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Offline Avazee

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« on: Sun, 01 May 2011, 11:04:22 »
This is officially my first post, though I've been reading the boards on and off for a few months now.  I've been a user of Northgate's Omnikey keyboards since they first came out (I was like 13 years old) and fell in love w/them then.

I had no idea there was such a huge community of mechanical keyboard purists! Glad to be here.

A few questions if you all don't mind:

1) What is the general consensus of the Omnikey's (ALPS)? I am the proud owner of 3 of them (I don't know why I bought so many..) and love them dearly.  

2) A big feature, for me, of the Omnikey's is the rapid repeat rate (if I backspace on a line full of text, it removes the line real quickly.. faster than any other keyboard I've seen.  Do any of the newer keyboards have this feature?

3) I am looking for a keyboard for work, and instead of using one of my Omnikey's which tends to be loud, I want to get another one.  I've been doing some reading but I don't know which switch type to get.

I know I don't want the Cherry MX Blue's, and we have some Cherry POS (point-of-sale) keyboards at one of my shop's, which uses MX Brown's.. they are okay, but don't  feel as 'good' as my Omnikey.

How are the MX Red's, Black's and Clear's? Do any they offer any similarity (feeling-wise, not noise-wise) to the Omnikey's?

4) I've heard great things about the Topre's -- how do they compare against the MX's and the Omnikey?

I apologize for the many questions, but any help in any of these questions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 01 May 2011, 14:31:39 »
I think your only option is black alps then. Probably with dampened sliders from an Apple Extended Keyboard II. If you want similar feel, and quiet.

Edit: Actually, you could even buy just an AEKII, then put its dampers and tactile leaves into one of the omnikeys. Then the switch would be just tactile instead of tactile and clicky, and the clacks from bottoming and topping out would be mitigated. You'd have the familiar shape, similar feel, and exact same functionality. It will take a few hours to do the mod, but I think it'd be worth it. I'd just suggest to put the parts from the AEKII in strategic places, such as using the tactile leaves (maybe springs also, if the springs in your omnikey that you're doing this to are worn out) from its function row into the home row on the omnikey, the reverse, and etc. Doing it that way lets you buy the cheapest and crappiest looking one on ebay, since only about 50% of the keys need to be generally not worn out to get a good result.
« Last Edit: Sun, 01 May 2011, 15:09:30 by False_Dmitry_II »
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Offline elborak

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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 01 May 2011, 16:41:38 »
I'm from an almost identical background.  I've used Omnikey 101's almost exclusively since shortly after they were introduced.  I have two in steady use and one, with some issues, as a parts donor.  I even have two of them NIB sitting on my shelf that I purchased as backups just before Northgate switched over to the 101P; I was a beta tester for the 101P and found the switch to a larger ENTER key and rubber dome switches for a few keys (to accommodate LEDs) to be a serious downgrade.

Recently my company moved me to an "open pen" style office and I've been hunting for a suitable quieter alternative for the past couple of months.  Thus far, after trying Cherry browns, blues and Topres, I'm torn between the browns and the Topres.  Each have their advantages and disadvantages.

The Topres (I have a Realforce 101 and an 86U) are extremely high quality boards and have a nice feel to them.  I've been using the 86U for the past week.  The lighter touch keys on the variable force layout are a bit lighter than I'm used to, and even the 45g is a touch light.  I'd really love to try a 55g 87U.  My daughter is going to Japan to teach in July, so I may have her hunt one down for me.  Also the activation point is much higher in the key travel than I'm used to (I tend to bottom out a lot).  I like the soft landing on the Topre, but do occasionally find myself accidentally activating keys by resting my fingers too heavily on the home row or space bar.  Overall a reasonable substitute and will likely get better with more experience.  Plus I'm used to the Omnikey DIP switch settings to swap Ctrl/CapsLock and Alt/Ctrl, and the 86U has both of these; a huge bonus.  I've also become quite attached to the tenkeyless layout; I never use the numpad and appreciate the extra desk space.

I'll not go into the Cherry blue experience.  It wasn't bad, but as my goal was to reduce noise it was an obvious fail.

For the Cherry browns, I spent a week trying an Noppoo Choc Mini.  I must say I did like the feel of the switches and the board, but the sub-tenkeyless layout was too big a change for me to adjust to, so it never got a completely fair shake.  I'll be picking up a brown tenkeyless (likely Leopold but possibly Filco) in the next couple of weeks and give it a test drive.  I expect it to eclipse the Noppoo, simply due to the layout, but it will have an uphill battle displacing the Topre.

Hope this helps.

Offline Avazee

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 01 May 2011, 21:23:09 »
Thanks for the reply.  I'm leaning towards a Topre, but what's the main difference (real-world) between the regular and the 55g one?

Also, since you've experienced the Omnikey, could you tell me if the key repeat rate on any of the others matches the amazing speed of the Omnikey?

Lastly, how are the MX Blacks?  I have a Mionix Naos 5000 mouse, and it's easily the best mouse I've ever used.  They are coming out with a new keyboard, the Zibal 60, which looks great (and uses MX Black's).

Thanks..

Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 01 May 2011, 21:47:59 »
You know how if you push down on a spring compressing it, then it will push you back more and more? Yeah, that's what linear keys like MX black feel like. IF that doesn't bother you and if you can learn to not bottom out (meaning learning how to only press until the actuation point, then immediately letting go) with no feedback besides stuff showing up on the screen, they are completely silent.

If I were to ever get a topre (which I'm not) it wouldn't be the variable force one. It goes on the "conventional" wisdom that your pinkies are weaker and has lighter keys in those places. Since I don't type 100% the way people are supposed to, it would feel weird.

What I suggested seems like the best option for you though, because you have used that same keyboard for ages. Nothing will compare, just like how you disliked browns, which is one of the most popular types of switch there is. Clears just require more force and have a bigger bump than browns.
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Offline elborak

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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 01 May 2011, 22:35:25 »
Quote from: Avazee;340083
Also, since you've experienced the Omnikey, could you tell me if the key repeat rate on any of the others matches the amazing speed of the Omnikey?
I believe key repeat rate is programmable on any keyboard, so I really don't think this is something that should come into play.

Can't comment on the Cherry MX linears... I've yet to try them.  I did pick up a cheap used Cherry board with MX clears and they felt heavy to me (and this from a long-time ALPS complicated white user), but I was mainly picking up the board for the caps anyway, so no loss.

To clarify my earlier comments, I didn't mean to imply that the Topre was anything at all like the Omnikey.  They are very different.  But they both feel very solid and inspire confident typing, sort of like the classic HP calculator keys do.  My only complaint with the Realforce is the light activation force, hence my desire to try a 55g.  The 86U I have was modified by the prior owner to be uniform 45g in the main typing area by harvesting domes from the cursor keys, and that does help quite a bit (30-35g is featherweight when coming from an ALPS).  55g Realforce boards are easy to come by if you don't care about getting a tenkeyless; that's my dilemma.

I didn't try buckling springs as I was desiring a less noisy keyboard than the Omnikey, and I believe you're in the same position.
« Last Edit: Sun, 01 May 2011, 22:38:56 by elborak »

Offline Oqsy

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 02:43:02 »
Try cherry clears. Then type on an omnikey with earplugs in yr ears. Neat, huh? ;)
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Offline elborak

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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 10:03:42 »
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Try cherry clears. Then type on an omnikey with earplugs in yr ears. Neat, huh? ;)
Well, as I posted above I did try Cherry clears and didn't find them at all similar to my Omnikey ALPS.

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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 10:35:15 »
Did you do what I said?  Earplugs?  If not then you were tricked by the click. Happens to everyone, don't feel bad.

However, if you didn't try the test I suggested then what was the purpose in your reply?  

ALPS and Cherry have quite different actuation points, but the tactility and hysteresis of complicated white alps and cherry clears IS surprisingly similar. The click of the alps makes it seem like ALPS have a mote tactile response than clears. You can try to ignore it as much as you want, but your brain is smarter than you :D Remove the "click" by putting in earplugs or headphones with loud enough music playing to completely mask the "click".  No "click" and the tactility of the ALPS suddenly loses the snappy feeling.

So in response to the OP, I suggest that a similar, but quiet *switch* to be clear cherry MX. Now finding a board with a comparable fit/finish to an Omnikey will be the real challenge.
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Offline elborak

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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 12:41:03 »
Quote from: Oqsy;340345
Did you do what I said?  Earplugs?  If not then you were tricked by the click. Happens to everyone, don't feel bad.

However, if you didn't try the test I suggested then what was the purpose in your reply?
No, I didn't use earplugs.  But in the context of our data lab, where you must shout to be heard over the fans and A/C, it really wasn't necessary.

We disagree.  It happens.

Offline elef

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 14:24:26 »
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2) A big feature, for me, of the Omnikey's is the rapid repeat rate (if I backspace on a line full of text, it removes the line real quickly.. faster than any other keyboard I've seen.  Do any of the newer keyboards have this feature?

You can strike this one off from your list. This is done in the OS, not the keyboard.

Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 14:56:18 »
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You can strike this one off from your list. This is done in the OS, not the keyboard.

 
It depends by both keyboard and OS exactly as happen with mice.
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Offline elef

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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 15:41:12 »
I guess you learn a new bit of useless trivia every day... I guess it's a nice feature if you are really really keen on getting your repeat rate just right. I can't say I ever cared.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 15:41:38 »
Quote from: elef;340497
You can strike this one off from your list. This is done in the OS, not the keyboard.

 
In a PS/2 keyboard, the keyboard does repetition, with some possible choices.
In a USB keyboard, snapshots of key states are sent, so the OS does "soft" repetition and is therefore configurable.

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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 15:52:36 »
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Woody - are you saying you have one and that's how it behaves or is this a more "in theory" statement.  At least with me once I start arguing I want to get to the bottom of it.
Have one .. what? Sorry, kinda lost or too tired.
If you mean the PS/2 vs USB - that's how they work, at least in the default HID mode. Keyboard events vs key states. AFAIR.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 15:58:37 »
No, don't have one.
But from the OP it sounds it's old enough to be PS/2, so it's free to go at custom faster speeds.

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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 16:15:59 »
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Good response.  When proven wrong I generally post that I never really cared what the right answer is.

When I'm right about some trifle I always make it look like I'm winning some major argument.
The "I never really cared" comment obviously referred to not caring much about my repeat rate.

Offline Avazee

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 18:27:55 »
Thanks for all the comments.  A few more questions:

1) What is the general consensus of the Omnikey's around here? A few of you have mentioned the great build quality.. are they known as one of the top keyboards still? I don't really see many people here using them actively, based on what I've read.

2) As far as the fast repeat rate, if I have Windows's keyboard repeat rate set to, say, 50%, on a non-Omnikey keyboard, it repeats at, for example, 10 characters/second. NOTE: This is not a real stat, I just threw a number out there.

However, if I have the same setting and use the Omnikey, the repeat rate is now at 40-50 characters/second.

2) I think I'm leaning towards the Topre Realforce's.. just because it's something 'different' that what I've used in the past.  Coming from an Omnikey, would you go with the 55g one or the variable one? I've read that the Omnikey is a 60-70g force.

Thanks.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 18:37:58 »
Hehe, thanks for the diagram.  Now I'm scared to purchase a Topre.  To tell you the truth, I've never really fully used any other mechanical keyboard other than the Omnikey, so for all I know, I could be 'upgrading' from an Omnikey with the choice I end up making.

Let me ask you- what is the closest switch (purely on feel and sound) that resembles the junky $5 keyboards that come with all desktop PCs?

Offline Avazee

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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 18:54:14 »
I don't like the buckling spring (Model M) -- way too clicky, tactile and loud.

Are you saying that the Topre Realforce's compare to the keyboards at Best Buy?

Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 20:28:16 »
Funny you should mention. Mr Northgate apparently thinks white and blue alps are identical. I am amazed that someone who likes those that crazy much doesn't know the boards upside down inside out and backwards.

I don't think anything resembles rubber domes.
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Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 20:31:03 »
They are close. With one difference that he's telling me isn't a thing.
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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 02 May 2011, 21:08:52 »
Heh. I actually had to look that one up.
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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 01:15:35 »
He was very kind and generous in my dealings with him (as a paying customer).  I bought a part or two for my Omnikey from him a while back, no complaints.

Yes, Northgate boards are known for being sturdy, tough, quality keyboards. If you can find one in good shape, it will serve you well.

IBM buckling spring boards are similar in that respect, if perhaps slightly more idiosyncratic. (order of magnitude more produced, so flaws are likely just a function of larger volumes). Cherry Corp boards are very hit/miss. I have an MX11900(Germany) that is very nice, and a G80-3000(Czech) with a PCB that was actually sliding around loose in the case because the design had no method of securing it inside the case besides the case "tabs" along the top edge. Weak.

I don't know enough about keyboards in production to suggest anything on par with Northgate for build quality.
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 03:02:04 »
I have a Filco with White Fukkas.  Very close to an omnikey but also clicky.  Buckling spring is very nice but clicky...
 
I am not sure about Cherrys if they can come even close.  However Clears and Blues are on my list and The blue switches will be in a Filco Tenkeyless and the build quality is really nice but the keys are not as nice as on the omnikey...  However overall I like the whole package better and would not trade my Filco for an omnikey...
 
I am not sure which board I will try clears with...  The one closest to a Filco...
 
I tried the cherry blacks and did not like at all...
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Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 12:18:09 »
@Oqsy

Hence the soup nazi analogy. If you do things he expects to happen and follow instructions on his website, then I'm sure it's fine to deal with him.

But as soon as you do anything else... not so much. He has managed to mishear almost everything I say, and then still says that there is no difference even after taking his own pictures that confirm the proof (from the blue alps collector's arn't crazy wiki) that I sent him that there is a difference. Along with a few other things. Quite likely, there will be no soup for me. At this point I'll simply settle for making him cognizant that there is, in fact, a difference and what it is.

Just how much better are even the white alps omnikeys from other white alps boards?
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Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 12:26:58 »
I didn't show him the wiki. I just showed him the two relevant pictures. As long as he doesn't know what the ripster watermark is then its fine. If he knows what it is, then he's already seen some amount of the site.

I just hit stop on the browser before the midi loaded.
« Last Edit: Tue, 03 May 2011, 12:30:24 by False_Dmitry_II »
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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 14:11:01 »
I don't know that soup Nazi is fair. The guy's website is connected to a couple of other sites that appear to be businesses of his(construction related I think, it's been a while), and my impression has always been that this is an after hours part time hobby, and that it's such a small niche (Northgate repair?  Wow that's specific) that there isn't really enough business to motivate him to care one way or another. If it were lucrative enough to take over as his primary business then maybe he'd be in it for the money, but for now my take is that he is a gadget tinkerer that will do a limited list of services in his part time when his schedule allows, and isnt going to sink a lot of time or energy into keyboard fanbois.  Expecting Elitekeyboards level service is a bit unrealistic.  

If you know the situation you're dealing with, then why expect it to become something different just because you WANT it to be. I'm sure whether he knows the difference in blue and white alps or not, he doesn't care that there is one. He replaces broken switches with working ones. Force diagrams and wiki links be damned, the switch is fully functional when he is done with it.

If you are worried about keeping your blue sliders separate from the white ones, then probably best you do your own repairs, and if you believe there is a market you can compete with him for, start yr own ALPS Repair site.

I don't take my car to the VW dealership expecting Audi level service.
« Last Edit: Tue, 03 May 2011, 14:13:54 by Oqsy »
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Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 14:57:13 »
I started with a simple question. Fully functional white alps omnikey keyboard to trade + how much cash = blue alps omnikey keyboard.

He then says wtf, why in the world would you want to do that? That would cost $500+ and I don't even think I have that many blue switches to replace every single switch on the board. Besides, they are identical. Those asian collectors are crazy.

Like I said. I wasn't following expectations at all. I didn't follow anything on the site. All I did was ask a question. One that, if it resulted in anything, SHOULD involve absolutely zero effort of any kind other than sticking a keyboard in a box. He has misunderstood the question every single time, no matter how I pose it. Soup nazi is an exactly perfect example. So absolutely everything that you have said is way off base and ridiculous.
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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 03 May 2011, 16:20:42 »
What?
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 03:44:17 »
Quote from: ripster;341101
It's like a flashback visiting his website.

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IBM Model M (Buckling Spring)
Northgate (White Alps)
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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 08:07:13 »
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Altavista.   that is a blast from the past...

 
I've never understood why people where used to Altavista.

You searched for a, say, datasheet, and the first three results where porn sites, then a bunch of pointless/unrelated technical infos, then (maybe) a good result.

At the time I was used to use northenlight, which was working more like google works today.
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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 08:56:32 »
Sorry for those who think ALPS are all the same, they are far from it.  I have some that are barely typable and others that make Topres and Cherry reds fall to their knees and reevaluate their own existence.

In my experience the best are early Blue and White complicates and some Fukkas if the caps and board are right.  Not all Blues are perfect and only some whites are.  The cutoff year is said to be around 1992 but I have two late 80's boards where one has the sweet ALPS and one doesn't.  I believe the difference comes from the shape, angle, length of the two tangs on the click leaf.  There are other factors but they seem to be the most significant and affects the tactile bump and feel of the switches more than any other (assuming they are clean)

The leaf on the left has the right tangs on it (I don't know what to call them) the one on the right is the more common early complicated leaf that is nice but not in the same realm as those on the left.



As for Northgates, No keyboard ever made had so many features.  They were the only PC manufacturing company that chose it's keyboard as it's standout means to differentiate itself from the others.  Northgate made the best keyboard out there and for some years it was the #1 selling keyboard in the US.  
Not only is the scan rate fast, it's programmable! (some versions) and you can store it in the flash onboard.  You can program scan and repeat rates, key mappings and other changes into the keyboard's hardware so when you unplug it to carry to work or get a new PC, none of your settings are lost.  The backplates of Northgates could be used as tank armor.  Detachable cords.  Doubleshot key caps.  Control key where it should be, but is swappable with capslock if you wish.  They came with dust covers and key pullers and spare key caps for swaps and Dvorak in some cases.  The only keyboard that ever approaches their build quality are early IBMs, but they did less "stuff".

This early 90's Northgate Ultra Plus was saved from a recycle heap.  It is a no-trapdoor 8 dip switch model that has the omnikey cluster, PS2 AND ADB on the back and is compatible with Amiga.  It has it's own reset button too.  These aren't blues, they are whites but I've never felt ALPS superior to this keyboard.  But I have tried other similar boards that felt different.



This 1988 Metal Gold Label 102 has Blue ALPS


The only issues with Northgates are that they tend to yellow with age and if ALPS are dirty or abused they don't feel as good as a cherry or buckling spring board that is dirty or abused.  Handy that a dust cover comes with the keyboard.

Say what you will about Northgate Bob but this is how keyboards arrive from him and he takes returns if you are unsatisfied.  I got an Ultra Plus from him that was a real banana once I got it and he offered to take it back but I kept it.


To the OP, the dampened ALPS in SGI's and Apple AEKII's are wonderful switches if you get good clean ones that have been cared for properly.  I did a swap of them into a SIIG Minitouch so I could have a quiet ALPS board at work and love it.  I also did a Blue ALPS swap into another Minitouch but it's too noisy for the cube farm where even Cherry Browns push the limits for being too noisy.

Another commonly overlooked ALPS board that is sweet is the original Apple Extended M0115 with it's Orange ALPS and those awesome key caps that make a thocky chalky sound when you type.  Hard to explain but was worth a try.  You'd need an ADB to USB converter to use the board on a modern system as they were all ADB.

ALPS have their pros and cons but Northgates stand head and shoulders above anything made today in build quality and only IBM rivaled them back in the day.

IBM F :: IBM M :: Northgate :: Cherry G80 :: Realforce :: DAS 4

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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 10:40:28 »


Weird placement of tick/tilde.

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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 04 May 2011, 11:10:20 »
I would say that they yellow with sunlight, not age, but yea otherwise good post. I have 3 space invader boards, and only one of them is yellow. There are parts of it on the top which aren't yellow. I can easily line these parts up with the shadows from a flashlight.

What do you think about the feel difference between your white and blue didjamatic?
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