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Offline Voixdelion

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« on: Sat, 26 June 2010, 15:09:33 »
Okay - today around dawn we doused a small wasps nest (golf ball size? Egg at most...  yellowjackets I think - striped and lean and mean bright yellow and black)  with pesticide for such purpose because the buggers chose a spot igrht by the back gate that both we and the cat pass by several times daily.  While it appeared to kill the ones we could see fairly immediately I don't know how many may be inside or still out on their rounds that may have escaped my wrath.  I do know I've seen at least one of the bastards still out on rounds, though I don't know if its from the same nest.

Just about a half hour ago my cat came in for lunch and I noticed a swollen  bump on his ear that was no larger than dime size diameter, which at first looked like had smaller bubbles/lumps on it until I saw that it was a ball of clear liquid probably draining from the bump.  He was not acting particularly distressed about anything, purring as par usual, and ate while I went to move my car out of the driveway for so Chad could get out of the carport, and now I am not sure where the cat has gone.  Outside at the car a bee was obviously in some kind of ill health as it appeared to be flying/stumbling erratically into the side of my vehicle, also near the nest we had poisoned this morning.

Phantom is a tough guy and a pretty hardy beast that only had to visit the vet for one emergency (he found some kind of infected abscess on the leg, but I never saw any wound at all) in thirteen years or so, and has a habit of toying with smaller creatures.  I am worried though since that single time he chose to hide in the nook under the coffee table and I had to drag him out though he normally comes when called, much like a dog will, unless he is out of earshot or too involved in his adventures (though I know not where he goes or what he does when he isn't returning when I call.)    

I am worried about him since I can't keep an eye on whatever that was I saw just before going to move my car, especially if it was a new sting and hadn't had time to cause a bad reaction yet or something.  Anybody have experience with this or know what wasp/bee sting would look like on shorthaired cat ear?  Should I start looking under the furniture to make sure he hasn't collapsed from anaphalactic shock or is he most likely trying to find the (humming?) birds that apparently were dumb enough to build a nest under the eaves next door to the wasps (acorn size and originally mistaken for another wasp dwelling until closer scrutiny which revealed that the grey color was due to the fact it had been constructed largely of my dog's recently discarded undercoat- discovered it just now when I went to see if the wasps were all dead or if they've been attacking my cat).  

It  didn't appear that he'd been stung more than once, or at least not in more than one spot, and he is quick enough that he would have been able to escape an angry insect fairly easily unless trapped somehow.  Should I be worried about him?   I remember my mom got stung and her entire leg swelled up, but I don't have any other references.  Never stung by a bee or a wasp (Knock on wood) myself, but if a wasp did that to my mom, how could kitty have a little lump unless it JUST happened?  I think I'd feel better about it if I knew it was the bee or what to do in either case.  Someone please tell me he's probably fine and I have nothing to worry about?
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 26 June 2010, 17:22:24 »
I don't think cats are as vulnerable as humans to such adverse reactions. Non-pedigree cats in particular are very resilient. As long as he turns up and the swelling hasn't grown huge, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Earlier this year my cat had a big lump on his head. I thought it might be a horrible tumour, despite it having appeared overnight. Washing it didn't budge it. Eventually it disappeared to reveal a small weeping wound, which soon healed. So it must have just been a scab on a wound he got in a fight or something. Like your cat he behaved as if nothing was out of the ordinary. They leave it to their owners to get all worked up.

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 26 June 2010, 18:23:29 »
Just saw im 5  minutes ago having a bite.  Swelling seems less even than before and obviously draining as the spot is wet, but not thick pus just clear.It's on the edge of ear just past halfway to the top tip. I wonder if maybe the bee wasn't the culprit rather than the wasp for the bump to be so small.  I can't think of anything else that would swell that much without it being a pretty serious infection and the ear didn't seem warm at all.. should I clean with anything?   Maybe saline or hydrogen peroxide or just warm water?  Don't want to irritate it if its doing ok on its own, but if its a stinger stuck don't some things actally spread the poison in deeper by messing with it?

Well, it at least appears he's not suffering from anaphalaxis at any rate, so panic button is un-pushed.  Whew!
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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 26 June 2010, 19:49:50 »
Don't worry. I've had cats for years (My current cats I've had for over 12). What could very well've happened is your cat got in a fight with another and got scratched in the ear (That happens all the time). Cat's don't wash their claws, so you never know if there'll be swelling.
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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 26 June 2010, 20:03:36 »
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Don't worry. I've had cats for years (My current cats I've had for over 12). What could very well've happened is your cat got in a fight with another and got scratched in the ear (That happens all the time). Cat's don't wash their claws, so you never know if there'll be swelling.


I think it's either that or cat claws have something on them that make wounds fester. I heard on Discovery that lion claws are like that.

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 26 June 2010, 20:17:33 »
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I think it's either that or cat claws have something on them that make wounds fester. I heard on Discovery that lion claws are like that.


Cat's mouths are full of bacteria. That's the main cause of their abscesses; being bitten by other cats. Yet another reason to keep your cats indoors.

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 26 June 2010, 20:49:01 »
You need to pull the stinger out with tweezers or better yet scrape it out with a knife held flat (if he'll sit still). Then clean the area well with anti-bacterial soap and put some neosporin or other non-toxic antibiotic lotion on it.

If it gets worse, take him to a veterinarian. He may need some kind of kitty Benadryl (IANAV!).

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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 26 June 2010, 21:08:38 »
Yeah, I think that its best if I do clean it, I just wasn't sure about maybe letting the thing drain a little bit cuz I can't do that without pissing him off.  The swelling was lessened from the first time by about a third to half as much, so I figure that's a good thing.  I'll track him down in a bit if he doesn't come in on his own and check it out a little closer. He's pretty tolerant of me poking at him, so if I can get a good look at it, I'll probably be able to discern the nature of the problem.  Primarily I was afraid he might have a reaction to something like the poison or the wasp itself (My mom's upper thigh had a half inch high welt several inches across, so I was concerned about what would happen if a beast 1/10 her size was stung, and maybe by a half-poisoned insect at that.)  If he shows any signs of infection or if the area gets warm I'll take him to Dr.Choi, but I'm much less stressed now.  

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 27 June 2010, 12:45:31 »
lol, my cat got stung by a wasp once. On his leg! He was fine... it was absolutely hilarious watching him walk, he wouldn't walk on the hind leg that was swollen. We did go to the vets for a pill to reduce the swelling; the vet tried giving my cat the pill and he had it under his toungue... silly thing.

The swelling should go down in two weeks or so completely (if I remember correctly, that was years ago).
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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 27 June 2010, 12:54:38 »
A few weeks ago, my cat got into a fight with a nasty stray and got her hind leg bitten. She was limping around, so we brought her to the vet who gave her an injection, and after that she curled up into a ball and didn't move or eat much for two days straight. After that, she was fine, and went back to being her normal self.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 27 June 2010, 13:11:43 »
This was a (stray?) cat from my neighbourhood, it disappeared for a few weeks then turned up missing a leg! I assume it got hit by a car and someone took it to the vet. Even like this it was perfectly happy, like it didn't know anything was wrong.


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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 27 June 2010, 13:51:39 »
I thought that cats and dogs have antiseptic tongues? Supposedly years ago in rural Ireland, having a dog lick a wound was the first aid de choix.

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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 03:53:37 »
The mythbusters proved that a dog's mouth has a higher anti-bacterial quality than humans.  But humans don't eat their own poo, or half the nasty stuff dogs do, at least not normally.  It makes sense that they would have to have a higher anti-bacterial quality since they do eat all that nasty junk.
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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 08:13:05 »
Swelling all gone already.  Seems to be a little crusty from the ooze, but still clear and scabbing alright.  Dunno what did it, though as it didn't seem to be an infection at all.  It looked a bit like the hematoma my dog got in his ear from shaking the flies off his head once, but this didn't seem to be blood either.  Mebbe the bee?  Oh well.  As long as he's fine, I'm happy.  Kitty in good spirits also. DOG IN THE DOGHOUSE FOR EATING THE TOPS OF MY GROWING SWEET CORN IN THE GARDEN THOUGH!! AAARGH!  =D
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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 09:35:31 »
My cat, when first let out into the garden, took to the unfortunate habit of pissing all over my Mam's salad plants... Cats like fresh soil, and these plants had new compost which made them the ideal target... We practically had to camouflage them with netting and covers until she decided to go elsewhere to relieve herself...

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 18:53:43 »
What I dislike more than cats is cat owner's tendency to let their cats walk all over them. TEACH THAT CAT WHO'S BOSS.

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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 19:48:14 »
If you ever owned a cat, you'd realize that it's often not that simple. The easiest way to stop a cat doing something is to make it as hard as possible for them to do it. I'm pretty sure it's been established by experimentation that they have very little understanding of cause and effect... which makes training them like a dog a difficult task.

Then again, unlike dogs, they don't need to be trained nearly as much. You win some, you lose some.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 20:41:26 »
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....I'm pretty sure it's been established by experimentation that they have very little understanding of cause and effect... which makes training them like a dog a difficult task.


After reading this article, it seems that much research on cat behavior if flawed. Cats understand cause and effect as well as dogs.

Cats can be trained to use a litter box, toilet, jump through hoops, retrieve items, etc.

Snippet on cause and effect:
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According to psychology lecturer Britta Osthaus at the University of Exeter, cats do not understand cause and effect. She expert attached fish and biscuit treats to one end of a piece of string and placed these under a plastic screen to see if the cats were able to work out that pulling on the string would pull the treat closer. The cats were tested using a single baited string, two parallel strings where only one was baited, and two crossed strings where only one was baited. All cats succeeded at pulling a single string to obtain a treat (93% of the time) showing they were able to learn the connection between the string and the treat, but none of the cats consistently chose the correct string when two strings were parallel. When tested with two crossed strings one cat chose the wrong string consistently and all of the others performed at chance level. According to Osthaus, dogs were able to solve the parallel string test, but cats weren't. This test was flawed. Firstly, cats are less food motivated as dogs, and are as likely to be interested in the string as a toy as in achieving a treat. Secondly, the comparison with dogs was also incorrect as another paper, co-authored by Osthaus - if the strings were placed at an angle or were crossed, the dogs tended to paw or mouth at the location closest in line with the treat. In other words, both cats and dogs understood the means-end connections involving strings, but they were both unable to understand crossed strings - something very different from failing to understand cause and effect. Dogs evolved as pack hunters that may select a single animals from a herd - not dissimilar from selecting a string that will give a food-reward. Cats evolved to stalk single prey rather than making choices in that way. If a cat has previously found a mouse at a certain mouse-hole, it makes sense for the cat to check that "empty" mouse-hole again as other mice may be there. In this way of thinking, it makes sense for the cat to check the empty string that previously had a food payoff. Dogs make choices when pursuing prey, cats investigate all available bolt-holes. If you design a test that favours the dog's natural behaviour and view of the world then the dog will appear to perform better. Pet cats have learnt how to open doors using door-knobs and experimental cats have learnt to dispense food using a lever; both instances of cause and effect.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 21:59:37 »
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What I dislike more than cats is cat owner's tendency to let their cats walk all over them. TEACH THAT CAT WHO'S BOSS.

"Dogs have masters.  Cats have slaves."

I am almost certain Phantom understands me far better than I understand him.  I must admit I do feel honored that he chooses to hang out with me.   Sometimes its kind of eerie though how much he's more people than pet. And though all pet owners think their pet is the cutest, or smartest, or exceptionally charming etc. etc., this times it's not just me.  Phantom has more than once been the subject of conversation at neighborhood block parties in each of three different neighborhoods we've lived in.  He's kinda spooky weird.


As evidence of this, I recall once when he had an adventure up the chimney he came out looking rather like a small blue-eyed panther and had to be bathed immediately.  I deposited him in the bath and began a preparatory rinse under the faucet only to discover that I had left the shampoo somewhere out in the living room.  With a stern, "Stay there and don't move; I'll be right back," I left him under the RUNNING water and went to find the soap, but as I had taken off my glasses to bathe the cat, I couldn't seem to find the bottle right away.  After a good ten minutes of squinting about, I finally re-entered the bathroom with the certainty that I would be greeted by nothing but black kitty paw prints leading me to wherever he would have chosen to hole up, but to my surprise he was exactly where I left him, still under the cascading water and looking none to pleased about it either.  He's also the only cat I've ever been able to get to swallow a pill or liquid amoxicillin meds without wrapping him up like a kitty-burrito to do so.  And never uses the garden as a toilet as far as I can tell.
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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 22:04:10 »
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"Dogs have masters.  Cats have slaves."


So damn true. On the overclocking forums I visit, there are so many threads about removing cat hairs that have clogged PC fans because cats apparently like sitting on warm objects (like overclocked computers). Cat owners must be pretty damn damn dedicated to put up with that, kudos.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 28 June 2010, 22:40:51 »
I have a separate room for my PC's and keep it closed off. My cat knows VERY well that she's not allowed in there.
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 29 June 2010, 05:52:44 »
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Cats can be trained to use a litter box, toilet, jump through hoops, retrieve items, etc.


"House training" a cat is not particularly difficult. They have an evolutionary incentive to bury their urine/feces - to hide the smell from predators. Case in point - my cousin rescued a stray kitten the other week. He went and got some food and a litter tray which he left out. The cat, without any instruction, eat some food and then went and used the litter tray of it's own accord...

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 29 June 2010, 10:54:54 »
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The easiest way to stop a cat doing something is to make it as hard as possible for them to do it.


But the most effective way is to give it something more interesting to do.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 29 June 2010, 11:02:44 »
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Was is someone here who said?:

Treat a dog well and it will think you are a god.
Treat a cat well and it will think it is a god.


Ain't that the truth.  Just ask the Egyptians.


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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 03 July 2010, 01:33:58 »
I hurt people who poison pets of any kind. I'm not an activist or anything, but damn, as much as I like my Garden nice, I've never felt the need to put Anti-Freeze down for cats. Plenty of effective ways to deter moggies from having a dump in your petunia's without that.
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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 04:46:31 »
What is a "moggie"?
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 16:04:29 »
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=moggie


what a slight handed way of being a @$$-hole there. i'll have to use that at work one time.