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Title: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 31 May 2018, 12:54:45
(https://i.imgur.com/DpIUdtr.png)

Don't forget to check out the project page for more detailed info about the set:

Click Here To Visit The Project Page (https://zambumon.com/jamon)




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> JAMÓN [χaˈmon] noun
> 1. A type of cured ham produced in Spain.
> 2. A custom keycap set designed by Zambumon. Made in Germany by GMK.

Technical Specs

* Cherry profile
* Thick doubleshot ABS keycaps
* Compatible with Cherry, Gateron, Kailh, and any MX switches
* Made in Germany by GMK

Proposed kits

(https://i.imgur.com/17WRDxI.png)

Core
Jamón is built around its Core kit, which is the starting point for everyone. With just 116 keys, it provides coverage for most keyboards ranging from 60% to TKL form factors, including those with a WKL bottom row, split backspace, or stepped caps lock.
(https://i.imgur.com/uW3YgxP.png)


Numpad
The numpad extension kits adds layout support for 1800, 96-key, and full-sized keyboards. An accent Enter key and extra compatibility keys have been included.
(https://i.imgur.com/BEbWt4D.png)


UK ISO
A small extension kit that adds UK layout support for international layouts. The kit comes with two ISO Enter accent keys, and an extra R1 1.00U `¬ key for color symmetry purposes.
(https://i.imgur.com/1CmrgHt.png)


Forties & Split
The Forties & Split kit was designed with two purposes. The first one is to provide layout support for ortholinear and other 40% keyboards, such as Planck, Vortex Core, or Percebe.
The second one is to add all the necessary keys, including a second B that many of them use, for ergonomic and split keyboards.
(https://i.imgur.com/9jXdEhD.png)


Spacebars
The spacebar kit provides a set of accent 2.00U, 2.25U, 2.75U, 6.25U and 7.00U spacebars. Additionally, it extends Jamón’s layout compatibility by including two 6.00U spacebars (one with a center stem and another with an off-center one) so you could cover an Uniqey C70, and Cherry G80-1800 boards.
(https://i.imgur.com/H7OSYR3.png)


Jamonelties
A novelty kit with a set of accent arrows, Esc, and Enter keys, a R3 Ñ with ANSI sublegends, and two Jamón related custom keycaps. The kit also comes with four F-Row bacon strips, eggs, and bottom row bacon modifiers.
(https://i.imgur.com/SamgBl3.png)


Pata Negra
Pata Negra is a term commonly used to refer to high quality cured ham from black Iberian pigs. This novelty kit offers an alternative set of dark accent keys and three novelties (acorn, pig, and jamón).
(https://i.imgur.com/YH2zbQ7.png)


Eñe Survival Kit
A set of 25 doubleshot Ñ keys, from R1 to R4, scooped key included, so you’ll never run out of them.
(https://i.imgur.com/l4gwe81.png)


Keyboard Gallery

To keep this post concise, I've trimmed the gallery to just a fraction of all the images available at the project page. **For more layout examples, and novelty renders, check out the project page. (https://zambumon.com/jamon)

(https://i.imgur.com/DpIUdtr.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Am7ynw0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5m6IKHZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eNsK4XT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nGOuTtf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YOR3Zal.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8yigtXX.jpg)



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Links of interest
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: soupymeatballs on Thu, 31 May 2018, 12:58:57
Finally! The April fools joke is here! Thanks Zambumon  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: romevi on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:01:11
At first I thought it meant something else in another language, because surely someone wouldn't call a keyset "Ham."

Alas, here we are.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:01:30
The joke starts to become reality. I’m not normally a “red guy” but I can really get behind these.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:07:29
At first I thought it meant something else in another language, because surely someone wouldn't call a keyset "Ham."

Alas, here we are.
“Ham” he calls it.

Jamón is not just simple ham!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:11:04
At first I thought it meant something else in another language, because surely someone wouldn't call a keyset "Ham."

Alas, here we are.

GMK Coffee, Chocolatier, Mint Chocolate. Keyboards & food is always a good combination.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:15:57
Convex 1.25 2.25 2.75.

Ples.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: romevi on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:17:47
At first I thought it meant something else in another language, because surely someone wouldn't call a keyset "Ham."

Alas, here we are.
“Ham” he calls it.

Jamón is not just simple ham!

Oh, I know. But when my family says to get "jamon" it usually just means the only kind of ham we buy.  :rolleyes:

There's no other ham we eat as regularly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:19:51
Convex 1.25 2.25 2.75.

Ples.

Since this set won't reach the GB stage soon, that might be a possibility  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:20:49
At first I thought it meant something else in another language, because surely someone wouldn't call a keyset "Ham."

Alas, here we are.
“Ham” he calls it.

Jamón is not just simple ham!

Oh, I know. But when my family says to get "jamon" it usually just means the only kind of ham we buy.  :rolleyes:

There's no other ham we eat as regularly.
Just being cheeky bud
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: giangpn on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:22:47
hungry, in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:24:00
Barred numpad5 pls, jostles my johnnies when homing keys don't match.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:26:09
One thing I’ve noticed in GMK renders lately is that most people will render the R2 1.5u backspace key as

Backspace

Instead of

Back
Space

like the GMK mold. It’s a small difference but just slightly inaccurate.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:34:00
I am actually very, very interested in this set.

My suggestion as a native Spanish speaker:

- Add Ñ as a Row 3 key and : ; front legends as a key to the base or novelty kit. It's actually a usable key for those who type in Spanish.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:37:32
One thing I’ve noticed in GMK renders lately is that most people will render the R2 1.5u backspace key as

Backspace

Instead of

Back
Space

like the GMK mold. It’s a small difference but just slightly inaccurate.

GMK has both molds.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: romevi on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:44:14
At first I thought it meant something else in another language, because surely someone wouldn't call a keyset "Ham."

Alas, here we are.
“Ham” he calls it.

Jamón is not just simple ham!

Oh, I know. But when my family says to get "jamon" it usually just means the only kind of ham we buy.  :rolleyes:

There's no other ham we eat as regularly.
Just being cheeky bud

Oh, I know.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: kmba on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:46:06
Can you list all the color codes. Appear to be stock gmk, but ya never know.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 31 May 2018, 13:46:49
I am actually very, very interested in this set.

My suggestion as a native Spanish speaker:

- Add Ñ as a Row 3 key and : ; front legends as a key to the base or novelty kit. It's actually a usable key for those who type in Spanish.

There's a kit composed by 20 Ñ (including R3), which is a small reference to the joke that started it all (https://www.instagram.com/p/BhCix6Gjw7b/?taken-by=zambumon).

I'm not a huge fan of pad printing, but I'll consider adding the :; front print.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 31 May 2018, 14:17:53
One thing I’ve noticed in GMK renders lately is that most people will render the R2 1.5u backspace key as

Backspace

Instead of

Back
Space

like the GMK mold. It’s a small difference but just slightly inaccurate.

GMK has both molds.
That’s good to hear. I figured it was a figment issue. The two-line backspace has looked a bit inconsistent in all text mods. Not that this set has all text mods though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 31 May 2018, 14:21:25
Can you list all the color codes. Appear to be stock gmk, but ya never know.

It's still a little bit early to lock the colors, but here are the ones I'm working with:

Alphas: R01
Modifiers: RAL 030-40-60
Accents/White: RAL 90-90-10
Drak Gary: N9


Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Dead Encryption on Thu, 31 May 2018, 14:32:44
Give me this GOD TIER SET!  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: 1Weeb on Thu, 31 May 2018, 14:40:16
This looks nice, I like red but I already have Burgundy so not sure if I want this :thinking:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: gnunin on Thu, 31 May 2018, 15:08:26
My body is ready!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Azou on Thu, 31 May 2018, 16:39:56
I just love it. It seems to go so well with a silver or white case
Is there any plans on having "micons" and "Kobe" alternatives sets ?

Let's hope I won't think of ham each time I'll look at this set but it clearly cant be named otherwise it's weirdly greasy-classy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 31 May 2018, 16:51:23
I just love it. It seems to go so well with a silver or white case
Is there any plans on having "micons" and "Kobe" alternatives sets ?

No chances of having those two kits added, it just makes things difficult.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Darknight00z on Thu, 31 May 2018, 16:54:16
Are these custom colors, I am hoping for the white accents to be CP.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: ChrisSwires on Thu, 31 May 2018, 16:58:24
In partially for a Jamón with Jamón photoshoot.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: The_judge_168 on Thu, 31 May 2018, 17:16:16
Love the colors!. I would prefer a darker ESC / Enter, maybe an ibérico addition with the novelties?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 31 May 2018, 17:19:47
Are these custom colors, I am hoping for the white accents to be CP.

Alphas: R01
Modifiers: RAL 030-40-60
Accents/White: RAL 90-90-10
Drak Gary: N9
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 31 May 2018, 17:21:23
In partially for a Jamón with Jamón photoshoot.

 :p

Love the colors!. I would prefer a darker ESC / Enter, maybe an ibérico addition with the novelties?

Definitely some of the novelties are black, as there's jamón ibérico "pata negra".
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: The_judge_168 on Thu, 31 May 2018, 18:36:47
In partially for a Jamón with Jamón photoshoot.

 :p

Love the colors!. I would prefer a darker ESC / Enter, maybe an ibérico addition with the novelties?

Definitely some of the novelties are black, as there's jamón ibérico "pata negra".

Ah ok, excited to see the novelties then!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Wetherbee on Thu, 31 May 2018, 20:17:28

Please include Ñ modifiers, not just alphas.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: soupymeatballs on Thu, 31 May 2018, 21:15:33

Please include Ñ modifiers, not just alphas.

+1 on this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Thu, 31 May 2018, 22:09:22

Please include Ñ modifiers, not just alphas.

+1 on this
+ 2. I literally just want an Ñ set. Nothing else.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: goodman247 on Thu, 31 May 2018, 23:13:22

Please include Ñ modifiers, not just alphas.

+1 on this
+ 2. I literally just want an Ñ set. Nothing else.
+3, exactly what I'm looking for!! Also, the different shades of red looks great!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: blighty on Fri, 01 June 2018, 04:56:59
Please put the split spacebars in the spacebar kit, or the main kit, since the 40s kit will not make MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: ninjacore on Fri, 01 June 2018, 05:50:59
Would love to see some of the geometries from Serika make their way into the novelties for this set.  Also, were icon mods considered?

Definitely in, regardless.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 01 June 2018, 06:10:42
Please put the split spacebars in the spacebar kit, or the main kit, since the 40s kit will not make MOQ.

If it is on MD, there is a high chance that everything will be made even if MOQ is not met.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Mearaz on Fri, 01 June 2018, 08:35:22
Is it possible to add in split space bar with Alpha colors in the spacebar kit? I don't really want to get the 40s kit just for 2.25 and 2.75 keys.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: blighty on Fri, 01 June 2018, 09:37:06
Is it possible to add in split space bar with Alpha colors in the spacebar kit? I don't really want to get the 40s kit just for 2.25 and 2.75 keys.

That's what I had to do with serika.  Even if the kit will most likely be made, it still seems like a cash grab putting the alpha-colored split space bars in the 40. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Mearaz on Fri, 01 June 2018, 09:48:30
Is it possible to add in split space bar with Alpha colors in the spacebar kit? I don't really want to get the 40s kit just for 2.25 and 2.75 keys.

That's what I had to do with serika.  Even if the kit will most likely be made, it still seems like a cash grab putting the alpha-colored split space bars in the 40. 


Yea that was one of the reason i didn't get into Serika, but he did add them in Nautilus and i don't see why it can't be added here.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 June 2018, 11:25:40
(https://i.imgur.com/ZKkzO2S.png)

Just some notes based on the comments I've read across multiple discussion channels:


International kit
For now, I've chosen not to offer it and unless and overwhelming amount of people are really interested on this set. The truth is that the international kit has only reached 100 Units twice (Nautilus and Laser. Carbon would have probably reached it too had the kit being offered at the same time as the main drop). Yes, other sets had an international kit get into production but those didn't reach the MOQ.
This doesn't mean that I don't care about the International community, or that I'm not considering the kit but I chose not to add a render because taking it down later if there's not enough interest ends up with a thread full of complains about how it is a shame that the International kit was taken down and a couple "I'd even buy a couple sets to help reach the MOQ"
The same could be applied to Dvorak & Colemak.


Eñe kit
This kit was teased as a joke on April Fools, and it is meant to replace all the letters with just Ñ. Please keep that in mind, because as the kit doesn't provide any extra coverage. So in this situation, the smaller the kit the better, as more people will be keen on getting one as a silly purchase. Having a kit of just 20 or 25 keys is way more attractive, since it is large enough to cover a macropad or an external numpad, and with two of them you can cover the 60% alphas or even a Planck! Yes, having a large kit would probably cost slightly less than getting two of these kits, but otherwise people wouldn't get it. By having a small kit you can get more people to get the kit, and it would make things much easier if we think not only about reaching 100 units, but potential higher tiers.
In order to accomodate scooped keycaps, cover all the 1.00U alphanumerics with Ñ, or even allow to fit a Planck (yes, I'm aware that the profile on a planck is usually 2-3-4-4, but I'm not going to keep adding more and more keycaps to this silly kit) with two kits,  I'm adding 4 more keys to this kit: 1 1.00U, R2 1.00, R3 Scooped, R4 1.00.
As these keycaps are meant to substitute the default alphas, and to make production easier, these keycaps will only be made with the alphas color.


Icon mods/[insert language] sublegends
Not going to happen.


Split spacebars & the spacebar kit
As the spacebar kit is accent spacebars only and it already includes split spacebars, alpha colored split spacebars will remain in the 40s kit and I do not have any plans to change that.
Let me explain why I took that approach not only for Jamón, but also for Serika:
The reality is that most people don't use a split spacebar, and those that use it are most likely to be
a) 40% users.
b) People that have purchased Ergonomic or split keyboards such as the VE.A or TGR Alice which aren't particularly frugal boards.
c) People that have a 60% or 65% keyboard with a split spacebar.
The first group (40% users) is the most common of the three, as the 40% community started some years ago and there are many popular 40s. The second group is composed by people that wouldn't mind getting the kit, or at least I can see why they would be bothered about it.
Now, let's say that I add those alpha colored keycaps to the spacebar kit. Most of the keys would be dedicated to just 40s, with 14 "spacebars" just for them. The "I don't really want to get the X kits just for a X keycap" could be also applied by most people that use a regular 6.25U or 7.00U spacebar. They could also ask  "why doesn't the spacebar kit include alpha colored 7.00U spacebars but it includes those for split keyboards?"
The solution I propose is a middle ground, it isn't ideal for some people, (60% split spacebar keyboards that want alpha colored spacebars) but would work for most.


Ergodox kit
Although a stablished community of Ergodox users exists, the truth is that with each set that gets made, less and less Ergodox kits get sold, the only exception to this rule is if you label the kit as "Ergoplanck". This is because Planck (Contra sold 700 PCBs, Let's split builds are really popular, fairly regular Planck drops, and Rev.6 Planck PCB is coming) and Preonic users are the ones that are keeping alive this kits.
If we combine this with the fact that due to the key sizes Ergodox kits end up costing quite a lot, that flat profiles are ideal for these keyboards because there isn't a standard layout and that the last time an Ergodox GB was done over a year and a half ago, covering this board isn't ideal unless you do it with XDA, or DSA keycaps (cheaper caps, with low MOQ, and flat profile which allows more layout options).


Novelties
The novelty kit won't be huge, but it will have a fair ammount of keycaps. You can expect some black accent keycaps as a reference to Jamón Ibérico Pata Negra, a Siesta keycap, and other Spanish sterotypes. As for the Geometries, only the triangle will be available and it will most likely be a modifier R1 1.00U.


Homing keys
One of the things I don't like to do is duplicate keycaps, like homing keys. If it were for me, there would only be 2 scooped (F & J) and a dotted 5, just like the OG Cherry keycaps.


R0-5 kit
I've been considering to add a kit featuring R0 F-Row and R5 modifiers, depending on how well the poll and the interest check does, I might or might not add them. R0 and R5 keycaps are slighty more pricier than the others because of their size, but they do make a lot of sense in 96-key keyboards and look fantastic on WKL ones. So please, if you are interested on these, let me know.

(https://i.imgur.com/legwv6N.png)
I'm totally posting these two renders so this isn't just a huge wall of text.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Snappo on Fri, 01 June 2018, 11:33:04
 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: ChrisSwires on Fri, 01 June 2018, 11:35:39
Honestly I wasn't a fan of this set when I saw it evolve from joke to reality but... It's been growing on me. Great clarification on points.

I guess the dream of Jamón on gammon near jamón will soon be real.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Lormania on Fri, 01 June 2018, 12:30:21
This is an auto-buy for me
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 01 June 2018, 12:57:44
nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 June 2018, 13:38:34
Just for clarification, just because I've set up lots of renders and a project page, it doesn't mean that this set has even been picked up by Massdrop, so hold your wallets probably til 2019...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: ninjacore on Fri, 01 June 2018, 17:02:25
In other words, still buy Serika ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 June 2018, 18:56:58
Serika pre-orders closed two days ago...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: ideus on Fri, 01 June 2018, 23:18:12
Are these custom colors, I am hoping for the white accents to be CP.

Alphas: R01
Modifiers: RAL 030-40-60
Accents/White: RAL 90-90-10
Drak Gary: N9

How close is RAL 90-90-10 to CP?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 01 June 2018, 23:55:40
Are these custom colors, I am hoping for the white accents to be CP.

Alphas: R01
Modifiers: RAL 030-40-60
Accents/White: RAL 90-90-10
Drak Gary: N9

How close is RAL 90-90-10 to CP?

i think 90 90 10 is a bit creamier, but i'd have to see them side by side
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 02 June 2018, 01:51:27
R0-5 kit
I've been considering to add a kit featuring R0 F-Row and R5 modifiers, depending on how well the poll and the interest check does, I might or might not add them. R0 and R5 keycaps are slighty more pricier than the others because of their size, but they do make a lot of sense in 96-key keyboards and look fantastic on WKL ones. So please, if you are interested on these, let me know.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/legwv6N.png)

I'm totally posting these two renders so this isn't just a huge wall of text.

If there is R5 - I'm in. If there is just R0 - I'm also in. If there is R0 AND R5 - **** it, take my money NOW!  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: gnunin on Sat, 02 June 2018, 02:30:27
100% in for the R0-5 kit. Would be so sick.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: johuu on Sat, 02 June 2018, 03:37:27
Interested.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: SwordLaker on Sat, 02 June 2018, 04:48:40
Since this is still in IC, I'm obligated to bring it up early:

Having a separated 40% kit is the equivalent of signing a death order. None of the 40% kit has ever made MOQ in history, not even close (not qithout some kind of miracles). If you are separating these keys as kit, then might as well not have them at all.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: kmba on Sat, 02 June 2018, 09:27:40
MD pushes through kits alot regardless. And you're wrong. 9009 40s kit hit moq, as a separate buy even. But even so, if only a few people buy 40s kit, what does that say? Why increase the price for 99% of people by including 40s compat in base to help out the 1%?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 02 June 2018, 09:48:22
Having a separated 40% kit is the equivalent of signing a death order. None of the 40% kit has ever made MOQ in history, not even close (not qithout some kind of miracles). If you are separating these keys as kit, then might as well not have them at all.

Considering that only 2 sets have offered a 40s kit per se so far (9009 and Serika) and that only one of those run through Massdrop, I strongly disagree with you and Jamón will keep its 40s kit. I don't have 9009 numbers, but I have Serika's and having 65 kits sold out of 466 base kits it's not that bad (13% of the orders!). In fact, I regret not having done this for Nautilus.



(https://i.imgur.com/ThXXM3Q.jpg)

CP vs RAL 090-90-10.

Just for the sake of clarity: colors are definitely not final, and there are other RAL samples that I'll also test.

But here's what I can say about this one: while GMK has a good range of what we could say neutral whites, but I'm looking for a slightly beige white (as Puddsy has rightly pointed out).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 02 June 2018, 10:12:32
Having a separated 40% kit is the equivalent of signing a death order. None of the 40% kit has ever made MOQ in history, not even close (not qithout some kind of miracles). If you are separating these keys as kit, then might as well not have them at all.

Considering that only 2 sets have offered a 40s kit per se so far (9009 and Serika) and that only one of those run through Massdrop, I strongly disagree with you and Jamón will keep its 40s kit. I don't have 9009 numbers, but I have Serika's and having 65 kits sold out of 466 base kits it's not that bad (13% of the orders!). In fact, I regret not having done this for Nautilus.



Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ThXXM3Q.jpg)


CP vs RAL 090-90-10.

Just for the sake of clarity: colors are definitely not final, and there are other RAL samples that I'll also test.

But here's what I can say about this one: while GMK has a good range of what we could say neutral whites, but I'm looking for a slightly beige white (as Puddsy has rightly pointed out).

Maybe GMK Camping's cream color could be an option? I'm waiting for it to ship to see how it looks as fine legends as I could imagine using it for GMK Space Cadet.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: long_qt_pie on Sat, 02 June 2018, 10:25:27
Can we get some good charcuterie novelties?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 02 June 2018, 10:28:46
Having a separated 40% kit is the equivalent of signing a death order. None of the 40% kit has ever made MOQ in history, not even close (not qithout some kind of miracles). If you are separating these keys as kit, then might as well not have them at all.

Considering that only 2 sets have offered a 40s kit per se so far (9009 and Serika) and that only one of those run through Massdrop, I strongly disagree with you and Jamón will keep its 40s kit. I don't have 9009 numbers, but I have Serika's and having 65 kits sold out of 466 base kits it's not that bad (13% of the orders!). In fact, I regret not having done this for Nautilus.



Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ThXXM3Q.jpg)


CP vs RAL 090-90-10.

Just for the sake of clarity: colors are definitely not final, and there are other RAL samples that I'll also test.

But here's what I can say about this one: while GMK has a good range of what we could say neutral whites, but I'm looking for a slightly beige white (as Puddsy has rightly pointed out).

Maybe GMK Camping's cream color could be an option? I'm waiting for it to ship to see how it looks as fine legends as I could imagine using it for GMK Space Cadet.

The reference I've from SA (not GMK) Camping is that it uses WCK, which I have a color chip of. And it's definitely not the colour I'm going for. 90 90 10 is darker.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: gnunin on Sat, 02 June 2018, 13:13:45
I'd rather see you not move away from the RAL 090-90-10. To me it's the perfect "white" for this set. It even looks juicy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: blighty on Sat, 02 June 2018, 13:33:39
Having a separated 40% kit is the equivalent of signing a death order. None of the 40% kit has ever made MOQ in history, not even close (not qithout some kind of miracles). If you are separating these keys as kit, then might as well not have them at all.

Considering that only 2 sets have offered a 40s kit per se so far (9009 and Serika) and that only one of those run through Massdrop, I strongly disagree with you and Jamón will keep its 40s kit. I don't have 9009 numbers, but I have Serika's and having 65 kits sold out of 466 base kits it's not that bad (13% of the orders!). In fact, I regret not having done this for Nautilus.


Out of the 65 kits sold with Serika, how many only bought it for the alpha-colored split space keys?  I doubt I was the only person to do that.  I understand the thinking that if someone has/can afford a board that uses a split space configuration, you can afford to buy the 40s kit, but I don't really agree with it.  Then again, I really wanted the alpha-matching spacebars, and didn't care if I had to the 40s kit to do it.  I think i'm just shaking my fist at my own opulence... LOL
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sat, 02 June 2018, 16:31:55
I never knew I needed a set based on high class pork.
Those 1u enter keys in the 40s kit are really cute.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: SwordLaker on Sun, 03 June 2018, 02:38:36
Having a separated 40% kit is the equivalent of signing a death order. None of the 40% kit has ever made MOQ in history, not even close (not qithout some kind of miracles). If you are separating these keys as kit, then might as well not have them at all.

Considering that only 2 sets have offered a 40s kit per se so far (9009 and Serika) and that only one of those run through Massdrop, I strongly disagree with you and Jamón will keep its 40s kit. I don't have 9009 numbers, but I have Serika's and having 65 kits sold out of 466 base kits it's not that bad (13% of the orders!). In fact, I regret not having done this for Nautilus.



You are very out of touch.

GMK Olivia and GMK Phantom also offered 40% kit. A lot sets in IC stage are also considering this (Yellow on black being one). GMK Violet Tendencies had it integrated to its base kit (and has been the only successful delivery of 40% without begging for a miracle). 9009 and Olivia made it only because a vendor stepped in bought more than half of the MOQ.

The 40% kit of GMK Serika failed the MOQ miserably, and I'm sure you knew that better than anyone.

Nautilus had Planck compatibility merged into the Ergodox and it was the most stupid thing ever, spending $100 just for 3 keys those were short of from base kit. I'm surprised you haven't heard of any complaint about it.

Just sharing my perspective, as a 40% user. Putting it into the base kit is the only way to get what I need.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 03 June 2018, 06:15:39
Just sharing my perspective, as a 40% user. Putting it into the base kit is the only way to get what I need.

And as a non-40% user, I'd say no to 40s keys in base kit. Why should I pay more?  :))
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 03 June 2018, 06:48:20
First, adding 40s keys to the base kit might be the ideal scenario for you, but not for the majority of people interested on this set. What most people want is GMK keycaps for an affordable price, and adding even more keys to the base kit isn't going to help on that quest. Enormous compatibility = Higher prices.

This doesn't mean that I haven't considered the addition of dedicated 40% compatibility for the Core kit but I don't want to have limited compatibility (like Violent Tendencies had to do due to the size of the base kit) or add at least 20 more keys to Jamón's Core when people are already complaining about current GMK pricing, which has been rising not only because Euro stabilized but also because we keep adding more and more keys to the main kits.

Granted, if my intention wasn't running this kit on Massdrop, which has quite a notable exposure compared to other vendors, then the approach would have been completely different. First, the Core kit would have been smaller, there wouldn't be EÑE kit, and 40s would have been removed.

And yes, GMK Serika's 40s didn't reach 100 units, but that doesn't mean that the kit would work for more popular sets. The approach I'm taking is to offer an affordable Core, so more and more people get to join the GB and higher we reach higher MOQs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Pluto19 on Sun, 03 June 2018, 18:43:33
I'd love for R0 and R5 to be included. Looking forward to this happening.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: ideus on Sun, 03 June 2018, 21:27:26
The beige highlight keys may be more useful if they were standard L9. Particularly the space bar kit. Being highlights it is not really clear why you want to use a custom color for them. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 04 June 2018, 00:41:26
The expectation that a GMK base kit should cater for 40% and grid layouts is worth addressing by keyset designers.

It wasn't that long ago that GMK base sets weren't much more than 100% winkey layout plus a winkeyless bottom row (7U spacebar, 1.5U mods). Throw in an ISO Enter and short shifts to almost please those using ISO. HHKB support? GTFO you weirdo. 1800 support? Who the hell owns an 1800 layout keyboard? Keep using your stock beige set, you weirdo. /s

Have a look at something like GMK Triumph Adler:

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-5860_20150324130522_0da311feb6a423f6.png)

If Zambumon were to use that as his base kit these days, the pitchforks would come out.

Remember when GMK Hyperfuse round 1 was lauded for it's support of not only 65% but 1800 layouts? And HHKB as well? And more ISO support? Wow. BunnyLake, you're our hero.

As more custom keyboards with "non-standard" layouts were made, the demand for those layouts in base kits grew. Support for 65%, 1800 and HHKB layout increased. It made sense to add this to a base kit, as there is a lot of overlap. For example, a split right shift supports all three of these layouts. And in turn, all that support in keysets meant that it was feasible to make more "non-standard" custom keyboards that would work with those layouts.

A base kit supporting winkeyless/65%/1800/HHKB/Basic ISO is already a huge number of keys. People generally don't mind subsidizing layouts they don't plan to use, as it's reciprocated. e.g. Johnny doesn't do HHKB but he doesn't mind those few extra keys in his base kit because all those other people who do use HHKB will buy into this keyset groupbuy and make it reach MOQ (or hopefully a price break).

So adding more keys to a base set needs to be justified... that the increase in sales (more buyers because more *potential* buyers) will offset the cost of those extra keys by reaching a price break and bringing the price of the base kit on par with what it would be without those extra keys.

Why is adding 40% support now any different to how 65%/1800/HHKB support was added in the past?

The perception is that the number of 40% users are low, and nagging for 40% support is basically asking for everyone who doesn't use 40% (which is the majority) to subsidize their niche within a niche keyboards for zero benefit. The price of the set increases due to the extra keys, but it's not offset by more sales, it doesn't reach a price break, and we're all left grumbling about the high price of the base set.

There's also the perception that 40%s are a bit of a novelty. Giving up an F-row is one thing, but a whole number row as well? You're all crazy! /s

Plus also, in the past, 40% users made do with caps in the wrong profile or with wrong legend. Expecting blank "shift" keys and row 2 Esc keys is expecting "perfect" coverage. There's a sense of entitlement that the keyset has to match in profile and legend.

If I'm totally wrong and there are thousands of 40% users out there all wanting GMK keysets, then they can show their numbers by buying a "40% kit" when offered, even if they only need a few keys from that kit, because that's the equivalent of what everyone else is doing when they buy a base kit and only use the 60% keys - subsidizing the other people who use different layouts to themselves. They can pay that premium for perfect coverage with profile and legend, instead of just using whatever cap fits that space, which IIRC is how those layouts were designed in the first place, designed to use the keys in existing keysets, not future keysets with perfect coverage for profile and legend.

I know it sucks. Sometimes for lulz, I see how many kits of an SA keyset I need to buy to cover my winkeyless 65% with split backspace and row 3 control, LMFAO and then close the tab. I like buying a GMK base set that covers what I use and plan to use in the future (yes, I stick to 60% and above).


But seriously, you can't expect a GMK base set to keep increasing in size to accommodate new layouts, new keyboards... it's got to stop somewhere, and IMHO the time to stop is now.


This rant was brought to you by the letter Ñ
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 05 June 2018, 14:43:34
there is no standard for 40% support like there is for HHKB, 1800, and 65%

when there is, i'll be alright with it being added to base kits

it's the same reason a lot of sets don't include a full NORDE kit in the base
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 06 June 2018, 12:40:10
RAL 90 90 10  :)) (white accents & legends)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1746/40813359260_ccfe6ca05b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25bx8MW)Serika's Final Color Palette (https://flic.kr/p/25bx8MW) by Zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Acereconkeys on Wed, 06 June 2018, 15:54:24
there is no standard for 40% support like there is for HHKB, 1800, and 65%

when there is, i'll be alright with it being added to base kits

it's the same reason a lot of sets don't include a full NORDE kit in the base

I agree with this. Though it's important to also consider that part of the reason there's no standard for cap sizes for 40%s is because there's not been very many good keycap sets that offer any potential compatibility so designers have gotten creative with allowing for rows to be offset enabling use of normal base kits.

Another point I think is important here is that offering perfect legend/aesthetic fits on 40% kit on base kit may be too much to expect but I think it'd be really awesome to at least have the potential for the right profile.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: zap2oz on Wed, 06 June 2018, 22:14:47
Excited to see the novelties that you end up choosing!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: 1Weeb on Wed, 06 June 2018, 22:17:27
any chance of having orange accents instead of white? lol
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: aya3154 on Wed, 06 June 2018, 22:19:49
RAL 90 90 10  :)) (white accents & legends)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1746/40813359260_ccfe6ca05b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25bx8MW)Serika's Final Color Palette (https://flic.kr/p/25bx8MW) by Zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)

Juicy colors :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Lndefinite on Wed, 06 June 2018, 22:27:56
any chance of having orange accents instead of white? lol

But I don't want orange ham :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: wikkiwikki420 on Wed, 06 June 2018, 23:15:29
I am going to say HECK YEAH probably my favorite I've seen since samurai.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: godlikekitten on Wed, 06 June 2018, 23:19:41
if there isn't a ham novelty I'm reporting this thread
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 07 June 2018, 00:57:29
if there isn't a ham novelty I'm reporting this thread

don't make more work for the mods
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:39:21
any chance of having orange accents instead of white? lol

None, I don't have any plans to add any extra colors.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: kristmascane on Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:40:40
ily zambu
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: base on Thu, 07 June 2018, 09:47:18
None, I don't have any plans to add any extra colors.

 :thumb: She's already perfect.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: forstsiven on Thu, 07 June 2018, 13:06:45

And yes, GMK Serika's 40s didn't reach 100 units, but that doesn't mean that the kit would work for more popular sets. The approach I'm taking is to offer an affordable Core, so more and more people get to join the GB and higher we reach higher MOQs.

This is highly appreciated. I know everyone wants to have their ideal, niche kit but it really makes something that's already a luxury purchase even harder to justify financially.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Bits on Thu, 07 June 2018, 13:12:45
Already loving the colors and the ene set! Can't wait to see what novelties are added!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: MrTq on Thu, 07 June 2018, 22:23:35
I love red color. I'm in  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: mousetrap00 on Fri, 08 June 2018, 01:57:56
This looks nice. Food themed keyset by zambumon is always awesome. Gmk chocolatier? Lol
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 08 June 2018, 09:47:59
This looks nice. Food themed keyset by zambumon is always awesome. Gmk chocolatier? Lol

That won't happen soon, my #1 priority is Jamón.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: nxtruong on Fri, 08 June 2018, 10:10:29
Interested. Love the colorway!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: mousetrap00 on Sat, 09 June 2018, 17:57:14
This looks nice. Food themed keyset by zambumon is always awesome. Gmk chocolatier? Lol

That won't happen soon, my #1 priority is Jamón.
If it happens then im in. Both jamon and chocolatier would fit my red keyboard
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 26 June 2018, 18:58:12
This looks nice. Food themed keyset by zambumon is always awesome. Gmk chocolatier? Lol

That won't happen soon, my #1 priority is Jamón.
If it happens then im in. Both jamon and chocolatier would fit my red keyboard

 ;D

(https://i.redd.it/p0vp1ykage611.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: gnunin on Tue, 26 June 2018, 23:55:26
 :eek: :-* :-* :-*

First Serika, then Jamon - The Pinnacle of Keyset Development & now Chocolatier. Man, you on a roll. Insta-buy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Drclick on Wed, 27 June 2018, 03:48:30
(https://craycopy.com/i/https://i.imgur.com/9mczH7d.jpg)
(https://craycopy.com/i/https://i.imgur.com/1CdWrYQ.jpg)

some pic from kbdlab.
more here (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=5306148&mid=board_Lsno50)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 27 June 2018, 10:47:56
Great imitation. Totally in for this set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: dimo on Wed, 27 June 2018, 11:59:51
Show Image
(https://craycopy.com/i/https://i.imgur.com/9mczH7d.jpg)

Show Image
(https://craycopy.com/i/https://i.imgur.com/1CdWrYQ.jpg)


some pic from kbdlab.
more here (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=5306148&mid=board_Lsno50)

Almost a perfect match other than small changes. Great example though
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: KorbenDallas on Sat, 30 June 2018, 15:28:52
Need this in my life. Unfortunately had to miss out on Red Samurai, but this would be a great first red set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Velvet_Crowe on Sun, 01 July 2018, 11:51:58
I really like the white accents. I think this set would look amazing on the velvet singa
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: eyedrop on Sun, 01 July 2018, 14:56:07
I really like the white accents. I think this set would look amazing on the velvet singa
Your username checks out.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: kimwonsik on Wed, 04 July 2018, 03:40:27
I'm very excited.  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: mousetrap00 on Sun, 08 July 2018, 07:20:47
Lets get these 2 up for gb. Wooohoooo!! :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: ninjacore on Sun, 08 July 2018, 19:06:47
*hopes* Jamon is happening before Chocolatier, right?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 08 July 2018, 19:17:11
*hopes* Jamon is happening before Chocolatier, right?

Not even close. Jamón is 2019, minimum, and if we are lucky.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: eyedrop on Sun, 08 July 2018, 20:49:59
*hopes* Jamon is happening before Chocolatier, right?

Not even close. Jamón is 2019, minimum, and if we are lucky.

As long as it is happening, I am ok.  Good things comes to those who wait.  I just switch my singa order to velvet red for this.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Velvet_Crowe on Sun, 08 July 2018, 21:42:44
White alphas anyone?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sun, 08 July 2018, 23:27:17
White alphas anyone?
Maybe for GMK Lardo
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 09 July 2018, 09:00:19
White alphas anyone?

I think that was already addressed. I don't have plans to add any icon kit, alphas, sublegends... Jamón's colorway is defined by two shades of red. White alphas and red mods would be another set that has little to do with the original concept.

I might update some of the kits in a similar fashion to Chocolatier, as I think that's the right approach for all GMK sets. My goal is still to make a sub $100 Core at high MOQ with great compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: constexpr on Sun, 02 September 2018, 18:51:55
Resurrecting this to say that the base kit should have R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to support popular 65% layouts.

Also, is the alphas base color going to be closer to GMK Burgundy (i.e. RO1) or GMK Red Samurai? It looks more like the latter in the renders, but I'd like to know exactly how similar (or different) it will be.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 31 October 2018, 07:29:45
Resurrecting this to say that the base kit should have R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to support popular 65% layouts.

I'm remaking most kits, and I will consider expanding the 65% compatibility if I consider that there's enough room for them.

Also, is the alphas base color going to be closer to GMK Burgundy (i.e. RO1) or GMK Red Samurai? It looks more like the latter in the renders, but I'd like to know exactly how similar (or different) it will be.


Both would work. If I'm not convinced with any of them, I'll use a custom color.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: onefivenine on Wed, 31 October 2018, 07:50:30
I'm remaking most kits, and I will consider expanding the 65% compatibility if I consider that there's enough room for them

Can you expand on this? I think the colorway is amazing as it is now, but I'm assuming that you are just changing the compatibility of the kits?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 31 October 2018, 08:02:53
The colorway won't be changed, at all and keyboard compatibility will be expanded actually. I'm just updating the kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 31 October 2018, 09:22:20
Ohh this would look so damn nice on my upcoming CA66 in red wine color. So hype!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: onefivenine on Wed, 31 October 2018, 09:24:35
The colorway won't be changed, at all and keyboard compatibility will be expanded actually. I'm just updating the kits.

Thanks for the clarification. Can't wait for this GB to start!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 31 October 2018, 09:30:42
Me neither, but there's still a lot of work to do before that.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: bdkrzy on Wed, 31 October 2018, 12:30:55
Hi Zambumon. Great set as always. I really dig the red/white theme. Just have a small question. Is it too early to reveal which set will come next after Chocolatier (Jamon, Samurai Blue or Naut Nightmare?)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 31 October 2018, 12:47:27
Hi Zambumon. Great set as always. I really dig the red/white theme. Just have a small question. Is it too early to reveal which set will come next after Chocolatier (Jamon, Samurai Blue or Naut Nightmare?)

Jamón will come in Q1 2019
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 31 October 2018, 13:21:41
Hi Zambumon. Great set as always. I really dig the red/white theme. Just have a small question. Is it too early to reveal which set will come next after Chocolatier (Jamon, Samurai Blue or Naut Nightmare?)

Jamón will come in Q1 2019

You're boss! Super hype. Any idea about vendors yet?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 31 October 2018, 15:21:42
Hi Zambumon. Great set as always. I really dig the red/white theme. Just have a small question. Is it too early to reveal which set will come next after Chocolatier (Jamon, Samurai Blue or Naut Nightmare?)

Jamón will come in Q1 2019

You're boss! Super hype. Any idea about vendors yet?

My goal is to have Massdrop as the vendor for this set and Nautilus Nightmares.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: kimwonsik on Mon, 05 November 2018, 13:51:47
Hi.
GMK Burgundy
Is the Alpha color code the same with?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 05 November 2018, 15:21:59
Hi.
GMK Burgundy
Is the Alpha color code the same with?

If I think that color fits with the mods I will use it. If I don't like it I will change it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 13 November 2018, 06:24:29
Development for GMK Jamón is back on track, I will start updating all the kits in the upcoming weeks. Ready for the novelties? :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: otanishock on Tue, 13 November 2018, 11:21:10
Development for GMK Jamón is back on track, I will start updating all the kits in the upcoming weeks. Ready for the novelties? :D
Hit me boss!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Kerasan on Tue, 13 November 2018, 12:50:11
Development for GMK Jamón is back on track, I will start updating all the kits in the upcoming weeks. Ready for the novelties? :D

im in.

KMK Labs
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 13 November 2018, 13:07:16
Development for GMK Jamón is back on track, I will start updating all the kits in the upcoming weeks. Ready for the novelties? :D
Hit me boss!

While the kits have been updated, some of the novelties are still a WIP. Since I'll have to rerender everything it will take me some time. Once everything is ready, I'll post it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 14 November 2018, 13:31:32
(https://i.imgur.com/Zat5jTc.jpg)

GMK Jamón novelties are coming.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: mrpetrov on Wed, 14 November 2018, 13:33:02
Hahah! The pig, I absolutely love it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: romevi on Wed, 14 November 2018, 13:33:23
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Zat5jTc.jpg)


GMK Jamón novelties are coming.

What a little ham.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: dario on Wed, 14 November 2018, 13:42:09
I was expecting Penelope's tits from the movie, but alright.

BTW, what do you use for 3D modeling?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 14 November 2018, 13:57:26
Hahah! The pig, I absolutely love it!

Glad you like it, and this is just a sneak peak of the whole kit :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 14 November 2018, 16:39:01

Glad you like it, and this is just a sneak peak of the whole kit :D

Lol this is just too good! Boss you're insane... 🤣🤣
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Rumblehotep on Wed, 14 November 2018, 22:31:06
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Zat5jTc.jpg)


GMK Jamón novelties are coming.
So cute! Any acorn novelties?  :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 15 November 2018, 05:19:46
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Zat5jTc.jpg)


GMK Jamón novelties are coming.
So cute! Any acorn novelties?  :)

Of course.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: toby on Thu, 15 November 2018, 08:47:43
ben waitin for this for awhile! keep up the good work zambu!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: mimalik on Thu, 15 November 2018, 09:09:36
I think Zambumon is covertly using BBC to market the drop  ;)  http://www.bbc.com/travel/gallery/20181114-the-worlds-most-expensive-ham
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 15 November 2018, 09:47:26
(https://i.imgur.com/pnCmx72.png)

Novelty #2 reveal.

Only the finest acorns for the pinnacle of keyset development. Kit update coming soon. You can still vote for the set here (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development?mode=guest-open)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 15 November 2018, 09:56:18
I think Zambumon is covertly using BBC to market the drop  ;)  http://www.bbc.com/travel/gallery/20181114-the-worlds-most-expensive-ham

Completely the opposite because GMK Jamón will be super affordable, wait to see the new kits  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 17 November 2018, 15:34:30
(https://i.imgur.com/4NrBMKz.jpg)

More novelties! Bacon & Eggs join GMK Jamón.  :cool:

You can still vote for the set here (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development?mode=guest_open) for your favorite kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: mgsickler on Sat, 17 November 2018, 17:22:19
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/4NrBMKz.jpg)


More novelties! Bacon & Eggs join GMK Jamón.  :cool:

You can still vote for the set here (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development?mode=guest_open) for your favorite kits.

The egg is so good.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Windeh on Sat, 17 November 2018, 22:50:01
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/4NrBMKz.jpg)


More novelties! Bacon & Eggs join GMK Jamón.  :cool:

You can still vote for the set here (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development?mode=guest_open) for your favorite kits.

am hungry
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 18 November 2018, 00:14:23
Of the three novelties, my favorites are:
1. the egg
2. the pig
3. the bacon

They're all awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 18 November 2018, 07:53:51
It's great to see that there's a positive reaction to the new novelties  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: rachel on Sun, 18 November 2018, 08:31:22
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Zat5jTc.jpg)


GMK Jamón novelties are coming.

This is my favorite. That red colour is totally a colour of Spanish! I like that bacon and egg too!


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 18 November 2018, 08:39:24
awesome novelties!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: vikipedeer on Sun, 18 November 2018, 11:44:30
seeing those novelties
I kinda want to make a board full of them now, and no other keycaps, like just, ham and eggs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 18 November 2018, 18:32:31
seeing those novelties
I kinda want to make a board full of them now, and no other keycaps, like just, ham and eggs.

I had the idea of a bacon strip row with some eggs in there too, people are also going to ask for R4 bacon strips but having them all won't be possible.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: vikipedeer on Mon, 19 November 2018, 06:14:53
seeing those novelties
I kinda want to make a board full of them now, and no other keycaps, like just, ham and eggs.

I had the idea of a bacon strip row with some eggs in there too, people are also going to ask for R4 bacon strips but having them all won't be possible.
Yeah, that would really complicate wayyyy too many things, plus I see that you already have alot of project to juggle around already, normal set of novelties would be more than enough.
Still, "breakfast" row sounds amazing
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: redjarojam on Mon, 19 November 2018, 09:32:27
I am loving the novelties. Acorn might find its way onto other keysets as I like it so much it might have to always be on my board.

Just make sure the production colors match the renders is all I am saying.  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 19 November 2018, 11:16:50
Just make sure the production colors match the renders is all I am saying.  :eek:

With the exception of the red modifiers, all colors have already been either chosen (and we have samples) or I have two possibilities for them.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 21 November 2018, 12:45:52
(https://i.imgur.com/kCwuaRc.jpg)

Time for a new novelty, and of course: this set wouldn't be complete without a Jamón! With this one, almost all of the novelties for the set have been revealed. My next update will be the kit overhaul!


Remember that you can still vote here (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development?utm_source=linkshare&referer=PK526G&mode=guest_open) for GMK Jamón.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Jkush463 on Wed, 21 November 2018, 15:45:50
Beautiful cant wait to see the over haul
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 27 November 2018, 14:21:03
Here is an update regarding GMK Jamón:

OK, let's start with the huge elephant in the room: still no kit updates.

Updating the kits didn't really take me that much, in fact it was quite the opposite honestly specially since I knew exactly how I wanted to make them. However, since I was going to have to remake the whole keyboard gallery, and all the kits presentation and descriptions, I thought it would be the perfect chance for me to scrap the current project page on my site and start from scratch.

This is obviously taking me longer than just updating some renders and the kits, but I think it's worth it and that's enough for me.

(https://i.imgur.com/xhkXKO1.jpg)

Now, let's talk a little bit about color matching to solve some concerns that have raised because of other keycap projects.

Like I've addressed on a previous post, many of the colors used from this set will be standard or I have already used them in the past (standard N9 dark grey, N6 yellow, Serika's alphas) and for some other I do not have a final answer. This is the case of the alphas and modifiers. While GMK offers some standard colors that are close to what I want (R01 for the alphas and P3 for the modifiers) neither of them are exactly what I want. Yes, they are close, but not exactly what I want. And while the difference is small, it's enough to bother me. So, for those two colors, we are going to do some color matching and if we manage to get something that I like more we'll use it, if not, we'll use the standard colors.

For the color matching, we are going to use the same system we used for Serika, we'll stick to the RAL color palette which was actually super accurate and worked really well. This process should be faster now that I own one.

(https://i.imgur.com/LHqtZST.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 29 November 2018, 10:23:24
(https://i.imgur.com/uSAb40m.jpg)

Kit overhaul is here!

Check the OP for more info or head over the GMK Jamón project page! (https://zambumon.com/jamon)

Let me know what you guys think about the new kits, the novelties, and do not hesitate to ask any doubts about the set  :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 29 November 2018, 10:29:03
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/uSAb40m.jpg)


Kit overhaul is here!

Check the OP for more info or head over the GMK Jamón project page! (https://zambumon.com/jamon)

Let me know what you guys think about the new kits, the novelties, and do not hesitate to ask any doubts about the set  :)
Hi Zambumon. Definitely some very nice updates. One small question. Any chance of including those 2.25U and 2.75U spacekeys into the spacebar kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: mrpetrov on Thu, 29 November 2018, 10:29:23
New kit is brilliant, even better than before. With this colorway I can really imagine using it 24/7, not just to flex. Also, new novelties are prima!

I am a little indifferent to the bacon novelties, but adore the pig, egg and leg of ham novelties. I would be very strong in favor of the egg novelties being part of the standard novelty pack.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: rachel on Thu, 29 November 2018, 10:36:09
I'm in! Love it. This is sooo hot. Thanks Zambumon for putting this up.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 29 November 2018, 10:41:33
Hi Zambumon. Definitely some very nice updates. One small question. Any chance of including those 2.25U and 2.75U spacekeys into the spacebar kit?

On my previous version of the set I had them on a spacebar kit, however I didn't like the idea of having the very same keys on two different kits. Since there's definitely an overlap between 40s and split spacebars, and we have a smaller core kit, I thought about the idea of just including both of them in the same kit (and add some incentives to people with Ergonomic keyboards such as the Alice and include a second B).

This is one of the changes I'd like to review before locking the kits.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Rumblehotep on Thu, 29 November 2018, 11:25:29
Have you considered making a macropad just for the Ñ kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 29 November 2018, 11:36:40
Have you considered making a macropad just for the Ñ kit?

Like this one? (https://www.instagram.com/p/BWDvpyzjCtC/) It's not in my plans to make one, because I've such a long backlog of projects and there are plenty of macropads.





Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Starston3 on Thu, 29 November 2018, 12:26:47
I want this very much.

Would it possible to add vim caps to a novelty kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 29 November 2018, 12:45:04
Hi Zambumon. Definitely some very nice updates. One small question. Any chance of including those 2.25U and 2.75U spacekeys into the spacebar kit?

On my previous version of the set I had them on a spacebar kit, however I didn't like the idea of having the very same keys on two different kits. Since there's definitely an overlap between 40s and split spacebars, and we have a smaller core kit, I thought about the idea of just including both of them in the same kit (and add some incentives to people with Ergonomic keyboards such as the Alice and include a second B).

This is one of the changes I'd like to review before locking the kits.

Really hope you'd consider adding those spacekeys again to the spacebar kit. It'd make a lot sense to get all the spacebars and spacekeys in one kit. I'm a 60% user with split space layout, so a base + spacebar kit would be ideal for me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 29 November 2018, 12:47:40
Hi Zambumon. Definitely some very nice updates. One small question. Any chance of including those 2.25U and 2.75U spacekeys into the spacebar kit?

On my previous version of the set I had them on a spacebar kit, however I didn't like the idea of having the very same keys on two different kits. Since there's definitely an overlap between 40s and split spacebars, and we have a smaller core kit, I thought about the idea of just including both of them in the same kit (and add some incentives to people with Ergonomic keyboards such as the Alice and include a second B).

This is one of the changes I'd like to review before locking the kits.

Really hope you'd consider adding those spacekeys again to the spacebar kit. It'd make a lot sense to get all the spacebars and spacekeys in one kit. I'm a 60% user with split space layout, so a base + spacebar kit would be ideal for me.

Noted  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 29 November 2018, 13:17:05
New kit is brilliant, even better than before. With this colorway I can really imagine using it 24/7, not just to flex. Also, new novelties are prima!

I am a little indifferent to the bacon novelties, but adore the pig, egg and leg of ham novelties. I would be very strong in favor of the egg novelties being part of the standard novelty pack.

I didn't want to mix Jamón and Bacon novelties and make it super easy for people to get multiple bacon kits if they wanted (so they can have their whole F-row covered with just bacon novelties)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: The_judge_168 on Thu, 29 November 2018, 13:31:11
New kit is brilliant, even better than before. With this colorway I can really imagine using it 24/7, not just to flex. Also, new novelties are prima!

I am a little indifferent to the bacon novelties, but adore the pig, egg and leg of ham novelties. I would be very strong in favor of the egg novelties being part of the standard novelty pack.

I didn't want to mix Jamón and Bacon novelties and make it super easy for people to get multiple bacon kits if they wanted (so they can have their whole F-row covered with just bacon novelties)

Was going to say novelties together would be nicer but that makes sense. Kits look good!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: mrpetrov on Thu, 29 November 2018, 16:52:13
New kit is brilliant, even better than before. With this colorway I can really imagine using it 24/7, not just to flex. Also, new novelties are prima!

I am a little indifferent to the bacon novelties, but adore the pig, egg and leg of ham novelties. I would be very strong in favor of the egg novelties being part of the standard novelty pack.

I didn't want to mix Jamón and Bacon novelties and make it super easy for people to get multiple bacon kits if they wanted (so they can have their whole F-row covered with just bacon novelties)

Thanks for explaining. I understand your reasoning but I don’t personally agree with it - I personally wouldn’t want a whole row of bacon and I think the use case you describe is perhaps relatively limited. But I’m just one person and it’s your call of course. Regardless, I love your work and will be in for it whatever you ultimately decide.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Fri, 30 November 2018, 01:27:52
Just checked out the project page. Bless you Zam for fully kitted ene survival kit tokyo60 renders hahaha.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 30 November 2018, 01:31:35
love the idea of doing a core kit without the numpad!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: vikipedeer on Fri, 30 November 2018, 08:41:51
yes
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 30 November 2018, 08:44:03
I want this very much.

Would it possible to add vim caps to a novelty kit?

It is possible, but unlikely.

Just checked out the project page. Bless you Zam for fully kitted ene survival kit tokyo60 renders hahaha.

And you know, you can fill a TKL and a Tokyo60 with just one core and two Eñe Survival Kits  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Fri, 30 November 2018, 12:19:10



Just checked out the project page. Bless you Zam for fully kitted ene survival kit tokyo60 renders hahaha.

And you know, you can fill a TKL and a Tokyo60 with just one core and two Eñe Survival Kits 

Oh, you know I'm already on one. Just waiting for the drop!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: rondg on Fri, 30 November 2018, 16:31:39
Not really into red keysets but this look real nice. I love the Bacon Invasion and Pata Negra!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 30 November 2018, 17:09:51



Just checked out the project page. Bless you Zam for fully kitted ene survival kit tokyo60 renders hahaha.

And you know, you can fill a TKL and a Tokyo60 with just one core and two Eñe Survival Kits 

Oh, you know I'm already on one. Just waiting for the drop!

Year of the pig, how does it sound to you? :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 30 November 2018, 19:16:06
I know you have mentioned multiple times that you will not go for Japanese sub-legend alpha kit. But more I see the renders more I get convinced that this kit deserves in this color scheme. GMK Red Samurai with mustard alpha didnt do justice to that set and hence I avoided it.
I implore you that before you refuse again, please consider this kit one more time. I understand you want to keep the cost low, which I think shouldnt be that high for this kit as moulds are already there. At worst MOQ will not be met, which I highly doubt given success of Laser and Red Samurai itself.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: 8six753o9 on Fri, 30 November 2018, 19:31:34
Oh, you know I'm already on one. Just waiting for the drop!
Year of the pig, how does it sound to you? :)


So 2019.  Sweet!  Perfect year to match the theme!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 30 November 2018, 19:43:28
I know you have mentioned multiple times that you will not go for Japanese sub-legend alpha kit. But more I see the renders more I get convinced that this kit deserves in this color scheme. GMK Red Samurai with mustard alpha didnt do justice to that set and hence I avoided it.
I implore you that before you refuse again, please consider this kit one more time. I understand you want to keep the cost low, which I think shouldnt be that high for this kit as moulds are already there. At worst MOQ will not be met, which I highly doubt given success of Laser and Red Samurai itself.

he's not gonna do it

take ur weeb **** elsewhere
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: nulltorious on Fri, 30 November 2018, 20:20:24
I know you have mentioned multiple times that you will not go for Japanese sub-legend alpha kit. But more I see the renders more I get convinced that this kit deserves in this color scheme. GMK Red Samurai with mustard alpha didnt do justice to that set and hence I avoided it.
I implore you that before you refuse again, please consider this kit one more time. I understand you want to keep the cost low, which I think shouldnt be that high for this kit as moulds are already there. At worst MOQ will not be met, which I highly doubt given success of Laser and Red Samurai itself.

he's not gonna do it

take ur weeb **** elsewhere

I like what this guy said...not interested in Japanese sub-legends. I really like how the kits are broken up, really efficient for people with only 60%-TKL boards.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Lepr3chaun on Fri, 30 November 2018, 23:38:23
The set looks great. Absolutely interested!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 01 December 2018, 08:38:06
I implore you that before you refuse again, please consider this kit one more time.

Japanese sublegends have never been, and won't be considered for this set. Not going to happen. And I could give you now a vague answer about other legends, or that I might introduce new kits (even better, post new kits on a weekly basis), or tease an alternate colorway increasing the page count and exposure of this thread... This set, at least most of its structure, is ready for the group buy stage. Of course, there's room for tweaks, small additions, moving some keys around, but I'm not going to perform any major changes to the kits.

So, here is a list of things that are not going to happen with GMK Jamón:


Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: onefivenine on Sat, 01 December 2018, 08:54:21
bring home the bacon papi
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 01 December 2018, 09:35:56
I implore you that before you refuse again, please consider this kit one more time.

Japanese sublegends have never been, and won't be considered for this set. Not going to happen. And I could give you now a vague answer about other legends, or that I might introduce new kits (even better, post new kits on a weekly basis), or tease an alternate colorway increasing the page count and exposure of this thread... This set, at least most of its structure, is ready for the group buy stage. Of course, there's room for tweaks, small additions, moving some keys around, but I'm not going to perform any major changes to the kits.

So, here is a list of things that are not going to happen with GMK Jamón:

  • Ergodox kit, or any standalone kit that doesn't depend on the Core, because that's basically another Core.
  • Hiragana, Hangul, Cyrillic, or any other kind of sublegends/novelty legends. Neither as an add-on kit nor as a secondary Core. Yes, I know that I've included an Ñ kit, but that kit doesn't make sense in any other set other than Jamón, it is a reference to the April Fool's joke, and it's actually very cheap to make because it's the same legend 25 times.
  • Nordic & German kit. I could go deep and explain why if you guys want to, but the TL;DR is that given the interest on this set and my expectations, previous data from recent (and not so recent) group buys, and that the European purchases are a minority, this kit is far from reaching MOQ.
  • Dvorak & Colemak kit.
  • Alternate alpha colorways.
  • Alternate modifier sets, that's completely suboptimal for any GMK set.
  • A second Core with alternate alphas and modifiers.
  • Icon or text-only modifiers.
  • Blanks.

Colors are not for me but thanks for stopping the curent GB trends: 42390 kits plague, eventually with weeb sublegends, extra 435 colors for modifiers and an unnecessary amount of duplicate keycaps to use eventually on other keyboards. 

edit: wew even the accents are included in the base kit like it should be, we are doing huge progress right here. We are really going toward the right way now, keep it like that, you are doing a great job (now).

Cheers
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 01 December 2018, 10:05:21
I implore you that before you refuse again, please consider this kit one more time.

Japanese sublegends have never been, and won't be considered for this set. Not going to happen. And I could give you now a vague answer about other legends, or that I might introduce new kits (even better, post new kits on a weekly basis), or tease an alternate colorway increasing the page count and exposure of this thread... This set, at least most of its structure, is ready for the group buy stage. Of course, there's room for tweaks, small additions, moving some keys around, but I'm not going to perform any major changes to the kits.

So, here is a list of things that are not going to happen with GMK Jamón:

  • Ergodox kit, or any standalone kit that doesn't depend on the Core, because that's basically another Core.
  • Hiragana, Hangul, Cyrillic, or any other kind of sublegends/novelty legends. Neither as an add-on kit nor as a secondary Core. Yes, I know that I've included an Ñ kit, but that kit doesn't make sense in any other set other than Jamón, it is a reference to the April Fool's joke, and it's actually very cheap to make because it's the same legend 25 times.
  • Nordic & German kit. I could go deep and explain why if you guys want to, but the TL;DR is that given the interest on this set and my expectations, previous data from recent (and not so recent) group buys, and that the European purchases are a minority, this kit is far from reaching MOQ.
  • Dvorak & Colemak kit.
  • Alternate alpha colorways.
  • Alternate modifier sets, that's completely suboptimal for any GMK set.
  • A second Core with alternate alphas and modifiers.
  • Icon or text-only modifiers.
  • Blanks.

Colors are not for me but thanks for stopping the curent GB trends: 42390 kits plague, eventually with weeb sublegends, extra 435 colors for modifiers and an unnecessary amount of duplicate keycaps to use eventually on other keyboards. 

edit: wew even the accents are included in the base kit like it should be, we are doing huge progress right here. We are really going toward the right way now, keep it like that, you are doing a great job (now).

Cheers

The only weird addition on the Core kit is the second tab so you can reuse the mods with other sets. The rest we could say is "a standard GMK base kit".
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 01 December 2018, 10:27:39
I implore you that before you refuse again, please consider this kit one more time.

Japanese sublegends have never been, and won't be considered for this set. Not going to happen. And I could give you now a vague answer about other legends, or that I might introduce new kits (even better, post new kits on a weekly basis), or tease an alternate colorway increasing the page count and exposure of this thread... This set, at least most of its structure, is ready for the group buy stage. Of course, there's room for tweaks, small additions, moving some keys around, but I'm not going to perform any major changes to the kits.

So, here is a list of things that are not going to happen with GMK Jamón:

  • Ergodox kit, or any standalone kit that doesn't depend on the Core, because that's basically another Core.
  • Hiragana, Hangul, Cyrillic, or any other kind of sublegends/novelty legends. Neither as an add-on kit nor as a secondary Core. Yes, I know that I've included an Ñ kit, but that kit doesn't make sense in any other set other than Jamón, it is a reference to the April Fool's joke, and it's actually very cheap to make because it's the same legend 25 times.
  • Nordic & German kit. I could go deep and explain why if you guys want to, but the TL;DR is that given the interest on this set and my expectations, previous data from recent (and not so recent) group buys, and that the European purchases are a minority, this kit is far from reaching MOQ.
  • Dvorak & Colemak kit.
  • Alternate alpha colorways.
  • Alternate modifier sets, that's completely suboptimal for any GMK set.
  • A second Core with alternate alphas and modifiers.
  • Icon or text-only modifiers.
  • Blanks.

Colors are not for me but thanks for stopping the curent GB trends: 42390 kits plague, eventually with weeb sublegends, extra 435 colors for modifiers and an unnecessary amount of duplicate keycaps to use eventually on other keyboards. 

edit: wew even the accents are included in the base kit like it should be, we are doing huge progress right here. We are really going toward the right way now, keep it like that, you are doing a great job (now).

Cheers

zambumon has a god damn diagram of what's good and not good in a gmk set gb

this man has put so much work into this set it's insane
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 01 December 2018, 11:29:52
Time to announce one of the collabs I'd like to do with Jamón.

Since I was super happy with the Serika deskmats and making them with Novelkeys, I've been working on two (more like one and a half) deskmat designs for this set:

Hexagon Red
Hexagon Red is a variation of the Hexagon Dark design Serika had, a general purpose deskmat that you can use with many other keysets.

(https://i.imgur.com/UDjoet7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nHH10do.jpg)

Jamón Novelty
Acorn, Bacon, and Jamón novelties on a deskmat.

(https://i.imgur.com/AKSeKo1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hWl3Yta.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: otanishock on Sat, 01 December 2018, 11:51:41
Time to announce one of the collabs I'd like to do with Jamón.

Since I was super happy with the Serika deskmats and making them with Novelkeys, I've been working on two (more like one and a half) deskmat designs for this set:

Hexagon Red
Hexagon Red is a variation of the Hexagon Dark design Serika had, a general purpose deskmat that you can use with many other keysets.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UDjoet7.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/nHH10do.jpg)


Jamón Novelty
Acorn, Bacon, and Jamón novelties on a deskmat.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AKSeKo1.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hWl3Yta.jpg)

Very nice indeed. My only request is to have them available in smaller size for people with smaller desk? I remember the desk mat for GMK Camping was available in both 900x400 and 320x420. I don't have a big desk and 900x400 overcovered my area of work.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 01 December 2018, 11:58:28
Time to announce one of the collabs I'd like to do with Jamón.

Since I was super happy with the Serika deskmats and making them with Novelkeys, I've been working on two (more like one and a half) deskmat designs for this set:

Hexagon Red
Hexagon Red is a variation of the Hexagon Dark design Serika had, a general purpose deskmat that you can use with many other keysets.

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(https://i.imgur.com/UDjoet7.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/nHH10do.jpg)


Jamón Novelty
Acorn, Bacon, and Jamón novelties on a deskmat.

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(https://i.imgur.com/AKSeKo1.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/hWl3Yta.jpg)

Very nice indeed. My only request is to have them available in smaller size for people with smaller desk? I remember the desk mat for GMK Camping was available in both 900x400 and 320x420. I don't have a big desk and 900x400 overcovered my area of work.

That shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: mrpetrov on Sat, 01 December 2018, 12:36:26
Excellent desk mats, I am pretty sure I'll get the acorn one. It's giving me a whole Hermes tie vibe, which is quite the compliment!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Jkush463 on Sat, 01 December 2018, 12:41:10
The mats were exactly what i was hoping ill be grabbing both for sure :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: otanishock on Sat, 01 December 2018, 13:18:26

That shouldn't be a problem.
Thank you so much! Last time the Serika mat was offered, it was only available in 900x400. This time will be an automatic join for me for sure. Love the hexagon design and the fact that it can fit with a wide variety of theme. Small question. Will it be before or after the GMK drop?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: snelltrail on Sat, 01 December 2018, 14:45:12
Love the Hexagon Red deskmat. And I’m already picturing suiting up a Planck with only eñe alphas :))

Any chance we could also get some smaller and split white spacebars in the spacebars kit? Small boards like some fat on their Jamón too!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 01 December 2018, 15:12:38
Love the Hexagon Red deskmat. And I’m already picturing suiting up a Planck with only eñe alphas :))

Any chance we could also get some smaller and split white spacebars in the spacebars kit? Small boards like some fat on their Jamón too!

I'll consider them, but I've to think about it. If I do that, I'll have to move some keys out of the 40s kit. Maybe just leaving the accent enters and Esc
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: snelltrail on Sun, 02 December 2018, 16:55:13
Love the Hexagon Red deskmat. And I’m already picturing suiting up a Planck with only eñe alphas :))

Any chance we could also get some smaller and split white spacebars in the spacebars kit? Small boards like some fat on their Jamón too!

I'll consider them, but I've to think about it. If I do that, I'll have to move some keys out of the 40s kit. Maybe just leaving the accent enters and Esc

So just adding keys to the spacebars kit and leaving the forties kit as it is is not an option? (So they’d be similar to the Serika spacebars and forties kits).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 02 December 2018, 17:30:05
Love the Hexagon Red deskmat. And I’m already picturing suiting up a Planck with only eñe alphas :))

Any chance we could also get some smaller and split white spacebars in the spacebars kit? Small boards like some fat on their Jamón too!

I'll consider them, but I've to think about it. If I do that, I'll have to move some keys out of the 40s kit. Maybe just leaving the accent enters and Esc

So just adding keys to the spacebars kit and leaving the forties kit as it is is not an option? (So they’d be similar to the Serika spacebars and forties kits).

If I add those split spacebar keys to the spacebar kit, it will be only in detriment of the 40s users, which is the primary group that uses these spacebars.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: dimo on Sun, 02 December 2018, 22:40:05
+1 on short spacebars for boards like alice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 03 December 2018, 02:25:31
+1 on short spacebars for boards like alice

There's already short spacebars on the 40s, and I've also included a second B so you could have both Bs on the left and right sides.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: catamscott on Tue, 04 December 2018, 14:41:15
so looking forward to this, gonna look great on my red kyuu. would've liked to try a r0-r5 kit but i'll be buying anyways
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 04 December 2018, 16:15:42
I can't decide if I like this on white or red more
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 04 December 2018, 18:27:39
so looking forward to this, gonna look great on my red kyuu. would've liked to try a r0-r5 kit but i'll be buying anyways

While R0 and R5 are interesting feature, it would make the kits more expensive and these days it's super important to keep the sets as affordable as we can.

I can't decide if I like this on white or red more

I personally prefer a red keyboard, white would be a little bit jarring for me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: clik_clak on Tue, 04 December 2018, 18:32:04
so looking forward to this, gonna look great on my red kyuu. would've liked to try a r0-r5 kit but i'll be buying anyways

While R0 and R5 are interesting feature, it would make the kits more expensive and these days it's super important to keep the sets as affordable as we can.

Thank you for this. It sure seems the extra profiles, and their associated costs, hurt the sales of Carbon. I know the sticker shock sure surprised me and caused me to go in for only 2 kits instead of the 8 or so I was originally going to go with....and one of those kits didn't even hit MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 04 December 2018, 18:55:48
Thank you for this. It sure seems the extra profiles, and their associated costs, hurt the sales of Carbon. I know the sticker shock sure surprised me and caused me to go in for only 2 kits instead of the 8 or so I was originally going to go with....and one of those kits didn't even hit MOQ.

I don't think R0-R5 were the main issue there. In my opinion, how the kits were structured played a bigger role and this is why I've been working on this different approach since September.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: LevelSteam on Tue, 04 December 2018, 22:08:08
I can't decide if I like this on white or red more

I think I'm going to put this on a white board.

This is the first "must have" set I've encountered in quite a while though. But then again I already own SA Chocolatier and Nautilus so maybe I'm just a sucker for your work :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 05 December 2018, 08:19:21
I can't decide if I like this on white or red more

I think I'm going to put this on a white board.

This is the first "must have" set I've encountered in quite a while though. But then again I already own SA Chocolatier and Nautilus so maybe I'm just a sucker for your work :p

A white powder coat board? I have some old renders with a white board so you can get an idea of how it would look.

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/f90-4.png)

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/f90-5.png)

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/jamon_okinawa_4-e1527544477456.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 05 December 2018, 08:53:59
Is it safe to say that this will run around Q2 2019?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 05 December 2018, 09:33:30
Is it safe to say that this will run around Q2 2019?

It's safe to say that it will run in Q1 2019
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Massive Kit Update! Novelty kits added
Post by: LevelSteam on Wed, 05 December 2018, 10:36:16
Thanks for the renders! :D Got my board ordered for this and ready to go!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 08 December 2018, 05:29:52
Thermal and Xeno renders using the spacebar pack.

Thermal

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/gallery_jamon_thermal_1.jpg)

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/gallery_jamon_thermal_2.jpg)

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/gallery_jamon_thermal_3.jpg)


Xeno

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/gallery_jamon_xeno_1.jpg)

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/gallery_jamon_xeno_2.jpg)

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/gallery_jamon_xeno_3.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Jkush463 on Sat, 08 December 2018, 10:00:17
I need Jamon in my life. I just ate some last night :P
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: titanium on Mon, 10 December 2018, 00:18:17
Can you release the PAL code for the white used? Trying to get a perfectly matching cable for this set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: KingzandBean on Mon, 10 December 2018, 17:10:04
WAIT WAIT what is this Thermal thing? can someone link me?

Also, I'm definitely in for this keyset, it savory AF. Though I do wish that novelties had a classic Ham Bone? I know it's not Jamon exactly but I think it registers as a pork product in a way that the Jamon icon doesn't quite. Does that make sense?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 10 December 2018, 18:11:48
Can you release the PAL code for the white used? Trying to get a perfectly matching cable for this set!

It's the same as Serika's alphas. There should be a blog post on my site (https://zambumon.com) about it (I think it's titled "Serika - Update #4, or Serika - Update #5).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: TheMastermind on Tue, 11 December 2018, 20:35:56
Any updates on the box artwork?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 11 December 2018, 23:13:08
Any updates on the box artwork?

Not yet, it's too soon to work on it and I'm currently finishing some other stuff.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 20 December 2018, 20:49:29
(https://i.imgur.com/Hd9ytNL.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/GwsYZHt.png)

Bacon Gear?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Rumblehotep on Fri, 21 December 2018, 17:14:48
Throw in a bacon scarf and I'll be set
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 21 December 2018, 17:47:55
Throw in a bacon scarf and I'll be set

+1
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 21 December 2018, 19:12:46
I'll see if this is possible. There's a Christmas break coming up, so updates will be a little bit slower for the upcoming weeks.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 22 December 2018, 13:17:08
Good evening everyone, I've got huge news for the GMK Jamón project:

Get ready and prepare your wallets because Jamón is coming

Jamón is coming, and it's coming really soon, in fact, we are more or less over a month away from GMK Jamón's group buy and as before I lock the kits so we can get final quotes, I would love to hear what do you think about the kits, what could be tweaked, what do you like about them... Some of you have already posted here some valuable feedback, which I'll consider when doing some final tweaks, but it's always great to get more ideas to make this set a little bit better.

I will be open for suggestions up until January 6th, when kits will be locked.

Some notes regarding the kits, which you can check on the project page (https://zambumon.com/jamon) or the OP.

- I am aiming for a $100 or lower Core kit. While this is extremely challenging, I think we could get it done.
- Novelties are done, and all the novelty kits will most likely stay like they currently are. While I understand some people would prefer to have them all on a large Novelty kit, I'd like to explore the idea of making 3 or 4 smaller kits that more people could get. The eñe kit should be fairly inexpensive since it is the same key 25 times.
- If you voted on Massdrop before the kit overhaul, make sure to update your vote! You can vote here (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development?mode=guest_open). And while I'm mentioning this, I'd like to thank again everyone that has voted for Jamón so far on Massdrop, specially those that have updated their votes when I posted the kit overhaul. Thanks for supporting this project and making it possible.


Collabs

There has been some progress with Jamón themed collaborations. Novelkeys has informed me that the hexagon-red and novelty deskmats are on their way. Mike should be able to take hi-res pics of them soon. I'm also working on some other exciting collab, which will be unveiled soon.

(https://i.redd.it/fzrbkedeov521.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 22 December 2018, 15:15:12
Good evening everyone, I've got huge news for the GMK Jamón project:

Get ready and prepare your wallets because Jamón is coming

Jamón is coming, and it's coming really soon, in fact, we are more or less over a month away from GMK Jamón's group buy and as before I lock the kits so we can get final quotes, I would love to hear what do you think about the kits, what could be tweaked, what do you like about them... Some of you have already posted here some valuable feedback, which I'll consider when doing some final tweaks, but it's always great to get more ideas to make this set a little bit better.

I will be open for suggestions up until January 6th, when kits will be locked.

Some notes regarding the kits, which you can check on the project page (https://zambumon.com/jamon) or the OP.

- I am aiming for a $100 or lower Core kit. While this is extremely challenging, I think we could get it done.
- Novelties are done, and all the novelty kits will most likely stay like they currently are. While I understand some people would prefer to have them all on a large Novelty kit, I'd like to explore the idea of making 3 or 4 smaller kits that more people could get. The eñe kit should be fairly inexpensive since it is the same key 25 times.
- If you voted on Massdrop before the kit overhaul, make sure to update your vote! You can vote here (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development?mode=guest_open). And while I'm mentioning this, I'd like to thank again everyone that has voted for Jamón so far on Massdrop, specially those that have updated their votes when I posted the kit overhaul. Thanks for supporting this project and making it possible.


Collabs

There has been some progress with Jamón themed collaborations. Novelkeys has informed me that the hexagon-red and novelty deskmats are on their way. Mike should be able to take hi-res pics of them soon. I'm also working on some other exciting collab, which will be unveiled soon.

Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/fzrbkedeov521.png)


I've taken a good look at the kits and I have to say, separating the numpad kit from the core is a great move to keep the core kit price down. There has been a lot of complaining about the price of GMK base kits lately and hopefully this will alleviate some of that. I got to thinking about what Wilba said early in the thread regarding how putting together a base kit with good compatability can be a challenge. It make a lot of sense, as 40% users are perceived as a minority in numbers. I have believe that this is, for the most part, correct. And if we 40% users, and users of other layouts, don't vote with our wallets when the GB starts then it's our own faults that kits don't meet MoQ. We appreciate the efforts to efficiently create kits that provide for greater compatability, while keeping the costs down as much as possible. I'm also glad that there aren't 2 dozen kits available for this set...better chance for kits to reach MoQ. With that said, and before the kits are locked down, I respectfully ask that you please reconsider your stance on the absence of a 1.75u backspace from the 40s kit. I know when I have asked in the past, I have said some things I regret out of frustration. I have to admit that the toxicity in our community is unnecessary and unwarranted. Whatever issues you have with that specific key do not need to be discussed here. What I ask is that you think about us, the fans of your work, and how this makes us unable to outfit the boards we use. The bad blood that surrounds this key needs to come to an end and we all need to move forward as a community. I hope you give this some real thought. Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 22 December 2018, 18:03:12
I've taken a good look at the kits and I have to say, separating the numpad kit from the core is a great move to keep the core kit price down. There has been a lot of complaining about the price of GMK base kits lately and hopefully this will alleviate some of that. I got to thinking about what Wilba said early in the thread regarding how putting together a base kit with good compatability can be a challenge. It make a lot of sense, as 40% users are perceived as a minority in numbers. I have believe that this is, for the most part, correct. And if we 40% users, and users of other layouts, don't vote with our wallets when the GB starts then it's our own faults that kits don't meet MoQ. We appreciate the efforts to efficiently create kits that provide for greater compatability, while keeping the costs down as much as possible. I'm also glad that there aren't 2 dozen kits available for this set...better chance for kits to reach MoQ. With that said, and before the kits are locked down, I respectfully ask that you please reconsider your stance on the absence of a 1.75u backspace from the 40s kit. I know when I have asked in the past, I have said some things I regret out of frustration. I have to admit that the toxicity in our community is unnecessary and unwarranted. Whatever issues you have with that specific key do not need to be discussed here. What I ask is that you think about us, the fans of your work, and how this makes us unable to outfit the boards we use. The bad blood that surrounds this key needs to come to an end and we all need to move forward as a community. I hope you give this some real thought. Thanks.

Mike, this isn't the first time we've had this conversation.

I gave it a real thought several months ago. I talked with friends, community members, and other people that have been involved on keyboard projects, and I stand by the decission I took months ago.

Community is built on mutual respect, you can like or dislike other community members, and people are free to say that the work I do is **** and dislike all my sets, but at the end of the day those people that dislike my stuff have my respect. The Van Keyboards no longer has it.

They have crossed the line not once or twice, but many many times, with me and with other people. There is no copyright that protect any of these colorways, but at least we used to have some kind of respect for other's works.

(https://i.imgur.com/4HNyr7b.png)

Conversation with Evangs three weeks ago on Jamón's IC thread. (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/a1iqt4/gmk_jamón_now_with_would_you_be_interested_in/eaq3z9j) (Screenshot (https://i.imgur.com/dVkK3BA.png))


(https://i.imgur.com/fU91p2s.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6QzneLs.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 22 December 2018, 18:49:18
I know we’ve spoken before. It doesn’t hurt to ask. Thanks for the reply and I can respect your decision.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 22 December 2018, 19:22:27
> 3 weeks ago, "looks like a cool set"
> 1 week ago "whats Jamon?"

lmao can't make this **** up

(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 22 December 2018, 22:32:55
> 3 weeks ago, "looks like a cool set"
> 1 week ago "whats Jamon?"

lmao can't make this **** up

Show Image
(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)


Wow. He's not even the one who uses thevankeyboards account. It's 2 different people.


I will be open for suggestions up until January 6th, when kits will be locked.


I guess this was a false statement. I was trying to be civil about by asking again. I guess you guys can call the mods out to censor this now, as usual. Good luck with the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 22 December 2018, 22:37:28
> 3 weeks ago, "looks like a cool set"
> 1 week ago "whats Jamon?"

lmao can't make this **** up

Show Image
(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)


Wow. He's not even the one who uses thevankeyboards account. It's 2 different people.


I will be open for suggestions up until January 6th, when kits will be locked.


I guess this was a false statement. I was trying to be civil about by asking again. I guess you guys can call the mods out to censor this now, as usual. Good luck with the GB.

You asked. He said no. Just because you suggest something doesn't mean he has to include it.

If I took every suggestion for Yolch, it would support Romanian ISO.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 22 December 2018, 22:52:41
> 3 weeks ago, "looks like a cool set"
> 1 week ago "whats Jamon?"

lmao can't make this **** up

Show Image
(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)


Wow. He's not even the one who uses thevankeyboards account. It's 2 different people.


I will be open for suggestions up until January 6th, when kits will be locked.


I guess this was a false statement. I was trying to be civil about by asking again. I guess you guys can call the mods out to censor this now, as usual. Good luck with the GB.

You asked. He said no. Just because you suggest something doesn't mean he has to include it.

If I took every suggestion for Yolch, it would support Romanian ISO.

Oh, I understand that. It's the way it gets answered that is concerning. Just a whole bunch of hate behind it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 23 December 2018, 07:21:54
> 3 weeks ago, "looks like a cool set"
> 1 week ago "whats Jamon?"

lmao can't make this **** up

Show Image
(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)


Wow. He's not even the one who uses thevankeyboards account. It's 2 different people.

If you give another person the login to your instagram to represent your company, you are still responsible for its content.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 December 2018, 07:42:06
> 3 weeks ago, "looks like a cool set"
> 1 week ago "whats Jamon?"

lmao can't make this **** up

Show Image
(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)


Wow. He's not even the one who uses thevankeyboards account. It's 2 different people.


I will be open for suggestions up until January 6th, when kits will be locked.


I guess this was a false statement. I was trying to be civil about by asking again. I guess you guys can call the mods out to censor this now, as usual. Good luck with the GB.

Mike,

I have answered you always in a civil way here, and in my previous ICs, and I have always explained why I'm no longer supporting their board and you are trying to portrait me as the bad guy here. I don't have any hate for them, just dissapointment.

By supporting the Minivan I'm stating that it is OK to support a company that doesn't care and wants to screw over community members.

This is not the first time we've had this conversation, this is not the first time you've used the "calling the mods" card when I've never done that, and this is not the first time I've declined and give you my point of view of this situation.

Since I'm sure it won't be the last and, if it wasn't clear with my previous responses: I'm going to kindly ask you to not suggest this layout or any other made by that company on any of my future ICs. If you have any other suggestions for any other boards, I'll listen to them.

Thanks.



Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: PaultheSloth on Sun, 23 December 2018, 09:32:34
Losing the numpad in the core kit seems like a good step in reducing the cost, excited for this when it's out.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: quazikun on Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:10:26
Would you consider expanding the pata negra kit to include all or more modifiers?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 23 December 2018, 11:41:07
Would you consider expanding the pata negra kit to include all or more modifiers?

I'm kinda into this but I don't think zambumon would be
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 December 2018, 12:59:22
I want to keep the pricing of those as low as possible. What both of you guys exactly mean with expanding the kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 23 December 2018, 13:31:39
I want to keep the pricing of those as low as possible. What both of you guys exactly mean with expanding the kit?

(https://i.imgur.com/ZLYfjKG.png)

I think they mean this sort of kit.

Personally I never liked the cream accents for the set, the dark gray ones look much better. Would have made them default accents and skip cream ones. Maybe have numbers row in cream to simulate a fat line.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 December 2018, 13:35:01
I want to keep the pricing of those as low as possible. What both of you guys exactly mean with expanding the kit?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLYfjKG.png)


(https://i.imgur.com/Z7U7TkV.jpg)

We both know how that approach went.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 23 December 2018, 14:25:02
Just out of curiosity, not a jab at anything, but how does the acorn fit into the theme of this set?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 23 December 2018, 15:12:33
Just out of curiosity, not a jab at anything, but how does the acorn fit into the theme of this set?

feed acorns to pigs all day = best jamón
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: romevi on Sun, 23 December 2018, 15:29:47
I want to keep the pricing of those as low as possible. What both of you guys exactly mean with expanding the kit?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLYfjKG.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Z7U7TkV.jpg)


We both know how that approach went.


So no chance of modern 1800 support?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 23 December 2018, 15:33:33
I want to keep the pricing of those as low as possible. What both of you guys exactly mean with expanding the kit?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLYfjKG.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Z7U7TkV.jpg)


We both know how that approach went.


So no chance of modern 1800 support?

Base + Numpad should cover 1800/CP/96
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 23 December 2018, 16:27:57
Would like to see more core sets like this in the future. Good job Zamzam!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sun, 23 December 2018, 16:29:20
> 3 weeks ago, "looks like a cool set"
> 1 week ago "whats Jamon?"

lmao can't make this **** up

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(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)


Wow. He's not even the one who uses thevankeyboards account. It's 2 different people.


I will be open for suggestions up until January 6th, when kits will be locked.


I guess this was a false statement. I was trying to be civil about by asking again. I guess you guys can call the mods out to censor this now, as usual. Good luck with the GB.

Mike,

I have answered you always in a civil way here, and in my previous ICs, and I have always explained why I'm no longer supporting their board and you are trying to portrait me as the bad guy here. I don't have any hate for them, just dissapointment.

By supporting the Minivan I'm stating that it is OK to support a company that doesn't care and wants to screw over community members.

This is not the first time we've had this conversation, this is not the first time you've used the "calling the mods" card when I've never done that, and this is not the first time I've declined and give you my point of view of this situation.

Since I'm sure it won't be the last and, if it wasn't clear with my previous responses: I'm going to kindly ask you to not suggest this layout or any other made by that company on any of my future ICs. If you have any other suggestions for any other boards, I'll listen to them.

Thanks.





No problem. Lol. As I said before, good luck with the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 December 2018, 21:23:49
I want to keep the pricing of those as low as possible. What both of you guys exactly mean with expanding the kit?

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(https://i.imgur.com/ZLYfjKG.png)


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(https://i.imgur.com/Z7U7TkV.jpg)


We both know how that approach went.


So no chance of modern 1800 support?

Base + Numpad should cover 1800/CP/96

And standalone numpads.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: quazikun on Sun, 23 December 2018, 22:38:46
I want to keep the pricing of those as low as possible. What both of you guys exactly mean with expanding the kit?

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(https://i.imgur.com/ZLYfjKG.png)


I think they mean this sort of kit.

Personally I never liked the cream accents for the set, the dark gray ones look much better. Would have made them default accents and skip cream ones. Maybe have numbers row in cream to simulate a fat line.

Nothing this extensive - more just including the other standard modifiers for a 60%/TKL (not the # row or F-row or home cluster etc, just shift/enter/tab/caps etc) to complete the black + red aesthetic.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 24 December 2018, 05:42:31
I want to keep the pricing of those as low as possible. What both of you guys exactly mean with expanding the kit?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLYfjKG.png)


I think they mean this sort of kit.

Personally I never liked the cream accents for the set, the dark gray ones look much better. Would have made them default accents and skip cream ones. Maybe have numbers row in cream to simulate a fat line.

Nothing this extensive - more just including the other standard modifiers for a 60%/TKL (not the # row or F-row or home cluster etc, just shift/enter/tab/caps etc) to complete the black + red aesthetic.

For the whole red + grey aesthetics I would honestly just buy Burgundy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 24 December 2018, 09:59:34
Relevant. This is probably the most expensive Jamon in that store but overall it costs around one GMK keyset.

Edit. Sorry my bad about the 90° photo. Anyway I love Jamon and I will buy me a smaller portion :b
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 24 December 2018, 12:46:28
Waiting for this to happen soon. In for base + numpad for usre, other kits depending on pricing. Any idea when to expect it to drop on MD? I know its up for vote, but I am not confident in MD voting as I have seen some good kits with high vtoes languishing in limbo and some get made w/o even coming up for voting.



Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 24 December 2018, 13:03:17
Waiting for this to happen soon. In for base + numpad for usre, other kits depending on pricing. Any idea when to expect it to drop on MD? I know its up for vote, but I am not confident in MD voting as I have seen some good kits with high vtoes languishing in limbo and some get made w/o even coming up for voting.

Roughly around February. Voting for the set will notify you once it goes live.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: LevelSteam on Tue, 25 December 2018, 21:12:36
February? Wow!

I honestly can't remember the last time I was this excited for a set. Everything looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 25 December 2018, 21:58:14
February? Wow!

I honestly can't remember the last time I was this excited for a set. Everything looks great!

Well, right after Massdrop's next set. Just in time for the Chinese New Year  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 26 December 2018, 05:46:16
Looks nice!

Any chance of split spaces include in either base kit or spacebar kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 26 December 2018, 06:08:28
Looks nice!

Any chance of split spaces include in either base kit or spacebar kit?

I have included them in the 40s kit because it since it will benefit 40% users and ergo keyboard users (that's why the kit includes a second B, so you could cover an LZ Ergo or the TGR Alice properly). Since the Core kit is smaller, and most people interested on split spacebars use layout smaller than TKL, the combined price of a 40s kit + core should be lower than a standard GMK base set + spacebar kit.

The spacebar kit was going to be just an accent kit, but since I wanted to provide coverage for 6U spacebars, and didn't want to make the 40s kit even bigger (and rename it to something as "extension kit") I put them with the 6.25U and 7.00U spacebars.

Let me know what you think about it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 26 December 2018, 06:40:54
Thanks for the update. Understandable. I just don't see myself using all the extras from the 40s kit besides those split spaces, whereas I could see myself benefiting from the accent spacebar from time to time. Plus the spacebar kit will be cheaper as well. Do you ever consider including those split spaces in both the 40s and spacebar kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 26 December 2018, 17:29:36
Thanks for the update. Understandable. I just don't see myself using all the extras from the 40s kit besides those split spaces, whereas I could see myself benefiting from the accent spacebar from time to time. Plus the spacebar kit will be cheaper as well. Do you ever consider including those split spaces in both the 40s and spacebar kit?

No, I'd prefer to avoid having the keys duplicated and just have them on one the 40s
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: snelltrail on Wed, 26 December 2018, 23:27:01
Thanks for the update. Understandable. I just don't see myself using all the extras from the 40s kit besides those split spaces, whereas I could see myself benefiting from the accent spacebar from time to time. Plus the spacebar kit will be cheaper as well. Do you ever consider including those split spaces in both the 40s and spacebar kit?

No, I'd prefer to avoid having the keys duplicated and just have them on one the 40s

You could add accent split spacebars to the spacebar kit and leave the red split space bars in the 40s kit. (I know we've discussed this before; I'm just really keen for white split spacebars!!)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Thu, 27 December 2018, 01:51:47
love your work. I have nautilus, Serika and im planning to get this as well. I'm not that a big of a fan of the cherry profile either.
I would love to know if your or someone in your inner circle plans to make an SA version of this ?
I was so envious when I saw the SA Nautilus - any chance of some SA Jamon anytime in the future?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: rondg on Thu, 27 December 2018, 04:31:19
Salty keycap? Hehe. Just thought that it fits the theme. Though adding more salt to jamom will be a bit too much.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 27 December 2018, 07:34:25
love your work. I have nautilus, Serika and im planning to get this as well. I'm not that a big of a fan of the cherry profile either.
I would love to know if your or someone in your inner circle plans to make an SA version of this ?
I was so envious when I saw the SA Nautilus - any chance of some SA Jamon anytime in the future?

For an SA version, none. SP still has their classic super long backlog that happens whenever they are making a big set, they aren't as good as GMK when we talk about color matching,  and if Nautilus Nightmares and Samurai Blue get done, you wouldn't expect another version of this set to reach the group buy until mid 2020, so you won't have your keycaps until 2021.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: lee jeong woo on Thu, 27 December 2018, 08:41:30
I have a question about color.

Alphas = burgundy
modi = Ceresia

Are these different colors of Jamon?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 27 December 2018, 09:49:18
I have a question about color.

Alphas = burgundy
modi = Ceresia

Are these different colors of Jamon?

Here is an update regarding GMK Jamón:

OK, let's start with the huge elephant in the room: still no kit updates.

Updating the kits didn't really take me that much, in fact it was quite the opposite honestly specially since I knew exactly how I wanted to make them. However, since I was going to have to remake the whole keyboard gallery, and all the kits presentation and descriptions, I thought it would be the perfect chance for me to scrap the current project page on my site and start from scratch.

This is obviously taking me longer than just updating some renders and the kits, but I think it's worth it and that's enough for me.

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(https://i.imgur.com/xhkXKO1.jpg)


Now, let's talk a little bit about color matching to solve some concerns that have raised because of other keycap projects.

Like I've addressed on a previous post, many of the colors used from this set will be standard or I have already used them in the past (standard N9 dark grey, N6 yellow, Serika's alphas) and for some other I do not have a final answer. This is the case of the alphas and modifiers. While GMK offers some standard colors that are close to what I want (R01 for the alphas and P3 for the modifiers) neither of them are exactly what I want. Yes, they are close, but not exactly what I want. And while the difference is small, it's enough to bother me. So, for those two colors, we are going to do some color matching and if we manage to get something that I like more we'll use it, if not, we'll use the standard colors.

For the color matching, we are going to use the same system we used for Serika, we'll stick to the RAL color palette which was actually super accurate and worked really well. This process should be faster now that I own one.

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(https://i.imgur.com/LHqtZST.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 27 December 2018, 10:11:27
I have a question about color.

Alphas = burgundy
modi = Ceresia

Are these different colors of Jamon?

I was pining hard for Jamon earlier this year and picked up Ceresia and Burgundy.  "White" accents in top photo are epbt BoW and in the bottom, OG Cherry off-white.

I can't comment as to whether these are a direct match, but it was close enough.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: fer.real on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:38:47
Hi,

I usually map the function key on my keyboards to the Caps Lock key.  Is there any way you can add an R3 1.75u function key to replace the Caps Lock key?  It doesn't need to be a Fn or Function key, it could be something generic like Meta or Super, a novelty, or even a blank.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 27 December 2018, 17:48:24
Hi,

I usually map the function key on my keyboards to the Caps Lock key.  Is there any way you can add an R3 1.75u function key to replace the Caps Lock key?  It doesn't need to be a Fn or Function key, it could be something generic like Meta or Super, a novelty, or even a blank.

I will think about it, maybe I can add it as a novelty and avoid increasing Core's size.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 27 December 2018, 17:50:00
Novelkeys x Jamón Deskmat samples

Nice.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410433598819270657/527938913839480852/DSC01157.JPG)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410433598819270657/527938917086003201/DSC01158.JPG)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410433598819270657/527938904586846237/DSC01155.JPG)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410433598819270657/527938908726755348/DSC01156.JPG)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: Lepr3chaun on Thu, 27 December 2018, 22:28:01
The mats look great!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: digid3ar on Thu, 27 December 2018, 23:56:38
could we add 2  R3 1.50 in the 40s set, or would be too expensive?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 28 December 2018, 04:56:01
could we add 2  R3 1.50 in the 40s set, or would be too expensive?

Why 2? For which layout?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: snelltrail on Fri, 28 December 2018, 05:01:27
could we add 2  R3 1.50 in the 40s set, or would be too expensive?

Why 2? For which layout?

I'm guessing it's for the Pearl. Also the Prelude 40% which is currently in IC.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon!
Post by: fer.real on Fri, 28 December 2018, 06:09:47
Hi,

I usually map the function key on my keyboards to the Caps Lock key.  Is there any way you can add an R3 1.75u function key to replace the Caps Lock key?  It doesn't need to be a Fn or Function key, it could be something generic like Meta or Super, a novelty, or even a blank.

I will think about it, maybe I can add it as a novelty and avoid increasing Core's size.

Thanks for the consideration!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 28 December 2018, 06:33:16
could we add 2  R3 1.50 in the 40s set, or would be too expensive?

Why 2? For which layout?

I'm guessing it's for the Pearl. Also the Prelude 40% which is currently in IC.

The reason I haven't added them is partly because there's there are no plans to run the Pearl again, and since there's only around 100 of them, its userbase is very limited. On the other hand Vortex Core, DDMicro, and Plancks have lots of stock and the current kit also allows for most of the 40% layouts which trim the left side 0.5U and use a 1.75U enter key.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 30 December 2018, 07:24:13
Would highly love to see an extra 2u bar in the 40s kit! Apart from that, looking forward to GB day :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 30 December 2018, 12:13:22
(https://i.imgur.com/9cXVT4B.png)

- Possible kit updates: So, most people have suggested about the new kits to add some of the what I'd call "splitbars" to the spacebar kit (or add a second 2.00U spacebar). Since I'd prefer not having duplicate spacebars, I'm probably going to add a 2.00, 2.25, and 2.75U accent spacebar to the spacebar kit. Regarding the addition of R3 1.50 Tab and Enter keys I'll have to think about it.

- Deskmats: since both deskmats use patterns, I don't think we should have any issues to make a small mat version.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: LevelSteam on Mon, 31 December 2018, 01:52:07
Honestly I hope the modifiers do turn out closer to P3 than something like RO2.

Even *if* this set turned out similar to burgundy alphas + ceresia mods I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, and there's still enough going on with the accents to really make it pop and set it apart from those other sets as a whole.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 31 December 2018, 09:21:20
Small kit update:

- Render color tweaks
- Moved accents from Core to Jamonelties (beige Esc and Enter)
- Added accent splitbars (2.00, 2.25, 2.75) to Spacebars

(https://i.imgur.com/QSgcyxW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/BwO6KFH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/rLm2RLl.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7fUagqp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/omk55HX.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ycOZcla.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/KstvDIC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jJ7q2b8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/KiGnvsA.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 31 December 2018, 09:26:32
Did it lower the core kit price to move the accents?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 31 December 2018, 10:27:54
Did it lower the core kit price to move the accents?

It just made more sense to me to move all the beige accents to Jamonelties.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: LevelSteam on Mon, 31 December 2018, 11:11:30
Definitely prefered the more vibrant reds on the previous renders to the newer desaturated ones :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 31 December 2018, 11:49:38
Definitely prefered the more vibrant reds on the previous renders to the newer desaturated ones :(

The new ones are closer to both the GMK and RAL samples.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 31 December 2018, 11:58:14
nice kit updates.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: LevelSteam on Mon, 31 December 2018, 12:10:41
The new ones are closer to both the GMK and RAL samples.

Now that I'm looking at it on a different (better calibrated) monitor I actually like the new colors more. I think that like Nautilus or Laser, this is going to be one of those sets I have to see irl to really appreciate it. In any case count me in for pretty much every kit haha  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 31 December 2018, 12:55:54
The new ones are closer to both the GMK and RAL samples.

Now that I'm looking at it on a different (better calibrated) monitor I actually like the new colors more. I think that like Nautilus or Laser, this is going to be one of those sets I have to see irl to really appreciate it. In any case count me in for pretty much every kit haha  :thumb:

We should have samples of everything before the group buy starts anyways, I'll try to take some pics of them once I get them here and share them with you guys.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 31 December 2018, 13:09:16
Awesome updates! In for sure. Also, where will this run? (I’m really hoping zF will be one if them) heh
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 31 December 2018, 13:32:29
Did it lower the core kit price to move the accents?

It just made more sense to me to move all the beige accents to Jamonelties.

So, no price change, but keys were removed?  I don't necessarily disagree with them being in with the novelties; just doesn't make sense to simply remove them if it doesn't change the price...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 31 December 2018, 13:37:49
Did it lower the core kit price to move the accents?

It just made more sense to me to move all the beige accents to Jamonelties.

So, no price change, but keys were removed?  I don't necessarily disagree with them being in with the novelties; just doesn't make sense to simply remove them if it doesn't change the price...

It does lower the price, but it's more meant to be so people can choose which accents they want (at least for most layouts)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 31 December 2018, 13:38:31
Awesome updates! In for sure. Also, where will this run? (I’m really hoping zF will be one if them) heh

Massdrop. I don't know if ZF will proxy the set in China, that's up to them I guess.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 31 December 2018, 13:56:37
Did it lower the core kit price to move the accents?

It just made more sense to me to move all the beige accents to Jamonelties.

So, no price change, but keys were removed?  I don't necessarily disagree with them being in with the novelties; just doesn't make sense to simply remove them if it doesn't change the price...

It does lower the price, but it's more meant to be so people can choose which accents they want (at least for most layouts)

Cool, like the change then
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: catamscott on Mon, 31 December 2018, 14:11:55
Small kit update:

- Render color tweaks
- Moved accents from Core to Jamonelties (beige Esc and Enter)
- Added accent splitbars (2.00, 2.25, 2.75) to Spacebars

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QSgcyxW.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BwO6KFH.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rLm2RLl.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/7fUagqp.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/omk55HX.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ycOZcla.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/KstvDIC.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/jJ7q2b8.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/KiGnvsA.png)


updated render colors are looking excellent, now even more excited for this set
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 31 December 2018, 17:19:03
I'm still open for suggestions until January 6th.

Happy 2019, year of the pig  :D
Feliz año nuevo!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: RamenTechMech on Mon, 31 December 2018, 17:30:12
I'm still open for suggestions until January 6th.

Happy 2019, year of the pig  :D
Feliz año nuevo!
Happy New Year  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Deskmat update]
Post by: snelltrail on Tue, 01 January 2019, 01:43:14
Small kit update:

- Render color tweaks
- Moved accents from Core to Jamonelties (beige Esc and Enter)
- Added accent splitbars (2.00, 2.25, 2.75) to Spacebars

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QSgcyxW.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BwO6KFH.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rLm2RLl.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/7fUagqp.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/omk55HX.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ycOZcla.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/KstvDIC.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/jJ7q2b8.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/KiGnvsA.png)


Really liking these proposed updated kits! I appreciate you trying to squeeze the splitbars into the spacebars kit. I was planning on picking up the Jamónelties anyway, so moving the accents from the Core doesn't matter much to me.

Not sure whether I like the new colors as much, I really liked the vibrancy of the previous mods. But the set still looks amazing and I'll definitely be for most kits! :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 01 January 2019, 07:26:28
As I mentioned, it's not like these are new colors. All I did was some adjustments with the renders so they are more accurate with the real thing.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: snelltrail on Wed, 02 January 2019, 05:41:32
Ah right, sorry, I managed to miss that it was only *render* color updates. Definitely nice to have more accurate renders; can't wait to get some Jamón!! :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:44:53
Ah right, sorry, I managed to miss that it was only *render* color updates. Definitely nice to have more accurate renders; can't wait to get some Jamón!! :D

I managed to make some new renders with the new colors. Hopefully I should be able to update the OP later this week.

(https://i.imgur.com/KAWRxsw.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/imPI7AB.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/x8oNeOy.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wXFEtH4.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: LevelSteam on Wed, 02 January 2019, 18:17:00
Love it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: snelltrail on Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:18:55
Oooof, these new renders look fantastic!!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: gabbbe on Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:28:29
I must say one thing: this is one of the best looking keycaps I ever seen but I’d really really love them if it had Icon Mods. Any chance to add?


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:29:20
I must say one thing: this is one of the best looking keycaps I ever seen but I’d really really love them if it had Icon Mods. Any chance to add?


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None.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:40:37
A Space Cadet set for R2 :)?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:41:54
A Space Cadet set for R2 :)?

This set has little to do with Lisp. Stay tuned for Crimson Cadet instead.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:53:56
A Space Cadet set for R2 :)?

This set has little to do with Lisp. Stay tuned for Crimson Cadet instead.

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=209669;type=avatar)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: gabbbe on Wed, 02 January 2019, 21:25:52
I must say one thing: this is one of the best looking keycaps I ever seen but I’d really really love them if it had Icon Mods. Any chance to add?


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None.

Anyway,it's an amazing keyset
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 02 January 2019, 21:36:40
Apologies for being so direct, but it saves us some time. I just don't have plans to add any extra kit to the set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 02 January 2019, 21:55:13
Apologies for being so direct, but it saves us some time. I just don't have plans to add any extra kit to the set.

Looks amazing. I'm buying it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: gabbbe on Wed, 02 January 2019, 22:22:58
Apologies for being so direct, but it saves us some time. I just don't have plans to add any extra kit to the set.

No worries at all. The keyset is amazing as it is and I'll probably purchase one myself.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Myth on Wed, 02 January 2019, 22:41:51
I have never seen a set of keycaps so perfectly capture the essence of ham. Well done.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 03 January 2019, 06:10:18
I've just received some GMK Jamón deskmat samples and they look fantastic, I really like the result and how the colors look like. Once I get samples from GMK, I'll try to take some pics to see how they look together. The hexagon red looks awesome and could be used with blue sets like Nautilus too.

The other one is also superb and looks fantastic with red keyboards.

(https://i.imgur.com/pZQ4ZSG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/itguPKJ.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 05 January 2019, 16:23:16
Final hours to send your suggestions! Kits will be locked on January 6th and will be inmediatly sent to GMK for quoting.

(https://i.imgur.com/M9HfGGI.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: dyrdevil on Sat, 05 January 2019, 18:49:39
As much as I'd love to see some accent colors in the core kit, I think the way you've done it is the best way to keep the cost down.
I'd rather have a lower entry price than accents so I'm crossing my fingers for you.  GL!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy Coming Soon! [Small kit update]
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 06 January 2019, 14:15:25
Kits have been locked and sent to GMK. I'm currently updating OP and replacing the old kits for the tweaked ones.


(https://i.imgur.com/N1aeGOj.jpg)
Keycult No.1/65 Brass edition (https://keycult.io/products/no-1-65cuzn) with GMK Jamón.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 08 January 2019, 18:09:30
Got quotes from GMK. I'm going to tweak kits, most likely to have notable changes with the numpad kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 08 January 2019, 21:02:15
Got quotes from GMK. I'm going to tweak kits, most likely to have notable changes with the numpad kit.

Is it because standalone kit prices are very high? Curious as to what the insight is. Look forward to the update.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 08 January 2019, 21:21:54
Got quotes from GMK. I'm going to tweak kits, most likely to have notable changes with the numpad kit.

Is it because standalone kit prices are very high? Curious as to what the insight is. Look forward to the update.

Not exactly that, pricing was reasonable but since it had all those extra keys and the 100 MOQ the difference was notable (which is actually an unfair/distorted comparison).

After comparing pricing before and after making these adjustments I'm talking about, I think the tweaked kits are better for everyone.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 09 January 2019, 07:16:15
Good day everybody,

Remember that you can still vote for METAL KEYCAPS if you haven't yet. (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development?mode=guest_open)

Here is a list of all the changes I've done:
- Core: removed R3 Pg Up, R4 Pg Dn, second Tab, 2x 1.50U R4 Code. This has little impact regarding layout coverage, the only layout we could say is affected is the 65% Whitefox layout with R3 & R4 Page Up/Page Down. And those 1.50U Code keys could be replaced with novelties. The price change is noticeable compared with the previous iteration of this kit and by taking these compromises we can reach the goal I was aiming for since the very beginning of this project.
- Numpad: removed extra R1 row and double 0. We could also argue that this has also little impact regarding layout coverage because you could use the 4 F-Row bacon keys to replace the R1 keys I have removed, and not a lot of numpads have a 00 key.
- UK: added third ISO enter. Makes more sense to have the enter here, cost change is minimal, and we avoid having people with unused enters.
- Jamonelties: merged with Bacon Invasion. While this makes the kit more expensive, it gets us better pricing if the kit gets some traction.
- Pata Negra: removed ISO enter, since it's now a part of the UK ISO kit.

(https://i.imgur.com/wfmaAri.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RTP9Seu.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZtAl2Gm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MgIQuM9.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4tjq4wK.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/xyT92qa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/SbXySNv.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hcgb9O0.png)




Pues ya estaría.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Kerasan on Wed, 09 January 2019, 07:41:32
i'm ready

KMK Labs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: mimalik on Wed, 09 January 2019, 08:12:02
Def in, will be interesting to see how does the TKL and Numpad are priced in this drop? Current consensus is its cheaper to have as many keys in a set in GMK world. But I am hoping this set breaks that taboo as it will be nice to have purchasing options in GMK GBs as not everyone need all the keys in a large set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 09 January 2019, 08:36:59
Def in, will be interesting to see how does the TKL and Numpad are priced in this drop? Current consensus is its cheaper to have as many keys in a set in GMK world. But I am hoping this set breaks that taboo as it will be nice to have purchasing options in GMK GBs as not everyone need all the keys in a large set.

Per key, it is cheaper to bundle TKL + Numpad + ISO + non-standard together. But that doesn't mean that it is the most optimal solution, because not all people use numpads or ISO.  My idea this whole time has been loweing the entry point (Core).

Core @ 500 + Numpad @ 150 already costs less than many GMK core sets. The only case where you'd be noticing a price increase would be if you have a fullsize (which is already a subset for enthusiasts) ISO board.
As expected, these changes also benefit forties & split owners.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 09 January 2019, 09:12:29
What if you combined Jamonelties with Pata Negra instead of Bacon Invasion? Sorta impedes my ability to buy 4-6 bacon kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: mnpq.raven on Wed, 09 January 2019, 09:40:47
Hi Zambumon, do you have a MOQ for the N kit ?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 09 January 2019, 09:43:34
woohoo! something to look forward to next month!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Sent on Wed, 09 January 2019, 09:51:12
I want a board of bacon keys.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 09 January 2019, 10:19:42
What if you combined Jamonelties with Pata Negra instead of Bacon Invasion? Sorta impedes my ability to buy 4-6 bacon kits.

I evaluated both options. I personally prefer to bundle bacon and jamonelties together since they both work well with the beige accent keys and leave the grey mods aside.

Hi Zambumon, do you have a MOQ for the N kit ?

Currently, the MOQ for all the novelty kits is 100 units each
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: DasGnome on Wed, 09 January 2019, 11:26:55
What's the reasoning behind 4 R1 bacon strips and 2 R1 eggs? Doesn't really matter if it hardly effects the price, but it seems a bit excessive
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 09 January 2019, 11:34:33
What's the reasoning behind 4 R1 bacon strips and 2 R1 eggs? Doesn't really matter if it hardly effects the price, but it seems a bit excessive

So you can replace an F-Row block with just bacon. When you think about bacon and eggs you don't think about a single strip of bacon and just one lonely egg...

(https://i.imgur.com/A6WN6r4.jpg)


It has little impact in pricing since those are all 1U keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: derznation on Wed, 09 January 2019, 11:47:10
What's the reasoning behind 4 R1 bacon strips and 2 R1 eggs? Doesn't really matter if it hardly effects the price, but it seems a bit excessive

So you can replace an F-Row block with just bacon. When you think about bacon and eggs you don't think about a single strip of bacon and just one lonely egg...

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/A6WN6r4.jpg)



It has little impact in pricing since those are all 1U keycaps.

GOOD ANSWER GOOD ANSWER
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 09 January 2019, 21:08:26
You have my attention...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: LevelSteam on Wed, 09 January 2019, 23:01:32
Looks great! So hyped for this group buy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: pikku-allu on Thu, 10 January 2019, 05:39:41
A R1 1u backspace and a R4 1.25u blank for the split kit would be a nice addition.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: mnpq.raven on Thu, 10 January 2019, 06:56:17
A R1 1u backspace and a R4 1.25u blank for the split kit would be a nice addition.
The kits were locked yesterday so i doubt Zambumon can make any changes from now on
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 10 January 2019, 07:40:45
A R1 1u backspace and a R4 1.25u blank for the split kit would be a nice addition.
The kits were locked yesterday so i doubt Zambumon can make any changes from now on

And we have been on the IC stage for several months now, and I think there was plenty of time to make suggestions before the kits were locked.

Anyways, kits are definitely locked but I can talk about why those two keys aren't a part of the 40s kit:

- R1 1U backspace: this is actually a recuring discussion about that key. In particular when we talk about the Preonic keyboard, I'm not 100% sure if it was on this thread or with Nautilus Nightmares (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97325.0) but this is my stance regarding that key, at least for the 40% layouts, and also fullsize keyboards.

For fullsize keyboards (or 60%) we are talking about a subset of people that when they split their backspace don't use the 1.5U backspace key but rather a 1.00U R1 backspace, similar to people that use stepped control. That group of people is very small, and for those cases a Novelty key could be used. In fact, you could use two Bacon novelties for symmetry if you want to.

For 40% keyboards, well more like for a Preonic which is a 50%, I do not agree with Jack's default layout at all, since it kinda goes against the principle the Planck had which was to have all the keys closer and avoid moving your hands around. I think the default layout of the Preonic should use a R2 Backspace, just like the Planck, and use the R1 as a number row.

Regarding the 1.25U blank. Neither the Preonic, Planck, Minorca, JD40, Quark, Sebright, Vortex Core, or Percebe use it, it hasn't been suggested until now, and that key was removed months ago when I posted the kit overhaul and I already was counting that people could use novelties instead.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: pikku-allu on Fri, 11 January 2019, 06:40:51
And we have been on the IC stage for several months now, and I think there was plenty of time to make suggestions before the kits were locked.

Anyways, kits are definitely locked but I can talk about why those two keys aren't a part of the 40s kit:

- R1 1U backspace: this is actually a recuring discussion about that key. In particular when we talk about the Preonic keyboard, I'm not 100% sure if it was on this thread or with Nautilus Nightmares (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97325.0) but this is my stance regarding that key, at least for the 40% layouts, and also fullsize keyboards.

For fullsize keyboards (or 60%) we are talking about a subset of people that when they split their backspace don't use the 1.5U backspace key but rather a 1.00U R1 backspace, similar to people that use stepped control. That group of people is very small, and for those cases a Novelty key could be used. In fact, you could use two Bacon novelties for symmetry if you want to.

For 40% keyboards, well more like for a Preonic which is a 50%, I do not agree with Jack's default layout at all, since it kinda goes against the principle the Planck had which was to have all the keys closer and avoid moving your hands around. I think the default layout of the Preonic should use a R2 Backspace, just like the Planck, and use the R1 as a number row.

Regarding the 1.25U blank. Neither the Preonic, Planck, Minorca, JD40, Quark, Sebright, Vortex Core, or Percebe use it, it hasn't been suggested until now, and that key was removed months ago when I posted the kit overhaul and I already was counting that people could use novelties instead.

I completely understand.

I just happen to be in the small group of people who like to split the backspace. I'd probably use the 1.5u backspace above the ANSI enter key if I used that layout, but I prefer ISO (even smaller minority). In that regard, Nautilus Nightmares is looking really good.

With the 1.25u blank I was thinking about full split spacebar support for bigger form factor boards (usually with 60% and up) with the common 2.75u + 1.25u + 2.25u combination, to create a unified aesthetic look:

(http://i.imgur.com/Sqn88Oz.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 15 January 2019, 17:50:01
Just like Jamón's Core kit, I've decided to go with the minimalistic route for its packaging.

(https://i.imgur.com/ahuqIv6.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/gkQs65f.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: RamenTechMech on Tue, 15 January 2019, 17:54:48
Just like Jamón's Core kit, I've decided to go with the minimalistic route for its packaging.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ahuqIv6.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/gkQs65f.png)


This is great  :) :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: dyrdevil on Tue, 15 January 2019, 18:24:49
Just like Jamón's Core kit, I've decided to go with the minimalistic route for its packaging.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ahuqIv6.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/gkQs65f.png)


LOVE
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 15 January 2019, 18:29:07
Just like Jamón's Core kit, I've decided to go with the minimalistic route for its packaging.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ahuqIv6.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/gkQs65f.png)


Eggcelent :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Lepr3chaun on Tue, 15 January 2019, 22:57:37
Looks Great.. really like the box.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: LevelSteam on Sat, 19 January 2019, 20:21:58
Can we just submit the order now and get a jump on production?  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 19 January 2019, 20:27:49
OMG that box looks nice! I think i want to grab some bacon now  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: _GMK_ on Sun, 20 January 2019, 03:34:27
Really nice, but the ISO kit is too big... Why don't you put in it just one enter, one 1u R3 and R4 key?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: hndle on Sun, 20 January 2019, 05:25:50
yok red pandas + gmk Jamón = already hot
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Sleepy_Badger on Sun, 20 January 2019, 05:33:02
this color way reminds me of Coke w/ vanilla lol  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 20 January 2019, 07:17:38
Really nice, but the ISO kit is too big... Why don't you put in it just one enter, one 1u R3 and R4 key?

I'll get complains regardless of what I do with ISO, so this time I chose to give full ISO UK support. The combined price of Core + ISO is lower than other GMK Base kits. Each accent kit doesn't add that much to the price.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 07:48:34
Really nice, but the ISO kit is too big... Why don't you put in it just one enter, one 1u R3 and R4 key?

Issue with ISO support is that there is no support from its users. Look at the recent drop MT3 Godspeed for example. Out of the thousands of kits sold, the UK kit got 60/100 to hit MOQ and that was $13 add-on. Vote with your wallets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: _GMK_ on Sun, 20 January 2019, 09:16:54
Really nice, but the ISO kit is too big... Why don't you put in it just one enter, one 1u R3 and R4 key?

Issue with ISO support is that there is no support from its users. Look at the recent drop MT3 Godspeed for example. Out of the thousands of kits sold, the UK kit got 60/100 to hit MOQ and that was $13 add-on. Vote with your wallets.

That's massdrop. When you buy from them you have to pay 35% of import taxes (vat plus custom duty).

Three keys for ISO, when added to the main set, don't cost more that 3 usd (enter plus two 1u keys), and consider that a short left shift should be available by default because it's very handy also if you don't have iso, since you add one key to the keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 20 January 2019, 09:20:54
35% of import taxes (vat plus custom duty).

What country is that? I pay 19% VAT in Germany
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 09:24:20
Really nice, but the ISO kit is too big... Why don't you put in it just one enter, one 1u R3 and R4 key?

Issue with ISO support is that there is no support from its users. Look at the recent drop MT3 Godspeed for example. Out of the thousands of kits sold, the UK kit got 60/100 to hit MOQ and that was $13 add-on. Vote with your wallets.

That's massdrop. When you buy from them you have to pay 35% of import taxes (vat plus custom duty).

Three keys for ISO, when added to the main set, don't cost more that 3 usd (enter plus two 1u keys), and consider that a short left shift should be available by default because it's very handy also if you don't have iso, since you add one key to the keyboard.

Wanna take a guess where this set is going to drop?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: _GMK_ on Sun, 20 January 2019, 09:42:59
Really nice, but the ISO kit is too big... Why don't you put in it just one enter, one 1u R3 and R4 key?

Issue with ISO support is that there is no support from its users. Look at the recent drop MT3 Godspeed for example. Out of the thousands of kits sold, the UK kit got 60/100 to hit MOQ and that was $13 add-on. Vote with your wallets.

That's massdrop. When you buy from them you have to pay 35% of import taxes (vat plus custom duty).

Three keys for ISO, when added to the main set, don't cost more that 3 usd (enter plus two 1u keys), and consider that a short left shift should be available by default because it's very handy also if you don't have iso, since you add one key to the keyboard.

Wanna take a guess where this set is going to drop?

Massdrop? Won't buy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 20 January 2019, 10:39:37
Really nice, but the ISO kit is too big... Why don't you put in it just one enter, one 1u R3 and R4 key?

Issue with ISO support is that there is no support from its users. Look at the recent drop MT3 Godspeed for example. Out of the thousands of kits sold, the UK kit got 60/100 to hit MOQ and that was $13 add-on. Vote with your wallets.

That's massdrop. When you buy from them you have to pay 35% of import taxes (vat plus custom duty).

Three keys for ISO, when added to the main set, don't cost more that 3 usd (enter plus two 1u keys), and consider that a short left shift should be available by default because it's very handy also if you don't have iso, since you add one key to the keyboard.


I am perfectly aware that purchasing products from the US can get expensive, and can be particularly frustrating since these keycaps will be made in Europe. However, "That's because it's sold by Massdrop" and you get hit by import taxes is not the only reason why people in Europe aren't purchasing keycap sets.

First of all, the lack of ISO supporters is not isolated to Massdrop. Let's take GMK Chocolatier as an example: less than 6% of the purchases of GMK Chocolatier came from Europe, and we had an European proxy.  For sets done at Massdrop, there has been an historic overwhelming majority of between 92% and 96% of people that are not interested in ISO (sources: MT3 Godspeed, SA Pulse, SA Chocolatier,  SA Carbon by comparing the Alpha kits purchased vs UK+Norde kits) that's because North America, China, South Korea, and South East Asia are a large part of this community and they just use ANSI.

Secondly, my personal preference for this set was to offer UK-ISO, and have the ISO enter key with all the available accents. For other sets, with other vendors, I would go with a reduced version, but not for this one. Adding each of the accents supposed a minimal price change that people with an ISO keyboard won't mind, since by doing it they no longer have to get and ISO kit + a novelty kit if they want an accent ISO enter. 1.25U shift is used by 40% and ISO users. Just like people with 2.00U shifts, if they have a non-standard ANSI layout that uses a 1.25u shift, I have bundled all of them with the "Forties and Split" kit for that reason, I think it's more convienient for the majority of people.

My base kit isn't perfect, none of them are. Its design depends on my personal goals, the interest there is on the, its vendors, time of the year, and of course the theme. I've also been obsessed with making GMK's life (not you, the company) easy, either by making sure that all the kits I present will hit MOQ, improve their color matching procedures, talk with them about possible suggestions for future sets. Over the past 6 months, I've focused on finding solutions to reduce the ammount of "wasted keycaps", a problem many recent base sets have. I want GMK to avoid making more keycaps than needed, because that means we are wasting valuable production time and plastic for keycaps that will never be used.


Finally, I've been very clear since the very beginning that my goal for this set was making it through Massdrop, and since you have expressed that you won't buy the product, sadly anything I do to accomodate you is going to be pointless.

Also, I've noticed that your name is _GMK_ and it's really misleading because your account isn't affiliated in any way with GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 20 January 2019, 10:42:17
>complains about set
>says they won't buy it regardless because it's on md

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 20 January 2019, 11:26:13
>complains about set
>says they won't buy it regardless because it's on md

 :rolleyes:

Some people, man
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: megaforce93 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 11:51:47
boost

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 20 January 2019, 12:07:53
Really nice, but the ISO kit is too big... Why don't you put in it just one enter, one 1u R3 and R4 key?

Issue with ISO support is that there is no support from its users. Look at the recent drop MT3 Godspeed for example. Out of the thousands of kits sold, the UK kit got 60/100 to hit MOQ and that was $13 add-on. Vote with your wallets.

That's massdrop. When you buy from them you have to pay 35% of import taxes (vat plus custom duty).

Three keys for ISO, when added to the main set, don't cost more that 3 usd (enter plus two 1u keys), and consider that a short left shift should be available by default because it's very handy also if you don't have iso, since you add one key to the keyboard.

Wanna take a guess where this set is going to drop?

Massdrop? Won't buy.

Checks name, seems legit  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: _GMK_ on Sun, 20 January 2019, 12:26:48
Finding a packet forwarding service or a proxy could be the solution. Any suggestion?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:12:08



ne halal jamon avial

I actually just died. Hahahaha.
Get your hiragana **** outta here along with your flower skirt.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:15:24
Finding a packet forwarding service or a proxy could be the solution. Any suggestion?

Package forwarding does not circumvent customs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:51:04
Finding a packet forwarding service or a proxy could be the solution. Any suggestion?

Package forwarding does not circumvent customs.

^ And if Oblotzky and I are correct, the import duty tariff applied to keycaps should be 0% (http://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm?productCode=847330&country=US), you'll have to pay the VAT + service charges regardless.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: megaforce93 on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:29:33



ne halal jamon avial

I actually just died. Hahahaha.
Get your hiragana **** outta here along with your flower skirt.

coward infidels
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 20 January 2019, 17:29:47
Finding a packet forwarding service or a proxy could be the solution. Any suggestion?

You've already said you wouldn't buy this, so not sure why you are still here even.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE]
Post by: mnpq.raven on Mon, 21 January 2019, 07:14:31



ne halal jamon avial

I actually just died. Hahahaha.
Get your hiragana **** outta here along with your flower skirt.
>not understanding banter
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 21 January 2019, 12:36:44
(https://i.imgur.com/j3RUFk0.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: megaforce93 on Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:36:52



ne halal jamon avial

I actually just died. Hahahaha.
Get your hiragana **** outta here along with your flower skirt.
>not understanding banter

dw figured anyone with aariana grande icon sniffs glue :^)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:26:57
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/j3RUFk0.jpg)


Thanks holtenc! Your Prime_E (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98580.0) looks great with GMK Jamón!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:57:41
Just found out that this is Year of Pig for Chinese New Year starting Feb 6...stars are aligned for this drop.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:04:28
Just found out that this is Year of Pig for Chinese New Year starting Feb 6...stars are aligned for this drop.

:cool: 2019 Year of the pig, otherwise it wouldn't be the pinnacle of keyset development!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Tue, 22 January 2019, 01:21:20



ne halal jamon avial

I actually just died. Hahahaha.
Get your hiragana **** outta here along with your flower skirt.
>not understanding banter

dw figured anyone with aariana grande icon sniffs glue :^)
Moved on from glue long ago. Epoxy is where it's at.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 22 January 2019, 01:23:01
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/j3RUFk0.jpg)


Another use for that extra B key, nice!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: onefivenine on Tue, 22 January 2019, 02:53:04
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/j3RUFk0.jpg)


Another use for that extra B key, nice!

Haha didn't realize the 40s/split kit had the extra B key until you mentioned it. Love it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 22 January 2019, 03:20:42
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/j3RUFk0.jpg)


Another use for that extra B key, nice!

Haha didn't realize the 40s/split kit had the extra B key until you mentioned it. Love it!

It's a small detail to add ergo users some incentive to get that kit, as it isn't particularly small compared to the spacebars one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 22 January 2019, 08:19:13
GMK has confirmed that Jamón samples have arrived. According to them, both reds should be spot on with the color codes provided and will be shipped tomorrow.

If everything goes well, we should have them before the group buy starts.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: derznation on Tue, 22 January 2019, 10:51:31
GMK has confirmed that Jamón samples have arrived. According to them, both reds should be spot on with the color codes provided and will be shipped tomorrow.

If everything goes well, we should have them before the group buy starts.

Sorry if I missed this but I can't seem to find when GB is planned to start, when is the planned start date?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 22 January 2019, 11:02:15
In Feb.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 22 January 2019, 11:31:00
February 2019, if you vote for the set (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development), Massdrop will notify you right before it goes live so you won't miss the drop!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: derznation on Tue, 22 January 2019, 11:54:31
February 2019, if you vote for the set (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development), Massdrop will notify you right before it goes live so you won't miss the drop!

Thanks! Looks like the poll is closed but I'll keep my eyes on MD.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:07:07
February 2019, if you vote for the set (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development), Massdrop will notify you right before it goes live so you won't miss the drop!

Thanks! Looks like the poll is closed but I'll keep my eyes on MD.

:O I didn't know that! That's a good sign!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: derznation on Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:11:10
February 2019, if you vote for the set (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development), Massdrop will notify you right before it goes live so you won't miss the drop!

Thanks! Looks like the poll is closed but I'll keep my eyes on MD.

:O I didn't know that! That's a good sign!

Nevermind, I'm an idiot.  I already voted a few weeks ago :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:17:44
February 2019, if you vote for the set (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development), Massdrop will notify you right before it goes live so you won't miss the drop!

Thanks! Looks like the poll is closed but I'll keep my eyes on MD.

:O I didn't know that! That's a good sign!

Nevermind, I'm an idiot.  I already voted a few weeks ago :)

I think that they've actually closed the poll, before you could update your vote if you wanted to change your preferred kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: derznation on Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:34:09
February 2019, if you vote for the set (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Jam-n-The-pinnacle-of-keycap-development), Massdrop will notify you right before it goes live so you won't miss the drop!

Thanks! Looks like the poll is closed but I'll keep my eyes on MD.

:O I didn't know that! That's a good sign!

Nevermind, I'm an idiot.  I already voted a few weeks ago :)

I think that they've actually closed the poll, before you could update your vote if you wanted to change your preferred kits.

I'm sad so few voted for the novelties, I want eggs and bacon on my board  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: onefivenine on Tue, 22 January 2019, 18:16:45
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/j3RUFk0.jpg)


Another use for that extra B key, nice!

Haha didn't realize the 40s/split kit had the extra B key until you mentioned it. Love it!

It's a small detail to add ergo users some incentive to get that kit, as it isn't particularly small compared to the spacebars one.

Much appreciated. Will be getting many kits with this set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:05:38
Much appreciated. Will be getting many kits with this set.
I'm going to ñ the crap out of a keyblade and name it Ñcalibur, on top of other kits.
Or Masamuñe
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 23 January 2019, 03:53:35
Much appreciated. Will be getting many kits with this set.
I'm going to ñ the crap out of a keyblade and name it Ñcalibur, on top of other kits.
Or Masamuñe

Tizona (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizona) is probably the most famous sword in Spain.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: snelltrail on Wed, 23 January 2019, 04:26:32
Much appreciated. Will be getting many kits with this set.
I'm going to ñ the crap out of a keyblade and name it Ñcalibur, on top of other kits.
Or Masamuñe

Tizona (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizona) is probably the most famous sword in Spain.

Soooooooo Tizoña then? :P
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:54:36
Received samples from GMK, I'll try to post some decent pics soon. We've finalized color sampling  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: derznation on Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:55:56
Received samples from GMK, I'll try to post some decent pics soon. We've finalized color sampling  :thumb:

Woooo!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 24 January 2019, 13:14:05
Received samples from GMK, I'll try to post some decent pics soon. We've finalized color sampling  :thumb:

Please provide proof of 100% pure white balanced and color-correct images.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 24 January 2019, 13:49:14
Here is a [Flickr Album](https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/albums/72157678049786838) with some pics of GMK Jamón color samples.




(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7925/39898839993_1a880f94e5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23MHZ5n)GMK Jamón Samples (https://flic.kr/p/23MHZ5n) by zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4855/39898904073_07c3e39833_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23MJj8c)GMK Jamón Samples (https://flic.kr/p/23MJj8c) by zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7888/46863508701_ac49a281a8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2epaJrk)GMK Jamón Samples (https://flic.kr/p/2epaJrk) by zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4827/39898887823_23d0858fd1_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23MJei2)GMK Jamón Samples (https://flic.kr/p/23MJei2) by zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7890/32988233138_ba039d4934_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Sg4jqj)GMK Jamón Samples (https://flic.kr/p/Sg4jqj) by zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7887/45949061315_bdc4fc6a16_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2d1mX66)GMK Jamón Samples (https://flic.kr/p/2d1mX66) by zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)

The samples are spot on with the color codes provided and compared to the renders, the samples have more saturation, this is specially noticeable with the modifiers.

As I commented back in December, with the new render setup I'm getting less saturated colors, now that I have decent pictures I can use for reference, I'll tweak all the drop page renders and replace them with new more accurate ones.

For reference: this is how the Core is at the moment:

(https://i.imgur.com/wfmaAri.png)

And this old render has red modifiers which are close to the samples:

(https://i.imgur.com/enkvhfr.jpg)


Comparisson with standard GMK Colors:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7878/32988225478_a8f24e5beb_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Sg4h9f)GMK Jamón Samples (https://flic.kr/p/Sg4h9f) by zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4838/46138587604_c239df70b5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2di7jDJ)GMK Jamón Samples (https://flic.kr/p/2di7jDJ) by zambumon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142001978@N05/)


Before having samples I was having doubts on wether we should be using P3 and R01 or request custom colors. While the differences are subtle, they are noticeable enough for me to select in both cases custom colors for this set. Here is why:

- Alphas: 020 30 48 vs R01: the differences are subtle, I just like the custom color more, it's more vibrant.
- Modifiers: 030 40 60 vs P3: P3 was too "orangy", the custom color we are going for is an insanely good red.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: mimalik on Thu, 24 January 2019, 14:10:08
The difference in P3 to custom color is considerable, I dont notice that much difference in R01 and its couterpart (may be its just me), but the custom colour combination looks much better. Good call on P3. Looking fwd to this drop. My wallet has been crying since amazing drops from q3 2018, but this and Samurai Blue and no more GMK for me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 24 January 2019, 14:14:54
The difference in P3 to custom color is considerable, I dont notice that much difference in R01 and its couterpart (may be its just me), but the custom colour combination looks much better. Good call on P3. Looking fwd to this drop. My wallet has been crying since amazing drops from q3 2018, but this and Samurai Blue and no more GMK for me.

The difference with R01 and the custom color is more noticeable IRL, and as you said, it has a better match with the mods. Since we have both colors, and we know how accurate GMK is, it shouldn't be an issue to use this custom one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: mimalik on Thu, 24 January 2019, 15:04:40
If you have time available and feel like it, any possibilty of few renders on full size KB in black?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: mnpq.raven on Thu, 24 January 2019, 15:30:19
That's some sick samples, defo will build a couple meme C boards lol. You always deliver Zambumon !
Edit: talk about Ñ, is there a estimated price point for it ? I do hope it'll not be as expensive as other addon kits like Novelties as it's just a normal key being printed 25 times but i could be wrong, really hope it's affordable as i'll be getting a ton of them!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 24 January 2019, 16:24:43
If you have time available and feel like it, any possibilty of few renders on full size KB in black?

Old render!

(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/q100_1.png)

That's some sick samples, defo will build a couple meme C boards lol. You always deliver Zambumon !
Edit: talk about Ñ, is there a estimated price point for it ? I do hope it'll not be as expensive as other addon kits like Novelties as it's just a normal key being printed 25 times but i could be wrong, really hope it's affordable as i'll be getting a ton of them!

It's a decent size kit, but it will fairly inexpensive.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: snelltrail on Thu, 24 January 2019, 16:25:22
It's funny, after saying previously that I was unsure about the less saturated renders, I actually now prefer them to the originals! :rolleyes:

The more saturated samples still look fantastic though, very excited for this one to drop :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 24 January 2019, 17:47:38
looking really nice, cant wait for this and bento
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: snelltrail on Thu, 24 January 2019, 19:10:34
looking really nice, cant wait for this and bento

Aaaaall the food-themed keysets haha. Gonna be hard not to eat my keeb...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 25 January 2019, 07:33:39
If you have time available and feel like it, any possibilty of few renders on full size KB in black?

Old render!

Show Image
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/q100_1.png)



Thank you, love it, Feb is gonna be an expansive month, but so looking fwd to it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: LevelSteam on Fri, 25 January 2019, 15:29:49
I was worried about the colors a bit when the renders got tweaked to better match the samples, but those custom colors are absolutely gorgeous! I'll be in for all the kits.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 25 January 2019, 16:08:34
I was worried about the colors a bit when the renders got tweaked to better match the samples, but those custom colors are absolutely gorgeous! I'll be in for all the kits.  :thumb:

 :eek:that's a lot of keycaps. Thanks for the support for this set so far!

I'll update today all the renders and replace them with somethat are a little bit better than the current ones.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 25 January 2019, 17:23:17
Updating OP with new renders and examples:

(https://i.imgur.com/17WRDxI.png)

Core
Jamón is built around its Core kit, which is the starting point for everyone. With just 116 keys, it provides coverage for most keyboards ranging from 60% to TKL form factors, including those with a WKL bottom row, split backspace, or stepped caps lock.
(https://i.imgur.com/uW3YgxP.png)


Numpad
The numpad extension kits adds layout support for 1800, 96-key, and full-sized keyboards. An accent Enter key and extra compatibility keys have been included.
(https://i.imgur.com/BEbWt4D.png)


UK ISO
A small extension kit that adds UK layout support for international layouts. The kit comes with two ISO Enter accent keys, and an extra R1 1.00U `¬ key for color symmetry purposes.
(https://i.imgur.com/1CmrgHt.png)


Forties & Split
The Forties & Split kit was designed with two purposes. The first one is to provide layout support for ortholinear and other 40% keyboards, such as Planck, Vortex Core, or Percebe.
The second one is to add all the necessary keys, including a second B that many of them use, for ergonomic and split keyboards.
(https://i.imgur.com/9jXdEhD.png)


Spacebars
The spacebar kit provides a set of accent 2.00U, 2.25U, 2.75U, 6.25U and 7.00U spacebars. Additionally, it extends Jamón’s layout compatibility by including two 6.00U spacebars (one with a center stem and another with an off-center one) so you could cover an Uniqey C70, and Cherry G80-1800 boards.
(https://i.imgur.com/H7OSYR3.png)


Jamonelties
A novelty kit with a set of accent arrows, Esc, and Enter keys, a R3 Ñ with ANSI sublegends, and two Jamón related custom keycaps. The kit also comes with four F-Row bacon strips, eggs, and bottom row bacon modifiers.
(https://i.imgur.com/SamgBl3.png)


Pata Negra
Pata Negra is a term commonly used to refer to high quality cured ham from black Iberian pigs. This novelty kit offers an alternative set of dark accent keys and three novelties (acorn, pig, and jamón).
(https://i.imgur.com/YH2zbQ7.png)


Eñe Survival Kit
A set of 25 doubleshot Ñ keys, from R1 to R4, scooped key included, so you’ll never run out of them.
(https://i.imgur.com/l4gwe81.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/fQYJUN6.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/DpIUdtr.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Am7ynw0.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [COLOR SAMPLES]
Post by: RamenTechMech on Fri, 25 January 2019, 17:25:05
 :eek: :p :eek: :p :thumb:

Good! Very Good!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: keebitup on Mon, 28 January 2019, 08:23:34
My wallet is ready! Am I the only one thinking about 2xtime ene survival + forties + pata negra (for R1) to cover a planck?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 28 January 2019, 08:56:13
Actuakly, you would only need just two Eñe kits!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: constexpr on Mon, 28 January 2019, 16:52:06
Just to confirm: you've considered R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn (extended 65% support) and have decided against it?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 28 January 2019, 17:01:04
Just to confirm: you've considered R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn (extended 65% support) and have decided against it?

Want this too. I almost exclusively use 65% :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Mon, 28 January 2019, 17:06:09
Samples and kits look good to me! Swore I would never do another GMK red set with how different Burgundy turned out from its renders, but this is growing on me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 28 January 2019, 17:39:51
Just to confirm: you've considered R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn (extended 65% support) and have decided against it?

Want this too. I almost exclusively use 65% :)

They were considered, and a part of the initial December 2018 update. However, they were removed with the January update. Otherwise we wouldn't get the pricing we got, and every penny count when you want to set up a set with multiple extension kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 28 January 2019, 17:41:30
Samples and kits look good to me! Swore I would never do another GMK red set with how different Burgundy turned out from its renders, but this is growing on me.

I like these over R02 (the color used for Burgundy). The custom color we are going with, while its difference is very subtle, it matches better with the mods than R02. I'm super excited to see the final product.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: constexpr on Mon, 28 January 2019, 17:44:05
They were considered, and a part of the initial December 2018 update. However, they were removed with the January update. Otherwise we wouldn't get the pricing we got, and every penny count when you want to set up a set with multiple extension kits.
Understandable. I'll live.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: keebitup on Fri, 01 February 2019, 01:12:12
Actuakly, you would only need just two Eñe kits!
Even better, I miscounted the columns. Two Eñe kits might actually be the cheapest one could have a GMK full ortho planck, ever. And the profile would be r1-r4, and not r2-r4r4 like otherwise, interesting!
Will still go for the Pata negra + forties for "flavor" (and 2u spacebar). The set looks amazing, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 01 February 2019, 05:30:16
Now that DZ is done n Feb is here, when is it dropping? Cant wait anymore  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 06:07:56
Now that DZ is done n Feb is here, when is it dropping? Cant wait anymore  :eek:

Find out today.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 09:51:17
Price reveal in 10 minutes.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: RamenTechMech on Fri, 01 February 2019, 09:52:56
Price reveal in 10 minutes.

 :eek: :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: LXVRGS on Fri, 01 February 2019, 10:01:47
the new renders look so good!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: RamenTechMech on Fri, 01 February 2019, 10:15:11
oh man guys!! GB is in 3 days!!   :eek: :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - Group Buy In February [NEW RENDERS]
Post by: Gati on Fri, 01 February 2019, 10:22:31
Price reveal in 10 minutes.
[attach=1]

That’s a long siesta
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 10:23:08
oh man guys!! GB is in 3 days!!   :eek: :cool:

 :-\ Yes! The drop should be public in a couple minutes. I was taking a siesta.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: LXVRGS on Fri, 01 February 2019, 10:35:04
oh man guys!! GB is in 3 days!!   :eek: :cool:

 :-\ Yes! The drop should be public in a couple minutes. I was taking a siesta.

eating too much jamón eh?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 10:46:40
Zambumon did an oopsie.


https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-jamon-custom-keycap-set

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-jamon-custom-keycap-set

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-jamon-custom-keycap-set
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 01 February 2019, 11:08:47
oh man guys!! GB is in 3 days!!   :eek: :cool:

 :-\ Yes! The drop should be public in a couple minutes. I was taking a siesta.

The concept of siesta should be introduced in Canada, I know Americans will have riots against it if they find found this exists. By the way is the drop starting on 4th or today?  As going public in few mins gives impression that we will be able to purchase it shortly, atleast thats how I see it.

Either way thanks for bringing this to life, great work in creativity on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 11:11:00
Kit pricing:

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-jamon-custom-keycap-set/FP/3C0xFZhYROWbkVnSpZtu_community.jpg)

$99.99 @ 500  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Fri, 01 February 2019, 11:39:44
White accents got moved to jamonelties? I'm guessing this happened some time ago and I must've missed it. A shame, looks like I'm sitting this one out. Might get a couple ene survival kits still.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: derznation on Fri, 01 February 2019, 11:42:17
Kit pricing:

Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-jamon-custom-keycap-set/FP/3C0xFZhYROWbkVnSpZtu_community.jpg)


$99.99 @ 500  :D

Hot damn nice job keeping the prices low! 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 11:46:32
White accents got moved to jamonelties? I'm guessing this happened some time ago and I must've missed it. A shame, looks like I'm sitting this one out. Might get a couple ene survival kits still.

It gives more flexibility.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: mgsickler on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:28:13
Here we go people. It's happening.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:35:14
Quote
A Spanish Delicacy, Made in Germany

Wrong tagline, boycotting.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:38:31
White accents got moved to jamonelties? I'm guessing this happened some time ago and I must've missed it. A shame, looks like I'm sitting this one out. Might get a couple ene survival kits still.

A bit harsh for 1 key. But if you dont like it then you dont like it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:42:44
In case if I missed it in previous posts, whts the significance behined Ene survival kit? Its growing on me and may go 2 of those to cover my full size board, besides tkl. numpad and jamonalities.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:43:04
White accents got moved to jamonelties? I'm guessing this happened some time ago and I must've missed it. A shame, looks like I'm sitting this one out. Might get a couple ene survival kits still.

A bit harsh for 1 key. But if you dont like it then you dont like it.

I think he isn't counting with price breaks. From the 250 to 500 MOQ there's a 15 USD price drop, that's a lot, and it's similar with the Jamonelties, there's an 8 USD price drop from 150 to 250.  For 100 + 39.99 you get a base kit and a decently sized novelty kit. And that's not an optimistic estimation.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:46:25
In case if I missed it in previous posts, whts the significance behined Ene survival kit? Its growing on me and may go 2 of those to cover my full size board, besides tkl. numpad and jamonalities.

It's a reference to the April Fools post that started all. That's also why the poll is titled "GMK Jamón - The pinnacle of keyset development"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhCix6Gjw7b/
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:47:36
Quote
A Spanish Delicacy, Made in Germany

Wrong tagline, boycotting.

Please consider splitting Numpad based on Jamón's performance.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:48:34
White accents got moved to jamonelties? I'm guessing this happened some time ago and I must've missed it. A shame, looks like I'm sitting this one out. Might get a couple ene survival kits still.

A bit harsh for 1 key. But if you dont like it then you dont like it.

I think he isn't counting with price breaks. From the 250 to 500 MOQ there's a 15 USD price drop, that's a lot, and it's similar with the Jamonelties, there's an 8 USD price drop from 150 to 250.  For 100 + 39.99 you get a base kit and a decently sized novelty kit. And that's not an optimistic estimation.
I'm sorry if it came off as passive aggressive and/or harsh. I rarely have any ill-intent towards anyone in this community, and my post was not an exception to that. Zam is right that I wasn't considering price breaks. I voiced my opinion because the rest of the jamonelties don't interest me, just the accent enter and esc do. Zam is also right that by setting up the kits as they are that there is more flexibility; it just happens that the flexibility does not apply in my use case scenario, which doesn't make his statement false for the greater community. I will say that i perhaps jumped the gun and should have waited to see what moqs were hit once the group buy had a week or so to run, but then again, it would no longer be in IC phase. No hard feelings intended.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 01 February 2019, 13:01:37
White accents got moved to jamonelties? I'm guessing this happened some time ago and I must've missed it. A shame, looks like I'm sitting this one out. Might get a couple ene survival kits still.

A bit harsh for 1 key. But if you dont like it then you dont like it.


I think he isn't counting with price breaks. From the 250 to 500 MOQ there's a 15 USD price drop, that's a lot, and it's similar with the Jamonelties, there's an 8 USD price drop from 150 to 250.  For 100 + 39.99 you get a base kit and a decently sized novelty kit. And that's not an optimistic estimation.
I'm sorry if it came off as passive aggressive and/or harsh. I rarely have any ill-intent towards anyone in this community, and my post was not an exception to that. Zam is right that I wasn't considering price breaks. I voiced my opinion because the rest of the jamonelties don't interest me, just the accent enter and esc do. Zam is also right that by setting up the kits as they are that there is more flexibility; it just happens that the flexibility does not apply in my use case scenario, which doesn't make his statement false for the greater community. I will say that i perhaps jumped the gun and should have waited to see what moqs were hit once the group buy had a week or so to run, but then again, it would no longer be in IC phase. No hard feelings intended.

To my fellow Cannuck, my appologies if I gave the impression that you gave harsh impression, we all understand when something like this happens. I feel the same about GMK Oblivion about Git+Hagoromo combination, but thats for another thread. I was trying to be a bit funny but failed at it as usual, hard to do it in text  :p :p :p :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Rumblehotep on Fri, 01 February 2019, 13:13:06
Oh the plans I have for this... 
Will you post links here to deskpads/clothing etc if those materialize?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: RamenTechMech on Fri, 01 February 2019, 13:25:20
Zambumon, would you be able to tell us how long this will run for?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 01 February 2019, 13:28:29
Oh the plans I have for this... 
Will you post links here to deskpads/clothing etc if those materialize?

Deskpads: Those should be done at https://novelkeys.xyz, keep an eye to their social media & newsletter.

Clothing: It was a joke.

Metal keycaps that people voted for when somebody added them by mistake to the poll: I've got you XOXO.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Fri, 01 February 2019, 21:04:02
White accents got moved to jamonelties? I'm guessing this happened some time ago and I must've missed it. A shame, looks like I'm sitting this one out. Might get a couple ene survival kits still.

A bit harsh for 1 key. But if you dont like it then you dont like it.


I think he isn't counting with price breaks. From the 250 to 500 MOQ there's a 15 USD price drop, that's a lot, and it's similar with the Jamonelties, there's an 8 USD price drop from 150 to 250.  For 100 + 39.99 you get a base kit and a decently sized novelty kit. And that's not an optimistic estimation.
I'm sorry if it came off as passive aggressive and/or harsh. I rarely have any ill-intent towards anyone in this community, and my post was not an exception to that. Zam is right that I wasn't considering price breaks. I voiced my opinion because the rest of the jamonelties don't interest me, just the accent enter and esc do. Zam is also right that by setting up the kits as they are that there is more flexibility; it just happens that the flexibility does not apply in my use case scenario, which doesn't make his statement false for the greater community. I will say that i perhaps jumped the gun and should have waited to see what moqs were hit once the group buy had a week or so to run, but then again, it would no longer be in IC phase. No hard feelings intended.

To my fellow Cannuck, my appologies if I gave the impression that you gave harsh impression, we all understand when something like this happens. I feel the same about GMK Oblivion about Git+Hagoromo combination, but thats for another thread. I was trying to be a bit funny but failed at it as usual, hard to do it in text 
<3 :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: keebitup on Fri, 01 February 2019, 23:40:38
I really like the pricing, lets hits those goals! One question about ene survival: does it have homing keys (and if yes, on which row)? Sorry for missing this in the IC phase
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 02 February 2019, 02:56:52
I really like the pricing, lets hits those goals! One question about ene survival: does it have homing keys (and if yes, on which row)? Sorry for missing this in the IC phase

The kit comes with a scooped homing key (R3)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: keebitup on Sat, 02 February 2019, 04:21:59
I really like the pricing, lets hits those goals! One question about ene survival: does it have homing keys (and if yes, on which row)? Sorry for missing this in the IC phase

The kit comes with a scooped homing key (R3)
Ok, so a 2x ene survival kit planck will have homing in the zxcv row, right? Is R2,R3,R4,R1 order usable on cherry? Otherwise I will likely not use homing (and use keys from fourties kit instead).
Could you make the description on the drop page more explicit? It could be interpreted as having one homing key per row (and the homing does not show much in the render). Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 02 February 2019, 04:27:59
I really like the pricing, lets hits those goals! One question about ene survival: does it have homing keys (and if yes, on which row)? Sorry for missing this in the IC phase

The kit comes with a scooped homing key (R3)
Ok, so a 2x ene survival kit planck will have homing in the zxcv row, right? Is R2,R3,R4,R1 order usable on cherry? Otherwise I will likely not use homing (and use keys from fourties kit instead).
Could you make the description on the drop page more explicit? It could be interpreted as having one homing key per row (and the homing does not show much in the render). Thanks!

Homing keys have always been R3, and it says "with a scooped key included" not "R1 to R4 with scoped keys included".  :-\
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: keebitup on Sat, 02 February 2019, 04:38:24
I really like the pricing, lets hits those goals! One question about ene survival: does it have homing keys (and if yes, on which row)? Sorry for missing this in the IC phase

The kit comes with a scooped homing key (R3)
Ok, so a 2x ene survival kit planck will have homing in the zxcv row, right? Is R2,R3,R4,R1 order usable on cherry? Otherwise I will likely not use homing (and use keys from fourties kit instead).
Could you make the description on the drop page more explicit? It could be interpreted as having one homing key per row (and the homing does not show much in the render). Thanks!

Homing keys have always been R3, and it says "with a scooped key included" not "R1 to R4 with scoped keys included".  :-\
That makes sense, thanks for clearing this up. I guess GMK doesn't even have a mould for R2 homing.
I'm not a native speaker, so the drop description sentence  wasn't 100% clear to me.
So if I would want ene survival kit alpha setup for planck (with correct legends for default layout and default profile (R2,R3,R4,R4)), I need 2x ene+fourties+base.

/edit: base would be needed for 1u ctrl+alt+gui in R4, and the arrows. pata negra or Jamonelties for the arrows would not be enough
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 02 February 2019, 04:46:17
I really like the pricing, lets hits those goals! One question about ene survival: does it have homing keys (and if yes, on which row)? Sorry for missing this in the IC phase

The kit comes with a scooped homing key (R3)
Ok, so a 2x ene survival kit planck will have homing in the zxcv row, right? Is R2,R3,R4,R1 order usable on cherry? Otherwise I will likely not use homing (and use keys from fourties kit instead).
Could you make the description on the drop page more explicit? It could be interpreted as having one homing key per row (and the homing does not show much in the render). Thanks!

Homing keys have always been R3, and it says "with a scooped key included" not "R1 to R4 with scoped keys included".  :-\
That makes sense, thanks for clearing this up. I guess GMK doesn't even have a mould for R2 homing.
I'm not a native speaker, so the drop description sentence  wasn't 100% clear to me.
So if I would want ene survival kit alpha setup for planck (with correct legends for default layout and default profile (R2,R3,R4,R4)), I need 2x ene+fourties+base.

The Eñe kit was never meant to be a standalone one, but rather as a reference to the April Fools joke, it was made so one could replace all the 1U alphas, or the numpad numbers. Covering a Planck with two of them was a side effect, and it would be more optimal to just get a Core + Forties in that case.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: keebitup on Sat, 02 February 2019, 04:49:46

That makes sense, thanks for clearing this up. I guess GMK doesn't even have a mould for R2 homing.
I'm not a native speaker, so the drop description sentence  wasn't 100% clear to me.
So if I would want ene survival kit alpha setup for planck (with correct legends for default layout and default profile (R2,R3,R4,R4)), I need 2x ene+fourties+base.

The Eñe kit was never meant to be a standalone one, but rather as a reference to the April Fools joke, it was made so one could replace all the 1U alphas, or the numpad numbers. Covering a Planck with two of them was a side effect, and it would be more optimal to just get a Core + Forties in that case.

Got it, I'm just trying to figure out which kits I will need. Thanks for designing the set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Ephemeral on Sat, 02 February 2019, 09:04:13
Nice job on the pricing. I’ll have to jump on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 02 February 2019, 15:10:39
(https://i.imgur.com/4PsVZHH.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1la5vGF.png)

Just one more day and the drop goes live! There's still a little surprise that has been in the works for a while and that will be revealed soon  :))
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Lepr3chaun on Sun, 03 February 2019, 07:34:28
Jumping in on this tomorrow!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 03 February 2019, 08:13:49
Normally I'm against ABS keycaps as I live in a tropical country and I terribly hate shining keys.
But yeah, will probably make an exception for this set. Those novelties alone are worth it.
BTW, does the launch date of Feb 4th have anything to do with Lunar (or Chinese) New Year day which is on Feb 5th? After all, 2019 is the Year of the Pig 🙂
For that alone, this could literally be keycap set of the year 👍

(https://i.imgur.com/SamgBl3.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 03 February 2019, 08:35:24
Normally I'm against ABS keycaps as I live in a tropical country and I terribly hate shining keys.
But yeah, will probably make an exception for this set. Those novelties alone are worth it.
BTW, does the launch date of Feb 4th have anything to do with Lunar (or Chinese) New Year day which is on Feb 5th? After all, 2019 is the Year of the Pig 🙂
For that alone, this could literally be keycap set of the year 👍

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/SamgBl3.png)


Yes.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: _GMK_ on Sun, 03 February 2019, 08:48:01
Sorry for not knowing gmk prices, but how does this compare to the 99 USD gmk BOW MD set which included at least base, numpad, iso and some space-bars?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 03 February 2019, 09:31:10
Sorry for not knowing gmk prices, but how does this compare to the 99 USD gmk BOW MD set which included at least base, numpad, iso and some space-bars?

Massdrop has included 26 more keycaps than Jamón, out of those one is a 6.00U spacebar.


This is why Massdrop has labelled Jamón a "Massdrop x Designer GMK Name of The Set Custom Keycap Set" and white on black as a "Massdrop White-On-Black GMK Keycap set".
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 04 February 2019, 08:15:05
Yay the drop is oipen on MD, now what is that promised surprise?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 04 February 2019, 08:36:26
RAMA X Jamón caps
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 04 February 2019, 08:53:59
Sweeeeeeeeeeeet, i dont see them in current drop page, I am assuming it will be added later.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 04 February 2019, 09:10:41
RAMA X Jamón caps

RAMA Bacon cap when?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 04 February 2019, 09:38:26
RAMA X Jamón caps

RAMA Bacon cap when?

Shhh, don't spoil it!

Deskmats group buy on Novelkeys! (https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/group-buys/products/zambumon-jamon-deskpad-gb)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: derznation on Mon, 04 February 2019, 10:59:55
My 2 selfish pieces of feedback are :
1. It's a bummer the deskmat went up on NK separate of the drop.  Shipping is almost as much as the deskmat so I'm gonna have to pass for now :(
2. I really hope the novelties reach T2 or T3 MOQ because they're quiet expensive relative to the rest of the add-ons, but OFC i'm getting them because the Bacon and Eggs is what sold me on this kit :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: clik_clak on Mon, 04 February 2019, 11:12:52
My 2 selfish pieces of feedback are :
1. It's a bummer the deskmat went up on NK separate of the drop.  Shipping is almost as much as the deskmat so I'm gonna have to pass for now :(
2. I really hope the novelties reach T2 or T3 MOQ because they're quiet expensive relative to the rest of the add-ons, but OFC i'm getting them because the Bacon and Eggs is what sold me on this kit :)

Novelties are always going to be more expensive than the average keys. They require special tooling to create, which incurs additional cost. Expecting specialized keys to be the same cost as the average set is kinda silly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: derznation on Mon, 04 February 2019, 11:15:18
My 2 selfish pieces of feedback are :
1. It's a bummer the deskmat went up on NK separate of the drop.  Shipping is almost as much as the deskmat so I'm gonna have to pass for now :(
2. I really hope the novelties reach T2 or T3 MOQ because they're quiet expensive relative to the rest of the add-ons, but OFC i'm getting them because the Bacon and Eggs is what sold me on this kit :)

Novelties are always going to be more expensive than the average keys. They require special tooling to create, which incurs additional cost. Expecting specialized keys to be the same cost as the average set is kinda silly.

I didn't say it was unreasonable that they cost as much as they do, just that I hope people pile on and hit higher MOQ's.  Zam did a great job keeping down the cost on the rest of the kit, so if we can get the higher MOQ's for novelties it'll be a really affordable kit even with all the options!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 04 February 2019, 11:55:09
RAMA X Jamón caps
stainless steel Ñ cap, finally
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 04 February 2019, 12:08:30
Also I realized today that for true planck/ortho 40 coverage, since the profiles are not 1 2 3 4 but 2 3 4 4, you would technically need 4 Ñ kits to match the proper profile.  I'm crazy enough to do it but just a heads up for people that don't want to miss out on that. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: spyruf on Mon, 04 February 2019, 12:37:06
Also I realized today that for true planck/ortho 40 coverage, since the profiles are not 1 2 3 4 but 2 3 4 4, you would technically need 4 Ñ kits to match the proper profile.  I'm crazy enough to do it but just a heads up for people that don't want to miss out on that.
Yeah I'm also confused by how the Ñ kit was designed. To cover all the alpha on a TKL/60% you would need two of them?
I would think it makes the most sense to have the Ñ kit be enough to cover alphas as that's what shown in the renders (this would probably make MOQ cheaper as well as the kit as bigger and more keys are produced). I guess for a novelty perspective having some Ñ's is nice but I'd personally think most people would want enough to cover a board.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 04 February 2019, 12:43:43
Also I realized today that for true planck/ortho 40 coverage, since the profiles are not 1 2 3 4 but 2 3 4 4, you would technically need 4 Ñ kits to match the proper profile.  I'm crazy enough to do it but just a heads up for people that don't want to miss out on that.
Yeah I'm also confused by how the Ñ kit was designed. To cover all the alpha on a TKL/60% you would need two of them?
I would think it makes the most sense to have the Ñ kit be enough to cover alphas as that's what shown in the renders (this would probably make MOQ cheaper as well as the kit as bigger and more keys are produced).
But if you just want enough to cover a small macro pad you wouldn't want the full alpha kit, two kits gives exact coverage of alphas for a tkl so I think it's a good compromise, lets people choose what they want.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: spyruf on Mon, 04 February 2019, 12:45:21
Also I realized today that for true planck/ortho 40 coverage, since the profiles are not 1 2 3 4 but 2 3 4 4, you would technically need 4 Ñ kits to match the proper profile.  I'm crazy enough to do it but just a heads up for people that don't want to miss out on that.
Yeah I'm also confused by how the Ñ kit was designed. To cover all the alpha on a TKL/60% you would need two of them?
I would think it makes the most sense to have the Ñ kit be enough to cover alphas as that's what shown in the renders (this would probably make MOQ cheaper as well as the kit as bigger and more keys are produced).
But if you just want enough to cover a small macro pad you wouldn't want the full alpha kit, two kits gives exact coverage of alphas for a tkl so I think it's a good compromise, lets people choose what they want.

Yeah, I guess some comprises would have to be made. I might be in for a core + two Ñ kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 04 February 2019, 13:05:20
RAMA X Jamón caps
stainless steel Ñ cap, finally

No, Bacon & Eggs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 04 February 2019, 13:07:34
Also I realized today that for true planck/ortho 40 coverage, since the profiles are not 1 2 3 4 but 2 3 4 4, you would technically need 4 Ñ kits to match the proper profile.  I'm crazy enough to do it but just a heads up for people that don't want to miss out on that.
Yeah I'm also confused by how the Ñ kit was designed. To cover all the alpha on a TKL/60% you would need two of them?
I would think it makes the most sense to have the Ñ kit be enough to cover alphas as that's what shown in the renders (this would probably make MOQ cheaper as well as the kit as bigger and more keys are produced). I guess for a novelty perspective having some Ñ's is nice but I'd personally think most people would want enough to cover a board.

Not everyone wants to get two of them, some would use them for the F-row, some others for WASD, and some others for a macropad. By having a kit with just 24 of those we keep the entry price low enough that more people will get it as a silly novelty.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: derznation on Mon, 04 February 2019, 14:37:14
RAMA X Jamón caps
stainless steel Ñ cap, finally

No, Bacon & Eggs.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e5/e566a3fd72eb9845694e6cfe20fe10399229e5e462dadc45fec5c19ed0da4918.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: LevelSteam on Mon, 04 February 2019, 22:22:11
Oooooo, Rama cap? I might have to grab one of those for this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: snelltrail on Tue, 05 February 2019, 06:45:06
RAMA X Jamón caps

Oof, Zambumon, I think you are going to single handedly be responsible for my wallet being REKT this year :p When are these gonna be unveiled?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: keebitup on Thu, 07 February 2019, 07:02:22
Also I realized today that for true planck/ortho 40 coverage, since the profiles are not 1 2 3 4 but 2 3 4 4, you would technically need 4 Ñ kits to match the proper profile.  I'm crazy enough to do it but just a heads up for people that don't want to miss out on that.
Yes, I realized as well. Wanted to go for 1 2 3 4 at first, but then realized that homing would be on wrong row... Didn't consider 4 Ñ kits, will likely go 2 Ñ kits + base. Might gets fourties and pata negra extra.

2 Ñ kits would cover Gherkin though :) or 2 Ñ kits + novelties for helidox or similar
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: tootle on Thu, 07 February 2019, 09:46:29
Would Pata Negra work with Serika? Are the colors on the alphas fairly similar to the black keys on Serika?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:41:33
Would Pata Negra work with Serika? Are the colors on the alphas fairly similar to the black keys on Serika?

i am 80% sure they are the same black but zambumon will come in and correct me any moment now
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:55:25
Would Pata Negra work with Serika? Are the colors on the alphas fairly similar to the black keys on Serika?

i am 80% sure they are the same black but zambumon will come in and correct me any moment now

Pata Negra is exactly the same as Serika's accent keys. Exactly the same, including the legends.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [DROP STARTS ON FEBRUARY 4TH]
Post by: temp0321 on Thu, 07 February 2019, 15:52:27
What's the color code of alpha keys for base and legend? I just couldn't find them anywhere.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 07 February 2019, 16:43:34
RAMA X Jamón (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/rama-works-x-zambumon-jamon-artisan-keycaps?mode=guest_open)

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/rama-works-x-zambumon-jamon-artisan-keycaps/FP/W94oeFBWROic9q9ykX4T_removebg2.jpg)

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/rama-works-x-zambumon-jamon-artisan-keycaps/FP/qTQXgCYVQFG5gm8XbP3I_pc%20page.jpg)

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/rama-works-x-zambumon-jamon-artisan-keycaps/FP/99y0a70rTOqb5aUZzsIH_RW-CAP-RENDER-01.1509.jpg)

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/rama-works-x-zambumon-jamon-artisan-keycaps/FP/0vF3XSu7RAqT1hFsqnxs_removebg.jpg)

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/rama-works-x-zambumon-jamon-artisan-keycaps/FP/QRv0TWXnQuS4TbwUfa4r_RW-CAP-RENDER-01.1508.jpg)

Pues ya estaría.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: RamenTechMech on Thu, 07 February 2019, 16:47:07
Can't wait! Caps look amazing!  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: LXVRGS on Thu, 07 February 2019, 17:01:03
mad lad
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: snelltrail on Thu, 07 February 2019, 18:15:14
Ne vegan bacon avail?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: Rumblehotep on Thu, 28 February 2019, 13:43:41
Soon In a few months. Final day!
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 28 February 2019, 14:19:43
Soon In a few months. Final day!
(Attachment Link)

Very interesting.  You wouldn't happen to have ordered about 25 Eñe kits last week and then canceled the order, would you?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: Rumblehotep on Thu, 28 February 2019, 14:29:58
Saw that, lol no just 4 kits for me
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Jamón - [RAMA X JAMÓN AVAIL]
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 01 April 2019, 23:29:50
Need me some eñe survival kits for an olkb build. Who has extras?

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