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Offline Neccros

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« on: Sat, 21 August 2010, 21:42:26 »
I hope this is the right sub forum for this post...

Ive always liked mechanical keyboards and found the ones I liked based on how they feel.  Well now it seems no local stores carry any mechanical keyboards for me to see what they are like.  

I recently discovered this site and learned there are others like me but much more knowledgeable regarding the different switches, both brands and types.

So what I am looking for is there anyone in socal that could let me check out some different keyboards??   Before I get stuck with a $150-200 keyboard, Id like to see the differences between the models/switches and see what I like then shop based on that.

I still have a ton of old AT based NMB keyboards with switches I like but have no clue what they are.  They have a sort of mushroom shaped switch with 2 metal bands that touch once the key switch is pressed.  

So if anyone has suggestions where I can check out some keyboards in so cal let me know!

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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 22 August 2010, 09:43:06 »
I haven't even set foot in California. Guess I can't help you there.

But take a picture of these switches on those NMB keyboards and we can help.
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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 22 August 2010, 16:46:25 »
I only own a crap cell phone camera but I will try my best to get a decent image....

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 23 August 2010, 20:32:08 »
I am - near LAX.  Believe someone was posting a thread about some regional Keyboard pot luck meetings a few months ago, but dunno if the idea caught on... Perhaps we would have to declare a day for such a festivity.  There could be games, food, dancing, tae ko drums... oh wait, that's Bon Odori... We could have a 'Board Odori!
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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 24 August 2010, 19:34:45 »
not sure what happened to the last 2 posts on here but here is a link to a pic of the switches in my NMB keyboard...


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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 24 August 2010, 20:18:51 »
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not sure what happened to the last 2 posts on here ...
Your last two posts have been consumed by the void, lost in the ether.
 
GH has been intermittently gulping for air the last couple days, some kind of database problem, apparently resolved.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 09:23:31 »
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......but here is a link to a pic of the switches in my NMB keyboard...


Seems like NMB RT-101 ( -101+, if it has large reversed L Enter key )
Be careful when you pull key caps off from switches.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 09:37:37 »
So what are the switches in this keyboard???  Mainly the one on the left in the pic....   And are there any modern keyboards using this switch???

Is there an comparable switch??  I liked the feel of these keyboards but want to find something similar switch wise but modern looking and in black....

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 09:48:03 »
Can you read the model/part numbers on the keyboard?  (Probably on the back somewhere, maybe inside.)

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 11:15:33 »
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So what are the switches in this keyboard???
 Mainly the one on the left in the pic....  


So the answer is they are mechanical switches made by NMB.

Your keyboard might have signs of "Hi-Tech Corp" on the PCB or on a face plate.   Hi-tech corp = US NMB.
Basically the switches are clicky type but there were linear version as well.
You can change your clicky switches to non-clicky linear by pulling out a tiny white lever which locates opposite end of switching plates.  
AFIK, those three switches in you pic are basically same though shapes are different somehow.
There may be no rule for colors of stem except blue or green stem with a stronger spring used for a space bar on latter models.


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And are there any modern keyboards using this switch???

If "this switch" means NMB made switch literally, the answer is No.
No idea about fakes or knockoff.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 16:24:10 »
I think I remember reading at least one Fry's was carrying siigs and possibly scorpius's so you might be able to test cherry blues there if they still have them.

God I miss Fry's.  One of the only things besides Carls Jr. about SoCal I miss.  Maybe Disneyland too. lol  Got a real desire to go to Disneyland even though I'm 37 and don't have any kids for some reason. lol
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 16:25:06 »
Mmmm... Carl's Jr.  Guilty pleasure.


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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 16:53:51 »
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I think I remember reading at least one Fry's was carrying siigs and possibly scorpius's so you might be able to test cherry blues there if they still have them.

God I miss Fry's.  One of the only things besides Carls Jr. about SoCal I miss.  Maybe Disneyland too. lol  Got a real desire to go to Disneyland even though I'm 37 and don't have any kids for some reason. lol


Dland is still fun... You will hate me, I am within driving distances of 4 or more Frys!  LOL

I will have to see if I can find those 'boards at Frys... I saw the Steelseries 7G there but that was the only mechanical keyboard they had.  It was sealed and none out for fondling so I don't know how they feel...

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 17:21:37 »
Princess Auto is comparable to Fry's when you're not in SoCal.
 
But nothing replaces In-n-Out.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 17:30:13 »
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Princess Auto is comparable to Fry's when you're not in SoCal.
 
But nothing replaces In-n-Out.


How is princessauto.com like Frys???  Frys sells electronics, NOT car parts!

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 17:58:18 »
"Princess Auto sells more than just parts" ... you'd be surprised, it is a place to worship.
 
I suppose if you just want any old electronics then Best Buy, Future Shop, Staples, Office Depot, Radio Shack, whatever.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 18:05:11 »
Or you can crash Electronics Recycling Day.
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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 25 August 2010, 20:33:48 »
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Dland is still fun... You will hate me, I am within driving distances of 4 or more Frys!  LOL

I will have to see if I can find those 'boards at Frys... I saw the Steelseries 7G there but that was the only mechanical keyboard they had.  It was sealed and none out for fondling so I don't know how they feel...

My father is actually back in California, and I'll probably be moving back in about 6 months if I don't end up going to Japan after I graduate college.
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 26 August 2010, 07:22:46 »
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But nothing replaces In-n-Out.


I missed my chance to eat at an In-N-Out last time I was CA a couple of years ago.  I don't recall eating there when I was a kid living in CA, but I hear nothing but good things about it.


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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 26 August 2010, 11:49:21 »
Konrad wonders in third person just how many Third Hands Kishy goes through.

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 26 August 2010, 13:00:46 »
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I missed my chance to eat at an In-N-Out last time I was CA a couple of years ago.  I don't recall eating there when I was a kid living in CA, but I hear nothing but good things about it.


I ate there a few times in the 70's and 80's.  I didn't think their menu or burgers were anything that special, but maybe they improved in the 90's and 00's.
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 00:05:05 »
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I ate there a few times in the 70's and 80's.  I didn't think their menu or burgers were anything that special, but maybe they improved in the 90's and 00's.


I don't think so - then again, I never really got that whole thing either.  I think people just liked it so they could get the bumper sticker to cut off the "B" and "R"
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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 01:10:25 »
In-N-Out is pretty good, if you're into fast food burgers, better than the common corporate mega-alternatives. The key is the limited menu and non-frozen/fresher ingredients. They have a 'non-published' menu you can order from as well. It's pretty much a cult following from the old days when there were only a dozen locations around LA. Privately owned.
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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 05:01:20 »
So how did we go from keyboards to burgers????

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 05:35:32 »
My fault. Topic switch back to keyboards.
 
One thing that hasn't really been said here yet (by the vastly wise and worldly keyboard elitists of geekhand) is that your choice of keyboard should be based on your particular preferences.
 
Mechanical keyswitches are generally known to be superior to the common rubber dome (and much hated membrane) keyboards of today. They can last at least ten times longer, they generally offer superior tactile response, they often have a pleasing distinctive little clickety sound, they can usually be more easily repaired, they're even available in many different colours. Some GHers are neurotically passionate about which flavour of keyswitches they must always have, or seem to collect a variety of different types to suit particular moods and activities.  Or they have other more serious mental problems and their keyboard-fixation serves as a harmless (yet bizarrely eccentric) outlet for otherwise homocidal outbursts.
 
What is not often discussed is that many people - I daresay perhaps even most people - today actually prefer rubber dome keyboards. Not most GH people, but common people, consumers, the "proletariat", even many professional typists. In truth, most people actually don't care and hardly know there even is a difference between keyswitches, but once they do some still often prefer to select domes. This is simply because, having used nothing but domes their entire lives, they are actually more comfortable with them and find the characteristics of mechanicals/springs/etc just feel "wrong" or are "too loud" or whatever. You'll never enjoy typing (or improve your typing) if you hate your keyboard.
 
I second the advice given above - try before you buy if you have a chance. If you're willing to spend a little extra $$ to get a quality keyboard you'll love using for years then it's worth the effort. I prefer and would generally recommend a quality mechanical keyboard, but if you just don't like and can't get accustomed to it then stick with domes or whatever you prefer.  Notice the loyalty to particular keyboard brands or models you see on GH, it's a good informal "review" of which models are judged preferable.  You can also go to gamer forums to see which keyboard models they generally prefer for their particular usage.
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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 05:42:07 »
Your preaching to the choir.... I know I liked mechanical keyboards for YEARS just I didnt know which ones I like based on switches and what type of switch it is... thats why I made this post so I can feel different keyboards before I drop 140+ on a keyboard and I dont like it.

Ive only used old NMB keyboards and was exposed to WYSE terminal keyboards and most recently bought a Matias Tactile Pro 2.0 which was ok, but the feet broke on me and I ended up returning it and I am using a used one I bought from them as a "parts" keyboard until I can find another one I like

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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 05:49:34 »
I've heard much goodness about the Deck Legend - a bonus is that you can specify which particular keyswitches you prefer when ordering one.
 
Personally, I'm leaning towards a SteelSeries 7G (or 6Gv2, same thing with less bling).
 
You might see what GH members are offering for sale ... maybe you can arrange some kind of "try out" basis if you ask nice?

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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 05:51:57 »
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I've heard much goodness about the Deck Legend - a bonus is that you can specify which particular keyswitches you prefer when ordering one.
 
Personally, I'm leaning towards a SteelSeries 7G (or 6Gv2, same thing with less bling).
 
You might see what GH members are offering for sale ... maybe you can arrange some kind of "try out" basis if you ask nice?


I went to Frys yesterday and saw the 7G but they didnt have one out for me to molest and all the boxes are sealed....  How is this keyboard??

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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 05:53:18 »
I don't know firsthand.
 
Will Fry's let you return an open-box?  Maybe you can try it out for a few (maybe as many as 14 or 30) days?

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 05:55:11 »
Probably... I want to research a little more.   Are you familiar with WYSE terminals???

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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 06:03:59 »
I've scratched my head in confusion as I saw middle-aged nerds triumphantly fishing piles of WYSE terminals out of a dumpster, before.  But otherwise, no, not really.  I suppose they'd be a great source for switch parts, though a lot of cleaning and refurb might be involved.

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 06:07:31 »
The 7g apparently uses mx blacks, so it's linear.   If you're looking for a clicky or tactile you probably wouldn't like that one...
 I'm surprised they don't have the JK-US0112-S1, or scorpius m10's.  I'm sure I read an article saying they had tons of overpriced ones...  I guess they musta sold out or stopped carrying them.

Walmart carries them??

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Siig-JK-US0112-S1-USB-Desktop-Keyboard/13215115

Strange.

This is the one I read about that they had at Fry's

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=7595

Was in October of last year, but looks like they had them as of May.

They're a fake white alps apparently, but were relatively overpriced, but if you find a store that still has them at least maybe you could try them out.

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:10030
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Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 06:08:18 »
Well like I said I know what I like by feel and not knowing anything about the switches used...  But I like the feel of old Apple IIe/early Mac keyboards, WYSE terminals, and the NMB keyboards I own.

I'm starting to think these are "linear" switches but I cannot verify until I can feel one in person to compare.

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 06:15:02 »
Aha, Apple IIe keyboards I know well.  They used switches similar to what we now call Cherry Blacks.  Of course that's not what they really were, and the parts are not interchangable, but (to me at least) the tactile/audio response was nearly identical.
 
Never touched an early Mac.  Ick.  Dirty.

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 06:19:16 »
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Aha, Apple IIe keyboards I know well.  They used switches similar to what we now call Cherry Blacks.  Of course that's not what they really were, and the parts are not interchangable, but (to me at least) the tactile/audio response was nearly identical.
 
Never touched an early Mac.  Ick.  Dirty.


I never liked macs either, just the fact they used mechanical keyboards.

So what current models use this type of switch???

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 06:28:04 »
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=cherry+black+keyboard&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=f32b3fd4d33170c6
 
Perhaps the 7G, don't know.
Can be specified when ordering a Deck Legend.
Some ("professional") Logitech and Microsoft keyboards.
 
Don't take my assertion as absolute fact.  I've used a variety of Cherries (though not all possible types) and the blacks seem like a nearly identical match.
 
Cherry actually started off in Taiwan as one of the ne'er-do-well evil cloners who produced keyboards for Apple ][+ ripoffs.  They actually tossed out a few clones themselves, but were best known (within the evil Taiwan cloning community) for making perhaps the best keyboard modules.  At least three other Taiwan companies also made keyboards, and they probably copied Cherry, but that's no guarantee my particular unit was made by Cherry.  At the time (that is, prior to shifting into PC cloning) Cherry only made one kind of keyswitch, though it seems to have become the standard for the era.

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 06:36:24 »
Just played a Youtube video and the Cherry MX blacks sound like my NMB keyboards... you get that nice crisp sound/feel when the key hits the bottom of its travel...

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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 27 August 2010, 07:08:51 »
I tend to prefer silent keys, myself. Though I like clickety versions, at least the ones that don't have that buckling-spring "twang" sound (which can apparently be muffled quite effectively, though I've never done it).
 
The Apple IIe keys have a gentle/firm (nearly "mushy") resistance until depressed about halfway, at which point they immediately issue a gentle click and suddenly go "soft" and (if you choose to press further) will bottom out solidly without further resistance. They snap upwards quietly and rapidly, you can feel it begin even while moving your finger to another key. The RESET key was a stiff and stubborn beast, as was the unusually cantankerous 60dB spacebar.
 
This differs a bit from my experience with Cherry blacks, but not a lot. I found buckling springs to be similar but somehow the halfway transition just felt (and sounded) "harsher" than I liked.
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