Author Topic: sensei plus mousr rug disaster  (Read 3249 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 04:03:26 »
it is skipping and I am even getting bsods moving it. I want to keep my mouse rug. is there anything I can do? will all avg9500 mice do this?

Offline vun

  • Posts: 1499
  • Location: Norway
  • Just one more thing
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 05:28:47 »
If you're getting BSODs from moving your mouse then you most likely have an issue elsewhere, as for the skipping this might be due to incorrect settings in SteelSeries Engine, try adjusting lift-off distance, and while it's not an issue with most laser mice; try cleaning the sensor for dust.

And no, 9500 mice will not skip by default, but some of the A9500 ones might jitter or skip due to incorrect lift-off settings, however I have not had any problems with that on my Sensei so far.

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 05:52:11 »
thanks. I got it good enough I guess. that did make a difference.

Offline vun

  • Posts: 1499
  • Location: Norway
  • Just one more thing
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 05:56:28 »
I assume that by mouse rug you mean a mousepad, what mousepad do you use? It's not all that important these days, but sometimes the mousepad can cause issues for the sensor.

Offline Grim Fandango

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1036
  • Location: The Moon
  • "The living still give me the creeps."
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 05:59:03 »
In the case of the Avago 9500 sensor, some acceleration issues may occur on some mousepads, but skipping seems unlikely, and a BSOD is something that should really not happen. Did you try a different surface to be sure? I would try and remove, then reinstall the drivers
Mouse Guide 2.0: A list of mice with superior sensors and more.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.0

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 06:03:38 »
mouserug.com mine is no longer made. mine is a dark red and green very busy pattern. I would think it would work great. the g500 works fine.

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 06:04:39 »
it is the driver that crashes. I think this was a known issue on some systems. especially 64 bit.

Offline vun

  • Posts: 1499
  • Location: Norway
  • Just one more thing
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 06:25:35 »
I don't know about the surface of the mouserug, I would assume it's smooth since it's a mousepad, but if the surface is uneven that might cause problems for A9500 sensors.

As for the driver software; you don't need the Engine software running as the Sensei has onboard memory. If Engine is not the cause of the problem you might want to update your BIOS and/or try connecting your Sensei via a hub if you're not already doing so.

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 11:27:22 »
the mouserug is actually a pretty high performance surface sensors can read. it is like felt. it turns out the drag on the cord is "stalling" the mouse. I taped the cord to the desk and it works. that is stupid though I should not have to do that but whatever. the bsod is with microsofts driver that installs when the mouse is first plugged in. it is not a steelseries driver if their is one. apart form the engine. I know it is the driver because of the stop msg in the minidump from the bsod. now that it is not getting "hung up" on the cord I have not got the bsod. still, the os installed driver is probably flaky. unless the stuttering just confuses the heck out of the usb chip.

Offline vun

  • Posts: 1499
  • Location: Norway
  • Just one more thing
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 13:59:07 »
You should look into getting a mouse bungee for that cord issue, costs more than your tape solution, but is more elegant and convenient.

Offline Grim Fandango

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1036
  • Location: The Moon
  • "The living still give me the creeps."
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 14:12:41 »
You should look into getting a mouse bungee for that cord issue, costs more than your tape solution, but is more elegant and convenient.

There are also a lot of options that are cheaper/save space. An expensive option is the Razer armadillo 2, but I have to confess that I do use it. Probably wiser would be to use one of the many cheap cord holders you can get.
Mouse Guide 2.0: A list of mice with superior sensors and more.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.0

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 15:19:17 »
I want the cord completely under the table so the tape worked good. can't even se it. I did find the mouse and engine are buggy but it might be other issues with my system.

Offline vun

  • Posts: 1499
  • Location: Norway
  • Just one more thing
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 15:40:17 »
I want the cord completely under the table so the tape worked good. can't even se it. I did find the mouse and engine are buggy but it might be other issues with my system.

Chances are good that there's some other issue causing the BSODs, although I don't really have anything to base that claim on, so it could very well be a faulty mouse.

My Sensei has given me no problems whatsoever, nor have I had any issue at all with the Engine software, but this is merely anecdotal and doesn't mean the Sensei isn't the cause. However I find it hard to believe that the mouse works fine on some systems and breaks others just like that, so I'm inclined to believe that there is another problem that is triggered by the Sensei.

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 15:48:43 »
it appears to be a usb conflict with other devices that are plugged in. it is not a broken mouse. I found an option that may be even better than a cord holder. there is a bracket on the desk where I can put a wire tie to hold the cord. then the cord is completely free and there is no friction on it whatsoever.

Offline vun

  • Posts: 1499
  • Location: Norway
  • Just one more thing
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 16:11:43 »
Hm, then you may have an issue with your USB hardware as I have at any given time at least 2 pointing devices, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 (3 as we speak, one of them a Sensei), and I have never gotten a BSOD caused by any of them.

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 16:20:19 »
i don't really know what it is. some usb conflict. it works right now so i am not troubleshooting it at the moment. i went ahead and used that wire tie like i said. no skipping at all. the only thing is if i try to remove the driver or engine i get a bsod. first i got a bsod installing them. i did so in safe mode and it seems to work. it seems others have had issues with the xai/sensei and the engine as well. in my case i am pretty sure it is just a usb conflict.

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 21 May 2013, 01:45:44 »
this is just for general use. it is no longer giving me problems. I am not gaming. I was wondering if it would be a smart move to trade it for a g500s. or is that "less" of a mouse? or are there even better sensors out? seeing as I got it two days ago I can trade for something else if you guys think there is a better mouse for general duty. I do like the shape.

edit: I see the sensei is much preferred to the g500s. I hope that is because of the performance and not the funky colors however. I also read one needs to play with the settings to get it work on some surfaces. so off I go to mess with it.

edit2: the g500(s) has a better sensor used in the sensei mlg. it also has more features. I guess I will get one and see how it goes. I would miss the cool lights though!
« Last Edit: Tue, 21 May 2013, 04:52:14 by typo »

Offline vun

  • Posts: 1499
  • Location: Norway
  • Just one more thing
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 21 May 2013, 07:40:20 »
this is just for general use. it is no longer giving me problems. I am not gaming. I was wondering if it would be a smart move to trade it for a g500s. or is that "less" of a mouse? or are there even better sensors out? seeing as I got it two days ago I can trade for something else if you guys think there is a better mouse for general duty. I do like the shape.

edit: I see the sensei is much preferred to the g500s. I hope that is because of the performance and not the funky colors however. I also read one needs to play with the settings to get it work on some surfaces. so off I go to mess with it.

edit2: the g500(s) has a better sensor used in the sensei mlg. it also has more features. I guess I will get one and see how it goes. I would miss the cool lights though!

They're all laser sensors and so similar you can't really tell them apart. If you want to upgrade your sensor and like the shape of the G500, get the G400. Also G500, and G500s, have off-center sensor placement.

Offline typo

  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 1676
Re: sensei plus mousr rug disaster
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 21 May 2013, 13:50:47 »
I had exchanged a xai for a g500. now I exchanged a sensei for a g500s. I am not gaming. no stuttering plays nice with usb. I always found steel series to be very buggy. so that is solved.