wondering if y'all can help me pick out a keyboard?

[patrickgeekhack]

Why would I want that job?   The trolls around here are so unfunny. They have the sense of humor of Canadians and are almost as boring.

Except of course for lmnop.  She's special.

Ahem...Canadian HEREEEEEEEEEEE. Well, not by birth though :-)

[wellington1869]

I have over 100 PM's from users complaining about him...

from the same 3 people? Not that it matters anymore, but there was a PM campaign against him, it was semi-organized. Smells of astro-turf rather than grass-roots.  Just saying. Yea it doesnt matter anymore, I know.

As for his declaring himself being here to crap on us, someone like webwit did that once a day. And actually followed through, too.

And 30 days instead of 7? Without a warning first? Seems uncharacteristically harsh, is all.

[patrickgeekhack]

...to say the least have found not a single person who thinks he helps.

I thought he was helpful when he pointed out that Brown Cherries need very little force. I know that this could represent 0.000001% of his total posts, but he was right in this regard. That's my opinion anyway.

I will certainly miss his presence. It's like a movie without an "*******," like American Pie without Stiffler.

[Voixdelion]

I have to say I wouldn't worry overmuch about how he affects the image of geekhack in general.   I've been thinking quite a bit about this forum and why I have settled in here with such enthusiasm, and I know there is more to it than a common interest in quality input devices.  There is something about that perhaps that attracts the type of person I encounter here.  That for reasons that aren't immediately obvious a certain commonality of thought or experience or imagination exists that creates not just the interest in the device, but the desire to examine in minute detail and describe both the object of interest and the interest itself.  I think that the ordinary anyone who might come by here doesn't actually exist because this forum is likely what it is because of the mentality that drew us to it  in the first place, and it appears that part of that mentality is a predisposition to be able to detect and filter out the bull****.  

I have to say I'd only noticed it a couple of times and very recently that there may have been some overboard childishness going back and forth but my bs filter worked well enough that I couldn't identify who was involved even if I could find reason to try.  I remember the posts that have helped much more than the ones that haven't - even when they are still entertaining.  If they aren't at least that, I don't remember them at all. so no harm no foul.   One of the wisest things i ever heard was to the tune of, " If  someone is really horrible to you or others, and really seems to GET to you like that, try thinking of it this way:  Just be glad you're not them!"

Trolls will eventually die of starvation - as long as they don't get fed.

He gets a 30 day ban for publicly declaring he is  here to jerk around the membership.  I have over 100 PM's from users  complaining about him...but I saw no reason to ban or kick him.  

This statement, however, says to me that he is just here to crap all  over the forum.  THAT crosses a line with me.

Sound reasoning, that.   I've said it before I think, but still holds true- Nice place ya got here, iMav...

[ch_123]

This is when MW became a problem.

There's some things the report button can't fix. Example, the reception for new members.

I will certainly miss his presence. It's like a movie without an "*******," like American Pie without Stiffler.

You're talking about the departure of Webwit, right?

[nanu]

I for one miss the wild duck and hardly ever felt any trolling from him ┐(-.-;)┌

[patrickgeekhack]

You're talking about the departure of Webwit, right?

You know very well I meant Microsoft Windows :-)

[BigBrother]

I don't know if Microsoft Windows will return. But I'm here to let us all get this mess done and over with.

what mess? tl;dr

[keyboardlover]

20 one line posts in an hour.  

John Deer, you sure we haven't met?

MW must seriously have no life (although that was already clear)

[patrickgeekhack]

MW must seriously have no life (although that was already clear)

We can say the same about a lot of us, can't we? :-) This forum is very addictive. For sure, I've spent more time here than I should have. Proof, I'm reading and posting comments. I do this at work too. From time to time, I would pop my head and check what's new. Thank Goodness I'm not addicted to Facebook.

[ch_123]

Taking part is one thing. Taking part with the sole remit of trolling is another. Making a second account after you've been banned so that you can come back and refer to yourself in the third person in a completely un-ironic way... Well, y'know...

[keyboardlover]

So in regards to my decision; I've decided to not get anything else for a while, but eventually I will get a blue cherry board (not Filco) and a used Topre.

So, after realizing how important nkro is to me (which I hadn't realized before) and that I probably won't like the sound of cherry blue (I like the sound of the browns and the white alps are about as loud as I'd like), I've decided to only get one more board and it will either be cherry clear, brown or topre with NKRO. Currently looking for a good deal (prefer black color).

EDIT: So, I'm looking for suggestions. I'm trying to figure out what is the cheapest option here. Has to be NKRO, be black in color and have browns, clears or topre.

[keyboardlover]

Cheap rules out Topre.

I just posted a Cherry MX8100 with Cherry Clears for $19 BIN but it sold an hour after I posted the link.  Gotta be quick to get the deals!

I know...I liked that one; only thing I didn't like is that it was white. If something like that came up that was black with nkro I would jump on it! I would consider the Topre if it was a good deal (and frankly I wouldn't care about the color either).

[Voixdelion]

Hmm.  Interesting how much different frequency/pitch affects the irritation factor.  I actually think the blues are less "noisy" than the white alps.   While I think both switches are similar in terms of actual volume, I feel like the Alps have a seemingly more echoey and extended click while blues have a crisp staccato where the sound is not as sustained. Reminds of that sonic device (I think it's called the 'Mosquito') which  is supposed to prevent teens loitering (in front of businesses, for  example) by emitting an annoying sound which is not audible to most  adults due to the tendency to lose the ability to hear the higher frequencies as we age...

[keyboardlover]

I know...I liked that one; only thing I didn't like is that it was white. If something like that came up that was black with nkro I would jump on it! I would consider the Topre if it was a good deal (and frankly I wouldn't care about the color either).

So, I ended up going for the Topre for a bunch of reasons: I didn't want to spend more than $100 on a keyboard unless I got a Topre, it seems to be the closest feel to the Keytronic, and I got it on sale/am selling a couple keyboards to make up for the price. In the end it basically costs the same as two decent cherry boards anyway.

Also I noticed an interesting thing; as much as I like the AT101W at first, in the end I decided I liked the MX11800 much better than it. So Cherry browns won out! So, if I like the Topre best my favorite switches/keyboards will be:
1. Topre
2. Cherry brown
3. Key Tronic

Haven't gotten the Realforce yet, but I will update when I do!

[itlnstln]

Glad you got the Realforce on a blind Topre buy.  The HHKB would have left you wanting in terms of keyfeel.  Now that I have a RF, I love Topres, but I really miss the HHKB layout.

[itlnstln]

Often you can find samples of the switches used in 2 and 3 in 1, so there is an opportunity to try-before-you-buy.  Number 4, and Topre specifically, you pretty much have to buy blind or have a friend that has one.

[Voixdelion]

So, I ended up going for the Topre...

:jaw:

 That was fast; looks like Patrick and I had you pegged for not getting out of this forum cheap, but you don't ****foot around do you?.  Good for you!  You'll probably love it.  I don't think I've seen a comment about anyone not liking the Topre once they've built up the courage (or funds) to get one. (and speaking of Patrick - still waiting for you to chime on the "what have you bought" thread; as you said, we seem to have had some parallel experiences.)

[Jalal]

I think i barely regreted going for a good but expensive choice, but i often regreted saving money on the wrong products. So Topre was hopefully a good investment for you.

[Voixdelion]

I think i barely regreted going for a good but expensive choice, but i often regreted saving money on the wrong products. So Topre was hopefully a good investment for you.

Very good point- and something I would do well to remember.  You may see yourself quoted on my facebook page...

[keyboardlover]

I think i barely regreted going for a good but expensive choice, but i often regreted saving money on the wrong products. So Topre was hopefully a good investment for you.

I've found the only time I've regretting things like that is when I didn't belabor over the decision and really do my homework beforehand. Nowadays I do that with nearly every purchase I make over $100 (dunno why I guess I'm just more careful with money). In the end though, I guess the Realforce just seemed like the best investment. And since I type for a living, I consider my keyboard to be an investment.

[ch_123]

I'm not sure I get the logic of "once I'm over $100 I might as well go to $200" but I think you'll like the RealForce.

I tend to think it of it as:

1.  Good deals under $50 - used, free from dumpster,  Ebay finds
2.  Mainstream Mechanicals - $50-$100 - Adesso, Scorpius, Steelseries 6GV2
3.  Great quality and/or Feature Laden LED lit - $100 - $200- Das, Filco, Deck, the new Razer/Scorpius
4.  Boutique Topre - $200 Plus

And of course like most products there is usually a direct corellation with price/quality but diminishing returns as you go up the price curve.  Like the all metal keyboards.  Or the Optimus Maximus Biggus ****us.

Having tried both a Topre keyboard and a Brown Cherry keyboard, I would gladly say that I'd pay twice the money for the Topre.

[patrickgeekhack]

:jaw:

 That was fast; looks like Patrick and I had you pegged for not getting out of this forum cheap, but you don't ****foot around do you?.  Good for you!  You'll probably love it.  I don't think I've seen a comment about anyone not liking the Topre once they've built up the courage (or funds) to get one. (and speaking of Patrick - still waiting for you to chime on the "what have you bought" thread; as you said, we seem to have had some parallel experiences.)

Yea, I still have to chime in on that thread.