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Which do you prefer?

Track ball
Mouse
Other
Whichever I think will work best at the time

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Offline typo

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Of course a mouse is usually much more precise, easier to use and often offers many more features" onboard. A track ball as you know is much less precise, difficult to use and often requires a "learning curve" to become used to it. However A mouse can cause pain and ultimately permanent serious injury to those that use them for long periods. A track ball will generally do no such thing. Which is IMO the main, and only attraction of a track ball. I was wondering which is over all preferred among those of you that frequent this forum? If you do prefer a track ball do you manage to obtain mouse like precision form it? If so, how? I have probably the most precise one here right now but it is no G502 HERO. The Track bal of mine is not a Logitech either. It is a "JDM" Elecom Thumb G-Pro model. I would have liked to make this a poll but I am not aware of how to do so on this forum. If I still can after posting, would someone please let me know how to do so? Thank you

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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 13 October 2019, 14:31:23 »
The only time I've used a trackball was when a colleague had computer problems so I had to use theirs.  It probably wasn't a good one and without practice my accuracy was really bad...

Being as my last couple of mice have not impressed me and I no longer game so don't need accuracy immediately my next 'mouse' will probably be a trackball unless there's a really good 'other' I don't know about yet.
                               
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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 13 October 2019, 14:38:39 »
Picked up the Logitech MX Ergo this week, and after a bit of learning I like it much more than any mouse I've used. I currently own a MX Master 2S, and a Steel Series Rival 650 Wireless. I'll still use the Rival for games, and the 2S will probably be my daily driver at home only because of the hassle of transport of the trackball between home/work and not wanting to buy a second one so quick.

The Ergo I picked up was a "Plus" because that's all Best Buy had in stock - wanted to grab one over lunch break instead of wait for shipping - and it came with an extra wedge for an extra high angle. I like it more than the built-in tilt, so I'm glad I got that one. It also has a precision button on the side to de-sensitize the tracking when needed, but I haven't needed it yet.

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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 13 October 2019, 16:19:04 »
Thank you Orange! I do not like to say he first word in your name, no offense LOL!
jake, I have that one. Wow, you really like a lot of "tenting". That is very high! You must have big hands? Yeah, you look much taller than me if that is you. The whole reason I started this is because I do find them absolutely superior. For one reason. They cause no pain! 14+ hours a day coding with a mouse after so many years is a real pain. If you know what I mean. My issue is I simply do not find them to be as precise a mouse. I even have a much higher end one hen you do. It might just be my own fine motor abilities. I mean I was never great as a kid building models or anything "delicate". It might just be me after all. I did not even think of that at first, Duh. I figured it was a "global" issue with them. Also my registry is set at 26,000 DPI. Even though it is across a lot of screen "real estate" it is still 26,000 DPI. I have applied heavy braking and acceleration to offset that though. Still, if it is myself it is not a good combination to be certain. I might try slowing it down some.

Now, like me if you like the MX Ergo. You may want to check out the Japanese Elecom G-Pro Heiss Edition Thumb ball. Street price in Japan is about $325USD. However I found a brand new one in the USA for $69! Watch Amazon and Ebay. If you really want one I will get you the part number. However I must warn you, it is nearly "flat" compared to what you have there now. It has very little "tenting", It is just right for my small hands however. I did not even have the MX Ergo "tilted", let alone the "boot" on it. It is a considerably better Thumb ball though if you are interested in one for home or whatever.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 03:30:20 »
A trackball by itself is not going to stop the issue, ANY repetitive motion causes issues, not just in your wrist.

Also, beware the thumb style trackballs, those KILL my hand. Not sure if it's RSI or arthritis or both but yeah, not fun for me. I also can't do trigger shifters on mountain bikes.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:14:49 »
Some people cannot do the thumb indeed. Some, not the palm. Everyone is different. Those that have no medical degree and state that the thumb causes RSI have made claims on an unfounded basis IMO. Mice have indeed injured me multiple times. Never the thumb. I would imagine big companies such as Logitech have researched this as well. The last thing they want are lawsuits! I personally find the thumb to work best for me. I might have added full disclosure to this though. I have a "tremor" which, for me personally makes it more difficult to control at very high DPI. I imagine for a lot of people this is not a point. Especially on one of the grade that I now posses. I really did not have any issue until I hit this absurd DPI. Of course I did not previously have this much "screen" to cover either. I tried slowing it down some to a better balance for me and it did in fact make a world of difference. So, already my "poll" sort of has no purpose to begin with. They are in fact probably as accurate for many people. My bad :)

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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 13:04:27 »
As to trackballs being much less precise: I have a DT225 and more than one Itac trackballs. These devices are as precise as any mouse I've used.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 18:58:37 »
Those that have no medical degree and state that the thumb causes RSI have made claims on an unfounded basis IMO. Mice have indeed injured me multiple times. Never the thumb.

The thumb is now actually considered a common one now thanks to smart phones.
Also, your sample size is too small.
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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 14 October 2019, 19:53:54 »
Perhaps. I am just saying I have been using them thousands of hours and not even close to an injury. YMMV. I use a mouse one work day and am sore. Slowing it down some was key.

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 17 October 2019, 18:34:08 »
Still no votes for 'other', was hoping someone was going to post something interesting they use...
                               
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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 17 October 2019, 19:30:33 »
I would like to see the poll results please if there any? I was not aware that it was going to be made private. As for myself, this was actually a pointless posting after all. The high end Thumb ball is in fact 'more' precise than the best gaming mice IMO. I simply had he registry settings way too aggressive on it. Now that I backed off. I can fly onto, and park on any single pixel of my choosing. With pinpoint accuracy  I overstepped myself by posting this. Not realizing that the issue was simply my own. Plus, I caused it for myself. I am absolutely, once again 100% satisfied with the high end Thumb ball! I will probably never use a mouse again. Many people that have switched make this comment. Most of them are, are  not using a Trackball/ Thumb ball/ half the quality of this one to begin with. So obviously I was simply mistaken here. Anyone that says they are not as accurate has either not mastered them or does not have them set right. Or it simply is just not the right type of pointing device for them to begin with. Either way, in and of themselves they are as accurate, if not more so than the current top gaming mice IMO. So that is the end of that story. Mod can close the poll if you wish. Thank you

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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 17 October 2019, 19:42:53 »
Private just means no-one knows who voted for what, to see the 'results' you need to vote (or they'll appear for everyone if I close it)  While you might not care any more I think it's interesting - I would never have guessed the current split even if the sample size is very small.  Will be even more surprising if you vote the way I think you will :))
                               
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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 03:24:09 »
I would like to see the poll results please if there any? I was not aware that it was going to be made private. As for myself, this was actually a pointless posting after all. The high end Thumb ball is in fact 'more' precise than the best gaming mice IMO. I simply had he registry settings way too aggressive on it. Now that I backed off. I can fly onto, and park on any single pixel of my choosing. With pinpoint accuracy  I overstepped myself by posting this. Not realizing that the issue was simply my own. Plus, I caused it for myself. I am absolutely, once again 100% satisfied with the high end Thumb ball! I will probably never use a mouse again. Many people that have switched make this comment. Most of them are, are  not using a Trackball/ Thumb ball/ half the quality of this one to begin with. So obviously I was simply mistaken here. Anyone that says they are not as accurate has either not mastered them or does not have them set right. Or it simply is just not the right type of pointing device for them to begin with. Either way, in and of themselves they are as accurate, if not more so than the current top gaming mice IMO. So that is the end of that story. Mod can close the poll if you wish. Thank you

I'm not sure what you mean by accuracy..but for general quick movements with accuracy, a mouse is better..in practice, it is absolutely better....

You can use a trackball for gaming...which is probably the test for quick accurate movements..but it isn't common...and I can't think of any pros that use them..

But for regular computer use..sure, use whatever works best for you...

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 06:29:51 »
With the correct tool, I beg to differ. However now that tool is already on the "fritz". See my latest post if you wish.

Okay, cool Orange! Thank you!

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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 06:46:05 »
The timing of this thread is apt for me. I got sharp pain my right shoulder the other day, and couldn't use my right-handed semi-vertical mouse. I didn't have any good lefty or ambidextrous mouse, so I brought up an old ambidextrous Logitech Trackman from the mouse box and started using it with my left hand.
The precision is pretty bad, but I think maybe the bearings just need cleaning and lube or something.
Curious enough, I do think that I am more precise with the left-handed trackball than I would be with a left-handed mouse.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 13:30:52 »
I'm not sure what you mean by accuracy..but for general quick movements with accuracy, a mouse is better..in practice, it is absolutely better....

Your idea of accuracy is probably what most people's is, which is several to several dozen or even hundred pixels, which works fine for most computing and gaming. You need quick movements not super precise movements.

Once you start doing per pixel accuracy stuff that is when a trackball really comes into it's own, CAD, per pixel photo editing, audio/video tracks, etc.... It's generally slower but much more precise, especially if you need to move and hold something with that sort of precision. On the other hand, sorry, but thinking you can play something like CS with a trackball, I'd love to see someone actually try. While you might do okay, there's almost no chance of beating a mouse at the same skill levels. The opposite applies to pens, they are usually less precise than even a mouse, however they operate at an even faster level.

Does everyone use them for these purposes, no, but this is how they tend to typically work best.
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Re: Do you value your health or productivity more? >Track ball's Vs. Mice!
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 14:06:48 »
While you might not care any more I think it's interesting -

I expect I am taking the minority view, but what I found interesting about the poll was that there was no option for, "Whichever I think will work best at the time."

GHers appear to change their keyboards to suit their mood.  I am baffled as to why this same sort of restlessness would not apply to their use of mice and trackballs as well.


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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:43:51 »
I expect I am taking the minority view, but what I found interesting about the poll was that there was no option for, "Whichever I think will work best at the time."
A good point - option added :thumb:
                               
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