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Offline Joey Quinn

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Flipped Space
« on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 01:03:40 »
So after 2+ years of flipping my spacebars I tried typing on a board without a flipped space and it feels terrible, I hit right between B & M and directly on the leading edge of the spacebar's top surface. I'm sure my exact space hit placement has changed a bit after flipping but at this point I don't think I could go back.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 07:37:21 »
I hate flipped spacebars. When I flip my spacebar it feels like I have to put my wrists at an upward angle.


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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 08:05:47 »
It depends on the angle of the keyboard and how you're sitting on the chair. I have my work board flipped, but one day I raised my seat really high and oddly found the space bar too angled. So I flipped it back to normal and it felt...great.

Then I lowered my seat again and re-flipped the bar.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:12:52 »
I tried flipping mine for a day and I just couldn't stand it. Like Encabulator, I felt I had to change my typing posture and it felt very unnatural and annoying.

From the people I know that like flipped spacebars, you either just like it or you don't.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:22:37 »
I know your pain Joey.

I felt very comfortable typing on a flipped spacebar + wrist rest with the Varmilo and the Filco but I can't flip the spacebar of the G80.
Problem is, I am now used to hit the spacebar with my thumb's knuckle with an oblique, downward stroke so my thumbs hurt a bit after prolonged typing with the G80. Wish I could flip the damn spacebar. I tried raising the wrist rest but it doesn't help.  :(
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 10:13:07 »
I always use my left thumb for the spacebar. I found out this idea of flipping the spacebar some months ago. At first I wasn't aware of what what the purpose of doing this, until I tried. Now, with my Leopold FC980M using a flipped spacebar feels so much more natural and comfortable. It may look weird on the keyboard, but it feels right. It's such a simple and brilliant idea!

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 14:10:20 »
for me it depends mainly on my wrist.
When lifted of the table or with a wristrest the normal oriantation works great.
With the wrist on the table flipped is more comfortable.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 23:53:10 »
I am now used to hit the spacebar with my thumb's knuckle with an oblique, downward stroke

Sounds very similar to how I hit space

for me it depends mainly on my wrist.
When lifted of the table or with a wristrest the normal oriantation works great.
With the wrist on the table flipped is more comfortable.

No wrist rest for sure makes the difference between flipped and not flipped more obvious but even with a wrist rest I still don't like not flipped.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 07:24:19 »
I keep my wrists up so I keep the bar in normal orientation.  Though even if I bent my wrists, I'd still use normal because flipped bars look so, so awful.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 07:29:13 »
Flipped spacebars are agaisnt the rules and keyboard police will arrest you for doing it.
Be warned.

I find actually typing with a flipped bar to be kinda off putting and prefer to type with it the right way.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 07:31:57 »
I keep my wrists up so I keep the bar in normal orientation.  Though even if I bent my wrists, I'd still use normal because flipped bars look so, so awful.

You prefer uncomfortable typing to the aesthetic of a flipped spacebar?
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 07:44:42 »
I tried flipping mine for a day and I just couldn't stand it. Like Encabulator, I felt I had to change my typing posture and it felt very unnatural and annoying.

From the people I know that like flipped spacebars, you either just like it or you don't.

Yup same here. I can't stand the feeling of my spacebar being flipped. It throws off all of my typing.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 08:54:13 »
I keep my wrists up so I keep the bar in normal orientation.  Though even if I bent my wrists, I'd still use normal because flipped bars look so, so awful.

You prefer uncomfortable typing to the aesthetic of a flipped spacebar?

TBH I don't find a normal bar uncomfortable even when I try typing with my wrists bent.  Though maybe people are typing with even worse posture than I assume or I just tap the bar more lightly than others or something.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 21 May 2017, 11:47:39 »
If you need to flip your spacebar then you need to review your position/ergonomics in front of your desk.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 01:22:49 »
If you need to flip your spacebar then you need to review your position/ergonomics in front of your desk.

Have any facts to back this up?

I use 3 different desks with 3 different chairs and the height difference changes from desk to desk, I always prefer a flipped space.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 06:06:19 »
If you need to flip your spacebar then you need to review your position/ergonomics in front of your desk.

Have any facts to back this up?

I use 3 different desks with 3 different chairs and the height difference changes from desk to desk, I always prefer a flipped space.
What facts? It's basic ergonomics. You should be positioned relative to your desk so that your elbows form a 90į angle, your forearms and wrists should be strait and your hands should hover above the keyboard (and a wrist-rest is for resting the palm of your hands when your are not typing). All in a relaxed position. Unless one has some kind of deformity, in this position, your thumbs should fall down on the top of the space bar ó not on the edge/angle. If so, you are doing it wrong.

Not saying it is your case; there might be something else in your setup(s) that could be a potential issue, but for instance a lot of people I see typing with inverted spacebars tend to have their wrists at an angle, wresting them on the desk while typing. That's asking for trouble in the long run if you spend a lot of time in front of the computer.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 08:09:46 »
What facts? It's basic ergonomics. You should be positioned relative to your desk so that your elbows form a 90į angle, your forearms and wrists should be strait and your hands should hover above the keyboard (and a wrist-rest is for resting the palm of your hands when your are not typing). All in a relaxed position. Unless one has some kind of deformity, in this position, your thumbs should fall down on the top of the space bar ó not on the edge/angle. If so, you are doing it wrong.
Then I am doing it wrong because my goodness keeping my arms at 90į angle with forearms and wrists straight for 4+ hours in front of my computer HURTS AS F*. When I'm transcribing lessons for example I'm constantly retreating (<-there is be a better word for this but i can't recall right now) my forearms to my chest and rubbing my wrists every time the speaker pauses or stammers. At a 90į angle with straight forearms and wrists... Man, seriously, try to keep that position for hours on end and report back and if you don't feel pain please tell me what's your magic. It hurts as all f***s.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 08:45:10 »
Done it for many years without pain. And that is the important point ó if it hurts, then something is wrong.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 22 May 2017, 13:17:45 »
What facts? It's basic ergonomics. You should be positioned relative to your desk so that your elbows form a 90į angle, your forearms and wrists should be strait and your hands should hover above the keyboard (and a wrist-rest is for resting the palm of your hands when your are not typing). All in a relaxed position. Unless one has some kind of deformity, in this position, your thumbs should fall down on the top of the space bar ó not on the edge/angle. If so, you are doing it wrong.

I still think it has more to do with how you hit space, my typing posture is decently similar to what you describe (my wrists aren't angled when I type). If you hit space straight down regular will be your choice, if you more slide your thumb off space to actuate it flipped will feel better.

For example, keysets with a flatter space like DSA, SA, or the occasional weird vintage profile don't bother me at all but I really only use Cherry profile or the OEM HHKB profile so I always flip.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 07:55:46 »
Done it for many years without pain. And that is the important point ó if it hurts, then something is wrong.

I only flipped space bars like 6 months ago, I mostly use DSA/XDA sets so with those there's no flipping obviously, though when I do use GMK/SA I rather have them flipped - I have no issue/pain/etc having them on the right away, I've used keyboards for 6-12 hours a day for decades now but it does feel much more natural to have it flipped. Go figure. Might as well do it, I see no problem in doing so personally.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 21:50:44 »
I remain unable to flip the space bar on this keyboard.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 17:55:11 »
Maybe you should ditch the ancient IBM.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 25 May 2017, 21:57:31 »
Maybe you should ditch the ancient IBM.

Nope.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 25 May 2017, 22:07:45 »
Maybe you should ditch the ancient IBM.

Nope.

When I get a 4704 I'll figure out a way to flip the space.  :p
People in the 1980s, in general, were clearly just better than we are now in every measurable way.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 22:16:30 »
Maybe you should ditch the ancient IBM.

Nope.

When I get a 4704 I'll figure out a way to flip the space.  :p

Why?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:05:32 »
I tried to do flip space bar and it is just so uncomfortable for me. I can not live with it.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:07:33 »
I tried to do flip space bar and it is just so uncomfortable for me. I can not live with it.

Same 100%. Not to mention I also think it looks really bad.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:11:19 »
When I get a 4704 I'll figure out a way to flip the space.  :p

Why?

Wait, is the 4704 space symmetrical? I guess I never noticed how flat it looks, there may be no need to flip it.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 05:04:48 »
When I get a 4704 I'll figure out a way to flip the space.  :p

Why?

Wait, is the 4704 space symmetrical? I guess I never noticed how flat it looks, there may be no need to flip it.

There is never any need to flip any space bar.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 05:15:01 »
Wait, is the 4704 space symmetrical? I guess I never noticed how flat it looks, there may be no need to flip it.

There is never any need to flip any space bar.

People in the 1980s, in general, were clearly just better than we are now in every measurable way.

The dumber the reason the more it must be done

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 07:06:47 »
During my time here I've heard of flipped spacebars before so I decided to try it.
I just couldn't get used to it. I don't know if many many years of typing with a regular spacebar has ruined it for me. I simply couldn't get comfortable with it and I was making mistakes.
Might have something to do with my awful posture or just the way that I type. I'd probably need someone way more knowledgeable than me looking at me type so he could correct all the mistakes I was making. :p

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 21:54:24 »
During my time here I've heard of flipped spacebars before so I decided to try it.
I just couldn't get used to it. I don't know if many many years of typing with a regular spacebar has ruined it for me. I simply couldn't get comfortable with it and I was making mistakes.
Might have something to do with my awful posture or just the way that I type. I'd probably need someone way more knowledgeable than me looking at me type so he could correct all the mistakes I was making. :p

Or maybe it's because you are a normal person, and flipped space bars are totally deviant.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 05 June 2017, 23:32:18 »
I had never tried it until recently, and now I use mine flipped too.  I just like the way my thumb hits the key much better.

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 05:35:01 »
I had never tried it until recently, and now I use mine flipped too.  I just like the way my thumb hits the key much better.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 07:51:26 »
During my time here I've heard of flipped spacebars before so I decided to try it.
I just couldn't get used to it. I don't know if many many years of typing with a regular spacebar has ruined it for me. I simply couldn't get comfortable with it and I was making mistakes.
Might have something to do with my awful posture or just the way that I type. I'd probably need someone way more knowledgeable than me looking at me type so he could correct all the mistakes I was making. :p

Or maybe it's because you are a normal person, and flipped space bars are totally deviant.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 07:57:16 »
Recently converted everyone in my office that uses a mech to flipped, muahahahaha

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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 08:02:39 »
Recently converted everyone in my office that uses a mech to flipped, muahahahaha

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 09:57:13 »
I like my space-bar flipped just because i feel like i need to purposefully  click it not just barely press it and get more spaces then i need.

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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 06 June 2017, 21:59:25 »
So these deviants who flip their space bars - do you flip the rest of the bottom row too?  If not, have you been tempted to?
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 07 June 2017, 13:21:19 »
So these deviants who flip their space bars - do you flip the rest of the bottom row too?  If not, have you been tempted to?

I don't but that's because only my thumb hits at an angle where flipping makes it more comfortable to use, if space wasn't the only key I hit with my thumb then maybe I'd try flipping other keys.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 07 June 2017, 13:26:21 »
So these deviants who flip their space bars - do you flip the rest of the bottom row too?  If not, have you been tempted to?
On my Gon HHKB I have flipped the spacebar as well as the two 1.5u keys directly next to it. I haven't flipped the two 1u keys on the far ends of the bottom row though. Since I hit those keys with my pinky and not my thumbs, it just doesn't make sense to flip them.

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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 07 June 2017, 22:30:22 »
Interesting responses - thanks - which lead me to wonder if it is shape of thumb or dexterity of thumb movement that makes an unflipped space bar uncomfortable for a small percentage of users.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 01:58:13 »
I personally have been typing on flipped space for the past two and a half years and I cant even use a normal  keyboard now, Same with swapped Backspace/Backslash.
I feel like an ape when I use a friends keyboard that doesnt have both of these.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 22:45:31 »
I feel like an ape when I use a friends keyboard that doesnt have both of these.

How I feel whenever I use qwerty now  :blank:
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 22:59:05 »
How I feel whenever I use qwerty now  :blank:
Yeah I know that feel. Such a pain, but I'll never switch back.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 23:03:39 »
How I feel whenever I use qwerty now  :blank:
Yeah I know that feel. Such a pain, but I'll never switch back.

Oh yeah, I'll never switch back

Now I just carry a board with me everywhere I go
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 23:17:08 »
Just dropping in this thread to say that I only use flipped space anymore. It's so much more comfortable than unflipped.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 15:40:51 »
I too am a flipper but I haven't tried yet on the VE.A yet. At work currently using dsa so no flipping needed. Maybe I'm an impostor?

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 00:31:12 »
flipped is best

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 05:02:58 »
I don't like a flipped _spacebar_ but flip keys like modifiers (which may include the key mapped to "space" in the end).