small mechanical keyboard with german or "germanesque" layout

[Erwins_Cat]

hi folks,

i'm looking for a mechanical keyboard with proper button layout. As you can expect from the subject i'm looking for one with äöü-keys, real physical ones or like EurKey with Alt+aou.
However, i've written my entire life on keyboards with these big, manly Enter-keys (every ISO-layout?) and i just can't handle small ones like the US-layout, since i don't simply press this key - nope - i'm smashing the §$%& out of it. I know, it's a bad habit but i can't stop it. It feels like a small relief everytime i bash it.
My next concern is the size. I'm using a 84-key keyboard right now. Technically, i don't care about the size, but i do care about the position of the F-keys. They should be directly above the number-keys without any space. Why is this so important? I'm using macros for different stuff and i'm writing alot of scientific stuff, mainly Latex. I know, there is the Neo-layout which includes scientific symbols etc. To be honest: it's pointless from my point of view since you have to hard code greek letters etc (e.g. \alpha \beta \gamma etc.) otherwise the formatting of mathematical formulas does not fit.

Long story short: I'm looking for a keyboard like Noppoo Choc Mini but with with germanesque layout or any 84-key style keyboard where i could use EurKey properly.
I really searched for a keyboard like this, but it seems i have to high standards ...

Edit: Apparently, EurKey only exists for US-layouts. Is there an alternative for Iso-layouts?

[dorkvader]

I don't know about eurkey, but most ISO layouts sholud have an AltGr (AltGraph) key, which is used for some complicated ISO things I can't wrap my ANSI head around.

The main difference with the ISO and ANSI enter keys is that the ISO one is "vertical" and the ansi one is "horizontal". There do exist some keyborads (mainly made in taiwan/asia as far as I know) that have it both ways. The Steelseries 6GV2 is a good example. This is often called "Bigass" enter keys, and they are larger than both ISO and ANSI.

I don't know of that many modern small keyboards that offer ISO as an option. Most large keyboard manufacturers don't go smaller than 87 keys, so their ANSI and ISO versions will have the F# keys an extra space farther away.

One thing you can consider are the terminal model F's. They have a vertical enter key, and ten (I think) keys to the left of the main block, for easy reach for macros. unfortunately, they are usually 122-keys. The tenkeyless version ("space unsaver") is somewhat uncommon, and you still need a teensy to make them work right with a computer (I believe)

You'll have to look up smaller format vintage keyboards I think.

Check out the Ortek SMK84, which comes in ISO I believe.

Looks like the KPT84 was also made in ISO, though I've no idea where you'll find one. (Is it the same as the ortek? I'm not very good with ALPS 'boards)

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