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Offline Photekq

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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 15:55:51 »
Ideal? I'd have to have two..

Industrial 84 key SSK
Industrial-coloured tenkeypad (I know this doesn't exist.. but you did say ideal..)

Since the tenkeypad doesn't exist, my ideal BS keyboard that actually exists would be a 101 key industrial.

I haven't actually tried BS though.. I might hate it.
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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 15:58:07 »
Ideal? I'd have to have two..

Industrial 84 key SSK
Industrial-coloured tenkeypad (I know this doesn't exist.. but you did say ideal..)

Since the tenkeypad doesn't exist, my ideal BS keyboard that actually exists would be a 101 key industrial.

I haven't actually tried BS though.. I might hate it.
In my search for odd IBM model numbers, I came across a reference to what appears to be a tenkey using "model F" technology . Other than that, there is the 50-key IBM keyboard with a metal case. I plan to use mine as an extended tenkey. It weighs about 5 lbs.

Offline TheRavenDog

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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 16:08:06 »
I'm pretty happy so far with my Model M Frankenboard:


I'm going to make some additional modifications:
1) Add an additional modifier key just to the left of the right shift key. I want it for additional symbols (perhaps a set of APL keycaps).
2) Figure out a good way to print my own keycaps. Unicomp can only print certain symbols (and not always the ones I want). I've tried clear stickers (which look good), but eventually, they come off.
3) Change my controller code to make a key-programming button on the back of the keyboard. Press the button, press a key, enter the key's new 4 digit scancode.
4) Use the metal-plate and rubber-sheet from by old 1986 Model M 1390120. That change should go a long way towards improving the feel of the Unicomp board.

I'm working on a way to build a board that looks like this:


I've been trying to make individual Model F switches, where the hammer strikes an individual membrane mounted on a small piece of plastic. Two pins protrude from the bottom of the plastic so that the switch can be mounted on a circuit board. Then I just make a new upper metal plate with holes drilled for all my switches.


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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 16:20:27 »
Unicomp can only print certain symbols (and not always the ones I want).
Nice board! Do you know the complete list of symbols that Unicomp can dyesub onto a key? I have a Model F 122 key I'm going to be really-capping, so Windows, application, and media symbol 1x keys would be perfect for this project.

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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 16:57:31 »
Unicomp can only print certain symbols (and not always the ones I want).
Nice board! Do you know the complete list of symbols that Unicomp can dyesub onto a key? I have a Model F 122 key I'm going to be really-capping, so Windows, application, and media symbol 1x keys would be perfect for this project.

Sadly, Unicomp doesn't know (or won't publish) the complete list of symbols. They claim they can print any symbol they've printed before (but I've seen some crazy old IBM symbols). Clear mailing labels laser printed and cut to size work remarkably well (but they're not very elegant).

Also the print quality on Unicomp keys is different then what I want: look at the Close key (Insert key position) on my Frankenboard. It's a different color and the text is very blurry.

Unicomp has printed single key Windows and Menu keys (but I don't know if they can be ordered).

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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 17:19:02 »
Unicomp can only print certain symbols (and not always the ones I want).
Nice board! Do you know the complete list of symbols that Unicomp can dyesub onto a key? I have a Model F 122 key I'm going to be really-capping, so Windows, application, and media symbol 1x keys would be perfect for this project.

Here's a picture of my favorite custom key made with a mailing label (it's not bad, and it has stayed on for over 2 months of daily use):



Actually, up-close it looks pretty horrible. At a distance though,  I can't tell the difference (much):


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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 17:29:39 »
I'm also still happy with my Frankenbattleship. Spacesaving is overrated almost as much as the word overrated.

A big desk with a big monitor can carry a big manly keyboard. With a big Return key, too.

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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 17:42:11 »
I'm also still happy with my Frankenbattleship. Spacesaving is overrated almost as much as the word "overrated".

A big desk with a big monitor can carry a big manly keyboard.

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I agree completely about "space saving!" I want more keys to do more things faster!

Bigger desks. Bigger monitors. Bigger Keyboards!

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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 17:44:45 »
Nice! I'm loving the transparent caps. Are those from Fentek, or is there another source for them out there?

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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 18:13:55 »
The transparent caps are from a Model M that was used in a bank and that I got on eBay. Quality of the relegendables is ok but not great, I don't think they are IBM originals.

Unicomp seems to have clear caps from time to time, and I also found this site, but I don't know if they really sell in small quantities:

http://shop.hooleon.com/collections/keyboard-tools/products/ibm-model-m-keyboard-keycaps


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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 18:19:12 »
The transparent caps are from a Model M that was used in a bank and that I got on eBay. Quality of the relegendables is ok but not great, I don't think they are IBM originals.

Unicomp seems to have clear caps from time to time, and I also found this site, but I don't know if they really sell in small quantities:

http://shop.hooleon.com/collections/keyboard-tools/products/ibm-model-m-keyboard-keycaps

If hooleon only sells in larger quantities, shall we start a group buy? I'd like to get about 40...
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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 12 July 2013, 18:23:35 »
Yes, a group buy would be great. Fentek's listed price is 10 clear caps for $17.50, so
hopefully it would be a lot less in a GB

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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #62 on: Sat, 13 July 2013, 01:17:26 »
Nice yellow they have :)
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Re: If you could have one buckling spring keyboard...
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 14 July 2013, 20:54:48 »
Oh I thought we were fantasizing our ideal BS board XD