Tealios/Zealios/Healios/Zilents V2 switches

[Grandmasternoob]

Hi guys! which of these switches will be better tactile and how many grams? Tealios/Zealios/Healios/Zilents V2 switches

[dexie]

Zealios are the most tacticle, followed by Zilents, which are just silent version of Zealios. Tealios and Healios are not tactile at all and are just linear switches.

Weight almost does not affect tactility and is just a preference for the feel of the switch. I'd suggest you to get switch tester to see what weight you like the most.

[Grandmasternoob]

Zealios are the most tacticle, followed by Zilents, which are just silent version of Zealios. Tealios and Healios are not tactile at all and are just linear switches.

Weight almost does not affect tactility and is just a preference for the feel of the switch. I'd suggest you to get switch tester to see what weight you like the most.

thank you!

[lightsout714]

I might have to disagree on the weight thing, it can affect the feel of the switch quite a bit. Sometimes making the bump feel larger or smaller.

[_haru]

I might have to disagree on the weight thing, it can affect the feel of the switch quite a bit. Sometimes making the bump feel larger or smaller.

This is pretty true - it's generally regarded that the heavier the weight, the more muted the upstroke is, meaning that a heavier switch will be less tactile.

[HungerMechanic]

It's highly subjective which switches are the 'best.'

The most popular switch in the previous generation of Zealios was the 65 or 67 gram weight.

However, this new generation is much more tactile, and people are saying that they want to go with lower weights, because they don't want to deal with higher weight and higher tactility.

But since lower weights may have higher tactility, some people are choosing 65 over 62 grams, since 62 grams might give sharper tactility.

See, it's confusing.

So the best thing to do is buy a Zealios switch tester. Sure it costs $49 dollars or something, but you can always resell it on mechmarket when you're done!

I wish I had done so ages ago, would have saved me some trouble.

Now, I am about to test different weights of the new Zealios as soon as they arrive.

[HungerMechanic]

I should add, 62 and 65 gram Zealios seem to be the most popular weights for this current generation of Zealios switches, judging by people's builds.

62 should be a safe bet for a beginner, right?

[Grandmasternoob]

So the best thing to do is buy a Zealios switch tester. Sure it costs $49 dollars or something, but you can always resell it on mechmarket when you're done!

if delivery to my country was cheap, I would really like to try a lot ... so order 62 or 65g

[lightsout714]

If you like a light switch get 62g. FYI with two browns (cherry and gateron) next to a 62g zealio on a switch tester they feel about the same weight wise (intended I assume), so if thats what you want then get 62g. If you want something different get a heavier version.

[Grandmasternoob]

If you like a light switch get 62g. FYI with two browns (cherry and gateron) next to a 62g zealio on a switch tester they feel about the same weight wise (intended I assume), so if thats what you want then get 62g. If you want something different get a heavier version.

I want something more pleasant, tactile and heavy than cherry brown)

[lightsout714]

If you like a light switch get 62g. FYI with two browns (cherry and gateron) next to a 62g zealio on a switch tester they feel about the same weight wise (intended I assume), so if thats what you want then get 62g. If you want something different get a heavier version.

I want something more pleasant, tactile and heavy than cherry brown)

If your looking for heavier I would avoid the 62's. As far as the 65's I am not sure what the deal is but in between a 62 and 67 they seem to be the least tactile. Someone else may disagree.

[Grandmasternoob]

If you like a light switch get 62g. FYI with two browns (cherry and gateron) next to a 62g zealio on a switch tester they feel about the same weight wise (intended I assume), so if thats what you want then get 62g. If you want something different get a heavier version.

I want something more pleasant, tactile and heavy than cherry brown)

If your looking for heavier I would avoid the 62's. As far as the 65's I am not sure what the deal is but in between a 62 and 67 they seem to be the least tactile. Someone else may disagree.

Difficult choice...
can we say that 62g is the golden mean of tactility and actuation force?

[HungerMechanic]

I'll be able to answer some of these questions in a couple of weeks, as I have some on the way. [Zilents though].

But yes, 62 gr was supposed to resemble the weight of the MX Brown, at least in the V1 Zealios. [With V2, the tactility got ramped up even if the spring weight stayed the same].

I tried 62 gr V1 Stealios [the illegal copy of the V1 R11 Zealios]. They were weighted similar to MX Brown, but were so smooth that they felt lighter. Too light for my liking, actually, and not tactile enough.

V2 is going to be more tactile than that, but the low weight might be unsatisfying. So 65 gr [in V1] are a safer bet for someone looking for tactility and reasonable weight. The 65 gr have been popular in both V1 and V2 Zealios.

If the OP was buying V1 Zealios, I would advise 65 or 67 gr for their needs. For V2, it's hard to say, because even the 62 gr are more tactile.

I personally found 67 gr V1 to be the most interesting and satisfying, but they are no longer available. And I don't know what the 67 gr Zealio V2 are like. It's in competition with the 65 gr for what people are choosing in their builds. [I think the 67 gr lost some popularity to the 65 gr in V2].

Sorry about all the confusion. Ultimately:

1. 62 gr V1 will not satisfy the OP, had they been available. 65 or 67 gr V1 are heavier and more tactile [certainly the 67 was].

2. 62 gr V2 is more tactile than the V1, but it's still 62 gr in weight. It may be a 'golden mean,' as was suggested above. Many people switched to 62 gr Zealios in V2 because even though it's a light weight, it's much more tactile than the previous generation.

3. 65 gr typically had a longer-feeling bump, an actuation bump that was spread out over more of the downstroke than in the other weights. That was the case in V1, and may be the case in V2. Some like it, and some don't.

4. 67 gr was the standout for great tactility and weight in V1. But in V2, many people are returning to 62 or going to 65. So it's hard to say if it's the standout for this generation.

5. 65 and 67 gr Zealios V2 are probably the safest bet for the person seeking Zealios, since those are both solid midweight options and supposedly very tactile. [It's just that even the 62 gr get a boost this generation].

I briefly typed on 62 gr V2s at a meetup, and it was fine, but they were definitely MX-brown-like in weight.

[Grandmasternoob]

I'll be able to answer some of these questions in a couple of weeks, as I have some on the way. [Zilents though].

But yes, 62 gr was supposed to resemble the weight of the MX Brown, at least in the V1 Zealios. [With V2, the tactility got ramped up even if the spring weight stayed the same].

I tried 62 gr V1 Stealios [the illegal copy of the V1 R11 Zealios]. They were weighted similar to MX Brown, but were so smooth that they felt lighter. Too light for my liking, actually, and not tactile enough.

V2 is going to be more tactile than that, but the low weight might be unsatisfying. So 65 gr [in V1] are a safer bet for someone looking for tactility and reasonable weight. The 65 gr have been popular in both V1 and V2 Zealios.

If the OP was buying V1 Zealios, I would advise 65 or 67 gr for their needs. For V2, it's hard to say, because even the 62 gr are more tactile.

I personally found 67 gr V1 to be the most interesting and satisfying, but they are no longer available. And I don't know what the 67 gr Zealio V2 are like. It's in competition with the 65 gr for what people are choosing in their builds. [I think the 67 gr lost some popularity to the 65 gr in V2].

Sorry about all the confusion. Ultimately:

1. 62 gr V1 will not satisfy the OP, had they been available. 65 or 67 gr V1 are heavier and more tactile [certainly the 67 was].

2. 62 gr V2 is more tactile than the V1, but it's still 62 gr in weight. It may be a 'golden mean,' as was suggested above. Many people switched to 62 gr Zealios in V2 because even though it's a light weight, it's much more tactile than the previous generation.

3. 65 gr typically had a longer-feeling bump, an actuation bump that was spread out over more of the downstroke than in the other weights. That was the case in V1, and may be the case in V2. Some like it, and some don't.

4. 67 gr was the standout for great tactility and weight in V1. But in V2, many people are returning to 62 or going to 65. So it's hard to say if it's the standout for this generation.

5. 65 and 67 gr Zealios V2 are probably the safest bet for the person seeking Zealios, since those are both solid midweight options and supposedly very tactile. [It's just that even the 62 gr get a boost this generation].

I briefly typed on 62 gr V2s at a meetup, and it was fine, but they were definitely MX-brown-like in weight.

Thank you for your mini review, it helps me

[HungerMechanic]

I just had my 62 gr. Zilents arrive, so I might be able to help further with this soon.

So far, they are light, but not quite as light-feeling as the V1 fake Zealios from KBDFans. Tactile bump is at the top, although there is a tiny bit of pre-travel.

Right now, it's looking good. The Zilents aren't the most tactile of switches at 62 Gr, but they may be a noticeable improvement over MX Brown.

[HungerMechanic]

I typed these sentences on 62 gr. V2 Zilents. For me, the Zilents are something that finally may represent an advancement on MX Browns.

There are many people looking for a “better Brown,” and many switch types cater to that desire. But are Kailh Browns, Kailh Purples, BOX Browns, Gateron Browns, Pro Purples, BOX Burnt Orange, and Speed Coppers enough of an improvement to warrant investing in a custom board?

Don’t get me wrong. I enjoy Pro Purples on a TeamWolf Zhuque, and it was certainly worth the investment. But is there something truly superior to Browns for a lightweight typing experience?

The Zilents are a credible performer. They are about the same weight as the Browns, but lack the sandiness and scratchiness that slow down the 60 gr MX Browns. You wouldn’t necessarily guess that the Zilents are nearly the same weight, because they actuate and bottom-out more easily.

Zilents lack tactility compared to Zealios proper, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Zealios V2 have been criticized for excessive tactility, although it is a popular feature. The Zilents lack some of the ‘sharpness’ of the Zealios, and are a more relaxed typing switch.

On the other hand, Zilents are sharper and steeper than Browns, and it can lead to bottoming-out, and a lack of ‘finger support’ for lack of a better word. These are a fast switch, but they don’t cushion you much.

I am going to have to try 65 gr Zilents, as this has been a popular intermediate weight. It’s going to be expensive to try all these different weights, but Zilents have the potential for an “endgame” MX tactile switch. Zealios are great, too, but the noise is insane to the point where I would rather invest in Zilents. I don’t have the setup to lube Zealios in order to make them quieter, and nobody does that at the factory.

Once I have done some typing tests, and attempted to game and do something  with the Zilents, I will give you an evaluation as to whether they can truly replace MX Browns, a switch that many people just ‘keep coming back to.’

[lightsout714]

I typed these sentences on 62 gr. V2 Zilents. For me, the Zilents are something that finally may represent an advancement on MX Browns.

There are many people looking for a “better Brown,” and many switch types cater to that desire. But are Kailh Browns, Kailh Purples, BOX Browns, Gateron Browns, Pro Purples, BOX Burnt Orange, and Speed Coppers enough of an improvement to warrant investing in a custom board?

Don’t get me wrong. I enjoy Pro Purples on a TeamWolf Zhuque, and it was certainly worth the investment. But is there something truly superior to Browns for a lightweight typing experience?

The Zilents are a credible performer. They are about the same weight as the Browns, but lack the sandiness and scratchiness that slow down the 60 gr MX Browns. You wouldn’t necessarily guess that the Zilents are nearly the same weight, because they actuate and bottom-out more easily.

Zilents lack tactility compared to Zealios proper, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Zealios V2 have been criticized for excessive tactility, although it is a popular feature. The Zilents lack some of the ‘sharpness’ of the Zealios, and are a more relaxed typing switch.

On the other hand, Zilents are sharper and steeper than Browns, and it can lead to bottoming-out, and a lack of ‘finger support’ for lack of a better word. These are a fast switch, but they don’t cushion you much.

I am going to have to try 65 gr Zilents, as this has been a popular intermediate weight. It’s going to be expensive to try all these different weights, but Zilents have the potential for an “endgame” MX tactile switch. Zealios are great, too, but the noise is insane to the point where I would rather invest in Zilents. I don’t have the setup to lube Zealios in order to make them quieter, and nobody does that at the factory.

Once I have done some typing tests, and attempted to game and do something  with the Zilents, I will give you an evaluation as to whether they can truly replace MX Browns, a switch that many people just ‘keep coming back to.’

Why not just get a switch tester? I know its not the sane as a full board but still.

[HungerMechanic]

A switch tester would never have given me an accurate impression of MX Brown, Halo True, Kailh Pro Purple, and other tactile switches.

There's a number of tactiles that are not that impressive on their own, but shine when used for typing. MX Brown is a relaxed switch that allows for sustained typing, to a far greater degree than Clears for most people. Pro Purple is unassuming and 'meh' as an individual switch, but it's actually my fastest typing switch. I wouldn't have learned that without trying them in a Hotswap keyboard.

Switch testers are good for getting a general sense of a switch, and crossing some off the list, but they don't really tell you what's optimal. And that's important if you're about to spend $525 on a custom keyboard. You need the optimal switch.

Okay, so if you're just buying a Ducky from the store, a Cherry switch tester will be good enough. But not for the $500 custom.

Same for the Zealios. If you're just getting a TADA68 for $150, sure, a switch tester will help you select something decent for your first custom. (Which you can sell for $99 if you decide you don't like it). But the boat I'm in, I guess I need to know exactly how a particular switch is going to perform.

TL;DR Zealios are expensive and I need to test them on a keyboard before putting down $$$$$$$$$$$$ for a custom.

[Sintpinty]

Why not just get a switch tester? I know its not the sane as a full board but still.
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It's Canada... brokerage fees, etc. But, someday i will :\

[Grandmasternoob]

Why not just get a switch tester? I know its not the sane as a full board but still

delivery to my country is more expensive, than the cost of the tester)
I pre-ordered 67g zealios v2 at kbdfans

[HungerMechanic]

Good. I'm told that 67 gr Zealios V2 are the most tactile variant of this generation's Zealios.

I'm using some 67 gr Zilents on number keys, and they aren't too bad, but lack the tactility of the unsilenced Zealios.

[Grandmasternoob]

hope, I like it
I love tactile switches)

[HungerMechanic]

If you like a light switch get 62g. FYI with two browns (cherry and gateron) next to a 62g zealio on a switch tester they feel about the same weight wise (intended I assume), so if thats what you want then get 62g. If you want something different get a heavier version.

I want something more pleasant, tactile and heavy than cherry brown)

I've been able to test 62, 65, and 67 gr Zilents along side each other, as well as some 62 gr Zilents (all V2). So if you have any questions, let me know.

So far, 62 gr Zealios are similar in weight to MX Brown. They bottom out hard for me (the Zealios, not the Zilents). That might not be the case in higher weights.

62 gr Zilents almost feel lighter than MX Browns, since they are so smooth and lack some of the tactility of unsilenced Zealios. But they are really in about the same weight category.

65 gr Zilents feel heavier than MX Browns, but not by much. They are also fairly smooth, so they almost depress as easily as Browns.

67 gr is where you can start to tell they're not weighted like Browns. They are heavier, although not uncomfortably so. The 67 gr is more a 'medium' weight switch, although on the low-end. [I consider ~70 gr to be medium weight].

So if you want to escape Brown weight, 67 gr Zealios are a safer bet, although 65 are technically also heavier than Browns. I wish I had unsilenced 65-67 gr Zealios to test.

The 62 gr Zilents are surprisingly tactile. I guess lower weights can lead to higher tactility, like they say. I'm pleased.