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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 14:11:25 »
Miley Cyrus, One Direction, Justin Bieber, take your pick.

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« Reply #51 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 14:44:29 »
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

You're not wrong here, but you're missing the point.  The axes of musicianship, composition, etc. do not and should not directly translate to the axes of popularity and profitability.

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« Reply #52 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 14:51:16 »
I think it's absolutely true that there are a ton of people who rely on radio stations and music charts to spoon feed them their music week after week rather than putting in the leg work to both find and understand what's really out there. They sell tons of albums because they follow the "let's make the same hit again and again" formula rather than exploring different song structures, keys, time signatures etc. Popular, mainstream music used to mean so much more than it does now. There are still artists out there who create amazing heartfelt and meaningful music. It's just too bad that less and less people really care. Personally don't see how anyone can argue that but all the power to you.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:48:49 »
The one who created WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY! REDING DINGDINGDINGDING.
That hurts my ears, why would they allow that on the radio?

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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:51:05 »
The one who created WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY! REDING DINGDINGDINGDING.
That hurts my ears, why would they allow that on the radio?

According to an interview I saw, they did it as a joke, trying to make the worst possible pop song ever.  Then it went global. 

It's pretty good as jogging music, and my son likes to sing it when we walk to school.   :thumb:

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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:56:11 »
Coldplay. There is probaly worse but I've not listened to most modern pop music and instead simply watch there music videos on mute with my own selection of music playing over the top, the best way to enjoy modern pop I've found.

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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 18:07:45 »
music is entirely a matter of opinion. there are popular opinions and unpopular opinions, but at the end of the day you can't say an artist/genre is bad. you might think they're ****, they might be talentless hacks, the composition might be terrible, etc. but if it sounds good in the ears of the listener (even if that listener is a brainwashed 12 year old girl) then you're in no position to tell anyone it's bad. sharing your opinion is one thing, but saying your opinion is fact is something else. the former is fine, the latter is not.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 19:03:56 »
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

You're not wrong here, but you're missing the point.  The axes of musicianship, composition, etc. do not and should not directly translate to the axes of popularity and profitability.

That's unfortunate. It's the reason why no talent ass clowns like Kanye West are loaded and extremely accomplished jazz musicians like Guthrie Govan are pretty much starving in comparison.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 19:05:23 »
I think it's absolutely true that there are a ton of people who rely on radio stations and music charts to spoon feed them their music week after week rather than putting in the leg work to both find and understand what's really out there. They sell tons of albums because they follow the "let's make the same hit again and again" formula rather than exploring different song structures, keys, time signatures etc. Popular, mainstream music used to mean so much more than it does now. There are still artists out there who create amazing heartfelt and meaningful music. It's just too bad that less and less people really care. Personally don't see how anyone can argue that but all the power to you.

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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 20:35:18 »
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

You're not wrong here, but you're missing the point.  The axes of musicianship, composition, etc. do not and should not directly translate to the axes of popularity and profitability.

That's unfortunate. It's the reason why no talent ass clowns like Kanye West are loaded and extremely accomplished jazz musicians like Guthrie Govan are pretty much starving in comparison.

kanye has made some of the most critically acclaimed beats and songs in the history of hip hop. you just don't like them.

as for his more contemporary work... cocaine is a hell of a drug, man.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 20:43:28 »
The one who created WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY! REDING DINGDINGDINGDING.
That hurts my ears, why would they allow that on the radio?

If you think that is serious you are a bit thick xD
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 21:33:10 »
The one who created WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY! REDING DINGDINGDINGDING.
That hurts my ears, why would they allow that on the radio?

i dunno man if you don't like that song your ears might need to be cleaned
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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 21:40:34 »
I guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.
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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 21:41:59 »
I guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.

yeah or we just like pop music. and some of us like music in 13/8 as well as nicki minaj man.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 21:46:43 »
if you like pop music you are literally hitler
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 21:47:09 »
if you like pop music you are literally hitler

checkmate christians.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 21:57:22 »
I guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.

yeah or we just like pop music. and some of us like music in 13/8 as well as nicki minaj man.
Its perfectly OK to like pop music. I just personally believe that it's sad most people just don't care about music the way they used to. There are people like yourself who are exceptions of course but lets not try to pretend that the driving force behind popular music today isn't the radio/charts holding the spoons and the millions of people waiting with mouths open.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 22:05:59 »
I guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.

yeah or we just like pop music. and some of us like music in 13/8 as well as nicki minaj man.
I hardly consider Nicki Minaj music, hate that troll more than Bieber
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 02 October 2013, 22:18:22 »
I guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.

yeah or we just like pop music. and some of us like music in 13/8 as well as nicki minaj man.
I hardly consider Nicki Minaj music, hate that troll more than Bieber

so what? you just get to make up definitions for words now?
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 00:17:36 »
if you like pop music you are literally hitler

I enjoy the works of Ke$ha and Jay Z

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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 00:41:18 »
if you like pop music you are literally hitler

I enjoy the works of Ke$ha and Jay Z

too far
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #71 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 00:46:31 »
if you like pop music you are literally hitler

I enjoy the works of Ke$ha
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 00:56:49 »
too far

Yeah, Katy Perry is more plausible.  Even Hitler couldn't enjoy Ke$ha.

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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 00:59:20 »
too far

Yeah, Katy Perry is more plausible.  Even Hitler couldn't enjoy Ke$ha.

personally i enjoy them about equally, which is to say not very much... but what do i know, i'm also hitler.
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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 01:00:32 »
dang!! now i have firework stuck in my head. i take it back, there can only be one hitler and it's you hashbaz
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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 01:03:05 »
2 white hitlers
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 14:57:34 »
if you like pop music you are literally hitler

Well, then I'm only Hitler when the car windows are rolled up tightly and I'm alone in the car.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #77 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:06:26 »
if you like pop music you are literally hitler

I enjoy the works of Ke$ha
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #78 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:12:54 »

Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better. 

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« Reply #79 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 17:08:27 »

Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better. 

this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 18:49:51 »

Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
So let me just try and get this straight in my head here. You're saying that by your logic, the Piano piece "chopsticks" can be considered better musicianship than say Beethoven's piano sonatas based solely on opinion? Because last time I checked, musicianship is based on knowledge, skill and artistic sensitivity. Unless of course the actual definition changed at some point in history.
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« Reply #81 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 18:59:11 »

Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
So let me just try and get this straight in my head here. You're saying that by your logic, the Piano piece "chopsticks" can be considered better musicianship than say Beethoven's piano sonatas based solely on opinion? Because last time I checked, musicianship is based on knowledge, skill and artistic sensitivity. Unless of course the actual definition changed at some point in history.

written music is not the same as performed music. like i said, you're arguing qualitative points like they're quantitative, which is silly. why do you even care if somebody prefers one song to another? what possible effect on your life does that have that you cannot easily mitigate via your own musical preference? why am i still arguing about this? i'm going to go read a book.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 19:00:54 »
So let me just try and get this straight in my head here. You're saying that by your logic, the Piano piece "chopsticks" can be considered better musicianship than say Beethoven's piano sonatas based solely on opinion? Because last time I checked, musicianship is based on knowledge, skill and artistic sensitivity. Unless of course the actual definition changed at some point in history.

Actually, you're mixing up things a bit.  Musicianship can not be applied to a piece of music...only to a given musician's performance of that piece of music.

A given sonata may be more technically complex than "chopsticks"...but neither can be considered "better musicianship" based solely on the notes on a piece of paper.

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« Reply #83 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 19:17:38 »
So let me just try and get this straight in my head here. You're saying that by your logic, the Piano piece "chopsticks" can be considered better musicianship than say Beethoven's piano sonatas based solely on opinion? Because last time I checked, musicianship is based on knowledge, skill and artistic sensitivity. Unless of course the actual definition changed at some point in history.

Actually, you're mixing up things a bit.  Musicianship can not be applied to a piece of music...only to a given musician's performance of that piece of music.

A given sonata may be more technically complex than "chopsticks"...but neither can be considered "better musicianship" based solely on the notes on a piece of paper.
Absolutely! I agree with you. Performance is a definitive part of musicianship as well as skill, knowledge and artistic sensitivity. And of course you are entitled to your own opinion and I'm not putting you down for it (at least that's not my intention). In case I wasn't clear, artistic sensitivity IS opinion. I'm just arguing that one cannot say "No. It's opinion. Period" to define musicianship because that is simply not true and I will defend that to my grave.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 19:31:55 »
Worst Musicians/ Bands of all time:

1.  Sir Paul McCartney (a stupid fat joke).  (In retrospect, it's obvious John Lennon carried the Beatles.)
2.  Bob Dylan (an overrated copyright infringer, who cannot sing two notes in succession to save his life).
3.  Neil Young (a fat Canadian hypocrite, loser and talentless clod.  When Neil was young, he protested the Viet Nam war; but when he got old, he cheered Bush's wars, convenient for him, since he was too old to fight.)

Honorable Mention:  (these people are just bad at singing, they don't understand what musical notes are, and cannot reproduce them with their vocal cords, nor can they keep in time with a syncopated rhythm, which is the essence of making "music".  However, they do not compare to the level of fraudulence of the top 3 listed above.)

4. Ke$ha. (devoid of talent.)
5.  Justin Beiber.  (simply can't sing.)
6.  Taylor Swift.  (fake everything.)
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 21:35:49 »

Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better. 

this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.

Yeah you keep thinking that kid. At least his opinion is one that I will respect because he's a musician himself and at least understands what I mean. You're talking to someone who's spent the last 16 years studying jazz, classical and rock music by the way.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 21:49:44 »

Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better. 

this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.

Yeah you keep thinking that kid. At least his opinion is one that I will respect because he's a musician himself and at least understands what I mean. You're talking to someone who's spent the last 16 years studying jazz, classical and rock music by the way.

I know more about music than you even though I don't know your musical background pissing contest is go!

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« Reply #87 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 22:36:35 »
That's not the point at all. Music is what I do for a living, so I take offense when someone says "this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences" - it's just making bull**** assumptions of people you don't even know.
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« Reply #88 on: Thu, 03 October 2013, 23:59:08 »
That's not the point at all. Music is what I do for a living, so I take offense when someone says "this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences" - it's just making bull**** assumptions of people you don't even know.
Thank you! Brace yourselves because this will most likely be too long for any of you to want to read but I'm doing it anyway. I've studied music theory, music history, production, sound engineering, acoustic engineering, psychoacoustics, music business, music contracts etc etc the list goes on and on and all under the guidance of true industry professionals whose resumes would make some people weak at the knees. I hate to sound as if I'm bragging (and maybe I am) but my passion for music far exceeds any other facet of my life. I know exactly how music is made now and exactly how it was made when a group of musicians got in a room and cut a record in an afternoon live off the floor on tape. Back when edits involved a razor blade, tape and a whole lot of time instead of a mouse click, keyboard commands and countless digital plugins that correct voices, pitch, tuning and timing so trust me when I tell you that a TON (not all) of popular music you hear today on the charts has VERY little to do with the artists performance and musicianship which by the way most definitely stems from knowledge and skill including notation and theory for some, as well as performance. Pfeww.....breathe YoungMichael.... Now, I certainly don't know any of your backgrounds in music aside from some of you being guitarists and drummers etc. and I'm happy to share those interests with you! I can see that you all like what you like and are firm in your beliefs. I respect you all and truly hope that outside of this thread we can all remain civilized. This is a forum after all where we are encouraged to discuss our thoughts and points of view which is precisely what I'm doing here. This isn't the first time jimmies were rustled on geekhack and it certainly won't be the last.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #89 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 08:06:06 »

Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better. 

this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.

Yeah you keep thinking that kid. At least his opinion is one that I will respect because he's a musician himself and at least understands what I mean. You're talking to someone who's spent the last 16 years studying jazz, classical and rock music by the way.

that's really cool man! i love jazz. i don't know nearly enough about classical music but i have immense respect for those who do and it is an extremely interesting genre of music to me from a theory standpoint, both compositionally and sonically.

and for the record, i've been playing music for about fourteen years -- almost as long as you; though if i were to tell you the genres that i generally focus on you would probably have something negative to say about it. you might also have something negative to say about the fact that i am almost entirely self-taught, which i take great pride in, or that i place very little importance (personally speaking of course) on capitalizing upon music and art -- that is to say, i work a job to afford myself the opportunity to play and learn about music in nearly all of my spare time. the fact that you might has little to no bearing on my life, and i take no offense by it. i gain more from music than anything else in my life, and i consider it the single most important aspect of my being and my ability to express myself and ideas that i have. it's very personal for me and i am very familiar with what constitutes the music industry. outside of the enjoyment i get from pop music i have very little patience for those who concern themselves with the music industry at large; outside of fleeting and unnecessary enjoyment i get from pop songs, i consider that industry to be caustic and largely at odds with my own (i guess you could say) moral views on creating and sharing art.

i don't really owe you that information but i feel like you're being a ****ing turd, so, you know, whatever. i hope you get as much satisfaction or more from music as i do, and hopefully more than whatever you gain by winning an internet argument against me on a keyboard enthusiast forum. i know i am abrasive on this forum, because it's fun to troll people, and i feel pretty strongly about a lot of things, but this subject goes far beyond pretty much any of that in terms of what i consider important in my own life.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #90 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 08:52:02 »
Music is subjective in the fact that we simply "like what we like".  I can rate a performer as displaying an amazing level of technical skill, muscianship, etc; but still not like the music.  I can also hear a relatively simple song performed in a such a way that it almost makes me cry (iMav, obviously, never cries).  ;)

I can appreciate a performance, even if I don't care for the genre. 

There ARE no absolutes in music.  I've been dabbling in music for over 30 years.  At one time, I desired to make a career out of it (I was a music performance major for a time in college)...but I was way too immature at the time to follow through.  Now I dabble with my kids, in my church band, and simply for the fun and enjoyment of it.

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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 09:23:53 »

Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.

No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better. 

this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.

Yeah you keep thinking that kid. At least his opinion is one that I will respect because he's a musician himself and at least understands what I mean. You're talking to someone who's spent the last 16 years studying jazz, classical and rock music by the way.

that's really cool man! i love jazz. i don't know nearly enough about classical music but i have immense respect for those who do and it is an extremely interesting genre of music to me from a theory standpoint, both compositionally and sonically.

and for the record, i've been playing music for about fourteen years -- almost as long as you; though if i were to tell you the genres that i generally focus on you would probably have something negative to say about it. you might also have something negative to say about the fact that i am almost entirely self-taught, which i take great pride in, or that i place very little importance (personally speaking of course) on capitalizing upon music and art -- that is to say, i work a job to afford myself the opportunity to play and learn about music in nearly all of my spare time. the fact that you might has little to no bearing on my life, and i take no offense by it. i gain more from music than anything else in my life, and i consider it the single most important aspect of my being and my ability to express myself and ideas that i have. it's very personal for me and i am very familiar with what constitutes the music industry. outside of the enjoyment i get from pop music i have very little patience for those who concern themselves with the music industry at large; outside of fleeting and unnecessary enjoyment i get from pop songs, i consider that industry to be caustic and largely at odds with my own (i guess you could say) moral views on creating and sharing art.

i don't really owe you that information but i feel like you're being a ****ing turd, so, you know, whatever. i hope you get as much satisfaction or more from music as i do, and hopefully more than whatever you gain by winning an internet argument against me on a keyboard enthusiast forum. i know i am abrasive on this forum, because it's fun to troll people, and i feel pretty strongly about a lot of things, but this subject goes far beyond pretty much any of that in terms of what i consider important in my own life.

I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here.

To make myself clear, I do not care about what anyone listens to. Anyone is free to listen to whatever they want, and I don't ever judge people by what they listen to. If it makes them happy, then that's good enough. That's the most important thing.

As a serious musician, I listen to everything. Pop, rock, jazz, classical, funk, metal, hip hop, trance, whatever. It's part of my job to be up to date with everything that's going on. And any serious musician worth his/her salt should be open to any genre of music, regardless if they like it or not. There's something to like in every genre of music, it's that simple.

You being self taught is a good thing. If I were you, I would never take any lessons, or be careful from who you take lessons from. I know way too many guitar players that know so much musical theory that they can't even write a song anymore. But put some sheet music in front of them and they can play it perfectly, which is why they end up being studio musicians and nothing else. And that's cool.

But that's not what we're talking about. We were talking about the quality of music in general. We're saying that just because a band sells millions of copies, doesn't make them talented. There are a lot of people devoid of talent in the industry making millions, either because they're force fed to people through radio and marketing - not because of sheer talent. Does it make people happy? Yes. Does that make the music high quality? Not really. You have to realize that most of these songs aren't even written by the artists themselves. They go into a studio with like 3 writers and 2 producers. The objective - to make as much money from a song as you possibly can.

Why do you think all these artists are all tag teaming now? Bla bla feat. bla bla. Because one name doesn't sell well enough, so bring in another big name so they can sell even more. Did any of the big bands such as Sabbath, Queen, Zeppelin, Doors, Floyd, etc do this? No. Because they were confident in their vision and song writing skills. The industry has changed so much since then. Now it's more geared towards making a quick dollar then tossing the artist aside - the days of waiting for a band to evolve and improve over time are long gone.

End rant. That too was more information than you deserved, because I think you're a ****ing turd as well. And not just in this thread. Your way of trolling isn't new, or funny, or offensive, or interesting. It's just boring.

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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 09:48:48 »
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 09:59:58 »

Absolutely! I agree with you. Performance is a definitive part of musicianship as well as skill, knowledge and artistic sensitivity. And of course you are entitled to your own opinion and I'm not putting you down for it (at least that's not my intention). In case I wasn't clear, artistic sensitivity IS opinion. I'm just arguing that one cannot say "No. It's opinion. Period" to define musicianship because that is simply not true and I will defend that to my grave.

You're free to have your opinion. As am I. Feel free to defend whatever you seem necessary. I stand by what I said.

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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 14:42:57 »
I feel like things are smoothing out a bit in here now. This is good. I got a little heated there for a while but hey, sometimes you feel so strongly about something that you must defend your views. My dream was to work in the music industry. I went out and learned all about it and paid a lot of money (a LOT of money) to have the opportunity to learn from the people who taught me and to use the equipment I used. I found out the hard way that it was not a wise career path for me. And trust me, that broke my heart. The state of the music industry today quite honestly made me sick and today's popular music serves as a constant reminder of why I decided to get out. Well it's one of the reasons. It's nearly impossible to sustain yourself on little to no pay and extremely long hours while being able to afford a place in a densely populated area where the business thrives. It is extremely competitive and if you get lucky, you just may move up a rung or two assuming of course you have the financial support to get there. If you are one of those people who made it, my level of respect for you is astronomically high. I went in swinging and I came out defeated. The silver lining is the knowledge I gained and the experiences and memories I now have. You can't put a price tag on that. I'm a better musician and human being for it.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 15:50:27 »
I feel like things are smoothing out a bit in here now. This is good. I got a little heated there for a while but hey, sometimes you feel so strongly about something that you must defend your views. My dream was to work in the music industry. I went out and learned all about it and paid a lot of money (a LOT of money) to have the opportunity to learn from the people who taught me and to use the equipment I used. I found out the hard way that it was not a wise career path for me. And trust me, that broke my heart. The state of the music industry today quite honestly made me sick and today's popular music serves as a constant reminder of why I decided to get out. Well it's one of the reasons. It's nearly impossible to sustain yourself on little to no pay and extremely long hours while being able to afford a place in a densely populated area where the business thrives. It is extremely competitive and if you get lucky, you just may move up a rung or two assuming of course you have the financial support to get there. If you are one of those people who made it, my level of respect for you is astronomically high. I went in swinging and I came out defeated. The silver lining is the knowledge I gained and the experiences and memories I now have. You can't put a price tag on that. I'm a better musician and human being for it.

This. A thousand times this. The music business is anything but a business. Generally speaking there's a complete and total lack of professionalism in the entire industry. It's filled with hustlers and slimeballs, sharks and idiots. and is designed entirely to screw the artist. I make my living with programming now, and occasionally work with artists on the side. Much better that way when there's no pressure to land a gig just so you can feed your kids.

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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 04 October 2013, 16:08:08 »
Completely agree with the above two posts. The music business is hard. It's unforgiving. And until you make a name for yourself, they will just use you and spit you out. I can't even remember the amount of sessions I did where I got totally screwed. I've had gear stolen, gear damaged, all sorts of stuff. And at the end of the day, you risk not even getting paid. It was only when I got an entertainment lawyer did things smooth out a bit, but it was still a lot of hard work. I'm now at the point where I make my living from studio sessions, but because the business is so unreliable I also have a part time job as a project manager.

For some reason, all the negatives seem to go away when you get up onstage and play your heart out. It's the best feeling in the world. Overall I like the studio though, there is so much to learn, and the amount of knowledge some of these guys have are amazing. I'm 33 so I'm still pretty young, and try to take in as much as I can. I guess I was fortunate in the sense that I am not, and choose not, to get married or have kids. That lifts the burden by quite a lot, and you are more open to try things and fail at them without too much of a risk.

My respect goes out to all those big bands who still tour, and don't even need the money. Metallica still does like 100 shows per year, and at their age, that's pretty tough. Sure they have a jet and all that jazz, and a massive crew, but it's still hard being on the road and away from everything. I went on a European tour for 3 weeks and it almost broke me. Nothing like 4 dudes travelling inside of a crap van for the entire time, packed in with all your gear, trying to sleep in the back. It's really, really tough. But the experience really is like nothing else.
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Re: WORST MUSICIAN/BAND
« Reply #97 on: Sat, 12 October 2013, 14:53:30 »
There ARE no absolutes in music.

(I'm picking just one comment, but there are quite a few similar ones.)

That's the problem. What is music in the first place? I've seen several definitions, each of them completely different. One of them being that "music is socially defined", which basically translates to "music is whatever majority of people considers to be music". The kind of relativism that drives the western society nowadays...

At the same time, there's a recipe to make a hit. Just like in case of movies (Hollywood/Bollywood) or slushy romance...

One example of this disgusting pile of manure: Eva a Vašek


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