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[IC] DSA Scientific (April 10 launch)
« on: Wed, 29 November 2017, 15:37:30 »
Hi everyone,

This is an interest check for a future group buy of DSA profile keycaps featuring TI calculator inspired themes. Layouts covered are 60% to full-size, orthogonal such as Planck/Preonic and now a wider variety of small keyboards with our new 40% kit.

Please refer to the kits section to view our latest changes. Thanks!



Contents

Renders

Tenkeyless (Filco Majestouch 2)


1800 (Leopold FC980M)


75% (Vortex Race 3)


Numpad (Ducky Pocket)


40's (Vortex Core / TheVan Minivan / OLKB Planck)


Ergo (PrimeKB Prime_E)


Dream (HHKB-like / RAMA M10-A)

DSA relegendables (in GB colour) available at pimpmykeyboard.com

Slate blue renders:
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High contrast / slate blue (TI-30XIIS)


Planck


TI-83 modifiers


Tsangan


Pocket 1



Kits

Alphas


Tenkeyless + Specialty


Ortho + 40's


Numpad


Novelties


ISO


Norde


Colevrak


Old kits:
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Tenkeyless


Numpad


Specialty


Orthogonal


ISO


Novelties


TI-83 / modifiers add-on


Ducky Pocket numpad add-on


Spacebars



Colours

Samples:


Codes:

Inspired by Texas Instruments calculator TI-30Xa

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Inspired by Texas Instruments calculators TI-30Xa and TI-30XIIS


Log

2017-11-29: Original post
2017-11-30: r/mk IC
2018-01-02: Added Signature Plastics/Pantone colour codes
2018-01-03: Updated colours codes, kle-renders
2018-01-14: Added 3D renders
2018-01-23: Ordered keycap samples
2018-01-30: Updates
2018-03-24: Samples are in
2018-05-01: New chips are in
2018-06-19: Updates: renders, colours, etc.
2018-09-01: Setup Wordpress portal (Canadian proxy)
2018-10-05: Child kits proposal and official IC
2018-10-05: r/keycapdesigners IC update
2018-10-16: New renders
2018-10-17: Massdrop poll
2018-10-17: r/mk IC 2
2018-10-22: 40's kit
2018-10-29: Quote from SP
2018-11-07: Updated kits
2018-11-09: Massdrop talk
2019-01-09: Norde and Colevrak kits
2019-03-12: Vendor = @TheKeyCompany
2019-03-31: Updated renders for upcoming kits
2019-04-05: Updated kits
2019-04-06: Launch = April 10, 2019
2019-04-06: Uploaded better photo of samples
2019-04-09: Pricing! (see yakk.shop)

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa™ & TI-30XIIS™
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 29 November 2017, 16:02:12 »
I dig the theme. Maybe call it "DSA Scientific"?
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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa™ & TI-30XIIS™
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 29 November 2017, 16:14:42 »
I’m in for more DSA.
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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa™ & TI-30XIIS™
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 29 November 2017, 19:45:49 »

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa™ & TI-30XIIS™
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 29 November 2017, 20:40:57 »
When a color scheme works it just works.

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 30 November 2017, 16:06:00 »
Id buy it right now if I could.
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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 30 November 2017, 16:31:24 »
Now what if you combine the white alphas from TI-30XIIS with the rest of TI-30Xa?

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 30 November 2017, 16:34:10 »
I like it. It's unique without being too zany. 

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 30 November 2017, 17:24:07 »
Hey my guy, I just ran an IC for another DSA calculator set! (Based off my Casio graphing calculator)

I'd be cool if you wanted the KLE layout and renders but you should check it out!
TBH I think yours is way cooler than mine

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92595.0;topicseen
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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 30 November 2017, 18:01:39 »
Now what if you combine the white alphas from TI-30XIIS with the rest of TI-30Xa?

Indeed, I think there's a way to make a TI-83 set by adding a child kit to one of these two sets. Looking into it.

Hey my guy, I just ran an IC for another DSA calculator set! (Based off my Casio graphing calculator)

I'd be cool if you wanted the KLE layout and renders but you should check it out!
TBH I think yours is way cooler than mine

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92595.0;topicseen

Nice. I completely missed it!

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 30 November 2017, 18:32:50 »
I'd buy that in a heartbeat for my Magicforce 68. Maybe even my GMMK.

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 30 November 2017, 21:26:00 »
Just throwing these ideas out there before delving into child kits and novelties for the original sets above.

Personally, I think the orange set has potential. The others are nice but nothing special.

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Edit: I removed the photos for a more focused thread.
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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 30 November 2017, 21:55:58 »
I, too am really excited for all this could be. but careful having too many options, it could end up like a 7bit round.

So pumped tho.

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 07:53:05 »
I think the "colored" versions don't really convey the calculator idea as much as the first two. Orange does have some potential though.

How about some custom modifier legends and novelties?

I had some for DSA Calc but never got around to posting them.
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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 08:32:03 »
Well if we're talking calculator schemes.....

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 10:12:00 »
^Feelin' it.

@baxxt14, The next step is to really nail down the colours.

The Signature Plastics default ABS colours are just too far off. PBT colours are closer but still don't cut it.

I'm trying to get in touch with them for a colour match.

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 11:17:26 »
The next step is to really nail down the colours.

keyboard-layout-editor.com has the SP, GMK and WASD colours built-in. Look at the top, there's a menu item called "Color Swatches".

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 13:11:24 »
keyboard-layout-editor.com has the SP, GMK and WASD colours built-in. Look at the top, there's a menu item called "Color Swatches".

That's what I've been using. Very useful but, unfortunately, these don't come close to the real thing.

I'm going through Pantone's library and considering sending a physical sample.

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 18:56:59 »
^Feelin' it.

@baxxt14, The next step is to really nail down the colours.

The Signature Plastics default ABS colours are just too far off. PBT colours are closer but still don't cut it.

I'm trying to get in touch with them for a colour match.
Can't you buy a color sampler off of PMK?

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Re: [IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 21:49:47 »
Can't you buy a color sampler off of PMK?

Some of the colours will have to be custom.

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 05 December 2017, 13:24:13 »
Well if we're talking calculator schemes.....
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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 22 December 2017, 17:07:07 »
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Here are the colours for now:



Greys are GB and GTG, respectively, yellow is YCE (SP ABS). Teal and purple are lighter versions of BED and BFR, which will have to be colour-matched.
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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 22 December 2017, 17:10:28 »
Here are the colours for now:

Note that this is for a TI-30XA set (teal modifiers) with optional purple modifiers. (ie. "TI-83" set)

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The TI-30XIIS set in the OP (bottom photo) is perhaps less interesting because, except for the purple modifiers, the colorway is essentially black and white.
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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific)
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 24 December 2017, 21:48:23 »
miss my calculator,great work!

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific) [New renders!]
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 14 January 2018, 15:10:07 »
Posted some 3D renders. Enjoy!

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific) [New renders!]
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 14 January 2018, 16:27:02 »
Thanks for this! Looks fantastic!

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific) [New renders!]
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 17 January 2018, 03:08:31 »
can't wait to buy it

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific) [New renders!]
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 17 January 2018, 07:02:39 »
Nice!!!!!!

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific) [New renders!]
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 18 January 2018, 18:58:30 »
Love it! Please include a 2u shift in the child kits!

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA TI-30Xa & TI-30XIIS (DSA Scientific) [New renders!]
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 18 January 2018, 19:28:59 »
I need a case in Pantone 7476 now. 
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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 30 January 2018, 22:30:50 »
Just an update:

Sample keycaps in all colours are ordered and will soon be on their way. I have been working on graphics for novelties, narrowing down kits and also doing more keyboard models.

Here is a Leopold FC980M, which I think represents the theme quite nicely here:


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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 31 January 2018, 10:01:43 »
I'll take one of each, please  :thumb:

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 31 January 2018, 12:11:18 »
Eagerly awaiting the GB.
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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 31 January 2018, 17:24:53 »
Looks great. sad to see that they are DSA instead of SA.

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 31 January 2018, 17:30:42 »
Looks great. sad to see that they are DSA instead of SA.
I know what you mean, but DSA does suit a calculator more. And because DSA doesn’t have a different profile for each row it makes it easier to apply them to non-standard keyboard layouts. But I agree, SA does look better.


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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 31 January 2018, 21:44:55 »
looks great
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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 05 February 2018, 11:17:46 »
No numpad? Don't worry, your layout is covered...


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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 05 February 2018, 14:28:31 »
No numpad? Don't worry, your layout is covered...

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Loving these novelties, making the set pop so much. Bringing back bittersweet memories of crunching numbers in high school / undergrad. The "2nd" key in TI-30XIIS colors would be so perfect.
Count me in!

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 07 February 2018, 15:01:31 »
...and if you do:


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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 08 February 2018, 08:44:00 »
They look great - but I did notice that there are no indexing bumps on the F & J keys in the models.  Personally, I would REALLY like to see those. 

As a touch typist I can't really do without them.  Years ago I did have one Smith Corona keyboard with Acer Switches that used "scooped" F & J keys instead and it drove me crazy.  Thankfully I had junk Logitech board with Alps mount keys that I just stoke the F & J off of for that board. 
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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 09 February 2018, 12:00:46 »
They look great - but I did notice that there are no indexing bumps on the F & J keys in the models.  Personally, I would REALLY like to see those. 

As a touch typist I can't really do without them.  Years ago I did have one Smith Corona keyboard with Acer Switches that used "scooped" F & J keys instead and it drove me crazy.  Thankfully I had junk Logitech board with Alps mount keys that I just stoke the F & J off of for that board.

I was not aware that SP made bump DSA caps, apparently they do. I will inquire into whether they make them in doubleshot as well.

I personally prefer bars/bumps over deep dish. I guess most SA/DSA sets include deep dish keys because they are more faithful to vintage spherical caps.

Deep dish seems fine in SA profile, however the DSA deep dish is a bit awkward:



If available, and unless there is strong opposition, bumps are an interesting option.



 

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 09 February 2018, 12:14:46 »
They look great - but I did notice that there are no indexing bumps on the F & J keys in the models.  Personally, I would REALLY like to see those. 

As a touch typist I can't really do without them.  Years ago I did have one Smith Corona keyboard with Acer Switches that used "scooped" F & J keys instead and it drove me crazy.  Thankfully I had junk Logitech board with Alps mount keys that I just stoke the F & J off of for that board.

I was not aware that SP made bump DSA caps, apparently they do. I will inquire into whether they make them in doubleshot as well.

I personally prefer bars/bumps over deep dish. I guess most SA/DSA sets include deep dish keys because they are more faithful to vintage spherical caps.

Deep dish seems fine in SA profile, however the DSA deep dish is a bit awkward:

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If available, and unless there is strong opposition, bumps are an interesting option.



 

SP does indeed make the bump/dot/bead for DSA in doubleshot (see DSA LightCycle), and I have to say they feel terrible because the dot is right in the middle of the cap instead of a bar at the bottom like OEM style caps, so it's like being constantly poked on the fingertip. Scooped feels much nicer IMO; although, I admit it's not quite as helpful/quick in determining it's the home row/key.

If SP can do bars at the bottom instead of the dot/bead thing in the dead center of the cap, that would be preferable, but I'm not sure that's an option on spherical caps.

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 09 February 2018, 14:59:57 »

SP does indeed make the bump/dot/bead for DSA in doubleshot (see DSA LightCycle), and I have to say they feel terrible because the dot is right in the middle of the cap instead of a bar at the bottom like OEM style caps, so it's like being constantly poked on the fingertip. Scooped feels much nicer IMO; although, I admit it's not quite as helpful/quick in determining it's the home row/key.

If SP can do bars at the bottom instead of the dot/bead thing in the dead center of the cap, that would be preferable, but I'm not sure that's an option on spherical caps.

SP also does the bars like GMK does them, take a look at PrimeKB's DSA Honeywell for example.

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Re: [pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Update]
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 09 February 2018, 16:17:31 »
Seems like the best option, IMO.

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Re: [Pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Samples]
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 24 March 2018, 13:55:44 »
Good news. Samples are in! (although yellow did not make it)

Notes:

- Pantones (deep teal & slate blue) are looking good.
- White will be substituted for a less white white.
- Yellow still to be confirmed.
- Greys may be tweaked.

Lastly, note that the colours are not intended to match the calculators perfectly, although quite close. They were picked to allow for mixing and matching between the two sets and to limit the number custom colours, which impacts the final cost per set.

I apologize for the low quality pictures but I wanted to share them immediately. Taken with a Galaxy phone in daylight:

Deep teal


Slate blue
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Re: [Pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Samples]
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 24 March 2018, 14:03:38 »
Wow the teal set looks so nice.

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Re: [Pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Samples]
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 24 March 2018, 14:54:46 »
Looking good!

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Re: [Pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Samples]
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 24 March 2018, 16:08:30 »
Colors look great.  Very interested in buying anything that runs in these colors.
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Re: [Pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Samples]
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 26 March 2018, 13:09:31 »
Those colors look pretty good to me. I really like the green set.

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Re: [Pre-IC] DSA Scientific [Samples]
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 26 March 2018, 15:25:04 »
The green and the blue are amazing colors.  I would honestly like to see more of them in the set, but I'm not sure how you would do that.  I'd buy an entire green set :)
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