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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - New polls are open
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 23 October 2015, 19:29:48 »
I think SA profile is probably what it needs to set it apart from being easily recreated with other keycaps/modifiers (despite all the recent SA releases)  :p

Somebody at Reddit said to me earlier something similar. That person said that the base kit (the one that many people enjoy now that I changed) could be very easily recreated with other keycaps and didn't understand why people would prefer it rather than picking some white caps and green modifiers and mix them together. He was partially right, you can do it. But in my opinion it will never be the same as what I am presenting here. For me, it felt like if somebody was saying me that Granite is just 2 shades of grey.
I know that the set could has nothing special for many people, I knew it the moment I started to do that. But I also knew that there were people like me who would be pleased by the font, the color combinations, the background and many other little details of this set. Plus, we've got the child deals that expand the possibilities. Hell, my favorite part of of this process was discovering the WV-VCM-BFN combination(white, green and blue number row).

I totally agree. Most of the highly desired keycap sets are simple color combinations, but it's the thought and detail that goes into them as well as how the aesthetic presents itself as a whole. And not only does it capture a theme in this case but I personally find the colors to be subtlety pleasing to the eye, yet still entertaining.
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - New polls are open
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 23 October 2015, 21:08:06 »
I'd totally be interested in a set.

If you need any insight into ATC stuff, I might be able to help. I'm still in school, but I could probably find somebody who does know.
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - New polls are open
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 24 October 2015, 04:40:30 »
I'd totally be ok interested I  a set.

If you need any insight into ATC stuff, I might be able to help. I'm still in school, but I could probably find somebody who does know.

Great!

This week I will try to figure out that child deal specifically. The problem with it is that I have to be sure which are the most representative  keycaps.
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - New polls are open
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 24 October 2015, 18:27:28 »
POLLS RESULTS (10/23/2015)

1. Interest Check

78.3% of people would buy the set / are interested (36)
19.6% of people are more or less interested (9)
2.1% of people are not interested (1)

This is awesome but the set needs a lot of work to convince that 20% of people that participated.
I did notice that some of those more or less interested people asked for Planck's grid support, which was
added earlier this week



2.Which profile do you prefer for the set?

34.8% SA (16)
32.6% DSA (15)
13% SA R3 (6)
10.9% No preference (5)
8.7% DCS (4)

It seems we need to do a second round with only two candidates.
because I feel I can't impose one profile over the other with such a close result.
*There was a participant that voted SA R3 who said: "This kit has to be SA. Uniform R3 prefered, SA if that is the consensus"



3.International Kit

56.6% of people don't own an ISO keyboard (26)
17.4% of people think that the basic kit is enough (8 )
17.4% of people are interested but only if it's not very expensive (8 )
8,7% of people are interested and price is not a problem for them (4)

26% of people want the international Kit, that's good to know.

4.Planck/Atomic Kit interest

78.3% of people are not interested (36)
21.7% of people are interested (10)

Good to see such interest for the Planck/Atomic kit

5.Ergodox Kit interest

89.9% are not interested (41)
10.9% are interested (5)
Considering that not a lot of people own an Ergodox, I think these are great results.
The Ergodox kit with legends might attract more owners


Notes:
  • A 2.25U shift will be added to the Tsangan kit to cover the FC660M
  • Adding the Japanese number row to the International kit was suggested
  • I've ordered some SP chips just to be sure about the colors we are using for the set
  • The second poll will be ready soon and will ask about: novelties, ATC novelties, Ergodox and SA vs DSA

Thanks to everyone for participating!
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 08:36:46 »
I have swapped the polls results with the ergodox render for visibility.

What do you think about the current Ergodox kit?

If the SA is chosen, do you think it is possible to have an Ergodox kit with legends?

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 09:15:15 »
I will buy both SA and DSA, but I prefer the SA

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 09:26:37 »
I will buy both SA and DSA, but I prefer the SA


So far more than 50 people have participated in this poll and SA is currently leading the polls with aprox 56% of the votes.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 12:44:45 »
I like this. I am not 100% sure if I would buy it. But I very well may. I almost want to buy an ergodox as well. Only time will see I suppose.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 12:50:55 »
I like this. I am not 100% sure if I would buy it. But I very well may. I almost want to buy an ergodox as well. Only time will see I suppose.

DSA is probably the best option for Ergodox.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 13:39:56 »
I like this. I am not 100% sure if I would buy it. But I very well may. I almost want to buy an ergodox as well. Only time will see I suppose.

DSA is probably the best option for Ergodox.

It's going to be a nightmare if SA is the profile chosen and we want to have an Ergodox with legends.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 13:50:53 »
 If SA is done, the ErgoDox kit should be legended with novelties only- would be pretty unique and guarantee 100% compatibility.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 14:02:32 »
I think these would be great in DSA but I wouldn't think twice about purchasing them in SA either.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 14:51:53 »
If SA is done, the ErgoDox kit should be legended with novelties only- would be pretty unique and guarantee 100% compatibility.

That would solve the compatibility issues but I don't know if most Dox users would be happy with that decision.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 15:57:50 »
If SA is done, the ErgoDox kit should be legended with novelties only- would be pretty unique and guarantee 100% compatibility.

That would solve the compatibility issues but I don't know if most Dox users would be happy with that decision.

True, might have to fall back on blanks in the end. Loving the Planck set by the way- the high gear/low gear keys are really cool.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 16:17:48 »
True, might have to fall back on blanks in the end. Loving the Planck set by the way- the high gear/low gear keys are really cool.

Damm. Thanks for bringing that up, I forgot to update the Planck kit

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:51:26 »
Surprised that SA got the most votes, I thought it would be DSA, since it's what the Air Traffic Control keyboards use. Would still buy SA though, since the colorway is  and spot on

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:54:35 »

I like this. I am not 100% sure if I would buy it. But I very well may. I almost want to buy an ergodox as well. Only time will see I suppose.

DSA is probably the best option for Ergodox.

If you don't mind me asking. How so? I am not read up on ergodox.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:56:34 »

I like this. I am not 100% sure if I would buy it. But I very well may. I almost want to buy an ergodox as well. Only time will see I suppose.

DSA is probably the best option for Ergodox.

If you don't mind me asking. How so? I am not read up on ergodox.

DSA flat profile makes easier to make caps for special layouts like Ergodox, than with profiled caps like DCS, or SA contoured.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:13:28 »
Surprised that SA got the most votes, I thought it would be DSA, since it's what the Air Traffic Control keyboards use. Would still buy SA though, since the colorway is  and spot on
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Right now we are in a 50/50 situation. DSA is winning with 51% of the votes

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:44:06 »

I like this. I am not 100% sure if I would buy it. But I very well may. I almost want to buy an ergodox as well. Only time will see I suppose.

DSA is probably the best option for Ergodox.

If you don't mind me asking. How so? I am not read up on ergodox.

DSA flat profile makes easier to make caps for special layouts like Ergodox, than with profiled caps like DCS, or SA contoured.

I also think that DSA is the right profile for this particular set because of the background of it and also because  as I've stated in several occasions, I wanted it to be as accessible and customizable as possible.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:15:26 »
Did the poll! I think I actually like the colored set best.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:15:58 »
Surprised that SA got the most votes, I thought it would be DSA, since it's what the Air Traffic Control keyboards use. Would still buy SA though, since the colorway is  and spot on
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Right now we are in a 50/50 situation. DSA is winning with 51% of the votes
Oh, awesome. I was just going off of the pretty charts :P

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:52:21 »
I'd say go with DSA, if it makes it authentic to what is actually used in the industry.
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:23:38 »
Love the ErgoDox render. I think one of the most versatile ErgoDox kits is from the last Granite round. I know not a lot of folks are fond of Granite but it might be a good base for adding ErgoDox child deals to future sets? Just spitballing.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 03:46:09 »
Love the ErgoDox render. I think one of the most versatile ErgoDox kits is from the last Granite round. I know not a lot of folks are fond of Granite but it might be a good base for adding ErgoDox child deals to future sets? Just spitballing.

Thanks.

Before doing the Ergodox child deal I did a research about previous keycap sets with an Ergodox kit with legends. In my honest opinion, Granite and Deep Space had the best Dox kits that I've ever seen.
That been said, this week I've to finish anything related to the Ergodox and there are two options: adding 1U keycaps to that kit or finding another child deal where those keycaps could be.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 06:02:20 »
Some people suggested that the set should have more novelties and even provided some ideas!

So I tried to do the radar icon someone asked for.




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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 06:31:00 »
Damn, all three of those are awesome.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 06:36:30 »
so so good that radar key  :eek: :eek:  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 -Ergodox Render + Ergodox kit discussion
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 06:50:17 »
Damn, all three of those are awesome.

Somebody also suggested about adding some Airport IATA codes:

ATL (Atlanta)
AMS (Amsterdam - Schiphol, you could see planes crossing over the motorway)
ARN (Stockholm - Arlanda Airport - very Swedish)
CDG (Paris, Charles de Gaule - very impressive and huge)
FRA (Frankfurt)
PEK (Beijing)
IST (Istanbul - home of Turkish Airlines, never been there)
JFK (New York - huge airport and probably the second biggest I've been)
LAX (Los Angeles)
LHR (London Heathrow - same as JFK but with a fancy train)
MAD (Adolfo Suárez - Madrid Barajas - This is the most impressive of the list by far)
HND (Tokyo)
PHX (Phoenix)
SYD (Sydney)
YVR (Vancouver)

Update

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox and novelties discussion
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:44:21 »
Profile Update

Hi everyone,
Polls have been closed and here are the results regarding the set profile:

SA 53% (31 votes)
DSA 47% (27 votes)

However, after considering as NULLS those votes where no username was provided (reddit, geek hack or deskthority):

SA 60% (30 votes)
DSA 40% (20 votes)

Which means SA has been elected as the profile to go.

To conclude this update: from the very beginning I have expressed several times that I wanted this set to be more accessible both for ortholinear boards, Ergodoxes and other special layouts. Because of that reason, I'd rather prefer to  have an SA R3 profile over any other option. 




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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 16:15:23 »
My thoughts exactly  :p this is really shaping up to be a great set  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:12:55 »
My thoughts exactly  :p this is really shaping up to be a great set  :thumb:

I also bought some color chips which should arrive in 1~2 weeks

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 18:13:00 »
Hey, just came across this IC now, so I am a bit late to the game, especially regarding the polls, but just wanted to say that this set looks great and I am def interested.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #83 on: Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:21:54 »
If everyone is going to push the SA train, let's definitely go the S3 train.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:40:51 »
Hey, just came across this IC now, so I am a bit late to the game, especially regarding the polls, but just wanted to say that this set looks great and I am def interested.

I decided to close the poll a little bit earlier than what I expected but feel free to post your opinion, it doesn't matter if you 'joined' the IC today or the first day.

If everyone is going to push the SA train, let's definitely go the S3 train.

Good to know your opinion, SA R3 is the best choice for Doxes, Plancks and Atomic keyboards since they wouldn't be affected at all.


By the way, I will do a 3rd poll to discuss some issues regarding the International kit demand. I will ask about which distribution you have so I can figure out if there is enough demand for, let's say the Spanish distribution.This is an important question for me since I've seen lately many sets where their International kit cost up to $70 because a random dude called Zambumon added some keys for a layout that nobody is buying. That being said, Nordic+German has always a relative high demand.
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #85 on: Tue, 27 October 2015, 19:28:19 »
Some updates
Dox: added a 2U Alt, a 2U blank WV, two 1.5U BFNs and VCMs, 2 1U CTRLs and 2 1U radars

Tsangan: added a 2.25U Shift key


Speaking about the profile, we could also go with a 1-2-3-3-3-4. This was mentioned by somebody some time ago.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #86 on: Tue, 27 October 2015, 21:32:14 »

Speaking about the profile, we could also go with a 1-2-3-3-3-4. This was mentioned by somebody some time ago.

I think uniform R3 is still the best for this set. Maybe you should do another poll with R3 vs 12334 if you can't decided. I think the main reason R3 didn't do as well in the main poll was that people were more concerned with just have SA in general, this might clear up what people's true opinions on SA sculpting are.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 28 October 2015, 01:49:34 »

Speaking about the profile, we could also go with a 1-2-3-3-3-4. This was mentioned by somebody some time ago.

I think uniform R3 is still the best for this set. Maybe you should do another poll with R3 vs 12334 if you can't decided. I think the main reason R3 didn't do as well in the main poll was that people were more concerned with just have SA in general, this might clear up what people's true opinions on SA sculpting are.

I'll do another poll for sure, just to know about this, the international kit and some other stuff like the gamers kit and check if everything is finished.

The thing about 1-2-3-3-3-4 is that we get a sculpted profile where you can play with those three R3s. That profile has worked well before in some sets like Penumbra or Calm Depths

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #88 on: Wed, 28 October 2015, 14:45:31 »

Speaking about the profile, we could also go with a 1-2-3-3-3-4. This was mentioned by somebody some time ago.

I think uniform R3 is still the best for this set. Maybe you should do another poll with R3 vs 12334 if you can't decided. I think the main reason R3 didn't do as well in the main poll was that people were more concerned with just have SA in general, this might clear up what people's true opinions on SA sculpting are.
Oh that's very true, a middle ground between the two, now you have me questioning which is better  :-\

I'll do another poll for sure, just to know about this, the international kit and some other stuff like the gamers kit and check if everything is finished.

The thing about 1-2-3-3-3-4 is that we get a sculpted profile where you can play with those three R3s. That profile has worked well before in some sets like Penumbra or Calm Depths

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - Ergodox, profile and novelties discussion
« Reply #89 on: Wed, 28 October 2015, 18:33:25 »

Speaking about the profile, we could also go with a 1-2-3-3-3-4. This was mentioned by somebody some time ago.

I think uniform R3 is still the best for this set. Maybe you should do another poll with R3 vs 12334 if you can't decided. I think the main reason R3 didn't do as well in the main poll was that people were more concerned with just have SA in general, this might clear up what people's true opinions on SA sculpting are.
Oh that's very true, a middle ground between the two, now you have me questioning which is better  :-\

I'll do another poll for sure, just to know about this, the international kit and some other stuff like the gamers kit and check if everything is finished.

The thing about 1-2-3-3-3-4 is that we get a sculpted profile where you can play with those three R3s. That profile has worked well before in some sets like Penumbra or Calm Depths

(Didn't realize where your message  was until  I found out that it was in the middle of a quote)

So, some kind of an ATCs novelties idea. Somebody suggested that we could have instead of two versions of the keys some airport IATA codes. I've been thinking about two possibilities, they could be blue (like the colored number row) or they could be R3s WV so you could use them instead of "regular keycaps". For instance, using JFK for the J, MAD for M, YVR for Y, LAX for L...



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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - SA ABS Keyset
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 29 October 2015, 19:13:50 »
It took me a while but I've rearranged and cleaned the OP because it was a mess. Now it is more concise and faster to read.

If things go well, tomorrow I will post the final IC form which will ask about the international kit distributions and ATCs novelties, which some people liked.
I will also ask about the profile which will be either SA R3 or 1-2-3-3-3-4. Both are great for this set and, no matter what the community choses, I'll be happy with the decision.


(sorry, I forgot to upload this render)

Ninja edit: I merged the color kit with the base kit because it felt weird that some child deals (like the ISO) had the 2 number rows.
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - SA ABS Keyset
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 30 October 2015, 04:41:08 »
SUPER interested for ErgoDox!
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - SA ABS Keyset
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 30 October 2015, 04:51:16 »
I wish you the best of luck. Great work on the icons. The novelties, especially the radar icon, looks so pleasing to the eye.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - SA ABS Keyset
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 30 October 2015, 05:18:26 »
SUPER interested for ErgoDox!

What do you think about it? It's hard to fill all those Ergodox layouts since there isn't a standard one.


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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - SA ABS Keyset
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 30 October 2015, 14:02:36 »
I wish you the best of luck. Great work on the icons. The novelties, especially the radar icon, looks so pleasing to the eye.

I needed various attempts to do that icon because I wasn't convinced so I tried with 2 circles, then 3, then changed their sizes... The final version looks even better with the other two novelties and all of them help a lot to understand de background of the set.

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - SA ABS Keyset
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 30 October 2015, 14:09:51 »
Nice set but it's too much color for me. GL!
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL V2 - SA ABS Keyset
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 30 October 2015, 15:08:56 »
Nice set but it's too much color for me. GL!

Don't be tricked by those colors, you can have a green-white color scheme!




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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL - SA ABS Keyset - POLLS ARE OPEN
« Reply #97 on: Fri, 30 October 2015, 22:08:05 »
No profile question on the poll?

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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL - SA ABS Keyset - POLLS ARE OPEN
« Reply #98 on: Fri, 30 October 2015, 22:10:27 »
No profile question on the poll?

There was but it was between SA, DCS, DSA and SA Row 3
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Re: [IC] GROUND CONTROL - SA ABS Keyset - POLLS ARE OPEN
« Reply #99 on: Sat, 31 October 2015, 04:50:54 »
No profile question on the poll?

I'd rather prefer to discuss about the profile in the IC. Between SA and DSA people preferred SA and I know for a fact that there is a group of people that want R3. However, in the first poll we had multiple options including SA R3, SA and DSA. DSA and SA had a similar number of votes while SA R3 was far from them. My intention is to have a SA 1-2-3-3-3-4 profile because those three R3 rows are great if we want customization and multiple layouts but we still have those R1 R2 and R4 which was what people asked for.