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Dear fellow keyboard enthusiast.
This is a unique opportunity to cover our EU layouts with classic colored and minimal sets for the currently and future GMK. WoB & BoW base sets.




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WoB
Details
  • White-on-Black
  • GMK Colors: WS1 on CR
  • Kit contains 60 keys
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BoW
Details
  • Black-on-White
  • GMK Colors: CR on WS1
  • Kit contains 60 keys
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Supported Languages
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  • UK, British         
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  • ISL, Icelandic     
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  • NO, Norwegian   
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  • SE, Swedish       
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  • FL, Finnish         
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  • FO, Faroese         
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  • DK, Danish         
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  • DE, Deutsch       
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  • PT, Portuguese   
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  • French/Belgium [Dropped]
  • Italian[Dropped]

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( GMK MINIMAL By the amazing @janglad Render art and GB runner )


Available base sets

White on Black:

Upcoming base sets

Black on White:


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TO-DO
  • EU Vendor mykeyboard.eu - Confirmed
  • MOQ Details - Received
  • Quotes - Received
  • Kit & language renders - Received
  • Launch GB- Launched


SURVEY RESULTS - WoB

I want to thank all the good people who took there time to the answer the survey. Asked or requested good ideas.
Big thanks to you gents and ladies. Further let me know any remarks in the comments, all inputs are highly welcomed!


These are the updated and most relevant QnA.

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  • Q: How many kits would you buy?

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  • Q: Would you be interested to see ALT GR 1.25u & 1.50u modifier key include in the kit?
  • A: ADDED TO KIT

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  • Q: Is there any other keys you would like to see in this kit?

Highlighted some of the requests here:
( I hope that everyone is fine with me publishing them )

  • Q: some blanks for 40s / ortho compatibility
    A: I dont know if this is the right kit todo so.
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  • Q: Windowed stepped caps lock with text not icon and windowed scroll lock
    A: Same as above answer. This is perhaps not the right kit todo so.
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  • Q: ISO Portuguese
    A: Pending
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  • Q: Maybe a few R1 blanks
    A: I dont know if this is the right kit todo so.
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  • Q: azerty french
    A: Pending
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  • Q: Would also be cool with a couple of blank R4 1u keycaps to mimic a WKL layout without being WKL.
    A: I dont know if this is the right kit todo so.
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  • Q: R5 1.25u and 1.5u mods!
    A: I dont know if this is the right kit todo so.
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  • Q: GMK Novelty
    A: I personally like the idea of a novelty. maybe, but keys are are adding up atm. :(
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  • Q: Yes, the icelandic keys. Þ, Ð.
    A: Added
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  • Q: R3 @ ‘ and R4 | \ for full UK ISO layout
    A: Added
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  • Q: Italian
    A: Pending
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  • Q: ISO-ES
    A: Maybe
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  • Q: the mass drop kit changed the / for the German divide sign, I would love an extra R1 /. thank you for doing the btw
    A: Pending and thank you! :)
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UPDATES

26.03.2019
  • Updated kit renders
  • US PROXY - Pending
  • GB Launch prep

25.03.2019
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  • FINALE KIT UPDATED
    [ LANG ] [ SUPPORT ] UK, ISL, NO, SE, FL, FO, DK, DE, PT.
  • Locked the kit.
  • Renders is undergoing the updates
  • updated kit is sent to GMK. Awaiting final details



24.03.2019
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  • FINAL KIT ADDED
    [ LANG ] [ SUPPORT ] UK, ISL, NO, SE, FL, FO, DK, DE, PT.



14.03.2019
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V.2
  • THE BOW UPDATE.
I know its properly a long shot to add BOW to the IC/GB.
I wanted to play with the idea of having support for the the two most basic sets in GMK world.
With the current availability we can see with WoB. Stock WoB marks a great new era and interest that have been growing rapidly over the last year.
We could then only hope that BoW would be the next "stock" item. Maybe this add-on kit and GMK Minimal could help push that.

That said and showcased. There is nothing i can say that would make it certainly that BOW would hit GB stage.
As of now please let me know your inputs on BOW.

  • GMK RENDERS
OBS. I am aware of some mistakes in the GMK renders. These  a prior a update to the kit.
I am currently working all "pending" updates.

If you have any inputs. please do let me know in the comments! :)


V.1
  • New BoW Kit Added
  • Added support for Icelandic
  • Added support for AZERTY
  • GMK Renders ( v.1)
  • Survey results
  • Updated available sets list ( Added GMK Minimal & Candykeys BOW DE links )
  • Waiting for language renders
  • Waiting for GMK Quotes
  • Trying to sweet talk Janglad into extending minimal GB


30.01.2019
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31.01.2019
  • Updated the survey - LINK
  • Added upcoming WOB sets


30.01.2019
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29.01.2019
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  • IC LAUNCHED



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I haven't done a GB before. Please let me know if you have any remarks and concerns.
I really hope we can succeeded with this set, for the benefits of most of our EU members.


Best,

ISO

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 16:56:23 »
Would be interested even if located out here in the US
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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:02:20 »
Would be interested even if located out here in the US

COOL, Great mate :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:11:21 »
I want one, maybe do a white version aswell ?  ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:12:01 »
Great idea!

Would love to see the Portuguese version included as well. I'm sure a couple of friends would be interested as well

Would that be a possibility ?
Cheers,
Z

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:14:59 »
I want one, maybe do a white version aswell ?  ;)

Fedt! ;)

Is there any GMK BoW sets out there and available...?

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:17:45 »
I'll buy 2 sets to reach moq!

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:18:59 »
Great idea!

Would love to see the Portuguese version included as well. I'm sure a couple of friends would be interested as well

Would that be a possibility ?
Cheers,
Z

If there is enough interest, maybe. It all depends on interest and MOQ + PRICE. ( I dont have to much info on how many and which caps i would need to add )

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:47:05 »
I'm in!!! :)

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:56:19 »

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 18:01:24 »
I am in!

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 18:11:44 »
Hell why not

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 00:06:26 »
You know I'm in for this!  :D

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 00:12:50 »
I’m in. Lets go

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 00:55:11 »
YES
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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 02:32:40 »
YES!! GIMME!

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 03:12:02 »
great! also interested in the ISO-PT (Portuguese)

here's what is needed:


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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 03:19:00 »
Very cool idea. I won't join because I prefer PBT but I definitely support the project.

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 03:34:22 »
Omg yes i need this!:D
I have no idea what i am doing.

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 04:42:55 »
great! also interested in the ISO-PT (Portuguese)

here's what is needed:
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THIS!

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 05:32:56 »
I am in!

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 05:39:26 »
I would definitely be interested!
And I too could buy two sets if it's needed to reach MOQ.

I would recommend reaching out to CandyKeys and have them as the vendor. They recently teased a German WoB on their Instagram.

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 08:00:42 »
I am in!

 :thumb:

You know I'm in for this!  :D

 :-*

I’m in. Lets go

Its GOing! :))

YES

I know!  :p

Hell why not

Exactly :thumb:

I am in!

Awesome  :thumb:

I would definitely be interested!
And I too could buy two sets if it's needed to reach MOQ.

I would recommend reaching out to CandyKeys and have them as the vendor. They recently teased a German WoB on their Instagram.

I have spoken to mykeyboard.eu, they wanna help with the GB, we just need to gather some interest. Will come with some updated info soon!  ;)

Omg yes i need this!:D

ME TOO

great! also interested in the ISO-PT (Portuguese)

here's what is needed:
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THIS!

cool, thanks for posting, let me check out what keys is needed, it only looks like 2-3.. get back!


YES!! GIMME!



Very cool idea. I won't join because I prefer PBT but I definitely support the project.

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Cool, i like PBT too.. ( in on BoW R2, Greyscale, Slate, KURO/SHIRO ( when it launches ) ) and not to mention the Intl. support on them.. SO DOPE :)
hope you will consider trying out a classic GMK setup  and support this kit ;)

great! also interested in the ISO-PT (Portuguese)

here's what is needed:
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COOL, looking into it :)

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 08:07:13 »
As an American, I'm actually very interested in this.

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 11:26:56 »
Legends should be L9 to make the set OG Cherry compatible. WS1 is too bright and will make OG cherry legends to look yellowed, not a nice combo.

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 13:35:48 »
Legends should be L9 to make the set OG Cherry compatible. WS1 is too bright and will make OG cherry legends to look yellowed, not a nice combo.

Both the set from Massdrop and the one from Originative uses WS1. As I have the set from Massdrop I would like to have WS1 otherwise it will look funky. Also Zenna's WoB Icon mods uses WS1.

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 13:38:50 »
I hope this happens, you should make a google form or something so you can send propective buyers a link when it goes live/moves on to the next stage.

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 15:19:08 »
Legends should be L9 to make the set OG Cherry compatible. WS1 is too bright and will make OG cherry legends to look yellowed, not a nice combo.

indeed, I totally forgot about this!! thanks @ideus  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK WoB NorDeUK Kit
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 17:40:42 »
Legends should be L9 to make the set OG Cherry compatible. WS1 is too bright and will make OG cherry legends to look yellowed, not a nice combo.

Both the set from Massdrop and the one from Originative uses WS1. As I have the set from Massdrop I would like to have WS1 otherwise it will look funky. Also Zenna's WoB Icon mods uses WS1.


Yeah. If the target mother kits are the newest WoB sets then WS1 is the right choice for legends. If it were OG Cherry L9 is required. That divides the potential demand for an already limited audience. Probably the WS1 may have a bit more, not sure if it may reach any MoQ though. Personally, I may join if the final color for legends is L9, but that is just my case. I am using a swidish layout and my ANSI OG WoB may take advantage of a set like this to be usable with my layout. Let's see how the final set is finally defined and if it reaches MoQ. Hoping for the best in any case, this kind of specialty adapters really deserve a chance.

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019)
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 19:04:57 »

As an American, I'm actually very interested in this.

Awesome news!

I hope this happens, you should make a google form or something so you can send propective buyers a link when it goes live/moves on to the next stage.

Updated the IC with a survey form, let me know if its working properly  ^-^

Legends should be L9 to make the set OG Cherry compatible. WS1 is too bright and will make OG cherry legends to look yellowed, not a nice combo.


Legends should be L9 to make the set OG Cherry compatible. WS1 is too bright and will make OG cherry legends to look yellowed, not a nice combo.

Both the set from Massdrop and the one from Originative uses WS1. As I have the set from Massdrop I would like to have WS1 otherwise it will look funky. Also Zenna's WoB Icon mods uses WS1.


Yeah. If the target mother kits are the newest WoB sets then WS1 is the right choice for legends. If it were OG Cherry L9 is required. That divides the potential demand for an already limited audience. Probably the WS1 may have a bit more, not sure if it may reach any MoQ though. Personally, I may join if the final color for legends is L9, but that is just my case. I am using a swidish layout and my ANSI OG WoB may take advantage of a set like this to be usable with my layout. Let's see how the final set is finally defined and if it reaches MoQ. Hoping for the best in any case, this kind of specialty adapters really deserve a chance.


Legends should be L9 to make the set OG Cherry compatible. WS1 is too bright and will make OG cherry legends to look yellowed, not a nice combo.

Both the set from Massdrop and the one from Originative uses WS1. As I have the set from Massdrop I would like to have WS1 otherwise it will look funky. Also Zenna's WoB Icon mods uses WS1.

Legends should be L9 to make the set OG Cherry compatible. WS1 is too bright and will make OG cherry legends to look yellowed, not a nice combo.

indeed, I totally forgot about this!! thanks @ideus  :thumb:

Yeah.. This kit is targeted towards WS1 on CR, would love to have a full set of N9 base though.. ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019)
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 07:26:54 »
Updated the survey with a question of adding both 1.25u/1.50 ALT GR to the kit.

Let me know :)

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 16:38:43 »
Really hoping for your set to reach MoQ, even against odds and previous trials. Godspeed.

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 17:08:47 »
Really hoping for your set to reach MoQ, even against odds and previous trials. Godspeed.

Thanks Ideus, your support is much appreciated! :)

I am already deep in with 3 base sets :)) so we must succeed haha.

If the price and compat is right, i do think the kit has a good chance.

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #34 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 04:48:45 »
Good initiative, hope this succeeds!

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 15:04:30 »
Good initiative, hope this succeeds!

Thanks Mate, me too! :) If you haven't would be cool if you could fill out the form, the more info I can get, the better I can fine tune the details.
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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 10:35:47 »
What we really need for WoB is another round of icon mod kits! :D

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 11:36:55 »
What we really need for WoB is another round of icon mod kits! :D

The thought REALLY crossed my mind ;)
I am just gonna let the IC stay like this until end of next week. I will then update it based on the info I get in.
And hopefully push forward ASAP  ^-^

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 21:21:41 »
What we really need for WoB is another round of icon mod kits! :D

*R5 mods

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 04 February 2019, 13:58:03 »
What we really need for WoB is another round of icon mod kits! :D

*R5 mods



...but can we do NORDEUK first, please.

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD-ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 05 February 2019, 10:53:05 »
I am already very tempted to get a set. I have been using a swedish layout on all my boards at home, at the office and I even ordered a replacement keyboard for my laptop, so this may allow me to use a white on black theme not only the beige one that I am using now.



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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD-ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 05 February 2019, 16:31:04 »
I am already very tempted to get a set. I have been using a swedish layout on all my boards at home, at the office and I even ordered a replacement keyboard for my laptop, so this may allow me to use a white on black theme not only the beige one that I am using now.


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Good to hear! Yes, hopefully this kit can change that. I have the same reason, use a danish layout most of the time..
I have been waiting for a couple of years for a "no pop of color" set, that can work with the most.

Timing seems right as the WoB set from MD is cheap and available without being in a GB..
( Hopefully they will stock some more after they finish the current stock ) The availability and future WoB sets is there.

TIME TO STOCK UP!  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 05 February 2019, 16:33:51 »
What we really need for WoB is another round of icon mod kits! :D

*R5 mods

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...but can we do NORDEUK first, please.

haha, i used 30 seconds to much on that gif.. :D what where you saying...?

ON IT ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 01:27:12 »
What we really need for WoB is another round of icon mod kits! :D

*R5 mods

Show Image

...but can we do NORDEUK first, please.

haha, i used 30 seconds to much on that gif.. :D what where you saying...?

ON IT ;)

Great. Ultimately I would like to dress up my LZ with WoB. So a kit with text mods where bottom row is R5 and also windowed caps and scroll would be endgame teritory.



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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD-ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 13:36:14 »
in for WOB :D cant wait.

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD-ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 14:01:32 »
we've been down this road before
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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD-ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 14:09:29 »
we've been down this road before

ISO HAS RETURNED ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD-ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 14:56:20 »
we've been down this road before

ISO HAS RETURNED ;)

last time this was ran it got 35 orders and most of them came from dt

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Re: [IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK - ADD-ON KIT ( SURVEY ADDED / 30.01.2019 )
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 15:38:28 »
we've been down this road before

ISO HAS RETURNED ;)

last time this was ran it got 35 orders and most of them came from dt

glwgb


The same sentiment here. However, we should give the benefit of the doubth to those that want to try it one more time.