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Offline joker

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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 13 September 2010, 11:01:16 »
then you are still missing the letters ä, ü and ö ..

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 13 September 2010, 11:43:03 »
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I would just swap the Y and Z keys, keep/set German in Windows and as long as the Deck has the same amount of keys or one useless key fewer, it should work. This is what lmnop meant.


useless... USELESS

how dare u call the sharp s aka "ß" useless! Just because it can be replaced by a "ss"... And how dare u call the ÄÖÜ useless just because they can be replaced by "ae" "oe" and "ue" ?!?!?!?

I am deeply offended! :D

Nah it just doesn't cut it. Plus the layout with Alt Gr is simply better imho. Doesn't mean it is, just is for me is all.

Offline Jalal

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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 13 September 2010, 12:53:50 »
Wait you should still be able to type ß ä ö ü since there is only one key missing. I didn't call any of the latter useless, but i thought of this one: <>|

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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 13 September 2010, 15:17:49 »
Of course you can type these characters on US-layout by setting DE-layout in windows but its still strange and maybe you have to switch between the layout-settings when looking for ><| etc...
Here the Layouts in comparison:


I think about taking the german Filco and a blank keyset additional (105-keyset blank available @ keyboardco...)

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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 13 September 2010, 15:22:27 »
@ripster

from the pictures I have to say I am very impressed as you are one ugly american who quite obviously actually knows how to pronounce Ä Ö Ü !

I think my head just exploded ^^

@Jalal and darkrider

1.: But the huge Enter key !!!!!

2.: <>| is HUGELY important !!!!!!! How else would I say stuff on geekhack like e.g.: me > u
       my schlong > yours
       my bank account < yours :(
       Boston Celtics > LA Lakers

and most importantly we are |        |   this far appart in our oppinions :typing:

Offline Jalal

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« Reply #55 on: Tue, 14 September 2010, 13:33:47 »
Yes, about <> i thought what darkrider said, just switch to US for that occasion. Or like someone said before, get blank keycaps from performance pcs, you can at last exchange the irritating keys with those. But they cost for us like 40€ total i think.

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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 14 September 2010, 14:55:07 »
I got a used (1 year) red Deck Legend for 140€ (thx to Senor_Cartmenez for the hint) that should addrive this week (I hope so).

I think about buying the Filco (ger-Layout with browns) next month...
I also plan to get a topre board later (heard they would be comfortable) e.g. Realforce/Happy Hacking Pro 2).
« Last Edit: Tue, 14 September 2010, 15:02:48 by d4rkr1d3r »

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 14 September 2010, 15:14:09 »
If you're looking for key feel on the Topre 'board, go Realforce.  The HHKB has a kickass layout, but it's not as nice feeling.

OT, but I decided to switch it up a bit and type on some Cherry browns.  It's like a  little "hook-up for old times sake" with an old GF.  It does remind me that I need to take the spring out of the spacebar on my Realforce.  That ***** is stiff compared to a Cherry brown.


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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 14 September 2010, 17:23:27 »
Is it mentioned anywhere, why the hhkb and realforce keyboard feel different?

Offline joker

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 14 September 2010, 17:27:25 »
I think it is because of the backplate... this is the review: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:10955

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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 14 September 2010, 17:28:30 »
Perfect, thanks

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« Reply #61 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 01:14:48 »
But you would suggest the RF with different strong keys, not the 55g version, right?
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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 01:26:49 »
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But you would suggest the RF with different strong keys, not the 55g version, right?


If you don't get fatigued on your Deck with cherry blacks, then I don't see a reason for you to avoid the 55g, if you prefer a heavier switch.  On the other hand, you also said you wanted to try out browns.  I think the real question is what do you plan on using the Realforce for the most?  What are your current preferences based on your current experiences? Then variable versus 55g can be sorted.
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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 04:57:01 »
Yes, you're right. I was poorly informed about the realforce board. Thought all "small" keys would be 35g, shift etc 45g and space 55...
But I think it feels weird if there are differences between WASD...
Maybe I'll get the Realforce first and then the Filco, but first I need the mones (so have to wait until next month) :hurt:

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« Reply #64 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 05:04:23 »
the Topre Realforce is a typing keyboard. buy the variable model. you bought a Deck Legend.

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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 05:14:16 »
but which are the adventages of the variable model?
I cant see any advantage in needing less force to press 'a' than for 'D' for example.
BTW: do the HHKB-caps fit for realforce (e.g. red esc)?
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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 05:54:20 »


I don't mean to sound rude but if you can't figure out the ergonomic advantage of the variable model maybe you should hone your typing skills before you buy a Topre Realforce lol

I think so.
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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 05:58:16 »


I don't mean to sound rude but if you can't figure out the ergonomic advantage of the variable model maybe you should hone your typing skills before you buy a Topre Realforce.

I think so.

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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 07:23:39 »
Aah, the pic explains everything. Didn't know the allocation of the different switches (first I thought all keys would be equal, but only the larger keys would be stiffer. When reading about this being wrong I got confused.).
Maybe I'd like the variable version more...
First I'll see how I like the stiffness of the Blacks and then I could see if I take the variable or the 55g one.
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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 09:27:14 »
lol @ ripster xDD

Does anyone know if this is the  "normal" variable Version?
Cuz there is only written about 45g and 33g and not 55, 45, 35...

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« Reply #70 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 10:06:00 »
I knew there were those that did 30 g pinkies as opposed to 35g pinkies, but this is the first I've heard of 33g.

Well, they did 30g before they did 35g, so 30/45 with 55 on esc would be the original.  35/45/55esc is normal to elitekeyboard shopping Americans.

I wouldn't worry that much about 2g difference, if that's true for the Finnish model.  I can't imagine it would actually be cost effective to manufacture 33g domes, when they've already got 30 and 35g.
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« Reply #71 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 10:22:14 »
The variable weighting thing is very subtle, and you probably won't notice it during regular typing.

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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 10:39:03 »
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Hey, women LOVE that.


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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 10:42:04 »
did ripster just say lol?

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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 12:26:52 »
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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 13:25:28 »
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Offline Senor_Cartmenez

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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 15:21:04 »
Uhm I got news from ActiveKey, apparently they don't give a **** anymore. They told me to buy what they have or go **** myself ;)

Well actually they just said there is not enough interest in Decks so they are discontinuing them. They sell what's left in stock and that's that.
I contacted Deck keyboards about that. The Adam guy simply replied to my long ass love/hate story with ups and downs that: If ActiveKey doesn't provide it, I can't get it. My question if there will be another Euro distributor and stuff like that, no reply. Like lmnop said, they just dont care ....

Now, I have 1 option left: I was offered the US deck together with a German set of keys. I may still take that offer which is kinda gay but well...

The one Question I have is: How hard would it be to add 1 additional Key (switch) to the board. It must be possible since they did it, but can I do it?
Skills required can be learned. Tools required are available (yes even without me know what I need I say that, trust me I got access to all kinds of tools ;) ).

thx for your help and goodbye Deck in Europe

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« Reply #77 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 15:37:01 »
Uff, sorry, can't help u adding this key...
What about ordering the red one for 100€ and changing the LEDs? The cases (if you want blue) can separately purchased at the Deck shop...
Or don't they have any 82er @ Activekey anymore?

Uff, now I'm even more lucky that I got the Legend (and for less money) :D
« Last Edit: Wed, 15 September 2010, 15:42:40 by d4rkr1d3r »

Offline Senor_Cartmenez

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« Reply #78 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 16:01:56 »
They still got the Fire 82 Deck in GER layout, yeah. But it has the rollover issue, it was reported that it fails QWE and that is pretty lame as those buttons are part of my FPS layout ^^
I don't play WASD I play ESDF plus QW, A, D, etc.
Anyhow, if someone can tell me if it is possible and if yes how I can add a key to the board, I would be delighted to know. THen I will prolly just go for an overpriced Legend and call it a day. Or order it from the US, could well be cheaper still.

/Edit

I just got word from deckkeyboards US that it's not possible to add another key without major hardware and firmware modification and that it will never be a true GER layout. They can only provide me with the schematics...

Awesome. So now it's either US layout or xArmor U9BL for me.

Shame, I really warmed up to that weird looking 82 Deck. Was really looking forward to it.. And the xArmor still has the blue switch thing. Aw man this sux. I guess I will go for a US layout god damnit.
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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 15 September 2010, 16:26:51 »
And you definately want backlight...
What about building liittle led lamp on top of a board?
There are filco and steelseries in ger layout...
I also posted a link of 105-key Topre Realforce
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« Reply #80 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 03:13:03 »
They certainly don't.

I wonder if they are already peeing themselves because of Razer or if they are just saying "it was good while it lasted" and are ready to retire or what.

@lmnop's comment where he said Deck has been around since 2000 something and will be for much longer:

Look at there homepage. All kind of content has been disappearing, be it manuals, be it the pathetic forum, be it the products themselves.
Deckkeyboards.com doesn't actually sell much **** anymore. They only offer 2 keyboards in either tactile OR linear, the other 3 are only available with linear switches. They only offer 1 single type if 82 deck. The 21-key numpad has disappeard, the single keys and bags o' keys have disappeared. All the stuff they sell in their "components" section are looking like production leftovers (I am sure they had better fram colors to offer than that wicked baby blue and wierd red that looks like orange for the Deck 82).

I don't like this development at all. ActiveKey is already packing it in now. And I wonder how many more years Deck USA will continue to exist if they continue to shrink their business instead of growing it...

I mean I asked Deck if they had any future plans for Europe or if they might be looking for a distributor, now that Activekey is abandoning ship. They didn't even give me any answer to that at all. Come on.
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« Reply #81 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 04:39:38 »
I thought that i also need a backlight... my final descision was that i ordered a flico with german layout and blank keys - so i dont need a backlight!
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« Reply #82 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 05:03:33 »
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They certainly don't.

I wonder if they are already peeing themselves because of Razer or if they are just saying "it was good while it lasted" and are ready to retire or what.

@lmnop's comment where he said Deck has been around since 2000 something and will be for much longer:

Look at there homepage. All kind of content has been disappearing, be it manuals, be it the pathetic forum, be it the products themselves.
Deckkeyboards.com doesn't actually sell much **** anymore. They only offer 2 keyboards in either tactile OR linear, the other 3 are only available with linear switches. They only offer 1 single type if 82 deck. The 21-key numpad has disappeard, the single keys and bags o' keys have disappeared. All the stuff they sell in their "components" section are looking like production leftovers (I am sure they had better fram colors to offer than that wicked baby blue and wierd red that looks like orange for the Deck 82).

I don't like this development at all. ActiveKey is already packing it in now. And I wonder how many more years Deck USA will continue to exist if they continue to shrink their business instead of growing it...

I mean I asked Deck if they had any future plans for Europe or if they might be looking for a distributor, now that Activekey is abandoning ship. They didn't even give me any answer to that at all. Come on.

Deck is a subsidiary of TG3 Electronics. I don't think Razer threatens Deck because Deck isn't trying to make a dollar.

don't put words into my mouth.

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« Reply #83 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 05:11:15 »
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They certainly don't.

I wonder if they are already peeing themselves because of Razer or if they are just saying "it was good while it lasted" and are ready to retire or what.

@lmnop's comment where he said Deck has been around since 2000 something and will be for much longer:

Look at there homepage. All kind of content has been disappearing, be it manuals, be it the pathetic forum, be it the products themselves.
Deckkeyboards.com doesn't actually sell much **** anymore. They only offer 2 keyboards in either tactile OR linear, the other 3 are only available with linear switches. They only offer 1 single type if 82 deck. The 21-key numpad has disappeard, the single keys and bags o' keys have disappeared. All the stuff they sell in their "components" section are looking like production leftovers (I am sure they had better fram colors to offer than that wicked baby blue and wierd red that looks like orange for the Deck 82).

I don't like this development at all. ActiveKey is already packing it in now. And I wonder how many more years Deck USA will continue to exist if they continue to shrink their business instead of growing it...

I mean I asked Deck if they had any future plans for Europe or if they might be looking for a distributor, now that Activekey is abandoning ship. They didn't even give me any answer to that at all. Come on.

Deck is a subsidiary of TG3 Electronics. I don't think Razer threatens Deck because Deck isn't trying to make a dollar. the market for gaming peripherals is large.

don't put words into my mouth.

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Deck has been around since 2003 and they are still here. I don't think your German jokes translate.

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« Reply #84 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 06:22:23 »
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Deck is a subsidiary of TG3 Electronics.


Tell me something I don't know, also don't see what the meaning of this statement is in terms of the situation of DECK keyboards (TG 3 Electronics has different stuff entirely).

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I don't think Razer threatens Deck because Deck isn't trying to make a dollar. the market for gaming peripherals is large.


1. It doesn't matter if they aren't trying to make a dollar (which is BS by the way, no company exists that is not trying to make money, otherwise it wouldn't exist, there are costs and work involved and such y'know?).
2. I am not sure if it is large enough. Apparently the "we don't care for money"-attitude has already knocked Deck out of the European market. Apparently it is not large enough for companies like Razer, Roccat and Logitech that, sucking as they may, have extremely good marketing communication strategies AND companies that, as superior as their products may be, suck at marketing communication and have no mission, goals, etc. that will enable them to be successful in the future (but as u said they don't care about being successful, they just show up to work every day and run a business because they can and enjoy it.... yeah right). Te former own the market. The latter are still existing in a niche which will continue to shrink. It may continue to exist for a long time, but it may just as well get so small that at some point Deck will have to pay to exist. And no matter how much teh kewl kidz "don't care", at that point it's over.
Now if Deck would be able and willing to take a few pages out of the "big boys' " playbooks, they might be in a different situation. As they are not and proclaim to not care about money, they will eventually be pushed out. But since they don't care about earning, they probably also don't care about ending their existence. So cudoes to them.

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don't put words into my mouth.


Why so sensitive dude? U said they've been around since 2003 and still are.
That was a reply to my metaphor (u called it "German joke" haha), stating that they will seize to exist if they continue like that (few days later ActiveKey ends Decks existence in Europe btw ...).

In that context I think it is quite the acceptable assumption by me to say that with your statement "around since 2003, still here" you implied they will be around much longer, hence disagreeing with my assessment (metaphor, German joke, whatever).

If I created a missunderstanding, I apologize. Still: Get that sand out of your vage. Until then:

*puts sand in his own vage*

don't give me instructions.

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« Reply #85 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 06:23:28 »
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I thought that i also need a backlight... my final descision was that i ordered a flico with german layout and blank keys - so i dont need a backlight!

Yeah, I am also leaning towards that now tbh (well without the blank keys, I do look down occasionally for the location of that odd sign I rarely use ;) )

But I searched quite a while and finally kind warmed up and then ultimately fell in love with the Deck 82 *g*
At the very least I will try it out I guess, may return it though afterwards and order a Filco or just wait for iOne to release the xArmor in GER layout...

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« Reply #86 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 06:51:52 »
what the ****?

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« Reply #87 on: Thu, 16 September 2010, 07:25:32 »
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what the ****?


urm, seems like we don't really understand each other all that well ^^

maybe we shouldn't talk to each other anymore :D