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« on: Fri, 26 June 2009, 17:46:42 »
My father informed me last week that his 9 year old HP Laserjet 1100 printer had developed its first problem, and that he would be taking it in for a repair. It prints fine except post-cards, which he prints thousands of twice a year for his veterinary clinic.

Instead of allowing him to pay the nearly $100 fee to repair it, I looked to Ebay. To my surprise, 1100s go very cheaply. I bought him one with a 20k page count for $40 shipped. Dad figures that a toner of black ink lasts about 5-10k pages, and he goes through several a year. They're also cheap on ebay, at about $18-30 each.

I'm thoroughly amazed that his old beast is still kicking at all, it prints everything for the business (receipts, labels, daily/weekly/monthly reports, etc) and is powered up 9 hours a day. He's probably gone through 100,000+ prints with it, and the only problem to date is this inability to feed post card sized pages.

Basically, I wanted to share a fine piece of older equipment with you, the HP Laserjet 1100 printer.

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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 26 June 2009, 17:50:57 »
They sure don't make them like they used to...back then you actually had a decent sized toner/ink cartridge...
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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 26 June 2009, 18:47:32 »
I'd love to see your printer, but I can't seem to take my eyes off the wallpaper. lovely.

Ah 1994, Siamese Dream and the HP Laserjet 4L. Good times they were.
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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 26 June 2009, 19:08:15 »
For some reason, I have a strange urge to find an old Dot Matrix printer...and that long tractor paper...
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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 26 June 2009, 19:12:33 »
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For some reason, I have a strange urge to find an old Dot Matrix printer...and that long tractor paper...


with people going back to typewriters, why not to dot matrix printers?

It was a lot of fun tearing those edges off before handing in a paper ;)
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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 00:50:47 »
I miss dot-matrix printers, because you had control over consumable expenses.

You could run the ribbons until you could no longer read the print on the page without holding it to the light.

Now, I use a HP LaserJet 5 (cost: $9) and keep a 4+ as a spare in case it ever dies (cost: $5)... but it still annoys me that at some point, I'll have to spend $30 or 40 for a cartridge when the ribbons were like $12 in their time.
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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 09:28:41 »
Dot matrix printers were more expensive, but the ribbons cost almost nothing...the way printers should be, really.
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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 11:04:18 »
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Maybe I won't complain so much about inkjet cartridge prices ....
:jaw:

Dot Matrix ink was economical, but we should all remember the "SCREEEEEEEEEEEEECH"
Old computer labs with two or three of them sounded like machine age warzones.

To update my initial post; I discovered that HP continued the B&W 1000 line of laserjets, up to the 1300 models. They're basically the same printer with some modern features: USB, an equally huge 24.7 Oz toner capacity (on ebay for around $8-20), increased memory capacity, 1200 DPI, and the 1320 is "network ready" and has a paper drawer. I assume that means it has an ethernet jack.

Laserjet 1320


Laserjet 1300
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 11:48:07 »
Honestly, I don't trust new printers... I expect them to come with hideous drivers whose primary purpose in life is to tell you "your ink cartridge is 97% full and must be replaced."

I recall trying to install a LaserJet P2015 or something on a co-worker's Vista box.  It had one of those driver packs which:

* Took up 100M of disc space
* Had that "install drivers, THEN plug in printer" thing going on.  I hate such a layout, because I may want to fresh-install but leave everything connected.  Good drivers can cope.  

That's what I like about the old LaserJets-- they're supported out of the box, even on 64-bit Vista-- merely tell it to find the network printer.
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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 12:11:19 »
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Honestly, I don't trust new printers... I expect them to come with hideous drivers whose primary purpose in life is to tell you "your ink cartridge is 97% full and must be replaced."
That's been my experience as well, it seems that new home printers are simply machines to supply the manufacturer with a constant supply of ink sales. What's in a typical Deskjet, 0.1 oz of ink/color or something? My wife's canon is even worse, if one color runs out you can't print anything; if you're out of magenta, you can't even do B&W. It would be illegal in a perfect world.
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 12:46:45 »
I just went thru 2 ink jets in about 6 months, both dying with the same error (they were the same model). So I finally broke down and bought a laserjet (my first!) off of craigslist for 50 bucks from some student. Its an HP 1020, nice compact size:



So far has been running like a champ. Cartridges look like they will cost around $30, though I've also seen them for around $20 (those 'refilled' ones, I think? Do they do that for laserjet cartridges?). Since the inkjet replacements had cost $15-20, thats not a huge difference to me.

However now I'm left with 3 ink jet cartridges. Giving them to my cousin who is cursed with the exact same inkjet.

Sadly that inkjet (which gave both me and him so many problems) was also HP. In general I've had very good experiences with HP, so maybe its this particular model line. (I've seen people suffer a lot more with, say, lexmark printers, or struggle with finding replacement cartridges for their brother printers).
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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 12:58:03 »
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I just went thru 2 ink jets in about 6 months, both dying with the same error (they were the same model). So I finally broke down and bought a laserjet (my first!) off of craigslist for 50 bucks from some student. Its an HP 1020, nice compact size:

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So far has been running like a champ. Cartridges look like they will cost around $30, though I've also seen them for around $20 (those 'refilled' ones, I think? Do they do that for laserjet cartridges?). Since the inkjet replacements had cost $15-20, thats not a huge difference to me.

However now I'm left with 3 ink jet cartridges. Giving them to my cousin who is cursed with the exact same inkjet.

Sadly that inkjet (which gave both me and him so many problems) was also HP. In general I've had very good experiences with HP, so maybe its this particular model line. (I've seen people suffer a lot more with, say, lexmark printers, or struggle with finding replacement cartridges for their brother printers).


Where'd you ever get ink so cheap?
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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 12:58:31 »
btw the laserjet 1100 - thats the vertical feeder right? At work we used to see a lot of problems on that model with the feeding mechanism going out of alignment all the time. I got turned off of vertical feeders because of that model. I"m surprised your dad hasnt seen that problem. It happened so often at work that I thought it was actually a design flaw.
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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 13:01:50 »
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btw the laserjet 1100 - thats the vertical feeder right? At work we used to see a lot of problems on that model with the feeding mechanism going out of alignment all the time.
Yes, it is. That could be the problem he experienced with the post card sized pages not wanting to feed through.

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Sadly that inkjet (which gave both me and him so many problems) was also HP.
I've had bad experiences with newer HP Deskjets & Photosmarts, Canons, Brothers, and Lexmarks, as far as breaking, ink conservation, and bloated drivers are concerned.
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 13:03:09 »
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Where'd you ever get ink so cheap?


amazon is one option - if you look for your cartridge number on there, among the search results will be 'generic' refills as well as 'refilled' ones, which in my experience can be found for 1/3 cost of a "new HP" one.  I've never had problems with either refilled or generic ones, although admittedly I dont print that much, maybe the odd paper or two once every couple of weeks.

Ebay is another option for generics and refilled ones.

For the laserjet I think it was on amazon that I saw the $20-range cartridge for the 1020. Here for instance. Note its listed as an HP "Compatible" toner cartridge.

For inkjets you can go especially cheap, because there are online places who give you a mailer, you mail them your old cartridge, they refill it and send it back, free shipping in some cases, and literally doesnt cost more than $10.
I think this page lists some examples of these mail order refillers:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/cheap_inket_cartridges.htm

I havent done that for a while but I did do it once and it did work.  Dont know if they have anything equiv for laserjets, as I only just now got my first laserjet. I'll look into it when my toner runs out I guess.
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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 13:04:25 »
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amazon is one option - if you look for your cartridge number on there, among the search results will be 'generic' refills as well as 'refilled' ones, which in my experience can be found for 1/3 cost of a "new HP" one.  I've never had problems with either refilled or generic ones, although admittedly I dont print that much, maybe the odd paper or two once every couple of weeks.

Ebay is another option for generics and refilled ones.

For the laserjet I think it was on amazon that I saw the $20-range cartridge for the 1020.

For inkjets you can go especially cheap, because there are online places who give you a mailer, you mail them your old cartridge, they refill it and send it back, free shipping in some cases, and literally doesnt cost more than $10.
I think this page lists some examples of these mail order refillers:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/cheap_inket_cartridges.htm

I havent done that for a while but I did do it once and it did work.  Dont know if they have anything equiv for laserjets, as I only just now got my first laserjet. I'll look into it when my toner runs out I guess.


And to think, we've been getting ink from Staples...ouch.
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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 13:09:30 »
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And to think, we've been getting ink from Staples...ouch.


ouch, i'm sure it would cost 3 times more, at least, in staples and retail.  I'm still in my super cheap student mode so I took one look at the price tag at best buy and went hunting online.

Hell I've even starting buying soups and noodles from amazon, lol, for lunch. Pretty decent price/per/unit and free shipping on a lot of them :)  Door to door service is just a bonus ;)


I should add, as far as inkjet refills, I think there was only one time when the refill that arrived 'leaked' a little and I tossed it. But I'd say 9 out of 10 times they work perfectly, so far anyway. Given how cheap they are, it all seems worth it to me.  The "generics" (listed often as "compatible" on amazon) is a newer option that has just started appearing recently, maybe some of the patents have expired or something.
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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 13:35:09 »
I recall having a Samsung ML-1210, which always reminded me a lot of the HP 1100, in the vertical-feed design.  The feed mechanism gave out after about three years of very irregular use (I didn't even consume the entire 1000-page-rated half-full starter cartridge in the box)
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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 27 June 2009, 14:11:10 »
My wife's Canon is top-loading, and it prints crooked pages often. Dad's had no problems like that with the 1100 though, after hundreds of thousands of pages. It's quite the work-horse.
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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 28 June 2009, 16:51:43 »
After reading the amazon reviews of the 1300 & 1320, I don't believe they are in the same category as the older 1100 and 1200. Apparently they break early and often, and the toner cartridge has a chip in it, restricting you to a certain # of refills. In other words, they carry the modern HP programmed-to-fail features. A shame.
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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 28 June 2009, 16:55:56 »
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After reading the amazon reviews of the 1300 & 1320, I don't believe they are in the same category as the older 1100 and 1200. Apparently they break early and often, and the toner cartridge has a chip in it, restricting you to a certain # of refills. In other words, they carry the modern HP programmed-to-fail features. A shame.


it sounds like a hi-tech way of turning your purchase into a rental.
and thats a form of theft if you ask me.
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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 28 June 2009, 17:09:02 »
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it sounds like a hi-tech way of turning your purchase into a rental.
and thats a form of theft if you ask me.


I've noticed that HP has a way of doing that.
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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 28 June 2009, 17:56:21 »
I've noticed it's not just a printer thing, it's every business.

Don't buy a VCR which is a one-time expense- buy a Tivo with a service fee attached!  (Attention manufacturers:  I'd love to buy a "VCR-level DVR" appliance-- it would take over-the-air ATSC and just let me record by channel and time-- but I will not buy one with a service fee attached.  Instead, I have to rely on a desktop PC with tuner software to get the same features... at 14 times the power draw.

Don't buy a Hyundai and own it forever- lease a Lincoln and we're assured you'll bring it back in in two years!

Everyone's fixated on the "monthly recurring revenue" model.
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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 28 June 2009, 18:04:19 »
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I've noticed it's not just a printer thing, it's every business.

Don't buy a VCR which is a one-time expense- buy a Tivo with a service fee attached!  (Attention manufacturers:  I'd love to buy a "VCR-level DVR" appliance-- it would take over-the-air ATSC and just let me record by channel and time-- but I will not buy one with a service fee attached.  Instead, I have to rely on a desktop PC with tuner software to get the same features... at 14 times the power draw.

Don't buy a Hyundai and own it forever- lease a Lincoln and we're assured you'll bring it back in in two years!

Everyone's fixated on the "monthly recurring revenue" model.


Unfortunately, that's very true. Although, I don't think AMD or Intel can get away with actual processor breakage...
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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 29 June 2009, 12:01:07 »
A  friend of the family is an artist and worked with computer graphics in the early 80s.
I well remember his huge plotter. It took a whole night to print a poster sized page with the colour he'd put in the pen holder, half of the times something went wrong and the process had to be retried...
Not a very reliable old-school printer.
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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 29 June 2009, 12:04:48 »
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I've noticed it's not just a printer thing, it's every business.

Don't buy a VCR which is a one-time expense- buy a Tivo with a service fee attached!  (Attention manufacturers:  I'd love to buy a "VCR-level DVR" appliance-- it would take over-the-air ATSC and just let me record by channel and time-- but I will not buy one with a service fee attached.  Instead, I have to rely on a desktop PC with tuner software to get the same features... at 14 times the power draw.

Don't buy a Hyundai and own it forever- lease a Lincoln and we're assured you'll bring it back in in two years!

Everyone's fixated on the "monthly recurring revenue" model.


This business model have made me concerning giving up gilettes and use my old straight razor.
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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 29 June 2009, 12:51:57 »
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Uh, you guys don't know old. The HP Laserjet4L - still spittin em out courtesy of junked Ebay toner cartridges.
 
Far left, ignore all that other junk. 1994, $600. Linky.

FTW.  I still use a (yellowed) LaserJet 4 my parents bought years ago.  I replaced the exit rollers with a $20 kit from eBay, and it works great. It has the memory upgrade kit and the network card.  Best (old school) printer series ever.
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 29 June 2009, 12:59:33 »
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This business model have made me concerning giving up gilettes and use my old straight razor.


for what its worth, the blades on my schick quattro last a very long time (almost a  month, even with daily shaving).  I've heard the gillette fusion doesnt last nearly as long, tho i've never tried it.  (Also, like with inkjet cartridges, ebay is the cheap place to buy replacement quattro cartridges in bulk, comes out pretty cheap in cost/unit)
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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 30 June 2009, 12:26:05 »
This poster from 1983 is one of the portraits made with the plotter:
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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 30 June 2009, 12:47:43 »
Can't see anything....
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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 10 July 2009, 13:42:15 »
We had an IBM 4019 laser printer for many years, here at the office.



We trashed it because the cartridges got really expensive, IIRC.

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« Reply #32 on: Sat, 18 July 2009, 19:41:59 »
I've actually got a Citizen 24-pin color dot matrix. Interesting fact about them: Citizen and Epson black dot matrix ribbons are very easy to get nowadays.

Anyway, I'm happy with the Brother HL-2070N. Low purchase price when they were new, ridiculous durability, decent consumable costs when using knockoffs.

And, for the DVR... you can do a build based on mobile hardware. Very expensive to get something powerful enough, but you'll have low power draw.
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Ode to the HP 1100 Laserjet Printer
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 18 July 2009, 21:52:35 »
I haven't tried the HP LaserJet 1100, but I am a fan of the LaserJet 1200.  We have one at our office that has gone without issue (knock on wood) since it was purchased in 2001.  This is an abusive, fast paced office that has torn up two HP 4000, one HP4200, one HPC 4550 and one HPC4650 in the time I've been there.  The little 1200 is the only one thats lasted and its toner is still cheap and lasts quite long.
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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 18 July 2009, 22:37:19 »
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I've actually got a Citizen 24-pin color dot matrix.
What kind of materials do you print with it? I would think it's best suited for things like receipts?

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I haven't tried the HP LaserJet 1100, but I am a fan of the LaserJet 1200
That model caught my eye enough for me to bookmark it for the next time I need a printer. It has a higher ram capacity than the 1100 (64 as opposed to 16 MB), USB, a front loading tray, twice the processing power (66 Mhz), and 1200 DPI--very nice. The 24 oz. ebay refills are also more abundant for the 1200, and claim 3500 pages. It sounds like a winner.

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Ode to the HP 1100 Laserjet Printer
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 18 July 2009, 23:00:52 »
There's not much that I print with it, I mainly got it to play around with. I usually use my Brother, and have a Canon BJC-85 for portable use - scary part is, with the black-only printhead and cartridge, ink per mL is cheaper than black ink for most modern inkjets. :eek:
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