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Offline heloitsame

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
« Reply #300 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 21:36:11 »
How much does the PC vs alu weigh?

Aluminum case + aluminum plate + aluminum weight = 1.05kg
PC case + PC plate + PC weight (light?) = 460 grams
Brass weight: 650 grams
Brass plate: 250-300 grams

wait does this mean pc weight is available? also are the plates going to support switch top removal?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #301 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:13:34 »
I also sent Senter a message, just wanted to post here in case it didn't go through  :thumb:
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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #302 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:35:41 »
is it just the lighting, or does the e red look darker than the ano red from fox 80?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #303 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 23:59:06 »
Hi just to make sure the universal plate can work with hhkb case right?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #304 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 00:53:58 »
Ordered, waiting for my invoice now. :)

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #305 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 01:00:35 »
Hi just to make sure the universal plate can work with hhkb case right?
Yes

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #306 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 04:29:21 »
placed and payed order. I am very excited for this ;D

Will updates come here only or is there a discord server I can join?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #307 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 05:01:14 »


Hope this is helpful for buyers and other GB runners.

I'm surprised half of the buyers chose clear PC.

That’s becsuse the pics of the clear PC hhkb on the OP look epic.

I am concerned how mine is going to age though.
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 January 2019, 05:03:42 by Lazylewis »

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #308 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 07:30:43 »
How much would just the pc case weigh?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #309 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 08:42:08 »
Sent an email regarding my order.
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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #310 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 09:41:13 »
invoice paid, excite

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #311 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 09:46:59 »
Hey Senter! Already sent the message and an order! :D Hope you read my message first tho :O

DePulse, I didn't receive your message. Could you send it again?

It's so weird. It's the 3rd time people saying they sent me messages while I didn't. Is it normal on GH?


Ohh man. I'm not sure tho. But if you do have a discord, we can talk there just in case you still haven't received my message yet. I'll try again right now.

Offline Lazylewis

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #312 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 10:53:46 »
Invoice goes to email ?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #313 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:09:35 »
Sent a message regarding my invoice and order.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #314 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:16:48 »
Replying to let Senter know that I filled out the google doc (~5 - 6 hours ago) and am also wondering if the invoice comes through email...

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #315 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:29:39 »
The invoices will pop up on your paypal accounts. Paypal should then notify you via mail, unless you have disabled that.

Sending out invoices is likely a manual process, so allow for some time for Senter to get around to do that.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #316 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:19:40 »
So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #317 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:21:56 »
Quick question. Are the plates switch top removable? Is there any disadvantages to having a plate that is switch top removable? I'm new to this scene.

Offline cijanzen

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #318 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:22:21 »
So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


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Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
Keycaps.

Youíre done!

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #319 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:26:09 »
Are there 1 set or 2 set of gaskets, above and below the plate?

Secondly does the PCB support underglow LED strip solder?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #320 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:26:52 »
Are there 1 set or 2 set of gaskets, above and below the plate?

Secondly does the PCB support underglow LED solder?

Gaskets on both top and bottom on front and back

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #321 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:27:21 »
So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


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Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
Keycaps.

Youíre done!

So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #322 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:29:48 »
Quick question. Are the plates switch top removable? Is there any disadvantages to having a plate that is switch top removable? I'm new to this scene.

Looking at the post, the plate does not support switch top removal.

Disadvantage are aesthetics and some would argue switch stability but I have never experienced any issues.

Offline cijanzen

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[GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #323 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:33:04 »
So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


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Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
Keycaps.

Youíre done!

So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


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Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #324 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:35:14 »
So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


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Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
Keycaps.

Youíre done!

So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


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Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
The Hotswap PCB layout looks like it can support a standard layout w/ the exception of a 7u spacebar though. Doesnít need to omit two bottom row keys like WKL or HHKB layout does


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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #325 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:37:05 »
So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


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Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
Keycaps.

Youíre done!

So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


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Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
The Hotswap PCB layout looks like it can support a standard layout w/ the exception of a 7u spacebar though. Doesnít need to omit two bottom row keys like WKL or HHKB layout does


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Thatís correct. I initially misspoke on the spacebar stabilizer. But yeah, you can still do the full layout. Just be mindful of the unit sizes for the bottom row modifiers.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #326 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:47:59 »
So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


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Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
Keycaps.

Youíre done!

So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


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Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
The Hotswap PCB layout looks like it can support a standard layout w/ the exception of a 7u spacebar though. Doesnít need to omit two bottom row keys like WKL or HHKB layout does


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Thatís correct. I initially misspoke on the spacebar stabilizer. But yeah, you can still do the full layout. Just be mindful of the unit sizes for the bottom row modifiers.
Hotswap pcb only supports 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row, split right shift, and split backspace (not a total standard layout).

Offline ixixmmx

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #327 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:23:13 »
Got my order placed. Very excited as this will be my first build.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #328 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:15:39 »
So Iíve never built a custom board before. I really like the opaque case. What all do I need to order if I want a standard 60% layout with hot-swap switches? Are all hot-swap switches compatible with the board or do I need specific ones?


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Youíll need stabilizers. A standard 60% kit will do.
Switches. Probably get 70. Iíd assume PCB mount switches and worst case you can cutoff the two plastic pins on the bottom.
Keycaps.

Youíre done!

So on the order form, do I just choose clear PC for everything and standard layout?


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Only the WKL or HHKB layout support hotswap so I actually need to correct myself by saying youíll need a 7u spacebar stabilizer. Most 60% layouts use 6.25u but if youíre going with the hotswap youíll need the longer. But yes, otherwise, you can choose polycarbonate for the case, plate, and weight. Youíll need to choose the hhkb or wkl plate depending on which case you decide on.
The Hotswap PCB layout looks like it can support a standard layout w/ the exception of a 7u spacebar though. Doesnít need to omit two bottom row keys like WKL or HHKB layout does


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Thatís correct. I initially misspoke on the spacebar stabilizer. But yeah, you can still do the full layout. Just be mindful of the unit sizes for the bottom row modifiers.
Hotswap pcb only supports 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row, split right shift, and split backspace (not a total standard layout).

So I just need to make sure I have the right caps when ordering a set then? Am I right to assume the case depends on the plate layout? Like the standard plate wonít have the little notches like the HHKB board right? Do the other layouts support standard size caps or are all the options for this board like that?


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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #329 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:30:35 »
Sorry for the dumb question, but what is the point of the HHKB plate if the universal plate will work with the HHKB case? I am wondering which plate to get if I just want an HHKB style, NON hot swappable board.

If it matters, I would get PC everything to make it a travel board.

Thanks!
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:45:08 by Slavadavadingdong »
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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #330 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:35:26 »
Quote
Sorry for the dumb question, but what is the point of the HHKB plate if the universal plate will work with the HHKB case? I am wondering which plate to get if I just want an HHKB style, NON hot swappable board.

I was wondering the same thing, and I imagine it's because a fixed layout plate is a bit sturdier than the universal plate, with the way the holes hold the switches.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #331 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:53:22 »
I just realized it's probably so you don't see the switch cutouts if you get the PC case... someone can confirm, but that seems to be it. Your reason sounds right too.
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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #332 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:56:20 »
What software will be needed to program the PCB? I haven't noticed any mention of this in the thread.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #333 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 15:24:23 »
What software will be needed to program the PCB? I haven't noticed any mention of this in the thread.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #334 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:38:52 »
Are there any aftermarket PCB's maybe for this?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #335 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:42:44 »
Are there any aftermarket PCB's maybe for this?


This uses a proprietary PCB. Senter said that the PCBs can be rerun in batches of at least 10, though I can't say how likely it is to be run.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #336 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:47:04 »
What's the cutoff time for this GB? (EST)

I want to order one but am not entirely sure just what to get yet, hope to fill out the form tonight when I get home from work.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #337 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:51:04 »
What's the cutoff time for this GB? (EST)

I want to order one but am not entirely sure just what to get yet, hope to fill out the form tonight when I get home from work.

8 pm EST.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #338 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:01:57 »

So I just need to make sure I have the right caps when ordering a set then? Am I right to assume the case depends on the plate layout? Like the standard plate wonít have the little notches like the HHKB board right? Do the other layouts support standard size caps or are all the options for this board like that?


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It would be helpful to define what you consider a "standard" layout and caps to be first :)

Case and plate layouts are chosen independently, you could get a HHKB plate for a regular layout case if you're a madman.

Standard plate will not have the HHKB blockers. If you want the typical pok3r style layout your only option is the standard plate.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #339 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:10:04 »

So I just need to make sure I have the right caps when ordering a set then? Am I right to assume the case depends on the plate layout? Like the standard plate wonít have the little notches like the HHKB board right? Do the other layouts support standard size caps or are all the options for this board like that?


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It would be helpful to define what you consider a "standard" layout and caps to be first :)

Case and plate layouts are chosen independently, you could get a HHKB plate for a regular layout case if you're a madman.

Standard plate will not have the HHKB blockers. If you want the typical pok3r style layout your only option is the standard plate.

Thanks, that clears it up a bit for me. The HHKB layout is not available with a hot swap PCB correct?


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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #340 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:14:44 »

So I just need to make sure I have the right caps when ordering a set then? Am I right to assume the case depends on the plate layout? Like the standard plate wonít have the little notches like the HHKB board right? Do the other layouts support standard size caps or are all the options for this board like that?


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It would be helpful to define what you consider a "standard" layout and caps to be first :)

Case and plate layouts are chosen independently, you could get a HHKB plate for a regular layout case if you're a madman.

Standard plate will not have the HHKB blockers. If you want the typical pok3r style layout your only option is the standard plate.

Thanks, that clears it up a bit for me. The HHKB layout is not available with a hot swap PCB correct?


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HHKB layout is supported with the hot swap PCB.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #341 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:20:16 »
Here is to me figuring out what I want to do with my order in the next 1.666666 hours!

Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #342 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:38:45 »
I put in my order for PC everything, standard layout, will be a great travel keeb for law school!
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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #343 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:54:48 »
Should I PM for any order confirmations or changes?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #344 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 18:59:06 »
Just submitted an order but was confused by the weight option. If I chose PC for everything does that mean it will be super light? I don't really want the board moving all around, should I have upgraded to the brass one or does it come with an aluminum plate?

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #345 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:11:52 »
Should I PM for any order confirmations or changes?


If you need to

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #346 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:13:13 »
Should I PM for any order confirmations or changes?


If you need to
Ok, I sent a dm earlier with the PayPal invoice. Just wanted to make sure I selected the right pcb and plate for hotswap.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (Last one day to order)
« Reply #347 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:16:03 »
Just submitted an order but was confused by the weight option. If I chose PC for everything does that mean it will be super light? I don't really want the board moving all around, should I have upgraded to the brass one or does it come with an aluminum plate?

It will be light.
It won't move around unless your desktop is very slippery.
You don't "should" to choose any combinations. It's all about preference.

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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
« Reply #348 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:19:40 »
Just submitted an order but was confused by the weight option. If I chose PC for everything does that mean it will be super light? I don't really want the board moving all around, should I have upgraded to the brass one or does it come with an aluminum plate?

It will be light.
It won't move around unless your desktop is very slippery.
You don't "should" to choose any combinations. It's all about preference.

How do I get the gold plate? Can I change my order?


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Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 60
« Reply #349 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:25:50 »
dang, didn't know this was going to end at 8pm EST. I was still thinking about it thought I had a few more hours still.