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Offline marvkip

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« on: Mon, 25 April 2011, 20:22:04 »
It seems like most of the people on these forums that have tried reds and clears really like them. So why are there so few keyboards that have them?

Offline Khaotik55

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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 25 April 2011, 20:39:06 »
Well I was the latest recipient of the STN (Switch Try Numpad) and I think reds are great, but the clears just suck to me.

The browns and clears have this...real bump built onto the switch which makes it feel (IN MY OPINION) cheap.

The blue switch has this complex little mechanism that provides a WAY more precise tactile bump. To be honest it's really nothing but personal preference... but I can't fathom why companies aren't choosing Cherry reds. They're linear like blacks but as soft as a brown, I love em'.
« Last Edit: Mon, 25 April 2011, 20:44:07 by Khaotik55 »

Offline CephalicCarnage

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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 25 April 2011, 22:45:39 »
:clap2:  Excellent job populating Google image search results with good stuff!
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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 25 April 2011, 22:55:12 »
Ripster, I think you've touched my heart.

Cowabunga!

I'd still like to try the Reds.
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Offline Mr. Perfect

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 25 April 2011, 23:08:26 »
Quote from: ripster;337293
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That picture is an excellent representation of the Clear switch's tactile bump.

Here's one for Reds. Appropriately captioned too!

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Offline Lpb45

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 26 April 2011, 14:43:04 »
probly because they are rare
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Offline Shazb0t

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 26 April 2011, 14:55:24 »
Quote from: Lpb45;337637
probly because they are rare

I can't speak for clears but reds are the real deal if you like blacks but wish they weren't as stiff.
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Offline Magna224

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 26 April 2011, 16:55:56 »
I ordered 2 random cherry keyboards off of ebay and both had clears. So I don't think they are that rare.
If you live in AZ you can try my keyboards. I usually keep plenty of different ALPS and MX and buckling springs.

Offline didjamatic

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 26 April 2011, 17:09:45 »
Clears are less common than browns, blues, blacks.  Reds are new.
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 26 April 2011, 17:22:38 »
Quote from: marvkip;337251
It seems like most of the people on these forums that have tried reds and clears really like them. So why are there so few keyboards that have them?

 
Clears with a softer spring are surely the best cherry switches, haven't tried the reds, because I don't like the linear switches.
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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 26 April 2011, 18:38:21 »
Reds are definitely a nice switch but Cherry MX "Ergo" Clears tops them all in my book!

Offline Curetia

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 02:07:57 »
Quote from: didjamatic;337719
Clears are less common than browns, blues, blacks.  Reds are new.
Yeah need this too but I'm not so handy with a soldering iron :(

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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 06:25:56 »
One of the best things about Cherry MX "Ergo" Clears is that on a PCB-mounted switch keyboard, you can create them without soldering.

Offline CephalicCarnage

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 07:42:30 »
My future Poker will likely be outfitted with your Cherry MX "Ergo" Clears for a bit so I can try them for myself.
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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 07:45:16 »
Nice! Looking forward to seeing what you think of them!

Offline CephalicCarnage

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 07:52:10 »
While I plan on it, don't be holding your breath!  No Poker yet, and I still need to shop for a donor board for clears :)  You definitely have me interested in trying them out though.
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Offline Cata1yst

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 17:09:00 »
well keep in mind theres 2 ergo clears, one with the black spring and one with the brown/blue/red spring

Im curious about the ripometer on both...

Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 19:17:11 »
Beige switches/Ergo clears  über alles :-)
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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 19:23:13 »
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Frankly I think these guys are on crack.


White stem + black spring is just a pointless mod, the black's spring is too close to the white's one to make sense.

BTW strictly speaking, yes there are two kind of mod possible on white switches, although the one with the black spring can't be called "ergo" in any way.
« Last Edit: Wed, 27 April 2011, 19:26:17 by The Solutor »
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Offline Nadger

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 19:59:06 »
see KL? ripsters penis is bigger than yours!

I really want to try ergo clears.  I like browns a lot but prefer a bit more tactile feeling, and clears themselves i find too stiff.  So this sounds right up my alley.  But sadly, no tenkeyless clears exist that i know of =(
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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 20:00:38 »
Actually the feeling didn't impress me when I modded one switch either. It wasn't until I modded my entire homerow that I realized I was completely and utterly hooked on that switch.

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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 20:11:31 »
Quote from: ripster;338357
White stem + brown/blue/red spring I did EONS ago.

I wasn't impressed.  See the Nostromo N52 link in my sig.
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Being my penis bigger than yours whatever keyboard we like.  :happy:

And being a fact that Italians do it better. :first:

What keyboard / switch / stem/ combination/ whatever you like more ? (seriously)
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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 21:02:30 »
Quote from: The Solutor
And being a fact that Italians do it better. :first:

 
Normally, I would agree with you. But that was before I saw Panda-R's Chinese bamboo.

CANNOT be unseen!!!


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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 21:09:45 »
Quote from: keyboardlover;338418
Normally, I would agree with you. But that was before I saw Panda-R's Chinese bamboo.

CANNOT be unseen!!!

 
Hahahaha

But what about the ripster's one ?

We need a caliper ?
« Last Edit: Wed, 27 April 2011, 21:12:14 by The Solutor »
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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 21:26:13 »
Ripster's can only be measured using his OWN homemade device (convenient, eh?)

It's called the "RipOMeter". It consists of putting his pee pee on a drug scale and stacking Canadian nickels on top of it.

Don't ask me how it works!

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 21:36:06 »
BTW we have an official word

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 22:04:20 »
Quote from: keyboardlover;338380
Actually the feeling didn't impress me when I modded one switch either. It wasn't until I modded my entire homerow that I realized I was completely and utterly hooked on that switch.
This. I was skeptical at first, but tried two keyboards side-by-side (ergo clear, straight clear) and the ergos won hands down. For me, standard clears are too stiff, especially on the pinkies.
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Offline CephalicCarnage

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 27 April 2011, 23:53:19 »
Okay, all this talk is getting me excited to try this soon.  Still don't have a board with clear switches though.

Which model numbers should I be watching for if I plan on buying used?  G80-8113HRBUS? Bonus  of double shots with that one too eh?  Any other model numbers to watch for?


Quote from: ripster;338357
White stem + brown/blue/red spring I did EONS ago.

I wasn't impressed.  See the Nostromo N52 link in my sig.
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Ahh yes, that reminds me that I have a N52 laying around somewhere that I  think I'd like to mod over the summer if I get a chance.  Will be an  adventure since I've never really worked with soldering electronics  before.  In fact, I think the soldering gun I have may be too big for  such a job.
 
 I'm going to have my nose buried in the Wiki section here while I attempt this I think.
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Offline Cata1yst

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 00:02:52 »
well AFAIK the only person that has tried both ergo clears  is MTL in his thread here. http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:16351

He didnt seem too impressed by the clear ergo lite, and based on what ripster and a few other peeps, posted awhile back, a clear with a brown spring is kinda just like a minor improvement brown.

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 08:15:44 »
Quote from: Cata1yst;338504
He didnt seem too impressed by the clear ergo lite, and based on what ripster and a few other peeps, posted awhile back, a clear with a brown spring is kinda just like a minor improvement brown.

That statement could not be further from the truth. Browns are completely boring in comparison.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 08:43:06 »
Who me? When did I do that?

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 12:25:56 »
Quote from: ripster;338705
Pee pee?
...


Haha, I think your hotlink got 'pee peed' :-)
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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 18:27:14 »
Quote from: Cata1yst;338504
well AFAIK the only person that has tried both ergo clears  is MTL in his thread here. http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:16351

He didnt seem too impressed by the clear ergo lite, and based on what ripster and a few other peeps, posted awhile back, a clear with a brown spring is kinda just like a minor improvement brown.
The biggest problem I have with browns is the springs are too weak. So clears with brown springs didn't impress me.  But if you think browns and reds are just the right weight for you and you want a more tactile response, then the lite ergo clears may be your switch.

In my testing, the lite ergo clears had a mild problem getting the key to reset after being pressed, almost like the spring sometimes isn't strong enough to get over the clear stem tactile bump. Not sure if this ever occurs when typing at speed, but testing keys individually it was noticeable.  Maybe someone else with more experience with these switches can comment on it.
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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 18:33:45 »
In my experience, that doesn't happen often and when it does, it rights itself very quickly (after a second or less).

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 18:38:45 »
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The biggest problem I have with browns is the springs are too weak. So clears with brown springs didn't impress me. But if you think browns and reds are just the right weight for you and you want a more tactile response, then the lite ergo clears may be your switch.


The standard clear spring is so strong that hide the more tactile profile of the clear switch.

All in all a default clear is something like a stiffer brown: a switch with an almost unnoticeable tactile feeling, just stronger to press.

Instead the beige switch is soft but with a definite tactile point, more similar to an hypothetical silent blue than a plain brown or clear switch.

I just suggest to try them in a functional keyboard, because just test a single sample key is not enough to appreciate them.
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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 19:09:23 »
Im so confuzzled... if someone could ripometer both id be eternally grateful.

Im tempted to just go buy a ducky off of PC home and call it a day and not make a gamble on a black board and a cheap clear donor board combo.

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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:14:45 »
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Pee pee?
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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:18:20 »
I was told once clear were not "standard" and were harder to get mass production from Cherry.
Whatever it means.

That's why folks on the Deck's forum were questionning the choice of MX Clear when Deck decided to go tactile.
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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:20:01 »
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Im so confuzzled... if someone could ripometer both id be eternally grateful.


Cherry switches are so uneven, and the actuation force is so depending on the force direction that ripometering them is almost a pointless operation.

Then you must add that on a baklit keyboard like mine the swithces are rotated by 180 degree respect the average cherry KB.

BTW the activation point for a beige switch is somewhere between 50 and 55g, more or less the same result of a blue switch.

I don't have handy any black spring to tell about this kind of combo but I think should be slightly above 60g
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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:20:12 »
Quote from: ripster;338924
Interesting.  The attachment click to enlarge works out of a quote, but not the original post.

Wow you're right. Pride gets bigger when clicked :-)

Weird indeed.
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« Reply #40 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:26:04 »
Quote from: ripster;338929
I think the click to enlarge bug happens if there are multiple attachments on THE SAME PAGE.

See - unlike these jokers who can't figure out how to count up nickels I'm pretty technical.


LoL - Not to mention your ability to stack them in piles. Your science make the antic Egyptians to look like ants.
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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:33:12 »
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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:33:53 »
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I was told once clear were not "standard" and were harder to get mass production from Cherry.
Whatever it means.

That's why folks on the Deck's forum were questionning the choice of MX Clear when Deck decided to go tactile.

What's also weird about that is I talked to a guy at Deck repair on the phone the other day and when I asked why they don't offer Browns as an option, he said they'd like to but that they're too hard to get for some reason.  Kinesis, Das, and Filco seem to have no problem supplying them, so that made no sense to me.

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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:34:46 »
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Not to mention your ability to stack them in piles.


He is the n1 on every unuseful activity...

We have all to learn a lot :playball:
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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:46:27 »
Quote from: The Solutor;338942
He is the n1 on every unuseful activity...

We have all to learn a lot :playball:


Well, I thought the Nickel thing was kind of cool.
Ripster also figured out that Lego models never say no. Sorta useful.

Can't say the same for the Trackball race though. I haven't figure that one out yet.
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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 20:55:21 »
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Well, I thought the Nickel thing was kind of cool.


Actually two cool things.

Seeing an American that measure something with an SI unit is priceless.

Discovering that an US coin has an exact weight in grams is even more surprising...:smokin:

BTW I use the 6g weights from the RAT mouse + some eurocent tiny coin to fine tune the measure.
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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 21:00:38 »
Quote from: ripster;338950
Didn't expect you would.

:rain:

Do red (linear) also get mushier over time or it's only the tactile who has that problem?
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« Reply #47 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 21:14:07 »
Quote from: BucklingSpring;338955
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Do red (linear) also get mushier over time or it's only the tactile who has that problem?

 
Linears have not a lot to wear, I touched a (likely) ten years old black keyboard and felt more or less like a new one.

BTW i think "mushier" is not the exact definition for the weared out tactile switches, they just become progressively less tactile: a clear becomes a sorta of brown, a brown becomes a sorta of red.
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« Reply #48 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 10:27:23 »
Well, atleast one person here appreciates the ripometer. What are your thoughts on the heavy ergo clears? Good, bad, waste of time?

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 10:56:30 »
I say the lite ones are "ergo". The ones with black springs are something else =)

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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 11:08:16 »
Quote from: ripster;340342
Well, the Ergo Clears are ALMOST identical to Cherry Clears.  Personally I like the Ergo Clear Lite's better.

You guys that invented these should get together and come up with standard names for the two.  Maybe the Black spring version becomes "Ghetto Clear" and the lite version becomes "Ergo Clear"???

Like Astronomers and Planets.  Who discovers it should get to name it.

Update the Cherry Wiki when you get it figured out.

 
Ok, it's about time that I'm starting to dig it.

You guys are not only talking about stock switches but you also include modded ones using not so standard funky names.
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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 11:08:53 »
I still call the lite version, beige, because gives better the idea of something between clears and brown (and if the spring comes from a blue switch they are still something between clears and brown).
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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 11:31:10 »
Thanks rip. Helped me make my decision.

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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 11:40:53 »
Quote from: harrison;340388

ps.  i value to the rip-o-meter.  haters gonna haters.  ****'em

 
BTW ripometering a single switch as someone did, means nothing due to the production tolerances.

Indeed the average beige switch value is more closer to 55g than 50. Although 50 is the correct value for some switches.
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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 18:54:31 »
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Well, the Ergo Clears are ALMOST identical to Cherry Clears.
I've tried them both side-by-side and disagree.  To me ergo clears are much easier on the fingers. Have you measured bottom out force?  I suspect the clear spring has a higher spring constant and offers more resistance than black springs, the more they are compressed.

Quote from: ripster;340342
You guys that invented these should get together and come up with standard names for the two.  Maybe the Black spring version becomes "Ghetto Clear" and the lite version becomes "Ergo Clear"???
I'm not sure where the ghetto term is coming from. Let's keep ergo clears how they are and call the lite variation "Bumpy Browns." :)
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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 19:31:11 »
Quote from: mtl;340664
I've tried them both side-by-side and disagree.  To me ergo clears are much easier on the fingers.

 
Is more than evident.

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Have you measured bottom out force?  I suspect the clear spring has a higher spring constant and offers more resistance than black springs, the more they are compressed.


This is what black and clears graphs are showing, and this is the way they feel, so I assume it's correct

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I'm not sure where the ghetto term is coming from.

 I suppose it come from some use to mod something in some closed community, likely of black people  (just a guess based on any fact or internet search)
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« Reply #56 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 19:34:41 »
We have black people, but thanks God the last time we had a ghetto was at the time of the world war II
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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 19:39:39 »
Did it.. what?
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« Reply #58 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 20:04:53 »
Quote from: ripster;340671
Sorry, but Gravity and the RipOmeter don't lie.
Lies!  Clearly my fingers are more precise instruments than whatever you have going on there. Also Cherry tolerances are very forgiving.
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« Reply #59 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 20:19:20 »
Quote from: mtl;340692
Lies!  Clearly my fingers are more precise instruments than whatever you have going on there. Also Cherry tolerances are very forgiving.

 
For some reason ripster feel itself like Gheddafi in the current days.

Maybe sooner or later he will understand than no one is bombing San Francisco, and will restart to write reasonable sentences.

So don't expect too much for the few next days.
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« Reply #60 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 21:01:16 »
Feel it up ripmeister! Enjoy!

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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 02:46:38 »
Red is the most recent switch, and not the most common switch types known for mechanical keyboards. Usually you expect something very distinct feel, loud, and feel of typewriter when you purchase mechanical keyboard. So most people consider between brown or blue. They feel about the same, but just a noise difference. Red feel totally different from blue or brown. The feel is different (if you are used to blue like me, you won't know if you r typing or not at first. They keys just push in so easily without middle joint nor blue noise). Red doesn't feel like a type writer nor the loud cool sound keyboard. It's just.. "linear" type. Many ppl looking for mechanical keyboard don't expect something that sounds or feel anything realted to membrane, but much distinct. So Red and clear are not that popular yet. But now I am typing with Red, it's great. Actually I didn't really expect much from Red. I just decided to try out Red since my fingers feel 55g of force too strong for me, I decided to go with 45g. At first, it feels very boring compared to blue or brown. But as you get used to it, you will find its own appeal :). Overall, all the switches have its own uniqueness and the preference just differ from person to person :)

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« Reply #62 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 10:22:40 »
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OOooops. Sorry Solutor - I just found your Cherry White Stems with Brown Springs mod (you call it "Beige"). Next time post it in the Modifications Subforum and people would be able to find it.


You should upgrade your RAM... you linked it in the cherry MX mod WIKI aside the ones from mtl and KL, anyway "sorry" is appreciated.

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I don't want to go through that again with noobs asking me about Cherry Beige.


The idea was that if one know what  a clear and a brown switch are, has no need to ask what is a beige (cappuccino could be an alternate name).

Also dark brown could be a name for brown stem + black spring (which anyway is a bit pointless mod)
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« Reply #63 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 10:49:29 »
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This is a proper poured Cappucino.
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Sup Kato.

I personally think that ergo lite minimizes confusion the most. But ill leave it up to the first modder.

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« Reply #64 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 10:55:07 »
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KL doesn't even know how to solder.

It's on my to do list to learn!

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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 08:37:02 »
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I was the first modder.  The New Vbulletin 4.0 TimeStamps prove it.

It is officially Ergo Lite.

 

Mmmm...

I still don't fully agree whit this nomenclature


Ergoclears makes sense: clears + brown (ergo), but what has to do the word "ergo" with the black springs ?

We should call ergoclears the beige switches and something else the other mod, say stifferclears, tactoblacks or whatever you like, but not ergoclears, is misleading...
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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 08:56:48 »
So these past few comments actually made me understand what the "Ergo" means here. This whole time I thought it was a clever use of the adverb and I was trying to figure out its intended reading.

"Don't like browns? Ergo, clear."
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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 08:57:00 »
Hasn't mtl called "ergoclears" clear+brown spring ?

I agree with that

It's calling "ergoclears" clear + black spring that doesen't sound good to me.
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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 08:58:26 »
Quote from: Chobopants;341503


"Don't like browns? Ergo, clear."

 
Hahaha.

Digito, ergo sum ? :-)
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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 17:51:30 »
Quote from: The Solutor;341492
tactoblacks
Works for me.
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« Reply #70 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 20:07:08 »
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Hahaha - I'll change that link in the wiki.

KL doesn't even know how to solder.

Frankly I'm gonna stick with Ergo Lite instead of Cappuccino.

This is a proper poured Cappucino.
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Sometimes what I say is misinterpreted :redface:

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« Reply #71 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 20:15:01 »
Quote from: mtl;341789
Works for me.

 

I'm sorry, I read this message ten times but I overlooked who posted it.

So, ergoclears + tactoblacks is good for all ?

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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 22:13:42 »
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Thank you, Ripster.  Now I will forever imagine this segway swat team inside my bad ass tactoblack switches.  Looks like a couple have bottomed out but that's ok.
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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 22:35:54 »
Quote from: ripster;341856
So ergoclear=white stem and blue/red/brown spring
tactoblack=white stem and black spring?

 
Yes, works for me. I said tactoblack as the first thing that "jumped" in my mind, but looks fine, especially now that you added a bit of testosterone to it...
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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 07:52:35 »
Actually sixty was the one who first recommended me to try that switch. But now he's a mod at that guruishy asshat euro forum so mtl can get the credit.

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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:00:11 »
Do you remember this thread?
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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:19:04 »
Yea, thanks for finding that. I remember that.

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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:43:37 »
Quote from: ripster;342023
At least with the RipOmeter we now have hard concrete scientific numbers instead of a bunch of forum geeks talking about key "Feel".


I agree.  Whether it's an accurate measurement of force doesn't matter that much as long as it's a fairly *consistent* measurement.

Kind of like the body fat function on my bathroom scale; It's obviously not on par with Olympic-grade athletic trainer equipment, but as long as it gives me a consistent number that gets bigger or smaller with my weight changes, it still gives me some helpful info.  The fat % does go up or down on the scale depending on how much I'm procrastinating on exercise and diet, so it seems to be fairly consistent.

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« Reply #78 on: Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:46:45 »
Quote from: mtl;341864
Thank you, Ripster.  Now I will forever imagine this segway swat team inside my bad ass tactoblack switches.  Looks like a couple have bottomed out but that's ok.


Segway swat team is meant to be a Human reenactment of this game

Swat members = ducks and other targets

My black switches are not afraid of the dark.

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