« previous next »
Pages:  [1]     Go Down

Author Topic: some hhkb questions  (Read 7989 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« on: Sat, 16 October 2010, 15:19:37 »
I received my hhkb and love it. thanks for everyone who helped with the decision. Now i have a few questions about it.
What does sw6(wake up) do? allow ur kb to wake up ur comp?
i think the answer is no but ill ask anyways. can i remap the arrow keys to pl' or wasd? also could i remap the layout to default colemak so i dont have to worry about switching layouts at lan which sometimes dosnt allow you to edit admin stuff like that?
also i love the texture of the keys and was wondering if any custom keycap manu make them like that? id like to have a custom red panic(esc) key, and instead of ~ i mapped it to terminal so id like the keycap to be >_, and turn return into EXECUTE.
also prehaps have cntrl, tab, shift, delete, and fn in white text so i could see them better. while the 30 a-z and chara keys blank which filco sell but are sold out at the moment.
Im placing my hhkb atop my laptop keyboard and noticed that the bottom of the hhkb heats up a bit? will anything happen bad?
« Last Edit: Sat, 16 October 2010, 22:09:23 by v193r »
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 16 October 2010, 18:41:47 »
do you make those pics urself?
the website wasnt helpful. know any good custom keycap places?
Logged

Offline chongyixiong

  • Posts: 257
  • Location: South East Asia
some hhkb questions
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 16 October 2010, 21:54:19 »
The Wake Up setting is for the Mac I believe.

On Windows machine, it doesn't do anything
Logged

Offline Rajagra

  • Posts: 1930
some hhkb questions
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 16 October 2010, 23:29:08 »
I had to put DIP switch 6 to On so I could wake my Windows PC from standby by pressing a key on the HHKB.
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 17 October 2010, 00:25:19 »
anyone answer the last question? anyone uses their hhkb atop there laptop kb?
Logged

Offline ironman31

  • Posts: 834
some hhkb questions
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 17 October 2010, 00:54:18 »
It will ruin everything forever (it should be fine)
Logged
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/AT,  Noppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)


Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution

Offline WhiteRice

  • Posts: 850
some hhkb questions
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 17 October 2010, 06:55:00 »
Quote from: v193r;235045
anyone answer the last question? anyone uses their hhkb atop there laptop kb?
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 17 October 2010, 18:07:13 »
wat is the meta key useful for beside some emac commands?
Logged

Offline unicomp

  • Posts: 119
some hhkb questions
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 17 October 2010, 18:24:48 »
Do people really change their DIP settings enough to warrant having to "bone up" on them?

I have only ever configured the settings once by the DIP switches, ensuring that I have backspace above enter.
Logged

Offline unicomp

  • Posts: 119
some hhkb questions
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 17 October 2010, 18:34:20 »
Quote from: ripster;235295
Actually I randomly set other people's keyboard DIPs for the lulz.


Sadly I don't know anyone else who has a DIP switch enabled board.

Quote from: ripster;235295

Got those Media (sound vol/mute) keys to work yet?


Use a Griffin Powermate, they are cool.
Logged

Offline unicomp

  • Posts: 119
some hhkb questions
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 17 October 2010, 18:40:44 »
Quote from: ripster;235299
My CH Trackballs have TWO separate DIP setting blocks depending on Model number.  

I Pity The Fool who buys those from me on Ebay in 20 years.  I'll sell the trackballs then charge double for the instruction sheet.


In some senses I have found it difficult to see the apparent obsession of many people with DIP switches, however I am beginning to see that they are good for many people. I suppose that the ability to hard-change the layout of the board is a rather useful thing for people who are constantly moving the board from machine to machine. I have to say that the HHKB was the first board that made me interested in high-quality input devices.
Logged

Offline elservo

  • Posts: 201
some hhkb questions
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 17 October 2010, 20:36:40 »
The media keys work fine on my Mac, but I haven't figured out how to get them to work on my PC.
Logged
Majestouch Tactile Click (Work)
AEKII(Home)

Offline itlnstln

  • Posts: 7048
some hhkb questions
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 18 October 2010, 07:42:40 »
Media keys do not work in Windows; they send Mac-specific scancodes.  Any of the legends that are in italics are Mac-specific; Delete has cross-platform use, so it has both legends.
Logged

Offline Rajagra

  • Posts: 1930
some hhkb questions
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 18 October 2010, 09:53:04 »
Quote from: itlnstln;235438
Media keys do not work in Windows; they send Mac-specific scancodes.  Any of the legends that are in italics are Mac-specific

The Eject key sends a code that manages to sneak past Windows' security. AutoHotKey reports it as VK 83 / SC 06B / F20.
Edit> Power key gets through too, VK 5E / SC 15E.
« Last Edit: Mon, 18 October 2010, 09:57:09 by Rajagra »
Logged

Offline itlnstln

  • Posts: 7048
some hhkb questions
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 18 October 2010, 09:55:30 »
Huh.  I hadn't tried that one. I was really hoping the volume controls were going to work when I bought it.
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 20 October 2010, 20:39:05 »
i got a new issue with my hhkb. sometimes i hear the rubber cup bounce up. its not very often. is this unusual?
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 20 October 2010, 20:56:39 »
so nothing life threatening.
Logged

Offline maxlugar

  • Posts: 379
some hhkb questions
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 20 October 2010, 21:14:08 »
Quote from: v193r;236594
so nothing life threatening.


Only if you strike a match when your Topre key switches fart  :)
Logged
Emperor of the IBM 84-key AT Model F Darkside

Offline Kairxa

  • Posts: 163
some hhkb questions
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 20 October 2010, 22:05:22 »
Quote from: maxlugar;236595
Only if you strike a match when your Topre key switches fart  :)


Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 01:14:11 »
any word on where i can get some custom hhkb keys?
Logged

Offline LawnJesus

  • Posts: 21
some hhkb questions
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 02:04:14 »
I would almost consider purchasing a HHKB over a FILCO or whatever and just save a bit longer to AFFORD one ('cuz they be a lot of money), but all that DIP switch stuff sounds really confusing. -_-
Logged
-IBM Model M #1391401 09/30/92

Offline maxlugar

  • Posts: 379
some hhkb questions
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 02:22:38 »
Quote from: LawnJesus;236655
I would almost consider purchasing a HHKB over a FILCO or whatever and just save a bit longer to AFFORD one ('cuz they be a lot of money), but all that DIP switch stuff sounds really confusing. -_-


Nah, don't worry about the DIP switches on the HHKB.  Just like Ron says: "You set it and...forget it!"

People like ripster only make the DIP switches seem confusing because they are bitter and angry that PFU Fujitsu and Topre Corp have successfully been selling keyboards for premium prices with archaic tecnhology, not to mention Topre's apparent lack of innovation.

To me, DIP switches do not significantly impact how I use the HHKB; I am not a hacker (but I am happy).  I'm still patiently waiting for the  HHKB Professional X with flash memory and dedicated arrow keys...but I'm not holding my breath.
Logged
Emperor of the IBM 84-key AT Model F Darkside

Offline Rajagra

  • Posts: 1930
some hhkb questions
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 08:40:33 »
I set all my DIP switches at the half way point. I hate decision making.
Logged

Offline Rajagra

  • Posts: 1930
some hhkb questions
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 09:04:29 »
To be fair on PFU, they did level the playing field. The media keys only worked on the Mac if they downloaded the driver. The driver is not available for current versions of MacOS. And the download link is broken anyway. Balance is restored!
Logged

Offline Rajagra

  • Posts: 1930
some hhkb questions
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 11:19:50 »
Quote from: ripster;236776
What's "Clear"?


It works as NumLock you fool. Isn't that obvious???
Logged

Offline Rajagra

  • Posts: 1930
some hhkb questions
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 11:33:14 »
Now that's beyond Otaku. Having NumLock but no numpad, not even embedded.
Logged

Offline unicomp

  • Posts: 119
some hhkb questions
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 12:51:38 »
Quote from: ripster;236816
why even HAVE mac mode?


hipster 'geeks'...
Logged

Offline washuai

  • Posts: 410
  • Location: SF
    • http://home.earthlink.net/~haruai/
some hhkb questions
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 15:17:45 »
@ custom topre caps - custom topre keycaps are even harder to come by than cherry ones, unless you count the blank sets elitekeyboards carries.  Makes sense, since one really only gets topre caps more as custom, than replacement necessities and unless topre or ClickClack is making them, they are likely inferior to the stock caps.

If you have money to burn, good luck cutting in line with ClickClack or ordering a bulk custom set from overseas.
Logged
⌨(home)Realforce 87U ⌨(backup) Filco Majestouch 104 Brown ⌨(backup)Cherry G80-8200LPDUS ⌨(work)Leopold FC200RT/AB
☛CST L-Trac-X ☛Logitech Wireless Optical Trackman ☛ Razer 3500 dpi ☛MS Explorer DeathAdder
Lay-a-bouts:  ⌨Full 109 Key Virtually Indestructable  Keyboard ⌨Compaq Radio Quack GYUR84SK
Wishlist: ⌨KBDmania Pure ⌨Déck 82 ice/frost/toxic/royal ⌨Ricercar spos G86-62410EUAGSA ☠ ✞⌨miniGuru(s) ☠
 ✐Intuos or Cintiq

Offline LawnJesus

  • Posts: 21
some hhkb questions
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 20:25:38 »
So on the HHKB, the key that would usually be a caps lock key is a control key? Is that for reducing RSI or something? That's the only thing I can think of.

That would be so weird for gaming, if control would be bound to crouching or whatever.
Logged
-IBM Model M #1391401 09/30/92

Offline elservo

  • Posts: 201
some hhkb questions
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 21:55:17 »
Unplug, flip switch, plug in.  No rebooting needed to change any settings.

And I don't think I'll ever have to change my switches again after just a couple bouts of fiddling with them.  Really not a big deal at all.  I'll let you know which ones I flipped, and I can tell you that it works perfectly on a PC and a Mac, as I switch back and forth quite often.  I swing both ways.  

Haven't run it in Linux, but I imagine there wouldn't be any dip switching necessary.
Logged
Majestouch Tactile Click (Work)
AEKII(Home)

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 21 October 2010, 23:32:39 »
Quote from: maxlugar;236658
Nah, don't worry about the DIP switches on the HHKB.  Just like Ron says: "You set it and...forget it!"

People like ripster only make the DIP switches seem confusing because they are bitter and angry that PFU Fujitsu and Topre Corp have successfully been selling keyboards for premium prices with archaic tecnhology, not to mention Topre's apparent lack of innovation.

To me, DIP switches do not significantly impact how I use the HHKB; I am not a hacker (but I am happy).  I'm still patiently waiting for the  HHKB Professional X with flash memory and dedicated arrow keys...but I'm not holding my breath.

what do you mean by dedicated arrow keys? if you mean what i think you mean what is wrong with current ones?

Quote from: LawnJesus;237046
So on the HHKB, the key that would usually be a caps lock key is a control key? Is that for reducing RSI or something? That's the only thing I can think of.

That would be so weird for gaming, if control would be bound to crouching or whatever.

I game on my HHKB and use shift for crouch and ctrl for walk.
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 00:31:23 »
OMG
my wrist rest is sold out and remove from products on filco right before im about to get it.
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,palm_rests&pid=fkbprmb
please tell me ill come back. im srsly about to cry about a wrist rest.
but some good news it that black hhkb are in stock.
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,keycaps&pid=pdkb400ktbn
also is it perfectly safe to remove keycaps and put new ones in. im newbie and afraid to mess with such an expensive keyboard. already it seems like some of the keys are a bit out of line but its by some mm and i have ocd(joke maybe).
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 11:03:19 »
even thou the wrist rest is sold out it can still add to cart and pay for it. will this mean i can get it or they will later tell me then are out of stock.
also found another place to buy it. is it trusted?
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=634
« Last Edit: Fri, 22 October 2010, 11:05:22 by v193r »
Logged

Offline keyboardlover

  • Posts: 4022
  • Hey Paul Walker, Click It or Ticket!
    • http://www.keyboardlover.com
some hhkb questions
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 11:04:32 »
Quote from: v193r;237305
even thou the wrist rest is sold out it can still add to cart and pay for it. will this mean i can get it or they will later tell me then are out of stock.

Email them and ask.
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 11:14:05 »
Quote
Hi Scott,

I've taken apart a FILCO palm rest (because I didn't trust the
description from the Chinese factory) and it does appear to be leather,
but it is a thin composite; meaning they've taken leather, ground it up,
then reformed it and layered it with a fiber backing and a polyurethane
coating; so it has some properties of leather, but i don't consider it a
high quality leather product; albeit the construction is reasonable
solid. However, this product will only be available for another couple
of weeks until it is sold out. It will be replaced (in 2 weeks time) by
a new medium size palm rest that is handmade in Japan of 100% genuine
leather (top and bottom); which will cost a bit more, but feels and
smells worth the money.

Best regards,.
Someone
EliteKeyboards
I dont for natural leather or not. The price going up and im out.

also so is it perfectly safe to pull keys out and put next ones in.
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 11:26:13 »
Quote from: jubrany;231937
lol.  I just got my 3star medium wrist rest today with a Filco Tenkeyless Linear Force NKRO in the mail from elitekeyboards.
...
I wish that the base of the pad had some sort of rubber feet or something, because the leather alone cannot keep the pad firmly planted.  It can slide around rather easily.  I suppose that it is not really an issue when you have your arms resting on it, but I digress.  Overall, I'm glad I got it because the Filco sits kind of high so typing without a rest can be uncomfortable.   Looks really classy on the desk.

this might be real problem since i game with wasd shift ctrl space i cant have the wrist rest running from me.
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 11:33:03 »
Quote from: ripster;237334
The cheaper non 3-star but still dead cow one has a nice sticky rubber pad.


you mean the filco available here:
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=634

also does the rift in the middle bother anyone? and will shipping cost a bunch since they are in london?
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 11:37:13 »
Quote from: ripster;237341
Yep, that one.  I have it but not the fancier one.


fancier one? also does the rift bother you?
Logged

Offline itlnstln

  • Posts: 7048
some hhkb questions
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 15:42:51 »
The HHKB keys are no more or less wobbly than the Realforce.
Logged

Offline ironman31

  • Posts: 834
some hhkb questions
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 16:13:56 »
The two level wrist pad isn't bad, but if it gets annoying you can just turn it around. Then you don't have to worry about the two layer feeling
Logged
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/AT,  Noppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)


Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 18:40:14 »
Quote from: ironman31;237488
The two level wrist pad isn't bad, but if it gets annoying you can just turn it around. Then you don't have to worry about the two layer feeling


what is the two levels for?
also does signature plastics make keycaps for the hhkb?
Logged

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 18:57:47 »
im leanin towards splurging on a 3-Star Medium.
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,palm_rests&pid=hm_prmb
there seems to be plenty of complaints towards the filco medium.
Logged

Offline dangerous

  • Posts: 7
some hhkb questions
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 19:42:49 »
Quote from: Rajagra;236762
To be fair on PFU, they did level the playing field. The media keys only worked on the Mac if they downloaded the driver. The driver is not available for current versions of MacOS. And the download link is broken anyway. Balance is restored!


I downloaded my driver from elitekeyboards ... works great with 10.6.4
Logged

Offline ironman31

  • Posts: 834
some hhkb questions
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 22 October 2010, 22:15:37 »
Quote from: v193r;237518
what is the two levels for?
also does signature plastics make keycaps for the hhkb?


I'm not sure what they intend them for, but I use it for different levels of keyboards. Some of mine feel better with the higher side closer to them, and others feel better with it away.
Logged
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/AT,  Noppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)


Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution

Offline v193r

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 73
some hhkb questions
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 03:56:52 »
do i have to take care of the leather occasionally? also will the leather cause my hand to sweat? some materials cause my hand to sweat like the mx518 plastic.
Logged

Offline aegrotatio

  • Posts: 334
some hhkb questions
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 23 October 2010, 22:15:16 »
Quote from: ripster;237605
The newer ones are not but should "weather to a natural patina".


I just threw up in my mouth.
Logged
Daily Drivers: Ducky DK1087XM || DSI ASK-6600 || Rosewill RK-9000 BL, BR, BL, and RE || ABS M1 || Das Keyboard Silent || HHKB Lite and Lite 2 || DSI Big Font (kids love it)
Yearning for: Any ALPS keyboard || Any tenkeyless mechanical keyboard
Permanent collection: Poker Blue and Brown || Adesso MKB-125B || SIIG MiniTouch Geek Hack Space Saver || Chicony 5181 Monterey Blue || Chicony 5191 Clone Cherry Blues || Key Tronic 3600 || Unicomp Endurapro & SmarTrex || A crate of IBM Model M and Model M Space Saving boards || NeXTstation Slab || Amiga 3000 || BTC-5100C black and beige || SIIG MiniTouch Plus black and beige
Retired collection: SIIG MiniTouch Monterey Blue || Razer BlackWidow
Pages:  [1]     Go Up
« previous next »