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Offline PainMaster

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[IC] VE.A 2nd
« on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:00:17 »
VE.A 2nd Specification
revision : 2018-11-26


Housing : VE.A 2nd

Nine pieces of Aluminium Armor (Aluminium 6061), Anodized
   One pieces of Aluminium name plate
   Two pieces of Poly-Carbonate Frame
   Two pieces of 1.5T STS Switch mounting plate
   Four sloping object
   Two pieces of 0.8T STS Laser marked plate

   Matching 3M urethane bumpon included
   PCB : Vergo 2nd
   Split layout linked with SATA cable
   Cherry MX / Alps SKCx Compatible
   Full in-switch LED
   18 of RGB LED under bottom side
   Supports ISO layout(short left shift, vertical enter), ANSI layout.
   Various bottom row
   Splittable backspace
   Splittable delete
   1.6T
   White BG, Black FG
   Only VE.A can fit (Not fit with Vergo type.T reference acrylic housing design)
   No acrylic housing design is available now (2016-02-03)
   With "one standard 104 keycaps package + 1.75 shift" can cover whole layout


Software
   Firmware made by winkeyless.kr
   Control program "bootMapperClient" by winkeyless.kr (Supports Mac/Windows)
   4 Programmable layers, You even can re-map "layer change key" and macro keys.
   12 on-the-fly quick macro, 12 custom macro
   on the fly LED mode shift and brightness adjustment
   Can map "Shift+ESC" to ~




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* 2018/11/25

The nameplates are replaceable

We were able to add color to the sample production process
and used several different colors to identify the range of colors we could express.

Actually, the nameplate color is not like that.

207817-0





207781-1

207779-2

207783-3

207785-4

207787-5

207789-6

207791-7

207793-8



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Light Saver v1 Black - Cherry Wyze Black (Linear / 64g)
Light Saver v2 Gray - Cherry 1501 Black (Linear / 64g)
Light Saver v3 Silver - Cherry 8200 White (Non Click / 64g)
Light Saver Acryl (Duck96 base) - Gateron Yellow (Linear / 62g) - Season 1 Fin.
Octagon v1 Black - Cherry 1501 Black (Linear / 64g) / TX-1800 v1 Red/Black - Cherry Wyze Black (Linear / 58g)
VE.A Test Housing- Cherry 8113 White (Non Click / 58g)
TC-V3 , LZ*ASRH Black, VE.A 2nd
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:01:54 »
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:05:16 »
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:06:12 »
Why are you still using SATA between the halves?
F Keys belong on the left.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:08:00 »
looks cool.


old logo + changing from sata to something else (e.g usb C?) would be better.
you would have to make a new pcb tho.
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:10:45 »
Nice

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:10:49 »
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.

Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:17:55 »
interested. VE.A v1 is like my fantasy dream at that time. Will try to catch this train

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:21:09 »
Holy **** its happening

Im so in

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:22:04 »
I agree, the v1 logo was far better looking. Will the sata connection be changed?
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.

Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:35:44 »
I agree, the v1 logo was far better looking. Will the sata connection be changed?
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.

Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.

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Would like to throw my hat in the SATA-less / v1 logo camp. Iíve been excited for this for quite some time, but would be lying if I said this doesnít kill it for me

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:42:40 »
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:47:22 »
+1 to changing the logo and using a faster connection than SATA.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:49:28 »
It is of utmost importance that you ditch SATA for an actual usable cable (or make it so that SATA no longer limits WMP and causes issues along those lines if that's a realistic option) as well as the logo either for something like the old one or just a better design, I think the protruding of the current one as shown by the proto takes away from the streamlined and beautiful lines the board is known for.

That said, everything else looks fantastic and I am glad to see this finally moving forward as a future owner (if the issues above are fixed).

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:57:40 »
The logo is pretty much the only thing that is different anyways.  the tenting is also, but who will actually use that?

Honestly, that's a good point. The tenting may look "innovative", but there frankly does not seem to be many improvements beyond a few aesthetic choices for this to be considered a rehaul of the former v1. There also are tenting options that can be made (DIY) otherwise.

It really would be great if some of the feedback in here were taken into serious consideration.
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:00:04 »
Looks awesome, except I think that colored logo will be really jarring with a lot of keycap sets and limit flexibility.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:08:01 »
Why are you still using SATA between the halves?

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Yeah, we should at least be using DisplayPort 1.4 now to connect them.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:42:26 »
Yup, I agree with everyone else itt

No SATA and old logo.

Everything else looks pretty solid to me
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:45:35 »
nais SATA

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:56:24 »
I like the new logo

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 00:00:39 »
+1 for no SATA.

I actually don't mind the new logo and badge.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 00:45:36 »
Not sure about SATA myself, but from everyone else seems like it's not desirable.

 I like the old logo myself but I would be okay with the new logo. Otherwise, consider me very interested.  ;D
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 01:10:28 »
sata

only thing stopping me from selling a board for this

although i still might cause i want the tenting o well
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 01:42:54 »
Yes! Any possibility to mix top and bottom colors?

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 01:47:39 »
I still prefer the old logo and love to see something different than SATA.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 01:57:06 »
2 years, what innovation  :-X

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 02:31:03 »
after two years finally...

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 02:34:05 »
One of the boards in my wish list since i started the hobby.

Yes, i know it has been said already and we can't say it enough.. please change the SATA connectors
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 02:39:00 »
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Could you elaborate on how/why a SATA connection has latency issues? I find this interesting and would like to know if this is something that is a hardware limitation or a firmware issue etc.

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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 03:11:14 »
Completely not interested on all points, but I'm noticing a lack of pricing information.
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 04:33:50 »
Still think the V1 looks nicer with the logo, and the only true downside in the v1 was the sata connector which hasnít been changed anyway...





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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 05:18:14 »
Oh yes. This one has been on my wishlist for a long time.

However.. in all honesty, the new logo is awful. Makes me a bit tentative to jumping on the wagon.

SATA connector should be changed according to feedback from the first version.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 05:47:24 »
Been waiting for this to come back  :-X Interested if no SATA, staying with V1 badge (or changing this one to something else), and also other plate options besides STS.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 07:39:09 »
Been looking forward to this for a while but the use of SATA in the age of USB C is pretty sad. I also liked the original tenting kit with wrist rests, but that's not a show stopper.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 08:02:21 »
I will buy one if it has sata, two if it gets changed.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 08:11:01 »
I average over 100wpm so it really stings that I can't justify grabbing this due to sata/latency  :'(

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 09:09:55 »
Potential buy if;
- logo is like the old
- no sata


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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 09:46:41 »
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.

Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 10:05:24 »
Hit me however you want, I am in.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 11:53:56 »
Please no SATA..
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:10:25 »
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:25:25 »
Are y'all using 50 debounce or something to feel all this latency.

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« Reply #42 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:30:53 »
Why all the hate on SATA?  With the exception of Flash who types over 100 WPM and claims that SATA is the reason why he can't type faster, I have not read a legit reason not to use it.  There may be good reasons but haven't seen one yet.

The SATA connectors are used for connecting the two halves together.  The keyboard isn't using the SATA protocol to communicate between the two halves.  Just the 7 wires in the cable.  You could argue USB-C is a better connector that is designed for more insertions.  But arguing using USB-C or other newer connectors because they are newer or faster and better communication protocol doesn't hold water.

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« Reply #43 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:51:37 »
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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:55:40 »
Excited this is happening, but I really hope there's a logo option that's more subtle like the original (or an option to remove the nameplate completely). The new one looks like a step backwards aesthetically.

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« Reply #45 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:59:26 »
USB connectors are usually created to just make more money.  For instance micro isn't at all better than mini, but it was made to milk more money out of people.  C I think is pretty innovative however.  I think people dislike it because the insertion rating for SATA is really low, but TBH I had three VEA'S and only took the cable out if I was shipping it (which only happened when I was selling it)

The fact that they already made protoypes of this also tells me that they will not change it from SATA to anything else no matter how often people ask because it will still sell out, and it would cost them more money to do so.

It's all pointless arguments which we like to have on this website anyways..


IMO micro and mini are created to support smaller and thinner devices like phones.  I like C as you can insert it either side up.  I agree that it would be expensive to change the design and the PCB layout now for no significant gain (technically, functionally). 

Let's keep the argument going while we wait for V2.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:59:58 »
Personally I like having a handful of USB C Cables around that I can use to connect everything. Having only one use for a SATA connector isnt super compelling. Additionally just because you never move or unplug your VE.A doesn't mean everyone does the same. There are many use cases and IMO the number of people bringing up the SATA cable should indicate that many others have issues with the cable for various reasons.

As far as micro USB goes it was made because its smaller. Thinner phones require smaller connectors, which drives the standard. You can call it a cash grab if you want but I doubt theres a conspiracy to have people buy more crappy micro USB cables out there.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:09:44 »
Personally I like having a handful of USB C Cables around that I can use to connect everything. Having only one use for a SATA connector isnt super compelling. Additionally just because you never move or unplug your VE.A doesn't mean everyone does the same. There are many use cases and IMO the number of people bringing up the SATA cable should indicate that many others have issues with the cable for various reasons.

Not sure I follow you here. 

How many USB-C cables do you have?  How many devices you use on a daily basis have USB-C connectors?  Maybe a lot.  Maybe just a few.  I have only an iPad Pro 11 and a Nintendo Switch that has USB-C connectors and they both have dedicated USB-C cables for them.

And, really, how long are your handful of USB-C cables that you have around?  Do you have any USB-C cables that are 4 inches long that would work for VE.A?  Or would you use one of your 3 feet or 6 feet long USB-C cables for your VE.A?  Also, if you have an VE.A, why would you not have a dedicated 3-inch USB-C cable for it?  And, where do you find a 4-inch USB-C cable?  Who makes custom USB-C cables?  If it is 4 inches long, why would you care or insist that your handful of 6 feet USB-C cables must work with VE.A?

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:19:53 »
Why all the hate on SATA?  With the exception of Flash who types over 100 WPM and claims that SATA is the reason why he can't type faster, I have not read a legit reason not to use it.  There may be good reasons but haven't seen one yet.

How is lag over 100 WPM (a fairly average speed I'd imagine, nowadays) not a big enough problem to warrant a work around by itself? Pretty condescending argument to make honestly, it's horribly frustrating and entirely valid. Furthermore, universal connectors are never a bad thing - plus, as you said yourself, being able to put it in either side up is a bigger quality of life matter than a lot of people seem to realise.

SATA is a colossal mistake here even if they manage to fix the lag via firmware or whatever else. $500+ for a keyboard, only reason not to improve upon obvious flaws is laziness or disinterest and neither of those are sentiments I want to support despite how much I love the original board and its design.

PS: plenty of cable makers within the hobby make USB-C cables nowadays so that argument is moot point.

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Re: [IC] VE.A 2nd
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:30:26 »
How is lag over 100 WPM (a fairly average speed I'd imagine, nowadays) not a big enough problem to warrant a work around by itself? Pretty condescending argument to make honestly, it's horribly frustrating and entirely valid. Furthermore, universal connectors are never a bad thing - plus, as you said yourself, being able to put it in either side up is a bigger quality of life matter than a lot of people seem to realise.

SATA is a colossal mistake here even if they manage to fix the lag via firmware or whatever else. $500+ for a keyboard, only reason not to improve upon obvious flaws is laziness or disinterest and neither of those are sentiments I want to support despite how much I love the original board and its design.

PS: plenty of cable makers within the hobby make USB-C cables nowadays so that argument is moot point.

I am sorry if you feel that was condescending.  I didn't mean that.

Anyhow, how do you know it is the SATA cable that is causing the lag and replacing the SATA connector to something else will fix it? Why do you think using USB-C will eliminate the lag that you experience?