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fossala

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Type S or normal HHKB?
« on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 02:05:14 »
I have decided when I get my refund to just import a HHKB as I miss my old one. The price difference will be 90gbp between the 2 models. Is it worth it?
Are they really only 2000 made?
EDIT: Does the keyfeel change at all?
« Last Edit: Fri, 17 February 2012, 02:37:24 by fossala »

Offline sordna

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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 02:52:13 »
Both are overpriced IMO, such expensive keyboards should really be programmable. So you're getting a new HHKB and a Kinesis Advantage LF ?
Kinesis Contoured Advantage & Advantage2 LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Advantage2, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, IBM SSK (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

fossala

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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 03:04:50 »
I am getting a LF in June when a friend come back from US. I like both a lot, they are very different boards. My problem with the kinesis is that I cannot chill and type, you have to be full seated position. By having both I will have a chilling board, and a board to write long papers on.

Offline sordna

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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 03:09:39 »
Well, to chill you can take it on your lap but I see your point. I have a Poker, which for example is much easier to use one handed.
Kinesis Contoured Advantage & Advantage2 LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Advantage2, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, IBM SSK (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

fossala

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 03:11:58 »
I prefer the feel of topre over cherry. The kinesis is the best board for comfort so I believe both have a place.
I had a poker and I found it to be flimsy and poorly built, have you ever used a HHKB?

Offline cactux

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 03:13:23 »
IMHO the S version do not justify the high price. I will stay with the hhkb pro 2
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Offline sordna

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 03:28:34 »
No, never touched a topre switch... I would be interested in trying a uTron since it has an ergonomic layout in addition to topre switches.
Kinesis Contoured Advantage & Advantage2 LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Advantage2, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, IBM SSK (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

Offline trax

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 05:28:16 »
Ive seen this video where a guy takes 2 hkkbs apart and compares them.
Its not the sound of bottoming out that changes, but the sound of the key popping back up.
Switches tried so far
Cherry MX Red Blue Black Clear
ALPS White Black (fake)Blue
Montereys
ACER
White Black
Futaba
Buckling Sprin

fossala

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 05:34:25 »
After a long think I will get the normal version (white - blank) as I know I love the sound and feel of that board.
I think my 2 cheapest options are this ebay guy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Happy-Hacking-Keyboard-Professional-2-PD-KB400W-White-Printed-Keycaps-PFU-/330669591381?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6391010086841232560 from japan or smartimports.net

Offline ascii

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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 08:46:44 »
Apple may have just saved me the $.... http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/messages-beta/

Now one of the two main reasons I wanted to get this thing (messaging on an iDevice) have been sort of bypassed.

fossala

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 08:50:02 »
Quote from: ascii;516958
Apple may have just saved me the $.... http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/messages-beta/

Now one of the two main reasons I wanted to get this thing (messaging on an iDevice) have been sort of bypassed.

Apple, saving people money? Don't make me laugh.

Offline gilgam

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 10:06:04 »
I'm not sure that plugging an hhkb on an ipad or an iphone wrks (even through camera connector).
There are some issues.
I tried to get a answer from an Apple guy : no way...
I searched on forums : not so sure.

Apple is now a big company, which implies stupid things imho.
Realforce 105 FR, HHKB Pro 2 black, 1 Raptor K1 Black Cherry and 1 Raptor K1 Red Cherry , Compag MX 11800  tBrown Cherry, G80-3000 Clear Cherry , G80-1000 Blue Cherry / Ghetto red, Lexmark 1992 SSK Buckling spring, Unicomp 2011 Customizer 102 Buckling spring
and a few rubber dome/scissors keyboards from Apple/Logitech

Offline ascii

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 13:17:18 »
Quote from: gilgam;517018
I'm not sure that plugging an hhkb on an ipad or an iphone wrks (even through camera connector).
There are some issues.
I tried to get a answer from an Apple guy : no way...
I searched on forums : not so sure.

Apple is now a big company, which implies stupid things imho.

Oh, don't ruin the fun, it's mostly my excuse to get a HHKB.  That said... Don't ask "an Apple guy"  they tow the party line and nothing is supported.  I only talk to their tech support when something can't be fixed.  Usually takes about 45 minutes before I'm on the phone with a "senior engineer" who tells me they'll "look into it"  and my response is usually "That's fine.  I don't expect a resolution, I just wanted to submit this as a bug."  They are also ALWAYS going to tell you "no" if you are trying to use an accessory or device in an "unsupported" way.  They didn't make the USB plug for keyboards, they sell them as a "camera connector".  They've already reduced the unintended greatness that was the camera connection kit once.  I used to be able to plug my DAC into the iPad and it would play music.... Pretty fantastic feature.  A software update about a year ago broke that.  Something about reducing the power available to USB.

The best way to see is to plug it in.  My Realforce did work just fine, but gave a few unsupported accessory errors.

Quote from: ripster;517043
?

Should work.  Report back.

Woohoo - me and my CPA are soooooo excited!

AAPL

Yeah!  Wednesday was nice when it hit 526.  Then Thursday and today have been not as nice.

Offline gilgam

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 13:33:32 »
Earning money doesn't mean you're smart you know :-)

I mean the way they close the hardware, then the software, may be considered as smart on the business side (captive customers) but finally global awareness of technology doesn't improve. Copyright is fighting against free knowledge and Apple is a big player in this game now.


AAPL
503.29 +1.08‎ (0.22%‎)

If you don't sell, you don't have .
Realforce 105 FR, HHKB Pro 2 black, 1 Raptor K1 Black Cherry and 1 Raptor K1 Red Cherry , Compag MX 11800  tBrown Cherry, G80-3000 Clear Cherry , G80-1000 Blue Cherry / Ghetto red, Lexmark 1992 SSK Buckling spring, Unicomp 2011 Customizer 102 Buckling spring
and a few rubber dome/scissors keyboards from Apple/Logitech

Offline ascii

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 14:17:06 »
Actually, I have a bit of insider information on why AAPL is doing so well.  Don't share this though, we all know how well the Apple Gestapo works.

It turns out, Apple has a project that is moving forward very well.  The codename for this project is HoFCPD* and it has been in development for several years after very successful in house testing.  The project is centered around a new generation of their old AppleWriter print devices.  Obviously time and technology always move forward.  The new print devices are much faster and more detailed than the original AppleWriter series.  They can apparently print on a variety of specialized media with an array of specialized inks and finish processes.  There is a rumor that Tim Cook is going to gift one of these devices to each shareholder at some point in the hopefully near future.

The only drawback is:  These print devices only print Money.



(*Hand over Fist Currency Print Device)

Offline ascii

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 15:17:00 »
Quote from: ripster;517230
My theory is simpler.  It's like Whitney Houston album sales.

Steve Jobs dies and his Greatest Hits takes off!

Well played.  You didn't see Apple boosting the prices of iDevices and Macs 30 minutes after Steve Jobs died though.  Good Game, Sony!

Offline ironman31

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 18:21:15 »
Quote from: gilgam;517018
I'm not sure that plugging an hhkb on an ipad or an iphone wrks (even through camera connector).
There are some issues.
I tried to get a answer from an Apple guy : no way...
I searched on forums : not so sure.

Apple is now a big company, which implies stupid things imho.


It doesn't work. My filco did though.
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



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Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


fossala

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 18 February 2012, 01:48:53 »
Back to the thread. I have heard someone say (cannot remember where) that the dampening rings are likely to wear out. Is there any weight behind these claims?

Offline nhwhaup

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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 04:58:01 »
All my keyboards work with my iPad but mine is the 1st iPad and I kept the older version software so I can continue  to use the keyboards.  I've heard that the newer iPads and software do not work with the keyboards.  Maybe the one coming out this spring will work and that will prompt me to purchase a new one to help out with your stock....
Current in order of preference:  RealForce 87U Silent White with variable weighted keys X 2, Filco Majestouch 2 Tenkeyless with Linear Reds, Filco Number-pad, Poker with Linear Reds

Sold or returned:  Multiple Microsoft and Logitech keyboards, Das Keyboard Silent, Cherry 6140, RealForce 103UB, RealForce 86U, Filco Majestouch 2 full sized with Linear Reds

Offline Findecanor

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 09:06:34 »
Quote from: fossala;517628
Back to the thread. I have heard someone say (cannot remember where) that the dampening rings are likely to wear out. Is there any weight behind these claims?
All materials that are being bent or compressed regularly deteriorate. I have heard of different O-rings cracking or turning into mush after a while, but so far not about anybody having problems with O-rings in their keyboards. It depends a lot on the material of the O-ring.
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fossala

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 16:33:09 »
I still cannot decide on which one to get.  I know I like the original non silenced but the type-s is calling out to me. Is there anyone who has a silenced topre and actually prefers the normal one?
Any last minute wisdom?

Offline hcry4

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 18:14:27 »
Just get the Type-S...

Offline skwan

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 00:52:11 »
if you havn't decided already, here are my two cents as i have both...

They both do not work with Ipads unless you down grade the firmware to almost a year ago (forgot version name, i got an ipad with no apps just for note taking purposes, but even then it doesn't work well, as the keyboard does not respond after a bit of use 4-10 minutes max)

As for the difference between type S and normal.  At first they feel very similar (like when you first switch from RD/Scissors to topre, but after a while you can't live without them), but later you first notice the travel is slightly lowered with the type S, which of course is a bad thing, but i tend to bottom out less hard (doubt people actually don't bottom out with topre unlike cherries) with the type S, because it feels more linear.

Also another point i note (as a lot of other users have also noted), topre keys have a fairly large variance between the force required to depress a key even within the same keyboard.  However, my type S seems considerably more uniform than my normal keyboard, this could be due to luck of course.

The noise reduced is very noticeable, especially if you type at any speed above 70.  

Right now i prefer the normal keyboard over the type s purely from a typing perspective, even if the keys are less uniform, i find that I type slightly more accurate as the tactile feed back is slightly stronger, this view is formed after using both boards since type S first came out, at first the novelty had me all over the type S, and I still feel that it "feels" better (as it is more linear, and therefore less impact on my finger tips) but there is an noticeable increase in accuracy and speed (ie, barely, very very very very little) when i switch over to the normal hhkb.

fossala

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 01:38:31 »
How can the tactility change, I thought all they did was add silencing rings.

Offline TheProfosist

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 09:44:58 »
travel is shorter as well.

Offline isp

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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 09:57:19 »
so thats what the s means
hhkb

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 09:59:54 »
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so thats what the s means

i think the official terms are speed and silent

Offline isp

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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 10:56:04 »
Maybe this book could shed some light on the matter.  You have to wonder whats actually contained in those 64 pages...

At any rate, these guys are published so they aren't messing around.  I don't see how this can be viewed as anything other than a serious affront to Ripster's claim of being #1 keyboard export in the world.
hhkb

Offline TheProfosist

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 11:05:38 »
Quote from: isp;519620
Maybe this book could shed some light on the matter.  You have to wonder whats actually contained in those 64 pages...

At any rate, these guys are published so they aren't messing around.  I don't see how this can be viewed as anything other than a serious affront to Ripster's claim of being #1 keyboard export in the world.
i might have to check it out though $40 ouch!

Offline HairyTroll

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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 11:44:17 »
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Maybe this book could shed some light on the matter.  You have to wonder whats actually contained in those 64 pages...

"Please note that the content of this book primarily consists of articles available from Wikipedia or other free sources online".

fossala

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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 14:17:18 »
I just couldn't bring myself to spend 90gbp on some rubber rings. So I have ordered a white non-printed pro 2.