Author Topic: Street Fighter 4 (Read 8644 times)

PlayerZero · « **on:** Thu, 07 July 2011, 21:35:59 »

Hello all,
I'm a casual gamer, and I tend to switch between games a lot. Originally I played RuneScape. (ahh, the good ol' days, I now know that coal+iron=steel), then WoW for a while, a bit of Minecraft, more WoW, then my friend got me into Starcraft 2, which I've been playing since February or so. I just got TF2 when it became free, and enjoy that, but still play some SC2. Anyway, I heard about Street Fighter 4 because it is also a big, somewhat competitive game, like SC2. So, I've been considering purchasing it, even though I've never played fighter games (But hell, I didn't know what an RTS was when I started SC2). So, to all you SF4 fans out there, should I go for it? Is it fun for mostly casual play? It will be on PC; I can get it on sale from Steam. Is Super Street Fighter 4 worth the extra money, or is the normal version better? Lastly, will I have to buy an arcade stick thing or something else to play; or does the keyboard work?

Thanks in advance everyone!

Tohveli · « **Reply #1 on:** Thu, 07 July 2011, 23:45:28 »

Hello!
I can't tell you much about street fighter IV but I can tell you that there's an arcade edition coming out today which you should look at more since it involves more characters and more online capabilities. I heard that if you have street fighter IV and want to buy arcade edition you get a 10 % discount. So I would buy the arcade edition instead. If you are eager to compete a bit more seriously then I would recommend getting a arcade stick. Some people though like the controller more so it's up to you. If you for example have a controller, try it out and if you don't like it buy an arcade stick. I've never liked to play SF with a keyboard but it is also possible. If you don't take the game too seriously I think you'll enjoy it. It's like the starcraft of fighting games, if you play online without having played it alot before you might get your ass handed to you a few times

PlayerZero · « **Reply #2 on:** Fri, 08 July 2011, 10:20:28 »

Thanks! I don't have a controller, so it would be with a keyboard at first, but I might get an arcade stick if I don't like the keyboard, as you said.

Still hoping for some more info

Hydroid · « **Reply #3 on:** Sun, 10 July 2011, 08:58:43 »

I bought into the SF4 steam sale and now regret the $15. The game itself is epic and hard (read: requires skill like SC2 which makes improvement rewarding) but the stupid Games for Windows Live crap they tie into the game always gives problems. I have never had a game that uses GFWL that hasn't given me non-stop issues. This one I can't even login to Live because first GFWL was causing the game to crash on boot, and then when I updated GFWL manually it now doesn't even start when the game starts so I can play against the AI offline, but can't login to GFWL. I never really played many fighting games, but I'd always heard of Street Fighter so when I saw the sale I just bought on impulse and its one of the few impulse game buys that I've really regretted.

PlayerZero · « **Reply #4 on:** Sun, 10 July 2011, 13:24:31 »

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I bought into the SF4 steam sale and now regret the $15. The game itself is epic and hard (read: requires skill like SC2 which makes improvement rewarding) but the stupid Games for Windows Live crap they tie into the game always gives problems. I have never had a game that uses GFWL that hasn't given me non-stop issues. This one I can't even login to Live because first GFWL was causing the game to crash on boot, and then when I updated GFWL manually it now doesn't even start when the game starts so I can play against the AI offline, but can't login to GFWL. I never really played many fighting games, but I'd always heard of Street Fighter so when I saw the sale I just bought on impulse and its one of the few impulse game buys that I've really regretted.

Hmmmm... I've never played fighting games either, but I'm still thinking I'll probably go for it. It seems that it works for most people, so hopefully it will work for me... But thanks for the input.

audioave10 · « **Reply #5 on:** Sun, 10 July 2011, 13:35:54 »

How MicroShaft can screw-up GFWL and games in general is a puzzle to me. You should eventually get it to work.

PlayerZero · « **Reply #6 on:** Sun, 10 July 2011, 21:44:11 »

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How MicroShaft can screw-up GFWL and games in general is a puzzle to me. You should eventually get it to work.

Cool. Have you actually played Street Fighter 4? If so how do you like it?

Chobopants · « **Reply #7 on:** Mon, 11 July 2011, 14:05:48 »

I play SF4 pretty casually with my friends. I used to be a SF3 tournament player so I have a decent level of skill. My recommendation would be: if there isn't anyone in your area that you can hang out with and play, don't get the game.

SF is a social game and is meant to be played in the same room with your friends. As long as you have 1-3 friends that you can hang out with and play you'll have a blast. The skill escalation and mind games that go on when you play with the same group of people for a long time is the reason I play SF.

If you're just going to be playing the game online, especially if you want to play casually, I would recommend against it and should get into StarCraft or some other game with a better online community.

PlayerZero · « **Reply #8 on:** Mon, 11 July 2011, 17:06:19 »

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I play SF4 pretty casually with my friends. I used to be a SF3 tournament player so I have a decent level of skill. My recommendation would be: if there isn't anyone in your area that you can hang out with and play, don't get the game.

SF is a social game and is meant to be played in the same room with your friends. As long as you have 1-3 friends that you can hang out with and play you'll have a blast. The skill escalation and mind games that go on when you play with the same group of people for a long time is the reason I play SF.

If you're just going to be playing the game online, especially if you want to play casually, I would recommend against it and should get into StarCraft or some other game with a better online community.

Thanks! I already have been playing Starcraft 2 for a while, and it is a lot of fun to play with friends, but SF looked like a fun new game to try out. Anyway, I already bought it on Steam (downloading now) so I'll just have to convince my friends to get it too. There's plenty of gamers at my school... (mostly asian starcraft players tho lol.)
Also, is SF best with an arcade stick, or does it work with keyboard?

ekw808 · « **Reply #9 on:** Mon, 11 July 2011, 19:44:20 »

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Hmmmm... I've never played fighting games either, but I'm still thinking I'll probably go for it. It seems that it works for most people, so hopefully it will work for me... But thanks for the input.

The learning curve for street fighter isnt exactly easy, I've played street fighter games in the past, learned how to spam hadoken, but never learned how to shoryuken until i purchase sf4, let me tell you, I've logged COUNTLESS hours into that game learning the various combos, and this is BEFORE I tried the online play which is even harder because you have to learn about all the different matchups, even though its only high block, low block, it gets really tough. So if you plan on gettin competitive with it be ready to devote some time into it! Learning to play on the arcade stick is another learning curve....its pretty tough and if you do plan on playing it you should buy the stick, and never try anything else lol (if you want to be competitive) switching from controller to keypad is pretty brutal. SF4 is only fun with friends if they are all around the same level, my friends wont play with me anymore........they say my chunli is too annoying.

~Blood~ · « **Reply #10 on:** Tue, 12 July 2011, 07:10:09 »

street fighter is not a good casual game imo..

first, you need rather expensive equipment aka arcade stick, secondly, it is not as much 'fun' as other games - it requires dedication too, you are not automatically driven by things like greed (wow...) or anything.

digitalleftovers · « **Reply #11 on:** Tue, 12 July 2011, 16:52:34 »

street fighter 4 is impossible without a stick, unless you only play against other people without sticks. To make an upward-left swipe for a combo, you should just move your stick from 6'oclock to 9. The key combo equivalent is down + (down + left) + left. This complexity does not make the game much fun. = (.

Chobopants · « **Reply #12 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 06:56:29 »

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street fighter 4 is impossible without a stick, unless you only play against other people without sticks. To make an upward-left swipe for a combo, you should just move your stick from 6'oclock to 9. The key combo equivalent is down + (down + left) + left. This complexity does not make the game much fun. = (.

This is 100% untrue by the way. Some of the top emerging players today play on pads. Also I find the complexity part of the fun.

500_pts · « **Reply #13 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 07:20:41 »

Pretty much what everyone else has said. If you are commited to learning the game and investing the time, it can be a very rewarding game, but at the same time, at least online, the casual player will suffer a fair amount of beatdown. I tend to reccomend Guilty Gear, but thats just because i like the art

PlayerZero · « **Reply #14 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 08:31:50 »

Thanks all. Haven't tried the game yet, but will today. I'll post about how I like it.

ekw808 · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 12:02:38 »

I would recommend MVC3 for an easier game, almost everything combos and barely requires any buffering

PlayerZero · « **Reply #16 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 15:53:02 »

Ok, I have come across an extremely dumb and nooby issue in SSF4AE for PC. I launch the game, and it plays the intro, then goes to a start screen with the logo and flashing text saying "Press start to continue." After a few seconds it shows a random fight, then plays the intro again, and so on... So, considering that keyboards don't have a start button, how to I start?

digitalleftovers · « **Reply #17 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 15:57:23 »

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Ok, I have come across an extremely dumb and nooby issue in SSF4AE for PC. I launch the game, and it plays the intro, then goes to a start screen with the logo and flashing text saying "Press start to continue." After a few seconds it shows a random fight, then plays the intro again, and so on... So, considering that keyboards don't have a start button, how to I start?

you should just be able to press enter with 'start' highlighted by default. I'm colorblind, but even so, I don't believe the highlight color would be highly visible for anyone.

PlayerZero · « **Reply #18 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 16:08:43 »

Nope. Didn't work. I'm not sure what you mean by highlight though.
Also, is there a way to skip the intro?

digitalleftovers · « **Reply #19 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 16:21:02 »

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Nope. Didn't work. I'm not sure what you mean by highlight though.
Also, is there a way to skip the intro?

my start screen has start, options, and exit. theres like a faint bloodstain across the highlighted option. I have the steam version, however, so I'm not sure how helpful that is to you.

PlayerZero · « **Reply #20 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 16:21:45 »

Do you have Arcade edition? Because all I see is the "Press Start" text. I do have the steam version

digitalleftovers · « **Reply #21 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 19:13:09 »

Oh? I don't think I do have the arcade edition. IF the arcade edition is gamepad only, that would be extremely frustrating. Even if it were, there must be a config file somewhere.

PlayerZero · « **Reply #22 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 19:23:16 »

I actually found a post about this on the Shoryuken forums. The game doesn't recognize my board because it's wireless. I'm going to get out an old USB board to use tomorrow. Apparently it is a known issue, and Capcom is supposed to release an update to fix it soon. It says by or on July 11, which obviously has passed; I also posted on Shoryuken, and they said the problem is present. Thanks everyone!

500_pts · « **Reply #23 on:** Wed, 13 July 2011, 21:19:19 »

your sig is telling, go get something off ebay bare minimum, i might even send you a model m i feel so bad

PlayerZero · « **Reply #24 on:** Thu, 14 July 2011, 20:16:48 »

xmrxkrazy · « **Reply #25 on:** Mon, 18 July 2011, 03:23:10 »

You should just stick to Starcraft 2. Street Fighter is one HELL of a game to get good at. Also, if you're looking for a casual game, get Team Fortress 2. It's fun, especially with friends.

500_pts · « **Reply #26 on:** Mon, 18 July 2011, 07:44:40 »

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You should just stick to Starcraft 2. Street Fighter is one HELL of a game to get good at. Also, if you're looking for a casual game, get Team Fortress 2. It's fun, especially with friends.

And thus marked the end of competetive pc games

PlayerZero · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue, 19 July 2011, 06:57:21 »

Chobopants · « **Reply #28 on:** Tue, 19 July 2011, 08:22:55 »

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And thus marked the end of competetive pc games

SC2 is HUGE right now. Has the potential to be bigger than CS even ever was. I actually think the scene is getting bigger and stronger with way more support than before.

xmrxkrazy · « **Reply #29 on:** Tue, 19 July 2011, 19:29:50 »

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SC2 is HUGE right now. Has the potential to be bigger than CS even ever was. I actually think the scene is getting bigger and stronger with way more support than before.

Yup. SC1 was a Korean E-Sport. And with the release of SC2, the ability for pros to switch from SC1 and WC3 quite easily has accelerated the popularity of SC2. The pros who've retired were able to unretire (SlayerSBoxeR!). And even nonames who have placed themselves high in the ladder of grandmasters can become pros.

PlayerZero · « **Reply #30 on:** Wed, 20 July 2011, 07:13:14 »

I've played SC2 for a while now; it's fun, and the pro scene is great.

500_pts · « **Reply #31 on:** Thu, 21 July 2011, 18:41:57 »

Well, with the exception of starcraft, which is practically korea's national sport, the entire idea of competitive games is rolling downhill. The last game i played seriously was tf2, played cevo-p for a good while, and then it all hit. Things like call of duty are rapidly dragging down the average skill level, as well as general interest from gamers. Games like that tend to lean towards casual play where you can pick up the game, put it down in 15 minutes and walk away, but they are extremely fast paced and hold your hand through it. Then there is the whole subscribe if you want model, where they throw in premium features, hats, alt skins, you name it. Games like LoL and the artist formerly known as Tf2 are rather shameful compared to the originals (dota. real tf2. etc...) On top of this, most games are directly aimed at the console market, then ported to the pc. I dont know if you played the pc demo of crysis 2, but god it was awful. Straight away, the title screen said "press start to begin" the devs didnt even bother to change it. Digging deeper there were options like "aim assist" available (stock setting is ON) that really make things look bad. Maybe im just a horrible cynic, but the classic pc gaming market is on its deathbed, which is only going to be accelerated by massive titles like TES 5 where many of the game play mechanics are designed around consoles, and i have no clue how they are going to be implemented naturally on the pc. One thing is for sure now, a headshot aint what it used to be, everything is just too damn easy.

xmrxkrazy · « **Reply #32 on:** Thu, 21 July 2011, 19:18:00 »

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Well, with the exception of starcraft, which is practically korea's national sport, the entire idea of competitive games is rolling downhill. The last game i played seriously was tf2, played cevo-p for a good while, and then it all hit. Things like call of duty are rapidly dragging down the average skill level, as well as general interest from gamers. Games like that tend to lean towards casual play where you can pick up the game, put it down in 15 minutes and walk away, but they are extremely fast paced and hold your hand through it. Then there is the whole subscribe if you want model, where they throw in premium features, hats, alt skins, you name it. Games like LoL and the artist formerly known as Tf2 are rather shameful compared to the originals (dota. real tf2. etc...) On top of this, most games are directly aimed at the console market, then ported to the pc. I dont know if you played the pc demo of crysis 2, but god it was awful. Straight away, the title screen said "press start to begin" the devs didnt even bother to change it. Digging deeper there were options like "aim assist" available (stock setting is ON) that really make things look bad. Maybe im just a horrible cynic, but the classic pc gaming market is on its deathbed, which is only going to be accelerated by massive titles like TES 5 where many of the game play mechanics are designed around consoles, and i have no clue how they are going to be implemented naturally on the pc. One thing is for sure now, a headshot aint what it used to be, everything is just too damn easy.

I agree entirely. I played Counter-Strike semi-competitively (in the 00's) and that was probably at the zenith of competitive PC gaming. Big teams like Complexity, SK-Gaming, Fnatic invested heavily in their Counter-Strike team. Nowadays, such companies are very broad ranged and games are all about "getting right into the game." SC2 is the only PC game that currently requires a steep learning curve (Thank God) while noobs infest the rest of the pc gaming community. I'm really hoping that DOTA 2 sticks to its roots and resparks competitive PC gaming.

500_pts · « **Reply #33 on:** Thu, 21 July 2011, 19:26:51 »

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I'm really hoping that DOTA 2 sticks to its roots and resparks competitive PC gaming.

spoilers: it wont

HoN was my last bastion of hope, but it too succumbed after the release of the store

Edit: i also played cs competetively, along with bf42, dota, bf2, q2ctf, q3 just to name a few

im just saying that tf2 was the last well done competetive game, and was defeated by this horrifying trend

xmrxkrazy · « **Reply #34 on:** Thu, 21 July 2011, 21:04:35 »

how do you know? are you a developer?!? can you give me a beta key? :]
all things aside, I too feel that nowadays game companies compare success of the game based on short-term sales because they can whip out another POS (not point of sale) expansion or an entirely different game just as quickly. Also because us as the end users don't really boycott games, it gives them all the more reason to exploit us. And now that Valve has taken over the Defense of the Ancients, it MIGHT be the end of DOTA entirely.

IceFrog, if you are listening, don't make skins.

Chobopants · « **Reply #35 on:** Thu, 21 July 2011, 21:23:37 »

Ok, I was with you guys until you started complaining about skins. Really? Cosmetic mods that have been around since ****ing doom 1 make a game ****? You guys whine just as much as as the console kids when it comes to pc games.

I AM a game developer and I was a former semi pro pc gamer (played on fatal1ty's q2 scrim team and high level wc3) and currently play on a very popular SC2 league (afterhoursgaming.tv) and you guys whine too much.

Last I checked the hon store was ONLY cosmetic. Seriously, chill. Competitive PC gaming is on an upswing and whining only brings it down. Support the good games that are out there and stop lamenting about the good old days. They're not coming back and all we can do is work to make the future better.

Trust me, I miss quake 2/3 and CS 1.6 as much as the next guy but their day is over. Work for the future.

xmrxkrazy · « **Reply #36 on:** Thu, 21 July 2011, 21:43:51 »

Skins used to be free.. even if they were developer made. It was their gratitude that we bought & supported the game. Now game developers expect us to buy every little bit of any idea they put into a game. In TF2, you randomly get these crates. How do you unlock these crates might you ask? Well you have to buy a key from the TF2 store.. for the great price of $2.50. I wonder when WoW is going to implement this system. Killed Deathwing? Nice job!! Now you're just gonna have to pay $2.50 to see what loot he has dropped.Wanna grab the loot? sure. You can grab any item for the great price of .99 a piece. Yay microtransactions!!

PlayerZero · « **Reply #37 on:** Fri, 22 July 2011, 06:57:36 »

I don't agree that competitive gaming is going downhill; the success of Starcraft 2 counts for something IMO. It also shows that in game stores aren't necessary to make a one-time pay game a big source of revenue. I do agree that paying for more stuff after you buy the game is a terrible idea. Tons of games are competitive. They're a competition to see which loser has the most money to waste on the game.

500_pts · « **Reply #38 on:** Wed, 27 July 2011, 08:26:11 »

Yeah chobo, i tend to agree with you. Its not really the subject matter that im upset about. skins and whatever are all fun and good, but its just the lack of general competetiveness that has been making me so upset. It just feels like most devs are aiming for a lower common denominator. They are doing more for the market share to include casuals than to cater to the upper end competetive play. Games just give off an air of, i dont know, it just feels like everyone cares slightly less. Im still going to play the hell out of the good games, as well as the competetive ones, but its going to be a different environment that im going to have to learn to love. Fast paced, and lasts 15 minutes. Like a saturday night at my place. Im willing to forgive and forget in almost all cases, but i swear to god if skyrim is going where i think its going, there will be hell to pay. or ill just go play mechwarrior :X

edit: and yes, i think sc2 is the healthiest thing for comp gaming ive seen in a while. It is sparking interest in casuals, and pros are doing great things for the community. People like day[9] etc are really bumping it well. Ive made sc2 converts of people who never even played games casually or competetively.

edit: also nice to see another m*******

2084 · « **Reply #39 on:** Thu, 28 July 2011, 09:31:10 »

League of Legends is pretty healthy as well and the best price model I have yet to see. And it's working out for all sides. Free to play and only skins are buyable with money. If you're too cheap for that, you can use custom playermade skins for free.
The finals at Dreamhack had over 200k constant stream viewers.

I just began playing Street Fighter IV AE a few weeks ago, but I have to say that the pro gameplay looks as close to playing an instrument as any other game I've seen. I played SC2 up to Diamond league but Street Fighter's learning curve if far far steeper in my opinion.

Chobopants · « **Reply #40 on:** Tue, 02 August 2011, 11:00:36 »

@PlayerZero - I have to disagree with you. Microtransactions are a great boon to the game industry and a way to support developers constantly adding content to the game and extending its life. As long as balance changing purchases are kept out of competitive play I see no problems with it. Think of it as buying expansion packs in small chunks and delivered instantly online.

As a game developer I fully support this new world. No longer are we tied to 18+ month dev cycles to barely make enough money to pay our dev costs to the publisher and just make enough money to secure another contract. If you knew anything about the history of developer/publisher relations in the game industry you'd know that it's arguably worse than some of the more insidious writer/publisher relations in the literary world.

@500_pts - Man, Mechwarrior...miss those games. Specifically 2 and Mercenaries. I even had 1, though. Now that was a silly game.

If you only look at the big names of course it's going to feel like people care less. Those are big soulless entities pumping out garbage for ****ty consoles and then half-assedly porting them to the PC just to make a few more bucks. You really have to look to the more interesting parts of the game world for cool stuff. I don't really have the time to get into it but if you look at what people are doing stuff like Dwarf Fortress, Terraria, and Minecraft there is a whole world of interesting possibilities that is still being explored. You just need to ignore the Halos and CoDs of the out there.

(and yes, Skyrim will likely be incredibly disappointing. Daggerfall is one of my favorite games ever, loved Morrowind...played about 4 hours of Oblivion and shut it off in disgust)

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