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Offline jayray999

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Need advice: What to look for when buying a model M
« on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 16:49:39 »
Someone's offering me a "new in box" Model M (1993, Made in USA) for $35.

1. Is it a good deal?

2. What should I look for on the label?

3. Anything I should check on the keyboard itself?
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
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Offline wheel83

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 16:57:49 »
my favorite place to get a great condition model m is a seller on ebay.  

his model m's say "refurbished".  they have all worked absolutely perfect and have been spotless.

if this is indeed new in box.  you should buy it and find out if you like it.  the numbers dont matter if its a model m and you like it (which you should...)
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Offline ozar

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:06:46 »
Check this Model M Buyer's Guide, too:

http://www.clickykeyboard.com/buyersguide.htm

Offline jayray999

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:07:44 »
Well I do love the Model M but I 've heard its capacitors can dry out over time and some vintages are better than others. ;-)
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:08:53 »
Quote from: ozar;27532
Check this Model M Buyer's Guide, too:

http://www.clickykeyboard.com/buyersguide.htm
Thanks. Exactly what I was looking for.
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

Offline MANISH7

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:08:54 »
1. Yes it is a good deal but this is a good week to be greedy. Check the ebay finds section.

2. Personally, I notice very little difference in the key action amongst the various Model Ms. Some believe that the keyboards manufactured by IBM (particularly 1991 or earlier) are better than the subsequent models by Lexmark because the former have detachable cables and denser plastic. The Blue Labels (blue IBM logo) have drainage holes which can actually be useful if you're concerned about spilling drinks near your keyboard. Others like me find them ugly and unnecessary. Keyboard snobs will say IBM > Lexmark brand, White Label > Blue Label. If it is an IBM manufactured keyboard the label will say only IBM and not Lexmark or Unicomp.

Part #1391401 is what most people refer to when they refer to "IBM Model M". Since yours is from 1993, I bet its something else (just check Wiki). Amongst those labels, I doubt there is much difference in plastic density or design.

3. Label should cover it. I'm also overboard and like to the original tape seal of the keyboard inside the foam to make sure it is new. I don't know if you need to do that.

When you factor in ordering a cable and paying a high shipping fee, you'd probably end up spending $80 for a white label 1991 Model M on ebay. On an absolute scale or for keyboard snobs, that's a pretty good deal when considering they can go for $200+ at clickykeyboards. At the same time, in comparison to your $35 deal, it's not that hot. Personally, if you care only about functionality, there's little difference between what you are ordering and the ebay stuff.

Offline Etinin

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:14:36 »
A NIB for $35 is a very good deal.
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Offline jayray999

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:19:01 »
@Etinin. Thanks.

I just looked at the Wikipedia entry. Useful for verifying part numbers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_Keyboard
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

Offline jayray999

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:49:53 »
Ok, the guy selling to me has no cable. Is that bad?
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

Offline ozar

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:54:07 »
You can usually find replacement cables at clickyboards.com or pckeyboards.com

The original cable is always better if you can get it and it's in good condition.

Offline Etinin

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:57:23 »
Unicomp sells spare cables. These should as good as new.
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/cabdetmin.html
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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 09:50:26 »
If it's got no cable, good. That means it's a 1391401 with drainage holes (1993 after all,) my favorite variant of the classic M.

Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 10:15:45 »
sounds like a decent deal. and dont forget, you can always wear the M as body armor in a pinch.

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Offline jayray999

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 10:34:40 »
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If it's got no cable, good. That means it's a 1391401 with drainage holes (1993 after all,) my favorite variant of the classic M.
It seems to be part # 1397599.
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 11:04:49 »
Weird, not sure what's different about that one.

Does it say it was made by IBM, or manufactured for IBM by Lexmark?

Offline MANISH7

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 12:16:50 »
Quote from: bhtooefr;27627
If it's got no cable, good. That means it's a 1391401 with drainage holes (1993 after all,) my favorite variant of the classic M.


Out of curiosity - why is this your favorite variant? I like the color of blue instead of boring black on the logo. Drainage holes also seem well done (not cheap) and can of course be useful for some. This variant also seems just as solid and well built as my 1980s white label.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 12:41:38 »
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I myself like the style of the black logo better (although the aluminum ones rule).


I second this.


Offline jayray999

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 13:16:47 »
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Weird, not sure what's different about that one.

Does it say it was made by IBM, or manufactured for IBM by Lexmark?
Haven't seen it yet but judging by the Wikipedia entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_Keyboard it is one of the last IBMs.
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 13:46:25 »
There actually are Lexmark-assembled 1391401s, FWIW.

But, I prefer the feel of my 1993 1391401 to my 1993... whatever the part number is (52G9658?) Lexmark board. Which is why the Lexmark is for parts. (Well, that and the fact that the cable that came on it was bad.)

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 17:55:52 »
For some time back in the day, most IBM keyboards were sent with system units [computers]; they weren't marketed as products in their own right until the mid-nineties ["Options by IBM"] though of course if you knew the numbers they could be ordered as spares/replacements.

As is mentioned in announcement letters, the keyboard cable was often packaged with system literature (Guide to Operations, Reference Diskette, etc. ), with the keyboard in its own box.  Presumably this was more convenient in some way, I don't really know.  Anyway...

That is why sellers "never" "include" a cable with [insert the current buzzword for making people pay more for something old] IBM keyboards.

Here's a clickykeyboards example of a 1397599.  $35 seems quite reasonable to me.
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 21:54:26 »
nice info.  I didn't know that.

P.S.  You have A LOT of boards...
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