the soul... :)

Acoustics aside, which should hopefully resonate like the casaba, I adamantly support the mirrored num-pad. I'm impartial to QMK, given I've never coded for a keyboard. . . :-[

Otherwise, I'm not really sure what input to offer. . .

This is sacred work, brother, SACRED!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: floristfran on Wed, 14 March 2018, 13:04:42
the absolute madman, still excited to get my southpaw 65+, will maybe get in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Wed, 14 March 2018, 13:18:54
Great now I have to figure out if I'm going to be putting navies on this or my CA66 :p
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: lemur on Fri, 16 March 2018, 16:12:24
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

I'd much prefer TMK over QMK.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Fri, 16 March 2018, 19:34:55
I'm down for this, I like it. I know I'm in the minority, but please no QMK.

I'd much prefer TMK over QMK.

Why so?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: Theswetiyeti on Fri, 16 March 2018, 20:25:44
 I really like the look of this I'm not left-handed but I still prefer to use my number pad with my left hand and keep my right hand on the track ball I would prefer WKL for Aesthetics but probably not a deal-breaker.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: reconsiderit on Sat, 17 March 2018, 00:20:27
Alright, so a small update here.

I've talked with two factories so far and just realized that I needed to do something with the pricing structure. I'm about 90% sure I'll be able to offer this kit right around the $400 mark, but things like the brass weight and brass plate will be an added cost. Base price will most likely include a stainless steel plate with PVD or a nicer finish and an aluminum inset for the weight.

Regarding WK and WKL, I would like to be able to offer both, but pricing is highly dependent on MOQ. Right now, the interest check is only live on GH and I have around 35 submissions. Best case would be 50 or more total units. Once I have the proto in hand I'll do an IC on reddit and soforth.

Looking at the quotes though, removing the weight can easily bring the kit down to the $300-350 mark. This is certainly something I'm considering as the board by itself is pretty big and hefty, even without the weight. Autodesk says 3.7kg as it stands right now for the case, plate, and weight in brass. I know that some people want the brass weight and might be willing to spend that "endgame price" so if pricing from other factories look the same as they do now, I might offer the case without a weight at the 300-350 mark and then a special edition of sorts with nicer finishes (something like a hard ano or MAO), a brass weight and a brass plate at a higher price. (450-550)

Also, just a little food for thought, but without the need for a weight, there's a possibility of doing a full acrylic bottom for underglow since I'm 100% against putting threads into the acrylic since the stuff cracks when you even slightly overtorque anything.

I'm just putting some ideas out to the community, so certainly voice your opinion so I can get an idea of what you guys want and again, I'm still discussing and waiting to hear back from a number of factories so this is just where the project stands at the moment


Edit: Also, concerning the mount, the mockup that is shown is slightly wrong and I've forgoten to add another o-ring on the other side (the side that is showing). It's basically supposed to be "ghetto gasket mount" as far as feel is concerned, but I'm thinking that you should be able to mount it both ways. Removing the washers and running it as a traditional top mount would only raise the surface by 0.5mm and shouldn't affect how the keycaps sit on the board.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: emenelopee on Sat, 17 March 2018, 00:35:51
It's great seeing you is getting plenty of interest in a left hand kb. Keep it up, I'm looking forward to the progress.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: reconsiderit on Sat, 17 March 2018, 00:54:03
Another quick update, but I just got a quote back from two more factories and prices are significantly lower. I have no idea what quality look like though, but as soon as I hear back from all the places, I'll most likely grab some samples and start from there, so this will happen soon
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sat, 17 March 2018, 00:54:12
I know that some people want the brass weight and might be willing to spend that "endgame price" so if pricing from other factories look the same as they do now, I might offer the case without a weight at the 300-350 mark and then a special edition of sorts with nicer finishes (something like a hard ano or MAO), a brass weight and a brass plate at a higher price. (450-550)
Would that "special edition" version of the board be a limited number sale or would it be as open and the cheaper version?

Edit: I'm asking because being left handed has made me incredibly exited to throw money at anything that's lefty friendly.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: reconsiderit on Sat, 17 March 2018, 00:58:13
I know that some people want the brass weight and might be willing to spend that "endgame price" so if pricing from other factories look the same as they do now, I might offer the case without a weight at the 300-350 mark and then a special edition of sorts with nicer finishes (something like a hard ano or MAO), a brass weight and a brass plate at a higher price. (450-550)
Would that "special edition" version of the board be a limited number sale or would it be as open and the cheaper version?

Planning for limited sales of that one, but it really depends on how the factories structure MOQ and pricing. They seem to be all over the place.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: ojrask on Sat, 17 March 2018, 06:11:48
I would be OK without a weight. As you said, it is already quite a hefty board so maybe it does not need one.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sat, 17 March 2018, 07:25:11
I'm down for an option without the weight. But I'd prefer not to have an acrylic bottom, don't really want underglow on a nice board like this.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 18 March 2018, 00:32:02
Just finished the final designs for the protos today. Plate will be shared between WK and WKL. I'm moving to a design that doesn't allow switchtop removability as it's a fair ammount easier for the factories to produce without mistakes and is a quite a bit more stable.

WKL
(https://i.imgur.com/kdyyNHw.png)


Winkey
(https://i.imgur.com/uHGv0G6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/u23nP56.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/QErXRkz.png)


Revised Plate
(https://i.imgur.com/Cdt1teJ.png)

Edit: If you also take a look at the stab cutouts, they're larger than normal and cut on both the top and bottom so you're able to remove the housings after everything has been soldered together in case there's a stab that was rattly or wasn't tuned to your liking.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 18 March 2018, 00:55:55
Are you still considering a plate with a mirrored numpad (ie. + and enter key on the left side of the plate) ?

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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: ojrask on Sun, 18 March 2018, 03:56:12
Need to clarify: will this support a split right shift or not? Just rechecked the key layout and it is missing.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: BillyTheMute on Sun, 18 March 2018, 09:20:27
If you're removing switch top opening from the plate, I'm out unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 18 March 2018, 16:36:08
Need to clarify: will this support a split right shift or not? Just rechecked the key layout and it is missing.

This should support split right shift. I haven't updated the layouts yet.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 18 March 2018, 16:37:14
Are you still considering a plate with a mirrored numpad (ie. + and enter key on the left side of the plate) ?

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Yep, still considering that. Will be on a different plate though.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 18 March 2018, 16:44:09
From an aesthetic perspective, I would suggest taking a close look at the spacings on the F-row which I think could do with a bit of massaging. I would add another key on the left cluster, and equalize the spacing on the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12].

Alternatively, if you want to keep the 3-key cluster on the left, you could increase the space to the righ of [esc] to equalize the gaps either side of it.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size
Post by: Shados on Sun, 18 March 2018, 18:12:02
Also, just a little food for thought, but without the need for a weight, there's a possibility of doing a full acrylic bottom for underglow since I'm 100% against putting threads into the acrylic since the stuff cracks when you even slightly overtorque anything.

FWIW: The usual approach is to just glue brass standoffs into drilled or machined holes in acrylic, if you do need to screw something into an acrylic piece.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: bmilcs on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:54:55
Dude, Recondsiderit. You're On FIRE.

My only request is that you add a Winkey Verison.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: bmilcs on Sun, 18 March 2018, 20:02:53
Also, QMK Please!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 19 March 2018, 17:39:48
From an aesthetic perspective, I would suggest taking a close look at the spacings on the F-row which I think could do with a bit of massaging. I would add another key on the left cluster, and equalize the spacing on the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12].

Alternatively, if you want to keep the 3-key cluster on the left, you could increase the space to the righ of [esc] to equalize the gaps either side of it.

I see what you're saying but I don't think the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12] portion should be changed. On a full size, this is the spacing that they *should* have. And I don't really think that the 3 keys above the numpad make it feel "unbalanced" at all.

However, I'd be in favor of reducing the keys above the numbad (from 3 to 1 or 2) in favor of adding a small/simple logo or some engraving there. Thoughts?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 19 March 2018, 18:16:45
I see what you're saying but I don't think the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12] portion should be changed. On a full size, this is the spacing that they *should* have. And I don't really think that the 3 keys above the numpad make it feel "unbalanced" at all.

However, I'd be in favor of reducing the keys above the numbad (from 3 to 1 or 2) in favor of adding a small/simple logo or some engraving there. Thoughts?

It's not the number of keys per se, I was mostly focused on the varied spacings between the blocks: currently there is seems to be 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 1, and 1.25. From a design perspective, the fewer unique cases the better, otherwise it risks looking inconsistent, regardless of the logic behind it. Increasing the space to the right of [esc] and closing up the spaces between the F-blocks could reduce the unique cases, though I haven't studied this and of course it would affect the *should have* spacing. It's a balancing act to keep precedent and a unified feel both satisfied.

EDIT: by closing I don't mean to zero - a 0.25u shift right would help the balance. However, this does break the alignment at F1 and the keys below. I would take that hit as the F-rows are an independent block and alignment doesn't read with the adjacent number row as strongly as the inconsistent spaces, but it's understandable if others wouldn't, esp. if the intent is to keep everything compact, especially if the form is compact.

EDIT2: on looking again, my first edit is not the solution as the F5-8 block would need to shift right by 0.125u and not give the universal result I thought it could. It would need to be a different fix. Or, as you say, leave it be. Alignment is a ***** in design, usually two sacred requirements are in direct opposition.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: bmilcs on Mon, 19 March 2018, 18:23:52
I disagree with the above comments. I think it's seriously perfect. Don't change a thing :D.

Only thing I personally would like to see is slightly larger gaps for ease of key location while touch typing. If I were to be nit picky.

I am beyond stoked for this project man. Like seriously. I've been waiting for the perfect TKL to arrive, and I wanted to add a numpad of some kind to the left hand side.

Feels like Christmas.

Edit: On second thought, if it's not too much of a pain, could you offer a half plate option? I've been fascinated by this since seeing it on the FR87 proto.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: bmilcs on Mon, 19 March 2018, 19:36:22
Omg. I am so excited about this. I have to post again.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 19 March 2018, 19:44:52
Omg. I am so excited about this. I have to post again.

Me too bro. Me too
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: reconsiderit on Tue, 20 March 2018, 04:24:36
I see what you're saying but I don't think the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12] portion should be changed. On a full size, this is the spacing that they *should* have. And I don't really think that the 3 keys above the numpad make it feel "unbalanced" at all.

However, I'd be in favor of reducing the keys above the numbad (from 3 to 1 or 2) in favor of adding a small/simple logo or some engraving there. Thoughts?

It's not the number of keys per se, I was mostly focused on the varied spacings between the blocks: currently there is seems to be 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 1, and 1.25. From a design perspective, the fewer unique cases the better, otherwise it risks looking inconsistent, regardless of the logic behind it. Increasing the space to the right of [esc] and closing up the spaces between the F-blocks could reduce the unique cases, though I haven't studied this and of course it would affect the *should have* spacing. It's a balancing act to keep precedent and a unified feel both satisfied.

EDIT: by closing I don't mean to zero - a 0.25u shift right would help the balance. However, this does break the alignment at F1 and the keys below. I would take that hit as the F-rows are an independent block and alignment doesn't read with the adjacent number row as strongly as the inconsistent spaces, but it's understandable if others wouldn't, esp. if the intent is to keep everything compact, especially if the form is compact.

EDIT2: on looking again, my first edit is not the solution as the F5-8 block would need to shift right by 0.125u and not give the universal result I thought it could. It would need to be a different fix. Or, as you say, leave it be. Alignment is a ***** in design, usually two sacred requirements are in direct opposition.

My initial idea here was to keep the same spacing as a traditional TKL and add have 3 keys instead of 1 above the numpad. I wasn't really sure what you would do with 1 key, but with 3 you can map macros onto them or use the firmware to configure them as NCS indicators.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 20 March 2018, 05:20:57
I see what you're saying but I don't think the [esc]-[F1-4]-[F5-8]-[F8-12] portion should be changed. On a full size, this is the spacing that they *should* have. And I don't really think that the 3 keys above the numpad make it feel "unbalanced" at all.

However, I'd be in favor of reducing the keys above the numbad (from 3 to 1 or 2) in favor of adding a small/simple logo or some engraving there. Thoughts?

It's not the number of keys per se, I was mostly focused on the varied spacings between the blocks: currently there is seems to be 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 1, and 1.25. From a design perspective, the fewer unique cases the better, otherwise it risks looking inconsistent, regardless of the logic behind it. Increasing the space to the right of [esc] and closing up the spaces between the F-blocks could reduce the unique cases, though I haven't studied this and of course it would affect the *should have* spacing. It's a balancing act to keep precedent and a unified feel both satisfied.

EDIT: by closing I don't mean to zero - a 0.25u shift right would help the balance. However, this does break the alignment at F1 and the keys below. I would take that hit as the F-rows are an independent block and alignment doesn't read with the adjacent number row as strongly as the inconsistent spaces, but it's understandable if others wouldn't, esp. if the intent is to keep everything compact, especially if the form is compact.

EDIT2: on looking again, my first edit is not the solution as the F5-8 block would need to shift right by 0.125u and not give the universal result I thought it could. It would need to be a different fix. Or, as you say, leave it be. Alignment is a ***** in design, usually two sacred requirements are in direct opposition.

My initial idea here was to keep the same spacing as a traditional TKL and add have 3 keys instead of 1 above the numpad. I wasn't really sure what you would do with 1 key, but with 3 you can map macros onto them or use the firmware to configure them as NCS indicators.

You're killing it, man. Love, love, love the design as is.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/17/18)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sat, 24 March 2018, 18:16:47
Just updated pricing and layout. I'm not sure how many units LE is going to be limited to yet, but that's to come with the rest of the details later. All the stuff below has also been updated on the top post.


Pricing
This is what the pricing structure will look like. Prices are TBD

Standard Edition - $275-325(ish)
- AL6061 top and bottom
- Standard Anodizing or raw finish
- Comes standard with Aluminum Plate in matching color
- Brass plate upgrade for $15-30ish
- Comes with aluminum plate
- no brass weight
- Not limited

Limited Edition - Starting at $400 (Probably)
- AL7075 Top and Bottom
- Hard anodization, MAO, and standard anodization finishes available.
- Brass weight
- Comes standard with brass plate
- Serialized
- Design of your choice lasered onto the weight.
- Limited to a certain number of units. Spots will be raffled off.

Layout
The layout is simmilar to that of a LZ-RV but I wanted WKL blockers so this is what I have so far. Same plates are going to be used for WK and WKL but we'll need different plates for standard and mirrored numpad.

(https://i.imgur.com/q6H3r58.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/24/18)
Post by: Rykno on Sat, 24 March 2018, 18:24:27
Any word on which version of USB?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/24/18)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sat, 24 March 2018, 18:28:25
Any word on which version of USB?

Either mini B or C. If it's USB C, I'll be including a cable of some sorts
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/24/18)
Post by: Rykno on Sat, 24 March 2018, 18:41:09
Putting my vote in for C, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/24/18)
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 26 March 2018, 04:15:11
New and revised top design. Apparently it only costs a few dollars for the factory to machine it like this so it'll be done like this. Slip fit interface so it'll align itself perfectly.

(https://i.imgur.com/QB5WWD7.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LHm8mop.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/24/18)
Post by: bmilcs on Mon, 02 April 2018, 19:01:17
Can I throw money at you now?

Violently.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/24/18)
Post by: bmilcs on Mon, 02 April 2018, 19:02:38
Could we get a live color swab? I'd love to plan way ahead.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/24/18)
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 02 April 2018, 21:53:41
Could we get a live color swab? I'd love to plan way ahead.

I'm planning to get that from the factory at the same time as when prototypes are done so I can kinda do a quality check and getting shipping all in one go.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 3/24/18)
Post by: reconsiderit on Tue, 03 April 2018, 00:25:29
I'll most likely offer a polycarb half plate for those who want it. Polycarbonate as it will give a more consistent feel across the board. The "plate-less" parts will be cut for the alphas as well as the number pad area. Some images below for you guys to get an idea.

(https://i.imgur.com/nsqgul9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/WnQquEd.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 03 April 2018, 05:49:48
I'll most likely offer a polycarb half plate for those who want it. Polycarbonate as it will give a more consistent feel across the board. The "plate-less" parts will be cut for the alphas as well as the number pad area. Some images below for you guys to get an idea.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/nsqgul9.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WnQquEd.png)


Duuude nice!

I could kiss you right now. lol.

Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: hansichen on Thu, 05 April 2018, 06:27:00
I like the idea of not having a weight, normally I'm looking at my board from the keycap side and not the bottom  ;D

What's the difference between normal black and hard-ano black?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: thokir on Thu, 05 April 2018, 12:39:31

What's the difference between normal black and hard-ano black?
Google says hard-ano feels smoother, but is thicker, harder and more sturdy than normal ano.
Though I didn't find anything regarding different looks right now.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 05 April 2018, 14:46:55

What's the difference between normal black and hard-ano black?
Google says hard-ano feels smoother, but is thicker, harder and more sturdy than normal ano.
Though I didn't find anything regarding different looks right now.

Here's a decent video that shows the difference in durability between the two.

Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: thokir on Thu, 05 April 2018, 14:50:14
Here's a decent video that shows the difference in durability between the two.

Wow, thanks!

That looks like I'll have to get one in hard-ano,  the surface looks like onehundred times better. So smooth...
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 05 April 2018, 15:53:20
Here's a decent video that shows the difference in durability between the two.

Wow, thanks!

That looks like I'll have to get one in hard-ano,  the surface looks like onehundred times better. So smooth...

That doesn't mean that these two parts were made by the same shop. But yea, I'm pretty sure it generally looks smoother like that. Someone more knowledgeable should probably correct me here.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: thokir on Thu, 05 April 2018, 15:58:34
That doesn't mean that these two parts were made by the same shop. But yea, I'm pretty sure it generally looks smoother like that. Someone more knowledgeable should probably correct me here.
While looking up the differences I read that it'd be smoother, so I guess the two in the video might be from the same company, with the single difference being hard and normal ano.

E: Why do I even always quote the previous message? Context should be quite obvious...
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 05 April 2018, 17:16:16
E: Why do I even always quote the previous message? Context should be quite obvious...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: reconsiderit on Thu, 05 April 2018, 19:02:25
Kinda wanna clear up the anodizing thing since people have been asking.

Hard anodization is only offered in grey and black because of constancy issues when its dyed different colors. I'm even concerned with grey hard anodizing since it will need to be dyed. Hard ano both builds up and penetrates into the aluminum and is why it gives different color undertones when applied to different materials. 6 series is a magnesium based aluminum alloy whereas 7 series is zinc based which is what gives it the hardness and the bronze-ish color when natural anodizing is used (the same color as seen in the video thats been linked above). Think of hard anodization as a protective coat and normal anodization (type II in this case) as a dyeing of the aluminum.

As for the sheen or brightness of the anodizing, I can't yet say. I'll have ano samples done at the same time I place the order for the prototype. The anodization and finishing is all done in house so it should be consistant and should be easier to work with in the case that we get results that are undesired.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: iHateKnives on Mon, 09 April 2018, 04:14:31
Really interested on this. I've been looking for a good full-sized keyboard so I can display all my keycaps on it. The southpaw layout is a nice touch. Makes the numpad easier to access for a left handed user like me. Now I can't decide between WKL and Full! I love them both. Looking forward to the proto  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: thokir on Mon, 09 April 2018, 04:20:34
Now I can't decide between WKL and Full!
Take wkl for the looks!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: anhthao88 on Mon, 09 April 2018, 04:47:47
Just filled out IC Form! I'd love to use this board at work. Now I just need to talk to Boss... :-X
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: iHateKnives on Mon, 09 April 2018, 06:21:51
Now I can't decide between WKL and Full!
Take wkl for the looks!

I use the Windows key for a couple of shortcuts (Windows start, run, screenshot, desktop, etc) :( I guess I could rebind the windows key to one of the 3 extra keys on top of the numpad tho!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: thokir on Mon, 09 April 2018, 06:28:54
Now I can't decide between WKL and Full!
Take wkl for the looks!

I use the Windows key for a couple of shortcuts (Windows start, run, screenshot, desktop, etc) :( I guess I could rebind the windows key to one of the 3 extra keys on top of the numpad tho!
Do you use ralt and rctl?
I'd rebind (and very likely will) rebind rctl or ralt to win, as I never use them (well sometimes ralt because it's altgr in german layout...).
There are so many keys you could remap the winkey on, you can go with the good-looking wkl :)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: reconsiderit on Wed, 11 April 2018, 04:12:40
For those that want weights, I just remembered that you could calculate weight with fusion. The SE kit comes to roughly 3.7kg with the 7075 case, brass plate and brass weight while the ST Kit comes to 2.2kg with the 6061 case and aluminum plate.


These are much heftier than I realized. Even more so when you factor in that the weight doesn't include the PCB, switches and keycaps. Shipping might be more from the factory to me so prices might be on the high end of estimates, but I haven't done any exact calculations yet. Nevertheless, you'll have a damn hefty keyboard.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: ojrask on Wed, 11 April 2018, 16:35:09
For those that want weights, I just remembered that you could calculate weight with fusion. The SE kit comes to roughly 3.7kg with the 7075 case, brass plate and brass weight while the ST Kit comes to 2.2kg with the 6061 case and aluminum plate.


These are much heftier than I realized. Even more so when you factor in that the weight doesn't include the PCB, switches and keycaps. Shipping might be more from the factory to me so prices might be on the high end of estimates, but I haven't done any exact calculations yet. Nevertheless, you'll have a damn hefty keyboard.  ;)

3.7kg... That is a reason alone to get in on this. :DDD
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: phorx on Sun, 29 April 2018, 17:16:22
Any updates on this?  Can’t wait!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 29 April 2018, 18:58:04
Any updates on this?  Can’t wait!

Proto will be made in a few weeks after I finish fulfilling southpaw65. Gotta finish that first.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 29 April 2018, 21:22:35
Any updates on this?  Can’t wait!

Proto will be made in a few weeks after I finish fulfilling southpaw65. Gotta finish that first.

Fantastic! Can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: phorx on Tue, 08 May 2018, 06:54:25
Will it be possible to add a brass weight to the standard edition?  I want the colour options of ST, with the weight of LTD if possible.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: reconsiderit on Tue, 08 May 2018, 23:30:27
Will it be possible to add a brass weight to the standard edition?  I want the colour options of ST, with the weight of LTD if possible.

Color options are the same for both variants. Both normal and premium finishes will be available, but the premium finishes have an additional price tacked onto them.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: under.pk on Wed, 09 May 2018, 02:28:03
I love the concept but I also like split spacebar layout more :/

If price is nice I may just buy it for handwiring my own layout haha
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: phorx on Wed, 09 May 2018, 05:28:21
Will it be possible to add a brass weight to the standard edition?  I want the colour options of ST, with the weight of LTD if possible.

Color options are the same for both variants. Both normal and premium finishes will be available, but the premium finishes have an additional price tacked onto them.

Sorry I thought that 7075 aluminum wasn’t easy to colour like 6061, which is why dark grey and black are offered for it.  Did I misunderstand that?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: KeLorean on Wed, 09 May 2018, 11:18:39
just noticed this. super excited to get in on a south paw. it is a great design idea.


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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: reconsiderit on Wed, 09 May 2018, 17:11:15
Will it be possible to add a brass weight to the standard edition?  I want the colour options of ST, with the weight of LTD if possible.

Color options are the same for both variants. Both normal and premium finishes will be available, but the premium finishes have an additional price tacked onto them.

Sorry I thought that 7075 aluminum wasn’t easy to colour like 6061, which is why dark grey and black are offered for it.  Did I misunderstand that?

Yeah, 7 series is more difficult to color compared to 6 and 5 series. I'll be doing color samples to determine which colors to run for which materials when I order the proto which should be very soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 4/2/18 w/ New Interest Check Form)
Post by: phorx on Wed, 09 May 2018, 18:29:04
Be sure to get a purple sample please  :D
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: reconsiderit on Tue, 29 May 2018, 14:44:32
(https://i.imgur.com/7jnQGn4.jpg)

VerySoon™
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: BLRN on Tue, 29 May 2018, 14:47:34


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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 29 May 2018, 15:57:35
Woot!! Can't wait =D
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: Corgiattackkk on Tue, 29 May 2018, 19:30:11
Just found this thread, super interested! The updates look great  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: Windeh on Wed, 30 May 2018, 12:27:30
Form submitted, can't wait for the GB to start!! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: bmilcs on Fri, 01 June 2018, 11:34:46
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/7jnQGn4.jpg)


VerySoon™

HYPETRAIN.

ALLLLLL ABBBOARDDDD
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 04 June 2018, 06:51:28
Some more photos here below. It's being shipped here right now and should arrive by the end of the week so expect some proper photos sometime around then. I'll also be bringing it to the bay area keebs and coffee this Sunday if anyone wants to see it in person.

(https://i.imgur.com/Topnqgw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/D6iXPXl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Rf92pn0.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: JJ on Thu, 07 June 2018, 04:59:03
this look really najs, dank board
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: lumpofunworth on Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:29:44
Never tried a left handed numpad, but I like the idea! Looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: ShrimplyPibbles69 on Thu, 07 June 2018, 09:10:43
I’ve always had keyboards that were less than full size and just had a custom bump as on the left hand side. Now this is something I could get behind :)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 5/29/18 w/ Proto)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 10 June 2018, 23:22:58
Got the proto in on Friday but didn't have time to post pics. Brought it to the keebs and coffee today and it seemed pretty well received

(https://i.imgur.com/ZxSFmsy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hp2Hmgp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6hy2kqf.jpg)

Quality-wise, it's 99% there. The weight is a little bowed because of how I designed it so I'll be fixing that and doing a second proto. The other thing are the grain marks on the bottom side. After discussing things with the factory, they'll go ahead and chuck the ones that have that issue durring production.

-  The anodization is spot on. No dark spots or imperfections apart from the alu grain on the bottom.
-  The plate fits absolutely fantastic. Zero wobble or play in Gateron, Cherry MX, and Zealios. Minimal wiggle in Kailh speeds and boxes.
-  Seam between the top and bottom is nearly perfect. There is an inconsistency in the seam near where the alignment nubs are so I might get rid of those since it's whats causing the gap near the corners as the face is being machined with two tools with those there. 
-  Only issue now is the weight. I somehow managed to design an acute angle into the weight recess which didn't work out to well. Additionally, the weight bows slightly because of the length so I've done a small redesign and now it should fit perfectly. I also made the weight a little bigger so it weighs more. Should result in too much, if any, of a price increase.



(https://i.imgur.com/HW4zKCg.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/d9yOwrV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HkcOaxR.png)



Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: MegalaDump on Mon, 11 June 2018, 01:40:29
Prototype looks absolutely stunning! Really excited for the group buy :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: p_blaze on Mon, 11 June 2018, 02:04:09
Looks amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Tue, 12 June 2018, 01:24:11
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.

(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: portbaron on Tue, 12 June 2018, 02:20:03
Well I'm in. The problem with full sized is the mouse is way off to the side. This pretty much solves that without losing the numpad or using nonstandard key sizes.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 12 June 2018, 09:35:50
Can I throw money at you yet?

Seriously, the design is even sexier in prototype form.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: MegalaDump on Tue, 12 June 2018, 16:50:20
Went from wanting this to needing this lol Love Dolch on this thing :)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 12 June 2018, 21:36:59
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)


Damn that looks good!

Is that the final place for the usb port? I'd've preferred it on the left or in the center =/
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: Artist on Wed, 13 June 2018, 01:23:53
Alright, been looking for st like this for a long time! I'm not a southpaw but my righthand need to do too much works at the moments with the usual layout!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: Windeh on Wed, 13 June 2018, 03:43:53
Sad to see that the Hard Anodizing in Dark Grey will not be an option... If we are fine with the possible inconsistent shades, can we still go for the option? I'm really hoping for the Titanium Grey hue...
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: Corgiattackkk on Wed, 13 June 2018, 07:39:30
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)


That looks seriously amazing! Great job and thanks for keeping us updated.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: Doonagoowin on Wed, 13 June 2018, 07:46:41
In for updates. Great looking board!
I should be getting my V1 bent plate some time this week can't wait for that and this full size.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: rioc on Wed, 20 June 2018, 04:45:03
following IC, might become my new board at work sometime ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: QiuFang on Thu, 21 June 2018, 10:39:03
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)


If numpad is on the right side ...  perfect!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 21 June 2018, 12:23:17
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)


If numpad is on the right side ...  perfect!

omg my sides
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: happycamper87 on Thu, 21 June 2018, 13:59:01
Alright. Threw some switches and keycaps onto the plate to check fit and everything looks about right. Will adjust some tolerances in the second proto so there's less of a chance of things not working out. Looks pretty nice with the dolch set on there. Just wished that this thing already worked.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CfIm5Wb.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9WkxdoR.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UquaUJp.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/yuUdZYq.jpg)


If numpad is on the right side ...  perfect!


Bruh
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: bball2 on Thu, 21 June 2018, 14:28:05
If numpad is on the right side ...  perfect!

Lol
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: azzurrini on Tue, 03 July 2018, 20:47:51
For Special Edition, I want to carve something on Top or Weight  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Tue, 03 July 2018, 22:21:18
I'll see if I can offer engraving at a reasonable price, but its unlikely. I can most certainly offer custom laser though for the weight.


Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Tue, 03 July 2018, 22:23:24
A little bit of an update before we get going. I've changed the format and kinda have a relatively set date for the buy. It'll be FCFS limited to 75 units overall starting mid August. I'll announce the exact date on the Reddit IC later tonight or tomorrow. I know that there is a considerable amount more interest, but keeping it lower keeps me from having a perpetual headache. I'll also be hosting the GB for Lunar at the same time so I would optimally like to limit the number of units sold. If there is enough interest, again, I'll host another round.

As far as format is concerned, you can choose your color/finish, if you want a weight, and your plate configuration. The final options look like this... Actually, colors haven't been finalized yet.

Colors+Finishes  -  Cyan, purple, and red will only be available with in the 6-series alloy.
- Black
- Grey
- Silver
- Cyan
- Purple
- Red
- Hard Anodized Black
- Raw (Without any finishing)

Plates  -  Aluminum plates will be machined out of 6 series aluminum.
- Sandblasted Brass full plate, standard numpad
- Sandblasted Brass full plate, mirrored numpad
- Anodized Aluminum full plate, standard numpad
- Anodized Aluminum full plate, mirrored numpad
- Anodized Aluminum half plate, standard numpad
- Anodized Aluminum half plate, mirrored numpad
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 03 July 2018, 22:46:32
Whooo! Excited for this to finally be gong to gb soon!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: att1cus on Wed, 04 July 2018, 10:23:12
I'll announce the exact date on the Reddit IC later tonight or tomorrow.

Sorry if I missed it, but is there a link to the Reddit IC post you mentioned?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 04 July 2018, 11:21:51
I'll announce the exact date on the Reddit IC later tonight or tomorrow.

Sorry if I missed it, but is there a link to the Reddit IC post you mentioned?

A link would be nice since I missed it too
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Wed, 04 July 2018, 16:30:02
I'll announce the exact date on the Reddit IC later tonight or tomorrow.

Sorry if I missed it, but is there a link to the Reddit IC post you mentioned?

A link would be nice since I missed it too

I got swamped with work yesterday and didn't get a chance to put it up. I'll try again today.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Thu, 05 July 2018, 17:28:33
Alright. The reddit IC post is up and running. I'm going through and finalizing things at the moment and cleaning up the top post to better reflect what the final GB post will look like.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/8we633/ic_southpaw_full_size/
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: att1cus on Thu, 05 July 2018, 17:39:55
Alright. The reddit IC post is up and running. I'm going through and finalizing things at the moment and cleaning up the top post to better reflect what the final GB post will look like.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/8we633/ic_southpaw_full_size/

Awesome update!  Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: 112227 on Thu, 05 July 2018, 18:12:55
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 18:25:30
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.

Between the numpad and main portion?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: 112227 on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:22:41
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.

Between the numpad and main portion?

Yes sir Mr. Xondat. I'm sure that board already exists, right? 
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: yqliang on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:52:57
looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sat, 07 July 2018, 04:17:33
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.

Between the numpad and main portion?

Yes sir Mr. Xondat. I'm sure that board already exists, right?

A board like that does exist iirc, but the idea here with the nav cluster on the opposite side of the numpad was that you could use the arrow keys to navigate through things like a spreadsheet or photo album and put numbers or values in simultaneously without having to keep moving your hand from one place to the other. 
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: 112227 on Sat, 07 July 2018, 07:11:24
Looks great. Would love it even more if nav cluster/arrows were on the left as well.

Between the numpad and main portion?

Yes sir Mr. Xondat. I'm sure that board already exists, right?

A board like that does exist iirc, but the idea here with the nav cluster on the opposite side of the numpad was that you could use the arrow keys to navigate through things like a spreadsheet or photo album and put numbers or values in simultaneously without having to keep moving your hand from one place to the other.

very true. That is more convenient than using the mouse.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: att1cus on Sat, 07 July 2018, 16:01:59
Any estimate on what time it will open on 7/16? I'll be on vacation and will need to arrange WiFi access to enter.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sat, 07 July 2018, 16:06:31
Any estimate on what time it will open on 7/16? I'll be on vacation and will need to arrange WiFi access to enter.

Same question here. I'll be on the other side of the world for business, so this will likely be in the middle of the night for me; need to set an alarm.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: Laughmaster on Sat, 07 July 2018, 18:10:39
Colors+Finishes  -  Cyan, purple, and red will only be available with in the 6-series alloy.
- Black
- Grey
- Silver
- Cyan
- Purple
- Red
- Hard Anodized Black
- Raw (Without any finishing)
You also included blue, green, and orange anodizing on the IC; will they be available during the GB?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 08 July 2018, 00:18:26
Colors+Finishes  -  Cyan, purple, and red will only be available with in the 6-series alloy.
- Black
- Grey
- Silver
- Cyan
- Purple
- Red
- Hard Anodized Black
- Raw (Without any finishing)
You also included blue, green, and orange anodizing on the IC; will they be available during the GB?

There's very little interest in green and orange though a pretty solid amount of interest in the blue. I'll probably order an anodization sample of the blue and offer it as a color option but the other colors aren't looking like they'll be offered in the GB
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 08 July 2018, 00:19:11
Any estimate on what time it will open on 7/16? I'll be on vacation and will need to arrange WiFi access to enter.

Same question here. I'll be on the other side of the world for business, so this will likely be in the middle of the night for me; need to set an alarm.

12:00am Monday July 16th
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: portbaron on Sun, 08 July 2018, 00:25:42
What site/where will the GB be once it's open?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 08 July 2018, 01:12:49
What site/where will the GB be once it's open?

Will be at https://switchplate.co/
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: nug on Sun, 08 July 2018, 02:56:47
12:00am Monday July 16th

I don't think I saw it posted anywhere, what time zone is this please?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 08 July 2018, 03:18:51
12:00am Monday July 16th

I don't think I saw it posted anywhere, what time zone is this please?

heh, time zone is kinda important. Somehow forgot about that

Will be 12:00am PST PDT unless something drastic happens. I'll probably be sending an email out that weekend
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: portbaron on Sun, 08 July 2018, 03:51:47
Lol I'm coming back late from Denver that night, and probably won't get home til almost 1. Hope it doesn't sell out in the first hour.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: att1cus on Sun, 08 July 2018, 12:08:05
12:00am Monday July 16th

I don't think I saw it posted anywhere, what time zone is this please?

heh, time zone is kinda important. Somehow forgot about that


Will be 12:00am PST unless something drastic happens. I'll probably be sending an email out that weekend

Thank you!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: Francisco on Sun, 08 July 2018, 12:49:03
Who is https://switchplate.co/  ?
Have they ever done a GB before?
What about Europe?
Thanks!

Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: SomePunkassKid on Sun, 08 July 2018, 13:48:47
Who is https://switchplate.co/  ?
Have they ever done a GB before?
What about Europe?
Thanks!
I believe Switchplate is OP's (reconsiderit's) storefront.
Same place that did the Southpaw 65%.

This is a small GB, so there probably won't be proxies. But it's just an assumption. You'll have to wait and see what OP says.

Sent from my Potato using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size (Updated 6/10/18. Proto in hand)
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 08 July 2018, 14:56:00
12:00am Monday July 16th

I don't think I saw it posted anywhere, what time zone is this please?

heh, time zone is kinda important. Somehow forgot about that

Will be 12:00am PST unless something drastic happens. I'll probably be sending an email out that weekend

Oh. Midnight pst isn't very nice to the timezones to the east.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 08 July 2018, 15:37:07
12:00am Monday July 16th
Oh. Midnight pst isn't very nice to the timezones to the east.

My thoughts exactly. 3am EST -- :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: Francisco on Sun, 08 July 2018, 17:01:16
It's an expensive product... so the taxes will be significantly high in Europe -  he should use a European proxy... The fact that the number of European buyers may be low really has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 08 July 2018, 17:37:57
12:00am Monday July 16th
Oh. Midnight pst isn't very nice to the timezones to the east.

My thoughts exactly. 3am EST -- :eek:

And I'll be somewhere over the Atlantic, nearing France at that time. So it'll be like 6am.

Also, we're on daylight tine, not standard. So that makes it a bit confusing. Do you actually mean pst reconsiderit?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: Corgiattackkk on Sun, 08 July 2018, 17:55:31
Rip wallet, rip sleep.  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 08 July 2018, 19:36:36
12:00am Monday July 16th
Oh. Midnight pst isn't very nice to the timezones to the east.

My thoughts exactly. 3am EST -- :eek:

And I'll be somewhere over the Atlantic, nearing France at that time. So it'll be like 6am.

Also, we're on daylight tine, not standard. So that makes it a bit confusing. Do you actually mean pst reconsiderit?

Ah yeah, I missed that too. Should be PDT as we're on daylight time atm.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 09 July 2018, 03:06:54
Who is https://switchplate.co/  ?
Have they ever done a GB before?
What about Europe?
Thanks!
I believe Switchplate is OP's (reconsiderit's) storefront.
Same place that did the Southpaw 65%.

This is a small GB, so there probably won't be proxies. But it's just an assumption. You'll have to wait and see what OP says.

Sent from my Potato using Tapatalk

Well, your assumptions are pretty much spot on. Switchplate is my storefront and there won't be proxies as I would like to check over the boards myself before they ship.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: spooknik on Tue, 10 July 2018, 02:19:04
Any speculation on how much international shipping will be? A DHL option would be really nice to have because they are far more reliable (and careful) than the standard post.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: reconsiderit on Tue, 10 July 2018, 23:51:02
Any speculation on how much international shipping will be? A DHL option would be really nice to have because they are far more reliable (and careful) than the standard post.

I'll for sure be offering DHL as a shipping option.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: eyedrop on Wed, 11 July 2018, 00:42:49
Is it possible to do local pickup to save shipping?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: reconsiderit on Wed, 11 July 2018, 02:07:48
Is it possible to do local pickup to save shipping?

Local pickup will be an option
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: Pennywise359 on Wed, 11 July 2018, 19:28:47
Oh man. It is so freaking beautiful. It will be so hard to pass on this one. I wish I could know for sure if it will re run later on.
Title: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: Overchecken8 on Sat, 14 July 2018, 20:59:46
This still dropping 12am PST? And have the final prices been set?

Edit: meant am
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: att1cus on Sat, 14 July 2018, 21:03:37
This still dropping 12pm PST? And have the final prices been set?
12AM on the 16th.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sat, 14 July 2018, 21:05:02
This still dropping 12pm PST? And have the final prices been set?
12AM on the 16th.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

Also, pdt not pst
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: Overchecken8 on Sat, 14 July 2018, 21:07:47
This still dropping 12pm PST? And have the final prices been set?
12AM on the 16th.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
Ah yeah my bad. It’s 3am EST for me.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 15 July 2018, 00:24:59
Colors are finalized. I should be getting actual pictures of the samples tomorrow and then the physical pieces during the week. For reference, 10190c is the color that is on the first proto that is pictured all the way at the top.

(https://i.imgur.com/m7QrtJm.jpg)

Edit: Silver and black aren't in that picture, but I think you can imagine what those colors look like on aluminum. 
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: Windeh on Sun, 15 July 2018, 01:20:44
Colors are finalized. I should be getting actual pictures of the samples tomorrow and then the physical pieces during the week. For reference, 10190c is the color that is on the first proto that is pictured all the way at the top.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/m7QrtJm.jpg)


Edit: Silver and black aren't in that picture, but I think you can imagine what those colors look like on aluminum.

So these are all in Pantone 10190 C? It looks pinkish-grey in the top photos & blueish-grey in the bottom.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 15 July 2018, 01:48:33
Colors are finalized. I should be getting actual pictures of the samples tomorrow and then the physical pieces during the week. For reference, 10190c is the color that is on the first proto that is pictured all the way at the top.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/m7QrtJm.jpg)


Edit: Silver and black aren't in that picture, but I think you can imagine what those colors look like on aluminum.

So these are all in Pantone 10190 C? It looks pinkish-grey in the top photos & blueish-grey in the bottom.

(Attachment Link)

I should've clarified, but the renders are NOT in 10190c. The physical one at the bottom and all the other photos of that board (like the ones in the album) are 10190c

Edit: formatting

Also, it is a pretty cold grey in person. I wouldn't say blue-grey though.

I'll upload some pictures of the colors against white paper once I receive the samples.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: SleepIsAllINeed on Sun, 15 July 2018, 17:45:00
What shipping option is recommended for Canada?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 15 July 2018, 18:00:45
Hey reconsiderit, how much will extra pcbs cost?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 15 July 2018, 18:27:14
What shipping option is recommended for Canada?

I would recommend USPS or DHL for Canada as they are decently quick and don't have any extra fees by the time the package arrives at your door.

One little heads up, but shipping rates might seem a little high. This is because I'll be packing the boards in boxes with custom foam with insurance. Keep in mind that the boards, unbuilt start at around 6lbs.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: reconsiderit on Sun, 15 July 2018, 18:27:36
Hey reconsiderit, how much will extra pcbs cost?

PCBs are 35 USD.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens July 16th
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 16 July 2018, 01:09:33
Hey reconsiderit, how much will extra pcbs cost?

PCBs are 35 USD.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: BLRN on Mon, 16 July 2018, 02:06:05
Order placed. Let the waiting game commence!
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: att1cus on Mon, 16 July 2018, 02:06:39
Aaand ordered! Super excited!

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: rioc on Mon, 16 July 2018, 02:26:19
aw man... I hope this GB is running long enough for me to hop on in late August... probs not, but one can still hope ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 16 July 2018, 02:37:51
Yay! Ordered!

aw man... I hope this GB is running long enough for me to hop on in late August... probs not, but one can still hope ;)

Might be sold out by then. I forget how many units it's limited to.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: BLRN on Mon, 16 July 2018, 02:50:20




Might be sold out by then. I forget how many units it's limited to.

65 iirc.

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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: spooknik on Mon, 16 July 2018, 02:51:09
Just ordered! Can't wait for this one  :D
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: rioc on Mon, 16 July 2018, 03:14:50




Might be sold out by then. I forget how many units it's limited to.

65 iirc.

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ah, it's got max unit number, not moq... ok, rip
maybe R2 sometime
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: att1cus on Mon, 16 July 2018, 08:30:37
Hey reconsiderit: if I forgot to add laser engraving, can I do it after I placed my main order?

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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: Windeh on Mon, 16 July 2018, 08:34:07
Has the acrylic half plate option been taken out? I could not select it...
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 16 July 2018, 08:56:25
Where did you guy order from? I was up last night looking at his website and it wasn't on there.

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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: att1cus on Mon, 16 July 2018, 09:18:41
Where did you guy order from? I was up last night looking at his website and it wasn't on there.

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https://switchplate.co/collections/southpaw-full-size-group-buy?utm_source=Southpaw+FS+Interest+List&utm_campaign=57879e6d63-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_07_15_05_13&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_581ab0affc-57879e6d63-86706067&mc_cid=57879e6d63&mc_eid=c4c0698fc5

Sorry for ugly link

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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 16 July 2018, 12:04:29
I don't know how you're able to get that link since I try to navigate from the home page and couldn't find anything about the GB after 12:00am.

But thanks, I placed an order.  I guess I make it if it is available to order?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 16 July 2018, 14:39:46




Might be sold out by then. I forget how many units it's limited to.

65 iirc.

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ah, it's got max unit number, not moq... ok, rip
maybe R2 sometime

I have around 35 spots left, so not sure how fast those will fill up but you should have some time if you're interested in one.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 16 July 2018, 14:42:47
Hey reconsiderit: if I forgot to add laser engraving, can I do it after I placed my main order?

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Yep. Add it and put your original order number down in the comments when ordering.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB Live
Post by: x86ect on Mon, 16 July 2018, 14:46:08
It says half plates aren't available anymore... are they all sold out already?
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB opens tonight at 12:00am PDT
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 16 July 2018, 14:46:38
Has the acrylic half plate option been taken out? I could not select it...

The acrylic halfplate has been taken out because of how fragile it is. The acrylic is only 1.5mm acrylic and the halfplate has a lack of supporting material between the points where force is applied and where the plate mounts to. I've opted to make it a full plate which should be a slightly different feel. More consistent across the whole board. If you're still interested in a half plate, then the aluminum one is still an option.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB Live
Post by: reconsiderit on Mon, 16 July 2018, 14:47:38
It says half plates aren't available anymore... are they all sold out already?

Half plates are only available in the aluminum options, but no, there should be plenty left.
Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB Live
Post by: att1cus on Mon, 16 July 2018, 14:50:16
Hey reconsiderit: if I forgot to add laser engraving, can I do it after I placed my main order?

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Yep. Add it and put your original order number down in the comments when ordering.
Thanks sir!

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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB Live
Post by: att1cus on Mon, 16 July 2018, 14:58:30
Hey reconsiderit: if I forgot to add laser engraving, can I do it after I placed my main order?

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Yep. Add it and put your original order number down in the comments when ordering.
For engraving, will the engraved pattern be black? Or will it all be the brass color? Sorry, just deciding on a pattern.

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Title: Re: [IC] Southpaw Full Size -- GB Live
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 16 July 2018, 15:09:45
Since the interest check phase is over and the group buy is now live, this thread is being locked.