Author Topic: FOR FREE! 110 62g Korean Springs (Read 12061 times)

poxeclipse · « **Reply #50 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 08:26:22 »

Do they work for Alps too ?

keyboardlover · « **Reply #51 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 09:12:09 »

Wow...all this excitement and no one asked what they're made out of?

Are they steel? Titanium?

alaricljs · « **Reply #52 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 09:13:29 »

They're springs, the force specs are more important than the material.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #53 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 09:16:48 »

Quote from: alaricljs on Fri, 10 August 2012, 09:13:29

They're springs, the force specs are more important than the material.

They're both equally important. Would you buy them if they were made from tin?

alaricljs · « **Reply #54 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 09:34:43 »

Tin isn't spring material, so they wouldn't be made from that. So again, the spring specs are what counts. Obviously the material contributes to those specs, but between Ti and steel (or whatever other material) with the same force specs then all Ti gives you is a different corrosion resistance profile than steel and inside a KB that's pretty damned close to not important at all.

damorgue · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 09:43:53 »

Also, the where you are on the curve matters. The spring constant is not all that matters. A simple example

Spring A is 20mm long and pre-compressed to 15mm
Spring B is 15mm long
Spring C is 5mm long

If you compress all of these 5mm, A will go from a certain force to a very similar force. B will go from zero to a certain force and C will go from zero to a VERY high force. In order to get a constant force, a longer spring that already has some tension would be better.

This is pretty obvious, but why hasn't there been more tests with this in the keyboard field? We can select both the starting force and the bottoming out force.

A spring which is just barely long enough to make the stem touch the housing would result in almost zero starting force which combined with a spring with larger spring constant would make for a steeper curve and greater change in force. On the other hand, we could take a long spring with a very small spring constant and compress it into the switch. It would have a large starting force but would change very little. If this is combined with the stems, you could make it so that the forces are maximized or minimized at certain point to emphasize parts of the stem.

alaricljs · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 09:47:28 »

Because it's way the hell cheaper to just use what's available or base what you're doing on what's already been done than to actually do research.

limmy · « **Reply #57 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:11:01 »

Force spec of spring is determined by material(and its thickness), number of active coils, and length. Some force spec might not be achievable using certain material so material choice matters. Also, some materials would have longer life than others under stress.

Here is force chart that I measured from recent group buy springs. X axis is measured length of depressed spring and Y axis is reading from a scale.

chart source: http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/4742089
post on measurement: http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/4109072

62g spring according to my measurement has similar initial resistance and more resistance near the bottom.

DanGWanG · « **Reply #58 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:36:53 »

The silver 62g springs from the recent Korean GB doesn't feel too different for me compared to the stock springs. The 62g represents the force required to bottom-out, not actuation. So when comparing to a stock Blue/Brown spring, the difference is really really really nominal.

Now, for whatever reason, the Gold 62g springs I have are significantly heavier. Whether the '62g,' in this instance, represents the actuation or bottom-out...I have no clue. But I suspect it means the actuation, since it seems a lot heavier.

So for those of you receiving the silver 62g springs, don't expect much of a difference between that and the stock springs.

Edit: For reference, stock Blue/Brown springs require 45g to actuate and 60g to bottom out. That means there is a difference of 2g on the bottom out, and even less on the actuation.

Kellybear · « **Reply #59 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:38:15 »

Ooo, nice to know Dan. :3 Thanks for the info ;o I have gold ones yay!

DanGWanG · « **Reply #60 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:42:51 »

I'm glad it made sense lol...I had to re-read it a few times =)

spolia optima · « **Reply #61 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:46:07 »

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demik · « **Reply #62 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:47:30 »

both gold and silver springs feel the same to me.

DanGWanG · « **Reply #63 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:48:42 »

^Probably why you're getting the placebo effect on vintage vs. modern blacks! Your hands are insensitive...and cold....

demik · « **Reply #64 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:49:02 »

like my heart

DanGWanG · « **Reply #65 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:49:30 »

Is it filled with hatred too?

demik · « **Reply #66 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:52:05 »

just towards raiders fans, giants fans, and one or two GHers.

boost · « **Reply #67 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:58:37 »

Quote from: demik on Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:52:05

just towards raiders fans, giants fans, and one or two GHers.

Pfft

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MMB · « **Reply #68 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 11:11:44 »

Quote from: demik on Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:52:05

just towards raiders fans, giants fans, and one or two GHers.

boost · « **Reply #69 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 11:12:10 »

Quote from: MagicMeatball on Fri, 10 August 2012, 11:11:44

Quote from: demik on Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:52:05
just towards raiders fans, giants fans, and one or two GHers.

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I think he is...

DanGWanG · « **Reply #70 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 11:20:30 »

demik · « **Reply #71 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 11:25:46 »

KAWA BAN THESE *******

*throws hissyfit*

BOOST, MMB, DAN! all of you are banned from my gbs!

AND IM DOING GREEN NEXT!!!!

kaiserreich · « **Reply #72 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 12:20:46 »

Quote from: DanGWanG on Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:48:42

^Probably why you're getting the placebo effect on vintage vs. modern blacks! Your hands are insensitive...and cold....

Silver and gold has no difference in key feel. Can't even tell the diff between 62g and 65g
Vintage and modern, i can tell the diff straight away.

DanGWanG · « **Reply #73 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 12:23:21 »

Quote from: kaiserreich on Fri, 10 August 2012, 12:20:46

Quote from: DanGWanG on Fri, 10 August 2012, 10:48:42
^Probably why you're getting the placebo effect on vintage vs. modern blacks! Your hands are insensitive...and cold....

Silver and gold has no difference in key feel. Can't even tell the diff between 62g and 65g
Vintage and modern, i can tell the diff straight away.

This would actually be a good time for the Ripometer....

Kellybear · « **Reply #74 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 12:26:07 »

Wait so ARE they the same? The silver and gold 62g springs o-o now I'm getting confused lol.

alaricljs · « **Reply #75 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 12:26:18 »

Only if the spring is linear and you test it in a linear switch... proper force curves need a decent sampling rate across the entire distance between un-compressed and fully compressed.

boost · « **Reply #76 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 12:26:39 »

Who won this?

alaricljs · « **Reply #77 on:** Fri, 10 August 2012, 12:28:52 »

Quote from: demik on Thu, 09 August 2012, 23:06:57

and mistakemistake won!!!

congrats sir, now PM me your address.

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Author Topic: FOR FREE! 110 62g Korean Springs (Read 12061 times)